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(TRADITIONAL IRISH MARCH
ON UILLEANN PIPES AND GUITAR PLAYS)
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(TRADITIONAL IRISH TUNE
CONTINUES PLAYING)
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(TRAFFIC HUM)
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(TRADITIONAL IRISH TUNE
CONTINUES PLAYING)
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(MUSIC ENDS)
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(TRADITIONAL IRISH REEL FADES IN)
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(REEL REACHES FULL VOLUME)
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(AUDIENCE MEMBER WHOOS)
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(REEL CONTINUES PLAYING)
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(MUSIC ENDS, AUDIENCE MEMBER WHOOS,
APPLAUSE)
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Our mutual friend
described this place.
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I said, "What do you think?
You know, are you going to miss it?"
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And he said,
"Ah, it was just perfect."
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"It was just perfect."
(TRAM PASSES)
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(GULL CRIES)
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SEAN: I think I fell in love
with Dublin
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when I started coming in here.
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It was a place where musicians
were welcome but the...
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the musicians felt welcome.
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Yeah.
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And that they could come in here
and just play
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and listen to other musicians
without any pressure to perform
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or anything like that.
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You see the best musicians
in the country, in the world,
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coming in here, and not playing
at all, just listening, you know?
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BRENDAN: Yeah.
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And, you know, it was just, just...
such a privilege.
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And, you know, for people like, who
are not musicians, who love music,
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to be sitting beside
the best there is.
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Yeah.
SEAN: You know, just...
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what a privilege.
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Aw, now, it's outstanding.
Well, you DO play music.
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I remember at some stage,
you used to be sitting in here
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and we'd be coaxing you.
Yeah!
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And your modus operandi was,
kind of, every so often,
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you'd kinda just...
the hand would kinda slip in
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as if you're gonna take out a little
Derringer and shoot somebody, like!
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And next thing this whistle would
come up and hit your thing there
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and you'd be playing down this way.
And you have more music
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in your little finger
than half the pub has in their...
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SEAN: Yeah... It was just a...
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..a very humbling place to be.
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And I would imagine maybe
the same for musicians as well.
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And there was
an unspoken etiquette, you know?
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Don't get in the way
of the session, you know.
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Like, it was just an exercise in...
I don't know...
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BRENDAN: Courtesy.
Yeah.
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But it was very funny
listening to Martin
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because I asked him,
"How did you deal with that?"
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And he said, "You know..." he said,
"there was a fella in here now
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and he was beating the drum very,
you know...
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so I just went down to him
and I said, 'Eh...
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listen, would you put that away?
You're wrecking me head'!
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(LAUGHTER)
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He "suggested", you know?!
SEAN: He hinted!
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He hinted, yeah!
(POLKA PLAYING, LAUGHTER)
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(FEET TAPPING TO TEMPO
OF TRADITIONAL POLKA PLAYING)
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(MUSIC ENDS, APPLAUSE)
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(DANCER WHOOPS)
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At home, if there was a session,
it was always the one.
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There'd be music, and there'd be
dancing and there'd be singing,
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and there'd be storytelling. It was
like a four-legged pot, like.
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You had the whole thing.
Whereas they came up here,
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there was the Goilin and there was
dancing maybe in the Teachers' Club
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- or in the Pipers' Club -
and sessions and such a thing.
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But I think there was a kind
of a melting pot of them here.
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(A CAPPELLA)
# Come all ye broken-hearted ones
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# and listen to my lay
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# About a lovely damsel
as fair as this blest May
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# Who's caused much tears and sorrow
and grief and heartfelt woe
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# It's Kitty Quinn I'm speaking of
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# The Pride of Pimlico...
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(MUSIC JOINS IN)
# Well, just about a month ago
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# unto this place she came
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# And set our hearts a blazin'
up in love's undying flame
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# And made of every other lass
about the place a foe
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# Because she took their sweethearts
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# did the Pride of Pimlico
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# Poor Paddy Burke the tailor now
can't do a stroke of work
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# Nor Billy Shee the handyman,
nor steady Jack McGurk
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# And if you aks the reason,
they'll just answer you with
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# "Oh, 'tis all because of
Kitty Quinn, the Pride of Pimlico
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# There's Murphy the teetotaller,
he's gone upon the spree
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# And Kehoe the whiskey drinker now
is taking milk in tea
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# He's given up John Jameson
and likewise Power and Roe
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# Because his heart's distracted
by the Pride of Pimlico
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# Old Jimmy Kane the miser
that no one could get around
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# And young Tom Ray who owns a forge
and near a hundred pound
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# And Matt McCann whose father
keeps the Irish Waxwork Show
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# Are raving night and day
about the Pride of Pimlico
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# It's time the polis saw to it,
or it will be too late
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# And divil a man in all the Coombe
will have a solid pate
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# And soon beyond in Ridley's
a sight of awful woe
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# You'll see ten thousand victims
of the Pride of Pimlico #
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(MUSIC ENDS)
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ONLOOKERS: Good man, Barry!
Bravo! Lovely stuff.
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BRENDAN: Who wrote that?
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BARRY: Arthur Griffith. Yeah,
he wrote the words. It's lovely.
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Lovely, eh... Unusual for Arthur
Griffith. You wouldn't expect it.
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BRENDAN: Yeah.Most of his stuff
was very political.
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BRENDAN: Brilliant.
This is the centenary, is it?
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Pardon?
Yeah, he died August 1922. So...
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Kevin Conneff now, set it
to that traditional air, you know?
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BRENDAN: You wouldn't put it with
Arthur Griffith really. Brilliant.
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No. It's on 'Chieftains 10'.
BRENDAN: Ah!Yeah.
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FRANCIS GAFFNEY: Really?
So, em...
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I think that's about
the best version I've heard of it,
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with the two of you playing along!
BRENDAN: The one we just did?!
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(LAUGHTER)
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BARRY: Of course,
I don't listen to many versions!
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(LAUGHTER)
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MAN: Good stuff.
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BRENDAN: There's something decadent
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about looking out
through a pub window at, you know...
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FRANCIS: A sunny day!..a sunny day,
the Four Courts. Look!
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I often think when you'd see a guy
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going for a jog outside,
you know, when you're inside,
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and you think, "What a flippin'
eejit he is out there...
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could be in here drinkin' pints!"
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And then when you're out there
passing by and you look in,
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you just say, "My God Almighty!
Wasters altogether!"(LAUGHTER)
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"What the hell
are they doin' in there?!"
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(TRADITIONAL RIFF ON BANJO)
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BRENDAN: It's a bit of a Maggie
Barry-type song, isn't it?
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FRANCIS: Yeah, you could imagine
her singing it alright.
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That'd be a better version probably.
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BARRY: It would be.
A WAY better version,
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especially the banjo playing on it.
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(ALL LAUGHING LOUDLY)
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FRANCIS: Maggie was good alright!
(LAUGHTER CONTINUES)
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You couldn't beat her!
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That's me back in me box now.
That's grand! (LAUGHTER)
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BRENDAN: Story of my life!
BARRY: Little brother syndrome.
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(ALL LAUGHING AND AGREEING)
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Yeah, you have to put up with that.
Ah, you have to.
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SEAN McGINLEY: There are moments,
artistic moments in my life,
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a lot of them happened in this pub.
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You know, I've been in theatres
and I've been in...
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I've seen exhibitions and then...
But some of the...
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the most profoundly moving
artistic experiences of my life
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were in here, in this bar.
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(LIAM O'CONNOR PLAYS FIDDLE
"SLIABH NA MBAN")
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("SLIABH NA MBAN" CONTINUES)
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All the sessions that...
They'd run for, for...
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I mean Gay and Mary's,
was it 33 years on a Sunday night?
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Yeah.
Um, Monday night,
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there were 18, 19 years.
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The lads, the guitar lads
on Wednesday night - Paul and Ray -
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they were 15, 16 years.
I mean, they...
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They just knew it was a space
they could come, do their thing,
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and be left alone basically.
There was no football match blaring,
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there was no DJ coming in at 10
o'clock: "Lads, you have to wrap".
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There was nothing. Dad set a...
Yeah.
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..he set a welcoming tone.
He did, yeah.
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And the thing I learned
from him was: if things are flowing,
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and people are having a good time,
and everyone's benefitting from it,
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like, just get out of the way.
Don't put your oar in.
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You create a space
for stuff to happen.
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Some nights, nothing happens.
Some nights, it's average.
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Some nights, it's magic.
But if you...
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don't just leave that space there,
you won't get the magic.
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(TRAM BELL DINGING,
(TRADITIONAL IRISH REEL FADES IN)
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(MUSIC FADES)
BRENDAN: Here we are again.
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Here we are again.
Bit emotional isn't it?
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That's what I'm gonna ask you about.
How do you feel?
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It is quite an emotional thing,
isn't it?
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It is emotional to walk back in
again after being away from it now
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for the last two... two years,
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and especially after the amount
of years we actually spent here.
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Um... The only thing is when you
come in, you kind of picture back
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a lot of the memories
that you've had
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and a lot of the times, you know,
special times particularly.
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Yeah.
It was just a way of life,
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just a part of life.
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(REEL FADES BACK IN)
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(REEL CONTINUES IN BACKGROUND)
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I would have met Mary
when I was about 12.
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So we've been probably playing music
since then together, you know?
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So, um... this was like,
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this was like the source
of everything for us, I suppose.
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We'd come in here and it was,
you know...
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Because we never knew
who else was going to come in,
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the great diversity in the music
that you heard and we were so lucky.
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Probably because it's in the centre
of the city, the pub,
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people passing through
would come into Hughes's.
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Yeah, yeah.
So we heard the best of music
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from the time we were young to...
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to now that we're all old ones,
like!
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MARY: Hey, hey!
Speak for yourself!
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Yeah.
BRENDAN: Yeah. Yeah.
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(REEL CONTINUES PLAYING)
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(REEL CONTINUES PLAYING
IN BACKGROUND)
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BRENDAN: Marie, it's a thrill
to have you here:
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mother of all the Hugheses. What's
your earliest memory of the pub?
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I suppose, when I met Michael
over 50 years ago,
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52 years actually,
we were together.
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At that time, of course,
we didn't have the music
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and it was very different
to what developed later, you know?
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BRENDAN: And what was the nature
of the pub then?
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Just a place to drink and gather.
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But it was an early house, right?
Oh, it was an early house, yes.
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So you had the markets, the courts
then and all that.
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Was that all happening
at that point?
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Yes. You'd have queues at 6.30 in
the morning because we opened at 7.
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BRENDAN: Yeah.
And in actual fact,
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if they didn't see the lights on
upstairs, they would be
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pressing the bell and shouting:
"Mike! It's time to open up!"
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Looking for a coffee, were they?!
(ALL LAUGHING)
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On an average day here, you'd have
the market crowds in the mornings.
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The place, at 7 a.m.,
would be packed.
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They've all been working
through the night.
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So the traders from the fish market,
the fruit market,
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they'd all be in
and they'd still be doing deals.
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There'd be wads of cash
going around.
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It was like, um...
really bustling trade.
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And the snug would be
full of Italians
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the Italian traders
who ran chippers and all that...
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and they'd be drinking their coffee
out of a glass.
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Now, I've been
to a few chippers in my life.
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I'm not sure I ever got
fruit and veg in an Italian chipper?
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Potatoes.
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Potatoes! Are they chips?
MARTIN: Potatoes for chips.
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Apparently, they used to make chips
out of potatoes.
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Well! Well... run me down!
You're welcome!
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(EARLY RECORDING
OF TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC)
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(MUSIC FADES)
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ARCHIVE FOOTAGE NARRATOR: Maurice
McAuley's load of cauliflowers
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left his farm near Skerries
before 5 o'clock in the morning.
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Most of the vegetables
for the Dublin market
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are grown in the area
north of the city.
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It's all closed up now anyways.
Closed up a long time.
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'Tis yeah. Who knows what's
going to happen to it but, um...
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Wasn't the f...
Is this the fish market then?
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Fish market was here
on the left-hand side
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where this new building's
being built.
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And, uh, you could go through
to the back of Hughes's pub here,
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into that little cul-de-sac
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which was right up
against the fish market. Yeah.
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You could go straight through
like, from the fish market?
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Yeah, from the front gate of it
way up on that street,
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right down and out the back there
into Hughes's.
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In the back door?In the back door.
Yeah, you could!(BOTH LAUGH)
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FRANCIS GAFFNEY: I worked here
in the '70s when I was in college.
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Eamonn was there, and his uncle
had the business there,
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and he was very good to give us
work when we needed a few bob!
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But, eh...
Yeah, I worked on and off.
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I was trying to remember in the '70s
because my whole, my whole life
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is a blur basically.
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It'd be '76
when I worked there, '77.
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I'd have been going back to college
as well then
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'cause I remember going... I worked
for about a month or something
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in it as well.
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BRENDAN: My Mary's father
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remembers coming in on a horse
and cart from Rush
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because they'd be bringing
all their fruit and veg in.
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And they'd come in.
They'd be 20 miles out...Right.
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bring the horse and cart into
the market. And so that's his memory.
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That was a kind of a day off
for him, to come in with his da.
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You know, on the horse and cart.
Yeah.
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(HORSE NEIGHS)
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ARCHIVE FOOTAGE NARRATOR: In 1862,
it was decided to provide
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a market for Dublin
but nothing happened for 30 years.
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It was in 1892 that the Dublin fruit
and vegetable market was set up
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so that provisions for the city
could be sold
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in orderly and hygienic conditions.
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It's quite an operation, isn't it?
FRANCIS: Yeah.
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BRENDAN: So that'd be from
about 7 o'clock.
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So Hughes's was the early start?
Hughes's was an early house, yeah.
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That's a city licence...
Yeah.
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..that they were allowed to open
early. So it was a special licence.
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There'd be a number of them
around the Capel Street area.
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And it's all to do with this
place...Yeah.
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..and the fish markets.
The fish markets yeah.
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So they had a special licence to
open at 7 o'clock in the morning.
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BRENDAN: What's going to happen to
it?FRANCIS: Who knows?
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Gonna be a fruit market again,
completely refurbished
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the whole building,
and then it's gonna be refurbished
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for fruit and veg.
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FRANCIS: Again?
Bit of an English Market.
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FRANCIS: Oh right. Specialist.
Gonna be a lovely job, yeah.
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That'll be fantastic.My sister used
to work here a long time ago.
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FRANCIS: Yeah?
BRENDAN: Your sister?
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They used to have the prams,
and then bring all the fruit up town
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and sell it in Moore Street.
FRANCIS: That's right.
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And there was loads.
Loads and loads of them.
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They're all dead and gone now but
they all had a good life, you know?
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FRANCIS: Had a good life.
Yeah, for sure, yeah.
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God, it was a busy place,
wasn't it though?
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This was a massive place.
Over there was a breakfast bar
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where everyone got breakfast.
They'd come in to get their flowers.
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They'd get everything in here.
FRANCIS: Yeah.
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PAUL: The place was alive from four
in the morning.
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We're out of here the 8th April,
and then it's county council.
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They're coming in
and they're gonna blitz the place.
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So this is the last time we'll see
it like this?PAUL: Yeah.
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God, we got lucky didn't we!
Jeez, fair dues to you!
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Thanks for letting us in. Brilliant.
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You want to have a selfie, Brendan?
BRENDAN: Of course, yeah.
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Might as well have one with you.
You're looking well, Brendan!
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You're looking well yourself!
Doing great work.
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BRENDAN: Listen, thanks a million.
That was brilliant now.
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Jeez, that was unexpected.
Thanks a lot.
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Anyone asks, you didn't see me.
No, I didn't see you
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Any Saturday morning in the next
couple of weeks, I'll be here.
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Yous can come in anytime.
We've only got the couple of days
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so this is amazing. Brilliant.
Perfect.Great to meet ya anyway.
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BRENDAN: Yeah you too.Brilliant.
God Bless. Thank you very much.
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(TRADITIONAL IRISH HORNPIPE PLAYS)
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FRANCIS: Cool, isn't it?
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BRENDAN: Who are the fab four?
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Eh, they're Pillow Queens.
They're an Irish band
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and their album's coming out
in a couple of weeks.
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Brilliant! Jesus, great stuff.
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It's all going on here, isn't it?!
(CHUCKLES)
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That's brilliant. Oh yeah, you were
saying the motor tax office...
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The motor tax office is here, yeah.
You queued up in there to get...
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You can see all the suits
will start to walk around as well...
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Yeah...for the courts.
All the legal eagles.
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(TRAFFIC HUM)
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MORGAN REDMOND: I was a barrister
in the '90s,
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and all the big criminal trials at
the time took place across the road.
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So the guards, the solicitors, the
barristers and some of the parties
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would be over here for lunch,
and especially in the snug...
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lunchtime was bustling,
and the rumours and the discussion
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and so on.
And it was it was an electric place.
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The atmosphere was always electric.
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So when you say "the parties", eh...
are you talking about criminals?
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Well, sometimes yeah. I mean, it was
a mix and gathering of people.
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You could find anybody. There was
all little nooks and crannies
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in this place.
This was a neutral zone?
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MORGAN: It was a neutral zone,
and it's exactly the same now
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as it was then. There was no
pretensions. It was just a place
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where you came in, you sat down,
you sat beside somebody,
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and they took you as you were,
and you took them as they were
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and that was it.
That was the great thing about it.
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It's a pub that was old school
with personality of its own.
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And that was the great thing
about it:
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everybody was equal
when they came in here you know.
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(ALL PLAY "THE HUNT")
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Good man.
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DAVE HUGHES: There was so many
different times of day actually.
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Like, the mornings
when the fish market was open,
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you used to have everyone coming in
having their one-and-ones,
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which was a glass with either tea or
coffee in it, and a shot of whiskey.
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BRENDAN: Right. That was a
one-and-one?That was a one-and-one.
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DAVE: And then the courts
would start up
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and you'd get all the barristers
and the cops and a few accused
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but then the music sort of came in
and it changed it, just...
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It changed the vibe of the place,
which was great
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because it actually made it feel
more like a home away from home.
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In the music community,
so many people,
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when they come together,
that's their family, and...
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you'd see, like different groups
all the time during the week
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coming in and you'd have
sort of set dancers coming in.
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That was their family gathering
for the week.
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(DANCERS WHOOPING AND YELPING)
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MARTIN: I remember the summer
of '85.BRENDAN: Yeah.
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MARTIN: 'Cause I remember the nights
here when Brendan started playing,
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Brendan Begley.
We knew Brendan through
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my mother's brother Vincent...
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God rest him, he died.
He was married to Brendan's sister,
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the singer Eileen Begley.
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So Brendan started playing
a few tunes on a Monday night,
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and within weeks,
the place was packed.
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You talk about the bush telegraph...
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BRENDAN: Yeah!
..it took off like wildfire!
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MAN SHOUTS: Faster!
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MARTIN: I was only about 12 at the
time. I'd be out getting glasses.
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The place would be heaving.
And the thing that really struck us
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was that everyone knew each other.
It was like this instant party...
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Yeah...and we're kinda goin',
"Who are these?"
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You know, "What is this scene?"
You know, "Who are these people?"
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And they all were great socialisers,
great, um...
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They just loved music and chatting.
They were just a brilliant crowd.
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Fun. And that's...
MARTIN: And fun!Yeah.
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And it was like a gift, you know,
because it kind of... um...
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You don't know how anything's
going to turn out in a place.
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No.
You can't... It's...
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You can try to set a tone but,
sure, that never works, you know?
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BRENDAN: Yeah.So the tone
that lands in a place,
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you know, you never know
what you're going to get.
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(MERRY WHOOPING AND LAUGHTER,
INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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(MUSIC ENDS, CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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So, Brendan, you're the genesis
of all this carry-on
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from what I hear! Is that true?
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Well, as Sean Garvey used to say,
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"If the cat had fish gills,
I'd get blamed for it!"
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(LAUGHTER)
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00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,520
Well, I remember
in maybe around 1984,
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Terry Moylan contacted me:
would I play for set dancers.
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And I had got a scalding
from set dancers from competitions
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and the arguments that ensued,
so I kind of gave him the slip.
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(LAUGHTER)He rang another time then
and he said, "Would we have a ceili
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down at the Ormond Hotel?"
and I said "Who else is there?"
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And he mentioned a few people
like Aidan Vaughan.
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Ah, lovely.Sure, I gave it a go.
I had a great night.
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("THE KILFENORA/THE KILRUSH/THE 4TH
FIGURE OF THE PLAIN SET")
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("THE KILFENORA/THE KILRUSH/THE 4TH
FIGURE OF THE PLAIN SET" CONTINUES)
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BRENDAN: That summer of '85,
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my sister and her husband
Vincent Loughnane,
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he said "My sister has
a pub here called Hughes's
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and they're trying to... They have
a fairly low trade at nighttime."
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BRENDAN: Yeah.
"All their business is daytime".
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So we came in here on
a Monday night.
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I think it was Gerry Bevan,
Steve Cooney and Vinnie Kilduff
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and maybe seven or eight set dancers
from the Pipers' Club.
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Yeah.
It kind of grew from there,
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and it... it was fantastic.
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'Twas the first pub in Dublin
that had set dancing.
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("THE KILFENORA/THE KILRUSH/THE 4TH
FIGURE OF THE PLAIN SET")
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(MUSIC CHANGES)
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People started coming in
on Tuesday nights then
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and sometimes there was such
a crowd here,
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there'd be another session inside
the snug, and the two would be going
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and one wouldn't hear the other.
The place would be thronged.
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Yeah.
PAUL: I think what happened here
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then was actually magical. It was
brilliant for music. I really do.
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I think it was amazing for music,
to be honest with you.
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And the other thing that was
great about here, especially for me,
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like, I was playing with Brendan
so you'd have tunes from West Kerry.
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Then Dermot with tunes from Donegal,
southwest Donegal,
423
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,600
all of Dermot's great tunes.
Mary McNamara was another one
424
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,920
who also played here so you had all
these East Clare tunes
425
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,760
and then I had my tunes
from Navan Road.
426
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,880
So it was a great melting pot,
meeting musicians
427
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,040
from different parts of the country.
It was great.
428
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,000
(UP TEMPO IRISH MUSIC PLAYS)
429
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Its loss is hugely felt
in the city at the moment...
430
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,400
traditional musicians in the city
have very, very few options
431
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,280
of places to play where the music
is respected and understood,
432
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,280
and this was one of the places
where it was.
433
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,240
(UP TEMPO IRISH MUSIC PLAYS)
434
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080
(DANCER WHOOPS, MUSIC ENDS)
435
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
436
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,040
In the early '70s, mid '70s like,
there was folk clubs
437
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520
every night of the week.
There was so many of Jthem.
438
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,840
Some nights, there was
two folk clubs going on in Dublin,
439
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,280
and that was kind of the way
till the early '80s or so.
440
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,440
Around that time, singers' clubs
started to pop up, like the Goilin,
441
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,800
and then the set dancing
started to become very popular
442
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,440
around the country
and here in the city.
443
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,600
So a lot of the people
who went to the gigs
444
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,200
ended up going to the singers' clubs
and set dancing clubs.
445
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,440
While it was great
to bring musicians in here,
446
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,720
it did a lot of harm as well
because, you know,
447
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,960
there was folk clubs in Slattery's.
They had a great folk club up there.
448
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,480
PAUL: The Tradition Club.
The Tradition Club, yeah.
449
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,960
And I think it kind of killed
that off because people had to pay
450
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,120
going in there, whereas there was
great music happening here free.
451
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840
BRENDAN: Yeah, but there was a
change of scene anyway wasn't there?
452
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,760
There was a change of scene. That
change was coming, I think, anyway.
453
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640
I remember going around Dublin,
myself and Mary, in the early '80s
454
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400
on a St Patrick's Day and we
couldn't find anywhere with music.
455
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,600
I know! But it was hard.
A lot of pubs didn't want it,
456
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240
sure they didn't?No.They thought it
was...There was no culture
457
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,880
of playing in pubs so playing music
in sessions in pubs
458
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,720
wasn't something I grew up...
459
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,080
I grew up playing music in
the Pipers' Club in Thomas Street.
460
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,080
It was very family-oriented.
The McKennas, the Mulligans...
461
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,760
all of us were there.
Also a lot of visitors.
462
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,680
BRENDAN: Right.
If there's matches on in town,
463
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,280
they'd come from Tipperary
or Donegal or Sligo, wherever,
464
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,880
and they'd all visit the Pipers'
Club on a Saturday night.
465
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,280
But on Thomas Street, it was
sacrosanct that you listened,
466
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,360
you know, it was really important
that you listen.
467
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,080
And Mick, in his own way,
kind of developed that here.
468
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,320
So it was a really good fit for us
because we wanted to listen
469
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,400
as well as play.
470
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,800
There's a lack of social spaces,
like, in a real kind of a...
471
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,960
- speaking about Dublin problems -
472
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
there's a lack of places
to sit down and not spend money
473
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,520
and be in other people's company
without having to buy something.
474
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,440
And, like, I know the whole idea of
a pub is that you buy a drink but...
475
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520
(OTHERS AGREEING)
It was kind of...
476
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,880
Yeah, and The Cobblestone
isn't really like that either.
477
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
You can sit down and drink a glass
of water over there if you want to
478
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,120
as long as you're playing a few
tunes. And there's not a whole lot
479
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280
of other establishments around town
where you can do that.
480
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,080
("THE HUMOURS OF BALLYLOUGHLIN/
FRAHER'S" CONTINUES)
481
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,600
GAY McKEON: We used to invite people
to come and sing
482
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,400
and often Frank Harte
would come in and sit up there
483
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640
and even... I wouldn't be inclined
to play slow airs out in public
484
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880
but he'd always ask me
so I got into the habit
485
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,160
of playing airs here on
a Sunday night if somebody asked me.
486
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Or people would come in and dance,
you know, solo-dance,
487
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,240
maybe the odd time there'd be a set.
488
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,920
There might be festivals down
the country, and we'd always go home
489
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,240
and make it in here
'cause this was something different.
490
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,560
LIAM O'CONNOR: And this was a place
491
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160
you could listen,
and appreciate good music.
492
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,720
You could hear the jokes
and the craic between tunes.
493
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,680
That's something
that was special here,
494
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:26,520
that social spontaneity
knitted the music together,
495
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,320
and people's relationships
and personalities
496
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,440
were bonded between the tunes.
497
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,520
The music was kind of the magnet,
and I think Mick and Martin knew
498
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,000
how to nurture and protect
and foster that.
499
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,280
"THE HUMOURS OF BALLYLOUGHLIN/
FRAHER'S" CONTINUES PLAYING)
500
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,480
(MUSIC ENDS, APPLAUSE)
501
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,800
GUITARIST: "Mr By Jove", yeah.
A man came in, he was...
502
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,920
Who?
"Mr By Jove".
503
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,960
IMITATES POSH ENGLISH ACCENT:
Awfully nice man.
504
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440
"Absolutely wonderful music!"
And he left 20 quid in the jar.
505
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800
BRENDAN: Ah, go 'way?
The "By Jove" money, we called it!
506
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,280
GUITARIST: Jeez, we got about
two years out of that didn't we!
507
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,200
SEAN McKEON: Jesus!
Twenty quid goes a long way!
508
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,440
Twenty quid goes a long way
in those days!
509
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,960
MUIREANN: The chats are a big part
of it, and even in Covid, like,
510
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,520
we stopped playing music
all of a sudden
511
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,960
and I took out a banjo one day,
and I was like, "This is rubbish".
512
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640
It's no good by yourself,
513
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,840
and I realised how much
the social connection
514
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,240
is such a definitive part
of Irish music.
515
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,760
Yeah, wasn't he well into his 80s or
something?
516
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,600
Right. He was fairly old.
He loved the music.
517
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,280
MARY: He used to come over here
on a Sunday, yeah.
518
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,240
LIAM: It's not just any old pub.
It's not replaceable.
519
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,040
It's like a habitat for...
520
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,960
If it was for some protected snail
or something, you know,
521
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,040
it wouldn't be allowed to close,
you know?
522
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,360
"A habitat"!
523
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,440
The musical equivalent
of David Attenborough
524
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,040
would be asking people
to preserve these type of things!
525
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,360
But it's hard to find and
distinguish that from, you know...
526
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560
BRENDAN: Paddywhackery.
Exactly, yeah.
527
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200
MARTIN HUGHES: The engine
was just purring nicely, you know?
528
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:15,040
Everyone was enjoying themselves.
Monday became Monday-and-Wednesday.
529
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,840
Then it became Monday, Wednesday,
Friday.
530
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,200
Then you'd have someone saying,
531
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,520
"Is there anyone playing in the snug
on a Tuesday night?"
532
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,760
Yeah.
"Oh, knock yourself out."
533
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,360
And then there'd be a session, say,
that would go on for 15 years.
534
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,800
I know, yeah. Pearl O'Shaughnessy
was there for ages.
535
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,040
Pearl was... decades, you know?
536
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,720
And she was extraordinary...
537
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,280
..such a generous...
What a lady, yeah.
538
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,800
Such a lady, and so generous
in her patience with...
539
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Yeah.You know, she'd invited
beginners in to play and foster them
540
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,280
and that session would become
a jewel to them.
541
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,240
("THE IRISH GIANTS/
THE BROKEN LANTERN" CONTINUES)
542
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,680
PAUL O'SHAUGHNESSY: The session
that my mother used to go to
543
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,120
she was the continuation
from the old Church Street session
544
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,720
that a lot of musicians talk about.
545
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,000
That was a session that gave
546
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,440
an awful lot of musicians a start,
and gave them a place to go.
547
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,320
("THE IRISH GIANTS/
THE BROKEN LANTERN" CONTINUES)
548
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,840
It was a place you could go out
without any intention
549
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,160
of playing a tune,
550
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,960
and you could meet people at the bar
and have a chat.
551
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,320
Or, if the notion took you,
if there was a session going on,
552
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000
you could join in and play that, sit
down and play a tune if you want.
553
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,720
It was great to have it
and we'd have been lost in this city
554
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,840
for about 20, 30 years
if we hadn't had it...
555
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,880
we'd have been seriously lost
for a place to go out
556
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,160
and play a tune and relax.
557
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,720
("THE IRISH GIANTS/
THE BROKEN LANTERN" CONTINUES)
558
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,280
MAN: Lovely, Paul.
559
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,120
(DISTANT CLAPPING
AND GENTLE STRUMMING FADE IN)
560
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,840
("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES)
561
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,760
In terms of the family then,
they were all part of it too,
562
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,400
weren't they?Yeah, the memory I'd
have of here as regards family is
563
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,520
when my eldest daughter was born,
I was supposed to come in here
564
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,920
and play 'cause she was born on St
Patrick's Day 33 years ago, Aoife.
565
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,320
And I remember on the way
to the Coombe saying to Tom:
566
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,360
"Will you ring the lads and
tell them I won't be in Hughes's?"
567
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,040
And I got a message back saying:
"Tell her that's no excuse."
568
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,080
(BRENDAN LAUGHING UNCONTROLLABLY)
Brilliant!
569
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,240
And I had a similar story
because I remember when I was
570
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,480
having the twins, I had the case in
the boot of the car, and nobody knew
571
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,840
because I knew, "Ah..." And, like
that, I had gone into labour
572
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,240
and I said, "Oh look, I'll just
go in and have a few tunes,
573
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,040
and then I'll go into the hospital"!
(BRENDAN LAUGHS HEARTILY)
574
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,640
Which is exactly what I did do!
575
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,600
("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES)
576
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,280
We would sit down there
and we would play tunes,
577
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,200
and the locals would be up here.
578
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,400
And there was a great respect
from us for them,
579
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,840
and from them for us,
you know?
580
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,040
And, over the years,
we got to know each other.
581
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,680
Like, I mean Dolly and Jimmy
would sit at the bar.
582
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,040
I think I knew everything about
Dolly's children and grandchildren
583
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,400
by the time I was finished,
you know?
584
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,440
There was weeks,
I think Gay decided,
585
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,640
that they must have had
a birthday every weekend
586
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120
because there was a birthday cake
handed in behind the bar,
587
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,960
and they'd send the birthday cake
down to us!
588
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,600
But like there was a great respect.
589
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,560
("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES)
590
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,800
When the pandemic happened, that
social interaction wasn't happening
591
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,720
so did you find it rough, like?
592
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,680
I... couldn't play at all.
I had great intentions,
593
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,280
and go and learn new tunes every
week and all the rest of it.
594
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,560
Started off great,
took the fiddle out and went:
595
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,040
"OK, what do I play?"
'Cause I NEVER play at home.
596
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,440
I only ever played when I went out.
And, eh... after about two weeks,
597
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,560
I just had to leave it there
because it just made me sad.
598
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,000
I felt so sad because the music
just brought back the memories.
599
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,520
With the result now,
I have to go and relearn everything
600
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,000
'cause I've all the second parts
of every tune mixed up!
601
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,080
(BRENDAN CHUCKLES)
602
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,040
("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES)
603
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,160
BRENDAN: It is about the people,
isn't it?
604
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,280
PAUL: Who you're with, yeah.
Very much so.
605
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,600
It gives the whole context to it.
Without people around listening
606
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,240
to you, talking to you, mixing tunes
with other people, it's... it's...
607
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,320
For me, it loses an awful lot.
Loses nearly everything.
608
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,280
("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES)
609
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,600
(APPLAUSE)
610
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,040
BARRY: You had dancing, singing...
BRENDAN: Yeah. Yeah.
611
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,080
BARRY: ..loads of music, and eh...
and lawyers,
612
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,960
and the people from the markets.
You had everything! All human life.
613
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,880
BRENDAN: I know. Antaine would have
been here from the beginning too...
614
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,400
BARRY: Oh yeah. BRENDAN: Because he
was set-dancing.BARRY: Yeah, he was.
615
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,600
So you'd see his big head
bobbing away in there,
616
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,000
hitting off the roof, and then
he'd be in here singing sean-nos.
617
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,200
Was it the Sean-Nos Cois Life?
618
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,640
BARRY: They were here
for donkey's years.
619
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,320
The last day would be
on the Sunday in Hughes's
620
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,920
which was always a brilliant
session.
621
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,200
I often went down to it myself.
Generally the Sunday here now
622
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,960
would be... (SPEAKS IRISH)
623
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,680
(SPEAKS ENGLISH)
because it was the...
624
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,720
(SPEAKS IRISH)
625
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,200
(SEAN-NOS SONG SUNG IN IRISH
FADES IN)
626
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,520
# ..Agus, a bho, a bho, mo lao
627
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,120
# A bho, mo leanbh
's ce dearfadh nach i?
628
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,240
# O, cuirfidh me coiste
faoi Bhaba 'Con Ri
629
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,360
# O, cuirfidh me coiste
faoi Bhaba 'Con Ri
630
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,560
# Cuirfidh me coiste faoi Bhaba
'Con Ri
631
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,880
# O, 's seanphoitin gliomach
's rothai 'gabhail faoi
632
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,160
# Agus, a bho, a bho, mo lao
633
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:20,760
# A bho, mo leanbh
's ce dearfadh nach i?
634
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,560
# Nuair a bhionns mna mhuintir
Uaithnin ag caitheamh cloth shawl
635
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,760
# Nuair a bhionns mna mhuintir
Uaithnin ag caitheamh cloth shawl
636
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,480
# Nuair a bhionns mna mhuintir
Uaithnin ag caitheamh cloth shawl
637
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,960
# O, ta Baba sin againne
's pluid ar a ceann
638
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,920
# Agus, a bho, a bho, mo lao
639
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,360
# A bho, mo leanbh
's ce dearfadh nach i? #
640
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,360
(TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC PLAYING)
641
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,680
BRENDAN: So who was the previous
owner of the pub then?
642
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,080
MARTIN HUGHES: It was a guy
called Bill O'Hara.
643
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,320
He sold the place in '53.
I don't know what became of him
644
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,560
but he was here for a long time.
645
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,160
After the shelling
of the Four Courts,
646
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,880
a few stray shells
had rocked the foundation
647
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080
so they had to rebuild it in 1927.
648
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,480
So the previous state,
we're not sure of.
649
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,000
It's a bit murky. I've been to
the Land Registry and all but...
650
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,960
So Michael Collins blew up this pub?
651
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,760
MARTIN: He did,
and the funny thing is
652
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,000
when, when, when... you were
making that movie 'Michael Collins'
653
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,120
I got woken up the morning you
were...(BRENDAN CHUCKLES)
654
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,400
you were reproducing that!
Oh!
655
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,360
MARTIN: This racket!
Banging going off!
656
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,800
(TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC PLAYING)
657
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,680
My father's father bought here
in 1953,
658
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:50,280
and he's the M on the sign outside,
and I was named after him obviously.
659
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,280
He was a Tipperary man.
He took over here
660
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,680
and he ran it with his wife Rita
who was a Dublin lady.
661
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,080
They both died of TB.
662
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,680
(TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC CONTINUES)
663
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,880
Dad was running here
from when he was 19.
664
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,200
He went to college for one day,
and he said:
665
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,920
"Nah! I think I'd prefer the pub."
So he took over here.
666
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,160
(TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC
CONTINUES PLAYING)
667
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,440
BRENDAN: It needs a certain
kind of skill to be a particular
668
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,880
type of barman, and Mick had
that innate quality, didn't he?
669
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,400
He was just...
670
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,640
He was an extraordinary man
because he was like
671
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,960
one of those old conductors
you'd see in black and white,
672
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,520
who'd make the tiniest gesture
with his hand
673
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,000
but the guy 50 feet away
knew exactly what he wanted.
674
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,000
DAVE HUGHES: He knew,
if someone came in
675
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,240
and they just wanted a paper
and wanted to be left alone,
676
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680
he'd be handing them the paper
by the time they got to the bar.
677
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,000
He was the Mr Consistency here
for so many people,
678
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,040
and no matter who you were,
you came through the door,
679
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,240
he'd give you the once-over look
680
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,400
and if he thought you were fine,
you were in and that was it.
681
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,480
MARIE: People spoke to Michael
a bit like a confessional often.
682
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,800
You know, people came in.
But they knew he would never repeat
683
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,800
which he didn't, stories that
they would tell, personal things.
684
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,840
No, yeah.
And he never did.
685
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,280
He wouldn't even tell me about what
they were talking about, you know?
686
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,480
("PADDY FROM PORTLAW/THE WHISTLER AT
THE WAKE" (C. VINCENT) CONTINUES)
687
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,920
MUIREANN BANKS: Myself and Eimear
both have brothers who play music,
688
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,840
and they used to go off
for sessions,
689
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960
and we'd only ever find out about
them after the fact!(LAUGHTER)
690
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,600
And one day, we just got fed-up
and we said:
691
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,640
"That's it! The women are going
to have their own session."
692
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,280
And we just put the call out,
and there was probably, on and off,
693
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,840
maybe 10 or 12 of us that would come
in for a tune every Tuesday night.
694
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,560
BRENDAN: Yeah.
Often, the place would be empty,
695
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,680
and there'd be a session down
the back and a session in the snug.
696
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,480
And that was it, just two sessions,
and Mick on the bar.
697
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,200
BRENDAN: Yeah.
And, uh...
698
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,680
..he'd always land out
with a few ham sandwiches!
699
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,280
And then after a while,
we were like:
700
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,600
"No, Mick, no more sandwiches.
We're watching...
701
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,360
(LAUGHTER)
..the hips!"
702
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,160
MUIREANN: But it reached a point
then with, you know,
703
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,680
typical women, there were nights
we came in here and by 11.30,
704
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,480
we'd be like,
"Lads, we haven't played a tune."
705
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,000
All we were doing was talking.
706
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,520
Yeah!
And there'd be cake
707
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,440
and there'd be birthday
celebrations.
708
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,720
There was always a celebration.
Yeah, always.
709
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,920
And Mick would pop his head in,
he'd be like:
710
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,160
"What are you celebrating tonight?"
(LAUGHTER)
711
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,480
Paula Hanley texted us
and she wasn't going to make it
712
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,560
and she just wrote, "I'm not going
to make Fanny Power tonight."
713
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,240
That was it.
We became Fanny Power.
714
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,200
So for anyone who's not a musician,
715
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,960
Fanny Power is a tune
written by O'Carolan!
716
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,880
But it evolved from Fanny Power
into us becoming The Fannies.
717
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,800
BRENDAN: Yeah.So then Mick,
the hatch would open:
718
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,680
"How are da Fannies?"
(LAUGHTER)
719
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,880
And, uh, me mother was the Queen
of the Fannies, and... you know?
720
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,720
BRENDAN: Oh lovely!
We had Fannies On Tour.
721
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,360
We went to London for the Camden
trad fest, and...
722
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Yeah, it evolved from there.
So we've loads of great memories.
723
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,960
And we've had births, marriages,
engagements, break-ups, the works.
724
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,800
BRENDAN: Yeah, how does that work?
EIMEAR: All celebrated here.
725
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,720
("PADDY FROM PORTLAW/THE WHISTLER AT
THE WAKE" (C. VINCENT) CONTINUES)
726
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,240
(MUSIC ENDS)
727
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,440
(TRAM RUMBLES)
728
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,080
(TRAM RUMBLES)
729
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,960
("SLIABH NA MBAN" PLAYING)
730
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,320
("SLIABH NA MBAN" CONTINUES)
731
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Himself and Mum,
they were down in Killaloe.
732
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,560
I was locking up here one night
with Joe. Remember Joe who...
733
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:06,880
Yeah.
..who worked for my dad
734
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,680
since the late '70s.
Joe Turner, brilliant man.
735
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,640
And, um... Joe was just leav...
736
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,200
I was closing the side door,
I got a phone call from my mother
737
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,840
and she was upset and she said,
"Your father's very bad."
738
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,600
And I knew there was something...
I said, "OK, I'm coming."
739
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,640
("SLIABH NA MBAN" CONTINUES)
740
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,480
Turns out,
he had a massive heart attack,
741
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,680
and, um, they brought him
to Limerick General.
742
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,640
So I got in the car, drove up,
collected Dave,
743
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,040
this was 1 o'clock
in the morning,
744
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,560
got to Limerick General at 2.35
'cause, you know, I didn't know...
745
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,400
Now he never made it
to the hospital as it turns out.
746
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,400
It was a huge shock
because, you know,
747
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,680
he was still playing golf
a couple of time...
748
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,520
He looked great. He felt great.
BRENDAN: Yeah! Yeah.
749
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,720
One thing though,
I can say in hindsight
750
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,760
is that I'm so glad that he was
such an active, happy guy.
751
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,640
I wish he had another 10, 15 years.
Yeah, of course.
752
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,360
He was 75 years of age but
the positives were that he, uh...
753
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,320
he loved his life, you know?
754
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,880
He adored my mother.
He adored the family.
755
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,360
Um, he-he just... he was really
the happiest man I know.
756
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,400
(DRONES INTENSIFY)
757
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,680
("SLIABH NA MBAN" ENDS)
(LISTENERS CLAP AND COMPLIMENT)
758
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:27,720
GAY: Thank you.
759
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,560
I was lying awake one night.
I couldn't sleep
760
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,960
and I was flicking through YouTube,
and up came a suggested video.
761
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,040
It was Elvis Presley,
'It's Now or Never',
762
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,520
and I remember goin'
763
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,240
"I'm getting a text message from
the universe...(BRENDAN LAUGHS)
764
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,640
..through Elvis Presley!"
BRENDAN: Who better?!
765
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,240
Who better?! And if you...
766
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,560
You know, and I remember just goin',
"It is... If the time to do...
767
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,440
"If I'm going to do it,
now's the time to do it."
768
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,960
BRENDAN: Yeah, yeah.
It felt right,
769
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,760
and we were chatting about it
as a family.
770
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,240
You know,
I just came to a decision
771
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,160
that now'd be a nice time.
772
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,480
Like, we've had a great run.
BRENDAN: Yeah.
773
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,320
It would feel... This feels like
a good time now to just wrap it up.
774
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,880
There was a lot of smelling of roses
during the pandemic anyway
775
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,040
with a lot of different people
in terms of their life.
776
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,560
You're going after the music?
777
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Yeah, I-I...
Teaching and freelance playing,
778
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,080
and, you know, which I always did
a bit on the side
779
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,720
but I'd enjoy it a lot more now just
with that bit of space to breathe.
780
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,280
(PIGEONS COOING)
781
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,840
(SLOW, FLUTTERING MELODY
ON CLASSICAL FLUTE PLAYS)
782
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,040
(FINAL NOTES DESCEND)
783
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,440
(MUSIC ENDS, DISTANT BIRDSONG)
784
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,960
What do I think
of the legacy here in Hughes's?
785
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,800
You'll be seeing in the fullness,
it having had an iconic role to play
786
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,600
in traditional music,
song and dance in Dublin.
787
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,480
You know, when I go to places
like, say, Paris, and, eh...
788
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,400
I always feel like somewhere
like that, I'm 120 years too late.
789
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,680
Places like that, that Hemingway and
Joyce and all these people hung out.
790
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,560
But I think we'll look back
and be so fortunate
791
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,000
that we experienced and lived in
something when it was at its height.
792
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,120
We're gonna miss this place so much.
793
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,440
I know.
MARY: And we had no farewell night.
794
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,960
I have to say, I missed that.
BRENDAN: Yeah.
795
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,560
I mean, I would have loved to say:
796
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,080
"OK, this is going to be our
last night. Let's give it socks."
797
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,240
You know?
It kind of just filtered away.
798
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,080
Places like this come and go.
BRENDAN: Yeah.
799
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,320
And maybe it's part of the natural
order that they go too, you know?
800
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,800
Like, I was thinking of Cullens',
you know? Uh... here, you know?
801
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,080
I can think of other places
like Hiudai Beag's
802
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,960
up in Gaoth Dobhair which,
thankfully, is still going strong.
803
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,040
But maybe you can't pin them down.
You can't...
804
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,720
You know, it's not a flag
in the Arts Council map, you know?
805
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,080
Like, build a venue
and tick a box.
806
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,560
And, you know, the place up the road
as well, The Cobblestone, like...
807
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,200
they're almost like twins
in that sense.
808
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:30,120
I mean, The Cobblestone
is more out there public maybe.
809
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,600
Well, that's interesting too.
It was really refreshing to me
810
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,280
that people began to value
what The Cobblestone is
811
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,080
before they knocked it down.
SEAN: Yeah.
812
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,840
And the difference
between that and here
813
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,880
is that this is, you know,
this is closing its doors gently.
814
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,560
Not driven to it. Not driven out.
Yeah. Yeah.
815
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,560
And so it feels... There's something
glorious about just...
816
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,080
Well, its time has come maybe?
You know, that...
817
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,160
..you know, like...
818
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Thank God for Mick,
and thank God for Martin:
819
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,920
the way they looked after this place
and everybody that was in it.
820
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,640
BRENDAN: Yeah.
And we'll be forever grateful
821
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,120
to them for that.
But sometimes maybe, you know...
822
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,040
things have to move on or change.
823
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,720
BRENDAN: Yeah.
But The Cobblestone isn't ready yet.
824
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,920
SEAN: Yeah.
And people need to continue
825
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,160
to value the places that are there,
and just... and get out of the way
826
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,920
and stop... just leave them alone.
827
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,120
Yeah, yeah.
828
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,320
Yeah.
829
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,400
SEAN: Yep.
830
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,880
(REEL ON UILLEANN PIPES FADES IN)
831
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,280
(OTHER INSTRUMENTS JOIN IN)
832
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,000
(REEL FADES OUT)
833
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,400
MAN SINGING A CAPPELLA:
# In Dublin's fair city
834
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,000
# Where the girls are so pretty
835
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,000
# I first set my eyes
836
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,360
# On sweet Molly Malone
837
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,640
# As she wheeled her wheelbarra'
838
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,760
# Through the streets
broad and narra'
839
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:10,160
# Cryin' "Cockles and mussels
840
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:16,160
# Alive-alive-oh"
841
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,840
# Now, she died of the fever
842
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,360
# And no one could save her
843
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,280
# And that was the end of
844
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:33,360
# sweet Molly Malone
845
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,040
# But her ghost wheels her barra'
846
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:42,000
# through the streets
broad and narra'
847
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:50,280
# Cryin' "Cockles and mussels
848
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:56,840
# Alive-alive-oh"
849
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,800
# Alive alive-oh-oh
850
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,400
# Alive
alive-oh-oh
851
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:15,520
# Cryin' "Cockles and mussels
852
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:23,840
# Alive-alive-oh" #
853
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,800
Whee!
854
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,840
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