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As America
entered the 1980s and '90s,
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popular culture was as inundated
with violence and death
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as it had ever been.
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But now, the advent
of 24-hour news on cable TV
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delivered an endless cycle
of these disturbing stories.
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They call it the work
of the Green River Killer,
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probably one man who has
murdered 13 young women
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near Seattle, case unsolved.
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Coverage of violent
crime was sensationalized
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and seemed to suggest peril
around every corner,
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while new terrors emerged
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as a mysterious disease
was introduced,
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adding yet another layer
of worry and dread.
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Manicured suburbs were filled
with anxious teenagers
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and their stressed-out parents.
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There seemed to be
no safe place to hide.
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Motive-less, random killings,
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sometimes thousands
of miles apart.
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A Justice Department
investigator calls it
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"terrifying, an epidemic."
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They're known as serial killers,
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and according to
law enforcement officials,
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there are at least 35 of them
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roaming the country now,
stalking victims.
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Teenagers processed
the onslaught of news
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as kids will do --
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feeling vulnerable, alone,
and insecure about everything--
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from their place in the world
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to their awakening
sexual feelings.
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Audiences were subjected
to a seemingly endless cycle
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of exploitative news,
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presenting threats
from every angle,
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suggesting a dangerous world
for new modern terrors.
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The horror genre became
dominated by slasher films
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where sexualized teenagers
were killed
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by merciless, inhuman monsters
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punishing them
for their transgressions
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and while neither they,
their helpless parents,
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nor the police were able
to protect them
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from these seemingly
unstoppable monsters.
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I was a teen in a small town.
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I had the typical
small-town upbringing,
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and so the things that scared me
were the idea
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that someone could break
into your house
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and get you when you're asleep.
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I was scared of the dark.
I was scared --
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I always thought
someone was under the bed.
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I thought there was
someone in the closet.
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And I wasn't necessarily
scared of monsters
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and ghosts and aliens
as a child.
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I was more scared
of the serial killers.
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I grew up in the '80s,
when not only
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were serial killers
in our movies,
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like in Halloween
and Friday the 13th,
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but they were also in our world.
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You know, with Bundy and Gacy
and Dahmer
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and all of those, you know --
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serial killers became
household names back then.
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The assailant
entered a house in a quiet,
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middle-class neighborhood
in the predawn hours on Sunday
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through an unlocked window
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and attacked the couple
while they slept.
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It just terrifying to me
'cause I lived in a small town
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where we didn't lock our doors.
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And that scared me
'cause it was real.
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Stand by. Ready?
Three, take three. My cue.
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Ready, camera three.
One center up.
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Good evening.
I'm David Walker.
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And I'm Lois Hart.
Now here's the news.
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CNN started broadcasting
in the 1980s,
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and the '80s were packed
with sensational stories
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about serial killers.
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Like the trials of Ted Bundy,
John Wayne Gacy,
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the Hillside Stranglers,
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and the capture
of Henry Lee Lucas.
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They started getting
great ratings
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showing all of the murders
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that were happening
in your neighborhood.
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In New London, Connecticut,
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police say a man apparently
upset over a family problem
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went on a shooting spree
aboard an Amtrak train
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en route from Washington
to Boston.
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The brand-new network that was
suddenly in everyone's homes
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telling you what was happening,
and what they were showing you
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is that the world you live in
is unsafe
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because killers are out there.
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They're in your neighborhood.
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The serial killer next door
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had become all too real.
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In one gruesome case alone,
26 victims' bodies
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were carried out of
John Wayne Gacy's home in 1978.
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In all,
Gacy had sexually assaulted
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and murdered 33 young men
and boys
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over a six-year period.
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And as always, the horror genre
reflected real-life fears
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as filmmakers incorporated
this national obsession
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with psychotic killers
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by perfecting
the modern slasher movie --
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90 minutes of teenagers
being chased by a relentless,
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enraged, usually masked killer.
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The stalker classicHalloween
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and films like Friday The 13th
and Nightmare on Elm Street
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sent teens flocking
to the movies
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and launched horror franchises
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that dominated the multiplexes
throughout the '80s.
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And that's kind of what '80s
horror movies were all about.
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They personified evil
with this omniscient force
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that could not be
fucking stopped.
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You can throw bullets
at these fuckers, man,
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throw them off roofs and shit.
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Like, they can't be stopped.
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Like death, they're relentless.
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So, you know,
it was a wonderful metaphor
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for a young Catholic kid
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who was already fucking obsessed
with death
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that like, you know, even --
I didn't need CliffsNotes
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to understand, like,
oh, we all die eventually.
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With the advent
of cable television
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and the emergence
of video stores,
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viewers could channel surf
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between real monsters
and imaginary killers.
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The first horror movie
I ever saw
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was Friday the 13th.
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And for whatever reason,
I was left alone
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in front of the television
when I was too young.
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I was eight or nine years old.
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And it was definitely
one of the worst,
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scariest nights of my life,
and I didn't see a horror movie
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for about two or three years
after that.
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But it had a great effect on me
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and clearly informed me
in later years.
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I had been working
on a couple children's shows,
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and they got put on hold.
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I came up with the title
Friday the 13th,
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and I took out
a big ad in Varietysaying,
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"The most terrifying film
ever made.
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Friday the 13th,coming soon."
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And I didn't have anything.
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I got a bunch of distributors
and countries
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where they wanted
a piece of something
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called Friday the 13th.
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When we first came up
with this notion
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of Friday the 13th,
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it was like all these
strange little deaths.
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Who was gonna go next,
and who's gonna survive?
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So when we were trying
to figure out an ending,
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and there were -- --
this took some doing.
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I decided that the killer
was gonna be Jason's mother.
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Betsy Palmer has a public image
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of being the nicest person
in the world.
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So I thought that
we could get
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at least a few moments
of people relaxing.
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"Oh, Betsy Palmer's here.
We know she's nice."
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Did you know that
a young boy drowned
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the year before
those two others were killed?
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The counselors weren't
paying any attention.
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They were making love
while that young boy drowned.
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His name was Jason.
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You wouldn't question
that a mother would,
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you know, seek revenge
for the death of her kid.
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So the first movie is
definitely horrific,
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but, like, it also had
this fucking great twist
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where it's like,
oh, this lady is the killer?
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That's kind of crazy.
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And then the very next movie,
suddenly a star is born.
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But they found a way to make
Friday the 13thcontinue
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by being like,
"Oh, never mind the killer mom.
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The boy -- he lived.
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He's the fucking bad guy
from now on.
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And we're gonna put
a fucking bag on his head!"
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Not real great marketing.
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But then they got
to the third movie,
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put a fucking hockey mask
on him,
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and that changed everything.
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Aaah!
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Oh!
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You see that on a little icon,
you're like, "That's a horror."
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My first horror movie,
like, besides Gremlins,
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was Friday the 13th Part III
in 3D.
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And it was coming out
in the movie theaters,
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and I wanted to see it
more than anything.
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Friday the 13th
Part 3 in 3D.
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- Aah!
- A new dimension in terror.
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I begged my parents.
I begged and begged and begged.
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And they were like, "No, no, no.
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Under no circumstances
can you see that movie.
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You're too young.
You'll have nightmares forever."
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Because these are
Jason's woods.
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And nobody leaves them alive.
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So they were going away on a ski
weekend with their friends.
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And they had
my babysitter, Jill,
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who lived across the street,
stay with me.
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And I remember very vividly
them, like, giving Jill
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the rundown of, like,
"Here are the rules.
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Here's the food and some extra
money" and yada, yada, yada.
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And they were like,
"One last thing.
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She's gonna try to get you
to take her
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to see Friday the 13th."
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In 3D.
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"Under no circumstances --
and I mean nocircumstances --
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is she allowed
to see that movie."
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And Jill's like,
"Okay, like, how hard is it
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to not take a kid to a movie?"
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Like, pretty easy.
We have a super-fun night,
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watch TV, have popcorn,
listen to Madonna.
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We go upstairs and go to bed,
and I hear talking downstairs.
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And I snuck downstairs,
and I see Jill on the couch
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wearing my mom's nightgown
with her boyfriend
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underneath the quilt
that my grandmother made!
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And I was like, "Oh, we're gonna
go see that movie."
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And the next day I said to Jill,
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"I'm gonna tell your parents
and my parents
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if you don't take me to see
Friday the 13thin 3D
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in the movie theater."
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And she was like...
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So, sure enough,
Saturday matinee.
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It was the scariest --
Am I allowed to swear?
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The scariest fucking thing
to this day
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I have ever, ever seen
in my life.
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I won't go see 3-D movies
at all now,
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at all, because of it.
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It was so fucking scary.
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My parents were 110% right.
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I should never have seen
that movie.
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I mean, still to this day,
I have nightmares.
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But I never told my parents
why I was having nightmares.
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Fucking hockey mask, man.
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I swear I felt like I was born
to play that character.
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It felt so natural,
even from the beginning.
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Villains are so scary
behind a mask.
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It has to be the unknown.
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I mean, that has to be
a factor to it,
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that you're looking at someone,
you don't really know
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what they really look like.
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And not that you'd
necessarily want to,
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but just that mystery of,
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"Who could possibly be
behind that mask?"
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and the expressionless-ness
of it,
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whether it's Michael Myers
or Jason,
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it never changes.
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So it's just a scary,
unknown entity,
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I think, is what makes it
so terrifying.
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The truth is,
Friday the 13thstarted out
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with a reality-based killer,
more or less.
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You know, it has turned
into this sort of iconic story
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about this abused kid, Jason.
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And I think that inside
of that story is something
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that's so irresistible
to a lot of people.
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It's like Revenge of the Nerds
on steroids, you know,
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and you get to kick ass
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all these people
that are bugging you.
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And I think
it is very dependable.
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If you're gonna go see
a Friday the 13thmovie,
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you know at this point
what you're gonna get.
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And we always try to deliver
on that, and then a little more.
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Probably the biggest thing
about Jason
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that the audience fears
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is the unstoppable nature
of the character.
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No matter what you do to stop
that guy from coming after you,
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it doesn't work.
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You light the guy on fire,
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you blow him up,
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you stab him,
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you hack him with an ax...
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...he still keeps coming.
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After Friday the 13th,
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it looked like
these little movies,
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you know,
relatively low-budget movies
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that featured a lot of blood
and special effects
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were going to be successful.
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The success
of this new wave of genre films
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attracted
exciting young filmmakers
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and inspired them to make horror
films infused with fresh ideas,
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creative storytelling,
innovative cinematography
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and spit-and-glue
special effects
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to get the biggest bang
for their buck.
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The only reason we ever got
into horror in the first place
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for my first film, Evil Dead--
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we were terrified of losing
the investors' money.
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And we knew that horror films
was a staple that was out there.
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You could get them
into drive-ins.
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You didn't have to
get in fancy theaters.
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You could use no-name actors
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wearing regular clothes,
driving regular cars.
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Nothing had to be that fancy.
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Why have you
disturbed our sleep,
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awakened us
from our ancient slumber?
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Sam I met in eighth grade.
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I was walking down the hallway,
West Maple Junior High School.
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He's sitting in the middle
of the hallway
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dressed like Sherlock Holmes,
playing with dolls.
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I was like, "Oh, man.
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I'm going around that guy."
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I mean, he really left
an indelible mark.
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I'm like, "People don't do that.
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They don't dress like
Sherlock Holmes."
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And he claimed later
he was making a movie.
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I'm like,
"I didn't see a camera.
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I didn't see it anywhere.
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I think you were just being
a little whack job."
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Oh, God. Look at this.
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Sam Raimi took a class
and read about the Necronomicon.
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It was like
the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
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And he thought,
"Hey, that's cool.
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Like, that's just this weird
book that has conjurings,
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and once you conjure them,
like, what happens?
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I don't know."
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So that was really
intriguing to him.
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And so I think
he brought that up
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when we decided
to make a horror movie.
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This guy was a real turd,
you know.
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Everybody hated him.
Everybody.
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Like you, kinda.
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Released in 1981,
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The Evil Deadis the story
of a group of friends
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that unleash an ancient curse
conjured from a Sumerian text.
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The film did what horror
does best --
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created a meta world
with layers of subtext.
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You never see the villain.
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The evil spirit possesses
these kids one by one.
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As one critic put it,
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"The monster is
the camera itself
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and whoever is behind it."
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In other words, the viewer
is part of the scene,
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whether they want to be or not.
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You hear an incantation.
Something comes up.
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It possesses you, you know,
and has malevolent intent.
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So you open--
you opened the wrong book, man.
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And so I think Sam kind of
ran with it from there.
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And Evil Deadcame along.
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Evil Deadis the most
simplistic plot ever,
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and it's one that we see
to come over and over --
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group of kids go to a cabin,
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they find
some fucked-up shit there,
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and then the movie
just keeps going.
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But what Evil Deaddid
is at a time period
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where if you were going
to a cabin,
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you were going to encounter
a maniacal redneck killer.
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Instead, the entire house
is demonic.
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Everything is cursed around it.
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And just by being there,
you're getting the curse, too.
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Our special effects
were very crude.
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Tom Sullivan's like,
"I know how to make these
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special, cool molds.
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We'll make a mold
of the actor's face,
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and then you can sculpt it
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00:18:06,172 --> 00:18:08,739
and then put an appliance
on their face."
348
00:18:08,783 --> 00:18:12,047
Right?
So we'll use plaster of Paris.
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Well, anyone who's used
plaster of Paris knows
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it heats up and as it dries.
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Well, okay, so we put
a light coating of Vaseline
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on Betsy Baker's face.
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She was the first guinea pig.
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This thing starts to heat up.
She's like, "How much longer?"
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So finally like five minutes
later, we go,
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"Okay, Betsy, no problem, we're
gonna get you out of that."
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So all you have to do
is lean forward, right?
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'Cause the weight of it,
of the plaster of Paris,
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will pull it off your face.
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00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:40,728
So it did -- went right off
her face, right into her hand.
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She looks into the mask,
and all of her eyelashes
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were in the mold.
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It pulled all of her eyelashes
off of her face.
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And she said, in the most
kind of remarkable way --
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she was like more fascinated --
she goes,
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"Those are all my eyelashes."
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We're like,
"Yeah, Betsy. Sorry."
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And that was just the beginning.
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And then when it finally
did come out,
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we started to get some
pretty bad reviews.
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A paper in Atlanta called it
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Evil Dead:
The Sickest of the Sick.
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Sam Raimi took every bad idea
he's ever had..."
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00:19:23,727 --> 00:19:26,034
Ever had.
He only made one movie.
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"...and put it into
a low-budget blender."
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00:19:29,255 --> 00:19:32,345
I'm like, "What a dick.
What a dickish thing to say."
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00:19:32,388 --> 00:19:34,521
But this new kind
of filmmaking,
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one that threw in everything
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audiences come to love
about horror films --
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the campy special effects,
ham-fisted dialogue,
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and handsome action hero --
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impressed the one guy
that mattered.
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Enter Stephen King.
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He sees it
at the Cannes Film Festival.
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It's a horror movie.
Let's go see it.
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00:19:52,669 --> 00:19:56,630
And he writes an article
in Twilight Zone Magazine
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00:19:56,673 --> 00:19:59,154
and calls it
"the most ferociously original
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horror film of the year."
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We spit our coffee.
We're like, "Wait a second.
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00:20:03,506 --> 00:20:04,899
Stephen King said that?"
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00:20:04,942 --> 00:20:06,857
And I don't even know
how we tracked him down.
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00:20:06,901 --> 00:20:10,252
But, "Sir, could we please --
please, can we use that quote?"
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00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:12,080
He goes, "Yeah."
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00:20:12,123 --> 00:20:13,777
We were like, "Oh, my God."
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00:20:13,821 --> 00:20:16,258
So that's on the poster
to this day.
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00:20:16,302 --> 00:20:19,261
Stephen King --
I mean, what an endorsement.
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00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,350
Evil Deadwas banned
in most countries
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00:20:21,394 --> 00:20:22,786
and slashed by censors.
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00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:25,180
It was also on
the video nasties list.
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00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:28,314
Sam Raimi made Evil Dead
as this homespun,
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00:20:28,357 --> 00:20:30,881
guttural exploitation film,
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00:20:30,925 --> 00:20:32,535
and it's really freaking scary.
403
00:20:32,579 --> 00:20:35,234
We forget about how scary
the original Evil Deadis
404
00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:37,453
in light of Evil Dead II
and Army of Darkness
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00:20:37,497 --> 00:20:38,802
and everything to come.
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00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:41,675
But that first film
was horrifying.
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00:20:41,718 --> 00:20:43,285
It's violent.
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00:20:43,329 --> 00:20:46,201
The decision to make
a completely carnage-filled
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00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:50,510
horror movie was also
a business decision of like,
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00:20:50,553 --> 00:20:51,902
"We don't want to get lost
in the shuffle.
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00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:54,165
We have to --
This has to be, like,
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00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:56,037
something people
remember when they watch it."
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00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,170
Aaah!
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00:21:06,352 --> 00:21:08,092
The Evil Dead was a hit.
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00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:10,007
Audiences ate it up,
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00:21:10,051 --> 00:21:13,924
and Sam Raimi had a franchise
on his hands.
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00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:15,883
My theory is that horror works.
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00:21:15,926 --> 00:21:18,625
It's one of the few genres
that can get
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00:21:18,668 --> 00:21:21,932
an audience to react viscerally.
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00:21:21,976 --> 00:21:24,195
You know, after we put
the first Evil Deadout,
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00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:28,330
we would sit in movie theaters
to watch it play with audiences.
422
00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:29,984
And we didn't care about
the movie after a while.
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00:21:30,027 --> 00:21:32,203
It was, we just watched
the audience.
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00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:35,772
You'd see a couple, they got
a jacket over their head,
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00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:36,991
and they're screening the movie
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00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:39,036
through their sleeve
of the jacket,
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00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,039
'cause they only want to see
parts of the screen.
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00:21:42,083 --> 00:21:45,129
They love that feeling
that they got of like,
429
00:21:45,173 --> 00:21:47,697
"I'm dead. I'm gonna be dead."
430
00:21:47,741 --> 00:21:50,004
And then after the movie,
"I'm not dead."
431
00:21:50,047 --> 00:21:54,051
It's probably very cathartic,
why horror works.
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00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,887
As if teenagers didn't
already have enough to fear
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00:22:03,931 --> 00:22:05,628
in their waking hours,
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00:22:05,672 --> 00:22:07,326
Wes Craven came up
with something
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00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:11,373
even more terrifying
to torture their subconscious.
436
00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:12,243
We think of
Nightmare on Elm Street
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00:22:12,287 --> 00:22:13,897
as being mainstream now,
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00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:16,596
but it was a bit alternative
back in the day.
439
00:22:20,948 --> 00:22:24,517
I think the original fans
were dorm rats
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00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,910
passing around
the same old video
441
00:22:26,954 --> 00:22:28,390
and heavy-metal kids
442
00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:29,913
and then their brothers
and sisters
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00:22:29,957 --> 00:22:31,828
or their younger brothers
and sisters,
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00:22:31,872 --> 00:22:33,352
and then, you know,
it just began
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00:22:33,395 --> 00:22:36,006
to permeate the entire culture.
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00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:39,096
The idea for
A Nightmare on Elm Street
447
00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:42,012
came to Wes Craven
after he read stories
448
00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:44,972
about healthy young adults
screaming incoherently
449
00:22:45,015 --> 00:22:48,541
before dying in their sleep,
a mysterious disorder
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00:22:48,584 --> 00:22:53,154
that came to be known
as Nocturnal Death Syndrome.
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00:22:53,197 --> 00:22:56,070
Craven conjured up
the story of a villain
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00:22:56,113 --> 00:22:58,507
that terrorizes you
in your sleep.
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00:22:58,551 --> 00:23:01,989
And if you die in your dream,
you're done for.
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00:23:02,032 --> 00:23:03,991
While writing the script,
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00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:07,951
Craven named the nightmare
killer after a childhood bully,
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00:23:07,995 --> 00:23:09,431
Fred Krueger.
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00:23:09,475 --> 00:23:11,433
Nightmare on Elm Street
started on a Friday.
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00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:17,134
And I couldn't get anyone
to go see it with me,
459
00:23:17,178 --> 00:23:19,136
'cause I wanted to see it,
like, at noon
460
00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:20,399
and nobody would go
and see it with me.
461
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:22,096
So I had to go see it by myself.
462
00:23:22,139 --> 00:23:23,358
And, of course,
who's in the theater at noon?
463
00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:25,055
Nobody. Me. Just me.
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00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:26,709
So I'm sitting
in the theater by myself,
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00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:28,668
and I'm in Greenville,
North Carolina.
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00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:34,021
And I start watching
this movie,
467
00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:35,849
and I get so scared...
468
00:23:35,892 --> 00:23:37,067
Shit.
469
00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:38,286
...and I get a cramp
in my leg.
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00:23:38,329 --> 00:23:39,548
I had to walk up and down
the aisle
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00:23:39,592 --> 00:23:40,941
'cause I wouldn't
leave the theater.
472
00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:42,508
I had to see
what was gonna happen.
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00:23:46,512 --> 00:23:49,036
And I changed seats
and I moved closer to the exit.
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00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,431
And, I mean, I was terrified.
That movie really scared me.
475
00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:54,868
It actually scared me
the first three times I saw it.
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00:23:54,911 --> 00:23:56,522
I had to go back
and see it again,
477
00:23:56,565 --> 00:23:59,307
and it scared me almost more so
than the first time
478
00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:00,656
because I knew
what was gonna happen,
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00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:02,919
so I was scared
before it happened.
480
00:24:02,963 --> 00:24:04,878
That movie was awesome.
481
00:24:04,921 --> 00:24:08,664
Nightmare on Elm Street
is about a serial killer,
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00:24:08,708 --> 00:24:12,973
Freddy Krueger, who haunts you
in your dreams, you know?
483
00:24:13,016 --> 00:24:17,020
And he is -- he's taken revenge
on the children of Elm Street
484
00:24:17,064 --> 00:24:18,369
for something
that their parents did.
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00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:20,023
And he comes to them
in their dreams,
486
00:24:20,067 --> 00:24:22,112
and if you die in your dreams,
you die for real.
487
00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:23,287
Dreams are a safe place.
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00:24:23,331 --> 00:24:24,854
Dreams are where
fun things happen.
489
00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:27,770
Dreams are where you wake up
and it's over.
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00:24:27,814 --> 00:24:30,469
And the idea that
whatever taunts you
491
00:24:30,512 --> 00:24:33,167
and stalks you in your dreams
can come to reality,
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00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:35,474
or if you die in your dreams,
you die for good --
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00:24:35,517 --> 00:24:37,737
I mean, that's beyond
your control. That's terrifying.
494
00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:46,528
As a horror theme
and as a trap,
495
00:24:46,572 --> 00:24:50,184
the nightmares -- the dream,
the bad dream, the gimmick --
496
00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:51,881
it's universal.
497
00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:56,364
To have also it inhabited
498
00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:59,976
by this man
that lives in that world...
499
00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:06,548
this boogieman
that inhabits the dream,
500
00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:07,854
once you've heard of him,
you know,
501
00:25:07,897 --> 00:25:09,246
he can get to
your subconscious...
502
00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:10,900
Who are you?
503
00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:13,773
...and take you down,
down the stairs
504
00:25:13,816 --> 00:25:16,253
into the nightmare
boiler room.
505
00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:21,302
That movie had
such a deep impact on me.
506
00:25:26,089 --> 00:25:27,569
Took place in the suburbs.
507
00:25:27,613 --> 00:25:30,311
I grew up in the suburbs,
newly integrated suburbs.
508
00:25:30,354 --> 00:25:33,009
So there was sort of a feeling
of unease.
509
00:25:33,053 --> 00:25:35,055
You didn't know how
your neighbors felt about you.
510
00:25:35,098 --> 00:25:36,578
You didn't know
what would pop off.
511
00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:38,537
We had people throwing tomatoes
against our house
512
00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:40,147
and all kinds of stuff.
513
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,715
So the suburban horror feel
had me from hello.
514
00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:45,021
Wes wanted that.
515
00:25:45,065 --> 00:25:48,982
He wanted this sort of
damaged suburbia.
516
00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:53,116
And he was making the adults
in these movies
517
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,423
vulnerable and flawed.
518
00:25:56,424 --> 00:26:00,559
That meant the kids were sort of
without adults for advice.
519
00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:03,779
It really dealt with the sins
of our fathers.
520
00:26:03,823 --> 00:26:05,215
I mean, these children
were pretty innocent.
521
00:26:05,259 --> 00:26:06,608
It was what their parents did
522
00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,088
that they were
being punished for.
523
00:26:08,131 --> 00:26:09,306
It was out of their control.
524
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:10,873
This man was coming for them
525
00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:12,614
because of something
their parents did.
526
00:26:12,658 --> 00:26:14,398
So that sort of
"sins of our father" theme
527
00:26:14,442 --> 00:26:17,314
that ran through that movie,
I thought was really scary.
528
00:26:17,358 --> 00:26:20,579
There's something about the way
Freddy moves
529
00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:24,017
that's animal-like,
that's cat-like,
530
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,410
that's even reptilian at times.
531
00:26:26,454 --> 00:26:28,499
And I think that
that's what I bring
532
00:26:28,543 --> 00:26:32,242
to sort of Freddy's
scare factor.
533
00:26:32,286 --> 00:26:36,290
The claw with the knife fingers
534
00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:38,814
on the old gardening glove --
535
00:26:38,858 --> 00:26:42,818
that not only manifests great
in silhouette and shadow,
536
00:26:42,862 --> 00:26:46,300
but it's something about it
extending evil
537
00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:49,999
or amplifying the evil
that is just Freddy.
538
00:26:50,043 --> 00:26:52,480
That is the scariest thing --
those knives,
539
00:26:52,523 --> 00:26:56,397
the taunting nature
of his attacks.
540
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,270
Freddy Krueger definitely
was my scariest villain.
541
00:27:06,712 --> 00:27:09,584
The push is on
to find a cure for AIDS.
542
00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:13,066
Since June of 1981, about 1,800
cases have been reported,
543
00:27:13,109 --> 00:27:14,676
mostly in the gay community,
544
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,374
and more than 600 people
have died.
545
00:27:17,418 --> 00:27:19,899
In the early '80s,
nothing was more terrifying
546
00:27:19,942 --> 00:27:21,465
than an unidentified virus
547
00:27:21,509 --> 00:27:23,380
that could incubate
in the body for years
548
00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:26,732
and, when it struck,
was a death sentence.
549
00:27:26,775 --> 00:27:29,604
There was panic in the air
as the AIDS epidemic
550
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,738
decimated a generation
of gay men.
551
00:27:32,781 --> 00:27:35,958
During the process, many people
lost their sense of compassion
552
00:27:36,002 --> 00:27:38,744
and replaced it with homophobia.
553
00:27:38,787 --> 00:27:40,659
And AIDS generally caused
554
00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:43,749
and believed to be caused
by homosexual promiscuity.
555
00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:46,186
While doctors tried
desperately to save lives
556
00:27:46,229 --> 00:27:49,319
and scientists pieced together
how to fight it,
557
00:27:49,363 --> 00:27:52,192
the Reagan administration
ignored the crisis.
558
00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:56,239
But horror filmmakers did not.
559
00:27:56,283 --> 00:27:58,851
When I moved to
New York in the early '80s,
560
00:27:58,894 --> 00:28:01,941
AIDS did not exist
in anybody's awareness.
561
00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:09,470
And then there was this thing
called "gay cancer"
562
00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:12,560
in the Village, which just
seems arbitrary and strange.
563
00:28:12,603 --> 00:28:14,170
And then suddenly
it had a name -- AIDS.
564
00:28:14,214 --> 00:28:15,606
And then suddenly
people were dying.
565
00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:18,305
And it was
a slow-motion horror movie.
566
00:28:18,348 --> 00:28:20,568
I'd been diagnosed
with AIDS-related complex
567
00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:22,091
for two and a half years now,
568
00:28:22,135 --> 00:28:24,006
and there's absolutely no drug
I can take,
569
00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:26,095
and I'm slowly getting worse
and worse.
570
00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:28,402
That's why we're here,
to make a point.
571
00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:31,753
It took something
which was potent and magical
572
00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,276
at that point -- sexuality --
573
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,584
and mixed it with
the possibility of death.
574
00:28:36,627 --> 00:28:38,629
I was just coming into my own
as an adult
575
00:28:38,673 --> 00:28:40,980
during the AIDS crisis,
and I moved to New York,
576
00:28:41,023 --> 00:28:46,507
where The Village Voicewas
writing all of these articles
577
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:49,249
on the lack of response
the government had
578
00:28:49,292 --> 00:28:51,555
towards the AIDS crisis,
and all these people were dying.
579
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:52,992
You know, you were like,
580
00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,298
"Is being my true self
gonna kill me?"
581
00:28:55,951 --> 00:28:57,213
The political climate was such
582
00:28:57,257 --> 00:28:58,649
that they didn't even
speak of it.
583
00:28:58,693 --> 00:29:00,521
And so AIDS
was a very terrifying thing
584
00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:03,393
because there was so much
that was unknown about it.
585
00:29:03,437 --> 00:29:05,569
It is hard to explain to people
586
00:29:05,613 --> 00:29:09,225
who didn't live through
the AIDS crisis how bad it was.
587
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:11,358
AIDS is surreptitiously
spreading
588
00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:13,012
throughout our population,
589
00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:16,406
and yet we have no accurate
measure of its scope.
590
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:19,714
I've asked the Department
of Health and Human Services
591
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:20,933
to add the AIDS virus
592
00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:23,457
to the list
of contagious diseases
593
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:26,199
for which immigrants and aliens
seeking permanent residence
594
00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:29,680
in the United States
can be denied entry.
595
00:29:32,988 --> 00:29:34,642
You had people in Congress
596
00:29:34,685 --> 00:29:36,818
saying you could get AIDS
from mosquitoes,
597
00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:39,516
water fountains,
someone spitting at you.
598
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,605
You had idiots like me
believing stories
599
00:29:41,649 --> 00:29:43,303
that someone at the mall
was gonna scratch me
600
00:29:43,346 --> 00:29:44,957
with a needle and give me AIDS.
601
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,176
We were out of our minds
with panic.
602
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:50,789
Movies like The Thing
and The Fly
603
00:29:50,832 --> 00:29:54,749
acted as a release valve
for the feelings of helplessness
604
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:58,666
against a killer
no one could see.
605
00:29:58,709 --> 00:30:00,755
And you find
that vampire fiction pops up
606
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,410
and gets super popular
when there's a disease around.
607
00:30:06,413 --> 00:30:08,937
Fright Nightis
a perfect example,
608
00:30:08,981 --> 00:30:13,507
which really encapsulates
all those fears of the sexually,
609
00:30:13,550 --> 00:30:16,379
you know, dick-slinging dude
who lives next door.
610
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:21,645
Like, what's
he's spreading around?
611
00:30:21,689 --> 00:30:25,040
When I did Fright Night,
which would have been in '84,
612
00:30:25,084 --> 00:30:28,522
uh, there was just
some kind of disease
613
00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:30,393
that seemed to be affecting
a lot of gays,
614
00:30:30,437 --> 00:30:32,091
but nobody knew why.
615
00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:40,273
I was losing gay friends
that I loved.
616
00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:43,363
And I lost somebody
that I really cared about.
617
00:30:43,406 --> 00:30:45,060
But we -- it was a sickness.
618
00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:48,759
We knew it, but we didn't know
what the hell it was.
619
00:30:48,803 --> 00:30:50,196
People were starting to die.
620
00:30:50,239 --> 00:30:52,763
But the word "AIDS"
was not around.
621
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:56,680
You don't have to be
afraid of me.
622
00:30:56,724 --> 00:31:00,771
I know what it's like
being different.
623
00:31:00,815 --> 00:31:05,037
Only they won't pick on you
anymore or beat you up.
624
00:31:07,126 --> 00:31:08,344
I'll see to that.
625
00:31:10,781 --> 00:31:12,653
All you have to do
is take my hand.
626
00:31:12,696 --> 00:31:14,873
When I had Evil Ed,
627
00:31:14,916 --> 00:31:17,136
and Jerry says,
"Take my hand" --
628
00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:20,269
Jerry Dandridge, the vampire,
says, to Evil Ed, the boy,
629
00:31:20,313 --> 00:31:23,316
"Take my hand and I'll make sure
they never bother you
630
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,971
or bully you in school again,"
631
00:31:26,014 --> 00:31:27,929
and that was speaking
to every gay kid out there
632
00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:31,541
that felt different and
that couldn't come out about it.
633
00:31:38,635 --> 00:31:42,639
I put the gay overtones into it.
634
00:31:42,683 --> 00:31:45,686
Billy Cole's relationship
with Jerry Dandridge --
635
00:31:45,729 --> 00:31:48,645
he's the Guardian, the ghoul,
636
00:31:48,689 --> 00:31:50,734
the one who protects him
during the day.
637
00:31:50,778 --> 00:31:53,128
But they could be lovers.
Who knows?
638
00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:59,091
What are you --
639
00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:00,919
All that was in there
and it was meant
640
00:32:00,962 --> 00:32:03,965
to promote tolerance, you know,
641
00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:08,491
but in the day when
that was not fashionable at all.
642
00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:11,886
So, yes, that was in there,
and that was because
643
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:15,934
I was touched and I was moved
because I was losing friends.
644
00:32:15,977 --> 00:32:19,415
Horror movies
are where we talk about
645
00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:22,636
what we don't want to talk about
in day-to-day life --
646
00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:26,379
outcasts and marginalized people
who society feared.
647
00:32:26,422 --> 00:32:29,904
And I think it's a very,
very short step sideways
648
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:33,690
to get to gay men and the fear
of them during the AIDS crisis
649
00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:37,520
and how sex and death
and marginalized people
650
00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:39,435
were all linked together.
651
00:32:39,479 --> 00:32:40,741
When I came out
with Fright Night,
652
00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:41,960
it was about vampires,
653
00:32:42,003 --> 00:32:43,396
and I went around
with everybody,
654
00:32:43,439 --> 00:32:45,224
all the studios were saying
to me, "Vampires?
655
00:32:45,267 --> 00:32:46,877
Nobody wants to see vampires."
656
00:32:46,921 --> 00:32:49,532
Because nobody wants to see
vampire killers anymore,
657
00:32:49,576 --> 00:32:51,186
or vampires either.
658
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:53,884
Apparently all they want
are demented madmen
659
00:32:53,928 --> 00:32:57,105
running around in ski masks,
hacking up young virgins.
660
00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:59,455
The vampire genre
was dead and buried.
661
00:33:01,762 --> 00:33:03,546
One of the things that's
also really interesting
662
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:06,593
about vampires is they're
the monster that looks like us.
663
00:33:06,636 --> 00:33:09,422
They live amongst us undetected.
664
00:33:09,465 --> 00:33:11,206
Hello, Charlie.
665
00:33:12,251 --> 00:33:14,079
We don't know
if our neighbor is a vampire.
666
00:33:14,122 --> 00:33:15,558
I mean, they don't
go outdoors at night.
667
00:33:15,602 --> 00:33:16,820
There are no mirrors
in their house.
668
00:33:16,864 --> 00:33:18,953
They don't cast a shadow.
669
00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:25,568
There's something very funny
at the idea of that --
670
00:33:25,612 --> 00:33:29,094
of a boy,
of a teenage horror fan
671
00:33:29,137 --> 00:33:32,793
trying to convince the police,
his mother, his friends,
672
00:33:32,836 --> 00:33:35,056
that there is a vampire
living next door.
673
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:36,579
That's a funny idea.
674
00:33:36,623 --> 00:33:39,321
You hear that idea,
and you smile and giggle.
675
00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:42,150
They did kill a girl
over there.
676
00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:43,282
How late did you
stay up studying?
677
00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:45,023
Mom, I'm not sick!
678
00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:46,850
The guy did have fangs,
679
00:33:46,894 --> 00:33:48,548
and a bat did
fly over my head,
680
00:33:48,591 --> 00:33:50,550
and a second later,
he stepped out of the shadows.
681
00:33:50,593 --> 00:33:52,465
Don't you see
what that means?
682
00:33:52,508 --> 00:33:54,075
Wait, let me guess.
683
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,598
What?
684
00:33:55,642 --> 00:33:58,558
He's a vampire.
685
00:33:58,601 --> 00:33:59,863
A what?
686
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:01,561
If you look at Fright Night,
687
00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:04,999
it's Charley Brewster,
the kid next door,
688
00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:07,567
trying to stop
the bloodsucker next door.
689
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:10,222
And his girlfriend is in danger
of being seduced.
690
00:34:10,265 --> 00:34:14,269
But the real hero's journey
is Peter Vincent.
691
00:34:15,966 --> 00:34:17,881
Peter Vincent's
a great vampire killer
692
00:34:17,925 --> 00:34:21,276
because he's a ham actor
and his whole life
693
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,105
is built on
what he considers a lie.
694
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:25,802
Vampire killers?
There are no vampires.
695
00:34:25,846 --> 00:34:29,023
That's the most ridiculous thing
in the world, and then...
696
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:31,025
- Come on, let's get out of here.
- Just a minute.
697
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,809
That goes for you,
too, Ed.
698
00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:34,463
I expect we have a lot
of the same interests,
699
00:34:34,507 --> 00:34:36,813
you know, in horror movies
and the occult.
700
00:34:39,947 --> 00:34:41,514
Something wrong,
Mr. Vincent?
701
00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:44,865
Peter Vincent rises
to the occasion.
702
00:34:44,908 --> 00:34:48,303
He goes in with Charley
into the Dandridge house
703
00:34:48,347 --> 00:34:51,176
to do battle
with the most ferocious vampire
704
00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:55,528
and his ghoulish assistant,
Billy Cole.
705
00:34:55,571 --> 00:34:58,574
He finds his courage.
He's The Cowardly Lion.
706
00:34:58,618 --> 00:35:01,708
He does that
because he likes the kids.
707
00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:04,058
He likes Charley,
and he likes Amy.
708
00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:06,060
And if he doesn't help them,
709
00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,802
Jerry Dandridge is gonna
turn her into a vampire.
710
00:35:08,845 --> 00:35:12,240
A horror movie is effective
in direct proportion
711
00:35:12,284 --> 00:35:14,764
to how much you care
about the people
712
00:35:14,808 --> 00:35:17,071
whose lives are in danger.
713
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:19,378
Ah! Ah!
714
00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:21,162
Aaaah!
715
00:35:21,206 --> 00:35:23,208
No!
716
00:35:31,607 --> 00:35:35,698
In 1987, the criticism
of aggressive capitalism
717
00:35:35,742 --> 00:35:37,135
in the Oliver Stone film
Wall Street
718
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:39,180
was somewhat lost on a public
719
00:35:39,224 --> 00:35:43,010
that saw glamour and status
in the pursuit of more money
720
00:35:43,053 --> 00:35:47,580
or drugs or cars or everything,
721
00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:52,150
a culture
that celebrated excess.
722
00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:56,806
But horror films like
Poltergeistand Society
723
00:35:56,850 --> 00:35:58,852
made their own commentary
724
00:35:58,895 --> 00:36:02,290
about America's
conspicuous consumerism
725
00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:05,075
and economic inequality.
726
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,601
Just a year afterWall Street
was released,
727
00:36:08,644 --> 00:36:11,908
They Live tackled
America's existential crisis
728
00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:14,389
of averse and greed
729
00:36:14,433 --> 00:36:17,740
and the conflict between
the haves and the have nots.
730
00:36:18,524 --> 00:36:23,050
I have come here to chew
bubble gum and kick ass.
731
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:29,012
And I'm all out of bubble gum.
732
00:36:29,056 --> 00:36:32,320
My favorite two films
are The Shiningand They Live.
733
00:36:32,364 --> 00:36:34,104
Like, the first time I ever
heard of They Live
734
00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:37,238
was a friend of mine
in middle school,
735
00:36:37,282 --> 00:36:40,720
and he couldn't remember
the name of the movie.
736
00:36:40,763 --> 00:36:42,374
But he kept telling me about --
he's like,
737
00:36:42,417 --> 00:36:44,114
"There's this film
where this guy,
738
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:46,769
he puts on a pair of sunglasses
and he sees aliens."
739
00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:50,033
And I thought he was completely
making it up.
740
00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:51,557
I've got one that can see.
741
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:57,389
They Liveis sort of a movie
742
00:36:57,432 --> 00:36:59,956
that's light-years
ahead of its time.
743
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,308
It's really a film about
the reality that we live in.
744
00:37:03,351 --> 00:37:06,659
They Liveis incredibly
about Reaganomics.
745
00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:08,313
Like, that is the focus of it.
746
00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:15,189
We see this guy.
He is working-class.
747
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,758
He's going from gig to gig,
trying to start -- find jobs.
748
00:37:18,801 --> 00:37:22,065
The movie even opens with him
in kind of an encampment
749
00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:24,894
in downtown L.A.,
trying to find another gig
750
00:37:24,938 --> 00:37:28,071
and figure out what's next.
751
00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:29,290
And through a course of events,
752
00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:31,118
he happens upon
a pair of sunglasses
753
00:37:31,161 --> 00:37:34,121
that literally reveal
the world to him
754
00:37:34,164 --> 00:37:35,905
and show him that everything
755
00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:39,822
that he has believed
about society is utter shit.
756
00:37:39,866 --> 00:37:43,696
You're always looking
for a visual way in movies
757
00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:45,263
to get your point across.
758
00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:52,357
And in this case, in They Live,
759
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,010
I wanted to show the difference
760
00:37:54,054 --> 00:37:57,144
between the reality
that we all live in
761
00:37:57,187 --> 00:38:00,495
and the reality that exists
for the aliens,
762
00:38:00,539 --> 00:38:02,454
which is very different.
763
00:38:02,497 --> 00:38:05,587
So I came up with sunglasses.
764
00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:06,980
What's your problem?
765
00:38:07,023 --> 00:38:09,069
With the glasses on,
you see the truth.
766
00:38:09,112 --> 00:38:13,116
You take the glasses off,
it's all deception.
767
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,510
I said,
what's your problem?
768
00:38:15,554 --> 00:38:17,947
The first time I saw
769
00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:20,080
you know, the reveal,
it's like,
770
00:38:20,123 --> 00:38:21,908
"That shit's creepy."
771
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:29,350
I was like, you know,
"What was the inspiration
772
00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:32,179
for that," you know?
And I asked John and he said,
773
00:38:32,222 --> 00:38:34,094
"Well, it came to me
in a dream one night,"
774
00:38:34,137 --> 00:38:36,879
and I said, "Whoa. I don't want
to be in your head."
775
00:38:36,923 --> 00:38:39,534
Well, the role in They Live
of John Nada
776
00:38:39,578 --> 00:38:41,493
was a working man.
777
00:38:41,536 --> 00:38:44,060
He was a guy who works
with his hands.
778
00:38:44,104 --> 00:38:45,888
He was working poor.
779
00:38:45,932 --> 00:38:50,850
So a movie star-type guy
doesn't -- I don't believe.
780
00:38:50,893 --> 00:38:54,593
But Roddy I believed
'cause he came from the streets.
781
00:38:54,636 --> 00:38:57,073
He had some mileage on him.
782
00:38:57,117 --> 00:38:58,901
He was perfect for the role.
783
00:38:58,945 --> 00:39:01,948
Frank and Nada met
as two homeless guys.
784
00:39:01,991 --> 00:39:03,515
There's a place
over on Fourth Street.
785
00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:05,255
They got hot food
and showers.
786
00:39:05,299 --> 00:39:07,606
I'm going that way
if you want me to show you.
787
00:39:09,434 --> 00:39:12,959
And what we represented
was the working homeless.
788
00:39:13,002 --> 00:39:15,091
Nobody ever talks about that.
789
00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:17,180
But there are a lot of guys
who are homeless.
790
00:39:17,224 --> 00:39:19,269
They just can't afford housing.
791
00:39:19,313 --> 00:39:25,406
It reeks of how our government
does not take care of us.
792
00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:26,842
In the richest country
in the world,
793
00:39:26,886 --> 00:39:28,931
still you have all this,
you know,
794
00:39:28,975 --> 00:39:31,107
devastating homelessness.
795
00:39:31,151 --> 00:39:34,459
You have, you know,
a lot of haves.
796
00:39:34,502 --> 00:39:39,202
And nobody wants to deal
with the have nots.
797
00:39:39,246 --> 00:39:41,596
They Livedoesn't feel like
a lot of '80s horror films,
798
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,294
because when we look at 1980s,
what we're seeing
799
00:39:44,338 --> 00:39:46,253
is these really flashy
horror films,
800
00:39:46,296 --> 00:39:48,124
and they're about
upper middle-class kids
801
00:39:48,168 --> 00:39:50,779
who are ripped from their,
you know, fancy lives
802
00:39:50,823 --> 00:39:52,651
and forced to deal
with a killer.
803
00:39:52,694 --> 00:39:56,306
But They Liveis talking about
poor society from the beginning.
804
00:39:56,350 --> 00:40:00,485
It's a marginalized group who is
fighting this massive machine.
805
00:40:00,528 --> 00:40:02,225
Look, you crazy mother --
806
00:40:02,269 --> 00:40:04,706
- Put these on.
- Hey! Stay away from me.
807
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:07,056
I'm telling you,
you dumb son of a --
808
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:08,928
I think, like, the thing
that I found most impressive
809
00:40:08,971 --> 00:40:12,627
about the film initially
was the big fight scene...
810
00:40:16,022 --> 00:40:18,807
...that they just did this long
sequence without any music,
811
00:40:18,851 --> 00:40:21,723
and it's just these characters
beating up each other.
812
00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:23,551
I don't want to fight you.
Stop it!
813
00:40:23,595 --> 00:40:25,118
No!
814
00:40:25,161 --> 00:40:29,035
Roddy Piper,
the actor who plays John Nada,
815
00:40:29,078 --> 00:40:30,819
is a professional wrestler.
816
00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:34,910
And what better opportunity
than to do a very long,
817
00:40:34,954 --> 00:40:38,784
involved, extended fight scene?
818
00:40:38,827 --> 00:40:41,264
And Keith David was his costar,
819
00:40:41,308 --> 00:40:44,485
and Keith was absolutely
ready to go.
820
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,318
So they rehearsed
for a month and a half,
821
00:40:51,361 --> 00:40:53,842
and in the backyard
of our office.
822
00:40:53,886 --> 00:40:56,323
Jeff Imada
was the stunt coordinator,
823
00:40:56,366 --> 00:40:57,759
and he worked with them,
and they came up
824
00:40:57,803 --> 00:40:59,326
with this big fight,
825
00:40:59,369 --> 00:41:00,283
and we shot it in an alley,
downtown L.A.
826
00:41:08,596 --> 00:41:10,163
God, we had a good time.
827
00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:12,905
I loved working on that fight.
It was great.
828
00:41:12,948 --> 00:41:16,996
The worst part was fighting
in that stinky-ass alleyway.
829
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,215
They had to put rubber
on the floor
830
00:41:19,259 --> 00:41:20,913
and paint it like it
was the ground
831
00:41:20,956 --> 00:41:23,916
so we wouldn't have to be
on a nasty, you know --
832
00:41:23,959 --> 00:41:26,484
'cause downtown L.A. is no fun.
833
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,531
Fuck!
834
00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:33,795
And it wasn't until years later
that I looked at that
835
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:35,580
and I realized
that the reason that works
836
00:41:35,623 --> 00:41:37,582
is because it's not
a pointless fight scene,
837
00:41:37,625 --> 00:41:40,802
is that that's a fight scene
that represents
838
00:41:40,846 --> 00:41:42,630
sort of the reality we live in.
839
00:41:42,674 --> 00:41:45,677
It represents the differences
in people's political beliefs
840
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:50,072
and the fact that you can't
change somebody's mind
841
00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:51,160
in a very simple way.
842
00:41:53,989 --> 00:41:56,035
That's the American way.
843
00:41:56,078 --> 00:41:59,081
They want us to fight
with each other.
844
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:01,562
But our cause is common.
845
00:42:01,606 --> 00:42:05,305
They pit the poor Black man
against the poor white man
846
00:42:05,348 --> 00:42:08,221
and tell them that he's better
than him, he deserves --
847
00:42:08,264 --> 00:42:11,529
when, you know, together,
you're far more powerful
848
00:42:11,572 --> 00:42:14,314
than you are apart.
849
00:42:20,886 --> 00:42:26,935
They Liveis about what happens
in our American society
850
00:42:26,979 --> 00:42:30,199
when greed is unchecked...
851
00:42:32,114 --> 00:42:38,904
and the society loses
its core values.
852
00:42:38,947 --> 00:42:41,123
The underground
terrorist network
853
00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:43,909
has been destroyed
here on the west coast.
854
00:42:43,952 --> 00:42:48,174
Well, I've tried to avoid
statements in my movies
855
00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:50,916
since I think they don't work.
856
00:42:50,959 --> 00:42:54,093
But in this case,
in the case of "They Live,"
857
00:42:54,136 --> 00:42:58,619
I was so fed up
with Reaganomics.
858
00:42:58,663 --> 00:43:02,841
What I mean by that
is unrestrained capitalism.
859
00:43:04,669 --> 00:43:06,061
It was a cry in the darkness
860
00:43:06,105 --> 00:43:09,282
because Reagan was
enormously popular
861
00:43:09,325 --> 00:43:11,458
and no one else
saw things the way I did.
862
00:43:11,501 --> 00:43:14,722
And I just had to.
I had to do it.
863
00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:16,855
- ...like shit.
- What happened?
864
00:43:16,898 --> 00:43:19,684
So that's what They Live
is about.
865
00:43:19,727 --> 00:43:22,121
It's about the fact
866
00:43:22,164 --> 00:43:24,079
that Reaganism
is controlled by aliens.
867
00:43:24,123 --> 00:43:26,342
You're moving on.
868
00:43:26,386 --> 00:43:28,954
Hey, what's wrong, baby?
869
00:43:33,915 --> 00:43:36,657
By the late '80s,
after a decade of hits,
870
00:43:36,701 --> 00:43:38,311
the great slasher franchises
871
00:43:38,354 --> 00:43:41,053
seemed to have
burned themselves out.
872
00:43:41,096 --> 00:43:43,838
The genre seemingly stalled.
873
00:43:43,882 --> 00:43:48,321
By the early 1990s,
Gen-Xers turned disinterest
874
00:43:48,364 --> 00:43:50,584
into a cultural trend.
875
00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:52,891
Disaffected and cynical,
876
00:43:52,934 --> 00:43:54,762
the so-called
"slacker generation"
877
00:43:54,806 --> 00:43:58,200
was bored of everything,
including genre films.
878
00:43:58,244 --> 00:44:00,681
The horror movie tropes
were played out.
879
00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,509
Audiences knew all the rules,
880
00:44:02,552 --> 00:44:05,425
or at least
they thought they did.
881
00:44:05,468 --> 00:44:07,253
Well, I'm getting ready
to watch a video.
882
00:44:07,296 --> 00:44:08,994
Really? What?
883
00:44:09,037 --> 00:44:10,996
Oh, just some scary movie.
884
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,520
- You like scary movies?
- Uh-huh.
885
00:44:13,563 --> 00:44:16,436
In 1996,
I was working on my PhD
886
00:44:16,479 --> 00:44:18,090
at Florida State University.
887
00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:24,009
There was a knock on my door.
888
00:44:24,052 --> 00:44:25,488
A guy I know from class,
he said,
889
00:44:25,532 --> 00:44:26,881
"Hey, man,
I'm taking you to a movie."
890
00:44:26,925 --> 00:44:28,709
And I said, "No, I'm halfway
through a story.
891
00:44:28,753 --> 00:44:30,711
I gotta do this," and he said,
"No, I'm taking you to a movie."
892
00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:32,017
And it was Scream.
893
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:33,845
Why do you want to know my name?
894
00:44:33,888 --> 00:44:36,717
'Cause I want to know
who I'm looking at.
895
00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:39,415
And I was there myself alone
for the next six nights.
896
00:44:39,459 --> 00:44:41,548
I saw Screamseven nights
in the theater,
897
00:44:41,591 --> 00:44:43,506
in its first run, I guess.
898
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:46,727
And ever since then, I watch it
probably every four weeks,
899
00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:47,728
if not more.
900
00:44:47,772 --> 00:44:49,904
I think it is fairly genius.
901
00:44:49,948 --> 00:44:51,993
Is this some kind of joke?
902
00:44:52,037 --> 00:44:54,735
More of a game, really.
903
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:56,432
The idea for Scream
was a little twofold.
904
00:44:56,476 --> 00:45:00,393
I wrote a one-act play
in college about a young girl
905
00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:02,090
on the phone
with a serial killer,
906
00:45:02,134 --> 00:45:04,571
and it just sat in a box
and nothing ever happened to it.
907
00:45:04,614 --> 00:45:07,356
And I forgot all about it,
and then years later,
908
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,403
I was housesitting for a friend,
and I walked into the den
909
00:45:10,446 --> 00:45:12,535
and I saw
that the window was open.
910
00:45:12,579 --> 00:45:15,364
And I went, "Has this window
been open the whole time?"
911
00:45:15,408 --> 00:45:17,323
And I got so terrified
and called a friend of mine up.
912
00:45:17,366 --> 00:45:19,542
And I said, "All right,
I think someone's in the house."
913
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:22,850
So I got a knife
and I walked through the house,
914
00:45:22,894 --> 00:45:24,591
just like a final girl,
915
00:45:24,634 --> 00:45:26,811
and I was looking through the --
in the shower.
916
00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:29,161
I was looking under the bed.
I was looking in the closet.
917
00:45:29,204 --> 00:45:31,729
And I got so scared,
and my friend was on the phone,
918
00:45:31,772 --> 00:45:33,687
going...
919
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,471
Terrifying me, scared.
920
00:45:35,515 --> 00:45:37,343
And then we got into this
big debate about horror films,
921
00:45:37,386 --> 00:45:38,779
and then I went, "Oh!
922
00:45:38,823 --> 00:45:41,303
I wrote a comedy about this
in college."
923
00:45:41,347 --> 00:45:45,133
And so I dug it out
and I brushed it off.
924
00:45:45,177 --> 00:45:46,265
That was the first scene.
925
00:45:48,963 --> 00:45:51,357
Screamwas another one of
those kind of like, you know,
926
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,229
touchstone kind of horror movies
for me growing up,
927
00:45:54,273 --> 00:45:56,841
one of the best theatrical
experiences I ever had.
928
00:45:56,884 --> 00:46:00,670
And I was so blown away
by especially the first
929
00:46:00,714 --> 00:46:03,064
like six or seven minutes
or whatever it is
930
00:46:03,108 --> 00:46:04,413
with Drew Barrymore.
931
00:46:04,457 --> 00:46:05,937
Drew Barrymore opening up
a horror film
932
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:07,416
and then dying, you know,
in 10 minutes --
933
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:09,810
that was unprecedented.
934
00:46:09,854 --> 00:46:13,118
That's the alternate ending
to the movie.
935
00:46:13,161 --> 00:46:15,207
She lives.
936
00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,818
It was a calculated risk,
and we didn't know whether
937
00:46:17,862 --> 00:46:20,995
the audience would even
forgive us for that.
938
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:22,605
They did, thankfully.
But yeah.
939
00:46:22,649 --> 00:46:25,217
It was a very risky film
in many, many ways.
940
00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:28,524
That first opening scene
was like, I think --
941
00:46:28,568 --> 00:46:30,526
I think still probably
one of the best sequences
942
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:32,354
in any movie,
not just horror movies.
943
00:46:32,398 --> 00:46:34,400
It's one of my favorite
of all time.
944
00:46:34,443 --> 00:46:38,839
I think that the film resonated
with a large audience
945
00:46:38,883 --> 00:46:44,410
because it was this beautiful
blend of camp and culture.
946
00:46:48,849 --> 00:46:50,677
It felt extremely relevant.
947
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,374
Okay, bye now.
948
00:46:52,418 --> 00:46:55,856
If you hang up on me, you'll die
just like your mother!
949
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:57,510
I remember my parents --
950
00:46:57,553 --> 00:46:59,207
like, when my dad
got a cellphone in the car,
951
00:46:59,251 --> 00:47:00,861
like, that was, like,
mind-blowing, you know?
952
00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:03,690
Like, the killer having
a cellphone in your yard?
953
00:47:03,733 --> 00:47:06,258
It's like, what?
954
00:47:06,301 --> 00:47:08,695
Like, that is brand-new
for the killer to be like
955
00:47:08,738 --> 00:47:11,219
also really, like,
technologically savvy.
956
00:47:11,263 --> 00:47:13,178
Horrifying.
957
00:47:15,615 --> 00:47:19,880
Before Scream,slasher movies
had kind of existed
958
00:47:19,924 --> 00:47:22,883
in a side world where there were
no slasher movies.
959
00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:24,624
What Screamdid was it allowed
960
00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:27,061
that Halloweenexisted,
that Jason Voorhees existed,
961
00:47:27,105 --> 00:47:30,021
that this whole history
of slashers existed.
962
00:47:30,064 --> 00:47:32,806
And, to me,
that was revolutionary.
963
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:34,416
You know, Screamwas sort of
the first movie
964
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:39,160
that I feel like actually talked
about horror movies so openly
965
00:47:39,204 --> 00:47:42,120
and allowed them to be exposed.
966
00:47:42,163 --> 00:47:44,557
There are certain rules
that one must abide by
967
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,603
in order to successfully
survive a horror movie.
968
00:47:47,647 --> 00:47:49,779
The rules of horror --
I had the luxury of the '80s.
969
00:47:49,823 --> 00:47:51,259
I had the luxury
of all the tropes.
970
00:47:51,303 --> 00:47:52,826
When I went into Scream,
I was able to look
971
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:55,394
at all the movies
that had come before it
972
00:47:55,437 --> 00:47:57,004
and sort of acknowledge them.
973
00:47:57,048 --> 00:48:00,703
Scream revitalized the genre.
974
00:48:00,747 --> 00:48:05,099
The meta, self-referential winks
and nods to the horror films
975
00:48:05,143 --> 00:48:06,666
the audience
had grown up watching
976
00:48:06,709 --> 00:48:09,669
thrilled fans
and sparked renewed interest
977
00:48:09,712 --> 00:48:11,236
in scary movies.
978
00:48:11,279 --> 00:48:13,934
Scream treated its audience
with respect
979
00:48:13,978 --> 00:48:17,155
by acknowledging
all the clichés of the genre
980
00:48:17,198 --> 00:48:21,115
and then using them anyway
to scare the hell out of them.
981
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:24,902
Once again, clever filmmakers
were elevating
982
00:48:24,945 --> 00:48:26,686
and refreshing the form,
983
00:48:26,729 --> 00:48:30,124
and the audience
was the true winner.
984
00:48:30,168 --> 00:48:31,647
You know, what I love
about Scream
985
00:48:31,691 --> 00:48:33,780
is that it's a love letter
to the genre,
986
00:48:33,823 --> 00:48:36,478
but it's a love letter
that calls out the formula,
987
00:48:36,522 --> 00:48:39,351
the conventions,
the excess of the genre.
988
00:48:39,394 --> 00:48:41,266
But it's not the kind of parody
989
00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:43,311
that undercuts
and seeks to destroy.
990
00:48:43,355 --> 00:48:45,748
It's a kind of parody that hopes
to burn off the excess
991
00:48:45,792 --> 00:48:49,013
and let the genre
move through better.
992
00:48:49,056 --> 00:48:51,450
This is the moment
when the supposedly dead killer
993
00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:54,757
comes back to life
for one last scare.
994
00:48:54,801 --> 00:48:56,716
Ah!
995
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,329
Not in my movie.
996
00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:05,159
I think Scream,because
it was able to summarize
997
00:49:05,203 --> 00:49:07,945
all the great things
that we loved about these movies
998
00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:13,037
and kind of also do a really
good version of that itself,
999
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,256
it's almost like the genre
really peaked there
1000
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:17,737
because, you know, after Scream,
1001
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:21,523
there wasn't a ton to say
'cause they kind of said it all.
1002
00:49:21,567 --> 00:49:23,569
They at least summarized it.
1003
00:49:23,612 --> 00:49:24,874
First test screening we had,
1004
00:49:24,918 --> 00:49:26,311
and the only test screening
we had,
1005
00:49:26,354 --> 00:49:28,008
the test scores
went through the roof.
1006
00:49:28,052 --> 00:49:30,576
I just had the feeling
filming certain scenes
1007
00:49:30,619 --> 00:49:33,144
that this was extraordinary
stuff, you know?
1008
00:49:33,187 --> 00:49:34,623
I had no idea
how big it would be.
1009
00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:37,017
I had no idea
its everlasting impression
1010
00:49:37,061 --> 00:49:39,977
or its everlasting effect
that it would have on horror.
1011
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:42,544
I just wrote a movie
I wanted to see.
1012
00:49:42,588 --> 00:49:44,155
I was just trying
to get noticed.
1013
00:49:44,198 --> 00:49:45,808
I was just trying
to get a career.
1014
00:49:45,852 --> 00:49:47,767
I just wanted to tell a story.
1015
00:49:47,810 --> 00:49:49,247
I wanted to tell a horror story.
1016
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:51,727
It's been always my goal
to do my Halloween.
1017
00:49:51,771 --> 00:49:54,295
I look back at it as just
a bunch of memories, you know?
1018
00:49:54,339 --> 00:49:56,341
It was all my memories
with Wes Craven.
1019
00:49:56,384 --> 00:49:57,907
He was always a mentor to me.
1020
00:49:57,951 --> 00:50:00,040
He was always selfless
and giving of his time,
1021
00:50:00,084 --> 00:50:03,043
and he always had answers
to my questions.
1022
00:50:03,087 --> 00:50:04,740
I remember asking him, like,
1023
00:50:04,784 --> 00:50:06,046
"What does it feel like
to be the master of horror?"
1024
00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:07,700
And he would look at me and go,
"I don't know.
1025
00:50:07,743 --> 00:50:09,615
You should ask John Carpenter."
1026
00:50:09,658 --> 00:50:11,573
I think horror is
a funhouse mirror
1027
00:50:11,617 --> 00:50:17,014
that reflects society's
anxieties and dreads back at us.
1028
00:50:19,364 --> 00:50:21,931
Horror is most vital
in times of stress,
1029
00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:26,414
be it political, economic,
environmental, whatever it is.
1030
00:50:26,458 --> 00:50:28,503
I think horror is always
a pulse on our society.
1031
00:50:28,547 --> 00:50:30,244
It never really goes away,
you know?
1032
00:50:30,288 --> 00:50:32,029
So horror stories allow us
to process through
1033
00:50:32,072 --> 00:50:33,552
from beginning to end
1034
00:50:33,595 --> 00:50:35,467
of whatever the bad experiences
in our life.
1035
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:37,686
Horror lets us imagine
1036
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:39,079
a light at the end
of the tunnel.
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