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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,180 --> 00:00:14,620 December 2010 2 00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:19,181 started as a perfectly ordinary month. 3 00:00:20,381 --> 00:00:22,422 The thing that changed everything 4 00:00:22,502 --> 00:00:27,143 was the weekend when Joanna Yeates disappeared. 5 00:00:30,663 --> 00:00:32,064 She's vanished, 6 00:00:32,144 --> 00:00:33,784 literally vanished into thin air. 7 00:00:36,024 --> 00:00:37,345 It was an awful journey 8 00:00:37,425 --> 00:00:39,585 for the family of Joanna Yeates. 9 00:00:39,665 --> 00:00:42,546 In front of cameras invited to record the moment, 10 00:00:42,626 --> 00:00:44,946 they went to the place where her body was found. 11 00:00:45,866 --> 00:00:49,546 The press interest was immense. 12 00:00:49,547 --> 00:00:50,586 Joanna Yeates. 13 00:00:50,587 --> 00:00:51,907 - Joanna Yeates. - Joanna Yeates. 14 00:00:52,907 --> 00:00:53,987 Are you able to give us 15 00:00:53,988 --> 00:00:55,347 any detail of what it was you told them? 16 00:00:55,348 --> 00:00:56,588 I'm afraid not, No. 17 00:00:56,668 --> 00:00:59,469 Anything that I have said, I have said to the police, 18 00:00:59,549 --> 00:01:02,309 and I'm not prepared to make any comments to the media. 19 00:01:02,389 --> 00:01:06,550 The press absolutely annihilated Chris Jefferies. 20 00:01:06,630 --> 00:01:08,790 It was open season. 21 00:01:10,111 --> 00:01:11,551 Much to my astonishment, 22 00:01:11,631 --> 00:01:15,392 I was arrested on suspicion of Jo's murder. 23 00:01:17,192 --> 00:01:19,352 The police were clearly affected by 24 00:01:19,432 --> 00:01:22,033 what was being written in the papers. 25 00:01:22,113 --> 00:01:24,633 10,000 pounds Jefferies is your man. 26 00:01:27,274 --> 00:01:30,274 How on earth can he have a fair trial? 27 00:01:31,235 --> 00:01:33,555 It was just that insatiable need 28 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:35,115 to get the exclusives. 29 00:01:35,475 --> 00:01:38,436 It was detracting from the hunt for Jo Yeates' killer. 30 00:01:39,436 --> 00:01:41,957 This was no longer about Jo. 31 00:01:42,037 --> 00:01:44,117 It was all about the story. 32 00:01:44,917 --> 00:01:46,758 It was almost like she'd been forgotten, 33 00:01:46,838 --> 00:01:49,118 like her death was incidental. 34 00:02:18,764 --> 00:02:20,124 Go ahead, caller. 35 00:02:20,204 --> 00:02:23,284 Okay, basically, I'd gone away for the weekend 36 00:02:23,364 --> 00:02:27,525 and I come back to find my girlfriend's not here 37 00:02:27,605 --> 00:02:28,925 when she was expected to be, 38 00:02:29,606 --> 00:02:32,766 and all her important stuff is still in the flat, 39 00:02:33,686 --> 00:02:38,367 such as her wallet, her keys, her phone, her glasses, everything, 40 00:02:39,888 --> 00:02:41,848 and basically I've just found that now, 41 00:02:41,928 --> 00:02:44,184 thinking that she'd come home late and she'd be here, 42 00:02:44,208 --> 00:02:45,649 but she isn't. 43 00:02:45,729 --> 00:02:47,129 And what's her name, please? 44 00:02:48,449 --> 00:02:49,769 Joanna Yeates. 45 00:02:56,971 --> 00:02:58,451 My name is Richard Bunston. 46 00:02:59,291 --> 00:03:01,372 In 2010, I was a detective 47 00:03:01,452 --> 00:03:04,212 on Avon and Somerset's major crime investigation team. 48 00:03:09,413 --> 00:03:12,574 Joanna's boyfriend Greg had been in Sheffield 49 00:03:14,294 --> 00:03:17,935 and was calling her and texting her repeatedly 50 00:03:18,015 --> 00:03:20,655 for a couple of days with no response. 51 00:03:25,376 --> 00:03:27,616 Greg came back to the flat, rang her phone, 52 00:03:27,696 --> 00:03:29,057 and it was ringing in her pocket. 53 00:03:30,857 --> 00:03:31,937 Her keys were there. 54 00:03:33,738 --> 00:03:35,578 Her shoes were there. Her coat was there. 55 00:03:37,058 --> 00:03:39,939 She's vanished, literally vanished into thin air. 56 00:03:50,101 --> 00:03:54,061 Every missing person is investigated in the same way. 57 00:03:54,141 --> 00:03:56,822 You look at movements, you look at phone use, 58 00:03:56,902 --> 00:03:58,318 you look at friends, 59 00:03:58,342 --> 00:04:00,983 you look at the last people they had contact with, 60 00:04:01,063 --> 00:04:03,743 and you build a timeline, and Jo was no different. 61 00:04:06,664 --> 00:04:09,023 We started inquiries to check out that 62 00:04:09,024 --> 00:04:11,265 Greg had been where he said he had been. 63 00:04:14,185 --> 00:04:15,424 It was very easy to ascertain 64 00:04:15,425 --> 00:04:17,826 that he'd been up in Sheffield, visiting friends and family. 65 00:04:19,746 --> 00:04:22,227 She and Greg had a very strong relationship. 66 00:04:22,307 --> 00:04:23,947 There was never a suggestion 67 00:04:24,027 --> 00:04:26,307 that they'd been having any kind of issues or anything. 68 00:04:27,988 --> 00:04:30,188 We didn't know if there was mental health issues, 69 00:04:30,268 --> 00:04:31,909 drugs or alcohol issues. 70 00:04:32,949 --> 00:04:35,549 Unfortunately, their flat is close to 71 00:04:36,229 --> 00:04:39,470 Clifton Suspension Bridge, which was a notorious 72 00:04:40,430 --> 00:04:43,431 location for people to commit suicide from. 73 00:04:48,512 --> 00:04:50,512 But there was absolutely nothing. 74 00:04:50,592 --> 00:04:53,593 She was happy at work, was popular with her friends. 75 00:04:54,433 --> 00:04:58,514 There was absolutely no reason for Jo to go missing. 76 00:05:05,875 --> 00:05:08,115 The night that Jo was last seen, 77 00:05:08,195 --> 00:05:11,676 we eventually pieced together the movements from CCTV. 78 00:05:14,076 --> 00:05:18,877 She went from work to meet friends in Ram's bar in Bristol, 79 00:05:22,598 --> 00:05:24,838 and then visited a couple of different supermarkets. 80 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:31,600 She'd gone to the shops, bought some cider, 81 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,280 told her friends that she was gonna be baking all weekend. 82 00:05:51,884 --> 00:05:54,484 We were able to find the receipt 83 00:05:54,564 --> 00:05:58,525 for items that she'd purchased that evening on her way home, 84 00:05:59,125 --> 00:06:01,404 so the assumption therefore is that she's got home 85 00:06:01,405 --> 00:06:02,806 and has gone missing from home. 86 00:06:05,326 --> 00:06:06,926 My name is Christopher Jefferies. 87 00:06:07,406 --> 00:06:10,207 I was Joanna Yeates' landlord. 88 00:06:11,847 --> 00:06:14,488 My flat was on the first floor 89 00:06:14,568 --> 00:06:18,328 on the other side of the building to Jo's. 90 00:06:22,289 --> 00:06:25,650 When Joanna Yeates disappeared, 91 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:29,251 the first thing that her boyfriend Greg did 92 00:06:29,331 --> 00:06:30,971 was to give me a ring. 93 00:06:34,652 --> 00:06:38,972 Greg wanted to know whether I had any idea at all 94 00:06:39,052 --> 00:06:41,573 as to where she might be. 95 00:06:44,853 --> 00:06:47,534 I had met Jo once or twice 96 00:06:47,614 --> 00:06:51,215 after Jo and her boyfriend moved in. 97 00:06:54,055 --> 00:06:57,736 I can't claim to have known her particularly well 98 00:06:57,816 --> 00:07:01,376 because she'd only been in there a month or two 99 00:07:01,377 --> 00:07:03,777 at the time of her disappearance. 100 00:07:05,337 --> 00:07:06,898 There was one occasion. 101 00:07:06,978 --> 00:07:11,298 There was a leak into her flat from the flat above, 102 00:07:11,378 --> 00:07:15,739 so I was contacted to see what could be done. 103 00:07:19,220 --> 00:07:21,180 She was very, very pleasant. 104 00:07:23,141 --> 00:07:26,581 She was perhaps a little bit nervous. 105 00:07:28,422 --> 00:07:30,422 I say she was a little bit nervous 106 00:07:30,502 --> 00:07:33,463 because she was just slightly hesitant 107 00:07:33,543 --> 00:07:35,943 at letting me into the flat. 108 00:07:40,344 --> 00:07:41,904 Everyone in that building 109 00:07:41,944 --> 00:07:44,025 needed to be treated as a potential suspect. 110 00:07:45,985 --> 00:07:47,865 I was interviewed by the police 111 00:07:47,945 --> 00:07:50,826 following Jo's disappearance. 112 00:07:52,946 --> 00:07:55,547 On the night that Jo disappeared, 113 00:07:56,347 --> 00:08:01,508 I had arrived back in the evening at about nine o'clock. 114 00:08:01,548 --> 00:08:03,828 I had been to the gym. 115 00:08:05,109 --> 00:08:07,748 I went straight into my flat 116 00:08:07,749 --> 00:08:11,910 and I spent the rest of the evening in the flat. 117 00:08:17,951 --> 00:08:21,952 The police searched the grounds of the house. 118 00:08:25,072 --> 00:08:30,113 People, they were baffled as to what had happened because 119 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:33,154 there was no sign of a break-in. 120 00:08:36,955 --> 00:08:39,515 I had keys to the flat. 121 00:08:44,276 --> 00:08:45,555 But there was absolutely 122 00:08:45,556 --> 00:08:49,597 no evidence or clues or idea where she was. 123 00:08:55,318 --> 00:08:56,358 Like any big city. 124 00:08:56,438 --> 00:08:59,839 Bristol had more than its fair share of missing persons. 125 00:09:01,359 --> 00:09:04,640 There are so many of those almost on a daily basis, 126 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,600 and not all of them end up being publicized. 127 00:09:09,281 --> 00:09:12,561 Jo's disappearance was completely out of character. 128 00:09:12,641 --> 00:09:14,442 We need to publicise this. 129 00:09:14,522 --> 00:09:17,002 We need to try and find Jo and find out what's happened to her. 130 00:09:19,963 --> 00:09:21,843 A press release from Avon and Somerset Police 131 00:09:21,923 --> 00:09:24,643 arrived in our inbox, which notified us 132 00:09:24,723 --> 00:09:26,100 that Joanna Yeates had been missing 133 00:09:26,124 --> 00:09:28,324 after a night out in Clifton. 134 00:09:32,925 --> 00:09:34,085 You engage with the media 135 00:09:34,165 --> 00:09:35,646 because you need the public's help. 136 00:09:38,006 --> 00:09:40,927 The dream scenario is that you engage with the media, 137 00:09:41,007 --> 00:09:42,263 you get the messages out there, 138 00:09:42,287 --> 00:09:44,487 and all being well, very quickly. 139 00:09:44,567 --> 00:09:46,047 The person concerned is found 140 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:47,408 and they're found safe and well. 141 00:09:48,888 --> 00:09:51,649 But the job of a crime reporter isn't necessarily 142 00:09:51,729 --> 00:09:54,569 just to regurgitate what the police are telling them, 143 00:09:54,889 --> 00:09:57,570 but actually to tell the public the whole story 144 00:09:57,650 --> 00:09:59,890 as much as they possibly can. 145 00:10:02,050 --> 00:10:05,291 As a local crime reporter, you go door knocking, 146 00:10:05,371 --> 00:10:08,571 and I recall going up to her house down Canynge Road, 147 00:10:08,572 --> 00:10:11,332 trying to speak to neighbors, just trying to piece together 148 00:10:11,412 --> 00:10:13,893 if anyone had seen her, heard from her. 149 00:10:17,813 --> 00:10:20,574 My flat was on the first floor. 150 00:10:22,974 --> 00:10:26,615 Joanna had rented one of the garden flats 151 00:10:26,695 --> 00:10:29,216 on the other side of the building. 152 00:10:31,736 --> 00:10:35,536 I remember buzzing on the buzzer and Christopher answered. 153 00:10:35,537 --> 00:10:36,576 He didn't come down. 154 00:10:36,577 --> 00:10:39,337 He just answered on the intercom, but he didn't want speak. 155 00:10:43,538 --> 00:10:45,939 I was going to avoid the press 156 00:10:46,019 --> 00:10:47,539 as far as possible. 157 00:11:13,984 --> 00:11:15,704 Jo's friends had set up a Facebook page 158 00:11:15,784 --> 00:11:17,384 to try and find her. 159 00:11:19,505 --> 00:11:21,425 This is only 15 years ago, 160 00:11:21,505 --> 00:11:24,426 but the social media landscape back then wasn't a landscape, 161 00:11:24,466 --> 00:11:25,522 it was a garden. 162 00:11:25,546 --> 00:11:29,587 That was really one of the first instances in a major case 163 00:11:29,667 --> 00:11:33,348 that we have seen people use social media as a tool to help. 164 00:11:40,829 --> 00:11:42,949 But as social media was in its infancy, 165 00:11:43,029 --> 00:11:44,206 the most effective way 166 00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:45,950 to get those kind of messages out to people 167 00:11:46,030 --> 00:11:48,911 quickly and effectively was to use the press. 168 00:11:56,912 --> 00:11:59,953 On the 21st of December, Jo's mum and dad 169 00:12:00,033 --> 00:12:02,633 did their first media appeal to the public. 170 00:12:04,273 --> 00:12:07,794 If you've got to the stage where, quite early on, 171 00:12:07,874 --> 00:12:10,195 the family are sitting in front of the cameras, 172 00:12:10,275 --> 00:12:13,475 you kind of know that there are severe concerns about this 173 00:12:13,555 --> 00:12:15,555 and there are big, big worries. 174 00:12:20,596 --> 00:12:21,733 With missing people, 175 00:12:21,757 --> 00:12:24,917 sometimes the public can become quite cynical about them. 176 00:12:26,438 --> 00:12:29,798 You need to appeal to their hearts and minds, 177 00:12:31,398 --> 00:12:33,999 and as much as a police officer 178 00:12:34,079 --> 00:12:35,495 can stand in front of a camera 179 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:38,880 and give a perfectly good interview, when you've got parents 180 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,281 sitting in front of cameras in tears, 181 00:12:42,361 --> 00:12:46,081 who cannot be moved by that? 182 00:12:46,161 --> 00:12:49,882 Who is not gonna want to help in some way? 183 00:12:49,962 --> 00:12:51,722 Jo, whatever the reason 184 00:12:51,802 --> 00:12:54,363 that you have not been in touch over the last few days, 185 00:12:54,443 --> 00:12:56,243 we want you to know that we love you dearly. 186 00:12:56,683 --> 00:12:59,124 She's a white female. 187 00:13:00,124 --> 00:13:01,964 It's powerful. 188 00:13:02,604 --> 00:13:04,005 It really is powerful. 189 00:13:19,007 --> 00:13:20,808 When Joanna Yeates went missing, 190 00:13:20,888 --> 00:13:23,288 I was asked to go up to Bristol 191 00:13:23,368 --> 00:13:25,329 to try and find out backgrounds, 192 00:13:25,409 --> 00:13:30,410 to go and meet friends and family, to befriend people, 193 00:13:31,730 --> 00:13:35,010 talk to them, hopefully build up some sort of trust. 194 00:13:36,571 --> 00:13:38,091 Normally, you really had to 195 00:13:38,171 --> 00:13:40,852 work at getting a story over Christmas. 196 00:13:42,412 --> 00:13:45,692 Everything was closed. Parliament's not sitting. 197 00:13:47,253 --> 00:13:48,373 There's no stories going on, 198 00:13:48,413 --> 00:13:51,133 and suddenly we've got a lovely girl 199 00:13:51,213 --> 00:13:53,414 with a nice job and a good background 200 00:13:53,494 --> 00:13:55,894 and she's completely vanished off the face of the earth. 201 00:13:58,175 --> 00:14:00,391 There's a phenomenon called missing white woman syndrome, 202 00:14:00,415 --> 00:14:02,055 and that's 100% Jo. 203 00:14:03,296 --> 00:14:06,296 She was young. She was engaged. 204 00:14:06,376 --> 00:14:08,297 She was beautiful, 205 00:14:09,897 --> 00:14:10,977 blonde, 206 00:14:11,977 --> 00:14:13,018 white, 207 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:15,058 middle class. 208 00:14:16,538 --> 00:14:19,059 Unfortunately, the media don't always give 209 00:14:19,139 --> 00:14:21,779 the same amount of attention to people that go missing 210 00:14:21,859 --> 00:14:23,660 that aren't of the same colour, 211 00:14:23,740 --> 00:14:26,420 that aren't of the same socioeconomic background. 212 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:28,260 She would be someone 213 00:14:28,340 --> 00:14:32,141 who our readership would be concerned about 214 00:14:32,221 --> 00:14:33,741 and we'd want to follow the story. 215 00:14:59,706 --> 00:15:02,386 You mentioned there that Greg tried to get in touch with her. 216 00:15:02,707 --> 00:15:04,387 Where you have a distraught family 217 00:15:04,467 --> 00:15:06,628 who are desperately appealing for information 218 00:15:06,708 --> 00:15:09,508 about a missing member of their family, 219 00:15:09,588 --> 00:15:11,348 you don't want a bun fight 220 00:15:11,429 --> 00:15:14,229 that you might get at some political press conference. 221 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:18,230 We miss her so much. 222 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:23,431 Everybody's on their best behavior, 223 00:15:23,511 --> 00:15:25,391 trying to be as sensitive as they can, 224 00:15:25,471 --> 00:15:27,472 and it's good practice for reporters, 225 00:15:27,552 --> 00:15:29,488 before the press conference starts, 226 00:15:29,512 --> 00:15:33,593 to nominate one reporter to ask the questions, 227 00:15:36,553 --> 00:15:40,714 and on this occasion, we chose a woman reporter to do it. 228 00:15:42,114 --> 00:15:43,395 You're doing very well. 229 00:15:46,155 --> 00:15:49,996 This might sound terribly sexist, but I think we felt that 230 00:15:50,076 --> 00:15:53,876 her parents might respond better to a female journalist 231 00:15:53,956 --> 00:15:56,277 because they were talking about their missing daughter. 232 00:15:57,677 --> 00:15:58,813 Forgive me for asking this, 233 00:15:58,837 --> 00:16:01,438 but when you go through all these scenarios, 234 00:16:01,518 --> 00:16:03,158 you must have contemplated 235 00:16:03,238 --> 00:16:05,039 that there could be a dreadful outcome. 236 00:16:05,119 --> 00:16:07,400 How do you cope with that? Mrs. Yeates, I'll ask you that. 237 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:09,919 I go numb. 238 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,880 With all this snow around, I sometimes picture her lying. 239 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,281 If, for some reason, she had collapsed or had been discarded 240 00:16:18,721 --> 00:16:20,721 and she was alive, 241 00:16:20,722 --> 00:16:23,722 with all the snow and the cold, I just 242 00:16:26,203 --> 00:16:27,843 can't bear the thought of it. 243 00:16:27,923 --> 00:16:29,243 I don't cope with it. 244 00:16:32,324 --> 00:16:35,044 The awful thing about these press conferences, 245 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:36,845 that as soon as somebody gets tearful, 246 00:16:36,925 --> 00:16:39,885 you hear all the cameras going off, click, click click. 247 00:16:42,206 --> 00:16:43,646 It looks terribly cynical. 248 00:16:43,726 --> 00:16:45,686 I don't think you can avoid all that. 249 00:16:46,886 --> 00:16:51,887 Images of families who are making appeals tearful and crying 250 00:16:52,167 --> 00:16:54,768 are inevitably going to be the images 251 00:16:54,848 --> 00:16:58,169 that will be used in the newspapers and on TV, 252 00:17:00,089 --> 00:17:03,730 but you don't want the people making the appeals 253 00:17:03,810 --> 00:17:06,370 to have some terrible breakdown. 254 00:17:06,450 --> 00:17:09,170 This was a chance to talk to those who loved her, 255 00:17:10,091 --> 00:17:12,291 who've known her since the moment she was born, 256 00:17:12,371 --> 00:17:14,332 who could tell us much more about her, 257 00:17:16,292 --> 00:17:18,892 and by them talking lucidly 258 00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:22,333 and almost happily about the real Joanna, 259 00:17:22,413 --> 00:17:24,734 it's the sort of information that might just prompt 260 00:17:24,814 --> 00:17:27,774 a witness watching my program to come forward 261 00:17:27,854 --> 00:17:30,495 and tell the police what might have happened to her. 262 00:17:32,815 --> 00:17:34,855 She loved life. 263 00:17:35,976 --> 00:17:39,296 She loved doing things with her boyfriend. 264 00:17:39,376 --> 00:17:41,337 She loved doing things around the home. 265 00:17:42,897 --> 00:17:44,737 She was a really loving daughter. 266 00:17:50,578 --> 00:17:53,179 Her father was quite convinced in the early days 267 00:17:53,259 --> 00:17:57,179 that she had been abducted and that someone was holding her. 268 00:17:57,180 --> 00:17:58,259 Please let her go. 269 00:17:58,260 --> 00:18:00,020 Just let her go if you've got her. 270 00:18:01,420 --> 00:18:03,501 Let her go and let her come back to me 271 00:18:04,581 --> 00:18:07,061 and her dad and her family. 272 00:18:09,542 --> 00:18:10,581 Please. 273 00:18:10,582 --> 00:18:12,382 If you have her, or if she is dead, 274 00:18:13,383 --> 00:18:15,143 please tell somebody where she is. 275 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:19,103 - We want her back. - We want her back. 276 00:18:20,064 --> 00:18:21,104 Forever. 277 00:18:30,906 --> 00:18:33,506 It was unimaginable horror 278 00:18:33,586 --> 00:18:35,467 that that family were experiencing. 279 00:18:37,307 --> 00:18:38,627 I still see their faces. 280 00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:46,108 Is there anything else that you feel 281 00:18:46,109 --> 00:18:48,205 that we've left out that you'd like to say at this stage? 282 00:18:48,229 --> 00:18:49,990 - No, I don't think so. - No. 283 00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:52,270 Thank you very much indeed. 284 00:18:52,750 --> 00:18:53,830 Thank you. 285 00:19:19,675 --> 00:19:22,756 There were a number of mysteries surrounding the case. 286 00:19:22,836 --> 00:19:24,916 One of the most high-profile ones was 287 00:19:24,996 --> 00:19:26,476 the story of the pizza box. 288 00:19:27,397 --> 00:19:28,477 Okay. 289 00:19:29,437 --> 00:19:31,477 I have here a pizza, 290 00:19:31,557 --> 00:19:35,557 which is similar in all respects to the one we believe she purchased. 291 00:19:35,558 --> 00:19:41,239 Which is a Tesco's Finest tomato, mozzarella, and basil pesto pizza. 292 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,560 As part of the investigation, we had footage of Jo. 293 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:54,242 One of the pieces of footage we had of her was 294 00:19:54,322 --> 00:19:56,521 that on her way home from the pub in Bristol, 295 00:19:56,522 --> 00:19:57,522 she'd bought a pizza. 296 00:20:01,043 --> 00:20:03,923 The receipt for that pizza was in her flat, 297 00:20:04,003 --> 00:20:07,484 but the box, the pizza itself, and the packaging 298 00:20:07,564 --> 00:20:08,884 was nowhere to be seen. 299 00:20:11,405 --> 00:20:13,365 When you've got very little to go on, 300 00:20:13,445 --> 00:20:15,726 you look at every possible line of inquiry. 301 00:20:15,806 --> 00:20:17,446 So, if someone saw a pizza box 302 00:20:17,526 --> 00:20:20,086 sticking out of a bin outside a flat somewhere, 303 00:20:20,727 --> 00:20:23,047 is that the house where Jo ended up? 304 00:20:26,488 --> 00:20:27,888 That would be worth following up. 305 00:20:31,929 --> 00:20:34,089 I can't remember any police force 306 00:20:34,169 --> 00:20:37,570 ever asking about a missing pizza. 307 00:20:41,210 --> 00:20:44,771 The pizza became the subject of more media interest 308 00:20:44,851 --> 00:20:46,811 than we actually had anticipated. 309 00:20:49,412 --> 00:20:51,732 Britain is full of armchair detectives, 310 00:20:51,812 --> 00:20:54,773 and if you throw in a bizarre clue like a pizza, 311 00:20:54,853 --> 00:20:56,573 it adds interest. 312 00:20:57,053 --> 00:20:58,733 If you could just hold that up again, 313 00:20:58,734 --> 00:20:59,934 I'll just get a close-up. 314 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:02,293 I'm trying to hold it as steady as I can. 315 00:21:02,294 --> 00:21:03,695 That's all right. 316 00:21:04,895 --> 00:21:07,135 The press became absolutely obsessed with it. 317 00:21:09,096 --> 00:21:10,215 Did she eat it? 318 00:21:10,216 --> 00:21:12,216 And if not, well, what happened to it? 319 00:21:25,579 --> 00:21:29,699 It's now a story that is getting national importance. 320 00:21:38,981 --> 00:21:40,902 Christmas is a time 321 00:21:40,982 --> 00:21:43,102 where people gravitate towards their loved ones. 322 00:21:49,263 --> 00:21:51,704 Here is a family that had their Christmas plans 323 00:21:52,304 --> 00:21:53,944 and then suddenly their beloved daughter 324 00:21:54,024 --> 00:21:56,024 was nowhere to be seen. 325 00:22:02,146 --> 00:22:03,506 There was this great contrast 326 00:22:03,586 --> 00:22:06,746 between everybody around that area 327 00:22:06,826 --> 00:22:08,467 walking around with smiles on their faces, 328 00:22:08,507 --> 00:22:09,563 looking forward to Christmas, 329 00:22:09,587 --> 00:22:11,747 people coming back in the fading light 330 00:22:11,827 --> 00:22:12,868 at the end of the day, 331 00:22:12,948 --> 00:22:15,508 laden down with bags full of Christmas shopping, 332 00:22:15,588 --> 00:22:17,148 looking forward to parties, 333 00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:21,269 and amidst all the happiness, 334 00:22:21,349 --> 00:22:23,270 there was this looming tragedy. 335 00:22:45,074 --> 00:22:46,514 Christmas Day, 2010. 336 00:22:46,594 --> 00:22:50,075 I'm sat at home with my family and my young son. 337 00:22:50,155 --> 00:22:52,835 We had just opened his first Christmas present 338 00:22:52,915 --> 00:22:55,276 and my mobile went. 339 00:23:00,436 --> 00:23:02,237 It was the control room inspector 340 00:23:02,317 --> 00:23:06,638 asking me to put my shoes on and drive to Longwood Lane 341 00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:08,718 because a body has been found, 342 00:23:12,199 --> 00:23:14,799 and the initial feeling is that it's Jo Yeates. 343 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,001 I drove up to Longwood Lane 344 00:23:24,201 --> 00:23:26,481 and certainly didn't want to be driving there. 345 00:23:29,762 --> 00:23:31,322 I felt incredibly sad. 346 00:23:32,523 --> 00:23:34,083 I felt incredibly sad. 347 00:23:38,844 --> 00:23:41,324 The people walking the dogs saw a mound. 348 00:23:41,404 --> 00:23:43,965 It snowed heavily in the preceding days, 349 00:23:44,245 --> 00:23:45,805 but the husband spotted 350 00:23:45,885 --> 00:23:49,046 what he thinks was a pair of jeans sticking out of the snow, 351 00:23:50,126 --> 00:23:52,486 and he then discovered that it was, in fact, a body. 352 00:23:54,847 --> 00:23:57,967 Jo was in a very shallow ditch up against the wall, 353 00:23:59,688 --> 00:24:01,048 partially covered in leaves, 354 00:24:01,888 --> 00:24:04,849 as if someone had maybe made a very rough attempt 355 00:24:04,929 --> 00:24:06,729 to disguise the body in some way. 356 00:24:08,609 --> 00:24:10,450 She was preserved by the cold. 357 00:24:12,010 --> 00:24:13,170 We knew it was Jo. 358 00:24:15,571 --> 00:24:17,611 She wasn't wearing any footwear. 359 00:24:18,691 --> 00:24:20,532 She only had a T-shirt and jeans on. 360 00:24:22,092 --> 00:24:24,772 She wasn't dressed for the weather, 361 00:24:26,173 --> 00:24:28,013 and the indications were that 362 00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:29,813 the killer had probably taken her there 363 00:24:29,893 --> 00:24:31,694 and dumped her using a vehicle. 364 00:24:33,614 --> 00:24:36,214 The wall was examined and there was evidence that 365 00:24:36,294 --> 00:24:38,695 Jo had come into contact with that wall quite high up. 366 00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:41,335 The working theory was that 367 00:24:41,415 --> 00:24:43,816 the killer had tried to put her over that wall. 368 00:24:46,136 --> 00:24:47,937 On the other side of that wall is a quarry. 369 00:24:50,097 --> 00:24:53,018 Had that been the case, her body may never have been found 370 00:24:53,098 --> 00:24:56,858 or certainly wouldn't have been found very quickly. 371 00:25:01,739 --> 00:25:03,260 Of all the days 372 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:07,180 to have to tell a family that their loved one is deceased, 373 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:09,701 you know, not Christmas day, please. 374 00:25:12,541 --> 00:25:14,742 What could possibly be worse as a parent? 375 00:25:30,345 --> 00:25:32,185 On a bleak December afternoon, 376 00:25:32,265 --> 00:25:35,866 it was an awful journey for the family of Joanna Yeates. 377 00:25:35,946 --> 00:25:38,826 In front of cameras invited to record the moment, 378 00:25:38,906 --> 00:25:41,267 they went to the place where her body was found, 379 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:55,189 I've never experienced media interest like it. 380 00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:57,190 It was on every channel. 381 00:25:57,270 --> 00:25:58,309 The family of Joanna Yeates. 382 00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:59,390 Of Joanna Yeates. 383 00:25:59,510 --> 00:26:00,510 Joanna Yeates. 384 00:26:02,591 --> 00:26:05,031 This was the biggest story in the country at the time. 385 00:26:19,514 --> 00:26:21,114 My phone was just red hot. 386 00:26:23,074 --> 00:26:26,355 There was this insatiable demand for information. 387 00:26:28,315 --> 00:26:31,316 The biggest question was, "Is this a murder inquiry?" 388 00:26:33,436 --> 00:26:35,357 And we just had to keep saying, 389 00:26:35,437 --> 00:26:37,956 "We've got to wait now for the outcome of the post-mortem." 390 00:26:37,957 --> 00:26:39,118 "Well, when's that gonna be?" 391 00:26:40,958 --> 00:26:44,198 Jo's a scene, so she needed to be dealt with forensically, 392 00:26:44,278 --> 00:26:46,759 but she was frozen, so there's certain things 393 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,800 that needed to be done in a systematic way 394 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,320 before we could take swabs of her body 395 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,081 to see what people have come into contact with her. 396 00:26:55,921 --> 00:26:57,641 The post-mortem took three days. 397 00:26:59,281 --> 00:27:02,682 When Jo's body was discovered on Christmas Day, 398 00:27:02,762 --> 00:27:05,883 it obviously led the TV news that day, 399 00:27:05,963 --> 00:27:08,923 but for printed publications, actually, 400 00:27:09,003 --> 00:27:11,884 most of them don't come out at all on Christmas Day, 401 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:15,004 and a lot of them don't come out on the 26th of December either, 402 00:27:15,484 --> 00:27:19,725 which meant that they were 48 hours behind the TV news. 403 00:27:19,805 --> 00:27:21,325 They had a lot of catching up to do, 404 00:27:21,405 --> 00:27:22,885 and they needed to do it quick. 405 00:27:24,366 --> 00:27:27,767 Newspapers really wanted the information then. 406 00:27:27,847 --> 00:27:29,407 They wanted everything then, 407 00:27:29,847 --> 00:27:32,528 and the police were then suddenly under pressure. 408 00:27:33,888 --> 00:27:36,928 We cannot say anything until the pathologist comes forward 409 00:27:37,008 --> 00:27:38,105 and gives us a cause of death. 410 00:27:38,129 --> 00:27:40,529 There would've been even more pressure on journalists 411 00:27:40,609 --> 00:27:43,810 to come up with the next story, a follow-up story. 412 00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:47,730 What would it be? Who would it be about? 413 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:50,691 Were the police saying anything more about the body? 414 00:27:50,771 --> 00:27:52,291 How did she die? 415 00:27:52,371 --> 00:27:54,772 The police are keeping an open mind. 416 00:27:54,852 --> 00:27:57,572 How was she killed? By what method? 417 00:27:59,173 --> 00:28:02,613 It's up to the police to give tidbits to the journalists 418 00:28:02,693 --> 00:28:05,414 so they can write their stories, 419 00:28:06,134 --> 00:28:07,854 because if they don't do that, 420 00:28:07,934 --> 00:28:10,215 then it leads to all sorts of speculation. 421 00:28:11,215 --> 00:28:13,735 Between Christmas and New Year, 2010, 422 00:28:13,815 --> 00:28:17,216 Bristol became wild, wild west country 423 00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:20,096 in terms of media speculation. 424 00:28:43,661 --> 00:28:45,701 On the morning of the 28th of December, 425 00:28:45,781 --> 00:28:49,222 I had a phone call from the family liaison officer 426 00:28:49,302 --> 00:28:52,783 saying Jo's family were extremely upset 427 00:28:52,863 --> 00:28:56,423 by what's been printed in the national newspapers. 428 00:28:57,984 --> 00:29:01,144 I got hold of the papers and I felt sick. 429 00:29:07,265 --> 00:29:10,266 The papers had written that they believe 430 00:29:10,346 --> 00:29:13,747 that Jo Yeates had been held captive for eight days, 431 00:29:14,427 --> 00:29:16,987 had been dumped unconscious in Longwood Lane, 432 00:29:17,067 --> 00:29:18,507 and had died of hypothermia. 433 00:29:21,868 --> 00:29:23,588 I mean, I can only imagine 434 00:29:23,668 --> 00:29:25,469 the distress caused to the family. 435 00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:31,030 So I phoned one of the journalists 436 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:36,191 and said, "What on earth have you written?" 437 00:29:36,271 --> 00:29:39,911 And his words have stayed with me ever since. 438 00:29:42,272 --> 00:29:44,512 He said, "It was just something 439 00:29:44,592 --> 00:29:47,393 that was being bandied about, so we thought we'd use it. 440 00:29:47,473 --> 00:29:48,753 You weren't giving us anything." 441 00:29:52,434 --> 00:29:53,434 I was speechless. 442 00:29:53,514 --> 00:29:55,794 I'm almost speechless recalling it. 443 00:29:56,435 --> 00:29:58,395 So I said, "We are about 444 00:29:58,475 --> 00:30:00,075 to issue the post-mortem results now, 445 00:30:00,155 --> 00:30:02,396 and you are gonna have an awful lot of egg on your face." 446 00:30:02,596 --> 00:30:04,156 The post-mortem showed that 447 00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:06,436 she certainly didn't die from hypothermia. 448 00:30:06,516 --> 00:30:09,757 It was from compression of the neck or strangulation. 449 00:30:12,398 --> 00:30:15,798 We'd now jumped a huge jump 450 00:30:15,878 --> 00:30:18,999 from a missing person to a murder inquiry. 451 00:30:29,801 --> 00:30:33,281 On the ground in Bristol at the time, it was pretty crazy. 452 00:30:34,122 --> 00:30:38,162 TV trucks parked outside Joanna's flat in Canynge Road. 453 00:30:38,922 --> 00:30:40,403 You had two or three reporters 454 00:30:40,483 --> 00:30:42,843 for every national newspaper in the city. 455 00:30:42,923 --> 00:30:44,123 There was a real frenzy 456 00:30:44,203 --> 00:30:47,644 in terms of trying to contact anyone who knew Joanna. 457 00:30:49,324 --> 00:30:52,365 There were photographers and reporters hanging around, 458 00:30:52,445 --> 00:30:54,021 sitting in their cars, keeping warm, 459 00:30:54,045 --> 00:30:56,086 waiting to talk to neighbors 460 00:30:56,206 --> 00:30:58,486 or to relatives if they turned up. 461 00:30:59,806 --> 00:31:02,807 Above all, we hoped that Greg Reardon, 462 00:31:02,887 --> 00:31:04,967 Joanna's boyfriend, would turn up, 463 00:31:05,047 --> 00:31:09,048 but anybody living within that mansion house 464 00:31:09,128 --> 00:31:12,609 that was divided up into various flats, any neighbors, 465 00:31:12,689 --> 00:31:14,889 we just wanted to find out more about Joanna, 466 00:31:14,969 --> 00:31:16,450 talk to people who knew her. 467 00:31:21,971 --> 00:31:23,611 Joanna's home was in Clifton. 468 00:31:26,531 --> 00:31:29,612 Most people look to Clifton as 469 00:31:29,692 --> 00:31:32,052 one of the most affluent areas in Bristol. 470 00:31:33,013 --> 00:31:34,613 If this had happened in 471 00:31:34,693 --> 00:31:37,133 one of the council estates in South Bristol, 472 00:31:37,213 --> 00:31:38,774 they're like the rougher areas, 473 00:31:38,854 --> 00:31:40,694 everyone would've known Joanna, 474 00:31:42,134 --> 00:31:43,791 but you come to Clifton and you start door knocking, 475 00:31:43,815 --> 00:31:46,295 a lot of people don't even know who lives next door. 476 00:31:48,856 --> 00:31:51,536 Chris Jefferies, he was the landlord. 477 00:31:51,616 --> 00:31:53,977 He would've known Joanna Yeates. 478 00:31:54,057 --> 00:31:55,097 He'd been taking her rent, 479 00:31:55,177 --> 00:31:57,537 so that would be a good starting point, really. 480 00:32:00,778 --> 00:32:02,738 We became aware that Christopher Jefferies 481 00:32:02,818 --> 00:32:05,979 had spoken to the police a second time. 482 00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:13,340 He became an important figure for us to try and talk to. 483 00:32:15,861 --> 00:32:19,141 My second statement, it was something that, 484 00:32:19,221 --> 00:32:21,942 when I was interviewed by the police 485 00:32:22,022 --> 00:32:24,702 following Jo's disappearance, 486 00:32:24,782 --> 00:32:29,783 I'd entirely forgotten about and subsequently remembered. 487 00:32:31,104 --> 00:32:33,304 The night that Jo disappeared, 488 00:32:33,384 --> 00:32:37,785 as I was walking up the driveway to go into the building, 489 00:32:37,865 --> 00:32:40,745 I was vaguely aware of somebody 490 00:32:40,825 --> 00:32:43,986 or some people leaving the premises 491 00:32:44,066 --> 00:32:47,587 by the path at the side of the building, 492 00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:52,027 which led to the front door of Jo's flat. 493 00:32:52,107 --> 00:32:55,588 We wanted to ask him, you know, what he'd told the police, 494 00:32:56,988 --> 00:33:01,549 I was leaving the building to go and do some shopping. 495 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:06,430 That was how everything began. 496 00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:10,311 You had made some comment, which was then- 497 00:33:10,391 --> 00:33:12,911 He came out and he opened the gate and he walked out 498 00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:15,792 and my colleague asked him what he'd told the police. 499 00:33:15,872 --> 00:33:17,072 That I saw that. 500 00:33:18,072 --> 00:33:20,313 I made some comment, 501 00:33:20,393 --> 00:33:24,514 which was very, very, very much vaguer than that. 502 00:33:25,274 --> 00:33:29,114 He seemed rather irritated, but he was prepared to speak 503 00:33:29,194 --> 00:33:31,634 and we hadn't heard him talk at that point. 504 00:33:31,635 --> 00:33:32,794 Are you able to give us 505 00:33:32,795 --> 00:33:34,291 any detail of what it was you told them? 506 00:33:34,315 --> 00:33:35,476 I'm afraid not, no. 507 00:33:35,556 --> 00:33:38,396 Anything that I have said, I have said to the police, 508 00:33:38,476 --> 00:33:40,637 and I'm not prepared to make any comments to the media. 509 00:33:40,717 --> 00:33:41,877 So you didn't see- 510 00:33:41,917 --> 00:33:44,037 I was absolutely not prepared 511 00:33:44,117 --> 00:33:47,438 to give anybody any statement. 512 00:33:47,518 --> 00:33:50,038 And I thought he's just gonna walk off 'cause he's annoyed 513 00:33:50,118 --> 00:33:53,359 but then, as my colleague asked him again a question, 514 00:33:53,439 --> 00:33:55,575 "Did you definitely see her?" 515 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:56,600 He kind of turned back 516 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,200 and walked back a couple of paces to the camera. 517 00:34:01,561 --> 00:34:04,801 He did have a slightly strange look on his face. 518 00:34:04,881 --> 00:34:07,362 He wasn't smiling, but there was a kind of sense that 519 00:34:07,442 --> 00:34:11,162 he didn't mind too much the attention of the camera. 520 00:34:11,242 --> 00:34:13,363 You didn't see her that evening? 521 00:34:13,443 --> 00:34:15,443 I certainly cannot say that 522 00:34:16,323 --> 00:34:19,484 I saw Joanna Yeates that evening, no. 523 00:34:19,564 --> 00:34:21,284 Thank you very much. 524 00:34:21,364 --> 00:34:23,845 He turns again and goes towards his car, 525 00:34:23,925 --> 00:34:25,725 at which point a couple of photographers 526 00:34:25,805 --> 00:34:29,406 just come up to him, and as he's trying to get into the car, 527 00:34:29,486 --> 00:34:31,366 snapping pictures of him. 528 00:34:39,288 --> 00:34:42,647 The journalists have found out that this statement has changed, 529 00:34:42,648 --> 00:34:46,849 and you do have to ask, how did they know that? 530 00:34:47,929 --> 00:34:50,770 As a journalist, you always protect your sources. 531 00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:54,851 It must have been, at least to a degree, police-related. 532 00:34:55,611 --> 00:34:57,531 Obviously, I can't prove it. 533 00:34:57,611 --> 00:34:59,291 That was something that 534 00:34:59,371 --> 00:35:02,172 Avon and Somerset Police vehemently denied. 535 00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:07,053 I don't know this, but I think 536 00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:10,813 that if this information was leaked, it was done so that 537 00:35:10,894 --> 00:35:14,534 we focus more on him than we would've done otherwise 538 00:35:15,374 --> 00:35:18,014 because the police were becoming suspicious about him. 539 00:35:29,777 --> 00:35:32,938 I was just on the point of getting up 540 00:35:33,018 --> 00:35:35,177 when I became aware that 541 00:35:35,178 --> 00:35:39,499 somebody was knocking on the door of my flat. 542 00:35:41,259 --> 00:35:45,100 I went to the door, asked who it was. 543 00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:48,461 "It's the police, Mr. Jefferies." 544 00:35:48,541 --> 00:35:49,941 Much to my astonishment, 545 00:35:50,021 --> 00:35:53,742 I was arrested on suspicion of Jo's murder. 546 00:36:02,223 --> 00:36:04,944 When an arrest is made, there are certain things 547 00:36:05,024 --> 00:36:07,624 that we as a police force are able to say, 548 00:36:07,704 --> 00:36:09,921 and there are certain things that we are not able to say, 549 00:36:09,945 --> 00:36:13,425 and one of the things that we never say upon arrest only 550 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:16,122 is you do not name an individual who's been arrested. 551 00:36:16,146 --> 00:36:18,386 You name an individual once they've been charged, 552 00:36:18,466 --> 00:36:19,922 because we're in a country where 553 00:36:19,946 --> 00:36:22,306 we assume that you're innocent until proven guilty. 554 00:36:24,387 --> 00:36:25,524 We issued a statement 555 00:36:25,548 --> 00:36:28,548 saying that a 65-year-old man had been arrested. 556 00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:33,229 We knew Christopher Jefferies was 65. 557 00:36:33,309 --> 00:36:36,310 You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to work out that 558 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:38,950 the man arrested was Christopher Jefferies. 559 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:43,871 What the media started doing is phone police station's up, 560 00:36:44,671 --> 00:36:46,207 and would say, "Just checking. 561 00:36:46,231 --> 00:36:48,391 You know, is it in your custody suite 562 00:36:48,392 --> 00:36:49,928 that you've got Chris Jefferies at the moment, 563 00:36:49,952 --> 00:36:53,033 or is it New Bridewell station or is it Trinity Road?" 564 00:36:54,393 --> 00:36:56,192 A member of staff 565 00:36:56,193 --> 00:36:57,650 in the front office of one of the police stations 566 00:36:57,674 --> 00:36:59,090 got kind of tricked into admitting that 567 00:36:59,114 --> 00:37:01,914 Chris Jefferies was in custody at that station 568 00:37:01,994 --> 00:37:04,395 at that given time and was devastated by it. 569 00:37:10,836 --> 00:37:13,917 When he was arrested, the most important thing 570 00:37:13,997 --> 00:37:16,877 was to assist Christopher at the police station. 571 00:37:20,478 --> 00:37:24,479 When you're advising a suspect at a police station, 572 00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:25,959 you obviously have the choice of 573 00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,680 whether your client answers questions or doesn't. 574 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,560 If a client has already given an account, 575 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,041 unless there is something in addition 576 00:37:38,281 --> 00:37:42,082 that he needs to speak about, there is no reason why 577 00:37:43,002 --> 00:37:44,842 the client should be answering questions, 578 00:37:45,202 --> 00:37:48,683 and Christopher had given two full accounts in two statements, 579 00:37:50,884 --> 00:37:54,204 but Christopher was very keen to assist the police 580 00:37:54,284 --> 00:37:56,645 with any further questions that they had 581 00:37:56,725 --> 00:37:58,405 because that's how Christopher is. 582 00:38:02,086 --> 00:38:03,646 He said he was at home. 583 00:38:03,726 --> 00:38:06,326 He lived alone, so he couldn't get that validated. 584 00:38:07,207 --> 00:38:10,047 He didn't have a TV, so you can't even get any timings 585 00:38:10,127 --> 00:38:12,608 of what he may have been doing, watching a certain program. 586 00:38:13,328 --> 00:38:15,488 There was no sign of a forced entry 587 00:38:16,248 --> 00:38:19,249 and he had a set of keys to the flat. 588 00:38:21,649 --> 00:38:24,569 - When Christopher was [arrested, ] - he was very naive. 589 00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:28,931 He expected to attend the police station, give his account, 590 00:38:29,011 --> 00:38:31,211 and almost immediately be released, 591 00:38:31,291 --> 00:38:33,691 and of course that wasn't the case. 592 00:38:38,652 --> 00:38:41,133 Following Chris Jefferies' arrest, 593 00:38:41,213 --> 00:38:45,894 there's a whole new forensic procedure that is adopted 594 00:38:45,974 --> 00:38:49,134 and his flat is subject to intense scrutiny. 595 00:38:51,895 --> 00:38:54,391 There were some trainers found belonging to Jefferies in the flat 596 00:38:54,415 --> 00:38:56,016 that looked like they had blood on them. 597 00:38:58,136 --> 00:38:59,856 Everybody assumed that this was it. 598 00:38:59,936 --> 00:39:01,537 This was the missing piece of the jigsaw. 599 00:39:01,617 --> 00:39:03,097 This was gonna be Jo's blood. 600 00:39:15,499 --> 00:39:19,180 During the police interviews, 601 00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:22,741 they did mention this phone call. 602 00:39:26,181 --> 00:39:27,622 It was made by Vincent Tabak 603 00:39:27,702 --> 00:39:29,782 when he'd gone back to the Netherlands at Christmas. 604 00:39:32,022 --> 00:39:35,383 Vincent Tabak was a tenant who had been living in 605 00:39:35,463 --> 00:39:38,824 the other garden flat next door to Jo's. 606 00:39:43,145 --> 00:39:44,184 He suggested that 607 00:39:44,185 --> 00:39:46,825 Christopher Jefferies' car was facing a different way 608 00:39:46,905 --> 00:39:49,266 the morning after Jo had disappeared. 609 00:39:49,346 --> 00:39:51,986 And that was at odds with Chris Jefferies' account. 610 00:39:53,787 --> 00:39:55,667 I pointed out to them 611 00:39:55,747 --> 00:39:59,388 that there was a very good explanation 612 00:39:59,468 --> 00:40:04,149 for the fact that my car had moved 613 00:40:04,229 --> 00:40:07,509 because it was rather snowy. 614 00:40:08,269 --> 00:40:13,630 I was going to an event that particular evening. 615 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:18,391 I wanted to reverse up the driveway, 616 00:40:18,471 --> 00:40:23,472 and because it was snowy and icy, the wheels were spinning. 617 00:40:23,592 --> 00:40:28,993 So I knocked on the door of Vincent Tabak's flat 618 00:40:29,473 --> 00:40:34,314 to say, would he mind giving the car a push 619 00:40:34,394 --> 00:40:37,035 so that I could get up the slope? 620 00:40:38,395 --> 00:40:41,115 Of course, he said, "What are neighbors for?" 621 00:40:43,076 --> 00:40:46,196 There would've been a lot of emphasis put on that phone call. 622 00:40:48,357 --> 00:40:49,637 They took it seriously. 623 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,840 While I was in custody, slightly naively, 624 00:41:09,841 --> 00:41:12,281 it didn't actually occur to me that 625 00:41:12,361 --> 00:41:14,602 anybody might be remotely interested 626 00:41:14,682 --> 00:41:18,562 in the fact that I was in custody 627 00:41:19,883 --> 00:41:23,043 That morning, I had a number of telephone calls. 628 00:41:23,123 --> 00:41:25,884 People were calling me to go and buy the newspapers. 629 00:41:27,764 --> 00:41:29,164 I went to the shop, 630 00:41:29,244 --> 00:41:33,245 purchased a pile of newspapers, and flicked through them. 631 00:41:35,046 --> 00:41:36,126 Wow. 632 00:41:41,007 --> 00:41:43,167 So, on the 31st of December, 633 00:41:43,247 --> 00:41:47,728 the press absolutely annihilated Chris Jefferies. 634 00:41:50,128 --> 00:41:54,009 I can't remember a suspect in a big case 635 00:41:54,089 --> 00:41:58,650 being quite subjected to that almost vilification. 636 00:42:00,850 --> 00:42:02,610 It was just appalling. 637 00:42:02,611 --> 00:42:05,571 I've never had a client who has had such coverage. 638 00:42:07,452 --> 00:42:08,812 It was a feeding frenzy. 639 00:42:10,892 --> 00:42:14,173 Chris Jefferies was tried and convicted by the media 640 00:42:14,253 --> 00:42:16,813 long before we'd ever sat down and finished questioning him. 641 00:42:27,175 --> 00:42:30,136 The newspapers just tore his life apart, 642 00:42:31,096 --> 00:42:34,737 turning up pupils who'd known him when he was a teacher years before, 643 00:42:34,817 --> 00:42:37,137 and they were saying dreadful things about him. 644 00:42:39,618 --> 00:42:41,858 I think what people vividly remember is 645 00:42:41,938 --> 00:42:43,578 the image of him with blue hair. 646 00:42:45,899 --> 00:42:49,259 My hair never looked like that. 647 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,020 I used, 648 00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,580 at the time, a shampoo 649 00:42:54,661 --> 00:43:00,502 to give the hair a very slight blue tint, 650 00:43:01,782 --> 00:43:04,062 but it certainly was not anything 651 00:43:04,142 --> 00:43:07,663 remotely resembling the photograph. 652 00:43:11,184 --> 00:43:14,904 But that, of course, wasn't the only thing, 653 00:43:17,025 --> 00:43:18,945 The worst thing I remember 654 00:43:19,025 --> 00:43:22,906 were quotes from anonymous females 655 00:43:22,986 --> 00:43:26,787 who were his pupils many years before, 656 00:43:26,867 --> 00:43:31,187 saying how uncomfortable they felt around him, 657 00:43:31,267 --> 00:43:33,468 how creeped out they felt, 658 00:43:35,588 --> 00:43:36,828 and there was also somebody 659 00:43:36,908 --> 00:43:40,149 who'd been a tenant in one of the flats 660 00:43:40,229 --> 00:43:43,950 who accused him of being a peeping tom. 661 00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:48,591 The implication was that she was a female, 662 00:43:48,671 --> 00:43:53,392 and, you know, he had some unhealthy sexual interest in her, 663 00:43:53,472 --> 00:43:57,192 and, again, in the context of him being identified as 664 00:43:57,272 --> 00:43:59,472 the suspect for Joanna's murder, 665 00:43:59,473 --> 00:44:01,073 it couldn't really be more damning. 666 00:44:02,953 --> 00:44:03,954 The police were saying 667 00:44:03,955 --> 00:44:06,714 there was no evidence that she'd been sexually assaulted, 668 00:44:07,394 --> 00:44:09,875 but a pretty young woman murdered, 669 00:44:09,955 --> 00:44:12,595 there's a kind of unspoken sexual element to it 670 00:44:12,675 --> 00:44:14,131 in most people's minds. 671 00:44:14,155 --> 00:44:19,876 That all added to this idea that he was a sexual deviant. 672 00:44:20,317 --> 00:44:21,837 That's why he's been arrested. 673 00:44:26,958 --> 00:44:29,198 The police were scratching around for a motive, 674 00:44:29,958 --> 00:44:33,199 so my concern was that, what effect does this have 675 00:44:33,279 --> 00:44:35,679 on the police and the investigation? 676 00:44:41,841 --> 00:44:43,361 Bizarre links were being made 677 00:44:43,441 --> 00:44:46,361 between him and a convicted paedophile. 678 00:44:47,642 --> 00:44:52,283 There was no shred of truth whatsoever 679 00:44:52,363 --> 00:44:55,323 in the allegations that were being made. 680 00:44:56,923 --> 00:44:58,284 The only link that they had 681 00:44:58,364 --> 00:45:00,604 was that they had both owned the same flats, 682 00:45:00,684 --> 00:45:02,100 but it was years in between. 683 00:45:02,124 --> 00:45:04,725 It had changed hands two or three times since. 684 00:45:04,805 --> 00:45:06,925 There was no link to be made there. 685 00:45:08,806 --> 00:45:12,006 They used quotes such as, "He was really creepy. 686 00:45:12,086 --> 00:45:13,727 Everyone thought he was gay." 687 00:45:13,807 --> 00:45:18,807 It implies that being gay makes you a paedophile, 688 00:45:18,808 --> 00:45:21,328 and it does smack of massive homophobia. 689 00:45:23,128 --> 00:45:25,569 The media were looking at 690 00:45:25,649 --> 00:45:29,690 potential links with other unsolved murders of females, 691 00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:33,610 particularly those around the same age as Joanna Yeates. 692 00:45:35,011 --> 00:45:38,651 Claudia Lawrence, who'd vanished in York the year before. 693 00:45:38,731 --> 00:45:42,612 There was Melanie Hall from the late '90s who'd vanished. 694 00:45:44,252 --> 00:45:45,613 Perhaps the most intriguing 695 00:45:45,693 --> 00:45:47,412 was the case of Glenis Carruthers, 696 00:45:47,413 --> 00:45:49,813 who had vanished a few hundred yards 697 00:45:49,893 --> 00:45:52,654 from where Joanna Yeates had disappeared. 698 00:45:59,255 --> 00:46:02,656 If you look at the layout of the newspaper pages, 699 00:46:02,736 --> 00:46:04,536 Jo's completely absent. 700 00:46:04,616 --> 00:46:07,377 The pictures of Chris Jefferies are huge 701 00:46:07,457 --> 00:46:09,137 and the pictures used of Jo 702 00:46:09,217 --> 00:46:13,218 are either thumbnail tiny, or in some cases, not at all. 703 00:46:15,698 --> 00:46:18,139 This was no longer about Jo. 704 00:46:18,219 --> 00:46:20,259 This was about this man, 705 00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:23,140 and it was almost like her death was incidental. 706 00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:31,141 My phone again rang and said the Attorney General 707 00:46:31,221 --> 00:46:35,062 is commenting on Christopher's case on Radio 4. 708 00:46:37,462 --> 00:46:38,502 Dominic Grieve, 709 00:46:38,503 --> 00:46:40,263 who was the attorney general at that point, 710 00:46:40,343 --> 00:46:44,904 he went on the World at One on BBC Radio 4 711 00:46:44,984 --> 00:46:48,504 to slap the wrist of the media, to tell them off, 712 00:46:48,584 --> 00:46:51,025 to basically say, "You're going too far." 713 00:46:52,185 --> 00:46:54,345 The Attorney General is 714 00:46:54,425 --> 00:46:56,546 the sort of chief legal advisor 715 00:46:56,626 --> 00:46:58,666 to the crown and the government. 716 00:47:00,467 --> 00:47:03,667 It takes pretty bad press coverage 717 00:47:03,747 --> 00:47:05,764 for the attorney general to step in. 718 00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:09,508 It is highly unusual and it just goes to show 719 00:47:09,588 --> 00:47:12,509 that they had not only crossed a line. 720 00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:15,269 They had done some sort of hurdle over it. 721 00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:18,470 Of course, it was welcomed, 722 00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:20,790 but a lot of the damage had been done 723 00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:24,631 by the time the attorney general had made those comments. 724 00:47:24,711 --> 00:47:26,271 The coverage was extensive. 725 00:47:27,872 --> 00:47:30,872 The content of some of the articles 726 00:47:30,952 --> 00:47:35,073 was driving you towards thinking that 727 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,674 Christopher Jefferies might be guilty, 728 00:47:37,754 --> 00:47:41,674 and that is potentially very problematic. 729 00:47:42,555 --> 00:47:45,595 If there's lots of information in those articles 730 00:47:45,675 --> 00:47:48,836 that don't actually make it into the courtroom, 731 00:47:48,916 --> 00:47:51,316 then you may potentially have jurors 732 00:47:51,396 --> 00:47:53,837 who remember things that they read 733 00:47:53,917 --> 00:47:57,837 and they may be reaching conclusions not based 734 00:47:57,917 --> 00:48:00,278 from the evidence that they're hearing in the courtroom. 735 00:48:01,478 --> 00:48:04,039 How on earth can he have a fair trial 736 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:07,839 when there's been all this negative publicity about him? 737 00:48:20,562 --> 00:48:24,002 There were huge pressures to come up with 738 00:48:24,082 --> 00:48:27,363 big agenda-setting scoops. 739 00:48:27,443 --> 00:48:29,763 Massive, massive pressure. 740 00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:35,203 In 2010, the British press was just coming out of 741 00:48:35,204 --> 00:48:37,765 what has been described as their worst year ever. 742 00:48:39,045 --> 00:48:41,366 Circulation was dropping dramatically, 743 00:48:41,446 --> 00:48:43,766 and some publications, such as The Mirror, 744 00:48:43,846 --> 00:48:47,167 had actually seen a 55% decrease in circulation 745 00:48:47,247 --> 00:48:49,367 over that past decade. 746 00:48:49,887 --> 00:48:52,887 The advertising revenue was taking a massive plummet, 747 00:48:52,888 --> 00:48:53,927 and at this point, 748 00:48:53,928 --> 00:48:55,928 paginations were having to decrease because of it 749 00:48:56,008 --> 00:48:58,248 and it was looking pretty bleak. 750 00:48:59,609 --> 00:49:02,690 The staff were under pressure to get the story 751 00:49:02,770 --> 00:49:05,850 because they know the circulation is falling. 752 00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:08,331 Bad news sells. 753 00:49:08,411 --> 00:49:09,851 Murder is one of the strongest, 754 00:49:09,931 --> 00:49:11,851 highest news values that there is. 755 00:49:13,532 --> 00:49:17,892 The proprietor would ring the editor on a Saturday night. 756 00:49:17,972 --> 00:49:20,573 Wherever Rupert Murdoch was in the world, 757 00:49:20,653 --> 00:49:23,693 he would call in, speak to the editor, 758 00:49:23,774 --> 00:49:24,814 and if he wasn't happy, 759 00:49:24,894 --> 00:49:26,934 there would just be silence on the phone. 760 00:49:30,335 --> 00:49:32,895 There was huge pressure to get the story. 761 00:49:32,975 --> 00:49:34,656 Don't worry how you get it. 762 00:49:49,818 --> 00:49:52,115 Following Vincent Tabak's phone call from the Netherlands 763 00:49:52,139 --> 00:49:54,139 on the 30th of December, 764 00:49:54,219 --> 00:49:57,620 DC Thomas was sent out to interview him. 765 00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:02,421 She got a really bad feeling about Tabak. 766 00:50:06,862 --> 00:50:08,782 Forensic strategy for a murder, 767 00:50:08,862 --> 00:50:12,423 you take samples and elimination swabs 768 00:50:12,503 --> 00:50:14,903 from anybody that could assist the inquiry. 769 00:50:17,023 --> 00:50:19,104 She requested that he provide 770 00:50:19,184 --> 00:50:22,104 a voluntary sample of DNA, a mouth swab. 771 00:50:22,665 --> 00:50:25,385 He seemed a little bit weary of that process. 772 00:50:27,906 --> 00:50:30,506 When DC Thomas returned with the evidence 773 00:50:30,586 --> 00:50:33,147 that she got from Tabak, I spoke to her 774 00:50:34,187 --> 00:50:38,428 and I knew that she had had a bad feeling about Tabak, 775 00:50:38,828 --> 00:50:41,308 and when I read the statement, I did as well. 776 00:50:42,868 --> 00:50:44,829 He made comments about his movement 777 00:50:44,909 --> 00:50:48,269 the night that Jo was last seen that would have put him 778 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:52,430 in proximity of the front door of Joanna's flat. 779 00:50:55,391 --> 00:50:57,111 Something wasn't quite right, 780 00:50:59,511 --> 00:51:02,151 but when DC Thomas presented the evidence 781 00:51:02,152 --> 00:51:03,472 to certain senior officers, 782 00:51:04,192 --> 00:51:06,833 it's fair to say that they didn't embrace it. 783 00:51:08,593 --> 00:51:11,314 All attention was still going on Jefferies. 784 00:51:18,155 --> 00:51:21,236 The press, the media, it was poison, 785 00:51:21,316 --> 00:51:25,196 and it was certainly a distraction for the police, 786 00:51:25,276 --> 00:51:27,757 and I think no doubt influenced 787 00:51:27,837 --> 00:51:30,037 mindsets of detectives on that inquiry. 788 00:51:33,998 --> 00:51:36,158 Confirmation bias means that 789 00:51:36,238 --> 00:51:40,119 you pin everything on one individual being responsible 790 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:45,640 and you only seek information to confirm your suspicions 791 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,521 and you'll ignore or edit or miss out information 792 00:51:51,641 --> 00:51:54,482 that suggests they're perhaps not guilty. 793 00:51:55,042 --> 00:51:56,298 I believe confirmation bias 794 00:51:56,322 --> 00:51:58,963 was prevalent in this investigation, 795 00:51:59,043 --> 00:52:01,803 and it's a very dangerous mindset for an investigator to have. 796 00:52:04,204 --> 00:52:06,884 At 4:00 PM on the 31st, 797 00:52:06,964 --> 00:52:10,125 there was an extension granted by the magistrate's court 798 00:52:10,205 --> 00:52:13,205 in order to further question and detain Christopher. 799 00:52:14,486 --> 00:52:17,886 Hearing that they'd got an extension to keep holding him 800 00:52:17,966 --> 00:52:21,127 did suggest that they had some credible evidence. 801 00:52:21,207 --> 00:52:23,527 We'd felt that the police had got their man. 802 00:52:24,167 --> 00:52:27,608 Four, three, two, one! 803 00:52:42,731 --> 00:52:45,771 The media were camped outside Jo's flat, 804 00:52:45,851 --> 00:52:48,132 sat in vehicles in the cold, 805 00:52:48,212 --> 00:52:50,492 waiting for an opportunity to take photos of 806 00:52:50,572 --> 00:52:54,373 detectives coming or police doing searches. 807 00:52:54,453 --> 00:52:55,493 They were everywhere. 808 00:52:56,533 --> 00:52:58,014 Everyone wanted an angle. 809 00:52:58,094 --> 00:53:00,334 The Sun, The Mirror, The Express, 810 00:53:00,414 --> 00:53:02,014 The Mail, The News of the World. 811 00:53:03,775 --> 00:53:07,335 The pressure was on to get a splash as good as the last, 812 00:53:07,415 --> 00:53:10,336 because you can't rest on your laurels in newspapers. 813 00:53:10,416 --> 00:53:13,777 You need to keep feeding your readership 814 00:53:16,017 --> 00:53:18,217 and the readership needed to be entertained. 815 00:53:19,938 --> 00:53:21,978 No one's forcing you to pick up a tabloid paper 816 00:53:22,058 --> 00:53:23,098 if you don't want to. 817 00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:32,740 As a local crime correspondent, it's not fun. 818 00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:36,261 You have scores of journalists 819 00:53:36,341 --> 00:53:38,141 competing over the same story. 820 00:53:42,222 --> 00:53:45,863 The tabloids were offering money to people 821 00:53:45,943 --> 00:53:48,303 who lived inside the cordon up in Clifton 822 00:53:48,383 --> 00:53:49,943 near where Jo lived, 823 00:53:50,023 --> 00:53:52,064 just so they could sit in their lounges 824 00:53:52,144 --> 00:53:54,904 and watch and look for any police activity. 825 00:53:56,825 --> 00:53:59,065 One of Jo's friends was offered 20,000 pounds 826 00:53:59,145 --> 00:54:00,825 to speak to a tabloid paper. 827 00:54:02,746 --> 00:54:04,986 You have people throwing money around, 828 00:54:05,066 --> 00:54:07,427 paying for interviews, paying for information, 829 00:54:07,507 --> 00:54:08,507 which I didn't have. 830 00:54:09,427 --> 00:54:14,324 Then I have my editor saying, "Why haven't you got this story?" 831 00:54:14,348 --> 00:54:16,228 And I'm thinking, "Because it's rubbish." 832 00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:22,149 Many of the comments in the papers were unsubstantiated. 833 00:54:22,229 --> 00:54:23,750 They were unnamed sources. 834 00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:27,230 The Sun ran a story 835 00:54:27,310 --> 00:54:29,311 with a woman who didn't want to be named, 836 00:54:29,391 --> 00:54:32,031 saying that Chris Jefferies had stalked her. 837 00:54:33,032 --> 00:54:37,272 The story was that he had chatted to her at a local library, 838 00:54:37,352 --> 00:54:39,433 and that whenever she came into the library, 839 00:54:39,513 --> 00:54:40,969 he would smile at her. 840 00:54:40,993 --> 00:54:43,353 He said nice things about her hair colour, 841 00:54:43,433 --> 00:54:45,874 that he had chatted to her in the supermarket 842 00:54:45,954 --> 00:54:48,354 about the contents of her supermarket trolley, 843 00:54:48,434 --> 00:54:50,435 and that when she eventually said 844 00:54:50,515 --> 00:54:52,355 that he was making her feel uncomfortable, 845 00:54:52,435 --> 00:54:53,851 he'd said something like, 846 00:54:53,875 --> 00:54:56,315 "What do you take me for, some kind of pervert?" 847 00:55:00,517 --> 00:55:05,318 I think using the word "stalking" was perhaps unreasonable. 848 00:55:05,398 --> 00:55:08,398 I wonder why the woman didn't want to be named. 849 00:55:10,078 --> 00:55:12,959 An unnamed source could be 850 00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,159 me talking to a senior police officer 851 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,120 and the police officer saying, "We've got our man there. 852 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,240 We've got our man." 853 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,761 An unnamed source could be 854 00:55:21,841 --> 00:55:25,241 somebody who knows the person who's been arrested 855 00:55:25,321 --> 00:55:26,682 and says, "I'll talk to you, 856 00:55:26,762 --> 00:55:28,498 but I'll talk to you off the record." 857 00:55:28,522 --> 00:55:30,842 In other words, you can't name him or her. 858 00:55:32,683 --> 00:55:35,683 The journalist must always know their identity. 859 00:55:35,763 --> 00:55:39,764 However, you as a journalist never have to reveal your sources, 860 00:55:39,844 --> 00:55:42,565 so you will never ever have to give that name, 861 00:55:42,645 --> 00:55:46,165 those details to anybody, even in a courtroom. 862 00:55:47,125 --> 00:55:48,606 So, 863 00:55:49,806 --> 00:55:51,606 what stops you from making it up? 864 00:55:52,606 --> 00:55:53,647 Very little. 865 00:55:58,808 --> 00:56:01,288 The newspapers didn't really care 866 00:56:01,368 --> 00:56:03,649 whether what they were saying about Christopher was true, 867 00:56:03,729 --> 00:56:06,409 because, ultimately, I think they were gambling on 868 00:56:06,489 --> 00:56:09,210 him being charged and convicted of murder. 869 00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:13,810 It was probably a calculated risk. 870 00:56:14,891 --> 00:56:16,490 They had a look at the bottom line and thought, 871 00:56:16,491 --> 00:56:17,610 "Well, we might get sued, 872 00:56:17,611 --> 00:56:19,532 but look at how much we're gonna be making." 873 00:56:21,492 --> 00:56:23,771 The editor of The Mirror, Richard Wallace, 874 00:56:23,772 --> 00:56:25,813 said they'd been told by the police 875 00:56:25,893 --> 00:56:27,452 that Chris Jefferies was their man 876 00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,373 in an off-the-record briefing. 877 00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:32,854 Had Christopher Jefferies 878 00:56:32,934 --> 00:56:36,975 actually been convicted of the murder of Joanna Yeates, 879 00:56:37,055 --> 00:56:38,575 from a libel perspective, 880 00:56:38,655 --> 00:56:42,016 it would be very hard to start mounting a claim. 881 00:56:43,696 --> 00:56:45,896 There is no such thing as defaming a murderer. 882 00:56:45,976 --> 00:56:48,537 You can't lower that person's reputation 883 00:56:48,617 --> 00:56:51,417 because they don't have a good reputation to start with. 884 00:56:52,858 --> 00:56:55,618 The newspapers were so convinced 885 00:56:55,698 --> 00:56:57,579 that he was about to be charged, 886 00:56:57,659 --> 00:57:00,899 it was almost like it was open season. 887 00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:09,101 Whilst Christopher was in police custody, 888 00:57:09,181 --> 00:57:11,461 on occasions, he did find it difficult. 889 00:57:14,062 --> 00:57:15,902 He was a person of good character, 890 00:57:15,982 --> 00:57:17,902 never been in trouble before. 891 00:57:17,982 --> 00:57:21,623 He would've been in a completely new environment, 892 00:57:21,703 --> 00:57:26,104 somewhat intimidating, being in a cell, being handcuffed. 893 00:57:28,905 --> 00:57:33,425 At the back of one's mind, one starts to feel, 894 00:57:33,505 --> 00:57:37,866 well, possibly there is something that I have done 895 00:57:37,946 --> 00:57:39,346 that I've forgotten about 896 00:57:39,426 --> 00:57:43,907 and they have discovered some incriminating evidence. 897 00:57:47,068 --> 00:57:51,669 The police were clearly affected by what was being written in the papers. 898 00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:58,710 There were newspaper articles which portray Christopher 899 00:57:58,790 --> 00:58:00,230 as having a bad temper. 900 00:58:01,791 --> 00:58:03,191 Thereafter, in the interview, 901 00:58:03,271 --> 00:58:04,951 the police are asking Christopher 902 00:58:05,031 --> 00:58:07,112 as to whether he has a bad temper or not. 903 00:58:09,112 --> 00:58:13,033 I was obviously very forthcoming in giving them 904 00:58:13,113 --> 00:58:17,834 all sorts of details and answers to their questions 905 00:58:17,914 --> 00:58:21,674 since I knew I had nothing to hide. 906 00:58:23,195 --> 00:58:24,234 Christopher said 907 00:58:24,235 --> 00:58:26,755 he did have a bad temper on certain occasions. 908 00:58:27,716 --> 00:58:30,316 Christopher said he had a bad temper 909 00:58:30,396 --> 00:58:32,076 for effect when teaching. 910 00:58:34,517 --> 00:58:37,437 He could be quite critical of bad grammar, 911 00:58:38,278 --> 00:58:40,054 and I'm certainly aware that he pointed out 912 00:58:40,078 --> 00:58:42,918 a few inaccuracies in the interview process, 913 00:58:43,799 --> 00:58:45,575 which can probably only make people 914 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:47,119 feel more prickly towards him. 915 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,920 They were obviously getting very frustrated 916 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,041 that they weren't getting anywhere. 917 00:58:55,121 --> 00:59:00,522 They tried to put a bit more pressure on me. 918 00:59:00,602 --> 00:59:03,002 The evidence against him was extremely flimsy. 919 00:59:04,562 --> 00:59:06,259 The trainers found belonging to Jefferies 920 00:59:06,283 --> 00:59:08,003 in the flat with blood on them, 921 00:59:11,204 --> 00:59:12,724 it turned out to be beef blood. 922 00:59:14,164 --> 00:59:15,725 - Good evening. - Within the last hour, 923 00:59:15,805 --> 00:59:18,285 it's been confirmed that the landlord of Joanna Yeates 924 00:59:18,365 --> 00:59:20,846 is no longer in police custody. 925 00:59:24,246 --> 00:59:26,887 Christopher was released on police bail, 926 00:59:26,967 --> 00:59:28,647 which means he is still a suspect. 927 00:59:31,688 --> 00:59:37,009 After the three days I'd spent in the police station, 928 00:59:37,329 --> 00:59:42,330 I certainly was very angry because I remember that 929 00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:46,490 the first thing that I said to the solicitor was, 930 00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:49,611 "Somebody has got to be sued for this." 931 00:59:51,971 --> 00:59:53,692 We were very concerned for him. 932 00:59:55,812 --> 00:59:59,693 The press were portraying him in a very, very bad way. 933 00:59:59,773 --> 01:00:02,373 Had somebody wanted to be aggressive towards him, 934 01:00:02,413 --> 01:00:08,054 threaten him, his address was public, his house distinctive. 935 01:00:08,134 --> 01:00:11,111 Of course, his photographs were in all the papers. 936 01:00:11,135 --> 01:00:13,175 It's just extremely dangerous. 937 01:00:14,896 --> 01:00:16,976 Christopher couldn't go back to his own house, 938 01:00:17,056 --> 01:00:20,137 so essentially he went back to a friend's house. 939 01:00:21,737 --> 01:00:23,033 Christopher had no clothing 940 01:00:23,057 --> 01:00:25,458 because they took all the clothing for forensics, 941 01:00:25,538 --> 01:00:27,298 so he felt that it would be a good idea 942 01:00:27,378 --> 01:00:29,938 to go to the local shopping center. 943 01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:34,218 The last thing we wanted was 944 01:00:34,219 --> 01:00:37,180 for somebody to either attack him, abuse him, 945 01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:40,260 and put him in a worse position mentally or physically 946 01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:42,060 than what he was. 947 01:00:43,821 --> 01:00:46,702 We made sure that he lay low. 948 01:00:48,502 --> 01:00:50,038 One of the points that I raised was 949 01:00:50,062 --> 01:00:52,423 perhaps Christopher changing his appearance. 950 01:00:53,983 --> 01:00:57,224 And it was arranged 951 01:00:57,304 --> 01:01:00,624 that I would go 952 01:01:00,704 --> 01:01:05,705 late one afternoon to the hairdresser. 953 01:01:08,306 --> 01:01:12,266 Time for a change. Time for a new look. 954 01:01:14,227 --> 01:01:16,267 Christopher's life was disrupted. 955 01:01:18,748 --> 01:01:22,148 He has to live with what was said about him 956 01:01:22,228 --> 01:01:25,149 and the way he was portrayed in the media 957 01:01:25,229 --> 01:01:26,829 for the rest of his life, 958 01:01:27,389 --> 01:01:31,430 and I'm sure, even now, if he's walking down the street, 959 01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:32,766 someone will say, 960 01:01:32,790 --> 01:01:35,231 "There's the guy that was nicked for Joanna Yeates." 961 01:01:50,594 --> 01:01:52,194 When Christopher Jefferies is released, 962 01:01:52,274 --> 01:01:54,274 we are then back to square one. 963 01:01:54,794 --> 01:01:56,595 There's still a killer on the loose. 964 01:01:58,595 --> 01:02:00,675 There is understandably always concern. 965 01:02:00,756 --> 01:02:03,675 In tandem with the criminal investigation, 966 01:02:03,676 --> 01:02:04,852 the police were doing 967 01:02:04,876 --> 01:02:07,837 higher-profile patrols, enhanced patrols, 968 01:02:07,917 --> 01:02:11,077 more officers on the streets, trying to reassure people. 969 01:02:13,238 --> 01:02:14,854 A uniformed officer would turn up 970 01:02:14,878 --> 01:02:17,479 to kind of deliver that reassuring message, 971 01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:19,159 warning women that, you know, 972 01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:21,319 there's no great danger, but just be careful, 973 01:02:21,439 --> 01:02:23,160 particularly walking home at night. 974 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,161 The difficulty was that there didn't appear to be 975 01:02:28,241 --> 01:02:31,041 any other remotely obvious suspects. 976 01:02:32,321 --> 01:02:33,761 And the killer hadn't been found. 977 01:02:34,962 --> 01:02:37,842 That led to criticism of the investigation. 978 01:02:39,643 --> 01:02:42,243 Scrutiny then came back on the police on things 979 01:02:42,323 --> 01:02:44,563 that they could have, should have done differently, 980 01:02:45,684 --> 01:02:47,964 and that the relationship with the media 981 01:02:48,044 --> 01:02:49,845 became more fractious at that point, 982 01:02:51,725 --> 01:02:53,805 The interest was still huge. 983 01:02:55,246 --> 01:02:57,326 I was still down in Bristol. 984 01:02:57,406 --> 01:02:59,967 I was under pressure to do daily reports 985 01:03:00,047 --> 01:03:03,047 to keep the whole Joanna Yeates story going. 986 01:03:04,567 --> 01:03:06,808 The media are clamouring for their next headline, 987 01:03:06,888 --> 01:03:08,128 their next update. 988 01:03:08,208 --> 01:03:09,768 They want more information, 989 01:03:10,689 --> 01:03:12,849 and if you can't provide it to them, 990 01:03:12,929 --> 01:03:14,489 then they will look elsewhere, 991 01:03:14,969 --> 01:03:17,490 and one of the things you commonly see, 992 01:03:17,570 --> 01:03:20,610 you see it a lot on TV, they will bring out experts. 993 01:03:21,531 --> 01:03:22,771 Messages are mixed 994 01:03:22,851 --> 01:03:25,011 and even the experts are confused. 995 01:03:26,852 --> 01:03:29,892 ITN took him up to the location 996 01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:34,093 where Jo's body had been found to seek his expert view. 997 01:03:37,534 --> 01:03:41,774 This chat raised a number of, in his professional opinion, 998 01:03:41,854 --> 01:03:45,335 failings there in the Somerset Police. 999 01:03:45,415 --> 01:03:47,015 He found some litter at the scene. 1000 01:03:47,736 --> 01:03:49,112 I would've expected to come along here 1001 01:03:49,136 --> 01:03:50,656 and seen absolutely nothing, 1002 01:03:50,736 --> 01:03:54,297 certainly nothing that DNA could be taken from. 1003 01:03:56,217 --> 01:03:58,818 Who is this person, first and foremost? 1004 01:03:58,898 --> 01:04:01,698 What gives him the credentials 1005 01:04:01,778 --> 01:04:06,459 and the expertise to to criticise us? 1006 01:04:07,819 --> 01:04:11,140 I was at the scene the day Jo's body was found, 1007 01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:14,141 and I know that they didn't leave a stone unturned 1008 01:04:14,221 --> 01:04:16,141 in terms of looking for evidence. 1009 01:04:17,461 --> 01:04:18,901 The upshot was that 1010 01:04:18,981 --> 01:04:20,702 Avon and Somerset Police were so angry, 1011 01:04:20,782 --> 01:04:24,622 they banned ITN from press conferences. 1012 01:04:26,983 --> 01:04:29,303 I think it was a brave decision to make, 1013 01:04:29,383 --> 01:04:34,064 and I think sometimes you do need to do things like that 1014 01:04:34,144 --> 01:04:36,385 because some elements of the media 1015 01:04:36,465 --> 01:04:39,585 do have this aura about them where they feel untouchable 1016 01:04:40,505 --> 01:04:43,106 and they think that they can push the boundaries 1017 01:04:43,186 --> 01:04:45,386 and get away with things. 1018 01:04:47,067 --> 01:04:48,307 I thought that was bizarre. 1019 01:04:48,387 --> 01:04:51,788 I thought that was petulant of the police. 1020 01:04:51,868 --> 01:04:54,348 The police were cutting their nose off to spite their face 1021 01:04:54,428 --> 01:04:56,949 because they were getting rid of the possibility 1022 01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:58,989 that an ITN viewer 1023 01:04:59,069 --> 01:05:01,629 might be the very witness that they're looking for. 1024 01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:06,950 The ban lasted no longer than 48 hours in the end, 1025 01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:09,831 and one of the reasons that it was lifted, 1026 01:05:09,911 --> 01:05:13,032 more than anything else, is because of the backlash. 1027 01:05:14,552 --> 01:05:16,232 We've got the right to ask questions. 1028 01:05:16,312 --> 01:05:18,009 We've got a right for this and a right for that 1029 01:05:18,033 --> 01:05:19,433 and freedom of the press. 1030 01:05:20,313 --> 01:05:21,553 That became the story, 1031 01:05:22,713 --> 01:05:27,714 and it was detracting from what we needed the story to be, 1032 01:05:27,874 --> 01:05:30,395 which was the hunt for Jo Yeates' killer. 1033 01:05:44,878 --> 01:05:48,198 The next day, The Sun ran a front page story 1034 01:05:48,278 --> 01:05:52,759 saying that Joanna Yeates was missing a ski sock 1035 01:05:52,839 --> 01:05:54,279 when her body was found. 1036 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,361 Perhaps that was the murder weapon. 1037 01:06:02,441 --> 01:06:04,241 Maybe that's why a sock was missing, 1038 01:06:04,321 --> 01:06:05,841 that he'd strangled her with it, 1039 01:06:06,362 --> 01:06:09,522 or it had been taken as a trophy by the killer. 1040 01:06:10,682 --> 01:06:12,803 The trouble was, a couple of days before, 1041 01:06:12,883 --> 01:06:14,443 the investigation team had said that 1042 01:06:14,523 --> 01:06:16,763 she'd been fully clothed when she was found. 1043 01:06:17,604 --> 01:06:20,164 The media felt like they were withholding information. 1044 01:06:21,644 --> 01:06:24,125 One of Jo's socks was missing, 1045 01:06:24,205 --> 01:06:26,541 but there are certain things you don't always tell the media 1046 01:06:26,565 --> 01:06:29,526 because if an independent witness comes forward 1047 01:06:30,606 --> 01:06:33,447 and says something, there might be a detail 1048 01:06:33,527 --> 01:06:35,567 that you haven't put into the public domain, 1049 01:06:36,167 --> 01:06:37,887 that if they come to you with it, 1050 01:06:37,968 --> 01:06:40,408 you kind of think, "We've got a credible lead here." 1051 01:06:43,168 --> 01:06:45,049 Once it became clear that 1052 01:06:45,129 --> 01:06:47,569 certainly at least one element of the media knew about it, 1053 01:06:47,649 --> 01:06:50,010 we were gonna have to do something about this now. 1054 01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:54,731 I'm here this morning to talk to you about a missing sock. 1055 01:06:56,251 --> 01:06:58,931 We ended up buying a similar sock, putting it into a case, 1056 01:06:59,011 --> 01:07:01,691 and holding it up at the press conference. 1057 01:07:03,292 --> 01:07:07,533 The Sun often lead the rest of us on those kind of stories. 1058 01:07:07,613 --> 01:07:10,174 Yeah, they clearly had a good source. 1059 01:07:10,254 --> 01:07:12,334 How did they find out? 1060 01:07:13,974 --> 01:07:16,455 We didn't know where the media got that from. 1061 01:07:17,535 --> 01:07:21,576 I know it caused some concern to the investigation team. 1062 01:07:22,696 --> 01:07:26,537 The murder investigation team had a briefing room 1063 01:07:26,617 --> 01:07:28,697 that doubled up to brief the media. 1064 01:07:30,337 --> 01:07:31,457 There were some suggestions. 1065 01:07:31,458 --> 01:07:34,418 I wonder if the media have bugged that room. 1066 01:07:34,498 --> 01:07:36,819 I wonder if they're getting snippets of information 1067 01:07:36,899 --> 01:07:37,899 from bugging it, 1068 01:07:39,139 --> 01:07:41,419 but to my knowledge, none were found. 1069 01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:45,340 I think, from that point onwards, the relationship 1070 01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:48,141 between the media and the police definitely changed. 1071 01:07:48,221 --> 01:07:50,461 The investigation team closed ranks. 1072 01:08:09,665 --> 01:08:11,505 By mid-January, the relationship between 1073 01:08:11,585 --> 01:08:13,425 Avon and Somerset Police and the media 1074 01:08:13,505 --> 01:08:15,146 was not in the best of places. 1075 01:08:15,226 --> 01:08:17,506 It became increasingly hard 1076 01:08:17,586 --> 01:08:20,027 to find any new angles to the story. 1077 01:08:22,387 --> 01:08:24,788 The Sun offered 50,000 pounds 1078 01:08:24,868 --> 01:08:27,308 for information that would lead to 1079 01:08:27,388 --> 01:08:30,709 the successful capture of Jo's killer. 1080 01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:33,869 It is a little bit unusual for a newspaper organization 1081 01:08:33,949 --> 01:08:35,486 to put up that amount of money, 1082 01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:38,550 especially if you think about the financial dire straits 1083 01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:40,990 that the newspaper industry were in at the time. 1084 01:08:41,471 --> 01:08:45,111 It was a very clever way of keeping the story in the press. 1085 01:08:46,912 --> 01:08:48,912 There wasn't much happening 1086 01:08:48,992 --> 01:08:51,873 in terms of the police investigation. 1087 01:08:51,953 --> 01:08:53,169 Whatever work was going on 1088 01:08:53,193 --> 01:08:55,913 behind the scenes with forensics 1089 01:08:55,993 --> 01:08:58,794 was kept really tight because of the media interest. 1090 01:08:58,874 --> 01:09:00,754 We didn't want any more speculation, 1091 01:09:00,834 --> 01:09:01,931 So when we discovered 1092 01:09:01,955 --> 01:09:04,275 that they were going to do a reconstruction, 1093 01:09:04,355 --> 01:09:07,676 that was another story for me to do 1094 01:09:07,756 --> 01:09:11,676 to keep the Joanna Yeates story in our bulletins. 1095 01:09:18,198 --> 01:09:20,198 When they started filming it, 1096 01:09:20,278 --> 01:09:22,838 we were there filming from a distance, 1097 01:09:22,918 --> 01:09:24,375 and I think the police were a bit annoyed 1098 01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:25,759 that we discovered it. 1099 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,880 They didn't like the idea of them losing control over it. 1100 01:09:35,521 --> 01:09:39,562 I remember the actress who looked remarkably like Joanna, 1101 01:09:41,602 --> 01:09:43,882 wearing the same white skiing jacket 1102 01:09:43,962 --> 01:09:46,443 that you can see in those CCTV images 1103 01:09:46,523 --> 01:09:48,283 of her last movements on the night. 1104 01:09:57,165 --> 01:10:00,245 We'd all got used to reconstructions being done a week after, 1105 01:10:00,806 --> 01:10:02,325 because if you do it a week after, 1106 01:10:02,326 --> 01:10:06,047 at the same time, you're far more likely to find people 1107 01:10:06,127 --> 01:10:09,127 who remember what they were doing at that time. 1108 01:10:09,207 --> 01:10:13,048 It seemed odd to wait a month to do that reconstruction, 1109 01:10:13,128 --> 01:10:15,088 and there were genuine questions about, you know, 1110 01:10:15,168 --> 01:10:17,329 well, where is this investigation going? 1111 01:10:24,850 --> 01:10:26,010 The irony was that 1112 01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:29,611 the reconstruction that was shot never got shown. 1113 01:10:29,691 --> 01:10:30,811 Police in Bristol say 1114 01:10:30,891 --> 01:10:32,428 that they have made a significant breakthrough 1115 01:10:32,452 --> 01:10:34,532 in their hunt for the killer of Joanna Yeates 1116 01:10:34,612 --> 01:10:36,812 after arresting a 32-year-old man. 1117 01:10:37,652 --> 01:10:39,213 The Avon and Somerset force 1118 01:10:39,293 --> 01:10:41,413 haven't named their latest suspect, 1119 01:10:41,493 --> 01:10:43,974 the police reacting perhaps to criticisms 1120 01:10:44,054 --> 01:10:46,694 following some coverage of their first suspect. 1121 01:10:48,535 --> 01:10:50,311 Somebody started running on their ticker tape 1122 01:10:50,335 --> 01:10:51,855 quite early on 1123 01:10:52,135 --> 01:10:54,576 that it was Vincent Tabak that had been arrested, 1124 01:10:54,656 --> 01:10:57,256 at which point I had a phone call from Martin Brunt. 1125 01:10:59,577 --> 01:11:01,697 I said, "Look, another media organisation 1126 01:11:01,777 --> 01:11:07,258 has named Vincent Tabak as the man who's been arrested. 1127 01:11:07,618 --> 01:11:08,658 Is it him?" 1128 01:11:08,698 --> 01:11:11,619 I would never give you the name of anybody we've arrested. 1129 01:11:11,699 --> 01:11:12,899 I can't help you. 1130 01:11:12,979 --> 01:11:15,820 If I repeat it, am I gonna be in trouble? 1131 01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:18,580 Am I gonna cause myself any legal problems? 1132 01:11:18,660 --> 01:11:23,021 If you were me, would you follow what my rivals have done? 1133 01:11:23,101 --> 01:11:25,501 Looking for a nudge and a wink. 1134 01:11:25,581 --> 01:11:27,302 We don't confirm names. 1135 01:11:27,382 --> 01:11:30,022 We all identified Vincent Tabak 1136 01:11:30,102 --> 01:11:31,782 as the man who'd been arrested. 1137 01:11:34,863 --> 01:11:37,704 A reporter had interviewed Vincent Tabak 1138 01:11:37,784 --> 01:11:38,920 before his arrest, 1139 01:11:38,944 --> 01:11:41,985 just as the neighbor, trying to get a bit of background, 1140 01:11:42,065 --> 01:11:44,385 trying to get some more colorful quotes. 1141 01:11:44,465 --> 01:11:46,625 He didn't raise any suspicions. 1142 01:11:49,626 --> 01:11:51,586 There was nothing that you could describe as 1143 01:11:51,666 --> 01:11:55,147 being remotely eccentric about his appearance or his manner. 1144 01:11:56,547 --> 01:12:00,027 Vincent Tabak was mild-mannered. 1145 01:12:00,028 --> 01:12:03,389 He had a decent job. He had a fiancรฉe. 1146 01:12:03,469 --> 01:12:08,189 There was nothing really sinister or suspicious about him. 1147 01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:16,111 I was driving back to Bristol and got the news 1148 01:12:16,151 --> 01:12:20,072 that Vincent Tabak had been arrested, 1149 01:12:20,152 --> 01:12:24,713 and my immediate reaction was I think it's very likely 1150 01:12:24,793 --> 01:12:28,273 that the police have made another blunder. 1151 01:12:30,194 --> 01:12:33,074 He was a tenant who was, in many ways, ideal. 1152 01:12:34,834 --> 01:12:37,915 During the 18 months that I had known him, 1153 01:12:37,995 --> 01:12:41,276 he had given me absolutely no cause whatsoever 1154 01:12:41,356 --> 01:12:45,076 to suggest that he was likely at all 1155 01:12:45,156 --> 01:12:48,397 to be involved in all this. 1156 01:12:53,238 --> 01:12:54,438 It had already been agreed 1157 01:12:54,518 --> 01:12:56,719 that I was gonna interview the next suspect. 1158 01:12:57,639 --> 01:12:58,815 My passion as a detective 1159 01:12:58,839 --> 01:13:00,839 has always been interviewing suspects. 1160 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,160 I sat next to him on purpose. 1161 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,280 I wanted to feel his leg shaking against mine. 1162 01:13:08,041 --> 01:13:10,201 He denied all knowledge of Jo's death, 1163 01:13:10,281 --> 01:13:12,658 and he, in fact, stated through a prepared statement 1164 01:13:12,682 --> 01:13:14,562 that he'd never come into contact with her, 1165 01:13:14,602 --> 01:13:16,962 knew who she was, wished he could help us. 1166 01:13:18,443 --> 01:13:21,082 I know for a fact that the solicitor 1167 01:13:21,083 --> 01:13:24,404 and interpreter that we ensured was present 1168 01:13:24,484 --> 01:13:27,443 in case there was any suggestion 1169 01:13:27,444 --> 01:13:30,325 that he didn't understand questions put to him, 1170 01:13:31,405 --> 01:13:34,686 they were convinced that we had an innocent man in custody. 1171 01:13:36,846 --> 01:13:39,647 Having spent three days in the company of Vincent Tabak, 1172 01:13:39,727 --> 01:13:42,687 he was an extremely clever chap. 1173 01:13:42,767 --> 01:13:44,247 Analytical in his thinking. 1174 01:13:46,088 --> 01:13:48,928 Clearly not when it came to internet search history. 1175 01:13:49,849 --> 01:13:51,129 Why was he researching 1176 01:13:51,209 --> 01:13:54,289 "how long does it take for a body to decompose in the snow?" 1177 01:13:55,050 --> 01:13:59,490 Why was he looking at Longwood Lane in his search history 1178 01:13:59,570 --> 01:14:01,331 prior to Jo even being found? 1179 01:14:03,051 --> 01:14:05,692 Why was he researching bin collection in Clifton? 1180 01:14:08,732 --> 01:14:11,133 Why was he researching CCTV cameras? 1181 01:14:12,253 --> 01:14:13,293 Why was he researching 1182 01:14:13,373 --> 01:14:16,213 "can I serve my sentence in the Netherlands?" 1183 01:14:18,814 --> 01:14:22,895 The moment that we started to disclose evidence of forensics, 1184 01:14:22,975 --> 01:14:25,695 the interpreter stated to me, "I no longer want to be 1185 01:14:25,775 --> 01:14:28,336 left in the consultation room with that man." 1186 01:14:30,296 --> 01:14:32,777 They were now seeing the game that he was playing. 1187 01:14:35,097 --> 01:14:39,738 We found from the forensic examination of his computers 1188 01:14:40,898 --> 01:14:45,619 that he was a regular user of hardcore porn, 1189 01:14:45,699 --> 01:14:49,700 and some of that porn depicted women being strangled 1190 01:14:49,780 --> 01:14:52,380 the same way that Jo was killed. 1191 01:14:57,701 --> 01:15:00,902 There was an area on Jo's chest 1192 01:15:00,982 --> 01:15:03,382 that showed that he'd come into contact with her 1193 01:15:04,102 --> 01:15:06,383 under the back of her jeans behind the knee. 1194 01:15:06,463 --> 01:15:08,903 That was quite interesting, because if you were going to 1195 01:15:08,983 --> 01:15:10,400 lift someone out of the boot of a car, 1196 01:15:10,424 --> 01:15:12,304 where would you hold them? 1197 01:15:13,024 --> 01:15:14,240 The final nail in the coffin, 1198 01:15:14,264 --> 01:15:15,441 bearing in mind that he said that 1199 01:15:15,465 --> 01:15:17,785 he'd never had any association with her, 1200 01:15:17,865 --> 01:15:20,386 we found microscopic specks of blood 1201 01:15:20,466 --> 01:15:23,386 in the boot of his car that belonged to Jo. 1202 01:15:25,546 --> 01:15:27,027 We knew we had him. 1203 01:15:48,591 --> 01:15:50,151 I remember Tabak's trial, 1204 01:15:51,631 --> 01:15:54,632 the amount of media in the public gallery. 1205 01:15:54,712 --> 01:15:56,672 It was taken over. You couldn't get in there. 1206 01:16:00,033 --> 01:16:02,794 Journalists camped outside the court, taking photographs. 1207 01:16:03,914 --> 01:16:06,714 I wonder how many of those journalists 1208 01:16:06,794 --> 01:16:08,395 were the ones that blamed Chris. 1209 01:16:14,276 --> 01:16:18,836 During the trial, Tabak's body language was almost pleading 1210 01:16:18,916 --> 01:16:21,717 to people around him to give him sympathy. 1211 01:16:22,957 --> 01:16:24,358 Before his trial, 1212 01:16:24,438 --> 01:16:27,998 Vincent Tabak was held on remand in custody. 1213 01:16:28,078 --> 01:16:30,919 He had made this confession to the prison chaplain 1214 01:16:30,999 --> 01:16:33,999 that he confessed to the killing. 1215 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:39,600 But in court, Tabak then entered a manslaughter plea. 1216 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,241 He was trying to mitigate 1217 01:16:41,321 --> 01:16:44,321 his involvement in her death in some way, 1218 01:16:44,401 --> 01:16:45,962 and I was annoyed with that. 1219 01:16:46,042 --> 01:16:47,202 She deserved more. 1220 01:16:50,322 --> 01:16:53,123 His version of events was that she'd been coming home 1221 01:16:53,203 --> 01:16:55,203 after a night out with friends 1222 01:16:55,283 --> 01:16:58,684 and that she'd invited him in to her flat for a drink. 1223 01:16:58,764 --> 01:17:01,404 She had made a flirtatious comment to him. 1224 01:17:02,445 --> 01:17:05,485 I don't believe that for a moment, not for a moment. 1225 01:17:07,566 --> 01:17:10,806 He had gone to kiss her, but she had screamed. 1226 01:17:11,726 --> 01:17:14,687 So he's put his hand over her mouth because she screamed. 1227 01:17:15,927 --> 01:17:17,808 He's taken it away and she screamed again, 1228 01:17:17,888 --> 01:17:19,568 and he squeezed for about 20 seconds. 1229 01:17:44,012 --> 01:17:45,852 He said he hadn't meant to kill her, 1230 01:17:46,413 --> 01:17:49,213 but then panicked and disposed of the body. 1231 01:17:52,614 --> 01:17:54,774 - That's nonsense. - There was a struggle. 1232 01:17:59,495 --> 01:18:03,336 There were around about 43 other injuries to Jo, 1233 01:18:03,816 --> 01:18:07,577 including scratches to her torso, her arms, 1234 01:18:07,657 --> 01:18:11,057 and even a fractured nose, which showed that 1235 01:18:11,058 --> 01:18:13,298 there had certainly been a struggle prior to her death. 1236 01:18:15,058 --> 01:18:16,779 And then the prosecution believed that 1237 01:18:16,859 --> 01:18:18,219 he'd driven around Bristol, 1238 01:18:18,299 --> 01:18:21,379 visiting a supermarket with Joanna's body in the car, 1239 01:18:21,459 --> 01:18:24,500 before he then drove across the river 1240 01:18:24,580 --> 01:18:26,620 and put her body on the side of the road. 1241 01:18:29,141 --> 01:18:33,142 Joanna's family were distraught, listening to 1242 01:18:33,222 --> 01:18:36,822 the horrific detail of what happened to their daughter 1243 01:18:36,902 --> 01:18:39,663 at the hands of Vincent Tabak. 1244 01:18:42,103 --> 01:18:47,103 He knew that Greg wasn't there and gone back to Sheffield, 1245 01:18:47,104 --> 01:18:48,664 so she was home alone. 1246 01:18:49,185 --> 01:18:51,624 He knew that his girlfriend was gonna be out 1247 01:18:51,625 --> 01:18:53,866 'til the early hours of the morning. 1248 01:18:54,426 --> 01:18:57,146 It was cold, cold and calculating. 1249 01:19:12,949 --> 01:19:15,630 Vincent Tabak is beginning a life sentence tonight 1250 01:19:15,710 --> 01:19:17,366 after a jury found him guilty of 1251 01:19:17,390 --> 01:19:19,830 the murder of his neighbor Joanna Yeates. 1252 01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:22,551 Passing sentence, the judge Mr. Justice Field, 1253 01:19:22,631 --> 01:19:26,032 described him as wicked, deceitful, and manipulative. 1254 01:19:29,992 --> 01:19:32,153 You want to bring closure to the family. 1255 01:19:35,233 --> 01:19:37,753 Here was a clearly heartbroken family who wanted 1256 01:19:38,314 --> 01:19:42,195 there to be somebody brought to justice for Jo's death. 1257 01:19:45,555 --> 01:19:48,316 I remember Jo's dad coming to shake my hand 1258 01:19:48,396 --> 01:19:50,916 after I'd given evidence in court, 1259 01:19:51,876 --> 01:19:54,357 and he wouldn't let go of my hand, and I've never forgotten it. 1260 01:19:56,637 --> 01:19:58,118 "Thank you. Thank you." 1261 01:20:22,242 --> 01:20:25,523 The Leveson Inquiry was an investigation into 1262 01:20:25,603 --> 01:20:29,524 the culture and practice of the ethics of the British press. 1263 01:20:32,644 --> 01:20:36,285 The reputation of the British press 1264 01:20:36,365 --> 01:20:39,045 was quickly disappearing down the toilet, quite honestly. 1265 01:20:39,125 --> 01:20:41,446 The News of The World was all about 1266 01:20:41,526 --> 01:20:43,686 sex, drugs, and rock and roll, really. 1267 01:20:43,766 --> 01:20:47,167 We used to pursue those topics with vigor, 1268 01:20:47,247 --> 01:20:49,487 and it was right. 1269 01:20:49,567 --> 01:20:50,848 We needed to be tamed. 1270 01:20:53,528 --> 01:20:57,649 The Leveson Inquiry was born out of the phone-hacking scandal. 1271 01:20:58,649 --> 01:21:00,889 A variety of celebrities came forward 1272 01:21:00,969 --> 01:21:02,690 that had their privacy breached, 1273 01:21:02,770 --> 01:21:05,610 but it was in particular the press's hacking of 1274 01:21:05,690 --> 01:21:08,611 the phone of murdered teenager Milly Dowler 1275 01:21:08,691 --> 01:21:11,171 that really brought it into the forefront. 1276 01:21:13,212 --> 01:21:15,212 There really was a deep dive 1277 01:21:15,292 --> 01:21:18,813 into British press standards at the time, 1278 01:21:19,253 --> 01:21:23,614 and in order for that inquiry to have substance, 1279 01:21:23,694 --> 01:21:26,694 somebody like Christopher Jefferies 1280 01:21:26,774 --> 01:21:29,735 would be an important person to hear from. 1281 01:21:31,575 --> 01:21:33,856 - So may I call now Mr. - Christopher Jefferies? 1282 01:21:35,136 --> 01:21:38,296 I appeared at the Leveson Inquiry 1283 01:21:38,376 --> 01:21:41,777 to talk about my experience 1284 01:21:41,857 --> 01:21:44,538 of the press coverage. 1285 01:21:45,338 --> 01:21:50,619 The couple of months while I was still under suspicion, 1286 01:21:51,179 --> 01:21:52,235 without doubt, 1287 01:21:52,259 --> 01:21:56,980 the most difficult period I think I have spent. 1288 01:21:57,940 --> 01:22:02,021 Lord Leveson also took evidence from journalists. 1289 01:22:02,981 --> 01:22:04,180 Everybody at The Daily Mirror 1290 01:22:04,181 --> 01:22:08,422 is very regretful of the coverage, 1291 01:22:08,502 --> 01:22:11,702 and, you know, we do apologise to Mr. Jefferies 1292 01:22:11,703 --> 01:22:13,623 for vilifying him in such a way. 1293 01:22:14,743 --> 01:22:16,920 But I'd like to specify my sincere personal regrets 1294 01:22:16,944 --> 01:22:20,544 that my actions contributed to and exacerbated 1295 01:22:20,624 --> 01:22:23,305 the acute personal distress felt by Mr. Jefferies. 1296 01:22:32,627 --> 01:22:36,027 The Leveson Inquiry 1297 01:22:36,107 --> 01:22:40,388 was also intended to investigate 1298 01:22:40,468 --> 01:22:43,349 potentially corrupt links 1299 01:22:43,429 --> 01:22:48,029 between the press and the police. 1300 01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:53,511 Several senior officers 1301 01:22:53,591 --> 01:22:55,991 in the Joanna Yeates investigation, 1302 01:22:56,071 --> 01:23:00,272 including the senior responsible officer DCI Phil Jones 1303 01:23:00,352 --> 01:23:02,272 and the Chief Constable Colin Port, 1304 01:23:02,352 --> 01:23:04,152 gave evidence to the inquiry. 1305 01:23:10,474 --> 01:23:13,954 The inquiry was looking at claims that 1306 01:23:14,034 --> 01:23:16,355 Avon and Somerset Police had been 1307 01:23:16,435 --> 01:23:20,396 institutionally leaking information to the media. 1308 01:23:22,516 --> 01:23:24,275 The editor of The Mirror gave a statement saying that 1309 01:23:24,276 --> 01:23:27,396 they'd been doing off-the-record briefings 1310 01:23:27,397 --> 01:23:29,477 as part of the investigation. 1311 01:23:30,237 --> 01:23:33,678 The police do give guidance on these issues, 1312 01:23:33,758 --> 01:23:37,799 and if they had not indicated that they 1313 01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:42,720 had presumed they were on the right track, 1314 01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,696 then I don't think the journalists would've been 1315 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,480 writing what they've been writing. 1316 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,801 We don't give off-the-record briefings, 1317 01:23:48,881 --> 01:23:52,482 and to behave in a collusive manner is just abhorrent. 1318 01:23:57,242 --> 01:23:58,803 In the wake of Leveson, 1319 01:23:58,883 --> 01:24:03,364 police officers stopped talking to people like me 1320 01:24:03,444 --> 01:24:04,684 for a long time. 1321 01:24:07,484 --> 01:24:11,005 I would send texts, I'd ring my contacts, 1322 01:24:11,085 --> 01:24:13,446 and often they would either ignore me 1323 01:24:13,526 --> 01:24:15,646 or they would just say, "Look, I can't talk to you 1324 01:24:15,726 --> 01:24:20,727 because Leveson decreed that there should be a record of, 1325 01:24:21,127 --> 01:24:24,248 you know, contact between journalists and reporters, 1326 01:24:24,328 --> 01:24:27,008 and no police officer will want to be known 1327 01:24:27,088 --> 01:24:28,208 to be helping you." 1328 01:24:31,369 --> 01:24:34,810 After Leveson, the press were trying to behave themselves 1329 01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:36,290 and had cleaned up their act. 1330 01:24:36,370 --> 01:24:39,810 I think that's fair to say, and they needed to, 1331 01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:43,451 but at the end of the day, it was too late. 1332 01:24:43,531 --> 01:24:45,011 The genie's out of the bottle. 1333 01:24:45,091 --> 01:24:48,292 Social media had completely exploded. 1334 01:24:51,733 --> 01:24:55,533 You've got Facebook, TikTok, Instagram. 1335 01:24:55,813 --> 01:24:58,374 The world has suddenly become a journalist, 1336 01:24:58,454 --> 01:25:02,495 and people were just writing whatever they liked. 1337 01:25:05,055 --> 01:25:08,016 The whole media landscape has changed 1338 01:25:08,096 --> 01:25:11,096 and it's virtually unregulated. 1339 01:25:11,176 --> 01:25:14,377 This is really dangerous territory we've landed ourself in. 1340 01:25:16,057 --> 01:25:17,858 Take, for instance, Nicola Bulley, 1341 01:25:20,698 --> 01:25:23,859 who tragically slipped 1342 01:25:24,019 --> 01:25:26,619 into a river near her home. 1343 01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:32,900 There were a lot of similarities 1344 01:25:32,980 --> 01:25:34,901 between Joanna Yeates and Nicola Bulley. 1345 01:25:34,981 --> 01:25:36,101 They're both whites. 1346 01:25:36,181 --> 01:25:37,501 They're both middle class, 1347 01:25:39,742 --> 01:25:42,182 but that frenzy of interest, 1348 01:25:42,262 --> 01:25:44,023 back with Joanna, it was the press, 1349 01:25:44,103 --> 01:25:47,463 whereas with Nicola Bulley, it was social media, 1350 01:25:47,543 --> 01:25:51,624 but it was the same kind of hounding, relentless interest, 1351 01:25:51,704 --> 01:25:55,065 day after day updates, kind of stopping at nothing 1352 01:25:55,145 --> 01:25:57,185 to get a new sliver of information. 1353 01:25:59,905 --> 01:26:02,226 They were both defamatory in their own right. 1354 01:26:02,306 --> 01:26:05,026 We look at the level of defamation, 1355 01:26:05,106 --> 01:26:07,107 of false information in Nicola. 1356 01:26:07,187 --> 01:26:09,707 It was off the charts compared to Joanna's case. 1357 01:26:11,828 --> 01:26:13,627 When Jo went missing, 1358 01:26:13,628 --> 01:26:17,229 there were less than a billion social media users worldwide 1359 01:26:17,309 --> 01:26:20,589 on all platforms, but when Nicola Bulley went missing, 1360 01:26:20,669 --> 01:26:22,686 that had grown to five billion. 1361 01:26:22,710 --> 01:26:25,270 Can you imagine what it would be like 1362 01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:27,431 if Jo had gone missing today? 1363 01:26:27,511 --> 01:26:30,951 It would be across Insta, TikTok, X. 1364 01:26:31,031 --> 01:26:33,232 It would be explosive, 1365 01:26:33,312 --> 01:26:35,952 and the fate of Christopher Jefferies 1366 01:26:36,032 --> 01:26:37,753 on those social media platforms, 1367 01:26:37,833 --> 01:26:39,633 it doesn't even bear thinking about. 1368 01:26:43,154 --> 01:26:44,634 It was the Nicola Bulley case 1369 01:26:45,514 --> 01:26:48,315 that has begun to turn the tide in our relationship 1370 01:26:48,395 --> 01:26:52,795 to a point where police chiefs in the UK 1371 01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:56,996 have now drawn up a kind of new protocol 1372 01:26:57,076 --> 01:27:00,397 where we are beginning to talk to each other 1373 01:27:00,477 --> 01:27:03,957 in the way that we used to pre the Leveson report. 1374 01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:18,320 The funeral of murdered landscape architect Jo Yeates 1375 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,641 took place today in the Hampshire village where she grew up. 1376 01:27:21,721 --> 01:27:24,201 Ms. Yeates' coffin was followed by her parents, 1377 01:27:24,281 --> 01:27:26,802 David and Teresa, and her brother Chris. 1378 01:27:28,922 --> 01:27:31,443 Greg Reardon, her boyfriend, followed them. 1379 01:27:41,605 --> 01:27:43,285 Jo was one of the world's good people. 1380 01:27:43,365 --> 01:27:46,445 She was a genuinely nice, good person. 1381 01:27:50,446 --> 01:27:53,527 Jo was a young woman 1382 01:27:53,607 --> 01:27:59,168 recently in a relationship with her boyfriend. 1383 01:28:00,808 --> 01:28:02,729 This was the first time 1384 01:28:02,809 --> 01:28:06,569 that they were going to set up house together. 1385 01:28:08,490 --> 01:28:10,930 She was certainly very much in love. 1386 01:28:13,130 --> 01:28:18,932 She was somebody with a promising career before her. 1387 01:28:20,652 --> 01:28:24,492 Particularly on this case, you do think of, you know, 1388 01:28:24,493 --> 01:28:28,733 the sadness of her lost life and her family. 1389 01:28:30,494 --> 01:28:34,454 They're still left with this huge empty hole in their lives. 1390 01:28:42,296 --> 01:28:46,537 When people ask me about my previous career in the police 1391 01:28:46,617 --> 01:28:49,297 and they learn about the Jo Yeates case, 1392 01:28:49,377 --> 01:28:51,458 they always mention Chris Jefferies. 1393 01:28:53,618 --> 01:28:54,698 Not Tabak. 1394 01:28:56,019 --> 01:28:57,059 Not Jo. 1395 01:28:58,979 --> 01:29:02,340 That's people's memory of this particular murder. 1396 01:29:06,861 --> 01:29:09,820 Perhaps they do forget that, you know, 1397 01:29:09,821 --> 01:29:11,021 at the heart of this story 1398 01:29:11,101 --> 01:29:12,982 is the awful murder of a young woman. 1399 01:29:16,062 --> 01:29:17,823 There's cases that stay with you. 1400 01:29:19,023 --> 01:29:23,704 I often drive by the scene and remember her, 1401 01:29:25,224 --> 01:29:28,705 and there's still flowers left there. 112160

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