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[Aaron] When I moved to Hoboken
about a dozen years ago, it just
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struck me just how friendly
and how small town it felt.
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So what you see behind me
here is the actual location for
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{\an8}Lily Bloom's flower shop
in the film "It Ends with Us."
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{\an8}A scout reached out to
me and said that they were
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interested in seeing
if it would work for
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an upcoming film.
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So I was going through the
contract, and I was showing
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it to my wife, and
when she read the title,
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"It Ends with Us," she froze.
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She actually picked up
the book off the bookshelf.
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More than three years on
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a New York Times
best-sellers list,
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that's a long time.
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[paparazzi] Can
you turn this way?
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[paparazzi #2]
Justin, right here.
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The movie came out
in the summer of 2024.
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Social media noticed that
Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni
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were not doing
any press together
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for a movie where
they are the co-leads.
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[woman 2] "It Ends with Us."
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[voices overlapping] "It Ends
with Us." "It Ends with Us."
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"It Ends with Us."
"It Ends with Us."
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"It Ends with Us" is
about domestic violence,
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but the message of the film
has been clouded because
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of the scandal around its stars.
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She claims that there was
sexual harassment on set.
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Maybe this guy isn't the
guy that you think he is.
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And then a big jaw-drop moment.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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He claims civil extortion,
defamation, and that all of
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this really is about her
wanting to have control
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of the movie.
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[ID] Is Blake Lively a victim?
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That is the question.
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This is, like, the most
high-school fight that
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people with millions of dollars
can have with each other.
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The longer this goes on,
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the more reputational
damage they will suffer.
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[ID] This isn't just a
fluffy celebrity feud.
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The actual story is, I think,
a lot darker and a lot more
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complex than that.
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{\an8}I work on crisis communication
plans, lifestyle PR,
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{\an8}and strategic public relations.
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But also, I am a huge
Colleen Hoover fan.
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I've read all of her books.
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Every single one,
probably once or twice.
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So, I'm familiar with the
book and was really excited
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for the movie.
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[Sheinelle] It follows Lily Bloom,
who moves to Boston to fulfill
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her dream of
opening a flower shop.
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After a chance encounter
with a neurosurgeon,
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a relationship quickly heats
up between the two of them.
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[Matthew] On TikTok, certain
books go viral, and Colleen Hoover's
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novels, in particular,
"It Ends with Us,"
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became incredibly
popular on there.
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A woman got verbally
and physically abused
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and made it out
on the other end.
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{\an8}The domestic violence aspect
of it is something that really
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{\an8}caught people's because it
covered the serious topic while
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{\an8}still doing it in a way that
felt engaging and accessible.
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And that really gave studio
executives in Hollywood
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a feeling that young people
were interested in the novel,
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and that if they optioned
it, as Justin Baldoni did,
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that it could turn
into something that
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people would show
up at the theaters for.
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[Tia] I'm an actress.
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I worked with Justin Baldoni
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on the set of "Jane the
Virgin" many years ago.
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["Jane the Virgin" narrator] This
seems like a good time to catch up on
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what Rafael has been up to.
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I was actually playing
one of his girlfriends.
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["Jane the Virgin" narrator]
He has, in fact, been having sex.
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Lots and lots of sex, with
a lot of different women.
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He was very down-to-earth,
very considerate.
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He just wanted to make
sure that everything in
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our scene worked.
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[keyboard tapping]
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I started following him on
social media and just kind of
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kept up with everything else
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that he was doing
outside of acting.
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[audience clapping]
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[Emily] Justin
has this platform.
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He did a TED Talk about
debunking toxic masculinity.
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I don't just want
to be a good man,
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I want to be a good human.
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And he started a
podcast, "Man Enough."
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What would the world
look like if our boys
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got to grow up and feel
that men were safe spaces
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and safe places?
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In 2019, when Justin acquired
the rights from Colleen Hoover,
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it was really aligned
with his brand.
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[up-tempo violin music playing]
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The "Ends with Us" story first
hit my radar when Blake Lively
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was cast -- I covered
her casting news.
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She's a household name.
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I understand why you'd want
to go for someone with a pretty
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solid commercial track record.
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The cast for "It Ends
with Us" has officially
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been announced, and I am unwell.
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Lily Bloom is gonna be
played by none other than
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Blake Lively. What?
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[man] Hey, Blake!
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[Emily] This
breakthrough role was
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"Sisterhood of the
Traveling Pants."
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Rule number 11 -- "In the event
of an emergency, the pants will
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automatically go to
the sister in need."
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And she got really
famous with "Gossip Girl."
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She's also known as being
Taylor Swift's best friend,
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and, yeah, of course she's
married to Ryan Reynolds.
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[Green Lantern] Evening, ma'am.
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Blake and Ryan met on
"Green Lantern" and hit it off.
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Now they are the
Hollywood power couple.
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She has a persona
in the public eye
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of being fun and
fashionable and trendy
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and all of the things
that I think most women
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really aspire to be.
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The fact that Justin
Baldoni's name was mentioned
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along with someone
who is a big A-list celebrity,
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also married to an A-lister.
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It makes sense why this
became such big headline news.
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[Aaron] Hoboken being such
a small town, word travels fast.
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When the first day
of shooting arrived,
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people were lining the streets
to catch a glimpse of, you know,
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Hollywood in our small town.
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The crew from L.A.
put layers upon layers of
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wallpaper to age this space,
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and then they would redo
the entire interior once again,
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and this time transforming
it into the flower shop.
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[knocking]
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OK, here we go.
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[laughing]
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-Wow.
-[Allysa] Yeah.
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This doesn't even
look like the same shop.
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At the conclusion,
Justin invited me over.
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He raised his hands up, and
I raised mine to mirror him,
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and it was just a very
special moment to share.
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[car horns honking]
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The film premiered in New
York City on August 6, 2024.
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[paparazzi] Justin, right
here! Justin, right here!
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[crowd] Solo! Solo!
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-[overlapping voices shouting]
-[paparazzi] Justin, right here!
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Things felt like they
were off at the premiere.
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Social media noticed
that Blake Lively
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and Justin Baldoni were
not doing any press together.
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What is going on with
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{\an8}Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni?
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{\an8}Have you heard anything
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{\an8}about the rift happening
behind the scenes?
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{\an8}For a movie where
they are the co-leads,
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{\an8}that is highly unusual.
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[Matthew] There seemed to
be this sort of tension around it,
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but nobody could
quite put their finger on
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what to make of it yet.
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We do have "It Starts with Us,"
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so I'm hoping to see you
back in the double-duty role.
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When Justin was
asked about the sequel,
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it was kind of surprising.
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I think there are better
people for that one.
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I think Blake Lively's ready
to direct, that's what I think.
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He definitely alluded to
him not taking on the role
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of director, but maybe alluding
to Blake should do it next time,
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which was a little strange.
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I mean, at that point, that's
where the rumor mill starts.
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[paparazzi] Ladies,
together this way.
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Ladies, together,
this way over here.
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I saw rumblings on social media
hypothesizing that there had
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been some kind of falling out
on set, because people noticed
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that essentially all of
the cast had unfollowed
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Justin Baldoni.
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[indistinct chatter]
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One headline said
that Justin Baldoni was
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banished to the basement.
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He wasn't even allowed
to be seen on the red carpet
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with Blake and with
the rest of his co-stars.
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And he and his family
actually had to watch it
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in a separate location.
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He said, "I wasn't
allowed to be seen.
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"She didn't want me anywhere
near her or the rest of the cast.
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"So they ushered me off
the carpet and sent us down
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to the basement."
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There are countless feuds
in Hollywood between actors,
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between directors and stars.
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It's very rare at a premiere
for them not to, you know,
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at least look like
they're buddy-buddy.
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"It Ends with Us" was a
financially successful movie.
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It made way more than it cost
to film and market the movie,
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and there was also a lot of
hope that the very important
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topic of domestic
violence would be
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resonating with the masses.
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That was it.
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The story began in
the summer of 2024,
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and it was nonstop after that.
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{\an8}During the entire promotion
of this film, Blake Lively
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{\an8}hasn't been seen with Justin,
the main actor and director.
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{\an8}But of course, fans are
theorizing, as fans do.
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[Emily] And boom,
you have a feud.
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There was serious beef
between Baldoni and Lively.
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The treating of this
as just kind of a fluffy
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celebrity feud --
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the actual story is, I think,
a lot darker and a lot more
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complex than that.
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I had been covering
celebrities across three decades,
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and I had not seen
a story this big...
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period.
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[overlapping voices] Blake,
right here. Blake, right here.
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[Perez] At the time of the release
of "It Ends with Us," Blake Lively
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{\an8}was getting a lot of negative
feedback on social media.
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{\an8}Director, we didn't have
one of those for this movie.
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{\an8}[Perez] It seemed like
everything she was saying
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{\an8}was rubbing social
media the wrong way.
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{\an8}Look at me in
flowers, Lily Bloom.
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{\an8}It's neoprene.
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{\an8}There were so many strange
memes right after and videos
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{\an3}about, like, kind of
being difficult to work with.
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{\an3}[woman 2] Congrats
on the premiere.
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{\an3}And congrats on
being a fat bitch.
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{\an3}This, I think, really launched
this "mean girl" energy.
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{\an3}People were making a
big deal of her promoting
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all of her businesses.
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-I'll start here.
-OK.
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And it's dry shampoo,
but really, you know,
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it smells amazing.
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{\an3}[Perez] While shying away from
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{\an3}the very important topic
of domestic violence.
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{\an3}[reporter] What has been the best
part in making this particular movie?
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{\an3}I've noticed so many
beautiful crystals on teeth.
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{\an3}Is that a big fashion thing?
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[TikToker] Using a movie about
domestic violence to sell stuff?
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It's not a good look.
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She was full of
giggles and laughter,
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and, oh, wanted to
promote her liquor brand.
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Like nothing says
domestic violence
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like a bottle of tequila. What?
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[Natasha] On social
media especially,
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there was criticism of the
way that she would kind of be
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perhaps a little bit
lighthearted during
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certain interviews.
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There was an interview
with a journalist that portrayed
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Blake to be a mean girl.
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She was quoted as saying it
was the worst interview she's ever
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given in her career.
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[Kjersti] I'm an
entertainment reporter.
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I'm originally from Norway,
but I've been living in the US
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for 20 years.
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I watched the movie,
and it reminded me of that
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interview I'd had with her.
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First of all, congrats
on your little bump.
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At the time of her interview,
Blake Lively had confirmed
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her pregnancy, so
it wasn't speculation.
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It was just, "Congratulations."
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Congrats on your little bump.
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I still don't understand what
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triggered Blake Lively.
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That journalist was just
trying to break the ice.
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What about my bump?
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Kjersti ends up saying it was
the worst interview of all time.
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There's footage and
clips of this interview
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that are so tense.
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Did you guys love wearing
those kind of clothes that you --
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-Yeah.
-Yeah.
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-And, you know, working in digital
-- -Everyone wants to talk about
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the clothes, but I wonder
if they would ask the men
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about the clothes.
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I would.
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[Kjersti] I thought, OK,
this is not going well.
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And from there on,
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they just basically ignored me.
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I love Jesse's suits and hat.
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-That's what I'm saying. His wardrobe was beautiful.
-Oh, I know.
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{\an8}This Kjersti Flaa interview
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{\an8}had never been
shared publicly before.
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{\an8}That's why it went super viral.
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{\an8}[gasps] Mic drop.
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{\an8}Mic drop -- does not even
look at the interviewer.
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{\an8}It is so pointed.
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{\an8}It got a ton of attention,
and it definitely did not help
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{\an8}Blake Lively.
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On December 20th, Blake
Lively files a complaint.
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It broke headlines.
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[reporter] Blake Lively
shocking Hollywood
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with a new explosive
legal complaint...
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about what she says was
happening behind the scenes
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of her film "It Ends with Us."
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{\an8}Actress Blake Lively
accusing "It Ends with Us"
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{\an8}co-star and director
Justin Baldoni
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{\an8}of sexual harassment.
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{\an8}According to Blake
Lively, back in May of 2023,
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{\an8}things happened with
Justin Baldoni that made
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{\an8}her feel uncomfortable, and
she says that she reported it.
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[Natasha] There was a meeting
where they agreed upon a document of
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protocol that should
be enforced on set,
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that Blake says is directly
in reference to concerns that
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she had raised.
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It is very specific.
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Blake Lively says
she included items
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that she and Wayfarer
Studios and Justin Baldoni
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all agreed in a
production meeting.
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They're really specific
items that allude to verbal
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or physical sexual
conduct that occurred.
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She says that Justin
would repeatedly walk into
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her trailer unannounced while
she was by the breastfeeding,
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pumping, or in a
state of undress.
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She alleged the intimate
scenes would be improvised
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and done over and over again,
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more than was typically
required on such a set.
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These items seem to fit
under sexual harassment.
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And when they go back to
recording, Blake Lively says,
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"I don't want these
things to happen again."
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Basically, "This was
making me uncomfortable."
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[Natasha] It repeatedly
says the phrase, "No more."
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"No more" doing
this kind of behavior.
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There was actually a
signed agreement between
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the parties not to
have it continued.
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How could you not agree?
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I mean, it's so obvious
that you cannot do that
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in a workplace.
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Something that was
upsetting to me is that this is
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one of the few
very popular movies
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that deals with
domestic violence.
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What are you doing? Stop.
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Stop. What are you doing?
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-Sh, sh, sh.
-What are you doing? Stop -- stop.
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[Natasha] It's the
core plot point.
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To have these allegations
saying one of the major
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creative forces behind
this was actually engaging in
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misogynistic content
himself, it's pretty upsetting.
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{\an8}[Matthew] What made part of
these allegations so shocking was
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{\an8}that Justin Baldoni has a
podcast where he talks about
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{\an8}how men can be allies to women
and how men can be better in
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{\an8}their relationships to women.
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{\an8}If you know the film and you've
been following along and read
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{\an8}the book, how could he do this?
I mean, how could he do this?
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{\an8}Several of the key players
involved in the making of
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{\an8}"It Ends with Us,"
Colleen Hoover
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{\an8}to one of the lead actors
in it, Brandon Sklenar,
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{\an8}have all come out
publicly supporting
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{\an8}Blake Lively.
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Brandon Sklenar shared
a post directing people
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to read her complaint,
including a little heart emoji
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and tagging Blake Lively.
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I saw social media
sentiment shift more in favor
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of Blake than it
had been, certainly.
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{\an8}You know, if you read the
complaint, I think she had
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{\an8}very valid reasons why
she wouldn't want to show up
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{\an8}to work in an
environment like that.
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{\an8}She's not doing
this because it's fun
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{\an8}or it's gonna get her anything.
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{\an8}She's doing this
probably because she has
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{\an8}daughters at home and
feels the need to stand up
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{\an8}for what she went through.
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[Emily] Literally, a day after,
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you see this complaint come out.
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The New York Times
rolls out the big headline.
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My initial response to the
explosive New York Times
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article was shock.
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[Matthew] This New York Times
article comes out that alleges this
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whole campaign was orchestrated
against her by Justin and his
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PR team to make her
seem like a bad person.
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The New York Times reported
Blake Lively, in her complaint,
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says that Justin Baldoni hired
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not only his PR
person Jennifer Abel,
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but a crisis management
person, Melissa Nathan,
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to orchestrate a smear
campaign against her.
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[Matthew] There
were comments saying,
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"We're gonna bury Blake Lively."
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[keyboard tapping]
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[Natasha] The second part of
her suit alleges that at least part of
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the negativity that we saw
that summer towards her
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was orchestrated by people
working with Justin Baldoni
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to be able to cover their
tracks should she come public
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about experiencing
alleged sexual misconduct.
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[Emily] If this happened,
really, they did a genius job
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on the front end of building
up this database of unsavory
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narrative towards Blake.
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[Matthew] The PR dark
arts were getting exposed.
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Something that's always
been behind the curtains,
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something that you don't
really see, but you understand
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is happening.
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[Perez] Just the sheer volume of
allegations that she was making
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against him, I thought,
"Wow, wow, I -- I feel
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so bad for her."
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You can be one of the
most wealthy and successful
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people in your industry
and still face alleged
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retaliation for speaking
up, for making allegations
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of sexual misconduct, I
think it's extremely alarming.
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[Emily] So, like, maybe she
can be a mean girl sometimes,
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but when it comes to this film,
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what is going on
with this Justin guy?
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So, all of a sudden, she
had some public favor.
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Everybody was sympathetic
towards Blake Lively,
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and then things shifted.
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That New York Times story was
so damning that it made it seem
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like there was no
way that Justin Baldoni
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could come back from this.
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[Kjersti] Then, all of a
sudden, Justin Baldoni then files
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a libel lawsuit against
The New York Times
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for $250 million.
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[Perez] The thing that really
shook me was his lawsuit included
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texts and emails
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between Justin Baldoni
and Melissa Nathan
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to show they were not
planting stories in the media
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about Blake Lively.
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According to Baldoni,
the New York Times edited
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conversations and
didn't give us full context,
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and they didn't give
him and his lawyers
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enough time to respond.
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But it's not the
New York Times' job
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to give all sides of the story.
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You might not like that,
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but that doesn't open
them up to liability.
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Under US defamation law,
Justin Baldoni has the burden
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to prove that the New York Times
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lied or knowingly lied,
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and that what they
were saying was false.
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A quick defense is,
"Let's go after the journalist
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{\an8}or the outlet
that did me dirty."
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{\an8}That's a quick way to
get it out in the public.
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{\an8}[Natasha] I think if you choose
to go with Blake Lively's claims,
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{\an8}which I will say in general,
I think are credible, this is
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{\an8}a story of a man who
abused his power on set
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{\an8}and alleges that there
was a smear campaign
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{\an8}orchestrated by people
working with Justin Baldoni.
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{\an8}[Perez] I believe victims
should be believed.
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{\an8}However, is Blake
Lively a victim?
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{\an8}That is the question.
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[Emily] And then, all of a sudden,
after suing the New York Times,
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Justin countersues
Blake for $400 million.
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I mean, this is a big
jaw-drop moment.
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$250 million, $400 million,
these are shock numbers.
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These are there
to gain attention.
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He's saying that she made a
false sexual harassment claim.
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Unlike any case
that I've handled
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in my entire career,
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it's the one case we're gonna
put every single text message,
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every single document,
everything on a website.
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Hundreds of pages
of legal allegations,
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text messages, photos.
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You have the timeline of events.
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So much information.
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Let me tell you,
the internet sleuths,
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{\an3}everybody was going after what
was in that 168-page document.
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{\an3}Justin Baldoni's legal team
have just launched a website.
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{\an3}Justin promised
us all the receipts,
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{\an3}and he came through.
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{\an3}He countered her,
point by point, saying,
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{\an3}"She claimed
this, but in reality,
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{\an3}here's what truly happened."
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And one of the examples
he gives is that Blake Lively
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herself invited
him into the trailer
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while she was breastfeeding.
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And then later on,
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she uses that as a basis for
something he's done wrong.
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Blake Lively alleges that a
senior member of the studio
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showed her a nude video
of his wife giving birth.
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They allege, rather, that,
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"No, she asked
to see the footage."
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Blake Lively is
accusing Justin Baldoni
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of asking her
trainer for her weight.
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So she said that
that was fat shaming.
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He says he has a back problem,
and there was a scene where
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he needed to lift her.
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[Dina] His argument isn't really
that those items didn't happen.
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He just is saying that
there's a different perspective,
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that they were really
more consensual.
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Both sides absolutely
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want to get their
perspective out.
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[Perez] Amongst many
allegations that Blake Lively made,
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she said that Justin Baldoni
did not stick to what they had
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agreed upon when
filming intimate moments,
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specifically in that
infamous dance sequence.
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So what did Justin Baldoni do?
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His lawyer released
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10-plus minutes
of unedited footage
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that let the public see
and decide for themselves
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{\an8}what they were looking at.
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{\an8}[crew] Ryan, go to the
bar. Ryan, go to the bar.
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{\an8}Justin Baldoni released
the footage to try
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{\an8}and make the case that
he did nothing wrong.
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{\an8}You know, for a lot of people
it did seemingly vindicate him.
481
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:04,220
{\an8}One of the "slam dunks" that
Baldoni's team suggests is,
482
00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:06,580
"Well, we had an
intimacy coordinator,
483
00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:08,380
and you didn't want
to meet with her."
484
00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:10,880
And text messages
show, at least,
485
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,680
that Blake did not meet
with the intimacy coordinator
486
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,020
before shooting started.
487
00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:18,620
But in her original document,
488
00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:20,680
she asks for an
intimacy coordinator
489
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,220
to be on set at all times
490
00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:24,680
whenever she's
filming with Baldoni.
491
00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:32,620
[Mia] I'm an intimacy coordinator
for TV, film, and theater.
492
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:37,280
{\an8}The role of intimacy
coordinator, um, is still
493
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,780
{\an8}relatively new in TV and film,
and there are certain standards
494
00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:48,280
{\an8}and protocols that we adhere
to shooting, uh, simulated sex
495
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:51,680
{\an8}and nude scenes, doing our
best to help the director achieve
496
00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:54,720
their vision while staying
within the actor's comfort.
497
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,020
In my experience,
when an actor says,
498
00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:02,220
"I don't need to meet the intimacy
coordinator until we're shooting,"
499
00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:06,180
it does typically indicate that
they trust their scene partner,
500
00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:08,120
which is a beautiful thing.
501
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,280
And those texts made me think
that at one point, she did feel
502
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,980
a lot of trust with him.
503
00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:17,280
Blake's team then
comes in and says,
504
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,420
"Oh no, this is exactly
what we're talking about.
505
00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:20,880
{\an8}She's uncomfortable."
506
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,180
{\an8}[crew person] Ryan, go to
the bar. Ryan, go to the bar.
507
00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:37,380
{\an8}In the script for that
scene, the description is,
508
00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:41,280
{\an8}"They slow dance,
lost in their own world."
509
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:46,820
{\an8}No mention of a kiss,
no mention of any kind of
510
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:50,780
sexual touch or intimate touch
beyond an embrace, maybe?
511
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:53,380
Blake Lively alleged
that he would do
512
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:58,280
unapproved movements
and -- and contact and kissing
513
00:27:58,450 --> 00:28:00,080
and smelling her neck.
514
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:15,020
[Mia] Blake says that there wasn't
an intimacy coordinator present
515
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,080
for certain intimate scenes.
516
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:22,580
From what I've heard, it seems
like there were scenes that
517
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:26,920
did not have intimacy written,
but then intimacy was added.
518
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,680
That video of the slow dance
is a perfect example of that.
519
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:35,320
[Dina] The dance scene, both
sides think it's great for them.
520
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,580
So when this goes to trial,
that video will for sure be
521
00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:42,620
shown in front of a jury,
and you'll hear two completely
522
00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:45,580
different perspectives
on what that video is.
523
00:28:48,020 --> 00:28:51,320
But Justin Baldoni said,
"Had Lively chosen to merely
524
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,920
"write out the self-inflicted
press catastrophe she faced in
525
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680
"August of 2024, the
public would likely have
526
00:28:57,850 --> 00:29:00,180
"moved on and never
known the truth about her.
527
00:29:00,350 --> 00:29:02,820
"They would have never
known that she deliberately
528
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:05,880
"and systematically robbed
plaintiffs Justin Baldoni
529
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,380
and Wayfarer
Studios of their movie."
530
00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:19,220
Justin Baldoni says in
his counterclaim that,
531
00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:22,180
"Almost immediately,
Lively began inserting herself
532
00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:25,620
"into the production process
in intrusive ways well beyond
533
00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:28,480
the scope of her
contractual entitlement."
534
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Basically, he's saying,
her saying that she needed
535
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,380
creative control over the
project and threatening to
536
00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:36,680
{\an8}walk out if she didn't
get that creative control
537
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,880
{\an8}amounted to extortion.
538
00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:41,480
{\an8}There's this one now very, um,
539
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,880
{\an8}viral video of her appearance
at a Forbes summit,
540
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:49,480
where she was talking
about demanding and wanting
541
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:53,020
and needing control of
every aspect of movie making.
542
00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:55,920
[Blake] I wanted to be a part
of the storytelling, that I wanted
543
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,520
to be a part of the narrative,
whether that be in the writing,
544
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,020
in the costume design,
in creating the character.
545
00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:03,180
I actually need to have
authorship in order to
546
00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:04,220
feel fulfilled.
547
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:07,680
There is a core scene
in the movie, it's when
548
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:10,520
Ryle and Lily meet
for the first time.
549
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,120
I once read that
550
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,020
maraschino cherries
stay in your stomach
551
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:15,920
for like seven years.
552
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,080
[Natasha] It takes place on a
rooftop, it's a very pivotal scene,
553
00:30:20,020 --> 00:30:22,220
and Blake has said
that Ryan Reynolds
554
00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:24,920
wrote at least
some of this scene.
555
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,980
The iconic rooftop scene in
this movie, my husband actually
556
00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:29,180
wrote it, nobody
knows that, but you now.
557
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:31,380
He's all over this film.
558
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,480
In Justin's lawsuit, he
alleges that there was
559
00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:38,880
a meeting in Blake
Lively and Ryan Reynolds'
560
00:30:39,050 --> 00:30:41,220
New York City penthouse,
561
00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:47,880
where he felt pressured by both
Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift
562
00:30:48,050 --> 00:30:51,780
to acquiesce to some of
the changes that Blake Lively
563
00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:54,220
had wanted to
make to the script.
564
00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:57,080
[Matthew] He felt that Blake
Lively and Ryan Reynolds were
565
00:30:57,250 --> 00:31:00,220
coming in to try to create
their own version of the film.
566
00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:01,880
-[paparazzi chatting]
-[camera shutters snapping]
567
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,520
[Kjersti] Most of us reacted
very strongly to the text message
568
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,120
that Blake had sent to
Justin Baldoni, explaining that
569
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,780
she's Khaleesi from
"Game of Thrones,"
570
00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,780
and she has dragons.
571
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:19,020
It wasn't in the message
who her dragons were.
572
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:23,120
To me, it was like, obvious
that it was Ryan Reynolds
573
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880
and Taylor Swift
she was referring to.
574
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,880
So, by saying that, it was like
575
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,420
a nicely put little
"threat," I would say.
576
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:34,580
I find it interesting that
Blake is both framed
577
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:38,180
as this incredibly powerful
person who, you know,
578
00:31:38,350 --> 00:31:40,520
can use Taylor Swift and
everyone in her arsenal
579
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,420
to do whatever she wants,
but also she needs to rely on
580
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:47,920
manipulating sexual harassment
in order to get her way.
581
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:59,180
Hey, Blake, it is, uh,
582
00:31:59,350 --> 00:32:00,920
{\an8}two in the morning, um,
583
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,780
{\an8}hopefully this does
not wake you up.
584
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:07,980
{\an8}So Justin Baldoni releases this
voicemail that he leaves 2 a.m.
585
00:32:08,150 --> 00:32:10,520
{\an8}to Blake Lively, apologizing.
586
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,580
{\an8}I'm really sorry, um, I
-- I for sure fell short.
587
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:18,880
{\an8}It's, you know, he's showing
some level of understanding,
588
00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:20,080
{\an8}but it's also, you know,
589
00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:21,320
{\an8}he's admitting
some level of fault.
590
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,280
So it's kind of, you know,
one of those things that
591
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,320
you can spin it either way.
592
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,720
And damn right,
you got great friends.
593
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,320
We should all have friends
like that, aside from the fact that
594
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,020
they're two of the most
creative people on the planet.
595
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:36,320
What I mainly got from the
message was that he was
596
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,580
really desperately
trying to please Blake.
597
00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:42,480
He was like, "Whatever
you say, I'll do."
598
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120
I'm sorry. [laughing]
599
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,980
You probably have kids all over
you and a baby on your boob,
600
00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:50,180
and you're listening to me
ramble at two in the morning.
601
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:51,680
It's 2 a.m. in the morning.
602
00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:53,580
There were definitely
people who thought
603
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:54,780
it was a little creepy.
604
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:56,520
There's others who say,
605
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280
"Hey, she texted
him right before.
606
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,380
This was a
justified voice call."
607
00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:05,080
But, as a lawyer, I think,
why release something that
608
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:07,820
does -- it is a little
questionable of whether or not
609
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:09,520
that's appropriate
in a workplace.
610
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:18,480
Baldoni is claiming that
Blake Lively threatening that if
611
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:21,180
she doesn't get the edit,
she's not going to maybe
612
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:22,580
appear at the premiere.
613
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:24,120
He was basically giving over
614
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,480
his creative
control of the film.
615
00:33:26,650 --> 00:33:29,880
I believe that Sony,
the film's distributor
616
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:33,420
and major financer,
they were scared,
617
00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:35,480
in my opinion, of Blake Lively.
618
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:36,780
[paparazzi chatting]
619
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:40,480
The bigger star tends
to get backed because
620
00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:41,650
at the end of the day,
621
00:33:41,650 --> 00:33:44,020
the studio wants this
to make a lot of money,
622
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:47,920
and the bigger star is gonna
draw a bigger audience.
623
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:52,620
If she took complete
editorial control of the film,
624
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:54,180
that's not a crime.
625
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,420
Who's to say that Baldoni's
version was inherently better?
626
00:33:59,780 --> 00:34:06,180
I wonder why we're not framing
this as a woman potentially
627
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:08,880
experiencing misconduct
on set, as she's alleged,
628
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:12,720
taking part in a movie that
we know she cares about,
629
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,780
and then...
630
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:16,680
making editorial decisions
631
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,680
that are ultimately
for the best of it.
632
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,820
[Matthew] In the end, Blake
Lively kind of emerged victorious,
633
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:25,280
because what ended up getting
shown was the rooftop scene
634
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,920
that Ryan Reynolds wrote,
and a lot of, you know,
635
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,780
her cut we ended
up seeing in theaters.
636
00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:32,820
[paparazzi yelling] Ryan!
637
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:34,880
As "It Ends with
Us" is coming out,
638
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,680
"Deadpool & Wolverine"
also comes out.
639
00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:39,720
We see a lot of cross-promotion
and a lot of Blake and Ryan
640
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,780
in the news together.
641
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:43,580
Within "Deadpool & Wolverine,"
642
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:45,780
there's a character
called "Nicepool."
643
00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:49,020
And where in God's name
is the intimacy coordinator?
644
00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:51,380
Bryan Freedman,
Baldoni's lawyer,
645
00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:55,520
issues a letter to Disney
saying that this character
646
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,420
is clearly making fun of Justin.
647
00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:59,120
Who are you?
648
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,180
Oh, I'm Deadpool, but in here,
everybody calls me Nicepool.
649
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:06,780
Nicepool has a man
bun, like Justin Baldoni,
650
00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:09,080
and he makes
651
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:12,380
references to Lady Deadpool,
who was voiced by Blake.
652
00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:14,520
[Lady Deadpool] Oh,
we're just getting started.
653
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,280
He even talks about
Ladypool's body
654
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:19,880
after just giving birth.
655
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,380
Oh my goodness, wait
till you see Ladypool.
656
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:22,550
She is gorgeous.
657
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:24,780
She just had a baby too,
and... [blows air through lips]
658
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:27,280
-Can't even tell.
-I don't think you're supposed to say that.
659
00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:28,880
That's OK.
660
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,780
-I identify as a feminist.
-Right.
661
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:34,380
Here I am, doing my
part, trying to be a feminist.
662
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:38,380
There's so many parallels to
what happened in the real world
663
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,120
on the set of "It Ends with Us."
664
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:47,480
As part of the lawyer's
assessment of this,
665
00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:49,880
he points to the fact,
"Well, Lively clearly couldn't
666
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:52,620
"have undergone something as
serious as sexual harassment if
667
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:54,580
they're making
fun of it in a movie."
668
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:56,180
I don't think that's the case.
669
00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:59,520
I think people cope with
many things with humor.
670
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,880
{\an8}All of a sudden...
671
00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:04,380
{\an8}we're yo-yoed back to,
672
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,380
{\an8}"Wow, maybe this is like
the most high-school fight that
673
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:13,780
{\an8}"we're ever privy to that
people with millions of dollars
674
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:15,320
can do with each other."
675
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Maybe they're both wrong.
676
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,020
{\an3}A trial date has been set for
Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni
677
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:38,320
{\an3}to battle it out in court.
678
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,880
{\an3}We now have a date, but
it is not until March of 2026.
679
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:46,980
{\an3}As of now, Blake Lively
has promised to bring forward
680
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:48,980
two more women
from "It Ends with Us"
681
00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:52,880
who say that Justin
Baldoni mistreated her
682
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,080
and mistreated them on set.
683
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:56,380
And if that comes to fruition,
that would be a big deal
684
00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:57,650
for the case.
685
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,380
[Dina] My professional opinion,
Blake Lively has a stronger
686
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:05,320
case because all of
Justin Baldoni's arguments
687
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,780
about fame and
control don't really refute
688
00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:11,020
her claim of sexual harassment.
689
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,620
Those allegations,
the improvising of
690
00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:17,920
the kissing, the showing,
describing his genitalia,
691
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,520
talking about pornography,
regardless of where
692
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,280
your workplace is, those seem
to be pretty strong basis for
693
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:26,020
a claim of sexual harassment.
694
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,080
[Perez] Even though it seems like
a lot of social media is supporting
695
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:34,120
Justin Baldoni, the
longer this goes on,
696
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,020
the more reputational
damage they will both suffer.
697
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,680
You've gotta consider
that Justin Baldoni
698
00:37:42,850 --> 00:37:44,580
might be the problem.
699
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:47,220
{\an3}[Matthew] The social media
algorithms portion of this is really
700
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:50,780
{\an3}interesting, because you get
fed something very personal.
701
00:37:50,780 --> 00:37:55,120
{\an3}What she is accusing him of is
so harsh and so disrespectful.
702
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,720
{\an3}If you are getting fed a lot
of things about Justin Baldoni
703
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,020
being a good guy, you're
gonna keep getting fed that.
704
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:04,580
{\an8}The same goes for people
that are on Blake Lively's side.
705
00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:08,280
{\an8}Who wants to trust a man
who's made his entire brand
706
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520
{\an8}all about being a champion
for the voices of women?
707
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:14,720
{\an8}[Matthew] These algorithms split
people apart, and you're never really
708
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,880
gonna get the other
side of the narrative.
709
00:38:17,050 --> 00:38:18,980
At this point, it's
kind of like a mutually
710
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:20,220
assured destruction.
711
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:22,480
[audience clapping]
712
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:26,580
[SNL announcer] Ladies and
gentlemen, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
713
00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:29,680
Even at the "Saturday Night
Live" 50th anniversary special,
714
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,020
Ryan Reynolds made a
little passing remark to it,
715
00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:33,420
a little joke about it.
716
00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:34,920
[Tina] Ryan Reynolds,
how's it going?
717
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,220
Great -- why? What
have you heard?
718
00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:38,820
[laughing]
719
00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:40,580
[Matthew] People
immediately understood,
720
00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:42,180
they're still in
the thick of this.
721
00:38:42,350 --> 00:38:45,920
This is still something
that is going on.
722
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,480
From a PR standpoint,
both of them are gonna have
723
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,320
a hard time getting the
mud off of their reputation.
724
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,380
They're both going
to have to do some
725
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:05,020
work with great professionals,
hopefully, that are gonna
726
00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:07,380
lead them down the path,
outside of the courtroom,
727
00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:11,880
building back the
trust of their fans.
728
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,120
I believe for Blake, she
needs to be vulnerable.
729
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,820
She needs to have a moment
where she's a mom of four.
730
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:24,280
We want to be connected
to her and empathize.
731
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,680
Like, what woman hasn't been
uncomfortable in a workplace?
732
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,280
That's a common situation,
and we want to support her.
733
00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:34,580
For Justin, you know,
he has this platform of
734
00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:36,820
debunking toxic masculinity.
735
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:41,420
He needs to also, "Hey, tail
between my legs here, guys.
736
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:43,680
I -- I could have done better."
737
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,720
That's a relatable moment.
738
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,880
[Matthew] The irony of this
whole thing is that the movie that
739
00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:50,780
the movie was such
a huge success.
740
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:54,680
And to have all this scandal
around it is kind of sad,
741
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680
because it really was
a big win for Hollywood.
742
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,080
I mean, if you're Colleen
Hoover, you have to be
743
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:01,720
kind of fed up with it.
744
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,480
[Perez] Author Colleen
Hoover, who wrote the novel
745
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,580
"It Ends with Us," wiped all
of her photos with Blake Lively
746
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:13,620
and Justin Baldoni,
but she still follows
747
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,980
Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds
748
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:19,120
and is not following
Justin Baldoni.
749
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:23,720
So, interpret that as you will.
750
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:30,180
[Aaron] The saddest thing about
this is the message of this movie
751
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:34,720
is taking second place
to this conversation about
752
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,480
what happened on set.
753
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,620
The biggest loss here is this
incredible film that so many
754
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:44,720
people were really excited
about and a topic that really
755
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,050
needs to be
addressed in Hollywood.
756
00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:49,680
{\an8}At this point, this is
basically like the unraveling
757
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,950
{\an8}of a family feud.
758
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,620
{\an8}In terms of winners and losers,
there really are no winners.
759
00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:55,050
{\an8}It's all losers.
760
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:58,880
{\an8}[Dina] The bigger loser here
is victims of domestic violence.
761
00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:01,120
{\an8}This movie was about
domestic violence.
762
00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:07,120
{\an8}And nobody's talking
about domestic violence.
763
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,120
{\an8}The other sad thing is
that there is an allegation of
764
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,680
{\an8}sexual harassment on
a domestic violence set,
765
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520
{\an8}and the whole public
seems to have decided
766
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,020
{\an8}whether or not that's true
767
00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:20,020
{\an8}long before the evidence has
even been introduced at trial.63852
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