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[soft eerie music]
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♪ ♪
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- I had been, in total hon--
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called to the office
a couple times
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over "relationships
with students."
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And--
- For what specifically?
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- No, just the classic.
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It was the, you know,
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"girl hanging out
in your room," meal time,
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That kind of stuff.
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You know, and I'm just like,
"If you wanna investigate me,
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investigate me. Please."
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♪ ♪
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- Okay.
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What's public information
is he's under investigation
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on the TEA website
for misconduct with a student.
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We don't know what happened,
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and I don't know when we will
know what happened.
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- He sat down with us.
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He's been talking to us
about this.
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You told him,
and we've had conversations
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about grooming,
inappropriate relationships,
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all of this stuff for...
- Yeah.
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- A long time.
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For me, it's pretty simple.
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Are these--
is all this stuff true?
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Like the--are these real?
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Are these real text messages
between you and this student?
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And what were you thinking?
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- I'm just tying myself
into knots about this.
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- I can't help but think about
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the girl on the other end
of these allegations...
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♪ ♪
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Given the whole process
that we've gone through.
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Everybody who we've met along
this journey who's had--
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who's been in her shoes.
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I'm thinking about you.
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I'm thinking about Heaven.
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I'm thinking about Alisson.
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Yeah, personally,
I would not feel good
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if we didn't do
our due diligence around this
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just because of knowing
how this cycle continues
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is by people not getting
to the bottom of it
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and not exposing it.
- Yep.
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- And I'm not gonna contribute
to that.
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And that's, like,
what I keep coming back to
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with this Tom thing.
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You know?
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- [sighs]
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♪ ♪
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- I made the stupid-ass
decision of actually caring.
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Kids knew that they were safe,
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that they could come
and talk to me about anything.
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It was all done
with doors open
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and they told me
that I was being insubordinate
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by not following procedures,
which I don't quite understand.
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But I just felt like
I was used an example
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all of a sudden. Done.
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Districts have become
over reactionary
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and the fact
that I'm being singled out
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is kind of painful.
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For me, grooming
is a willful intention
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to drag the student into
a more intimate relationship.
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You know, "Can I see you?"
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It could be sending an image.
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It could be, you know,
an inappropriate text,
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if you try to instigate
private meetings,
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"Send me a picture of you,"
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"Oh, my God, that looks hot,"
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wanting to talk off-hours--
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that kind of stuff.
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To me,
that would be an instance
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of definite grooming.
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- So we saw some posts
on social media about
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purported to be texts
between you and a student.
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- Mm-hmm.
- I don't know
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if those were accurate,
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if they were those texts
or if they were--
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what context
they were given in.
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Do you have--
have you seen those?
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- Yes, I have.
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- Were those texts
that were between
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you and a student?
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- Yes, they were.
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♪ ♪
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I think that what the main
problem they had with it
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is they don't understand
the way
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that the Spanish language
works.
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There is two different ways
to say, you know--
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you know, "Love you,
have a great day, fantastic."
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You know, there's te quiero,
which is basically used
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in front of family
and friends.
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You know, I say that
to all my former students.
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Te quiero.
And there's the te amo,
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which is--that's a bit serious,
and you don't want to do that,
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um, in any way, shape, or form.
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So for me, all those texts
that I had--that I'd sent
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this particular student,
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were basically support.
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"Hey, nice hair.
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Love the change of hair.
Fantastic."
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In retrospect, yeah, probably
shouldn't have sent them.
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But at the same time,
any kind of support
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I would've be able
to give them,
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I don't regret that.
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♪ ♪
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- If my daughter was getting
those text messages
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from a teacher,
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I would be at the school
that same day.
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Period.
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End of story.
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Yeah, no, I don't believe him.
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I don't believe him.
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I can't believe him.
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The story with Tom
has this greater kind of arc
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of not understanding
where the line is
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and kind of placing the blame
on everybody else
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because he's not being able
to teach
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in the way that he wants
to teach.
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♪ ♪
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[light clattering]
[beep]
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[clattering]
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- We've been together
for 4 1/2 years now.
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I already know, like,
that is my life partner.
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You know, we are married
in our heads,
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even though it hasn't happened
in life yet.
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Heaven is the sweetest person
I know.
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You know, she's often described
as, you know,
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like a ray of sunshine
and I feel like
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that is the true Heaven.
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At her core she is just
so sweet and loving.
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But then no one sees
the hours she spends in bed
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just, like, crying
because there is so much--
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or she feels like everything
is on her
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and she is constantly
double-checking
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and second-guessing
every move that she makes.
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She doesn't expect
to be believed.
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She comes prepared
with every single thing
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I need to explain to make sure
that you are going to trust me
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because that is what everyone
else showed her
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she needed to do.
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It feels like
it would be chaos
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to be in Heaven's head.
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[soft sentimental music]
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- The teachers had--
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[inhales, exhales]
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♪ ♪
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The teachers
and the administration
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at my high school really made
me feel like it was my fault,
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and they played a role
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in, like, that psychological,
like--
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where you can't trust yourself
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because you're like,
"Did I do something wrong?"
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Like, it took me years
to understand
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that the stuff he had said
to me to...
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make me trust him,
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the "advice"
that he was giving me,
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was to have me under his wing
so that I would trust him,
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so that...
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♪ ♪
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He could get to know
what he needed to know about me
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to manipulate me, to groom me.
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♪ ♪
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There were just--
there were just a few things
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that I feel like
now looking back on it,
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it was right in my face.
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With what I know now,
I just think
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he had a motive
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and he was willing to do
what it took to get his way.
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[soft foreboding music]
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- The first comment
that I can remember
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that was, like, off was--
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I was leaving one day
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and he kind of, like,
leaned back in his chair
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and was just kind of, like,
looking at me
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and was like,
"I really like you."
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And I was like, "Thanks."
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Like, "I like you too.
Like, cool.
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This class is awesome."
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And he said, "No, I'm serious.
I mean, I like-like you."
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And so I didn't really think
anything of it.
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I just kept going on.
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And then
there was another time
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where he'd said, you know,
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"I don't know
if I've told you this before,
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but I struggle with insomnia."
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And he said, "And you know,
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"when the school year
starts again,
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"that sometimes can ramp up,
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"and I have, like, a problem
with my insomnia,
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"but I haven't been feeling
that way
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since we started working
together."
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- Something about the
admiration in his eyes
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as I was childlike
seemed comforting.
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Rarely was I rewarded
with kindness
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in moments of childlike
behavior.
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I remember being conditioned
to grow up
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before I knew
what growing up meant.
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It made us closer.
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He coached me through
some of this pain,
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opened portal to poetry
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that allowed me to make
friends with pen and page.
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I felt he was mentoring me
by sharing common experiences
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or giving me advice of, like,
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"This won't hurt you
for so long.
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"You'll be able to move away
and go to college
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"and, like, you'll start
to shape your life and these--
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"you know, the stress
that you're feeling right now
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won't be forever,"
and so I felt like
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I was getting a benefit
in that.
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♪ ♪
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He said, "Bring me everything
you've written
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in the last year."
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And a lot of it was, like,
gushy and emotional
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and, like, very embarrassing
if I had to read it now.
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He said, "You know, your work,
it's really immature."
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And I was surprised
and a little disappointed.
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I went from being good enough
that you invited me in
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to now I'm immature.
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So I kind of, like,
put that on myself
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of, like, what can I do
to be better?
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I had been writing a poem
where I felt like
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a boy I had a crush on
didn't like me back.
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He's like, "So you're feeling
disconnected from this person
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"that you're trying
to connect with,
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"and sex is like
a really intimate thing,
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and, like, can we maybe write
about that?"
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I did not write about
those kinds of things.
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I didn't really talk about
those kinds of things.
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And so he gives me
this example.
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And he says, you know,
"I wrote this last night.
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I was thinking about you."
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And he'd written a line
about lips to lips
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creating
like a double entendre
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of lips on your face
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and lips on...
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♪ ♪
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One day he was like,
"You can come sit over here
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by my desk," and he was like,
"You can sit closer."
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I was standing and he stood up
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and he put his hands
on my face.
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And, you know, I said no.
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Um, not very loudly,
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but I was uncomfortable.
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And he kissed me.
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And that's kind of what
started, like,
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a slew of other inappropriate
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and very manipulative
and exploitive behavior.
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♪ ♪
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I did things
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that I did not feel
comfortable doing.
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The reason why
I didn't scream or run
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or tell someone immediately
is because...
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when he would ask, you know,
"Can you go down on me?"...
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♪ ♪
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It was after an argument
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where he had said
that I was ungrateful,
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that I didn't value
the time and effort
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and...
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energy that he put
into helping me.
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[sniffs] You know, I was scared
that if I said something,
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I was going
to ruin someone's life
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who maybe cared about me,
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and at that time,
I was certain that he cared.
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His cold hands.
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The sharpness in his voice.
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My isolation.
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And during that time,
I just didn't know what to do.
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Like, way too much
for a 17-year-old to carry.
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The anxiety, like,
really started to kick in.
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I was having trouble
keeping food down.
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I really wasn't eating
very much,
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not sleeping very much.
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He had told me, you know,
"Nobody can know,"
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and so I was pushing
my friends away.
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And so this world that I had
worked so hard to create,
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where I had had friends
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and things I was
interested in doing...
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all of those things went away
284
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because of the pressure
and the guilt
285
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and the restrictions
that he made me feel like
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would benefit me if I did them.
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If--if you don't tell,
then, like...
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things are gonna be okay.
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And so I just went along.
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I tried to follow the rules
as best as I could.
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But once he was gone,
after we'd been physical,
292
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he was everywhere,
lingering inside of me
293
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and I wanted to itch him
off my skin.
294
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[eerie music]
295
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♪ ♪
296
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- Where can you go?
297
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Those are the people
you're around
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eight hours a day.
299
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Everybody condones
this authority
300
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that these men have over you,
right?
301
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I'm being told by everybody
that these men
302
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who are my teachers
303
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are the ones who are in charge
of me.
304
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That power dynamic, in a way,
is almost ultimate
305
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because everyone around you
is telling you
306
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to trust these people.
307
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I was sort of bred
to be this person.
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- So if you took
sort of the culture of Texas
309
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and you sort of concentrated
it down to something,
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it was Little Elm. Very small.
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I think there were 2,500 people
when I graduated high school
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in the town.
It was run by white men.
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Having your education guided
by white men
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and predominantly taught
by white men,
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having women's sports teams
run by white men,
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definitely gave the impression
and the idea
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that white men were superior.
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And when you have
a society culture
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where white men are
sort of ruling and in charge,
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it creates an environment
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that's not safe
for anyone else,
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certainly not safe for women
and girls,
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certainly not safe
for people of color,
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certainly not safe
for people who are different.
325
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[soft melancholic music]
326
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- I had told my friend
that things were going on
327
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and she had said, "This makes
me really uncomfortable.
328
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Do what you wanna do, but,
like, I can't handle this."
329
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And my best friend at the time,
330
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her mom decided
to call the police.
331
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And so I was pulled out
of my fifth period.
332
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And the police walk in and I'm
sitting there thinking like,
333
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"Oh, my God,
I know what that is."
334
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And so the police, you know,
they bring me upstairs
335
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into their resource officer
room
336
00:17:04,566 --> 00:17:08,279
and they start asking me
questions
337
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and I denied it, um,
338
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until they said,
"This is happening
339
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to other people,
and we know it."
340
00:17:16,412 --> 00:17:19,498
And, like, a switch went off.
341
00:17:19,498 --> 00:17:21,959
There were so many other people
342
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that felt that Mr. Meyers had
been inappropriate with them.
343
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You know,
some of my close friends
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that had said
he had abused them as well
345
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and I'm thinking, "How was he
abusing the both of us
346
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and we're sitting diagonal
from one another in class?"
347
00:17:42,187 --> 00:17:45,065
And then I was faced
with watching the news media
348
00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:47,359
broadcast the arrest
and seeing his picture
349
00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,654
and my story
in such a public way.
350
00:17:50,654 --> 00:17:53,115
- 40-year-old Jason Meyers
has been arrested.
351
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- Palmetto High School teacher
is behind bars.
352
00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,453
Jason Meyers is charged
with sexual battery.
353
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- Meyers accused
of having sex with a student.
354
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- A teacher who is accused
of sex crimes.
355
00:18:02,291 --> 00:18:04,209
- I was also very upset
356
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when I saw
they said my initials.
357
00:18:06,128 --> 00:18:07,588
- Okay, so he's, uh...
358
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[indistinct chatter]
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Alleged to have committed
a sexual battery
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on a minor by an adult.
361
00:18:12,676 --> 00:18:14,053
Let me take a look at this.
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The minor has initials H. R.
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- Following his arrest,
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00:18:18,557 --> 00:18:23,062
reporters showed up
at my house...
365
00:18:23,062 --> 00:18:28,609
followed my dad
on his route to work.
366
00:18:28,609 --> 00:18:30,986
You know, and they come
and they bang on the door,
367
00:18:30,986 --> 00:18:32,363
and you don't know
what's going on.
368
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You open it and people
are just screaming questions
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at you and I remember crying.
370
00:18:38,786 --> 00:18:40,371
By the time
I was back at school,
371
00:18:40,371 --> 00:18:41,955
everyone knew that it was me.
372
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My world was falling apart,
and...
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I have to go back to school
374
00:18:48,295 --> 00:18:50,506
because I still need to get
into college
375
00:18:50,506 --> 00:18:53,300
and life needs to have
some sense of normalcy.
376
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♪ ♪
377
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And I have my teacher,
and I sit down
378
00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:03,644
and she starts talking about
379
00:19:03,644 --> 00:19:07,481
"The girls involved
with this are lying."
380
00:19:07,481 --> 00:19:10,526
Jason Meyers
is a great teacher.
381
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He's a great man.
382
00:19:13,404 --> 00:19:17,366
Very, very quickly
it was this culture of, like,
383
00:19:17,366 --> 00:19:19,868
he's with us
384
00:19:19,868 --> 00:19:23,455
and you're not.
385
00:19:23,455 --> 00:19:26,333
[exhales]
386
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[dark unsettling music]
387
00:19:30,045 --> 00:19:33,382
- Nobody knows why
there's such a huge protection
388
00:19:33,382 --> 00:19:35,259
with Jason Meyers.
389
00:19:35,259 --> 00:19:37,428
Once a teacher gets arrested,
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00:19:37,428 --> 00:19:41,014
it has to go to the Department
of Education in Tallahassee
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00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:42,808
for a licensure investigation,
392
00:19:42,808 --> 00:19:45,602
and nothing was done
in Tallahassee
393
00:19:45,602 --> 00:19:46,603
with Jason Meyers.
394
00:19:46,603 --> 00:19:47,896
I don't know why.
395
00:19:47,896 --> 00:19:51,358
In 2016,
'17, '18, '19, and '20,
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his license
wasn't even touched.
397
00:19:53,402 --> 00:19:56,029
♪ ♪
398
00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:58,574
Parents have come out
to the school board meetings
399
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to talk about
the school district's penchant
400
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,287
for not caring.
401
00:20:03,287 --> 00:20:07,124
- There have been teachers who
have committed sexual crimes
402
00:20:07,124 --> 00:20:08,917
on our children,
and I want to know why
403
00:20:08,917 --> 00:20:11,128
these teachers
are being protected
404
00:20:11,128 --> 00:20:13,464
and not being held accountable.
405
00:20:13,464 --> 00:20:15,841
- This is a real issue.
406
00:20:15,841 --> 00:20:18,469
You have kids
who are out of the system,
407
00:20:18,469 --> 00:20:19,970
and five years later,
they're waiting
408
00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:22,598
to see their abuser in court.
409
00:20:22,598 --> 00:20:24,892
You guys allow this.
410
00:20:24,892 --> 00:20:26,852
You should be ashamed
of yourself.
411
00:20:26,852 --> 00:20:33,734
♪ ♪
412
00:20:35,652 --> 00:20:38,739
- It's unacceptable,
and it's gotta change.
413
00:20:38,739 --> 00:20:41,283
So we filed a lawsuit
under Title IX
414
00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:44,369
to hold the school board
accountable
415
00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:47,331
for failing to do its job.
416
00:20:47,331 --> 00:20:48,999
It wasn't
to just chase the money,
417
00:20:48,999 --> 00:20:50,417
just get the quick settlement,
418
00:20:50,417 --> 00:20:52,419
and let them sweep it
under the rug.
419
00:20:52,419 --> 00:20:57,341
It was to get the point across
that the system is broken.
420
00:20:57,341 --> 00:20:59,134
I don't think
the school board ever thought
421
00:20:59,134 --> 00:21:01,887
we would see it through.
422
00:21:01,887 --> 00:21:03,931
I think they thought
that they could throw money
423
00:21:03,931 --> 00:21:05,474
at the problem
and it would go away.
424
00:21:24,993 --> 00:21:26,912
[somber music]
425
00:21:26,912 --> 00:21:31,500
- The civil case happened
in fall of 2021.
426
00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,419
- The news media followed
the case considerably.
427
00:21:35,921 --> 00:21:37,714
- It's a teacher sex case.
428
00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:41,009
- What did Miami-Dade
school district leaders know?
429
00:21:41,009 --> 00:21:42,970
- The school got a warning
about Meyers
430
00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:44,930
years before his arrest.
431
00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:46,306
- Meyers' former student
432
00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:47,766
has already filed a lawsuit.
433
00:21:47,766 --> 00:21:49,268
- The student has filed suit.
434
00:21:49,268 --> 00:21:51,895
- She is Jane Doe in a lawsuit
435
00:21:51,895 --> 00:21:54,231
filed against
the Miami-Dade school board.
436
00:21:54,231 --> 00:21:56,108
- Suing the school board
was really difficult
437
00:21:56,108 --> 00:21:59,278
because it was me versus them.
438
00:21:59,278 --> 00:22:03,115
It wasn't the state
versus Meyers.
439
00:22:03,115 --> 00:22:06,159
And so they were going
to attack me,
440
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:07,995
and they did.
441
00:22:07,995 --> 00:22:10,038
They victim blame.
442
00:22:10,038 --> 00:22:12,332
They say, "Well, here are all
of the other things
443
00:22:12,332 --> 00:22:14,001
"that were wrong.
444
00:22:14,001 --> 00:22:15,711
Wasn't us."
445
00:22:15,711 --> 00:22:19,006
- They would go to any length
to avoid accountability,
446
00:22:19,006 --> 00:22:21,466
and so they threw money
at the problem
447
00:22:21,466 --> 00:22:24,469
by hiring so-called experts
448
00:22:24,469 --> 00:22:28,098
to support
their theory of defense.
449
00:22:28,098 --> 00:22:31,977
They also had a psychologist,
Dr. Shelia Rapa,
450
00:22:31,977 --> 00:22:34,938
who evaluated Heaven.
451
00:22:34,938 --> 00:22:39,526
Dr. Rapa was adamant
that she was not traumatized
452
00:22:39,526 --> 00:22:41,820
in any way and did not suffer
453
00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:44,489
from any sort
of mental health disorder.
454
00:22:44,489 --> 00:22:47,409
The other attack
they're making
455
00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:50,162
is social media posts.
456
00:22:50,162 --> 00:22:53,165
They thought that would
support their theory
457
00:22:53,165 --> 00:22:55,751
that she's doing fine,
that she's not damaged,
458
00:22:55,751 --> 00:22:58,545
just like their experts said.
459
00:22:58,545 --> 00:23:01,340
- It was just a really
ridiculous, comical thing,
460
00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:03,884
honestly, to us,
because they just tried so hard
461
00:23:03,884 --> 00:23:08,055
to paint that narrative
using social media.
462
00:23:08,055 --> 00:23:10,599
- We are
in the misogynist culture
463
00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,769
where women,
if they're not believed,
464
00:23:13,769 --> 00:23:17,147
then, you know, why would you
believe a teenager, especially?
465
00:23:17,147 --> 00:23:19,066
You know, there's something
ageist about this too
466
00:23:19,066 --> 00:23:20,943
that they couldn't know
what's happening
467
00:23:20,943 --> 00:23:22,361
or what did they do
to contribute
468
00:23:22,361 --> 00:23:23,403
to that situation?
469
00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:27,115
♪ ♪
470
00:23:27,115 --> 00:23:30,369
- People were
victim blaming me.
471
00:23:30,369 --> 00:23:31,787
There's been a lot of that.
472
00:23:31,787 --> 00:23:34,623
But I think I was
the number one perpetrator
473
00:23:34,623 --> 00:23:36,959
of the victim blaming.
474
00:23:36,959 --> 00:23:39,753
I was the person who did wrong,
475
00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:41,964
and then I was the person
that could take responsibility
476
00:23:41,964 --> 00:23:43,507
for it, and so in a way,
477
00:23:43,507 --> 00:23:46,134
I was taking responsibility
for everybody
478
00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:48,220
so that I could make it okay.
479
00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:51,181
- It's just so sad, honestly,
480
00:23:51,181 --> 00:23:55,769
and it just ruins
so many girls' confidence
481
00:23:55,769 --> 00:24:00,107
and it's a lot of unlearning
for a lot of people.
482
00:24:00,107 --> 00:24:02,693
You start that guilt cycle
so early.
483
00:24:02,693 --> 00:24:04,653
It's really hard as an adult
to come out of that.
484
00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:06,363
No matter how much therapy
you get,
485
00:24:06,363 --> 00:24:08,907
sometimes that guilt and shame
just lives inside you.
486
00:24:08,907 --> 00:24:15,789
♪ ♪
487
00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:26,216
- It's hard for me
to talk about...
488
00:24:26,216 --> 00:24:30,178
♪ ♪
489
00:24:30,178 --> 00:24:34,474
The sex...that happened.
490
00:24:34,474 --> 00:24:39,563
♪ ♪
491
00:24:39,563 --> 00:24:44,818
I feel a lot of, like, shame
and guilt around that.
492
00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:48,530
And the defense team
has kind of, like,
493
00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:51,742
really pushed to reinforce
this, like,
494
00:24:51,742 --> 00:24:53,577
"Well, you could've screamed.
495
00:24:53,577 --> 00:24:55,495
"You could've ran away.
496
00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:58,331
You could have told someone
immediately."
497
00:24:58,331 --> 00:25:02,127
- He gradually progressed
the sexual activity.
498
00:25:02,127 --> 00:25:05,297
There were instances
of fellatio,
499
00:25:05,297 --> 00:25:08,800
cunnilingus,
and sexual intercourse
500
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,346
inside the classroom,
behind the closed door,
501
00:25:13,346 --> 00:25:15,474
right under
the school board's noses.
502
00:25:15,474 --> 00:25:18,268
- I remember kicking my legs,
503
00:25:18,268 --> 00:25:22,689
right, left, right, my feet
unable to reach the ground.
504
00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:24,399
I turned to him, embarrassed,
505
00:25:24,399 --> 00:25:27,110
like a child who suddenly
became self-aware
506
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:30,489
of the space they took,
noise they created.
507
00:25:30,489 --> 00:25:33,658
He met my doe eyes
with eagerness--
508
00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:38,038
calculated, studious,
ready to pounce.
509
00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:40,332
I was a kid.
510
00:25:40,332 --> 00:25:42,209
[sniffles]
511
00:25:42,209 --> 00:25:45,170
[moody music]
512
00:25:45,170 --> 00:25:48,340
♪ ♪
513
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:51,176
- She had other dreams.
She had other passions.
514
00:25:51,176 --> 00:25:53,220
And they took that from her
515
00:25:53,220 --> 00:25:55,138
because they didn't
do their jobs.
516
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,976
- They really came after
my character
517
00:25:59,976 --> 00:26:03,396
and my family in that,
518
00:26:03,396 --> 00:26:07,484
and so it's turned
into something more
519
00:26:07,484 --> 00:26:09,194
than just what happened to me.
520
00:26:09,194 --> 00:26:11,321
♪ ♪
521
00:26:11,321 --> 00:26:13,615
And it has strained
relationships
522
00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:17,244
with people
in my immediate family.
523
00:26:17,244 --> 00:26:20,497
And now I'm living
with the aftermath of that...
524
00:26:20,497 --> 00:26:24,584
♪ ♪
525
00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:27,754
And I don't know where some
of the people in my family fall
526
00:26:27,754 --> 00:26:30,590
in my life since that.
527
00:26:32,509 --> 00:26:35,595
- She kind of sacrificed
her family by doing this
528
00:26:35,595 --> 00:26:38,056
not knowingly that she was
sacrificing her family,
529
00:26:38,056 --> 00:26:39,808
but her family didn't want her
530
00:26:39,808 --> 00:26:42,310
to go through
with the civil lawsuit.
531
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:45,772
And I think in a lot of ways,
Heaven is alone right now.
532
00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:48,150
- This stuff is so heavy.
533
00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:50,485
It's, like, hard for me
to, like, make friends
534
00:26:50,485 --> 00:26:53,488
or be myself around people
535
00:26:53,488 --> 00:26:55,866
because this is my life
right now.
536
00:26:55,866 --> 00:26:57,075
If this wouldn't have happened,
537
00:26:57,075 --> 00:26:59,578
my life would have been
very different.
538
00:26:59,578 --> 00:27:02,330
I don't know
that I would necessarily wish
539
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:05,917
for it to be different
because I do feel like
540
00:27:05,917 --> 00:27:08,628
a strong sense of purpose
with what I'm doing
541
00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:11,464
because I think
it will make a difference,
542
00:27:11,464 --> 00:27:14,593
so I'm happy to do it.
543
00:27:14,593 --> 00:27:17,095
♪ ♪
544
00:27:33,236 --> 00:27:35,989
- Once trial is over,
we sit down at a restaurant
545
00:27:35,989 --> 00:27:38,158
and we're waiting
for the verdict.
546
00:27:38,158 --> 00:27:40,076
And the second we sit down,
Mark is calling me
547
00:27:40,076 --> 00:27:41,369
and he says,
"We have a verdict."
548
00:27:41,369 --> 00:27:42,954
We ran into the courtroom
549
00:27:42,954 --> 00:27:44,331
and I'm sitting there
and it's, like,
550
00:27:44,331 --> 00:27:49,210
very, very, very quiet,
and the jury comes out.
551
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,338
The jury says yes,
552
00:27:51,338 --> 00:27:53,590
we found Miami-Dade County
Public Schools
553
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:55,300
to be deliberately
indifferent.
554
00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:57,552
It's, like, super reassuring
555
00:27:57,552 --> 00:27:59,638
'cause you're hearing
one by one the people
556
00:27:59,638 --> 00:28:02,265
that have watched it
from that outside perspective.
557
00:28:02,265 --> 00:28:05,268
They read the verdict, and it
was a $6-million verdict.
558
00:28:05,268 --> 00:28:07,687
[upbeat music]
559
00:28:07,687 --> 00:28:09,814
- And honestly, at that point,
560
00:28:09,814 --> 00:28:12,567
I could feel Heaven
sitting next to me
561
00:28:12,567 --> 00:28:15,278
have this cathartic moment.
562
00:28:15,278 --> 00:28:18,949
I, myself, was just overwhelmed
563
00:28:18,949 --> 00:28:23,286
with pride and hope.
564
00:28:23,286 --> 00:28:25,956
♪ ♪
565
00:28:25,956 --> 00:28:28,667
- And when we walked outside,
it was--
566
00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:31,086
it was like the skies
had just opened up
567
00:28:31,086 --> 00:28:33,296
and it just started to pour.
568
00:28:34,923 --> 00:28:36,299
And I started crying,
569
00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:39,844
and I felt like
it was my grandmother.
570
00:28:39,844 --> 00:28:41,721
The streets were flooded.
571
00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:45,225
It was raining so hard
and it was so windy.
572
00:28:45,225 --> 00:28:46,977
And I just...
573
00:28:46,977 --> 00:28:49,896
[soft sentimental music]
574
00:28:49,896 --> 00:28:51,898
♪ ♪
575
00:28:51,898 --> 00:28:55,151
In a weird way, I felt like it
was her saying, like,
576
00:28:55,151 --> 00:28:58,571
"Good job. You saw it through."
577
00:28:58,571 --> 00:29:02,867
- We're inspired that we won
in the civil case,
578
00:29:02,867 --> 00:29:07,080
but we are discouraged
that it's been almost six years
579
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,085
and yet the criminal trial
still has not occurred.
580
00:29:12,085 --> 00:29:16,673
Mr. Meyers was arrested
in February 2016.
581
00:29:16,673 --> 00:29:19,968
Criminal charges
were filed thereafter.
582
00:29:19,968 --> 00:29:23,513
He's being criminally
prosecuted as he should.
583
00:29:23,513 --> 00:29:26,182
And here we are in 2022,
584
00:29:26,182 --> 00:29:30,228
and he has yet to face justice.
585
00:29:30,228 --> 00:29:32,605
They're hoping
that they will exhaust Heaven,
586
00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:35,233
that she will lose the will
to fight,
587
00:29:35,233 --> 00:29:38,028
that she will lose the courage
to come back to court
588
00:29:38,028 --> 00:29:43,199
and tell her story again to try
to get a criminal prosecution,
589
00:29:43,199 --> 00:29:47,454
but that's not--
that's not the girl I know.
590
00:29:59,591 --> 00:30:00,717
- Do you think you'll want
a whole one of these rolls
591
00:30:00,717 --> 00:30:01,968
or just, like, half?
592
00:30:01,968 --> 00:30:04,137
- Um, just a half, please.
- Okay.
593
00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:06,181
- Thank you.
594
00:30:06,181 --> 00:30:08,975
I wish you could come with me
to Miami.
595
00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:10,643
- I know, baby.
When is that?
596
00:30:10,643 --> 00:30:12,187
A couple weeks?
597
00:30:12,187 --> 00:30:13,730
- Yeah, I am--
598
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:18,902
I have a hearing in two weeks
599
00:30:18,902 --> 00:30:21,529
to see if it's actually gonna
go to trial.
600
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:23,031
- Okay.
Yeah, I was gonna ask you
601
00:30:23,031 --> 00:30:26,785
how confident you are
that it actually does happen
602
00:30:26,785 --> 00:30:29,871
as it's planned.
603
00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:32,832
- [sighs] Yeah, that's, um,
that's the question, right?
604
00:30:32,832 --> 00:30:34,584
[soft music]
605
00:30:34,584 --> 00:30:35,794
- I'm definitely afraid
606
00:30:35,794 --> 00:30:38,421
that they decide
he's innocent,
607
00:30:38,421 --> 00:30:41,299
that it just becomes
the antithesis
608
00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:44,886
to what happened
with the other trial
609
00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:46,262
because I don't know
what kind of effect
610
00:30:46,262 --> 00:30:48,765
that would have on Heaven.
611
00:30:48,765 --> 00:30:51,059
You could argue this
is a more significant case
612
00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:52,769
than the other one 'cause
this is the actual person
613
00:30:52,769 --> 00:30:55,355
who did this to you, this was
the personal connection,
614
00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:56,606
the person
that built the trust
615
00:30:56,606 --> 00:30:58,191
and then ripped that away
616
00:30:58,191 --> 00:31:00,777
and was doing this
to so many other people.
617
00:31:00,777 --> 00:31:05,115
I'm really afraid
of that somehow going wrong,
618
00:31:05,115 --> 00:31:07,826
of somehow
they find him innocent.
619
00:31:07,826 --> 00:31:09,953
Our whole relationship
I have wanted
620
00:31:09,953 --> 00:31:12,163
these court cases to happen.
621
00:31:12,163 --> 00:31:14,916
They have been
the biggest, darkest cloud
622
00:31:14,916 --> 00:31:17,001
hanging over Heaven
623
00:31:17,001 --> 00:31:19,379
for the entire time
I've known her,
624
00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:22,298
and it has felt like
that is holding her back
625
00:31:22,298 --> 00:31:27,178
from being able
to see a future,
626
00:31:27,178 --> 00:31:30,265
to be able to look forward
to anything ahead of us.
627
00:31:30,265 --> 00:31:33,768
Like, we talk about a life
together, but you can tell
628
00:31:33,768 --> 00:31:37,063
that it doesn't feel real
to her.
629
00:31:37,063 --> 00:31:40,150
- Your partner's almost
as important as your friends
630
00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:43,570
and--or your therapist
or your parents or whatever
631
00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:46,322
and that they're kind of going
through this with you.
632
00:31:46,322 --> 00:31:48,658
- When Cheryl told me
she was thinking about
633
00:31:48,658 --> 00:31:52,704
doing something, I thought
maybe it would be a play.
634
00:31:52,704 --> 00:31:56,666
My first reaction was I wanted
to protect her from it.
635
00:31:56,666 --> 00:32:00,211
It seems scary to me
to put it all out there.
636
00:32:00,211 --> 00:32:02,922
But then once she started
sort of digging into it
637
00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:07,760
and I could see
it was a release for her,
638
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,846
it never leaves you.
639
00:32:09,846 --> 00:32:14,225
That kind of violation
of who you are,
640
00:32:14,225 --> 00:32:16,227
she'll never be able
to forget it.
641
00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:18,479
It'll never leave her,
but I'm hoping
642
00:32:18,479 --> 00:32:20,315
she can find some peace.
643
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,532
- The reason why I like
to go through these
644
00:32:29,532 --> 00:32:33,328
is because it gives me
a good frame of reference
645
00:32:33,328 --> 00:32:35,496
for what's gonna be asked
of me again
646
00:32:35,496 --> 00:32:37,540
when I go to trial.
647
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:43,379
So something that I think
the defense will try to do
648
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,758
during the case is try to ask
me really specific questions
649
00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:49,052
to have the jury hear me say,
"I don't know"
650
00:32:49,052 --> 00:32:50,511
as many times as possible
651
00:32:50,511 --> 00:32:53,473
because if I'm, like,
the lead witness on a case
652
00:32:53,473 --> 00:32:54,974
and I don't know,
653
00:32:54,974 --> 00:32:56,809
"She doesn't remember
anything," like,
654
00:32:56,809 --> 00:33:00,146
that's like their best shot
at saying he's not guilty.
655
00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:03,566
Beyond a reasonable doubt
is a hard thing to prove.
656
00:33:03,566 --> 00:33:05,652
I'm the only one
that the judge has approved
657
00:33:05,652 --> 00:33:07,528
to testify.
658
00:33:07,528 --> 00:33:11,407
Like, it's on me
to carry that through.
659
00:33:11,407 --> 00:33:13,785
And it's a lot.
660
00:33:13,785 --> 00:33:16,704
[melancholic piano music]
661
00:33:16,704 --> 00:33:22,126
♪ ♪
662
00:33:22,126 --> 00:33:23,169
- Good morning, Judge.
Jessie Freeman
663
00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:24,587
on behalf of the state.
664
00:33:24,587 --> 00:33:25,922
- We have sounding on Thursday.
665
00:33:25,922 --> 00:33:26,881
You wanna go ahead
and let me know
666
00:33:26,881 --> 00:33:28,466
what the status is now?
667
00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:30,343
- Yes, Your Honor.
State's ready.
668
00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:33,930
And I do have Heaven,
the victim on the case.
669
00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:35,974
She is present on the Zoom
as well as my trial partner.
670
00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:37,517
That date does work.
671
00:33:37,517 --> 00:33:39,811
We were looking forward
to going to trial now.
672
00:33:39,811 --> 00:33:41,104
- Defense is ready as well.
673
00:33:41,104 --> 00:33:42,939
That said, there are issues
674
00:33:42,939 --> 00:33:46,359
with the practicality
of it going on March 14th.
675
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:53,283
♪ ♪
676
00:33:55,952 --> 00:33:58,079
- Okay, good morning.
677
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,331
- Good morning.
- Morning.
678
00:34:00,331 --> 00:34:03,293
- Judge, state's ready
to begin trial on 4/25.
679
00:34:03,293 --> 00:34:05,253
The lead detective,
Detective Web,
680
00:34:05,253 --> 00:34:10,675
is in a--about a month-long
training in Alabama.
681
00:34:10,675 --> 00:34:13,052
What I discussed
with Mr. Horenstein
682
00:34:13,052 --> 00:34:16,222
was possibly picking a jury
the week of 4/25
683
00:34:16,222 --> 00:34:19,142
and then starting testimony
on the week of 5/2
684
00:34:19,142 --> 00:34:21,769
or in the alternative,
having Detective Web testify
685
00:34:21,769 --> 00:34:24,897
via Zoom at the trial
during the week of 4/25.
686
00:34:24,897 --> 00:34:27,400
- Defense,
what's your preference?
687
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,901
- Your Honor,
I'll object to both.
688
00:34:28,901 --> 00:34:30,653
- Okay.
689
00:34:30,653 --> 00:34:32,488
- Having the detective--
the lead detective on the case
690
00:34:32,488 --> 00:34:34,490
via Zoom is not going to work.
691
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:35,491
- I'm gonna be honest with you.
692
00:34:35,491 --> 00:34:38,703
We start Monday.
693
00:34:38,703 --> 00:34:41,122
I don't know that we'd be able
to pick a jury in a day.
694
00:34:41,122 --> 00:34:43,124
- Okay.
- Tuesday I have to finish
695
00:34:43,124 --> 00:34:46,169
no later than 4:00.
- Okay.
696
00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:48,338
- We're all gonna make
our best efforts,
697
00:34:48,338 --> 00:34:50,423
but I can't promise you
when it's gonna be done.
698
00:34:50,423 --> 00:34:53,509
- The State chose
to wait six years
699
00:34:53,509 --> 00:34:54,969
to decide
that they wanted the trial
700
00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:56,429
and waited until--
- Right.
701
00:34:56,429 --> 00:34:57,930
I understand
what you're saying.
702
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:59,390
You know, it's last-minute.
703
00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:02,352
I 100% agree,
but they're still timely,
704
00:35:02,352 --> 00:35:04,604
so I don't think that I should
impose the most
705
00:35:04,604 --> 00:35:07,273
onerous sanction
and have her stricken.
706
00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:12,695
♪ ♪
707
00:35:14,364 --> 00:35:17,325
[soft tense music]
708
00:35:17,325 --> 00:35:18,910
♪ ♪
709
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:20,745
If we're not gonna be in trial,
710
00:35:20,745 --> 00:35:24,040
I already have another trial
set second, waiting to go.
711
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,583
[laughs]
- Yeah.
712
00:35:25,583 --> 00:35:28,795
- Thank you, Mr. Meyers and...
713
00:35:28,795 --> 00:35:33,007
the rest of the people
that are on the Zoom.
714
00:35:33,007 --> 00:35:40,014
♪ ♪
715
00:35:40,014 --> 00:35:42,433
- It's just hard.
It's just really hard
716
00:35:42,433 --> 00:35:44,394
on my emotions and...
717
00:35:44,394 --> 00:35:47,397
[cries]
718
00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:54,404
♪ ♪
719
00:35:56,906 --> 00:35:59,158
That's, like, the reality
of being victim.
720
00:35:59,158 --> 00:36:01,869
It's...
721
00:36:01,869 --> 00:36:05,415
extensive, unreasonable delays,
722
00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:08,835
lots of back and forth.
723
00:36:08,835 --> 00:36:10,753
Does waiting six years
for trial,
724
00:36:10,753 --> 00:36:12,672
is that "speedy"?
725
00:36:12,672 --> 00:36:19,595
♪ ♪
726
00:36:36,487 --> 00:36:40,074
- I think too often we...
727
00:36:40,074 --> 00:36:44,078
we put pressure on the victims
to explain to us
728
00:36:44,078 --> 00:36:46,539
their trauma, their experience
729
00:36:46,539 --> 00:36:52,462
to teach us and educate us
about what they've gone through
730
00:36:52,462 --> 00:36:55,047
so that we have
a better understanding of it.
731
00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:59,135
And that's putting too much
of the onus on the victims
732
00:36:59,135 --> 00:37:02,638
to take responsibility
for what was, in fact,
733
00:37:02,638 --> 00:37:06,476
done to them by somebody else.
734
00:37:08,895 --> 00:37:11,564
We don't spend enough time
pointing the finger
735
00:37:11,564 --> 00:37:13,983
at the perpetrator
of the crime.
736
00:37:13,983 --> 00:37:15,234
We need to talk about
737
00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:17,945
how the perpetrators
need to change,
738
00:37:17,945 --> 00:37:22,492
not how we need
to avoid being victimized.
739
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:29,665
[moody music]
740
00:37:29,665 --> 00:37:32,627
♪ ♪
741
00:37:32,627 --> 00:37:35,213
You know,
people keep asking me
742
00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:40,551
if I feel like
I've found resolution
743
00:37:40,551 --> 00:37:43,888
or if I feel healed in any way.
744
00:37:44,972 --> 00:37:48,684
And I look
at the different ways
745
00:37:48,684 --> 00:37:52,897
that Heaven and Alisson and I
746
00:37:52,897 --> 00:37:56,275
have all processed
through our trauma.
747
00:37:56,275 --> 00:37:58,444
And for Alisson,
748
00:37:58,444 --> 00:38:04,075
she sat in a room and spent
time with her journals
749
00:38:04,075 --> 00:38:06,494
and then she wrote a memoir.
750
00:38:06,494 --> 00:38:13,042
And for Heaven, she decided
that the legal system
751
00:38:13,042 --> 00:38:15,586
was the way that she was going
to process through her trauma.
752
00:38:15,586 --> 00:38:18,464
♪ ♪
753
00:38:18,464 --> 00:38:21,300
For me, I decided
to make a documentary
754
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,845
because that was the way
that I processed
755
00:38:23,845 --> 00:38:26,055
through my pain,
and I'm a filmmaker,
756
00:38:26,055 --> 00:38:28,891
and so that's how I wanted
to process my trauma.
757
00:38:28,891 --> 00:38:33,563
♪ ♪
758
00:38:33,563 --> 00:38:39,110
I think in looking at our three
very different experiences,
759
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:41,904
what I've realized is,
760
00:38:41,904 --> 00:38:46,158
at the end of that road...
761
00:38:46,158 --> 00:38:48,744
in a way,
there is no resolution
762
00:38:48,744 --> 00:38:54,792
because there is no way to tie
this experience up in a bow
763
00:38:54,792 --> 00:38:58,713
and, you know, put it away
on a shelf.
764
00:38:58,713 --> 00:39:00,006
[Daniel Farrant's
"Who's Gonna Fix It"]
765
00:39:00,006 --> 00:39:01,424
- ♪ Don't you know
that you gotta ♪
766
00:39:01,424 --> 00:39:04,010
♪ Take some of the blame ♪
767
00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:09,599
♪ You said those unkind words
'cause you think it's a game ♪
768
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,100
♪ Well, it's not ♪
769
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:15,688
♪ And it's got real serious ♪
770
00:39:15,688 --> 00:39:16,981
♪ Who's gonna fix it? ♪
771
00:39:16,981 --> 00:39:18,149
♪ Time to give it up ♪
772
00:39:18,149 --> 00:39:19,692
♪ Look around, get found ♪
773
00:39:19,692 --> 00:39:21,944
♪ But it don't
make a new sound ♪
774
00:39:21,944 --> 00:39:24,655
♪ No joke 'cause it's broke ♪
775
00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:27,491
♪ Who's gonna fix it? ♪
776
00:39:27,491 --> 00:39:29,827
♪ Who's gonna
fix it? ♪
777
00:39:29,827 --> 00:39:36,751
♪ ♪
778
00:39:52,975 --> 00:39:56,270
- This is what we've been
living with forever,
779
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:59,899
so it would have
to take something enormous
780
00:39:59,899 --> 00:40:01,692
to change here.
781
00:40:01,692 --> 00:40:06,364
When you think about teaching
children about consent,
782
00:40:06,364 --> 00:40:09,033
that's actually a huge thing,
783
00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:11,160
but it's something small
that we can do
784
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,079
in our everyday lives
785
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,290
that is radically different
from my experience.
786
00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:18,668
♪ ♪
787
00:40:18,668 --> 00:40:20,962
- I think
it is incredibly important
788
00:40:20,962 --> 00:40:24,423
for parents, for teachers,
for administrators,
789
00:40:24,423 --> 00:40:28,427
for adults to understand
how this happens,
790
00:40:28,427 --> 00:40:30,471
to be able to identify
the stages of grooming
791
00:40:30,471 --> 00:40:34,141
and to feel confident
and empowered
792
00:40:34,141 --> 00:40:36,060
to say something.
793
00:40:38,813 --> 00:40:42,316
- I don't really know
what's next after this either,
794
00:40:42,316 --> 00:40:45,027
but I don't feel like
I'm done yet.
795
00:40:45,027 --> 00:40:47,780
It's not really what I want
to do with my life,
796
00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:48,906
but...
797
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,160
To feel fulfilled
within myself,
798
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,163
like, I can't put it down.
799
00:40:56,163 --> 00:40:59,250
I feel like there's still
so much more to do.
800
00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:01,711
♪ ♪
801
00:41:01,711 --> 00:41:04,380
- Hopefully,
by telling your story,
802
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:06,590
you can inspire other girls,
803
00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:08,175
you can raise awareness,
804
00:41:08,175 --> 00:41:10,177
you can create a vocabulary.
805
00:41:10,177 --> 00:41:12,763
You might even be able
to change some laws.
806
00:41:12,763 --> 00:41:14,807
No matter how you come forward,
807
00:41:14,807 --> 00:41:20,062
it's a difficult, painful,
ugly, messy process.
808
00:41:20,062 --> 00:41:23,941
It...it stays with you
for your whole life.
809
00:41:23,941 --> 00:41:30,865
♪ ♪
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