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dream
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when you're feeling blue
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dream
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that's the thing to do
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things never are
as bad as they seem
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so dream
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dream, dream
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on april 8, 2000,
mark hogancamp was in a bar.
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he left the bar
about closing time.
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and a group of five individuals
had been in the bar harassing him,
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then they went outside, followed
him, and beat him senseless.
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stomped on him, and did some
pretty bad damage to his brain.
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the doctors had to
rebuild his face.
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the impact on the brain
from the assault
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was such that he was
in a coma for 9 days.
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to see your 38-year-old son
having to learn how to eat again,
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taking his first steps.
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i mean, seeing your 38-year-old
son starting to walk again.
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and seeing it,
it's heart breaking.
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he was there for 40 days
in the hospital.
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and then they dismissed him
because he couldn't pay for it
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when he was on medicaid.
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i took care of mark
for 2 years
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after he got out
of the hospital.
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i mean, he really literally
had to learn everything over.
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he went to therapy
for a very short time.
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it was-- all these physical
therapies he went through
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and talking and word
search and all this stuff.
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he was just starting to get,
you know, some of this stuff back
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when they just, like,
cut if off.
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"that's it.
that's all you get".
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then you come home
from work
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and he's building
this little miniature building,
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and looks like hell,
just made from old plywood
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and nasty stuff and pieces of
stuff you find around the yard.
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but it's developed
into a world, his own world.
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this is me.
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after the attack,
of course.
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always smoking.
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um, i used to carry
one revolver.
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and then general patton
gave me his other revolver.
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so now i have two.
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because the general just wants
to hang out, have a drink.
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what's this
all about, man
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when the teenagers
kicked my head to pieces,
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they wiped, i mean,
everything.
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all memory of everything.
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my memories that i do get,
they come back in stills,
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just a single shot,
but no context.
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all i have is a photo to remind
me that, ok, i was married, wow.
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to a good-looking girl, too.
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she was a russian polish.
anastasia.
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i started to ask questions
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because i didn't know
who i was.
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i had to ask other people.
what was i like
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was i bad guy
was i mean was i
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and they would tell me,
"no, you weren't mean.
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you were just drunk".
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you know, you were
an all right guy.
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"did i hurt anyone "
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"no, you just hurt
yourself".
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then i started finding
my drunk journals
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and started reading those
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because i wanted
to find out who i was.
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for real.
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'cause the only one
that would know
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is the guy who was writing
them, who was me.
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maybe not in the right
frame of mind,
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but it was me.
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it's all messed up like this
because i was hammered.
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"i'm gonna die tonight".
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and, oh, january 19, 1993.
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"last entry".
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and i was like, my god.
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it was like reading
something
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that stephen king wrote
or something.
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it was bad.
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i never want to see
this guy again.
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i figured, all right, well, what's
the first thing i got to work on
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that's my imagination.
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i came flying over in my
p-40 warhawk. on fire.
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and i saw a field
down below.
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and i crash landed it.
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and when i walked
into town,
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there was nobody there.
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and then one by one,
beautiful barbie-looking women
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started emerging.
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i was the only man in town
with 27 barbies.
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the ss, i found out later,
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went through there
and killed men.
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it was like a desolate town.
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and they all hid
when the ss were there.
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so they came out
and they thanked me.
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i was thinking, "boy, what
a lucky guy i am".
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so they gave me my
own place, my own building,
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which i turned into a bar.
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i used to work there
five days a week.
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you know, 10 hours a day.
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but now i just work
once a week,
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and it's 4 or 5 hours
a week,
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just so i can get used to
doing things again.
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mark's job is-- he kind of does
anything i ask him, really.
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doesn't come in too much
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because it's
too much for him
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if he's around a lot of people
and a lot of stress.
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he came to me,
he was in recovery.
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didn't last long.
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and he was awful.
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he drank. sometimes he
came to work,
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sometimes, like he said,
he would have a shot
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just to steady himself
for the day
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and just call in
and say, i'm not coming.
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after he got out
of the hospital,
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it was like somebody
turned a switch.
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he had no interest
in alcohol at all. at all.
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after the attack, when i started
coming around back here,
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i looked at the bottles and
i don't get that same feeling.
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nothing happens when
i look at the bottle.
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it's like liquor, booze,
that's it.
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i mean, if i don't remember
what it's like to be drunk
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or what it tastes like,
then i don't miss it.
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i just figured i'd be like sam
malone, you know, from "cheers".
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you know, he's
a recovering alcoholic
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and he is a bartender.
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i made my alter ego figure
drink only coffee
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because that's what
i do in real life,
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drink tons of coffee.
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does anybody ever try and
offer your alter ego a beer
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yeah. yeah.
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and what happens
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i just tell them
i don't drink.
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the only entertainment i could
think of was catfighting.
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so i paid the girls
to catfight.
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staged catfights for
entertainment purposes only.
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i named my club,
besides hogancamp's,
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i added a little bit more.
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hogancamp's
ruined stocking.
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catfight club.
the only one in belgium.
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this place. just looking
at it soothes me.
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i used to be able to draw
anything that came to my mind,
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but now, since
the attack, i can't
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because my hand
shakes too much.
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this one was evidence.
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still has
the evidence sticker.
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his drawings were there
to show to the jury
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what this individual
was capable of doing.
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brain damage you can't see
with your own eyes,
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but you can see
the manifestations
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from what people have
been able to do before
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to what they can do now.
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mom, i'm home.
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i need supplies.
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when mark first came in
after the attack,
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he was very upset.
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his hand wasn't steady
enough to do anything.
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and he was afraid that he
wasn't gonna be able to continue,
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and that just frustrated
the heck out of him.
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so we encouraged him.
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and janet, when he
didn't have any money,
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she'd give him a kit
or something to work with.
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he kept bringing things
in to show us.
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and you could see
the excitement in him,
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like, "yeah, yeah, it's there.
i hope to get better at it.
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i'm in
the hobby shop.
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i just love
the hobby shop.
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you get too--
you get too excited.
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everything's real.
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the slide on the .45.
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the hammer.
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the clip even comes out.
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so that adds to my,
you know, veracity
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of getting into it,
into the story,
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because i know
everything works.
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i almost know what everything--
what every satchel's carrying.
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you know, that's grenades.
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this is the briefcase
i carry around.
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in here we have money,
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the detonator,
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and then certificate
of ownership
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that i made up myself for my
doll figure to carry around
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because this proves
i own the bar, then.
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this is my mom,
my mother.
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this is from the movie
"goldfinger," 007.
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pussy galore
was her name.
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anyway, yeah, it looks
just like my mom.
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when my mother
came to visit,
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i said, "mom, mom, look,
there's you. you're tending bar".
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then she-- "yeah, ok".
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didn't even look. just
walked right past it.
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so it's like-- but it's
my mom, you know.
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so i gotta have
my mom in here,
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in my town.
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this is how i work
on patience.
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this is how i work
on dexterity.
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training my right hand
to be a little bit calmer,
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not shake so much.
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i'm amazed how i can talk
about this
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and actually do it
at the same time.
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that's a first.
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i started needing vehicles
for my town.
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and the tires,
they looked so brand new.
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they got the little factory
seam around every one.
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it looks like it just
rolled out a show room.
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i don't want that.
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so i start dragging stuff.
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the jeep has
180 miles on it.
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which is 1,080 miles
in 1/6 scale.
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when i'm even walking,
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i have to constantly
look at my feet.
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i can't look around like
other people do and just walk
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because otherwise i'll wind up
in the middle of the road
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or something like that.
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so i've always got to look
at what's ahead.
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i'm walking along.
i'm walking on that white line.
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i always have to keep on
looking down,
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make sure i'm
walking on that.
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and i still lose my balance
and stuff when i'm doing that,
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but i'm getting better
at it.
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americans and germans
were wandering into the town
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either because
they were lost
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or they just came
across the town.
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there was one rule
in my town.
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that-- friends.
be friendly with each other.
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behave.
so they did. they were.
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the americans, the british,
the germans,
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they all drink together, they
all smoke cigarettes together.
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everybody be friends
with each other.
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the germans,
when they were there,
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i told them they have to
get along with the americans.
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and as long as i gave them
booze and a couple of catfights,
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staged catfights, between
the girls, they were happy.
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so the americans and germans
sat together, drinking together.
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everybody got along.
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nobody was against
anybody else.
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it didn't matter
what clothing they wore.
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when i get that new character
and i open up that box,
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the first thing i look at
is their face.
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and then i think, who does
that remind me of that i know,
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that i want to portray with
an alter ego in my town
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and then that's
their alter ego.
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she looks like pam.
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a girl i know, pam.
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that's married.
down at the anchorage.
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so i think i'm gonna
make her pam.
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pam.
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then sometimes i just do
a quick thing like this.
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like, oh-ho ho.
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like they're hugging me.
like they bought me and stuff.
249
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,643
i know what it's like
to build things in miniature
250
00:19:20,711 --> 00:19:26,615
and want to have, like,
a society outside of society,
251
00:19:26,683 --> 00:19:29,351
a smaller society.
252
00:19:29,419 --> 00:19:32,088
when mark creates
a character for you,
253
00:19:32,155 --> 00:19:34,523
that's really a way
mark honors you.
254
00:19:34,591 --> 00:19:35,891
and i felt
very honored
255
00:19:35,959 --> 00:19:38,694
when mark made me
part of his town.
256
00:19:38,762 --> 00:19:42,398
my doll, i believe
he's a british commando.
257
00:19:42,466 --> 00:19:45,301
i think it's
a handsome doll, myself.
258
00:19:45,368 --> 00:19:48,037
there's always something
going on at marwencol.
259
00:19:48,105 --> 00:19:52,174
there's always danger. there's
always the ss trying to attack.
260
00:19:52,242 --> 00:19:54,276
i've taken place
in many battles,
261
00:19:54,344 --> 00:19:58,414
and we usually
come out on top.
262
00:20:02,753 --> 00:20:06,489
everybody
at one time or another
263
00:20:06,556 --> 00:20:09,291
wishes they had a double
that could do things
264
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,461
that they could never do.
265
00:20:12,529 --> 00:20:15,197
so what i do is
with alter egos,
266
00:20:15,265 --> 00:20:18,734
i tell my friends,
you can be anybody you want,
267
00:20:18,802 --> 00:20:22,905
you can do anything
you want in my town.
268
00:20:22,973 --> 00:20:25,641
have as many girls
as you want.
269
00:20:25,709 --> 00:20:28,077
i only-- i have 27 barbies,
270
00:20:28,145 --> 00:20:31,080
so we have to keep enough
for the other dudes.
271
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:36,385
mediterranean lisa said,
272
00:20:36,453 --> 00:20:41,757
i want to have a tall, dark,
and handsome boyfriend.
273
00:20:41,825 --> 00:20:43,926
i said, ok.
274
00:20:43,994 --> 00:20:47,663
so i put her with yazi
the navajo indian.
275
00:20:47,731 --> 00:20:51,033
and she said, he's gorgeous.
he's perfect.
276
00:20:51,101 --> 00:20:54,503
but she didn't know
i had a steve mcqueen doll.
277
00:20:54,571 --> 00:20:56,008
when she found that out,
278
00:20:56,009 --> 00:20:59,009
she wanted to drop
the navajo like a hot cake.
279
00:20:59,075 --> 00:21:02,978
and now steve mcqueen's
her boyfriend.
280
00:21:10,587 --> 00:21:14,557
i am mediterranean lisa,
and this is my doll.
281
00:21:14,624 --> 00:21:16,358
i am now dating
steve mcqueen.
282
00:21:16,426 --> 00:21:18,360
i'm very happy about that.
283
00:21:39,249 --> 00:21:41,116
a couple buddies of mine
284
00:21:41,184 --> 00:21:46,789
were looking at
my town one day
285
00:21:46,857 --> 00:21:51,527
and it was all, you know,
the soldiers out there and stuff.
286
00:21:51,595 --> 00:21:54,029
and i had a barbie.
287
00:21:54,097 --> 00:21:58,367
and one of them said,
"hey, look, man, it's a barbie".
288
00:21:58,435 --> 00:22:02,371
and i says, "yeah, what do
you want it to be, gay town,
289
00:22:02,439 --> 00:22:03,806
with all dudes in it "
290
00:22:03,874 --> 00:22:06,742
he's like, "no".
291
00:22:06,810 --> 00:22:10,012
i said, "man, all the dudes
got to have some women".
292
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,117
you know what i mean. i...
i love the thought of women.
293
00:22:15,185 --> 00:22:18,187
you know, so i want women
in my town.
294
00:22:37,974 --> 00:22:42,278
this is the last
girlfriend that i had.
295
00:22:42,345 --> 00:22:45,447
9 years ago.
296
00:22:45,515 --> 00:22:51,854
it's the last time i ever felt
a woman, hugged a woman.
297
00:22:51,922 --> 00:22:53,522
kissed a woman.
298
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:56,926
the first 4 years
of that 9 years
299
00:22:56,993 --> 00:23:01,163
was because i was a drunk and
i didn't care to look for women.
300
00:23:01,231 --> 00:23:03,365
i'd just rather drink.
301
00:23:06,803 --> 00:23:11,840
and the last five years,
i've been me being busy,
302
00:23:11,908 --> 00:23:17,046
trying to get back
my senses,
303
00:23:17,113 --> 00:23:21,283
fine motor skills.
304
00:23:23,386 --> 00:23:26,922
i have to learn that
all over again, sex.
305
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:28,424
because i don't know--
306
00:23:28,491 --> 00:23:31,226
i don't remember
what it was like.
307
00:23:31,294 --> 00:23:35,664
that's what i used to do
to my wife
308
00:23:35,732 --> 00:23:37,666
when i would come off
the ship.
309
00:23:37,734 --> 00:23:40,569
come home
and attack her.
310
00:23:40,637 --> 00:23:43,906
she'd be waiting.
311
00:23:43,974 --> 00:23:50,145
i wish i had somebody to
come over, a girl preferably,
312
00:23:50,213 --> 00:23:53,916
to manipulate
the female dolls.
313
00:23:53,984 --> 00:23:55,417
that'd be neat--
314
00:23:55,485 --> 00:23:59,922
playing dolls
with a girlfriend.
315
00:24:28,218 --> 00:24:34,823
my bedroom window was right
across the street from a big house
316
00:24:34,891 --> 00:24:38,460
with a white picket fence
317
00:24:38,528 --> 00:24:43,032
and a big tall blonde
lived over there.
318
00:24:44,434 --> 00:24:47,669
we would-- you know, if i was
outside and she was outside,
319
00:24:47,737 --> 00:24:50,939
we'd, you know, meet
at the picket fence.
320
00:24:51,007 --> 00:24:54,076
and the other neighbor,
betty, would come over.
321
00:24:54,144 --> 00:24:55,344
and then the three of us
322
00:24:55,412 --> 00:24:56,812
would be at
the white picket fence.
323
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,882
so i dubbed it
the gossip fence.
324
00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:03,552
it was great.
325
00:25:03,620 --> 00:25:06,088
she was just so beautiful.
326
00:25:06,156 --> 00:25:07,956
hi, i'm colleen,
327
00:25:08,024 --> 00:25:10,159
and this is my home.
328
00:25:10,226 --> 00:25:13,762
and this is where
mark and i used to talk
329
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:18,500
and gossip
by my fence.
330
00:25:18,568 --> 00:25:21,170
i like blondes
to begin with, so.
331
00:25:21,237 --> 00:25:24,039
'cause of my ex-wife.
332
00:25:24,107 --> 00:25:26,809
she's blonde.
333
00:25:26,876 --> 00:25:30,145
you know, so i experienced
the feeling of a crush.
334
00:25:30,213 --> 00:25:34,216
what it is to want
someone.
335
00:25:34,284 --> 00:25:36,618
i have 3 children.
i'm married.
336
00:25:36,686 --> 00:25:39,555
i didn't know about
that. can't have her.
337
00:25:39,622 --> 00:25:41,423
you know, i just...
338
00:25:41,491 --> 00:25:44,593
oh, innocent me.
339
00:25:44,661 --> 00:25:46,695
i didn't understand it.
340
00:25:46,763 --> 00:25:50,165
i mean, i didn't want
to steal her away.
341
00:25:50,233 --> 00:25:52,668
i just wanted
to let her know
342
00:25:52,735 --> 00:25:57,339
that she was on
some scrumptious.
343
00:25:57,407 --> 00:26:01,243
mark had shared with me,
like, certain pictures
344
00:26:01,311 --> 00:26:04,246
that he had been taking,
photographs,
345
00:26:04,314 --> 00:26:07,549
and telling me certain
storylines that he had had.
346
00:26:07,617 --> 00:26:10,953
and i just kept telling him
to go with it.
347
00:26:12,288 --> 00:26:15,958
my husband was just like,
you know, you got to be aware.
348
00:26:16,025 --> 00:26:19,294
just be aware.
349
00:26:19,362 --> 00:26:20,696
she matches.
350
00:26:20,763 --> 00:26:22,865
i mean, her shirt
matches her little sparkles.
351
00:26:22,932 --> 00:26:25,200
and that's what mark
was probably thinking, too.
352
00:26:25,268 --> 00:26:28,570
i was like, yep, that's me.
a barbie doll.
353
00:26:28,638 --> 00:26:30,806
this is the colleen doll.
354
00:26:30,874 --> 00:26:33,442
i did her hair last night.
355
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:39,214
um, when i wash it
and all that crap
356
00:26:39,282 --> 00:26:41,016
i get all the chemicals out.
357
00:26:41,084 --> 00:26:45,420
i put more chemicals in
by spraying it
358
00:26:45,488 --> 00:26:47,189
and combing it and stuff.
359
00:26:47,257 --> 00:26:52,294
but this is how it dries--
360
00:26:52,362 --> 00:26:54,163
close to her head,
361
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:58,200
not sticking out way out here
like it was yesterday.
362
00:26:58,268 --> 00:27:04,139
and colleen has this
nice little one piece of hair
363
00:27:04,207 --> 00:27:05,841
that always, you know--
364
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:08,944
a strand that always
hangs down and stuff.
365
00:27:10,446 --> 00:27:13,282
hey. she looks hot.
366
00:27:13,349 --> 00:27:20,255
anyway, i'm putting manolo
blahnik slingbacks on colleen
367
00:27:20,323 --> 00:27:23,192
'cause she deserves that.
368
00:27:24,561 --> 00:27:26,628
so we were just talking
369
00:27:26,696 --> 00:27:28,730
and he goes, "what would
you name a store "
370
00:27:28,798 --> 00:27:31,800
there would used to be a store,
and i used to love this store,
371
00:27:31,868 --> 00:27:33,635
but it actually went
out of business.
372
00:27:33,703 --> 00:27:36,438
and it was pocket
full of posies.
373
00:27:36,506 --> 00:27:37,973
so i built it.
374
00:27:38,041 --> 00:27:40,175
so i preserved colleen,
375
00:27:40,243 --> 00:27:42,811
and i can have her
in my town.
376
00:27:53,289 --> 00:27:56,692
i'm making believe
377
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,761
that you're in my arms
378
00:27:59,829 --> 00:28:05,167
though i know
you're so far away
379
00:28:05,235 --> 00:28:11,106
making believe
i'm talking to you
380
00:28:11,174 --> 00:28:16,078
wish you could hear
what i say
381
00:28:16,145 --> 00:28:22,084
and here in the gloom
of my lonely room
382
00:28:22,151 --> 00:28:27,856
we're dancing
like we used to do
383
00:28:27,924 --> 00:28:34,630
making believe is just
another way of dreaming
384
00:28:34,697 --> 00:28:38,600
so till my dreams
come true
385
00:28:38,668 --> 00:28:42,738
i'll whisper good night
386
00:28:42,805 --> 00:28:45,807
turn out the light
and kiss my pillow
387
00:28:45,875 --> 00:28:51,213
making believe it's you
388
00:28:52,982 --> 00:28:55,884
ok.
389
00:28:59,055 --> 00:29:01,823
mark had gotten into
a conversation with me
390
00:29:01,891 --> 00:29:04,459
and he was showing me
some certain pictures.
391
00:29:04,527 --> 00:29:06,595
i says, look, look,
392
00:29:06,663 --> 00:29:08,196
i even put your name
on the car door,
393
00:29:08,264 --> 00:29:10,232
my name on that
car door.
394
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,001
you're here, i'm here.
395
00:29:13,069 --> 00:29:15,039
and he was like, well,
396
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,840
they're getting married
on such and such day.
397
00:29:17,907 --> 00:29:23,111
i said, what, you know,
we're engaged.
398
00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:24,579
as he was telling me,
399
00:29:24,647 --> 00:29:29,017
it was like he was telling me
about it like it was somebody else,
400
00:29:29,085 --> 00:29:30,585
like it was two other people.
401
00:29:30,653 --> 00:29:33,722
and then when he told me
it was us,
402
00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:36,625
and i was just like... what
403
00:29:36,693 --> 00:29:41,296
hello. you're talking to a
real person, and there's dolls.
404
00:29:41,364 --> 00:29:44,933
you have to know
when you have to stop.
405
00:29:48,938 --> 00:29:53,275
so i go outside
sulking and stuff.
406
00:29:53,509 --> 00:29:58,814
and there's deja thorus,
the belgian witch of marwencol.
407
00:29:59,015 --> 00:30:02,451
and i explained to her
what went on with colleen.
408
00:30:02,685 --> 00:30:05,688
and just then,
here comes colleen
409
00:30:05,723 --> 00:30:09,065
waving, "how you doing,
mark " and everything.
410
00:30:09,066 --> 00:30:16,366
i just figured she's gonna
point her gloved finger at colleen
411
00:30:16,432 --> 00:30:19,234
and poof her
out of her shoes,
412
00:30:19,302 --> 00:30:21,136
get rid of her forever
out of marwencol.
413
00:30:21,204 --> 00:30:24,106
just get rid of her
for me.
414
00:30:26,843 --> 00:30:28,944
so i didn't complain.
415
00:30:29,011 --> 00:30:31,413
so who's that
416
00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:36,151
anna. that's anna,
my favorite female doll.
417
00:30:36,219 --> 00:30:38,887
i wish that she would
come alive.
418
00:30:38,955 --> 00:30:42,691
i won a photo contest
419
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,727
and with that money,
i bought anna.
420
00:30:45,795 --> 00:30:47,028
sorry.
421
00:30:47,096 --> 00:30:50,866
when i first got the doll,
i fell in love with her face.
422
00:30:50,933 --> 00:30:53,435
so much that i had to
paint makeup on her.
423
00:30:55,471 --> 00:30:59,040
and being that
i'm alone in life,
424
00:30:59,108 --> 00:31:03,445
i figure at least
my alter ego
425
00:31:03,513 --> 00:31:06,181
can have a girlfriend.
426
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,424
every night she's next
to my bed, i stare at her
427
00:31:15,491 --> 00:31:18,760
and i wish and i wish
and i wish
428
00:31:18,828 --> 00:31:23,398
that i could find a girl
that looks just like her.
429
00:31:37,246 --> 00:31:38,847
when i first saw mark,
430
00:31:38,915 --> 00:31:41,950
probably a year before
i actually talked to him,
431
00:31:42,018 --> 00:31:44,286
he's in this full
world war ll regalia
432
00:31:44,353 --> 00:31:47,155
and it looked like he had a remote
controlled truck or something,
433
00:31:47,223 --> 00:31:49,991
like one of these
rc aficionados.
434
00:31:50,059 --> 00:31:51,693
my window actually
looks out the curve,
435
00:31:51,761 --> 00:31:53,795
like right past us
going toward his house.
436
00:31:53,863 --> 00:31:56,798
and so, i noticed every day
around 2:00 or 3:00
437
00:31:56,866 --> 00:31:58,433
he would start
coming home.
438
00:31:58,501 --> 00:32:00,001
so i set my long lens
439
00:32:00,069 --> 00:32:02,671
and tried to zoom in to
figure out what was going on,
440
00:32:02,738 --> 00:32:04,039
if this was
a remote control
441
00:32:04,106 --> 00:32:06,041
or is this grown man
actually pulling a car
442
00:32:06,108 --> 00:32:07,843
or a truck
or something.
443
00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:10,312
and then i decided that i was
going to try to figure out a way
444
00:32:10,379 --> 00:32:11,613
to stop and talk to him.
445
00:32:11,681 --> 00:32:14,783
i saw him again when he was
walking down the street.
446
00:32:14,851 --> 00:32:19,955
i drive way up ahead, i park
maybe 75, 80 yards up ahead,
447
00:32:20,022 --> 00:32:21,523
and get out.
448
00:32:21,591 --> 00:32:24,059
i'm sitting there
and i can sense him
449
00:32:24,126 --> 00:32:26,528
getting a little
closer and closer.
450
00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:28,597
i go, "hey!" you know,
"how's it going "
451
00:32:28,664 --> 00:32:30,765
he's like, "pretty good.
pretty good".
452
00:32:30,833 --> 00:32:33,335
and he stops and proceeded
to introduce me
453
00:32:33,402 --> 00:32:34,669
to the people
in the jeep.
454
00:32:34,737 --> 00:32:36,471
there were 2 figures
in the jeep.
455
00:32:36,539 --> 00:32:38,373
he says, this is
actually so and so,
456
00:32:38,441 --> 00:32:40,141
who is someone
i work with.
457
00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:43,578
and this other woman, she's
actually an old neighbor of mine.
458
00:32:43,646 --> 00:32:45,547
i was like, has anybody
else seen this stuff
459
00:32:45,615 --> 00:32:46,815
or talked to you,
you know
460
00:32:46,883 --> 00:32:48,850
he goes, you're the first
person to ever really stop
461
00:32:48,918 --> 00:32:51,253
and say, that's interesting.
what are you doing
462
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,155
or where are you going
or what's that all about
463
00:32:56,592 --> 00:33:00,896
the next day, this envelope
stuffed with photos.
464
00:33:00,963 --> 00:33:04,833
and i opened them up,
and i was just astonished
465
00:33:04,901 --> 00:33:08,470
by the realism
and the feeling.
466
00:33:10,072 --> 00:33:12,574
when i went to his house
after i saw the photos,
467
00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,109
i said, now, do you have
anymore of these
468
00:33:14,176 --> 00:33:16,811
he goes, oh, i've got
thousands of them.
469
00:33:16,879 --> 00:33:18,113
yeah, sure.
470
00:33:20,550 --> 00:33:21,950
'cause i'm
a photographer, i was,
471
00:33:22,018 --> 00:33:24,920
how do you manage all your
assets and your negatives
472
00:33:24,987 --> 00:33:27,489
he said, i don't even
keep the negatives.
473
00:33:27,557 --> 00:33:30,358
the negatives,
i throw them away.
474
00:33:31,727 --> 00:33:33,595
i asked him about metering,
things like that.
475
00:33:33,663 --> 00:33:36,498
he said, you know, well,
the light meter's actually broken.
476
00:33:36,566 --> 00:33:39,234
so basically what i do,
is i set up these shots
477
00:33:39,302 --> 00:33:43,638
and shoot them, then send
them off to a mail order lab,
478
00:33:43,706 --> 00:33:45,407
which is where he got
all his processing done.
479
00:33:45,474 --> 00:33:48,209
and wait a couple weeks,
he'd come back,
480
00:33:48,277 --> 00:33:51,112
they'd be overexposed
2 or 3 stops or under,
481
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:53,715
and he's just shoot
the entire thing over again.
482
00:33:53,783 --> 00:33:56,818
it's funny. i don't think he
ever even thought of himself
483
00:33:56,886 --> 00:33:58,186
as being a photographer.
484
00:33:58,254 --> 00:34:01,890
he was just using a camera
as a tool to communicate.
485
00:34:01,958 --> 00:34:04,159
definitely didn't identify
himself as an artist.
486
00:34:04,226 --> 00:34:06,461
it was all such
a genuine thing.
487
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:11,132
and i just-- i felt like
it was too amazing
488
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,568
to not share
with other people.
489
00:34:19,809 --> 00:34:22,711
the story, meanwhile,
was just going on in my head,
490
00:34:22,778 --> 00:34:29,718
like, ok, the ss heard
about my town, my bar.
491
00:34:31,687 --> 00:34:36,291
they're just driving around
aimlessly looking for marwencol.
492
00:34:36,359 --> 00:34:38,393
looking for the town
they heard of,
493
00:34:38,461 --> 00:34:40,428
the bar they heard of,
the women they heard of.
494
00:34:40,496 --> 00:34:42,964
that the marwencol women
were beautiful.
495
00:34:43,032 --> 00:34:45,433
they're the most beautiful
girls in belgium.
496
00:34:45,501 --> 00:34:51,740
so, eventually,
the ss find marwencol.
497
00:34:52,808 --> 00:34:55,310
and there's nobody around.
498
00:34:55,378 --> 00:34:59,147
we all decided to go
to the bar,
499
00:34:59,215 --> 00:35:03,485
hogancamp's catfight club,
2 miles away
500
00:35:03,552 --> 00:35:05,487
and hide in there.
501
00:35:05,554 --> 00:35:10,025
and the only one left
in town was ruth.
502
00:35:10,092 --> 00:35:12,494
she had decided
to stay behind,
503
00:35:12,561 --> 00:35:14,863
watch over the church.
504
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:17,732
and the ss came in.
505
00:35:18,734 --> 00:35:22,137
and they interrogated
ruthie.
506
00:35:22,204 --> 00:35:24,439
and these guys wanted
to know where the bar was.
507
00:35:24,507 --> 00:35:27,976
"where's the bar
i want a drink".
508
00:35:28,044 --> 00:35:34,082
'cause i remember that's the way
i was when i was an alcoholic.
509
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:36,051
"gah! i want a drink!"
510
00:35:36,118 --> 00:35:41,623
you know. i remember that.
511
00:35:41,691 --> 00:35:44,826
and so, she still
wouldn't tell
512
00:35:44,894 --> 00:35:47,896
the ss where my bar was,
where i'd moved the bar.
513
00:35:47,963 --> 00:35:51,633
so they killed her.
514
00:35:51,701 --> 00:35:54,335
i heard that
i'm killed off.
515
00:35:54,403 --> 00:35:55,303
yes.
516
00:35:55,371 --> 00:35:56,438
i don't remember you
ever telling me.
517
00:35:56,505 --> 00:35:59,074
you were in the church
518
00:35:59,141 --> 00:36:03,111
when the ss came
and found marwencol.
519
00:36:03,179 --> 00:36:07,382
they wanted to drink. they
wanted to party. you know.
520
00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:09,117
there was nobody there
but you.
521
00:36:09,185 --> 00:36:12,987
you wouldn't tell them
where the bar was,
522
00:36:13,055 --> 00:36:16,291
so they killed you.
523
00:36:17,793 --> 00:36:20,161
the bad guy killed you.
524
00:36:22,398 --> 00:36:25,800
and then they started
walking out of the church.
525
00:36:25,868 --> 00:36:31,873
and the professor, who stayed
behind to watch over ruthie,
526
00:36:31,941 --> 00:36:36,578
he was picking off the ss.
he got three of them.
527
00:36:36,645 --> 00:36:40,582
so the ss scared back
into the church.
528
00:36:40,649 --> 00:36:43,985
they were gonna stay there
until they found my bar.
529
00:36:44,053 --> 00:36:45,589
and the professor was just--
530
00:36:45,590 --> 00:36:47,490
every time one of them
would poke their head out,
531
00:36:47,556 --> 00:36:50,558
he was picking them off.
532
00:36:50,626 --> 00:36:52,694
and that was good.
533
00:36:55,197 --> 00:36:59,167
if mark is angry, he definitely
takes it out on his town,
534
00:36:59,235 --> 00:37:01,169
which i guess is a good outlet,
you know.
535
00:37:01,237 --> 00:37:02,604
instead of taking
out in real life,
536
00:37:02,671 --> 00:37:04,372
he takes it out
on his town.
537
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,474
and he gets a lot
of anger out that way.
538
00:37:06,542 --> 00:37:09,477
and the ss takes the brunt
of a lot of it.
539
00:37:16,352 --> 00:37:19,988
i think a lot of it
stems from his attack, too.
540
00:37:20,055 --> 00:37:22,991
he's got a lot of
anger to let go,
541
00:37:23,058 --> 00:37:25,393
especially for groups,
people who hate.
542
00:37:25,461 --> 00:37:28,630
and it definitely
shows in his town.
543
00:37:33,936 --> 00:37:36,371
anything pisses him
off in life,
544
00:37:36,438 --> 00:37:39,541
that's an outlet for
mark to take it out
545
00:37:39,608 --> 00:37:42,143
and someone in that
town's gonna get it.
546
00:37:49,718 --> 00:37:53,188
i created my own therapies.
547
00:37:53,255 --> 00:37:55,523
and this was one of them.
548
00:37:55,591 --> 00:37:58,893
wow.
549
00:37:58,961 --> 00:38:02,664
i could act out my revenge
and anger and rage
550
00:38:02,731 --> 00:38:04,199
in photographs.
551
00:38:04,266 --> 00:38:07,101
it's nice to be
able to--
552
00:38:07,169 --> 00:38:09,838
you know,
somebody hurts you,
553
00:38:09,905 --> 00:38:13,007
you can, without
any violence,
554
00:38:13,075 --> 00:38:14,943
you know, get back
at them. you know.
555
00:38:15,010 --> 00:38:16,144
correct. right.
556
00:38:16,212 --> 00:38:18,580
whether it be on paper
or in film.
557
00:38:18,647 --> 00:38:20,515
yep. yep.
558
00:38:20,583 --> 00:38:24,552
i still really miss
somebody to talk to
559
00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:26,988
about still
the way i feel.
560
00:38:27,056 --> 00:38:29,190
so you're not
in therapy now
561
00:38:29,258 --> 00:38:31,392
oh, no. no.
562
00:38:49,678 --> 00:38:55,083
this guy is tod, the editor
for "esopus" magazine.
563
00:38:55,150 --> 00:38:58,720
good friend of mine
named david naugle,
564
00:38:58,787 --> 00:39:01,656
he was at a party and said--
had his mac with him,
565
00:39:01,724 --> 00:39:04,425
and he said, i've got to
show you something.
566
00:39:04,493 --> 00:39:06,761
and i thought
it was fantastic.
567
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:09,297
just like nothing
i'd ever seen before.
568
00:39:09,365 --> 00:39:12,300
and the story, although i didn't
know much of it at that point,
569
00:39:12,368 --> 00:39:14,269
was fascinating
to me, too.
570
00:39:14,336 --> 00:39:16,838
the magazine is--
the whole purpose of it is
571
00:39:16,906 --> 00:39:20,942
to present a space
that's completely uncommercial,
572
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:23,177
completely unmediated,
and completely unfiltered
573
00:39:23,245 --> 00:39:26,514
for artists to present
their work to,
574
00:39:26,582 --> 00:39:29,817
hopefully, a fairly broad
general public.
575
00:39:31,153 --> 00:39:33,688
to find somebody like mark
who's doing this amazing work
576
00:39:33,756 --> 00:39:35,990
that no one has seen ever,
577
00:39:36,058 --> 00:39:37,593
except maybe a few
people he worked with
578
00:39:37,594 --> 00:39:38,894
at the anchorage and david,
579
00:39:38,961 --> 00:39:42,997
was just like a gift
from the gods, you know.
580
00:39:43,065 --> 00:39:45,366
does it feel like
therapy at all to you,
581
00:39:45,434 --> 00:39:47,201
or is it all
just art
582
00:39:47,269 --> 00:39:48,937
it constantly keeps
my mind--
583
00:39:49,004 --> 00:39:52,407
it keeps my mind
constantly working.
584
00:39:52,474 --> 00:39:54,075
uh-huh.
585
00:39:54,143 --> 00:39:55,410
i mean, the minute i met him,
586
00:39:55,477 --> 00:39:56,711
i was like,
oh, he's like a nice guy.
587
00:39:56,779 --> 00:39:58,713
he's just a wonderful
nice guy.
588
00:39:58,781 --> 00:40:01,584
he's so much further along
than most of us would be
589
00:40:01,585 --> 00:40:02,885
in that situation.
590
00:40:02,952 --> 00:40:08,556
and really because of what
he'd decided to do with his life.
591
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:15,229
this idea of someone using art to
sort of access something they lost
592
00:40:15,297 --> 00:40:18,933
or to sort of regain
something they lost
593
00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:22,637
was just so beautiful
and so moving to me.
594
00:40:22,705 --> 00:40:24,238
and then the work
was so great.
595
00:40:24,306 --> 00:40:27,742
it would be a great story if
his work were, you know, nice,
596
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:29,277
but his work is strong.
597
00:40:29,345 --> 00:40:30,411
it's strong stuff.
598
00:40:30,479 --> 00:40:33,047
so that just made it
such a no-brainer.
599
00:40:33,115 --> 00:40:37,251
of course we're
gonna do this.
600
00:40:37,319 --> 00:40:41,022
meanwhile, back
in marwencol...
601
00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:48,363
the town germans and i
came up with a plan
602
00:40:48,430 --> 00:40:53,067
that i would pretend to be
the town germans' prisoner.
603
00:40:53,135 --> 00:40:55,970
they would bring me
to the church.
604
00:40:56,038 --> 00:40:59,307
and that way we could
infiltrate the ss,
605
00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:03,211
and then just get
our town back.
606
00:41:03,278 --> 00:41:04,579
yeah, but that
didn't happen
607
00:41:04,646 --> 00:41:06,180
because the ss took me,
608
00:41:06,248 --> 00:41:09,751
sent the town germans
out of the church.
609
00:41:09,818 --> 00:41:13,087
they tied me up,
the ss tied me up.
610
00:41:13,155 --> 00:41:16,724
then started interrogating me.
where's my bar
611
00:41:16,792 --> 00:41:19,260
where did i move the bar
we want to drink!
612
00:41:19,328 --> 00:41:21,195
that's what they kept on,
613
00:41:21,263 --> 00:41:23,698
with anger
and stuff like that.
614
00:41:23,766 --> 00:41:26,934
then started cutting me.
615
00:41:27,002 --> 00:41:30,138
and on my alter ego,
616
00:41:30,205 --> 00:41:36,210
i put a scar down
the right side of my face,
617
00:41:36,278 --> 00:41:39,947
because this is the side
618
00:41:40,015 --> 00:41:43,751
that was damaged
in real life on me.
619
00:42:09,778 --> 00:42:12,613
there's one major difference
i found immediately
620
00:42:12,681 --> 00:42:15,950
between mark's work and a lot
of other contemporary art
621
00:42:16,018 --> 00:42:18,286
that i look at and see
and life, for that matter.
622
00:42:18,353 --> 00:42:20,855
that is, particularly
when you're using dolls
623
00:42:20,923 --> 00:42:24,425
or some kind of-- you're
re-photographing something,
624
00:42:24,493 --> 00:42:27,428
there's generally a very strong
sense of irony in the work.
625
00:42:27,496 --> 00:42:29,030
there's a distance.
626
00:42:29,098 --> 00:42:30,932
and it's kind of
a little wink-winky.
627
00:42:30,999 --> 00:42:33,801
like, i'm photographing dolls.
isn't that, you know,
628
00:42:33,869 --> 00:42:37,271
funny or subversive
or clever or whatever.
629
00:42:37,339 --> 00:42:38,242
and i just--
630
00:42:38,243 --> 00:42:41,343
the thing that struck me
immediately about mark's work
631
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:44,345
is that there's no irony in it
as far as i can tell.
632
00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:46,647
i mean, he's a very
clever guy, very smart,
633
00:42:46,715 --> 00:42:48,149
but he's in the work.
634
00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:52,954
he's not using the work
as a tool to do something else.
635
00:42:53,021 --> 00:42:55,723
the work is him.
636
00:42:55,791 --> 00:42:57,692
it's a very authentic
feeling to me,
637
00:42:57,759 --> 00:42:59,327
which is a wonderful thing.
638
00:42:59,394 --> 00:43:01,462
you don't see it that often.
639
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:14,842
so then,
back at my bar,
640
00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:18,779
all the dolls
in my bar heard
641
00:43:18,847 --> 00:43:23,417
that the ss had me tied up and
they were cutting me to ribbons
642
00:43:23,485 --> 00:43:25,786
and beating me up.
643
00:43:25,854 --> 00:43:31,692
so anna didn't want to wait
around for another brilliant plan
644
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,362
that the townspeople
had come up with.
645
00:43:34,429 --> 00:43:37,398
so she took chris
and jacqueline
646
00:43:37,466 --> 00:43:41,736
and traded their uniforms
for barbie clothes.
647
00:43:43,939 --> 00:43:48,242
they went into town with
their hands behind their back.
648
00:43:48,310 --> 00:43:51,779
each hand
was carrying a pistol.
649
00:43:51,847 --> 00:43:55,683
and they waltzed into town.
650
00:44:00,355 --> 00:44:05,092
anna grabbed my revolver
from the town german,
651
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,930
and the 3 of the girls
went into the church.
652
00:44:08,997 --> 00:44:13,534
just like
precision surgeons,
653
00:44:13,602 --> 00:44:19,473
they eliminated the ss.
654
00:44:29,084 --> 00:44:33,754
they only wounded
the worst ss guy,
655
00:44:33,822 --> 00:44:35,890
because they had plans
for him.
656
00:44:35,958 --> 00:44:38,292
they wanted to save him
for later.
657
00:44:40,095 --> 00:44:43,331
and anna came over
and she cut me down
658
00:44:43,398 --> 00:44:45,266
and held me until
the jeep came
659
00:44:45,334 --> 00:44:48,736
to pick us up and bring us
back to my bar.
660
00:44:51,740 --> 00:44:58,779
her coming and saving me
from the ss
661
00:44:58,847 --> 00:45:03,417
proved to me that
she loved me.
662
00:45:03,485 --> 00:45:08,055
it proved to me that she felt
the same way i felt about her.
663
00:45:11,994 --> 00:45:15,997
so the call went out to
all the town's barbies.
664
00:45:16,064 --> 00:45:19,967
we did it before
and we can do it again
665
00:45:20,035 --> 00:45:22,003
and we will do it again
666
00:45:22,070 --> 00:45:24,705
we've got a heck
of a job to do
667
00:45:24,773 --> 00:45:26,941
but who better
to see it through
668
00:45:27,009 --> 00:45:30,678
we did it before
and we can do it again
669
00:45:30,746 --> 00:45:32,980
and we will do it again
670
00:45:33,048 --> 00:45:34,849
we're one for all
and we're all for one
671
00:45:34,916 --> 00:45:37,652
we'll get to lickin'
before we're done
672
00:45:40,489 --> 00:45:48,362
then svetlana takes a pistol
while the ss guy's still alive,
673
00:45:48,430 --> 00:45:54,135
good old-fashioned eye for an eye,
tooth for a tooth sort of thing.
674
00:45:59,041 --> 00:46:04,412
and still smiling,
the women of marwencol
675
00:46:04,479 --> 00:46:06,814
had gotten
their revenge.
676
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:22,196
this is no town that you can
push over and take over.
677
00:46:22,264 --> 00:46:27,468
this is what happens
to people who mess with us.
678
00:46:38,447 --> 00:46:41,215
so this is my wife, anna.
679
00:46:43,785 --> 00:46:46,354
when'd you guys
get married
680
00:46:46,421 --> 00:46:49,757
march 26.
681
00:46:49,825 --> 00:46:52,693
i still remember that, too.
682
00:46:52,761 --> 00:46:57,865
i don't remember when
i got married in real life.
683
00:46:57,933 --> 00:47:03,871
i mean, i remember that
it was 8-4, '84.
684
00:47:03,939 --> 00:47:08,175
but i don't recollect
that wedding
685
00:47:08,243 --> 00:47:15,483
as much as i recollect the one that
my alter ego got married to here.
686
00:47:20,622 --> 00:47:23,958
and it's weird when i say
"my wife," you know.
687
00:47:24,025 --> 00:47:27,995
it's like i remember saying that
back when i was married,
688
00:47:28,063 --> 00:47:35,102
but it just-- it doesn't hold any,
you know-- i don't know.
689
00:47:50,786 --> 00:47:54,855
anna's competition
is deja thorus,
690
00:47:54,923 --> 00:47:57,892
the belgian witch
of marwencol.
691
00:47:57,959 --> 00:48:01,262
she's competing
for my love.
692
00:48:01,329 --> 00:48:04,432
deja thorus was in love
with me.
693
00:48:04,499 --> 00:48:06,033
she's still in love
with me.
694
00:48:06,101 --> 00:48:09,737
she can't get me, even though
she brought me back in time
695
00:48:09,805 --> 00:48:12,773
so i wouldn't meet anna
and all that stuff.
696
00:48:12,841 --> 00:48:15,176
but i did meet anna.
anna and i kissed.
697
00:48:15,243 --> 00:48:18,179
and while we were connected
on our kiss,
698
00:48:18,246 --> 00:48:21,015
we remembered all the love
we once had for each other,
699
00:48:21,082 --> 00:48:25,920
so deja thorus' spell
was broken.
700
00:48:25,987 --> 00:48:28,556
this is deja thorus'
time machine.
701
00:48:28,623 --> 00:48:31,258
and i'm proud of it.
702
00:48:31,326 --> 00:48:36,864
it was an old vcr that ate
one of my best porno tapes.
703
00:48:36,932 --> 00:48:39,834
so i had to extract
the tape somehow.
704
00:48:39,901 --> 00:48:45,139
so i took an mp3 player stand
and made that the seat.
705
00:48:45,207 --> 00:48:50,177
and found an old cell phone
keypad on the roadway
706
00:48:50,245 --> 00:48:51,612
when i was walking.
707
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,281
so i glued that on this thing
that i put there.
708
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:59,053
and before i knew it,
there it was, the time machine.
709
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:17,738
tod showed my stuff
in the city.
710
00:49:17,806 --> 00:49:24,011
and he tells me that there's
a curator of an art gallery
711
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:28,449
that wants to display
my photos.
712
00:49:30,986 --> 00:49:33,654
i did feel a very strong
responsibility
713
00:49:33,722 --> 00:49:36,323
and a concern about,
you know,
714
00:49:36,391 --> 00:49:39,393
will the show be too much
715
00:49:39,461 --> 00:49:41,529
what if this leads to,
you know, attention
716
00:49:41,596 --> 00:49:44,532
and it's bad for him
in some way
717
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,401
will the photographs look ok
will the space be ok
718
00:49:47,469 --> 00:49:49,904
will he like the space
will he be comfortable here
719
00:49:49,971 --> 00:49:51,305
will he make to the city
720
00:49:51,373 --> 00:49:54,074
he hasn't been here
for a long, long time.
721
00:49:54,142 --> 00:49:56,877
he hasn't been out of kingston
for a long, long time.
722
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:00,881
i'm happy about
the whole thing
723
00:50:00,949 --> 00:50:06,086
except the talk of me taking
something so sentimental to me
724
00:50:06,154 --> 00:50:10,391
and having it on display
100 miles away.
725
00:50:10,458 --> 00:50:14,562
it's a very big decision
for me to make.
726
00:50:48,163 --> 00:50:50,731
women want to meet
the artist.
727
00:50:50,799 --> 00:50:54,401
they don't want to hear
that the artist couldn't make it.
728
00:50:56,204 --> 00:50:59,039
they want to meet
the artist.
729
00:50:59,107 --> 00:51:02,810
and, of course, if some
big spendy guy comes in
730
00:51:02,877 --> 00:51:05,179
and he's looking
for something,
731
00:51:05,246 --> 00:51:08,882
he has tons of money,
mad money,
732
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:12,886
and he wants to meet
the artist,
733
00:51:12,954 --> 00:51:15,189
he doesn't want to hear,
oh, the artist couldn't make it,
734
00:51:15,256 --> 00:51:20,594
he's too afraid
to come to the city.
735
00:51:20,662 --> 00:51:24,531
yeah. so, i'm still afraid
to go to the city,
736
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:28,068
but that's where
courage comes in.
737
00:51:28,136 --> 00:51:35,242
courage. i was taught that
courage is to face the thing,
738
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:37,611
to do the thing,
739
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:44,284
even though i have
such great fear of doing it.
740
00:52:14,983 --> 00:52:20,054
anna comes back to town
and she's all pissy
741
00:52:20,121 --> 00:52:21,555
'cause i didn't want to go.
742
00:52:21,623 --> 00:52:25,592
'cause i have
mental problems.
743
00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:30,964
i'm still disturbed
by the ss tying me up.
744
00:52:41,076 --> 00:52:46,513
and to get a close-up
of her looking at me
745
00:52:46,581 --> 00:52:50,184
and then scooting on over,
and now we're kissing.
746
00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:59,560
so that's the whole
outcome of that.
747
00:53:07,836 --> 00:53:11,171
it gets stranger
by the moment, doesn't it
748
00:53:13,808 --> 00:53:17,077
218 pair...
749
00:53:17,145 --> 00:53:20,748
of women's essence.
750
00:53:20,815 --> 00:53:22,349
i mean, they wore these.
751
00:53:22,417 --> 00:53:26,920
they scuffed them up, i can tell
if they were a smoker or not.
752
00:53:26,988 --> 00:53:31,658
i should be a shoe
detective or something.
753
00:53:31,726 --> 00:53:35,295
yep. some of these...
754
00:53:35,363 --> 00:53:39,500
oh, none of these
are ones i've stole.
755
00:53:39,567 --> 00:53:43,103
they were all given
to me by women.
756
00:53:43,171 --> 00:53:46,406
they were.
i'm not kidding.
757
00:53:46,474 --> 00:53:49,643
like, colleen gave me
a bag full of shoes.
758
00:53:49,711 --> 00:53:51,845
colleen.
759
00:54:01,389 --> 00:54:05,492
the first night we went home
to his apartment
760
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,194
when he got out
of the hospital,
761
00:54:07,262 --> 00:54:12,866
he sees this whole
shelf of high heels.
762
00:54:12,934 --> 00:54:16,403
and he says to me,
763
00:54:16,471 --> 00:54:18,539
"do i have a girlfriend
that lives here "
764
00:54:18,606 --> 00:54:21,441
and i said, "no".
765
00:54:21,509 --> 00:54:25,145
and he says, "well,
what's with all the shoes
766
00:54:25,213 --> 00:54:28,182
and i said, "well, mark,
those are your shoes.
767
00:54:28,249 --> 00:54:29,950
"you buy them,
you collect them.
768
00:54:30,018 --> 00:54:33,053
i think
you wear them".
769
00:54:43,965 --> 00:54:50,037
if i tell people who i am
and what i'm about,
770
00:54:50,104 --> 00:54:52,039
i'm true to myself.
771
00:54:52,106 --> 00:54:54,675
that means i'm not
lying to myself.
772
00:54:56,544 --> 00:55:01,381
what they do with that
is on them.
773
00:55:01,449 --> 00:55:04,518
i'm not accountable
for their feelings
774
00:55:04,586 --> 00:55:09,857
or how they perceive it,
make faces and stuff.
775
00:55:09,924 --> 00:55:14,294
that's when i close in
and discover who i am.
776
00:55:14,362 --> 00:55:16,797
and that's all part of
the finding out who i am
777
00:55:16,865 --> 00:55:20,334
part of this new life,
778
00:55:20,401 --> 00:55:23,337
second life i was given.
779
00:55:44,125 --> 00:55:46,960
this is a b.a.r.
it's a browning automatic rifle.
780
00:55:47,028 --> 00:55:50,831
it's .30 caliber.
it has a mean punch.
781
00:55:50,899 --> 00:55:52,900
she's got two .45s.
782
00:55:52,967 --> 00:55:58,238
i've got 2 six shooters
and one .45 shoulder holster.
783
00:56:02,377 --> 00:56:08,015
when i walk the 2 miles
to the store...
784
00:56:09,817 --> 00:56:11,818
when i feel apprehensive
785
00:56:11,886 --> 00:56:18,525
and i look down at the jeep and
i know that they'll protect me.
786
00:56:18,593 --> 00:56:19,593
it's dolls.
787
00:56:19,661 --> 00:56:21,328
there's a lot
of firepower in there.
788
00:56:21,396 --> 00:56:23,330
and i make sure i put
the correct weapons
789
00:56:23,398 --> 00:56:27,034
with the most firepower
in there before i take my walks.
790
00:56:27,101 --> 00:56:30,304
it's just in case.
791
00:56:39,647 --> 00:56:41,715
people don't know
i'm disabled.
792
00:56:41,783 --> 00:56:44,718
they don't know that
i don't think correctly.
793
00:56:44,786 --> 00:56:47,721
they don't know that
i have psychological problems
794
00:56:47,789 --> 00:56:51,858
like i'm always on guard,
always looking over my shoulder,
795
00:56:51,926 --> 00:56:54,661
always worried about
being attacked again.
796
00:56:59,867 --> 00:57:01,635
they just see me
on the outside.
797
00:57:01,703 --> 00:57:05,672
outside, yeah, i'm trying
to act like a normal human
798
00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:08,008
so i don't
get attacked again
799
00:57:08,076 --> 00:57:11,545
by the stronger ones.
800
00:57:16,684 --> 00:57:21,688
i figured i'd go out and see
what was going on in town.
801
00:57:23,491 --> 00:57:27,995
while i'm focused in on
what's going on in my town,
802
00:57:28,062 --> 00:57:35,369
this ss asshole
snuck up behind me.
803
00:57:35,436 --> 00:57:37,671
and i don't hear him.
804
00:57:42,143 --> 00:57:46,613
brings me back to town
805
00:57:46,681 --> 00:57:48,815
where all
of his buddies are,
806
00:57:48,883 --> 00:57:53,453
and five of them figured
they'd have a little fun with me.
807
00:58:00,128 --> 00:58:03,730
and then it all
comes back again--
808
00:58:03,798 --> 00:58:09,369
the attack, those five scumbags,
how bad i want to kill them.
809
00:58:11,372 --> 00:58:15,542
i hope mark is not always
haunted by this experience,
810
00:58:15,610 --> 00:58:18,812
but unfortunately,
this kind of thing
811
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,250
doesn't leave you
just because the case is over.
812
00:58:24,752 --> 00:58:29,022
i don't know if i'll
start ripping them apart.
813
00:58:29,090 --> 00:58:32,526
i don't know if
i'm gonna want to kill them.
814
00:58:32,593 --> 00:58:37,597
and i don't know if it's gonna
take, like, 8 police officers
815
00:58:37,665 --> 00:58:39,132
to shoot me.
816
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,071
there's no fair fighting person
that's been jumped on from behind
817
00:58:44,138 --> 00:58:47,808
and every memory
kicked out of his head.
818
00:58:47,875 --> 00:58:51,378
there's no etiquette
to fighting after that.
819
00:58:55,249 --> 00:58:57,717
sorry, i get a little
angry and stuff
820
00:58:57,785 --> 00:58:59,886
thinking about it.
821
00:59:03,958 --> 00:59:08,795
after they get done
kicking and punching me,
822
00:59:08,863 --> 00:59:11,131
they drag me in the church.
823
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:15,735
figured they'd have
further fun.
824
00:59:15,803 --> 00:59:20,140
there's that asshole.
happy what he did.
825
00:59:20,208 --> 00:59:24,911
he's like, "good.
kill that hogancamp".
826
00:59:29,283 --> 00:59:33,787
so deja thorus sensed
that i was in danger.
827
00:59:33,855 --> 00:59:36,523
so she hopped
in her time machine
828
00:59:36,591 --> 00:59:39,993
and used it just
to transport herself
829
00:59:40,061 --> 00:59:44,030
as fast as a plasma jet
of a blazar,
830
00:59:44,098 --> 00:59:49,503
which travels at 99.9%
the speed of light.
831
00:59:52,573 --> 00:59:58,612
like i imaged that
it happened in real life.
832
01:00:01,916 --> 01:00:03,617
there she is.
833
01:00:03,684 --> 01:00:05,652
my savior.
834
01:00:15,963 --> 01:00:20,600
and then, in like a belgian
accent girl voice,
835
01:00:20,668 --> 01:00:24,804
"oh, my love. why would
anybody do such a thing to you "
836
01:00:27,275 --> 01:00:30,644
since i can't remember
837
01:00:30,711 --> 01:00:35,815
what happened in the bar,
what led them to beat me up,
838
01:00:35,883 --> 01:00:42,022
i was told that i told them
that i was a crossdresser.
839
01:00:43,357 --> 01:00:48,395
so that's what
i have been told happened.
840
01:00:48,462 --> 01:00:51,631
so i think they...
841
01:00:51,699 --> 01:00:54,505
i believe they attacked me
842
01:00:54,506 --> 01:00:58,406
because i mentioned
that i was a crossdresser.
843
01:01:01,676 --> 01:01:04,044
we were in the bar.
the guy said
844
01:01:04,111 --> 01:01:07,180
he was a crossdresser
and everything.
845
01:01:07,248 --> 01:01:10,083
and i started figuring
out he was gonna get it.
846
01:01:11,686 --> 01:01:14,621
i think freddy wanted
to beat his ass.
847
01:01:14,689 --> 01:01:16,957
he was saying, "i have
no problems with anybody.
848
01:01:17,024 --> 01:01:20,026
i have no problems
with anybody".
849
01:01:20,094 --> 01:01:21,995
that guy didn't
do nothing to anybody.
850
01:01:22,063 --> 01:01:25,165
i could tell he was
being set-up.
851
01:01:41,849 --> 01:01:43,717
man.
852
01:01:43,784 --> 01:01:46,620
when in doubt,
bring them all.
853
01:01:48,522 --> 01:01:51,124
got to bring
this asshole.
854
01:01:55,329 --> 01:01:58,198
i don't know if
i'll use all these,
855
01:01:58,266 --> 01:01:59,666
but i bring them
anyway,
856
01:01:59,734 --> 01:02:01,401
just in case.
857
01:02:36,937 --> 01:02:40,607
i'm really, really attempting
to have a positive look--
858
01:02:40,675 --> 01:02:43,943
outlook on everything.
859
01:02:46,347 --> 01:02:50,517
but it's that subconscious
fear that i still have,
860
01:02:50,584 --> 01:02:53,086
you know, about being
hurt again.
861
01:02:53,154 --> 01:02:54,621
that's the biggest fear.
862
01:02:54,689 --> 01:02:55,989
i don't want to get hurt
863
01:02:56,057 --> 01:03:00,093
mentally or emotionally
or physically ever again.
864
01:03:10,771 --> 01:03:13,973
so that's why, thank god,
there's that other voice in my head
865
01:03:14,041 --> 01:03:18,278
that still didn't get broke
in that attack
866
01:03:18,346 --> 01:03:21,147
that tells that side
that's so worried,
867
01:03:21,215 --> 01:03:26,152
"hey, come on, don't think
about all that stuff.
868
01:03:26,220 --> 01:03:29,356
"come on, give it a go, man.
869
01:03:29,423 --> 01:03:36,563
do the show like you do
marwencol the story".
870
01:04:01,956 --> 01:04:06,926
and since i was given
a second chance at life,
871
01:04:06,994 --> 01:04:12,332
i want to live this
rest of my life to the fullest.
872
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,001
i'm gonna do things i've
always wanted to do
873
01:04:15,069 --> 01:04:16,803
but was always
afraid to do.
874
01:04:16,871 --> 01:04:19,172
i'm gonna do them now.
875
01:04:21,809 --> 01:04:24,444
you know, like wear
pantyhose, wear a skirt,
876
01:04:24,512 --> 01:04:26,413
you know, wear heels
and stuff.
877
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,248
it's just--
it's good feeling.
878
01:04:28,315 --> 01:04:33,319
i mean, i haven't got up
the gumption to walk in public.
879
01:04:49,837 --> 01:04:51,304
i don't know
how to be smooth.
880
01:04:51,372 --> 01:04:54,174
that's my-- i mean, i don't know
if i want to look like james bond
881
01:04:54,241 --> 01:04:57,777
or if i just want to look
like a hip artist.
882
01:04:57,845 --> 01:05:00,346
i don't know.
883
01:05:03,818 --> 01:05:09,088
but i'm representing myself
down there.
884
01:05:09,156 --> 01:05:11,491
and i don't want to
wear anything stupid.
885
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:16,029
'cause the first impression
is a lasting impression.
886
01:05:16,096 --> 01:05:19,799
you know, that's what leads me
all the way back to the suit.
887
01:05:21,936 --> 01:05:25,939
but really-- what i'd
really like to wear
888
01:05:26,006 --> 01:05:30,210
is that long chiffon
slit skirt.
889
01:05:35,583 --> 01:05:37,951
but that's what
i'd like to wear
890
01:05:38,018 --> 01:05:40,954
in my fantasy world.
891
01:05:54,168 --> 01:05:58,438
these are meant for women's
dolls legs, but they fit mine.
892
01:06:01,942 --> 01:06:09,182
my figure, 2 or 3 times i put
tights under his pants
893
01:06:09,250 --> 01:06:10,617
just to see
how that felt.
894
01:06:10,684 --> 01:06:12,752
and i was like, no,
i'm still--
895
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:16,289
i don't want to come out
of the closet in my town yet.
896
01:06:16,357 --> 01:06:22,595
but my girls, they know me
better than i know me.
897
01:07:04,038 --> 01:07:08,775
you're gonna let me loose in a
land of people that are like me--
898
01:07:08,842 --> 01:07:10,910
greenwich village,
899
01:07:10,978 --> 01:07:13,746
the weirdest place
on the planet,
900
01:07:13,814 --> 01:07:17,784
where i could walk in high
heels and nobody would care.
901
01:07:17,851 --> 01:07:20,620
some dude would say, "hey,
nice shoes". "thanks, man".
902
01:07:20,688 --> 01:07:22,455
you know what i mean
903
01:07:22,523 --> 01:07:23,957
"i like your shoes, too".
904
01:07:24,024 --> 01:07:27,060
you know what i mean
it's, like, people like me.
905
01:07:27,127 --> 01:07:30,530
nobody cares. they're all
artists and stuff down there.
906
01:07:36,270 --> 01:07:40,074
so for me, it's gonna be
that's what i envisioned,
907
01:07:40,075 --> 01:07:41,875
that's what i project.
908
01:07:54,254 --> 01:07:56,389
i put them
like this.
909
01:07:56,457 --> 01:07:58,891
you know, pull
the blanket over.
910
01:07:58,959 --> 01:08:01,294
then make sure that
nobody's hanging off
911
01:08:01,362 --> 01:08:03,196
and they're
all tucked in.
912
01:08:03,263 --> 01:08:04,831
because
if they're happy,
913
01:08:04,898 --> 01:08:07,367
it means
i'll sleep better.
914
01:08:10,004 --> 01:08:11,537
i always see them.
915
01:08:11,605 --> 01:08:15,174
they're the last things i see
before i close my eyes
916
01:08:15,242 --> 01:08:16,843
and go to bed.
917
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:21,848
i love you.
918
01:08:31,258 --> 01:08:33,292
that's just
how i say it.
919
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,131
out loud
so i can hear it.
920
01:08:39,767 --> 01:08:43,302
that's how often
i get out from here
921
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:48,007
to see real women
that wear make-up.
922
01:08:48,075 --> 01:08:50,276
and something
other than sneakers
923
01:08:50,344 --> 01:08:52,712
and jeans or boots.
924
01:09:04,491 --> 01:09:05,525
i'm nervous.
925
01:09:05,592 --> 01:09:07,493
i'm super freakin' tired.
926
01:09:07,561 --> 01:09:11,564
my energy level--
the batteries are low.
927
01:09:22,142 --> 01:09:23,910
i couldn't sleep last night.
928
01:09:23,977 --> 01:09:27,947
i'm thinking about this
and making lists and stuff.
929
01:09:28,015 --> 01:09:30,349
you know, and i'm making
another list now this morning.
930
01:09:30,417 --> 01:09:31,851
copying makes sure,
931
01:09:31,919 --> 01:09:33,453
so writing it the second time,
932
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,256
you know, it's like, all right,
make sure i have everything.
933
01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:08,387
i built marwencol for me,
934
01:10:08,455 --> 01:10:09,989
for my therapy,
935
01:10:10,057 --> 01:10:12,492
and now it's like everybody's.
936
01:10:12,559 --> 01:10:15,328
like, everybody wants to--
everybody wants to
937
01:10:15,395 --> 01:10:17,430
play in it or be part
of it and everything,
938
01:10:17,498 --> 01:10:19,899
and i don't want all that.
939
01:10:24,338 --> 01:10:26,906
it's like this is
the one last thing
940
01:10:26,974 --> 01:10:30,409
that i don't ever want
taken from me.
941
01:10:32,246 --> 01:10:35,114
and it seems like it is,
942
01:10:35,182 --> 01:10:37,416
but theoretically it's not.
943
01:10:37,484 --> 01:10:40,419
it's still mine.
944
01:10:40,487 --> 01:10:42,755
it's still mine.
945
01:11:04,444 --> 01:11:10,817
i expected 98% of people
in greenwich village
946
01:11:10,884 --> 01:11:14,320
to be walking on the street
in big feathers,
947
01:11:14,388 --> 01:11:16,722
and outfits, and...
948
01:11:23,497 --> 01:11:26,833
i'm glad i have the ability
949
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:30,102
to escape into
a fantasy world.
950
01:11:30,170 --> 01:11:33,673
i'm real glad that
i have that ability
951
01:11:33,740 --> 01:11:37,510
because those guys,
i thought, took it away.
952
01:11:37,578 --> 01:11:39,846
i thought they took away
my imagination
953
01:11:39,913 --> 01:11:42,081
along with everything else.
954
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:45,184
and like i've been
fighting to get balance
955
01:11:45,252 --> 01:11:47,353
and everything else back,
you know,
956
01:11:47,421 --> 01:11:50,790
i fought for my imagination,
to get that back.
957
01:11:50,858 --> 01:11:54,760
and that's when
marwencol started.
958
01:11:57,097 --> 01:12:00,533
the more i built and
the more i played around,
959
01:12:00,601 --> 01:12:02,368
you know, and bought
figures and stuff,
960
01:12:02,436 --> 01:12:06,105
the more the story just
came alive in my head.
961
01:12:09,977 --> 01:12:12,311
so... it's gonna
go there.
962
01:12:12,379 --> 01:12:14,046
ok the big one
963
01:12:19,219 --> 01:12:23,155
every time i see
marwencol the town,
964
01:12:23,223 --> 01:12:27,326
it brings me right back
to when i started the town,
965
01:12:27,394 --> 01:12:30,663
and how close and dear
it was to me,
966
01:12:30,731 --> 01:12:35,167
and how much i wanted people
to know about my town
967
01:12:35,235 --> 01:12:36,736
and to be part of my town.
968
01:12:36,803 --> 01:12:40,006
that's why i started putting
people that i know in it,
969
01:12:40,073 --> 01:12:43,509
is because i feel
so alone here.
970
01:12:43,577 --> 01:12:46,512
and if i have an alter ego
971
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:48,915
from people that i know
in my town,
972
01:12:48,982 --> 01:12:51,784
i can manipulate them,
make them do whatever i--
973
01:12:51,852 --> 01:12:53,753
you know, i want.
974
01:12:53,820 --> 01:12:59,091
and, you know, i'll be
surrounded by my friends.
975
01:13:01,595 --> 01:13:04,430
now look right dead
in the camera.
976
01:13:06,767 --> 01:13:09,201
what do you think
about this
977
01:13:11,305 --> 01:13:13,472
that's a nice camera.
978
01:13:13,540 --> 01:13:16,475
no, the artwork
we have to look at today.
979
01:13:16,543 --> 01:13:18,411
oh.
980
01:13:18,478 --> 01:13:20,546
there's no words.
981
01:13:22,316 --> 01:13:24,550
i can't
think of anything.
982
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,500
it's a suit-and-tie
thing
983
01:13:41,568 --> 01:13:42,768
- no, no.
- no, no, no, no.
984
01:13:42,836 --> 01:13:44,270
you can wear what
you're wearing now.
985
01:13:44,338 --> 01:13:45,604
see what everybody's...
986
01:13:45,672 --> 01:13:47,673
yeah, this is what
i'll be wearing.
987
01:13:47,741 --> 01:13:50,276
i want you
to be yourself.
988
01:13:50,344 --> 01:13:52,278
you don't have to feel
like you have to dress up.
989
01:13:52,346 --> 01:13:54,747
that's all. you can wear
whatever you want.
990
01:13:58,852 --> 01:14:02,188
fucking man's shoes.
991
01:14:02,255 --> 01:14:04,523
they look all right.
992
01:14:04,591 --> 01:14:06,359
is my hair all right
and shit
993
01:14:06,426 --> 01:14:08,361
yeah, you look
great, man.
994
01:14:08,428 --> 01:14:11,364
i look like
a beatnik artist
995
01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:33,719
there's definitely been a strong
response to his work.
996
01:14:36,556 --> 01:14:39,158
what i really love is for
somebody to come along--
997
01:14:39,226 --> 01:14:44,830
and a gallerist,
or a dealer, or a curator--
998
01:14:44,898 --> 01:14:47,266
and say, "this is really
interesting work.
999
01:14:47,334 --> 01:14:51,504
i'd like to help him
show it on a regular basis".
1000
01:14:51,571 --> 01:14:53,839
i think that
the really ideal thing
1001
01:14:53,907 --> 01:14:55,543
would be for him to know
1002
01:14:55,544 --> 01:14:57,344
that when he makes work
from now on out,
1003
01:14:57,411 --> 01:15:01,347
there are gonna be people
ready and waiting to see it.
1004
01:15:08,021 --> 01:15:09,455
i don't know what to say.
1005
01:15:09,523 --> 01:15:11,791
i don't know how
to speak to people.
1006
01:15:11,858 --> 01:15:14,960
they're big collectors,
they're big, important people,
1007
01:15:15,028 --> 01:15:18,297
but i have no idea
how to talk with them.
1008
01:15:18,365 --> 01:15:19,965
should i
be writing shit down
1009
01:15:20,033 --> 01:15:22,301
should i
photograph them what
1010
01:15:22,369 --> 01:15:25,638
you know, so the most i could do
to that big collector
1011
01:15:25,705 --> 01:15:28,407
was say, "you have nice shoes.
i like your shoes".
1012
01:15:28,475 --> 01:15:32,311
and she looked at me like,
"you're strange," you know
1013
01:15:32,379 --> 01:15:35,147
- sorry, ladies before gents.
- yeah, go ahead.
1014
01:15:35,215 --> 01:15:38,417
in europe they always
offer a cigarette.
1015
01:15:38,485 --> 01:15:39,652
that's the one.
1016
01:15:39,719 --> 01:15:42,154
i have 218 pair at home.
1017
01:15:42,222 --> 01:15:43,656
- really
- yeah.
1018
01:15:43,723 --> 01:15:45,157
pictures or
pairs of shoes
1019
01:15:45,225 --> 01:15:46,258
really shoes
1020
01:15:46,326 --> 01:15:48,928
oh, women's, man.
1021
01:15:48,995 --> 01:15:51,263
it's like, when i'm stuck
where the movie's going--
1022
01:15:51,331 --> 01:15:56,001
the movie--
where the story's going...
1023
01:15:56,069 --> 01:15:58,671
i slip on
a pair of heels,
1024
01:15:58,738 --> 01:16:02,108
and the characters
tell me
1025
01:16:02,175 --> 01:16:04,677
where the story's
going next.
1026
01:16:04,744 --> 01:16:06,912
hmm.
1027
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:09,615
that's anna and i just
taking a ride yesterday.
1028
01:16:09,683 --> 01:16:10,816
who's anna
1029
01:16:10,884 --> 01:16:12,284
my wife.
1030
01:16:12,352 --> 01:16:17,289
see, the s.s. sent
somebody there to kill me,
1031
01:16:17,357 --> 01:16:19,792
and all the women
of marwencol
1032
01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:22,294
stabbed the crap
out of him.
1033
01:16:22,362 --> 01:16:26,298
and i make sure that i turn
that damn flash off...
1034
01:16:26,366 --> 01:16:27,533
oh, yeah.
1035
01:16:27,601 --> 01:16:29,969
'cause the flash takes
50% away from the photo.
1036
01:16:30,036 --> 01:16:31,537
oh, yeah.
1037
01:16:37,711 --> 01:16:41,380
not one picture did i take
of my show,
1038
01:16:41,448 --> 01:16:43,816
or of people hanging out
at my show,
1039
01:16:43,884 --> 01:16:47,653
or... just shoe shots.
1040
01:16:53,727 --> 01:16:56,328
i was like an elephant
1041
01:16:56,396 --> 01:16:59,064
left in charge of the peanuts.
1042
01:17:27,127 --> 01:17:30,462
that's good.
that's what he-- that's it.
1043
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:33,465
all right, so long, ladies.
1044
01:17:42,142 --> 01:17:43,809
i went to his show,
1045
01:17:43,877 --> 01:17:46,579
and i sat there,
and i was looking,
1046
01:17:46,646 --> 01:17:50,149
and i was listening to people's
opinions about his stuff.
1047
01:17:50,217 --> 01:17:52,818
and i felt myself, like,
getting mad or defensive
1048
01:17:52,886 --> 01:17:54,420
about people who had
negative stuff.
1049
01:17:54,487 --> 01:17:58,390
like, the one guy: "oh, let's go
look at pictures of real war".
1050
01:17:58,458 --> 01:18:01,627
you know, like,
this is mark's real war.
1051
01:18:32,959 --> 01:18:35,127
my mind can't decide
1052
01:18:35,195 --> 01:18:39,298
what world to go for.
1053
01:18:39,366 --> 01:18:41,900
realistic world
1054
01:18:41,968 --> 01:18:45,704
but there's dangers out there.
1055
01:18:45,772 --> 01:18:49,975
people out there are so...
1056
01:18:50,043 --> 01:18:51,410
real.
1057
01:18:51,478 --> 01:18:54,713
and i don't understand
all that.
1058
01:18:59,386 --> 01:19:04,323
i feel safe
when i get in my town,
1059
01:19:04,391 --> 01:19:09,061
and it just takes
everything away.
1060
01:19:12,565 --> 01:19:15,501
i prefer...
1061
01:19:15,568 --> 01:19:18,904
to live in my world.
1062
01:19:21,241 --> 01:19:25,077
i want to live here
in marwencol.
1063
01:19:45,265 --> 01:19:47,032
my character in the story
1064
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:51,036
had to create something
for himself
1065
01:19:51,104 --> 01:19:54,206
to deal with the trauma
that he still had
1066
01:19:54,274 --> 01:19:58,377
from being attacked by five s.s.,
1067
01:19:58,445 --> 01:20:02,881
and beaten, and kicked,
almost to death.
1068
01:20:02,949 --> 01:20:06,552
you know, so it was a lot
of wear and tear
1069
01:20:06,619 --> 01:20:09,822
on his mind and stuff, so...
1070
01:20:09,889 --> 01:20:13,659
you know, he found comfort
1071
01:20:13,727 --> 01:20:17,930
in building his own little
world, his own little town,
1072
01:20:17,997 --> 01:20:19,665
that's, you know,
1073
01:20:19,733 --> 01:20:24,002
peopled with little
1/6 scale dolls and figures
1074
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:27,573
and stuff, and each
with a personality.
1075
01:22:18,047 --> 01:22:24,847
published 06/16/2013
@ www.podnapisi.net
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