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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:11,000 (TRADITIONAL IRISH MARCH ON UILLEANN PIPES AND GUITAR PLAYS) 2 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,560 (TRADITIONAL IRISH TUNE CONTINUES PLAYING) 3 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,240 (TRAFFIC HUM) 4 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,680 (TRADITIONAL IRISH TUNE CONTINUES PLAYING) 5 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,000 (MUSIC ENDS) 6 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,560 (TRADITIONAL IRISH REEL FADES IN) 7 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,400 (REEL REACHES FULL VOLUME) 8 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,800 (AUDIENCE MEMBER WHOOS) 9 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,600 (REEL CONTINUES PLAYING) 10 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,760 (MUSIC ENDS, AUDIENCE MEMBER WHOOS, APPLAUSE) 11 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,040 Our mutual friend described this place. 12 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,240 I said, "What do you think? You know, are you going to miss it?" 13 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,000 And he said, "Ah, it was just perfect." 14 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,440 "It was just perfect." (TRAM PASSES) 15 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,080 (GULL CRIES) 16 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,520 SEAN: I think I fell in love with Dublin 17 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,880 when I started coming in here. 18 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,200 It was a place where musicians were welcome but the... 19 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,040 the musicians felt welcome. 20 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,440 Yeah. 21 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,760 And that they could come in here and just play 22 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,800 and listen to other musicians without any pressure to perform 23 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,040 or anything like that. 24 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,800 You see the best musicians in the country, in the world, 25 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,040 coming in here, and not playing at all, just listening, you know? 26 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,560 BRENDAN: Yeah. 27 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,120 And, you know, it was just, just... such a privilege. 28 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,160 And, you know, for people like, who are not musicians, who love music, 29 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 to be sitting beside the best there is. 30 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,560 Yeah. SEAN: You know, just... 31 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,000 what a privilege. 32 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,600 Aw, now, it's outstanding. Well, you DO play music. 33 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,160 I remember at some stage, you used to be sitting in here 34 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,880 and we'd be coaxing you. Yeah! 35 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,080 And your modus operandi was, kind of, every so often, 36 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,600 you'd kinda just... the hand would kinda slip in 37 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,240 as if you're gonna take out a little Derringer and shoot somebody, like! 38 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,520 And next thing this whistle would come up and hit your thing there 39 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,080 and you'd be playing down this way. And you have more music 40 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,480 in your little finger than half the pub has in their... 41 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,200 SEAN: Yeah... It was just a... 42 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,520 ..a very humbling place to be. 43 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,560 And I would imagine maybe the same for musicians as well. 44 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,720 And there was an unspoken etiquette, you know? 45 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Don't get in the way of the session, you know. 46 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,040 Like, it was just an exercise in... I don't know... 47 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,720 BRENDAN: Courtesy. Yeah. 48 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,400 But it was very funny listening to Martin 49 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,480 because I asked him, "How did you deal with that?" 50 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,320 And he said, "You know..." he said, "there was a fella in here now 51 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,240 and he was beating the drum very, you know... 52 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,840 so I just went down to him and I said, 'Eh... 53 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,960 listen, would you put that away? You're wrecking me head'! 54 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,000 (LAUGHTER) 55 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,920 He "suggested", you know?! SEAN: He hinted! 56 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,160 He hinted, yeah! (POLKA PLAYING, LAUGHTER) 57 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,400 (FEET TAPPING TO TEMPO OF TRADITIONAL POLKA PLAYING) 58 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,200 (FEET TAPPING CONTINUES) 59 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,640 (MUSIC ENDS, APPLAUSE) 60 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:14,480 (DANCER WHOOPS) 61 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,640 At home, if there was a session, it was always the one. 62 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,360 There'd be music, and there'd be dancing and there'd be singing, 63 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,360 and there'd be storytelling. It was like a four-legged pot, like. 64 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,760 You had the whole thing. Whereas they came up here, 65 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,320 there was the Goilin and there was dancing maybe in the Teachers' Club 66 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,040 - or in the Pipers' Club - and sessions and such a thing. 67 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,680 But I think there was a kind of a melting pot of them here. 68 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,960 (A CAPPELLA) # Come all ye broken-hearted ones 69 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,520 # and listen to my lay 70 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:53,680 # About a lovely damsel as fair as this blest May 71 00:06:53,720 --> 00:07:00,280 # Who's caused much tears and sorrow and grief and heartfelt woe 72 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,520 # It's Kitty Quinn I'm speaking of 73 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,360 # The Pride of Pimlico... 74 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,160 (MUSIC JOINS IN) # Well, just about a month ago 75 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,960 # unto this place she came 76 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,800 # And set our hearts a blazin' up in love's undying flame 77 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,880 # And made of every other lass about the place a foe 78 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,440 # Because she took their sweethearts 79 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,880 # did the Pride of Pimlico 80 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,640 # Poor Paddy Burke the tailor now can't do a stroke of work 81 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,680 # Nor Billy Shee the handyman, nor steady Jack McGurk 82 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,520 # And if you aks the reason, they'll just answer you with 83 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,920 # "Oh, 'tis all because of Kitty Quinn, the Pride of Pimlico 84 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,520 # There's Murphy the teetotaller, he's gone upon the spree 85 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,920 # And Kehoe the whiskey drinker now is taking milk in tea 86 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:10,360 # He's given up John Jameson and likewise Power and Roe 87 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:16,520 # Because his heart's distracted by the Pride of Pimlico 88 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,240 # Old Jimmy Kane the miser that no one could get around 89 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:26,720 # And young Tom Ray who owns a forge and near a hundred pound 90 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,520 # And Matt McCann whose father keeps the Irish Waxwork Show 91 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,560 # Are raving night and day about the Pride of Pimlico 92 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,680 # It's time the polis saw to it, or it will be too late 93 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,200 # And divil a man in all the Coombe will have a solid pate 94 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:55,160 # And soon beyond in Ridley's a sight of awful woe 95 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:05,120 # You'll see ten thousand victims of the Pride of Pimlico # 96 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,560 (MUSIC ENDS) 97 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,560 ONLOOKERS: Good man, Barry! Bravo! Lovely stuff. 98 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,120 BRENDAN: Who wrote that? 99 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,480 BARRY: Arthur Griffith. Yeah, he wrote the words. It's lovely. 100 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,680 Lovely, eh... Unusual for Arthur Griffith. You wouldn't expect it. 101 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,560 BRENDAN: Yeah.Most of his stuff was very political. 102 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,880 BRENDAN: Brilliant. This is the centenary, is it? 103 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,160 Pardon? Yeah, he died August 1922. So... 104 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,760 Kevin Conneff now, set it to that traditional air, you know? 105 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,440 BRENDAN: You wouldn't put it with Arthur Griffith really. Brilliant. 106 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,600 No. It's on 'Chieftains 10'. BRENDAN: Ah!Yeah. 107 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,200 FRANCIS GAFFNEY: Really? So, em... 108 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,880 I think that's about the best version I've heard of it, 109 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,920 with the two of you playing along! BRENDAN: The one we just did?! 110 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,880 (LAUGHTER) 111 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,480 BARRY: Of course, I don't listen to many versions! 112 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,800 (LAUGHTER) 113 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,840 MAN: Good stuff. 114 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,440 BRENDAN: There's something decadent 115 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,920 about looking out through a pub window at, you know... 116 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,240 FRANCIS: A sunny day!..a sunny day, the Four Courts. Look! 117 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,120 I often think when you'd see a guy 118 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,000 going for a jog outside, you know, when you're inside, 119 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,080 and you think, "What a flippin' eejit he is out there... 120 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,200 could be in here drinkin' pints!" 121 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,840 And then when you're out there passing by and you look in, 122 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,800 you just say, "My God Almighty! Wasters altogether!"(LAUGHTER) 123 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,480 "What the hell are they doin' in there?!" 124 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,160 (TRADITIONAL RIFF ON BANJO) 125 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,880 BRENDAN: It's a bit of a Maggie Barry-type song, isn't it? 126 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,520 FRANCIS: Yeah, you could imagine her singing it alright. 127 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,200 That'd be a better version probably. 128 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,800 BARRY: It would be. A WAY better version, 129 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,880 especially the banjo playing on it. 130 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,240 (ALL LAUGHING LOUDLY) 131 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,640 FRANCIS: Maggie was good alright! (LAUGHTER CONTINUES) 132 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:52,440 You couldn't beat her! 133 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,520 That's me back in me box now. That's grand! (LAUGHTER) 134 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:00,080 BRENDAN: Story of my life! BARRY: Little brother syndrome. 135 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,640 (ALL LAUGHING AND AGREEING) 136 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Yeah, you have to put up with that. Ah, you have to. 137 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,440 SEAN McGINLEY: There are moments, artistic moments in my life, 138 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,400 a lot of them happened in this pub. 139 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,960 You know, I've been in theatres and I've been in... 140 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,720 I've seen exhibitions and then... But some of the... 141 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,800 the most profoundly moving artistic experiences of my life 142 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,600 were in here, in this bar. 143 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,680 (LIAM O'CONNOR PLAYS FIDDLE "SLIABH NA MBAN") 144 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,200 ("SLIABH NA MBAN" CONTINUES) 145 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,680 All the sessions that... They'd run for, for... 146 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,320 I mean Gay and Mary's, was it 33 years on a Sunday night? 147 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,640 Yeah. Um, Monday night, 148 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,280 there were 18, 19 years. 149 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,720 The lads, the guitar lads on Wednesday night - Paul and Ray - 150 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,560 they were 15, 16 years. I mean, they... 151 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,720 They just knew it was a space they could come, do their thing, 152 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,920 and be left alone basically. There was no football match blaring, 153 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,640 there was no DJ coming in at 10 o'clock: "Lads, you have to wrap". 154 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:51,440 There was nothing. Dad set a... Yeah. 155 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,720 ..he set a welcoming tone. He did, yeah. 156 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,720 And the thing I learned from him was: if things are flowing, 157 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,920 and people are having a good time, and everyone's benefitting from it, 158 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,520 like, just get out of the way. Don't put your oar in. 159 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:05,720 You create a space for stuff to happen. 160 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,920 Some nights, nothing happens. Some nights, it's average. 161 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,320 Some nights, it's magic. But if you... 162 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,400 don't just leave that space there, you won't get the magic. 163 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,960 (TRAM BELL DINGING, (TRADITIONAL IRISH REEL FADES IN) 164 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,480 (MUSIC FADES) BRENDAN: Here we are again. 165 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,080 Here we are again. Bit emotional isn't it? 166 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,360 That's what I'm gonna ask you about. How do you feel? 167 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,040 It is quite an emotional thing, isn't it? 168 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,920 It is emotional to walk back in again after being away from it now 169 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,200 for the last two... two years, 170 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,680 and especially after the amount of years we actually spent here. 171 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,600 Um... The only thing is when you come in, you kind of picture back 172 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,560 a lot of the memories that you've had 173 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,440 and a lot of the times, you know, special times particularly. 174 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Yeah. It was just a way of life, 175 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,120 just a part of life. 176 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,520 (REEL FADES BACK IN) 177 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,040 (REEL CONTINUES IN BACKGROUND) 178 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,560 I would have met Mary when I was about 12. 179 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,560 So we've been probably playing music since then together, you know? 180 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,040 So, um... this was like, 181 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,120 this was like the source of everything for us, I suppose. 182 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,760 We'd come in here and it was, you know... 183 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,840 Because we never knew who else was going to come in, 184 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,800 the great diversity in the music that you heard and we were so lucky. 185 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,120 Probably because it's in the centre of the city, the pub, 186 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,360 people passing through would come into Hughes's. 187 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,760 Yeah, yeah. So we heard the best of music 188 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,880 from the time we were young to... 189 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,920 to now that we're all old ones, like! 190 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,240 MARY: Hey, hey! Speak for yourself! 191 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Yeah. BRENDAN: Yeah. Yeah. 192 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,040 (REEL CONTINUES PLAYING) 193 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,120 (REEL CONTINUES PLAYING IN BACKGROUND) 194 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,320 BRENDAN: Marie, it's a thrill to have you here: 195 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:14,440 mother of all the Hugheses. What's your earliest memory of the pub? 196 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,560 I suppose, when I met Michael over 50 years ago, 197 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,280 52 years actually, we were together. 198 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,280 At that time, of course, we didn't have the music 199 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,240 and it was very different to what developed later, you know? 200 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,480 BRENDAN: And what was the nature of the pub then? 201 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,880 Just a place to drink and gather. 202 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,640 But it was an early house, right? Oh, it was an early house, yes. 203 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,760 So you had the markets, the courts then and all that. 204 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,600 Was that all happening at that point? 205 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,840 Yes. You'd have queues at 6.30 in the morning because we opened at 7. 206 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,280 BRENDAN: Yeah. And in actual fact, 207 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,920 if they didn't see the lights on upstairs, they would be 208 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,560 pressing the bell and shouting: "Mike! It's time to open up!" 209 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,240 Looking for a coffee, were they?! (ALL LAUGHING) 210 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,840 On an average day here, you'd have the market crowds in the mornings. 211 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,560 The place, at 7 a.m., would be packed. 212 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,400 They've all been working through the night. 213 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,960 So the traders from the fish market, the fruit market, 214 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,280 they'd all be in and they'd still be doing deals. 215 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,840 There'd be wads of cash going around. 216 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,040 It was like, um... really bustling trade. 217 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,480 And the snug would be full of Italians 218 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,720 the Italian traders who ran chippers and all that... 219 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,320 and they'd be drinking their coffee out of a glass. 220 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:26,680 Now, I've been to a few chippers in my life. 221 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,120 I'm not sure I ever got fruit and veg in an Italian chipper? 222 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,040 Potatoes. 223 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,640 Potatoes! Are they chips? MARTIN: Potatoes for chips. 224 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Apparently, they used to make chips out of potatoes. 225 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:42,800 Well! Well... run me down! You're welcome! 226 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,440 (EARLY RECORDING OF TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC) 227 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,200 (MUSIC FADES) 228 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,120 ARCHIVE FOOTAGE NARRATOR: Maurice McAuley's load of cauliflowers 229 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,920 left his farm near Skerries before 5 o'clock in the morning. 230 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,480 Most of the vegetables for the Dublin market 231 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,560 are grown in the area north of the city. 232 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,520 It's all closed up now anyways. Closed up a long time. 233 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,240 'Tis yeah. Who knows what's going to happen to it but, um... 234 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,920 Wasn't the f... Is this the fish market then? 235 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,040 Fish market was here on the left-hand side 236 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,080 where this new building's being built. 237 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,720 And, uh, you could go through to the back of Hughes's pub here, 238 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,240 into that little cul-de-sac 239 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,960 which was right up against the fish market. Yeah. 240 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,520 You could go straight through like, from the fish market? 241 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,760 Yeah, from the front gate of it way up on that street, 242 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,880 right down and out the back there into Hughes's. 243 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,840 In the back door?In the back door. Yeah, you could!(BOTH LAUGH) 244 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,400 FRANCIS GAFFNEY: I worked here in the '70s when I was in college. 245 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,600 Eamonn was there, and his uncle had the business there, 246 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,800 and he was very good to give us work when we needed a few bob! 247 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,480 But, eh... Yeah, I worked on and off. 248 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,160 I was trying to remember in the '70s because my whole, my whole life 249 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,280 is a blur basically. 250 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,200 It'd be '76 when I worked there, '77. 251 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,120 I'd have been going back to college as well then 252 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,800 'cause I remember going... I worked for about a month or something 253 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,000 in it as well. 254 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,480 BRENDAN: My Mary's father 255 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,440 remembers coming in on a horse and cart from Rush 256 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,720 because they'd be bringing all their fruit and veg in. 257 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,880 And they'd come in. They'd be 20 miles out...Right. 258 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,000 bring the horse and cart into the market. And so that's his memory. 259 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,960 That was a kind of a day off for him, to come in with his da. 260 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,080 You know, on the horse and cart. Yeah. 261 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,720 (HORSE NEIGHS) 262 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,560 ARCHIVE FOOTAGE NARRATOR: In 1862, it was decided to provide 263 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,400 a market for Dublin but nothing happened for 30 years. 264 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,280 It was in 1892 that the Dublin fruit and vegetable market was set up 265 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,160 so that provisions for the city could be sold 266 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,960 in orderly and hygienic conditions. 267 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,960 It's quite an operation, isn't it? FRANCIS: Yeah. 268 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,320 BRENDAN: So that'd be from about 7 o'clock. 269 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,120 So Hughes's was the early start? Hughes's was an early house, yeah. 270 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,440 That's a city licence... Yeah. 271 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,200 ..that they were allowed to open early. So it was a special licence. 272 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,160 There'd be a number of them around the Capel Street area. 273 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,120 And it's all to do with this place...Yeah. 274 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,640 ..and the fish markets. The fish markets yeah. 275 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,760 So they had a special licence to open at 7 o'clock in the morning. 276 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,240 BRENDAN: What's going to happen to it?FRANCIS: Who knows? 277 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,480 Gonna be a fruit market again, completely refurbished 278 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,840 the whole building, and then it's gonna be refurbished 279 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,520 for fruit and veg. 280 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,320 FRANCIS: Again? Bit of an English Market. 281 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:39,120 FRANCIS: Oh right. Specialist. Gonna be a lovely job, yeah. 282 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,760 That'll be fantastic.My sister used to work here a long time ago. 283 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,360 FRANCIS: Yeah? BRENDAN: Your sister? 284 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,920 They used to have the prams, and then bring all the fruit up town 285 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,040 and sell it in Moore Street. FRANCIS: That's right. 286 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,880 And there was loads. Loads and loads of them. 287 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,880 They're all dead and gone now but they all had a good life, you know? 288 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,800 FRANCIS: Had a good life. Yeah, for sure, yeah. 289 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,600 God, it was a busy place, wasn't it though? 290 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,280 This was a massive place. Over there was a breakfast bar 291 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,000 where everyone got breakfast. They'd come in to get their flowers. 292 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,920 They'd get everything in here. FRANCIS: Yeah. 293 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,960 PAUL: The place was alive from four in the morning. 294 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,040 We're out of here the 8th April, and then it's county council. 295 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,200 They're coming in and they're gonna blitz the place. 296 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,560 So this is the last time we'll see it like this?PAUL: Yeah. 297 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,640 God, we got lucky didn't we! Jeez, fair dues to you! 298 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,200 Thanks for letting us in. Brilliant. 299 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,680 You want to have a selfie, Brendan? BRENDAN: Of course, yeah. 300 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,240 Might as well have one with you. You're looking well, Brendan! 301 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,600 You're looking well yourself! Doing great work. 302 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,040 BRENDAN: Listen, thanks a million. That was brilliant now. 303 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,720 Jeez, that was unexpected. Thanks a lot. 304 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,000 Anyone asks, you didn't see me. No, I didn't see you 305 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,560 Any Saturday morning in the next couple of weeks, I'll be here. 306 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,920 Yous can come in anytime. We've only got the couple of days 307 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,560 so this is amazing. Brilliant. Perfect.Great to meet ya anyway. 308 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,240 BRENDAN: Yeah you too.Brilliant. God Bless. Thank you very much. 309 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,600 (TRADITIONAL IRISH HORNPIPE PLAYS) 310 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,720 FRANCIS: Cool, isn't it? 311 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,680 BRENDAN: Who are the fab four? 312 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,040 Eh, they're Pillow Queens. They're an Irish band 313 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,520 and their album's coming out in a couple of weeks. 314 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,360 Brilliant! Jesus, great stuff. 315 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,240 It's all going on here, isn't it?! (CHUCKLES) 316 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,560 That's brilliant. Oh yeah, you were saying the motor tax office... 317 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,080 The motor tax office is here, yeah. You queued up in there to get... 318 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,520 You can see all the suits will start to walk around as well... 319 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,400 Yeah...for the courts. All the legal eagles. 320 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,400 (TRAFFIC HUM) 321 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,280 MORGAN REDMOND: I was a barrister in the '90s, 322 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,400 and all the big criminal trials at the time took place across the road. 323 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,240 So the guards, the solicitors, the barristers and some of the parties 324 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,680 would be over here for lunch, and especially in the snug... 325 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,560 lunchtime was bustling, and the rumours and the discussion 326 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,400 and so on. And it was it was an electric place. 327 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,960 The atmosphere was always electric. 328 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,680 So when you say "the parties", eh... are you talking about criminals? 329 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,360 Well, sometimes yeah. I mean, it was a mix and gathering of people. 330 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,960 You could find anybody. There was all little nooks and crannies 331 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,760 in this place. This was a neutral zone? 332 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,360 MORGAN: It was a neutral zone, and it's exactly the same now 333 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,920 as it was then. There was no pretensions. It was just a place 334 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,800 where you came in, you sat down, you sat beside somebody, 335 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,320 and they took you as you were, and you took them as they were 336 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,640 and that was it. That was the great thing about it. 337 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,960 It's a pub that was old school with personality of its own. 338 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,680 And that was the great thing about it: 339 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,800 everybody was equal when they came in here you know. 340 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,960 (ALL PLAY "THE HUNT") 341 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,080 Good man. 342 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,960 DAVE HUGHES: There was so many different times of day actually. 343 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,920 Like, the mornings when the fish market was open, 344 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,880 you used to have everyone coming in having their one-and-ones, 345 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,280 which was a glass with either tea or coffee in it, and a shot of whiskey. 346 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,920 BRENDAN: Right. That was a one-and-one?That was a one-and-one. 347 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,560 DAVE: And then the courts would start up 348 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,320 and you'd get all the barristers and the cops and a few accused 349 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:20,560 but then the music sort of came in and it changed it, just... 350 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,800 It changed the vibe of the place, which was great 351 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,800 because it actually made it feel more like a home away from home. 352 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,640 In the music community, so many people, 353 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,760 when they come together, that's their family, and... 354 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,080 you'd see, like different groups all the time during the week 355 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:38,200 coming in and you'd have sort of set dancers coming in. 356 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,320 That was their family gathering for the week. 357 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:42,800 (DANCERS WHOOPING AND YELPING) 358 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,520 MARTIN: I remember the summer of '85.BRENDAN: Yeah. 359 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,160 MARTIN: 'Cause I remember the nights here when Brendan started playing, 360 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,560 Brendan Begley. We knew Brendan through 361 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,080 my mother's brother Vincent... 362 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,560 God rest him, he died. He was married to Brendan's sister, 363 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,960 the singer Eileen Begley. 364 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,840 So Brendan started playing a few tunes on a Monday night, 365 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840 and within weeks, the place was packed. 366 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,920 You talk about the bush telegraph... 367 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,400 BRENDAN: Yeah! ..it took off like wildfire! 368 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,920 MAN SHOUTS: Faster! 369 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,320 MARTIN: I was only about 12 at the time. I'd be out getting glasses. 370 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,960 The place would be heaving. And the thing that really struck us 371 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,480 was that everyone knew each other. It was like this instant party... 372 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,120 Yeah...and we're kinda goin', "Who are these?" 373 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,520 You know, "What is this scene?" You know, "Who are these people?" 374 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,280 And they all were great socialisers, great, um... 375 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,720 They just loved music and chatting. They were just a brilliant crowd. 376 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,960 Fun. And that's... MARTIN: And fun!Yeah. 377 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,240 And it was like a gift, you know, because it kind of... um... 378 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,320 You don't know how anything's going to turn out in a place. 379 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,560 No. You can't... It's... 380 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,040 You can try to set a tone but, sure, that never works, you know? 381 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,440 BRENDAN: Yeah.So the tone that lands in a place, 382 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,040 you know, you never know what you're going to get. 383 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,400 (MERRY WHOOPING AND LAUGHTER, INDISTINCT CHATTER) 384 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,320 (MUSIC ENDS, CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 385 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,240 So, Brendan, you're the genesis of all this carry-on 386 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,320 from what I hear! Is that true? 387 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,760 Well, as Sean Garvey used to say, 388 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,800 "If the cat had fish gills, I'd get blamed for it!" 389 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,840 (LAUGHTER) 390 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,520 Well, I remember in maybe around 1984, 391 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,080 Terry Moylan contacted me: would I play for set dancers. 392 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,920 And I had got a scalding from set dancers from competitions 393 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,840 and the arguments that ensued, so I kind of gave him the slip. 394 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,520 (LAUGHTER)He rang another time then and he said, "Would we have a ceili 395 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,160 down at the Ormond Hotel?" and I said "Who else is there?" 396 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,680 And he mentioned a few people like Aidan Vaughan. 397 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,760 Ah, lovely.Sure, I gave it a go. I had a great night. 398 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,040 ("THE KILFENORA/THE KILRUSH/THE 4TH FIGURE OF THE PLAIN SET") 399 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,840 ("THE KILFENORA/THE KILRUSH/THE 4TH FIGURE OF THE PLAIN SET" CONTINUES) 400 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,160 BRENDAN: That summer of '85, 401 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,840 my sister and her husband Vincent Loughnane, 402 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,800 he said "My sister has a pub here called Hughes's 403 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,400 and they're trying to... They have a fairly low trade at nighttime." 404 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,440 BRENDAN: Yeah. "All their business is daytime". 405 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,600 So we came in here on a Monday night. 406 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,280 I think it was Gerry Bevan, Steve Cooney and Vinnie Kilduff 407 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,440 and maybe seven or eight set dancers from the Pipers' Club. 408 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,320 Yeah. It kind of grew from there, 409 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,120 and it... it was fantastic. 410 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,720 'Twas the first pub in Dublin that had set dancing. 411 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,000 ("THE KILFENORA/THE KILRUSH/THE 4TH FIGURE OF THE PLAIN SET") 412 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,080 (MUSIC CHANGES) 413 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,120 People started coming in on Tuesday nights then 414 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,840 and sometimes there was such a crowd here, 415 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,680 there'd be another session inside the snug, and the two would be going 416 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160 and one wouldn't hear the other. The place would be thronged. 417 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,760 Yeah. PAUL: I think what happened here 418 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,080 then was actually magical. It was brilliant for music. I really do. 419 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,760 I think it was amazing for music, to be honest with you. 420 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,040 And the other thing that was great about here, especially for me, 421 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,840 like, I was playing with Brendan so you'd have tunes from West Kerry. 422 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,200 Then Dermot with tunes from Donegal, southwest Donegal, 423 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,600 all of Dermot's great tunes. Mary McNamara was another one 424 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,920 who also played here so you had all these East Clare tunes 425 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,760 and then I had my tunes from Navan Road. 426 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,880 So it was a great melting pot, meeting musicians 427 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,040 from different parts of the country. It was great. 428 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,000 (UP TEMPO IRISH MUSIC PLAYS) 429 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,240 Its loss is hugely felt in the city at the moment... 430 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,400 traditional musicians in the city have very, very few options 431 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,280 of places to play where the music is respected and understood, 432 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,280 and this was one of the places where it was. 433 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,240 (UP TEMPO IRISH MUSIC PLAYS) 434 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080 (DANCER WHOOPS, MUSIC ENDS) 435 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 436 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,040 In the early '70s, mid '70s like, there was folk clubs 437 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520 every night of the week. There was so many of Jthem. 438 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Some nights, there was two folk clubs going on in Dublin, 439 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,280 and that was kind of the way till the early '80s or so. 440 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,440 Around that time, singers' clubs started to pop up, like the Goilin, 441 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,800 and then the set dancing started to become very popular 442 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,440 around the country and here in the city. 443 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,600 So a lot of the people who went to the gigs 444 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,200 ended up going to the singers' clubs and set dancing clubs. 445 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,440 While it was great to bring musicians in here, 446 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,720 it did a lot of harm as well because, you know, 447 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,960 there was folk clubs in Slattery's. They had a great folk club up there. 448 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,480 PAUL: The Tradition Club. The Tradition Club, yeah. 449 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,960 And I think it kind of killed that off because people had to pay 450 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,120 going in there, whereas there was great music happening here free. 451 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840 BRENDAN: Yeah, but there was a change of scene anyway wasn't there? 452 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,760 There was a change of scene. That change was coming, I think, anyway. 453 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640 I remember going around Dublin, myself and Mary, in the early '80s 454 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400 on a St Patrick's Day and we couldn't find anywhere with music. 455 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,600 I know! But it was hard. A lot of pubs didn't want it, 456 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240 sure they didn't?No.They thought it was...There was no culture 457 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,880 of playing in pubs so playing music in sessions in pubs 458 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,720 wasn't something I grew up... 459 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,080 I grew up playing music in the Pipers' Club in Thomas Street. 460 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,080 It was very family-oriented. The McKennas, the Mulligans... 461 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,760 all of us were there. Also a lot of visitors. 462 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,680 BRENDAN: Right. If there's matches on in town, 463 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,280 they'd come from Tipperary or Donegal or Sligo, wherever, 464 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,880 and they'd all visit the Pipers' Club on a Saturday night. 465 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,280 But on Thomas Street, it was sacrosanct that you listened, 466 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,360 you know, it was really important that you listen. 467 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,080 And Mick, in his own way, kind of developed that here. 468 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,320 So it was a really good fit for us because we wanted to listen 469 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,400 as well as play. 470 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,800 There's a lack of social spaces, like, in a real kind of a... 471 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,960 - speaking about Dublin problems - 472 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120 there's a lack of places to sit down and not spend money 473 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,520 and be in other people's company without having to buy something. 474 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,440 And, like, I know the whole idea of a pub is that you buy a drink but... 475 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520 (OTHERS AGREEING) It was kind of... 476 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,880 Yeah, and The Cobblestone isn't really like that either. 477 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520 You can sit down and drink a glass of water over there if you want to 478 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,120 as long as you're playing a few tunes. And there's not a whole lot 479 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280 of other establishments around town where you can do that. 480 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,080 ("THE HUMOURS OF BALLYLOUGHLIN/ FRAHER'S" CONTINUES) 481 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,600 GAY McKEON: We used to invite people to come and sing 482 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,400 and often Frank Harte would come in and sit up there 483 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640 and even... I wouldn't be inclined to play slow airs out in public 484 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880 but he'd always ask me so I got into the habit 485 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,160 of playing airs here on a Sunday night if somebody asked me. 486 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400 Or people would come in and dance, you know, solo-dance, 487 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,240 maybe the odd time there'd be a set. 488 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,920 There might be festivals down the country, and we'd always go home 489 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,240 and make it in here 'cause this was something different. 490 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,560 LIAM O'CONNOR: And this was a place 491 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160 you could listen, and appreciate good music. 492 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,720 You could hear the jokes and the craic between tunes. 493 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,680 That's something that was special here, 494 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:26,520 that social spontaneity knitted the music together, 495 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,320 and people's relationships and personalities 496 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,440 were bonded between the tunes. 497 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,520 The music was kind of the magnet, and I think Mick and Martin knew 498 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,000 how to nurture and protect and foster that. 499 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,280 "THE HUMOURS OF BALLYLOUGHLIN/ FRAHER'S" CONTINUES PLAYING) 500 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,480 (MUSIC ENDS, APPLAUSE) 501 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,800 GUITARIST: "Mr By Jove", yeah. A man came in, he was... 502 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,920 Who? "Mr By Jove". 503 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,960 IMITATES POSH ENGLISH ACCENT: Awfully nice man. 504 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440 "Absolutely wonderful music!" And he left 20 quid in the jar. 505 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800 BRENDAN: Ah, go 'way? The "By Jove" money, we called it! 506 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,280 GUITARIST: Jeez, we got about two years out of that didn't we! 507 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,200 SEAN McKEON: Jesus! Twenty quid goes a long way! 508 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,440 Twenty quid goes a long way in those days! 509 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,960 MUIREANN: The chats are a big part of it, and even in Covid, like, 510 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,520 we stopped playing music all of a sudden 511 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,960 and I took out a banjo one day, and I was like, "This is rubbish". 512 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640 It's no good by yourself, 513 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,840 and I realised how much the social connection 514 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,240 is such a definitive part of Irish music. 515 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,760 Yeah, wasn't he well into his 80s or something? 516 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,600 Right. He was fairly old. He loved the music. 517 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,280 MARY: He used to come over here on a Sunday, yeah. 518 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,240 LIAM: It's not just any old pub. It's not replaceable. 519 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,040 It's like a habitat for... 520 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,960 If it was for some protected snail or something, you know, 521 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,040 it wouldn't be allowed to close, you know? 522 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,360 "A habitat"! 523 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,440 The musical equivalent of David Attenborough 524 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,040 would be asking people to preserve these type of things! 525 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,360 But it's hard to find and distinguish that from, you know... 526 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560 BRENDAN: Paddywhackery. Exactly, yeah. 527 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200 MARTIN HUGHES: The engine was just purring nicely, you know? 528 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:15,040 Everyone was enjoying themselves. Monday became Monday-and-Wednesday. 529 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,840 Then it became Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 530 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,200 Then you'd have someone saying, 531 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,520 "Is there anyone playing in the snug on a Tuesday night?" 532 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,760 Yeah. "Oh, knock yourself out." 533 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,360 And then there'd be a session, say, that would go on for 15 years. 534 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,800 I know, yeah. Pearl O'Shaughnessy was there for ages. 535 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,040 Pearl was... decades, you know? 536 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,720 And she was extraordinary... 537 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,280 ..such a generous... What a lady, yeah. 538 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,800 Such a lady, and so generous in her patience with... 539 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,480 Yeah.You know, she'd invited beginners in to play and foster them 540 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,280 and that session would become a jewel to them. 541 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,240 ("THE IRISH GIANTS/ THE BROKEN LANTERN" CONTINUES) 542 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,680 PAUL O'SHAUGHNESSY: The session that my mother used to go to 543 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,120 she was the continuation from the old Church Street session 544 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,720 that a lot of musicians talk about. 545 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,000 That was a session that gave 546 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,440 an awful lot of musicians a start, and gave them a place to go. 547 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,320 ("THE IRISH GIANTS/ THE BROKEN LANTERN" CONTINUES) 548 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,840 It was a place you could go out without any intention 549 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,160 of playing a tune, 550 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,960 and you could meet people at the bar and have a chat. 551 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,320 Or, if the notion took you, if there was a session going on, 552 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000 you could join in and play that, sit down and play a tune if you want. 553 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,720 It was great to have it and we'd have been lost in this city 554 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,840 for about 20, 30 years if we hadn't had it... 555 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,880 we'd have been seriously lost for a place to go out 556 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,160 and play a tune and relax. 557 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,720 ("THE IRISH GIANTS/ THE BROKEN LANTERN" CONTINUES) 558 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,280 MAN: Lovely, Paul. 559 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,120 (DISTANT CLAPPING AND GENTLE STRUMMING FADE IN) 560 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,840 ("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES) 561 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,760 In terms of the family then, they were all part of it too, 562 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,400 weren't they?Yeah, the memory I'd have of here as regards family is 563 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,520 when my eldest daughter was born, I was supposed to come in here 564 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,920 and play 'cause she was born on St Patrick's Day 33 years ago, Aoife. 565 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,320 And I remember on the way to the Coombe saying to Tom: 566 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,360 "Will you ring the lads and tell them I won't be in Hughes's?" 567 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,040 And I got a message back saying: "Tell her that's no excuse." 568 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,080 (BRENDAN LAUGHING UNCONTROLLABLY) Brilliant! 569 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,240 And I had a similar story because I remember when I was 570 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,480 having the twins, I had the case in the boot of the car, and nobody knew 571 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,840 because I knew, "Ah..." And, like that, I had gone into labour 572 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,240 and I said, "Oh look, I'll just go in and have a few tunes, 573 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,040 and then I'll go into the hospital"! (BRENDAN LAUGHS HEARTILY) 574 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,640 Which is exactly what I did do! 575 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,600 ("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES) 576 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,280 We would sit down there and we would play tunes, 577 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,200 and the locals would be up here. 578 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,400 And there was a great respect from us for them, 579 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,840 and from them for us, you know? 580 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,040 And, over the years, we got to know each other. 581 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,680 Like, I mean Dolly and Jimmy would sit at the bar. 582 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,040 I think I knew everything about Dolly's children and grandchildren 583 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,400 by the time I was finished, you know? 584 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,440 There was weeks, I think Gay decided, 585 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,640 that they must have had a birthday every weekend 586 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120 because there was a birthday cake handed in behind the bar, 587 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,960 and they'd send the birthday cake down to us! 588 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,600 But like there was a great respect. 589 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,560 ("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES) 590 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,800 When the pandemic happened, that social interaction wasn't happening 591 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,720 so did you find it rough, like? 592 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,680 I... couldn't play at all. I had great intentions, 593 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,280 and go and learn new tunes every week and all the rest of it. 594 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,560 Started off great, took the fiddle out and went: 595 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,040 "OK, what do I play?" 'Cause I NEVER play at home. 596 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,440 I only ever played when I went out. And, eh... after about two weeks, 597 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,560 I just had to leave it there because it just made me sad. 598 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,000 I felt so sad because the music just brought back the memories. 599 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,520 With the result now, I have to go and relearn everything 600 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,000 'cause I've all the second parts of every tune mixed up! 601 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,080 (BRENDAN CHUCKLES) 602 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,040 ("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES) 603 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,160 BRENDAN: It is about the people, isn't it? 604 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,280 PAUL: Who you're with, yeah. Very much so. 605 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,600 It gives the whole context to it. Without people around listening 606 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,240 to you, talking to you, mixing tunes with other people, it's... it's... 607 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,320 For me, it loses an awful lot. Loses nearly everything. 608 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,280 ("CAPERCUCITU" CONTINUES) 609 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,600 (APPLAUSE) 610 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,040 BARRY: You had dancing, singing... BRENDAN: Yeah. Yeah. 611 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,080 BARRY: ..loads of music, and eh... and lawyers, 612 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,960 and the people from the markets. You had everything! All human life. 613 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,880 BRENDAN: I know. Antaine would have been here from the beginning too... 614 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,400 BARRY: Oh yeah. BRENDAN: Because he was set-dancing.BARRY: Yeah, he was. 615 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,600 So you'd see his big head bobbing away in there, 616 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,000 hitting off the roof, and then he'd be in here singing sean-nos. 617 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,200 Was it the Sean-Nos Cois Life? 618 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,640 BARRY: They were here for donkey's years. 619 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,320 The last day would be on the Sunday in Hughes's 620 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,920 which was always a brilliant session. 621 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,200 I often went down to it myself. Generally the Sunday here now 622 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,960 would be... (SPEAKS IRISH) 623 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,680 (SPEAKS ENGLISH) because it was the... 624 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,720 (SPEAKS IRISH) 625 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,200 (SEAN-NOS SONG SUNG IN IRISH FADES IN) 626 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,520 # ..Agus, a bho, a bho, mo lao 627 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,120 # A bho, mo leanbh 's ce dearfadh nach i? 628 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,240 # O, cuirfidh me coiste faoi Bhaba 'Con Ri 629 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,360 # O, cuirfidh me coiste faoi Bhaba 'Con Ri 630 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,560 # Cuirfidh me coiste faoi Bhaba 'Con Ri 631 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,880 # O, 's seanphoitin gliomach 's rothai 'gabhail faoi 632 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,160 # Agus, a bho, a bho, mo lao 633 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:20,760 # A bho, mo leanbh 's ce dearfadh nach i? 634 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,560 # Nuair a bhionns mna mhuintir Uaithnin ag caitheamh cloth shawl 635 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,760 # Nuair a bhionns mna mhuintir Uaithnin ag caitheamh cloth shawl 636 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,480 # Nuair a bhionns mna mhuintir Uaithnin ag caitheamh cloth shawl 637 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,960 # O, ta Baba sin againne 's pluid ar a ceann 638 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,920 # Agus, a bho, a bho, mo lao 639 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,360 # A bho, mo leanbh 's ce dearfadh nach i? # 640 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,360 (TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC PLAYING) 641 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,680 BRENDAN: So who was the previous owner of the pub then? 642 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,080 MARTIN HUGHES: It was a guy called Bill O'Hara. 643 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,320 He sold the place in '53. I don't know what became of him 644 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,560 but he was here for a long time. 645 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,160 After the shelling of the Four Courts, 646 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,880 a few stray shells had rocked the foundation 647 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080 so they had to rebuild it in 1927. 648 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,480 So the previous state, we're not sure of. 649 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,000 It's a bit murky. I've been to the Land Registry and all but... 650 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,960 So Michael Collins blew up this pub? 651 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,760 MARTIN: He did, and the funny thing is 652 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,000 when, when, when... you were making that movie 'Michael Collins' 653 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,120 I got woken up the morning you were...(BRENDAN CHUCKLES) 654 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,400 you were reproducing that! Oh! 655 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,360 MARTIN: This racket! Banging going off! 656 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,800 (TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC PLAYING) 657 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,680 My father's father bought here in 1953, 658 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:50,280 and he's the M on the sign outside, and I was named after him obviously. 659 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,280 He was a Tipperary man. He took over here 660 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,680 and he ran it with his wife Rita who was a Dublin lady. 661 00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,080 They both died of TB. 662 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,680 (TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC CONTINUES) 663 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,880 Dad was running here from when he was 19. 664 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,200 He went to college for one day, and he said: 665 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,920 "Nah! I think I'd prefer the pub." So he took over here. 666 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,160 (TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC CONTINUES PLAYING) 667 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,440 BRENDAN: It needs a certain kind of skill to be a particular 668 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,880 type of barman, and Mick had that innate quality, didn't he? 669 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,400 He was just... 670 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,640 He was an extraordinary man because he was like 671 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,960 one of those old conductors you'd see in black and white, 672 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,520 who'd make the tiniest gesture with his hand 673 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,000 but the guy 50 feet away knew exactly what he wanted. 674 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,000 DAVE HUGHES: He knew, if someone came in 675 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,240 and they just wanted a paper and wanted to be left alone, 676 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680 he'd be handing them the paper by the time they got to the bar. 677 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,000 He was the Mr Consistency here for so many people, 678 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,040 and no matter who you were, you came through the door, 679 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,240 he'd give you the once-over look 680 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,400 and if he thought you were fine, you were in and that was it. 681 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,480 MARIE: People spoke to Michael a bit like a confessional often. 682 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,800 You know, people came in. But they knew he would never repeat 683 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,800 which he didn't, stories that they would tell, personal things. 684 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,840 No, yeah. And he never did. 685 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,280 He wouldn't even tell me about what they were talking about, you know? 686 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,480 ("PADDY FROM PORTLAW/THE WHISTLER AT THE WAKE" (C. VINCENT) CONTINUES) 687 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,920 MUIREANN BANKS: Myself and Eimear both have brothers who play music, 688 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,840 and they used to go off for sessions, 689 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960 and we'd only ever find out about them after the fact!(LAUGHTER) 690 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,600 And one day, we just got fed-up and we said: 691 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,640 "That's it! The women are going to have their own session." 692 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,280 And we just put the call out, and there was probably, on and off, 693 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,840 maybe 10 or 12 of us that would come in for a tune every Tuesday night. 694 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,560 BRENDAN: Yeah. Often, the place would be empty, 695 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,680 and there'd be a session down the back and a session in the snug. 696 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,480 And that was it, just two sessions, and Mick on the bar. 697 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,200 BRENDAN: Yeah. And, uh... 698 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,680 ..he'd always land out with a few ham sandwiches! 699 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,280 And then after a while, we were like: 700 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,600 "No, Mick, no more sandwiches. We're watching... 701 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,360 (LAUGHTER) ..the hips!" 702 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,160 MUIREANN: But it reached a point then with, you know, 703 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,680 typical women, there were nights we came in here and by 11.30, 704 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,480 we'd be like, "Lads, we haven't played a tune." 705 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,000 All we were doing was talking. 706 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,520 Yeah! And there'd be cake 707 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,440 and there'd be birthday celebrations. 708 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,720 There was always a celebration. Yeah, always. 709 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,920 And Mick would pop his head in, he'd be like: 710 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,160 "What are you celebrating tonight?" (LAUGHTER) 711 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,480 Paula Hanley texted us and she wasn't going to make it 712 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,560 and she just wrote, "I'm not going to make Fanny Power tonight." 713 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,240 That was it. We became Fanny Power. 714 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,200 So for anyone who's not a musician, 715 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,960 Fanny Power is a tune written by O'Carolan! 716 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,880 But it evolved from Fanny Power into us becoming The Fannies. 717 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,800 BRENDAN: Yeah.So then Mick, the hatch would open: 718 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,680 "How are da Fannies?" (LAUGHTER) 719 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,880 And, uh, me mother was the Queen of the Fannies, and... you know? 720 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,720 BRENDAN: Oh lovely! We had Fannies On Tour. 721 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,360 We went to London for the Camden trad fest, and... 722 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920 Yeah, it evolved from there. So we've loads of great memories. 723 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,960 And we've had births, marriages, engagements, break-ups, the works. 724 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,800 BRENDAN: Yeah, how does that work? EIMEAR: All celebrated here. 725 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,720 ("PADDY FROM PORTLAW/THE WHISTLER AT THE WAKE" (C. VINCENT) CONTINUES) 726 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,240 (MUSIC ENDS) 727 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,440 (TRAM RUMBLES) 728 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,080 (TRAM RUMBLES) 729 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,960 ("SLIABH NA MBAN" PLAYING) 730 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,320 ("SLIABH NA MBAN" CONTINUES) 731 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,880 Himself and Mum, they were down in Killaloe. 732 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,560 I was locking up here one night with Joe. Remember Joe who... 733 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:06,880 Yeah. ..who worked for my dad 734 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,680 since the late '70s. Joe Turner, brilliant man. 735 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,640 And, um... Joe was just leav... 736 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,200 I was closing the side door, I got a phone call from my mother 737 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,840 and she was upset and she said, "Your father's very bad." 738 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,600 And I knew there was something... I said, "OK, I'm coming." 739 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,640 ("SLIABH NA MBAN" CONTINUES) 740 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,480 Turns out, he had a massive heart attack, 741 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,680 and, um, they brought him to Limerick General. 742 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,640 So I got in the car, drove up, collected Dave, 743 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,040 this was 1 o'clock in the morning, 744 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,560 got to Limerick General at 2.35 'cause, you know, I didn't know... 745 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,400 Now he never made it to the hospital as it turns out. 746 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,400 It was a huge shock because, you know, 747 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,680 he was still playing golf a couple of time... 748 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,520 He looked great. He felt great. BRENDAN: Yeah! Yeah. 749 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,720 One thing though, I can say in hindsight 750 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,760 is that I'm so glad that he was such an active, happy guy. 751 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,640 I wish he had another 10, 15 years. Yeah, of course. 752 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,360 He was 75 years of age but the positives were that he, uh... 753 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,320 he loved his life, you know? 754 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,880 He adored my mother. He adored the family. 755 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,360 Um, he-he just... he was really the happiest man I know. 756 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,400 (DRONES INTENSIFY) 757 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,680 ("SLIABH NA MBAN" ENDS) (LISTENERS CLAP AND COMPLIMENT) 758 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:27,720 GAY: Thank you. 759 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,560 I was lying awake one night. I couldn't sleep 760 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,960 and I was flicking through YouTube, and up came a suggested video. 761 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,040 It was Elvis Presley, 'It's Now or Never', 762 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,520 and I remember goin' 763 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,240 "I'm getting a text message from the universe...(BRENDAN LAUGHS) 764 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,640 ..through Elvis Presley!" BRENDAN: Who better?! 765 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,240 Who better?! And if you... 766 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,560 You know, and I remember just goin', "It is... If the time to do... 767 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,440 "If I'm going to do it, now's the time to do it." 768 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,960 BRENDAN: Yeah, yeah. It felt right, 769 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,760 and we were chatting about it as a family. 770 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,240 You know, I just came to a decision 771 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,160 that now'd be a nice time. 772 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,480 Like, we've had a great run. BRENDAN: Yeah. 773 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,320 It would feel... This feels like a good time now to just wrap it up. 774 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,880 There was a lot of smelling of roses during the pandemic anyway 775 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,040 with a lot of different people in terms of their life. 776 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,560 You're going after the music? 777 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,520 Yeah, I-I... Teaching and freelance playing, 778 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,080 and, you know, which I always did a bit on the side 779 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,720 but I'd enjoy it a lot more now just with that bit of space to breathe. 780 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,280 (PIGEONS COOING) 781 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,840 (SLOW, FLUTTERING MELODY ON CLASSICAL FLUTE PLAYS) 782 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,040 (FINAL NOTES DESCEND) 783 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,440 (MUSIC ENDS, DISTANT BIRDSONG) 784 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,960 What do I think of the legacy here in Hughes's? 785 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,800 You'll be seeing in the fullness, it having had an iconic role to play 786 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,600 in traditional music, song and dance in Dublin. 787 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,480 You know, when I go to places like, say, Paris, and, eh... 788 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,400 I always feel like somewhere like that, I'm 120 years too late. 789 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,680 Places like that, that Hemingway and Joyce and all these people hung out. 790 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,560 But I think we'll look back and be so fortunate 791 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,000 that we experienced and lived in something when it was at its height. 792 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,120 We're gonna miss this place so much. 793 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,440 I know. MARY: And we had no farewell night. 794 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,960 I have to say, I missed that. BRENDAN: Yeah. 795 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,560 I mean, I would have loved to say: 796 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,080 "OK, this is going to be our last night. Let's give it socks." 797 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,240 You know? It kind of just filtered away. 798 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,080 Places like this come and go. BRENDAN: Yeah. 799 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,320 And maybe it's part of the natural order that they go too, you know? 800 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,800 Like, I was thinking of Cullens', you know? Uh... here, you know? 801 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,080 I can think of other places like Hiudai Beag's 802 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,960 up in Gaoth Dobhair which, thankfully, is still going strong. 803 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,040 But maybe you can't pin them down. You can't... 804 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,720 You know, it's not a flag in the Arts Council map, you know? 805 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,080 Like, build a venue and tick a box. 806 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,560 And, you know, the place up the road as well, The Cobblestone, like... 807 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,200 they're almost like twins in that sense. 808 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:30,120 I mean, The Cobblestone is more out there public maybe. 809 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,600 Well, that's interesting too. It was really refreshing to me 810 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,280 that people began to value what The Cobblestone is 811 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,080 before they knocked it down. SEAN: Yeah. 812 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,840 And the difference between that and here 813 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,880 is that this is, you know, this is closing its doors gently. 814 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,560 Not driven to it. Not driven out. Yeah. Yeah. 815 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,560 And so it feels... There's something glorious about just... 816 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,080 Well, its time has come maybe? You know, that... 817 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,160 ..you know, like... 818 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,640 Thank God for Mick, and thank God for Martin: 819 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,920 the way they looked after this place and everybody that was in it. 820 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,640 BRENDAN: Yeah. And we'll be forever grateful 821 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,120 to them for that. But sometimes maybe, you know... 822 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,040 things have to move on or change. 823 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,720 BRENDAN: Yeah. But The Cobblestone isn't ready yet. 824 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,920 SEAN: Yeah. And people need to continue 825 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,160 to value the places that are there, and just... and get out of the way 826 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,920 and stop... just leave them alone. 827 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,120 Yeah, yeah. 828 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,320 Yeah. 829 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,400 SEAN: Yep. 830 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,880 (REEL ON UILLEANN PIPES FADES IN) 831 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,280 (OTHER INSTRUMENTS JOIN IN) 832 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,000 (REEL FADES OUT) 833 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,400 MAN SINGING A CAPPELLA: # In Dublin's fair city 834 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,000 # Where the girls are so pretty 835 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,000 # I first set my eyes 836 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,360 # On sweet Molly Malone 837 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,640 # As she wheeled her wheelbarra' 838 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,760 # Through the streets broad and narra' 839 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:10,160 # Cryin' "Cockles and mussels 840 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:16,160 # Alive-alive-oh" 841 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,840 # Now, she died of the fever 842 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,360 # And no one could save her 843 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,280 # And that was the end of 844 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:33,360 # sweet Molly Malone 845 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,040 # But her ghost wheels her barra' 846 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:42,000 # through the streets broad and narra' 847 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:50,280 # Cryin' "Cockles and mussels 848 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:56,840 # Alive-alive-oh" 849 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,800 # Alive alive-oh-oh 850 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,400 # Alive alive-oh-oh 851 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:15,520 # Cryin' "Cockles and mussels 852 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:23,840 # Alive-alive-oh" # 853 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,800 Whee! 854 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,840 Subtitles by Sky Access Services www.skyaccessibility.sky 92860

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