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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:10,671 --> 00:01:12,471 Hey, let me get those. 2 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,572 It's okay. 3 00:01:13,574 --> 00:01:15,040 No, it's cool, I got it. 4 00:01:15,209 --> 00:01:16,308 Thanks. 5 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:18,744 Yeah, thank you. 6 00:01:19,513 --> 00:01:23,048 So, you girls at the University? 7 00:01:23,484 --> 00:01:24,616 Yeah. 8 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:26,452 Most of the people in here are. 9 00:01:26,454 --> 00:01:29,455 You're kinda outta the usual age range, no? 10 00:01:29,457 --> 00:01:32,791 Yeah, well, I'm not a student. 11 00:01:32,927 --> 00:01:35,928 You don't say? 12 00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:38,363 I did go to university, 13 00:01:38,566 --> 00:01:40,399 in Washington, in the late '60s. 14 00:01:40,401 --> 00:01:43,769 Washington? What are you doing out here? 15 00:01:44,038 --> 00:01:45,304 Traveling. 16 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,108 So, you girls in a sorority? 17 00:01:49,677 --> 00:01:50,442 Yeah. 18 00:01:50,444 --> 00:01:51,810 Which one? 19 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:53,412 Why do you wanna know? 20 00:01:53,514 --> 00:01:55,280 Just making conversation. 21 00:01:55,282 --> 00:01:56,982 We're in Chi Omega. 22 00:01:58,552 --> 00:02:00,018 Nice. 23 00:02:00,187 --> 00:02:02,821 Listen, we were just heading home. 24 00:02:02,823 --> 00:02:04,022 We were? 25 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:08,694 It was nice to meet you. 26 00:02:08,863 --> 00:02:10,262 You girls won't stick around? 27 00:02:10,264 --> 00:02:11,497 I'm buying. 28 00:02:11,499 --> 00:02:13,565 No, that's fine. 29 00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:14,867 Thanks again. 30 00:05:13,714 --> 00:05:15,514 Margaret? 31 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:18,583 Lisa? 32 00:07:08,262 --> 00:07:10,929 So, what have we got? 33 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:12,130 Female. 34 00:07:12,132 --> 00:07:14,433 I'd say she's about 16 or 17. 35 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:16,034 Christ. 36 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,114 Ligature marks around the throat, 37 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:33,185 no defensive wounds on the hands, 38 00:07:33,887 --> 00:07:36,588 maybe she was taken by surprise. 39 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:39,558 Perhaps approached from behind. 40 00:07:39,726 --> 00:07:42,627 She's been in the water for a while. 41 00:08:05,552 --> 00:08:06,918 Hey. 42 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:08,653 Hey, honey. 43 00:08:17,865 --> 00:08:19,531 Tough day? 44 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:21,266 You could say that. 45 00:08:21,902 --> 00:08:22,634 Deb home? 46 00:08:22,636 --> 00:08:24,569 Yeah, she's upstairs. 47 00:08:24,571 --> 00:08:28,173 Tell her dinner will be ready in half hour. 48 00:08:38,986 --> 00:08:40,185 Yeah? 49 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:44,756 Hey, Dad. 50 00:08:45,692 --> 00:08:48,059 Hey, how was school today? 51 00:08:48,262 --> 00:08:49,594 You know, the usual. 52 00:08:49,596 --> 00:08:51,897 A main course of government propaganda 53 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:53,198 with a side of condescension. 54 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,735 You don't say things like that to your teachers, do you? 55 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:57,936 No. 56 00:08:57,938 --> 00:09:00,338 I toe the line like a good girl. 57 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:02,507 Thank you. 58 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:13,518 You okay, Dad? 59 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,021 Um, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. 60 00:09:16,023 --> 00:09:19,424 Your mother said dinner will be ready in half hour. 61 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,459 Cool, thanks. 62 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:34,339 That's nice. 63 00:09:34,341 --> 00:09:36,241 It's so good. 64 00:09:37,644 --> 00:09:38,376 Water? 65 00:09:38,378 --> 00:09:39,444 Did you make this 66 00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:40,478 from the box again? 67 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:42,814 -How did you know? -'Cause it's really good. 68 00:09:42,816 --> 00:09:43,682 Cheeky. 69 00:09:43,684 --> 00:09:45,050 And it's better than your other one. 70 00:09:45,052 --> 00:09:46,484 -Don't be so cheeky. -Better than my other one? 71 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,520 I don't know. 72 00:09:51,992 --> 00:09:53,024 So... 73 00:09:54,261 --> 00:09:55,694 What's happened today? 74 00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:59,798 Well, you've got a funny story about Mrs. Appleby, 75 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:00,532 don't you? 76 00:10:01,435 --> 00:10:03,802 I think she stole the other neighbor's baby. 77 00:10:03,804 --> 00:10:04,703 What? 78 00:10:04,705 --> 00:10:08,073 Yeah, 'cause I heard crying coming from her house. 79 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,142 Maybe it was her granddaughter. 80 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:16,982 Hello? 81 00:10:16,984 --> 00:10:18,950 It's Tom, sorry to bother you at home, 82 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:21,186 but you need to hear this. 83 00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:22,120 What is it? 84 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:23,755 We found three more. 85 00:10:23,757 --> 00:10:24,923 Three more? 86 00:10:24,925 --> 00:10:25,924 Bodies. 87 00:10:25,926 --> 00:10:28,393 In the Green River. 88 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:05,030 The ligature marks to the neck 89 00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:07,365 are consistent with an approach from behind. 90 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:09,701 All the victims share the same features, 91 00:11:09,703 --> 00:11:10,769 the ligature marks, 92 00:11:10,771 --> 00:11:13,338 no defensive wounds to the hands or arms, 93 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,707 all had recently had sex. 94 00:11:15,876 --> 00:11:18,076 Both the missing women worked as prostitutes. 95 00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:21,146 They were last seen at the SeaTac strip, near the airport. 96 00:11:21,148 --> 00:11:25,183 Looks like we have a serial killer on our hands. 97 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,219 This isn't random opportunism. 98 00:11:28,221 --> 00:11:30,655 If all the victims share the same profession, 99 00:11:30,657 --> 00:11:32,624 the killer's cruising prostitutes. 100 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,459 These women came with him willingly. 101 00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:36,828 He may well be a regular down on the strip. 102 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:38,797 Considering the lack of defensive marks 103 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:40,765 and recent sexual activity, 104 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:43,134 the women could've been killed post-coitus, 105 00:11:43,136 --> 00:11:45,603 or even mid-coitus. 106 00:11:45,605 --> 00:11:48,640 Clear signs of sexual motivation. 107 00:11:49,576 --> 00:11:51,609 We've had calls from the press. 108 00:11:51,611 --> 00:11:53,211 This is gonna be big news. 109 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:55,380 You wanna handle the briefing? 110 00:11:55,849 --> 00:11:57,048 Sure. 111 00:11:59,986 --> 00:12:01,853 Have you put any surveillance 112 00:12:01,855 --> 00:12:03,655 on the SeaTac strip? 113 00:12:04,558 --> 00:12:06,858 No, not at this stage. 114 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:10,695 How many officers have you put onto the task force? 115 00:12:10,697 --> 00:12:14,699 Um, that number I cannot tell you right now. 116 00:12:15,635 --> 00:12:16,901 We'll get back to you on that. 117 00:12:16,903 --> 00:12:20,672 How much is this going to cost the taxpayer? 118 00:12:20,674 --> 00:12:22,407 I can't answer that. 119 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:23,108 Next. 120 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:25,744 Is there any truth to the rumor 121 00:12:25,746 --> 00:12:28,213 that the police are not taking this seriously 122 00:12:28,215 --> 00:12:30,081 because it involves prostitutes? 123 00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:33,118 No, there is no truth in that. 124 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:33,918 Anyone else? 125 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,755 Well, do you have any suspects? 126 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,795 No, no, no. 127 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:47,599 Are we done? 128 00:12:49,002 --> 00:12:50,502 Thank you for coming. 129 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:51,269 Thank you. 130 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,952 Yeah. 131 00:13:10,157 --> 00:13:11,956 Detective Richards? 132 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:13,658 Yes. 133 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:14,526 I'm Bob Keller, 134 00:13:14,528 --> 00:13:17,362 I work with the FBI Behavioral Science Unit. 135 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:18,897 Come in. 136 00:13:28,575 --> 00:13:32,544 So, what brings you to Green River? 137 00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:35,547 I saw the press conference. 138 00:13:35,549 --> 00:13:37,048 I thought maybe I could help. 139 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:40,118 You gonna help me improve my public relations skills? 140 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,253 You know what we do at the Behavioral Science Unit, 141 00:13:42,255 --> 00:13:43,855 Detective Richards? 142 00:13:43,957 --> 00:13:45,990 I'm vaguely familiar. 143 00:13:47,294 --> 00:13:48,827 Call me David. 144 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:50,295 Okay, David. 145 00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:52,997 We develop and provide programs of training, 146 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:54,098 research, and consultation 147 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,700 in the behavioral and social sciences 148 00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:58,670 for the FBI and law enforcement community. 149 00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:00,805 If you don't catch this killer quick, 150 00:14:00,807 --> 00:14:04,042 dealing with the press isn't gonna get any easier. 151 00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:05,710 Well, I've set up a task force, 152 00:14:05,712 --> 00:14:09,147 led by myself and Detective Tom Johnson. 153 00:14:09,149 --> 00:14:11,583 We've had confirmation all of the victims 154 00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:15,053 frequented an area known for prostitution. 155 00:14:15,322 --> 00:14:17,655 It's likely the killer is a regular visitor there, 156 00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:21,292 so we're staking it out, as well as the Green River itself. 157 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:24,395 But it may make it easier to identify the killer's habits 158 00:14:24,397 --> 00:14:27,232 if we formed a psychological profile. 159 00:14:27,234 --> 00:14:29,801 And that's something I can help you with. 160 00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:33,605 Sure. 161 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:41,179 Have you ever had any direct experience 162 00:14:41,181 --> 00:14:42,447 with a serial killer, 163 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:45,383 beyond just consulting on the case files? 164 00:14:45,719 --> 00:14:46,517 I have. 165 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:49,587 Back in '74, I was a rookie detective in King County. 166 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:53,658 Two girls disappeared from Lake Sammamish State Park 167 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:55,126 and several of us were assigned 168 00:14:55,128 --> 00:14:57,061 to assist the Issaquah Police. 169 00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:59,264 I became part of a task force. 170 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:00,298 We identified Ted Bundy 171 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,001 as the main suspect in the murders. 172 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:05,670 You came face to face with him? 173 00:15:05,672 --> 00:15:06,471 Yeah, 174 00:15:06,473 --> 00:15:08,206 I sat in on one of his first interviews 175 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:09,774 after he was arrested. 176 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:12,744 What was he like? 177 00:15:13,179 --> 00:15:18,283 On the surface, very articulate, always polite. 178 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:21,886 In many ways, he reminded me of a politician. 179 00:15:21,888 --> 00:15:22,820 Smart appearance 180 00:15:22,822 --> 00:15:25,490 and he knew how to dance around the tough questions 181 00:15:25,492 --> 00:15:28,693 and divert the conversation towards his own agenda. 182 00:15:28,695 --> 00:15:30,528 But you saw through it? 183 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:34,365 I realized I had a nose for this kind of thing. 184 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:38,303 I knew the moment he sat down in that interview room, 185 00:15:38,305 --> 00:15:41,306 he was wearing a mask of sanity. 186 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:44,976 I saw the truth behind those eyes. 187 00:15:44,978 --> 00:15:47,545 He's on death row now, right? 188 00:15:49,416 --> 00:15:50,214 Yeah. 189 00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,649 Actually, I've interviewed him several times 190 00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:52,951 since he was convicted. 191 00:15:52,953 --> 00:15:54,986 There are lots of murders he hasn't confessed to 192 00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:57,822 and bodies which we never recovered. 193 00:15:57,891 --> 00:15:59,958 I think he will only give up the information 194 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,560 if he can get something out of it, 195 00:16:02,562 --> 00:16:04,896 like a reprieve from execution. 196 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:09,667 Ironically, for a man who dealt out so much death to others, 197 00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:11,069 he fears dying. 198 00:16:11,604 --> 00:16:15,540 So, what are your thoughts on this one, Bob? 199 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:18,176 Can you help us build a profile? 200 00:16:20,347 --> 00:16:21,879 I'd say so. 201 00:16:25,285 --> 00:16:27,352 Obviously, the first determination 202 00:16:27,354 --> 00:16:28,419 is that these murders 203 00:16:28,421 --> 00:16:31,856 were very likely the work of one person. 204 00:16:32,092 --> 00:16:35,593 The same modus operandi was employed in each death, 205 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:36,928 and body clusters often suggest 206 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:39,998 that one individual is responsible. 207 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,867 He has familiarity with the Green River 208 00:16:42,869 --> 00:16:44,736 and surrounding area. 209 00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:46,671 This suggests a local man. 210 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:49,741 He was likely raised in a family with marital discord 211 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,876 and physically and emotionally abused. 212 00:16:51,878 --> 00:16:55,213 Possibly even strict religious or puritanical morals 213 00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:57,949 imposed by one or both parents. 214 00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:03,588 I'd say he's currently between his mid-20s and mid-30s. 215 00:17:03,957 --> 00:17:06,124 Given that all the victims so far 216 00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:07,792 have worked in prostitution, 217 00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,060 we can assume that the killer 218 00:17:09,062 --> 00:17:11,763 has frequented the red light district for sexual encounters 219 00:17:11,765 --> 00:17:14,766 which didn't always end in murder. 220 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:18,970 However, there will likely be self-loathing 221 00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:20,571 as a result of these encounters, 222 00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:24,142 and it may trigger his deep-seated hatred of women. 223 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:27,545 Murderers who strangle often speak of an intimate connection 224 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:30,615 they feel with the victim as they die. 225 00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:31,983 It's twisted to you and I, 226 00:17:31,985 --> 00:17:34,886 but this man may feel at his most alive 227 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,788 when he's causing death. 228 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:39,957 That's why I know he'll strike again. 229 00:17:39,959 --> 00:17:43,194 Every day, he deals with the scars of childhood, 230 00:17:43,196 --> 00:17:47,598 poor relationships, and a generally unremarkable life. 231 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,667 That buzz he gets from killing, 232 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:53,771 he'll seek it out at every opportunity available to him. 233 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:25,803 Strangulation, same as the others. 234 00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:27,672 How old is she? 235 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:29,974 I'd say she's in her 30s. 236 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,642 They've all varied in age. 237 00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:35,646 It's clear that isn't a factor when selecting victims. 238 00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:38,649 I bet this one works the strip too. 239 00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:40,551 She's been posed very deliberately. 240 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:44,188 There's fish and a wine bottle entwined with her body. 241 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:45,923 They weren't placed by accident. 242 00:18:45,925 --> 00:18:48,226 He didn't do that with any of the other victims. 243 00:18:48,228 --> 00:18:50,194 Could be some kind of religious motive? 244 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:52,497 That ties in with the strict religious parents 245 00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:54,732 you mentioned in the briefing, Bob. 246 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:55,733 Could be, 247 00:18:55,735 --> 00:18:57,502 could also be game-playing. 248 00:18:57,637 --> 00:18:58,536 How do you mean? 249 00:18:58,538 --> 00:19:00,705 He watches the news like everybody else, 250 00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,006 he could be sending us a message 251 00:19:02,008 --> 00:19:05,376 or having a personal joke on our expense. 252 00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:07,912 She was stripped naked like the others, 253 00:19:07,914 --> 00:19:08,913 but they found her dress 254 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:10,781 just a few yards down the riverbank. 255 00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:12,683 We bagged it and took it in. 256 00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:15,119 No sign of any other items so far. 257 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:17,255 Is he getting sloppy? 258 00:19:17,257 --> 00:19:18,489 Maybe. 259 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,424 Or, like I said, he's taunting us. 260 00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:22,994 Catch me if you can, so to speak. 261 00:19:42,782 --> 00:19:44,282 Do you have any suspects? 262 00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:45,283 Out of the way, please. 263 00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:46,617 Have you made any arrests? 264 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:47,451 No comment. 265 00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:48,653 Nothing to say at this stage. 266 00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:50,021 How many more are gonna die? 267 00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:50,888 Out of the way, please. 268 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:51,622 Excuse me. 269 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:52,223 Excuse me. 270 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,797 In Seattle, another grim discovery today 271 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,301 that could be connected to the string of Green River murders 272 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,570 that have shaken that West Coast city. 273 00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:08,573 Explorer scouts today found a fourth skull 274 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,541 off in a wooded area outside of town 275 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:13,878 where three other skeletons were discovered this weekend. 276 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,782 Most of the victims have been young prostitutes. 277 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:21,052 So, Sandra, how did you and Dave meet? 278 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,854 We actually went to the same high school, 279 00:20:23,856 --> 00:20:25,690 but we didn't really meet there. 280 00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:29,126 I used to see her in the stands at the football games. 281 00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:30,328 I found it quite distracting, 282 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:33,397 pretty sure I missed a few catches because of her. 283 00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:35,199 Yeah, right. 284 00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:39,737 Anyway, um, I worked after school at the local library, 285 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,939 my mom worked there for years, so she got me a job. 286 00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,708 It was just around the corner from my house, 287 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,745 so I'd go in every day after school, 288 00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:48,946 check out some books. 289 00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,717 I'd find pretty much any excuse to talk to her. 290 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,153 About...after two months, 291 00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:59,757 Dave had this huge stack of overdue books. 292 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,727 I liked talking to him, so I didn't wanna remind him, 293 00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,896 and, um, then he realized on his own 294 00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,766 and brought in this big stack of books. 295 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,102 And I told him I would get rid of the fees 296 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:14,305 if he took me out to dinner, which he did, 297 00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:16,207 and here we are. 298 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:18,109 What a great story. 299 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:20,011 Are you married, Bob? 300 00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:21,646 I was... 301 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:23,447 to Kathleen. 302 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:27,818 She died a year ago, cancer. 303 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,055 God, I'm so sorry. 304 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,632 Hey, Deb? 305 00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:44,969 What was that about? 306 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:45,836 I don't know. 307 00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:47,772 Do you want me to go talk to her? 308 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,906 No, 309 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:49,940 no, 310 00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,142 I'll go. 311 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,144 Excuse me. 312 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:00,184 What? 313 00:22:02,088 --> 00:22:03,387 You okay? 314 00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:05,156 Not really. 315 00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:07,858 Have I done something wrong? 316 00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:16,600 I'm sorry, it's just, I was at a party earlier, 317 00:22:16,602 --> 00:22:19,337 some guys started saying things. 318 00:22:19,639 --> 00:22:21,205 About what? 319 00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,075 You. 320 00:22:24,577 --> 00:22:26,410 What did they say? 321 00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,414 They said everyone in town 322 00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,783 knows you're messing up the case. 323 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,052 Some of them said that their parents 324 00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:38,889 watch you on the news and call you names. 325 00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:40,858 What kinda names? 326 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,195 They say you don't have any balls, 327 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:50,234 and that you're too weak to catch the killer. 328 00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:57,408 I'm sorry you had to hear that. 329 00:22:58,478 --> 00:22:59,677 I know it's not your fault, 330 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,346 I'm sorry for getting mad, it's just-- 331 00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:06,317 You have every right to be annoyed. 332 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:10,354 It's my job, you didn't ask for this. 333 00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:14,925 It's not just your job though, is it, Dad? 334 00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:18,429 What do you mean? 335 00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,930 It's your life. 336 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:22,566 You and your mother are my life. 337 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:23,667 But we have to share you 338 00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:27,571 with all of the criminals in this little part of the world. 339 00:23:27,974 --> 00:23:30,508 They get more of your time than we do. 340 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:35,346 I'm sorry, Deb, I'll try to make more time for us. 341 00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,449 Okay. 342 00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,618 Okay. 343 00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,498 He's been called the Green River Killer 344 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,401 ever since the first bodies, five of them, 345 00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,702 were pulled from this river. 346 00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:02,339 You know, this issue with the press isn't gonna go away. 347 00:24:02,341 --> 00:24:04,375 I didn't have any new information, 348 00:24:04,377 --> 00:24:07,311 there was no point talking to them. 349 00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,580 But we did get something new today. 350 00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:10,915 Nothing to leak to the press yet, 351 00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,217 but it could change how you deal with the media. 352 00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:16,520 The posing of the body with the wine and the fish? 353 00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:17,321 Yeah. 354 00:24:17,323 --> 00:24:19,657 That wasn't part of his modus operandi 355 00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,125 with previous victims. 356 00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,494 That was his way of engaging with us, 357 00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:25,262 or, more to the point, you. 358 00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:28,466 It's like he's saying, "This is my banquet, Detective." 359 00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:32,570 You really think he sat at home watching the news reports? 360 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:33,437 Of course. 361 00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:36,507 Narcissism is one of the symptoms of psychopathy, 362 00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:37,975 that's the dichotomy. 363 00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,877 Damaged self-esteem on the one hand, 364 00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:44,648 but also a grandiose sense of self-importance on the other. 365 00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:46,350 In the killer's head, 366 00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:49,587 this murder spree may be the ultimate game. 367 00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:51,155 Now you're his main opponent. 368 00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,592 Sun Tzu, the Chinese general who wrote "The Art of War", 369 00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:58,863 he said, "If you're far from your enemy, 370 00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:01,565 "make him believe you're near." 371 00:25:04,437 --> 00:25:06,437 Just something to keep in mind. 372 00:25:16,349 --> 00:25:19,583 As you know, we've discovered another body. 373 00:25:19,585 --> 00:25:22,753 I won't be taking any questions today, 374 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:25,022 I just came to say one thing. 375 00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:28,192 I wanna talk directly to the killer. 376 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,799 I know you're out there, 377 00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,202 watching this, 378 00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:41,572 I don't need profilers and psychiatrists 379 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:45,676 to tell me you're a sick son of a bitch. 380 00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,311 You're not even a man, 381 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,548 I doubt you have the equipment for it. 382 00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,449 You're a demented pervert 383 00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,418 who doesn't deserve to breathe the same air 384 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:58,222 as the people you have so callously murdered. 385 00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,959 You are gutless, pathetic, 386 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,060 and when your luck runs out, 387 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,396 and make no mistake, it will, 388 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:07,298 I'll be right there to take you down, 389 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,700 you got that, you piece of? 390 00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:12,570 That's a promise from me to you. 391 00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:15,739 Thank you. 392 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,544 Hey, slugger. 393 00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:21,712 How was school today? 394 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:22,947 Good. 395 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,281 He made you this. 396 00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,050 ...Began in the summer of 1982, 397 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,651 and since then, an army of detectives 398 00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,853 and a multimillion-dollar computer system 399 00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:31,922 have been unable to track the killer. 400 00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:32,823 Thank you. 401 00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:34,558 It is a familiar routine, 402 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,393 for the Green River Task Force sifting through 403 00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:37,995 any remaining evidence on the site 404 00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:41,865 where someone had stumbled across human remains. 405 00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:02,853 Your office forwarded this. 406 00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,924 You haven't been demoted to mailman already, 407 00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:07,891 have you, Tom? 408 00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:09,593 If we don't catch this prick soon, 409 00:27:09,595 --> 00:27:10,995 maybe I will be. 410 00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:26,510 My god. 411 00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:31,215 Dearest Bob. 412 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:33,984 It has been the better part of two years 413 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,552 since we've corresponded, 414 00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:38,622 and I must admit, I've missed it. 415 00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,190 I've followed, with great interest, 416 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:43,727 the case of "The Riverman", and see from the news reports 417 00:27:43,729 --> 00:27:47,364 that you are advising the task force. 418 00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,400 I recently saw a press conference 419 00:27:49,402 --> 00:27:51,135 with Detective Richards. 420 00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:54,271 Not the usual police officer, is he? 421 00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,775 He seems to be taking it quite personally. 422 00:27:58,077 --> 00:27:59,176 As you know, 423 00:27:59,178 --> 00:28:04,348 I have some experience in The Riverman's field of expertise. 424 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,884 I believe I can help you. 425 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,585 If you have the time to visit me, 426 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:12,389 along with Detective Richards, please do. 427 00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,325 Time for me is running out, 428 00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:18,996 I would like to make use of what remains. 429 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:24,601 Kind regards, your old friend, Theodore Bundy. 430 00:28:26,906 --> 00:28:29,373 David, your thoughts? 431 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:32,242 Well, the key question is, 432 00:28:32,244 --> 00:28:34,845 could he actually help the investigation, 433 00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:38,549 or would he be leading us on some circle jerk 434 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,417 for his own amusement? 435 00:28:40,753 --> 00:28:43,387 He has an agenda, he always does. 436 00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:46,156 What's his agenda here? To buy time? 437 00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:47,257 Yeah, I'd say so. 438 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:50,961 Like he says in his letter, time is running out for him. 439 00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:52,563 He'll do everything he can 440 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,264 to court favor with the authorities 441 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,800 and get a reprieve from execution. 442 00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:02,673 What's it like coming face to face with someone like that? 443 00:29:02,675 --> 00:29:05,843 Maybe you need to find out for yourself. 444 00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:06,844 At some point, 445 00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,012 you're gonna be face to face with the Green River Killer. 446 00:29:09,014 --> 00:29:10,948 After you meet Ted Bundy, 447 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:14,017 evil will no longer be a mystery to you. 448 00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:23,894 What? 449 00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,131 Two days talking to a madman in Florida? 450 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,967 Don't you have enough to deal with right now? 451 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:32,336 It might be a complete waste of time, 452 00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:36,673 or it could help with the investigation, who knows, 453 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,910 but we have no suspects yet, 454 00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,613 I have to try everything I can. 455 00:29:45,251 --> 00:29:48,051 I just worry about you, that's all. 456 00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:50,320 It'll be fine. 457 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:52,689 Come here. 458 00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:07,871 Where are you going? 459 00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:09,506 I've got a few errands to run. 460 00:30:09,508 --> 00:30:13,143 Well, you know you're looking after Adam tonight. 461 00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,846 How come? 462 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:22,986 I've got a dinner with Amy and the girls. 463 00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:28,859 It's her birthday, I told you about this weeks ago. 464 00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:34,364 What's the matter? 465 00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:39,236 What's the matter? 466 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,341 I've got something important to do. 467 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,376 It's been playing on my mind all week, 468 00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:49,446 I need to take care of it tonight. 469 00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:53,283 Come on, Gary, I had my plans first. 470 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,351 If you have to leave the house, 471 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,687 can't you take Adam with you? 472 00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:10,067 I guess so. 473 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,369 Thank you. 474 00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,773 I'll be home around 11. 475 00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,142 Alright. 476 00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,849 Dad, where are we going? 477 00:31:58,851 --> 00:32:03,453 I gotta pick up a friend of mine, drop her off somewhere. 478 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,556 Hello, Bob. 479 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:41,992 Ted. 480 00:32:57,242 --> 00:32:58,842 Long time no see. 481 00:33:00,045 --> 00:33:01,678 It's been a while. 482 00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:06,717 And this must be the famous Detective Richards. 483 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:22,866 As always, Ted, we'll be recording this. 484 00:33:23,569 --> 00:33:24,935 Of course. 485 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:33,877 It's the 2nd of September, approximately 9:30 p.m., 486 00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:35,912 at Florida State Prison. 487 00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:38,749 This is a tape-recorded interview with Bob Keller, 488 00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:41,451 David Richards, and Ted Bundy. 489 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:45,789 So, Ted, would you like to begin? 490 00:33:46,091 --> 00:33:47,758 Well, this is just 491 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,029 sort of a spontaneous dialogue we're having here. 492 00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:55,999 I'm not approaching it in any organized fashion. 493 00:33:56,168 --> 00:34:00,003 I don't even know if I can be of any real assistance. 494 00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:01,972 You're the detectives after all. 495 00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:05,242 We'd value any insights you may have. 496 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,645 Well, did you bring a copy of the case file? 497 00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:12,449 Um, I'm not sure it would be ethical to give you-- 498 00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:13,984 It's fine. 499 00:34:45,317 --> 00:34:48,952 The Riverman enjoys easy prey. 500 00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:50,554 The victims? 501 00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,354 Yes. 502 00:34:51,356 --> 00:34:54,224 Prostitutes are low risk. 503 00:34:54,226 --> 00:34:55,826 Not many people would miss them. 504 00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:59,496 Who would you consider to be high-risk prey? 505 00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:02,265 Well, people who work normal jobs, 506 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:05,335 have families, social circles, 507 00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:07,537 people who are noticed. 508 00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:09,973 You know, 509 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:11,942 with all the slasher movies being made at the moment, 510 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:15,612 you should stake out the car parks of the movie theaters. 511 00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:19,382 I am sure you'd find many serial killers of the future, 512 00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:23,487 people who go to those films to fuel their fantasies. 513 00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:26,723 When I was a kid, I just had the detective magazines. 514 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,024 I don't think staking out 515 00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,594 thousands of movie theaters is practical, 516 00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:32,195 given the limited numbers of police 517 00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,364 we can assign to the case. 518 00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:35,565 Perhaps not. 519 00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:38,168 But you could stake out his old dump sites. 520 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,837 You mean where he left the bodies? 521 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,005 Yes. 522 00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,306 He'll return to them. 523 00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:46,042 He's going back to check out the scene 524 00:35:46,044 --> 00:35:48,078 and see the condition of the body 525 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,446 after it's been there for a while, 526 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:54,784 for, well, whatever kick he might get out of that. 527 00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,153 Necrophilia? 528 00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:57,888 Look, what he's doing is not normal, 529 00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:01,024 so you can't apply normal standards to it. 530 00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:04,895 He might just drive by, see if the scene is being disturbed, 531 00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:07,597 if the body has been discovered. 532 00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,166 Well, if it hasn't, 533 00:36:09,168 --> 00:36:12,335 well, he might wanna take it all in again. 534 00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:20,544 Would he go back to a site after we've discovered it? 535 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:21,478 No. 536 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,347 At that point, he wouldn't touch it with a 10-mile pole. 537 00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:28,018 Why do you think guys like him kill? 538 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:33,089 Well, there's a certain aspect of possessiveness 539 00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:34,891 in serial killing. 540 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960 I think that's one way of describing it, 541 00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,195 well, in rather bland terms, 542 00:36:38,197 --> 00:36:40,931 but a possessiveness where the corpse 543 00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:44,834 might easily be as important as the live victim, 544 00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:47,137 in some respects. 545 00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:49,639 What I mean is, a possessiveness, 546 00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:53,176 an ownership, a taking, if you will, 547 00:36:53,178 --> 00:36:55,745 and that's part of the syndrome. 548 00:36:55,747 --> 00:36:57,447 And I think that's one of the reasons why, 549 00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,749 in some cases, not all, certainly, 550 00:36:59,751 --> 00:37:03,486 but he might be intending to return to the scene, 551 00:37:03,488 --> 00:37:06,723 interact with the body in some way. 552 00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,027 According to the time of death, 553 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,130 all these murders happened on a weekday. 554 00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,198 What does that tell you? 555 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,968 Well, he obviously prefers to troll on a weekday. 556 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:21,071 He might have other commitments of the weekend, 557 00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:23,406 people he's close to, perhaps. 558 00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:24,874 You think he has family? 559 00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,443 Possibly. 560 00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:30,747 What'd you mean by "troll"? 561 00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,750 Well, it's what he does. 562 00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,285 Watching, 563 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:36,786 waiting, 564 00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,655 selecting. 565 00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:41,358 He knows his hunting ground. 566 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:42,792 Hey, Julie. 567 00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:44,394 Hey. 568 00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:45,328 This is my son. 569 00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:48,198 You remember, I showed you a picture of him before. 570 00:37:49,001 --> 00:37:51,201 Sure, yeah. 571 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,337 So, what's the deal here? 572 00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:56,172 You want the kid to watch? 573 00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:57,907 'Cause I'm in to that. 574 00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:58,842 No. 575 00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,977 I didn't plan on bringing him along, 576 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,346 but his mother had to go out. 577 00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,815 I figured we'd go to the woods 578 00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:07,751 and he could wait in the car. 579 00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,152 I'll be quick. 580 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:11,888 Sure, I remember. 581 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:14,824 Get in. 582 00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,093 He targets his prey. 583 00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:20,263 He plans what he wants to do in his mind, 584 00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:22,966 down to the smallest detail. 585 00:38:23,101 --> 00:38:24,234 By the time he closes in, 586 00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:27,537 it's almost like it's already happened. 587 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,851 Okay, 588 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:44,521 this is far enough. 589 00:38:46,258 --> 00:38:47,857 You got the money? 590 00:38:57,035 --> 00:39:00,337 So, how do you wanna do this? 591 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,241 That tree over there, bend over it. 592 00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:19,989 He's played it out in his mind so many times. 593 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,658 But when the time is right, 594 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,326 and he swoops on his chosen one, 595 00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:27,464 well, then it's like the spider and the fly. 596 00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,734 Fantasy finally becomes reality. 597 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:32,902 And speaking of fantasy, 598 00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:35,004 well, that's what normality is. 599 00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:37,273 What's normal for the spider, 600 00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:41,277 well, it can seem like chaos to the fly. 601 00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:51,214 Did she get home okay? 602 00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,417 Yeah. 603 00:41:03,662 --> 00:41:06,029 Can you go there, Detective? 604 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:09,032 Where? 605 00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,503 Inside his mind, think like he thinks. 606 00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,538 I'm not sure I can. 607 00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:17,640 You can. 608 00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:22,912 We all have that coldblooded, primal instinct within us. 609 00:41:23,048 --> 00:41:26,349 Whether you wanna touch upon your own is... 610 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,918 well, that's another story. 611 00:42:59,044 --> 00:42:59,909 Hello? 612 00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:01,945 Dave, it's Tom. 613 00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:02,979 What is it? 614 00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,681 We've found another body. 615 00:43:05,584 --> 00:43:06,783 Shit. 616 00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:09,552 I thought we had our guys staking out the Green River? 617 00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,920 We didn't find it there, 618 00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:14,123 this one was found in a woodland near Long Avenue. 619 00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:16,526 Definitely him though, same M.O. 620 00:43:16,528 --> 00:43:18,661 You tell the press yet? 621 00:43:18,663 --> 00:43:19,596 No. 622 00:43:19,598 --> 00:43:21,264 I've only just ordered the forensics team down there. 623 00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:22,231 Call it off. 624 00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,534 -What do you mean? -Tell the team to back off, 625 00:43:24,536 --> 00:43:27,170 leave the site just as it was found. 626 00:43:27,172 --> 00:43:28,605 Don't tell the press, 627 00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,773 don't tell anyone in the department 628 00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:31,908 who doesn't already know. 629 00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:35,545 Leave the body exactly where it was found, Tom. 630 00:43:35,814 --> 00:43:37,146 Why? 631 00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,781 Bundy said the killer will return 632 00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,017 to where he dumped the bodies. 633 00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:42,185 If you leave this body there 634 00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:43,820 and he doesn't see anything on the news, 635 00:43:43,822 --> 00:43:46,322 he might think it's not been discovered yet. 636 00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:48,658 Then he'll go back. 637 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,094 That's when we'll be staking out those woods. 638 00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,696 Okay, I'll go myself with Kavanagh. 639 00:43:53,698 --> 00:43:55,465 No, no, I'll go with you, 640 00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,667 I'm heading to the airport right now. 641 00:43:57,669 --> 00:44:00,670 I'll be back in a few hours, yeah? 642 00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:01,804 Got it. 643 00:44:01,806 --> 00:44:03,006 Bye. 644 00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:25,395 Flying solo today, Bob? 645 00:44:25,397 --> 00:44:29,732 Detective Richards had to travel back to the Green River. 646 00:44:29,734 --> 00:44:32,435 Have they found another body? 647 00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:42,111 Well, I hope the information I gave yesterday was helpful. 648 00:44:42,113 --> 00:44:43,079 It was. 649 00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,415 And since you're in a helpful mood, 650 00:44:45,417 --> 00:44:49,185 I thought today we could discuss a different subject. 651 00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:50,953 What's that? 652 00:44:50,955 --> 00:44:52,588 You know, Ted, 653 00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:55,558 there are still five cases we're concerned about, 654 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,629 missing girls, Washington and Utah. 655 00:45:00,932 --> 00:45:02,298 Okay. 656 00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,469 Well, maybe we can talk about that. 657 00:45:06,938 --> 00:45:08,638 I guess it depends. 658 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,405 On what? 659 00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:12,375 Did you speak to the attorney general? 660 00:45:12,811 --> 00:45:14,210 I spoke to him last night. 661 00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:17,914 I told him you'd been receptive to our questioning. 662 00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,549 But truth be told, Ted, 663 00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:21,951 he knows there are a lot of families out there 664 00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:23,886 that need closure. 665 00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:26,322 But before we get down to that, 666 00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,659 has the attorney general discussed in firm terms 667 00:45:29,661 --> 00:45:35,164 what the outcome of these conversations could be for me? 668 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,334 He said any information you can provide 669 00:45:38,336 --> 00:45:40,503 which can give the families closure 670 00:45:40,505 --> 00:45:43,139 will be given the greatest consideration 671 00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,340 when discussions take place 672 00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:47,744 about the implementation of the death penalty. 673 00:45:48,313 --> 00:45:50,179 Okay. 674 00:45:50,181 --> 00:45:51,447 Good. 675 00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,650 Well, I'm sure you know, Bob, 676 00:45:54,652 --> 00:45:57,754 it all began in Washington state. 677 00:45:58,156 --> 00:45:59,288 That's where I was living, 678 00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,492 where I grew up as a kid and a young man, 679 00:46:02,494 --> 00:46:04,260 where those kinds of impulses 680 00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:09,398 which ultimately led to the violent behavior were born. 681 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,600 Yeah. 682 00:46:12,036 --> 00:46:15,304 This is where I'm a little, um... 683 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,307 The presence of the officer down here, 684 00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:21,344 well, it's a little unnerving. 685 00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,514 Some of this stuff I don't mind talking about because, 686 00:46:24,516 --> 00:46:27,683 well, he wouldn't know it from Adam, but, 687 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,219 well, I can write it down, 688 00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,823 or whisper it to you, whatever. 689 00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:37,560 Okay. 690 00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,380 Can you hear that? 691 00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:00,783 Yeah, I can hear it. 692 00:47:00,919 --> 00:47:06,022 I just wrote down the name Joanne Dawkins. 693 00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:08,424 So... 694 00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,262 the Dawkins girl's head was severed 695 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,035 and taken up the road about 25-50 yards 696 00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:21,804 and then buried in a location 697 00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:24,740 about 10 yards west of the road 698 00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:29,011 on a rocky hillside in Washington. 699 00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:34,350 Did you hear that? 700 00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:36,285 Yeah. 701 00:47:39,023 --> 00:47:42,992 Lord knows what the little creatures up there did to it, 702 00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:45,895 what those animals would have done. 703 00:47:45,964 --> 00:47:48,531 Well, I can draw you a map to where you can find it, 704 00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:49,398 if you like. 705 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,001 Thank you, that would be helpful. 706 00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:55,872 But first, how did you encounter her? 707 00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:59,408 I was making my way up an alleyway, 708 00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,246 with my briefcase, using crutches, 709 00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:06,749 and a young woman was walking down. 710 00:48:07,085 --> 00:48:10,253 I saw her walk around the north end of the block 711 00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:12,421 and into the alleyway. 712 00:48:12,891 --> 00:48:13,923 She stopped for a moment 713 00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:17,493 and then kept on walking down toward me. 714 00:48:17,929 --> 00:48:18,961 About halfway, 715 00:48:18,963 --> 00:48:20,763 I encountered her 716 00:48:20,832 --> 00:48:23,933 and asked if she'd help carry my briefcase, 717 00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:25,401 which she did, 718 00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:29,071 and we went back up the alleyway. 719 00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:31,540 Across the street, we turned right, 720 00:48:31,542 --> 00:48:36,579 on the sidewalk outside the old fraternity house there. 721 00:48:36,581 --> 00:48:38,481 We rounded the corner on the left 722 00:48:38,483 --> 00:48:41,050 and headed north on 47. 723 00:48:41,052 --> 00:48:42,418 About halfway up the block, 724 00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,420 there used to be this old parking lot, 725 00:48:44,422 --> 00:48:49,125 which they'd made out of the burned-out buildings there. 726 00:48:49,627 --> 00:48:52,094 So what happened when you rounded the corner? 727 00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,463 We went into the parking lot. 728 00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:55,598 When we reached my car, 729 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,801 I knocked her unconscious with a crowbar. 730 00:48:58,803 --> 00:49:00,336 Where'd you have that stashed? 731 00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:03,806 Hidden behind the rear wheel of the car. 732 00:49:04,342 --> 00:49:05,474 Did she see it? 733 00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:06,442 No. 734 00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:10,513 There were some handcuffs along with the crowbar. 735 00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:15,051 I handcuffed her, put her in the passenger side of the car, 736 00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,153 and drove away. 737 00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:41,844 Dave. 738 00:49:43,281 --> 00:49:44,981 Over there. 739 00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,989 Wait. 740 00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:58,561 Wait. 741 00:50:04,535 --> 00:50:05,835 Let's go. 742 00:50:07,405 --> 00:50:08,904 Don't fucking move! 743 00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:26,782 Put the fucking gun down now! 744 00:51:26,784 --> 00:51:29,418 Now put your hands on your head and back away! 745 00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:35,991 Freeze! 746 00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:39,562 Society wants to believe it can identify 747 00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:43,432 bad or harmful individuals, 748 00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:45,968 but it's not practical. 749 00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:49,472 The truth is, people who indulge in this sort of thing, 750 00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:53,976 well, they look just like everyone else. 751 00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:57,446 Their subconscious might be a raging inferno, 752 00:51:57,448 --> 00:52:02,118 but you'd never tell, they blend in so well. 753 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:06,188 This is what it comes down to, Bob, 754 00:52:06,357 --> 00:52:09,191 we serial killers, 755 00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:11,894 we're your sons, 756 00:52:11,896 --> 00:52:14,063 your husbands, 757 00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:16,465 we're everywhere, 758 00:52:17,335 --> 00:52:23,572 and there will be more of your children dead tomorrow. 759 00:52:27,178 --> 00:52:29,545 All of us on this earth 760 00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:32,381 know that there is a time to live 761 00:52:32,383 --> 00:52:34,650 and that there is a time to die, 762 00:52:34,652 --> 00:52:39,288 yet death is always a shock to those left behind. 763 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,161 Jesus, Dad, you scared me. 764 00:52:45,163 --> 00:52:48,063 I didn't realize anyone else was up. 765 00:52:48,065 --> 00:52:49,398 Sorry. 766 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,333 Struggling to sleep? 767 00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:52,868 Yeah. 768 00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:54,703 I have a big test at school tomorrow, 769 00:52:54,705 --> 00:52:57,773 and no matter how hard I hit the books, 770 00:52:57,775 --> 00:52:59,909 I just, I don't feel prepared. 771 00:52:59,911 --> 00:53:03,012 You'll do great, you always do. 772 00:53:14,625 --> 00:53:16,792 Hey, take a seat, 773 00:53:17,562 --> 00:53:19,128 watch some TV. 774 00:53:24,902 --> 00:53:26,135 The funeral over, 775 00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:29,405 the saddened group left the graveside. 776 00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:43,953 Deb, you know I love you, don't you? 777 00:53:44,021 --> 00:53:47,923 Sure, Dad, I know, I love you too. 778 00:53:47,925 --> 00:53:51,060 I'm very proud of you, you know that, right? 779 00:53:51,062 --> 00:53:53,829 You got some whiskey in that cup? 780 00:53:54,098 --> 00:53:56,265 No, it's just tea. 781 00:53:56,701 --> 00:53:59,768 Then what's with all the declarations? 782 00:54:02,106 --> 00:54:04,740 I just want you to know how much you mean to me, 783 00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,075 that's all. 784 00:54:07,945 --> 00:54:09,578 You're sweet, Dad. 785 00:54:10,681 --> 00:54:13,249 But I better get back to bed, 786 00:54:13,317 --> 00:54:15,150 see if I can get some sleep. 787 00:54:15,152 --> 00:54:16,919 Okay, sweetheart. 788 00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:17,686 Goodnight. 789 00:54:17,688 --> 00:54:20,189 Goodnight. 790 00:54:33,104 --> 00:54:35,271 Where were you on June 17th? 791 00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:39,775 I had to take my truck to the shop. 792 00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:44,113 Have you ever cruised the SeaTac strip? 793 00:54:44,115 --> 00:54:47,149 I'm, I'm not familiar with that place. 794 00:54:47,551 --> 00:54:49,918 His name is Gary Ridgway. 795 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,720 He was picked up for attempting to solicit 796 00:54:51,722 --> 00:54:56,892 an undercover police officer posing as a prostitute in May. 797 00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,361 Tom got a hunch and ran his record. 798 00:54:59,363 --> 00:55:02,931 He was accused of choking a prostitute in 1980, 799 00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:04,466 near the SeaTac strip. 800 00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:06,635 At the time, he pleaded self-defense, 801 00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,839 after claiming the woman bit him, and he got released. 802 00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:14,009 One of our officers stopped and questioned Ridgway last year 803 00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:17,546 while he was in his truck with a prostitute. 804 00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:19,281 They also approached this guy 805 00:55:19,283 --> 00:55:23,352 in connection with the kidnapping of Marie Olsen. 806 00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:24,553 Ridgway was questioned, 807 00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,056 but not enough evidence to make an arrest. 808 00:55:27,058 --> 00:55:30,259 Has anyone questioned the sex workers on the strip? 809 00:55:30,261 --> 00:55:32,161 Several prostitutes saw a man 810 00:55:32,163 --> 00:55:33,429 matching Ridgway's description 811 00:55:33,431 --> 00:55:36,799 regularly cruising the strip in the past two years. 812 00:55:36,801 --> 00:55:41,337 Now he works at that factory down in Bellevue, 813 00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:42,404 painting trucks, 814 00:55:42,406 --> 00:55:44,573 so he would pass that strip almost daily 815 00:55:44,575 --> 00:55:46,575 on his way to and from work. 816 00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:48,243 Sarah Edgar. 817 00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:51,280 I've never heard of her. 818 00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,115 So what's your next move? 819 00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:56,018 I think we should get him to take a polygraph test. 820 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:59,855 You know those things can't be considered 100% accurate. 821 00:55:59,857 --> 00:56:00,789 Yeah, I know, 822 00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:03,292 but I need something more than circumstantial 823 00:56:03,294 --> 00:56:04,660 if I'm gonna convince the chief 824 00:56:04,662 --> 00:56:07,162 there's a case to be made here. 825 00:56:07,231 --> 00:56:09,698 Do you think he's the killer? 826 00:56:10,401 --> 00:56:13,869 Something in my gut tells me he is. 827 00:56:14,772 --> 00:56:17,239 Then do what you have to do. 828 00:56:24,548 --> 00:56:27,483 Is your name Gary Leon Ridgway? 829 00:56:27,918 --> 00:56:29,251 Yes. 830 00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:34,790 Have you ever cruised the SeaTac strip? 831 00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:36,058 No. 832 00:56:36,127 --> 00:56:39,428 Have you ever hired a prostitute? 833 00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:40,896 No. 834 00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:49,071 Did you know Julie Kakova? 835 00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:50,406 No. 836 00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:56,912 Did you kill her? 837 00:56:57,348 --> 00:56:58,514 No. 838 00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:06,855 He passed. 839 00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:08,924 He fucking passed. 840 00:57:09,794 --> 00:57:10,859 Ridgway? 841 00:57:10,861 --> 00:57:11,994 Yeah. 842 00:57:13,197 --> 00:57:15,063 You know we got nothing on this guy now. 843 00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:18,634 We executed a search warrant on his home, turned up nothing. 844 00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:20,936 The forensics team test this guy? 845 00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,237 They took everything from him, 846 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,573 saliva, piss, the whole shebang. 847 00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:25,674 There's nothing conclusive 848 00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,409 to link him to any of the crime scenes. 849 00:57:27,411 --> 00:57:28,644 Shit. 850 00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,314 We gotta let him go. 851 00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:40,315 46 bodies found since 1982. 852 00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:41,650 There have been several suspects, 853 00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,653 but a case can't be made against any of 'em. 854 00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:48,557 $15 million of public funds spent. 855 00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:52,761 As of today, the Green River Task Force will be dismantled. 856 00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:56,298 We simply can't continue spending this kinda money 857 00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,699 and allocating this much manpower 858 00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:01,470 to an investigation which has yielded no results. 859 00:59:01,572 --> 00:59:06,141 I know you were expecting this, and I hope you accept it. 860 00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:08,043 It's over, Dave. 861 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,480 Respectfully, sir, 862 00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,950 it'll never be over. 863 00:59:17,855 --> 00:59:20,055 A sad and ugly chapter 864 00:59:20,057 --> 00:59:21,390 will end tomorrow morning 865 00:59:21,392 --> 00:59:24,192 as notorious serial killer Ted Bundy 866 00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:27,529 is set to die in Florida's electric chair. 867 00:59:27,531 --> 00:59:29,264 Officially, Bundy's execution will be for 868 00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:33,302 the kidnap and murder of 12-year-old Caroline Keach, 869 00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:38,106 but he was also found guilty of two additional 1978 slayings 870 00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:42,678 and is suspected in 20-40 other homicides, 871 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,812 at least 23 of which 872 00:59:43,814 --> 00:59:45,514 he has confessed to law enforcement officials 873 00:59:45,516 --> 00:59:48,350 in the past few years. Faced with execution 874 00:59:48,352 --> 00:59:51,086 after nearly a decade of court appeals, 875 00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:54,823 Bundy has attempted to trade confessions for time 876 00:59:54,825 --> 00:59:55,891 to give lawmen details 877 00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:57,426 of all of the murders. 878 00:59:57,428 --> 01:00:00,562 The Florida governor refused to make such a trade. 879 01:00:00,564 --> 01:00:05,100 Bundy is scheduled to be executed at 7:00 a.m. 880 01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:13,208 Bob. 881 01:00:13,877 --> 01:00:15,043 Ted. 882 01:00:16,313 --> 01:00:18,981 You know, I could still provide information. 883 01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:22,784 I've remembered things that might help the families. 884 01:00:22,786 --> 01:00:24,653 I know you're hoping for a phone call, 885 01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,990 but I don't think it'll come. 886 01:00:28,892 --> 01:00:32,561 Many feel justice is being served tomorrow. 887 01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,230 What about you, Bob? 888 01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:38,634 Do you think justice is being served? 889 01:00:39,703 --> 01:00:42,471 I'm not here to pass judgment, Ted. 890 01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:45,474 Well, then why are you here? 891 01:00:45,542 --> 01:00:48,710 I'm interested in your thoughts on something. 892 01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:51,480 What's that? 893 01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:55,651 Why'd you go down this road? 894 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,186 Well, everyone asks that. 895 01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:02,424 Yeah, but you never really answered it before, have you? 896 01:01:03,594 --> 01:01:05,193 What's the point? 897 01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:09,531 Help people understand perhaps. 898 01:01:09,667 --> 01:01:12,768 Maybe I can give you a little insight too. 899 01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:13,769 Maybe the truth is 900 01:01:13,771 --> 01:01:17,673 I don't have an answer to your question. 901 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,308 Whenever I'm interviewed, 902 01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:24,413 people always ask, do I feel guilt for what I've done? 903 01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:26,581 Guilt... 904 01:01:28,152 --> 01:01:29,751 it's an illusion, 905 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,321 a mechanism of social control. 906 01:01:33,323 --> 01:01:37,726 It's very unhealthy, does terrible things to the body. 907 01:01:38,896 --> 01:01:41,229 What about when you were young, Ted? 908 01:01:41,231 --> 01:01:44,066 What was your emotional state of mind? 909 01:01:44,702 --> 01:01:45,967 Confusion. 910 01:01:46,437 --> 01:01:51,073 I could never understand what made people want to be friends, 911 01:01:51,075 --> 01:01:54,543 or what made people attracted to one another, 912 01:01:54,545 --> 01:01:59,948 or what underlays social interactions. 913 01:02:00,617 --> 01:02:02,584 I'd watch people 914 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,754 and see them feel, 915 01:02:07,491 --> 01:02:11,426 but, I don't know, I could never be like them. 916 01:02:11,428 --> 01:02:16,231 Do you remember the first time you felt the urges? 917 01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967 I certainly fantasized. 918 01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:22,904 Well, as a young boy of 12 or 13, 919 01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:26,141 I'd encountered soft-core pornography, 920 01:02:26,143 --> 01:02:31,413 outside the home, local drug or grocery stores. 921 01:02:31,749 --> 01:02:32,748 Young boys, 922 01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:37,686 they explore the sideways and byways of their neighborhood. 923 01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:41,823 And in our neighborhood, people would dump their garbage, 924 01:02:41,825 --> 01:02:43,325 and from time to time, 925 01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:45,427 we'd come across books 926 01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:49,531 of a more graphic nature, 927 01:02:49,533 --> 01:02:52,968 detective magazines and so on. 928 01:02:53,303 --> 01:02:54,936 Well, I wanna emphasize this, 929 01:02:54,938 --> 01:02:58,340 the most damaging kind of pornography, 930 01:02:58,342 --> 01:03:01,243 I'm talking from real personal experience here, 931 01:03:01,245 --> 01:03:07,649 is the kind which involves violence and sexual violence. 932 01:03:07,885 --> 01:03:10,118 The wedding of those two forces, 933 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,355 as I know only too well, 934 01:03:13,357 --> 01:03:14,556 well, it brings about behavior 935 01:03:14,558 --> 01:03:17,826 that is too terrible to describe. 936 01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:20,829 When did fantasy become a reality? 937 01:03:22,166 --> 01:03:23,031 As a teen, 938 01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:25,967 I was dealing with very strong inhibitions 939 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,237 against violent and criminal behavior 940 01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,206 that had been conditioned 941 01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:34,209 and bred into me by my environment, 942 01:03:34,211 --> 01:03:38,814 the neighborhood, schools, church. 943 01:03:39,283 --> 01:03:43,518 It's a very difficult thing to describe, 944 01:03:43,687 --> 01:03:46,521 the sensation of reaching a point 945 01:03:46,523 --> 01:03:52,327 where I knew I couldn't control it anymore. 946 01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:56,565 The barriers I had learned as a child 947 01:03:56,567 --> 01:03:58,433 were not enough to hold me back 948 01:03:58,435 --> 01:04:02,871 from seeking out and harming somebody. 949 01:04:04,007 --> 01:04:08,577 How did you feel the first time you committed a murder? 950 01:04:08,812 --> 01:04:14,282 Even all these years later, it's difficult to talk about. 951 01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,384 Reliving it through talking is, 952 01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:17,786 well, difficult, to say the least, 953 01:04:17,788 --> 01:04:21,790 but I want you to understand what happened. 954 01:04:23,026 --> 01:04:27,028 It was like coming out of some 955 01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:32,100 horrible trance or dream. 956 01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,103 I can only liken it to being possessed 957 01:04:35,105 --> 01:04:39,107 by something so awful and alien, 958 01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:40,242 and then the next morning, 959 01:04:40,244 --> 01:04:41,810 waking up and remembering what happened, 960 01:04:41,812 --> 01:04:45,580 and realizing that, well, in the eyes of the law, 961 01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:48,216 and certainly in the eyes of God, 962 01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:50,485 you're responsible. 963 01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:55,156 Possession is an interesting word. 964 01:04:55,158 --> 01:04:59,327 What I did, it was like possessing them, physically, 965 01:04:59,329 --> 01:05:03,798 as one might possess a potted plant, 966 01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:06,268 or a painting, 967 01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:08,470 or a horse, 968 01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:12,774 owning, as it were, this person, 969 01:05:12,976 --> 01:05:18,413 and then taking ownership of the remains. 970 01:05:19,116 --> 01:05:21,950 But when I'd wake up in the morning 971 01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:25,787 and realize what I'd done with a clear mind, 972 01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:31,960 with all my essential ethical and moral feelings intact, 973 01:05:32,763 --> 01:05:35,997 well, it absolutely horrified me. 974 01:05:37,467 --> 01:05:40,669 The feelings of pleasure derived from what you did 975 01:05:40,671 --> 01:05:43,872 clearly outweighed any feelings of being horrified, 976 01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:46,474 because you repeated it so much. 977 01:05:48,011 --> 01:05:48,877 Maybe so. 978 01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:51,746 Also, when you compare people to possessions, 979 01:05:51,748 --> 01:05:56,284 well, I think it's hard to believe that you felt anything, 980 01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:57,686 certainly if in your mind, 981 01:05:57,688 --> 01:06:00,956 people are no different to material things. 982 01:06:03,961 --> 01:06:05,927 What's your point, Bob? 983 01:06:06,196 --> 01:06:08,229 I've spoken to your family, 984 01:06:08,231 --> 01:06:09,364 quite in depth, actually, 985 01:06:09,366 --> 01:06:11,666 and they were very candid. 986 01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:12,968 I don't know if you know this, 987 01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:15,570 but your aunt has a very interesting memory of you 988 01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,939 from when you were three years old. 989 01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:19,207 And what's that? 990 01:06:19,209 --> 01:06:22,444 She recalled waking up from a nap one day 991 01:06:22,446 --> 01:06:23,678 at your grandparents' house 992 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,749 to find herself surrounded by knives from the kitchen. 993 01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:32,954 You were stood by your aunt's bed, smiling. 994 01:06:32,956 --> 01:06:35,357 Well, I can't say I remember that, Bob, 995 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:38,293 so I'll have to take her word for it. 996 01:06:38,295 --> 01:06:41,529 If it's true, it's very telling, don't you think? 997 01:06:41,531 --> 01:06:42,530 How so? 998 01:06:42,532 --> 01:06:44,899 Well, in my line of work, 999 01:06:44,901 --> 01:06:45,800 I'm always asked 1000 01:06:45,802 --> 01:06:49,037 "is serial killing down to nature or nurture?" 1001 01:06:49,272 --> 01:06:50,438 That incident with your aunt 1002 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,607 would suggest it's down to nature, 1003 01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:55,810 that you were born with a darkness inside of you. 1004 01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:57,545 But the thing is this, 1005 01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,514 there are many people out there 1006 01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:02,217 who are born with darkness inside of them, 1007 01:07:02,219 --> 01:07:04,719 there are many people who suffer violence 1008 01:07:04,721 --> 01:07:07,655 or have terrible things happen to them as kids, 1009 01:07:07,657 --> 01:07:11,159 but they don't all grow up to be serial killers. 1010 01:07:11,228 --> 01:07:15,030 Is this going somewhere, Bob? 1011 01:07:15,799 --> 01:07:19,267 It's like the parable of the two wolves. 1012 01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:21,236 And what's that? 1013 01:07:21,238 --> 01:07:23,138 A father is talking to his son, 1014 01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:27,242 and he says there are two wolves inside of us, 1015 01:07:27,244 --> 01:07:28,810 always at battle. 1016 01:07:28,812 --> 01:07:32,280 The good wolf represents things like kindness, 1017 01:07:32,282 --> 01:07:33,415 bravery, and love. 1018 01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:38,553 The bad wolf represents things like greed, hatred, and fear. 1019 01:07:38,555 --> 01:07:41,823 The son stops and thinks about it for a second, 1020 01:07:41,825 --> 01:07:44,959 and then looks at his father and says, 1021 01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:46,728 "Which one wins?" 1022 01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:52,834 And the father quietly replies, "The one we feed." 1023 01:07:56,006 --> 01:08:00,241 And I guess you think I fed the bad wolf, right? 1024 01:08:00,477 --> 01:08:01,476 Yeah. 1025 01:08:01,478 --> 01:08:02,577 Is it nature or nurture? 1026 01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:05,814 A little of both for sure, but the bottom line is this, 1027 01:08:05,816 --> 01:08:10,151 we all have a choice about the person we become. 1028 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,354 We create our own reality. 1029 01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:21,362 Ted Bundy, the notorious serial killer, 1030 01:08:21,364 --> 01:08:23,398 died today in the electric chair 1031 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,534 after a night of weeping and praying. 1032 01:08:51,261 --> 01:08:53,361 Let me do that. 1033 01:08:54,831 --> 01:08:55,997 So, 1034 01:08:56,166 --> 01:09:00,001 your first press conference as the new chief. 1035 01:09:00,937 --> 01:09:01,836 You nervous? 1036 01:09:01,838 --> 01:09:04,405 Almost 20 years of dealing with the press, 1037 01:09:04,407 --> 01:09:06,174 you get used to it. 1038 01:09:06,443 --> 01:09:07,475 I'm proud of you. 1039 01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:10,145 You deserve this, and you've worked hard for it. 1040 01:09:10,147 --> 01:09:11,779 I couldn't have done it without you. 1041 01:09:11,781 --> 01:09:15,550 Behind every great man is a great woman. 1042 01:09:15,552 --> 01:09:17,485 I know it's a cliche, 1043 01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:19,154 but it's true. 1044 01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:21,956 We're a team. 1045 01:09:21,958 --> 01:09:25,326 This isn't just my achievement, it's ours. 1046 01:09:26,062 --> 01:09:28,196 Can I confess something? 1047 01:09:28,798 --> 01:09:29,998 Yeah. 1048 01:09:31,535 --> 01:09:33,001 I'm relieved. 1049 01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:33,768 You are? 1050 01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,638 A desk job gets you off the streets, 1051 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,541 which means I'm gonna sleep better at night 1052 01:09:39,543 --> 01:09:42,043 knowing you'll be safe. 1053 01:09:47,217 --> 01:09:48,650 What's wrong? 1054 01:09:48,652 --> 01:09:50,084 Nothing. 1055 01:09:51,121 --> 01:09:51,986 There you go. 1056 01:09:51,988 --> 01:09:53,388 Thanks, honey. 1057 01:10:13,777 --> 01:10:17,478 You've faced much criticism over the years 1058 01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,283 for your failure to apprehend the Green River Killer, 1059 01:10:22,285 --> 01:10:26,921 how do you think the victims' families might feel 1060 01:10:26,923 --> 01:10:31,159 watching your career go from strength to strength 1061 01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:34,329 while the person who murdered their daughters 1062 01:10:34,331 --> 01:10:36,164 is still at large? 1063 01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:37,999 Yes, 1064 01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:42,770 I've spent almost two decades haunted by this. 1065 01:10:42,906 --> 01:10:46,074 My career has progressed, yes, 1066 01:10:46,243 --> 01:10:49,010 but it hasn't stopped the nightmares. 1067 01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:55,416 My arrest and conviction rate is the highest on the force, 1068 01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:57,285 but there is not a day goes by 1069 01:10:57,287 --> 01:11:01,789 when I don't think about the one that got away 1070 01:11:02,459 --> 01:11:04,993 and all the pain he caused. 1071 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,831 Which is why today, 1072 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,933 I am announcing 1073 01:11:11,935 --> 01:11:15,069 that I will be reforming the Green River Task Force. 1074 01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:20,174 Considerable resources will be diverted 1075 01:11:20,176 --> 01:11:21,643 to resuming the investigation, 1076 01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:24,912 and I will be personally overseeing it. 1077 01:11:24,914 --> 01:11:28,983 I want the victims' families to know one thing, 1078 01:11:29,052 --> 01:11:33,521 I will not rest until the killer is behind bars. 1079 01:11:47,604 --> 01:11:49,537 You saw the conference on TV? 1080 01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:50,672 I did. 1081 01:11:50,774 --> 01:11:53,574 I know you wanted me to play it safe 1082 01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:54,976 and stay behind a desk, 1083 01:11:54,978 --> 01:11:59,180 but I just can't let this one go. 1084 01:11:59,683 --> 01:12:05,620 You gave years to this, I saw what it did to you, 1085 01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:06,554 I'm worried. 1086 01:12:06,556 --> 01:12:08,156 I just gotta get back out there 1087 01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:09,857 and nail that son of a bitch. 1088 01:12:09,859 --> 01:12:11,059 And you think if you find him, 1089 01:12:11,061 --> 01:12:13,828 you're gonna not be haunted anymore? 1090 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:17,932 I don't know, but this isn't just about me. 1091 01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:21,169 You gave your life to public service, 1092 01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:24,205 you don't owe anyone anything. 1093 01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:31,879 If we'd have lost Deb, you'd want justice, wouldn't you? 1094 01:12:31,881 --> 01:12:33,314 Yes, of course, 1095 01:12:33,316 --> 01:12:38,119 but you being a martyr doesn't do anyone any favors. 1096 01:12:38,121 --> 01:12:41,522 When the case was active, you were here physically, 1097 01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:43,925 but your mind was miles away. 1098 01:12:43,927 --> 01:12:45,293 Is it a good thing for you 1099 01:12:45,295 --> 01:12:46,961 to fight for other people's families 1100 01:12:46,963 --> 01:12:48,763 when your own has to suffer for it? 1101 01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:52,967 You know I love you, but this is how I was made, 1102 01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,269 this is what you married. 1103 01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,840 Well, if you've made up your mind, 1104 01:12:58,842 --> 01:13:03,778 I guess there's nothing else for me to say. 1105 01:13:07,751 --> 01:13:09,550 Well, do you support me? 1106 01:13:10,687 --> 01:13:12,954 I can't do this without you. 1107 01:13:15,058 --> 01:13:19,093 I'll always be by your side, you know that. 1108 01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,162 And I hope when you find this guy, 1109 01:13:21,164 --> 01:13:25,833 you get the inner peace that you're seeking. 1110 01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:42,350 One of the victims, Marsha Intola, 1111 01:13:42,352 --> 01:13:45,853 the one who was posed with the fish and the wine... 1112 01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:46,654 Yeah? 1113 01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,123 She was stripped naked like the others, 1114 01:13:49,125 --> 01:13:50,958 but there was a dress found nearby 1115 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,194 which was identified as hers. 1116 01:13:53,196 --> 01:13:55,363 There was a semen sample taken from the dress. 1117 01:13:55,365 --> 01:13:59,333 We also recovered semen from several of the victims. 1118 01:13:59,335 --> 01:14:02,236 I know we established many years back 1119 01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,939 that the samples were all from the same man, 1120 01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:07,408 we just did not have the technology 1121 01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:09,944 for a more detailed DNA profile. 1122 01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:12,113 So what can we do now? 1123 01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:15,516 Our advances mean that the sample from the discarded dress 1124 01:14:15,518 --> 01:14:18,219 will stand strong against the suspects 1125 01:14:18,221 --> 01:14:19,454 we have on our database. 1126 01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:21,889 We should also be able to get matches 1127 01:14:21,891 --> 01:14:26,394 on the semen samples retrieved from the other victims. 1128 01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:28,396 Okay. 1129 01:14:28,832 --> 01:14:30,331 Let's get it done. 1130 01:14:44,681 --> 01:14:46,280 These are the results? 1131 01:14:46,549 --> 01:14:47,682 The same guy's DNA matches 1132 01:14:47,684 --> 01:14:50,451 every sample recovered from the victims. 1133 01:14:50,553 --> 01:14:53,554 I don't even need to open this. 1134 01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:58,459 It's Gary Ridgway, isn't it? 1135 01:15:17,714 --> 01:15:19,514 Let's go get him. 1136 01:15:47,076 --> 01:15:48,776 Put your hands in the air. 1137 01:15:48,778 --> 01:15:53,281 One false move and I'll put two in the back of your head. 1138 01:15:53,283 --> 01:15:56,551 Slowly, put your hands behind your back. 1139 01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:05,626 Gotcha, asshole. 1140 01:16:14,437 --> 01:16:16,070 In the early 1980s, 1141 01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,806 the area around the Green River, south of Seattle, 1142 01:16:18,808 --> 01:16:19,907 was the site of one of 1143 01:16:19,909 --> 01:16:21,475 the most gruesome serial-killing sprees 1144 01:16:21,477 --> 01:16:22,677 this country has ever seen. 1145 01:16:22,679 --> 01:16:24,712 At least 49 women, police say, 1146 01:16:24,714 --> 01:16:26,380 mostly prostitutes and runaways, 1147 01:16:26,382 --> 01:16:28,783 disappeared or were found murdered 1148 01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,318 along this stretch of water. 1149 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,920 Gary Leon Ridgway, now in custody, 1150 01:16:32,922 --> 01:16:34,288 was a prime suspect back then, 1151 01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,792 but police didn't have enough evidence to make a solid case. 1152 01:16:37,794 --> 01:16:39,727 Now, new technology, police say, 1153 01:16:39,729 --> 01:16:40,962 has linked Ridgway's DNA 1154 01:16:40,964 --> 01:16:42,997 with DNA found on three of the Green River victims, 1155 01:16:42,999 --> 01:16:47,101 while other evidence, police say, ties him to a fourth. 1156 01:16:47,103 --> 01:16:48,202 A team of scientists 1157 01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:51,038 spent more than 800 hours on the lab work. 1158 01:16:55,244 --> 01:16:58,846 They got you chained up pretty good there, don't they? 1159 01:17:00,383 --> 01:17:01,349 Yeah. 1160 01:17:01,351 --> 01:17:02,817 They must be concerned about 1161 01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:06,020 whether or not you're gonna run off? 1162 01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:08,656 I guess so. 1163 01:17:08,658 --> 01:17:10,858 You wouldn't do that, would you? 1164 01:17:11,728 --> 01:17:13,194 Not this time. 1165 01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,803 Give us a minute, will you, Tom? 1166 01:17:22,805 --> 01:17:24,171 Sure. 1167 01:17:33,016 --> 01:17:36,517 I'm the lead investigator on this case. 1168 01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:38,452 I know. 1169 01:17:38,454 --> 01:17:40,421 That means you and I must've stood 1170 01:17:40,423 --> 01:17:42,923 in a lot of the same places. 1171 01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,559 I think we stood in every place. 1172 01:17:45,561 --> 01:17:47,762 What do you think about that? 1173 01:17:47,897 --> 01:17:51,532 You were on one side, I was on the other. 1174 01:17:51,834 --> 01:17:56,671 Where I killed them, you were the one who recovered them. 1175 01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:58,939 Now, 1176 01:17:58,941 --> 01:18:00,441 finally, 1177 01:18:00,443 --> 01:18:01,676 we meet. 1178 01:18:01,678 --> 01:18:02,910 Yeah. 1179 01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:07,882 I've been working on this case a long time. 1180 01:18:08,751 --> 01:18:12,586 Looks like I've caused you a few gray hairs. 1181 01:18:13,423 --> 01:18:18,392 So, Gary, you've been pretty forthcoming so far, 1182 01:18:18,594 --> 01:18:21,929 but do I know everything there is to know? 1183 01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:24,532 Yeah, I'm not holding anything back. 1184 01:18:26,636 --> 01:18:28,069 Can you really look me in the eye 1185 01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:31,639 and tell me you're not holding anything back? 1186 01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,947 I haven't been, um, 1187 01:18:39,949 --> 01:18:40,848 you know-- 1188 01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,885 Wait a minute, your eyes are going back and forth. 1189 01:18:47,423 --> 01:18:48,989 I'm not lying to you. 1190 01:18:48,991 --> 01:18:50,591 Yes, you are. 1191 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:52,960 The thing is, Gary, 1192 01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:55,596 you and I can be enemies 1193 01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:58,299 or we can be buddies, 1194 01:18:58,668 --> 01:19:00,935 that's your choice. 1195 01:19:00,937 --> 01:19:02,870 If you're gonna keep lying to me, 1196 01:19:02,872 --> 01:19:04,805 then we'll be enemies. 1197 01:19:05,141 --> 01:19:08,642 So, what you gonna do? 1198 01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:12,713 I don't know what you want. 1199 01:19:12,715 --> 01:19:14,615 The bodies. 1200 01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:20,154 There are more, aren't there? 1201 01:19:24,961 --> 01:19:26,160 Yes. 1202 01:19:27,797 --> 01:19:32,600 So, how are we gonna work together? 1203 01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:36,036 You want me to tell you where they are? 1204 01:19:36,038 --> 01:19:37,304 Yes. 1205 01:19:37,707 --> 01:19:40,808 We're gonna find every last one of them. 1206 01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:47,882 Alright. 1207 01:19:49,552 --> 01:19:52,953 My memory is hazy, but I'll try. 1208 01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:54,221 Yes, you will. 1209 01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:22,616 We should've gotten some champagne to celebrate. 1210 01:20:22,618 --> 01:20:26,787 That's alright, I'm just happy to be here with you both. 1211 01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:28,856 How do you feel, Dad? 1212 01:20:28,858 --> 01:20:30,157 Relieved. 1213 01:20:30,393 --> 01:20:34,662 But the hardest part of it all...memories. 1214 01:20:34,664 --> 01:20:38,833 You'll get some closure now that you've caught the guy. 1215 01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:45,439 Yeah, Dad, it's finally over. 1216 01:21:41,864 --> 01:21:44,565 Bob, what you doing here? 1217 01:21:44,567 --> 01:21:47,434 Thought I'd pay you a visit given the recent headlines. 1218 01:21:47,436 --> 01:21:51,105 I stopped by the house, Sandra said you might be here. 1219 01:21:51,107 --> 01:21:53,007 It's good to see you. 1220 01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:54,508 Been a while? 1221 01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:55,943 Yeah, it has. 1222 01:21:55,945 --> 01:21:58,178 I think congratulations are in order. 1223 01:21:58,180 --> 01:22:00,114 It was a team game, 1224 01:22:00,116 --> 01:22:01,582 you were part of that team, 1225 01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:03,817 you should give yourself a pat on the back. 1226 01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:07,688 I think we can all be thankful for the advances in DNA. 1227 01:22:07,690 --> 01:22:09,189 True. 1228 01:22:09,191 --> 01:22:11,258 So, what now? 1229 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:12,726 Time to move on. 1230 01:22:12,929 --> 01:22:17,431 Ridgway's behind bars, the healing can begin. 1231 01:22:19,468 --> 01:22:24,338 You know, there's one thing I keep asking myself. 1232 01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:27,408 How do we stop this thing from happening again? 1233 01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:28,542 There are a multitude of things 1234 01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:30,644 we could do to make a difference, 1235 01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:34,214 greater education from a psychology standpoint, 1236 01:22:34,216 --> 01:22:37,618 spotting the warning signs of psychopathy early on. 1237 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,287 From a law enforcement standpoint, we have 1238 01:22:40,289 --> 01:22:42,823 advances in DNA and a better network 1239 01:22:42,825 --> 01:22:45,793 of communication between the agencies. 1240 01:22:46,028 --> 01:22:50,798 But, maybe I'm getting soft in my old age, 1241 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,566 I just can't help thinking about it 1242 01:22:52,568 --> 01:22:54,835 from a philosophical standpoint. 1243 01:22:55,237 --> 01:22:56,236 I'm intrigued. 1244 01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:59,907 Well, if those of us who are positive in our intentions 1245 01:22:59,909 --> 01:23:01,976 spread enough love and light, 1246 01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:03,877 maybe there won't be so much darkness 1247 01:23:03,879 --> 01:23:05,012 for evil to maneuver in. 1248 01:23:05,014 --> 01:23:08,182 I never had you down as an idealist, Bob. 1249 01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:10,017 I never used to be. 1250 01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:12,987 But the times, they are a changing. 1251 01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:15,022 You know what? 1252 01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:22,563 I think you're right. 90959

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