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I love playing, you know.
Love playing.
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But, uh, when I think about playing,
and... Uh...
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..what it's all about, it's a big
difference, in a way, isn't it?
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# Shall I tell you about my life?
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# They say I'm a man of the world
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# I've flown across every tide
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# And I've seen lots of
pretty girls... #
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It was an incredibly short run.
And yet we're still talking about
it, nearly 40 years, or so,later.
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That's interesting.
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# I guess I've got everything I need
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# I wouldn't ask for more
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# And there's no-one I'd rather be
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# I just wish that I had
never been born... #
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You can't ignore the name
Peter Green, you know,
and Peter has not given up.
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And Peter has not gone away.
And Peter won't go away.
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In San Francisco.
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But then, I was the first one to
take it. And then I started
preaching it to the others.
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And it was with The Grateful Dead.
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Falling. You kind of fall,
like faint. You encounter it.
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He was always...sensitive.
To the other side.
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# And I need a good woman
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# To make me feel like
a good man should... #
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I was always told it was six.
It was the sixth one that did it.
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This is someone
who's in a lot of trouble.
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We all dutifully went the same way,
except he didn't fully recover
from that journey.
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# I could tell you about my life...
#
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I don't blame what happened to
Peter Green on LSD or anything.
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It's all about finding that peace
within yourself.
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There's quite a large resentment
about these people
that actually did that to him.
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# How I don't want to be sad
any more
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# And how I wish I was in love. #
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I actually interviewed BB King.
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He said that the only guitarist
that sent shivers down his spine
was Peter Green.
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I think Peter's voice became almost
more important than his guitar
playing, in many ways.
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And it was totally...
There was a realness to it.
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I like him more for his song writing
than his guitar playing.
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His guitar playing's...
He's without question the best
British blues guitarist, ever.
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# Need someone's hand
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# To lead me through the night
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# I need someone's arms
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# To hold and squeeze me tight... #
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Peter at his prime in the '60s was
without equal. I mean, he was
a force to be reckoned with!
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# I'm at an end
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# Because I need
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# Your love so bad
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# I need some lips
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# To feel next to mine... #
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Old Bethnal Green Road, E2.
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And that's where I used to live.
Number 18, there.
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When Peter was ten,
my older brother, Lenny,
was having lessons on the guitar.
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And he found out later
he was tone-deaf,
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so he decided it wasn't for him.
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So, he gave the guitar to Peter,
but showed him three chords.
E, A and B7.
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After about, I suppose,
six to eight months,
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Peter was doing really well.
And I said to my mum,
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"Has that little sod got my
record player on up there?"
I could hear it.
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And it was him playing.
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Peter honed his guitar skills
listening to the
early skiffle bands.
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By the time he was 18, he had
already played stints with Peter B's
Looners and Shotgun Express,
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But Peter was increasingly
drawn towards the new
burgeoning blues scene.
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John Mayall was one of these bands,
of course,
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that played ethnic blues and kinda
stuck with it.
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Um, and people came in and out
of his band. He always had an eye
for a really good musician.
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And particularly a good guitarist.
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And his first one, of course,
that everybody knew about,
was Eric Clapton.
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On one occasion,
Eric had left the band.
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Gosh, this must've been about '64,
I guess.
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And his replacement was Peter Green.
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Well, he was one of the
many candidates
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who put their names forward for the
job of replacing Eric,
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when Eric cleared off to Greece
on that abortive effort of
The Glands, or whatever that was.
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But Peter was a lot better than any
of the ones I'd been trying out
already and he was very persistent.
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So, ultimately,
I gave him a shot at it.
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The lead guitarist spot in
The Bluesbreakers
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was the most coveted in Britain,
wasn't it?
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You know. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can
be in Oasis, as long as you've got
the right haircut.
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When John Mayall went for the first
recording session with Peter,
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walked into the studio
and I think Mike Vernon,
who was the producer at the time,
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noticed that there was
a different amplifier
amongst the set-up in the studio,
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and sort of said,
"Whose is that then?"
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And we said, "Oh, we've got a new
guitarist. We got rid of Eric."
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He said, "Oh, my God, what you
mean, you've got rid of Eric?"
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"This one's much better,"
said John Mayall.
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"Much better than Eric Clapton?!"
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My God! Who have you found that
could possibly be better than that?
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So I didn't know Peter Green.
Very affable guy, very quiet,
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And I thought, well, he's gonna
have to be pretty damn good
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if he's gonna fill Eric's
footsteps.
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Well, from the moment that Peter
plugged in and started playing,
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I never had any doubts that he was
going to be as good as Eric,
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within the Bluesbreaker framework,
but different.
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And I think that was the secret,
that was the secret.
And I think John already knew.
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He could play all the licks, do all
the things that Eric could do,
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but he wasn't going to do them.
He was going to do them his way.
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I think Peter had a hard time
convincing the audience
of his integrity and his power,
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because people were all dead set on
hearing Eric with the band,
you know.
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Around this time,
Eric had become a god,
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along with the graffiti on the
walls, you know, "Eric is God."
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"We want God! We want God!"
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I seem to recall going up at one
stage and, "Get off, big nose!"
I can even recall!
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Poor Peter suffered
a bit of this abuse, but gradually,
I think he won them over.
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Because it was pretty obvious
that he was a great guitarist.
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People took to Peter,
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after a few, "Where's Eric?"
Or whatever.
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"Eric's God!" It wasn't too long
after that it was The Green God.
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That did lead to doing
the Hard Road album.
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By that time Ainsley Dunbar
was the drummer.
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And McVie was still the bass player,
so it was a very powerful unit.
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The very first time I ever met Peter
was in the studio when we did
the Hard Road album.
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I certainly don't remember ever
having met him prior to that.
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My memories are
he had a little joke here and there,
you could see he had a character.
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But the thing that mattered the most
was the way he played.
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The Supernatural was something Peter
got together on his own.
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And we just stood by and just
accompanied him on that one.
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But the way of recording back then
was only on four tracks.
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So there was a lot of layers
that he put on it, you know,
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where he'd over-dubbed different
octaves of the same tune
and built up a very haunting piece.
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Not only did he make the very best
of it as a guitar player,
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but he also showed, unlike Eric,
who was very quiet and very subdued
about his ability as a singer.
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Peter had no doubt whatsoever.
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# You don't love me, baby
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# And you don't love me
Yes, I know... #
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Peter enjoyed playing with
John McVie,
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but John Mayall thought drummer,
Ainsley Dunbar, was getting
far too technical.
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Peter seemed to have a hand
in recruiting Mick Fleetwood,
his old drummer from the Looners.
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I joined John Mayall
only for a very short time.
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John McVie, Mick Fleetwood and the
bottle was not a good combination.
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Well, Ainsley said to John Mayall,
on the last day
he was working with us,
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he came up and said,
"Any money about, John?"
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And John said, "I've got some bad
news for you actually, Ainsley."
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And Mick Fleetwood's standing there,
and I thought, "I bet he thinks that
I got him to..."
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But I didn't, I was leaving.
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I knew that, you know, my tenure
was going to be fairly short-lived.
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So I had this gig manifold thing,
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I'm in the back there, I said,
"John," it was Leicester or wherever
it was, Nottingham Boat Club.
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I said, "Probably by then I'll
probably be fired, right?"
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And it wasn't too
far from the truth.
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With the new Bluesbreakers line-up
of Green, Fleetwood and McVie,
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John Mayall gave
Peter an unusual birthday present.
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For Peter's birthday I bought them
some studio time, so they could have
a go at making a single,
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with Mike Vernon's blessing.
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And they did go into the studio
without me and they put together a
few songs.
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We actually recorded
the Bluesbreakers as a trio,
at the Decca Studios,
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which gave Peter the opportunity
to really, kinda, do things
that he wasn't able to do
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within the Bluesbreakers format with
John actually playing and singing.
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Off we went and Peter recorded a
song, an instrumental.
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And Gus, or whoever else was in
there said,
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"What do you want to call this?
Just while we're doing it?"
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He said, "Well, let's call this
Fleetwood Mac.
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"Cos Mick and John are here."
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Peter did say to me at one point,
"I'm thinking seriously about
leaving The Bluesbreakers.
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"Cos I really wanna
form my own band."
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That whole vibe of Fleetwood Mac,
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it came out of those sessions.
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But Peter was very, very generous,
and absolutely did not want to be
the main dude.
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Peter said to me,
"Look. If I form this band,
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"I would like you to produce the
records, but I'm a bit worried about
signing a deal withDecca
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"because they have
Mayall's Bluesbreakers.
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"It would be very unkind of me to do
that, especially if our band became
very, very successful."
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So, I took it to CBS.
They just flipped. They flipped.
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And said, "We'll sign the band."
There was no discussion,
"We'll sign the band."
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So we actually went back into the
studio and recorded other material,
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which John McVie was not
involved in, Bob Brunning became
the bass player,
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and Jeremy Spencer was added,
somebody that
I had demoed for Decca,
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when he was part of,
I believe the band was called
the Levi Set Blues Group.
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There had been an ad in
The Melody Maker,
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written by Mike Vernon.
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If anybody knows of local talent,
blues players.
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Cos he will arrange a meeting,
audition, come and hear you.
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And he's just like,
"Yeah, we should do something. I'm
gonna tell Peter Green about you."
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Mike Vernon got
Jeremy Spencer from...
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I went to see him in
Litchfield, North of England.
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Well, actually, when I first met
him, you know, he's sitting there
with people around him.
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He goes, "Jeremy Spencer?" "Yeah.
Peter Green?" He goes, "Yeah.
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"What's up, man?"
And we shake hands.
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I said, "Hi. Do you ever listen
to Elmore James?"
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"Oh, all the time. Do you ever
listen to BB King?" And I said,
"Oh, yeah." "OK, all right."
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That was our only exchange,
you know.
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I said, "You wanna give it a go,
let's give it a go." Two lead
guitarists, you know. Two vocalists.
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I said, "Well, you're asking me...
You want me to join the band?"
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He said, "Look. You're the first
guitarist that's made me smile
since Jimi Hendrix."
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He said, "When you start playing,
I got a smile."
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And then it was like,
OK, let's do this.
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And we wanted John to join the band,
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John wouldn't, because
he wasn't sure whether the money
was gonna be there.
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But Peter called it Fleetwood Mac,
because he knew damn well
that John would come.
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So when I met Pete later,
I said, "Why you wanna call it
Fleetwood Mac?"
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He said, "Look, we'll have a band,
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"but I'll leave the band,
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"you'll leave the band."
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We hadn't even started yet
and he's talking about leaving.
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He said, "You're gonna form another
band, your own band. I'm gonna form
another band.
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"They're my friends,
what are they gonna have? I'm gonna
leave 'em with a name."
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I didn't really
take much notice of it.
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But in retrospect, it's like, boy.
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He knew even then, you know.
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Maybe he did, you know.
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I just thought he did it cos we just
happened to be sitting there.
He couldn't think of anything else.
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That's a perfect example of his lack
of self,
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when we actually formed
Fleetwood Mac, he chose that name.
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And, believe me, anyone and everyone
around us said, "It's gotta be
Peter Green, cos you're the dude."
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And he said,
"No. I wanna be in a band."
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Fleetwood Mac's just a good name.
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It's strange how those
things happen, isn't it?
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When you've got a band called
Fleetwood Mac
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and you haven't got anyone called
Mac in it to start with.
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And Peter was furious,
cos the first album actually was
called Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac.
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And that was all completely done
against his will.
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And I understand why they did it,
cos it's like, "Hey, we wanna get
as much traction as we can."
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But Peter never really wanted that
at all. And, of course, that was it.
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After that it was just
Fleetwood Mac.
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# Shake your money maker
Shake your money maker
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# You gotta shake your money maker
Shake your money maker
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# You gotta shake your money maker
And then... #
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Well, none of us knew
anything at all, really.
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To any great extent, what we had
on tape, captured exactly,
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where we were at that
particular point, at the beginning.
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It was really plug in and play.
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That was the band
that was to walk on stage.
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There was an awful lot
of pressure on everybody
to get a record out fast,
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because the buzz around
Fleetwood Mac in those early days
was quite phenomenal.
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Everybody wanted to go and see them.
Everybody wanted to interview Peter.
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Everybody said,
"When's the record coming out?
Come on, get on with it!"
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One of the tracks from the album
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was in fact the first single
Fleetwood Mac ever had.
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And it was Jeremy's
My Heart Beat Like A Hammer.
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# I woke up one morning
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# Waking with the rising sun
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# I woke up one morning
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# Waking with the rising sun
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# Thought about my baby
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# That I would do
what she'd done... #
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I kind of had my idea
of how it would sound,
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and when I went into the studio
to listen to the playback,
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the first time I'd
really heard myself back...
"Doesn't sound like Elmore enough!"
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I said, "Can't we put
some reverb on the voice?"
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Pete said, "No, no, no. Voice dry,
coming through like that, flat.
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"That's how it's supposed to sound."
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It was in the Top 20,
or maybe more, for a year.
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I knew. I knew they were gonna be
a huge band. I can't explain it,
it's just something you know.
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Fleetwood Mac was really
straight into the deep end.
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And then it expanded out of that.
And proportionally went
into an area that...
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We had no idea.
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And no doubt having a front man such
as Peter was a major part of that.
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Gradually,
we did begin to see changes.
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Obviously, the most immediate change
was with Black Magic Woman,
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which had an interesting theme
and had a really nice feel to it.
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A nice rhythmical feel to it.
And a pretty catchy little melody.
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# I've got a black magic woman
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# Yes I've got a black magic woman
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# Got me so blind I can't see... #
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When I was a kid,
things I was afraid of,
I used to try to overcome...
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I remember once, they showed
a play on television.
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With the title, Black Magic,
whatever it was,
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there was a whole group of, like,
skulls and things you would have.
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It was so frightening.
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I forget now about it,
because I kind of dispelled it with
the Black Magic Woman.
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I kind of dispelled my fear of it.
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There's no doubt that
some of the famous songs,
such as Black Magic Woman,
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I'm sure had some direct influences
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from things that were
attached to Peter, musically.
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My girlfriend who stayed with me
when I lived in a flat
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in the same block as
John Mayall had a flat in,
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she was the black magic woman,
I guess. I had to call her
something.
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She could've been magic something,
I had to call her...
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I was sitting on my own one day,
and I thought maybe I should
call her something.
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The words don't really mean
all that much at all.
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Only, sort of, things that were to
do with the girl, dedicated to the
girl. Things she used to say.
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"Don't turn your back on me."
Sometimes we used to climb in bed at
night, I would...
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If I faced the other way she would,
sort of, pretend she didn't want me
to do that, you know.
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She would say it in a, sort of,
sobby sort of way. Soft sort of way.
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Meanwhile, across the Atlantic,
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a young Carlos Santana
would pick up on Black Magic Woman,
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adding his own unique spin,
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and turning it into
a multi-million selling classic.
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He started hearing about our band.
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And especially when we covered
Black Magic Woman.
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And we took it to another level
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that, to this day, people still
feel that it's our song.
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With all respect to him.
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But then, he understood that he
also needed to expand Fleetwood Mac.
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He had this picture on himself,
I think it was me,
he called it Mr Wonderful.
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When we did the second album,
Mr Wonderful,
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much more time was spent.
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Although it still probably only
actually works out to be about five
working days in the studio.
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I was a bit more Freddie King in
this one. Trying to play like that.
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But I listen to what I did on this,
my stuff,
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and once again I can't...
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..say that I'm doing anything which
is like what I'm trying to cover.
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It's OK,
if you don't care about that.
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Yeah, there were times in the studio
where Peter seemed to go into
a reflective state.
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You know, where he would drift.
He'd look slightly at the ceiling,
or he'd look at somethingelse,
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and you could see he was thinking
and the cogs were turning.
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And you'd wonder, was he thinking,
"Should I do it again?
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"Should I listen
to what Mike's telling me,
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"or should I just ignore him
and do what I should need to do?"
Or...you know.
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And then suddenly he'd snap out of
it. And he'd make some off-the-cuff,
comical remark,
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and it was Peter again.
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And, of course, Christine was
playing piano on this stuff.
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She couldn't see anybody,
nobody could see her,
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it was a nightmare, you know.
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Peter knew how he wanted it to be,
and quite often would stop if he
didn't think it was right.
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I drew a picture of me in here.
I don't know how I got
that good-looking.
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I'm not as good-looking as that.
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But it's a terrific picture of me
with a terrific smile.
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The band's fame began to grow
as their first album
made the UK Top Ten.
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But their notoriety was growing
for a completely different reason.
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All of us, including Jeremy,
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who was probably our prime
cheerleader, were incredibly rude.
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And there were those moments
when I'd be filling up condoms
on the end of Jeremy's guitar.
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And, yes, we had a condom
filled with milk, and it was tied
on the end of my guitar.
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Hanging like that.
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And, you know, as I'm playing...
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Walked out with it on there.
Course it brings the house down.
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Probably in Germany or Holland,
in the red light district
of some such place,
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we found this huge dildo
which we called Harold.
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Harold was... He appeared quite
regularly. He was a stand-up guy.
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And Harold was brought on the middle
of a tray, usually, by Hugh Price,
our road manager,
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with beer and a few drinks
around Harold.
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And Harold would come off the tray,
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and it would reside where he would
undulate on my bass drum for the
rest of the show.
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Harold, we used to call it.
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I think we got banned
from the Marquee for that.
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One night I went into the toilet,
and found two lavatory chains
with balls on them,
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wrapped them round my lower section,
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and that was it.
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And those balls, sadly - although
they lasted a long, long time -
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the original originals went
by the wayside at some point.
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But I have a set of balls
that are right... No, uh...
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I will never play a Fleetwood Mac
gig without wearing them.
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The band was just doing, basically,
anything it wanted to do.
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And getting away with it.
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It got pretty raunchy there for
quite a while. Especially at the
Marquee.
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But it was a bit early days,
I think, for that kind of
exhibitionism.
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And certainly in the blues world.
I mean, God, if someone
like BB King had witnessed it,
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heaven knows what
he would've thought!
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It was like an antidote
to getting just too damn serious.
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If you had ever been at
any of those early gigs,
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and witnessed, you know, 600 plus
people, you know, "Oh!"
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Like this, it was the most
phenomenal thing to see.
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Then you realised that to be selling
as many records as they were they
had to appeal to a wideaudience,
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who didn't know who the hell Elmore
James was, who Hound Dog Taylor was,
or BB King. And didn't care.
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They just knew
who Fleetwood Mac was.
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# Well now look for me, baby
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# Cos you know I'm coming home
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# Well now look for me, baby
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# Cos you know I'm coming home
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# Well, I may not love you, darling
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# But you know you done
me wrong... #
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Our first tour in
America was all about,
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"Oh, my God, we're going to
where "it" all came from," you know.
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And, we were very excited, sort of,
literally quite frightened,
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I remember we wouldn't dare go out
on the street in New York,
and stuff like that.
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We thought we were all gonna
get stabbed and mugged,
which was maybe half true.
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And I say San Francisco,
more than anywhere else,
because it was in The Day.
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You know, it was just after the wane
of Haight-Ashbury.
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The first tour, we did some dates at
The Shrine. We did some dates
in New York and San Francisco.
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And there weren't
many dates on the tour.
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It was just a, sort of,
put-your-toe-in-the-water-type tour,
was the truth.
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At that time, Blue Horizon in the
States was run by a chap called
Seymour Stein,
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and I'd been to see
Seymour in New York...
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And he just wouldn't
give us any money.
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We sat around several times
for three weeks, living on
Dunkin' Donuts and stuff,
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and realising that, uh...you know...
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..we had to cut the expenses down,
so all the road crew would
be all in one room.
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We weren't famous.
We weren't anywhere near famous.
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We were just struggling again
to be noticed.
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Promoters couldn't believe it,
that you'd go on and play
a two and a half hour set,
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and then say, "We'll play the next
one for you, too, if you want.
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"And for no money, or whatever.
Seriously!"
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We would be in
hotel rooms afterwards,
playing in every major city,
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and of course you get the...young
kids coming back there,
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and the smoke would be filling the
room, and towels on the door...
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And...you'd hear all the stories.
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And the whole
political atmosphere...
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The Nixon...stuff, and all that.
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So it was a bit of an eye-opener.
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Especially coming from England which
none of that...
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The hippy thing for England was
Carnaby Street and Chelsea,
and, you know...
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How you layered your hair.
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The Real Deal was there, I think.
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Bill Graham was starting
to do his magic,
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and you'd have these incredible
line-ups where you'd get, like,
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Buddy Guy, Country Joe And The Fish,
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Tina Turner, Ike and Tina Turner
and Fleetwood Mac.
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I have a memory of Grateful Dead,
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with, uh, Jerry Garcia,
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had heard about Peter.
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People had heard about Fleetwood
Mac, but they'd heard about this
guy - Peter.
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Especially players.
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And they met us at the airport.
And we didn't have a clue
who they were, you know.
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Of course, in San Francisco
they're like God.
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From the Grateful Dead
we got complete freedom.
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They were lovers
of complete freedom.
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And I used to just play freely
on stage with them,
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with the boys sometimes.
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We just used to do that.
Play anything you wanna do.
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Grateful Dead's soundman became
very famous, his name was Owsley,
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known to many as The Bear.
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And, it was in the day when him and
his wife were trained...
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Or, his wife was a trained chemist.
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And it was not illegal.
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And they made their
fame and fortune,
404
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and the fortune was making
lysergic acid - LSD.
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And he was just sat there
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in the back of the dressing room
of the Shrine,
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uh, preaching acid.
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And he said, "Look, Peter Fonda,
409
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"look at the Beatles,
I got the Beatles turned on,
410
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"I got Jimi turned on.
411
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"I got all these guys, and look what
happened to their music.
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"If you guys want to develop..."
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Cos we were just doing blues,
the four of us.
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It was just straight blues.
No experimental thing at all.
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"You gotta do it."
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They all said, "Well, you gotta
take some acid," you know.
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And of course, "Oh, we're not taking
that stuff, give us a pint of beer."
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I was dead set against it.
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I said, "I don't think this is
right," you know.
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I was a real straight, in some ways.
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But then I was the first one to take
it.
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And then I started preaching it
to the others.
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The Beatles, they...did, uh,
Sergeant Pepper,
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a fairly big advertisement for it,
wasn't it?
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And, um... Jerry Garcia,
well, the Grateful Dead,
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they used to give their audience
along the front LSD.
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And eventually, of course,
we succumbed,
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and that was the beginning of a
whole other, sort of, drug chapter
that, uh...
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That affected us.
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Stanley, yeah...
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Yeah, he gave me a little sip
of a drink and I took that.
I guess it was laced.
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I kinda knew it was.
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So, I did take it, but, um...
434
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,280
And he said I had
a little smile on my face,
435
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,200
but...
I went with this girl...
436
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,320
We went back to her house,
I stayed with her.
437
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,960
It wasn't like it would usually be,
with a girl.
438
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,800
If I hadn't taken the LSD.
Well, it was like, sort of, church.
439
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,400
A church incident.
440
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,120
But it was good. Yeah, I guess.
441
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Oh, we had some. Me and Mick.
And Jeremy, actually.
442
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,040
And our mate, Owsley, gave us some,
and we went out to, uh...
443
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,520
Muir Beach.
444
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520
But I didn't talk to God.
445
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,680
I just felt a bit strange.
446
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,840
And we were playing at
the Warehouse, in New Orleans,
447
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,680
and Owsley had spiked
the public cooler.
448
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,880
I remember standing
in the audience going,
"Oh, wow, this is...something."
449
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,440
And Owsley recorded everything.
Had some of those recordings...
450
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Pretty interesting.
Some of it's pretty cool.
451
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Sometimes the vibes were
just...too much! In the music.
452
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,600
And what was coming off, when you're
under that influence and you see
that stuff coming at you,
453
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,960
I thought, "What am I gonna do?
Dive in there with it? Or leave?
Or..."
454
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,680
So I decided, oftentimes, to just
pull out. And go sit somewhere else.
455
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,440
We played at the Fillmore,
with the Grateful Dead,
456
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,640
jammed with them, for sure,
all on acid, as probably
half the audience was.
457
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560
We went back to the Gorham Hotel,
458
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,360
my recollection is,
459
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,760
and we were really,
"Ddjjjooo, haaaaaa!"
460
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,680
They were so freaked out by it,
461
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600
they were supposed to go back to the
Grateful Dead's place,
462
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,480
to their hotel, for a party,
and they didn't go.
463
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,600
Because they felt really nervous,
and went back to their own hotel to
hold hands, or whatever.
464
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240
And, we were all getting frightened,
465
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:35,760
we phoned Owsley, and said,
"You gotta come to the hotel,
and you gotta talk each of us down,
466
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,880
"on the phone and tell us that
everything is OK."
467
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,520
And we sat round on the floor,
468
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,400
and, John may have departed to his
room, but I can tell you,
469
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,360
we sat round and I, personally,
saw every band member as a skeleton.
470
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,280
And I was absolutely petrified.
471
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,840
By the time they did become
successful in America,
472
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,000
not only had they changed their
musical format, to a degree,
473
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040
but of course, had also changed
personnel as well.
474
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,880
In as much as they'd added
Danny Kirwan, which was at the
end of the Blue Horizon period.
475
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,200
# She's got so much blues
476
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,000
# Her best friend can't help her
477
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,160
# Her best friend's a woman
478
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200
# How can a woman help her?
479
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,760
# Woman's got the blues... #
480
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,400
Prior to doing the second album,
481
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,360
I was managing a little guy
from Brixton,
482
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,880
called Danny Kirwan, and he had a
little band called Boilerhouse.
483
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,200
And Peter and him
were quite friendly,
484
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,800
one day he came in and said to me,
"I'd like Danny to join the band."
485
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,840
And Peter said, "I'd like you
to be in Fleetwood Mac."
486
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,960
I think at that point,
Peter was starting to think
487
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,560
that Jeremy almost had
no intention of doing anything else
other than Elmore James,
488
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,560
you know, and doing his thing.
489
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,640
And so Danny Kirwan was
brought in as another injection
of new material.
490
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,560
He was the second harmony guitar.
It was a harmony guitar thing.
491
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:23,240
Sleepwalk Santo And Johnny is the
nearest you can pin it down to.
492
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,480
Apparently they'd,
sort of, jammed together,
and it gave Pete more freedom.
493
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,680
And I know that Pete wanted that
backing like Hubert Sumlin,
494
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:39,240
so I would shy away from playing any
riff behind him, and he needed that,
so he could take off a bit more.
495
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:43,040
So, El couldn't fill the shoes.
496
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,680
I think that Peter wanted the
support of Danny's intuitive style,
497
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,200
his creativity
of playing rhythm parts,
498
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
they were able to interchange.
499
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,160
And, it's the only time,
in my memory, anyway,
500
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,840
that I've seen a band with three
guitar players where it worked.
501
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,360
And they would say, "Jeremy's acting
like he don't give a shit."
502
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,480
And it's true.
503
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,960
And there was no doubt they were
getting this inspiration together,
him and Danny, working on new stuff.
504
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,480
And Danny was a bull in a china
shop.
505
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,160
He was going for it, like this.
506
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,160
Peter began to look outside
the blues
507
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,560
for more diverse musical influences
that produced a completely
unexpected hit.
508
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,280
Once the blues boom started
to just fade,
509
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,240
was around about the same time
that Peter's level of creativity
moved into another gear.
510
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:46,520
He started thinking and moving to
make more out of the blues feeling.
511
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,760
And I use that purposefully -
the blues feeling.
512
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Without it necessarily having to be
a 12 bar format, or it had to have
513
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,360
the same standard changes
acceptable within a blues format.
514
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,760
I think he felt slightly
chained by that.
515
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,280
There were things he felt,
"I can do, I can create something
new, that's not been done yet."
516
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,840
And I suppose, really, the first
evidence of that was in Albatross.
517
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,040
How did I come to write it?
518
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,240
Copying Eric Clapton.
519
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,400
I would've been watching
Eric Clapton.
520
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,680
He might've wrote it, I don't
know! He might tell me one day.
521
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,640
"Stop saying you wrote my song."
522
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,800
My biggest concern, over all the
concerns I may have had,
523
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600
was is this record
going to be a single?
524
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Can this actually be a single? Will
anybody be able to get it played?
525
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Because it was so different from
anything that had gone before it.
526
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,560
CBS were very
reluctant to release it.
527
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,000
And I got a little note
from my secretary to say,
528
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,560
I don't know if Mike knows this,
but I got a note from CBS to say
529
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,200
that unless we could
come up with major television,
they were gonna pull the single.
530
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,520
They'd put two singles out and
nothing had happened.
531
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:12,800
One of the producers of a
national Saturday night programme
532
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,880
had loved Need Your Love So Bad,
533
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,960
and I remembered this, so I sent him
over a copy of Albatross,
534
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,920
and I said, "Look, you're gonna
love this. Believe me, you'll love
it."
535
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,240
And he did love it.
And he rung me up and he said,
536
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,440
"Clifford, are the band free
on Saturday?"
537
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,160
I said, "The band are free on
Saturday. I'll make them free."
538
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,880
So they went over and
they did The Simon Dee Show,
which was primetime at that time.
539
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,520
I rang CBS, and the rest's history.
540
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,920
The show went out
and the record just went wild.
541
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,960
And the following day, CBS had
orders for 60,000 copies of it.
542
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,240
And nobody could believe it. I said,
"It's gotta be a joke. It's 600,
surely?" "No, it's 60,000.
543
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:12,800
"We'd better press a few more."
544
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:19,400
And from then onwards the sales
were, like, 60, 80, 90,000,
in no time at all it sold a million.
545
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,880
It was quite extraordinary.
546
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,760
We arrived back from the United
States, I believe on our first tour,
547
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,320
I think,
548
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,680
to a number one record, met at the
airport by a bunch of photographers,
549
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,840
and we were number one.
550
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,080
Everything changed.
551
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,000
"Number one, lads,
can't wait to see my brother."
552
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,600
It was always about the charts,
you would never get to number one,
553
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680
every time I wrote a song,
someone steals it, you know.
554
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,960
And I listened to Albatross,
and I'm being honest with you here,
555
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,880
and I thought to myself,
"What on earth is that?"
556
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,440
It just sounded like a lot of,
you know, jumble.
557
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,080
And I thought,
"Well, that's nothing.
558
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,880
"That'll be the last I hear
of that."
559
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,840
The next week, following week,
it was top of the Hit Parade.
560
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,680
I'm playing bass on this,
there's two basses on this.
561
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,360
One John and one me.
I checked one of them.
562
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,440
I'm going like that -
563
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,880
And is it a slide guitar
you're playing here?
564
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,760
No. That is. Me playing the
Stratocaster, flat on my lap.
565
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Are you doing it lap-style? Yeah.
566
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,800
All the double tracking and all
those, sort of, over-dubbed ideas
pretty much were Peter's ideas.
567
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,080
I don't remember putting
that much into how it was spaced
and where it was positioned
568
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,360
within the actual frame
of the picture, sonically.
569
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Yes, I would have had,
of course, a major input on that,
570
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,560
but the actual idea of doing it
was very much Peter's.
571
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,080
It wasn't really called Albatross,
it wasn't really called anything.
572
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,680
But you gotta call it something, so
it ended up being called Albatross
573
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,360
which is part from Blind Faith.
574
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,440
A little girl says, "I ride
on the back of a giant albatross."
575
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,520
And the other part of it was
The Ancient Mariner, the poem.
576
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,080
One, at the time he was reading
The Ancient Mariner.
577
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,200
And secondly, he was a great fan
578
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,160
of the classical composer
Vaughan Williams.
579
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,480
And he put those two together,
and Albatross emerged.
580
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:37,200
It was obviously Peter's tribute
to Santo And Johnny,
581
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,640
which is strangely ironic
that we're sitting in Hawaii.
582
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,680
But right here.
That's where that came from.
583
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,800
And of course, that whole thing of
slide playing and that beautiful...
584
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,320
The albatross,
it's Santo and Johnny, it's this.
585
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:57,160
And you can't get
away from the fact that it's got
echoes of the blues in it.
586
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,520
It's quite painful.
587
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,760
It's quite,
I mean, beautifully painful.
588
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:08,400
It was a conversation. It was, like,
here, and this ghost...
589
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,760
Question, answers, and so simple.
590
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,080
You know, it was about as simple as
it can get.
591
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Dum-de-dum, like that.
But beautiful.
592
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,920
It must be very weird
for people who didn't know the band
before Albatross,
593
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,800
to buy Albatross and then
go and see this bunch...
594
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,240
..playing anything BUT Albatross.
595
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:37,200
And in the middle of all this blues,
rock 'n' roll, there's Albatross.
596
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,240
Which, of course, all of his fans,
the die-hard blues fans,
597
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,120
they said,
"Well, it's not a blues record!"
598
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,880
Well, so what? The blues feeling
within the record is undeniable.
599
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520
It sold over a million records.
How wrong can you be?
600
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,360
It came out again a second time,
I think three years later,
601
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,440
and went to number two, and only
sold 940,000, the second time.
602
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,280
I mean, come on, you know.
603
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,920
So, he really shut everybody up.
And from that moment onwards,
nobody really questioned it.
604
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,840
We had no idea it was
gonna be a number one single.
605
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,680
And it was also our journey into
having to handle being pop stars.
606
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,000
You know, with happily something
that was totally unique.
607
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,160
It was an instrumental,
for Christ's sake!
608
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,000
Yeah, once you've got a number one
hit, especially if you're a writer.
609
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,920
I was the main writer of Albatross,
if not the only writer, arranger.
610
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,800
So, I felt quite an achievement,
you know.
611
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,400
Quite an achievement.
612
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,800
With the unexpected success
of Albatross,
613
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,520
the band reached new levels
of stardom.
614
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,400
But Peter was clearly uncomfortable
with the fame and fortune
it brought.
615
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,440
He expressed his growing
feeling of discontent
616
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
in the lyric of his next single.
617
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:57,040
Man Of The World
was the first cry for help
that we heard from Peter Green.
618
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,800
You listen to that lyric,
you can hear that the pressure
is beginning to get to him.
619
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,240
That the, um...
620
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,520
The intensity of the music business
circus is beginning to hit him.
621
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,240
I read somewhere that to play the
blues, you have to have the blues.
622
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,320
Right?
623
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,280
Not that I'm an expert on that,
in any way.
624
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,160
But that really stuck with me.
625
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,600
You never think of
Jimmy Page having the blues,
or Eric Clapton having the blues,
626
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,240
but Peter Green did, you know what I
mean? He was a troubled soul.
627
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,520
"There's no-one I'd rather be,
628
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,120
"than myself,
but I wish I'd never been born."
629
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,960
That's... That's a pretty...
630
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,440
That's almost like a suicide note.
631
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,000
And...
632
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Unless you're, you know,
"It's just a song."
633
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,520
But he really was...plagued.
634
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,080
# I guess I've got everything I need
635
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,880
# I wouldn't ask for more
636
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,600
# And there's no-one I'd rather be
637
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,520
# But I just wish
that I had never been born... #
638
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:24,160
In terms of noticing anything with
Peter's emotional or mental health,
639
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,440
absolutely not, my God.
I mean, if we had...
640
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,920
I wished that I'd had the chops to
recognise something like that.
641
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,240
And if you listened to
Man Of The World,
642
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,960
you may very well have said this is
someone who's in a lot of trouble.
643
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,000
You know, and
is incredibly sad, and...
644
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,120
Uh... No, we did not.
645
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,440
And I have some
personal regrets that,
646
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,200
although we were
all in the same boat,
and he was our big white leader,
647
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:04,280
we all dutifully went the same way,
except he didn't fully recover
from that journey.
648
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,400
You have this romantic notion of
him, that he always wanted to be
somewhere else, you know.
649
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,680
I think the lyrics to Man Of The
World probably say it all about him.
650
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,720
# And I need a good woman
651
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,840
# To make me feel like
a good man should
652
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,240
# I don't say I'm a good man
653
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:51,000
# Oh, but I would be if I could... #
654
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,520
That was the last time
I actually worked with the band,
with Man Of The World.
655
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,960
The departure of Fleetwood Mac
and the way in which they moved
from Blue Horizon elsewhere
656
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,040
was something that neither my
brother or I could see coming.
657
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,120
The pie was Warner.
658
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:16,520
Reprise. Who had...billions
to throw around. You know.
659
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,640
And that was basically what it was.
Which, I guess,
Mike Vernon didn't have.
660
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:32,120
I think we were staring as a band
to feel the potential,
661
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,120
certainly in the writing circles,
and majorly with Peter,
at that point,
662
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,240
that something was going to be afoot
663
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:45,400
and we need to not just be
banging out 12 bars
for the rest of our days.
664
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,880
# Better love me, baby
665
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,520
# Love me all the time
666
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,960
# Better love me, baby
667
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,200
# Let me know you're mine
668
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,760
# Don't care what you say
669
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,240
# You're going to like it this way
670
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,600
# Give me all your love
671
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,120
# Because I know you need
672
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,760
# Give me all your love
673
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880
# Because I know you need
674
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,480
# A little bit of that holdin'
675
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,000
# A little bit of that squeeze... #
676
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:24,160
That audience that we'd had set up,
ended up coming, thankfully,
coming with us.
677
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,440
Now, with the financial backing
of their label, Reprise,
678
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000
and the writing input
of Danny Kirwan,
679
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,960
Peter felt free to be
more experimental.
680
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,440
The band were moving
in a new direction.
681
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,360
They entered into the studio
to record their third album -
Then Play On.
682
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,600
Well, I think when Peter...
683
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:48,200
Strictly speaking, his last
calling-card
684
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,960
was Then Play On,
and it's very clear where he was
going, he was experimenting.
685
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Peter basically handed that whole
first album, in many ways,
to Jeremy Spencer.
686
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,400
I mean, think about it.
687
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,840
You know, here's the Green God
and he was to do that later
688
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,840
with Danny Kirwan with Then Play On.
689
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,320
He said, "Look, we're gonna do an
album," Then Play On, "Do you have
anything, you know, new?
690
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,960
"And not more Elmore."
691
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:25,200
And I said, "If it is anything it'll
be old rock 'n' roll, or...
692
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,760
"I don't have any new...thing."
I just wasn't...
693
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520
And it's not something
you strain at,
694
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:39,320
trying to - oh, I'm gonna get
inspired, I'm gonna come up with an
artistically progressivething.
695
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,680
I didn't have anything. And if you
don't have it, you don't have it.
696
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,720
I think it was an incredibly
important album for Fleetwood Mac
697
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:53,200
in terms of at least...showing what
the potential...could have been.
698
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,280
At one point I think he wanted
the band to do a bit more jamming -
699
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,880
and be a bit more adventurous.
700
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,840
I think he felt that at one point.
701
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,720
It was a great band, you know,
and it was powerful and...
702
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,480
..believable and all of those
ingredients were there.
703
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,720
# Baby, if you've got to rock
704
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,640
# I've got to be your rocking horse
705
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,720
# Ever think you'd like to roll?
706
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,320
# So maybe you'd dig it more. #
707
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,800
Oh, I loved it.
708
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,640
It was all just getting better and
better.
709
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,480
# Oh-oh-oh
710
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,240
# When it's time to crash
711
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,600
# When I get home at night
712
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,240
# I guess I've got
to shake myself. #
713
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,680
He was taking his journey
714
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:54,600
and...Then Play On really speaks
to some of the experiments.
715
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,640
It was about as far as he could go -
he was starting to play parts,
716
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:04,720
and say, "John, give me the bass,
I'll do it."
717
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:09,040
Er...and doing some drum parts, and
stuff like that.
718
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,240
And then, "You try this, Mick."
719
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,840
That was his first thing of his
version of sort of
720
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,600
the Brian Wilson side of
Peter Green, coming out
721
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:24,920
with this musical conductor of
seeing and hearing parts,
722
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,960
not just playing...with a guitar
and delivering a song.
723
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,200
With the band's fame
and fortune growing, Peter began
to explore his spirituality.
724
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:42,240
During a drug-fuelled experience,
he came up with alternative ideas
to share their new-found wealth.
725
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,920
He had a conscience, I think,
quite early on -
726
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,800
social or otherwise -
about the huge amounts of money
727
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,320
that appeared to be able to be
earned by someone like himself
728
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,120
in comparison to what he felt
it was actually worth.
729
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,800
I was on a bit of mescaline at
the time, I was taking the tablets.
A piece of mescaline.
730
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,440
I was doing great -
I was feeling wonderful.
731
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:15,880
Very pure thoughts were coming
which I used to think I used
to think as a younger person.
732
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,200
So it was in line with my...
733
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,720
my sort of love of thinking.
734
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,080
He was supposed to have had some
kind of vision
735
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,960
about a starving child in his arms.
736
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:33,080
At the time I was watching Biafra
on the television
737
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,360
and er...a famine in Biafra.
738
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,080
There were people starving to death
there and um...
739
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,560
I was thinking, "Why does it
always seem to be white powder?
740
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,680
"You see the women doing this
and all they have is white powder.
741
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,560
"So what is that supposed to be?
742
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,040
"Why can't we give them sandwiches?
743
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,160
"Something simple like
cheese and tomato sandwiches?
744
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,400
"Why can't we give them cold...?
Surely it would be nourishment."
745
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,160
And in my vision -
I had taken this stuff -
746
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,880
I was listening to Santana's first
album and it's got a very heavy bass
on there.
747
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,000
A very heavy African-style bass.
748
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,000
In this dream I asked a boy,
one of the boys,
749
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,320
if he wanted a sandwich,
if he would take it.
750
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,360
And he did but I didn't think
he was going to.
751
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,880
And, um, he did take it and I seemed
752
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:39,680
to cross...a colour, a sort
of barrier, cross a barrier,
753
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,160
and it was...
it was well worth doing.
754
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,640
So I got in touch with War On Want
and they sent me all this stuff.
755
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,240
And Pete and I watched it and
he said, "This is all very good.
756
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,040
"But it's not what I want.
I want to be able
757
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,000
"to actually give the food to these
people.
758
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,680
"I don't want it to go through
chains of other people."
759
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,920
And I said, "OK, that's fine."
That was how it was left.
760
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,960
It was just Peter Green and of
course the next I hear,
761
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,800
he's trying to persuade - remember,
I told you he's a great salesman -
762
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,560
he is then trying to sort of coerce
the rest of the band into it.
763
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,600
He dropped it on us when we were
smoking dope in the hotel room.
764
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,160
I'd seem to remember it coming
in Munich.
765
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,080
No, it was before that.
It was in the States.
766
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,880
Yes, it was. Jeremy's right,
it was in the States. In a hotel.
767
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,400
It absolutely was!
And you talked me out of it. I did.
768
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,160
You were really into it.
He was going. I was going to do it.
769
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,760
You might have... You just kept
coming down and down...
770
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,920
At one point you said, "Wow,
the idea makes me feel quite free."
771
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,800
Which is actually... You said that.
772
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,000
I sort of got swept along
with Peter's...
773
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,800
..strength, if you like,
of that belief.
774
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,880
He'd been reading
this book, Candy's Truth.
775
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,000
So it all kind of meshed together,
776
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,360
and yeah, we were making big money.
777
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,920
He wanted us to just throw it all
and just buy a house together
778
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,680
and just play and...
779
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,040
And I said, "OK, I'm willing to try
it."
780
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,440
He said, "Oh, good."
781
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,960
Any money we've got from this month,
for instance,
782
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,360
we could give to charity,
to starvation.
783
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,320
But we really... It weren't serious
to the rest of us.
784
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,960
The reality of it - we were talking
about it actually stoned.
785
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,640
Then really,
how are we going to go about this?
786
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,920
KEITH ALTHAM:
Most young people are idealistic
and want to change the status quo.
787
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,320
Then of course, when they become
hugely rich and successful,
788
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,200
they become the very people that
they were warning against
789
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,800
and don't want to give anything up.
790
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,280
Well, Peter didn't want to be a part
of that, I don't think.
791
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,880
He wanted to get out from under it
before he became a part
792
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,320
of the same kind of material
orthodoxy
793
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,280
that he was rebelling against.
794
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,680
# I can't help
about the shape I'm in
795
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,960
# I can't sing, I ain't pretty
and my legs are thin
796
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,800
# But don't ask me
what I think of you
797
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,760
# I might not give the answer
that you want me to
798
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,360
# Oh, well. #
799
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,640
On Granada TV in Manchester,
they had these things on at 2am -
800
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,680
Five Minute Profile - of artists
like Bowie and T-Rex and all that.
801
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,160
We used to stay up
and I'd get stoned.
802
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,440
I remember there was one on
Fleetwood Mac but right at the
beginning of the five minutes -
803
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,120
this may be a 30 second thing -
804
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,920
that Fleetwood Mac was born out of
the ashes
805
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,680
of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac.
806
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,000
And they showed some footage of them
playing Oh Well.
807
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,120
And I remember the guitar and just
thinking,
808
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,240
"Fucking hell, that's amazing!"
809
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:35,160
Cos the first one is not necessary.
It did almost get to number one.
810
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,680
But the first one, part one...
811
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,200
Part two is the only real offering.
812
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,920
On compilation records,
I wouldn't put part one on.
813
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,160
I call it packing to get to...
814
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,240
To know how to present that
second one, to start it off maybe.
815
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,520
# He said, stick by my side
and I'll be your guiding hand... #
816
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,520
This is the Jesus thing.
817
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,480
# But don't ask me
what I think of you... #
818
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,240
Cos he says we all fall short
of the glory of God.
819
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,240
That's on the pamphlets
they hand out.
820
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,120
We all sin and we all fall short
of the glory of God.
821
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,560
That's what that bit means.
That's quite good, quite clever.
822
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
It's nice to revisit yourself.
823
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,200
To promote their third album, they
embarked on a major European tour.
824
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,040
When they reached Munich, Peter
was greeted by some unexpected fans.
825
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,720
Certainly,
John McVie would fully blame...
826
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,400
..an event in Germany
where Peter took some more drugs
827
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,000
and for sure never really came back
from that, to our recollection.
828
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,880
And John is, to this day, absolutely
furious with these people.
829
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,960
We call them the German jet set.
830
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,280
And they captured Peter completely
and pulled him away.
831
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:07,840
We got up to Munich airport and all
of a sudden, these people showed up.
I don't know if it was two or three.
832
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,160
But I remember the two of them -
specifically a very beautiful girl -
833
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,080
I mean like model, actress-looking,
dressed in this black velvet.
834
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:23,680
Whoa! And this guy next to her...
and he looked like John Lennon.
835
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,040
He had these wire-rimmed glasses
and a cape.
836
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,200
And they met Pete right there.
837
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,800
It looked like it had been arranged
somehow.
838
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
And it was kind of unspoken -
I thought,
839
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,520
"Maybe Mick and them know something
about these people."
840
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,200
They didn't acknowledge any of
the rest of us.
841
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,960
They were very rude.
842
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,280
The reality was that Peter was
already set to leave Fleetwood Mac.
843
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,960
Pretty much...
844
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,120
But my God, this was like the final
nail in the coffin,
845
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:59,120
which of course,
we related to...as a band.
846
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,680
So, they came to the gig.
847
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,080
It was like they looked
at the rest of the band in disdain.
848
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:15,040
I don't know if it was musically -
they didn't think we were quite
in the zone enough or whatever.
849
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,040
They were very intellectual types.
850
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,480
There was a party we were
invited to.
851
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,320
This big, HUGE mansion place
in the forest.
852
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,280
We went out to this mansion...
853
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,200
..pseudo, you know,
big old weird house.
854
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,360
So we're driving into there
and finally we come to this place.
855
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:44,240
And...it was a hippy commune
sort of thing.
856
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,800
Um, with weird stuff going on
in all the rooms.
857
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,120
That girl was there...
858
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,840
There were psychedelic painted
walls. But a rich, rich place.
859
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,200
There was definitely some money
flying around.
860
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,200
They were like
German aristocracy-ish.
861
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,960
We arrived and I got out of the van.
862
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,880
Dennis Keane comes walking up to me
shaking in his boots.
863
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,800
He was stoned too.
864
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,560
He goes, "It's so weird down there.
Don't go down there, Jeremy.
865
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,880
"Don't go down there.
Pete is weirding out big time.
866
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,680
"The vibes are just horrible."
867
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,120
I didn't realise what was going on
868
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,760
until I talked to someone
and didn't realise they were German.
869
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,240
And I was on this trip and I didn't
understand what was going on.
870
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:39,280
Then I see Pete in the studio
playing his guitar with all these...
871
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,920
It was like mayhem.
872
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,520
Pete was laughing and
he thought it was great.
873
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840
And Dennis Keane -
874
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:53,000
I have some recollection of him
somewhat trying
875
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,040
to be the responsible
road manager guy.
876
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,000
He was like,
"Come on, it's time to go."
877
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,240
But in truth,
it started getting to us as well.
878
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,640
And then as, like anything else,
it wears off
879
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,200
and if you wear off with it,
then you know what's going on -
880
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,160
you're aware of it.
And, immediately, I said,
881
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,080
"Well, we've got to get out
of here."
882
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,480
He was practically in tears.
883
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,480
I tried to, kind of...
you know, reassure him -
884
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,720
"Look, you know...
885
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,080
"God is in control..."
You know.
886
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,280
I did my best, you know,
but it was really weird
887
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:35,760
and the music coming up from below,
down there was, it was bad news.
888
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,280
I really can't play
with no-one listening.
889
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,240
Or enjoying myself or whatever it
was, I got a curious sound.
890
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,920
They definitely knew
who they wanted to be with,
891
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,640
and nurture and they had
a music thing going on there.
892
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:56,880
Er...
893
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,720
And...Peter was the man.
894
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,200
I believe they
were some sort of cult.
895
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,760
That is what they do. They get you
in and strip you of your identity,
896
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,800
of your belongings, of your money
and it helps them
897
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,680
to become more powerful.
898
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,200
And I say that because they were
just starting up
899
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,040
and Peter Green was a prime man who
was making millions.
900
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,880
And he did give off this
religious look, Peter.
901
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,480
Peter said, "What do you think
of what I'm playing?" "It was shit!"
902
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,200
It sounded like a pile of tits.
903
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,440
But he said, "That's what you think.
That's the most spiritual music
I've ever played in mylife."
904
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,960
I had a good play there,
I recorded that.
905
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,600
I didn't - someone did
and they gave me a tape.
906
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:49,320
That one girl was there and she was
taking nude photographs in one room.
907
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,800
The chap who John has a distinct
distain for
908
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:59,440
had an incredibly
beautiful girlfriend or wife.
909
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,240
Stunning.
910
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,960
And it was all very...
911
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,080
Yeah. Yeah.
912
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:13,040
There was a few people playing
with us, just fooling around.
913
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,640
And it was, um, it was, er...
914
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,400
Yeah, it was great.
915
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,040
I didn't know where we were.
916
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:27,760
But when we used to play Europe,
I'd always have a box of matches
or key of the hotel so I knew.
917
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,720
I said, "I'll phone the manager."
918
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,760
I say, "You got to come down and get
us out of here."
919
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,400
A couple of times I'd look and
he was in the back of the car with
Danny
920
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,520
and suddenly he...
921
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,880
..like this and Danny would do it.
922
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,400
And he'd be on the other side
cos he'd be like this together.
923
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,720
And they had this... Like they
were locked in something together.
924
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,360
And it wasn't good.
925
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,640
Peter Green and Danny Kirwan
both went together
926
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:05,080
to that house in Munich, both of
them took acid as I understand it.
927
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:10,280
Both of them, as of that day,
became seriously mentally ill.
928
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,160
I think it's too much of a
coincidence for it to be anything
929
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,000
other than taking drugs.
930
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,400
As of that day - and I think if you
speak to Mick and John and Jeremy,
931
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,480
they will tell you exactly the same
story.
932
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,320
For Me? Yeah.
933
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,680
That was...that was
the fork in the road.
934
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,320
Um...buggers.
935
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,360
After the cathartic experience
of Munich,
936
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,000
Peter was growing more disillusioned
with the constraints of the band.
937
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:45,480
And during the European tour,
he finally decided to leave.
938
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,720
Peter and I were sitting together
at the back
939
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,440
of a bus on the Scandinavian tour.
940
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,320
I think it was in Norway.
941
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:58,600
He said, "I've been meaning
to have a chat with you." "Why?"
942
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,920
He said,
"Um, I want to leave the band."
943
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,440
"Have you told the band yet?" "No."
944
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,120
I said,
"Well, I suggest that you do."
945
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,480
And he went up the front and
just told the band.
946
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,280
That's what he wanted to do.
947
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,120
I don't remember trying to talk him
out of it. I just remember going...
948
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,520
"Oh, shit!"
949
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,280
Clifford took me and we were walking
along the corridor to the room
950
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,960
and he said, "Pete's..."
951
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,360
And he said, "I think if anybody
could persuade him, it could be you.
952
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,560
"Would you at least give it a try?"
953
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:39,480
Cos everyone was just devastated and
I was thinking...
954
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,000
"Maybe it's supposed to be."
955
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,800
I didn't feel like persuading him.
956
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,560
I just didn't...
957
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,160
And we just kept talking.
"I just want to leave" - that was
about all he said.
958
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,880
"What do you think?"
959
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,720
I said, "If you really feel
you should, you should."
960
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,680
We stopped rehearsing at one point.
961
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,760
We'd rehearse but never
get anywhere.
962
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,520
At one point we stopped
all together.
963
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,480
I felt like leaving the
group because it didn't feel right,
or sort of...
964
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:19,160
Whatever it was, I felt like leaving
would be some kind of something.
965
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,200
Even if you're an orchestra musician
playing and reading from the thing,
966
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,160
you should get a kick out of it of
some kind.
967
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,080
And he played out the gigs that he
said he would play out,
968
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:29,320
and then that was it.
969
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,880
# Now when the day goes to sleep
970
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,560
# And when the full moon looks
971
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,880
# And the night is so black
that the darkness cooks
972
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,280
# Then you come creeping around
973
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,880
# Making me do things
I don't want to do. #
974
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,920
You knew things were wrong with
Peter just from the music.
975
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:15,800
You knew The Green Manalishi
was a very strange song -
976
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,840
the product of a mind
that was slightly unsettled.
977
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,320
Everybody thinks seems to think
that's about LSD - it's not.
978
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,120
It's about money -
a wad of money, greenbacks.
979
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,880
"The Green Manalishi."
980
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,720
And he did have an obsession
about money.
981
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,520
You listen to the guitars on The
Green Manalishi and it's dark, man.
982
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:41,080
Within the space of maybe two years
he went from Albatross which,
983
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,520
they should play it to you when
you're in the fucking dentist chair,
know what I mean?
984
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:50,120
But The Green Manalishi -
that's quite difficult to listen to.
985
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,160
But I guess it's the measure of
the man.
986
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,880
I think he starting getting broody
and brooding and...
987
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:03,880
..and a little on the negative side
988
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,120
with his thoughts and...
989
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,120
And I think he had a hard time
handling it.
990
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,520
And that Munich thing just kind of
clinched it
991
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,920
so he started singing about those
feelings,
992
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,200
putting it into words and songs.
993
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:25,000
The last thing he recorded was
Green Manalishi which for sure is...
994
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,040
And he seemed fine.
995
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:32,120
And yet, you know,
he was probably maybe even...
996
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,360
..hearing voices then - I don't
know.
997
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:40,600
I'm going to do a thing I
haven't done for a long, long time -
a solo number.
998
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,600
# I don't look for no worries
999
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,720
# But worries and troubles
come around
1000
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,840
# I don't look for no worries
1001
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,200
# Worries and troubles
come around. #
1002
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:15,160
I asked him once, I said to him,
"Pete, why did you leave
Fleetwood Mac?
1003
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:20,440
"Going great guns, nice life,
nice...productions."
1004
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:24,680
He said, "Well, I said all I had to
say. I had nothing more to say."
1005
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:31,480
And that was it. For me, it was...
a great loss.
1006
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:33,840
Cos I...you know...
1007
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,400
it was the band, the band, the band
and all that stuff,
1008
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:44,040
but I felt very close and...I had an
ultimate respect for Peter.
1009
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:49,080
And we had so much fun, and then all
of that just sort of went.
1010
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,320
And...it was tough.
1011
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,880
I-I felt...cheated.
1012
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,280
If the front man and the writer
leaves, you know...
1013
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,800
..oh, goodness me,
what are we going to do?
1014
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:09,800
And that's when I did my level best
to...and did...keep the band going.
1015
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,760
My mum and dad were devastated.
1016
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,080
I don't think that my dad was
ever right again after that.
1017
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,760
He took it very hard.
1018
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,160
At the time I was living in this
house with my brother and his wife,
1019
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,840
I moved in. But I guess they sort of
suspected from talking to me
1020
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,240
I was...I had a different pleasure
in my mind.
1021
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,680
Maybe the way I played the guitar,
the way I did music.
1022
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,360
I did some great stuff on LSD in
Munich - some fabulous stuff,
1023
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,440
which I liked.
1024
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:46,840
I think Peter was just ahead of the
game and just felt that we couldn't
make that journey.
1025
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:52,240
He went his merry way. Sadly,
and I think it was in retrospect,
1026
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:58,200
uh...I believe that it would have
been a better choice for Peter
1027
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,840
had he...
1028
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,640
..taken us with him somehow,
1029
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,720
but it wasn't to be,
and we were all lost.
1030
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,920
APPLAUSE
1031
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,960
Peter approached Clifford Adams with
a view to recording a new album
1032
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,320
that would surprise even the most
ardent of his fans.
1033
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,600
He would have good days
and bad days,
1034
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:36,080
and he came in to see me one day and
he said, "I've been jamming with
some friends of mine,"
1035
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,520
and I said, "Oh, yeah?" And he said,
"I'd like you to and organise
if it's possible
1036
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,120
"to make an album of what I'm
doing."
1037
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,760
And in we went and he just played
and played
1038
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,680
and played and played.
1039
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,160
For me, it was Peter exorcising
the demons within him.
1040
01:12:54,160 --> 01:13:00,040
That to me was what that album was
all about. He loved percussion,
he loved rhythm,
1041
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,920
and the guys that he made the
End Of The Game with was a drummer
1042
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,040
in a band called The Gas.
1043
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,320
Great player, funky player -
stuff that I couldn't do.
1044
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,760
The link between music and drugs was
still playing an occasional part in
Peter's life.
1045
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,240
And LSD influenced
some of the recording sessions.
1046
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,160
We did take...there was LSD going
round at that session.
1047
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,080
There was a bottle of champagne that
was laced with the thing
1048
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,440
I had a couple of...
little drops of it,
1049
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:31,360
and I did feel a bit effervescent.
1050
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,840
It sounds like it's in a sort of
liquid echo
1051
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,200
and the echo that you put on
in the sound control room.
1052
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,800
He did a lot of long,
sustained note stuff,
1053
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,520
and his tone was just to die for.
1054
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:53,560
And he did so much with really, not
a lot of technique in those days.
1055
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:54,600
Not really.
1056
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,120
To me...ridiculous,
but I was going, like...
1057
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:14,560
he feels guilty about being
so wonderfully talented.
1058
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:20,120
He's trying to sort of run back to
being in the butcher's shop or
something,
1059
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:26,120
and I don't want all this pressure,
which translates into
1060
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:31,560
not only what became that special
thing about Peter's playing,
1061
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,200
but it also was his monkey
on his back,
1062
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,680
that nigh on destroyed him,
you know.
1063
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,320
For the next decade,
Peter would be nearly silent,
1064
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,160
and during those wilderness years,
his notoriety was reduced
1065
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,080
to occasional press stories of
Peter giving away his guitars,
1066
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,800
refusing his royalties,
becoming a dishevelled tramp,
1067
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,840
and taking a series of
bizarre day jobs.
1068
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,560
But Peter was still occasionally
experimenting with LSD,
1069
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,240
and one particular trip
sparked a psychotic episode.
1070
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,720
I...met this chap,
1071
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:12,400
who had this apartment in Surbiton,
and there he offered me
1072
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,200
the famous San Francisco "Sunshine",
1073
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,440
a tablet of Sunshine,
1074
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:20,440
so it was...I must admit,
it was great,
1075
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:22,760
it was very, very heavy.
1076
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,400
But after that, I guess I was
out of reach to my folks,
1077
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:32,520
and I went to my brother and his
wife who had a place in Epsom,
1078
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,800
and...my mother and father had
moved in with them, and I said...
1079
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:41,560
I was with them and they said,
"There's a little room
you can live in if you want to."
1080
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,760
And from there,
I started acting strange -
1081
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,680
strange things started happening
and I smashed a lot
of crockery one time.
1082
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,880
I just picked up a whole tray.
1083
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,200
That's what I thought I ended up
in a psychiatric hospital for.
1084
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,960
He was getting voices...
1085
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,600
that would tell him
to do nasty things.
1086
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,680
We was trying to rally round him
so that he...
1087
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,320
..he wouldn't DO the nasty things.
1088
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,960
He didn't do 'em, but I mean,
he used to think 'em.
1089
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,000
We saw a Chinese doctor.
1090
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,040
He said, "Do you hear voices?"
1091
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,560
I said, "Yeah, I do hear
something strange...
1092
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,320
"I am having a lot of strange
experiences inside my head."
1093
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:25,360
The doctor came along and said,
"Look...your son is a schizophrenic.
1094
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:30,120
"The best thing you can do
is send him to the hospital
1095
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,760
"and get some treatment."
1096
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:37,760
Well, obviously, my mum and dad just
didn't have the courage to do that.
1097
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,960
And I had to do it.
1098
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,840
I didn't think I was schizophrenic -
anything, far from THAT.
1099
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,040
To THEM it's schizophrenia,
1100
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,560
but to YOU,
it's hellishly single-minded.
1101
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,720
You know, you can't...
1102
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,600
..you can't escape from
the single-minded...
1103
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:04,600
But it is entirely going through
your mind and things, it's...
1104
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,640
So, he might think he knows
what my particular case was.
1105
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,040
It might not have been
anything like that.
1106
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,360
Apparently, it's for violence
they usually take you in.
1107
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,400
A GP was likening ECT to...
1108
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,080
in those days, valve televisions.
"It's a bit like when the television
1109
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,280
"goes on the blink -
if you bang it, sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't."
1110
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,520
That was a GP talking.
1111
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,760
It's called
Electric Convulsive Treatment,
1112
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so maybe some people do convulse
and some don't, or something.
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01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,840
I don't know...
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01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,480
You don't know what happens,
cos you're...
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01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:43,560
You go out pretty quick,
as soon as you feel this ice...
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01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,720
ice water in your veins...
everything goes cold.
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01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:51,440
And you say your goodbyes,
"I'm never gonna live again,"
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01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:53,480
and...
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01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:55,960
..then you wake up.
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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,800
His girlfriend at the time,
the lady,
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01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,960
she remembers him coming back - this
was later on, when he wasn't
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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,120
in hospital when he was still
undergoing the treatment -
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01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,400
and he'd just be stood there
with his arms about a foot out,
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01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,920
just like a rigid...
a rigid sort of person
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01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,520
just in front of her absolutely
dazed out of his brains.
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01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,280
I can't believe how bad
a memory it is. Terrible memory.
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01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,240
After a series of stays in
various mental institutions
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01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,920
and some time spent out of the UK,
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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,600
Peter returned and contacted
his manager
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01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,800
to challenge him
on some accounting irregularities.
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01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,960
"I want somebody
to shoot my accountant!"
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01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,440
I don't see that as such
a strange thing to want to do!
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01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:44,120
One day, he rang me up,
he'd just got back from Canada,
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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,760
and he said to me that...
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01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,360
He smuggled a shotgun in,
a pumped shotgun...
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01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,680
..and he was gonna go round and
kill his accountant, David Simmons.
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01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:03,720
I phoned up...the manager...used to
be the manager for Fleetwood Mac,
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01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,200
and asked him if he had any money.
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01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,120
He said, "The accountant's
got your money.
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01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,840
"I haven't got your money..."
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01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,000
So I said - I don't know why,
but I said, "I'll shoot you."
1142
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,080
I felt like he...wasn't
speaking straight with me.
1143
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,640
And he was speaking straight with
me, and I said, "I'll shoot you."
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01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,440
And he said, "Are you threatening
me?" I said, "Yeah...yeah."
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01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,240
HE LAUGHS
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01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,720
David rang the police,
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01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,760
and Peter was arrested.
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01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,520
"Would you please come out of there?
This is the police.
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01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:41,920
"You are surrounded."
1150
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,040
My mum and dad were probably
watching EastEnders or something...
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01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:52,440
..obviously, they went out and
explained that Peter wasn't here...
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01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:56,240
There was a phone call and the
police rang up, someone said,
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01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,000
"Have you got a licence
for the gun?" I said "No..."
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01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,680
They said, "Come with us."
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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,760
They moved me a couple of times
from the prison to different ones,
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01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,360
and I was quite happy in prison
so I thought I'd be all right,
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01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,240
but they said, "You failed
the psychiatrist's test
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01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:17,520
"and you go to the psychiatric
hospital for a few months."
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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,840
I went in, and I was very, very ill
- I mean, very, very ill.
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01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,360
I could hardly move. I was very bad.
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01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,360
I couldn't pick up,
I just couldn't pick up.
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01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,560
Didn't know how to pick myself up.
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01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,440
I find it very difficult
to understand...
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01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:36,200
what was on his mind.
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01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,040
Obviously, he was on another planet.
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01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:46,120
That was the condition...
I came out of the ECT room,
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01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,000
and that's what ECT...
that's what it did to me.
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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,400
It made my head feel like brick
work,
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01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,560
like it was shaped like a head,
but it was sort of...
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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,760
You couldn't use it, make it...
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01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,000
I couldn't think, you know.
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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,840
After it was decided Peter was
unable to look after himself,
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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,480
he ended up spending an increasing
amount of time
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01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:14,240
in a mental institution
under heavy sedation.
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01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,680
Peter's brother Mike was distressed
by his deteriorating mental health,
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01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,680
and decided Peter would be
better off with his family.
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01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,000
And, finally, he brought him home.
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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,800
You can live in these places,
you know, nothing to do...
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01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,560
Mickey came along and got me out...
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01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,080
maybe to get me out...
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01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,480
I didn't know if I was
ever gonna come out...
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01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:39,800
Nothing to...nothing to go IN for,
I don't know what I went in for...
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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:44,680
Once you're in there,
you have a drink,
you get used to the regularities...
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01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,520
You sit in the armchairs,
you know...
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01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,720
Don't know what else...
Not much else to do...with yourself.
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01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:56,120
You know, he was a known face,
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01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,600
and especially by the time of
the mid-80s,
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01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,160
the way that he looked
with the long fingernails.
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01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:07,000
He came up against a lot of children
calling him various names...
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The next thing I heard,
it was in Brazil,
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01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,280
and it was some things
to do with Richmond Common...
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01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:17,520
and, um...Judy Wong,
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01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:22,440
where he was scratching her door
and making the sounds of a wolf.
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01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,480
Well, she thought it was an animal
at the door,
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01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,360
and there he was on all fours...
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HE WHIMPERS
..making...like a dog.
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01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,240
So, she let him in, you know,
and took care of him and everything.
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01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:42,200
He was sometimes just
roaming around the streets,
not knowing where he was,
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01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,880
and having lost all sense of time...
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01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,600
It was a very, very sad
and dangerous time for him.
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01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,160
The author, Martin Celmins,
began writing Peter's biography,
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01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,400
and it was during their
early meetings to research the book
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01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,040
that Martin helped Peter
to come off his daily medication.
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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,600
Martin Celmins, a journalist
who wrote a biography on me...
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01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,760
He noticed I was about to take
another tablet with my breakfast.
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01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:13,640
We did the interview in this...
just by Leigh-on-Sea,
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01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:18,400
in this greasy spoon cafe,
and he would drink coffee...
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01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,880
Coffee...lots of...
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01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,600
because, I guess, that made him feel
slightly more alert, you know.
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01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:29,680
I just took two days of this,
and quite naturally, I just thought,
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01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,000
"Hang on a minute,
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01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,160
"in the evening,
he's talking absolutely normally,
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01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:40,400
"no weirdness about it,
and then he's taking his medication,
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01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:44,240
"which means for
the first three hours of his day,
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01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,520
"he is literally a zombie."
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01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,680
He said, "Do you think you
should do that?" Or something...
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01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,960
I don't remember the exact words...
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01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,760
He...got me to think about it,
1219
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,520
and I didn't bother with 'em.
Didn't know what
I was taking them for...
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01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,200
I just..."I won't
take 'em anymore, then."
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01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,760
Lo and behold,
two days later, he had stopped
taking the medication.
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01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,120
Over the last decade,
with various solo bands,
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01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,000
Peter has recorded over ten albums,
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including the award-winning
Robert Johnson Songbook
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and Hot Foot Powder.
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01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:26,360
And recently, he collected the
BMI award for the four-millionth
radio play of Black Magic Woman.
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01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,760
Peter is pursuing
his love of art and photography.
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01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,840
Peter Green continues to make music.
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01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,080
In the short span that
he was with Fleetwood Mac,
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01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,240
from when Fleetwood Mac started,
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01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,880
to when it finished -
when HE finished, May 1970,
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01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,040
it was two years and eight months.
1233
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,520
And in that
two years and eight months,
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01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,520
five hit records,
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01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,480
four hit albums,
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01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,360
big hit for Santana,
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01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:56,640
outsold the Beatles, outsold
the Rolling Stones - together...
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01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,080
You know, that is one
fantastic...guy.
1239
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,920
For my mind, he is the best
British Blues guitarist out of all.
1240
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,040
I'm not a wizard on the guitar -
I don't know the technical terms -
1241
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,840
but his guitar playing,
it fucking blows me away.
1242
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,920
Not in the same way that Hendrix...
You listen to Hendrix, and,
"Wow, that guy's a wizard."
1243
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,600
But when Peter plays his guitar,
it weeps, almost.
1244
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:23,640
I still feel that if you surround
Peter Green with the right people,
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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,720
I mean, the real right people,
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01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,880
his wings will expand again.
1247
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,760
He'll come out and play.
1248
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,120
Because it's IN him...
1249
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:37,240
Like John Lee Hooker says, "It's in
him, and it's got to come out."
1250
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:41,040
The Peter Green of the late '60s,
early '70s
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01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,400
was a sublime guitarist.
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01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:49,560
He had a lyrical quality that was
almost like liquid gold coming out.
1253
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,920
I'd always emotionally go back to
Peter when I was having problems
1254
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,960
with just drinking too much
and partying way too much -
1255
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,680
it was actually quite boring
for a lot of people,
1256
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:07,320
but without question,
"Oh, Mick's gonna...
he's on his half a bottle of brandy,
1257
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,840
"out will come
the Peter Green tapes...
1258
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,360
"And he'll sit everyone down
in his hotel room and say,
'Listen to this dude...'"
1259
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,680
You know, and that's what I did,
invariably.
1260
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,760
One of the best, if not THE best.
1261
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:25,080
That's why it's such a tragedy
that it all went where it did -
1262
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:26,720
it could have been so much more.
1263
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,320
His story and everything
is about the fact that
1264
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:37,480
he was handed something,
did not quite understand
the power of what he was handed -
1265
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:42,840
and this is ME talking, you know,
feel free to knock me on the head -
1266
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,400
and having...this bestowed on him,
1267
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:53,640
somehow, felt,
"What can I do with this?"
1268
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,440
And in truth, he never quite
found out what that was.
1269
01:26:58,440 --> 01:27:01,920
I was ever so...always hopes,
high hopes, but...
1270
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,440
..I was very dissatisfied
with what I was doing.
1271
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:08,520
It should be great or
something...
1272
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,280
But I was very...
1273
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,360
"This is never coming",
sort of thing.
1274
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,600
"Never gets here."
1275
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,120
With everyone expecting it,
it never arrives.
1276
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,720
I could out-play Sooty!
1277
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:47,520
But...that's it! Don't put Sweep
on that xylophone, whatever you do!
1278
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,040
# Need someone's hand
1279
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,360
# To lead me through the night
1280
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:06,440
# I need someone's arms
1281
01:28:06,440 --> 01:28:09,840
# To hold and squeeze me tight
1282
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,200
# When the night begins
1283
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,680
# I'm at an end
1284
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,120
# Because I need
1285
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,760
# Your love so bad
1286
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,320
# I need some lips
1287
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,800
# To feel next to mine
1288
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,920
# I need someone to stand up
1289
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,680
# And tell me when I'm lyin'
1290
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,080
# And when the lights are low
1291
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,200
# And it's time to go
1292
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,840
# That's when I need
1293
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,560
# Your love so bad
1294
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,520
# So why don't you give it up... #
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