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JORDAN KLEPPER: For the last eight years,

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I've been a tourist in the MAGA-verse.

And after attending dozens of rallies,

talking to hundreds, maybe thousands, of MAGA loyalists,

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I'm sick and tired of doing this alone.

So now I'm bringing along some friends

and traveling to three swing states

to help me see this madness from a fresh perspective,

and maybe, for one last time, rally together.

[energetic music]

# #

First off, Detroit, Michigan, where I've invited Jeremy O.

Harris the acclaimed actor and playwright, whose

hit Broadway show, Slave Play, received

a record 12 Tony nominations.

Who better to help me understand the music, dancing,

and rambling monologues that make Trump

rallies political theater?

I'm wondering what your expectations, as somebody

who understands theater--

what your expectations of a Donald Trump

theatrical performance might be?

I think his theater was much better first go around--

Mm-hmm.

No one knew where it was going to go.

Mm-hmm.

And he still has that same verve of like a showman.

Mm-hmm.

But the lines are stale now.

It feels like the show hasn't evolved

over the last eight years.

No, it's like people going to see Chicago,

who've seen it 15,000 times.

Like, they know it's not going to change

just because, you know, a new Real Housewife is in it.

Mm-hmm.

But like-- but they-- but they--

they kind of love the dances, even if everyone's a little

more tired.

JORDAN KLEPPER: So does the show still have legs?

I have plays on Broadway, so I think about, like,

the sort of-- like, how taxing it is for any performer to be

in a show for a long time.

Mm-hmm.

Does it-- do you feel the fatigue from him or anyone

else that are coming out?

Or, do you feel like it feels the same--

I do feel the-- since Butler he has--

I think he's calmed down a lot.

I think it's a good thing.

I think he need to, you know, cut back a little bit.

# I went to the doctor #

# And guess what he told me #

You see what Trump is doing now, just

playing music and swaying?

[rock music]

Is he trying to workshop a jukebox musical here?

- That's experimental theater. - Oh.

Yeah.

And that is one of the things that keeps him interesting.

I was going to say, because jukebox musicals feels

like it's low-hanging fruit.

That was like something more akin to

like a Richard Maxwell performance.

And that's deep downtown New York theater.

Y.M.C.A. #

What should somebody who has never seen The Trump Show

expect?

He just tells it like it is.

Tells it like it is.

Do you know Shakespeare at all?

I follow him a little bit.

OK.

Is he more of a Hamlet or a Macbeth or like, a King Lear?

If you had to choose.

King Leader.

Does King Lear-- does he want to fuck

his daughters in King Lear?

He doesn't want to fuck his daughters,

but he's very close to them.

And Trump is not a Hamlet.

No, he's not a Hamlet.

Too much introspection with Hamlet.

- Yeah. - Although, I will say this.

Macbeth is interesting.

Melania, more of a Lady Macbeth.

Yes, I mean, I think Melania probably

says unsex me, unsex me a lot.

[vocalizing]

JORDAN KLEPPER: But it's not just the performances.

It's also his choice of venue.

A week ago, Trump dog Detroit.

He said if Kamala gets in office,

every city's going to look like Detroit pejoratively.

Yeah.

How do you think that will resonate here?

- I think they'll love it. - Yeah.

I think it's like when Matt Rife makes fun of your wife.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's like-- [laughs] I mean, not

for me, but for that audience.

Right?

Someone who wants, like to be negged.

That-- like, it's a cuck audience?

Yeah, it's a cuck audience.

It's a real cuck audience. [laughter]

Because I haven't thought about it that way,

but that makes a lot of fucking sense.

So what do these cucks think of Trump attacking their city?

Our whole country will end up being like Detroit

if she's your president.

I understand what Trump said.

With that comment, he's looking at the blight

of the houses that have not been torn down

or anything like that, the abandoned factories that have

yet to have been cleaned up.

Why didn't he say that?

Donald Trump at this age-- at his age,

he's had the eloquent speaking sessions

of his life and all that. - You're saying he--

He doesn't give a fuck right now.

We already-- we're past prime eloquence Donald Trump.

Right, yeah.

We're in like baddie--

Detroit bad, me good, vote now, vote January.

Oops, November.

You ever seen--

The Birth of a Nation.

No, no, no, no.

The really old guy.

Gran Torino movie. Clint Eastwood.

Yeah.

Think about the way that Clint

Eastwood spoke in that movie.

He's an old man.

Wait, that's the racist guy.

I wouldn't say he was racist.

There's a Mexican, a Jew and a colored guy go into a bar.

I don't think he'd like me on his lawn.

JORDAN KLEPPER: If they can't spot this racism,

can they spot any racism?

Trump just said today that all of the stuff about America

being built on the back of slaves of this

being stolen land, if that's in a textbook, he's taking it out.

- OK. - Yeah.

I wrote a play called Slave Play.

And I can't teach my own play in parts of Virginia

and in parts of Florida because of Republican

like lies around how our country was founded.

I can kind of see why they don't want

that taught in the schools.

Why?

Maybe the history should be taught

at home, maybe because it makes people so divisive.

But what history isn't divisive?

Like every history--

Correct.

We do not teach Jewish history in the classroom.

Yes, we did.

What do we teach?

The Holocaust.

I didn't learn that.

It's weird to ask this, but I'm at a Trump rally.

Holocaust, real or fake?

I'm pretty sure it was real.

Landing on the moon, real or fake?

It was such a perfect mission, I'm skeptical.

Interesting.

JORDAN KLEPPER: OK.

A little out there, but at least she has an open mind.

What you do in your bedroom or who you--

or who you choose to have sex in front

of or who you choose to have sex with is your business.

Free R. Kelly.

JORDAN KLEPPER: Perhaps too open.

That was-- I didn't-- you know--

you said-- you know what?

You got that Trump weave going on.

We were all the way over here and then we got an "R.

Kelly" come in there.

You have really been studying.

I did not have R. Kelly truth on the bingo card.

It is something interesting because it's

like the fans of anything tell you

a lot about the psyche of the person,

like that they're standing, right?

I feel-- like I actually feel like worried for America.

JORDAN KLEPPER: And there's plenty to be worried about.

In the wake of the Dobbs decision

and JD Vance's crusade against childless cat ladies,

critics fear a second Trump term would be a Handmaid's Tale

dystopia, although Trump says he'll be great for the ladies.

As president, I have to be your protector.

You will no longer be abandoned, lonely or scared.

You will no longer be thinking about abortion.

JORDAN KLEPPER: So next up, Latrobe, Pennsylvania.

I figured I'd bring some friends who don't buy

the whole protector narrative.

Corinne Fisher and Krystyna Hutchinson,

host of the sex positive anti-slut shaming

podcast Guys We Fucked.

People know you.

Guys We Fucked is your podcast. - Yes.

Yeah.

Even as I said it out loud, I got embarrassed

as I got to the last word. - It's OK.

That makes me feel old.

Have you ever had sex, Jordan?

I don't want to talk about this.

[laughter]

JORDAN KLEPPER: OK, let's talk about anything else,

like merchandise.

What t-shirts are catching your eyes?

I mean, miss me bitch.

- Miss me bitch is great. - Oh, OK.

This is what I want that. - What?

The floaty? - How much is this?

Daddy's home.

She's not a hoe.

I'm a hoe.

Oh, OK.

Hoe recognize hoe.

It's not her. - Not her.

Nah.

JORDAN KLEPPER: Corinne, Krystyna, Kevin

seem to be fitting in, so I decided

to introduce them to some diehard Trump roadies

and really get into the issues.

Oh, my god, a pumpkin.

This is a Grateful Dead pumpkin?

Trumpkin.

That's a Trumpkin.

A Trumpkin, of course it is.

- You guys Deadheads too? - I am, yes.

Of course.

I was born dead.

You were born dead.

Me too, girl.

Let me tell you, I feel close to death

every time I come out here. - Yeah.

[laughter]

I was curious what news sources you guys follow

and which ones you do trust.

I ask questions from my Lord above.

Yeah.

And honestly, I get a lot of stuff from X.

So God and Twitter.

JORDAN KLEPPER: They were welcome at the tailgate.

But how welcoming is a party that also says this?

We're effectively run in this country

by a bunch of childless cat ladies

who are miserable at their own lives and the choices

that they've made.

You go to the polls in this country as a parent,

you should have more of an ability

to speak your voice in our democratic republic

than people who don't have kids.

JD Vance often says if you don't have kids,

you don't have a stake in the future.

- Right. - Did you have kids?

Yes.

Does that make your voice more important than people

who don't have kids? - Yes.

- It does? - Yes.

- Should you get two votes? - Yes.

- Wow. - Oh, wow.

Yeah. Wow.

What do you think of his childless cat lady comments?

I know some childless cat ladies, so--

What do you think of them?

I think he's--

I think he's pretty on. - For abortion?

Do you have any children?

How old are you?

You're a childless 42-year-old man.

Should you have less of a say?

I mean, I'm a veteran.

I was--

What if it was the childless woman was a veteran?

What I'm trying to get at is--

I mean--

You got me here thinking here.

I love that.

JORDAN KLEPPER: But there's another issue

MAGA refuses to rethink.

What do you feel about women's rights,

like a woman's right to choose what to do with her body?

The abortion issue, that's a sticky issue for people.

I am pro-life.

Pro-life, pro-life, pro-life, pro-life.

It should not be a form of birth control.

I've never met a woman that uses abortion as birth control.

I've seen a lot on TV.

I've seen a lot in the streets when I'm downtown working.

Abortions on the streets?

Oh, gosh, no.

But that's not happening, because that's murder.

Yeah. Have you seen articles on that?

Yeah, I did read something this past summer,

and I wish I could cite the source.

Yeah, me too.

The past remarks that Trump has made about women--

grab them by the pussy, you could do whatever you want.

Like, do those bother you?

Do those affect you at all?

- I don't believe that. - It doesn't bother me.

Just want to check.

Donald Trump was accused of numerous counts

of sexual assault. Does that change how you feel about him

as-- - It does not.

No.

I think if we look at the women President Trump has been

married to, they're pretty glamorous and pretty gorgeous

women. - Mm-hmm.

So the E. Jean Carroll case, I'm thinking that's probably--

it didn't happen.

She wasn't hot enough to get raped?

[chuckles] I don't think she was a very attractive person.

And I really don't believe the whole story.

JORDAN KLEPPER: The conversation with that lady,

what were your thoughts? - I just--

It was a bit of a roller coaster for me.

The sexual assault thing--

Yeah.

Like the going-- going down the route of E. Jean Carroll

is not attractive enough--

You know, she's unattractive and doesn't

get attention from men.

And so this was the only route that she could take.

Right.

As we all know, if you're a-- you know,

a 6, you have to accuse the president of raping you.

Yeah. And be on camera.

Classic woman.

Classic.

You found us out.

Girl math, baby.

JORDAN KLEPPER: Girl math which will

no longer exist when Trump shuts down

the Department of Education.

JORDAN KLEPPER: Next stop, Reno, Nevada,

where Trump is bringing his tough on crime

message to a state that has legalized

activities most of the country still considers crimes.

So I brought the only cop who would

talk to me, a pretend one, Actor Thomas Lennon, a.k.a.

Lieutenant Jim Dangle from Reno 911!

Oh.

I assume you spend a lot, a lot, a lot of time here.

This is my third day here ever.

OK.

What do you think Lieutenant Dangle

would think of a MAGA event?

The great thing about Dangle is

I think he's something that America

is sorely lacking right now.

He really does reach across both sides of the aisle.

He does reach-arounds across both sides of the aisle,

I think.

JORDAN KLEPPER: That sounds like someone

I'd like on my side today.

Jordan, you smell that?

What is it?

Bulk ammo.

That's one of the great Nevada smells.

[upbeat music]

We can try a cowboy hat.

Oh, I wish it didn't fit like a glove.

When he does one of these--

When he gets this going.

The weird little jerk off thing.

Have you been to a MAGA event before?

I have not. This is my first one.

What are your expectations?

Well, I would like to see our next president, of course,

be Trump.

So not too high of expectations.

But I would like to see America--

Not too high of expectations.

Bend all the rallies Trump's had here,

and I would have been in Washington, DC.

We attended four rallies up till then.

If we could have made it, we would have been there too.

- Are we talking Jan 6? - Yeah.

OK.

You regret not being what?

You wish you had been.

Probably would have been in jail right now.

Would have got yourself just a little podium or a little

piece of bric-a-brac?

Not a podium, per se.

You would have gotten something, you know?

Well.

I wasn't trying to entrap you there.

If I got in on January 6th and hear me out,

here's my version of this.

If I get in, which I do because I'm little, I'm fast

and get them through the window,

I get a hold of Boebert, and I just King

Kong her right out of there.

See, if I go in on Jan 6, I'm looking

for Hawley, Josh Hawley.

Because that guy knows all the exits.

He's fast. He's fast.

You're quick. You're quick.

You're doing this.

So you're following Hawley all the way in, right?

You're following Hawley.

And you know, he knows how to get in, how to get out.

He knows where people are hiding.

Yeah. - He's fast, quick.

And he's tall, too.

So any shrapnel you know?

It's flying by, but I'm following him all the way.

He's booking.

Oh here's the merch now.

You got to see the merch.

Let's do it.

Do you think he could get a pee stream

going that hard and that high?

I hope so.

I call bullshit.

That's a stiletto.

Yeah.

Perfect for, like, the niece or the nephew

who needs a stiletto.

Yeah, that's a switchblade.

And it's got a brass knuckles, basically, yeah?

There's a rescue knife and seatbelt cutter.

Seatbelt cutter.

There's a weird detail, which is once you have both of these,

you can have all the merch.

You know what I mean?

[laughs] Not yours.

Not yours.

Some people are armed. Some people.

OK.

I'm shocked people have an issue with you

selling this stuff near them.

JORDAN KLEPPER: With Officer Dangle,

there were confessions even I had never heard before.

I haven't heard--

I haven't heard the time traveler one.

- It tracks. - It does.

So he came back in time. - It tracks 100%.

You know what I mean?

He'd already been there once before.

If that's the case, you must know

that he won because he decided to run for president again.

I think he knows he's going to win this time.

That's why he's so angry about the idea,

like, if I don't win, it's because you guys cheated.

Because I'm a time traveler. I've seen it all.

Is this the kind of stuff you're usually

hearing when you're ready? - Oh, yes.

We can't be the most far out theory of the day.

No, you're not.

No.

How much for the Kamala toilet paper?

Controlling the weather.

We've been doing that since Vietnam War that I know of.

Hell, what's new?

100%.

See this weather here?

See where this is going?

You know who that's coming from?

Yeah.

Guess who lives in that direction?

Yeah.

Paul Pelosi.

Yeah.

The Democrats are controlling the weather?

The government.

So if Trump gets in office, he'll

have control over the weather.

Well, they will pass on the torch, I assume.

So the weather-- the weather control is more of a machine,

less of like a spell.

It--

Yeah.

It can detour things from happening.

JORDAN KLEPPER: Yes, the government is all powerful,

but also not powerful enough.

Which is why Trump recently called

for police to have a little purge

to deal with rising crime.

One rough hour, and I mean real rough,

and it will end immediately.

You support a cop purge?

- I actually do. - Yeah?

- Of course you do. - Yeah.

Hey, litterbugs.

[vocalizing]

Yeah.

That's the first one I'm getting on cop purge day.

- OK. - Litterbugs.

Yeah. [vocalizing]

Yeah.

You'd be supportive of like, cops and vigilantes taking--

- Yes. - Taking up that purge hour?

Yes.

It's the running of the bulls.

But the tourists who have come to run

are all the pedophiles and litterbugs and all this stuff

we have in this country?

Get them the hell outta here.

Get them in front of the bulls.

OK.

Purge.

Purge.

You're a pedophile?

Pedophile purge.

One hour.

It's the running of the pedophiles and the litterbugs.

Sign up.

Sign up.

You're sort of pitching in unconstitutional rumspringa.

Rumspringa!

I just want our nation back.

100%. 100%.

What's the thing about our nation that you hate,

that just hate the most?

Well, that's hard.

I know.

There's a lot of things I hate.

Running-- running of the bulls.

Purge it!

Purge it!

Purge it!

JORDAN KLEPPER: Litterbugs, get your affairs in.

[triumphant music]

JORDAN KLEPPER: So far, I'd taken my friends to three Trump

rallies and it's been eye opening for them to see

what makes MAGA world tick.

But I've noticed that Trump supporters simply

don't believe that there's any enthusiasm on the other side.

Perhaps, it was time for a cultural exchange

program in Flint, Michigan.

And who better to bring than MAGA

Edward, who I've gotten to over the last five years at rallies.

He's sort of like your MAGA uncle

who is always about to say something to ruin Thanksgiving.

Edward, good to see you, sir.

It's always great to see you.

You've been to a few rallies.

I've been to 93 rallies with Donald Trump.

And how many with Kamala Harris?

Zero. This is number one.

What are you expecting today at a Kamala Harris rally?

I expect to see the paid actors who

pretend to be her supporters.

JORDAN KLEPPER: Lovely.

Let's see what lines these actors have been fed.

You know I can-- what?

It's a free country.

I will say, I invited him here.

I wanted to see what somebody who'd

been in the Trump movement thought

of the Kamala Harris movement.

How much are you getting paid to be here?

Not enough. I'm not getting paid anything.

So--

You were one of the first in line.

Yeah. Got here at 9:15 AM.

Woke up at 6:00, actually, to get here this morning.

- Don't get cocky. - I'm sorry.

Don't get cocky.

What time do you usually get in line?

At least 24 hours in advance in a Trump rally,

if you want to go to one.

If you get there by 9 o'clock, you're not going to get in.

There'll be 10,000 people waiting by.

And 5,000 people left 20 minutes

after he starts talking. - No, they don't.

Oh, oh!

No, no, no, they don't.

People do not leave the Trump rallies.

The t-shirt bugs me.

I got plenty of gay friends and even trans friends too.

- You don't. - Yes, I do.

If you have a problem with a shirt, you're not their friend.

I am not for imposing anything.

But I think there's a rush to like the treatment

without being sure it's right.

Do you know what we have to go

through to get any kind of like, treatment,

as you call it? Like--

It used to be--

Doctors, psychologists, endocrinologists.

What do you think-- what do you think

of the trans species movement?

In one of the grade schools, we had

a teacher who identified as a cat

and several of her students.

Oh, my god.

Oh, come on, you know--

You're so far down the propaganda train.

You know that's not a real story, Edward.

You know.

I just want to thank you for the conversation.

Thank you, too.

And just-- it's my kid, not your kid.

[upbeat music]

How did you feel that interaction

when somebody come over having that kind of conversation?

Do you feel like-- - Really well.

- You feel that's helpful? - That's right.

Yeah?

I think that's what we need more dialogue.

JORDAN KLEPPER: It was time to go inside.

But first, Edward had to blend in.

I got a NPR tote bag.

Yeah, I got a friend of mine that works

for NPR from high school.

He's a total commie.

Let's see how this looks on your shoulder.

Sure. I could do the NPR.

You can wear a Friend of the Pod hat.

Friend of the Pod? The Pod?

Do you know Pod Saves America?

Enlighten me.

This is the podcast that progressives

listen to feel smart about the things they already believe.

This looks pretty progressive, but maybe just to be safe,

could you just hold up the Subaru key fob

as you walk around?

Nobody will bother you then.

[upbeat music, cheering]

# #

- You having fun? - Oh, yeah.

Of course I am.

# #

Yeah.

There's an energy here that feels like a Michigan game.

That's right.

Only at Michigan.

Michigan State game, whatever you want to call it.

# #

I forgot to tell you a tradition liberals do before

Kamala comes out, we grab hands and we

all begin to sing "Closer to Fine" by the Indigo Girls.

Hold my hand.

Ready?

OK.

Oh, lord.

All right, yeah, yeah.

[cheers, applause]

Well here we go.

[cheers, applause]

[cheers, applause]

All right, Edward. How was that?

It seemed like you had fun.

Well, it was a unique and original experience.

It's kind of like climbing Mount Everest.

It can be painful, but you can say, I did it.

You did it.

You went to a rally.

You weren't inspired to storm the Capitol

and take a dump on Pelosi's desk.

No, no, no, I wouldn't do those things.

I didn't do that when I was there on January 6.

Ah, no.

JORDAN KLEPPER: I give him credit for coming.

It's not easy, especially if you

think everyone is faking it.

And so Edward the debt collector from New Jersey

went back into the MAGA-verse, where five days

later, he magically re-emerged as a firefighter from Scranton.

JORDAN KLEPPER: I've been doing this dance for a long time.

And as we approach the election,

there's a real question about what comes next,

not only for me, which is important,

but also for whatever this is.

Are we doing real talk here?

Yeah.

Everybody seemed a little sleepy.

I just wonder, it's been a long run for him.

This has been-- this is not a sprint.

For some, it feels like it's no longer a novelty.

It may be an obligation.

Exactly.

I don't even know what they think they're supporting.

I think they just want to show up

to be the loudest and the proudest

because for them, their presence

is evidence of its popularity.

This would be nothing, but their presence

proves that it is something, so they better show up.

Otherwise, what the fuck are we doing with our lives?

In other words, they're going through the motions.

But the silly pomp and circumstance

hides a darkness on stage.

Whether or not that matters, we'll find out soon.

But if the show does go on, at least I won't

have to do it alone anymore.

You're going to come to another?

I got what I needed. Yeah.

One and done.

Do you want to come to Pennsylvania with me?

Not today.

So are you going to come with me to the next one, Harrisburg?

Or he might-- he might be somewhere in Florida

or Georgia or Atlanta?

I got to admit, it was fun.

Yes, I would do it again.

JORDAN KLEPPER: Of course you would.

But maybe I should go home to my family.

Fuck, Edward, you have my keys.

[energetic music]

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