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There's so many families
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who go through a situation
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where their loved oneisn't found
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or there's no answers,
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and they never find out.
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I couldn't let that happen.
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We watched second-by-second, minute-by-minute, hour-by-hour.
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We couldn't affordto miss anything.
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You might miss thatcrucial piece of evidence.
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That could be the differencebetween justice and injustice.
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One lie can spread so quickly.
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We had to find the truth.
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Grace was travelling the world
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after graduatingfrom universityearlier this year.
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Grace was on her big O-E,
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first stop, South America,
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where she joineda trekking group,
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then on to New Zealand.
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She was excited about her gap year away,
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looking forward to her triparound the world,
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and she was planning to be back for a family wedding
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in June this year.
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An outgoing,gregarious character,
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she got along with everyone.
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What you saw is whatyou got with her.
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Grace was in regular contactwith the familywhile on her travels.
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The last message they received,
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she sent a photographof Christmas treeat the Sky Tower.
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Police in New Zealandare continuing to search
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for a missingBritish backpacker.
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It was GraceMillane's 22nd birthday...
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Has not beenin contact with her family
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since 1st December.Concerns are growing...
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Police inAuckland have been trying...
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Her family say she never returned
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to the backpacker's hostelwhere she...
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Her family filed
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a missing persons reportyesterday.
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The questionof what happened
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to Grace Millane...
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Just hours beforeher 22nd birthday,
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her family in Essex...
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Speaking on TV networks in New Zealand,
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desperate for newsof her whereabouts.
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We raised ourconcerns on Monday,3rd December.
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We phoned the police and the embassy in New Zealand,
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and "We just urge you toplease... to bring my sisterhome."
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We all sent the usual "Happy birthday" and "Best wishes"
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and "Hope you're havinga good time."
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We woke up Monday,
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we've noticed thatnothing had been replied,
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and maybe it justslipped her mind.
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And then when it gotround to Tuesday,
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alarm bells were ringing.
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We get missing personscomplaints every day.
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It's just that when you lookat this particular case,
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an overseas tourist,here by herself,
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and on her birthday,she hadn't contacted anybody,
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and nobody had been ableto contact her,
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she'd gone off the radar.
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In New Zealand, you couldgo over to one of the islands
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and be out of phone contact.
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You know, you hope thatthat's what the case was.
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So we had to doa initial background.
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We had to work out whereshe had been staying,
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look at her social mediaprofile
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and then,sort of, through the night,
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contact the family and geta lot more detail about her.
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She was obviously a happy,outgoing, lovely girl
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from a really caringand close-knit family,
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and you could telltheir concern for her.
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We know that Grace was reallyactive on her social media,
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Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,and then suddenly it stopped
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♪I was born too late♪
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♪In a world that doesn't care♪
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♪ Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair♪♪
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Any freeunits around Pitt and K Roadthat could assist?
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Probably.We're coming from the bottomof Queen Street.
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I knew the mediawould be big,
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and it was importantto get a team in place
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and particularlyin Auckland City
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where there was so much CCTV,
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you need a big team,'cos you've got to secure it,
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collect it,
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bring it in, view it,
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and then, of course,we were still looking into
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the background of Grace,the victimology.
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Oh, look, it's important if people think that they've seen Grace
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that they contact us.
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I know a lot of those will be
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unconfirmed sightings,
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but it's important thatwe know,
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'cos it could fit into
a jigsaw puzzle,
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and that could be
one piece of the jigsaw.
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It's New Zealand.Things like that don't happen.
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No one's used to an overseastourist going missing here
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unless they're going hiking.
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In which case, they can oftengo missing for a few days
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in the mountains because theydidn't reach the hut on time.
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But in a city, no.That doesn't happen.
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What we do know is that she had spent some time
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up in the Bay of Islands.
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You know, she's doing her OE,
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so she's going to go tothe tourist destinations,
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and we believethat she's bookedfurther travel in New Zealand
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coming up in the next few days.
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Our last confirmed sighting was
on Saturday, 1st December
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at around 7:15 pm
near SkyCity.
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At the time,
she was wearing a black dress
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with some white,
possibly Converse shoes.
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From where she went there,we don't know,
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but obviously, that's partof our ongoing investigation.
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Is she onher own when she leaves?
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At this stage, we believe so,
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but we're just keepingan open mind about that.
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The first place thatwe started looking for CCTV
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was the Base Backpackers.
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That's where Gracehad been staying,
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so that's where we hadto start.
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Well, the first thingthat you have is you have
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the Facebook nameof Jesse Shane.
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He was the last personto have commented,
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and so we neededto contact him, speak to him
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and find out if he wasthe man on the CCTV.
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So one of the staff hadmessaged him and just said,
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"We're looking to find Grace.Can you contact us?"
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On the Thursday morning,he makes contact.
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He says, "Yep, I met her.Tinder date. I can't talk now.
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I'll come into the police station
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after I've finished work."
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His full name wasJesse Shane Kempson.
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That police stationhas since shut down,
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but I can remember the roomsand almost every detail
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of most of the casesinvestigated there...
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especially this one.
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Today's date is,it's Thursday the 6thof December.
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- Just written downyour details. - Yep.
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That's in relation
to the young lady, Grace Millane.
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- Yep.
- That right?
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- Yep.
- And...
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That's her there?
You recognize her? - Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, so that's Grace.
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She was 22
on the 2nd of December.
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Just had her birthday.
Did you know that?
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Yes, so we talked about that.
Yes.
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Okay. Tell us about Grace.
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So, I was talking to Grace
on Tinder.
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Yeah.
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Um, we'd matched on Friday.
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I saw that we'd matched
the next day on the Saturday...
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and then...
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I saw a message
from her saying, "Hey."
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So I messaged back saying,
"Hey, how are you?
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How's your day going?"
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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We did the--just the typical,
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courteous "Hello.How's everything going?"
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And then we decidedthat we weregoing up to Andy's Burger Bar.
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Whose idea was it to go to
that particular burger place?
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Me, because I knew--
I didn't initially know that she was real.
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What do you mean?
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Well, there's a lot of--
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- So, have you heard of catfish?
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So catfishing is where
someone uses your profile,
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uses your photos and pretends
to be you and then meets,
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and you're a completely
different person.
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Right.
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And it's happened
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to a few people
I know in Australia,
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erm, and it's all over--
it's all over the TV,
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so I thought, you know,
if I meet at SkyCity,
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at least I know that there's
lots of people around,
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so if it is someone
that it's not,
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then I can just walk away.
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- Right.
- Yep.
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- So you suggested SkyCity...
- SkyCity, yeah.
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...to deal with
a potential catfish?
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- Yeah.
- And what's the purpose of catfish?
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Uh, people do it...
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I don't know,
to catch people out.
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A lot of men do it
against other men
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to catch cheaters out,
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so if they're friends
of the girlfriend of the man,
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they do it to do all
of that sort of stuff.
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They also do it because...
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sometimes they want to be like
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the other person
that they're not.
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- Okay.
- And it's-- On Tinder,
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it's all about
the way you look,
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and so if they use
more endearing photos,
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you're more likely
to swipe for them.
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- Okay.
- Yeah.
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How does-- How does meeting
in a public place, sort of, protect you
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from meeting someone
who's not as good-looking as...
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Well, there's security there,
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so if she wasn't who
she said she was...
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- Yeah.
- ...at least...
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in my mind, I'd feel safe.
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How did the evening pan out?
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Hmm, yeah, pretty good.
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We drunk a lot of cocktailsat-at
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the burger bar,
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and we were havinggood conversations.
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Yeah, that's us.
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- Down there?
- Yep.
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- Was that before or after?
- That is after.
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Okay, and where are you guys going now?
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So she's going that way,
and I'm going across the street.
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Where do you walk?
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I go down Victoria Street
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and then hang a left,
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and I head towards the Viaduct.
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And where did you actually go?
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There's a pub on Queen Street.
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It's, like, a sports bar.
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How long were you there for? - A while.
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It would've been 10:00,maybe 11:00.
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So you knew that she
was gonna be heading back
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- to her hostel at this--
- I didn't--
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I knew she was heading
towards that way.
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- Yeah.
- Erm...
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I assumed that she was
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going to the bar upstairs.
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- At the hostel?
- Yeah.
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That's where I assumed
she was going.
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- So did she invite you back?
- No.
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- She didn't?
- No.
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Was there any discussion
about the two of you
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remaining together
at that point? - No.
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How did the evening,
sort of, come to an end?
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There was a hug
and a kiss on the cheek
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and a "Thanks.Nice meeting you."
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And then I said,"Let me know about tomorrow,"
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and she said, "Okay."And then she kept walking.
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Where was the lastpoint that you saw her?
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At that intersection.
Not-- Not here.
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Probably further down-- further
down this way at the lights.
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Yeah.
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But that would've been
the last place I saw her.
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- I tried to text herthe next day... - Yeah.
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on Tinder,
but I'd been unmatched.
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- Okay.
- And I was like,
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"Oh, what's going on here?
Must have done the wrong thing."
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While yes, Jesse Shanebecame our person of interest,
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you have to alsokeep an open mind
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as to what elsecould have happened.
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Policein New Zealand saymissing British backpacker
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Grace Millane was last seenwith a male companionat a hotel...
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Police in Aucklandhave interviewed people
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staying at the hostel,and they've recovered
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some of Grace's belongingsfrom her room.
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The longer this goes on, the more concerning it is.
254
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At the moment, we don't have
any evidence of foul play,
255
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but we're keeping an open mind.
256
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Police say there's
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no evidenceof foul play
258
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at this stagein the disappearance...
259
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Everyone's looking for Grace.
260
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Everyone's searching.
261
00:21:13,541 --> 00:21:15,875
Everyone's graspingat straws to try and help
262
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and provide some information.
263
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GraceMillane's father
264
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is on his way to New Zealand
265
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and is said to be distraught.
266
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David Millane arrived here this morning
267
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hoping he'd have an update
268
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on the whereaboutsof his daughter,
269
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that hasn't comethis afternoon.Grace is still missing.
270
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Good evening, everybody.
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I'm David Millane, Grace's dad.
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As you know, Grace has been
missing for several days.
273
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And as a family,
we've been extremely concerned for her welfare.
274
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Grace is a lovely,
outgoing, fun-loving,
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family-orientated daughter.
276
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Grace has never beenout of contact
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for this amount of time.
278
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She's usually in daily contact with either her mother, myself,
279
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her two brothers, members of the family, or on social media.
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Grace is on a year-long,worldwide overseas experience.
281
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Grace startedthis travel journeyin Peru in South America,
282
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and at the end of thiswas really looking forward
283
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to the second legin New Zealand.
284
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Maddy, come here.
Maddy, come here.
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Two, three.
286
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Hey, she chucked it so high!
287
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So, on theSaturday, you've departed...
288
00:23:08,208 --> 00:23:10,583
- Mm-hm.
- ...walked down Queen Street
289
00:23:10,666 --> 00:23:13,625
- to a pub somewhereon Queen Street.- Yeah.
290
00:23:14,333 --> 00:23:18,000
And you've spentsomewhere in the vicinityof two to three hours.
291
00:23:18,083 --> 00:23:19,875
- Yep.- At which point you've drunk,
292
00:23:19,958 --> 00:23:22,500
- you think, ten beers.
- Yeah, I would say at least
293
00:23:22,583 --> 00:23:24,708
- ten handles of beer.
- Ten handles?
294
00:23:24,791 --> 00:23:26,333
Yeah.
295
00:23:26,416 --> 00:23:28,500
And after that,
you don't remember anything.
296
00:23:28,583 --> 00:23:32,083
Nah. After that, I remember
waking up the next day.
297
00:23:32,166 --> 00:23:33,625
What time was that?
298
00:23:33,708 --> 00:23:36,125
Erm, I woke up...
299
00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:38,666
at about 9:00...
300
00:23:39,791 --> 00:23:41,625
nine, ten o'clock.
301
00:23:41,708 --> 00:23:44,458
How do you know that it was
around about 9:00 or 10:00 am?
302
00:23:44,541 --> 00:23:47,958
Because my phone was
next to me, and that was--
303
00:23:48,041 --> 00:23:53,625
I'm sure it was--
I'm sure it was 10:00. Yep.
304
00:23:53,708 --> 00:23:57,041
With this young girl
missing, disappearing,
305
00:23:57,125 --> 00:24:00,833
and we're very, very concerned
for her safety, obviously.
306
00:24:02,458 --> 00:24:05,625
It's entirely possible
that she's been the victim of foul play.
307
00:24:05,708 --> 00:24:07,166
- Okay.
- Do you understand what that means?
308
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:08,833
Yeah.
309
00:24:09,166 --> 00:24:11,333
We've obviously got a lot
of people working on this.
310
00:24:11,416 --> 00:24:12,958
- Yeah.
- Okay?
311
00:24:13,041 --> 00:24:15,000
And science plays a huge part
312
00:24:15,083 --> 00:24:16,833
in these jobs these days.
313
00:24:16,916 --> 00:24:18,291
- Yeah.
- And obviously,
314
00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:19,625
you've had
contact with her.
315
00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:23,375
- Yeah.
- So what would your feelings be
316
00:24:23,458 --> 00:24:26,541
about providing us with
a voluntary DNA sample
317
00:24:26,625 --> 00:24:29,208
in the event that we can compare
that against something?
318
00:24:30,291 --> 00:24:32,791
- Would you be happy?
- Yeah. 100%.
319
00:24:32,875 --> 00:24:34,625
I mean, I know
I haven't done anything wrong,
320
00:24:34,708 --> 00:24:37,166
- so I'm happy to do it.
- Okay.
321
00:25:10,916 --> 00:25:12,166
Oh.
322
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:25,500
Okay.
323
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:29,250
Okay.
Homici-- Homicide.
324
00:25:30,541 --> 00:25:31,875
Yeah.
325
00:26:13,666 --> 00:26:15,583
Sorry, it's been
a bit of a while.
326
00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:27,875
I'm just gonna hold off on that
DNA thing for the time being.
327
00:26:27,958 --> 00:26:30,250
- Okay. Yeah.
- Okay?
328
00:26:30,333 --> 00:26:32,625
Just back in the room
at 6:12 pm.
329
00:26:37,583 --> 00:26:39,250
- Do you have a tattoo?
- Yes.
330
00:26:39,333 --> 00:26:40,708
- May I see it?
- Yes.
331
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:48,791
Okay.
332
00:26:49,458 --> 00:26:51,750
- Is that you?
- Yes.
333
00:26:51,833 --> 00:26:53,291
- That's you?
- Yes.
334
00:26:53,375 --> 00:26:54,833
Okay.
335
00:26:54,916 --> 00:26:58,916
- Pictures in your hotel room...
- Yeah.
336
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,125
Okay?
That's on Sunday morning... - Mm-hm.
337
00:27:02,208 --> 00:27:04,541
...at eight o'clock
in the morning, 8:14.
338
00:27:05,541 --> 00:27:06,666
Okay.
339
00:27:08,333 --> 00:27:10,083
- Yeah?
- Yeah.
340
00:27:17,041 --> 00:27:19,875
I'm sure--
Oh, I'm still sure it was...
341
00:27:20,833 --> 00:27:22,666
ten o'clock.
I'm still sure of it.
342
00:27:31,041 --> 00:27:32,208
Yeah.
343
00:27:49,208 --> 00:27:50,458
Is...
344
00:27:52,166 --> 00:27:54,000
there something you wanna ask?
345
00:27:57,541 --> 00:28:00,125
- You were pretty specific...
- Yeah.
346
00:28:00,208 --> 00:28:02,416
- ...about waking up...
- Yep.
347
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:04,333
...having been
in a drunken stupor
348
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:05,833
at nine or ten o'clock
in the morning.
349
00:28:05,916 --> 00:28:07,708
Yeah.
350
00:28:07,791 --> 00:28:09,375
That's you walking in
351
00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:12,125
- with a suitcase...
- Mm-hm.
352
00:28:12,208 --> 00:28:14,250
- ...at 8:14.
- Yep.
353
00:28:14,333 --> 00:28:15,625
Yeah.
354
00:28:15,708 --> 00:28:17,291
I've still got
that suitcase too.
355
00:28:17,375 --> 00:28:19,875
- Whereabouts is it?
- It's in my room.
356
00:28:20,541 --> 00:28:21,666
Okay.
357
00:28:23,458 --> 00:28:26,750
There's quite a difference
between waking up at nine o'clock...
358
00:28:26,833 --> 00:28:28,916
- Mm-mm.
- ...which is a pretty positive statement...
359
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,041
- Yep.
- ...and walking in...
360
00:28:31,125 --> 00:28:33,375
...with a suitcase
that I still have in my room.
361
00:28:33,458 --> 00:28:35,416
...clearly under your own
steam.
362
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:36,541
Yeah.
363
00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:39,666
Okay.
364
00:28:42,625 --> 00:28:44,041
Explain that.
365
00:28:44,708 --> 00:28:46,916
I might have got
the times wrong,
366
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,333
but if you're assuming that
I was using that suitcase for something,
367
00:28:52,416 --> 00:28:54,666
I've still got that
suitcase in my room.
368
00:28:57,666 --> 00:28:59,916
And you guys can have it...
369
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,791
if that's what you're assuming.
370
00:29:07,625 --> 00:29:11,166
You haven't told the truth
about being...
371
00:29:13,833 --> 00:29:16,500
completely drunk
on Saturday night.
372
00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:26,250
This is quite important, Jesse.
Okay?
373
00:29:26,333 --> 00:29:28,833
And I'm being--
I'm being truthfully honest with you.
374
00:29:28,916 --> 00:29:30,208
I've still got that bag...
375
00:29:31,125 --> 00:29:33,083
in my-- in my room.
376
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:35,500
- What's in it?
- Nothing. Nothing's in it.
377
00:29:35,583 --> 00:29:37,541
Where did it come from? - The Warehouse.
378
00:29:37,625 --> 00:29:39,583
- Which warehouse?
- Atrium.
379
00:29:39,666 --> 00:29:41,166
When did you buy it?
380
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:42,666
That day, because I was gonna
381
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:44,458
have to move all my stuff out.
382
00:29:44,541 --> 00:29:45,750
That's eight o'clock
in the morning. - Yeah.
383
00:29:45,833 --> 00:29:47,583
What did you buy it for?
384
00:29:47,666 --> 00:29:49,375
To move all
of my stuff out of my room.
385
00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:51,583
So hang on a minute.
Now you're saying
386
00:29:51,666 --> 00:29:54,208
you went to The Warehouse
in the Atrium.
387
00:29:54,291 --> 00:29:56,458
So you remember going to
The Warehouse in the Atrium?
388
00:29:56,541 --> 00:29:58,958
Now that you've
showed me that, yeah.
389
00:29:59,041 --> 00:30:02,458
Okay. Let's put the bag
to one side for a second.
390
00:30:02,541 --> 00:30:04,083
- Yeah.
- Okay?
391
00:30:04,166 --> 00:30:06,875
- Where had you been that night?
- I-- I-- I told you.
392
00:30:06,958 --> 00:30:10,416
Okay, no, no.
That's not the case.
393
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:12,708
All right?
394
00:30:12,791 --> 00:30:15,958
You've told-- You've told a lie.
395
00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:35,791
He was very confident.He came in a three-piece suit,
396
00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:39,000
you know, waistcoat.He looked immaculate.
397
00:30:39,083 --> 00:30:42,583
He spoke very well,very confidently,
398
00:30:43,041 --> 00:30:46,583
but most of the stuffthat came out of his mouthwere lies.
399
00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:05,833
He was quite comfortableto sit there, tell his story.
400
00:31:05,916 --> 00:31:08,333
You know, "I went off one way,she went off another way,
401
00:31:08,416 --> 00:31:09,833
and I never saw her again."
402
00:31:10,791 --> 00:31:13,166
'Cos he had been soplausible, believable,
403
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:15,416
we suddenly hadsomething to say,
404
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:17,791
"Hang on.You've just lied to us."
405
00:31:17,875 --> 00:31:20,791
So that's whenyou start thinking,
406
00:31:20,875 --> 00:31:23,458
"Okay, what is henot telling us?"
407
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:29,583
So while he was beinginterviewed,
408
00:31:29,666 --> 00:31:32,125
and particularly oncehe had proved the lie,
409
00:31:32,208 --> 00:31:33,875
we had to get a search warrant
410
00:31:33,958 --> 00:31:36,583
for his room atthe CityLife Hotel.
411
00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:42,333
We found out that he'dbeen living in the hotel
412
00:31:42,416 --> 00:31:44,708
and had beenfor several months.
413
00:31:50,916 --> 00:31:53,125
We don't have the powerto hold someone
414
00:31:53,208 --> 00:31:55,916
for 48 hours and detain them.
415
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,750
We either have to havethe evidenceto arrest and charge them
416
00:31:59,833 --> 00:32:01,583
or we have to release them.
417
00:32:05,125 --> 00:32:06,916
Through our investigations,
418
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,208
we have also identifieda location of interest.
419
00:32:10,291 --> 00:32:13,416
We are conducting a sceneexamination at this address.
420
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,583
It has now been six days
since Grace was last seen.
421
00:32:18,041 --> 00:32:21,250
At this point, we hold
grave fears for her safety.
422
00:32:59,541 --> 00:33:02,333
The police came in to see me.
423
00:33:02,416 --> 00:33:06,625
The first thing they'd asked me "Do I know a Jesse Kempson?"
424
00:33:07,583 --> 00:33:09,416
And I said yes.
425
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:13,458
We'd just dismissedhim last week.
426
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,708
We called him into the office.It was just my CEO and I,
427
00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:23,333
and he said to him,"You've beenshowing fraudulent behaviours,
428
00:33:23,416 --> 00:33:26,000
making calls that don't exist.
429
00:33:26,083 --> 00:33:30,500
We've seen you callyour own phone 100 times."
430
00:33:30,833 --> 00:33:35,875
And to think that he wouldget away with that,you know, it was all recorded.
431
00:33:36,958 --> 00:33:39,166
And I think he caused...
432
00:33:40,083 --> 00:33:44,375
a lot of drama whereit shouldn't have happened.
433
00:33:44,458 --> 00:33:47,541
You know,it doesn't make sense,and that's why it's toxic,
434
00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:49,833
'cos you can't actuallypinpoint
435
00:33:50,583 --> 00:33:55,000
what the situation isand why it's happening.
436
00:33:55,083 --> 00:33:56,916
My CEO just said,
437
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,708
"We will be dismissing youwith immediate effect."
438
00:33:59,791 --> 00:34:03,166
That was Friday,
439
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:05,375
just before Grace'sdisappearance.
440
00:34:23,375 --> 00:34:25,250
We knew that he was lying.
441
00:34:25,958 --> 00:34:28,958
We had a better profileand picture of who he was.
442
00:34:29,041 --> 00:34:33,333
We had advanced whatwe knew from the CCTV.
443
00:34:34,375 --> 00:34:37,958
We obviously had to monitorand surveil Jesse Kempson,
444
00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:41,208
so we knew where he waswhen we went to pick him up
445
00:34:41,291 --> 00:34:42,666
for the second interview.
446
00:35:03,208 --> 00:35:04,875
We're at the AucklandCentral Police Station.
447
00:35:04,958 --> 00:35:09,083
It's Saturday,8th December, 2018.
448
00:35:09,166 --> 00:35:11,541
It's ten past 6:00in the evening.
449
00:35:11,625 --> 00:35:13,750
Can I ask you to pleaseintroduce yourself?
450
00:35:13,833 --> 00:35:16,916
I'm Jesse Shane Kempson. - Sure.
451
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,750
Whereabouts do you live, Jesse?
452
00:35:18,833 --> 00:35:22,583
171 Queen Street, Room 308.
453
00:35:23,416 --> 00:35:26,500
First thingI'm gonna do is go throughsome previous events.
454
00:35:26,583 --> 00:35:32,583
I approached you in the lobbyof the Attic Hostelat Wellesley Street.
455
00:35:33,208 --> 00:35:34,750
You were sitting at a computer.
456
00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:36,500
I took you asideand advised you
457
00:35:36,583 --> 00:35:38,291
there'd been some developments,
458
00:35:38,375 --> 00:35:40,666
and I wished to speakto you at the station.
459
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:42,666
At that point, we walkeddown to a police car
460
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:45,250
that was parkedon Wellesley Street.
461
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,708
You've indicated that you're
willing to speak to us
462
00:35:49,791 --> 00:35:51,291
about the events of last
Saturday.
463
00:35:51,375 --> 00:35:52,875
- Is that correct?
- Yes.
464
00:35:52,958 --> 00:35:55,333
Tell me what happened
last Saturday.
465
00:35:58,750 --> 00:36:03,375
We had one final drink at Andy's Burger Bar,
466
00:36:03,458 --> 00:36:06,083
and then we decided to go to
467
00:36:06,166 --> 00:36:10,291
the Mexican placeacross the road.
468
00:36:10,375 --> 00:36:15,125
Then we went downto The Bluestone Room.
469
00:36:26,666 --> 00:36:30,041
We hada fair bit to drink there.
470
00:36:31,458 --> 00:36:35,916
Most of the timewe were sitting there,we were just kissing.
471
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:44,833
I think we were bothinto each other.
472
00:38:08,416 --> 00:38:10,125
We kept drinking there.
473
00:38:10,208 --> 00:38:12,541
I don't know what timewe left there exactly.
474
00:38:16,708 --> 00:38:20,541
I was quite intoxicatedat that point, so was Grace.
475
00:39:08,875 --> 00:39:10,708
The next thingI remember after that
476
00:39:10,791 --> 00:39:12,833
is being in the room with Grace.
477
00:39:13,666 --> 00:39:16,875
We were kissing.
478
00:39:16,958 --> 00:39:18,750
We were...
479
00:39:20,583 --> 00:39:21,750
talking.
480
00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:25,625
She asked meto turn the TV off.
481
00:39:26,083 --> 00:39:30,208
She started talking to meaboutFifty Shades of Grey,
482
00:39:30,666 --> 00:39:35,375
and she told me that there'sa few things she likes doing.
483
00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:40,666
Started having sex,
at first, it was... erm...
484
00:39:42,416 --> 00:39:46,916
it was just normal,
and then she...
485
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,958
asked me if we could
get into bondage.
486
00:39:52,041 --> 00:39:53,708
I stopped at first
487
00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:59,416
and said, "Is this something
you really wanna do?"
488
00:40:00,541 --> 00:40:02,166
And, erm...
489
00:40:03,166 --> 00:40:04,500
She--
490
00:40:05,666 --> 00:40:10,125
She said, "We're in the moment.
Let's just go with it."
491
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:12,833
Erm...
492
00:40:16,875 --> 00:40:18,041
And then...
493
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,166
I guess we--
494
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:23,083
we had sex for...
495
00:40:24,416 --> 00:40:25,666
a little bit.
496
00:40:26,958 --> 00:40:28,916
We swapped over.
497
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,583
I got on top.
498
00:40:32,416 --> 00:40:33,458
We started...
499
00:40:34,916 --> 00:40:39,333
having, I guess,
more violent sex.
500
00:40:39,416 --> 00:40:41,458
We ended up on the floor,
501
00:40:42,916 --> 00:40:44,250
erm...
502
00:40:44,333 --> 00:40:47,583
and we kept going on the floor,
503
00:40:47,666 --> 00:40:50,833
and she told me to
hold her arms tighter,
504
00:40:51,916 --> 00:40:56,500
and then she told me to
hold her throat,
505
00:40:56,583 --> 00:40:59,708
and then at that point,
506
00:41:01,958 --> 00:41:03,041
we'd finished,
507
00:41:04,208 --> 00:41:07,458
so I went into the shower,
508
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:12,250
because at that point,
I was sweating.
509
00:41:12,333 --> 00:41:15,333
I was-- Yeah, just...
510
00:41:17,708 --> 00:41:22,458
And then all I remember is
falling asleep in the shower...
511
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,083
erm...
512
00:41:28,583 --> 00:41:30,375
and then waking up.
513
00:41:31,791 --> 00:41:35,333
It would've been-- I can't
remember exactly when it was,
514
00:41:35,416 --> 00:41:36,791
but it was still dark.
515
00:41:38,791 --> 00:41:41,875
I crawled back into bed.
516
00:41:41,958 --> 00:41:45,625
Initially, I thought Grace
had left...
517
00:41:49,583 --> 00:41:53,541
and I was obviously
asleep in bed.
518
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,500
I woke up the next day,
519
00:41:58,125 --> 00:42:02,750
and I saw that she was
lying on the floor.
520
00:42:05,375 --> 00:42:10,125
I saw that she had blood
coming from her nose.
521
00:42:12,625 --> 00:42:15,625
I screamed. I yelled out at her,
522
00:42:15,708 --> 00:42:20,875
and I tried to move her to
see if she was awake.
523
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,750
I-- I need-- I need to stop.
524
00:42:29,208 --> 00:42:30,375
I need to go.
525
00:42:33,125 --> 00:42:36,791
- Would you like some fresh air?
- Yeah, please. Please.
526
00:42:36,875 --> 00:42:38,708
Can there be a short break
for some fresh air?
527
00:42:38,791 --> 00:42:42,250
Take a break.
Thank you. - Okay.
528
00:42:42,333 --> 00:42:46,541
6:28 pm We're just gonna step
out for a breath of fresh air.
529
00:43:44,666 --> 00:43:46,833
I was...
530
00:43:46,916 --> 00:43:49,541
I don't know. I was in shock.
531
00:43:52,666 --> 00:43:55,958
I didn't know what to do.
532
00:43:58,708 --> 00:43:59,875
I didn't...
533
00:44:01,291 --> 00:44:03,125
believe what had happened.
534
00:44:09,625 --> 00:44:10,833
I...
535
00:44:10,916 --> 00:44:14,750
was just terrified and scared.
536
00:44:16,875 --> 00:44:21,291
I went to The Warehouse
at the Atrium
537
00:44:22,291 --> 00:44:24,916
and bought a suitcase.
538
00:44:27,041 --> 00:44:28,291
I went back
539
00:44:29,666 --> 00:44:31,041
and...
540
00:44:32,291 --> 00:44:35,250
at first, I didn't know
what to do.
541
00:44:35,333 --> 00:44:38,750
I just put the suitcase
on the bed.
542
00:44:46,666 --> 00:44:47,958
I...
543
00:44:49,375 --> 00:44:50,583
remember...
544
00:44:52,083 --> 00:44:54,875
putting Grace in the suitcase.
545
00:44:58,291 --> 00:44:59,500
I was...
546
00:45:02,875 --> 00:45:05,583
I was just in shock
547
00:45:05,666 --> 00:45:08,583
the whole time.
I couldn't put her in it...
548
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:12,916
because it just
didn't seem right...
549
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:17,000
because all I could think about
550
00:45:17,083 --> 00:45:21,000
was what we shared
the night before.
551
00:45:23,583 --> 00:45:26,333
And...
552
00:45:41,833 --> 00:45:46,208
And then I--
I put her in the bag.
553
00:45:57,291 --> 00:46:01,291
And the whole time, I just kept
saying, "I'm sorry."
554
00:46:07,333 --> 00:46:08,708
"I'm sorry."
555
00:46:26,041 --> 00:46:29,333
The investigationinto the disappearanceof Grace Millane
556
00:46:29,416 --> 00:46:31,375
has developed this evening.
557
00:46:32,916 --> 00:46:36,625
Sadly, the evidence
we have gathered to this point of the inquiry
558
00:46:36,708 --> 00:46:38,833
has established
that this is a homicide.
559
00:46:41,041 --> 00:46:43,583
Grace's family have been
advised of this development,
560
00:46:43,666 --> 00:46:45,250
and they are devastated.
561
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:49,958
The man is still being
spoken to at this point.
562
00:46:50,541 --> 00:46:53,500
- Did you kill Grace Millane?
- No.
563
00:46:54,666 --> 00:46:56,041
Okay.
564
00:46:56,666 --> 00:47:00,125
Jesse Kempson,
you're under arrest for the murder of Grace Millane
565
00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:02,750
- on or about 2nd December.
- Okay.
566
00:47:02,833 --> 00:47:04,333
- You understand?
- Yep.
567
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:07,708
Are you ready to take us
to where she is?
568
00:47:07,791 --> 00:47:09,000
Yeah.
569
00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:19,583
Okay. It's 8:08 pm.
We'll end this recording.
570
00:47:38,166 --> 00:47:41,500
Devastating news tonight for the family of a British backpacker
571
00:47:41,583 --> 00:47:43,625
who vanished whiletravelling in New Zealand.
572
00:47:43,708 --> 00:47:46,208
From the KiwisI have spoken to,
573
00:47:46,291 --> 00:47:50,500
there is this overwhelmingsense of hurt and shame
574
00:47:50,583 --> 00:47:53,750
that this has happenedin our country.
575
00:47:53,833 --> 00:47:56,625
And so, on behalf of
New Zealand,
576
00:47:56,708 --> 00:47:59,583
I want to apologise
to Grace's family.
577
00:48:02,333 --> 00:48:05,458
Your daughter should've been
safe here, and she wasn't,
578
00:48:05,541 --> 00:48:06,791
and I'm sorry for that.
579
00:49:34,666 --> 00:49:36,750
I can now advise thata short time ago,
580
00:49:36,833 --> 00:49:40,166
we located a body which
we believe to be Grace.
581
00:49:41,333 --> 00:49:44,250
The formal identification
process will now take place,
582
00:49:44,333 --> 00:49:46,083
however, based on the evidence
we have gathered
583
00:49:46,166 --> 00:49:49,583
over the past few days,
we expect that this is Grace.
584
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:54,416
Obviously, this brings
the search for Grace to an end.
585
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,083
This is an unbearable time
for the Millane family,
586
00:49:57,166 --> 00:49:58,875
and our hearts go out to them.
587
00:49:59,916 --> 00:50:03,833
The investigation will
continue for some time yet.
588
00:50:03,916 --> 00:50:06,666
The focus now is to piece
together exactly what happened
589
00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:10,833
to a young girl who came to
New Zealand on her OE.
590
00:51:35,708 --> 00:51:38,208
As thecountry reels from the deathof Grace Millane,
591
00:51:38,291 --> 00:51:40,333
the killing of another woman overnight has put the spotlight
592
00:51:40,416 --> 00:51:43,333
on our shockingdomestic violence record.
593
00:51:43,416 --> 00:51:47,000
Candlelight vigils will be held around the country in solidarity
594
00:51:47,083 --> 00:51:50,791
for Grace and all womenwho have been killedin New Zealand.
595
00:51:50,875 --> 00:51:53,041
Showing our true Manawatu colours...
596
00:51:55,208 --> 00:51:58,000
The GraceMillane murder trial has gotunderway this morning
597
00:51:58,083 --> 00:52:00,291
at the High Court in Auckland.
598
00:52:00,375 --> 00:52:03,166
One family harm incidentevery four minutes...
599
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:06,166
To come face-to-face for the first time with the man accused...
600
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:09,875
Court orders prevent us fromshowing or naming the 26...
601
00:52:09,958 --> 00:52:13,541
The outcome of thistrial hinges on what went on
602
00:52:13,625 --> 00:52:15,250
in that CityLife Hotel.
603
00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:17,041
Did the defendanthave murderous intent
604
00:52:17,125 --> 00:52:19,500
or was it an accident?
605
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,291
We knew we hadthe right person.
606
00:52:44,375 --> 00:52:48,291
What we had to be able to prove was there intent to kill.
607
00:52:51,083 --> 00:52:54,250
Yes, there's no othereyewitnesses here,
608
00:52:54,958 --> 00:52:57,958
but evidentiallyand circumstantially,
609
00:52:58,041 --> 00:53:00,666
we believe we hada strong case.
610
00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:03,458
Jesse Shane Kempson,
you are charged
611
00:53:03,541 --> 00:53:09,375
that between 1 December 2018
and 2 December 2018 at Auckland
612
00:53:09,458 --> 00:53:12,416
murdered
Grace Emmie Rose Millane.
613
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:14,791
How do you plead,
guilty or not guilty?
614
00:53:14,875 --> 00:53:16,083
Not guilty.
615
00:53:17,541 --> 00:53:21,458
The mood in thecourtroom was very sombre.
616
00:53:21,875 --> 00:53:24,208
There's that anticipation.
617
00:53:24,291 --> 00:53:27,416
"Here we are. Now we're gonna find out exactly what went on."
618
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:32,083
There's only one personwho can say what went on,and that was Kempson.
619
00:53:32,166 --> 00:53:35,375
He'd chosen notto give evidence himselfand that's his right.
620
00:53:35,458 --> 00:53:38,333
He relied on hisvideo interview.
621
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:55,958
One of the thingsthat I ensured
622
00:53:56,041 --> 00:53:59,125
was that we watchedsecond-by-second,
623
00:53:59,208 --> 00:54:01,458
minute-by-minute, hour-by-hour.
624
00:54:01,541 --> 00:54:03,791
We couldn't affordto miss anything
625
00:54:03,875 --> 00:54:07,166
to see the full pictureof who Jesse Kempson is.
626
00:55:00,833 --> 00:55:04,583
Grace Millane went back with
the defendant to his apartment.
627
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:07,208
She died there.
628
00:55:08,208 --> 00:55:09,750
A couple of days later,
629
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:15,583
the defendant buried
her body on Scenic Drive, out in the Waitakeres.
630
00:55:17,875 --> 00:55:19,458
None of this is in dispute.
631
00:55:20,625 --> 00:55:22,375
What is in dispute
632
00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:24,333
is how she died,
633
00:55:25,041 --> 00:55:29,000
and the pathologist
who examined Miss Millane
634
00:55:29,083 --> 00:55:31,250
will tell us that
the cause of death
635
00:55:31,333 --> 00:55:33,708
was sustained pressure
to the neck.
636
00:55:34,791 --> 00:55:37,083
It's obviously the Crown's
case that Miss Millane
637
00:55:37,166 --> 00:55:39,166
was strangled by Mr Kempson,
638
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,958
and to kill somebody
by manual strangulation,
639
00:55:43,041 --> 00:55:45,458
to kill them by strangling
them with your hands,
640
00:55:45,541 --> 00:55:48,250
requires sustained
pressure to the neck.
641
00:55:49,166 --> 00:55:52,500
The gentleman over here
at the back had, sort of,
642
00:55:52,583 --> 00:55:53,958
had her...
643
00:55:54,708 --> 00:55:59,833
under his grip for a total of...
644
00:56:00,583 --> 00:56:02,958
what would be approximately
645
00:56:03,541 --> 00:56:06,875
five to ten minutes,
646
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:11,166
at some point of which,
she lost consciousness
647
00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:15,416
and would have become,
under his handhold,
648
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:19,000
unconscious
and limp and lifeless,
649
00:56:19,083 --> 00:56:21,458
and he had to carry on.
650
00:56:21,541 --> 00:56:24,250
And the point in time in
which you make the decision
651
00:56:24,333 --> 00:56:29,541
as to whether he had
a murderous intent is when he carried on.
652
00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:33,958
The defence says to you,
members of the jury, this is not a murder...
653
00:56:35,833 --> 00:56:37,791
but an accident that occurred
654
00:56:37,875 --> 00:56:41,916
during consensual
sexual activity...
655
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,541
as part of casual sex.
656
00:56:44,625 --> 00:56:49,916
An act designed to enhance their
sexual pleasure went wrong,
657
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,041
and she died as a result.
658
00:56:53,125 --> 00:56:56,833
An unintended consequence.
659
00:56:57,750 --> 00:57:01,291
Put simply, this death
was an accident.
660
00:57:02,125 --> 00:57:04,083
And you'd expect somebody,
wouldn't you,
661
00:57:04,166 --> 00:57:08,166
immediately to call
for emergency assistance at that stage.
662
00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:10,666
Not out of legal obligation,
663
00:57:12,291 --> 00:57:14,958
not 'cos, you know,
they have to,
664
00:57:15,041 --> 00:57:18,083
but because a person,
a human being,
665
00:57:18,166 --> 00:57:20,166
has been hurt.
666
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:23,625
What actually does
Mr Kempson do?
667
00:57:24,291 --> 00:57:26,500
His version is that after sex,
668
00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:29,500
he went to the shower,
he fell asleep,
669
00:57:29,583 --> 00:57:34,000
he woke up and went to bed.
The Crown says this isn't true.
670
00:57:34,916 --> 00:57:38,125
We know that he wasn't
asleep in the shower.
671
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,375
Mr Kempson watches
some pornography.
672
00:57:55,083 --> 00:57:56,875
So if it's right
that Miss Millane's dead,
673
00:57:56,958 --> 00:57:59,208
because of the searches
that have been carried out
674
00:57:59,291 --> 00:58:02,041
for the Waitakere Ranges
and the hottest fire,
675
00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:05,916
then he wasn't distressed
676
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,875
by what occurred
or concerned by her death,
677
00:58:10,541 --> 00:58:12,708
and you'll see for the balance
of that page
678
00:58:12,791 --> 00:58:14,875
that he also then accesses
and looks at a number
679
00:58:14,958 --> 00:58:17,125
of other pornographic websites.
680
00:58:20,375 --> 00:58:23,625
And then between 1:46 and 1:49,
681
00:58:23,708 --> 00:58:27,333
he took seven intimate photos
of Miss Millane's body.
682
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,291
To be perfectly clear on this,
683
00:58:31,375 --> 00:58:33,291
the Crown is saying
she's dead at this point.
684
00:58:36,458 --> 00:58:39,125
He has eroticised...
685
00:58:39,875 --> 00:58:43,916
the death, and he has
memorialised it for himself
686
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,041
by taking his trophy
photographs.
687
00:58:53,958 --> 00:58:57,833
When confrontedwith the crisisof this unexpected,
688
00:58:57,916 --> 00:59:00,791
unforeseen and unintended death,
689
00:59:02,541 --> 00:59:05,375
the defendant freaked out.
690
00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:09,708
People do things
691
00:59:10,416 --> 00:59:13,250
when they're stressed,
when they're panicked,
692
00:59:13,333 --> 00:59:18,500
and often a combination of both
under the influence of alcohol,
693
00:59:18,583 --> 00:59:20,625
that they might later regret.
694
00:59:21,666 --> 00:59:24,541
He may not have done
the right thing afterwards
695
00:59:24,625 --> 00:59:27,916
because of a concern
no one would believe him.
696
00:59:29,333 --> 00:59:31,291
One important source...
697
00:59:33,416 --> 00:59:36,500
of evidence is the way
that Mr Kempson reacted
698
00:59:36,583 --> 00:59:38,375
after Ms Millane died.
699
01:03:00,291 --> 01:03:03,291
So, when I sat down with him,
700
01:03:03,375 --> 01:03:05,708
it was, sort of,you know, the usual,
701
01:03:05,791 --> 01:03:07,083
"What have youbeen up to today?"
702
01:03:07,166 --> 01:03:08,916
And he told me that
703
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,791
he'd been trying to find
704
01:03:10,875 --> 01:03:12,666
a really large sports bag,
705
01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:15,375
because he plays softball
706
01:03:15,458 --> 01:03:17,458
and he teaches childrena lot of softball.
707
01:03:17,541 --> 01:03:19,250
But it was really hardfor him to find a bag
708
01:03:19,333 --> 01:03:22,041
that could fit allof his equipment in.
709
01:03:22,125 --> 01:03:25,083
Like, he couldn't find one that was big enough, and, erm...
710
01:03:25,166 --> 01:03:27,208
But in the end,he did manage to find one,
711
01:03:27,291 --> 01:03:30,916
so that was a win for him,he said, for the day.
712
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,458
And we talked a little bitabout his friends,
713
01:03:35,541 --> 01:03:39,625
and he said, "Oh, all myfriends are police officers."
714
01:03:39,708 --> 01:03:43,166
And he said, "Met them inbars, and they just invitedme back
715
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:45,291
to their houses for barbecues."
716
01:03:46,583 --> 01:03:48,916
But he said they're havinga lot of trouble right now
717
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,375
because a lot of bodiesare going missingin the Waitakeres.
718
01:03:52,458 --> 01:03:56,958
But police dogs canonly smell five feet deep,
719
01:03:57,041 --> 01:03:59,416
so if you burya body more than five feet,
720
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:01,958
a police dog can't smell it.
721
01:04:02,041 --> 01:04:07,666
So that was the major issuefacing policemen right now.
722
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:09,875
But then we alsotalked about the fact
723
01:04:09,958 --> 01:04:12,083
that I'd sat througha murder trial,
724
01:04:12,166 --> 01:04:14,625
and I saw this guybe put away for life,
725
01:04:14,708 --> 01:04:17,000
and then Jesse said,
726
01:04:17,083 --> 01:04:20,208
"Yeah, it's just crazy how guys can make one wrong move...
727
01:04:20,291 --> 01:04:23,958
and be... put away for life."
728
01:04:24,041 --> 01:04:27,250
I just thought it wasreally, really strange.
729
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,166
I think I said I had to go,
730
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:35,625
and he actually had towalk the same direction
731
01:04:35,708 --> 01:04:37,583
that my car was in,
732
01:04:37,666 --> 01:04:40,083
but I didn't feel comfortablewalking next to him,
733
01:04:40,166 --> 01:04:42,583
so I actually justwalked down the street
734
01:04:42,666 --> 01:04:44,166
and went somewhere else,
735
01:04:44,250 --> 01:04:46,500
and he wentand walked to his car.
736
01:04:49,041 --> 01:04:52,250
She was back in his apartment,
737
01:04:52,333 --> 01:04:55,708
and I didn't know,and I didn't-- I couldn't doanything about it.
738
01:06:21,666 --> 01:06:26,791
9:31, Grace Millane
leaves the building...
739
01:06:31,041 --> 01:06:32,416
folded,
740
01:06:33,125 --> 01:06:35,333
contorted, however
you want to describe it,
741
01:06:37,291 --> 01:06:38,958
in a suitcase.
742
01:07:27,708 --> 01:07:31,500
Miss Millane initiated
and asked him
743
01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:36,375
to put his hands around her neck
to give her sexual pleasure.
744
01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:41,291
Miss Millane raisedand initiated
745
01:07:41,375 --> 01:07:44,125
and led these activities
746
01:07:44,208 --> 01:07:48,625
the restraint, the slapping,the biting and the choking.
747
01:07:54,458 --> 01:07:57,208
Of course, he was
not experienced enough
748
01:07:57,291 --> 01:08:01,291
to actually know
how to do this properly
749
01:08:01,375 --> 01:08:03,583
and what the dangersactually were.
750
01:08:12,333 --> 01:08:15,791
He's really just a young man
who's prepared to do
751
01:08:15,875 --> 01:08:19,125
what his sexual partners
want him to do in the bedroom.
752
01:08:19,208 --> 01:08:22,625
He simply did what
she asked him to do.
753
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,208
So on 3rd December,that's the Monday,
754
01:09:02,291 --> 01:09:04,416
he goes out earlyin that morning.
755
01:09:08,833 --> 01:09:12,166
He goes to Kumeu ITMto get the spade.
756
01:09:12,250 --> 01:09:17,416
What's interesting about Kumeu is he goes through the pretence of buying some bolts.
757
01:09:19,708 --> 01:09:23,583
He's diverting interest in "the guy that bought a shovel."
758
01:09:23,666 --> 01:09:25,791
So he's giving it a pretence.
759
01:09:25,875 --> 01:09:28,083
He's covering his tracks.
760
01:10:32,625 --> 01:10:36,583
On the way back from burying Grace, he's barefooted.
761
01:10:36,666 --> 01:10:39,875
He couldn't be seenwith muddy shoes.
762
01:10:47,125 --> 01:10:49,375
Then he getshis clothes dry-cleaned.
763
01:10:53,416 --> 01:10:56,500
He went and boughta second suitcase.
764
01:10:56,583 --> 01:10:59,875
That's the level of planning,
765
01:10:59,958 --> 01:11:04,250
because that sets upthe scenario for him
766
01:11:04,333 --> 01:11:06,541
when he later speaksto the police.
767
01:11:06,625 --> 01:11:09,125
I've still got that
suitcase in my room.
768
01:11:12,083 --> 01:11:17,375
And you guys can have it,
if that's what you're assuming.
769
01:11:25,583 --> 01:11:28,625
He hoses the mud offthe car,then leaves the shovel,
770
01:11:28,708 --> 01:11:30,875
making it harder for usto find it.
771
01:11:45,208 --> 01:11:49,250
He gets a call fromthe police officer at 4:16 pm
772
01:11:49,333 --> 01:11:52,541
asking him to get in contactwith New Zealand Police,
773
01:11:53,375 --> 01:11:58,500
and that was followedby him dumping thoseitems in Albert Park.
774
01:11:58,583 --> 01:12:02,541
So he must've still hadsome stuff thathe needed to get rid of
775
01:12:02,625 --> 01:12:05,750
that linked himto Grace Millane.
776
01:12:08,458 --> 01:12:10,708
When you see Jesse Kempson get into the lift
777
01:12:10,791 --> 01:12:14,291
at the CityLifethat first time,there's no panic.
778
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,375
He buys the suitcase,there's no panic.
779
01:12:18,833 --> 01:12:21,791
Later on, he goesand buys cleaning products,
780
01:12:21,875 --> 01:12:26,000
there's no panic.He rents a car,there's no panic.
781
01:12:26,083 --> 01:12:27,541
He's in control.
782
01:12:39,625 --> 01:12:41,500
He says he was panicking.
783
01:12:42,208 --> 01:12:45,208
Somebody else would
have to explain to you
784
01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:49,250
where it is that we can find
evidence that he has panicked.
785
01:12:53,291 --> 01:12:56,125
He goes on that tripat 5:19 am
786
01:12:56,208 --> 01:12:58,083
on the morning of the 6th.
787
01:12:58,166 --> 01:13:02,333
He goes out to Mission Bayfor a short period
788
01:13:02,416 --> 01:13:04,333
with a shoulder bag,
789
01:13:04,416 --> 01:13:07,833
with something in it thatmust be really important.
790
01:13:07,916 --> 01:13:11,125
The police never foundGrace Millane's phone.
791
01:13:18,666 --> 01:13:21,583
Then he's gone on aboutthe necessary business,
792
01:13:21,666 --> 01:13:23,250
to clean up,
793
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:28,125
and to break the
forensic linkage and chain
794
01:13:28,666 --> 01:13:32,291
to him and the deceased,
and that is calculating,
795
01:13:32,375 --> 01:13:34,583
and that is a man
who has murdered.
796
01:13:43,583 --> 01:13:46,708
We had a couple ofstaff, police staff,
797
01:13:46,791 --> 01:13:50,583
at the CityLife Hotel,and Kempson comes along.
798
01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:56,333
And, of course, he seesthat the police are inside,
799
01:13:56,416 --> 01:13:59,541
and he just calmly walks away,walks back down the street
800
01:13:59,625 --> 01:14:01,083
towards Queen Street.
801
01:14:07,416 --> 01:14:09,291
One of the hotel staff saw him
802
01:14:09,375 --> 01:14:10,625
and indicatedto the police staff,
803
01:14:10,708 --> 01:14:11,708
"Oh, there... he is there."
804
01:14:23,833 --> 01:14:26,583
The 6th of Decemberinterview is important,
805
01:14:26,666 --> 01:14:31,833
because that was an opportunity for the defendant to tell the truth.
806
01:14:31,916 --> 01:14:34,333
He went to that meeting,
807
01:14:34,416 --> 01:14:36,000
conveyed thathe wished to tell them
808
01:14:36,083 --> 01:14:39,208
everything that he knewabout Grace Millane.
809
01:14:39,291 --> 01:14:40,666
That's her there?
You recognise her?
810
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:42,000
- Yep.
- Okay.
811
01:14:42,416 --> 01:14:45,791
Now, if he was a person
who had accidentally
812
01:14:45,875 --> 01:14:48,375
or inadvertently killed her,
813
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,666
this, if not previous,
814
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:55,625
was the opportunity
for him to say so...
815
01:14:55,708 --> 01:14:58,333
isn't it? And he doesn't.
816
01:14:58,416 --> 01:15:00,416
Okay. And where are
you guys going now?
817
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:04,958
So she's going that way,
and I'm going across the street.
818
01:15:05,041 --> 01:15:07,625
He lies.
819
01:15:07,708 --> 01:15:11,291
He lies and lies and lies.
820
01:15:11,375 --> 01:15:13,833
He's pretty good at this.
821
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:23,583
The night he triedto murder me,
822
01:15:24,625 --> 01:15:28,166
I wrote a letter in casemy body was found,
823
01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:31,958
stating everything he did to me that night, and I signed it,
824
01:15:32,041 --> 01:15:34,625
because I honestly thoughtI was gonna die.
825
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:38,291
I came home,
826
01:15:38,375 --> 01:15:40,083
and I walked up the stairs.
827
01:15:40,916 --> 01:15:45,333
He looked at me, and he said,"I'm gonna kill you."
828
01:15:47,416 --> 01:15:49,666
And just that fearof being like,
829
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:52,666
"Fuck. I thoughtit'd settled down."
830
01:15:52,750 --> 01:15:55,291
It just kept going on."You're gonna die today.
831
01:15:55,375 --> 01:15:56,666
I'm gonna murder you."
832
01:15:57,958 --> 01:16:00,333
At some point,he went and got that knife,
833
01:16:01,583 --> 01:16:05,500
got me on the ground, and I was in, like, a foetal position.
834
01:16:05,583 --> 01:16:09,083
He was on top of me withthe knife by my throat.
835
01:16:12,375 --> 01:16:17,166
And then he got me behindthe couch in a chokehold...
836
01:16:17,708 --> 01:16:21,500
And I'll never forget,he whispered in my ear,
837
01:16:21,583 --> 01:16:23,916
"Shh. Time to go to sleep."
838
01:16:31,166 --> 01:16:34,916
So I knew after that night,
839
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,250
I had just accepted my fatethat I was gonna end up dead.
840
01:16:45,041 --> 01:16:47,583
He needed powerand control at all times,
841
01:16:47,666 --> 01:16:50,500
and when he didn't have it,he would resort back
842
01:16:50,583 --> 01:16:52,833
to those violent behaviours.
843
01:16:54,083 --> 01:16:57,166
He slapped me.He head-butted me.
844
01:16:57,958 --> 01:17:00,875
He'd hold my throat'till I couldn't breathe
845
01:17:00,958 --> 01:17:03,041
while he was having sexwith me.
846
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:07,000
Whenever he was angry at me,
847
01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:09,083
he'd go to the kitchenand get the butcher knife
848
01:17:09,166 --> 01:17:10,666
and hold it to my throat.
849
01:17:11,291 --> 01:17:14,458
Those were tacticsto just remind me,
850
01:17:15,041 --> 01:17:17,708
"I could kill youif I choose to."
851
01:17:20,458 --> 01:17:23,083
He had to be hurting you.
852
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:25,041
It excited him.
853
01:17:31,541 --> 01:17:36,833
I am the only person thatwill actually know deep down
854
01:17:36,916 --> 01:17:38,958
what happened behind that door.
855
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,708
What I think happenedis that she said no to him,
856
01:17:42,791 --> 01:17:45,583
and he lost it, 'cos hedoesn't like being told no.
857
01:17:47,083 --> 01:17:51,750
And when I think of that,that really gets me sad...
858
01:17:53,208 --> 01:17:55,333
...'cos I know the fear
859
01:17:55,416 --> 01:18:01,416
that she would've felt in those final moments.
860
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:03,500
And that really saddens me.
861
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:10,541
It just shouldnever have happened,
862
01:18:10,625 --> 01:18:12,541
and she didn't ask for that.
863
01:18:21,291 --> 01:18:23,333
Kempson's ex-girlfriend couldn't give evidence
864
01:18:23,416 --> 01:18:27,625
at Grace's trial. She would have her own trial against him.
865
01:18:27,708 --> 01:18:31,458
So we found other womenthat had beenon Tinder dates with him.
866
01:18:31,541 --> 01:18:34,666
Today,the Crown called evidencefrom these other women
867
01:18:34,750 --> 01:18:37,791
in an effort to provea pattern of behaviour.
868
01:18:37,875 --> 01:18:40,333
One witness told thecourt of fearing for her life
869
01:18:40,416 --> 01:18:42,625
during their encounteras her breathingwas restricted.
870
01:18:42,708 --> 01:18:44,541
The womansaid the man sat down,
871
01:18:44,625 --> 01:18:47,250
putting his full weighton her face.
872
01:18:47,333 --> 01:18:48,833
Do you think that...
873
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:53,208
you may have overemphasised
874
01:18:53,291 --> 01:18:57,833
or exaggerated
what took place that night
875
01:18:57,916 --> 01:19:00,625
and how you really
felt about it?
876
01:19:00,708 --> 01:19:03,916
Not at all.
That's not a pleasurable thing.
877
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,166
He would have seen me
kicking and writhing.
878
01:19:06,250 --> 01:19:08,625
You can't say that I was
sitting there enjoying it.
879
01:19:09,666 --> 01:19:13,000
I suggest he didn't
have hold of your arms
880
01:19:13,083 --> 01:19:15,750
in any form of restraint at all.
881
01:19:15,833 --> 01:19:18,625
After he moved off me,
after the struggling,
882
01:19:18,708 --> 01:19:21,750
after the holding me down,
I said that I couldn't breathe.
883
01:19:21,833 --> 01:19:23,500
It's just nonsense, isn't it?
884
01:19:23,583 --> 01:19:25,458
Nothing bad did happen.
885
01:19:25,541 --> 01:19:28,041
You weren't kicking
or struggling at all.
886
01:19:28,125 --> 01:19:30,208
He didn't have
hold of your arms.
887
01:19:30,291 --> 01:19:33,041
He didn't say any
of those things to you.
888
01:19:33,125 --> 01:19:36,125
This is not a lie.
I'm not trying to justify anything.
889
01:19:36,208 --> 01:19:38,500
I don't wanna be
telling my horrific story
890
01:19:38,583 --> 01:19:40,500
in front of all you people,
891
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:43,833
but I am, and it's the truth,
and you can't take that away.
892
01:19:45,083 --> 01:19:47,375
They victim-shamed her.
893
01:19:47,458 --> 01:19:50,500
They made her feel like a piece of shit all over again.
894
01:19:50,583 --> 01:19:52,625
It wasn't bad enoughthat Jesse had done it,
895
01:19:52,708 --> 01:19:56,916
now professional lawyers aremaking you feel worthless.
896
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,375
I don't careif that's your job.
897
01:19:59,458 --> 01:20:02,750
You don't degrade someoneover sexual violence
898
01:20:02,833 --> 01:20:08,291
when a victim is trying to bebrave in front of her abuser.
899
01:20:08,375 --> 01:20:10,041
The defence's tactic
900
01:20:10,125 --> 01:20:12,125
was to undermineand place the blame
901
01:20:12,208 --> 01:20:14,958
on the women involved,including Grace,
902
01:20:16,041 --> 01:20:18,375
and this was echoed aroundthe world.
903
01:20:18,958 --> 01:20:20,791
It was shocking to seehow quickly
904
01:20:20,875 --> 01:20:23,375
people accepted this argument.
905
01:20:23,458 --> 01:20:26,708
People were so quickto judge and blame Grace.
906
01:20:45,916 --> 01:20:49,333
If people are gonna use
that type of defence,
907
01:20:50,166 --> 01:20:54,875
all it actually does
is repeatedly re-victimises
908
01:20:54,958 --> 01:20:57,625
the victim
and the victim's family.
909
01:21:00,375 --> 01:21:05,000
They just made herout to be this minxthat loved rough sex,
910
01:21:05,083 --> 01:21:06,875
and I don't care if she did.She didn't deserve that.
911
01:21:06,958 --> 01:21:09,041
No one deserves that.
912
01:21:10,875 --> 01:21:12,500
She was shamedand blamed...
913
01:21:14,166 --> 01:21:17,125
but she doesn'tconsent to her murder.
914
01:21:18,333 --> 01:21:20,666
It was Kempson's actionsthat killed Grace.
915
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:22,333
Nothing else.
916
01:21:34,833 --> 01:21:40,458
Kempson had toldus so many lies.
917
01:21:40,541 --> 01:21:43,958
There's no evidence that actual sexual intercourse took place.
918
01:21:44,041 --> 01:21:48,750
We don't know that.That's what he said,and everybody's assumed that.
919
01:21:48,833 --> 01:21:52,833
But evidentially,there is no evidencethat that actually happened.
920
01:21:54,916 --> 01:21:58,458
There's only one personwho can say what went on,and that was Kempson.
921
01:21:58,541 --> 01:22:01,791
He didn't get up in the box.He'd had his interviews
922
01:22:01,875 --> 01:22:03,916
at the timeof the investigation.
923
01:22:06,833 --> 01:22:09,500
Grace couldn't defend herself.
924
01:22:15,041 --> 01:22:19,500
Many women have identifiedwith Grace Millane's case.
925
01:22:19,583 --> 01:22:23,291
Many have told media herethat what happened to her
926
01:22:23,375 --> 01:22:25,666
could have happened to them, could have happened to anybody,
927
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:30,000
and that they wantedto be therefor the final day in court.
928
01:22:46,875 --> 01:22:50,208
There wasan eerie silence at theHigh Court in Auckland today
929
01:22:50,291 --> 01:22:53,291
as the high-profile casecame to a close.
930
01:23:14,916 --> 01:23:17,875
When the verdictwas read out,
931
01:23:17,958 --> 01:23:20,708
probably the most emotionalcourtroom I've ever been in.
932
01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:25,208
Madam Foreman, please stand.
933
01:23:26,875 --> 01:23:29,458
Members of the jury, have you
reached the unanimous verdict
934
01:23:29,541 --> 01:23:32,833
that is one on which all 12
of you agree on charge
935
01:23:32,916 --> 01:23:35,208
- or on the charge of murder?
- We have.
936
01:23:35,291 --> 01:23:38,333
Do you find the defendant,
Jesse Shane Kempson,
937
01:23:38,416 --> 01:23:39,583
guilty or not guilty?
938
01:23:39,666 --> 01:23:40,708
Guilty.
939
01:23:52,875 --> 01:23:54,750
"The verdict of murder today...
940
01:23:57,291 --> 01:23:59,083
...will be welcomed
941
01:23:59,166 --> 01:24:02,083
by every member
of the Millane family
942
01:24:02,166 --> 01:24:04,250
and friends of Grace.
943
01:24:05,708 --> 01:24:08,000
It will not reduce
the pain, the suffering
944
01:24:08,083 --> 01:24:11,625
that we've had to endure
for over the past year.
945
01:24:16,375 --> 01:24:20,333
Grace was taken away from usin the most brutal fashiona year ago,
946
01:24:20,416 --> 01:24:23,958
and our lives and familyhave been ripped apart.
947
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:28,250
This will be with us forthe rest of our lives.
948
01:24:29,458 --> 01:24:33,958
Grace was a beautiful,talented, loving daughter.
949
01:24:34,041 --> 01:24:37,458
Grace was our sunshine, and she will be missed forever.
950
01:24:39,125 --> 01:24:41,541
Finally, we must return home
951
01:24:41,625 --> 01:24:45,375
and try and pick up
the pieces of our lives
952
01:24:45,458 --> 01:24:48,083
and day-to-day without
our beloved Grace."
953
01:24:48,166 --> 01:24:49,750
Thank you all.
954
01:25:33,833 --> 01:25:38,666
The family feel that Grace's
murderer has also killed David.
955
01:25:39,541 --> 01:25:42,000
You know, the stress,
the cancer,
956
01:25:42,083 --> 01:25:43,791
and he would have died
of a broken heart.
957
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,500
I will miss my darling, Grace,
958
01:25:51,583 --> 01:25:55,833
until the last breath
in my body leaves me.
959
01:25:57,208 --> 01:26:00,583
The laughter, the conversations,
960
01:26:01,416 --> 01:26:02,958
the memories...
961
01:26:04,875 --> 01:26:07,083
You will never be forgotten,
my darling.
962
01:26:13,041 --> 01:26:16,125
I will do my utmost
963
01:26:16,208 --> 01:26:22,208
to ensure that no otherfamily needs to go throughwhat we have endured,
964
01:26:22,666 --> 01:26:28,291
and to create a future withoutmale violence towards women.
965
01:26:40,625 --> 01:26:43,708
What woman wants to bestrangled to death?
966
01:26:43,791 --> 01:26:46,833
That's what I think. No woman wants to be strangled to death.
967
01:26:46,916 --> 01:26:48,791
He wasn't doingwhat she wanted him to do.
968
01:26:48,875 --> 01:26:53,416
He murdered her. Full-stop.
969
01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:59,416
I've often said that if it wasn't Grace, it was gonna be someone else...
970
01:27:00,291 --> 01:27:02,083
and I still believe that.
77754
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