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In the criminal justice system,
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sexually based offenses
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are considered
especially heinous.
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In New York City, the
dedicated detectives
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who investigate these
vicious felonies
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are members of an elite squad
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known as the Special
Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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Yo, Eddie!
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Gino's guy dropped off
that square stock for us.
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Where do you want it?
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Over by the bending jig.
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You gonna be here late?
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Should have never said yes
to this brownstone job.
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You want me to stay, boss?
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I can help you with
all that scrollwork.
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No, no, no, no. Go home
to your girlfriend.
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- Are you sure?
- Yeah.
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Get out of here before
I change my mind.
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I'll see you tomorrow.
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You want me to lock up?
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Nah, leave it open.
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I need the air.
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โช Clean shirt, new shoes โช
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โช And I don't know
where I am going to โช
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โช Silk suit, black tie โช
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โช I don't need a
reason why-y-y โช
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โช They come running just
as fast as they can โช
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โช 'Cause every girl crazy
'bout a sharp-dressed man โช
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Eddie! You in there?
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Dad, can we just go home?
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Hey, you wanna get your
last paycheck or what?
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He probably left for the night.
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Left? Light's still on.
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Oh!
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It's open. He's
in there. Go on.
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- By myself?
- Yeah.
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You're gonna own up
to your mistakes,
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look your boss in the
eye, and apologize.
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And who knows?
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Maybe get your job back.
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I told you, I don't
want my job back.
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Get in there. Go ahead.
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Eddie?
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Eddie?
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Eddie?
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Eddie!
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Eddie?
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Dad! Help!
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Sam?
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What's going on?
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Is he dead?
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Oh, geez. Hey. Hey, all right.
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Wait
outside. Wait outside.
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What are we looking at?
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Vic is Eddie Upshaw, shop owner.
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Hit on the head, some
kind of blunt instrument.
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On his way to the hospital.
They think he'll pull through.
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- Can we talk to him?
- Not yet.
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So the 911 caller mentioned
a possible sexual assault?
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Upshaw was found
stripped, pants down,
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sodomized with an object.
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And whoever did this carved
something on his back.
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Carved his back?
What did they write?
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- A bunch of numbers.
- Who found him?
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Kid, over there.
Sam Carson, 17.
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Works here. Came
by with his father.
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A little late to be showing
up for work, isn't it?
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Yeah, let's find out why.
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Velasco and I will
search the shop.
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Okay, find the weapon
he was hit with
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and what they used
to carve up his back.
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My son Sam works as
an apprentice here.
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At least, I did.
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Did?
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I messed something up on a job.
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Eddie yelled at me, so I quit.
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- Why did you come back?
- To get my last paycheck.
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And to man up for what he did.
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At night?
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Yeah, I told him to,
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you know, make it
right with Eddie
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as soon as he got out of school.
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I must've gotten sidetracked.
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Kid's got a new girlfriend.
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So what time were
you with her until?
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Until my dad called me,
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mad that I hadn't
gone to see Eddie yet.
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I probably shouldn't have
sent him in here alone.
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So, Sam, you're the one
that found Mr. Upshaw?
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Yeah.
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He was hanging from a pole.
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His pants were down.
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There was blood on
his legs and back.
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So did you see anybody else
in here, or anybody leave?
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No, I didn't see nothing.
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Okay, thank you.
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If we have any more
questions, we'll get in touch.
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He's gonna live, right?
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We don't know yet.
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Come on.
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Find anything?
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Place is full of hammers, pipes.
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Nothing with blood on it
except the angle grinder.
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Okay, have 'em bag everything.
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What do we know about
this Upshaw guy?
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Divorced, three kids.
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We found his cell phone,
and his ex-wife is listed
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as his emergency contact.
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Okay, send that to TARU.
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Check his last calls.
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A lot of potential
weapons in here.
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This Upshaw guy have
any financial trouble?
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No record.
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He makes a little more
than 100,000 a year.
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So kind of an unremarkable guy.
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Not anymore.
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Yeah, but still, an
older man getting
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sexually assaulted like this?
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It's gotta be rare.
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First time for everything.
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Eddie Upshaw, small
business owner
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of a welding shop, working late.
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All right. No security cams?
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We found one that was
installed decades ago.
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Takes VHS tapes...
not operational.
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We did find an angle grinder
with Eddie's blood on it,
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but the only prints
were Eddie's.
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And no sign of forced entry?
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Whoever it was, Eddie
either let him in
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or they walked in
through the open door.
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Okay, could he
have been expecting
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the kid and his father?
- Maybe.
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Eddie and the kid, Sam,
they had a falling out.
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The kid quit.
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He was coming back
for his last paycheck.
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We really think a
teenager clubbed a guy,
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sodomized him, and then
carved a date into his back?
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Could be a combination.
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It meant something to someone.
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So where was the kid and his
father before they found him?
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Father was at work.
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Kid was with his girlfriend.
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So follow up, confirm.
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You think Sam was involved?
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He wasn't even alive in 2001.
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From what we know, the
guy was well-liked.
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No one is well-liked
by everyone, right?
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Somebody was sending a message.
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So find out who in Eddie's
life could have done this...
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a disgruntled
employee, an angry ex?
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I mean, this is
clearly personal.
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Eddie gonna be okay?
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He's getting treated.
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So what do you know?
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Not much.
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I showed up for
work this morning.
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Cops told me what happened.
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When's the last
time you saw him?
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Yesterday around 8:00.
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We were working. He
told me to go home.
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So he was alone?
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With the music on.
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Told me to leave the door open.
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How long have you
been working for him?
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Four, almost five years.
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Have you ever heard of any
employee complaining about him?
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No. Eddie's a solid dude.
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Payroll is always on
time. Checks never bounce.
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Okay, what about
his personal life?
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He never talks about it.
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Have you ever noticed anyone
sketchy coming around here?
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No.
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Besides vendors and clients,
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the only people who come
around here are apprentices.
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Like the kid who found Eddie.
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Sam? Yeah.
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We heard that they
had some beef.
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The kid cut through the
hose on our MIG welder
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with a Sawzall by accident.
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So why'd Sam quit?
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Sam doesn't always use
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the common sense
that God gave him.
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But he's a good kid...
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eager, quick study.
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Has he ever talked to you
about his new girlfriend?
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No, but I can see why he quit.
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Thanks.
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Yeah, Sam is my boyfriend.
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I mean, more like a friend.
Not like we do anything.
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Is my daughter in
some kind of trouble?
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No, not at all.
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We just wanna know if
you saw Sam yesterday.
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Did you?
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Yes.
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Just for a little
bit, after school.
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Did he happen to
talk about his boss?
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Mr. Upshaw?
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Yeah.
- What'd he say?
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He'd tell me what he
learned about welding,
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when Eddie was nice or when
he'd get pissed at him.
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What was he pissed about?
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Normal boss stuff.
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Sam said he broke a
tool or something.
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He says Eddie yelled at him.
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How long did you and
Sam hang out yesterday?
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Only for a little
while after school.
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Until what time?
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I was home by 4:00.
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Why?
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So Sam Carson's alibi
doesn't check out.
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He wasn't with his girlfriend.
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All right, what
about the father?
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Nate Carson's office confirmed
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he was at work until 8:00.
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They found Eddie at 9:00.
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- So that rules the father out.
- But not Sam.
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Hey, heard back from TARU
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about Eddie's cell
phone records.
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- And?
- It's pretty dull stuff.
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No questionable photos,
no off-color texts...
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except Upshaw called Sam
ten times last night.
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Ten times?
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Pretty excessive.
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Did he ever call him back?
- Not once.
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But then he just shows
up with his father?
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And lies about being
with his girlfriend?
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This sound right to you?
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It sounds like
Sam's ducking him.
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Bring him in.
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Why are we here?
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We... we told you guys
everything last night.
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Your son left some things out.
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Have a seat.
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You never mentioned
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that Mr. Upshaw called
you last night...
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more than a few times.
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I must have had my
phone on silent.
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Sam, it's time to
come clean, all right?
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Just tell us what's
really going on.
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Nothing.
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You're lying.
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- My son is not a liar.
- Yeah?
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He lied about being with
his girlfriend last night.
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You talked to Ellie?
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Yeah, she told us you came
over for a few minutes
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after school, then
she went home.
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You told me you were with her.
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Are you lying to us?
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Sam.
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Where were you between school
and going to Eddie's shop?
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Where were you, Sam?
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Hey, come on. He
asked you a question.
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Okay! Okay.
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I was in the park.
- Which one?
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- Tompkins Square.
- Doing what?
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- Thinking!
- About?
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Just thinking!
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Is my son in some
kind of trouble here?
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Mr. Carson, we are
not accusing Sam
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of anything just yet.
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00:10:38,872 --> 00:10:41,007
But we do need to
clarify some details.
263
00:10:41,041 --> 00:10:44,678
Do you have any idea why
Mr. Upshaw called you
264
00:10:44,711 --> 00:10:47,347
ten times last night?
265
00:10:47,380 --> 00:10:48,715
No.
266
00:10:48,748 --> 00:10:50,417
Why was he calling you nonstop?
267
00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:52,218
I don't know.
268
00:10:52,285 --> 00:10:54,821
You don't know, or you
don't wanna tell us?
269
00:10:54,888 --> 00:10:56,990
Now is the time to
come clean, Sam.
270
00:10:57,023 --> 00:10:58,792
Why? What did Mr. Upshaw say?
271
00:10:58,925 --> 00:11:01,294
He didn't say anything.
He's still unconscious.
272
00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:02,762
You know what I think?
273
00:11:02,796 --> 00:11:04,898
I think Upshaw was
surprised you even quit.
274
00:11:04,931 --> 00:11:06,666
Yeah, and that's why
you blew him off.
275
00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:07,700
I messed up.
276
00:11:07,767 --> 00:11:08,902
You're an apprentice.
277
00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:10,870
Making little mistakes
is part of learning.
278
00:11:10,937 --> 00:11:12,038
And you know what isn't?
279
00:11:12,105 --> 00:11:13,573
Clubbing your boss in the head
280
00:11:13,606 --> 00:11:16,476
with some metal or something.
281
00:11:16,576 --> 00:11:18,545
And carving a date in his back
282
00:11:18,611 --> 00:11:19,646
with an angle grinder.
283
00:11:19,746 --> 00:11:21,881
June 15, 2001.
284
00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:24,017
That mean anything to you, Sam?
285
00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:25,518
What? No.
286
00:11:25,552 --> 00:11:28,621
That's... that's
before you were born.
287
00:11:28,722 --> 00:11:29,989
Are you lying to us right now?
288
00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:30,990
No!
289
00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:33,326
- Are you sure?
- Yes!
290
00:11:33,426 --> 00:11:35,729
All right, uh...
291
00:11:35,762 --> 00:11:37,230
do I... do I need
to call a lawyer?
292
00:11:37,330 --> 00:11:39,733
If we have any more
questions, we'll let you know.
293
00:11:39,833 --> 00:11:41,334
Let's go. Come on.
294
00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:45,138
Did you talk to the kid?
295
00:11:45,271 --> 00:11:48,141
He wasn't saying anything
with his father in the room.
296
00:11:48,208 --> 00:11:49,142
Counselor.
297
00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:50,710
Get anywhere with
this Upshaw case?
298
00:11:50,810 --> 00:11:53,079
I just saw your two
witnesses walk out of here.
299
00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:55,148
There's definitely
some kind of connection
300
00:11:55,215 --> 00:11:56,950
between Upshaw and that kid Sam.
301
00:11:57,017 --> 00:11:58,184
We think he's good for it?
302
00:11:58,218 --> 00:11:59,252
I hope not.
303
00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:00,620
His timeline is sketchy.
304
00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:01,955
Lied about his alibi.
305
00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:03,757
Upshaw called him
ten times last night.
306
00:12:03,790 --> 00:12:05,291
He didn't call him back.
307
00:12:05,325 --> 00:12:07,503
Is there any actual physical
evidence that ties him to this?
308
00:12:07,527 --> 00:12:10,764
We recovered the weapon that
was used to carve him up,
309
00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:13,400
but only Eddie's
prints are on it.
310
00:12:13,466 --> 00:12:15,902
Well, until Upshaw wakes up,
this is still an open case.
311
00:12:15,935 --> 00:12:17,037
What about that date?
312
00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:18,438
Didn't mean anything to Sam.
313
00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:20,774
Captain, Upshaw
is out of surgery.
314
00:12:20,807 --> 00:12:22,275
He's conscious.
- Great.
315
00:12:22,308 --> 00:12:26,112
So find out if June 15th
means anything to our victim.
316
00:12:35,434 --> 00:12:37,123
- Dr. Klein?
- Yes?
317
00:12:37,857 --> 00:12:39,292
We're here about Eddie Upshaw.
318
00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:42,662
Sergeant Tutuola. This
is Detective Bruno, SVU.
319
00:12:42,696 --> 00:12:44,164
So what can you tell us?
320
00:12:44,197 --> 00:12:46,266
This is one of the more
brutal assaults I've seen.
321
00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:48,601
Lucky he was unconscious
for most of it.
322
00:12:48,668 --> 00:12:49,803
Any idea about the weapon?
323
00:12:49,869 --> 00:12:51,571
Skull fracture.
324
00:12:51,604 --> 00:12:53,506
Some kind of heavy,
blunt instrument.
325
00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:54,808
Basic.
326
00:12:54,841 --> 00:12:56,042
Same with the sodomy.
327
00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:58,211
What about the numbers
carved on his back?
328
00:12:58,244 --> 00:13:00,714
We found an angle grinder with
his blood on it at the scene.
329
00:13:00,847 --> 00:13:02,382
That's likely the implement.
330
00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:05,819
Whoever did this wanted to
make sure it caused a scar.
331
00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:07,220
Can he answer questions?
332
00:13:07,287 --> 00:13:10,223
He's on pain meds,
but he can speak.
333
00:13:12,992 --> 00:13:16,162
How are you
feeling, Mr. Upshaw?
334
00:13:16,196 --> 00:13:18,965
We have some questions
about last night.
335
00:13:19,099 --> 00:13:20,300
Me too.
336
00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:21,735
My memory's not so good.
337
00:13:21,835 --> 00:13:23,670
That's normal. Give it time.
338
00:13:23,770 --> 00:13:25,805
Memories might come back.
339
00:13:25,872 --> 00:13:28,641
Maybe it's better if they don't.
340
00:13:28,675 --> 00:13:31,111
Did you get a look
at your assailant?
341
00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:32,278
No.
342
00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:34,447
They hit me from behind.
343
00:13:34,481 --> 00:13:37,017
Maybe skin color, hands?
344
00:13:37,117 --> 00:13:38,885
I'm gonna show you something.
345
00:13:38,952 --> 00:13:40,987
It might be tough to take.
346
00:13:44,924 --> 00:13:46,726
That date mean anything to you?
347
00:13:46,793 --> 00:13:49,896
No, I...
348
00:13:49,963 --> 00:13:51,831
what was that, like, 20
years ago or something?
349
00:13:54,367 --> 00:13:56,569
Is there anybody in your
life you can think of
350
00:13:56,636 --> 00:13:57,671
who would do this to you?
351
00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:59,272
No.
352
00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:02,842
It feels like you're asking me
to tell you if I did something
353
00:14:02,909 --> 00:14:04,277
to bring this on myself.
354
00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:05,812
No, no, we're not saying that.
355
00:14:05,845 --> 00:14:08,581
Because I've never
done anything to anyone
356
00:14:08,648 --> 00:14:10,283
to justify this!
357
00:14:11,885 --> 00:14:13,553
Scarring me for life?
358
00:14:13,653 --> 00:14:14,954
Okay, okay.
359
00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:18,124
It's just, this is a very
specific message to send.
360
00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:19,793
And statistically,
a guy your age
361
00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:22,662
is the least likely to
be sexually assaulted.
362
00:14:22,696 --> 00:14:24,136
We're just trying
to find a motive.
363
00:14:24,164 --> 00:14:26,032
Sometimes, there is no reason.
364
00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,403
I just need more pain meds.
365
00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,581
Okay, Mr. Upshaw, we're
gonna let you get some rest.
366
00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:33,907
Thank you.
367
00:14:36,042 --> 00:14:38,745
If Upshaw knows who did
this, he's not telling us.
368
00:14:38,845 --> 00:14:40,480
Or he's afraid to talk.
369
00:14:40,513 --> 00:14:43,116
Yeah, about who cut
that date in his back.
370
00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:45,652
Well, he's got an
ex-wife who's still
371
00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:46,953
his emergency contact.
372
00:14:47,087 --> 00:14:48,988
Someone should pay her a visit.
373
00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:55,095
June 15, 2001?
374
00:14:55,161 --> 00:14:57,097
Sorry, it doesn't
mean anything to me.
375
00:14:57,130 --> 00:14:58,207
Okay, well, are you still mad
376
00:14:58,231 --> 00:14:59,666
at your ex-husband
about anything?
377
00:14:59,699 --> 00:15:02,202
When the cops called me
about Eddie, I felt horrible.
378
00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:03,670
But you didn't go
to the hospital?
379
00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:05,739
There wasn't
anything I could do.
380
00:15:05,805 --> 00:15:07,540
Look, Eddie is bad at life.
381
00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:08,942
When did you divorce him?
382
00:15:08,975 --> 00:15:10,377
Over five years ago.
383
00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:12,579
25 years was enough.
384
00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:16,082
And how did he handle it when
you asked him for divorce?
385
00:15:16,216 --> 00:15:17,083
Fine.
386
00:15:17,117 --> 00:15:18,818
Didn't put up a
fight or anything.
387
00:15:18,852 --> 00:15:20,186
You have three kids.
388
00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,064
They don't have much of
a relationship with him.
389
00:15:22,088 --> 00:15:24,024
Any particular reason why?
390
00:15:24,057 --> 00:15:25,759
They're older. They
got their own lives.
391
00:15:25,859 --> 00:15:27,227
Okay, well, is there anyone else
392
00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:28,540
that you can think
of in his life
393
00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:29,595
who might wanna hurt him?
394
00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:31,331
The city is full of wingnuts.
395
00:15:31,464 --> 00:15:34,034
Is it really that crazy
to think this was random?
396
00:15:34,134 --> 00:15:35,702
Random attacks don't
usually involve
397
00:15:35,769 --> 00:15:39,939
someone being scarred with a
specific date, Mrs. Upshaw.
398
00:15:39,973 --> 00:15:41,141
I'm sorry.
399
00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:43,510
I wish I could be more help.
400
00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:45,445
Thank you.
401
00:15:45,478 --> 00:15:47,180
So our vic has no idea
402
00:15:47,313 --> 00:15:49,582
who would carve that
date into his back.
403
00:15:49,616 --> 00:15:50,817
Neither did his ex-wife.
404
00:15:50,884 --> 00:15:52,561
They both claim there's
no one in his life
405
00:15:52,585 --> 00:15:53,720
that would hurt Eddie.
406
00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:55,121
Any red flags on social media?
407
00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:56,423
Not that we could find.
408
00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:57,757
Online dating?
409
00:15:57,791 --> 00:15:58,834
He doesn't really seem to have
410
00:15:58,858 --> 00:15:59,938
a social media life at all.
411
00:15:59,993 --> 00:16:01,294
He has a page for the shop,
412
00:16:01,361 --> 00:16:03,196
but he hasn't updated
it in three years.
413
00:16:03,229 --> 00:16:05,265
Other than that, no
digital footprint.
414
00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:08,935
So we have a 50-year-old guy
who was sexually assaulted,
415
00:16:09,069 --> 00:16:10,346
then scarred with a
date.
416
00:16:10,370 --> 00:16:12,739
I mean, we all know
that this wasn't random.
417
00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:16,109
So keep digging
into Upshaw's past.
418
00:16:16,209 --> 00:16:18,044
Sam Carson just texted.
419
00:16:18,078 --> 00:16:20,280
He wants to meet me in the park.
420
00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:21,614
Alone?
421
00:16:21,648 --> 00:16:23,950
I would feel more
comfortable if he had backup.
422
00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:25,852
This kid just needs
someone to talk to.
423
00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,588
I go alone, he's more
likely to be forthcoming.
424
00:16:28,688 --> 00:16:30,256
Keep me posted.
425
00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:42,836
Hey, Sam.
426
00:16:42,936 --> 00:16:44,270
Hey.
427
00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:51,644
I'm in trouble.
428
00:16:51,678 --> 00:16:53,613
What kind of trouble?
429
00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:55,548
I'm not sure.
430
00:17:00,587 --> 00:17:05,959
You know, when things get
too big, I get afraid.
431
00:17:05,992 --> 00:17:07,994
Like, if I open my mouth, I'm...
432
00:17:08,128 --> 00:17:09,829
I'm gonna fall off
some kind of cliff.
433
00:17:12,399 --> 00:17:15,969
If that's where you
are, I promise you,
434
00:17:16,036 --> 00:17:19,673
whatever it is, I got you.
435
00:17:21,808 --> 00:17:24,678
I'm afraid it's my fault.
436
00:17:28,415 --> 00:17:30,817
I've been working for
Eddie since I was 15.
437
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:33,920
He's been good to me.
438
00:17:34,054 --> 00:17:35,989
Good how?
439
00:17:36,022 --> 00:17:37,891
Teaching me stuff in the shop.
440
00:17:37,957 --> 00:17:41,528
Making sure I'm on my game.
441
00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:45,065
He started to give
me rides home.
442
00:17:45,131 --> 00:17:47,534
Did something happen?
443
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,104
At first, we would talk
about personal stuff.
444
00:17:51,171 --> 00:17:54,574
And he started asking me
questions about girls,
445
00:17:54,708 --> 00:17:56,576
what I do with them.
446
00:17:56,609 --> 00:17:59,713
What I do with myself
when I'm alone.
447
00:18:02,048 --> 00:18:04,384
Then he told me to
pull my pants down.
448
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,588
I let him do it.
449
00:18:08,722 --> 00:18:10,256
I just... I just froze.
450
00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:11,991
It's like I wasn't even there.
451
00:18:12,125 --> 00:18:13,660
I just let him do it.
452
00:18:13,727 --> 00:18:15,562
Sam, listen to me.
453
00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:17,330
This happens to a lot of people.
454
00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:19,132
This is not on you.
- To girls, maybe.
455
00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:20,200
But... but not to guys.
456
00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:22,535
It doesn't work like that.
457
00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:24,971
I kept going back to the shop.
458
00:18:25,105 --> 00:18:27,374
I tried to avoid Eddie,
but most of the times,
459
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,808
it was just him and me.
460
00:18:28,875 --> 00:18:30,844
Eddie set it up that way.
461
00:18:30,910 --> 00:18:32,545
My dad says people who get hurt
462
00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:35,448
put themselves in that position.
463
00:18:35,482 --> 00:18:36,802
I mean, you've...
you've seen him.
464
00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:37,860
He'll think it's my fault.
465
00:18:37,884 --> 00:18:39,819
You're not the adult here.
466
00:18:39,953 --> 00:18:41,888
Eddie is.
467
00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:44,524
And what he did is
called grooming.
468
00:18:44,557 --> 00:18:48,228
He gained your trust, and
then he manipulated it.
469
00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:51,131
Are you gonna tell my dad?
470
00:18:51,197 --> 00:18:53,500
No, I won't have to.
471
00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:55,502
You will.
472
00:18:56,936 --> 00:18:59,239
I don't think I can.
473
00:18:59,339 --> 00:19:04,511
If I had a kid and
somebody hurt him,
474
00:19:04,577 --> 00:19:06,413
I'd wanna know.
475
00:19:08,682 --> 00:19:11,851
So give your dad a
chance to be your dad.
476
00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:17,624
And I'm gonna help
you through it, okay?
477
00:19:17,691 --> 00:19:21,227
Okay.
478
00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:23,563
But I have to ask you
a question, though.
479
00:19:25,865 --> 00:19:29,469
What happened to Eddie,
480
00:19:29,536 --> 00:19:32,605
did you have anything
to do with it?
481
00:19:45,218 --> 00:19:46,886
Hey, Bruno.
482
00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,497
- I'm sorry it's late.
- No, it's okay.
483
00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:50,056
I was... I was
expecting your call.
484
00:19:50,123 --> 00:19:51,458
You talked to Sam?
- Yeah.
485
00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:53,560
I figured it'd just be
easier to tell you in person.
486
00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:54,828
What?
487
00:19:54,861 --> 00:19:58,365
Sam didn't do this,
but there's a reason
488
00:19:58,398 --> 00:19:59,866
he might have wanted to.
489
00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:01,334
Come in.
490
00:20:10,424 --> 00:20:12,096
Hey, you got a break
in the Upshaw case?
491
00:20:12,121 --> 00:20:14,389
Well, yes and no.
492
00:20:14,414 --> 00:20:15,958
Oh, good. Well, let's
start with the yes.
493
00:20:15,982 --> 00:20:17,047
How about that?
- Okay.
494
00:20:17,072 --> 00:20:19,674
Well, Sam Carson
admitted to Bruno
495
00:20:19,886 --> 00:20:21,221
that Eddie abused him.
496
00:20:21,321 --> 00:20:23,556
Oh, well, that's a motive
for the assault on Eddie.
497
00:20:23,623 --> 00:20:26,226
But Sam denies that
he attacked Eddie.
498
00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:27,332
Do you believe this kid?
499
00:20:27,427 --> 00:20:28,471
I mean, didn't he
lie about his alibi?
500
00:20:28,495 --> 00:20:29,763
He did, at first.
501
00:20:29,829 --> 00:20:31,707
But then he said that he
was in Tompkins Square Park,
502
00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:33,266
and the pole cam
footage confirms.
503
00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,301
So Sam is no longer a suspect?
504
00:20:35,368 --> 00:20:38,204
Let's get to the "no"
in this scenario.
505
00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:41,307
Well, the "no" is, we
have no viable suspects.
506
00:20:41,374 --> 00:20:44,744
But odds are that Sam is
not Eddie's first victim.
507
00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:47,447
Have you found any other
complaining witnesses?
508
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,016
We talked to former
employees, apprentices.
509
00:20:50,083 --> 00:20:51,451
So far, nothing.
510
00:20:51,484 --> 00:20:52,962
Eddie had no record
for the last 20 years.
511
00:20:52,986 --> 00:20:55,488
Going back into the
online booking system,
512
00:20:55,555 --> 00:20:57,924
arrests were logged by hand,
so it's gonna take some time.
513
00:20:57,991 --> 00:20:59,125
Okay, so keep searching.
514
00:20:59,192 --> 00:21:03,063
In the meantime, Carisi
and Bruno, my office.
515
00:21:03,129 --> 00:21:05,865
I realize that Eddie
Upshaw is a victim
516
00:21:05,899 --> 00:21:07,233
in a hospital bed, but...
517
00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:08,635
He's also a perp.
518
00:21:08,735 --> 00:21:11,471
So, Carisi, can we make
a case against him?
519
00:21:11,504 --> 00:21:13,740
If this kid Sam is
willing to testify, yeah.
520
00:21:13,807 --> 00:21:14,908
There's one hurdle.
521
00:21:14,974 --> 00:21:17,310
Sam doesn't wanna tell his
father, let alone testify.
522
00:21:17,377 --> 00:21:19,546
Yes, but at the same
time, Sam is a minor.
523
00:21:19,646 --> 00:21:23,183
So at some point, we are going
to have to inform his parents.
524
00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:24,818
I'll let Sam know.
525
00:21:27,053 --> 00:21:28,321
Mr. and Mrs. Carson,
526
00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:29,923
thank you so much for coming in.
527
00:21:29,989 --> 00:21:32,125
Sam said it was something
about Eddie Upshaw.
528
00:21:32,192 --> 00:21:33,192
Ah, yeah.
529
00:21:33,226 --> 00:21:34,894
Please have a seat.
530
00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,830
So...
531
00:21:39,499 --> 00:21:42,302
These conversations are...
532
00:21:42,369 --> 00:21:44,437
are difficult to have.
533
00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:49,109
I know Sam lied to you,
but he's just a scared kid.
534
00:21:49,209 --> 00:21:52,178
Your son isn't in
any kind of trouble.
535
00:21:52,245 --> 00:21:55,215
Your son is a victim.
536
00:21:55,281 --> 00:21:56,483
What?
537
00:21:58,084 --> 00:21:59,719
I don't understand.
538
00:22:01,154 --> 00:22:04,357
Sam, what's going on?
539
00:22:06,793 --> 00:22:08,094
Go ahead.
540
00:22:08,194 --> 00:22:09,262
You can tell them.
541
00:22:09,362 --> 00:22:12,332
Exactly what we talked about.
542
00:22:12,365 --> 00:22:13,633
I don't want you to be mad.
543
00:22:15,235 --> 00:22:18,104
Oh, we... we're not mad.
544
00:22:19,539 --> 00:22:23,710
I lied to you about
why I quit the shop.
545
00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:28,314
It's okay, Sam.
546
00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:30,383
You're safe. Right?
547
00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:32,085
You can tell them.
548
00:22:35,488 --> 00:22:40,126
I quit because Mr. Upshaw
was touching me.
549
00:22:41,995 --> 00:22:44,564
He was making me touch him.
550
00:22:44,664 --> 00:22:46,366
What?
551
00:22:46,399 --> 00:22:47,534
Wait... wait a minute.
552
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,437
How's that... how's
that possible?
553
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:55,809
Look, I know that this
is a lot to process.
554
00:22:55,842 --> 00:22:58,812
But Sam disclosed to
Detective Bruno...
555
00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:02,949
Your son is the victim
of sexual abuse.
556
00:23:05,552 --> 00:23:06,920
Oh, my God.
557
00:23:07,020 --> 00:23:08,121
Why wouldn't you tell us?
558
00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:09,622
I didn't want you to be mad.
559
00:23:09,723 --> 00:23:11,858
Mad? I wouldn't be
mad at you, son.
560
00:23:11,925 --> 00:23:13,460
It's going to be okay.
561
00:23:13,526 --> 00:23:15,929
We're going to figure
this out, okay?
562
00:23:15,995 --> 00:23:20,133
And it might benefit you
and... and your family to...
563
00:23:20,233 --> 00:23:22,002
to maybe see a counselor.
564
00:23:22,035 --> 00:23:24,571
I have some names that I'm
happy to connect you with.
565
00:23:24,637 --> 00:23:26,773
Is that why Upshaw was
attacked like that?
566
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,143
We believe it's possible
he has other victims.
567
00:23:30,210 --> 00:23:32,045
Well, what happens now?
568
00:23:32,145 --> 00:23:33,880
Well, we still wanna prosecute
569
00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:35,615
for what he did to Sam.
570
00:23:35,682 --> 00:23:37,851
Does that mean Sam
will have to testify?
571
00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:40,120
If our ADA can make a deal, no.
572
00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:44,324
But if this goes
to trial, then yes.
573
00:23:44,391 --> 00:23:46,026
I don't know if I can do that.
574
00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:48,461
Sam, Upshaw abused you.
575
00:23:48,528 --> 00:23:50,597
He needs to go to prison.
576
00:23:53,133 --> 00:23:54,367
I just wanna go home.
577
00:23:54,467 --> 00:23:57,170
I think that's a good idea.
578
00:23:57,237 --> 00:24:00,273
If you need anything, if
you have any questions,
579
00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:02,409
please, we're here.
580
00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:04,010
I'll walk you out.
581
00:24:07,681 --> 00:24:11,051
Thank you for helping my son.
582
00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,567
You all right, Liv?
583
00:24:27,634 --> 00:24:29,636
I've been better.
584
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:31,938
We're on the right track now.
585
00:24:32,005 --> 00:24:33,106
Why? We got something?
586
00:24:33,173 --> 00:24:35,742
Curry found an old arrest
record on Eddie Upshaw
587
00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:37,077
from 2002.
588
00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:38,978
Sexual abuse in the first.
589
00:24:39,045 --> 00:24:41,214
Did you get a name
of the victim?
590
00:24:41,281 --> 00:24:42,716
She was a minor,
so it's Jane Doe.
591
00:24:42,782 --> 00:24:43,950
Okay, did it go to trial?
592
00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:45,385
If it did, it was an acquittal.
593
00:24:45,452 --> 00:24:46,920
Case is sealed.
594
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:49,823
It's probably in some warehouse
somewhere out in Queens.
595
00:24:49,856 --> 00:24:52,959
Well, I will ask Carisi
to have a judge sign off
596
00:24:53,026 --> 00:24:54,661
on access to the file.
597
00:24:54,728 --> 00:24:57,230
In the meantime, have
Curry and Velasco
598
00:24:57,297 --> 00:24:59,099
head out to the warehouse.
599
00:25:05,572 --> 00:25:07,741
'95 to '05 are in here.
600
00:25:07,841 --> 00:25:10,777
Criminal on this side,
civil on the other.
601
00:25:10,844 --> 00:25:14,481
The boxes should be labeled
clearly enough, so good luck.
602
00:25:20,153 --> 00:25:21,888
You ready?
603
00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:23,923
Let's get this son of a bitch.
604
00:25:32,899 --> 00:25:34,601
Okay, so you found something.
605
00:25:34,668 --> 00:25:37,537
Upshaw's sex abuse case
went to trial in 2004.
606
00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:40,340
- And?
- He was acquitted.
607
00:25:40,407 --> 00:25:42,042
Okay, what about
our Jane Doe victim?
608
00:25:42,108 --> 00:25:42,976
The name is redacted.
609
00:25:43,009 --> 00:25:44,511
She was 11 years old
during the trial.
610
00:25:44,611 --> 00:25:45,921
She was eight when
the abuse began.
611
00:25:45,945 --> 00:25:47,580
Yeah, in 2001.
612
00:25:49,716 --> 00:25:51,751
Jury didn't believe her.
613
00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:53,520
Call the arresting officer.
614
00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:55,255
Call the ADA.
615
00:25:55,321 --> 00:25:57,223
Get me a name.
616
00:25:57,323 --> 00:25:58,858
There might be a shortcut.
617
00:25:58,925 --> 00:25:59,859
The ex-wife,
618
00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:01,437
she was still married
to him during the trial.
619
00:26:01,461 --> 00:26:02,896
And when we interviewed her,
620
00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:05,031
she said that that date
didn't mean anything to her.
621
00:26:05,098 --> 00:26:06,575
Okay, so she's either
in utter denial
622
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,068
or she's lying to protect him.
623
00:26:08,168 --> 00:26:09,936
Find out which one.
624
00:26:20,447 --> 00:26:22,649
Oh, come on. What is this?
625
00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:24,727
Just a couple more questions
about your ex-husband.
626
00:26:24,751 --> 00:26:26,186
I told you everything already.
627
00:26:26,286 --> 00:26:27,454
I doubt that.
628
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,155
So my first question is,
629
00:26:29,189 --> 00:26:31,524
what's making this
nice lady so squirrelly
630
00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:33,860
that she decides
to lie to the cops?
631
00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:37,697
- That's a good question.
- Thanks.
632
00:26:45,138 --> 00:26:49,209
I got nothing more
to say about Eddie.
633
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:50,410
What?
634
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:51,978
Your ex-husband was a defendant
635
00:26:52,045 --> 00:26:54,381
in a sexual abuse case
early on in your marriage.
636
00:26:54,447 --> 00:26:57,117
You don't think that's
something we needed to know?
637
00:26:58,551 --> 00:27:00,787
That girl was lying.
638
00:27:00,854 --> 00:27:02,055
How do you know?
639
00:27:02,122 --> 00:27:03,623
She was friends
with my daughter.
640
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:04,824
She had mental problems.
641
00:27:04,891 --> 00:27:06,259
She was eight years old.
642
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,436
Her father was a drinker.
643
00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:09,062
Her mother was out of her mind.
644
00:27:09,095 --> 00:27:10,964
She was just looking
for attention.
645
00:27:11,031 --> 00:27:12,799
Is that what you tell yourself
646
00:27:12,866 --> 00:27:14,267
so you could stay married to him
647
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,369
for 25 years with three
kids in the house?
648
00:27:16,436 --> 00:27:17,604
Don't you judge me.
649
00:27:17,704 --> 00:27:19,372
I had no help.
650
00:27:19,439 --> 00:27:22,809
So what, you... you stayed
with him for a paycheck?
651
00:27:22,842 --> 00:27:24,144
I mean, have you asked yourself
652
00:27:24,177 --> 00:27:26,246
why your kids want
nothing to do with him?
653
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,449
He wouldn't have the stones
to mess where he eats.
654
00:27:29,549 --> 00:27:31,184
He knew my family
would kill him.
655
00:27:32,852 --> 00:27:35,388
What do you think
your family would feel
656
00:27:35,455 --> 00:27:37,357
if they know you're
covering for him?
657
00:27:39,459 --> 00:27:40,660
Hmm?
658
00:27:44,631 --> 00:27:46,099
I'll step outside.
659
00:27:51,705 --> 00:27:53,473
We need the name of the victim
660
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:55,208
and where we can find her.
661
00:28:02,002 --> 00:28:03,963
Angela Jones has been in prison
662
00:28:03,988 --> 00:28:05,197
for the past five years.
663
00:28:05,222 --> 00:28:07,435
Turns out, Upshaw's daughter
stayed in touch with her.
664
00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:09,297
- What were the charges?
- Drug possession.
665
00:28:09,322 --> 00:28:10,623
Recently paroled.
666
00:28:10,657 --> 00:28:12,892
- How recently?
- A week ago.
667
00:28:12,959 --> 00:28:14,303
Three days before
Upshaw was attacked.
668
00:28:14,327 --> 00:28:16,007
That doesn't mean that
she's good for it.
669
00:28:16,062 --> 00:28:17,664
No, but as much as
we may not like it,
670
00:28:17,731 --> 00:28:18,998
it does make her a suspect.
671
00:28:19,032 --> 00:28:20,800
So what was Angela's history
672
00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:22,602
since Upshaw was
acquitted of her abuse?
673
00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:23,937
She went downhill.
674
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:26,906
At 13, drugs and alcohol
problems, truancy.
675
00:28:27,007 --> 00:28:28,575
She barely graduated
high school.
676
00:28:28,641 --> 00:28:30,143
Psych wards, in
and out of juvie.
677
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:32,212
Rikers, multiple
arrests in her 20s,
678
00:28:32,345 --> 00:28:34,247
court-mandated rehab.
679
00:28:34,381 --> 00:28:36,683
- So nothing worked?
- No.
680
00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:39,953
Okay, do we have a
last-known for Angela?
681
00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:41,588
We spoke with her
parole officer.
682
00:28:41,654 --> 00:28:43,623
Okay, well, go talk to her.
683
00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:45,525
Copy.
684
00:28:45,658 --> 00:28:48,194
And what is Upshaw's condition?
685
00:28:48,294 --> 00:28:49,996
- He's stabilized.
- Still in the hospital.
686
00:28:50,063 --> 00:28:52,532
All right, so go
to the hospital,
687
00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:55,335
show them a six pack, and
see if he can make an ID.
688
00:28:55,402 --> 00:28:56,536
He was pretty cagey
689
00:28:56,569 --> 00:28:58,171
the first time we
talked to him, Liv,
690
00:28:58,238 --> 00:29:00,240
He says he never
saw the perp's face.
691
00:29:00,340 --> 00:29:02,475
If his attacker is a
former abuse victim,
692
00:29:02,542 --> 00:29:03,910
that might explain why.
693
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:13,153
I know this is a tough
one for you, Liv.
694
00:29:13,286 --> 00:29:15,355
Did you read the transcript
of the court case?
695
00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:16,923
I did.
696
00:29:17,057 --> 00:29:19,693
She was eight years old when
Upshaw started abusing her,
697
00:29:19,726 --> 00:29:23,129
and that jury just
let him go free.
698
00:29:24,564 --> 00:29:26,066
She waited over
a year to report.
699
00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:28,601
And the defense played
up her inconsistencies,
700
00:29:28,668 --> 00:29:29,736
mental lapses.
701
00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:31,671
And this... this was
over 20 years ago.
702
00:29:31,705 --> 00:29:33,173
Just makes me crazy.
703
00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:34,850
And I know that they didn't
have the understanding
704
00:29:34,874 --> 00:29:37,911
of trauma that we do now,
about how it affects memory
705
00:29:38,011 --> 00:29:40,814
and how, you know, it can
make time just collapse.
706
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,383
And if she did
assault Eddie Upshaw,
707
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:45,485
it's a horrific crime.
708
00:29:45,585 --> 00:29:49,723
But if her sexual assault case
against Eddie was on trial now,
709
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:51,491
he'd be in prison.
710
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,394
Well, you've gotta
be kidding me.
711
00:29:54,427 --> 00:29:55,562
This wasn't a woman.
712
00:29:55,628 --> 00:29:57,564
We've got a possible suspect.
713
00:29:57,597 --> 00:29:59,366
Why don't you take
a closer look?
714
00:30:01,468 --> 00:30:03,636
Unless there's a reason
you don't want us
715
00:30:03,703 --> 00:30:05,872
to close this case.
716
00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:07,273
What's that supposed to mean?
717
00:30:07,374 --> 00:30:09,576
You said you didn't
do anything to anyone
718
00:30:09,642 --> 00:30:11,244
to deserve to be
assaulted like this.
719
00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:12,579
I haven't.
720
00:30:12,645 --> 00:30:15,281
And you didn't think we'd
find out about Angela Jones?
721
00:30:17,617 --> 00:30:19,019
That girl was lying.
722
00:30:19,085 --> 00:30:21,788
I knew it, the jury knew it,
and I walked out of there.
723
00:30:21,855 --> 00:30:23,623
And what about Sam Carson?
724
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:25,959
Whatever Sam's saying,
he's lying too.
725
00:30:25,992 --> 00:30:29,396
Maybe you got away with
what you did 20 years ago,
726
00:30:29,496 --> 00:30:30,864
but not today.
727
00:30:32,298 --> 00:30:34,200
I'm not talking to
you guys anymore.
728
00:30:42,609 --> 00:30:44,110
You okay, man?
729
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:45,921
If I ever had a kid
and somebody did that,
730
00:30:45,945 --> 00:30:47,723
my face would be the
last thing they ever see.
731
00:30:47,747 --> 00:30:49,182
I feel you.
732
00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:51,317
I'm a cop. I
shouldn't say that.
733
00:30:51,384 --> 00:30:54,354
Yeah, Bruno, but
you're human first.
734
00:30:55,822 --> 00:30:57,490
You really think
Angela did this?
735
00:30:57,524 --> 00:31:00,727
Well, the police report
listed June 15, 2001,
736
00:31:00,827 --> 00:31:02,762
as the first time Angela
was abused by Upshaw.
737
00:31:02,829 --> 00:31:04,340
I can't believe she's
been carrying this day
738
00:31:04,364 --> 00:31:05,231
with her ever since.
739
00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:07,300
Well, I guess she wants
him to carry it now.
740
00:31:16,643 --> 00:31:18,445
- Fourth floor.
- Copy.
741
00:31:35,729 --> 00:31:38,498
- This one?
- Yeah.
742
00:31:38,598 --> 00:31:40,200
NYPD!
743
00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:41,534
Angela?
744
00:31:43,903 --> 00:31:45,238
- Fire escape.
- Yeah.
745
00:31:55,749 --> 00:31:57,050
- I'll take the back.
- Okay.
746
00:32:17,971 --> 00:32:19,639
Hey! Hey!
747
00:32:27,781 --> 00:32:29,416
Whoa!
748
00:32:29,449 --> 00:32:30,717
NYPD, stop!
749
00:32:38,324 --> 00:32:39,526
Stop moving!
750
00:32:39,592 --> 00:32:41,428
Screw you!
751
00:32:41,561 --> 00:32:42,729
Come on!
752
00:32:42,829 --> 00:32:44,731
Get up.
- Get off me!
753
00:32:44,764 --> 00:32:46,566
Get your goddamn hands off me!
754
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:47,801
SVU Portable,
755
00:32:47,901 --> 00:32:49,769
send a unit to
transport a prisoner.
756
00:32:49,803 --> 00:32:52,739
White Plains and
Barnes, by the L.
757
00:32:52,806 --> 00:32:54,541
Come on, let's go. Walk.
758
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:00,872
You had probable
cause to arrest?
759
00:33:00,897 --> 00:33:02,378
She ran, violating parole.
760
00:33:02,403 --> 00:33:04,018
She almost got away, except
for the captain here.
761
00:33:04,043 --> 00:33:05,121
And did she say anything?
762
00:33:05,146 --> 00:33:06,640
"Get your goddamn hands off me"?
763
00:33:06,665 --> 00:33:07,633
You Mirandized her?
764
00:33:07,658 --> 00:33:08,988
Yeah, she refused a lawyer.
765
00:33:09,013 --> 00:33:10,290
She won't talk to anybody.
766
00:33:10,323 --> 00:33:11,738
And you had to cuff her?
767
00:33:11,763 --> 00:33:15,767
Believe me, I didn't want to,
but she tried to bite the uni.
768
00:33:15,962 --> 00:33:18,865
Well, we all know
that look, right?
769
00:33:18,932 --> 00:33:21,001
She obviously feels she
has nothing to lose.
770
00:33:21,101 --> 00:33:23,770
But I can't help her if
she won't talk to us.
771
00:33:23,837 --> 00:33:25,271
Yeah.
772
00:33:25,338 --> 00:33:28,541
Why don't we start by
taking off those cuffs?
773
00:33:30,643 --> 00:33:35,815
Angela, I'm Captain Benson,
and this is ADA Carisi.
774
00:33:35,949 --> 00:33:38,251
Now, I know that it
may not seem like it,
775
00:33:38,318 --> 00:33:40,854
but we actually are
trying to help you.
776
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,657
Now, my officers told me that
they tried to talk to you,
777
00:33:44,691 --> 00:33:48,161
but it didn't seem like
you were so cooperative.
778
00:33:48,228 --> 00:33:51,164
So I'd like... I'd like
to take those cuffs off.
779
00:33:51,231 --> 00:33:53,033
I need you to promise
me that we can just have
780
00:33:53,066 --> 00:33:54,634
a calm conversation.
781
00:33:54,668 --> 00:33:56,169
Would that be okay?
782
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:58,838
Bolson.
783
00:33:58,905 --> 00:34:00,306
Thank you.
784
00:34:07,647 --> 00:34:10,150
Thank you. I think
we've got it from here.
785
00:34:14,854 --> 00:34:16,156
Why am I here?
786
00:34:16,189 --> 00:34:19,559
You're here because we
know about your trial,
787
00:34:19,626 --> 00:34:23,630
about the abuse case,
with Eddie Upshaw.
788
00:34:26,466 --> 00:34:31,671
We read the transcript and
all your police interviews,
789
00:34:31,771 --> 00:34:34,007
and we understand that you were
790
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,777
eight years old
when you met Eddie?
791
00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:42,382
Is that when the abuse started?
792
00:34:45,118 --> 00:34:49,389
I was best friends with
his daughter, Christa.
793
00:34:49,456 --> 00:34:53,526
She believed me, but
nobody else did...
794
00:34:53,593 --> 00:34:57,230
not the cops at first,
and not Eddie's wife,
795
00:34:57,263 --> 00:35:00,100
not that jury.
796
00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:03,803
But there's nothing anyone
can do about that now.
797
00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:05,538
I believe you, Angela.
798
00:35:08,241 --> 00:35:10,810
We're not here to
talk about my trial.
799
00:35:12,445 --> 00:35:15,715
No, we're here to talk
about Eddie Upshaw.
800
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:20,987
So can you tell me where
you were three nights ago?
801
00:35:21,021 --> 00:35:22,622
I don't remember.
802
00:35:24,324 --> 00:35:26,626
Well, Eddie was injured.
803
00:35:26,693 --> 00:35:29,863
He was hit over the head,
804
00:35:29,929 --> 00:35:32,799
and his back was carved.
805
00:35:36,169 --> 00:35:37,537
How is he?
806
00:35:37,604 --> 00:35:42,108
He's permanently
scarred, but he's alive.
807
00:35:42,175 --> 00:35:44,711
I'll tell you this, he'll...
808
00:35:44,811 --> 00:35:47,280
he'll never forget that date.
809
00:35:48,748 --> 00:35:50,650
Makes two of us.
810
00:35:50,717 --> 00:35:53,353
Did you do that?
811
00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:56,823
I only did what someone
should have done 20 years ago.
812
00:35:59,426 --> 00:36:02,962
Angela, are you admitting guilt?
813
00:36:03,029 --> 00:36:05,965
Oh, I don't feel guilt at all.
814
00:36:07,834 --> 00:36:09,302
I just looked him up.
815
00:36:09,369 --> 00:36:11,938
Just after all these years?
816
00:36:12,005 --> 00:36:13,273
Yeah.
817
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:14,974
My PO warned me
about doing that.
818
00:36:15,008 --> 00:36:17,110
He said if you go
looking for pain,
819
00:36:17,177 --> 00:36:18,311
you're always gonna find it.
820
00:36:18,378 --> 00:36:19,913
And what did you find?
821
00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:24,317
Just some half-assed page
of his shop on social media.
822
00:36:24,384 --> 00:36:27,887
He was just living life.
823
00:36:27,954 --> 00:36:30,757
An ordinary, normal guy.
824
00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:32,859
Unremarkable.
825
00:36:32,926 --> 00:36:38,465
Yeah, for exactly that reason.
826
00:36:38,531 --> 00:36:43,803
After all these years, it's...
827
00:36:43,837 --> 00:36:45,772
I saw that, and I...
828
00:36:45,905 --> 00:36:48,041
I'd had enough.
829
00:36:48,108 --> 00:36:49,409
You threw your life away.
830
00:36:49,476 --> 00:36:52,379
You do things like this, and
it lets guys like that win.
831
00:36:52,412 --> 00:36:56,182
He already won, Captain.
832
00:36:56,216 --> 00:37:00,720
I remember him every day,
even on my best ones.
833
00:37:00,787 --> 00:37:02,555
He didn't scar me once.
834
00:37:02,589 --> 00:37:05,658
He's scarred me every day since.
835
00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:12,332
So what happens now?
836
00:37:12,399 --> 00:37:15,535
I go back to prison?
837
00:37:15,669 --> 00:37:18,238
Because trust me,
838
00:37:18,304 --> 00:37:21,708
it was worth it.
839
00:37:25,345 --> 00:37:26,585
We're gonna get you a lawyer,
840
00:37:26,646 --> 00:37:29,683
and we're gonna figure this out.
841
00:37:29,783 --> 00:37:31,985
I'll talk to the DA.
842
00:37:37,691 --> 00:37:39,659
There she is.
843
00:37:39,726 --> 00:37:41,661
We heard some things
about you, Captain.
844
00:37:41,761 --> 00:37:42,962
Like what?
845
00:37:43,029 --> 00:37:46,032
Like you should quit your
day job and join the NFL.
846
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:47,233
Fast on your feet.
847
00:37:47,334 --> 00:37:48,935
Okay. What happened
with Angela?
848
00:37:49,035 --> 00:37:50,570
She confessed.
849
00:37:50,637 --> 00:37:53,039
Benson and Carisi are with her
at the DA's office right now.
850
00:37:53,106 --> 00:37:54,307
Okay.
851
00:37:57,010 --> 00:37:58,278
Sam.
852
00:37:58,345 --> 00:37:59,746
Everything all right?
853
00:37:59,779 --> 00:38:01,081
Can we talk?
854
00:38:01,147 --> 00:38:02,515
Of course.
855
00:38:07,487 --> 00:38:09,155
How have you been, Sam?
856
00:38:09,222 --> 00:38:11,391
Okay.
857
00:38:11,458 --> 00:38:13,159
Having a little
trouble sleeping.
858
00:38:13,226 --> 00:38:14,961
You know.
859
00:38:17,197 --> 00:38:19,399
That's understandable.
860
00:38:19,466 --> 00:38:21,668
But I talked to my mom and dad.
861
00:38:21,735 --> 00:38:23,503
We made an appointment
with the therapist
862
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:25,038
Captain Benson recommended.
863
00:38:25,105 --> 00:38:26,740
Good.
864
00:38:28,441 --> 00:38:31,778
I wanna face things, you know?
865
00:38:31,845 --> 00:38:33,446
Deal with this for real.
866
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,881
Makes sense.
867
00:38:34,981 --> 00:38:38,752
My dad always talks about
how a real man faces life.
868
00:38:38,818 --> 00:38:43,323
How he doesn't run away
or hide or... or lie,
869
00:38:43,356 --> 00:38:45,458
and I do that a lot.
870
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,595
My dad told me you arrested
871
00:38:48,695 --> 00:38:50,663
the woman who did that to Eddie.
872
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:52,098
We did.
873
00:38:52,132 --> 00:38:55,001
Am I gonna end up like that?
874
00:38:55,101 --> 00:38:56,469
Like what?
875
00:38:56,603 --> 00:38:59,973
Wanting to hurt other people
because of what happened to me.
876
00:39:03,309 --> 00:39:05,879
That therapist you're going to,
877
00:39:05,945 --> 00:39:07,580
you're gonna work together
878
00:39:07,647 --> 00:39:09,949
and make sure that
doesn't happen.
879
00:39:13,887 --> 00:39:14,888
Hi.
880
00:39:14,954 --> 00:39:17,290
Come on in.
881
00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:19,626
How are you doing, Angela?
882
00:39:19,726 --> 00:39:20,860
I'm okay.
883
00:39:20,894 --> 00:39:23,029
We're here to discuss
the plea deal.
884
00:39:23,096 --> 00:39:25,331
Yeah. Take a seat, please.
885
00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:28,668
So given Angela's history
with Eddie Upshaw,
886
00:39:28,768 --> 00:39:30,970
the DA has agreed to
reduce the charges...
887
00:39:31,004 --> 00:39:32,238
felony assault two.
888
00:39:32,305 --> 00:39:33,473
What does that mean?
889
00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:34,874
You would stay on parole,
890
00:39:34,908 --> 00:39:37,610
but you'd have to
complete a psych program.
891
00:39:37,677 --> 00:39:39,555
And if you agree and you
complete the program,
892
00:39:39,579 --> 00:39:41,123
then the court will
allow you to withdraw
893
00:39:41,147 --> 00:39:42,549
your plea for the
felony assault.
894
00:39:42,682 --> 00:39:44,984
And we can discuss
other charges.
895
00:39:45,018 --> 00:39:46,419
Or a dismissal.
896
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:48,159
Your client committed
a serious crime...
897
00:39:48,188 --> 00:39:49,456
sodomy, disfigurement.
898
00:39:49,489 --> 00:39:51,157
This is the best
you're gonna get.
899
00:39:51,257 --> 00:39:53,426
You might not have
to go to prison.
900
00:39:53,493 --> 00:39:57,831
You just have to be on
parole for a long time.
901
00:39:57,897 --> 00:39:58,765
It's a good deal.
902
00:40:03,036 --> 00:40:04,504
We'll take the plea.
903
00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:11,544
You know, Angela, I
hate what you did.
904
00:40:11,611 --> 00:40:15,148
But I hate what was
done to you even more.
905
00:40:25,992 --> 00:40:27,060
We've seen this before.
906
00:40:27,093 --> 00:40:29,462
Yeah, cycle of abuse.
907
00:40:29,529 --> 00:40:31,798
So the question is, will
we ever be able to stop it?
908
00:40:31,865 --> 00:40:34,300
You want the real answer? No.
909
00:40:34,367 --> 00:40:37,937
Well, it's not gonna
stop us from trying.
63909
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