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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,720 I love playing, you know. Love playing. 2 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:18,600 But, uh, when I think about playing, and... Uh... 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,440 ..what it's all about, it's a big difference, in a way, isn't it? 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,600 # Shall I tell you about my life? 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,680 # They say I'm a man of the world 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:39,120 # I've flown across every tide 7 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,080 # And I've seen lots of pretty girls... # 8 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:54,160 It was an incredibly short run. And yet we're still talking about it, nearly 40 years, or so,later. 9 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,760 That's interesting. 10 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,480 # I guess I've got everything I need 11 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,520 # I wouldn't ask for more 12 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:13,000 # And there's no-one I'd rather be 13 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,800 # I just wish that I had never been born... # 14 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,800 You can't ignore the name Peter Green, you know, and Peter has not given up. 15 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,080 And Peter has not gone away. And Peter won't go away. 16 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,080 In San Francisco. 17 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,040 But then, I was the first one to take it. And then I started preaching it to the others. 18 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,880 And it was with The Grateful Dead. 19 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,320 Falling. You kind of fall, like faint. You encounter it. 20 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:49,680 He was always...sensitive. To the other side. 21 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,640 # And I need a good woman 22 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,200 # To make me feel like a good man should... # 23 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,280 I was always told it was six. It was the sixth one that did it. 24 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 This is someone who's in a lot of trouble. 25 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:10,720 We all dutifully went the same way, except he didn't fully recover from that journey. 26 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,400 # I could tell you about my life... # 27 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,640 I don't blame what happened to Peter Green on LSD or anything. 28 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,800 It's all about finding that peace within yourself. 29 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,320 There's quite a large resentment about these people that actually did that to him. 30 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,080 # How I don't want to be sad any more 31 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,080 # And how I wish I was in love. # 32 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,040 I actually interviewed BB King. 33 00:02:54,040 --> 00:03:00,280 He said that the only guitarist that sent shivers down his spine was Peter Green. 34 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,240 I think Peter's voice became almost more important than his guitar playing, in many ways. 35 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,480 And it was totally... There was a realness to it. 36 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,600 I like him more for his song writing than his guitar playing. 37 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,080 His guitar playing's... He's without question the best British blues guitarist, ever. 38 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,960 # Need someone's hand 39 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,240 # To lead me through the night 40 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,560 # I need someone's arms 41 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,240 # To hold and squeeze me tight... # 42 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:44,120 Peter at his prime in the '60s was without equal. I mean, he was a force to be reckoned with! 43 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,720 # I'm at an end 44 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,440 # Because I need 45 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,040 # Your love so bad 46 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,400 # I need some lips 47 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,400 # To feel next to mine... # 48 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,000 Old Bethnal Green Road, E2. 49 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,480 And that's where I used to live. Number 18, there. 50 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,920 When Peter was ten, my older brother, Lenny, was having lessons on the guitar. 51 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,000 And he found out later he was tone-deaf, 52 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,280 so he decided it wasn't for him. 53 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:33,280 So, he gave the guitar to Peter, but showed him three chords. E, A and B7. 54 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:37,800 After about, I suppose, six to eight months, 55 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Peter was doing really well. And I said to my mum, 56 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,480 "Has that little sod got my record player on up there?" I could hear it. 57 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,160 And it was him playing. 58 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,440 Peter honed his guitar skills listening to the early skiffle bands. 59 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:57,960 By the time he was 18, he had already played stints with Peter B's Looners and Shotgun Express, 60 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,840 But Peter was increasingly drawn towards the new burgeoning blues scene. 61 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:05,200 John Mayall was one of these bands, of course, 62 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,880 that played ethnic blues and kinda stuck with it. 63 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:15,720 Um, and people came in and out of his band. He always had an eye for a really good musician. 64 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,120 And particularly a good guitarist. 65 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,840 And his first one, of course, that everybody knew about, was Eric Clapton. 66 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:26,320 On one occasion, Eric had left the band. 67 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,680 Gosh, this must've been about '64, I guess. 68 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,240 And his replacement was Peter Green. 69 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Well, he was one of the many candidates 70 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,160 who put their names forward for the job of replacing Eric, 71 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:45,440 when Eric cleared off to Greece on that abortive effort of The Glands, or whatever that was. 72 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:51,400 But Peter was a lot better than any of the ones I'd been trying out already and he was very persistent. 73 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,960 So, ultimately, I gave him a shot at it. 74 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,440 The lead guitarist spot in The Bluesbreakers 75 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,800 was the most coveted in Britain, wasn't it? 76 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,360 You know. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can be in Oasis, as long as you've got the right haircut. 77 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,600 When John Mayall went for the first recording session with Peter, 78 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:14,080 walked into the studio and I think Mike Vernon, who was the producer at the time, 79 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,280 noticed that there was a different amplifier amongst the set-up in the studio, 80 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,440 and sort of said, "Whose is that then?" 81 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,640 And we said, "Oh, we've got a new guitarist. We got rid of Eric." 82 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,800 He said, "Oh, my God, what you mean, you've got rid of Eric?" 83 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,320 "This one's much better," said John Mayall. 84 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,400 "Much better than Eric Clapton?!" 85 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,200 My God! Who have you found that could possibly be better than that? 86 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,040 So I didn't know Peter Green. Very affable guy, very quiet, 87 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,960 And I thought, well, he's gonna have to be pretty damn good 88 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,400 if he's gonna fill Eric's footsteps. 89 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,840 Well, from the moment that Peter plugged in and started playing, 90 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:03,200 I never had any doubts that he was going to be as good as Eric, 91 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,680 within the Bluesbreaker framework, but different. 92 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,440 And I think that was the secret, that was the secret. And I think John already knew. 93 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,800 He could play all the licks, do all the things that Eric could do, 94 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,800 but he wasn't going to do them. He was going to do them his way. 95 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:28,240 I think Peter had a hard time convincing the audience of his integrity and his power, 96 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,240 because people were all dead set on hearing Eric with the band, you know. 97 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,560 Around this time, Eric had become a god, 98 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,600 along with the graffiti on the walls, you know, "Eric is God." 99 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,040 "We want God! We want God!" 100 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:47,640 I seem to recall going up at one stage and, "Get off, big nose!" I can even recall! 101 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:53,280 Poor Peter suffered a bit of this abuse, but gradually, I think he won them over. 102 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,040 Because it was pretty obvious that he was a great guitarist. 103 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,000 People took to Peter, 104 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,720 after a few, "Where's Eric?" Or whatever. 105 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,200 "Eric's God!" It wasn't too long after that it was The Green God. 106 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,680 That did lead to doing the Hard Road album. 107 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,240 By that time Ainsley Dunbar was the drummer. 108 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:21,800 And McVie was still the bass player, so it was a very powerful unit. 109 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,160 The very first time I ever met Peter was in the studio when we did the Hard Road album. 110 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,760 I certainly don't remember ever having met him prior to that. 111 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,840 My memories are he had a little joke here and there, you could see he had a character. 112 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,840 But the thing that mattered the most was the way he played. 113 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,360 The Supernatural was something Peter got together on his own. 114 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,400 And we just stood by and just accompanied him on that one. 115 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,280 But the way of recording back then was only on four tracks. 116 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,840 So there was a lot of layers that he put on it, you know, 117 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:12,080 where he'd over-dubbed different octaves of the same tune and built up a very haunting piece. 118 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,320 Not only did he make the very best of it as a guitar player, 119 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:37,200 but he also showed, unlike Eric, who was very quiet and very subdued about his ability as a singer. 120 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,320 Peter had no doubt whatsoever. 121 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,320 # You don't love me, baby 122 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,360 # And you don't love me Yes, I know... # 123 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,640 Peter enjoyed playing with John McVie, 124 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,160 but John Mayall thought drummer, Ainsley Dunbar, was getting far too technical. 125 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,560 Peter seemed to have a hand in recruiting Mick Fleetwood, his old drummer from the Looners. 126 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,280 I joined John Mayall only for a very short time. 127 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:08,120 John McVie, Mick Fleetwood and the bottle was not a good combination. 128 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,560 Well, Ainsley said to John Mayall, on the last day he was working with us, 129 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:15,800 he came up and said, "Any money about, John?" 130 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,840 And John said, "I've got some bad news for you actually, Ainsley." 131 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,480 And Mick Fleetwood's standing there, and I thought, "I bet he thinks that I got him to..." 132 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,320 But I didn't, I was leaving. 133 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,000 I knew that, you know, my tenure was going to be fairly short-lived. 134 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,320 So I had this gig manifold thing, 135 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:38,560 I'm in the back there, I said, "John," it was Leicester or wherever it was, Nottingham Boat Club. 136 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:42,160 I said, "Probably by then I'll probably be fired, right?" 137 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,600 And it wasn't too far from the truth. 138 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,120 With the new Bluesbreakers line-up of Green, Fleetwood and McVie, 139 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,960 John Mayall gave Peter an unusual birthday present. 140 00:10:52,960 --> 00:11:00,320 For Peter's birthday I bought them some studio time, so they could have a go at making a single, 141 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,240 with Mike Vernon's blessing. 142 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:09,240 And they did go into the studio without me and they put together a few songs. 143 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,160 We actually recorded the Bluesbreakers as a trio, at the Decca Studios, 144 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,840 which gave Peter the opportunity to really, kinda, do things that he wasn't able to do 145 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,480 within the Bluesbreakers format with John actually playing and singing. 146 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,080 Off we went and Peter recorded a song, an instrumental. 147 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,480 And Gus, or whoever else was in there said, 148 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,440 "What do you want to call this? Just while we're doing it?" 149 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,440 He said, "Well, let's call this Fleetwood Mac. 150 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,480 "Cos Mick and John are here." 151 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:48,080 Peter did say to me at one point, "I'm thinking seriously about leaving The Bluesbreakers. 152 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,840 "Cos I really wanna form my own band." 153 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,520 That whole vibe of Fleetwood Mac, 154 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,760 it came out of those sessions. 155 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:11,680 But Peter was very, very generous, and absolutely did not want to be the main dude. 156 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:14,960 Peter said to me, "Look. If I form this band, 157 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:21,160 "I would like you to produce the records, but I'm a bit worried about signing a deal withDecca 158 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,400 "because they have Mayall's Bluesbreakers. 159 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:30,920 "It would be very unkind of me to do that, especially if our band became very, very successful." 160 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,560 So, I took it to CBS. They just flipped. They flipped. 161 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:38,680 And said, "We'll sign the band." There was no discussion, "We'll sign the band." 162 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:41,840 So we actually went back into the studio and recorded other material, 163 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,840 which John McVie was not involved in, Bob Brunning became the bass player, 164 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,960 and Jeremy Spencer was added, somebody that I had demoed for Decca, 165 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,360 when he was part of, I believe the band was called the Levi Set Blues Group. 166 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,680 There had been an ad in The Melody Maker, 167 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:59,600 written by Mike Vernon. 168 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,760 If anybody knows of local talent, blues players. 169 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,680 Cos he will arrange a meeting, audition, come and hear you. 170 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:13,960 And he's just like, "Yeah, we should do something. I'm gonna tell Peter Green about you." 171 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Mike Vernon got Jeremy Spencer from... 172 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,800 I went to see him in Litchfield, North of England. 173 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:27,760 Well, actually, when I first met him, you know, he's sitting there with people around him. 174 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,040 He goes, "Jeremy Spencer?" "Yeah. Peter Green?" He goes, "Yeah. 175 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,200 "What's up, man?" And we shake hands. 176 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:41,520 I said, "Hi. Do you ever listen to Elmore James?" 177 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:47,080 "Oh, all the time. Do you ever listen to BB King?" And I said, "Oh, yeah." "OK, all right." 178 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,520 That was our only exchange, you know. 179 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:55,480 I said, "You wanna give it a go, let's give it a go." Two lead guitarists, you know. Two vocalists. 180 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,040 I said, "Well, you're asking me... You want me to join the band?" 181 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,520 He said, "Look. You're the first guitarist that's made me smile since Jimi Hendrix." 182 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,800 He said, "When you start playing, I got a smile." 183 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,880 And then it was like, OK, let's do this. 184 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,120 And we wanted John to join the band, 185 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,440 John wouldn't, because he wasn't sure whether the money was gonna be there. 186 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,240 But Peter called it Fleetwood Mac, because he knew damn well that John would come. 187 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,200 So when I met Pete later, I said, "Why you wanna call it Fleetwood Mac?" 188 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,600 He said, "Look, we'll have a band, 189 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,240 "but I'll leave the band, 190 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,600 "you'll leave the band." 191 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,400 We hadn't even started yet and he's talking about leaving. 192 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,680 He said, "You're gonna form another band, your own band. I'm gonna form another band. 193 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,840 "They're my friends, what are they gonna have? I'm gonna leave 'em with a name." 194 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,400 I didn't really take much notice of it. 195 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,480 But in retrospect, it's like, boy. 196 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,720 He knew even then, you know. 197 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Maybe he did, you know. 198 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,840 I just thought he did it cos we just happened to be sitting there. He couldn't think of anything else. 199 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,160 That's a perfect example of his lack of self, 200 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,840 when we actually formed Fleetwood Mac, he chose that name. 201 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:17,440 And, believe me, anyone and everyone around us said, "It's gotta be Peter Green, cos you're the dude." 202 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,360 And he said, "No. I wanna be in a band." 203 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,720 Fleetwood Mac's just a good name. 204 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,920 It's strange how those things happen, isn't it? 205 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,640 When you've got a band called Fleetwood Mac 206 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,520 and you haven't got anyone called Mac in it to start with. 207 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:34,640 And Peter was furious, cos the first album actually was called Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. 208 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,920 And that was all completely done against his will. 209 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:45,280 And I understand why they did it, cos it's like, "Hey, we wanna get as much traction as we can." 210 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,200 But Peter never really wanted that at all. And, of course, that was it. 211 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,320 After that it was just Fleetwood Mac. 212 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,920 # Shake your money maker Shake your money maker 213 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,960 # You gotta shake your money maker Shake your money maker 214 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,760 # You gotta shake your money maker And then... # 215 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,040 Well, none of us knew anything at all, really. 216 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,560 To any great extent, what we had on tape, captured exactly, 217 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,560 where we were at that particular point, at the beginning. 218 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,640 It was really plug in and play. 219 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,120 That was the band that was to walk on stage. 220 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,560 There was an awful lot of pressure on everybody to get a record out fast, 221 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,920 because the buzz around Fleetwood Mac in those early days was quite phenomenal. 222 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,520 Everybody wanted to go and see them. Everybody wanted to interview Peter. 223 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Everybody said, "When's the record coming out? Come on, get on with it!" 224 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,080 One of the tracks from the album 225 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,080 was in fact the first single Fleetwood Mac ever had. 226 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,440 And it was Jeremy's My Heart Beat Like A Hammer. 227 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,560 # I woke up one morning 228 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,080 # Waking with the rising sun 229 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,960 # I woke up one morning 230 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,920 # Waking with the rising sun 231 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,640 # Thought about my baby 232 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,120 # That I would do what she'd done... # 233 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:34,200 I kind of had my idea of how it would sound, 234 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,600 and when I went into the studio to listen to the playback, 235 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,920 the first time I'd really heard myself back... "Doesn't sound like Elmore enough!" 236 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,880 I said, "Can't we put some reverb on the voice?" 237 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Pete said, "No, no, no. Voice dry, coming through like that, flat. 238 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,240 "That's how it's supposed to sound." 239 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:10,040 It was in the Top 20, or maybe more, for a year. 240 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,960 I knew. I knew they were gonna be a huge band. I can't explain it, it's just something you know. 241 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:21,680 Fleetwood Mac was really straight into the deep end. 242 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:28,280 And then it expanded out of that. And proportionally went into an area that... 243 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,080 We had no idea. 244 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,680 And no doubt having a front man such as Peter was a major part of that. 245 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,200 Gradually, we did begin to see changes. 246 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,160 Obviously, the most immediate change was with Black Magic Woman, 247 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,520 which had an interesting theme and had a really nice feel to it. 248 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,480 A nice rhythmical feel to it. And a pretty catchy little melody. 249 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:56,840 # I've got a black magic woman 250 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,880 # Yes I've got a black magic woman 251 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,480 # Got me so blind I can't see... # 252 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:11,000 When I was a kid, things I was afraid of, I used to try to overcome... 253 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,720 I remember once, they showed a play on television. 254 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,520 With the title, Black Magic, whatever it was, 255 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,360 there was a whole group of, like, skulls and things you would have. 256 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,840 It was so frightening. 257 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,000 I forget now about it, because I kind of dispelled it with the Black Magic Woman. 258 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,960 I kind of dispelled my fear of it. 259 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,240 There's no doubt that some of the famous songs, such as Black Magic Woman, 260 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,760 I'm sure had some direct influences 261 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,480 from things that were attached to Peter, musically. 262 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:50,720 My girlfriend who stayed with me when I lived in a flat 263 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:57,440 in the same block as John Mayall had a flat in, 264 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,400 she was the black magic woman, I guess. I had to call her something. 265 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,280 She could've been magic something, I had to call her... 266 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,320 I was sitting on my own one day, and I thought maybe I should call her something. 267 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,840 The words don't really mean all that much at all. 268 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,400 Only, sort of, things that were to do with the girl, dedicated to the girl. Things she used to say. 269 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,960 "Don't turn your back on me." Sometimes we used to climb in bed at night, I would... 270 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:36,360 If I faced the other way she would, sort of, pretend she didn't want me to do that, you know. 271 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,520 She would say it in a, sort of, sobby sort of way. Soft sort of way. 272 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Meanwhile, across the Atlantic, 273 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,720 a young Carlos Santana would pick up on Black Magic Woman, 274 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,120 adding his own unique spin, 275 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,240 and turning it into a multi-million selling classic. 276 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,840 He started hearing about our band. 277 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:59,600 And especially when we covered Black Magic Woman. 278 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,320 And we took it to another level 279 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,360 that, to this day, people still feel that it's our song. 280 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,520 With all respect to him. 281 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,720 But then, he understood that he also needed to expand Fleetwood Mac. 282 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:41,560 He had this picture on himself, I think it was me, he called it Mr Wonderful. 283 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,800 When we did the second album, Mr Wonderful, 284 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,200 much more time was spent. 285 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,960 Although it still probably only actually works out to be about five working days in the studio. 286 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,160 I was a bit more Freddie King in this one. Trying to play like that. 287 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,200 But I listen to what I did on this, my stuff, 288 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,280 and once again I can't... 289 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:08,440 ..say that I'm doing anything which is like what I'm trying to cover. 290 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,000 It's OK, if you don't care about that. 291 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:17,160 Yeah, there were times in the studio where Peter seemed to go into a reflective state. 292 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:23,800 You know, where he would drift. He'd look slightly at the ceiling, or he'd look at somethingelse, 293 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,680 and you could see he was thinking and the cogs were turning. 294 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,160 And you'd wonder, was he thinking, "Should I do it again? 295 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,480 "Should I listen to what Mike's telling me, 296 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,360 "or should I just ignore him and do what I should need to do?" Or...you know. 297 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:40,920 And then suddenly he'd snap out of it. And he'd make some off-the-cuff, comical remark, 298 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,280 and it was Peter again. 299 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,280 And, of course, Christine was playing piano on this stuff. 300 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,280 She couldn't see anybody, nobody could see her, 301 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,840 it was a nightmare, you know. 302 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:58,080 Peter knew how he wanted it to be, and quite often would stop if he didn't think it was right. 303 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,160 I drew a picture of me in here. I don't know how I got that good-looking. 304 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,440 I'm not as good-looking as that. 305 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,120 But it's a terrific picture of me with a terrific smile. 306 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:14,000 The band's fame began to grow as their first album made the UK Top Ten. 307 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,000 But their notoriety was growing for a completely different reason. 308 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,840 All of us, including Jeremy, 309 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:26,200 who was probably our prime cheerleader, were incredibly rude. 310 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:32,200 And there were those moments when I'd be filling up condoms on the end of Jeremy's guitar. 311 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,640 And, yes, we had a condom filled with milk, and it was tied on the end of my guitar. 312 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,160 Hanging like that. 313 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,440 And, you know, as I'm playing... 314 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Walked out with it on there. Course it brings the house down. 315 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,880 Probably in Germany or Holland, in the red light district of some such place, 316 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,680 we found this huge dildo which we called Harold. 317 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,840 Harold was... He appeared quite regularly. He was a stand-up guy. 318 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,920 And Harold was brought on the middle of a tray, usually, by Hugh Price, our road manager, 319 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,680 with beer and a few drinks around Harold. 320 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,080 And Harold would come off the tray, 321 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:14,760 and it would reside where he would undulate on my bass drum for the rest of the show. 322 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,560 Harold, we used to call it. 323 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,560 I think we got banned from the Marquee for that. 324 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:26,240 One night I went into the toilet, and found two lavatory chains with balls on them, 325 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,160 wrapped them round my lower section, 326 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,240 and that was it. 327 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,000 And those balls, sadly - although they lasted a long, long time - 328 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,520 the original originals went by the wayside at some point. 329 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,240 But I have a set of balls that are right... No, uh... 330 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,960 I will never play a Fleetwood Mac gig without wearing them. 331 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,040 The band was just doing, basically, anything it wanted to do. 332 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,800 And getting away with it. 333 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,840 It got pretty raunchy there for quite a while. Especially at the Marquee. 334 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,520 But it was a bit early days, I think, for that kind of exhibitionism. 335 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,480 And certainly in the blues world. I mean, God, if someone like BB King had witnessed it, 336 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,800 heaven knows what he would've thought! 337 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:19,400 It was like an antidote to getting just too damn serious. 338 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,560 If you had ever been at any of those early gigs, 339 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,960 and witnessed, you know, 600 plus people, you know, "Oh!" 340 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,480 Like this, it was the most phenomenal thing to see. 341 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,240 Then you realised that to be selling as many records as they were they had to appeal to a wideaudience, 342 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,880 who didn't know who the hell Elmore James was, who Hound Dog Taylor was, or BB King. And didn't care. 343 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,480 They just knew who Fleetwood Mac was. 344 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,800 # Well now look for me, baby 345 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,760 # Cos you know I'm coming home 346 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,480 # Well now look for me, baby 347 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,400 # Cos you know I'm coming home 348 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:07,720 # Well, I may not love you, darling 349 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,680 # But you know you done me wrong... # 350 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,520 Our first tour in America was all about, 351 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,240 "Oh, my God, we're going to where "it" all came from," you know. 352 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,800 And, we were very excited, sort of, literally quite frightened, 353 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:33,360 I remember we wouldn't dare go out on the street in New York, and stuff like that. 354 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:38,480 We thought we were all gonna get stabbed and mugged, which was maybe half true. 355 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,800 And I say San Francisco, more than anywhere else, because it was in The Day. 356 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,680 You know, it was just after the wane of Haight-Ashbury. 357 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:53,400 The first tour, we did some dates at The Shrine. We did some dates in New York and San Francisco. 358 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,480 And there weren't many dates on the tour. 359 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,120 It was just a, sort of, put-your-toe-in-the-water-type tour, was the truth. 360 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:05,920 At that time, Blue Horizon in the States was run by a chap called Seymour Stein, 361 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,400 and I'd been to see Seymour in New York... 362 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,480 And he just wouldn't give us any money. 363 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:19,040 We sat around several times for three weeks, living on Dunkin' Donuts and stuff, 364 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,840 and realising that, uh...you know... 365 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,720 ..we had to cut the expenses down, so all the road crew would be all in one room. 366 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,840 We weren't famous. We weren't anywhere near famous. 367 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,880 We were just struggling again to be noticed. 368 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,440 Promoters couldn't believe it, that you'd go on and play a two and a half hour set, 369 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,800 and then say, "We'll play the next one for you, too, if you want. 370 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,840 "And for no money, or whatever. Seriously!" 371 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,640 We would be in hotel rooms afterwards, playing in every major city, 372 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,840 and of course you get the...young kids coming back there, 373 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,040 and the smoke would be filling the room, and towels on the door... 374 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560 And...you'd hear all the stories. 375 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,120 And the whole political atmosphere... 376 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:14,800 The Nixon...stuff, and all that. 377 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240 So it was a bit of an eye-opener. 378 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600 Especially coming from England which none of that... 379 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,760 The hippy thing for England was Carnaby Street and Chelsea, and, you know... 380 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,720 How you layered your hair. 381 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,600 The Real Deal was there, I think. 382 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,160 Bill Graham was starting to do his magic, 383 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,920 and you'd have these incredible line-ups where you'd get, like, 384 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,560 Buddy Guy, Country Joe And The Fish, 385 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,800 Tina Turner, Ike and Tina Turner and Fleetwood Mac. 386 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:48,120 I have a memory of Grateful Dead, 387 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,480 with, uh, Jerry Garcia, 388 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,240 had heard about Peter. 389 00:28:54,240 --> 00:29:00,720 People had heard about Fleetwood Mac, but they'd heard about this guy - Peter. 390 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Especially players. 391 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:09,200 And they met us at the airport. And we didn't have a clue who they were, you know. 392 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Of course, in San Francisco they're like God. 393 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,760 From the Grateful Dead we got complete freedom. 394 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,160 They were lovers of complete freedom. 395 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,040 And I used to just play freely on stage with them, 396 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,920 with the boys sometimes. 397 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,720 We just used to do that. Play anything you wanna do. 398 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Grateful Dead's soundman became very famous, his name was Owsley, 399 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,760 known to many as The Bear. 400 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,200 And, it was in the day when him and his wife were trained... 401 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,200 Or, his wife was a trained chemist. 402 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,760 And it was not illegal. 403 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,400 And they made their fame and fortune, 404 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,080 and the fortune was making lysergic acid - LSD. 405 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,560 And he was just sat there 406 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,640 in the back of the dressing room of the Shrine, 407 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,920 uh, preaching acid. 408 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,360 And he said, "Look, Peter Fonda, 409 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,760 "look at the Beatles, I got the Beatles turned on, 410 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,640 "I got Jimi turned on. 411 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,680 "I got all these guys, and look what happened to their music. 412 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,360 "If you guys want to develop..." 413 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Cos we were just doing blues, the four of us. 414 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,320 It was just straight blues. No experimental thing at all. 415 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,040 "You gotta do it." 416 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,800 They all said, "Well, you gotta take some acid," you know. 417 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,040 And of course, "Oh, we're not taking that stuff, give us a pint of beer." 418 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,200 I was dead set against it. 419 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,600 I said, "I don't think this is right," you know. 420 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,600 I was a real straight, in some ways. 421 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,440 But then I was the first one to take it. 422 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,400 And then I started preaching it to the others. 423 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,440 The Beatles, they...did, uh, Sergeant Pepper, 424 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,840 a fairly big advertisement for it, wasn't it? 425 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,880 And, um... Jerry Garcia, well, the Grateful Dead, 426 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,160 they used to give their audience along the front LSD. 427 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,240 And eventually, of course, we succumbed, 428 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:11,080 and that was the beginning of a whole other, sort of, drug chapter that, uh... 429 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,520 That affected us. 430 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,280 Stanley, yeah... 431 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:21,480 Yeah, he gave me a little sip of a drink and I took that. I guess it was laced. 432 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,400 I kinda knew it was. 433 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,080 So, I did take it, but, um... 434 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,280 And he said I had a little smile on my face, 435 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,200 but... I went with this girl... 436 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,320 We went back to her house, I stayed with her. 437 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,960 It wasn't like it would usually be, with a girl. 438 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,800 If I hadn't taken the LSD. Well, it was like, sort of, church. 439 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,400 A church incident. 440 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,120 But it was good. Yeah, I guess. 441 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,840 Oh, we had some. Me and Mick. And Jeremy, actually. 442 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,040 And our mate, Owsley, gave us some, and we went out to, uh... 443 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,520 Muir Beach. 444 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520 But I didn't talk to God. 445 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,680 I just felt a bit strange. 446 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,840 And we were playing at the Warehouse, in New Orleans, 447 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,680 and Owsley had spiked the public cooler. 448 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,880 I remember standing in the audience going, "Oh, wow, this is...something." 449 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,440 And Owsley recorded everything. Had some of those recordings... 450 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,480 Pretty interesting. Some of it's pretty cool. 451 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,440 Sometimes the vibes were just...too much! In the music. 452 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,600 And what was coming off, when you're under that influence and you see that stuff coming at you, 453 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,960 I thought, "What am I gonna do? Dive in there with it? Or leave? Or..." 454 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,680 So I decided, oftentimes, to just pull out. And go sit somewhere else. 455 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,440 We played at the Fillmore, with the Grateful Dead, 456 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,640 jammed with them, for sure, all on acid, as probably half the audience was. 457 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560 We went back to the Gorham Hotel, 458 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,360 my recollection is, 459 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,760 and we were really, "Ddjjjooo, haaaaaa!" 460 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,680 They were so freaked out by it, 461 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600 they were supposed to go back to the Grateful Dead's place, 462 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,480 to their hotel, for a party, and they didn't go. 463 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,600 Because they felt really nervous, and went back to their own hotel to hold hands, or whatever. 464 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240 And, we were all getting frightened, 465 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:35,760 we phoned Owsley, and said, "You gotta come to the hotel, and you gotta talk each of us down, 466 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,880 "on the phone and tell us that everything is OK." 467 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,520 And we sat round on the floor, 468 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,400 and, John may have departed to his room, but I can tell you, 469 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,360 we sat round and I, personally, saw every band member as a skeleton. 470 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,280 And I was absolutely petrified. 471 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,840 By the time they did become successful in America, 472 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,000 not only had they changed their musical format, to a degree, 473 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040 but of course, had also changed personnel as well. 474 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,880 In as much as they'd added Danny Kirwan, which was at the end of the Blue Horizon period. 475 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,200 # She's got so much blues 476 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,000 # Her best friend can't help her 477 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,160 # Her best friend's a woman 478 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200 # How can a woman help her? 479 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,760 # Woman's got the blues... # 480 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,400 Prior to doing the second album, 481 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,360 I was managing a little guy from Brixton, 482 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,880 called Danny Kirwan, and he had a little band called Boilerhouse. 483 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,200 And Peter and him were quite friendly, 484 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,800 one day he came in and said to me, "I'd like Danny to join the band." 485 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,840 And Peter said, "I'd like you to be in Fleetwood Mac." 486 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,960 I think at that point, Peter was starting to think 487 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,560 that Jeremy almost had no intention of doing anything else other than Elmore James, 488 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,560 you know, and doing his thing. 489 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,640 And so Danny Kirwan was brought in as another injection of new material. 490 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,560 He was the second harmony guitar. It was a harmony guitar thing. 491 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:23,240 Sleepwalk Santo And Johnny is the nearest you can pin it down to. 492 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,480 Apparently they'd, sort of, jammed together, and it gave Pete more freedom. 493 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,680 And I know that Pete wanted that backing like Hubert Sumlin, 494 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:39,240 so I would shy away from playing any riff behind him, and he needed that, so he could take off a bit more. 495 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:43,040 So, El couldn't fill the shoes. 496 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,680 I think that Peter wanted the support of Danny's intuitive style, 497 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,200 his creativity of playing rhythm parts, 498 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600 they were able to interchange. 499 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,160 And, it's the only time, in my memory, anyway, 500 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,840 that I've seen a band with three guitar players where it worked. 501 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,360 And they would say, "Jeremy's acting like he don't give a shit." 502 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,480 And it's true. 503 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,960 And there was no doubt they were getting this inspiration together, him and Danny, working on new stuff. 504 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,480 And Danny was a bull in a china shop. 505 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,160 He was going for it, like this. 506 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,160 Peter began to look outside the blues 507 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,560 for more diverse musical influences that produced a completely unexpected hit. 508 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,280 Once the blues boom started to just fade, 509 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,240 was around about the same time that Peter's level of creativity moved into another gear. 510 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:46,520 He started thinking and moving to make more out of the blues feeling. 511 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,760 And I use that purposefully - the blues feeling. 512 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,520 Without it necessarily having to be a 12 bar format, or it had to have 513 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,360 the same standard changes acceptable within a blues format. 514 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,760 I think he felt slightly chained by that. 515 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,280 There were things he felt, "I can do, I can create something new, that's not been done yet." 516 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,840 And I suppose, really, the first evidence of that was in Albatross. 517 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,040 How did I come to write it? 518 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,240 Copying Eric Clapton. 519 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,400 I would've been watching Eric Clapton. 520 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,680 He might've wrote it, I don't know! He might tell me one day. 521 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,640 "Stop saying you wrote my song." 522 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,800 My biggest concern, over all the concerns I may have had, 523 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600 was is this record going to be a single? 524 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,120 Can this actually be a single? Will anybody be able to get it played? 525 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,080 Because it was so different from anything that had gone before it. 526 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,560 CBS were very reluctant to release it. 527 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,000 And I got a little note from my secretary to say, 528 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,560 I don't know if Mike knows this, but I got a note from CBS to say 529 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,200 that unless we could come up with major television, they were gonna pull the single. 530 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,520 They'd put two singles out and nothing had happened. 531 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:12,800 One of the producers of a national Saturday night programme 532 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,880 had loved Need Your Love So Bad, 533 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,960 and I remembered this, so I sent him over a copy of Albatross, 534 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,920 and I said, "Look, you're gonna love this. Believe me, you'll love it." 535 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,240 And he did love it. And he rung me up and he said, 536 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,440 "Clifford, are the band free on Saturday?" 537 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,160 I said, "The band are free on Saturday. I'll make them free." 538 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,880 So they went over and they did The Simon Dee Show, which was primetime at that time. 539 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,520 I rang CBS, and the rest's history. 540 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,920 The show went out and the record just went wild. 541 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,960 And the following day, CBS had orders for 60,000 copies of it. 542 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,240 And nobody could believe it. I said, "It's gotta be a joke. It's 600, surely?" "No, it's 60,000. 543 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:12,800 "We'd better press a few more." 544 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:19,400 And from then onwards the sales were, like, 60, 80, 90,000, in no time at all it sold a million. 545 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,880 It was quite extraordinary. 546 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,760 We arrived back from the United States, I believe on our first tour, 547 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,320 I think, 548 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,680 to a number one record, met at the airport by a bunch of photographers, 549 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,840 and we were number one. 550 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,080 Everything changed. 551 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,000 "Number one, lads, can't wait to see my brother." 552 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,600 It was always about the charts, you would never get to number one, 553 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680 every time I wrote a song, someone steals it, you know. 554 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,960 And I listened to Albatross, and I'm being honest with you here, 555 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,880 and I thought to myself, "What on earth is that?" 556 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,440 It just sounded like a lot of, you know, jumble. 557 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,080 And I thought, "Well, that's nothing. 558 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,880 "That'll be the last I hear of that." 559 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,840 The next week, following week, it was top of the Hit Parade. 560 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,680 I'm playing bass on this, there's two basses on this. 561 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,360 One John and one me. I checked one of them. 562 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,440 I'm going like that - 563 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,880 And is it a slide guitar you're playing here? 564 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,760 No. That is. Me playing the Stratocaster, flat on my lap. 565 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,640 Are you doing it lap-style? Yeah. 566 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,800 All the double tracking and all those, sort of, over-dubbed ideas pretty much were Peter's ideas. 567 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,080 I don't remember putting that much into how it was spaced and where it was positioned 568 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,360 within the actual frame of the picture, sonically. 569 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520 Yes, I would have had, of course, a major input on that, 570 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,560 but the actual idea of doing it was very much Peter's. 571 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,080 It wasn't really called Albatross, it wasn't really called anything. 572 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,680 But you gotta call it something, so it ended up being called Albatross 573 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,360 which is part from Blind Faith. 574 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,440 A little girl says, "I ride on the back of a giant albatross." 575 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,520 And the other part of it was The Ancient Mariner, the poem. 576 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,080 One, at the time he was reading The Ancient Mariner. 577 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,200 And secondly, he was a great fan 578 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,160 of the classical composer Vaughan Williams. 579 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,480 And he put those two together, and Albatross emerged. 580 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:37,200 It was obviously Peter's tribute to Santo And Johnny, 581 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,640 which is strangely ironic that we're sitting in Hawaii. 582 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,680 But right here. That's where that came from. 583 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,800 And of course, that whole thing of slide playing and that beautiful... 584 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,320 The albatross, it's Santo and Johnny, it's this. 585 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:57,160 And you can't get away from the fact that it's got echoes of the blues in it. 586 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,520 It's quite painful. 587 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,760 It's quite, I mean, beautifully painful. 588 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:08,400 It was a conversation. It was, like, here, and this ghost... 589 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,760 Question, answers, and so simple. 590 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,080 You know, it was about as simple as it can get. 591 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,520 Dum-de-dum, like that. But beautiful. 592 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,920 It must be very weird for people who didn't know the band before Albatross, 593 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,800 to buy Albatross and then go and see this bunch... 594 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,240 ..playing anything BUT Albatross. 595 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:37,200 And in the middle of all this blues, rock 'n' roll, there's Albatross. 596 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,240 Which, of course, all of his fans, the die-hard blues fans, 597 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,120 they said, "Well, it's not a blues record!" 598 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,880 Well, so what? The blues feeling within the record is undeniable. 599 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520 It sold over a million records. How wrong can you be? 600 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,360 It came out again a second time, I think three years later, 601 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,440 and went to number two, and only sold 940,000, the second time. 602 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,280 I mean, come on, you know. 603 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,920 So, he really shut everybody up. And from that moment onwards, nobody really questioned it. 604 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,840 We had no idea it was gonna be a number one single. 605 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,680 And it was also our journey into having to handle being pop stars. 606 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,000 You know, with happily something that was totally unique. 607 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,160 It was an instrumental, for Christ's sake! 608 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,000 Yeah, once you've got a number one hit, especially if you're a writer. 609 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,920 I was the main writer of Albatross, if not the only writer, arranger. 610 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,800 So, I felt quite an achievement, you know. 611 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,400 Quite an achievement. 612 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,800 With the unexpected success of Albatross, 613 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,520 the band reached new levels of stardom. 614 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,400 But Peter was clearly uncomfortable with the fame and fortune it brought. 615 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,440 He expressed his growing feeling of discontent 616 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680 in the lyric of his next single. 617 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:57,040 Man Of The World was the first cry for help that we heard from Peter Green. 618 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,800 You listen to that lyric, you can hear that the pressure is beginning to get to him. 619 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,240 That the, um... 620 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,520 The intensity of the music business circus is beginning to hit him. 621 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,240 I read somewhere that to play the blues, you have to have the blues. 622 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,320 Right? 623 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,280 Not that I'm an expert on that, in any way. 624 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,160 But that really stuck with me. 625 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,600 You never think of Jimmy Page having the blues, or Eric Clapton having the blues, 626 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,240 but Peter Green did, you know what I mean? He was a troubled soul. 627 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,520 "There's no-one I'd rather be, 628 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,120 "than myself, but I wish I'd never been born." 629 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,960 That's... That's a pretty... 630 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,440 That's almost like a suicide note. 631 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,000 And... 632 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,520 Unless you're, you know, "It's just a song." 633 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,520 But he really was...plagued. 634 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,080 # I guess I've got everything I need 635 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,880 # I wouldn't ask for more 636 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,600 # And there's no-one I'd rather be 637 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,520 # But I just wish that I had never been born... # 638 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:24,160 In terms of noticing anything with Peter's emotional or mental health, 639 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,440 absolutely not, my God. I mean, if we had... 640 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,920 I wished that I'd had the chops to recognise something like that. 641 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,240 And if you listened to Man Of The World, 642 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,960 you may very well have said this is someone who's in a lot of trouble. 643 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,000 You know, and is incredibly sad, and... 644 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,120 Uh... No, we did not. 645 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,440 And I have some personal regrets that, 646 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,200 although we were all in the same boat, and he was our big white leader, 647 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:04,280 we all dutifully went the same way, except he didn't fully recover from that journey. 648 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,400 You have this romantic notion of him, that he always wanted to be somewhere else, you know. 649 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,680 I think the lyrics to Man Of The World probably say it all about him. 650 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,720 # And I need a good woman 651 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,840 # To make me feel like a good man should 652 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,240 # I don't say I'm a good man 653 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:51,000 # Oh, but I would be if I could... # 654 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,520 That was the last time I actually worked with the band, with Man Of The World. 655 00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,960 The departure of Fleetwood Mac and the way in which they moved from Blue Horizon elsewhere 656 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,040 was something that neither my brother or I could see coming. 657 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,120 The pie was Warner. 658 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:16,520 Reprise. Who had...billions to throw around. You know. 659 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,640 And that was basically what it was. Which, I guess, Mike Vernon didn't have. 660 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:32,120 I think we were staring as a band to feel the potential, 661 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,120 certainly in the writing circles, and majorly with Peter, at that point, 662 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,240 that something was going to be afoot 663 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:45,400 and we need to not just be banging out 12 bars for the rest of our days. 664 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,880 # Better love me, baby 665 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,520 # Love me all the time 666 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,960 # Better love me, baby 667 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,200 # Let me know you're mine 668 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,760 # Don't care what you say 669 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,240 # You're going to like it this way 670 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,600 # Give me all your love 671 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,120 # Because I know you need 672 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,760 # Give me all your love 673 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880 # Because I know you need 674 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,480 # A little bit of that holdin' 675 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,000 # A little bit of that squeeze... # 676 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:24,160 That audience that we'd had set up, ended up coming, thankfully, coming with us. 677 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,440 Now, with the financial backing of their label, Reprise, 678 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000 and the writing input of Danny Kirwan, 679 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,960 Peter felt free to be more experimental. 680 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,440 The band were moving in a new direction. 681 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,360 They entered into the studio to record their third album - Then Play On. 682 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,600 Well, I think when Peter... 683 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:48,200 Strictly speaking, his last calling-card 684 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,960 was Then Play On, and it's very clear where he was going, he was experimenting. 685 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,760 Peter basically handed that whole first album, in many ways, to Jeremy Spencer. 686 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,400 I mean, think about it. 687 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,840 You know, here's the Green God and he was to do that later 688 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,840 with Danny Kirwan with Then Play On. 689 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,320 He said, "Look, we're gonna do an album," Then Play On, "Do you have anything, you know, new? 690 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,960 "And not more Elmore." 691 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:25,200 And I said, "If it is anything it'll be old rock 'n' roll, or... 692 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,760 "I don't have any new...thing." I just wasn't... 693 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520 And it's not something you strain at, 694 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:39,320 trying to - oh, I'm gonna get inspired, I'm gonna come up with an artistically progressivething. 695 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,680 I didn't have anything. And if you don't have it, you don't have it. 696 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,720 I think it was an incredibly important album for Fleetwood Mac 697 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:53,200 in terms of at least...showing what the potential...could have been. 698 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,280 At one point I think he wanted the band to do a bit more jamming - 699 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,880 and be a bit more adventurous. 700 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,840 I think he felt that at one point. 701 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,720 It was a great band, you know, and it was powerful and... 702 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,480 ..believable and all of those ingredients were there. 703 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,720 # Baby, if you've got to rock 704 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,640 # I've got to be your rocking horse 705 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,720 # Ever think you'd like to roll? 706 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,320 # So maybe you'd dig it more. # 707 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,800 Oh, I loved it. 708 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,640 It was all just getting better and better. 709 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,480 # Oh-oh-oh 710 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,240 # When it's time to crash 711 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,600 # When I get home at night 712 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,240 # I guess I've got to shake myself. # 713 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,680 He was taking his journey 714 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:54,600 and...Then Play On really speaks to some of the experiments. 715 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,640 It was about as far as he could go - he was starting to play parts, 716 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:04,720 and say, "John, give me the bass, I'll do it." 717 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:09,040 Er...and doing some drum parts, and stuff like that. 718 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,240 And then, "You try this, Mick." 719 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,840 That was his first thing of his version of sort of 720 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,600 the Brian Wilson side of Peter Green, coming out 721 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:24,920 with this musical conductor of seeing and hearing parts, 722 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,960 not just playing...with a guitar and delivering a song. 723 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,200 With the band's fame and fortune growing, Peter began to explore his spirituality. 724 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:42,240 During a drug-fuelled experience, he came up with alternative ideas to share their new-found wealth. 725 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,920 He had a conscience, I think, quite early on - 726 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,800 social or otherwise - about the huge amounts of money 727 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,320 that appeared to be able to be earned by someone like himself 728 00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,120 in comparison to what he felt it was actually worth. 729 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,800 I was on a bit of mescaline at the time, I was taking the tablets. A piece of mescaline. 730 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,440 I was doing great - I was feeling wonderful. 731 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:15,880 Very pure thoughts were coming which I used to think I used to think as a younger person. 732 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,200 So it was in line with my... 733 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,720 my sort of love of thinking. 734 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,080 He was supposed to have had some kind of vision 735 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,960 about a starving child in his arms. 736 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:33,080 At the time I was watching Biafra on the television 737 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,360 and er...a famine in Biafra. 738 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,080 There were people starving to death there and um... 739 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,560 I was thinking, "Why does it always seem to be white powder? 740 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,680 "You see the women doing this and all they have is white powder. 741 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,560 "So what is that supposed to be? 742 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,040 "Why can't we give them sandwiches? 743 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,160 "Something simple like cheese and tomato sandwiches? 744 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,400 "Why can't we give them cold...? Surely it would be nourishment." 745 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,160 And in my vision - I had taken this stuff - 746 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,880 I was listening to Santana's first album and it's got a very heavy bass on there. 747 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,000 A very heavy African-style bass. 748 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,000 In this dream I asked a boy, one of the boys, 749 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,320 if he wanted a sandwich, if he would take it. 750 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,360 And he did but I didn't think he was going to. 751 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,880 And, um, he did take it and I seemed 752 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:39,680 to cross...a colour, a sort of barrier, cross a barrier, 753 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,160 and it was... it was well worth doing. 754 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,640 So I got in touch with War On Want and they sent me all this stuff. 755 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,240 And Pete and I watched it and he said, "This is all very good. 756 00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,040 "But it's not what I want. I want to be able 757 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,000 "to actually give the food to these people. 758 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,680 "I don't want it to go through chains of other people." 759 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,920 And I said, "OK, that's fine." That was how it was left. 760 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,960 It was just Peter Green and of course the next I hear, 761 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,800 he's trying to persuade - remember, I told you he's a great salesman - 762 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,560 he is then trying to sort of coerce the rest of the band into it. 763 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,600 He dropped it on us when we were smoking dope in the hotel room. 764 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,160 I'd seem to remember it coming in Munich. 765 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,080 No, it was before that. It was in the States. 766 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,880 Yes, it was. Jeremy's right, it was in the States. In a hotel. 767 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,400 It absolutely was! And you talked me out of it. I did. 768 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,160 You were really into it. He was going. I was going to do it. 769 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,760 You might have... You just kept coming down and down... 770 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,920 At one point you said, "Wow, the idea makes me feel quite free." 771 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,800 Which is actually... You said that. 772 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,000 I sort of got swept along with Peter's... 773 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,800 ..strength, if you like, of that belief. 774 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,880 He'd been reading this book, Candy's Truth. 775 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,000 So it all kind of meshed together, 776 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,360 and yeah, we were making big money. 777 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,920 He wanted us to just throw it all and just buy a house together 778 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,680 and just play and... 779 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,040 And I said, "OK, I'm willing to try it." 780 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,440 He said, "Oh, good." 781 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,960 Any money we've got from this month, for instance, 782 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,360 we could give to charity, to starvation. 783 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,320 But we really... It weren't serious to the rest of us. 784 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,960 The reality of it - we were talking about it actually stoned. 785 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,640 Then really, how are we going to go about this? 786 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,920 KEITH ALTHAM: Most young people are idealistic and want to change the status quo. 787 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,320 Then of course, when they become hugely rich and successful, 788 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,200 they become the very people that they were warning against 789 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,800 and don't want to give anything up. 790 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,280 Well, Peter didn't want to be a part of that, I don't think. 791 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,880 He wanted to get out from under it before he became a part 792 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,320 of the same kind of material orthodoxy 793 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,280 that he was rebelling against. 794 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,680 # I can't help about the shape I'm in 795 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,960 # I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin 796 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,800 # But don't ask me what I think of you 797 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,760 # I might not give the answer that you want me to 798 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,360 # Oh, well. # 799 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,640 On Granada TV in Manchester, they had these things on at 2am - 800 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,680 Five Minute Profile - of artists like Bowie and T-Rex and all that. 801 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,160 We used to stay up and I'd get stoned. 802 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,440 I remember there was one on Fleetwood Mac but right at the beginning of the five minutes - 803 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,120 this may be a 30 second thing - 804 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,920 that Fleetwood Mac was born out of the ashes 805 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,680 of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. 806 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,000 And they showed some footage of them playing Oh Well. 807 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,120 And I remember the guitar and just thinking, 808 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,240 "Fucking hell, that's amazing!" 809 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:35,160 Cos the first one is not necessary. It did almost get to number one. 810 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,680 But the first one, part one... 811 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,200 Part two is the only real offering. 812 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,920 On compilation records, I wouldn't put part one on. 813 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,160 I call it packing to get to... 814 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,240 To know how to present that second one, to start it off maybe. 815 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,520 # He said, stick by my side and I'll be your guiding hand... # 816 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,520 This is the Jesus thing. 817 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,480 # But don't ask me what I think of you... # 818 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,240 Cos he says we all fall short of the glory of God. 819 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,240 That's on the pamphlets they hand out. 820 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,120 We all sin and we all fall short of the glory of God. 821 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,560 That's what that bit means. That's quite good, quite clever. 822 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320 It's nice to revisit yourself. 823 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,200 To promote their third album, they embarked on a major European tour. 824 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,040 When they reached Munich, Peter was greeted by some unexpected fans. 825 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,720 Certainly, John McVie would fully blame... 826 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,400 ..an event in Germany where Peter took some more drugs 827 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,000 and for sure never really came back from that, to our recollection. 828 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,880 And John is, to this day, absolutely furious with these people. 829 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,960 We call them the German jet set. 830 00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,280 And they captured Peter completely and pulled him away. 831 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:07,840 We got up to Munich airport and all of a sudden, these people showed up. I don't know if it was two or three. 832 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,160 But I remember the two of them - specifically a very beautiful girl - 833 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,080 I mean like model, actress-looking, dressed in this black velvet. 834 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:23,680 Whoa! And this guy next to her... and he looked like John Lennon. 835 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,040 He had these wire-rimmed glasses and a cape. 836 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,200 And they met Pete right there. 837 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,800 It looked like it had been arranged somehow. 838 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600 And it was kind of unspoken - I thought, 839 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,520 "Maybe Mick and them know something about these people." 840 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,200 They didn't acknowledge any of the rest of us. 841 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,960 They were very rude. 842 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,280 The reality was that Peter was already set to leave Fleetwood Mac. 843 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,960 Pretty much... 844 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,120 But my God, this was like the final nail in the coffin, 845 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:59,120 which of course, we related to...as a band. 846 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,680 So, they came to the gig. 847 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,080 It was like they looked at the rest of the band in disdain. 848 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:15,040 I don't know if it was musically - they didn't think we were quite in the zone enough or whatever. 849 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,040 They were very intellectual types. 850 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,480 There was a party we were invited to. 851 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,320 This big, HUGE mansion place in the forest. 852 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,280 We went out to this mansion... 853 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,200 ..pseudo, you know, big old weird house. 854 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,360 So we're driving into there and finally we come to this place. 855 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:44,240 And...it was a hippy commune sort of thing. 856 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,800 Um, with weird stuff going on in all the rooms. 857 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,120 That girl was there... 858 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,840 There were psychedelic painted walls. But a rich, rich place. 859 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,200 There was definitely some money flying around. 860 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,200 They were like German aristocracy-ish. 861 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,960 We arrived and I got out of the van. 862 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,880 Dennis Keane comes walking up to me shaking in his boots. 863 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,800 He was stoned too. 864 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,560 He goes, "It's so weird down there. Don't go down there, Jeremy. 865 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,880 "Don't go down there. Pete is weirding out big time. 866 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,680 "The vibes are just horrible." 867 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,120 I didn't realise what was going on 868 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,760 until I talked to someone and didn't realise they were German. 869 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,240 And I was on this trip and I didn't understand what was going on. 870 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:39,280 Then I see Pete in the studio playing his guitar with all these... 871 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,920 It was like mayhem. 872 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,520 Pete was laughing and he thought it was great. 873 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840 And Dennis Keane - 874 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:53,000 I have some recollection of him somewhat trying 875 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,040 to be the responsible road manager guy. 876 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,000 He was like, "Come on, it's time to go." 877 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,240 But in truth, it started getting to us as well. 878 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,640 And then as, like anything else, it wears off 879 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,200 and if you wear off with it, then you know what's going on - 880 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,160 you're aware of it. And, immediately, I said, 881 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,080 "Well, we've got to get out of here." 882 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,480 He was practically in tears. 883 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,480 I tried to, kind of... you know, reassure him - 884 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,720 "Look, you know... 885 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,080 "God is in control..." You know. 886 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,280 I did my best, you know, but it was really weird 887 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:35,760 and the music coming up from below, down there was, it was bad news. 888 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,280 I really can't play with no-one listening. 889 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,240 Or enjoying myself or whatever it was, I got a curious sound. 890 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,920 They definitely knew who they wanted to be with, 891 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,640 and nurture and they had a music thing going on there. 892 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:56,880 Er... 893 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,720 And...Peter was the man. 894 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,200 I believe they were some sort of cult. 895 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,760 That is what they do. They get you in and strip you of your identity, 896 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,800 of your belongings, of your money and it helps them 897 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,680 to become more powerful. 898 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,200 And I say that because they were just starting up 899 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,040 and Peter Green was a prime man who was making millions. 900 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,880 And he did give off this religious look, Peter. 901 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,480 Peter said, "What do you think of what I'm playing?" "It was shit!" 902 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,200 It sounded like a pile of tits. 903 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,440 But he said, "That's what you think. That's the most spiritual music I've ever played in mylife." 904 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,960 I had a good play there, I recorded that. 905 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,600 I didn't - someone did and they gave me a tape. 906 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:49,320 That one girl was there and she was taking nude photographs in one room. 907 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,800 The chap who John has a distinct distain for 908 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:59,440 had an incredibly beautiful girlfriend or wife. 909 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,240 Stunning. 910 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,960 And it was all very... 911 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,080 Yeah. Yeah. 912 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:13,040 There was a few people playing with us, just fooling around. 913 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,640 And it was, um, it was, er... 914 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,400 Yeah, it was great. 915 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,040 I didn't know where we were. 916 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:27,760 But when we used to play Europe, I'd always have a box of matches or key of the hotel so I knew. 917 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,720 I said, "I'll phone the manager." 918 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,760 I say, "You got to come down and get us out of here." 919 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,400 A couple of times I'd look and he was in the back of the car with Danny 920 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,520 and suddenly he... 921 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,880 ..like this and Danny would do it. 922 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,400 And he'd be on the other side cos he'd be like this together. 923 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,720 And they had this... Like they were locked in something together. 924 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,360 And it wasn't good. 925 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,640 Peter Green and Danny Kirwan both went together 926 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:05,080 to that house in Munich, both of them took acid as I understand it. 927 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:10,280 Both of them, as of that day, became seriously mentally ill. 928 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,160 I think it's too much of a coincidence for it to be anything 929 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,000 other than taking drugs. 930 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,400 As of that day - and I think if you speak to Mick and John and Jeremy, 931 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,480 they will tell you exactly the same story. 932 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,320 For Me? Yeah. 933 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,680 That was...that was the fork in the road. 934 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,320 Um...buggers. 935 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,360 After the cathartic experience of Munich, 936 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,000 Peter was growing more disillusioned with the constraints of the band. 937 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:45,480 And during the European tour, he finally decided to leave. 938 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,720 Peter and I were sitting together at the back 939 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,440 of a bus on the Scandinavian tour. 940 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,320 I think it was in Norway. 941 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:58,600 He said, "I've been meaning to have a chat with you." "Why?" 942 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,920 He said, "Um, I want to leave the band." 943 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,440 "Have you told the band yet?" "No." 944 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,120 I said, "Well, I suggest that you do." 945 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,480 And he went up the front and just told the band. 946 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,280 That's what he wanted to do. 947 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,120 I don't remember trying to talk him out of it. I just remember going... 948 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,520 "Oh, shit!" 949 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,280 Clifford took me and we were walking along the corridor to the room 950 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,960 and he said, "Pete's..." 951 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,360 And he said, "I think if anybody could persuade him, it could be you. 952 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,560 "Would you at least give it a try?" 953 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:39,480 Cos everyone was just devastated and I was thinking... 954 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,000 "Maybe it's supposed to be." 955 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,800 I didn't feel like persuading him. 956 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,560 I just didn't... 957 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,160 And we just kept talking. "I just want to leave" - that was about all he said. 958 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,880 "What do you think?" 959 01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,720 I said, "If you really feel you should, you should." 960 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,680 We stopped rehearsing at one point. 961 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,760 We'd rehearse but never get anywhere. 962 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,520 At one point we stopped all together. 963 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,480 I felt like leaving the group because it didn't feel right, or sort of... 964 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:19,160 Whatever it was, I felt like leaving would be some kind of something. 965 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,200 Even if you're an orchestra musician playing and reading from the thing, 966 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,160 you should get a kick out of it of some kind. 967 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,080 And he played out the gigs that he said he would play out, 968 01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:29,320 and then that was it. 969 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,880 # Now when the day goes to sleep 970 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,560 # And when the full moon looks 971 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,880 # And the night is so black that the darkness cooks 972 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,280 # Then you come creeping around 973 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,880 # Making me do things I don't want to do. # 974 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,920 You knew things were wrong with Peter just from the music. 975 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:15,800 You knew The Green Manalishi was a very strange song - 976 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,840 the product of a mind that was slightly unsettled. 977 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,320 Everybody thinks seems to think that's about LSD - it's not. 978 01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,120 It's about money - a wad of money, greenbacks. 979 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,880 "The Green Manalishi." 980 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,720 And he did have an obsession about money. 981 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,520 You listen to the guitars on The Green Manalishi and it's dark, man. 982 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:41,080 Within the space of maybe two years he went from Albatross which, 983 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,520 they should play it to you when you're in the fucking dentist chair, know what I mean? 984 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:50,120 But The Green Manalishi - that's quite difficult to listen to. 985 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,160 But I guess it's the measure of the man. 986 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,880 I think he starting getting broody and brooding and... 987 01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:03,880 ..and a little on the negative side 988 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,120 with his thoughts and... 989 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,120 And I think he had a hard time handling it. 990 01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,520 And that Munich thing just kind of clinched it 991 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,920 so he started singing about those feelings, 992 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,200 putting it into words and songs. 993 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:25,000 The last thing he recorded was Green Manalishi which for sure is... 994 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,040 And he seemed fine. 995 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:32,120 And yet, you know, he was probably maybe even... 996 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,360 ..hearing voices then - I don't know. 997 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:40,600 I'm going to do a thing I haven't done for a long, long time - a solo number. 998 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,600 # I don't look for no worries 999 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,720 # But worries and troubles come around 1000 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,840 # I don't look for no worries 1001 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,200 # Worries and troubles come around. # 1002 01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:15,160 I asked him once, I said to him, "Pete, why did you leave Fleetwood Mac? 1003 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:20,440 "Going great guns, nice life, nice...productions." 1004 01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:24,680 He said, "Well, I said all I had to say. I had nothing more to say." 1005 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:31,480 And that was it. For me, it was... a great loss. 1006 01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:33,840 Cos I...you know... 1007 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,400 it was the band, the band, the band and all that stuff, 1008 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:44,040 but I felt very close and...I had an ultimate respect for Peter. 1009 01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:49,080 And we had so much fun, and then all of that just sort of went. 1010 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,320 And...it was tough. 1011 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,880 I-I felt...cheated. 1012 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,280 If the front man and the writer leaves, you know... 1013 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,800 ..oh, goodness me, what are we going to do? 1014 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:09,800 And that's when I did my level best to...and did...keep the band going. 1015 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,760 My mum and dad were devastated. 1016 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,080 I don't think that my dad was ever right again after that. 1017 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,760 He took it very hard. 1018 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,160 At the time I was living in this house with my brother and his wife, 1019 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,840 I moved in. But I guess they sort of suspected from talking to me 1020 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,240 I was...I had a different pleasure in my mind. 1021 01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,680 Maybe the way I played the guitar, the way I did music. 1022 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,360 I did some great stuff on LSD in Munich - some fabulous stuff, 1023 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,440 which I liked. 1024 01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:46,840 I think Peter was just ahead of the game and just felt that we couldn't make that journey. 1025 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:52,240 He went his merry way. Sadly, and I think it was in retrospect, 1026 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:58,200 uh...I believe that it would have been a better choice for Peter 1027 01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,840 had he... 1028 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,640 ..taken us with him somehow, 1029 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,720 but it wasn't to be, and we were all lost. 1030 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,920 APPLAUSE 1031 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,960 Peter approached Clifford Adams with a view to recording a new album 1032 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,320 that would surprise even the most ardent of his fans. 1033 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,600 He would have good days and bad days, 1034 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:36,080 and he came in to see me one day and he said, "I've been jamming with some friends of mine," 1035 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,520 and I said, "Oh, yeah?" And he said, "I'd like you to and organise if it's possible 1036 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,120 "to make an album of what I'm doing." 1037 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,760 And in we went and he just played and played 1038 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,680 and played and played. 1039 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,160 For me, it was Peter exorcising the demons within him. 1040 01:12:54,160 --> 01:13:00,040 That to me was what that album was all about. He loved percussion, he loved rhythm, 1041 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,920 and the guys that he made the End Of The Game with was a drummer 1042 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,040 in a band called The Gas. 1043 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,320 Great player, funky player - stuff that I couldn't do. 1044 01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,760 The link between music and drugs was still playing an occasional part in Peter's life. 1045 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,240 And LSD influenced some of the recording sessions. 1046 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,160 We did take...there was LSD going round at that session. 1047 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,080 There was a bottle of champagne that was laced with the thing 1048 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,440 I had a couple of... little drops of it, 1049 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:31,360 and I did feel a bit effervescent. 1050 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,840 It sounds like it's in a sort of liquid echo 1051 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,200 and the echo that you put on in the sound control room. 1052 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,800 He did a lot of long, sustained note stuff, 1053 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,520 and his tone was just to die for. 1054 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:53,560 And he did so much with really, not a lot of technique in those days. 1055 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:54,600 Not really. 1056 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,120 To me...ridiculous, but I was going, like... 1057 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:14,560 he feels guilty about being so wonderfully talented. 1058 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:20,120 He's trying to sort of run back to being in the butcher's shop or something, 1059 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:26,120 and I don't want all this pressure, which translates into 1060 01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:31,560 not only what became that special thing about Peter's playing, 1061 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,200 but it also was his monkey on his back, 1062 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,680 that nigh on destroyed him, you know. 1063 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,320 For the next decade, Peter would be nearly silent, 1064 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,160 and during those wilderness years, his notoriety was reduced 1065 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,080 to occasional press stories of Peter giving away his guitars, 1066 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,800 refusing his royalties, becoming a dishevelled tramp, 1067 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,840 and taking a series of bizarre day jobs. 1068 01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,560 But Peter was still occasionally experimenting with LSD, 1069 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,240 and one particular trip sparked a psychotic episode. 1070 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,720 I...met this chap, 1071 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:12,400 who had this apartment in Surbiton, and there he offered me 1072 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,200 the famous San Francisco "Sunshine", 1073 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,440 a tablet of Sunshine, 1074 01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:20,440 so it was...I must admit, it was great, 1075 01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:22,760 it was very, very heavy. 1076 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,400 But after that, I guess I was out of reach to my folks, 1077 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:32,520 and I went to my brother and his wife who had a place in Epsom, 1078 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,800 and...my mother and father had moved in with them, and I said... 1079 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:41,560 I was with them and they said, "There's a little room you can live in if you want to." 1080 01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,760 And from there, I started acting strange - 1081 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,680 strange things started happening and I smashed a lot of crockery one time. 1082 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,880 I just picked up a whole tray. 1083 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,200 That's what I thought I ended up in a psychiatric hospital for. 1084 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,960 He was getting voices... 1085 01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,600 that would tell him to do nasty things. 1086 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,680 We was trying to rally round him so that he... 1087 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,320 ..he wouldn't DO the nasty things. 1088 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,960 He didn't do 'em, but I mean, he used to think 'em. 1089 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,000 We saw a Chinese doctor. 1090 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,040 He said, "Do you hear voices?" 1091 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,560 I said, "Yeah, I do hear something strange... 1092 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,320 "I am having a lot of strange experiences inside my head." 1093 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:25,360 The doctor came along and said, "Look...your son is a schizophrenic. 1094 01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:30,120 "The best thing you can do is send him to the hospital 1095 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,760 "and get some treatment." 1096 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:37,760 Well, obviously, my mum and dad just didn't have the courage to do that. 1097 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,960 And I had to do it. 1098 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,840 I didn't think I was schizophrenic - anything, far from THAT. 1099 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,040 To THEM it's schizophrenia, 1100 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,560 but to YOU, it's hellishly single-minded. 1101 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,720 You know, you can't... 1102 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,600 ..you can't escape from the single-minded... 1103 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:04,600 But it is entirely going through your mind and things, it's... 1104 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,640 So, he might think he knows what my particular case was. 1105 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,040 It might not have been anything like that. 1106 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,360 Apparently, it's for violence they usually take you in. 1107 01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,400 A GP was likening ECT to... 1108 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,080 in those days, valve televisions. "It's a bit like when the television 1109 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,280 "goes on the blink - if you bang it, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't." 1110 01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,520 That was a GP talking. 1111 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,760 It's called Electric Convulsive Treatment, 1112 01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:35,160 so maybe some people do convulse and some don't, or something. 1113 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,840 I don't know... 1114 01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,480 You don't know what happens, cos you're... 1115 01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:43,560 You go out pretty quick, as soon as you feel this ice... 1116 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,720 ice water in your veins... everything goes cold. 1117 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:51,440 And you say your goodbyes, "I'm never gonna live again," 1118 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:53,480 and... 1119 01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:55,960 ..then you wake up. 1120 01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,800 His girlfriend at the time, the lady, 1121 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,960 she remembers him coming back - this was later on, when he wasn't 1122 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,120 in hospital when he was still undergoing the treatment - 1123 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,400 and he'd just be stood there with his arms about a foot out, 1124 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,920 just like a rigid... a rigid sort of person 1125 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,520 just in front of her absolutely dazed out of his brains. 1126 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,280 I can't believe how bad a memory it is. Terrible memory. 1127 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,240 After a series of stays in various mental institutions 1128 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,920 and some time spent out of the UK, 1129 01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,600 Peter returned and contacted his manager 1130 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,800 to challenge him on some accounting irregularities. 1131 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,960 "I want somebody to shoot my accountant!" 1132 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,440 I don't see that as such a strange thing to want to do! 1133 01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:44,120 One day, he rang me up, he'd just got back from Canada, 1134 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,760 and he said to me that... 1135 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,360 He smuggled a shotgun in, a pumped shotgun... 1136 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,680 ..and he was gonna go round and kill his accountant, David Simmons. 1137 01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:03,720 I phoned up...the manager...used to be the manager for Fleetwood Mac, 1138 01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,200 and asked him if he had any money. 1139 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,120 He said, "The accountant's got your money. 1140 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,840 "I haven't got your money..." 1141 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,000 So I said - I don't know why, but I said, "I'll shoot you." 1142 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,080 I felt like he...wasn't speaking straight with me. 1143 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,640 And he was speaking straight with me, and I said, "I'll shoot you." 1144 01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,440 And he said, "Are you threatening me?" I said, "Yeah...yeah." 1145 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,240 HE LAUGHS 1146 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,720 David rang the police, 1147 01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,760 and Peter was arrested. 1148 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,520 "Would you please come out of there? This is the police. 1149 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:41,920 "You are surrounded." 1150 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,040 My mum and dad were probably watching EastEnders or something... 1151 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:52,440 ..obviously, they went out and explained that Peter wasn't here... 1152 01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:56,240 There was a phone call and the police rang up, someone said, 1153 01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,000 "Have you got a licence for the gun?" I said "No..." 1154 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,680 They said, "Come with us." 1155 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,760 They moved me a couple of times from the prison to different ones, 1156 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,360 and I was quite happy in prison so I thought I'd be all right, 1157 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,240 but they said, "You failed the psychiatrist's test 1158 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:17,520 "and you go to the psychiatric hospital for a few months." 1159 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,840 I went in, and I was very, very ill - I mean, very, very ill. 1160 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,360 I could hardly move. I was very bad. 1161 01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,360 I couldn't pick up, I just couldn't pick up. 1162 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,560 Didn't know how to pick myself up. 1163 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,440 I find it very difficult to understand... 1164 01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:36,200 what was on his mind. 1165 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,040 Obviously, he was on another planet. 1166 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:46,120 That was the condition... I came out of the ECT room, 1167 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,000 and that's what ECT... that's what it did to me. 1168 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,400 It made my head feel like brick work, 1169 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,560 like it was shaped like a head, but it was sort of... 1170 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,760 You couldn't use it, make it... 1171 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,000 I couldn't think, you know. 1172 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,840 After it was decided Peter was unable to look after himself, 1173 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,480 he ended up spending an increasing amount of time 1174 01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:14,240 in a mental institution under heavy sedation. 1175 01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,680 Peter's brother Mike was distressed by his deteriorating mental health, 1176 01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,680 and decided Peter would be better off with his family. 1177 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,000 And, finally, he brought him home. 1178 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,800 You can live in these places, you know, nothing to do... 1179 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,560 Mickey came along and got me out... 1180 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,080 maybe to get me out... 1181 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,480 I didn't know if I was ever gonna come out... 1182 01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:39,800 Nothing to...nothing to go IN for, I don't know what I went in for... 1183 01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:44,680 Once you're in there, you have a drink, you get used to the regularities... 1184 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,520 You sit in the armchairs, you know... 1185 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,720 Don't know what else... Not much else to do...with yourself. 1186 01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:56,120 You know, he was a known face, 1187 01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,600 and especially by the time of the mid-80s, 1188 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,160 the way that he looked with the long fingernails. 1189 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:07,000 He came up against a lot of children calling him various names... 1190 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,160 The next thing I heard, it was in Brazil, 1191 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,280 and it was some things to do with Richmond Common... 1192 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:17,520 and, um...Judy Wong, 1193 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:22,440 where he was scratching her door and making the sounds of a wolf. 1194 01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,480 Well, she thought it was an animal at the door, 1195 01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,360 and there he was on all fours... 1196 01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,680 HE WHIMPERS ..making...like a dog. 1197 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,240 So, she let him in, you know, and took care of him and everything. 1198 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:42,200 He was sometimes just roaming around the streets, not knowing where he was, 1199 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,880 and having lost all sense of time... 1200 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,600 It was a very, very sad and dangerous time for him. 1201 01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,160 The author, Martin Celmins, began writing Peter's biography, 1202 01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,400 and it was during their early meetings to research the book 1203 01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,040 that Martin helped Peter to come off his daily medication. 1204 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,600 Martin Celmins, a journalist who wrote a biography on me... 1205 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,760 He noticed I was about to take another tablet with my breakfast. 1206 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:13,640 We did the interview in this... just by Leigh-on-Sea, 1207 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:18,400 in this greasy spoon cafe, and he would drink coffee... 1208 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,880 Coffee...lots of... 1209 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,600 because, I guess, that made him feel slightly more alert, you know. 1210 01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:29,680 I just took two days of this, and quite naturally, I just thought, 1211 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,000 "Hang on a minute, 1212 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,160 "in the evening, he's talking absolutely normally, 1213 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:40,400 "no weirdness about it, and then he's taking his medication, 1214 01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:44,240 "which means for the first three hours of his day, 1215 01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,520 "he is literally a zombie." 1216 01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,680 He said, "Do you think you should do that?" Or something... 1217 01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,960 I don't remember the exact words... 1218 01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,760 He...got me to think about it, 1219 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,520 and I didn't bother with 'em. Didn't know what I was taking them for... 1220 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,200 I just..."I won't take 'em anymore, then." 1221 01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,760 Lo and behold, two days later, he had stopped taking the medication. 1222 01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,120 Over the last decade, with various solo bands, 1223 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,000 Peter has recorded over ten albums, 1224 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,800 including the award-winning Robert Johnson Songbook 1225 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,680 and Hot Foot Powder. 1226 01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:26,360 And recently, he collected the BMI award for the four-millionth radio play of Black Magic Woman. 1227 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,760 Peter is pursuing his love of art and photography. 1228 01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,840 Peter Green continues to make music. 1229 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,080 In the short span that he was with Fleetwood Mac, 1230 01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,240 from when Fleetwood Mac started, 1231 01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,880 to when it finished - when HE finished, May 1970, 1232 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,040 it was two years and eight months. 1233 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,520 And in that two years and eight months, 1234 01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,520 five hit records, 1235 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,480 four hit albums, 1236 01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,360 big hit for Santana, 1237 01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:56,640 outsold the Beatles, outsold the Rolling Stones - together... 1238 01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,080 You know, that is one fantastic...guy. 1239 01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,920 For my mind, he is the best British Blues guitarist out of all. 1240 01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,040 I'm not a wizard on the guitar - I don't know the technical terms - 1241 01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,840 but his guitar playing, it fucking blows me away. 1242 01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,920 Not in the same way that Hendrix... You listen to Hendrix, and, "Wow, that guy's a wizard." 1243 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,600 But when Peter plays his guitar, it weeps, almost. 1244 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:23,640 I still feel that if you surround Peter Green with the right people, 1245 01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,720 I mean, the real right people, 1246 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,880 his wings will expand again. 1247 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,760 He'll come out and play. 1248 01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,120 Because it's IN him... 1249 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:37,240 Like John Lee Hooker says, "It's in him, and it's got to come out." 1250 01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:41,040 The Peter Green of the late '60s, early '70s 1251 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,400 was a sublime guitarist. 1252 01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:49,560 He had a lyrical quality that was almost like liquid gold coming out. 1253 01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,920 I'd always emotionally go back to Peter when I was having problems 1254 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,960 with just drinking too much and partying way too much - 1255 01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,680 it was actually quite boring for a lot of people, 1256 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:07,320 but without question, "Oh, Mick's gonna... he's on his half a bottle of brandy, 1257 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,840 "out will come the Peter Green tapes... 1258 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,360 "And he'll sit everyone down in his hotel room and say, 'Listen to this dude...'" 1259 01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,680 You know, and that's what I did, invariably. 1260 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,760 One of the best, if not THE best. 1261 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:25,080 That's why it's such a tragedy that it all went where it did - 1262 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:26,720 it could have been so much more. 1263 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,320 His story and everything is about the fact that 1264 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:37,480 he was handed something, did not quite understand the power of what he was handed - 1265 01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:42,840 and this is ME talking, you know, feel free to knock me on the head - 1266 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,400 and having...this bestowed on him, 1267 01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:53,640 somehow, felt, "What can I do with this?" 1268 01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,440 And in truth, he never quite found out what that was. 1269 01:26:58,440 --> 01:27:01,920 I was ever so...always hopes, high hopes, but... 1270 01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,440 ..I was very dissatisfied with what I was doing. 1271 01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:08,520 It should be great or something... 1272 01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,280 But I was very... 1273 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,360 "This is never coming", sort of thing. 1274 01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,600 "Never gets here." 1275 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,120 With everyone expecting it, it never arrives. 1276 01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,720 I could out-play Sooty! 1277 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:47,520 But...that's it! Don't put Sweep on that xylophone, whatever you do! 1278 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,040 # Need someone's hand 1279 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,360 # To lead me through the night 1280 01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:06,440 # I need someone's arms 1281 01:28:06,440 --> 01:28:09,840 # To hold and squeeze me tight 1282 01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,200 # When the night begins 1283 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,680 # I'm at an end 1284 01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,120 # Because I need 1285 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,760 # Your love so bad 1286 01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,320 # I need some lips 1287 01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,800 # To feel next to mine 1288 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,920 # I need someone to stand up 1289 01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,680 # And tell me when I'm lyin' 1290 01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,080 # And when the lights are low 1291 01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,200 # And it's time to go 1292 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,840 # That's when I need 1293 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,560 # Your love so bad 1294 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,520 # So why don't you give it up... # 117421

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