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- So do you have any personal knowledge of people

who have been harmed, or
injured in efforts to cover up,

or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

- Yes. - These technologies

are unsanctioned, that they are illegal operations,

and this can be proven in any court of law.

- They're literally making their own money

to fund their own projects.

These are brand new witnesses,

and they've got bombshell information to talk about.

- Military officers, pilots who are,

you know, coming forward.

- He knew how to keep a secret.

Secrets were his stock and trade.

- I don't care if it's a general,

I don't care if it's anybody.

You are not allowed to talk about what happened,

you can go to prison for this, or you could be killed.

- These are transnational issues.

- We're covering up the truth and you want me silenced?

- As we get closer, I can feel

the vibrations coming off
of it, but there was no sound.

- Anyone been murdered?

- It looks like we have a problem here

that needs further investigation.

- That is the foundation of everything we've done

is that these projects are a priori, illegal,

and therefore, unconstitutional,
and have to be reigned in,

because not doing so is a
threat to the national security.

An executive order to immediately disclose

advanced energy generating
technologies should happen,

these are held by some of
these corporations and agencies.

This would within 10 to 20
years end all pollution on earth

and all global poverty.

This is not a pipe dream.

Those technologies are extant,

they have been around for a while

and we need them, and we need them

60 years ago, 70 years ago.

2023, the year of the whistleblower.

Washington DC was ground
zero for the investigation

into the clandestine black budget programs

that have been keeping secret

reverse engineered alien
technologies from the public.

As UFO investigators, my brother, Brent and I

set out to uncover the truth.

We were joined by Washington lawmakers,

including Dr. Steven Greer, who came forward

to speak about the deadly coverup.

We also heard never before heard testimony

from former military whistleblowers.

What we uncovered was beyond our imagination.

Our findings have the potential to change the world.

They could force the government

to come clean about its involvement with UFOs

and they could lead to a new world

and the betterment of mankind.

- What we wanna do is, since we can prove

that those are illegal,

go after them in a civilian RICO,

I think that'll put pressure on the Congress

and the government to go pursue it,

and any evidence we generate
through subpoenas, depositions,

we will hand over to the Department of Justice

and US prosecutors,

so they can then take a criminal case forward.

Very important.

- You're dealing with something

that's light years ahead of us in technology,

and so it's just they break off a little piece of it,

and then they figure it out,

and then they try to move on to something else,

but I think to do that,

would have to be in the corporate hands,

and again, it's so compartmentalized,

I don't know if we could ever get the truth out.

So if there were somebody that could say,

"Hey, here's X marks the spot, this is where the UAP is",

could you divide a task force
and subpoena and answer it?

- We could subpoena it, but by then, it's so,

this system's so corrupted, brother.

I just think we'd rush over there,

and it'd already be, they moved it out weeks ago,

I just don't think that's a possibility.

I think it is in a situation that's so secure

that it'd be very difficult to get to it.

I mean, you know, if they deny

the President of the United States access

to this information, which I fully believe they have,

and they continue to do that, I do not think,

I don't think they'd blink at
a congressional subpoena.

Do you have any people being paid by the CIA

who are contributing

to a major circulation American Journal?

- We do have people who submit pieces

to two American journals.

- There is a 70-year-history
of the CIA and other agencies

using the media and Hollywood, I might add,

to make the whole subject of UFOs

seem like a cartoon and ridiculous.

We have a CIA document from the 50s,

specifically naming Disney Studios

to make cartoons, et cetera, about the subjects,

so it would create levity and ridicule.

We know that, for example,

and I've had this shared with me

by senior intelligence officials back in the 90s

that a lot of the best UFO
cases would be channeled away

from the mainstream media
to frankly discredited tabloids

like "The National Enquirer."

- My name is Bill Graham,

and I worked almost 25 years
at the "National Enquirer."

- Wiring minds want to know. - I wanna know.

- When I started out was the only medium around

that covered the subject of UFOs.

- This is the stuff that tabloid dreams are made of.

- 1981 when I joined the "Enquirer",

we put a lot of money into covering UFOs.

I knew there was like a dedicated crew that we had

that that's all they did.

And many people aren't aware

how much money the "Enquirer"
actually spent on the subject.

The "Enquirer" was a cash cow.

The publisher learned how
to really make a lot of money

by being at every supermarket
checkout in the country.

So with all this cash flowing in,

money was never any object.

We'd send people to countries in South America, Asia,

and so, you know, people were skeptical,

because the "National Enquirer",

"Oh, this isn't true, this isn't true."

And I went in very skeptical myself at first,

and then my job as a photo editor, we'd have teams

of people go in, and interview
people that saw something.

And it wasn't just like lights in the sky.

I would see stories where,
you know, we'd have story files.

The person would own a farm,

and a UFO would land at the farm,

and it wouldn't just like be a light in the sky,

it was something with form, structure.

And there was frequently like a beam of light

that would sort of paralyze them,

and they would show, they would have,

some of them had burns, radiation burns and things.

So that changed my way of
thinking on the subject of UFOs.

It struck me then that, gee, I'm not a UFO guy,

but I'm starting to believe
that something's going on here.

And then now, fast forward to the present times,

when even the Congress is starting to say,

"Yes."

- A whistleblower's claim

that the United States has a secret program

that recovers UFOs that have landed on earth

is now prompting calls

for investigations from both Republicans

and Democrats here in Congress.

- There's a good chance that
these UAPs, as we now call them

are real and we have to do more studies.

So here we have a Dr. Greer who has been on the subject

for many years, and I'm impressed

that he's been putting all the pieces together,

should make a very compelling narrative.

Generoso Pope Jr. is the person

who started the "National Enquirer",

and his background is fascinating.

He graduated from MIT at age 19

with a degree in mechanical engineering.

You have to be pretty smart like that.

His father was a big power player in New York City,

and he recognized his son had a genius IQ.

Gene Pope's
real godfather was the godfather,

Frank Costello, who was a big guy in the mob, obviously.

That's where he got the money.

- And so when Generoso Pope Jr. decided

to start the "National Enquirer",

he brought with him, you know, this family background,

of wealth and power, high IQ,

but he wanted to go into the CIA first, and he did that,

and he spent just a year there,

and he was in the field of psychological warfare.

And so we all knew that Generoso Pope had a way

of motivating us, which we thought were

some of the psychological
warfare tricks he had picked up.

It was interesting that Dr. Greer talks

about psychological warfare,
psyops in a different way.

So even though Generoso Pope
spent only a year at the CIA,

he picked up some interesting stuff.

We know that, we who worked for him,

he was very tight-lipped about it,

we never heard him talk about the CIA,

but we editors behind the
scenes would always talk about it,

and you know, he knew how to keep a secret.

Secrets were his stock and trade.

We had lots of secret sources at the "Enquirer."

And the fact that he was at the CIA at the right time,

it was a transitional phase,

so I'm not ruling out anything
about what he knew about

if the agency itself guided his coverage, I don't know.

Anything's possible.

And the way Dr. Greer puts it,

that it was by design that the "Enquirer"

sort of would do these
stories to sort of discredit them,

because people would consider the source,

"Oh, 'National Enquirer", it can't be real."

And so a very sophisticated psychological warfare

operation would work that way.

You know, where if you make your own associations

that are suggested by the
people pulling the strings.

So I'm open to any suggestion on it, I lived that life,

I saw what he was like,

I saw how intense he was, how smart he was,

and I have no doubt that, you know, if he felt, you know,

he liked the UFO stories,

because it profited, nobody else was covering it.

Whatever prohibition was put on this

by the mainstream media, it only helped him.

He's a smart guy.

He knew about business,

that if he had the market all to himself,

that was a way to make money.

And that's what made the
"Enquirer's" circulation swell

from practically nothing to,

I think it hit its first million circulation

because of UFOs on the cover.

And that was just a plateau, and it kept going up and up.

And then we added other stories to the mix,

we went in all color, but, you know, UFOs never died out.

People wanted to know about it.

And that's the key thing, people wanted to know.

- I wanna know. - And they were good cases,

but the fact that they were on that platform,

that media entity would
intrinsically discredit them.

So whereas CBS 60 minutes...

- At CBS, we had been contacted by the CIA,

as a matter of fact, by the time I became the Head

of the whole news and public
affairs operation in 1954,

the ships had been established,
and I was told about them,

and asked if I'd carry on with them.

Do you have any people being paid by the CIA

who are contributing to the National News Services,

AP and UPI?

- Well, again, I think we're getting into

the kind of detail, Mr. Chairman,

that I'd prefer to handle an executive session.

- The mainstream news media
and information from newspapers,

such as "Washington Post", "New York Times", et cetera,

they generally will not cover the subject,

unless it has a certain ridicule spin,

or lately, in the last couple years,

the national security threat of the UAPs,

which is also false,

except to the extent the manmade ones are a threat.

So Project Mockingbird, other projects

that have gone on forward,
we have intelligence officials

with the Air Force who have
confirmed they would carry quote

"bags of cash" to national
and local media to alter stories

and corrupt journalists.

This is a well-known tactic, it's provable,

we have a document actually from the 90s,

during the Bush Administration, early 90s,

when George HW Bush was president in '91,

where the CIA was talking about the people they have

on all the major media to
alter stories, change stories,

kill stories on behalf and on the request of the CIA.

So this is not a conspiracy theory,

it's a fact that's provable,

and this is one of the other problems is that, you know,

I tell this story of being
with Bob Schwartz in New York

in the early 90s,

and he was on the board of "Time Life"

and then that became AOL Time Warner, CNN,

and he was good friends with
Mike Wallace at "60 Minutes",

and he said, "Look, we've all become scribes,

taking dictation at the right hand of the king

of these covert programs."

And he said, "The fourth estate, the free press is dead."

Now that he told me that almost 30 years ago.

So I think that the public

and our officials need to understand

that some of the basic tenets
of our democracy have been,

at least on this issue, completely overtaken

by corrupt interest.

And that is not hard to do,

because you have enormous amounts of money

and corrupting influence from the organization

keeping the secret,

many of the parent corporations of the media

are in fact embedded into
that organization at some level,

and so the corruption of it is huge,

and this is a big problem,

because they can then cherry pick who appears on say,

"60 minutes" or CNN,

and they will cherry pick the
people who are mouthpieces,

shills, if you will, for the
narrative, the false narrative.

And that's what we've been seeing happening

over the last four or five years.

So that is something, the only way around that is to go

through alternative media doing independent

expose documentaries such as these,

and moving the truth out the best we can.

Should whistleblowers still be afraid

of coming forward,

or should they think they have a free ride now

being that the new law has passed?

- Well, I know the law has been passed,

and it's given whistleblowers an opportunity

to come forward without feeling

like they could be prosecuted, or get in trouble,

or lose their life savings, or
their pensions, or whatever,

but it's still a little touchy.

- A bombshell claim about UFOs,

a former US intelligence official,

an Air Force veteran claims

a top secret program is withholding evidence

of alien spacecrafts.

- It's really the legislation
that was passed last December

that opens up the vehicle
and avenue for these witnesses

and whistleblowers to come forward.

Now they can do it

without any of these terrible ramifications.

They should feel more confident,

and that's really the whole goal

behind this entire conference.

If these black programs are extra-constitutional

and illegal from the get-go,

then it null and voids

their national security
non-disclosure agreements,

because it's an illegal program.

So that's kind of one way that you can get around

when that's what Greer had talked about

from the very beginning.

Now we have an even more powerful piece

of legislation in place that allows these people

to come forward, and they're coming forward.

These are brand new witnesses,

and they've got bombshell information to talk about.

- I mean, one of the most important aspects

about a whistleblower is they add credibility

to this phenomena that's been going on since, you know,

since they, you know, the crash in Roswell in 1947.

I mean, we have, you know, there are, you know,

there are military officers, pilots who are, you know,

coming forward, you have
senior enlisted coming forward,

you know, what is, you know, what's gonna be key

to get people from, you know,
Lockheed Martin, or Boeing,

or Northrop Grumman who have actually worked

on some of these craft, you
know, to actually come forward

and say, "Okay, this is what I did."

I'm sticking my neck out,

I'll probably lose my clearance over it,

I'm ready to retire,

"or I'm, you know, possibly I'm terminal."

I don't wanna see anybody die,

you know, just so they can, you know,

they can release some public information,

but we need people that have retired,

where they're no longer in jeopardy,

where they don't need their clearance.

And that's the biggest hurdle to most of it

is their clearance.

If you have a clear clearance,

and you've been in this environment, you know,

most of your working life, and all of a sudden

now you're blackball you're thrown out,

because you've violated security,

and "We pulled your clearance,

we're not gonna charge you with anything,

we're just gonna pull your clearance."

And if you don't have clearance, you know,

the 30 years or 20 years you've been working

in the black projects environment is for nought.

- Now the law is a good law,

but there still are a lot of
people that are still horrified

and frightened, just because some of these agencies

that kind of operate without any oversight,

they literally don't care about loss.

So we need to have some type of a new law in place,

or some type of a oversight

that's established on these
other rogue organizations

that kind of reels them in and says,

"Hey, you guys gotta stop doing this, this, this,

and this, or we're gonna dismantle you."

And I think when we get to that point,

then you'll see a lot of people really coming forward.

It'll be like a waterfall,

like a waterfall just pouring out.

People will be coming through

left and right all over the world,

but right now, we're gonna see a trickle,

but that's okay, because a
trickle is better than nothing.

The US military shooting down

a fourth unidentified high altitude object Sunday,

this time over Lake Huron,

- What's gone on the last, you know, two weeks or so,

10 days has been nothing short of craziness.

- The balloon debacle with
China and the subsequent objects.

- Then you have the other three,

the other three, we don't know what they are.

They don't know what they are,

they haven't told anybody,
they haven't told us what it is,

they may not know themselves
and potentially may never know.

- Whatever they were that were shot down

happened within a few days of springing

the first top secret whistleblowers,

through contacts I had with
Senate Intelligence Committee,

through the aero skiff at the Pentagon.

And as they began to share the truth about this,

they wanted to reinforce the confusion

that certain members of
Congress had expressed publicly

about saying that perhaps these UAPs were in fact

objects from China.

Officials raised concerns

about the object's path,

and altitude, saying it was a safety flight hazard,

and a threat due to its
potential surveillance capabilities.

- So I think that this was done deliberately

to try to further divert and
gaslight the public, the media,

and members of Congress,

and I think it was also a test of, you know,

a trial balloon to see how the
public and media would react

to sort of an invasion scenario of objects.

This marks the third object

blasted out of the sky

in just three days. - Boom.

And comes a week

after a Chinese surveillance balloon

had Americans' eyes glued to the sky.

- That they could then say, "Oh, we're being",

our airspace is being invaded by these objects",

and see what the media and the public would do.

So I think they had two purposes.

They had a disinformation purpose,

and counterintelligence purpose,

and they had a testing of the system

to see how people would
react to this invasion of objects

over continental United States.

So I think that's why it happened.

The timing of it was exquisitely timed to coincide

with the first whistleblowers
going through the system

that had just been approved by Congress

and signed by the President in December of '22,

these events happened as you know, in February,

and by the way, there are spy objects,

and people with drones,

and all kinds of things that are picked up

by our NRO, National Reconnaissance Office,

top secret satellites all the time.

Suddenly they say, "Oh, we see these now,

and we've never seen them before."

This is ridiculous.

There's no way that in 2023 that this was revelatory

to those sort of operations,

that there are these objects there,

and "Oh well, we just hadn't seen them before."

And suddenly they start reporting it,

and there's all this buzz in the international media.

- And the Pentagon is declining

to describe these recent objects as balloons,

but this is the fourth take down in just eight days,

and lawmakers on Capitol Hill say

they're being left in the dark about the situation.

- It was reminiscent of the cover story for Roswell,

where they said, "Oh, there was

a weather balloon that crashed."

So here that's in 1947, this was 2023,

I always say the more things change,

the more they stay the same,

I'm always surprised they
can't be a little more creative.

- TMZ of all things grabbed me out on the corner

down over here, and they said,

"What do you think about this UFO report?"

I just said, "Is that a joke?"

I know they just had some dealings

about the UFO's situation with, I think,

Pentagon is gonna be taking over.

- It's totally bogus,

I mean, they're just gonna require more money from us.

- And then all of a sudden

now everybody's contacted me about it.

I told TMZ, I said, "More people believe in UFOs"

than believe in Congress",

and I ended up putting that on T-shirt on my website,

and we sell it now, it's like my number one seller.

People love that, crazy,

I just sort of threw it out there, you know.

I've been briefed in some
settings, confidential settings,

where we've been talked to,
and I've been shown some things

that I would say there's no military aircraft

that we know of in this world

that matched those descriptions.

I think more people are in tune to what's going on,

and now with all the
whistleblowers, and things like that,

and the pilots coming out.

After I went to Speaker McCarthy, he said,

"Yeah, tell Chairman Comer, I'm a go."

And so Chairman said, "Yeah", he said,

"You're heading it up", and I said, "That's great."

What they've gotta do is come forth with those files

that we've seen that are redacted, heavily redacted.

I think the number one goal of the Pentagon

and some of these military installations

and research groups, they want
more money is what they want.

They wanna come, "Oh, we want to study it, Congressman",

well, you've studied it enough,

they've got enough, in my opinion,

they've got these redacted files.

Give us the files, quit redacting them,

give us what you've got, give us this information,

let us make our own decision.

I think that it is so compartmentalized

that it'd be almost impossible until somebody

who's with those craft, or has actual pictures,

walks out with them, and says,

"This is where they're at", tells the press,

and then goes underground for a while,

because I'm sure they'll probably commit suicide

by shooting themselves in
the back of the head 10 times.

And you're talking about billions

and billions of dollars in technology.

And I mean, honestly, I mean,

and you're asking Congress to pass some ethics thing,

I mean, you honestly think anybody makes 85% return

on their investment 20 years in a row,

you know, and military intelligence

is a lot like congressional ethics.

I question whether it exists.

- Sometimes you have to
take a leap of faith a little bit,

and you have to see if people

what they're saying is gonna unfold

in the way that we would like it to unfold,

there's gonna be a little bit give and take

in this type of disclosure, where from both sides,

we have to take risks.

I mean, disclosure is a risk from both parties,

from the people coming forward,

and from the people that are also allowing it

to come forward, and putting programs in place

to allow things to come forward,

so it's a little bit of give and take,

and there's risk on both sides,

and there's potential loss on both sides, as well.

You mention UFO,

they're not on the headlines anymore.

There's something that's controlling

the narrative of this topic.

- I think so, I think that they,

you can call it the swamp,

but I do think there's some big money people

that are behind it,

and I think it has a lot to do with control.

You know, they say they'll wreck our religion,

and I'm a born again Christian,

I don't have any problem believing

that I don't believe we're the best that God could make.

The arrogance of this community up here,

it breeds arrogance.

The Bible talks about
"Professing themselves to be wise,

they became fools."

These people are foolish.

They're foolish, 'cause the American public,

the world public, every few days,

I'm on something overseas, and they're, you know,

and it's just amazing to me, the similarities

in the occurrences, and what they're seeing,

and also in the arrogance of the intelligentsia

or the governments, so to speak.

So I think there's a symbiotic relationship

is a big word from somebody
from East Tennessee to use,

but there really is, it's kind of a hand in a glove thing,

it's an evil connection between
business and government,

and it shouldn't be there,

and we have got to do something about it.

- The other huge breakthrough,
which happened three days

after the National Press
Club event that we did in June,

was the Senate Select Committee on intelligence,

as well as the Armed Services Committee

passed out of the Senate, I
believe it was unanimously,

an amendment to the Intelligence Funding Bill

that would require all these corporations,

Lockheed Skunk Works, Raytheon, Northrop, EG&G, SAIC,

to turn over the materiel,

meaning the crashed extraterrestrial vehicles,

the reverse engineered craft, the bodies,

the exotic quote unquote technologies,

within six months of the passage of the bill,

or they would be criminally prosecuted.

The other takeaway from it, however, was

how dangerous it is for the members of Congress

and the people in the White House

to have a very small part of the picture.

And what I mean by this is the old adage,

"A little knowledge is an extremely dangerous thing",

like extremely dangerous here.

And this is where you get into how Mr. Grusch

fell into the clutches of Luis Elizondo,

who then has provided cases,

such as the murdering of
civilians in Brazil by aliens

that were actually a staged operation by CIA,

and other illegal deep black projects.

But you know, someone like Mr. Grusch,

who has only talked to people indirectly,

and has limited exposure to the subject

after a couple of years of involvement,

they're very easily deceived,

and it's not Mr. Grusch's fault, but the danger is,

and this is a big danger, is that we know

that there are portfolios of
those sort of gruesome events

that get shown, for example,
to President Trump and Pence,

that were shown to Ronald Reagan.

Here's my big concern, having
been doing this for 33 years,

if the disclosure of this issue begins to pivot

towards what Wernher von Braun warned about,

the false alien threat narrative,

we're in a much worse position

than if it was kept secret for another 80 years.

So I think this is where the
rubber's gonna meet the road,

we're gonna have to really stand up a watchdog effort

to be sure that those false accounts

and false information are neutralized.

Part of my takeaway is all
of this is very encouraging,

unless it goes sideways,

and there's every indication
that these powerful interests

are gonna infiltrate the narrative

in the media and Congress, et cetera,

and deceive the public,

which is what of course they've been doing

for over 60 years.

Remember, if you look at the
ARV that Mark McCandless drew,

and that Brad Sorenson had seen at the 1988

Norton Air Force Base air show,

that manmade UFO was built in the late 50s, early 60s,

'cause it had Mercury era components on it.

So they have had these advanced platforms

that fly, anti gravs, since the mid- and late 50s,

and they have been used in
psychological warfare exercises

trying to create this false alien threat narrative.

And that means that they've
collected an enormous portfolio

of cases that they've created, that look alien,

that they can put in front of
the National Security Council,

the Congress, and whistleblowers, like Mr. Grusch,

who haven't gone in deeply enough on this issue

to know what is real and what has been faked.

So I think this is where we
have to be very, very careful.

- My name's Shawn Ryan,

I'm a former Navy SEAL and former CIA Contractor

of SEAL for six years,

then I jumped over the
agency, did nine years over there,

got over 20 combat deployments altogether.

I mean, I think the benefit of protection

to the whistleblowers is getting information

out into the public

that should have been out a long time ago.

And now that the government is offering

some sort of protection for the whistleblowers,

I think it's gonna give people the courage to come out,

and release some of this information

that needs to be released.

I do believe that there are certain programs

that civilians should not have access or know about

depending on what we don't want

our information, our classified information

to fall into the wrong hands.

With that being said, yeah it would be great

if the public did have access to it,

however, I, you know, we do have to understand

that there are, you know, there are people

that if this information was all released,

it could fall into the wrong hands, as well.

Maybe it's already into the wrong hands,

but that's not for me, you know, to decide.

Do I expect full disclosure?

- Yeah. - I don't expect

full disclosure.

I don't have that much confidence in our government.

So...

Have you ever heard of the Blue Room?

- Of the what? - Blue Room?

- I have, but I don't know enough about it to comment on it.

Well, you should inquire about the Blue Room,

and gain access somehow or another,

but it could hurt your career.

I'm not exactly sure,

but the Pentagon, the Pentagon,

there's a Pickle Deli in there,
the Pentagon apparently,

have you heard about that, as well?

- I've heard, but I, yet again, I don't know

where to ask and I don't know where to look.

If we could provide the location again...

- I would be glad to, I would inquire then.

I would love to.

Are UFOs a threat,

or is it the UAP manmade vehicles?

- I don't think any of it's a threat.

I think that, I mean, if it's manmade,

I think it'd be a threat, 'cause it'd be our enemies,

but maybe our allies that no longer fair us,

but think about this, if it was Putin or China,

I mean this is Putin literally,

and he would land one of those UFOs down here

in the front steps of the White House,

and get out bare chested,
ride a unicorn over probably,

and wrestle the President, get back in,

and fly back to Mother Russia,

China, they'd control us.

So, no, it's not.

But we've had documented so far that I've seen

what I've read in reports that's open,

that has been released.

So we've had 13 close near
encounters with these aircraft.

So you're talking about a
multimillion dollar aircraft

with an American civilian on it,

at least one that has had a
close occurrence of a collision.

Yeah, I think we need to know what's in

our military airspace that we are not controlling.

I think that's very important,

and we need to release what we know about it.

Stop with all the foolishness.

Is this really going on

within our own government?

Like some of the missions you've been on,

you're privy to some information, not others.

Did they do this purposely for what they did?

- I can't talk about that.

- They're using security as a cover for, you know,

for illicit, or illegal, or
even treasonous activities.

You should not have to worry about,

"Well, gee, am I gonna go to jail,

or am I gonna lose my clearance over going public?"

The top ranking Republican Senator

on the Intelligence Committee says

other intelligence officials
have come forward in secret

to Congress alleging firsthand accounts of UFOs.

- There's too many people out
there that have a lot of power

to prevent you from saying anything,

but there aren't enough people out there

that'll assist you, you know, such as a congressman,

congressman if they can get, you know,

if they can find out the
names of the specific programs,

or the access codes or whatever,

that's the only way you're gonna find out.

And that's what you need.

You need someone at a higher authority than a,

you know, say a colonel or even a brigadier general.

You need someone that is above a four-star general.

That would be a congressman, or a congresswoman,

or a senator to say, "Okay, you know",

we have this information, we have access, you know,

you know, we're gonna withhold fundings

from such and such a project until they, you know,

until they tell us the truth, until they open,

you know, they open up their files,

and let's see what they've done.

Let's see, you know, where have all these billions

"of dollars gone too."

Most things are classified for the sake of power,

and not power for the country,

but power for the individual
who controls the destiny

of the people below him.

- Most of these people, at some point,

or maybe even currently,
have held very high clearances,

and high positions within our government.

So you start, you do ask yourself like what incentive

would so many people with
that kind of qualification,

these are serious people

have to come forward and make something up.

- It would take a united coalition of people

within the scientific community coming together,

as one force, one united force,

and then that would be the
first tip to ending the secrecy.

Now that's according to Gordon Cooper,

and I agree with his assessment.

So if all these crash retrievals are real

according to the witnesses,
and what they're telling us,

and it appears that that is the case,

they have to have multiple repositories

around the country where they store this.

They can't put it in one place,

'cause if they have a fire, or something happens,

they're gonna lose all their assets.

So they have absolutely spread these assets

between multiple locations around the country.

Example, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,

Edwards North Base Complex, Air Force Plant 42,

McDill Air Force Base, Langley Air Force Base.

They've got assets all around these locations.

However, the most appropriate place for this

is absolutely none other

than Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,

because they have the aero medical lab there,

they can do the autopsies,

they have the foreign technology division there,

where they can test the
tensile strength of these vehicles,

and there has always been

this legendary place called the Blue Room,

where they keep the bodies, the craft, the debris,

all the evidence that we've been searching for

the last 80 years is allegedly at this location.

And former Presidential candidate,

Barry Goldwater, was good friends with Baumbach

to the stone age, Curtis LeMay, these two were friends.

Barry Goldwater had a huge interest in this subject.

So he turned to his friend, Curtis LeMay,

and said, "You know what, General?"

I know you guys have a room
over there at Wright-Patterson

Air Force Base, where you keep all this,

all the bodies and debris.

"Can I go in there?"

And he turns to Barry and said,

"Damn it, Barry, don't you ever ask me

that question again, because if you do,

I'll have you court-martialed,

because I can't even get in there."

That was essentially a direct quote.

So even someone of the caliber of Barry Goldwater

could not get access.

And it's debatable with even our highest level

presidential figures like Joe Biden,

whether he would get access

because he's nothing more than a temporary employee.

So who does have access?

- Someone way up within the defense contractors

and intelligence community in conjunction

with the United States Navy,

and the Atomic Energy Commission.

They would have access.

Is there any oversight?

- There's no access, public oversight,

or congressional oversight
when you talk about super secret

classified unacknowledged
special access programs,

and if you work in one of those projects,

and the President asks you for specific details

regarding that program,
your mandatory replies to be

"Mr. President, no such project exists."

So that's what we're up against here.

- Can you give me the names and titles of the people

with direct firsthand knowledge and access

to some of this crash retrieval,

some of these crash retrieval programs,

and maybe which facilities, military bases

that would the recovered materiel would be in?

- I can't discuss that publicly,

but I did provide that information,

both to the Intel Committees,
and the Inspector General.

- And we could get that in the skiff

if we were allowed to get in a skiff with you?

Would that be probably, what you would think?

- Sure, if you had the appropriate accesses, yeah.

- Now here's the rub.

We tried to get in a skiff with David Grusch,

and we were told no,

because he does not have
security clearance, which is bogus.

- Yeah, you know, one of the problems that happened

at that hearing, and it's at previous ones, as well,

as well as in private discussions I've had,

the members of Congress do not quite understand yet

that these operations

are completely unconstitutional and illegal,

therefore, none of these whistleblowers

need to be in a skiff to tell anything they know.

Now why?

Listen to the logic here very carefully,

because the programs
themselves were unconstitutional

and unsanctioned, illegal,

without the oversight, obviously, of the Congress,

or the White House,

they cannot claim national security cover.

You can't use the laws that
we have under national security,

frankly, to cover for an illegal operation,

because the fact that these programs are illegal

completely neutralize their rights

to claim national security.

So that is the fundamental flaw

in what Mr. Grusch said,

and even the questions asked by members of Congress,

and when I had recently a meeting

with Congresswoman Luna,

it was a very long meeting, I made this very clear,

that since these projects are illegal,

there's no need that the hearings be classified,

or that it happened in a skiff, I would say,

"Fine, you're not gonna let us talk about this in a skiff,

we'll do it in an open hearing with subpoenas",

because at a certain point,
you have to call their bluff,

and calling their bluff means we're not playing

the national security top secret game

when these projects are themselves illegally run.

Because you can't have it both ways.

You're either gonna be under the law,

which means under constitutional
supervision by Congress

and the White House, or you're not.

And if you're not, then you can't claim

you have to use the protection
of the National Security Act.

So that is something

that is a baseline level of understanding

that needs to get conveyed very quickly.

- Should you have any personal knowledge of people

who have been harmed or
injured in efforts to cover up

or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

- Yes.

- Well, I think the big takeaway is that the House

is just now beginning to investigate the issue,

the Senate has been involved
for about a year and a half

with the intelligence
material we've been providing,

which in part is how Mr. Grusch found out

about these facilities, and what was happening

in with the retrieval of extraterrestrial craft

that had been downed,

and the reverse engineering projects.

- You state that the United
States government has retrieved

supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft

and other UAP-related artifacts.

- That was just a very preliminary,

I'd spoken to Congressman Burchett beforehand,

and what they're really planning to do,

'cause I've had conversations
with Congressman Moskowitz,

and with also now Congresswoman Luna.

- For decades, countless of Americans have questions

our government's lack of transparency

regarding UAPs in our nation's airspace.

- As well as Burchett then,

and they're going to try to be moving

to getting a select committee

to investigate the UAP UFO issue,

which would have subpoena power.

And that's what I had recommended initially.

Initially, they didn't wanna
have to go to subpoena power,

'cause they know it takes the Speaker of the House

to approve a select committee
that has subpoena power,

but I think they all realize now the situation

is very serious, and that they
need to then move to that,

'cause I told them some of
the most important firsthand

whistleblowers are gonna require subpoena.

- These black budget
programs operate without ethics.

I mean, just to be quite honest, I mean,

if you look at how they operate,
and some of the testimonies

that have come forward

on some of these black budget programs,

and these projects, you see that they've done things

completely under board, not above board.

They're sneaky, they do

a lot of behind the scenes drug deals,

we know this for a fact, illegal armed deals,

they're literally making their own money

to fund their own projects outside of the system.

And to do that, they do it by means necessary.

A big example of this would be, you know,

them overseeing a lot of the harvesting of the opium,

of the poppy seeds out of Afghanistan,

a lot of illegal arms deals that happen worldwide,

and of course again then
drug trafficking for big kingpins

and things like that and
supplying kingpins with drugs.

And this is the cycle that they operate within.

If you really look and analyze things like the cycle,

and the system that happens

when big amounts of drugs are being moved,

the kingpins usually never go down,

but they're being supplied a lot of times

by some of these rogue organizations,

and then the kingpins break it down to regionals,

and the regionals rarely,

every now and then, depending on how they act,

or if they don't pay somebody off,

or somebody wants to eliminate them,

you may see one go down here or there.

But then that breaks down to the street dealers,

and then the street dealers,

they go in and out of the system,

so they make money off of that system, putting people

in and out of the private prison system,

there is no ethics whatsoever,
in my personal opinion.

I believe that there're just, there's no oversight,

and it's become the wild, wild West,

when you start to do things and you know,

like the Feds and the government

and these people and the
cops, nobody's coming after you,

it's almost like, man,

like when you look at the ancient tablets,

these guys are operating so rogue,

and they even said that, "Wow, what we're doing here,

like it's totally crazy,

we're gonna have to answer
to somebody someday for this."

And I think these people have the same mindset.

It's like, "Wow, nobody's coming after us.

We're gonna do this until we can get away with it,

until somebody finally stops us."

And they're gonna continue to do it

until somebody finally stops them.

- I just wanna be fully transparent here,

myself, Representative Burchett,

and Representative Gates
had attended an Air Force Base,

and we were blocked not only by the Pentagon,

but by the Department of the Air Force

from seeing information, talking to witnesses.

- Yeah, well the whole kerfuffle

about going to Eglin Air Force Base,

and not being given access to members of Congress.

- And they basically told us,

"We're not gonna give it to you."

The arrogance of this general was beyond belief.

- The problem with that, it wasn't planned properly

with enough intelligence and information.

Number one, the members of Congress

didn't have the detailed
information of the precise location

of the important underground facility there

that people on my team have been in, all right?

So number one, they need more intelligence,

and I've told them, "You know, you need to ask us,

and we can give you that
granular, detailed information."

Number two, you don't ask, you
show up with law enforcement,

and say, "We are going to, under the authority

of the Constitution, see this."

And you don't go in there,

and knock on the door and say, "Pretty please."

And I have actually since then said this

to members of Congress.

Let me give you an analogy.

Let's say there's, you know,

there Gambino crime family back in the day,

and they have a storefront of selling pizza, right?

And in the back, you know, there's drug running,

and all kinds of money
laundering, or whatever going on.

You don't go to that pizza
parlor, knock on the front door,

and say, "Pretty please, can I see what's in the back

and see your criminal operation?"

Right?

Who does that?

What about rogue corporations?

If they grab the technology.

- That scares me that they could get a hold of it

and move ahead with it.

That's why I think it's better
if we know out in the public

because they would have so
much control over everything

if they had that, to me,

that should be warning enough.

But the beauty of it is it's so advanced,

I still, I just think we're clueless,

you know, we're gonna,

I'd be surprised if we had anything

in the way of a reverse engineered craft,

I just don't think we have the technology

to pull that together.

I may be wrong, you know,

maybe people laughing at me
right now when they see that,

but I just think it's so far advanced

that we don't have a clue.

And I've talked to pilots, they
have said they're, you know,

basically, and they've drawn out.

Yeah, okay, I can say that I think,

they've drawn out pictures of things

that they don't exist in any military aircraft

in this world.

They got no reason to lie to me.

I mean, all they're doing is gonna get lit up,

because even if there is a, you know, they're not gonna

any retribution against them, they're still, you know,

they destroy information, they destroy tapes,

because they do not wanna have to be

taken off the flight line,

or whatever for eight hours to be, you know,

to be interrogated, when they should be saluted

for coming out with some honesty.

36-year-old Air Force veteran,

David Grusch is exposing what he calls

"A top secret military program"

that has reportedly found
wreckage of fully intact UFOs.

- This young man, David Grusch,

his first comments were very accurate,

and of course I supported those,

the unfortunate situation is, he fell into the hands

of some very good disinformation players.

Grusch alleges the US government

has recovered non-human craft for decades.

He's filed a whistleblower complaint,

saying he gave what he calls

"The classified proof to Congress"

and the intelligence community Inspector General,

- Who then started scripting
him about alien invasion,

and aliens murdering people, and things,

that first of all, he has no knowledge of.

- For the first time,

an official intelligence
representative at a high-level

from the US government is saying publicly,

"We are not alone."

- We're definitely not alone.

Absolutely, the data points empirically

that we're not alone, yeah.

- And secondly is part of the false narrative

that these illegal covert programs

that he was trying to put back under supervision

have been scripting for 75, 80 years.

So at this point, unfortunately, he's been completely,

you know, discredited from those statements,

but I do stand by the fact

that what he initially was saying is 100% true,

and the reason I know it is March of 2022,

his superiors asked me to meet with him

in Culpeper, Virginia, and it was on a Sunday,

and we have the emails for this,

and we met, and he was with a security person with him,

and at that time, he was operating

under the name Charles Davis.

It was his kind of knock.

We had an extensive meeting, and he, basically,

he was wanting to have some assistance

in finding where these assets
were, where the bases were,

how the programs were located,

and just general intelligence.

So we continued a relationship for about 14 months,

where we would periodically,

occasionally we had a call on an encrypted system,

and then we would text on an encrypted system

to run things by me, he ran into a lot of harassment,

which many of these people do,

he ended up getting stripped of his clearances,

and then he became a whistleblower,

and he registered officially as a whistleblower,

and he notified me about, I think about 10 days

before he left US government in late April,

but he wanted to pursue it on his own,

'cause he wanted to eventually get some, you know,

book deals and media deals and what have you,

which I said, you know,

that wouldn't be my
recommendation for a whistleblower,

'cause it seems not the right path, but he did it,

he's certainly a free citizen,
can do whatever he'd like.

When you say crash retrieval,

what do you mean?

- These are retrieving non-human
origin technical vehicles,

you know, call it spacecraft, if you will,

non-human exotic origin vehicles

that have either landed or crashed.

- We have spacecraft from another species.

- We do, yeah.

- How many?

- Quite a number. - You're kidding.

- No.

- Recently he said just ridiculous things,

like aliens have been murdering humans,

in reality, it's the other way around.

Covert illegal secret government
programs using aircraft

or ATs, advanced technologies,

or ARVs, alien reproduction vehicles

have been engaged in that kind of monstrosity,

and the group, someone has
fed him this false information

or disinformation to deflect his scrutiny

on what the actual criminal actions are

by this illegal group.

Now I'm not sure why he would do that,

I'm not privy to what was said

and who he got that information from,

but having dealt with 750 plus whistleblowers,

who, unlike Mr. Grusch, who was never on the inside,

he was trying to get in,

are direct people who been at Wright-Patterson,

beneath Area 51, dealt with the ET issue directly

and with the extraterrestrials directly.

None of them have that assessment.

All of them to a fault have said they're non-hostile,

that we're the ones doing these atrocities,

and it's humans that are targeting them,

not the other way around.

So I think that this is worrisome,

because someone like that
intrinsically has credibility.

But then if that person becomes a mouthpiece

for these false claims, that
can lead to, I hate to say it,

World War III, War of the Worlds.

This is very dangerous,

and this is why I always ask these people

I work with, "Don't get pulled into"

the sort of black hole of disinformation",

which is what it is,

that everyone gets pulled into on this subject.

And a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

So if you're in that position,

you have to stick and speak if you're gonna come out

strictly to what you directly saw or knew.

Now in Mr. Grusch' case,

he never got into those facilities to see the craft,

handle the body, see the manmade objects, et cetera.

But he spoke to people that
once he had enough information

on where to go, that did know about it.

But the problem is, then
you start extrapolating into

basically science fiction with this whole alien

"War of the Worlds" nonsense.

The problem with it is that
it can be taken very seriously

by people who need to discard it.

And here I'm referring to the President,

the Congress, people in the Pentagon, and elsewhere,

and the American public.

So I think this is where, you know,

at this point, we have to disavow that situation.

News agent has learned

"The Intercept" is reportedly gearing up to publish

Air Force Intelligence Officer David Grusch's

personal medical records.

The former intelligence official says

that the online publication
is set to detail his history

with post-traumatic stress,
and a story later this week.

And he believes the government leaked

those records to the press.

He's not alone.

- Well of course, you always have operatives,

who are gonna put out, you know,

defaming information
about anyone telling the truth,

so yes, we have had, I think
Michael Herrera has had someone

try to challenge him,

luckily we have a source
currently in the deep black world

that has sent us material confirming what he saw

with those crates that were trafficking in humans

for these covert programs,

and it's a basically a slave trade.

Although ostensibly these are very poor people

who are given a choice,

but they're starving, or they're gonna be killed,

so they say, "Oh yeah, I'll do it."

So it's under great duress,

but you know, what happens
is they know that the best way

to discredit someone, it's
just like a political campaign

is to throw out

a lot of false negative information about them.

This revelation comes weeks

after Grusch told Congress

that the government retaliated against him

for claims about a secret UFO retrieval program.

- You know, the fact that they,

somebody put that out there about Mr. Grusch

having had PTSD, well, anyone who's been

in a forward-operating theater like Afghanistan,

or anywhere else has some degree of PTSD,

'cause the things you see,

and the things you have to do are traumatic.

So I don't see that that, you know, hurts anything,

it just shows how desperate these people are

to try to maintain the secrecy,

and to what depths and
depravity and cruelty they'll go to.

And it actually says more about them.

I think the problem is they're
gonna keep playing that hand,

and I think the general
public is gonna see through it,

and are gonna see that it's
an outrageous kind of behavior,

so that to me, it just indicates

that these covert illegal
projects are getting desperate.

- A Michael Herrera, Marine, who was part of a platoon

that went to Indonesia in 2009,

and his platoon came across

an advanced technology anti-gravity craft

that was offloading contraband
weapons, as well as crates.

And he said "Those crates
were for human slavery trafficking"

where they're taking women, children, people,

and putting them in an experimental program,

"that's rather monstrous, where most of them die."

And I have the written communication on that

from this very highly placed person, which actually,

as he said at the National Press Club, Herrera,

Mr. Herrera said this is much
worse than what he had feared

when he was thinking they was just drugs,

'cause now we're talking about human slavery,

and trafficking, and torture.

- So it's October 9th is when we basically said

anchored down off the Western part of Sumatra,

there was an earthquake and
tsunami hit September 30th,

and we were already on
humanitarian assistance missions

out in the Philippines,

this is out in Southeast Asia, of course,

with the Seventh Fleet,

I was with Second Battalion, Fifth Marines,

most decorated infantry
battalion in the Marine Corps,

so we did a lot of warfare training,

humanitarian assistance,
maritime operations, you name it.

So as we discovered that we were getting notified

that there was a natural disaster

that happened over in the Western side of Sumatra,

or Indonesia, more specifically,

my ship, which was USS Denver,

was the only thing that was routed out

to that area of operation.

So we broke apart from the formation,

we ended up sailing up over there,

took a couple days to do it,

dropped anchor around October 8th or 9th of 2009,

in response to this.

Once we landed into a clear
area at this LZ, they started,

other helicopters were coming with supplies

that were underneath, they
started dropping them off,

and it's very jungle terrain, you know,

so you have pretty high
trees, it's very thick vegetation,

so we could see an opening,

where we were gonna go position
ourselves and get Overwatch.

So once we made the decision to do that,

we patrolled up to that point,

and then we again faced the area of operation,

where the sealers are coming
in, dropping supplies off,

and they were flowing very
low to the ground in comparison,

skimming the trees,

and what it looked like from our point of view,

but again, we're also, you know, higher up compared to

what the level of ground that they were on.

So I'm videotaping this,

and I look towards the North part of this ridge,

and over the top, over beyond it,

there's something sitting there off in the distance

that's rotating, and it's trending these colors

of a light matte gray,

and it's transitioning to a very dark matte black,

it sticks out like a sore thumb.

So it's something that, you
know, in a tactical position,

you're looking for stuff that's very odd,

and that was something that
stuck out like a sore thumb.

So eventually all of us,

six Marines locked eyes on each other,

we were like, "You know, what is this?"

So we're seeing, you know, it's abnormal,

never seen anything like it.

We made the decision to go down there.

Now one thing that's weird
about this is we were never given

any kind of comms, no radios or nothing.

So usually if something like that, we'd called in,

and we didn't have anything to call in.

So we made the decision to make a tactical column

is what you would basically patrol up to,

because you have eyes on everything, front,

flanks, as well as rear.

You have marines, always, you know,

observant, things like that, it works very well,

so we got up down the slope and kind of level

with this thing.

It was huge.

It was about 300 feet, I would estimate,

because the helicopters we came in on

are about a 100 feet almost,

and you could fit three of
these things like lengthwise

underneath this platform
that was basically floating,

and it was about 15, 20 feet off the ground.

There was another platform
that was underneath of it,

and there's like boxes,

there's other stuff that was there,

we couldn't really see much because one,

it's a good distance away,

but two, with what I'm about to tell you

is kind of the reason why we weren't able

to get good visual of it,

because as we had made contact, at least got close,

probably about 150 meters, we were intercepted

by a team of eight militants, if you wanna call it that.

These are guys that had American accents,

these are guys that had American gear,

it was black OTV vests,

similar to what we had in the Marine Corps.

They had black camouflage
utilities, they had ball caps,

there was no ranks, there was no insignias,

there was nothing.

We were petrified of what we just witnessed.

You know, we have this situation

of what's in front of us, and then we have this.

When you
witnessed this craft, did you think

that is otherworldly?

- No.

The only reason why is because this had seams,

this had rivets, this had, you know,

clear things that you could tell it was constructed.

- So this is a manmade UAP? - Yeah, 100%.

Well, I mean the other thing is too,

if it was otherworldly,

why would they be needing military force there,

and why would they be, you know, having to have trucks

that they had driving up onto this platform

that had weapon cases that we know

for a fact were weapon cases,

because it's stuff that we've loaded before,

very identical to what we had.

The only thing that was out of place was in the trucks,

because they were up armored F-350s,

but they had shipping containers

that were, that's what it resembles.

I'm not sure if it was really necessarily

a shipping container, but it was a metal container

that had the same setup as that,

a little bit smaller,

it had a front cylinder on the very front of it,

and that was a signal to me,

especially being the heavy
equipment industry these days,

'cause we've seen applications like this,

and it's to preserve

either something like vegetation or oxygen,

so something for vacuum to suck the oxygen out, or vac,

or to put oxygen, or keep filtering that.

- Now he initially thought those were likely drugs,

'cause he had known that he had heard

this sort of thing had happened.

One of our very highly placed
intelligence whistleblowers

who has not come forward,
has been on a similar operation.

And he said those crates were
for human slavery trafficking,

where they're taking women, children, people,

and putting them in an experimental program,

that's rather monstrous, where most of them die.

And I have the written communication on that

from this very highly placed person.

Which actually, as he said at the National Press Club,

Herrera, Mr. Herrera said, this is much worse

than what he had feared when he was thinking

they was just drugs,

'cause now we're talking about human slavery,

and trafficking, and torture.

- If you were to go somewhere, hike out,

let's say you're out in Hawaii,

and you see an operation go like this,

and you try to call the police, you try to call the FBI,

you try to call somebody.

Now are they're gonna take you serious?

They're not gonna take you serious,

they're gonna think you're crazy.

So it's a very good cover,

and having thought of this for 14 years,

and reliving this thing every day,

and thinking about it, it's a genius move on their part,

'cause it discredits anybody who tries to report it.

It doesn't matter who rank you are,

doesn't matter what bill you've got in the military,

it doesn't matter if you're a President

of the United States, you're not gonna talk about that.

But that's what happened.

That's what I saw.

- Luckily his statements,

Mr. Herrera's statements have resulted in

a number of people coming forward through channels,

who are also talking about a very disturbing

human genetic experimentation
projects and other things.

Now these are all things I've known about

for about 30 years from sources,

but they have people like Mr. Herrera,

who's a decorated Marine, who had six of them,

five other buddies who saw this,

and by the way, we have all the names

of these other witnesses to this incident,

but they don't wanna come forward,

one of them just flat out said,

"You know, it's dangerous, I'll be killed",

because they were threatened with being executed.

And this is a familiar theme.

Often, these people are clearly told

"You signed this, and if you talk about it,

we're gonna kill you."

Now, of course, that in of itself is illegal.

The universal code of military justice, the UCMJ,

it doesn't allow for an extra legal execution

of an American citizen,
ever, under any circumstances.

But the fact that that is a repeating pattern

is something that that should be a great alarm

to the Pentagon, the Congress, and the White House,

and the American people, that these guys are heroes.

- They wanted to kill us.

I know for a fact, you can look in their eyes,

and tell when somebody wants to kill you,

that they had that face,

that stone-cold face, that appearance.

And for some reason, I either
thank the universe, thank God,

whatever it is that kept us out of getting killed,

I'm thankful every single day for that.

So they took our weapons
from us, they cleared them out,

dumped our magazines out of
our flack jacket onto the deck,

and I'm looking at the craft.

So after these trucks, there was four of them total,

and they drove onto this platform,

and like I said, I kept getting distracted with this,

because obviously there's guns in our face,

don't know what's gonna happen with that,

I was glancing back and forth, so I didn't necessarily

get to see these trucks unload

what they had off onto that platform,

I didn't see how they did it,

but I saw the trucks drive off, and they disappeared.

So after the last two trucks went onto that platform,

that platform actually began

to rose up off the ground itself.

And the top part met and basically merged together.

So after these two parts merged together,

we witnessed this thing
actually go up past the tree line,

and this thing shot over our left, instantaneously,

no sonic boom, and it was very eerie to see that happen,

and it was just instantaneous.

So as that happened, they didn't, this force,

whatever it was, told us to basically turn to the rear.

And here I am thinking personally, "Oh crap, you know,

we're gonna get capped, you know, we're gonna get around

in the back of the head or something."

And it wasn't the case.

So they put these magazines in a way

that would be kind of hard to get out,

and try to slap in your weapon,

by the time you'd do that, they would shoot you.

So they knew what they were doing with this.

So after they put our magazines in, they took our M-16s,

and they slung them on our back,

and they put away, that would basically be very hard

to sling over and try to grab,

try to load it, and try to engage.

We were not to look back,

because they would smoke us, right?

And mind you, the whole time
that we're observing this crap,

when they have us at gunpoint,

they're telling us that they could kill us,

they could throw us outta a helicopter,

it's very easy to get lost in a jungle.

Like everything you can think threat-wise,

this is what they were saying.

After we end up going to the slope,

they told us to get the hell
out of there, and we booked it.

I mean, that's probably the fastest I've ever ran

besides trying to do a physical fitness test

trying to get a good score,

but we ran to the LZ that we came from,

and there was a gunnery sergeant there,

and he was not in my unit,

but he was either attached to the ship,

whether it was a combat
loading support, whatever that is,

but he was chewing our ass,

because we came to, we basically came back too soon.

So he was asking why we were condition four,

condition four means that you basically

have an empty weapon.

So we waited for the next bird to come,

and the bird did come, and we boarded it,

we went back to the ship, which was the USS Denver,

we went to the armory to turn back our weapons in,

and we gave them back our ammunition,

we went to our birding, took our gear off,

and just had our cammies,

and we were told to report to the flight deck,

at least everybody who
participated in the operation.

And I found my camera that I actually recorded this

when I took some pictures of this

before it went down the hill,
put it back in my dump pouch,

I found it on my rack,

and then the memory card was missing out of it,

as well as the battery.

So you couldn't turn it on or nothing.

And I had it in my locker,

I had everything locked up, secured,

always tug on that thing

to make sure, 'cause I don't want stuff stolen,

and the ironic thing too was the fact

that the other five Marines that were with me

actually had their phones missing,

in case they end up getting some of this too,

which none of them did, at least I'm aware of.

But I think I was the only one

that actually had something that was recording.

So that is out there somewhere,

whoever's got it, I would like to see that,

I would, I'm sure you guys would too,

because the way that this
thing looked, it was just crazy.

So I get a call from the duty saying

I'm to report to the CP.

There was nobody there.

I was greeted by an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel.

He had a silver oak leaf on his collar,

he had a dress blue uniform, no name tag, right?

He had jump wings, he had a,
you know, mountain of ribbons,

but he had no name tag, at least on this side.

And he had told me, basically when we tried

to forget about this whole event,

he had pulled me into an office, sits me down,

and says, "You're not to tell anybody"

in your chain of command,

I don't care if a general asks you,

I don't care if a President asks you,

I don't care if you're company commander,

or anybody asks you, you are not to tell him anything.

You can get killed, or you can get put in prison

for the rest of your life.

"I'm gonna need you to sign this."

So he slides a paper across the desk,

and I skimmed through it shortly, you know,

reading a little bit, but at the same time,

I wanna get the hell out of there.

So I looked through it, there's two things

that stuck out to me, at
least recalling this happening.

They had TSSCI on there,

top secret, secure compartment information,

as well as Indonesia as a place.

So I signed it, dated it,

put my social security number on that,

as you're supposed to with all these military NDAs,

and I gave it to him,

I tried to ask him who he was, and he didn't say anything,

and he walked out, and I hightailed it back.

And I haven't spoke about this for 14 years.

So ever since this system came out,

where allowed people who
were in similar situations

regarding this issue,

I'm thankful at least to have the assets available

to make this happen,

regarding the risks and things like that,

these guys, obviously they thrive under secrecy,

they thrive under the shadows,

but obviously, the shadows will go away

if you're shining a light into it,

and I believe that that's
what's gonna happen eventually.

I hope they can hold
accountability to these operations,

these people conducting them,

these companies that are building these craft,

and using them for illegal purposes, when, you know,

everybody could benefit as a whole

from this kind of technology.

- I think the most important thing that happened

was these witnesses coming
forward, talking about things

that the people have never heard could be possible.

Like DC Long, talking about
there being this at Fort Bragg

on Range 19, a technology that was vibratory,

that could just lift and levitate 100 ton, you know,

big, huge concrete item.

- My name is DC Long.

I'm a retired Army Sergeant,

time of service, 1997 to 2014.

My father was a government contractor,

and in my spare time, you know,

he would ask me to help out with the company,

and same way it's been our entire lives.

He exclusively worked for
the Army Corps of Engineers.

That's who he submitted all of his contracts to.

We were told whenever he was
at 18th Airborne Headquarters,

working in the G5 War Room, doing some modifications

that there was gonna be an escort

coming from JFK Warfare
Center to take us over to a place

that I later found out was called Range 19.

They came, picked us up, confiscated our phones, IDs,

any electronics we had, we had to leave it with them.

They put us in the van, as I said before, no windows,

no access to the front compartment,

it was essentially just a box inside,

it reminded me of a prison transport.

And we get to the destination
about 15 minutes travel time.

And whenever he opened the door, we were closer

to the entrance than you and I are at this point.

It literally looked like a trash dump,

there was garbage everywhere, the smell,

but there was an angled concrete walkway

protruding outta one of the piles

that was directly in front of us,

and that's where we went in.

We met another escort at that point,

and led us over just about 20 meters in

to a freight elevator.

We both got on with the two escorts

into the freight elevator.

After some time, the elevator stops, the doors open,

immediately to my right,

there were small personnel, Conex, four of them,

and I could see just 45 degrees to myself

looking into the hangar that we were walking in,

there was this large monolithic slab,

looked like it was elevated off of the ground.

As we get closer, I could feel

the vibrations coming off
of it, but there was no sound.

I said before, the loudest thing in the room

was the silence.

I could only hear the footfalls
of the guys in front of me

and the escort behind me.

My natural curiosity took over.

I stopped.

"I gotta tie my shoes."

So I get down, and I'm glancing to the right,

and I'm trying to register what it is that I'm seeing,

because as I said, walking in, this monolithic slab

that looked nondescript there,

the little black box on the top of it,

there was nothing holding it up.

And the point to where I was sitting,

the vibrations were so intense, it was disorienting,

it felt like it wanted to pull me, push.

Looking up underneath it, I could see

that there was another boulder in the back

with someone standing next to it.

It was flat on the ground,

just a chalky white boulder-looking thing,

and off to my right, there was another.

And there was a man standing there with his back to me,

and I could see him moving it left and right, no sound,

it was about 10 inches off the ground,

no sound whatsoever.

At this point, you know,

the escort's got his knee in my back, "Let's go."

I got up, we proceeded to follow on

to the other side of the hangar,

and we went to our appointed place at that time,

went down two flights of stairs,

and that's whenever we got to the old shoot house.

After all that was said and
done, about 10 minutes later,

we go to make our way back upstairs

going through the same hangar,

it was absolutely empty.

The amount of time that we were down there

was nothing more than, you know me only say measure,

he goes out, writes it down in his notebook.

So at some, you know, you could hear

that there was nothing going on upstairs,

no ambient noise whatsoever,

just the escorts watching us, dad get done,

we wrapped it up, we go back upstairs,

as a said, there was absolutely nothing there.

We get back up, get back out,

get to 18th Airborne headquarters again

to retrieve our vehicles, our identification.

At some point, my father had said something

to the guy that I'd recognized,

and immediately he grabs a notebook out of his hand.

Everything that he had written down under there

said something that I couldn't hear.

And we popped smoke.

We left the area.

Whenever he got back up to
18th Airborne headquarters

in the G5, there was an
individual that was seated across,

as soon as you walk in, I mean you're walking into

the war room at 18th Airborne is inside of a vault.

You know, a foot and a half metal door,

escort has to open for you,

but we get in there, and the
guy's sitting across the table,

didn't recognize the guy, but
he had two pieces of paper,

and he slid it across,

and my dad said, "Mr. Long, take a seat,

this is a non-disclosure agreement."

He was like, "I'm not signing that shit."

And I just laughed it off.

I'm like, "Come on man.

Really?

I'm in the military, I don't care about none of this."

What we saw down there was enough to let me know

that I shouldn't be seeing this,

but it wasn't enough that it made me want to dig into it,

or to ask my friends, or brag about it,

I just wanted to just leave it where it was.

Shortly after the incident,

it was within 24, 48 hours,

everything that my father possessed

in relation to the construction company,

POVs, equipment, materials was seized.

It was taken, you know.

But we've never been well off,

but we were doing okay.

Everything that we had that could be contributed

to the company was taken.

Electronics, computers,
small tools, insignificant tools.

It was all collected and taken.

What tipped me off, 'cause like I said, my father,

he didn't tell me anything,

he didn't clue me in as to what was going on,

because I don't think that he knew.

I got a call from one of his employees.

I was getting ready to head back to Georgia,

and he said, "Hey man, you need to get up here."

I was like, "Why, what's going on?"

He is like, "They're taking your stuff."

And I was like, "What do you mean?"

He is like, "I'll tell you when you get here.

Come on."

And by the time that I got
there, there was nothing there.

It was all gone.

All the staging area where
we had all of our equipment,

our grade alls, our scissor lifts,

and all the specialty tools
for different types of jobs

that we performed was absolutely gone.

Everything.

I never saw it leave, I don't know where it went.

I didn't get an explanation.

When I saw my father that day,

he was back at his house, the door was off the frame,

and he was just sitting on the couch,

and he just cut his head down,

he is wiping his face, and I said, "Hey, daddy."

And he just looked up at me,

and I said, "Hey man, do you think this has anything to do

with Range 19?"

And pardon my language, he said,

"Don't you ever fucking say those words to me again."

And that was the last time

I got to hear my father's voice.

In 2011...

It is difficult to describe

what it would take for a
parent to say that to their child,

regardless whether I'm a grown
man or not, that's my daddy.

I saw him before he died,

I found out a couple of weeks prior

through some family that he
had stage four terminal cancer.

They claimed it was his
lungs, it was his liver, pancreas,

I mean, throw a dart at an anatomy board

they would've said that he had it.

But my daddy was 6'3, 6'4, 240 pounds,

he was a big boy.

And from that man, from the time that he passed away,

he was 98 pounds.

But I was walking in Cape Fear Valley looking for him,

I locked eyes with him, and I walked right by him,

I was like, "That's not my dad.

That's some old guy, some old man, just nothing."

And even sitting there,

I tried to talk to him first,

he just, he looked away,

and I could see the shame in his eyes,

like it is hard to describe,

you know, where we're from,

you do a lot of communication
without saying anything.

And I could see the shame,

and the pain in my father's eyes.

He was trying to speak to me.

The chemo had burned his lips.

It burned his tongue, and I just said,

"Man, I don't care, we're square, I love you",

but I never gotta hear his voice again.

The last thing I did hear was,

"Don't you ever say fucking that to me again."

Do you think it's because of

what you witnessed at Range 19?

- I did my digging, I absolutely believe

that something was said, or something was done.

I don't mind losing my career,

but it it kills me that I lost my dad.

You asked me why I chose
after all these years to speak up.

I mean, I could sit here all day

to give you a million reasons why,

but it just boiled down to the fact

that I heard a man much smarter than me

say that "When good men do nothing, evil prevails."

And I'd be damned if I'm gonna
disrespect my father's memory

by sitting on my hands, and giving up.

And the people around you,

I don't have the strength to stand on my own.

No matter what I've done in combat, in life, as a man,

I need these guys.

I need all of these people here,

because I just, I don't have
the energy and the strength,

because I'm afraid, not for me,

for my kids, for their children,

you know, I couldn't do it without 'em.

Absolutely not.

I was too scared when I was contacted

close to a year ago about doing this.

I said, "No, you know, you have what I wrote,

do with it what you will."

And they didn't pressure me,

they didn't, you know, hound me, it didn't keep coming up,

it was just that small realization
when I saw the interview

with Dr. Greer, and he said that,

and it just hit me in the gut.

And I was just tired of being a coward.

- These guys are heroes.

Now, another one,

a man who has very serious PTSD due to what happened

to him was at the Fort Irwin
live fire desert training range

in 2000 when a couple of Raytheon representatives

were there, and there were manmade UAPs

that were brought onto the range,

it caused the whole range to close down.

- My name is Steven Michael Digna Jr.,

I'm a former Sergeant in the United States Army.

I was stationed at Fort Irwin, California,

out of Barstow, California.

I was a young Private when I got there,

and I rapidly promoted to the position of NCO.

A few months in, quite a few months in, you know,

a lot of hard things had happened out in that desert

while I was in this situation,

however, I learned that I learned fast,

you know, I had very little guidance,

not to say, it basically was,

I fell into the position very well.

I fell into the point, where I was solo all the time.

So there was a long live fire.

It was a live fire,

I do believe, to the best of my recollection,

01-08, it would be June, July

is the months where that falls in,

so what we would do is we'd go out down range

for two to three weeks at a time,

and we would commence with live fire exercises

for desert warfare training, for armor mechanized

and cavalry, armor mechanized cavalry regiments,

primarily Raytheon is the gentleman

that I worked with inside that bunker,

and that also kind of worked
in situ with the Air Force.

One night, we were out there towards the end

of one of the live fire rotations, you know,

the two-to three-week-long rotations,

the trainees were actually dug into the desert,

their tanks were dug in,

and they were actually observing the desert,

a lot of the Ford observers, we had their scopes out,

and they were actually looking for

an attack from our targetry.

I got a call from a sink car radio came in,

and it said "Cease fire, cease fire, cease fire."

So when you receive a cease
fire, cease fire, cease fire,

that's a big deal.

This shuts down the range,

and this means no more firing can commence

until further authorization.

The gentleman was whispering, which was haunting.

This isn't something normal,

and unless there's danger close, right?

Or you feel you're threatened.

Yeah?

Or perhaps you're trying to keep the volume down

from anybody else around, maybe the trainees.

They don't want you to know that, you know,

hey, something's off.

So I got a call that says

"Cease fire, cease fire, cease fire."

We've got lights above the range,

and immediately that's a no go.

This was not scheduled,

I immediately, you know, kind of pivoted,

looked at the two Raytheon personnel

that were just to my left of that radio,

from there, you know, they
gave me the shrug of shoulders,

I don't know, so I instantly looked up into a camera

that monitors our bunker, gave it a very dirty look.

As I pivoted and took a step forward, I pounded on the,

I went to pound on the United States Air Force doors,

because instantly, when I turned in, you know,

I got that look and I looked in that camera,

right when I looked in that camera, ka-chunk,

as I'm turning.

I pounded on that door real hard,

like I'm, you know, like I got a warrant for your arrest,

due to the position I held,

I was the highest in the bunker,

and the only representative
of the United States Army

active duty, you know, service at that time,

besides the Raytheon personnel.

So I got no response,

and I turned to those two guys flabbergasted,

'cause they were the most experienced guys there.

I looked over at them and I says,

you know, you know "What's going on?"

"What is this?"

And they looked at me and says, you know,

they kinda smirked, gave me the big old grin,

and that queued me in, and, you know,

they're aware of these things,

this isn't new to them, and I asked, "So whose is it?"

And they both kind of smirked again, you know, big grin,

and popped the eyebrow up,

and I don't know, we don't know.

They didn't say anything.

They just shrugged their shoulders, you know,

so, but the eyebrow cue, that was a very clear cue.

This is our bird, but without verbal confirmation.

They said, "Do you wanna go see it?"

And hell yeah, I wanted to go see it.

I walked out, kind of had to let my eyes adjust

right as I, you know, exited the TARC,

went through the hallway,
ended up on an observation deck,

which kind of acted also as our brake area.

As I exited the bunker,

and kind of seen the two guys at the far corner

of the bunker, I saw seven lights,

and they were in a V-formation, identical,

identical to the pictures we
saw from the Phoenix lights.

As I observed this, I, you know, I felt the hum of it,

you know, I could feel a

I could feel that inside my body,

and I could smell ozone, you know,

and electrical charge,

ozone or an electrical charge, you know,

like right after the rainstorms,

so these white lights were not reflecting,

or spotlighting to the ground,

I observed that, that was odd to me,

I expected to see some form
of illumination on the ground,

so these points were propagating a light

that does not have lensing effect.

It's just generating light.

I'm no longer afraid to speak about it.

It's been 20 years,

and hundreds of soldiers have died out there

on the battlefield, and that tech's out in the range,

and at that point in time, I kind of hit

a big hit of my cigarette, put 'em down,

and, you know, I was gonna take another look,

and as I did that, I noticed, oh, shit,

these guys are giving me a really dirty look.

And they're shaking their head,

and they're really upset with me, you know?

So at that point, you know,

I got this sinking feeling in my stomach,

I think I just got them in
trouble or myself in trouble.

The two Raytheon personnel headed inside,

and I kind of just took a deep breath, you know,

kind of shaking that off,

I took a hit of that cigarette

and I just looked again, you know,

just to kind of like, is that real?

You know, like, am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?

Let's get confirmation,

and then I took a brief look, couple more minutes,

finished that cigarette, took a deep breath,

and then just went inside.

As I got inside the bunker, back into the TARC,

I kind of just stopped for a second,

couldn't really figure out what to do.

Walked over to that camera
I had looked at originally,

and I said, "Eh."

Crank it up.

And I then went over to the logbook,

and I drew a little shape into that logbook.

And we've requested that information directly

to be looked at from the proper authorities.

So that information's been
requested for those log books.

If they've disappeared, then there's a reason.

And they shouldn't have disappeared by law.

This was a very powerful electromagnetic system,

electro magneto system,
electro magneto plasmic system,

well, I would love to get into

and shake the hands of the men that built this,

it's phenomenally beautiful.

It's elegant.

It's too bad that it's gonna be used to cause harm,

and in war.

Look, this is the most top
secret shit you've ever heard of.

And these men are guarding it.

They believe that they're protecting us.

I'm a bending born signal soldier

with the heart of a super sampler combat engineer,

I'm putting this out there to keep those boys alive,

and to get tank warfare ended because it's obsolete,

and whoever's controlling
this needs to be investigated,

they need to hand over the
reins, because it's not theirs.

It's the property of the United States Military,

and people, not the controllers of this.

It belongs to the people and
the free citizens of the globe.

And you've broken a technology

that can save lives of everyone on the planet.

You're liars.

You're covering up the truth, and you want me silenced?

You want that gentleman
that spoke before me silenced?

You want Dr. Greer's people silenced?

You want all of those men, including Murph,

one of the bravest men

to ever serve in the United States Military

and Armed Forces, you want us silenced?

And we will not stand down,

we are here to stay, and we will bark, sound clear,

and if you don't move that RICO action, we'll find you.

The forward actions you have planned,

they will not succeed,

some good people are here, and we won't fail.

- All of these guys,

they've lived with this horror, frankly,

for many times, decades, 20 years, however long.

And to be able to find brothers
who have gone through it,

where they get support,

and it's one of the things I like doing,

that's why we bring 'em together for a day or two

before they get to know each other,

they bond, they share war stories,

so it's something that I find
helps them psychologically,

gives them emotional support, social support,

and that's something I think

people have to be compassionate about,

because if you've gone through these sort of events,

and it's real, it is traumatic,

and they all have PTSD over it.

I think vicariously, I have
PTSD just by having debriefed

about 1,000 of people like that.

I mean it's unbelievable.

- I personally had the greatest level of access

to the South Pole Station when I was there.

I had a key that opened every single door,

and as a member of the fire brigade team,

I was pretty much read into every technology

going on in every room,

so that if I was to enter in an emergency capacity,

that the safety of my crew could be guaranteed by me,

through my understanding of the facility.

At the time that I was there for the year,

the duration that I was on site,

I was kind of just sponging
up all the intel that I could,

taking what it was as presented.

It wasn't until after I got off of the ice

that I started getting contacted by former crew

that they were suffering what
we now know are the symptoms

of Havana Syndrome, so it was at that point

that I started doing due diligence,

further investigation with other crew members,

people outside of the crew

to find out what was really going on down there,

and it was through the connecting of those dots,

deciphering my experience, so to say,

that I learned that there was

much more nefarious activities going on.

What kind of nefarious things

was going on over there?

What kind of experiments were they working on?

- Well, for starters, they have the ability

to generate earthquakes,

which makes it a directed energy weapons system.

In Southern Turkey,

buildings crumble like sand.

Whoa, whoa.

- It's a multifaceted system,

it's the world's largest telescope as presented,

but now with the capacity to transmit,

it also makes it the world's largest

phased-array transmitter,

so it's manifold in what it can do,

as I just mentioned before,
it can generate earthquakes.

As brought up in my presentations this week,

and as presented to the
Senate Intelligence Committee,

and the Arrow Group documented for everybody

to find out in the future is that this thing also

is like the air traffic control for UFOs,

both ours, other peoples
on this planet, off-world stuff,

the ability to detect the
neutrinos from exotic engines,

whatever you might wanna
call them, propulsion systems,

additionally, it has the ability

for faster than light communications

through quantum entanglement,
and that type of science,

it's new to most people, but this is what's going on.

If ships can travel faster than light speed,

which we know are out there already,

then we have to have a means to communicate with them.

So this is what we need to
know is that the hardware exists,

the facilities are staffed and manned,

and everything's active,

unbeknownst to most of the people on this planet.

As far as who's causing the earthquakes,

it would be very challenging to identify

since the facility changes
hands with great regularity,

and this is how these programs operate.

Currently, the contractor's Lockheed Martin,

prior to it was Raytheon Polar Services,

but in reality, this is like a pay-to-play situation.

This is where folks have to understand

that it goes above and beyond
the governments of nations

and the borders thereof.

These are, as Greer had stated earlier in the week,

these are transnational issues,

where the borders no longer matter,

the party politics no longer matter, it's pay-to-play.

These people are bidding for contracts, and you know,

just because you're gonna provide services

to the South Pole Station, well now you get the keys

to the car, so to say.

And what they do with that is completely up to them,

because it's so remote, and
there's obviously no oversight,

this is the scariest thing is
that it's brand new weaponry

that could be used however they decide.

- One of the messages I wanna provide right now

that needs to go wide, and
I've been authorized to say this,

if you are working in one of these facilities,

you're probably at a mid-level

or lower level person doing
OPSECs, operational security,

base security, facility, corporate security,

you don't know that at the very top,

that whole project is being run illegally.

Now I'm telling you it is,

and we can prove it in any court of law.

And our legal team is in the process

of launching a legal proceedings
as civilians to prove this.

So if someone shows up with law enforcement, FBI,

and with officials in the US government,

you are to put your arms down,

and you are to let them have ingress to come in.

And the reason you must is that if you don't,

you are actually committing treason

against the United States of America.

Therefore you are not to resist,

and if anything, you should defect from the program,

and come to us, and provide the information,

but at a minimum, if there are authorized officials

from the legal, Constitutional government

of the United States and law enforcement

that come to your corporation,

or your base, you are to cooperate.

And this is a message we have to get out to the public,

because it will sift through into the people

who work in these facilities.

All of these lower ranking people, both corporate

and in these top secret bases and operations,

they don't know.

They're not the ones who
are deceiving the White House

and the Congress, or even being insubordinate

to senior people in the Pentagon.

But first, the Congress has to understand

how they put a team together,
where they go specifically,

and that they go there with proper

legal enforcement capability.

And I don't believe that's making an appointment,

and showing up at Area 51,

and saying, "I wanna be taken into, you know, S4,

or S3 at the level where they're ET craft's stored."

Right?

Because we know where those are.

I don't believe that's gonna happen.

Let me tell you a story that is illustrative of this.

Back years ago, I debriefed
a man, who had been security

at Sandia National Labs outside Albuquerque.

And it has historically had
involvement with studying

some of the ET materiel,
and figuring out how they work.

And back in the 60s, later 60s,

Vice President Hubert Humphrey showed up there,

and it was a motorcade,

and asked to get in to the Sandia facility

to see this materiel,

just like these members of Congress tried recently

down at Eglin.

The security officer there said,

and I'm quoting 'cause he was the guy, he said,

"Sir, we have orders to shoot to kill

anyone who is not specifically authorized

to be in this facility,

and that includes the Vice
President of the United States."

Now this was a direct statement

from a security officer who was at Sandia.

So I think this means that you're going to have to be

a little, stand up a little more rigorous way

of rocking that system back.

- If the Department of the Air Force,

if the Pentagon thinks that they're above Congress,

they have something else coming to them,

we told them we were going to do this,

if they continue to hide information,

and ultimately, the American
people deserve the facts.

- Again, you know, if it's being run illegally,

and they don't respect the
constitutional government,

or Congress or the White
House, then how do you fix this?

Well, it isn't "Pretty please."

And I'm not saying it has to be at all violent,

it just has to be firm and backed up with the ability

of force and law enforcement.

And that hasn't happened yet, but that needs to happen.

I believe it will.

I think that is what will happen, eventually.

- Do you believe our government has made contact

with intelligent extraterrestrials?

- It's something I can't discuss.

- Do you have knowledge or
do you have reason to believe

that there are programs in the advanced tech space

that are unsanctioned?

- Yes, I do.

- If the aircraft was armed, do you believe

that your aircraft or any aircraft in possession

of the United States could have shot the Tic Tac down?

- I'd say no.

- Do you have any personal knowledge of someone

who's possibly been injured working on legacy

UAP reverse engineering?

- Yes.

- And when you say that they're above

congressional oversight, what do you mean?

- A complicated question.