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JIMMY CARTER: One time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa,

and we were not
able to find it
by surveillance.

So the director of the CIA
heard about a woman
in California

that was a medium or something. I don't know the title for her.

And she gave him
the latitude and longitude

of the plane's whereabouts.

And we located the plan
where she said it was.

And that's the only time
that I have ever
experienced something

that was inexplicable
while I was President.

He was the most psychic man
in the world,

but nobody seems to know
what killed him.

NARRATOR:
It began with Russell Targ.

The physicist in
the beret there

appeared at my door
with a box of documents.

TARG: Okay, so this is
Marker 701.

This is where
the caretaker told me
I should start.

And I'm gonna see what this is.

And this is Marker 700.

So, indeed...
Indeed Pat's grave is
entirely unmarked.

I think he deserved
better than that.

This is probably
my last opportunity

to say goodbye
to my good friend Pat.

Pat Price often said the more attention you place on hiding something,

the more it shines
like a beacon
in psychic space.

NARRATOR: Pat Price died
in 1975,

and some people believe
it was because of his work
with remote viewing.

TV NARRATOR: Psychic spies,
Cold War whimsy,
or secret weapon?

Some people may have
certain psychic powers.

This may reassure you,
it may alarm you,

but in fact, for some years now,
the US intelligence community

has wagered
a modest amount of money

on the possibility
that such powers do exist.

...such powers do exist.

...do exist.

But the most
enduring experiments

have been in the field
of remote viewing.

We got into it
when we discovered
that they were in it.

We found that many individuals
were able to accurately describe

what's going on
in distant locations,

blocked from any kind
of ordinary perception.

INTERVIEWER: Are you saying
the work you've been doing
is classified?

I really can't talk
about matters of classification
as you can imagine.

My name is Russell Targ,
and I'm a physicist.

[SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL
MUSIC PLAYING]

TARG: This is
our last chance
to tell our story.

I haven't been
on a road trip like this
for many years.

They always assume
that people are immortal.

WOMAN: This is the final boarding call for passengers...

TARG: I hope the people
who have seen and used
operational material

will say, "Yes,
that really happened."

WOMAN: Final boarding
call for passengers...

TARG: A huge trove
of material was declassified
by the CIA.

so this is really the first
time that the people
who were cognizant

of secret material
can talk about it.

NARRATOR: At one time,
humanity worshipped fire.

The shamans called it magic,
and the people feared it.

And now science recognizes fire as simply another part of the natural world.

Ideas change based
on new evidence.

But the fear
of the unknown remains.

♪ The future, the future

♪ It all looms very large

NARRATOR: What if
psychic abilities were real?

What if you could
look anywhere

using only the power
of your mind?

And if these abilities
really exist,

what would that do
to the world

when it found out?

[WHIRRING]

♪ ...my crystal ball

NARRATOR: The CIA financed a project in 1975 to develop a new kind of agent

who could truly be
called a "spook."

NICHOLAS TARG: That when you told me you were interested in using classified materials,

that you're eager
to get them out,
and you were,

I was principally
concerned for you.

And our family, no doubt.

No doubt. We received
the letter,

from the CIA, and said,
"Sorry, not now, but later."

"Well, Nicholas, I'm just gonna
publish the book."

And I just thought that
what could be more important

than to help my father, one,
get the documents
that he was seeking,

but also to help make sure
that he stayed out of jail.

So, that all seemed like
a very worthwhile enterprise

Yeah, very good thinking.

And I then contacted
the congresswoman
in Palo Alto,

and she submitted a letter
on your behalf as well.

Oh, that's very nice.
I didn't know that.

Several months later, the CIA
released the documents
that we had requested.

And you were able to tell me
the story in full detail.

If I taught you
to expect a miracle,
it's been worthwhile.

NARRATOR: With the floodgates now open,

an additional 70,000 documents on remote viewing were declassified.

I can now show everybody
the pictures without having to
kill them afterwards.

TARG: You can actually
take out of thin air

information about something
you have absolutely
no access to

just using your mind.

If we wanna know
why the CIA was lying
about our program,

Perhaps you should
go to Detroit,

and talk to Kit Green,
our former contract monitor.

He was branch chief
of the Life Sciences
division at CIA.

GREEN: I was
given the results,
the drawings,

showed the ability
of a visual representation

that appeared to be better
than over-head imagery.

In Pat Price's drawings,

it was as if it was
from inside his brain

that the information
was coming,

not from his eyeballs
overhead looking down.

KEN KRESS: It was
obvious to any
intelligence organization

that if you had an ability

to be able to remotely
perceive stuff,

really remotely,
like any place in the world,

that could be
an extraordinary
intelligence source.

The remote viewing program
basically ran from
the early '70s to the mid '90s.

TARG: For more than 20 years, the CIA used psychic abilities

operationally, and
in a top secret program
for the US government.

You paid for them,
you deserve to see them.

CIA said "Cease and desist."

People said this stuff is
so intriguing

that we got back into the game.

NARRATOR: We once found a guy that could see anywhere in the world

through his psychic powers.

We could show him
a picture of any place,

and he could describe
any activity going on there.

But he died,
and we haven't
heard from him since.

CIA Director Stansfield Turner,Chicago Tribune. August 1977.

I believe when he died,
he was out in Las Vegas
or something

and Kit Green rushed out there.

Even though he died unattended,

in a hotel room, you don't
need to make it
a medical examiner case.

Although, that's not correct.

And he was taken
to the emergency room

which I visited, speaking now
as a criminologist.

I would have investigated
the hell out of it.

[WATER SPLASHING]

But the water's
a little bit murky.

So, I'm gonna change
to a bigger fly
that they can see better.

Ah, there we go. We got one.

MAN: So what do you do
with it after catching?

Catch and release only.

The cutthroats are now
pretty endangered.

So you can't keep 'em.

Where the red is,
it's like his throat's been cut.

MAN: Yeah.

TARG: Ken Kress was our long term contract monitor at CIA.

He was a physicist.

Ken Kress became
a mythic figure
when he wrote

a long paper
inAnnals of Intelligence
describing our program

but he's never come forward.

NARRATOR: Kress had
never been interviewed
before this film.

And every question we asked
had to be submitted
for vetting by the CIA.

KRESS: I was undercover.

The fact that CIA was
even doing anything with SRI

was confidential information.

TARG: So, Sid Gottlieb looked around, came up with my name, because I was a physicist,

and he called me in and
he said, "Well, I'd like you
to take over this project."

And he said, "The reason
is there's two physicists in SRI

"and I think you three
can probably communicate."

[INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER]

The first series of experiments here at Stanford Research Institute

were what the scientists call remote viewing.

For example, here is
a re-enactment

of one of the first
experiments last year.

The subject was
a New York artist
named Ingo Swann.

He was in the room,

the experimentists,
Dr. Harold Puthoff,
and Russell Targ

were driving away in a car.

Their destination was
in a sealed envelope.

This day, it was Palo Alto
city hall,

the subject did not know.

But back in the room,
the subject began
sketching and describing

where he imagined
they might be.

Here was the tape recording
that he made them.

SWANN:
There must be buildings
around sort of an area,

enclosed of some sort
of quadrangle or quad.

And then I sort of thought
there might be
a fountain around,

but I didn't hear
any water in it.

NARRATOR: There is a fountain. That day, it was turned off.

Back in the room,
the subject sketched
a pattern

he thought was crosswalks
coming together in a circle.

In fact, the courtyard is
paved in this pattern.

The courtyard where they were is two miles from the room where the subject was.

There had been
no communication
between them.

TARG: Somehow
or another, Kit Green,
and Ingo got together.

Kit came up with a report
and he sent this back

circulating through CIA.

And eventually got
to Sid Gottlieb.

Gottlieb was already predisposed to look at the psychic phenomena

from ten years ago.

NARRATOR:
As the CIA's sorcerer,
Gottlieb attempted to raise

assassination to an art form.

Out of his labs had come
many debilitating potions.

TARG: We knew
who Sid Gottlieb was.

He was the Director of the famous MK Ultra program.

This is by 1974.

MK Ultra was the CIA's
notorious mind control program

in the 1950s and '60s

where they were
giving LSD to people

to see if you could create
a Manchurian candidate

and strip away their memories.

We considered him
sort of the Josef Mengele

of the American side.

Mengele, of course, was
a notorious Nazi physician

who did biological experiments
on Jewish prisoners.

Gottlieb was not doing that.
Gottlieb, of course, was Jewish.

He was just
torturing other people

independent of race or religion.

He was an equal opportunity
misanthrope.

From my point of view,
he reminded me
of my old uncle Sid.

MAN:
When he died, he was
out in Las Vegas or something.

In early 1972, I briefed
NASA and the CIA

and proposed experiments
to help people develop
their psychic abilities.

Well, Hal and I thought
it would be very interesting
to meet with Sid Gottlieb.

He was enthusiastic
about the idea of giving
remote viewers LSD

as a way of enhancing
their psychic abilities.

I was opposed to that.

Remote viewing requires
a person's conscious
cooperation.

And we explained that
to Gottlieb and he seemed
to completely understand.

So led us down
into the basement
of the Pentagon.

And it seemed to us
that he was sort of
stored in the basement

with all of his books,

the only comfortable place
we'd ever been in the CIA.

The idea, after talking to
Gottlieb,

the decision to give us money
to go forward

probably had already been made.

MAN: Reports that
the Soviets were
using psychics to spy on us,

prompted us to do
the same to them.

There was Intelligence.

Hard Intelligence.

I mean, Intelligence that like
really really good.

Internal program intelligence
about what the Soviets
were doing

in medicine and psychology

that stated that they believed

that United States military,
United States
intelligence officers

and United States scientists
would be ripe

for recruitment as spies

if they were interested

in crazy things
like psychic research,

remote viewing,
and parapsychology.

And they would
tell their government,

people who are responsible
for doing recruiting
and so forth,

"Hey, if you wanna find somebody
in the Washington DC area,

"that might be
pretty interesting,

find somebody that
spends their time
doing psychic research.

INTERVIEWER: They must
have been following
Russ around constantly then.

It's natural for a visually
handicapped person like me

to be interested
in optics, magic,

and extra-sensory perception.

[MOTOR WHIRRING]

I'm a legally blind
motorcycle-riding physicist.

In 1934, I was
born in Chicago.

I was a child magician.

I used to perform magic tricks in birthday parties, and art openings.

As a magician,
I understand how people
can be tricked.

That's always made me
a better researcher,

especially in a field like ESP.

I left graduate school
at Columbia in 1956.

And in 1958, I began working
on the earliest development
of the laser.

I was looking for a way
to get into some kind
of psychic research,

and still support my family.

Russell was enthusiastic,

and Hal was more like
what you would expect
a theoretician to be.

But they both came across
as physicists.

I heard that there was
gonna be a lecture
at Stanford University,

And there was
a young physicist,
Hal Puthoff,

giving lecture
on Psychic Discoveries
Behind the Iron Curtain,

American and Russian ESP.

And I then went back
and talked to my new friend
Hal Puthoff.

And I said I think
I got some dough.

Let's talk to your management about creating a program,

and he said,
"That would be very nice.

"You just have to promise
that you'll keep it
low profile."

So that was in June 1972,

and this led to the beginning
of our program at SRI

to investigate
psychic abilities.

I look forward to coming
to work, every day
had a new miracle.

I feel like the child magician
finally got a job doing magic.

As we were doing
these experiments,

we began to run into flak

from the psychologists at SRI.

He said, "You know
you've got that crazy ESP
experiments going on.

"That's gonna ruin
our reputation.

"We're gonna lose our funding.
Get rid of those guys."

Hal had worked
for several years

in Naval intelligence
in Washington,

and that may have made him a little more secretive indeed.

PUTHOFF: I had access to one of
the most shielded experiments
on the planet.

It was a shielded magnetometer that measures weak magnetic fields.

NARRATOR: Against his
better judgment,

Hal snuck his
very first subject

into a forbidden lab
at Stanford.

The man claimed to be
the greatest psychic
in the world.

And his name was Ingo Swann.

Swann claimed that he could move the needle of an unswayable magnetometer.

Buried under 30 feet
of concrete with
a classified design

used to sniff out
nuclear explosions,

[EXPLOSION]

PUTHOFF: It even had
super-conducting shielding.

Its claim to fame was
that nothing from the outside
could affect it.

NARRATOR: Not only
could Ingo perfectly
sketch the design,

but the needle moved,

and nearly got them kicked
out of Stanford for breaking
the experiment.

And that got
the attention of the CIA.

I asked the CIA agents,
"Why are you looking me up?"

He says, "Well, we couldn't
care less about the fact

"that he
perturbed that magnetometer."

but the fact that
he could look through
super-conducting shielding

and see what was inside,

that is really a concern.

In a way I can understand
other people's response
to our work.

If someone had
come up and told me
four years ago

the kind of things
I'm now telling people,

I think I would have been
skeptical also.

When I first met Ingo,

of course, he was
coming out with his claim
of "being psychic,"

And at the time, before
I started seeing results,
I was very skeptical,

and he was very confident.

A psychic is a kind
of remote sensing device

and that I think
has a contribution

to make to both science
and humanity.

To understand Ingo,
I think you have
to see a creative,

highly intelligent,
deeply wounded man

who found in remote viewing

a pathway to the acclaim
that he sought.

We might do
an experiment that looked
like a really good outcome.

And he would say,
" No, no, no.
This is not so good."

And he would come up
with some loophole.

And so, he would say, "Look,
if we take credit
for an experiment,

"and then someone comes along later and finds some loophole or false positive,

"then they'll reject it,

"and even when we
do good experiments,
they'll reject it."

PUTHOFF: He told me a story.
He was a homosexual,

which doesn't matter,
I mean, who cares,

but it mattered to him,

because he told me a story
which I never forgot,

of being beaten up
by a bunch of boys
who he liked and admired

when he was a youth.

And I think he wanted
to be acknowledged.

SWANN: I've often recovered
many of the thoughts

about existence
I had as a child.

A major one of these was the separation of consciousness

from the body
which was very real
when I was a child.

This kinda thing happens
in art.

I believe, and
I always have believed,
and I've returned to it

many times in my life
that I'm not this body

in terms of consciousness, and consciousness can go places where the body cannot.

PUTHOFF: It was
very important to him
to be validated by SRI.

SRI was the first lab
of a different order

of magnitude from all prior
parapsychological research.

TARG: What SRI was
always upset about

is that during our day here,
we brought in
1% of the money,

and 99% of the publicity.

PUTHOFF: Back in 1972, SRI was primarily a contractor for the government,

and some industry.

With the riots of the late
'60s and the '70s,

the fact that classified
work was going on
in Stanford University,

and they didn't
like that.

Up until that time,

most parapsychological research was done by small foundations

on minuscule budgets
operating in a corner
of some basement.

At SRI, the level
of classification was
top secret.

It took a long time to get
the security clearance.

You can't walk around.
You have to be escorted
because of the secret projects.

Full of high class
scientific equipment beeping,

showing on the ray tubes,
and all that.

And when Russell and Hal
got positioned there,

it had a big impact.

And on Ingo, it had
a particularly big impact

because the work that he did
at SRI drew a lot of attention.

To be in that kinda laboratory,
they must be very important,

and really have
a grasp of the truth.

So, you guys had
a psychological procedure

that in the neighborhood,
thing as it were,
it was fantastic,

and I think that's partially
why you got such
damn good results.

NARRATOR: And all
of them succeeded
in remote viewing.

Doctors Puthoff and Targ
do not know how.

And so maybe one
of the most important things
about the work done here,

is that it has been published in one of the most conservative,

and prestigious scientific
journals in the world.

With this note,

few readers will finish
without wondering
for at least a moment

if indeed ESP might be
possible after all.

What a difference
that would make to us all.

Jack Perkins, NBC News,
Stanford Research Institute,
California.

TARG: Ingo was really
the father of remote viewing
in the modern era.

Before Ingo, people were
describing the picture
in the envelope.

Square.

Good guess, but wrong.

-[ELECTRICITY BUZZING]
-[GROANING]

TARG: He said, "If I wanna
see what's in the envelope,
I'll open the envelope.

"I can focus my attention
anywhere on the planet.

"Give me something
interesting to look at."

PUTHOFF:
And he threatened
to quit.

And so we ask him,
"Well, what do you mean?
What would you like to do?"

And he says, "Just send
somebody out in
the San Francisco Bay area,

"and I'll describe
where they are."

SWANN: Well, it takes
a lot of gut to accept
a challenge like this.

The psychics involved

could sort of get into it

at a creative level,
and discover things
very distant from themselves

and then go find out
if they were really there.

Well, we had, by now,

thirty analysts,
not scientists,
in CIA,

and maybe six
or seven scientists
in CIA

talking about these
initial dozen or so results

of these anecdotal situations.

We began by speaking
of some kind of a psychic
armors race here.

Is there any real
application to this?

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

At that time,
there were rumors certainly

that the government
was doing something

But nobody actually knew
what was going on.

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

Why are the intelligence
communities chasing
after this thing

called remote viewing?

What if there are no secrets?

What's really going on here?

They had to put
resources on something
that sounded crazy.

That's what it was.

And we would all
talk about 'em and say,
"Well, I know I didn't lie."

"I know you didn't lie,"
and we get polygraphed
once in a while,

and it became clear
we weren't lying.

That wasn't the issue.

What's going on?

These people from CIA
were very concerned

They had one goal in mind.

To prove that it was nonsense.

"We've looked
into your background,

"you've had these
high security clearances,

"you've been polygraphed,
we know we can trust you..."

The Russians have been
spending millions of dollars
over a decade

at some of the best institutes
investigating so-called ESP.

No scientist in America
even believe there's
such a thing as ESP.

In fact, it was because
the Soviets had a completely
materialistic viewpoint,

even in Lenin's writings.

He said, "Since consciousness is inobservable, it must be physical."

And therefore, physical things must have consciousness.

And so he thought even atoms
had some level
of consciousness.

And then the question becomes
how close does it have to be
for you to see it?

Can you see it in this room,
or in the next?

Can you see anything
on the other side of town?

The question began
to start formulate
about distance.

Maybe, like everything else
that we know physically,

it's quantum mechanical,
that means it's spread out
everywhere.

It's not in space-time anymore.

So, exactly the same way
that I can focus
on my name being spoken,

there's something about
a tension that I can use

in order to narrow in
and pay attention to something.

So, if I want to pay attention
to what's happening

on Pluto a million years ago,

I should be able to do that.

That's kind of what
the remote viewers do.

I mean, Ingo Swann was looking at Jupiter nine months beforeVoyager got there,

and correctly describe rings
that no astronomer had
ever seen or even suspected.

So how did he do that?

Well, it suggests that
the rings of Jupiter was
in his head already.

This becomes a very materialistic way of thinking about what's going on,

but who cares? I'm interested in what the truth is.

We don't know how
to evaluate this.

We don't know
if it's a threat or what.

I would say the difference
between the American
scientific community

and the Soviet is that
at the highest levels

in the Soviet scientific
community, psychic research
is taken seriously,

and there's no doubt about it.

KOPPEL: And you claim,
in this country, it is not.

TARG: I would say,
in this county it's not,

because people are worried
about the so-called
giggle potential.

Our normal socialization,
being psychologists now,

is that stuff like
ESP is nonsense.
It can't happen.

So if somebody tells you
to do it, there asking
something stupid.

And they banged
a telephone book sized
thing down the table,

Paraphysics R&D, Warsaw Pact

from the defense
intelligence agency.

When I thumped through that
and saw all the work
that was going on...

MAN: So the CIA was tracking
all of these people?

Yeah, in this case, it was DIA.

Here is the report
that I finally wrote

that summarized
everything we could find.

At that time, it was called
Key Intelligence
question number 9.

I labeled it "Paraphysics",

I had to find a word that
allowed us, the foreign
technology division,

to sense that
there is a legitimate
physics connection here.

MAN: So let's just... randomly,
"government support
for parapsychic research"

-GRAFF: Paraphysics.
-Paraphysics.

"Returning with stories
of official government
support for such research."

In fact, such reports seem
unquestioned by anyone.

All of the Soviet centers,
of course, are government
funded.

1971..."

GRAFF: That's right.

So, especially over there,
since everything
was government funded,

you had to take it
more seriously.

In principle, this document
forms more policy than
anything else that goes on

in the intelligence community.

And why should the intelligence
community be interested in it?

To access information,
in a generic sense.

You can use it
for communication,

to place in submarines,
and that came up later.

I thought, you know, they'd
laugh me out of the room.

-MAN: So what was reaction
when you said that?
-GRAFF: Positive.

-You got a positive reaction?
-Yes.

They said, "Hey,
this is good stuff.
Follow it."

NARRATOR: When he wrote
his first report,

Dale Graff had no idea
what he was getting
Defense Intelligence into.

Despite a series
of remote viewing
experiments

that beat the odds
at over one million to one,

the CIA was still skeptical.

The Army, CIA, DIA...

They all had remote viewing
programs eventually.

But it all began
with the NSA break-in.

[WOMAN CRYING]

The real operational work
not with the bang
of bullets and bombs,

but with a whisper.

I'm sorry, actually,
I misdirected you.

You are on the right...
No, no, we should be up there.

About two psychics,
and two laser physicists,

that broke into
the most secret NSA site
that ever existed.

It was whisper that
would eventually be heard
around the world.

The CIA had a new
secret weapon.

There was a hiatus, and then
Sugar Grove came along.

And somebody says
this cockamamie thing,

"Well, now what we're doing is
we're doing remote viewing
by coordinates."

And I say, "What?"

NARRATOR: It was
code named SCANATE.

TARG: The SCANATE program
was started by Ingo Swann.

And in that program,
where we were using
remote coordinate viewing,

if you were described what was located at any geographical coordinate,

latitude and longitude,
and we'd then describe
what's there.

And they tell me what this is.

And I say something like,
"Well, you're gonna
have to prove that to me."

And the door opened
at the end of the hallway,
and a guy walks out.

"Could you give me
some coordinates?

Just map coordinates
of a place that you know."

He says, "This will do it."

He says, "I'm positive
you don't know anything
about what's there."

I said, "Perfect,
perfect, perfect."

I took him.

And then Kit gave
Harold those coordinates
that nobody knew about.

From this standpoint,
it's really a sexy target,
it's got all kinds of antennas.

It seems like
a very hush hush place,
very military,

and he drew how
things were laid out.

GREEN: The results
came back so specific...

...on paper,

that I was just like,

I was kind of nonplussed.

It included the diagram,
the guardhouse,

accordion doors that roll up,
big enough to put
a Jeep through.

Four storeys below, hallway,
cipher lock,

And I took it
to my colleague Dave,

who'd given me
the coordinates,

and I said, "Here."

He said, "Man! Green!

This is nonsense."

I said, "Are you really sure?"

And he said, "Man,

I gave you the coordinates
of the log cabin

I just built

in West Virginia."

So, I called up my colleagues,

and I gave them the results,

And I got sick of it.

And just before I hung up,

a fellow I was talking to,
who I can't name,

but whose initials
were Russ Targ...

[AUDIENCE LAUGHING]

...said, "Yeah, it's
really too bad.

It's really too bad.
Really too bad."

The other guy found
the same thing.

Early in the SRI program,
there had been some publicity

and Pat Price had read about it.

That happened to be right when
we had been asked to target
on the West Virginia side.

So it was over the telephone,

saying, you know, I used
to be police commissioner

or something like
that in Burbank.

And sometimes, I would
get intuitive flashes
about some crime scene

that we were working on,

It would turn out
I must be right.

Maybe I should be a subject.

SRI comes up with Pat Price.

He had a map over his desk

and he had a bunch of pins
on the map of the world.

And those pins were all
stuck in the ocean.

And I ask him. I said,
"Pat what are all those pins?"

They're just scattered
all around.

He said, "Oh, I'm following
all the nuclear submarines
in the world.

I move pins
when I relocate them."

For an intelligence officer
this would be one of the most
fundamental breakthroughs

in naval intelligence
if you could follow
all the submarines in the world.

Pat Price was brought
in independently

to describe the same
target location

and went on to read
documents hidden in a vault

three floors below the surface.

And so that's
really interesting.

"Okay, I'll talk...
What did you say?"

And I drove to the coordinates,

and I found the cabin.

And 100 meters down the road
I found a dirt road
from the cabin.

I drove down it,

found the guardhouse,

found the dish,
found the accordion door.

NARRATOR: This naval
installation's purpose

is to perform communications
research and development
for the US Navy,

the Department of Defense,

and various elements
of the US government.

I reported that.

It got to the office
of research and development,

it got to the office of OTS...

And there was, you know,
a huge controversy...

-I mean...
-It started as
a very small wall.

But what the person
who picked the target
didn't realize

was just right over the ridge, miles away,

was this super secret facility

for picking up Russian
satellite information

as it went overhead.

And so, both of them said,
"Ah, maybe that's what
they want us to describe."

In the 1960s, Sugar Grove
became one of the NSA's

most important Cold War
listing facilities.

And then the whole thing
blew up.

But remember, it was about
what was inside
that building.

File folders
with the following names.

I remember that
they were all associated
with the pool game.

like, playing pool
or billiards.

The filing cabinet
on the north wall
labeled Operation Pool Cue.

4-ball, 8-ball, rackup...

I'm saying, you know,
this is reminiscent

of his visit to the place
that Kit took him.

[CHUCKLES]

Within 24 to 48 hours,

I had security office
in my office at headquarters.

And they were grim-faced,
and they were upset.

They had been told...
I was told it's official.
It's been made public.

The filing cabinets were there,
they were green,
there were file folders,

and they had
the exact three names
on the file folders.

Now that was the first thing
that was important

is that they were correct.

However, those guys
out in California

got the code names. They got
code names that were part
of a special access program.

Not just code names,

they got special access
program code names

which were classified
top-secret,

the names were
classified top-secret.

We were then descended upon
by all the law enforcement
in the United States.

We had government agencies
from NSA and CIA

coming to visit us and find out why the CIA had targeted a group of psychics

to go spying on the NSA.

So, I didn't know whether
to be sick to my stomach,

or what to do.

So, it wasn't just Kit Green,
it was the owners of the site.

And some of it, like
some of the names
that I told you

turned out to be accurate.

And so, you know,
the first concern,
security leak.

Somebody has
let this information out.

INTERVIEWER: If I was
Director of Intelligence
or even President,

and I was briefed
on what you just told me
about code words,

I would think that this was
either a propaganda thing,

or I would think
that there's a guy

who could probably
look inside a nuclear
missile silo

and give me the launch codes.

And that guy is
really important,

and potentially dangerous.

It's either a hoax,
or it's real.

I know. Now, if you're
asking me where I sit,

it's in the latter.

What really is going on here?

Do we have a
counter-Intelligence issue

where people can
do this sort of stuff
against us?

And of course, the other side
of this, "Hey, can we do it
against somebody else?"

TARG: How would it be
if we spent half of our time
on operational targets,

for the CIA, and half
of our time doing research?

And he said, "I understand
what you wanna do.
That would be fair."

GREEN: Everybody knew that
there had to be some
foundational science

or this stuff would
never be accepted.

NARRATOR: Stanford Research Institute has been conducting an experimental program

in the field
of psycho-energetic effect.

I had Hal and Russ
bring Uri Geller to me.

who was supposedly one of the psychokinetic people

who could take a bend spoons,
and do other magic
kind of things with materials.

And we had
an experiment set up.

NARRATOR: Fifteen drawings
were placed in double-sealed
envelopes in a safe

for which none
of the experimenters
had the combination.

This is Gullers's
representation of what

he believed was sealed
in the envelope.

This is the most off-target
of the drawings that he did.

As you can see, he is
quite elated about getting
the right answer.

Hey, this is real.

Don't you try to debunk this.

Because it is
scientifically proven.

And I can tell you,
the agency did a little
background check

on Uri and find out that
he might be working

for some other government,
shall we say.

And so, he was distraught. There were security concerns...

The worry was...

...that there was national security information that could be gathered.

What he said was
that he mushed his head
into a safe,

and these words
popped into his mind.
[CHUCKLING]

When a CIA analyst reads this,
he says, "What?"

Does that mean if I have
a document on my desk

that I consider highly
sensitive and classified,

that there could be
some Russian psychic
a thousand miles away,

reproducing what
I'm looking at?

PUTHOFF: Suddenly the lights
came on,

and we had CIA money,
and fresh support
for our research.

I'll be working with you
in the same way,
sometimes 24 hours a day.

Our CIA handlers warned us
to be wary of bugs,

phone taps,
and even honey pots.

...personal problem to me.

We could see anywhere,
and they had
unlimited resources

to back up our claims.

We even had a degree of
fame among those in the know.

It was like a dream come true.

NARRATOR: With new funding,
and assignments from the CIA,

it seemed as if Hal and Russell could do no wrong.

What kind of place
do you experience them at?

Attorney General from somewhere in Northern California

came to us and said,
"Would you help us
with this case?

"She's been kidnapped."

TARG: The heiress
had been kidnapped
from her Berkeley apartment.

As we walked in, the police
were very excited

and they said, "We've
a lot of questions
we wanna ask you."

And Price said,
"Let me show you
how we do this.

"Let me see a mug book."

Then he put his finger
on Donald DeFreeze,

and said, "That's
the ring leader."

The Berkeley police said,
"We know, who he is.

"He walked away
from a minimum security
prison a year ago."

And he said, "You know,
this is not a regular
kidnapping for money.

"This is some kind
of political thing."

And then she's photographed
robbing banks

alongside him with an AK-47
or something like that

with the other crooks.

I get this image
of cross-hairs,
looking at cross-hairs.

Uh, we're getting closer.
It's more like an intersection.

He told where the car
that they had kidnapped her
in had been left.

TARG: Across a freeway,
are two large white
gas storage tanks.

And one of the detectives said, "Well I know where that is."

So the police came out,
and they actually
found the car.

And we went
to a shack they thought
might be a hideout.

I had the experience
of the detective handing me
a sidearm,

and said, "You know
how to fire a pistol?"

And I said, "I happen
to own an automatic.
Yes, I do."

So he didn't realize that
he's handing Mr. Magoo

an automatic so that
I could cover his back.

...handsome walking stick.

This is an assignment
outside my job description.

...continental flavor...

We were basically
detectives in the case,
on the street.

Boots on the ground,
so to speak.

Problem was that
the Berkeley police
did not cooperate

with the Alameda
sheriff's department,
the country sheriff,

and neither of them were
cooperating with the FBI.

It was only
after the entire thing
was resolved,

we found out that that indeed
was the area where
she was being kept,

and the layout in the apartment
was as he described

and in fact she was being
kept in the closet.

TARG: And we got a formal commendation from the Berkeley Police Department.

Unfortunately, a lot
of people got killed
in the meantime.

NARRATOR: They attracted
not only fans and
law enforcement...

CIA had gotten hold
of Soviet documents

in which our names
were in there as targets

and to be turned, if possible.

That's when we said, "Well,
we have to take

"this whole thing
very seriously."

And I began to feel frightened.

It felt like a penetrating
end to a dangerous area.

MAN: When he died,
he was on Las Vegas.
[ECHOING]

Medical circumstances would
admit to a coronary,

and would admit to what
he said he was suffering from,

which was poisoning,

particularly, he said,
a food poisoning.

Later on, somebody said,
"Well, you know,
the KGB did admit it."

And I said, "Oh yeah,
I hear these rumors,

"but I have no reason
to believe that."

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

MAN: ...State sponsored
assassination attempt.

Statements of
he Prime Minister.

NARRATOR: But now,
eight days on, Theresa May
came to the comment,

in her hands, one of the most remarkable statements

she's delivered
as Prime Minister.

THERESA MAY: It is now clear
that Mr. Skripal
and his daughter

were poisoned
with a military grade
nerve agent

of a type developed by Russia.

This is part of a group
of nerve agents
known as Novichok.

MAN: It causes suffocation
and heart failure.

PUTHOFF: I said,
"What do you mean?"

They said, "Well, there was
a TV program recently..."

I mean, this was a decade later,

where they were
interviewing an ex-KGB agent

who had been involved
with an assassination squad.

And the interviewer
had asked him,

"What do you do?
How do you carry out
an assassinating?"

"If we had somebody as
a target, we find out what
the medical profile was,

and then we would
do something

that would cause
that medical condition
to go south quickly.

And then it would just be
assumed a medical event.

And that way,
we wouldn't be found out."

And so the interviewer,
I'm told, I haven't seen his
program yet...

The interviewer said,
"Well, did you ever actually
use that approach?"

And he said,
"Yeah, once on a psychic.
He worked with the CIA."

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

They really do, for instance,
have a Soviet experiment
in remote strangulation.

[DOG BARKING]

NARRATOR: Larissa Vilenskaya was put in charge of monitoring

SRI's ESP work from Moscow.

VILENSKAYA:
Kamiensky was in Moscow,

and Nicolai was in Leningrad.

Kamiensky imagined
that he tried to
strangle Nikolai.

Nikolai was unaware,
he felt that
he couldn't breathe.

He was at the edge
of unconscious state.

And suddenly,
everything disappeared

just because Kamiensky
in Moscow stopped transmit
this image

MAN: I do solemnly swear...
and will to the best
of my ability m

preserve, protect, and
defend the constitution
of the United States.

So help me God.

TARG: I got frustrated
as I realized we may be
trapped in our own success.

Everything was now a secret.

I couldn't even tell my family,

our phones might be tapped.

MAN: There's something secret about this program. What is it with a secret program?

But we weren't
publishing anything.

We went to the CIA
handlers and said,

"Look, you gotta let us
publish some of these
experiments.

Everyone's beginning to say,
"Well, gee, maybe
it's a secret program."

So we got their permission
to put together

a series of our Bay Area
remote viewing experiments,
and publish them.

TARG: They wouldn't let us
publish the hot stuff

and they didn't care about the bigger implications of our work.

Maybe I had made
a deal with the devil.

I said have them go back
and get some work.

One of the obvious thing
was to do something
on the operational side.

So I started searching around

for a project that would
have some impact.

It was a research facility.
That was all that
we were gonna tell.

PUTHOFF: So this was
our very first,
number one Soviet site.

Pat Price was
remote viewing this case.

The CIA people came
and just gave us coordinates,

and said, "Look here."

And so he leans
back in his chair,

puts his glasses on,

and I'm looking at him,

and I'm saying to myself,
"Why does he put his glasses?"

He always said,
"I put my glasses on

"'cause I can see better
remotely when I got
my glasses on."

And I'm sitting there thinking,
"Yeah, okay."

TARG: We sat down
with our coffee, and I said,
"Here's the target, Pat,

"what do you see?"

Next morning, they came back
with a sketch.

TARG: And we showed him
the picture...

He said, "Well, I've got this
science fiction fantasy crane."

[AUDIENCE LAUGHING]

Well, we looked at that, and

you know, we were
quite frankly astounded
at the similarities.

TARG: And he unrolled
a big picture
of an R&D facility

and right in the middle
of this facility

was a photograph
of a giant gantry crane

So, the sketch on the left,

is what Price produced.

And this one is the one
that is derived
from the photographic...

Or from the sketch
from the photographic image.

He said, "Ah, this
is a huge crane,"

he said, "I saw somebody
walk by in it,"

and the guy only came
up to the axle

or something on the wheels or up to the top of the wheels.

"Pat, what do you see
about underground?"

He said,
"One of the big things
they're doing here

"is making these 60 foot
spheres out of steel."

They're actually 58 feet.

What I was told was
the analysts of Semipalatinsk

did not know about the gores.

TARG: They finally rolled out a 60-foot diameter steel sphere

that's part of
a containment vessel
for particle beam weapon

to shoot down American
surveillance satellites.

Exactly what Price described.

The end game is
this big review occurs

of all operations-oriented
testing from a contractor
like SRI should stop.

So in other words,
CIA's decision was
because of security concerns,

they were gonna cut out SRI
and work with Pat directly.

So they did so.

TARG: CIA moved Pat Price
to a farm in the outskirts
of Washington.

He was doing day to day
spying for the CIA.

We've broken into
some foreign embassies

in foreign countries,
and we bugged 'em.

And we have
the operational files.

So what we did
is we got Pat Price,

and we brought
one of the people

who had made this entry
into the room with Pat.

So we gave him
a photograph

of the outside of the building,

but the goal
of those operational people

was to find the code room

of the embassy,
and basically bug it.

So they needed
to get in the embassy,

find it, place a bug,
and get out

before the guards
opened up the next morning.

He supposedly located
the physical place
in the embassy

that was the coderoom area.

So, according
to the operations guy,

yeah, he found the place, and
they should use him again.

He was inside the code room.

[SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL
MUSIC PLAYING]

Sonning Court, Thames Street.

That's a... The Wizard
of Sonning Court.

MAN: Hello?

Hello, this is Russell.

-Come in.
-Thank you.

TARG: Uri Geller knows
a lot of our code rooms.

Uri says he spent a long time working for Assad.

So perhaps he knows
what happened
to Pat Price as well.

If you can tell me, what was the meeting about?

What were you doing
in the secret room
in the Capitol?

-Actually...
-You must have been
briefing somebody.

Yes, actually there were
probably two or three
shielded rooms

in different levels,
but it's actually
in the Capitol dome,

the shielded room.

It is a room where
no eavesdropping
can take place.

Because the walls
are leaded, etc.,
all kinds of materials,

even the plugs are different...

And... You know, it could
also be a wine cellar,

-so while doing secret work...
-That's fine.

...you can drink wine
and get drunk.

Okay. What I wanted...
The shielded room was
a perfect conversation.

Yes.

But I wanna talk to you
about the death of Pat Price.

And Pat comes in
with this description

of an underwater sabotage
training facility

several kilometers
away from the sea coast.

And that's the information
that passed on
to the Libyan desk.

They saw a facility,
basically, where he said,

that they haven't seen before
and few days later,
Pat Price died.

This was the end of Pat Price.

TARG: CIA hired
Price away from us.

And four months
after joining the CIA,
Price was dead.

GELLER: And the big question
is, was he killed,
or was it a natural death?

Like in the movies,
you wanna know did he jump
or was he pushed?

What do you think?

The emergency department
people said

that there was an individual
that came in with him,

with a briefcase who showed
the attending physician
in the emergency room

his recent EKGs from Greenbrier,

which was the facility
that I knew that we'd taken him

to get his cardiological
work-up some months ago,

and basically said, "Look here. The guy had rampant serious coronary artery disease.

He had a heart attack, so even
though he died unattended,

in a hotel room, they decided,
"they" meaning the hospital,

and the police, to not make it a medical examiner case.

So they didn't do an autopsy,
although that's not correct.

And the man disappeared
with a briefcase,
with the notes,

they never took it
any records of it,
body was removed,

and cremated,

and then they called his wife.

Yeah, wow.

Price was known
to have a heart condition

and he may have
had a heart attack.

That's it. Next?

The Russians
may have killed him.

And the third?

-My opinion...
-Yes.

...is that CIA
discovered quickly

they had a terrible problem...

NARRATOR: After Price's death,

it emerged that his church
may have been attempting
to blackmail the IRS

using classified documents.

There was a file cabinet
that's got a folder
full of his stuff in it.

This church had a problem
with the government.

He would go back
to his church officials,

and immediately give them
a debriefing of everything
that he said

and everything that I said...

Here the guy who was
walking on water
was a traitor.

I do not think he was a spy
for his church.

You know, I was shocked
and devastated,

because I had no idea
about this.

If he walks into
the President's office,
and reads the nuclear code,

if it turns out that Superman
is a double agent,

what do you do?

If he didn't understand,
and misinterpreted

what it was that he could tell
his confessor in his church,

I forgive him that.

That's not Pat's fault.

Knowing Intelligence,
knowing what's happening
around the world,

and having worked
for certain agencies,

I know a little more
about his story.

That's exactly why
I wanted to talk to you.

And people who are
so valuable,

are never taken out.

They tempt them
with amazing

circumstantial monies...

Dwellings, houses,
to work for them.

They would never...

This is like killing the goose
that lays golden eggs.

MAN: Devices, which would have enabled the CIA to this poison

for killing people...

Does this pistol fire the dart?

MAN 2: Yes, it does,
Mr. Chairman,

and a special one
was developed

which potentially would be
able to enter the target
without perception.

Well, the CIA had
a heart attack gun

-that was revealed.
-Okay now...

The CIA is not in the business
of killing people.

Well, they were in the business
of making a very complicated
killing machine.

And they got in lot
of trouble for that.

I saw Pat shortly before
he was killed.

-He was coming to see us.
-GELLER: Yes...

But before he left, he called several of his friends to say goodbye

in an odd way.

So, in short, he predicted
his own death.

And he purchased
a $1 million life insurance

to give to his wife Anne
at the airport.

You see, I didn't know that.
Interesting.

And he changed his trip
to visit his son

in Salt Lake...

GELLER: Maybe he had
the psychic feeling
that he was about to die.

He must have been one
of the greatest psychics
in the world.

Yes.

NARRATOR: Some army remote
viewers tasked themselves
on Price's death years later,

and decided he was still alive, and at work.

Of course, this was
just speculation.

This is entirely unmarked.

He deserves better than that.

[OPERATIC MUSIC PLAYING]

TARG: Shortly after that,
Hal and I were called
back to Washington

for an investigation.

NARRATOR: What the CIA
had hoped to squash
by eliminating SRI's contract

would only grow
after anAviation Week
article released

after Pat's death, perfectly matched his description of the gores of Semipalatinsk,

something no one else
in US Intelligence knew.

This shook the halls of power.

and set into motion new fears of Russian psychic spies.

The question is, "Why?"

What was happening
in July, August of last year?

TARG: The House Committee
on Intelligence Oversite

decided there must be
a security leak

that gave
the California psychics
the information

that no one in the rest
of the Intelligence
community had.

Actually, I was excited
about the opportunity
to brief them

because by this point
in our career,

the more people at high levels who knew about what we were doing,

the more support there was,
to make sure the program
went forward.

Unfortunately, we learn today
that these efforts by Russia

to discredit the US,
and weaken the West

are not new.

[REP. CHARLIE ROSE SPEAKING]

TARG: There were
four senators out there
fighting to keep it going.

What's next?

Are we looking
at a new Iron Curtain

descending across
Eastern Europe?

TARG: And we were supported
for another decade.

[OPERATIC MUSIC PLAYING]

One physicist said

there was no point
in teaching Physics anymore

because we'd learned
all there was to know.

And now we look back
and realize

that what we thought we knew
was the tiniest fragment.

NARRATOR: Although
the CIA publicly denigrated
the idea of remote viewing,

and claims to end
interest in this subject
after the death of Pat Price,

SRI's rising profile
led to partnerships
with every single branch

of the intelligence community.

Defense Intelligence Agency
took on a contract
with the US Army in 1978

MAN: It begins. But this being the Army, it really starts with a drill naturally.

NARRATOR: Over 3000 troops
in Fort Meade, Maryland

were screened
by army intelligence
to find the top six

that would spearhead
the program.

MAN: That first day
in the company...

NARRATOR: These were grunts,
regular guys.

Vietnam vets, picked
because they had a knack
for avoiding landmines,

and the CIA didn't like it.

It caused leaks.

The most decorated,
was Remote Viewer 001,

Chief Warrant Officer
Joe McMoneagle.

TARG: The Stanford Art
Museum was Joe McMoneagle's
first ever remote viewing.

We then did five
more trials with him.

Altogether, we did 36 trials
with the six army volunteers.

Of the 36 trials,
these officers were
able to get

19 first place matches
were one would expect
only six by chance.

The odds of such
an excellent result is
better than one in a million.

STEPHAN:
Joe got the Legion of Merit.

That is a very big deal.

It is the second highest
non-combatant award

that the military gives.

He has done more
live to tape remote viewings

than anybody else alive.

TARG: He lives
at the top of the mountain

where every great prophet lives.

NARRATOR: He was
the first to speak out

when parts of the program
were outed in 1995,

and subsequently
denigrated by the CIA.

MAN: It may have
helped locate
American hostages in Iran.

There were two or three others who were held away

from the embassy and
no one seemed to know
exactly where that was.

We were instrumental
in helping identify
that location.

I was paid to do remote viewing
by the US Army

for six straight years.

And indeed, he turned out to be
one of the most psychic people
we ever worked with.

You can actually
take out of thin air

information about something
you have no access to

just using your mind.

Remote viewing was first
brought to my attention
by Skip Atwater.

It occurred to me...

I had been nine or
ten years doing this
counter-intelligence work

when I said, "Colonel Webb,
I brought this book
called Mind-Reach,"

and if what they say
in this book is true,

there's a huge gap
in our counter-intelligence
effort here.

I left the book
Mind-Reach with him,

and the next day I came in,
and he says, "You're right.

"If this is true,
what's being said
in this book,

"this is something that
we aren't attending to."

This might, in fact, be a threat
to the Intelligence community.

TARG: One of our greatest
operational successes

was when Joe McMoneagle
pinpointed and described

an enormous Russian submarine
in a location where it was
totally unexpected.

There was a very
very large building.

We didn't have
enough Intelligence
by ordinary means

to know what is being
built inside that building.

MCMONEAGLE: The building
was hundreds of yards
from the water.

What I decided
through remote viewing

was that they were probably
constructing a new submarine.

And the submarine was unique
in that it had twin holes.

The holes were actually
stuck together this way.

So it was a twin-holed,
very wide submarine.

It was half a gan larger
than any submarine in existence
at the time.

It had dozens
of new capabilities,

and I said they're going
to launch in 120 days.

And this was all disagreed with
by the senior officer
from the CIA.

He made arrangements
to look at the area
114 days later.

And they in fact had launched the largest submarine

ever built in history.
It's called the TK-089,
the Typhoon class submarine.

The only response we got
from that individual was

it was a lucky guess.

And that individual was
Robert Gates.

Did you at any time feel
that this was worth
the tax payers' money?

Well, all I can say is,
that in the 20 years

or 25 years that I was
perhaps in a position
to be aware,

I don't know
of a single instance
where it is documented

that this kind of
activity contributed
in any significant way

to a policy decision or even
to informing policy-makers

about important information.

NARRATOR: In October 1983,

Secretary of Army John Marsh was briefed by Lt. Col. Busby of INSCOM.

His report stated
that 350 of 700
remote viewing missions

or 50% were deemed to possess intelligence value.

And 85% showed positive
evidence for remote viewing.

TARG: We probably
collected more intelligence
on that one submarine

in four days than
the entire Soviet Sub pact.

What you have to understand is

the program operated
year to year

based on its successes,
not its failures.

And the fact that it was
funded on a year to year basis,

speaks loudly as to why
it existed to 20 years.

And the chief proponent,
in terms of tasking,

or the one agency that probably
used more remote viewing
than any other agency,

was the CIA.

I'm familiar with that quote
that Gates, there's nothing...

We closed the program
because it didn't
amount to anything.

Let me just read this
one thing I've got here.

Joe got the Legion of Merit.

And Joe, upon
his retirement, got this.

"While with his command,
he used his talents
and expertise

"in the execution
of more than 200 missions,

"addressing over 150
essential elements
of information."

These EEI,
Essential Elements
of Information,

contained critical intelligence reported at the highest echelons of military,

and government, including
such national agencies

as the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DIA, NSA, CIA,

DEA, and the secret service

producing crucial and vital intelligence unavailable from any other source.

That would tend to suggest
that Gates was not
telling the truth.

MCMONEAGLE: We had
the total support of five
administrations in a row.

Carter stood up and said,
"We did this wonderful thing

"when they found
the Tupolev bomber."

And the reported said,
"How did you find it?"

He said, "We used our psychics."

TARG: We're on our way
to see President Carter

and talk with him
about our mission

to find a downed Russian
bomber in Zaire.

We helped him
pull the Soviet bomber
out of the jungle

before the Soviets
could find him.

Let's see if he'll
acknowledge that as he did
in his recent autobiography.

JIMMY CARTER: One time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa,

and we made it very much
to find out where
that plane had crashed.

And we were not able
to find it by surveillance.

So, the Director of the CIA

heard about
a woman in California

that was a medium or something. I don't know the title for her.

And she gave him
the latitude and longitude

of the plane's whereabouts.

We located the plane
where she said it was.

That's the only time
that I had ever experienced

something that was inexplicable while I was President.

One evening I'm
called into the office.

I was working late,
and they said,

"We understand that
you have some people
who can find things."

I said, "Yeah, I have
the SRI contractor.

They have people
on staff there."

They said, "Well, this is
really a top-secret,

burn before reading
kind of project.

Here's a picture
of an airplane that's missing.

And how can we get into Africa,

and get to the airplane before the Soviets get there?"

It was a defector.

He just took this airplane
south until he thought
it ran out of fuel,

and the airplane kept going.

But it still had fuel.

That's why they
couldn't find it.
It wasn't there.

I said, "Well, that's
because you're looking
in the wrong place."

Look over here.
[CHUCKLING]

By this time, an entire
intelligence community
was involved.

Um, she drew this.

So, I took the sketch...
This is the sketch,

and I handed it
to the search team.

And so I'm looking
at this huge map.

And it's 200 miles this way,
200 miles down,

She looks at that map,
and goes up to the map,

"Over here. Here's where it is."

The pin went into the map.

They sent a helicopter
out to investigate the area,

and shortly after they landed,

a native comes
out of the jungle,

carrying a piece of metal.

It turned out it was from the airplane that crashed.

And it was within about a mile of where it was... Where the actual site was.

All of the information
was in the field
before the airplane was found.

And the CIA did a special
check on that to make sure,
and so did NSA

to make sure that my story
did hold water.

The information was there
before we knew where it was.

NARRATOR: The woman who
drew the sketch referenced
Dale, and President Carter,

was an Air Force officer.

She, and an SRI remote viewer,

also crucial
to the case's success,

have never come forward.

The research out of SRI
showed that remote viewing

had no predictable
scientific limits,

or even theories to explain it.

As the team racked up
success after success,

higher and higher
up the chain of command
the question was asked,

how can any of this
even be possible?

I said, "Well, we've done
this remote viewing experiment,

and the results
are significant."

He said, "One of those guys
is blind, and the other one
is crazy."

-[LAUGHING]
-The perfect team
for examining psychic abilities.

That's what I thought.
Oh boy.

There's, of course,
no way to deal with people
who don't want to know.

A storm starts brewing,

and then we get a new
Director of office of
Research and Development.

He could not accept the reality
of paranormal activity.

He said he knew
that this was not real.

And a guy in the back
of the room jumped up and said,
"I know what this is.

"Somebody's taking notes to see
which of us is gullible,

"whoever is taking notes,
I want you to know,
I'm not buying any of this."

And he marched out.

A week later, I came back,
and I said,

"Did you evaluate it.
Can you tell me
what you thought about it?"

He said, "No,
I didn't evaluate it."

And he said, "I'm not going to."

And I said, "What?"

We're fundamentalists.

There may be something to it,

but it may be demonic.

[AUDIENCE LAUGHING]

We don't want anything
to do with this.

"You are working with people

"who are in league
with the devil, and you are part
of the Antichrist movement."

And I picked up the data
and walked out.

Deniers who think
there is no consciousness
beyond our skulls,

are a powerful force
in American society,

are anti-science,
because they do not
respect or accept facts.

They are people whose
world view is based on faith,

of a very particular kind

and belief in dogma.

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

It is about dogma. Absolutely.

From a religious standpoint,
all the way down...

I mean, people
that are afraid of it,

which is half the people
in the planet.

So damaging, it's...

I had a senior senator
in camera

in a meeting in camera
stand up and say,

"You, sir, are doing
the work of the devil,

"and you will burn
into fires of hell."

And walked out.

That's a senior lawmaker.

And in the same meeting
when we broke for coffee,

I had another senior lawmaker

hug me and whisper in my ear,
"You're doing God's work, son."

Now which one
scares you the worst?

I think psi research
is important, because it's

an essential part of reality

which science hasn't
yet taken note of.

Furthermore, there's a lot
of misconception around it.

People just assuming
without any proof,

that there's no such thing.

It's just a piece of dogma.

And science should
not be about dogma.

How many people say
they've witnessed things

that do not fit within
a materialistic paradigm?

And then they're told
you're deluded,

because "your experience
doesn't conform to our dogma."

This is so
fundamentally anti-scientific,
it's utterly appalling.

So, once again this troubled me
because I love science

and I respect this tremendous
evolution of science
over the last 400 years.

But when people speaking
with the authority of science

say, for example, that all
experiences can only be
functions of the brain,

and if you have any experiences that cannot be explained

within a materialistic paradigm,
you're deluded.

Then this is dehumanizing,
arrogant, pompous,
and close-minded.

And those terms
should never come
in the same paragraph

of defining and
explaining science.

When the evidence just
gets to be overwhelming,

and the groundswell here
is growing.

I would say before too long,
if you'd still insist

that the mind
is nothing more than
emergent property of the brain,

it would be widely recognized,
you are just ignorant.

And the key point about Physics,

is Physics is always evolving,
and knowledge of physics
is always expanding.

And phenomena which people
reject as impossible today,

may not be rejected
as impossible tomorrow

because tomorrow, we'll have
a more extensive theory
of physics.

HOST: Enter this next
wonderful reality,

and the most controversial
of the people,

and it shocked me,

that they found it
anything to object to.

This is a hardcore scientist.

I'm very happy to be here.

My name is Russell Targ,
and I'm a physicist,

and it's my great pleasure
to tell you about
the remarkable work

we do at Stanford Research
Institute investigating
psychic abilities...

[THRILLING INSTRUMENTAL
MUSIC PLAYING]

TARG: I had a small
Wikipedia biographical page

which described that
I was born in Chicago,
went to Columbia,

worked with Hal Puthoff
on this pseudoscience
called remote viewing.

So we had a chance
for fish and chips
and a cup of tea.

We must be
in England finally.

MAN: That's right. [LAUGHING]

This is the time when I was ill,
and I didn't want
my biography to be

that one-dimensional.

So I wrote in that
I had been a pioneer in
the development of the laser,

published many many papers
in lasers,

and the Wikipedia masters
kept erasing
all my laser papers.

They said to me,
"People are not interested
in your laser work.

"We just wanna know
about your work
with the pseudoscience."

And I said,"Well, most
of my life has been
spent with lasers."

And they wouldn't allow me to do that. They banned me from Wikipedia.

And finally I got a helper
Brian Josephson

and only through
Josephson's intercession

that I got to bring
my biography up to speed.

Do you think that consciousness
is built into quantum theory?

This, of course,
is extremely heretical.

But fortunately,
I not only got tenure,

but I've retired, so
I don't need to worry
about being a heretic.

[INDISTINCT CONVERSATION]

Anyway, are these
taking your pictures?

You're being interviewed,
are you?

I was, yes.

-You were?
-Yeah.

Okay, what's it to do with?

Well, it's for some
research work.

-A what?
-Research work.

-Research something?
-Yeah.

Okay.

TARG: So you're finally
able to tell
the complete truth.

Well, actually, people
would probably not contemplate

getting rid of
a Nobel Prize winner.

So I had more or less freedom
in what I could do.

Funding was a different matter.

They actually
told certain people,

"We'll fund you if you
work with anybody
other than Josephson."

-Doc!
-Will you stop it?

I'm not crazy!

Make them rescue me
before it's too late.

[SCREAMING]

By and large, the critics
who've been interested
in our work

to come to our laboratory,

we have asked them
to take parts in experiments

and experience
remote viewing themselves,

which is often
very accurate indeed.

[YELLING]

NARRATOR:
One of the biggest skeptics

was Undersecretary of Defense Walter LaBerge

who kept hearing leaks about
the mad scientists
of Menlo Park.

So he decided to pay a visit
in his Air Force helicopter,

landing on the SRI campus lawn and causing quite the dust-up

to Hal and Russell's
low profile.

Although he
thought it ridiculous,

LaBerge allowed himself
to become a subject.

and despite no prior
psychic experience,

he correctly and
in great detail, imagined
where his attache was hiding.

He then became
one of the team's
biggest supporters,

along with other senators,
congressmen and generals,

who dropped in on the lab
and got similar results.

It was becoming apparent that this was a common ability,

but how could they show that
when it was all secret?

Their first clue
to how common
intuitive abilities are

came when a remote viewer
didn't show up for work.

PUTHOFF: So I had a chance to go to San Jose, Costa Rica,

center of
a mountainous country.

And then each day, a remote
viewer back in California
would describe what happened.

On a particular day,
I had a chance to do a trick.

I got an airplane, I flew out and landed on an island

that belonged to Colombia.

It also turned out
that in that day,

the remote viewer
didn't show up.

So, Russell decided, "Okay,
I'll do the remote viewing."

What can I do?

So Russell is trying
to suppress this data,

but it just keeps coming in.

He says, "Okay,
I guess I'm wrong,

"I have no reason to be
in an airport,

"and not only that, I see ocean
at the end of the runway."

And I know there's ocean
that's miles away in San Jose,
Costa Rica.

One fact, that's exactly where I was 'cause I had taken a little side trip.

MAN: Did you actually
take that picture?

Somebody else took the picture,

who, when we had this data,

they went out and took it
from the same angle.

Portraying that even a scientist
could do good remote viewing.

NARRATOR: This led
to a request
from their CIA handlers

to bring in someone
with absolutely
no psychic ability,

to get a baseline
against their best.

That didn't work out so well.

She was statistically the best results they ever had,

even better than
the infamous Pat Price.

TARG: We were asked
to bring in somebody

who was willing
to be a control person
for the program,

and I chose to work with
Hella Hammid

who was an old friend
of the family.

She promised me
she had never done
ESP experiments before,

and she would be
very happy to be
part of our program.

This is a remote viewing
experiment with Russ Targ
and Hella Hammid.

Today is Friday,
October 11th, 1974.

It's 20 minutes
to four int he afternoon.

Russ Targ and Hella Hammid
are in the first floor
laboratory at SRI.

Hal has left SRI. He will select a randomly chosen destination.

HAMMID: Hal is looking up

at the structure
that must be

three or four stories high.

A weird zigzag, uh...

going horizontally like
a series a mountains,
sort of peaks

on top of each other.
Can be just shapes.

This is just where Hal Puthoff was standing

at the time of Hella Hammid
very first remote viewing.

NARRATOR: Perhaps the most
dangerous secret of all,

the one that Russell Targ
has worked his whole life
to release,

is that anybody can be psychic.

And we have a target now
that requires a drawing,
or a description.

So, I'd like you to
quiet your mind

and make a little sketch
of the surprising images
that show up in your awareness.

You want to get on paper
the shape and the form

pertaining to Paul's location.

You have Paul,
and Cynthia in
a bright green dress,

located at some
interesting place.

[WATER RUNNING]

Do we have any
falling water
in the audience?

WOMAN: This is
the waterfall
coming down.

MAN: The whole page is
the waterfall.

My primary purpose
in coming to this conference

is to actually see what
I can do to become
a world-class remote viewer.

I couldn't believe it,

but it's different when...

It's different when you
actually do it.

I have no formal training.
It's really about sending
a message across

to people that
if you put your mind
and heart to something,

you know, it's...

Everything is possible.
The world is your oyster.

When a whole room of people
are able to do that,

it's not just me,
it's not just my imagination,

it's all of us.

You know,
it's the science part of it.

Everybody really wants
hardcore data.

LIM: I think there's still
a question of what it means
to be really human,

and what it means to be a, you know, a proper human being, whatever that might mean,

and what is the essence
of who we are.

And I think that if the world
actually had an access
to that answer,

I think it would
change everything.

So it looks pretty good.
I'll meet you at Las Vegas.

TARG: Psychic abilities
are real, and you have
these abilities.

And now we've got
a free ESP tester
on the internet.

By the time we finished
we knew more about
our remote viewers

than NASA knew
about its astronauts.

There's nothing
different about them at all.

These are just normal people.

Like musical ability,

you've got virtuosos
at one end of the scale,

you've got tone-deaf people
at the other.

No, it's just in our culture no one values "ESP functions."

It's just being human
is basically what it's
all about.

NARRATOR: Could it be that
psychic ability is much more
common than we think?

Even internal agents at the CIA back in 1975 were secretly doing it,

according to original
program manager
Ken Kress.

Now it turns out
a couple of people
around OTS,

a lady by the name of Francine
and a man by the name of Ed,

they decided they wanted
to be subjects.

Subjects.

And they were
CIA employees now.
They were not SRI employees.

Actually got them involved
with a Libyan analyst.

I got gibberish I remember
from Francine, but

you know, Ed was an engineer.

So he comes up like Pat
with very specific stuff.

He says,
"What I see is a Soviet

"radar that is involved with
an air defense system."

You know, he goes on and on
about all this stuff.

So I package all this stuff up,
send it to the Libyan analyst.

He says, "You know,
we have an agent

"that we have not vetted
who says

"similar things."

And I said...

[CHUCKLES] You know,
"That's news to me."

TARG: See,
when they were with us,

it was not clear if they had
come to see if there's
defects in our model

or were they come to be trained,
or both.

Yeah, well,
there may have been
a slight, uh,

subterfuge, shall we say,
in the...

I might have sent them
out there as evaluators,

and they may have been
motivated as participants.
[LAUGHS]

TARG: By 1981 the program
had become more and more
operational.

The government
was less and less
interested in research.

I wanted to be free
of all this secrecy.

Which, from a scientific
standpoint was not so good,

but on the other hand,
of course, from a funding
standpoint, can't complain.

TARG: When I brought that
to our contracting officer,

and he said,
"Russ, you know we're not
doing research anymore."

And I said, "Well, will you look at this? Will you think about what we're doing?"

He said,
"I'm not paid to think.

I'm paid to find out what
the CIA wants you to do,
and then see that you do it."

I was heartbroken.

Hal and Ingo were
more secretive than ever.

And now Ingo was in charge of the Army psychics

and had made the program
so complicated
that only he could teach it.

And I got a note from
my partner, Hal, questioning
whether I was really

making a contribution
to the program.

NARRATOR: What the most
interesting data at SRI
pointed to,

was exactly why
Russell wanted to leave.

It was a secret so big
he felt that if the general
public could truly get it

it might bring enemies together, and it might even change the world.

Russell was kind of
the idea man,

with all his kind of
pushing the bad scientist
type of thing,

where, actually looked the part to some degree.

PUTHOFF: When I decided
to leave
this wasn in 1985.

We had dozens of psychics,
and lots of laboratories,

people out there as consultants
and so on.

And I ended up spending all my time not doing research,

but handing personnel issues,
and funding issues,

and writing grants
and proposals.

I had to get up in the morning
and say, "Well, you know,

actually, I could be
getting back to research."

Mr. Gorbachev,

tear down this wall.

TARG: I say
no more secrets.

NARRATOR: SRI's intelligence
work with psychics would
go on for another decade,

mostly unnoticed,
until one of their greatest
covert triumphs

became their most
infamous leak.

TARG: Remember
Jimmy Carter's telling

of finding the downed
Russian bomber in the Congo?

In 1995 President Carter
recounted that,

during a talk
to Emory University,

accidentally outing our top secret program to CNN.

REPORTER: Students submitted questions on numerous topics, both serious and lighthearted,

and, as always,
President Carter
answered them all.

TARG: The release
of that information
contributed to the end

of the remove viewing
program at SRI.

NARRATOR: After Russell
and Hal left the program,
it continued under Ed May,

but eventually it confronted
the giggle factor.

So I would ask
the intelligence community
to watch what we do

for the next few years and...

NARRATOR: The CIA publicly
derided the Army-run program.

And in the end,
they were asked to
take it on again.

It's a pretty low priority for
the intelligence community, and
it's better done on the outside.

NARRATOR: Instead,
the commissioned
a third party report to,

"see if it had been valuable
to operational intelligence."

And that's our report
for tonight.

KOPPEL: So, what do all these
stories add up to?

Well, the two experts
commissioned by
the CIA report disagree.

First there's psychologist
Ray Hyman from
the University of Oregon.

My considered judgement,
if someone would push
me hard right now,

I'd have to say the odds are
99 to one that there's nothing
to remove viewing.

I think remote viewing
has been demonstrated
over the 20 years

of work that's been
sponsored by
the government...

Ed May was very upset
by at the way the AIR
report was done,

and he was very upset that
they did not look at
the operational remote viewing,

and that they did not
allow us to talk to
the operational remote viewers.

I think he was quite
disappointed that they
narrowed the focus so much

so that really it
might have been

a predetermined conclusion
that they wanted to kill
the program.

I think that anybody who says we haven't proven it yet hasn't really looked at the data.

I think, frankly,
people don't want
to look at the data.

They have their world views.
They don't want those
world views rocked.

I think anybody who
looks at it with a real
open mind would be convinced.

I became 100% certain
that it was

real acquisition of information.

I became 100% certain
that it had potentially real

intelligence significance.

And I became 100% certain
that it never would.

INTERVIEWER: Why?

What I thought were the issues
that would make this
a useful tool

were both ignored, denied,

and in addition,
later dropped,

which is screening of subjects
to find the superstars.

ANNOUNCER: You're tested
carefully to find your
special talents.

GREEN: Using the tools
that I thought
we had identified

which were politically not
correct then to use,

and which are politically
possible to use today...

ANNOUNCER: There you go.
Well, you're here.
Really arrived.

You can loosen up a bit now.

You would have
a latent ability,

that maybe a lot of humans have,

that you'd be able to
tease out of some people
with some sort of

training program or something,

and you'd end up
with what ended up.

UTTS: After we did our
report, a few months later,
maybe a year later,

I received a phone call
from somebody who worked
high up in the government

and he wanted to know
if this was for real.

And I said,
"I sand by what I wrote
in the report."

And he said, "Well, I'm gonna
see if I can get access to
the operational work."

He called me back and said,
"You got access to it," and none
of the boxes had been opened.

NARRATOR: Jessica's
the president of the American
Statistical Society,

and she says by the numbers, remote viewing has a higher efficacy than aspirin.

What was the CIA trying
so hard to hide

that they wouldn't even allow
their best data to be seen?

Any why did the CIA just like
those regular Joe Army guys
so much?

We had the total support
of five administrations
in a row.

Five straight administrations
supported us, Russell.

Privately.[LAUGHING]

So it was a very illuminating
trip. You never know who
your friends are.

Since I was told by the DCI
the project was over,

that was it,
it was over.

NARRATOR: Ken was removed as CIA program manager shortly before Pat Price's death,

and he assumes that CIA
involvement ended
with Price.

Though, I heard that they were
discussing the Stargate program
out of channel.

In other words,
if you're talking about
a classified program

in an unclassified area,

it looks like a security
violation, you need to
investigate this further,

now what?

The gamble was,
ignore it, it would go away.

The suggestion to me was,
okay, let people just
wonder about it.

But if you started complaining
about it, it will affirm
that we do have a program.

They didn't really want
to go that route.

NARRATOR: Russell's first
interview with one of
the most spectacular

spies from his SRI days
was a no show.

Later the agent called
to say they were still
doing it,

and were afraid
to talk about it.

Beyond the giggle factor
what was the big deal?

What does all of this mean?

Could we be missing
the big picture here?

And... No, that's not right.

I told you before, um...

Two... Two people that I trust
that are...

One of whom is in
a position to know, says that
the program's still going on.

NARRATOR: Really?

Just how useful is
remote viewing?
How far would Russell go

to tell the world
what had become
painfully obvious to him?

This is something that Russell was inspired to consider

after witnessing Ingo
predict that Chinese A-bomb
test three days in advance,

and similar work
by Stephan Schwartz,

and it involved precognition,
or seeing the future.

The final straw was when
he received a package in
the mail

from the ghost of an old friend

regarding some water towers that had haunted him for years.

PAT: I get the impression
of a water treatment plant.

It looks like, uh,
water storage tanks.

There's a service room
down here.

NARRATOR: In Pat Price's
first series of experiments

he got the shape and dimensions of this swimming pool target within 12 inches,

but he also called it
a water treatment plant,

even drawing
water towers,

which missed the whole
point of the target.

TARG: Years after
Pat Price's death

I received a historical
picture book.

It was a gift from
the city manager
of Palo Alto.

That when I opened
the picture book
to Rinconada Park,

Seventy-five years ago
it had been
a water purification plant.

And the two water tanks
that Price had indicated

indeed were right
where he put them

and the would undoubtedly have been the tallest thing the city of Palo Alto

75 years ago.

With Pat's reminder
of timeless awareness in hand

I hatched a plan to ditch
the spy business

and try and wake up the world.

At nine. Seven bid at nine.

NARRATOR: This is
the commodities exchange
in New York City, circa 1983.

It was right here Russell
Targ's new company, Delphi,

decided to tell
the world they were psychic.

TONY WHITE: We'd been
predicting silver prices
two to four days in advance.

Our investors made profits
in the middle six figures.

TARG: Something I couldn't
do while I was a psychic spy.

NARRATOR: Predicting the
volatile market nine times
in a row

even landed them on the cover
ofThe Wall Street Journal.

MAN: Nine times
out of nine.

Again, being right
in anything in life
nine times out of nine

is unheard of.

But some of the more
spectacular
and successful trades

were actually
on the short side.

They were making a prediction
in anticipation of the market
coming down,

so going against the trend.

TARG: But there's still
elements that are
not understood,

so it does not always work,

so I wouldn't put my life savings behind a remote viewing of the future.

NARRATOR: Investor demands
and the weight of their
own success

led to the second round
not doing as well.

Money dried up
and the skeptics pounced.

Russell would have to
go even further
to prove his point about ESP.

A lot farther.

TARG: When they first
invited me to come, their
letter to me said,

"Please come to
the Soviet Union so we
can exchange propaganda."

I didn't have a big concern
about that. I trusted Russell.

GREEN: He went through
the process of
asking permission.

I assumed that.
Actually I'm quite confident
of that,

because had he not done so,
he would be in jail.

No, I did not ask any permission
to go to Russia. I just went.

Of course they can't
reveal secret information.

I declared my independence
and left.

They said, "Is there
anything you'd like to see,
as long as you're here?"

I said, "Oh, yes.
I would like to have a peek
at Brezhnev's office."

I would just like to
see where he sits.

We were once targeted
to describe

Premier Brezhnev's office
in the Kremlin
with Hella Hammid.

Who was
the control person initially?

That's right.

And indeed it's just
as she described it.

There's this odd
red leather door

held in place by
upholstery tacks,

a huge desk on the right,
window on the left,

and a door in the wall
behind the desk.

We did not go downstairs
into the computer room.

When we were talking to
the Soviet Academy of Sciences

for example, a physicist got up,

and said, "It seems that if
a experienced viewer can
focus his or her attention

anywhere on the planet,
then it's not possible
to hide anything anymore.

Isn't that true?"

TARG: And the Russians
in the audience were quite
shocked with that.

I could hear
the teacups rattling.

The very idea of secrets
is not our true nature.

Openness is.

40 years ago I stood in
this exact place.

I don't think anyone
really expected Russian
and American

scientists to work together.

[DIXIELAND JAZZ PLAYING]

YURIY: 1987
and I start teaching
remote viewing in Russia

And no one in Russia knew
about this on that moment.

NARRATOR: Yuriy is on of
the Russian psychologists
Russell met on his travels.

And now he's
come out of the cold,
and brought some friends.

YURIY: When I decide to go
to United States of America
to take training

from Russell Targ.
It was a first
for Russell Targ.

TARG: Little did I know
when I left SRI the Russians
would become capitalists.

Nowadays the Russians
are invading.

Having watched the end
of the Soviet Union as
a cadet at West Point

and then fast forwarding
to today, um,
I'm a little bit lost.

YURIY: Now, Russian people
were very enthusiastic
about remote viewing.

[SASHA SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

TARG: Remote viewing
instructor Lori Williams

has brought a group of 20
Russian doctors and engineers
to Los Angeles

to learn remote viewing
for themselves.

[MAN SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

So the event she was
asking about
had already occurred.

[MAN SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

Well, I got a phone call
from a man that, uh,

with a strong Russian accent,

and he was asking me
if I would be willing to teach
remote viewing to Russians.

We are not remote viewing yet.

[SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

LORI: And so when he called
and said, "Why don't we do
something in Los Angeles?"

Then it just sort of
grew from there.

We started planning this
about a year ago, this class
in Los Angeles.

We're gonna do
a quick review.

[SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

LORI: Okay, so the students
all received
individual targets.

So no one's reviewing
someone else's target.
They've all go their own.

And we've actually been
working on these targets
for four days.

By viewing something
repeatedly, like, it creates
a memory path to the target.

It makes it easier to view.

[SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

[TRANSLATOR REPEATING
IN ENGLISH]

LORI: Something involving
space or the universe?

TRANSLATOR: Space, space.

EDGAR MITCHELL: Humans have
been asking these
deep questions

about the nature of their reality, and these are just using the tools of our society

to ask these deep questions
in a different way.

The ancients did to
with what they had
available to them.

The scientific model
has to change continuously
to accommodate our knowledge.

And if we're learning more,

then we have to fit that in
to our bigger picture
of understanding reality.

[MAN SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

LORI: So here's
a sketch right there.

[TRANSLATOR REPEATING]

LORI: You thought it was
the moon?

This is a very kinesthetic day
today. They're gonna be
using their hands

creating 3D models
of the target using

Sculpey clay,
modeling clay.

[SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

[TRANSLATOR REPEATING]

TRANSLATOR: What does
a spider have?

Legs?

TRANSLATOR: Legs, yeah.

He called him Armstrong.

He said,
"That's Neil Armstrong."

Is that it? That's all?
Are you ready for your feedback?

SASHA: Da.

Okay. Hold on
to your seats folks,

'cause this was
the Apollo 11 trip
to the moon.

[SASHA SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

TRANSLATOR: Apollo
moon landing.

LORI: Apollo 11 trip to
the moon with Neil Armstrong.

[APPLAUSE]

[TRANSLATOR SPEAKING RUSSIAN]

LORI: Now that's truly what
we refer to
a "holy shit" moment.

[ALL LAUGHING]

EDGAR MITCHELL: Well, fundamentally we're talking about interpreting what we see.

And I think all of us,
for centuries,

and certainly all
the astronauts

that have been off the planet and looked back at earth,

We kinda call it
the big picture effect,

seeing things in
a new perspective.

Seeing Earth in
the perspective of
being in the heavens.

And that we're just
a small part of this
huge universe that we're in.

I had completed my
major task for going
to the moon,

and was on my way home,

and was observing the passing
of the heavens.

The magnificence
of all of this

put this trigger
in my visioning.

In the ancient Sanskrit
it's calledsamadhi.

It means you see things
with your senses the way
they are,

but you experience them
viscerally and internally
as a unity

and a oneness
accompanied by access.

We are stardust.

And we're all one
in that sense.

In other words,
instead of just serving self,

what it tends to help you do
is to realize you're a part
of a larger reality,

and to serve that larger reality
in a proper way.

INTERVIEWER: That's beautiful.

SKIP ATWATER: So I'm not
so sure it was

all about collecting
intelligence and
how well we did.

The evolution of consciousness
itself is

expanding.

Consciousness itself
can evolve,

and I believe that's probably
towards what I call empathy.

TARG: The main idea
from all of our research

is that there is no separation,

especially no separation
in consciousness.

More than machinery,
we need our humanity.

MAN: If the world
were to accept this research,

we would have to recognize that we are not isolated within our brains.

We would have to recognize
that we live

in the earth, not on the earth,

we live embedded
in the biosphere of earth,

and that all consciousness
is interconnected,

and interrelated.

And that's why we can
transmit the power of love,

the power of healing.

Maybe it's very subliminal,

but it definitely exists.

TARG: We came across this
and said,

"You know, there's a lot of
people who'll think
you're nuts."

[LAUGHS] But, you know,
maybe you're not.

We should all be open
to our imagination,
because once and a while

some of the imaginations
will come true.

So I think it's time to
close up and move on.

TARG: So Hella returned to Los Angeles to resume her life as a professional photographer.

She died of cancer in 1992.

NARRATOR: But not before
she uncovered the lost temple
of Alexandria, Egypt,

with Stephan Schwartz
and the Egyptian Government.

They placed the first stake
within 12 inches

of where it had been buried for thousands of years,

and put the skeptics to rest,
at least for that day.

ANNOUNCER: She was given
no information beyond
the general hilltop location.

SWANN: Things are
going to change
because science is changing.

TARG: Ingo took the closing
of the Army program hard
and went into seclusion.

We reconnected in later years and had a chance to talk about old times.

SWANN: I'm going to talk about
the future,

because I think we're
far too much
trapped in the past.

[ORCHESTRAL MUSIC PLAYING]

And Sam got
very talented cellists

who had not remote viewed.

They went into
an expanded state
and got impressions.

They then took it up
to the composers.

I was hearing like...

Two not opposing but
interrelated forces.

Triplet up and down.

NANCY SMITH: What was the feedback? Well they didn't know what was in the envelope.

SAM SMITH: It's very,
very close,
very descriptive of bugs,

So a point...
Playing it, listening to it
kinda makes you itch.

[CHUCKLES]

NARRATOR: Kit Green says he still consults for the CIA.

You know, Green,
think, think, think, think.

And I have,
I've thought about it
for many years.

I'll give you the answer.

The most precious secrets
are hidden in plain sight.

That's a stupid expression,
but you know what,
it happens sometimes to be true.

NARRATOR: He told me
he collaborates regularly
with Hal.

But on what
neither one of them will say.

Yeah, yeah.
I've got it going through me,

if you can see.

NARRATOR: Hal, put off,
resigned from the SRI
remove viewing program

at the height of its success.

But he did go back to
remote viewing at least
one more time.

TARG: Hal repeated my
silver forecasting experiment
for his child's high school.

He raised $25,000
on the stock market

for a class field trip
to Washington.

Then he went back to
seeking to extract energy

from the vacuum
in his Austin laboratory.

Well, we got our hands
in every pie.

NARRATOR: It turns out
Kit and Hal
really were collaborating.

Kit brought Hal into
a top secret Pentagon
UFO assessment program

revealed in December 2017
byThe New York Times.

Oh, and Hal says they've
recovered UFO debris.

But that's another story.

TARG: Pat Price's grave
in North Hollywood
remains unmarked.

And his death
remains a mystery.

NARRATOR: And as for Russell Targ, he continues to tell his story,

showing people just like
you and me around the world
that we're all psychic.

At the end of the film the say,
"No animals were harmed
in the making of this film."

So I'd like to ask you
is it fair to say

that no physics were harmed
in the making of this film?

Physics isn't,
but physicists might be.

[MUSIC ENDS]