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harley

i wish you were here right now man

because i am face to face

because i'm sorry son of a [ __ ] who

calls himself rafael

caro quintero

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oh

you can shoot him in here or i can stage

and escape so that you can shoot him

outside

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wait a minute

what's going on

what'd he do it he might

clements knew kiki didn't he

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you're right

tony what the hell's going on come on

back tony what's going on

don don

you should be dead

but you've got too much to say that we

want to hear

yeah yeah he's alive over

thank you we got him florentino

ventura's already in the air to pick him

up

costa rica is expelling cairo to mexico

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i made them all rich pederales

state police cfs

everyone had their palm out no one said

no to carlos money

you paid the policemen in guadalajara

federal state police css

who who in the state police was paid off

i left my list at home ask him about the

cfs come on

mr standards i will decide what's

important what's not

we're not even writing down the answers

he's given you so what

so what

uh please

let's go back to the house there was a

lot of people in the house

what else

is that how she killed kiki how many

maybe 50 maybe 100. hey hey who else was

in that house how about some names

other people mr riva mr steinmetz we

have permission from florentino ventura

to be part of this interrogation pal you

understand this interrogation is run by

the attorney general's office

not commandante valentino ventura and

the federal police

hey carl come on who were they

who were the others

i was taking a nap i woke up

i went outside

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compass now that our friends are here to

protect us

let's have some fun huh it's too quiet

around here

were they carl were they cfs were the

army

what about that that gun they found with

the cfs initials and

what about that then there was your cfs

identity card had your picture on it was

signed by

some general ruiz velasquez pasta

we're just trying to find out who the

hell was in the house this man is

confessing

and you are interfering he's gonna tell

you everything you want to hear

it will not be

i would like the truth hey carl

carl huh

stallone i have a feeling in my bones

and uh

a lot of things are pointing in a

certain direction

carl quintero and fonseca abducted kiki

camarena but

uh you weren't alone you know

the weather is involved ooh

well it could have been internal

security it could have been the army cfs

i'm telling you the cfs is all the way

through this thing

see when we picked up cara all his men

and him had cfs badges on them now every

time i interrogated carl

and every time i mentioned the cfs he

just sapped any twitch we all know that

there's some

corrupt officials and police we all know

that

georgia i just don't think you grasped

the situation here

i mean the kind of cops that carl runs

are not the kind to go out and organize

something like the bravo scam okay

i mean carl is just not that

sophisticated now he said when i

interrogated him that there were like 50

or 100 people in that house

so they pump kiki out of all the

information that he's got right

they get everything then they kill him

and then they take them someplace and

they dump them in a hole in the ground

and that's when this cover-up starts

so who do we get we get this first

commandante the federal police

this pavon ray skye and he comes and

tells us he says

i really want to find kiki's murder now

all the time

he knows that kiki is dead and he is

buried in primavera park

now i only know one thing

this thing was so well organized i mean

it was fast it was

quick it was executed professionally and

a cop on the take don't do that

you can't someone's back here someone

who knows what the hell they're doing

my question is

who and how high up are they

i mean is it the cfs officer is it

military what are they doing they

skimming the cream off of carl's

millions

you know helping him out once in a while

or to go higher than that see

i mean who the hell are these people

we'll give them

a trial a guilty verdict

prison will give them

the

on the road they have discovered cfs

badges with your signature guatemoc

other than that they only have theories

and suspicions

caro quintero and fonseca stay mexican

hands forever

neither day nor any other major

narco-trafficking deserved to fall

into the hands of the americans

carol and fonseca will leave reclusari

of the north prison only one way

in a pine box

the losses are 15 irrelevant local cubs

the peacock pavon reggies and two

sinaloa pesan bandidos who are easily

replaceable

so as of this moment the government of

the republic of mexico

has decided the camarena case is solved

cooperation with americans on this

incident

is over all the physical evidence

is to be destroyed

case closed finney

and on the whole we have done

very well

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tell all your readers

because you see all these people here

they're my friends

i love all women because i was born of a

woman

and it pleases me from the bottom of my

heart

to help the poor because i was so poor

as a kid

but i am retired now

in my life

i cannot speak about it because i've

suffered too much

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it's not about authority george it's

about you leaning on

i can't get hair samples prints

nothing out of them on carlo quintero or

fonseca let alone lopez res on the rest

now i'm going to need that in order to

match whatever hair samples we discover

if the government ever reveals the

location the crime scene to us

they don't see why we need a u.s grand

jury to indict and try them too well did

you explain to them that on the united

states law

killing a united states official is an

act of terrorism

and that allows us to grab an indicted

killer or a co-conspirator anywhere in

the world

anywhere in the world or is that what

they're afraid of

tackle guy like you i can see why you're

not getting anywhere listen i don't care

what the hell you think about my tact

i'm not down here on some diplomatic

mission my friend

i'm trying to get some indictments to

bootstrap our way above cara and fonseca

so what about the bindings kiki's

clothes

fabric samples of the shroud all the

physical evidence let me say it again

loud and clear they refused

they said no they told me to go to hell

have you got it

great great

you want to tell me what's going on ray

you won't talk to me at the embassy

i got a nice office there air

conditioned yeah yeah and the walls have

ears

come on ray what are you going to tell

me that the walls can't hear it's not

what i'm going to tell you

it's what the agency is gonna do for me

is that kiki camarena yeah

kiki was a good guy

let me just talk to you in your office

just for a minute all right it's not

going to take a lot of your time i need

to ask you something very important

huh all i want is just access to the

physical evidence that's it

giggy was my friend too it was a sad day

when he died yeah

it was i got two fbi foreign

give me something for them to do

i mean they can work the bindings of

clothes you know

you don't care about protecting these

people anymore you don't give a damn

about that i know you come on

i'm asking for a favor for god's sake

can't give you what you want

i'm sorry harley

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seriously

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huh

what is it

the feds found the place where they're

holding kiki

it's eight eight one kaye loco de vega

fbi forensics is on their way over there

right now

yeah yeah anyway stephanie's on his way

yeah

what else do you got

i can do it alone harley no it wouldn't

be right

what the hell are they standing around

for hey what the hell's going on here

cleaned up repainted inside's been

stripped clean

yard's right pool's empty

crime scene's completely ruined man they

trashed it

i wanted to leave it so there was

nothing for us to work on

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fresh paint what

i love the smell of fresh paint

i left us nothing

can we go to work on nothing

alright

okay what do you got

evidence i believe this is the place

that was on the car in which cameron was

abducted

give it to me no absolutely not

you can't have it i found it so it's

mine

you don't seriously think i'm going to

let you walk out of here but the license

plate you senor

hand it over

okay senor perhaps you might want to

relax

it's a lovely pool don't you fill it up

again

have a nice friend

shouldn't let him get away with that i

didn't

i stole him richie just lifted the

prince

nice move no it's not

a couple of hairs from the bottom of the

pool a couple smudged prints from a

license plate

big deal

this is a place

i swear they did it

was here

they painted it but uh i can still smell

the blood in here

door was open now they're closing it out

they're closing it

you gotta keep it together harley we're

gonna get him

every one of them you and me

are gonna kick so much ass down here

they're gonna write about about us

a regular corgi doll

let's go

harley a little food wouldn't hurt that

tequila a bit

no i'm not hungry

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son of a [ __ ]

finally let's get out of here here we go

darling

no now i can't leave now time all right

i know the territory's better than

anybody else

you know something they are never going

to find

you kill kiki bureaucrats going to wear

them down

they're going to get lost in the shuffle

honey they're going to get begged out

you know

drowned in the amorphousness of it

not me not me

it's a it's about kiki and it's about

more and kiki

but fat cats who did it and got rich and

retired marbella with 20 million dollars

in some luxembourg bank

that's what it's about the money from

selling that

poison up north and they sell it to kids

don't that's all they sell at the kids

it's a chemical war waged against our

people

alienated and dispossessed

and kill each other for 20 minutes and a

good time

and that's what it's about

you get it

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oh

those are transcriptions not shorthand

what does that suggest

they're transcripts of a tape

they taped it they tape recorded kiki's

torture and his interrogation

and if we were able to get our hands on

the transcripts

what does that tell you but you probably

got them from the guys you hired the

routine counter espionage and tell the

kgb all over mexico city

same department armando rivera works for

federal security cfs

does that mean that they did it not

necessarily

but it does mean their bosses in the

government have the original tapes

that's where these came from

interesting speculation

you're gonna figure out who'll leak this

why'd you do it

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a lot of guys in the agency feel the

same way

we all helped to get this

i don't know the dea turning everything

upside down for one guy

kind of cool

good luck carson

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they're trying to close the door they've

just about done it

there's a crack of daylight left and

these tapes are red

how do we know these transcripts are

real well in the transcripts

kiki refers to uh two of the informants

with their code names and

and he and i were the only ones who knew

what those names were so

the transcripts are for real if they

hand over the tapes we'll be able to

work backwards from the type of

questions being asked to

get an idea of who needed the answers

who did the asking

etc

how many are there i don't know

then i'll refer to tapes use the plural

question is will they go for it

or will they laugh in her face

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it's come to our attention mr attorney

general

you are in possession of the tapes that

were made of the

camarena interrogation while it was

under control of carl cantero

we'd like them

mr lone we are here to discuss

the eradication table were made of the

camarena interrogation

and i'd like them the first item on

today's agenda gentlemen

is helicopter spare parts tapes of the

camarena interrogation

sir is it the u.s intent to replace drug

eradication program helicopters

or increase the supply of spare parts

the tapes of the camarena interrogation

tapes they exist we know it

we have incontrovertible proof mr

attorney general what mr lawn means when

he says the word you

is your government the tapes exist and

you may not be

immediately and personally at work

well it does seem yes it seems after

fonseca was arrested they found them i

found tapes

yes had them

however we have a difficulty and what is

that

as this administration senior council on

legal policy i feel that they

are too uh sensitive you can appreciate

it

i appreciate your suppressing evidence

we would like the tapes mr lone the

tapes at the moment there

are not in mexico please don't give me

the tapes i'll call the press conference

every newspaper and television station

in mexico will show up

mexico city papers in particular have

been very interested in what we have to

say about corruption

in this administration

are you threatening us

absolutely i will let you listen to the

tapes

and then we can discuss how you can get

copies

next

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we're going to pack our things

our household things

have you dropped it we yes

sir i'll explain

we had nothing to do with that

affair then what are you doing here

as i said i'm getting ready to leave

they aren't briefing me on anything of

importance

sir i only work at the dea

in guadalajara i'm not the resident in

asian in charge i'm not the boss

i don't know as many things as you think

i know

tell me about the jewel my fan that it

was a matter developed by the emocial

office

not our office

i apologize for you on the street

we will not hit you anymore

but you must talk

all right

okay put

yes just a few more questions

don't worry don't worry

you will see a wife and children again

very soon

look i told you about the one at

childhood

i can't i can't just tell me what you

know about our friend ramon where

where where

um

he's alone

yes

you must be very tired mr long but

perhaps you like to be my guest at my

favorite restaurant

it's only 25 kilometers i love town

i wouldn't go 25 kilometers out of town

with you

25 kilometers mr diaz

i wouldn't go 25 feet across the street

with you

hello hello

hello mr lone mika

you should know because you're gonna

hear it uh we've discovered tape

recordings of

kiki being asked questions

he was very brave

the discovery of these tapes will be

very helpful in

leading us to the people we're after

mika

please don't hesitate to ask for

anything you need mika

said they saw you at the murder side

shall i bring them in

no ask him about the commandant he's

getting there

i'm thirsty who was in charge of the

interrogation

i don't know who else was there then so

many

did they want to know what camarena knew

about them

to talk to him who wanted to know what

he knew how the hell do i know

i'm a pistol hero i don't know who's in

the social register man and where do i

get something to eat

when we're finished well can we at least

order a quesadilla man i could start to

death in here listening to your stupid

questions

shut up

hey government you don't have to impress

your gringo friends behind the mirror

i'm not always going to be in this

prison man

if you threaten us again i'm going to

tear the tongue off your head with

pliers

do you understand

uh

now which of the traffickers was in the

house besides carl quintero and fonseca

ah

i don't know

someone

i think i heard ramon

from the north i think um

who's ramon i don't know

that name comes up on the tapes too i'm

dead

i followed the chango into the bedroom

and i saw cameron semi-conscious

blindfolded bound bad shape

mumbling what else did he say

he got a family what else the man in

charge of the interrogation told me

yes

this luis guy is good

what did he tell you

told me to put camarena into the trunk

of a light blue

dodge dart that was the last i saw of

him

he just admitted he knew him ask him

again about the commentary

tell me the name of the commandante

the state police commandant a nickname

you see cfs ifs

the political police go on i can't you

must if i if you

don't who

we have to know name him

spino

sergio espino verdin

am i correct

the former guadalajara commandante

of the federal intelligence service am i

correct

you are correct

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go to the next line please

i apologize

for your mistreatment

just

a few more minutes and we'll

return you to your family

just tell me what

you know about

our friend remo

uh please repeat that phrase again

commandant spiritually

please we

will not hit you anymore

would you do something i tried

they took ventura's man off the case

they gave us this guy he's an amateur

he's hopeless

a cheap tape recorder letting the guy

say his own words

like the phone book what the hell kind

of voice print is this going to be i

can't make a comparison from this

you're sipping us i'm sorry mr carson

but the interior okay that's okay luis

it's all right

just

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this son of a [ __ ] come on you killed

him

you killed him you beat him you tortured

him and then you murdered him

they killed him and now you're a

protagonist come on

you're giving the voice

get protected

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what's i gonna do is i gotta bring kiki

back

he's gonna make sure he didn't die for

nothing right

sure he didn't die for nothing is

working the case

what case

we had to speed up our team

what are you gonna do with that

what is wrong with you what is wrong

with you

okay okay they're not going to give us

espino verdin

he was the interrogator he asked all the

questions he knows too much

so let's move on we ain't got nothing

they are bought and paid for every

single one of them

they are paid for and you understand we

ain't got nothing

there is no light at the end of this

thing man you see an end to this

i don't know if there's an end to this

or not that's not my job

my job is to work this case and if i

don't believe in that

then i believe that kiki died for

nothing and kiki's death means something

to every one of us

it means that one of us counts it means

that one of us makes a difference

and i'm not gonna let you give up on

this you are not gonna burn out on me

you are gonna make it to the finish line

if i have to drag you across

do you know why

do you know why

why

because you deserve to be there harley

you deserve to be there

okay

okay

i don't let him see you looking like

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this

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okay this is it jack we're nowhere with

espino verdin

they've taken the interrogation away

from ventura's people

consequently the voice print exemplars

were administered so poorly

that it's impossible to tell from the

tapes that he was the common dante

can you still get him only if i could

readminister the recording

and somehow politically force a trial

then a guilty verdict and then pressure

them into turning them over to our grand

jury

you want the biggest odds on that

they're terrible yeah right what about

the vector the physical evidence they've

trashed it

they're telling us all to go to hell

starting to feel it's impossible right

oh hell no we routinely accomplish the

impossible that's our job

what this is getting is very interesting

just give me something harley and i are

working on it jack

okay right goodbye

i'm going through kiki's casebook i

don't understand these names

all right see now kiki co-named all of

his informants to keep him safe

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you found a friend

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good night

i'm low the angel gave me a little beard

can you tell me about me no not exactly

you had a name in his case book

gabriel little campion

he was a good guy used to say i had a

lot of heart

next to gabriel he wrote a reference i

don't understand and you can help me

with it

bar from mexicali

kiki took good care of his people man

you got something for me then i got

something for you

hey you just don't get it all

you don't get it

you know you come in here you don't even

say how are you

would you like a drink no

oh from a garlic you got no finesse

man you got no finesse

listen i don't want to hurt your

feelings gabriel

but i don't have a lot of time here okay

okay yeah well then you could have

learned a lot from kiki

is

no all my life i've been six inches away

from guys i could beat my brains on

sizing them up you know looking in their

eyes

when i was muscled for rapha and ramon

i was looking in their eyes too it's

like looking into a doll's on

you're looking no more you see his glass

why was kiki so interested in ramon

verona

don't you know no

ramon verona is the main connection

he's the main pipeline from where to

where

mexico city the politicians

he's the main pipeline to all the guys

at the town that call the shots

and you know why tell them because he

moves all the money

he's the negotiator he's the bad man

you want to find out how things work in

mexico you follow the money

that's what kiki was into

go see this guy nice and geeky

thank you again

a little bunch of money

you know kiki was a friend of mine i did

this for him

not for you if i do this for you

i charge you plenty

he defiles of course but don't worry

about it

they're locked in a vault at the

consulate

you will do for me what cameron has

promised

you absolutely out for my girlfriend of

course of course

where do you want to start why don't we

start where kiki left off

yeah that'd be a good place to start and

what he had going with ramon varuna

no pa newport beach

shall we order sure

oh by the way are you aware that we have

information indicating that potego diaz

laundered over 100 million dollars in

the united states

through a man named ramon verona on the

other hand

i do want to re-administer the espino

verdan voice prince with american

technicians

i also want the physical evidence turned

over and shared with

our forensics people from the gravesites

and the lobodovega house

by the way the salmon here is very good

state department online too go ahead

mary put it through

afternoon jack jack this

call is because everyone here wants to

extend you every courtesy

plus you know how strongly the president

feels about the drug situation

additionally there's been a bit of

pressure from mexico city

to put this phone call in its real

politic

context i think i'll draw you a

hypothetical situation

now american banks have 25 billion

dollars

in mexican loans now if mexico

were to unilaterally impose a moratorium

on the interest on those debts

what effect do you think that might have

on the

well the security merchants bank of new

york say

of their portion of mexico's three

billion dollars interest

being knocked out of their cash flow

we're talking belly up time jack

now as pressure goes

this is mega tonnage do you know what it

took

one phone call okay what's the story

administration's war on drugs is going

to emphasize the domestic

struggle focusing on users in american

cities

fighting the war on our own home ground

not so much

on foreign shores where it has the best

chance of being effectively waged

interdicting and disrupting production

and transportation

as i said this call is a courtesy to

alert you to a position the president is

taking

when will he take it six o'clock news in

about

a minute and 30 seconds

the nbc news at the u.s capitol

drug trafficking corrupts in all

countries corrupts policemen

judges fiscal agents mexico is no

exception

what many mexicans say is that the

problem is primarily

in the insatiable american demand for

more and more drugs

if there were no demand there would be

no production and i'm happy that very

recently president reagan has recognized

the responsibility of the united states

to combat the phenomena of consumption

which unfortunately

has been growing at the white house

today president reagan met with mexican

president

miguel dilla madrid during private

meetings the differences continued mr

reagan

pushing his hard line against the

soviet-backed regime in nicaragua

dale madrid saying central american

turmoil is the result of social and

economic unrest

but in the closing toast there was

agreement the good and decent people of

both our countries

have made a strong commitment to fight

the scourge of narcotics

and drug trafficking this battle

continues

the mexican leader asked the u.s to

understand how hard it is

to reform the economy while paying off a

huge debt

mr reagan says the u.s will be

understanding and helping mexico get

new loans i'm impressed with the

commitment that you've made mr president

to meet this challenge

and to take the necessary steps to

achieve a robust growing

mexican economy the president was here

only four hours on his way back from

vacation

and some mexican officials thought he

should have stayed longer but u.s

officials say this dialogue is an

intense continuing process

chrissy connie nbc news with the

president in mexico

hello councillor portagolia is here

we are not going to readminister the

espino verdin test voice

because his lawyer has obtained an order

preventing more tests

so there'll be no more tests sorry good

night

sorry but i have very bad news to tell

you uh

do you know the physical evidence you

requested from attorney general garcia

ramirez

well i i investigate

it seems we burnt it it's all been

destroyed

what how can you destroy evidence while

an investigation is pending

it was purifying anyway it's done sorry

good night

looks like your boy's lady ho look

my information about [ __ ] is no good

you have to pay for amigo

it's true

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this car is illegally registered open up

the truck

open up the trunk

possession of an automatic weapon is a

serious offense

listen uh i'm with the dea i've also got

a diplomatic pass but we go to my office

clear this whole thing up wait i'm

taking you away

i got a diplomatic past

same thing that happened that's what's

gonna happen to you

we're gonna plug you into a wall socket

man you're gonna end up just like him

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that was it that was the last you saw

him we went back a couple of minutes

later like we planned but he was gone

the car was still there assume tony was

grabbed

what's happening on the phone check with

state officials federal police bob go

back down to the bowling alley see if

you can find somebody who saw tony leave

call jack lawn let him know it's not

gonna happen again

yes sir the police pulled up made them

open the drone

then they dragged them off the police

dragged them off let's see senor

i have told you we do not know if he is

here

and if i did there's

we're not leaving at least forever now

you don't demand nothing for me riva who

we were what

uh can i talk to you for a minute please

come here

we are not gonna leave here without our

friend tony

hora

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and then

i can't walk i can't walk

oh

tony riva the federal agent who says he

was kidnapped and tortured by mexican

police is back in the country

he showed up in tucson arizona where he

held a news conference today

looking arrested agent riva made his

first appearance since returning to the

u.s

from his ordeal in mexico on wednesday

of last week

reba was picked up by mexican police and

held in a jail in guadalajara

overnight riva said he was tortured

beaten and asked questions about the

activities

of the dea agents working in mexico the

interrogators wanted to know

about the way the drug enforcement

administration

the status of the investigation being

conducted in mexico

and uh the breadth of those

investigations

on thursday riva was rescued by u.s

agents who had been looking for him

and brought back to this country

i'm glad for the quick action of the

agents in guadalajara

uh in locating me it hadn't been for

them i don't think that i'd

be here in the united states uh

but my fellow agents refused to

allow me not to be here so well we

haven't what's going to happen

it is reprehensible for me and any law

enforcement officer in the world that

this conduct could be condoned

the nature of the riva interrogation

indicates to me that there were

individuals in the halisa state police

trying to determine the nature of dea's

investigative activity in mexico in

guadalajara

it is a tragedy that any country in the

world would have to term these people

police officers

mr long do you agree with the justice

department spokesman who characterized

what happened to riva as quote

mistreatment end quote mistreatment

special agent anthony riva was stripped

blindfolded bound tortured with electric

shocks and beaten

it is scandalous that anyone could term

what riva

experienced as mistreatment does the

riva incident suggest a different

strategy for the dea in mexico

no comment

yeah a different strategy to matters in

mexico is about to be adopted

get ready ray the gloves are coming off

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um

is

i got rid of those other people so we

don't have intermediaries taking all the

profits

so now my friends

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hey

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all right get ready

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they're heading for you

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i'm a mile away from you

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you see him he should be there

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good evening sir do you have some

documentation as to your immigration

status

no well then i do believe you have

entered the united states of america

illegally

and we're going to have to take you

downtown to the immigration office for

processing

don't miss an inch i want a perfect

record of the condition he was in when

we got him so he can't claim that he was

tortured or starved

but i was kidnapped compadre

and i've got a very angry lawyer on his

way down here from los angeles who's

going to prove it

we also have grounds for suit against

the united states government

and when we win i'll be sunning myself

in san felipe and you

you'll be out of a job

we didn't tell you about verona because

we

assumed you would disapprove dea has run

roughshod over mexican territorial

rights

there are political ramifications here

you can't just behave like cowboys

now you have a superb future ahead of

your jack

and just as there is life after the dea

so too

there are broader considerations at work

here in our overall relations with

mexico that you should be

sensitive to and that should encourage

you

to ameliorate some of your actions

meaning

i'd have better opportunities after i

leave dea

if i water down my enforcement work

while i'm at the dea

water down no let's just say

apply the concept of being

selective

i'm a law enforcement officer

my agenda is has been and will be to

find

indict and prosecute everyone connected

with kiki camarena's murder and the

cover-up of that murder

i'm not going to stop and don't you ever

call me in here again and try to bribe

me with futures or ask me to do

anything that would impede or dilute

that work

okay my name is abel reynoso i'm an

agent with the

drug enforcement administration we're in

a hotel room in downtown los angeles

the date is october 14th 1987.

time is 17 30. this is a camera check

five four three two one

uh for 25 000

please don't make me look bad we don't

want him to die

before he tells us where the snitches

are

i saw it in the stars i read my

horoscope

everything's gonna be all right now you

check the stars

it's going to take a little bit to to

break them down

now how are you going to do that let's

do some of the stuff that we're going to

need

soda

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sure you could use an extension cord

household current

but the household current is stronger

you don't want him to have a heart

attack before

the right hand victor

how do i know that you're going to do

as good a job as you say you can do

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first thing tonight is that you we saw

on the tape

yes it was can you give us your name and

tell us your occupation

my name is abel reynoso i'm a special

agent

with the drug enforcement administration

that videotape was made in los angeles

california

is the other man who appeared in that

tape in this courtroom

yes he is could you point him out to us

please

that man at the table with the gray suit

black shirt and

striped tie mr victor lopez

in the situation that was secretly tape

recorded who did mr lopez

think you were a major cocaine importer

who brought him up from mexico to

torture and interrogate an informant

inside my organization

how did you meet mr lopez mr victor

lopez

was an officer of the jalisco state

police

at the time of the murder of special

agent enrique

camarena we knew that he was coming to

los angeles to

offer his services as a paid assassin i

arranged a meeting

so

in addition to mr camarena's blood type

and hair

did you find at the crime scene any

other hair that matches

anyone else in this courtroom yes sir we

found hairs that match samples label is

coming from

mr verona from the bathroom at the lopey

to vega house

uh from the rear bedroom where mr

camarino was held

what does this mean for me don't worry

they haven't got a thing on you

you stopped by the house you didn't know

what was going on you didn't kill me

from the drains leading into the main

sewer line from vacuuming the floors and

furniture

thank you

i'm getting gray your hair's not getting

gray

not my hair my skin this food and no sun

maybe i got the burrito you ever been

there

i go to hawaii maui

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hi guys so uh you worried

no of course i'm worried

ramona knows all the players at the top

of the rock he can give us everything if

he flips

what's it gonna take

a guilty verdict and more even if the

court comes back with a single life

sentence that won't be enough

what's single life harley 15 years

he's eligible for parole and eight i

mean this guy's young but he's no virgin

he can do a nickel or a dime standing on

his ear we got a shot at him if

and only if we win the grand prize heavy

duty time in some cold hard place like

mary

ladies and gentlemen of the jury have

you reached a verdict

yes your honor

on the following charges narcotics

trafficking

murder felony murder kidnapping

conspiracy we find the defendant

ramon

does defense have anything to say before

sentence is passed

yes your honor who's he we sincerely

feel that the jury's guilty verdict is

incorrect

evidence is conclusive and undisputed

that when the torture was taking place

your client was at that house and it is

not disputed that hair

his body was found there by fbi forensic

experts and when your client told one

witness

we took care of the problem the court

doesn't interpret that as an idle boost

we wish to emphasize that mr verona is a

devoted family man

and we hope your honor will weigh this

before passing sentence

enrique camarena was also a devoted

family man

judge your honor

you are sentencing an innocent person

that's all i have to say hey mr verona

it's not uncommon for a co-conspirator

to feel that just because he didn't

strike the death bro that he's innocent

but that's not the law and you are a

co-conspirator

the court hereby sentences you ramon

verona

under federal statute 848 of the

criminal enterprise act

to serve 240 years of life in prison

for your involvement in the kidnap

torture and murder of dea agent enrique

camarena

now the bench recommends that you not be

eligible for parole

for at least 60 years

i haven't got much time but i wanted to

tell you first we got a conviction

a long long sentence for ramon verona

he said to us make sure kiki won't be

just a number

i made your promise

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okay everybody listen up listen up

please

now i'm gonna start this off to a press

conference and then come back so order

in some food cause we're gonna be here

for a while

okay the word is gonna be out from

guadalajara to la paz if dorona just

took a heavy fall

that means they got to figure that

sooner or later he's going to give him

up he's looking at 60 years of hard time

in marion

that means that they're likely to pull

out of whatever cover

or hideouts or banking arrangements that

rona knew about and they're going to

make moves

a lot of fish are going to break the

surface so let's be watching

well coach iloco was spotted in the

pause now he may try to make a run back

into mexico off this thing if so where

do you think he's going to show up

kuya khan i don't know harley what do

you think uh well probably mazatlan

because he owns five resort hotels there

and then

okay on the asset side let's stay on the

big money transfers

particularly portago diaz and general

ruiz

it'll be panamanian and cayman island

banks on the interdiction side

they're not going to trust any of the

air routes or drop sites that verona

knew about so check on that

yeah that's right it's a message the

message is if it takes

five years or ten years there are three

thousand

agents in the dea we will never rest

until every person involved in the

abduction

and murder of enrique camarena is

brought to justice

regardless of who it is and regardless

of how long it takes

this is not over we won't stop

oh

dear harley it's hard getting the truth

in little pieces

i hope to know it all someday no matter

how painful

it took a leap of faith for kiki to

become a narcotics agent

growing up pouring calexico he knew

better than most the odds stacked

against him

he had seen the misery that led people

to take drugs

and the desperation that caused them to

smuggle

he knew about cops who took bribes

politicians who made promises

and judges who jailed poor kids and only

scolded rich ones

but kiki believed that one man could

make a difference

and one man has

the black fighting rooster

adios

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that the virgin

forgive your assassins

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that's the way song goes yes that's the

way

well i guess the virgin of our lady of

guadalupe

has infinite mercy don't you

to those of us who are only human

we'll never forgive

salud kiki

salute

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they call them

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forgive your assassins on this day

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be

you