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On the side streets of towns
and cities across the country
there is a secret world.
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A world with its own rules...
Right, push the door, mate.
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..and its own rituals.
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Only men are welcome.
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And they come here for one reason -
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to have sex...
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with strangers.
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Come on, lad. Suck me off.
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MEN MOAN
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In this film we enter
the infamous world of the gay
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sauna for the very first time...
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Shit, sorry.
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THEY LAUGH
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..meeting the men who come
here for sexual adventures...
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The reasons you get orgies
at a gay bath is
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because there is no woman
there to say no.
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..and the workers who clear
up after them...
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There's sperm everywhere.
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OK. So, I'm not touching that.
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One puts one's head there
and legs up there.
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If you'd like to
get your kit off I'll show you.
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..as we find out what really
happens in a gay sauna.
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In almost every town and city
in the UK there is a gay sauna.
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In a country where being gay
is more accepted than ever,
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the gay sauna remains a secretive
world of another era.
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Lacking signs and notices,
most people wouldn't know
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they exist,
let alone what goes on inside.
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I've got to open up today
cos our lovely James is off.
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In Nottingham, CS2 is housed
in an old warehouse.
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It remains the city's
best-kept secret.
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The weather's looking promising.
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It's, like, sauna weather.
Nice, cold and chilly.
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So they can warm their...
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their little, er...
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their little friends up
in our sauna.
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HE CHUCKLES
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Joe and partner John set up
their sauna nearly four years ago.
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Most people are regular people
who come here, but first timers,
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we give them a little
guided tour first.
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Put them at ease and show them round
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and then just really
let them get on with it.
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Downstairs the sauna looks
a bit like most health spas.
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It's got a hot tub, a dry sauna,
and showers.
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But it's upstairs
that is unique to a gay sauna.
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This is quite unusual
to be taking you up to this
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part of the sauna because we
treat this as a very private
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part of the club.
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What are these rooms called?
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Private rest rooms.
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People come
and have private sex in them.
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Inside a rest room you've got a bed.
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We provide condoms and lubes.
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We encourage safe sex.
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Down this corridor leads to...
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What's known as a sling.
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A little bit like a dungeon.
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Then there's a cine room just here.
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The appeal of this, really,
is it's cruisy.
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Generally, it's in darkness,
or very low lit in these areas
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and then this area here is
made to appear a little like...
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Public toilets.
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Public toilets, yeah. Yeah.
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It's got a very famous name.
Glory hole.
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Well, let's say, Joe, you
go in there.
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Oh, OK. Thank you.
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So Joe's suddenly decided
to pop into that one.
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I've clocked him doing that
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so I think,
"Oh, he looked interesting."
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So I'll go in.
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Hello.
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Oh, he's poking his finger through.
I wonder what that means.
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And then, "Wow, somebody else next
door!" It's very anonymous.
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You may not know...
In fact, nine times out of ten
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I don't think people do know
who's next door.
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I think that's kind of part
of the the fun of this
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type of environment.
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Like skiing, innit?
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Like skiing.
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Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, what happens from there?
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I'll leave it to your imagination
what happens in here.
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Do you have gay couples who come
here together?
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You do get couples come quite a lot,
don't you, really? Yeah.
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People who like...
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But they need to be in a total
open relationship.
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Yeah, they've got to be... Like us.
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Because it causes jealousy. Yeah.
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Together for over 30 years,
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John and Joe's relationship has
never been monogamous.
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And they find that running a sauna
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comes with plenty of fringe
benefits.
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We met a a lad and John says,
"Shall we take him back?"
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We give people nicknames that...
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And we called him Geronimo
because we were laid in the bed...
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I'd forgotten about that.
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And he'd said, "I'll just
go to the toilet."
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And when he came out of the toilet
he just took a running jump...
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Rushed from the bathroom.
..and jumped onto the bed.
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Jumped in the middle
of our double bed.
In between us and the bed...
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And the bed collapsed!
..just collapsed.
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With the sauna cleaned,
condoms stocked and towels rolled,
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the doors open every day
at 12 o'clock.
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Hello. One towel, locker 25. OK.
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Open at 8pm every night,
men from all walks of life,
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backgrounds and races
will come through the doors.
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And with a £12 entrance fee,
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business is booming
at this backstreet sauna.
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Hiya, mate. You all right?
How are you?
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Good, thanks. Are you?
I'm not bad, thank you.
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Here's your towel. Thank you.
And your key.
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If you just want to go
through your locker there, OK,
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and just get changed into your
towel. OK, thank you. Thanks.
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What do you come here for?
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Um, what do I come here for?
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Well, primarily, it would be sex.
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On arrival, all the
customers need to jump in the shower
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first before they can use
the facilities.
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It's a bit like going to the spa,
but with added extras.
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Yeah, it could be, you know,
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a little happy ending
somewhere, I suppose.
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You can do as much or as little
as you want to do in a sauna,
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that's the thing.
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So if it's, like...
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If you're in a particularly
busy sauna with loads of fit men,
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you're going to have a busy day.
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No membership is required to
enter the sauna.
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Old or young, married or single,
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once inside, customers
are free to roam around,
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pick up whoever they like,
or join in with whoever is willing.
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MEN CHATTER INDISTINCTLY
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Come on, lad, suck me off.
I'm getting hard.
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We won't leave you out, then.
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Oh, shit!
MAN MOANS AND GROANS
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That's £12, mate. Cheers.
Do you want to come through?
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I've got some miniature lubes.
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Not miniature condoms,
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but miniature lubes
for the less endowed gentleman.
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Yeah, where are we?
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Owners Joe and John like to play
the field, and they're not alone.
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Gay relationships are arguably
less monogamous than straight ones.
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But last year, gay marriage was
legalised
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and some feel that the community
is at a crossroads.
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I can do this. You go and have
a jacuzzi
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while you've got the chance.
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OK.
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Joe has decided to pop the question.
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I've got a little surprise
for John, I think.
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I'm actually going to see if
he really does want to get married
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and see what he says about that.
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So...
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What do you mean?
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Well, I'm going to get in the
jacuzzi with him and get James to
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bring a bottle of champagne and then
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ask for his hand in marriage!
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69-year-old former English
teacher Narvil
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is a regular at the sauna.
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It's my sort of... I see it
as a kind of a sport, really.
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Being a gay man,
Narvil believes it gives him
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more sexual freedom
than his straight counterparts.
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I do believe that men are
promiscuous anyway by instinct.
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They are more likely to stray
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and I often say that
one of the reasons you get
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orgies at a gay bath is because
there is no woman there to say no.
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You might say all hell breaks loose.
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Certainly a very pleasant hell
from my point of view...
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because I like sex.
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Locker 26, all right?
Thanks very much.
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Hello, John. Hello there, Narvil.
How are you today?
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I'm good, thanks.
How are you keeping?
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Oh, not too bad. Yeah.
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Push the door and come through.
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OK.
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There you go. So locker 42.
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How important is the sauna to you?
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This is where I come.
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This is where I chill out.
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This is my gay bar or my club.
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Cold day like today, you take
your clothes off and come in here.
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It's like tropical paradise.
It's really very pleasant.
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In his inner city paradise,
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Narvil heads upstairs to see
what tropical fruits he can find.
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Here, come...
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Shit, sorry!
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THEY LAUGH
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How do you indicate that you
want someone?
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Oh, well, if you lay down on a bed.
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It's not a case of smiling.
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That can put people off, you know.
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It's a case of...
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Open your legs a bit, you know.
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That should be a pretty strong hint,
shouldn't it, to anybody?
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There are rooms to satisfy
everyone's tastes and needs.
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For Narvil, it's the dark room.
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Now this is more me here.
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Here's a bench, it's very dark.
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The light's on it now
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but I can assure you,
you can't see anything.
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Let me switch the light off,
let's see what happens. Yeah.
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It's a little bit
like the glory hole in a way.
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You can't see who the
other person is
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and I, personally, find that
quite exciting.
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Shall we go somewhere else? Yes.
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Despite being a regular sauna user,
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Narvil has been in a relationship
for almost 40 years.
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But his partner never joins him
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and Narvil's hobby has become
a constant source of tension.
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CS2 in Nottingham is a place where
men meet other men for sex.
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One pump.
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The owners of this sauna,
Joe and John, first met in 1982.
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Homosexuality was still a taboo
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and many gay establishments were
often raided by the police.
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The pub was called
the Hearty Goodfellow in Nottingham
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and it was a downstairs venue.
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In those days, um, it was always
a private thing,
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it was a secret thing.
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That's when pubs
and everything was hidden
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to keep it
away from the general public.
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All gay bars used to have
"private party" on the door.
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I just saw him,
I thought, "He's a nice lad."
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I remember those words like it
was only yesterday.
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He said to me,
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"I'll come back with you,
but I'm not doing anything."
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Didn't you?
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All sweet and innocent.
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His knickers were off before
he came in the door.
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THEY LAUGH
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This is a quick way of emptying
a Jacuzzi.
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Joe may be thinking of asking
John to marry him.
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Oh, that's gone down quick.
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But after 30 years, it's still
not a conventional relationship.
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We've always sort of, er, enjoyed...
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Well, I've enjoyed... Mingling.
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..enjoyed other people's
company as well as our own.
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We've always mingled with the crowd.
Yeah, we have.
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Do you ever get jealous of
each other pulling other people?
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I would be lying
if I said, you know,
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that didn't
cause problems in the early years.
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Um, but you can meet
whoever you want.
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It's like meeting
somebody in a sauna
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and whatever you do with them,
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there's only one person
you're going home with that night,
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and that's the person you love
and you live with
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and you've done
for...for all those years.
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And it gives me a break as well.
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HE LAUGHS
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With the hot tub clean, Joe decides
now is the time to take the plunge.
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Well, you know everybody says
we're like a married couple,
248
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an old married couple? Yeah.
249
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Well, why don't we...
250
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..be an old married couple
and get married?
251
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Yeah? Yeah.
252
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What are you crying for?
253
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I'd like that. You know I...
254
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..you know I would, yeah. Oh, right.
255
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THEY LAUGH
256
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Having had sex with two men
this morning at the sauna,
257
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Narvil is back at home relaxing
with his husband Terry.
258
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Did you enjoy that, Narvil?
I did, yeah.
259
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Your music soothes me. Oh.
260
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Especially after a busy
afternoon at the sauna! You slut.
261
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Narvil has been a regular
user of the sauna,
262
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in spite of his 38-year relationship
with partner Terry.
263
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Committing yourself to sex
with the one person,
264
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even the most gorgeous person...
265
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it wouldn't suit me at all.
266
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I'd be horrified
at the thought of it.
267
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Because different people have
different talents, actually.
268
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In an orgy, you know,
in an orgy situation, you know,
269
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darkened room, of course,
270
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and I mean, I get excited
if I can't see them,
271
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if I don't know them.
272
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When I go to the baths,
I try to get other people...
273
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involved. I mean, I turn
nobody away, you know.
274
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I mean, I always think,
"The more, the merrier!"
275
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Gay saunas aren't just
a UK phenomena.
276
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They exist in cities
across the world.
277
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In his teens,
Narvil lived in the US,
278
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where he was
a local at a sauna in Detroit.
279
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It was a...
It was in a black area,
280
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so most of the men were
African-Americans, you see.
281
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And, er...and they used to say...
282
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SOUTHERN ACCENT: "Pass over the
white boy. Oh, Lordy be!" You know.
283
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And they used to actually
physically pass... I was 19 then,
284
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and they physically used to pass me
over to the middle of them all.
285
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And some of these black men were fat
286
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and they'd got fabulous tongues
and I loved it.
287
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I loved it. You know, I used
to come and come and come
288
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and I reckon about...
289
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four or five times
in a couple of hours
290
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was not unusual.
291
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Now, of course, I am 70 next year
292
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and one of my great sadnesses is
293
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that I can't do
anything like that now, you know.
294
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I mean, I go to the baths and I...
and I have to be satisfied with two.
295
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Because if I try for number three,
I'll kill myself.
296
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I mean, my heart's beating,
you know,
297
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and I know that if I die,
298
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it'll probably be there with
all those people there,
299
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and the bath attendant will be
in awful trouble, wouldn't he?
300
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Whilst Narvil
dreams of dying in the sauna,
301
00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,040
Terry can't think of
a worse way to go.
302
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Do you use the saunas?
No, I don't use the saunas.
303
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Narvil enjoys it.
304
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I'm sad that he feels
it necessary, but...
305
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,600
..that he needs...
It's like a drug.
306
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40 years ago, Terry was in a more
traditional monogamous relationship.
307
00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,720
He was married to a woman.
308
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He met Narvil
and embarked on a secret affair.
309
00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,520
I got really nasty with my wife...
310
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"What's the matter with you?"
311
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,520
And I said,
"I don't know, I don't know."
312
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I knew. I knew that I was upset
and I couldn't admit it,
313
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couldn't admit that I'd seen
these boys and, oh, you know,
314
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the desire that was there -
what could you say?
315
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Was within two months
when I met Narvil.
316
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I was high as a kite.
317
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And I couldn't be without Narvil.
318
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,280
If I wasn't with him, I was crying.
319
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,960
I wanted to be with him
all the while.
320
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,080
But that was
the beginning of my new life.
321
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,760
That was the beginning
of me coming out.
322
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,800
But I really was ready for this.
323
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,480
I found somebody and I'd just
fallen in love with him.
324
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And he was the same with me.
325
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,320
With just two weeks to
Joe and John's wedding...
326
00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,800
This one. Have you been in this one
before? No. Oh, right.
327
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,960
..Joe enlists sister Mandy
for some help.
328
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,520
So, how's the plans coming along?
329
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,120
Oh, God. I've got so much to do.
Like what?
330
00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:40,080
Do you want me to help you?
Got to order a wedding cake.
331
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,720
Are you having groom and groom
on the top, or bride and groom? No.
332
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,040
Are you... Are you the girl,
or are you the boy?
333
00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,880
THEY LAUGH
334
00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,600
Mandy has known Joe's been gay
since he was 16.
335
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,880
I fancied a bloke in Spain once.
336
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,560
Next day I woke up.
He was in his bed.
337
00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,440
He went, "Oh, he's crap."
THEY LAUGH
338
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,600
She has interesting views on Joe
and John's relationship.
339
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,640
They're dirty bastards.
340
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,520
I don't believe how
you're saying that.
341
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,120
Yeah, you are. Why are we?
Because you two... Yeah?
342
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,160
You bring the chip shop lad in,
343
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,360
the chinky-chonky takeaway lad,
everybody.
344
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,720
If you meet
someone on a Saturday night,
345
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,400
guaranteed John will have him
on a Sunday morning.
346
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,160
THEY LAUGH
347
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,240
Yeah, but men are like...
348
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,520
They just want to do the business
and go, don't they?
349
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,240
They don't want to...
Chuck the muck.
350
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,800
They don't want to have a chat
or anything like that. Yeah, I know.
351
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,080
But that's the same with
straight men and gay men.
352
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,800
It's... Yeah. Men are just...
It's in-built in them.
353
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,040
Despite frequently enjoying the
fringe benefits of owning a sauna,
354
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,840
Joe and John's desires no
longer extend to each other.
355
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,960
John gets bored with people
very quick.
356
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,080
You know, he just likes to
have his little fussy with them
357
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,120
and move on to the next.
358
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,800
Do you and John ever have sex? No!
359
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,000
Why?
360
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,880
Not even a BJ or a wank or...? No!
361
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,200
Mandy! Really?
362
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,640
I'm not a chicken any more.
He's not interested in me, is he?
363
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,960
So you've got a saggy arse?
364
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,320
What, like yours? Don't start.
365
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,800
In Nottingham, thousands of men
use CS2 every year.
366
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,480
Because it's so busy, the sauna
is staffed by bath attendants
367
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,240
who keep the place clean
and serve the punters.
368
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,480
26-year-old James has been
doing the job for six years.
369
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,960
I'll check if there is any stains
on them or blood.
370
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,960
Technically...
371
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,440
..I need to wear gloves for this.
372
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,680
You know, this ain't one
of the prettiest sights of the job.
373
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,120
They have accidents...
374
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,680
which still
makes me heave, to be fair.
375
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,600
You know, stains like that,
you know, that's sperm.
376
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,200
It could be also...something
else. It could be crap.
377
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:18,520
No, I think it's
more of a club and society here.
378
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,320
And a lot of people belong.
379
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,280
It gives people
a feeling of belonging, you know.
380
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,280
But James isn't part of the club.
381
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,840
As a straight man, he definitely
doesn't fraternise
382
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,200
with the clientele.
383
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,160
Like, why is a straight guy
working in a gay sauna?
384
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,120
It doesn't matter
that I'm gay or straight.
385
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,120
I mean, obviously people do try it,
386
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,600
but I just let them know I'm
straight, and that's basically it,
387
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,440
and then they move on.
So it's not a really big problem,
388
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,680
plus I suppose it's
kind of flattering as well.
389
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,600
Unfortunately you have to
clean it all up
390
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,240
when it's ready to be cleaned.
That's the only downfall upon it.
391
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,040
Bath attendant James may well be
an old hand at the job,
392
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,960
but it wasn't always the case.
393
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,120
Before you started to work here
what did you think
394
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,640
happened in a gay sauna?
Was it a...?
395
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,280
I didn't even know what a gay sauna
were, mate, to be honest.
396
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,440
I didn't know places
like this existed.
397
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,240
And I suppose it's really,
really broadened my horizons,
398
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,880
because I were kind of homophobic
before, you know. I were, mate.
399
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,520
And yet I actually realised that,
you know,
400
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,600
there's a lot of gay people
who are just really, really cool.
401
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320
I'd rather go out with a gay guy
than a fucking straight guy
402
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,560
that's a complete
and utter nutter knob, you know,
403
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,280
where before it would've been
the opposite way around, you know.
404
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,320
VOICES TALK OVER EACH OTHER
405
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,760
Gay saunas attract men
from all backgrounds,
406
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,560
from teachers to salesmen,
407
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,280
policemen, mechanics,
businessmen, plumbers...
408
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,680
and local politicians.
409
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,200
Hello!
410
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,960
Drinks over there, food inside.
411
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,320
Robin has been a local Tory
councillor for over 30 years.
412
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,160
First elected 1979, the same day
as Margaret Thatcher came to power.
413
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,280
So I've been around a while.
414
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,800
I'm president of the
Conservative Association
415
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,760
for three constituencies.
416
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,320
Um, uh, we're having a sort
of fundraising garden party
417
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,480
here today in my house.
418
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,120
You're going to eat
inside, are you? Oh, I must, yes.
419
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,120
The first gay saunas
opened in the swinging '60s,
420
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,920
with the legalisation
of homosexuality.
421
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,960
Robin has used them all his life,
but remembers a time
422
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,560
when doing so would put you on
the wrong side of the law.
423
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,360
I've always gone to gay saunas,
424
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,200
right from the days when gay saunas
were seen as a place
425
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,560
where the police could make
lots of arrests.
426
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,680
Um, they actually had
plain-clothes policemen
427
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,560
with no clothes on at all, which I
always thought was slightly ironic.
428
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,320
And the people running the
premises actually went to prison.
429
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,880
Yes, darling.
430
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,920
Six years ago, Robin met his
partner, Andy, in a gay sauna.
431
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,360
'He's a plumber, I'm a politician.
432
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:58,440
'We probably would have never have
met in quite the same way,
433
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,760
'if we'd been wearing our
respective work clothes.
434
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,760
'So, actually, meeting with just
a towel put us as equals.'
435
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Love is in bloom!
436
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,240
Yeah, all a question of where Cupid
shoots his arrows, I think.
437
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,200
I mean, you don't plan these things
to happen, but they just do. Yes.
438
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,000
Andy, like many users of the sauna,
kept his sexuality a secret.
439
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,480
Uh, I come out to me family
about a month ago.
440
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,680
Everybody's been really supportive.
441
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,840
Mum's taking a long
time to come round.
442
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,960
Yeah she's, uh,
she's still in shock.
443
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,360
And do you friends know that
you use gay saunas?
444
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,920
Um, if it comes up in conversation,
all well and good.
445
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,920
If they say, "That's outrageous,"
I'd ask them to justify that.
446
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,840
There's absolutely nothing new.
The Romans did it.
447
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,200
Do you know anything
about gay saunas?
448
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,840
Not really, no, to be honest.
449
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,720
I'm sure my wife doesn't.
No. No.
450
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,240
I know nothing
whatsoever about gay saunas.
451
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,400
I didn't know there were
gay saunas,
452
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,240
but it's entirely up to them.
You know, it's consenting adults.
453
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,280
And so long as I don't have to be
involved, that's fine.
454
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,920
Is it like, um, somewhere
where you go and sit and get...
455
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,680
get impurities from your skin?
456
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,760
I don't know, I don't know.
You're going to have to tell me.
457
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,200
Gay men go there to have sex.
In...? Actually in the sauna room?
458
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,040
Not the sauna. Well, yes.
459
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,960
OK, to be honest! OK.
460
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,880
THEY LAUGH
461
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,200
Despite recently tying the knot,
462
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Robin and Andy are not about
to give up the sauna.
463
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:51,640
Jacuzzis are interesting
because you get a few guys...
464
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,720
in the tub together, so things
are touching you as water currents.
465
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,400
There may be the odd hand
or a knee or a toe.
466
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,280
I stroke your ankle, you
stroke my ankle with your toe and...
467
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,680
things can progress from there.
468
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Some people think it's a bit seedy.
469
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,760
Some people think anything to do
with sex is seedy. It isn't.
470
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Nobody's doing anything
against their will.
471
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,800
Everybody's consenting.
472
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,760
What's wrong with that?
473
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,920
After a splash in the hot tub,
they couldn't wait to get upstairs.
474
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,160
Oh, very nice.
I know where my friends are.
475
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,840
Oh, that's quite nice, actually.
I quite like that.
476
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,720
HE LAUGHS
477
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,360
Through here...
478
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,320
there's the cinema...
479
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,760
..which is showing porn.
480
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,280
Relax on this padded area and either
enjoy the film or the audience,
481
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,680
whichever you find more attractive.
482
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,240
All a bit of a turn-on, of course,
even at my age.
483
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,720
ANDY LAUGHS
484
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,440
One of Robin and Andy's favourite
rooms in the sauna
485
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,440
is a little more specialist.
486
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,320
There's a sling here for people
who are into a particular fetish.
487
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,880
One puts one's head there
and legs up there,
488
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,560
an act of penetration
can take place...
489
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,120
without the resistance
of being on a bed.
490
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,280
If you'd like to
get your kit off, I'll show you.
491
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,600
Gay saunas attract men
of all backgrounds,
492
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,640
and most use it anonymously.
493
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,880
We don't know their names or
they like to keep it all secret -
494
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,000
they don't tell you where they work
or anything like that.
495
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,200
I don't know what they think
I'm going to do -
496
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,840
track them down or something.
497
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,000
Joe thinks over half
of his customers
498
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,960
are in straight relationships.
499
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,120
It's quite funny when you see them
out and about in town
500
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,600
with their missus pushing a pram.
501
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,800
They sort of, like, turn
and go the other way.
502
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,160
I don't know whether they think
503
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,880
I'm going to tell the missus
or something.
504
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,920
Where are you going?
505
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,880
Oh, what for?
506
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,000
Oh!
HE LAUGHS
507
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,520
No, I've got to be professional
in me own reception.
508
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,560
I can't do that sort of thing...
unless they're exceptional.
509
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,160
CS2's bathroom attendant James
ended up working for Joe and John
510
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,200
after they tried to pick him up
six years ago.
511
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,560
Joe and John, we met
when my cousin come out as gay.
512
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,720
And I went to go and support him.
513
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,760
I went up to him and said...
They obviously thought,
514
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,720
"You know what, we're gonna try it
with him," or something.
515
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,880
But they didn't obviously know
I was straight,
516
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,600
cos I was in a gay bar, to be fair.
517
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,520
And then basically I got a job.
518
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Being straight didn't put
26-year-old James off
519
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,240
from working at the sauna,
520
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,680
but he's kept it a secret from
his friends and family.
521
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Well, the thing is, for some reason,
I've got this massive problem
522
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,920
with telling people
that I work in a gay sauna.
523
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,440
So I tell... I mean, I'm even
worried about people overhearing me.
524
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,720
So I tell everyone I work
at a clothes shop at the moment.
525
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,280
I think people's got
the wrong idea
526
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,280
what's actually involved in a sauna,
you know what I mean.
527
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,560
I think they mainly think it's a
brothel and it's not, you know.
528
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,840
In my eyes it's just like...
It's a sauna.
529
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000
There's no rent boys or anything
530
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,280
or, you know, prostitutes
or anything like that.
531
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,920
It's different than working at
Costa Coffee, I can tell you that.
532
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,680
This is the famous clothes shop
533
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,800
that all my friends
and family think I work at.
534
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,600
We have three cinema rooms
535
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,680
which I'm now going to switch on
for our customers obviously,
536
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160
which will show adult films.
537
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Don't ask me what's on them,
because I don't tend to watch them,
538
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,080
believe it or not.
539
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,840
Before he can open,
James has to make sure
the sauna is spick and span.
540
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280
We have to clean it...continuously.
541
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,840
You know, there's nothing
worse than standing on a used condom
542
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,000
and it exploding on the floor.
543
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Oh, I can smell sperm.
544
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Uh, fuck it, is that...?
There's sperm everywhere -
545
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,000
there and there.
546
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,320
This room again has been tarnished.
547
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,320
Whilst James is manning
the sauna,
548
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Joe and John are off to celebrate
their engagement
549
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,280
with a big family lunch.
550
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,480
Everybody knows what
me and John do for a living,
551
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,280
because they've all been
and visited.
552
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,240
My dad even helped
paint most of the place.
553
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,160
What do they think about it?
554
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,560
I think they just think it's
an exclusive men-only health club.
555
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,440
Hello. Are you all right, Joe?
Yeah, mate, you?
556
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,200
What am I supposed to do with this,
Lawrence?
557
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,920
I've been left presents
like that before at the sauna.
558
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Ever been in? I have been in...
early days to help out.
559
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,280
He's not been in as a customer.
I've not been in as a customer.
560
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,840
WOMAN: Cut that bit. Clarify that
bit. Just clarify that bit.
561
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,440
What do you think about the sauna?
562
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,800
I think it's a good idea,
to be honest.
563
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,240
I mean, there's been
a load of stigma over the years,
564
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,040
but it's finishing that stigma.
565
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,160
LAUGHTER
566
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Here's...
ALL: Cheers!
567
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,800
You've been to where we work,
haven't you?
568
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,680
Oh, yes. What did you think?
Yeah, I think it's lovely.
569
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,520
..if you like that sort of thing!
570
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Who's looking after the sauna today?
571
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,520
Uh, James is there, I think.
572
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,840
Sunday's normally a mega-busy day,
573
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,920
so hopefully they're
all in there having fun.
574
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,360
The weekend is
the busiest time at the sauna.
575
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,840
On Sunday, up to 50 men
can come looking for some action.
576
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,320
We're gonna have to...
At yours, yeah?
577
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,000
Get some more lads first.
578
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,520
No, we'll get... No, Jamie.
Yeah. Who do you think I am?
579
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,640
You're a slut. I'm not. Fuck off.
580
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,480
Making me out to be something
like I'm fucking, like, a slag.
581
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,640
He is, in't he? I'm just quiet.
582
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,080
LAUGHTER
583
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,920
INDISTINCT CONVERSATION
584
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,120
It's nice, this.
585
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,840
MAN MOANS
586
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Some vino? Please.
587
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,800
Get pissed?
LAUGHTER
588
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,640
Do you get many straight people
coming to the sauna?
589
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Yeah, we get plenty of
so-called straights.
590
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,520
I would say probably over half,
if they're honest,
591
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,080
are, uh, secret.
592
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Really? That high? Yeah.
593
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
I can't believe that.
That's so many. That is high.
594
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,080
We had one lad who'd got
a tracker on his mobile and he said,
595
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,480
"Oh, me missus knows where I am."
596
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,000
Did she come?
597
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,840
She turned up. She was outside.
No!
598
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,080
Yeah.
599
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,800
He's going, "Have you got
a back entrance, cos she's outside"?
600
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,480
LAUGHTER
601
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,960
So now I'm putting the lights on
to reveal what shit has been left.
602
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,800
It's like magic,
but a terrible version of it.
603
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,480
Someone's had a slight accident.
604
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Looks like faeces.
605
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,920
So now I've got to wipe all that.
606
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,720
Great, eh?
607
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Oh, you fucker.
608
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,160
HE LAUGHS
609
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Right, OK.
610
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:50,760
So funny...
611
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,520
It's got a fucking condom on
and everything.
612
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,560
I'm not touching that.
613
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,400
Stuff like that happens
all the time, though.
614
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,120
MUSIC PLAYS
615
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,960
Ole!
616
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,800
Narvil and his partner Terry
had a civil partnership in 2004,
617
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,480
before gay marriage was legal.
618
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,680
It didn't change their relationship.
619
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,640
To Terry's dismay, Narvil still
visits the sauna every week.
620
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,200
Right, Terry.
I'll see you later, OK?
621
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Oh, right. Where are you going?
Oh, you know where I'm going.
622
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,320
Bye-bye, then, darling.
Have a nice... Have a nice time.
623
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,840
Thank you very much. Give my regards
to Guy and Terry and Thomas.
624
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,440
Yeah, yeah. So you know some
of the people that...?
625
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,320
You talk about them often enough.
626
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Well, of course I have to
talk about them, yeah.
627
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Anyway, see you later, then.
About half-three would it be?
628
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Something like that, yeah.
OK. OK, bye.
629
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,240
Bye-bye, darling. Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
630
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,920
Better see him off, I suppose.
631
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,560
Bye!
632
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,480
He's gone now.
633
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,800
Oh, ho, start the day now on my own.
634
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:22,400
Terry would have preferred
somebody who would be faithful.
635
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,920
But we put up with each other.
636
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,920
You know I have been asked,
637
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,920
"Do you love Terry?"
638
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,280
And the answer is yes,
639
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,440
and he loves me.
640
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,920
With Narvil looking forward
to some action in the sauna,
641
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,240
Terry takes a trip down memory lane.
642
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:50,720
This River Garden now...
It used to be a private tea shop.
643
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,280
And in 1976,
when I met Narvil,
644
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,280
that was when we had our first meal
together in there.
645
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,280
And it... Oh, it was so romantic.
646
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,360
It were fantastic.
647
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Hello. Hello, John.
How are you, Narvil? All right?
648
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Not too bad. Here again.
Yeah, I know. Can't keep away.
649
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,320
You can't, can you, these days?
There you go, locker 36.
650
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,560
36. All right, Narvil.
You know where you're going?
651
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,640
I find it works better for me
if I get in early.
652
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,200
To be honest...
653
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,160
I will be honest.
Because the clientele...early
654
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,880
tend to be older men.
655
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,000
And that works out better for me,
not looking for...
656
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
I don't come here looking for a
husband. There's a husband at home.
657
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,960
Can gay men not be monogamous?
658
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,280
There are monogamous gay couples, of
course, and I say good luck to them.
659
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,560
I think it's nice if they can equal
660
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,000
or get near to
the heterosexual model.
661
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,880
But that's pretty rare.
662
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,240
Shower.
663
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,480
To cope with Narvil's infidelity,
Terry has set some ground rules.
664
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,560
You don't bring anyone home for sex.
665
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,880
HE LAUGHS
666
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,000
That's a rule.
667
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,920
That...that causes distress
and so that does not happen.
668
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,240
If he does try to enlarge on that,
669
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,000
I will say, "No details, thank you."
670
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,240
Upstairs now. I've had steam,
I've had sauna,
671
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,480
and now it's a case of going...
to ascend.
672
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,320
I know there are lots of people
that... And it's all sex.
673
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,840
And I just think,
"How shallow that is!"
674
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,080
I think to do it that often,
675
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,720
there's nothing else in your life,
you know.
676
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,520
You've got to... You've got
a poor life.
677
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,000
I do think that you still love
that one person.
678
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,240
I don't think you can love
everybody. No.
679
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,800
But you can have sex with everybody.
Yeah.
680
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,880
I suppose some people would say
that's having your cake
and eating it.
681
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,840
Sometimes...
682
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,040
I just wish he didn't go there.
683
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,720
But the sex side, it's irrelevant.
684
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,160
Anybody can have sex.
It's over in seconds.
685
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,320
I like things that last.
686
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,800
It's why I take a load of time
eating my meal.
687
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400
I always judge people,
their sexual acts,
688
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,640
the way they have sex, by the
quickness they eat their meal!
689
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,440
You were quick, weren't you?
690
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,680
That was very nice today, yes.
691
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Yes, I quite enjoyed it, yes.
692
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,000
I...
693
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,400
I'm a little bit lighter,
which is a good thing.
694
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Thanks a lot, then. See ya.
Bye, then, bye.
695
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,840
HE HUMS
696
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,160
Joe is finishing on the late shift.
697
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,600
That's it for another day.
698
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,760
Tomorrow, him and partner John
will be getting married.
699
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,280
Hello, fiance!
700
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,080
JOE LAUGHS
701
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,880
You won't be able to say that
tomorrow.
702
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,040
I know. Come on, then, come in.
703
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,320
Are you looking forward to
the big day, Joey?
704
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,280
Yeah.
I am, I'm telling you.
705
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,840
JOE SIGHS
706
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Tomorrow is the most important day
of our lives.
707
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,800
Well, it is mine anyway.
It's the end of an era.
708
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,040
And the beginning of a new era.
It's the end of an era.
709
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,440
You're not gonna be young, free
and single any more.
710
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,680
I won't be young, free and single
any more?
711
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Well, you're not gonna be young
anyway!
712
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,280
Are you excited?
713
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Um, yeah. Just think, next time
we come here we'll be married.
714
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,360
Yeah.
715
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,760
Just like most of our customers!
716
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,320
THEY LAUGH
717
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Stop feeling me bum!
718
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,000
THEY LAUGH
719
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,880
It's date night
for Narvil and Terry.
720
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,600
So what time are we leaving, Narvil?
721
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Well, I think we should go
at about 20 to.
722
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,440
We always go to the Durham Ox
tonight, don't we?
723
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Wednesday night is Durham Ox night.
724
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,320
It happens every Wednesday.
725
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,000
That's me. Am I all right?
Yeah, you look great. Yeah.
726
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
You look OK, yeah.
All right. Get gone.
727
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,160
OK.
728
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,560
We'd better back out now, hadn't we?
729
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,440
Right, get on with it.
730
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,000
Go on, go on, go on, go on, go on.
731
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,720
All right, nothing coming up.
732
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,080
So we need to be facing down,
don't we?
733
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Yes, yeah, that's lovely. Thank you.
734
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,440
Ooh, lovely.
735
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,120
Despite Narvil being
a regular sauna user,
736
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,880
it's a source of conflict
between him and Terry.
737
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,440
It's like a sport.
738
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,400
It'd be like I went to play football
or something like that.
739
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,080
When he comes back,
I can tell if he's won or not.
740
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,320
Definitely.
741
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,240
I look at him and say, "Definitely.
That was a draw today. Oh, OK.
742
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,040
"Not so good, eh? OK."
743
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,080
Terry made a very poignant
statement.
744
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,120
It wasn't long ago he said this.
745
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,160
He said, "You never made love
in your life."
746
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,320
That did hit home.
747
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,680
You know, I think there may be
something in that.
748
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,200
With the background I've had,
I was...
749
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,760
Most people would say... I say used
but most people say abused
750
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,760
in a paedophile circle.
I was only 12 years old.
751
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,960
So that was very damaging,
that experience.
752
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,680
I suppose it has an effect on you.
753
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,080
There's a lot which
binds us together.
754
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,800
I believe I love Terry.
755
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,280
And, in that sense, I could
almost say I've been faithful
756
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,720
in that I haven't loved
anybody else.
757
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,280
I... I love Terry.
758
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,680
I love you.
759
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,800
Well, give me a kiss, then.
All right.
760
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,400
After 30 years together,
761
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,400
the big day has finally arrived
for Joe and John.
762
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,640
God, even this feels tighter now!
763
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,480
You know you've never
had to put a suit on.
764
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Oh, James, just... Stop being
stupid. Get your shirt on!
765
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,720
This is it, eh?
766
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,440
How are you feeling, Joe and John.
767
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,760
I'm off my face on diazepam
at the moment so I'm fine!
768
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,440
And Joe's pissed, probably!
I haven't had a drink!
769
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560
He says he hasn't.
770
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,200
My God, have I put weight on
since I tried these trousers on?
771
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,480
It's only a couple of days!
772
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,440
Wow, there you go.
773
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,120
And we are gathered here today
774
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,400
to witness the marriage
of John and Joe.
775
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,520
I know of no legal reason
776
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,440
why I, John Gains,
777
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,000
may not be joined in marriage.
778
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,920
To Joseph Aaron Core.
779
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,320
Place the ring on his finger.
780
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,640
I promise to give you my love
and friendship.
781
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,480
These promises I make to you.
782
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,320
For the rest of my life.
783
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,280
I am very pleased to announce
784
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,280
that you are now lawfully joined
together as husband and husband.
785
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,000
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
786
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,840
HE SOBS
787
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Calm down, now. Don't be...
788
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,880
You all right? Yeah.
789
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,840
Supposed to be the greatest
day of our lives and he's crying!
790
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,960
Follow the jizz.
791
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
There you go. Good as new.
792
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,920
I'm just going to do
a quick room check.
793
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,360
I think somebody sort of got
a bit overexcited on here.
794
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,760
Probably met up with
the man of their dreams
795
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,440
and now I've cleaned away
all the evidence.
796
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Oh, hang on.
797
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,760
I missed a bit.
798
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,680
You notice there's no scally boys
around today so...
799
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,920
I'd probably be spending a bit more
time up here if there was
800
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,040
but don't tell Joe I said that.
801
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Joe, do you there'll always
be a need for saunas?
802
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Yeah. There'll always be a need.
803
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,800
Won't there? We'll always be here
for them if that's what they want,
804
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,440
to get off with each other.
805
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,120
Yep. To get off with them.
806
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,880
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