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♪ I'm ashamed to be an American

♪ Where the fags
can freely roam

♪ Where the fags
can freely roam

♪ They spread their filth
around this land

♪ They spread their filth
around this land

♪ Every pervert calls... ♪

♪ Every pervert calls... ♪

THEROUX: For several days, I've
been living among the members
of the Westboro Baptist Church.

THEROUX: For several days, I've
been living among the members
of the Westboro Baptist Church.

♪ And proclaim God's word
today... ♪

THEROUX: A fire-and-brimstone
Christian group

THEROUX: A fire-and-brimstone
Christian group

made up almost entirely
of a single family.

♪ God hates the U...S...A... ♪

♪ God hates the U...S...A... ♪

♪ God hates the U...S...A... ♪

Welcome to our picket!

Welcome to our picket!

THEROUX: Since the Iraq War,

THEROUX: Since the Iraq War,

they've become infamous
for picketing the funerals
of dead soldiers

as a protest against an America
that tolerates homosexuality.

as a protest against an America
that tolerates homosexuality.

America is doomed!
God hates fags!

America is doomed!
God hates fags!

Are you a homosexual?

Are you a homosexual?

Are you or not?

We're servants of the living
God, hon. What does it matter,
where we came from?

We're servants of the living
God, hon. What does it matter,
where we came from?

THEROUX: The Westboro
Baptist Church

THEROUX: The Westboro
Baptist Church

is probably the most
controversial church
in America.

Hush up, hush up,
and obey your God!

Hush up, hush up,
and obey your God!

THEROUX: And for three weeks,
I'd be trying to fathom

THEROUX: And for three weeks,
I'd be trying to fathom

why they had created
such a strange ministry.

why they had created
such a strange ministry.

What is that one?
Is this in the Bible?

Fags eat feces.

Fags eat feces.

That's a fact, hon!

THEROUX: The church is situated
in a suburb of Topeka, Kansas.

THEROUX: The church is situated
in a suburb of Topeka, Kansas.

Its pastor is the family
patriarch, Fred Phelps,

Its pastor is the family
patriarch, Fred Phelps,

also known as Gramps.

also known as Gramps.

Hi.

Hi.

-Hi there. You must be Shirley.
-Yes.

-I'm Louis.
-Hi, Louis.

-I'm Louis.
-Hi, Louis.

THEROUX: But in
the last few years.
the day-to-day operations

are now run by the pastor's
daughter, Shirley,

are now run by the pastor's
daughter, Shirley,

a lawyer and mother
to 11 children.

a lawyer and mother
to 11 children.

-So this is an office area?
-Yes.

So these are your signs.

So these are your signs.

You've got
"God hates fags" here.

You've got
"God hates fags" here.

Uh-huh. And "God hates you."

Don't think of fags
as just those guys

Don't think of fags
as just those guys

taking it up the tailpipe.

Think of it as people
who are involved

Think of it as people
who are involved

in some perverted sex act.

in some perverted sex act.

I'm talking about anything
other than one man, one woman

I'm talking about anything
other than one man, one woman

in their marriage bed.

So beneath that

So beneath that

are there gradations
of iniquity, as it were?

If you see a nation or a people

If you see a nation or a people

who have risen up with one
voice to say

who have risen up with one
voice to say

that it's okay to be gay,

you're looking at
a doomed people. Those people
have crossed the line.

you're looking at
a doomed people. Those people
have crossed the line.

When you say "gay pride,"

When you say "gay pride,"

you have obviously
given over any trace
or any notion

you have obviously
given over any trace
or any notion

that you're gonna admit that
you're sinning.

You understand that, don't you?

You understand that, don't you?

It's okay to be gay,
it's an innocent,
alternate lifestyle?

That's what I believe.

That's what I believe.

Well, then you can't say,
then you believe it's not a sin.

-THEROUX: Yes.
-And so you condemn yourself,

-THEROUX: Yes.
-And so you condemn yourself,

'cause by your words
are you justified

'cause by your words
are you justified

and by your words
are you condemned.

and by your words
are you condemned.

But am I right, though,
that Jesus, it wasn't actually
a big thing for him.

But am I right, though,
that Jesus, it wasn't actually
a big thing for him.

He had other priorities
rather than homosexuality.

It's not one of the
Ten Commandments, is it?

It's not one of the
Ten Commandments, is it?

-Yes.
-Which one?

"Thou shalt not commit
adultery."

"Thou shalt not commit
adultery."

That's not being gay.
That's cheating on someone.

That's not being gay.
That's cheating on someone.

The streets of this nation

are full of married men
having fag sex.

are full of married men
having fag sex.

That's adultery.

So don't try to pretend

that you don't come under
the umbrella of adultery

that you don't come under
the umbrella of adultery

just because you're a fag.

-Hi, guys.
-Hi.

-Hi, guys.
-Hi.

Hi.

-This is Gabriel.
-How do you do?

-This is Gabriel.
-How do you do?

-How do you do?
-This is Grace.

Hi.

Hi.

THEROUX: For the
last few years,

the church has taken
its message of God's hate

the church has taken
its message of God's hate

to the funerals of soldiers
killed in Iraq and Afghanistan,

to the funerals of soldiers
killed in Iraq and Afghanistan,

reasoning that they were
struck down by God

for fighting for a depraved
and doomed nation.

for fighting for a depraved
and doomed nation.

So, what is the plan today?

So, what is the plan today?

The plan is that
we'll get out here
and put these signs in the air.

The plan is that
we'll get out here
and put these signs in the air.

THEROUX: At the funeral?

Hun, you can call it that,
but what they're doing here is
they're worshipping the dead.

Hun, you can call it that,
but what they're doing here is
they're worshipping the dead.

You said you do research
into the soldiers
that have died?

You said you do research
into the soldiers
that have died?

He was a
Staff-Sergeant, Kevin Zeigler,
and he died of an IED.

He was a
Staff-Sergeant, Kevin Zeigler,
and he died of an IED.

That's a...

Roadside bomb.

Roadside bomb.

Right, an improvised explosive
device.

Exactly.

Exactly.

It says his family was
told that he and
another soldier died

while trying to disable
the explosive.

while trying to disable
the explosive.

He was 31.

He was 31.

Do you think it's possible

that by getting in people's
faces in this way,

that by getting in people's
faces in this way,

you're more likely
to put people off

you're more likely
to put people off

the word of Jesus Christ
and the Bible?

Have you thought about that,

just in terms
of human psychology?

You think our job
is to win souls to Christ.

You think our job
is to win souls to Christ.

All we do,
by getting in their face and
putting signs in front of them,

All we do,
by getting in their face and
putting signs in front of them,

in these plain words,
is make what was
already in their heart

in these plain words,
is make what was
already in their heart

come out of their mouth.

What do you really think?

What do you really think?

This is what I really think.

But there's a part of you
that doesn't think that?

But there's a part of you
that doesn't think that?

No, there's not any part of me.

No, there's not any part of me.

The commandment has gone forth.

The commandment has gone forth.

-Why go down there?
-America is doomed.

Because we are the evil angels.

Because we are the evil angels.

-Evil angels?
-Exactly.

And it's not because
we're evil people,

And it's not because
we're evil people,

but because we're bringing
to you the message
of the evil

that God has determined
upon you.

that God has determined
upon you.

And once we have
delivered this message...

-I thought God didn't do evil?
-My goodness!

-I thought God didn't do evil?
-My goodness!

Come on, guys. Let's
get outta here. Let's bail!

Come on, guys. Let's
get outta here. Let's bail!

This is our corner.
Come on, little boys!

Zach, you hop in
in case he wants you...

Zach, you hop in
in case he wants you...

So, I'm gonna keep
a little bit of a distance,

So, I'm gonna keep
a little bit of a distance,

-'cause I'm not part
of the picket.
-That's okay.

-You know what I mean?
-Sure.

I'm just here as a
journalist...

I'm just here as a
journalist...

Yes.

-...Shirley.
-Yes.

-...Shirley.
-Yes.

THEROUX: Today's picket
was at an intersection

near a church
in Kansas City, Missouri.

near a church
in Kansas City, Missouri.

Among the picketers was the
pastor's wife,

Among the picketers was the
pastor's wife,

though of the pastor himself
there was no sign.

though of the pastor himself
there was no sign.

Like many states across
America, Missouri has
established strict regulations

Like many states across
America, Missouri has
established strict regulations

in an attempt to limit
the Phelps' contact
with the bereaved,

in an attempt to limit
the Phelps' contact
with the bereaved,

and I was relieved
to see how far from the funeral

and I was relieved
to see how far from the funeral

the church members
were required to be.

ALL CHANT:
God hates America!

ALL CHANT:
God hates America!

America is doomed!

America is doomed!

-This is shameful.
-Yeah.

-Right down shameful.
-Yeah, hon.

You've got little kids like
this...

You've got little kids like
this...

You obviously raised
your brat for the devil,

You obviously raised
your brat for the devil,

your big gluttonous brat
for the devil!

your big gluttonous brat
for the devil!

And you go to Hell.

And you go to Hell.

I don't agree
with the lifestyle.

-Yes, you do.
-No, I don't.

-Yes, you do.
-No, I don't.

Yes, you do. You love fags,
you hate God,

so just shut up!

so just shut up!

What was he talking about?

"I don't agree with fags,
but que sera sera..."

"I don't agree with fags,
but que sera sera..."

"I don't agree with fags,
but que sera sera..."

-Fuck you!
-You think you can fix this?

You think
you're gonna change God?

You think
you're gonna change God?

You know why you're there,
you fucking bitch?

You know why you're there,
you fucking bitch?

Because you are
a rebellious brat!

Because you are
a rebellious brat!

That's why!

I mean, I've only been out here
25 minutes or so,

I mean, I've only been out here
25 minutes or so,

but so far the reaction
has been, I'd say,

but so far the reaction
has been, I'd say,

approximately 100% negative.

-Would you agree?
-Yeah, I would agree.

-Would you agree?
-Yeah, I would agree.

You think maybe
there's another way
of delivering the message,

You think maybe
there's another way
of delivering the message,

maybe like
a letter of consolation
to the family of the soldier?

maybe like
a letter of consolation
to the family of the soldier?

Oh, we send letters
all the time,
but not consolation.

You angered the Lord, your God
and now he's cursed your family.

You angered the Lord, your God
and now he's cursed your family.

You angered the Lord, your God
and now he's cursed your family.

There's no consolation there.
They're not gonna have
any consolation.

As a picket today,

As a picket today,

how would you rate this,
marks out of ten?

how would you rate this,
marks out of ten?

Hon, they're all tens.
All of them.

Jacob, would you say
ten out of ten as well?

Jacob, would you say
ten out of ten as well?

Yeah, God did this,
therefore it's perfect.

Yeah, God did this,
therefore it's perfect.

Does everything get
ten out of ten, then?
Everything that happens?

Does everything get
ten out of ten, then?
Everything that happens?

-Yeah.
-Everything. Thank God
for all of his judgments.

-Yeah.
-Everything. Thank God
for all of his judgments.

Not one word
falls to the ground.

Not one word
falls to the ground.

THEROUX: A little later,
Shirley and I regrouped
at the family homestead

where most of the 70 or so
churchgoers live.

where most of the 70 or so
churchgoers live.

So this is the centre
of the headquarters right here?

So this is the centre
of the headquarters right here?

Isn't it?

-You can call it that.
-What would you call it?

-You can call it that.
-What would you call it?

I'd call it my back yard.

But it's also the back yards
of all these other houses.

But it's also the back yards
of all these other houses.

Well, there's actually
real lines of demarcation,

Well, there's actually
real lines of demarcation,

but we took the fences down
so that we'd be a nice place
to raise all these children.

but we took the fences down
so that we'd be a nice place
to raise all these children.

You don't live communally
with the other members
of the church?

You don't live communally
with the other members
of the church?

No, no.

Where does Pastor Phelps,
the big man, the patriarch,
where does he live?

Where does Pastor Phelps,
the big man, the patriarch,
where does he live?

-He lives on that second floor.
-Up there?

-He lives on that second floor.
-Up there?

In that building you've got
the house part to this side

In that building you've got
the house part to this side

and you've got the church part
to that side.

and you've got the church part
to that side.

Have you wondered
whether you might be
part of a cult?

What exactly do you have to be
to qualify as a cult?

What exactly do you have to be
to qualify as a cult?

Well, basically it's
like a fringe religious group

Well, basically it's
like a fringe religious group

that exercises an inordinate
amount of control

that exercises an inordinate
amount of control

over its membership.

You have to have
certain other things also.

You have to have
certain other things also.

Brainwashing and a charismatic
leader at the top?

Brainwashing and a charismatic
leader at the top?

Maybe, like, Fred Phelps,
your father, could qualify.

Maybe, like, Fred Phelps,
your father, could qualify.

Look, hun, I don't care
about all that nonsense.

Look, hun, I don't care
about all that nonsense.

I'm telling you that we're
the ones who are
strictly adhering

I'm telling you that we're
the ones who are
strictly adhering

to the doctrines of faith
of all the mainline religions.
They're not. We are.

So what else you got?

So what else you got?

THEROUX: To help her
run the ministry,

THEROUX: To help her
run the ministry,

Shirley relies on
her two eldest daughters,

Shirley relies on
her two eldest daughters,

Megan and Bekah.

-This is Bekah's room, okay.
-Ta-da!

-This is Bekah's room, okay.
-Ta-da!

I don't see any posters
of pop bands.

I don't see any posters
of pop bands.

No.

-Can we look in your closet?
-I guess you can.

-Can we look in your closet?
-I guess you can.

You have quite a lot of
clothes.

Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah, pretty much.

Are there rules about
what you can and can't wear?

Modesty.

Modesty.

Our parents don't have
to tell us. We know
what we can and can't wear.

We know what's appropriate.

We know what's appropriate.

How do the girls
at your school dress?

How do the girls
at your school dress?

One word...whore.

One word...whore.

-Do you agree? Same way?
-Yeah.

What do the other people
at your school think of you?

What do the other people
at your school think of you?

They hate us,
but we're really nice.
We're nice to everyone.

They hate us,
but we're really nice.
We're nice to everyone.

Why do they hate you?

Because they hate the message.

Because they hate the message.

Because we tell them
they're going to hell.
We tell them plainly,

that you can't live the way
you're living and expect to
go to Heaven when you die.

that you can't live the way
you're living and expect to
go to Heaven when you die.

-Shall we do the next room?
-Yes.

-Shall we do the next room?
-Yes.

So, basically, your circle
of friends is mainly

So, basically, your circle
of friends is mainly

or exclusively limited
to people

or exclusively limited
to people

-who are part of this church?
-Yeah.

-who are part of this church?
-Yeah.

Do you have any friends
that are outside this group?

Nobody that we consider
a true friend,

Nobody that we consider
a true friend,

because friendship
with the world
is enmity with God.

because friendship
with the world
is enmity with God.

May I ask if you've had
boyfriends, either of you?

-No, we haven't.
-No.

-No, we haven't.
-No.

Why not?

Because that's not what
we're about in this life.

We're not about
serving ourselves.

We're not about
serving ourselves.

It's a temptation
that's not needed

It's a temptation
that's not needed

and it takes up time
that we just don't have.

When you come on with a lot
of this stuff about the Bible,

When you come on with a lot
of this stuff about the Bible,

some people might think
that you come off
a tiny bit arrogant.

If they're offended
by the judgments that we make
according to God's standard,

If they're offended
by the judgments that we make
according to God's standard,

If they're offended
by the judgments that we make
according to God's standard,

that is a clear indication
that they hate God's word,
obviously,

that is a clear indication
that they hate God's word,
obviously,

and that they're headed
for Hell.

and that they're headed
for Hell.

♪ We're marching
We're marching

♪ We're marching
We're marching

♪ We are marching, Lord

♪ We are marching, Lord

♪ We're marching
We're marching

♪ We're marching
We're marching

♪ We're marching to Zion, Lord

♪ We're marching to Zion, Lord

♪ We're marching to Zion... ♪

♪ We're marching to Zion... ♪

♪ We're marching to Zion... ♪

THEROUX: The end of my
first day at the church

and during a choir practice,
I had a moment to reflect.

and during a choir practice,
I had a moment to reflect.

♪ We're marching to Zion

♪ The beautiful city
of God... ♪

♪ The beautiful city
of God... ♪

I felt I had been bombarded
with religious rhetoric

I felt I had been bombarded
with religious rhetoric

and it was preventing me

from getting to know
the church members as people.

from getting to know
the church members as people.

With the girls especially,

With the girls especially,

I sensed there was another side
to their story

I sensed there was another side
to their story

and I was curious to know more.

♪ Beautiful

♪ Beautiful

♪ Beautiful city

♪ Beautiful city

♪ The beautiful city

♪ The beautiful city

♪ Of God! ♪

♪ Of God! ♪

♪ Of God! ♪

THEROUX: The next day,
and I was on my
way to see Jael Phelps,

niece to Shirley,
cousin to Megan and Bekah,

niece to Shirley,
cousin to Megan and Bekah,

and in her day job,
a nurse in training.

and in her day job,
a nurse in training.

It would be a chance to meet
another of the younger women

It would be a chance to meet
another of the younger women

and to ask about some of
the family members who are
no longer in the church,

and to ask about some of
the family members who are
no longer in the church,

having run off
or been excluded.

having run off
or been excluded.

-Hi.
-How are you doing?

-Hi.
-How are you doing?

-Good.
-Can we come in?

Can you show us around
a little bit?

Can you show us around
a little bit?

This is the computer
study area.

This is a picture of
all the girls in the church

This is a picture of
all the girls in the church

-when they were younger.
-Let's see that.

-when they were younger.
-Let's see that.

-Who's that?
-That's Cathy.

-She's gone now?
-Yes.

-She's gone now?
-Yes.

-And who's that?
-This is Betty.

This is Fred Junior's wife.

This is Fred Junior's wife.

This is my Aunt Liz.

This is Dot.

This is Dot.

-She's gone?
-Right.

This is Becky.
That's my grandma.

This is Becky.
That's my grandma.

This is her daughter Sharon
who has also gone.

This is her daughter Sharon
who has also gone.

Is everyone else gonna stay,
do you think?

Is everyone else gonna stay,
do you think?

-Everybody else?
-Yeah.

-Yeah.
-As far as we know.

-Yeah.
-As far as we know.

I think so.

-Are you gonna stay?
-I'm gonna stay. Yes.

-Are you gonna stay?
-I'm gonna stay. Yes.

-Do you like it?
-I love it.

-Do you?
-Yes, I really do.

-Do you?
-Yes, I really do.

As far as you're concerned,

those people that have gone
away,

those people that have gone
away,

-they're going to Hell?
-Yeah.

What if you don't believe
in the Bible?

What if you don't believe
in the Bible?

Then you're going to Hell.

So I'm going to Hell?

Yes, Louis, you are.
You're going to Hell.

Yes, Louis, you are.
You're going to Hell.

You are.

You are.

Anyways, this is my room.

Ta-da!

There's pictures everywhere.

There's pictures everywhere.

What is this one?

-You like it?
-Yeah.

-You like it?
-Yeah.

It's the wrath of God
as revealed from Heaven.
It's awesome.

Do you think that's
what it might look like

when the Scripture
is fulfilled?

when the Scripture
is fulfilled?

That kind of thing,
and other, similar things,
natural disasters,

That kind of thing,
and other, similar things,
natural disasters,

it's gonna get more and worse,
and it's gonna be so awesome.

Has there ever been a time
when you felt, um, tempted?

Has there ever been a time
when you felt, um, tempted?

I don't want
to talk about that.

I don't think it's appropriate.

I don't think it's appropriate.

I'm not gonna dwell
on anything inappropriate
if I can possibly help it.

I'm not gonna dwell
on anything inappropriate
if I can possibly help it.

I'll take that as a yes.

I'm not gonna answer
that question!

I'm not gonna answer
that question!

We're going to seek

We're going to seek

that which is good
and abhor that which is evil.

that which is good
and abhor that which is evil.

That's why we're
not gonna dwell

and tell you about every single
sin we ever did in our life.

and tell you about every single
sin we ever did in our life.

It's not sinful
to get married, is it?

It's not sinful
to get married, is it?

And if you wanted to do that,
then, how do you do that?

Well, first of all,
I don't think that's
ever gonna happen.

Well, first of all,
I don't think that's
ever gonna happen.

-Why wouldn't that happen?
-Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?

-Why wouldn't that happen?
-Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?

Because I'm Jael Phelps and
I serve God, that's why.

Because I'm Jael Phelps and
I serve God, that's why.

That's why.

And I'm not
gonna go seeking after that

And I'm not
gonna go seeking after that

because it's foolishness.

because it's foolishness.

Your father Jonathan,
he got married.

Your grandfather, Gramps,
he got married.

Your grandfather, Gramps,
he got married.

Shirley got married.

Shirley got married.

Why should you be any
different?

Well, Louis, we're living in
the last of the last days.

Well, Louis, we're living in
the last of the last days.

Time is very short.

Time is very short.

Times are very different than
what they were 15 years ago.

THEROUX: There could
be someone...

THEROUX: There could
be someone...

There could,
but I'm not gonna plan it,

and I'm not gonna seek after it
and I'm not gonna dwell on it.

and I'm not gonna seek after it
and I'm not gonna dwell on it.

and I'm not gonna seek after it
and I'm not gonna dwell on it.

That's not my interest.
It's not my focus.

That's not my interest.
It's not my focus.

I'm a dumb young girl,

I'm a dumb young girl,

but I'm not that dumb and goofy
to go...

This is so silly.

This is so silly.

I don't wanna talk about it
any more.

I don't wanna talk about it
any more.

Okay?

So I don't wanna go there.

So I don't wanna go there.

THEROUX: That afternoon,
I had an appointment
to see Steve Drain.

THEROUX: That afternoon,
I had an appointment
to see Steve Drain.

He was unusual in not having
been born into the group.

He was unusual in not having
been born into the group.

-Hey!
-Hey, how's it going?

-Hey!
-Hey, how's it going?

-Are you Steve?
-I am.

-How are you doing?
-I'm doing good.

-How are you doing?
-I'm doing good.

-I'm Louis.
-Hi, Louis.

THEROUX: As part of
his service to the church,
Steve handles online media

THEROUX: As part of
his service to the church,
Steve handles online media

and is an all-round helper to
the man he now calls Gramps.

and is an all-round helper to
the man he now calls Gramps.

What would you like to show me?

You wanna see
how we make signs?

You wanna see
how we make signs?

-The famous signs.
-"God hates fags."

-The famous signs.
-"God hates fags."

THEROUX: But in his old life,

I'd heard he and I
had something in common.

I'd heard he and I
had something in common.

Is it true that you
first came here

Is it true that you
first came here

-as a documentary film-maker?
-Yes.

So you brought your family here
all the way from Florida?

So you brought your family here
all the way from Florida?

-Mmm-hmm.
-Are you glad you did that?

-Mmm-hmm.
-Are you glad you did that?

Absolutely.

It's the only thing that
at the end of the day I can say
I'm really glad that I did.

It's the only thing that
at the end of the day I can say
I'm really glad that I did.

-Really?
-Mmm-hmm.

Is Gramps a disciple of God?

Is Gramps a disciple of God?

Anybody who has
a sincere message,
an ambassador from God,

Anybody who has
a sincere message,
an ambassador from God,

preaching a sincere message
of God, is a prophet,

preaching a sincere message
of God, is a prophet,

and Gramps is a prophet, as are
all of these other people
around about here.

THEROUX: So these are
some of the ones...
These are ones...

THEROUX: So these are
some of the ones...
These are ones...

Some of these
are kind of random,
aren't they?

Some of these
are kind of random,
aren't they?

-They're not random.
-This one...

Liz Taylor?

Course she's a fag lover.
Course she is!

Desmond Tutu?
How do you choose...

Desmond Tutu?
How do you choose...

He can't help but
lie about the Scripture
every time he opens his mouth!

He can't help but
lie about the Scripture
every time he opens his mouth!

How do you choose who
you're gonna make signs about?

How do you choose who
you're gonna make signs about?

There's no logic here.

Actually, there's
plenty of logic.

Actually, there's
plenty of logic.

Anybody in the news who
supports the filthy fag agenda,

Anybody in the news who
supports the filthy fag agenda,

we'll make a sign about.

Did you feel this way about
homosexuality

Did you feel this way about
homosexuality

-before you came here?
-No. Of course not.

-before you came here?
-No. Of course not.

-What was your feeling...
-I was the smartest man
in the world.

I embraced the philosophy
of libertarianism.

I embraced the philosophy
of libertarianism.

I was a genius.

-It was okay to be gay?
-I was a genius.

-It was okay to be gay?
-I was a genius.

What is this? Look at this.

What is this? Look at this.

-That's a little offensive.
-To who?

People in Britain
consider her an icon.

People in Britain
consider her an icon.

She split Hell wide open
when she died.

She split Hell wide open
when she died.

She's a fag enabler.

Princess Diana?

Princess Diana?

She'll be in Hell
for all of eternity.
You know why?

Are we talking about
Princess Diana?
I can't believe my ears.

Are we talking about
Princess Diana?
I can't believe my ears.

Oh, my goodness gracious!

THEROUX: In addition
to the funeral pickets,

THEROUX: In addition
to the funeral pickets,

the church also does
a multitude of local pickets

the church also does
a multitude of local pickets

of churches and other targets
chosen by the pastor.

So where are we
actually going to now?

So where are we
actually going to now?

We're going to a picket
here at the Jew Church.

We're going to a picket
here at the Jew Church.

The...

-What did you say?
-The Jew Church.

-What did you say?
-The Jew Church.

That sounds a little
anti-Semitic when you say
"the Jew Church."

These people hate God
and worship the rectum.

These people hate God
and worship the rectum.

-The rectum?
-Yeah, the rectum.

-The rectum?
-Yeah, the rectum.

That sounds insane
when you say that.

-It does?
-Yeah.

-It does?
-Yeah.

They worship that which
they desire, that makes them
feel good.

It's an expression
of the flesh.

-It's a metaphor?
-Of course it is.

-It's a metaphor?
-Of course it is.

Idolatry, fornication, all
manner of sexual perversions

Idolatry, fornication, all
manner of sexual perversions

go hand in hand, Louis.
They all go hand in hand.

We're talking about
callous defiance
against God Almighty.

We're talking about
callous defiance
against God Almighty.

The Jews killed Christ.

The Jews killed Christ.

You're gonna try to say they
worship the same God
as I worship?

You're gonna try to say they
worship the same God
as I worship?

-They killed Christ.
-News flash, Brainiac,
Christ was Jewish.

-They killed Christ.
-News flash, Brainiac,
Christ was Jewish.

What I'm trying to tell you,
Brainiac, is Christ was God.

What I'm trying to tell you,
Brainiac, is Christ was God.

They were living in
a Jewish area,

so of course the Jewish people
were involved, but a lot
of them weren't involved.

so of course the Jewish people
were involved, but a lot
of them weren't involved.

Involved? What do you mean,
involved? They called for
his crucifixion.

Involved? What do you mean,
involved? They called for
his crucifixion.

The Romans did it,
not the Jews.

The Crucifixion.
The Jews did it.

The Crucifixion.
The Jews did it.

They live in callous defiance
of the Scripture,

They live in callous defiance
of the Scripture,

and I gotta warn 'em
about it, Louis.
That's my unction.

"Cry aloud. Spare not.
Lift up thy voice
like a trumpet

"Cry aloud. Spare not.
Lift up thy voice
like a trumpet

"and show my people
their transgressions."

"and show my people
their transgressions."

You see these wonderful signs,

God Hates Fags,
Temple Beth Sodom,

God Hates Fags,
Temple Beth Sodom,

Jew Fags,
God Is USA's Terrorist,
God Hates America?

Jew Fags,
God Is USA's Terrorist,
God Hates America?

These are wonderful signs.
Fag Troops?

♪ America

♪ America

♪ America

♪ God showed his wrath to me

♪ God showed his wrath to me

♪ He cursed this land

♪ He cursed this land

♪ With His own hand

♪ With His own hand

♪ And showed
His sovereignty... ♪

♪ And showed
His sovereignty... ♪

THEROUX: That evening,
Steve had invited me
to drop in

THEROUX: That evening,
Steve had invited me
to drop in

on a special taping of one of
the church's online sermons.

Everything okay, Steve?

Everything okay, Steve?

Hinting that there might be
an opportunity

Hinting that there might be
an opportunity

to have my first face-to-face
with Pastor Phelps.

to have my first face-to-face
with Pastor Phelps.

Everything okay up there?

Yeah, everything's fine.
Yeah, we just wanted
to make sure

Yeah, everything's fine.
Yeah, we just wanted
to make sure

that we got our technical
difficulties straightened
from yesterday.

-Everything cool?
-Yeah.

-Everything cool?
-Yeah.

Steve, Steve, Steve...

-Steve!
-Come on.

-Steve!
-Come on.

Where have you gone? Hello?

Where have you gone? Hello?

-Where are you?
-Right here.

-All right...
-What is going on?

-All right...
-What is going on?

Yeah, yeah...

-Why don't you go ahead and...
-Hi, guys.

How do you do? I'm Louis.

How do you do? I'm Louis.

-Hi, Louis.
-From the BBC.

-Hi, Louis.
-From the BBC.

-Yes.
-You must be Pastor Fred Phelps.

-Very pleased to meet you.
-Yes. Glad to see you, Louis.

-Very pleased to meet you.
-Yes. Glad to see you, Louis.

-What is happening?
-Pay close attention.

Billy Graham,
Hell-bound false prophet.

Billy Graham,
Hell-bound false prophet.

I've known Billy Graham
more than 50 years

I've known Billy Graham
more than 50 years

and, Billy, you are headed

straight and irreversibly
for Hell.

straight and irreversibly
for Hell.

You are a lying,
money-grubbing,

You are a lying,
money-grubbing,

Arminian heretic.

At 88, Graham will soon die
and split Hell wide open.

At 88, Graham will soon die
and split Hell wide open.

At 88, Graham will soon die
and split Hell wide open.

And Westboro Baptist Church
will picket your funeral.

And Westboro Baptist Church
will picket your funeral.

Amen.

Amen.

Thanks, Gramps.
That was awesome.

Okay, guys. What do you want?

You are basically
the pastor of the church

You are basically
the pastor of the church

and the paterfamilias
of the whole group.

and the paterfamilias
of the whole group.

Didn't you see that
newspaper story

Didn't you see that
newspaper story

down at the bottom
of the stairs?

No. Steve was gonna give us
a little tour downstairs,

No. Steve was gonna give us
a little tour downstairs,

and then he was in such a rush.
What was that all about?

and then he was in such a rush.
What was that all about?

We've got a schedule to keep.
You're here to shoot us,
we're not here to cater to you.

We've got a schedule to keep.
You're here to shoot us,
we're not here to cater to you.

We've got a schedule to keep.

This is a pretty big
family here.
How many children do you have?

This is a pretty big
family here.
How many children do you have?

Don't bother me with
that kind of silly question.

Don't bother me with
that kind of silly question.

Get to some stuff that I'm
the only one that can answer.

Then we'll have
a good interview here.

Then we'll have
a good interview here.

In fact, were we supposed
to have an interview?

In fact, were we supposed
to have an interview?

Usurping oxygen!

-Can we have an interview?
-Not now.

-Not now?
-No, not now.

-Not now?
-No, not now.

You were saying... How many
children you have?

You were saying... How many
children you have?

STEVE: Hey, guys,
let's go on downstairs.

STEVE: Hey, guys,
let's go on downstairs.

He already answered
that question.

Everybody in the
civilized world knows
how many children I've got,

Everybody in the
civilized world knows
how many children I've got,

and how many grandchildren
and how many
great-grandchildren.

-Is he stalling for time?
-Shall we go downstairs?

-Is he stalling for time?
-Shall we go downstairs?

-Thank you for having us.
-Sure. Glad to see you guys.

-Thank you for having us.
-Sure. Glad to see you guys.

There's the article he
was talking about,
Time magazine.

There's the article he
was talking about,
Time magazine.

-Did that go okay?
-Yeah, it went great.

What was the big deal
about asking how many children?

What was the big deal
about asking how many children?

He would've had
more time for you right there

if you had some kind of
sincere and relevant
theological question.

if you had some kind of
sincere and relevant
theological question.

That was a sincere question.
You can't fault me on that.

That was a sincere question.
You can't fault me on that.

I sincerely was curious
to know his answer

I sincerely was curious
to know his answer

to the question,
"How many children
do you have?"

You already knew
how many children he had.

I wanted to know how many he
would say that he had.

I wanted to know how many he
would say that he had.

Because I know that he had 13,
but four have fallen away.

Because I know that he had 13,
but four have fallen away.

You know he has 13
and that four
have fallen away.

You know he has 13
and that four
have fallen away.

There's your answer.

There's your answer.

But I wanted to hear
what he had to say about it.

He told you what he had
to say on it.

You want us to say it
a certain way?

You want us to say it
a certain way?

No, I just wanted to know
how many he would say...

No, I just wanted to know
how many he would say...

You have the guy who has
by far, head and shoulders,

You have the guy who has
by far, head and shoulders,

more scriptural knowledge,
knowledge of the Bible,

more scriptural knowledge,
knowledge of the Bible,

knowledge of the moral realm

of anybody who is crawling
all over this Earth
like ants on a banana

of anybody who is crawling
all over this Earth
like ants on a banana

and you ask him some
silly, dull question like that?

and you ask him some
silly, dull question like that?

How many children do you have?

Man, you're wasting your
opportunity, dude. That's all
I got to say.

Man, you're wasting your
opportunity, dude. That's all
I got to say.

THEROUX: The next day,
and I joined Shirley

THEROUX: The next day,
and I joined Shirley

as she did her afternoon
school run.

-Where are we going, Shirley?
-We're going over here
to pick up the children.

-Where are we going, Shirley?
-We're going over here
to pick up the children.

THEROUX: By now, I had sensed
how impregnable the beliefs
of the church members are,

THEROUX: By now, I had sensed
how impregnable the beliefs
of the church members are,

and I wanted to understand
how that faith is instilled in
the children of the family.

and I wanted to understand
how that faith is instilled in
the children of the family.

They go to normal schools?

I'm surprised they're
not home-schooled, in a way.

I'm surprised they're
not home-schooled, in a way.

There's two reasons
that we can't do that.

The first one is
I couldn't do the job justice.

The first one is
I couldn't do the job justice.

And the second is, because
these children need to be
in the faces of this community,

And the second is, because
these children need to be
in the faces of this community,

because that is
part of our testimony.

because that is
part of our testimony.

Do they preach at school
at all?

Do they preach at school
at all?

No. Only their presence.

Only like they're walking
picket signs.

Only like they're walking
picket signs.

They see these kids
and they think,

"God hates fags"
or "America is doomed"
or anything like that.

"God hates fags"
or "America is doomed"
or anything like that.

Do they have friends
at the schools?

Do they have friends
at the schools?

They have friendly
acquaintances.

They have friendly
acquaintances.

I don't know if you'd call them
friends.

I don't know what really
constitutes a friend.

I don't know what really
constitutes a friend.

They can bring them home?

You think these kids are gonna
want to come to our house?

You think these kids are gonna
want to come to our house?

It's very nice. Yeah.

Where would that go?

Where would that go?

Pretty quick you're gonna
get into the discussions.

Pretty quick you're gonna
get into the discussions.

But, on the other hand,
that's how I met
my husband.

But, on the other hand,
that's how I met
my husband.

He hung out with my brother.

Sounds like you haven't made up
your own mind.

Sounds like you haven't made up
your own mind.

I'm saying that when they
turn up, when they
come around, they're welcome.

I'm saying that when they
turn up, when they
come around, they're welcome.

I'm saying that when they
turn up, when they
come around, they're welcome.

Could they bring girlfriends
or boyfriends home?

I will not have my kids calling
themselves dating anyone

I will not have my kids calling
themselves dating anyone

or doing activities that
would remotely resemble

or doing activities that
would remotely resemble

what this generation
calls dating.

what this generation
calls dating.

To what end would they do that?

What would be the purpose?
So they can fornicate?

-Fun.
-Fun?

-Fun.
-Fun?

Does that equal fornicating?

Does that equal fornicating?

-Not necessarily.
-Well, what does it equal?

-Not necessarily.
-Well, what does it equal?

Having fun, holding hands.

Holding hands? No!

Holding hands? No!

Sending little notes
to each other?

Sending little notes
to each other?

-Just what?
-How are you doing, Gabriel?

So you can teach 'em
how to fornicate later?

So you can teach 'em
how to fornicate later?

So they can learn early?

You've got fornication
on the brain!

You've got fornication
on the brain!

I know, hon. That's because
that's what this generation
is all about. Fornicating.

I know, hon. That's because
that's what this generation
is all about. Fornicating.

THEROUX: One of the
pickets that afternoon

was outside a hardware store
that sells
Swedish vacuum cleaners.

was outside a hardware store
that sells
Swedish vacuum cleaners.

Apparently, Swedish authorities
imprisoned a local pastor

for preaching against
homosexuality,

for preaching against
homosexuality,

which was enough to make
the whole nation a target.

which was enough to make
the whole nation a target.

I'd seen some
of the youngest members
of the clan holding placards,

I'd seen some
of the youngest members
of the clan holding placards,

and I wondered
how much of the message
they actually understood.

and I wondered
how much of the message
they actually understood.

How old are you, Shirley?

How old are you, Shirley?

-Seven.
-Seven.

Do you know what
the sign means?

Do you know what
the sign means?

No.

No.

No?

Shirley, she doesn't
know what it means.

Shirley, she doesn't
know what it means.

Fags, troops,

Fags, troops,

flags, symbols,

they're all idols that this
nation worships above God.

they're all idols that this
nation worships above God.

they're all idols that this
nation worships above God.

Does that help you at all
or have I said a lot of words
that were too big?

Does that help you at all
or have I said a lot of words
that were too big?

Maybe she's just out here
making up numbers,

because she doesn't really
get it.

because she doesn't really
get it.

Noah, do you know
what fag troops are?

Noah, do you know
what fag troops are?

-Yeah.
-What?

It's this nation.

It's this nation.

All these fags.
It's a nation of fags.

That's what fag troops means.

That's what fag troops means.

It is a nation of fags,
that's right.

It is a nation of fags,
that's right.

Wait. You're not gonna let him
get away with that?

-No, I'm not gonna...
-Fag soldiers!

-No, I'm not gonna...
-Fag soldiers!

Okay, fag soldiers.

I'm sort of glad that they
don't understand it better.

I'm sort of glad that they
don't understand it better.

Noah, do you know what else
you could be, besides a fag,

Noah, do you know what else
you could be, besides a fag,

to be in trouble with God and
be included in that sign?

If you're not just a fag,
but what else?

If you're not just a fag,
but what else?

Swedish?

Erm...

Swedish and...

Swedish and...

And, erm, soldiers and...

And, erm, soldiers and...

But if you're not
a practicing fag, what are you?

But if you're not
a practicing fag, what are you?

What if you support fags?
What does that make you?

What if you support fags?
What does that make you?

You're a dyke?

You could say what you're
really doing is you're grooming
him into the weird behavior

You could say what you're
really doing is you're grooming
him into the weird behavior

You could say what you're
really doing is you're grooming
him into the weird behavior

that is characteristic
of your group.

I mean, if you want to explain
your moral outlook to him, you
could do that in a classroom.

I mean, if you want to explain
your moral outlook to him, you
could do that in a classroom.

Are you calling our service
to our God weird behavior?
Is that what you just did?

Are you calling our service
to our God weird behavior?
Is that what you just did?

-Yes.
-You don't get to call
our service to God weird

-Yes.
-You don't get to call
our service to God weird

and thereby make it so.

and thereby make it so.

Your statement doesn't make it
right, doesn't make it a fact.

Your statement doesn't make it
right, doesn't make it a fact.

-The world calls it weird.
-I don't care... Well, yes.

-The world calls it weird.
-I don't care... Well, yes.

And the world hates us.
Hello?

And the world hates us.
Hello?

THEROUX: The next morning
I was with Megan.

Phelps family members
are expected to hold down
mainstream jobs

Phelps family members
are expected to hold down
mainstream jobs

and give 10% of their income
to the church.

and give 10% of their income
to the church.

Many work as lawyers,
and Megan was hoping
to follow in that tradition.

Many work as lawyers,
and Megan was hoping
to follow in that tradition.

-So where are we going?
-We are going to Washburn.

-So where are we going?
-We are going to Washburn.

-That's the university
you go to.
-Yes. Yes, it is.

-That's the university
you go to.
-Yes. Yes, it is.

It's lovely.

It's lovely.

-Good stuff.
-Totally.

Do you want to be
a lawyer as well, then?

Do you want to be
a lawyer as well, then?

-Yes, I do.
-Like so many of
your aunts and uncles.

Yeah. I'm the only one
in my generation
that wants to be a lawyer.

Yeah. I'm the only one
in my generation
that wants to be a lawyer.

Yeah. I'm the only one
in my generation
that wants to be a lawyer.

THEROUX: By now
the church members had
learned a little about my life,

THEROUX: By now
the church members had
learned a little about my life,

and they knew that
I'd had a child with
my partner out of wedlock,

and they knew that
I'd had a child with
my partner out of wedlock,

a detail which seemed to
put me in the firing line.

a detail which seemed to
put me in the firing line.

Do you like going
to the pickets?

Yeah. Are you kidding?

It must get kind of old, though.

You don't get tired of pursuing
your sins and your lust.

You don't get tired of pursuing
your sins and your lust.

-Do I?
-I say you don't.

-Don't I?
-Because you keep doing it!

-Don't I?
-Because you keep doing it!

-Are you talking
about me, specifically?
-You, or anybody else.

-Are you talking
about me, specifically?
-You, or anybody else.

You don't get tired of
serving your lust, I don't
get tired of serving my God.

You don't get tired of
serving your lust, I don't
get tired of serving my God.

So should I be killed for
having extra-marital
intercourse?

So should I be killed for
having extra-marital
intercourse?

-According to the Mosaic Code?
-Yeah.

-According to the Mosaic Code?
-Yeah.

Uh, actually,
I'm not sure. I think so.

-I know adultery is.
-Wow.

-I know adultery is.
-Wow.

And homosexuality was.

You want to see me killed
for that.

You want to see me killed
for that.

I want to tell you the truth.

I want to tell you the truth.

This is interesting.
This is actually where you
go to college, isn't it?

Yes.

Yes.

-You have no friends here?
-No.

I have acquaintances.
People I go to school with.
They're not my friends.

I have acquaintances.
People I go to school with.
They're not my friends.

Do you have any
acquaintances that you like?

Do you have any
acquaintances that you like?

On a humanistic level?
That are friendly? Yeah.

On a humanistic level?
That are friendly? Yeah.

-Any guys?
-Yes.

What do you want me to say?

What do you want me to say?

If you saw a guy
in one of your classes

If you saw a guy
in one of your classes

and you thought he seemed nice
and had potential or whatever,

and you thought he seemed nice
and had potential or whatever,

and he said, "Do you want
to get a coffee?"
what would you do?

and he said, "Do you want
to get a coffee?"
what would you do?

Actually, that has happened
before, and I said,
"No, I'm sorry. I'm busy."

Actually, that has happened
before, and I said,
"No, I'm sorry. I'm busy."

-Why?
-Because, I have
other things to do.

-What was his name?
-I don't even remember.

-What was his name?
-I don't even remember.

-You do.
-Yeah, he was...

-You do.
-Yeah, he was...

What? Robert.

-Robert?
-Robert. I think.

-Robert?
-Robert. I think.

-Is that someone you know?
-No.

-Is that someone you know?
-No.

He looks like the guy
that asked me out.

-It's kind of gooey, isn't it?
-It's kind of gooey.

-It's kind of gooey, isn't it?
-It's kind of gooey.

But I know young women
sometimes think about
these things.

But I know young women
sometimes think about
these things.

Most women also have...

Most women also have...

A whole lot of lust
and fornication

A whole lot of lust
and fornication

and do a whole lot of things
that we don't do.

and do a whole lot of things
that we don't do.

Why do you have to
put it like that?
Why can't you say "make love"?

Why do you have to
put it like that?
Why can't you say "make love"?

Beause you're trying to
make it seem like
something that it isn't.

That's not what these people do.
That's not what you're doing.

That's not what these people do.
That's not what you're doing.

-How do you mean?
-'Cause you're not married.

-How do you mean?
-'Cause you're not married.

Get married, see?

Get married, see?

You seriously wouldn't mind
if you never got married

You seriously wouldn't mind
if you never got married

and you never experienced
everything that represents?

No.

-It wouldn't bother you.
-No.

-On a human level it would.
-You think so?

-On a human level it would.
-You think so?

It shakes it up a bit
when there's more than one!

THEROUX: And so my days
at the church wore on.

THEROUX: And so my days
at the church wore on.

As the time passed,
I could feel myself being
absorbed into the family.

As the time passed,
I could feel myself being
absorbed into the family.

-Ah!
-Sorry!

-Ah!
-Sorry!

As hateful as they could be
at the pickets, among
themselves the church members

As hateful as they could be
at the pickets, among
themselves the church members

had made a life that in
many ways was quite appealing,

had made a life that in
many ways was quite appealing,

almost as though their bond
with each other

almost as though their bond
with each other

had been strengthened by the
hostility of the outside world.

had been strengthened by the
hostility of the outside world.

With the girls, I began to see
a more human side
to their personalities.

With the girls, I began to see
a more human side
to their personalities.

Go see Fred!

What did you say?

What did you say?

I said, "Are you kidding me?
Who's going to marry us?"

I said, "Are you kidding me?
Who's going to marry us?"

And it was easy to become
desensitized to their message

And it was easy to become
desensitized to their message

and how provocative
it really is.

and how provocative
it really is.

(TIRES SQUEAL)

(TIRES SQUEAL)

See, they covered
their license plate.

See, they covered
their license plate.

I don't know what they
were up to. Uh-oh.
Did they hit somebody?

I don't know what they
were up to. Uh-oh.
Did they hit somebody?

Is he okay?

Is he okay?

Is he okay?

I'm sorry, hon.

I'm sorry, hon.

They had the license plate
down.

You all right, honey?

You all right, honey?

-Hey, bud.
-You got it all over you.

-Hey, bud.
-You got it all over you.

Hey, bud, I'm sorry, hon.

I knew they had to have
done something.

I knew they had to have
done something.

I am so sorry.

I am so sorry.

You want to go talk
to your daddy?
I'm sorry.

Hey, hey, you want your sign?

Let me wipe that off of you,
real quick, okay?

Let me wipe that off of you,
real quick, okay?

I'm sorry. Megan, can you...

I'm sorry. Megan, can you...

They are such cowards.
Who would hit a child?

They are such cowards.
Who would hit a child?

Who would do that?

It looks like here, Tim.

-I know...
-See that?

-I know...
-See that?

His eyes.

Do you see that color?

Do you see that color?

That's what was in that cup.

So it obviously
got around on him.

So it obviously
got around on him.

Seeing seven-year-old Elisha
get hit by a drink

Seeing seven-year-old Elisha
get hit by a drink

was a reminder that among
the victims of the Phelps

was a reminder that among
the victims of the Phelps

were their own children.

THEROUX: It was Sunday,
and I'd been invited along
to a church service.

It would be another chance
to meet the pastor

It would be another chance
to meet the pastor

and maybe have an interview.

and maybe have an interview.

Are the bags over there?

But first I had
an appointment with Jael

to help out with the chores
around the homestead.

to help out with the chores
around the homestead.

Do you see much of Gramps?

Do you see much of Gramps?

I spend time with him
every Monday and Tuesday.

'Cause I haven't seen
that much of him.

'Cause I haven't seen
that much of him.

I think he's gotten
kind of tired of you guys.

I think he's gotten
kind of tired of you guys.

-How can he be tired of us?
-Especially you.

-How can he be tired of us?
-Especially you.

-Why?
-And your impertinent questions.

He doesn't have much patience
for people

He doesn't have much patience
for people

asking a bunch of questions
that aren't relevant
to the ministry.

asking a bunch of questions
that aren't relevant
to the ministry.

You know,
when we were at your house

You know,
when we were at your house

and you said I was going
to Hell, you found that funny.

and you said I was going
to Hell, you found that funny.

-I did.
-Why?

Thinking on those things,

Thinking on those things,

it brings me pleasure to think
that the Lord

will vindicate His people,

will vindicate His people,

-He will carry out His wrath
because He is perfect.
-That made you happy?

-He will carry out His wrath
because He is perfect.
-That made you happy?

It doesn't make me happy to
think of you burning in Hell.

Okay.

Okay.

Does that make me
a better person than you?

No.

No.

You know God because
He sends the wicked to Hell

You know God because
He sends the wicked to Hell

and He saves the righteous.

That's comforting to think on.

That's comforting to think on.

Why couldn't you feel a bit sad
that I was going to Hell?

Why couldn't you feel a bit sad
that I was going to Hell?

Because it's according
to God's will.

So you have to
rejoice in all His judgments?

So you have to
rejoice in all His judgments?

Exactly.
That's a very good point.

If you got run over by a car,
would your dad be pleased?

If you got run over by a car,
would your dad be pleased?

If I got run over by a car...

If I got run over by a car...

I would be in Hell
and my dad would
probably be pleased.

I would be in Hell
and my dad would
probably be pleased.

-Really?
-Really.

-Really?
-Really.

I'm serious.
And we have to move on,
so come on.

Jael, that's crazy.

Jael, that's crazy.

In your thinking it's crazy.

It's good. Okay, come on.

It's good. Okay, come on.

(CONGREGATION SINGING)

(CONGREGATION SINGING)

THEROUX: A little later,
I joined the rest
of the church members

in the family chapel

in the family chapel

for my first experience
of one of Gramps' services.

for my first experience
of one of Gramps' services.

♪ He will be waiting for me

♪ He will be waiting for me

♪ Jesus so kind and true

♪ Jesus so kind and true

♪ After that day is through ♪

♪ After that day is through ♪

Is it true that
if I do something wrong,
Gramps could go loco?

Is it true that
if I do something wrong,
Gramps could go loco?

He won't go loco.
He'll just tell you
not to do it.

He won't go loco.
He'll just tell you
not to do it.

Would it be embarrassing
for him?

Would it be embarrassing
for him?

-No, it would be
embarrassing for you.
-Why?

There's no experience
quite like it.

There's no experience
quite like it.

Same-sex marriage,

by any name,
civil union or otherwise,

by any name,
civil union or otherwise,

by any name,
civil union or otherwise,

is the ultimate smash-mouth,
in-your-face insult

is the ultimate smash-mouth,
in-your-face insult

to God Almighty.

to God Almighty.

And you think He's gonna let
England and America

and the rest of this
evil world get by with it?

and the rest of this
evil world get by with it?

God Almighty has not joined
fags in holy wedlock.

God Almighty has not joined
fags in holy wedlock.

God no longer keeps America
safe. America's doomed.

God no longer keeps America
safe. America's doomed.

Getting the pants beat
off of us

Getting the pants beat
off of us

in Iraq and Afghanistan.

in Iraq and Afghanistan.

God is now America's terrorist.

God is now America's terrorist.

That's who Bush is fighting.

That's who Bush is fighting.

That's the terrorist
that he best be afraid of.

That's the terrorist
that he best be afraid of.

You tweaked His nose,
you jackass!

You tweaked His nose,
you jackass!

You tweaked His nose!

You tweaked His nose!

God put it in your wicked heart
to start that war!

God put it in your wicked heart
to start that war!

That's the message we've got
at the funerals
of these dead soldiers.

That's the message we've got
at the funerals
of these dead soldiers.

God duped you

God duped you

into starting a war

so He could punish you.

so He could punish you.

Any preacher preaching
in any other way

Any preacher preaching
in any other way

is a lying, hell-bound
false prophet!

It's almost 18 months now

and this siege has got people
eating their babies.

and this siege has got people
eating their babies.

And their small children.
And each other!

And their small children.
And each other!

You're gonna eat your babies!

You're gonna eat your babies!

God Himself duped Bush
into a no-win war

and He did that by the
technique

and He did that by the
technique

of putting a lying spirit
in the mouth

of all his trusted advisers.

of all his trusted advisers.

To punish America.

To punish America.

This shows that he's gonna
make at least two million.

This shows that he's gonna
make at least two million.

"Book sets off capital uproar."
At least two million.

"Book sets off capital uproar."
At least two million.

Maybe three or four million.

Maybe three or four million.

Pastor,
would there be five minutes

Pastor,
would there be five minutes

for a couple of questions?

Well, er...

Well, er...

-Yeah, five minutes. Shoot.
-Okay.

You know, I was struck
by your preaching, you referred
mainly to Old Testament,

You know, I was struck
by your preaching, you referred
mainly to Old Testament,

and it was almost as though
you felt we were living
in a time of Biblical prophecy.

and it was almost as though
you felt we were living
in a time of Biblical prophecy.

-Is that accurate?
-No, it's not accurate.

-Is that accurate?
-No, it's not accurate.

If you had just a little
knowledge of the Bible,

If you had just a little
knowledge of the Bible,

you'd know that what you just
said is stupidity in spades.

you'd know that what you just
said is stupidity in spades.

I don't know how to deal
with a question like that.

I don't know how to deal
with a question like that.

You're just too dumb. Sorry.

You've got the duty
to know the Bible
as well as I do.

You've got the duty
to know the Bible
as well as I do.

-Why?
-Because you're a human being.

-Why?
-Because you're a human being.

God Almighty made ya and
God Almighty's gonna
send your ass to Hell.

God Almighty made ya and
God Almighty's gonna
send your ass to Hell.

Is it accurate to say that
you regard the Westboro Baptist
Church as the only church

Is it accurate to say that
you regard the Westboro Baptist
Church as the only church

that's preaching according
to the word of God?

that's preaching according
to the word of God?

Is the three minutes up?
The answer to
your question is yes.

Is the three minutes up?
The answer to
your question is yes.

No, it was five minutes.

But I already talked two,
didn't I?

But I already talked two,
didn't I?

So there's three left?

So there's three left?

Do you believe the Westboro
Baptist Church and your
preaching is the only preaching

Do you believe the Westboro
Baptist Church and your
preaching is the only preaching

that according to
the word of God?

-Asked and answered.
Next question.
-Okay.

-Asked and answered.
Next question.
-Okay.

As far as you're concerned,
are the people of this church
the only ones now living

As far as you're concerned,
are the people of this church
the only ones now living

that will make it to the
Kingdom of Heaven?

that will make it to the
Kingdom of Heaven?

Asked and answered.
Next question.

Is there something
you'd like me to ask?

Nope.
I didn't wanna talk to you.
I didn't even wanna let you in.

Nope.
I didn't wanna talk to you.
I didn't even wanna let you in.

Isn't it an act of presumption,
a little bit, on your part,

Isn't it an act of presumption,
a little bit, on your part,

that when you don't have
all the information
about the other churches,

that when you don't have
all the information
about the other churches,

to assume you have
a privileged access to grace?

to assume you have
a privileged access to grace?

I know all there is
to know about them.

-How?
-I'm not gonna keep
talking to you.

-How?
-I'm not gonna keep
talking to you.

Didn't Steve Drain tell you
that you'd wasted an
opportunity

Didn't Steve Drain tell you
that you'd wasted an
opportunity

and they're probably
gonna fire you?

and they're probably
gonna fire you?

-You don't know anything
about me, Pastor Phelps.
-Yeah, I do.

I know all there is
to know about you.
You're just an evil...

I know all there is
to know about you.
You're just an evil...

I don't wanna go there.

I don't wanna go there.

-Okay, this is about 15 minutes!
-Okay. Thank you very much
for your time.

-Okay, this is about 15 minutes!
-Okay. Thank you very much
for your time.

Nice to see you.
And good luck to you.

Nice to see you.
And good luck to you.

Okay, guys.

Did you come
to carry some stuff?

Did you come
to carry some stuff?

God hates fags!
God hates fag enablers!

God hates fags!
God hates fag enablers!

Therefore God hates America
and all of her military!

Therefore God hates America
and all of her military!

The abominable, disgraceful,
filthy conduct

The abominable, disgraceful,
filthy conduct

that you think up to engage in,

you do it
and you're proud of it.

you do it
and you're proud of it.

Quit worshipping the flag,
dummy! It can't help you.

Quit worshipping the flag,
dummy! It can't help you.

I'd sensed a deep wellspring
of anger in Gramps

and I suspected that
this was the basis
for his church's ministry.

and I suspected that
this was the basis
for his church's ministry.

His skewed interpretation
of the Bible

had been handed on
to his children

had been handed on
to his children

and was now being
broadcast to the world.

The Phelps' had no interest
in winning souls to Christ.

The Phelps' had no interest
in winning souls to Christ.

In their world,
being hated was proof that they
were doing the right thing.

In their world,
being hated was proof that they
were doing the right thing.

As part of their ever-expanding
effort to reach into
every corner of America,

As part of their ever-expanding
effort to reach into
every corner of America,

the church had decided to
picket a soldier's funeral

several hundred miles away
on the outskirts of Chicago
in Skokie, Illinois.

several hundred miles away
on the outskirts of Chicago
in Skokie, Illinois.

several hundred miles away
on the outskirts of Chicago
in Skokie, Illinois.

For one last time,
I joined them.

For one last time,
I joined them.

So, erm, you're flying all
the way to Illinois...

So, erm, you're flying all
the way to Illinois...

Yes.

Yes.

...however many there are
of you,

just to picket this dead
soldier's funeral...

just to picket this dead
soldier's funeral...

-That's right.
-...for 45 minutes?

-Yep.
-Is it really worth it?

-Yep.
-Is it really worth it?

Yeah!

Look, hun,
they'll get the message.

Look, hun,
they'll get the message.

You've seen what it's created
all around this nation.

Good morning.

I'm gonna sit in the second row
unless somebody else
is already there.

I'm gonna sit in the second row
unless somebody else
is already there.

Where am I supposed to sit?

Where am I supposed to sit?

How much would you say
the church spends in
an average year on flights?

How much would you say
the church spends in
an average year on flights?

How much would you say
the church spends in
an average year on flights?

-A lot.
-How much?

-It's in the 200,000 range.
-Really?

-It's in the 200,000 range.
-Really?

$200,000. So, that's more
than maybe £100,000.

$200,000. So, that's more
than maybe £100,000.

-Yeah, I don't know the ratio.
-Just to go and spread hate?

-Yeah, I don't know the ratio.
-Just to go and spread hate?

No, to go and preach
the gospel.

No, to go and preach
the gospel.

Hate. God's hate.
I didn't say your hate.

It's very scriptural,
what I said.

It's very scriptural,
what I said.

Well, actually, that's true.

"His unit was supposed to end
its service in Iraq in August,

"but one day before Foyteck was
scheduled to leave,

"but one day before Foyteck was
scheduled to leave,

"he got news that it would be
sent to Baghdad.

"he got news that it would be
sent to Baghdad.

"He told his family he'd be
home in November instead

"He told his family he'd be
home in November instead

"and last week, his mother
mailed him his cell phone

"and last week, his mother
mailed him his cell phone

"so he would be able to call.

"Foyteck, 26, died two days
before Halloween,

"Foyteck, 26, died two days
before Halloween,

"shot in the neck by insurgents
during a raid

"shot in the neck by insurgents
during a raid

"on a house near Baghdad.

"In addition to his mother,
Foyteck is survived
by his father, Rik Gutzke,

"In addition to his mother,
Foyteck is survived
by his father, Rik Gutzke,

"In addition to his mother,
Foyteck is survived
by his father, Rik Gutzke,

"a brother Christopher
and grandparents."

Doesn't that
make you sad, though?

Doesn't that
make you sad, though?

It's very sad that these people
won't get the message.

It's very sad that these people
won't get the message.

All they have to do
is obey their God

All they have to do
is obey their God

and they'll stop the pain,
but they're not going to.

and they'll stop the pain,
but they're not going to.

-But that's abstract...
-It's not abstract!
It's so concrete.

-But that's abstract...
-It's not abstract!
It's so concrete.

We don't know anything more
than this article tells us
about Kraig Foyteck.

We don't know anything more
than this article tells us
about Kraig Foyteck.

No, we know two things.

Because he's been killed,
therefore he was
doing something sinful.

Because he's been killed,
therefore he was
doing something sinful.

I know that he was
fighting for a nation
that has made God their enemy.

I know that he was
fighting for a nation
that has made God their enemy.

THEROUX: But you don't think
there's any good people
out there in the military?

THEROUX: But you don't think
there's any good people
out there in the military?

This is all very plain and
simple, and you are not gonna
make me feel bad about this,

This is all very plain and
simple, and you are not gonna
make me feel bad about this,

This is all very plain and
simple, and you are not gonna
make me feel bad about this,

because I did not do that.
I'm doing this, though,
to help them.

Is there any danger of you
feeling bad about it?

Is there any danger?

Is there any danger?

Yeah, you say that
almost as though I
might have got through to you.

Yeah, you say that
almost as though I
might have got through to you.

No, you didn't get through
to me.

But you keep grinding away.

But you keep grinding away.

You view things
through what you see

and those things, the scripture
says, are temporal.

and those things, the scripture
says, are temporal.

They are gonna fade away.

If God is infinitely wise
and powerful and omniscient,

If God is infinitely wise
and powerful and omniscient,

then He could bring
a soldier up to Heaven
if He felt like it.

then He could bring
a soldier up to Heaven
if He felt like it.

Listen to you!
This nation thinks they are
all-powerful, all mighty

Listen to you!
This nation thinks they are
all-powerful, all mighty

Listen to you!
This nation thinks they are
all-powerful, all mighty

and those young men and
women fighting for
this country...

But you think that about
your church, too, don't you?

But you think that about
your church, too, don't you?

You're right.
We do have power and the power
comes from our God.

You're right.
We do have power and the power
comes from our God.

We have all the power.
And you stay tuned, because
shortly you're gonna see Him

We have all the power.
And you stay tuned, because
shortly you're gonna see Him

coming through the clouds
and executing judgment
on these people.

coming through the clouds
and executing judgment
on these people.

Isn't it possible that the
funeral is for a good man,

Isn't it possible that the
funeral is for a good man,

a righteous and a nice person,

a righteous and a nice person,

who doesn't deserve to have his
funeral picketed?

who doesn't deserve to have his
funeral picketed?

Not a chance, poopy pants.

Not a chance, poopy pants.

All right.

I'll speak with him.

I'll speak with him.

♪ Oh, wicked land of
sodomites... ♪

♪ Oh, wicked land of
sodomites... ♪

THEROUX: At the funeral,
I decided to break
away from the picket

THEROUX: At the funeral,
I decided to break
away from the picket

and go inside the memorial home

to see the mourners first-hand.

to see the mourners first-hand.

He was doing
what he wanted to do.

He was doing
what he wanted to do.

I have to honor that, as much
as I'm gonna miss him

I have to honor that, as much
as I'm gonna miss him

and I don't think it's fair.

and I don't think it's fair.

But he was doing what he
believes and what he wanted.

But he was doing what he
believes and what he wanted.

Kraig wanted to go in the army
when he first got
out of high school,

Kraig wanted to go in the army
when he first got
out of high school,

so he did what he wanted to do.
He did.

so he did what he wanted to do.
He did.

We just have to carry on his
memory and his honor

We just have to carry on his
memory and his honor

through other soldiers
and help other families.

(BELL TOLLS)

(BELL TOLLS)

Seeing the mourners
up close brought home
the reality of the grief,

Seeing the mourners
up close brought home
the reality of the grief,

but I realized I'd got as far
as I could with Shirley.

but I realized I'd got as far
as I could with Shirley.

Quit sowing to the flesh, Louis,
it's taking you to Hell.

Quit sowing to the flesh, Louis,
it's taking you to Hell.

Try as I might, nothing I said
made any impact on her beliefs.

Try as I might, nothing I said
made any impact on her beliefs.

Back in Topeka,
and while we've been away
a local Episcopalian church

Back in Topeka,
and while we've been away
a local Episcopalian church

and regular target of pickets
had caught fire.

and regular target of pickets
had caught fire.

For the Phelps it was another
sign of God's judgment

For the Phelps it was another
sign of God's judgment

and a reason to rejoice.

and a reason to rejoice.

You want to get a sign, Louis?

You want to get a sign, Louis?

For me to hold?
I don't think I can do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was nearing the end
of my time in the group.

Though I'd made
no headway with Shirley,

Though I'd made
no headway with Shirley,

I wondered if I'd fare better
with my fellow documentary
maker, Steve Drain.

I wondered if I'd fare better
with my fellow documentary
maker, Steve Drain.

But listen, now that I've come
to the end of my time here,

But listen, now that I've come
to the end of my time here,

are you curious to hear
my thoughts a little bit?

are you curious to hear
my thoughts a little bit?

I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Go ahead.

You know I spent a little
bit of time with the Pastor,

You know I spent a little
bit of time with the Pastor,

and I think maybe he's got
a lot of anger.

I sense that there's a lot
of anger in there. Maybe he's
a rageaholic, I don't know.

I sense that there's a lot
of anger in there. Maybe he's
a rageaholic, I don't know.

But perhaps this ministry
is human-focused
rather than God-focused.

But perhaps this ministry
is human-focused
rather than God-focused.

But perhaps this ministry
is human-focused
rather than God-focused.

Because I do know
the Bible's a pretty long book.

I haven't read all of it,
but if you pick and choose
efficiently enough,

I haven't read all of it,
but if you pick and choose
efficiently enough,

you can find virtually
justification for almost
any kind of behavior.

you can find virtually
justification for almost
any kind of behavior.

When I say God hates fags, okay,

When I say God hates fags, okay,

that's not the whole message
that we have.

That's the front burner issue,
that's the elephant in the room

That's the front burner issue,
that's the elephant in the room

that nobody else
is willing to talk about.

that nobody else
is willing to talk about.

That's not the only piece
of evidence that I would adduce
in favour of my argument.

That's not the only piece
of evidence that I would adduce
in favour of my argument.

I would also say that
the whole idea that we,
the Westboro Baptist Church,

I would also say that
the whole idea that we,
the Westboro Baptist Church,

the 75 or 70 of us
that are here,

are the only ones
going to Heaven,
everyone else is Hell-bound.

are the only ones
going to Heaven,
everyone else is Hell-bound.

If there was somebody else
out there

If there was somebody else
out there

who was preaching
the unvarnished word
of God, from cover to cover,

who was preaching
the unvarnished word
of God, from cover to cover,

we would have heard about them.

When you read the New Testament,
you get the sense
from Jesus Christ

When you read the New Testament,
you get the sense
from Jesus Christ

that he was kind of
a gentle spirit.

that he was kind of
a gentle spirit.

-If He did come back...
-He'd be holding this sign.

...in the spirit of the lamb,
rather than the lion
that they talk about,

...in the spirit of the lamb,
rather than the lion
that they talk about,

he would be picketed
by the Westboro Baptist Church.

he would be picketed
by the Westboro Baptist Church.

-I seriously believe that.
-You are seriously deluded.

-I seriously believe that.
-You are seriously deluded.

I'm preaching
what the Bible says.

I'm preaching
what the Bible says.

You're preaching
what your dark heart says.

I'm willing to talk with you,

I'm willing to talk with you,

-but you're just being
silly and specious.
-I'm not being silly.

-but you're just being
silly and specious.
-I'm not being silly.

Of course you are.
Of course you are.

-Want a ride back?
-I'm not being silly.

-Want a ride back?
-I'm not being silly.

I don't think you have
the truth. In fact, I think

you're running away
from the truth.

you're running away
from the truth.

What you're doing is,
you're just trying
to turn yourself into God

What you're doing is,
you're just trying
to turn yourself into God

by saying things ought to be
this way, things oughta be
thus and such.

by saying things ought to be
this way, things oughta be
thus and such.

You are the one who has
the God complex, Louis, not me.

You are the one who has
the God complex, Louis, not me.

But I don't claim
absolute truth, which is
something you do.

But I don't claim
absolute truth, which is
something you do.

-I don't claim it of myself.
-The idea that you
can pick and choose,

"These people are elect,
so we're nice to them,

"These people are elect,
so we're nice to them,

"but we're not really
gonna be nice
to those other ones."

"but we're not really
gonna be nice
to those other ones."

Have you ever seen me
be mean to a person?

I'm not talking about
you specifically, Steve,
I'm talking about the Church.

I'm not talking about
you specifically, Steve,
I'm talking about the Church.

I am the church.
I'm one of the members.

Did you rejoice yesterday
when that church burned down?
The Episcopalian...

Did you rejoice yesterday
when that church burned down?
The Episcopalian...

You're supposed to rejoice
over all of God's judgments.

You're supposed to rejoice
over all of God's judgments.

And do you rejoice
when soldiers die in Iraq?

And do you rejoice
when soldiers die in Iraq?

Absolutely I do.

Do you rejoice when people
are knocked over by cars
and get cancer?

Absolutely. I love it.
And I can tell you right now,

Absolutely. I love it.
And I can tell you right now,

because it's the righteous
judgment of God Almighty.

because it's the righteous
judgment of God Almighty.

Come on.

THEROUX: My time
among the hatemongers

of the Westboro Baptist Church
was done.

of the Westboro Baptist Church
was done.

I'd expected to meet a group
that causes pain to people
in the outside world,

I'd expected to meet a group
that causes pain to people
in the outside world,

I'd expected to meet a group
that causes pain to people
in the outside world,

but I'd been surprised to find
that the members of the church

but I'd been surprised to find
that the members of the church

are also paying a price
themselves.

are also paying a price
themselves.

Shut off from the world,
they preach a hatred

that is reflected back
at them, confirming them
in their beliefs

that is reflected back
at them, confirming them
in their beliefs

and ultimately
denying the right

and ultimately
denying the right

to a normal life to their
youngest members.

-Are we going to go in my car?
-Yeah.

-Are we going to go in my car?
-Yeah.

Mom, they're here,

Mom, they're here,

and they want to go somewhere
to get a drink, like
a coffee drink.

and they want to go somewhere
to get a drink, like
a coffee drink.

No. She said no.

Okay.

Okay.

-We have coffee in our house.
-Okay. Maybe we should
have a coffee here.

Would that be all right?

Would that be all right?

-How come we couldn't
go out and get coffee?
-I don't know. She said no.

-How's it going?
-Good.

-How's it going?
-Good.

Most 21-year-olds, if they
wanted to go out for coffee,

Most 21-year-olds, if they
wanted to go out for coffee,

they would be able
to do that without
their parents' permission.

they would be able
to do that without
their parents' permission.

That's true.

But I'm special!

But I'm special!

I listen
to what my parents say.

I listen
to what my parents say.

I respect my parents, so...

Do you think it's possible
that you are grappling
with more, erm...

Do you think it's possible
that you are grappling
with more, erm...

Do you think it's possible
that you are grappling
with more, erm...

Than the other women here?

No. What are you talking about?

No. What are you talking about?

I don't know.
I sense there's a little bit
more inner tension in you.

I don't know.
I sense there's a little bit
more inner tension in you.

-Inner tension?
-Yeah. A little bit.

-Inner tension?
-Yeah. A little bit.

Oh, no.

People who watch us
will be thinking

People who watch us
will be thinking

there's a very nice, charming,
attractive young woman

there's a very nice, charming,
attractive young woman

and it would be nice to see her

and it would be nice to see her

maybe opening her mind
a little bit

and moving out into the world

and moving out into the world

and maybe thinking in a few
years of settlin down
and starting a family.

and maybe thinking in a few
years of settlin down
and starting a family.

Why does everybody
have to get married?

Well, no one has to.

But why shouldn't everybody
have the choice?

But why shouldn't everybody
have the choice?

-I have the choice.
-You do and you don't.

-I have the choice.
-You do and you don't.

It seems that it is
so inculcated in you

It seems that it is
so inculcated in you

that the outside world
is this devilish, satanic place

that the outside world
is this devilish, satanic place

that, as you said yourself,

there's really no one
for you to go to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Who would even want to marry
someone that serves God?

Who would even want to marry
someone that serves God?

I don't blame you for being
born into a situation

I don't blame you for being
born into a situation

that was outside your control,

and I can also see that you're
coming to a time in your life

and I can also see that you're
coming to a time in your life

where you might start to
question some of those things.

where you might start to
question some of those things.

That time has come and gone.

I've already reached the age
where I have made the decision

I've already reached the age
where I have made the decision

of what I want to do
in this life.

of what I want to do
in this life.

Did you have a rebellious
few years?

Louis, if I ever was
rebellious,

do you think I would tell you
about it?

do you think I would tell you
about it?

I'm ashamed of any nonsense
that I've ever done.

I'm ashamed of any nonsense
that I've ever done.

When we started picketing,
when I was First Grade...

When we started picketing,
when I was First Grade...

Six years old.

Six years old.

So people have been
treating me

So people have been
treating me

the way that you see us
being treated now

since I was that young, so...

since I was that young, so...

I mean,
people didn't treat me right.

What did they do?

What did they do?

Well, nobody wanted to
talk to me, really, at school.

Well, nobody wanted to
talk to me, really, at school.

And, erm, they were ashamed
to be around me.

And, erm, they were ashamed
to be around me.

THEROUX: You know that sense
of being ostracized?

THEROUX: You know that sense
of being ostracized?

Uh-huh.

If you preach that the world
is hateful

and full of condemned sinners,

and full of condemned sinners,

then the world will start
to take that shape.

then the world will start
to take that shape.

Well, it's very simple.

Well, it's very simple.

We read scriptures and we tell
people what the standard is.

We read scriptures and we tell
people what the standard is.

We read scriptures and we tell
people what the standard is.

We don't do violence to people.

We don't do violence to people.

We, erm...

warn them that their sins
are taking them to Hell.

warn them that their sins
are taking them to Hell.

We do a courteous,
loving thing to them.

We do a courteous,
loving thing to them.

That's courteous and loving.

That's courteous and loving.

And they...

hate us.
And they beat on us.

hate us.
And they beat on us.

And they don't want anything
to do with us.

They're just downright mean
to us sometimes, you know?

What did we do to them?
Nothing but a courtesy.

What did we do to them?
Nothing but a courtesy.

So...

So...

That's quite a weird
kind of courtesy.

How is it weird?

How is it weird?

Going to funerals
and waving those placards.

Going to funerals
and waving those placards.

We preach to the living,
we warn them.

We preach to the living,
we warn them.

That's what we're doing.

Are you afraid
of going to Hell?

Are you afraid
of going to Hell?

Erm, I fear the wrath of God.

Erm, I fear the wrath of God.

I fear, erm, going to Hell.

I fear, erm, going to Hell.

But I certainly hope
I won't go there.

But I certainly hope
I won't go there.

I think you laughed at the idea
of me in Hell

I think you laughed at the idea
of me in Hell

because maybe it made you feel
that you weren't going to Hell.

because maybe it made you feel
that you weren't going to Hell.

I laughed at the thought of you
going to Hell because...

I laughed at the thought of you
going to Hell because...

I know you, Louis, and you're
a scoffer and a mocker.

I know you, Louis, and you're
a scoffer and a mocker.

It gives me pleasure to know

that the Lord will vindicate
His people

that the Lord will vindicate
His people

and He will glorify His own
name.

and He will glorify His own
name.

'Cause that's all this is about,
is glorifying God.

'Cause that's all this is about,
is glorifying God.

So...

That's why I smiled.

That's why I smiled.

-Come on.
-I haven't scoffed at you.

-Come on.
-I haven't scoffed at you.

Let's get out to the picket.

Rules that you should obey.

Did you do it for me?

Did you do it for me?

Yeah, I'm gonna let you have it
so you can carry it around,

so you can know all the rules
of obeying God.

so you can know all the rules
of obeying God.

Don't kill people.

Don't kill people.

Don't marry two people.

Don't lie.

Don't lie.

I think everyone lies
some in their life.

I think everyone lies
some in their life.

Maybe when they're a kid.

Don't act like a snake.

Don't act like a snake.

More especially you, I guess.

Actually, all of these, I guess.

Actually, all of these, I guess.

What does that mean,
act like a snake?

What does that mean,
act like a snake?

I can't remember.

(LAUGHTER)

(LAUGHTER)

-Hey! You were saying...
-No, Noah...

Don't say that.

Don't say that.

You've been saying
I act like a snake?

No! You clarify for him.

No! You clarify for him.

Yeah.

Don't act like a snake.

Then it says,
"Don't be sneaky."

Then it says,
"Don't be sneaky."

See, he was clarifying
for you already.

NOAH: Yeah.

NOAH: Yeah.