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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,862 --> 00:00:05,413 -Whoa. -Whoa. 2 00:00:05,448 --> 00:00:07,620 Oh, that is so steep. Don't look. 3 00:00:07,655 --> 00:00:10,310 [Josh] My team heads to the deserts of New Mexico, 4 00:00:10,344 --> 00:00:15,344 to investigate one of the most compelling UFO encounters in American history. 5 00:00:15,379 --> 00:00:18,000 This is the case that changed everything. Right here. 6 00:00:18,034 --> 00:00:21,448 [Josh] Where local law enforcement report a bizarre craft. 7 00:00:21,482 --> 00:00:23,931 [Pablo] They saw a great, big spaceship... 8 00:00:23,965 --> 00:00:26,551 [Josh] Piloted by extraterrestrial beings. 9 00:00:26,586 --> 00:00:29,137 One of them turned and faced him and scared him. 10 00:00:29,172 --> 00:00:30,793 I was... 11 00:00:30,827 --> 00:00:32,482 It's steep up here. 12 00:00:32,517 --> 00:00:34,310 [Jessica] Trying not to fall off the edge. 13 00:00:34,344 --> 00:00:35,896 [Josh] And according to some... 14 00:00:38,793 --> 00:00:40,275 ...they have returned. 15 00:00:40,310 --> 00:00:44,482 Different nuclear military operations made this kind of a hot-bed 16 00:00:44,517 --> 00:00:46,000 for UFO sightings. 17 00:00:46,034 --> 00:00:49,034 -Jess, get over here. -[Jessica] Let me see, let me see. 18 00:00:49,827 --> 00:00:51,758 Check that out. 19 00:00:51,793 --> 00:00:53,655 [Phil] What the... [bleep] 20 00:00:53,689 --> 00:00:54,965 What is this? 21 00:00:56,206 --> 00:00:58,137 [Josh] UFOs Over New Mexico. 22 00:00:59,034 --> 00:01:01,827 My name is Josh Gates. 23 00:01:01,862 --> 00:01:04,758 In my travels, I have experienced strange things 24 00:01:04,793 --> 00:01:08,379 that defy logic. And made me question everything. 25 00:01:08,413 --> 00:01:10,310 Oh, my God! 26 00:01:10,344 --> 00:01:13,000 Now, I've put together a team to investigate 27 00:01:13,034 --> 00:01:15,551 the stranger side of the unknown. 28 00:01:15,586 --> 00:01:16,551 Let's go. 29 00:01:17,517 --> 00:01:19,068 [Josh] Phil Torres is a scientist 30 00:01:19,103 --> 00:01:21,517 who hunts for rational explanations. 31 00:01:25,137 --> 00:01:27,551 [Josh] Jessica Chobot's paranormal research, 32 00:01:27,586 --> 00:01:29,551 has made her a true believer. 33 00:01:29,586 --> 00:01:30,965 Phil, do you see that? 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,482 [whispering] I just saw something right across. 35 00:01:32,517 --> 00:01:34,862 [Josh] Together, we're searching for answers... 36 00:01:34,896 --> 00:01:36,103 [Phil] What is that? 37 00:01:36,137 --> 00:01:39,068 [Josh] ...to the world's most extraordinary mysteries. 38 00:01:39,758 --> 00:01:42,586 This isExpedition X. 39 00:01:47,103 --> 00:01:50,068 Phil and Jess, I hope you're ready. We got a wild one today. 40 00:01:50,103 --> 00:01:51,413 What you got? 41 00:01:51,448 --> 00:01:53,551 Well, Phil, even you, Mr. Science, are no doubt familiar with 42 00:01:53,586 --> 00:01:57,517 -the 1947 Roswell incident, in New Mexico? -Right. 43 00:01:57,551 --> 00:01:59,517 When the poor weather balloon crashed there, it was terrible. 44 00:01:59,551 --> 00:02:02,448 -Are you for real right now? -All right, stay calm, Jess, stay calm. 45 00:02:02,482 --> 00:02:04,413 Well, what if I told you, that there was another 46 00:02:04,448 --> 00:02:07,275 potentially even more significant incident, that occurred 47 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:10,931 only a 140 miles from Roswell, about 15 years later. 48 00:02:10,965 --> 00:02:15,586 Not a crash, but supposedly an actual landing of a UFO. 49 00:02:15,620 --> 00:02:18,689 And allegedly a close encounter with alien beings. 50 00:02:18,724 --> 00:02:23,034 So, you're talking the Lonnie Zamora incident, Socorro, New Mexico. 51 00:02:23,068 --> 00:02:26,344 Unbelievable. You never fail to impress me, Jess. 52 00:02:26,379 --> 00:02:27,482 Amazing! 53 00:02:27,517 --> 00:02:28,758 Before we dive into it, 54 00:02:28,793 --> 00:02:31,103 Phil, you have gone on record to saying you think that... 55 00:02:31,137 --> 00:02:34,241 extraterrestrials could be out there, somewhere, right? 56 00:02:34,275 --> 00:02:36,758 Out there for sure. I mean, scientists believe that there are 57 00:02:36,793 --> 00:02:39,862 over 400 billion galaxies in our universe. 58 00:02:39,896 --> 00:02:44,448 And in our galaxy alone, they found several hundred habitable planets. 59 00:02:44,482 --> 00:02:47,310 The more controversial debate, of course, is whether any of those extraterrestrials 60 00:02:47,344 --> 00:02:48,724 -have come here. -Right. 61 00:02:48,758 --> 00:02:50,620 That brings us back to the Zamora incident. 62 00:02:50,655 --> 00:02:53,896 When this occurred, the US government investigated this thoroughly, 63 00:02:53,931 --> 00:02:56,241 and they couldn't solve it. It remains unsolved. 64 00:02:56,275 --> 00:02:59,827 Locals in this area believe that the Zamora incident was real, 65 00:02:59,862 --> 00:03:02,413 and they're still having experiences. 66 00:03:02,448 --> 00:03:06,034 Experiences that they say, can end the debate over extraterrestrials, 67 00:03:06,068 --> 00:03:07,103 once and for all. 68 00:03:10,689 --> 00:03:15,344 New Mexico ranks among the states with the most UFO sightings in the country. 69 00:03:15,379 --> 00:03:18,482 With reports nearly doubling in the last two years. 70 00:03:18,517 --> 00:03:20,758 And they're still on the rise. 71 00:03:20,793 --> 00:03:24,206 But if we trace the state's most significant UFO cases, 72 00:03:24,241 --> 00:03:27,517 it begins with the Roswell incident in 1947. 73 00:03:27,551 --> 00:03:31,655 And perhaps, an even stranger event just 15 years later. 74 00:03:33,241 --> 00:03:37,068 The year is 1964, Socorro, New Mexico. 75 00:03:37,103 --> 00:03:42,551 At approximately45 p.m., police sergeant Lonnie Zamora is pursuing 76 00:03:42,586 --> 00:03:45,275 a reckless driver just outside of town. 77 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:50,103 When he hears a loud roar followed by a large flame rising from the desert 78 00:03:50,137 --> 00:03:51,413 off the highway. 79 00:03:51,448 --> 00:03:54,172 He breaks off the chase to investigate. 80 00:03:54,206 --> 00:03:58,241 When he crests a hill, he claims to see an oval-shaped object, 81 00:03:58,275 --> 00:04:02,413 emblazoned with a strange symbol, resting on four legs, 82 00:04:02,448 --> 00:04:06,793 with two small beings next to what it appears to be, a spaceship. 83 00:04:06,827 --> 00:04:10,379 As he approaches on foot, the craft suddenly lifts into the air, 84 00:04:10,413 --> 00:04:13,241 and races away across the desert sky. 85 00:04:13,275 --> 00:04:17,827 Zamora is shaken, and calls in his encounter to the local dispatch. 86 00:04:17,862 --> 00:04:21,172 The next day, the governments' UFO investigation program, 87 00:04:21,206 --> 00:04:24,862 Project Bluebook, sends their top investigators to the scene 88 00:04:24,896 --> 00:04:27,206 where they record physical evidence. 89 00:04:27,241 --> 00:04:32,379 Charred shrub, indentations in the soil, and even small footprints. 90 00:04:35,896 --> 00:04:40,586 But, Project Bluebook is shut down in 1969, without ever solving the case. 91 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:44,068 Lonnie Zamora dies in 2009. 92 00:04:44,103 --> 00:04:46,793 Despite a lifetime of scrutiny into his story, 93 00:04:46,827 --> 00:04:51,275 he never wavered that what he saw was from another world. 94 00:04:51,310 --> 00:04:56,137 And just recently, hundreds of declassified federal documents have emerged 95 00:04:56,172 --> 00:04:59,931 about the Zamora incident, reinvigorating the mystery. 96 00:04:59,965 --> 00:05:04,206 On top of that, some say UFOs have returned to Socorro. 97 00:05:04,241 --> 00:05:08,000 Recently, a mass sighting was seen by multiple eyewitnesses, 98 00:05:08,034 --> 00:05:11,655 including pilots, military personnel and civilians, 99 00:05:11,689 --> 00:05:15,241 all claiming to see unidentified objects in the sky 100 00:05:15,275 --> 00:05:19,586 and putting the city of Socorro back under the cosmic microscope. 101 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:28,413 So, guys, what do you think? 102 00:05:28,448 --> 00:05:31,862 I'll admit, Lonnie Zamora seems like he was a very credible witness. 103 00:05:31,896 --> 00:05:34,103 He wasn't just some random guy with a tinfoil hat. 104 00:05:34,137 --> 00:05:35,586 He was a trained police officer. 105 00:05:35,620 --> 00:05:36,827 Yeah and I think that's a good point 106 00:05:36,862 --> 00:05:39,137 because law enforcement usually aren't 107 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,586 the typical people to come forward with UFO encounters. 108 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:44,068 That's what makes this case so fascinating. 109 00:05:44,103 --> 00:05:46,517 And the fact that there are new sightings today, 110 00:05:46,551 --> 00:05:49,206 means it is the perfect time to reopen this case. 111 00:05:49,241 --> 00:05:51,517 So, I've been trying to get in contact with some of these eyewitnesses 112 00:05:51,551 --> 00:05:53,310 from this new mass sighting, 113 00:05:53,344 --> 00:05:56,379 but so far they've all been very reluctant to go public. 114 00:05:56,413 --> 00:05:58,241 But I'm gonna keep working those leads, 115 00:05:58,275 --> 00:06:00,103 and I think that where you should start 116 00:06:00,137 --> 00:06:04,034 is to really try to understand the original Zamora incident. 117 00:06:04,068 --> 00:06:07,517 And see if it could be connected to the sightings that are happening today. 118 00:06:07,551 --> 00:06:08,655 You up for this? 119 00:06:08,689 --> 00:06:10,000 Hell, yeah! 120 00:06:10,034 --> 00:06:12,137 -Sounds like a plan. -All right, go have a close encounter. 121 00:06:13,896 --> 00:06:16,275 My team hops on a 2000 mile flight 122 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:18,827 from New York City to Albuquerque. 123 00:06:18,862 --> 00:06:22,620 Then, drive 76 mile south to the small town of Socorro. 124 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:26,068 While I try to line up a credible eyewitness 125 00:06:26,103 --> 00:06:28,413 for the recent UFO sighting in the area, 126 00:06:28,448 --> 00:06:32,517 I'm directing Jess and Phil to dig deeper into the Zamora incident. 127 00:06:32,551 --> 00:06:34,896 [Phil] Out of any of the investigations that we do, 128 00:06:34,931 --> 00:06:38,620 I feel like UFOs are the most likely to actually exist. 129 00:06:38,655 --> 00:06:40,413 -Oh my-- -Out of all of them. 130 00:06:40,448 --> 00:06:43,000 Who knew? You are a believer! 131 00:06:43,034 --> 00:06:46,862 But that doesn't mean that every story that you hear is real, 132 00:06:46,896 --> 00:06:48,413 or even the majority of them are real. 133 00:06:48,448 --> 00:06:51,862 There's a lot of aspects of the Socorro story that I'm questioning. Like, 134 00:06:51,896 --> 00:06:55,344 tiny alien people coming out of there. It's a little weird. 135 00:06:55,379 --> 00:07:00,689 I understand. But, keep in mind there was an eyewitness. 136 00:07:00,724 --> 00:07:02,724 And the government took it seriously enough 137 00:07:02,758 --> 00:07:06,931 that they actually sent out people to check out the scene. 138 00:07:06,965 --> 00:07:08,655 So, something must have happened. 139 00:07:08,689 --> 00:07:10,137 I think there's the potential there 140 00:07:10,172 --> 00:07:12,310 that Lonnie Zamora actually encountered aliens. 141 00:07:12,344 --> 00:07:16,068 Well, the fact that they're always conveniently bipedal, upright, 142 00:07:16,103 --> 00:07:17,965 they have eyes, they have hands... 143 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,862 That all just seems a little unimaginative 144 00:07:20,896 --> 00:07:22,586 to what's really out there in the universe. 145 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:25,137 My opinion, if something is visiting us here, 146 00:07:25,172 --> 00:07:28,965 there is no doubt in my mind, we would be taken over and destroyed. 147 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,965 That's the optimist in you, Jess. 148 00:07:33,793 --> 00:07:36,344 [Phil] We've arrived at the site where Lonnie Zamora 149 00:07:36,379 --> 00:07:38,793 supposedly witnessed an alien craft. 150 00:07:39,931 --> 00:07:43,724 -[Jessica] Is it hailing? -[Phil] What? Oh my gosh. 151 00:07:43,758 --> 00:07:45,206 [Jessica] Oh, that is cold, oh, yeah. 152 00:07:45,241 --> 00:07:47,827 -All sorts of weird things coming out of the sky here. -[Jessica] Yeah. 153 00:07:47,862 --> 00:07:52,689 [Josh] I've arranged for my team to meet renowned UFO investigator, James Fox. 154 00:07:52,724 --> 00:07:55,379 -[Jessica] Hi! -Nice to meet you guys. 155 00:07:57,034 --> 00:07:59,172 [Josh] Two years ago, James and I investigated 156 00:07:59,206 --> 00:08:02,275 another infamous UFO case in Zimbabwe. 157 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:08,172 Where in 1994, 62 school childrenclaimed to witness a UFO landing. 158 00:08:08,206 --> 00:08:10,137 The details are strikingly similar 159 00:08:10,172 --> 00:08:14,034 to what Lonnie Zamora reported seeing in 1964. 160 00:08:14,068 --> 00:08:16,793 James is a filmmaker, journalist and author, 161 00:08:16,827 --> 00:08:20,896 who has studied every detail of the Zamora case for over five years 162 00:08:20,931 --> 00:08:25,620 and has spent decades pursuing answers to the mysteries of UFOs. 163 00:08:25,655 --> 00:08:28,517 This is the case that changed everything. Right here. 164 00:08:28,551 --> 00:08:32,413 We came out here to check out where the actual landing occurred. 165 00:08:32,448 --> 00:08:33,689 Can you guys show us? 166 00:08:33,724 --> 00:08:34,862 -Absolutely. -Yeah. 167 00:08:34,896 --> 00:08:37,517 -You wanna lead the way? -Oh, sure. 168 00:08:37,551 --> 00:08:39,586 [Josh] With James, is Pablo Lopez, 169 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:42,620 who arrived at the scene minutes after Lonnie Zamora 170 00:08:42,655 --> 00:08:44,620 reported the incident to the authorities. 171 00:08:44,655 --> 00:08:46,655 He was 20 years old at the time. 172 00:08:51,413 --> 00:08:53,413 [Pablo] This is the spot where it landed. 173 00:08:55,655 --> 00:08:57,103 How did you end up here? 174 00:08:57,137 --> 00:09:00,551 I was at the sheriff's office. My dad was a radio operator. 175 00:09:00,586 --> 00:09:02,689 And I went in to visit with him. 176 00:09:02,724 --> 00:09:07,068 And Lonnie came over there and he was really, really scared. 177 00:09:07,103 --> 00:09:09,896 And he said he saw a great big spaceship. 178 00:09:09,931 --> 00:09:11,724 He said, which had landed right here. 179 00:09:14,137 --> 00:09:16,034 I came up here with the sheriff. 180 00:09:16,068 --> 00:09:20,482 When I got here, there was bushes here, that were smoldering. 181 00:09:20,517 --> 00:09:23,517 They still had smoke coming out of them, and some fire. 182 00:09:23,551 --> 00:09:25,310 And there was footprints. 183 00:09:25,344 --> 00:09:29,344 The footprints were tiny, they were probably three inches long. 184 00:09:29,379 --> 00:09:32,000 And maybe an inch and a half, two inches wide. 185 00:09:32,034 --> 00:09:33,827 -Like a three year old's? -[Pablo] Yes. 186 00:09:33,862 --> 00:09:36,379 Lonnie said they weren't over...that tall. 187 00:09:36,413 --> 00:09:38,758 One of them turned and faced him and it scared him... 188 00:09:39,310 --> 00:09:40,655 ...out of his wits. 189 00:09:41,931 --> 00:09:43,413 What do you think landed here? 190 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,137 A UFO. 191 00:09:45,172 --> 00:09:46,103 -Really? -[Pablo] Yeah. 192 00:09:46,137 --> 00:09:47,862 Something like that, something unexplainable. 193 00:09:47,896 --> 00:09:51,172 And officer Zamora was a man's man, okay? 194 00:09:51,206 --> 00:09:53,724 -So, you knew him personally? -[Pablo] I knew him personally, yes. 195 00:09:53,758 --> 00:09:56,379 Officer Zamora wasn't the same person after this. 196 00:09:56,413 --> 00:09:59,000 He saw what he saw and it was for real. 197 00:10:00,862 --> 00:10:04,137 I gotta admit, this is messing with my brain a little bit. 198 00:10:04,172 --> 00:10:07,586 So, James, why this case? Why does this one stand out to you? 199 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:12,379 This case right here, is what gave Project Bluebook the conclusion that 200 00:10:12,413 --> 00:10:16,793 UFOs were not only real, but the close encounters of the third kind 201 00:10:16,827 --> 00:10:20,344 and that's cases where witnesses report 202 00:10:20,379 --> 00:10:22,310 beings associated with the craft. 203 00:10:22,344 --> 00:10:23,793 So, what are some of the details that you've 204 00:10:23,827 --> 00:10:25,344 gleaned from your investigating? 205 00:10:25,379 --> 00:10:28,793 There was a blue flame that came down from this object, 206 00:10:28,827 --> 00:10:33,448 and it didn't hit the ground and reflect, like a rocket booster would do it, 207 00:10:33,482 --> 00:10:37,517 it penetrated into the ground. And unlike anything you've ever seen, 208 00:10:37,551 --> 00:10:41,586 this object rises to about 20 feet off the ground, 209 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:45,586 and then it completely shuts off all propulsion, and is absolutely silent. 210 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:49,275 You look at the Air Force's own files. 211 00:10:49,310 --> 00:10:52,517 And they're saying that what took place here, 212 00:10:52,551 --> 00:10:55,413 defies a terrestrial explanation. 213 00:10:55,448 --> 00:10:59,241 I brought some documents that I personally got at the National Archives 214 00:10:59,275 --> 00:11:01,172 from Project Bluebook files. 215 00:11:01,206 --> 00:11:02,965 You can take a look at some of these here. 216 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:05,827 -Wow. -[Jessica] These are great-- 217 00:11:05,862 --> 00:11:07,655 -[Phil] Look at how charred that is. -[Jessica] Yeah. 218 00:11:11,896 --> 00:11:13,827 [James] So, what I basically want to illustrate here is, 219 00:11:13,862 --> 00:11:16,137 level of seriousness that the Air Force took 220 00:11:16,172 --> 00:11:17,827 when they were investigating this case. 221 00:11:17,862 --> 00:11:19,965 [Jessica] James has meticulously compiled 222 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,655 hundreds of official government files on this case. 223 00:11:22,689 --> 00:11:24,827 And two things stand out. 224 00:11:24,862 --> 00:11:28,482 First, the government investigation was exhaustive. 225 00:11:28,517 --> 00:11:31,241 The site was extensively combed for evidence, 226 00:11:31,275 --> 00:11:33,413 soil samples were taken and scrutinized, 227 00:11:33,448 --> 00:11:36,827 every radar station within a 100 miles was contacted. 228 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:40,344 They even tried to match the indentations at the landing site 229 00:11:40,379 --> 00:11:45,206 with every variety of plane and helicopter that was operating in the region. 230 00:11:45,241 --> 00:11:48,241 Despite their efforts, the Project Bluebook investigators 231 00:11:48,275 --> 00:11:51,448 could not come up with a rational explanation for what happened. 232 00:11:51,482 --> 00:11:56,103 The other major takeaway, the investigators believed officer Zamora. 233 00:11:56,137 --> 00:11:58,448 Not only did they consider him credible, 234 00:11:58,482 --> 00:12:01,517 but that this incident was, and I quote, 235 00:12:01,551 --> 00:12:04,896 "The best authenticated landing sighting on record". 236 00:12:04,931 --> 00:12:09,344 And, "One of the major UFO sightings in the history of the Air Force". 237 00:12:10,275 --> 00:12:11,862 So, what's your theory on this then? 238 00:12:11,896 --> 00:12:14,793 Why would aliens be interested in this area? 239 00:12:14,827 --> 00:12:19,448 I started looking at sightings in the '40s and '50s and '60s, 240 00:12:19,482 --> 00:12:21,000 and I actually took out a map. 241 00:12:21,034 --> 00:12:25,344 And I was looking at proximity to different nuclear military operations. 242 00:12:25,379 --> 00:12:27,344 You know, Trinity Site 44 miles away, 243 00:12:27,379 --> 00:12:29,689 we got White Sands, Holloman Air Force base. 244 00:12:29,724 --> 00:12:32,344 And I thought, there must be some sort of correlation, 245 00:12:32,379 --> 00:12:35,137 with our nuclear activity, our atomic activity, 246 00:12:35,172 --> 00:12:39,000 that had made this kind of a hot bed for UFO sightings. 247 00:12:39,034 --> 00:12:42,482 [Jessica] Intense UFO activity around our most dangerous weapons 248 00:12:42,517 --> 00:12:45,724 would definitely be an issue of national security. 249 00:12:45,758 --> 00:12:49,310 Thousands of nuclear tests have been conducted in these deserts. 250 00:12:49,344 --> 00:12:52,965 New Mexico still has a stock-pile of 700 nuclear bombs 251 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,068 and over 1,800 active warheads, that could be deployed in minutes. 252 00:12:59,689 --> 00:13:03,275 There are structured craft of unknown origin, 253 00:13:03,310 --> 00:13:05,137 whizzing around with impunity, 254 00:13:05,172 --> 00:13:08,689 under super sensitive military installations. 255 00:13:08,724 --> 00:13:11,241 We don't know who they are, where they come from or what they want. 256 00:13:19,517 --> 00:13:22,344 There are structured craft of unknown origin, 257 00:13:23,068 --> 00:13:25,000 whizzing around with impunity, 258 00:13:25,034 --> 00:13:28,482 under super sensitive military installations. 259 00:13:28,517 --> 00:13:30,965 We don't know who they are, where they come from or what they want. 260 00:13:32,103 --> 00:13:34,448 The military bases are all around here, 261 00:13:34,482 --> 00:13:37,448 so I would just think it's gonna be a military craft. 262 00:13:37,482 --> 00:13:40,103 But you're saying that because the military is here, 263 00:13:40,137 --> 00:13:42,655 that's why the UFOs are interested in this location? 264 00:13:42,689 --> 00:13:45,517 That's one likely scenario. 265 00:13:45,551 --> 00:13:48,448 [Jessica] If Socorro's high concentration of UFO sightings 266 00:13:48,482 --> 00:13:52,896 is due to its proximity to the military installations in the area, 267 00:13:52,931 --> 00:13:55,655 we need to pressure test that theory. 268 00:13:55,689 --> 00:13:57,931 So, after reviewing some topographical maps, 269 00:13:57,965 --> 00:14:01,137 we found the most perfect spot to set up some surveillance. 270 00:14:01,172 --> 00:14:04,482 A mesa, in the middle of the desert, located between 271 00:14:04,517 --> 00:14:08,413 the landing site of the Zamora incident and White Sands Missile Range. 272 00:14:08,448 --> 00:14:12,172 It offers the perfect elevated vantage point to monitor the skies 273 00:14:12,206 --> 00:14:15,758 over Socorro to the north west and White Sands to the south. 274 00:14:15,793 --> 00:14:19,137 Our objective is to reach the mesa before nightfall, 275 00:14:19,172 --> 00:14:22,241 and investigate for any unusual activity. 276 00:14:22,275 --> 00:14:24,827 But getting there? That's the tricky part. 277 00:14:27,137 --> 00:14:28,068 [Phil] Come on. 278 00:14:28,896 --> 00:14:31,379 Oh! Woah. 279 00:14:33,344 --> 00:14:35,137 -Jess, up here? -[Jessica] Yeah. 280 00:14:35,172 --> 00:14:38,724 We need to get to the base of that mesa, try to get up there. 281 00:14:38,758 --> 00:14:40,344 -[Jessica] Hike on up? -Yeah. 282 00:14:43,517 --> 00:14:45,034 Hey Phil, we got a river up ahead. 283 00:14:47,103 --> 00:14:50,448 [Phil] I'm not sure how deep this thing is. Hope these horses swim. 284 00:14:57,827 --> 00:15:00,379 -Looks like there's a passage through here. -[Jessica] Yeah, let's go. 285 00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:07,517 All right, Jess. I don't think the horses are gonna go any higher. 286 00:15:07,551 --> 00:15:09,827 [Jessica] I think you're right. 287 00:15:09,862 --> 00:15:13,034 [Phil] The height of this mesa, which rises 1,200 feet, 288 00:15:13,068 --> 00:15:16,862 makes it ideal for viewing the night sky without any light pollution. 289 00:15:17,482 --> 00:15:18,827 Getting steep up here. 290 00:15:18,862 --> 00:15:21,137 But getting to the top won't be easy. 291 00:15:21,172 --> 00:15:23,172 We're facing a 70 per cent grade climb 292 00:15:23,206 --> 00:15:25,000 over loose shale with the sheer drop off. 293 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:27,620 -[Phil] You good? -[Jessica] Yeah. 294 00:15:28,724 --> 00:15:30,172 [Jessica panting] 295 00:15:30,206 --> 00:15:33,000 Just looking for snakes, trying not to fall off the edge. 296 00:15:33,034 --> 00:15:35,379 [Phil] Yeah, watch where you put your hands. 297 00:15:35,413 --> 00:15:36,379 [Phil sighs in exhaustion] 298 00:15:36,413 --> 00:15:37,827 Could be a snake hole anywhere. 299 00:15:40,034 --> 00:15:41,517 [Jessica grunts] 300 00:15:41,551 --> 00:15:42,689 [Phil] Jess, watch your step. 301 00:15:44,379 --> 00:15:45,758 Oh... [bleep] 302 00:15:46,344 --> 00:15:47,379 You got this. 303 00:15:51,655 --> 00:15:53,379 [panting] 304 00:15:54,241 --> 00:15:55,034 [Jessica grunts] 305 00:16:01,275 --> 00:16:04,000 Well, look around. 306 00:16:04,034 --> 00:16:06,068 We got sky in every direction here. 307 00:16:06,103 --> 00:16:09,448 Well, if nothing else, aliens will see us and say, 308 00:16:09,482 --> 00:16:12,379 "Who are those two idiots that got to top of that hill?" 309 00:16:12,413 --> 00:16:14,172 That's us, hey, anything it takes. 310 00:16:16,137 --> 00:16:19,862 With nightfall upon us, I'm attaching a low light lens to one of our cameras, 311 00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:21,896 which will amplify the surrounding lights 312 00:16:21,931 --> 00:16:24,206 and allow us to more easily view objects 313 00:16:24,241 --> 00:16:27,000 that would usually be hidden in darkness. 314 00:16:27,034 --> 00:16:28,862 Jess has brought the flare camera, 315 00:16:28,896 --> 00:16:31,620 which has infrared sensors that can detect heat signatures 316 00:16:31,655 --> 00:16:33,758 from any airborne object. 317 00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:36,206 If there are any craft in the sky tonight, 318 00:16:36,241 --> 00:16:37,965 we're gonna see them. 319 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,689 We got 360 view of this entire area. 320 00:16:40,724 --> 00:16:45,103 Because you have such a good lock on the stars in the sky, 321 00:16:45,137 --> 00:16:48,965 I'll search over here with the flare where the military bases are. 322 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,310 Okay. 323 00:16:50,344 --> 00:16:53,482 There's been a big uptake of sightings from people in this area. 324 00:16:53,517 --> 00:16:57,344 So, just look for anything that seems even slightly out of the ordinary. 325 00:16:57,379 --> 00:17:01,000 -I do think between this camera, and your flare... -Mm-hm. 326 00:17:01,034 --> 00:17:04,482 ...we should hopefully be able to get whatever that something is 327 00:17:04,517 --> 00:17:06,379 on tape, to help identify it. 328 00:17:06,413 --> 00:17:08,206 [Jessica] Yeah. 329 00:17:08,241 --> 00:17:10,586 [Phil] I'll be facing northwest towards Socorro, 330 00:17:10,620 --> 00:17:12,862 where Lonnie Zamora had his encounter. 331 00:17:12,896 --> 00:17:15,103 While Jess will scan the southern skies towards 332 00:17:15,137 --> 00:17:17,965 Holloman Air Force base and the White Sands missile range. 333 00:17:21,448 --> 00:17:23,827 So right now, I can see... 334 00:17:23,862 --> 00:17:28,103 the Milky Way, and I'm also seeing some movement. So... 335 00:17:28,137 --> 00:17:31,379 So far anything that's moving and blinking, it's a plane. 336 00:17:31,413 --> 00:17:34,896 Anything that's moving really, really steady in one direction 337 00:17:34,931 --> 00:17:37,137 and not blinking, that's a satellite. 338 00:17:37,172 --> 00:17:39,655 What I'm interested is anything that's moving, 339 00:17:39,689 --> 00:17:41,586 that strays outside of those parameters. 340 00:17:43,517 --> 00:17:45,965 Oh, I just saw some lightning down there. 341 00:17:53,482 --> 00:17:54,551 [Jessica] Nothing yet. 342 00:18:00,689 --> 00:18:03,034 What the hell is that? 343 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,172 What the [bleep] 344 00:18:06,206 --> 00:18:09,689 It's glowing, it's spinning. 345 00:18:09,724 --> 00:18:11,000 Ryan, you getting this, you getting this? 346 00:18:12,413 --> 00:18:14,448 Jess, right over that. 347 00:18:14,482 --> 00:18:16,000 -[Jessica] Look at over there! -[Phil] Oh! 348 00:18:18,551 --> 00:18:19,758 [bleep] 349 00:18:19,793 --> 00:18:22,137 [Jessica] Why is this not showing up on my flare? 350 00:18:22,172 --> 00:18:24,689 [Phil] I got it on tape. You seeing that? 351 00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:26,275 Is it showing up on the flare? 352 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:28,172 [Jessica] No, I can't get it on the flare. 353 00:18:28,758 --> 00:18:29,793 Come on. 354 00:18:29,827 --> 00:18:31,896 [Phil] Holy [bleep]! 355 00:18:31,931 --> 00:18:35,586 Oh, my God. So, it's below cloud level. 356 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:37,379 Jess, get over here. 357 00:18:37,413 --> 00:18:38,310 [Jessica] All right. 358 00:18:39,551 --> 00:18:40,793 Let me see, let me see. 359 00:18:42,172 --> 00:18:43,931 Check that out. 360 00:18:43,965 --> 00:18:45,965 I could not pick that up on my flare. 361 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,551 It is traveling fast. 362 00:18:48,586 --> 00:18:49,724 [Phil] Really fast. 363 00:18:50,413 --> 00:18:51,862 Oh, that definitely looks... 364 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 -...like a disk. -Oh, my gosh. 365 00:18:55,689 --> 00:18:57,206 Holy [bleep], I lost it. 366 00:18:59,724 --> 00:19:02,241 [Jessica] The object appeared to accelerate out of frame 367 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:04,655 and we were unable to locate it after that, 368 00:19:04,689 --> 00:19:09,482 leaving Phil and I to try to make sense of what the hell we just saw. 369 00:19:09,517 --> 00:19:14,275 -So, it came from the direction of Socorro. -[Jessica] Uh-huh. 370 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:16,448 [Phil] It pivoted suddenly and started heading towards 371 00:19:16,482 --> 00:19:18,862 White Sands and Holloman Air Force base. 372 00:19:18,896 --> 00:19:20,827 [Jessica] It didn't have a heat signature. 373 00:19:20,862 --> 00:19:24,172 [Phil] So, it's not a plane, 'cause the thermal would've definitely picked up 374 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:26,103 on the heat coming off it. 375 00:19:26,137 --> 00:19:30,482 The spin is weird. The speed, the height is weird. 376 00:19:30,517 --> 00:19:32,103 I don't know what that is. 377 00:19:32,793 --> 00:19:34,344 We saw a UFO. 378 00:19:34,379 --> 00:19:36,275 An unidentified flying object. 379 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,517 The spin is weird. The speed, the height is weird. 380 00:19:50,551 --> 00:19:52,000 I don't know what that is. 381 00:19:52,448 --> 00:19:54,068 We saw a UFO. 382 00:19:54,103 --> 00:19:56,034 An unidentified flying object. 383 00:19:57,551 --> 00:20:00,965 The shape, speed and rotation of the object we saw tonight, 384 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,413 is similar to the, now famous, video captured by 385 00:20:04,448 --> 00:20:06,310 United States Navy F/A 18 Pilots. 386 00:20:06,344 --> 00:20:09,689 -[on radio] Look at that thing! -It's... 387 00:20:09,724 --> 00:20:12,965 [Jessica] For me the similarities between our UFO and the Navy's 388 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 are impossible to ignore. 389 00:20:15,034 --> 00:20:17,344 But what exactly are these objects? 390 00:20:17,379 --> 00:20:20,862 In the case of the F/A 18 sighting, our own government admits, 391 00:20:20,896 --> 00:20:22,586 they haven't got a clue. 392 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:26,413 -[on radio] See the disk? -[on radio] My gosh. 393 00:20:26,448 --> 00:20:29,034 [Phil] It's not lost on me that Lonnie Zamora claimed to see 394 00:20:29,068 --> 00:20:33,448 a strange egg-shaped craft touch down just ten miles from this location. 395 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:36,827 But as I replay in my mind what Jess and I experienced tonight, 396 00:20:36,862 --> 00:20:40,000 something happened just before the object appeared. 397 00:20:40,034 --> 00:20:42,206 Lightning lit up the sky. 398 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,586 Oh, I just saw some lightning down there. 399 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:48,000 I can't help but wonder if that could be a clue to understanding 400 00:20:48,034 --> 00:20:50,000 what is really going on here in New Mexico. 401 00:20:58,034 --> 00:21:00,586 Oh! That was... I wasn't prepared for that. 402 00:21:01,724 --> 00:21:04,896 Oh, that is so steep though. Holy [bleep] don't look. 403 00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:06,724 Oh, my gosh, I'm not gonna look. 404 00:21:06,758 --> 00:21:08,965 Why are you taking me up this road? 405 00:21:10,551 --> 00:21:12,034 [Phil] Oh yeah, get this. 406 00:21:12,068 --> 00:21:17,310 Last year, New Mexico had twice the normal rate of lightning strikes. 407 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:23,724 The same year that New Mexico is reporting way more UFO sightings. 408 00:21:23,758 --> 00:21:27,620 And last night, lightning struck right before I saw the object. 409 00:21:27,655 --> 00:21:29,448 Maybe it's all connected. 410 00:21:29,482 --> 00:21:32,068 [Jessica] I'll admit that some types of lightning, like ball lightning, 411 00:21:32,103 --> 00:21:36,344 have been used to explain some UFOs. But I don't think that's what we saw. 412 00:21:39,241 --> 00:21:42,034 [Phil] There happens to be a facility at the top of this hill, 413 00:21:42,068 --> 00:21:46,827 that specializes in rare atmospheric phenomena in New Mexico. 414 00:21:46,862 --> 00:21:48,896 Called them up this morning, they're happy to see us. 415 00:21:48,931 --> 00:21:50,724 So, let's see what answers they have. 416 00:21:57,689 --> 00:21:59,206 -[Harald] Hello. -[Jessica] Hi. 417 00:21:59,241 --> 00:22:00,103 How are you? 418 00:22:00,137 --> 00:22:01,275 -We're good. -[Jessica] Good. 419 00:22:01,310 --> 00:22:03,000 -Come on in. The door right there. -Thank you. 420 00:22:03,034 --> 00:22:04,586 [Phil] The door that says, "Danger, keep out"? 421 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:06,551 Don't worry about it, that's the one. 422 00:22:06,586 --> 00:22:09,344 [Jessica] I'll let you go first. You're welcome. 423 00:22:09,379 --> 00:22:11,586 [Phil] I've arranged a meeting with Harald Edens, 424 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:15,310 the director of the Langmuir Laboratory for Atmospheric Research. 425 00:22:15,344 --> 00:22:17,724 This guy studies lightning for a living. 426 00:22:17,758 --> 00:22:19,344 Yeah, I'm pretty jealous. 427 00:22:22,344 --> 00:22:23,758 Welcome to the top of the world. 428 00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:29,931 [Phil] Here's why we are here. 429 00:22:29,965 --> 00:22:33,586 One theory I've had about UFO sightings around here, 430 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:35,862 is it could just be lightning. 431 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:38,413 or some kind of atmospheric phenomenon making people think 432 00:22:38,448 --> 00:22:41,137 -they're seeing a flying aircraft, so... -Right. 433 00:22:41,172 --> 00:22:43,862 ...have you seen examples of lightning that could be confused 434 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:45,137 with something like UFO? 435 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,448 Yes, I have. Let's go check it out. 436 00:22:49,275 --> 00:22:52,620 [Phil] Since 1963, scientists here have been studying 437 00:22:52,655 --> 00:22:56,000 and provoking lightning with ingenious technology. 438 00:22:56,034 --> 00:22:58,517 They've used weather balloons, electric cables 439 00:22:58,551 --> 00:23:03,000 and even rockets shot directly into storm clouds. 440 00:23:03,034 --> 00:23:06,689 I feel like this whole building looks like the coolest movie set ever. 441 00:23:06,724 --> 00:23:10,344 It's a time capsule now. Because nowadays, everything can be done by just, 442 00:23:10,379 --> 00:23:11,655 basically computer right here. 443 00:23:13,758 --> 00:23:15,620 [Phil] The scientists here have managed to capture 444 00:23:15,655 --> 00:23:18,172 incredible footage of all kinds of lightning, 445 00:23:18,206 --> 00:23:20,689 and extremely rare atmospheric phenomenon. 446 00:23:20,724 --> 00:23:24,793 Which could explain the massive number of UFO sightings in the area. 447 00:23:24,827 --> 00:23:26,793 This is intracloud lightning. 448 00:23:26,827 --> 00:23:28,379 [Jessica] Whoa. 449 00:23:28,413 --> 00:23:29,827 [Harald] So, intracloud lightning is 450 00:23:29,862 --> 00:23:31,413 entirely within the thunderstorm. 451 00:23:31,448 --> 00:23:34,137 It lights up. The people see like a flash of light suddenly, 452 00:23:34,172 --> 00:23:37,620 but you may not know there is lightning storm around. 453 00:23:37,655 --> 00:23:40,620 [Phil] Another type of rare lightning takes place about 50 miles 454 00:23:40,655 --> 00:23:42,103 above the surface of the earth. 455 00:23:42,137 --> 00:23:43,620 We have something called sprites. 456 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:45,241 That looks like an alien invasion. 457 00:23:45,275 --> 00:23:48,000 And that does look like straight out of War of the Worlds. 458 00:23:48,034 --> 00:23:49,965 [Phil] The luminous tendrils in sprite lightning 459 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,448 can spread out for dozens of miles. 460 00:23:52,482 --> 00:23:56,172 Which could easily be misinterpreted as something from another world. 461 00:23:56,206 --> 00:23:58,793 But I am eager to ask Dr. Edens his opinion 462 00:23:58,827 --> 00:24:00,586 about a theoretical type of lightning, 463 00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:05,517 that many people believe could be the answer to the majority of UFO reports. 464 00:24:05,551 --> 00:24:09,172 What about ball lightning? First of all, is it even real? 465 00:24:09,206 --> 00:24:12,482 I think the evidence about ball lightning is so overwhelming 466 00:24:12,517 --> 00:24:14,517 that you basically have to admit 467 00:24:14,551 --> 00:24:16,517 so to speak, that ball lightning probably exists. 468 00:24:17,034 --> 00:24:18,655 [thunder rumbling] 469 00:24:18,689 --> 00:24:21,689 [Jessica] Ball lightning is usually described as glowing orbs of electricity 470 00:24:21,724 --> 00:24:25,586 that have been reported both in the sky and close to the ground. 471 00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:28,724 They appear for a few seconds or even a few minutes. 472 00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:33,793 So, it would be something that would be glowing, in the air. 473 00:24:33,827 --> 00:24:36,172 -Yeah. -Persisting for at least several seconds, 474 00:24:36,206 --> 00:24:37,827 and potentially moving. 475 00:24:37,862 --> 00:24:39,310 It's usually moving. 476 00:24:39,344 --> 00:24:41,482 Based on eyewitness reports. 477 00:24:41,517 --> 00:24:44,103 [Phil] The fact that a top atmospheric scientist believes 478 00:24:44,137 --> 00:24:46,551 ball lightning is a real phenomenon, 479 00:24:46,586 --> 00:24:49,586 means it could easily be misidentified as a UFO. 480 00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:51,965 And after seeing unusual forms of lightning 481 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,413 recorded in the same skies where people are reporting UFOs, 482 00:24:55,448 --> 00:24:57,482 it could explain a lot of sightings. 483 00:24:57,517 --> 00:25:01,655 But I'll admit, these examples don't match what we saw last night 484 00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:06,137 and whatever Lonnie Zamora witnessed in 1964. 485 00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:09,551 With questions still looming, we decide tocheck-in with Josh 486 00:25:09,586 --> 00:25:10,862 to update him on our progress. 487 00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:13,000 -Hey, Josh. -Hi. 488 00:25:13,034 --> 00:25:14,517 Greetings, earthlings. 489 00:25:14,551 --> 00:25:17,344 How goes the search? Any little green men yet? 490 00:25:17,379 --> 00:25:21,172 No little green men, but man, we have seen some weird stuff. 491 00:25:21,206 --> 00:25:22,482 Really? 492 00:25:22,517 --> 00:25:23,379 -Oh, yeah. -Yeah. 493 00:25:23,413 --> 00:25:26,034 We actually went to the top of a mesa 494 00:25:26,068 --> 00:25:27,724 -and sure enough when we were up there, -Yeah. 495 00:25:27,758 --> 00:25:29,275 we saw a weird glowing light. 496 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:31,482 What the [bleep]! 497 00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:33,689 It was strange. 498 00:25:33,724 --> 00:25:36,172 Wait, Phil, did you see a UFO? 499 00:25:36,206 --> 00:25:38,379 Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you. 500 00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:40,655 But for me it still keeps coming down to the fact that there is 501 00:25:40,689 --> 00:25:43,137 so much military activity around here. 502 00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:46,103 To your point, Phil, there are a lot of things flying around up there. 503 00:25:46,137 --> 00:25:48,103 I wanna play something for you actually. 504 00:25:48,137 --> 00:25:51,482 This is a conversation between two commercial pilots 505 00:25:51,517 --> 00:25:55,448 that was captured fairly recently in the area that you are investigating. 506 00:25:55,482 --> 00:25:56,655 Listen to this. You ready? 507 00:25:56,689 --> 00:25:57,758 -Yeah. -[Jessica] Mm-hm, yeah. 508 00:26:27,758 --> 00:26:28,965 Whoa. 509 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000 -Did he just say UFO? -Oh, UFO! 510 00:26:32,655 --> 00:26:33,965 [Phil] He really said that. 511 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,137 [Josh] Yes, this is literally just one account. 512 00:26:36,172 --> 00:26:38,068 There are several of these that've recently happened. 513 00:26:38,103 --> 00:26:39,862 we're talking commercial pilots, 514 00:26:39,896 --> 00:26:43,793 Air Force personnel, air traffic controllers, all in this area. 515 00:26:43,827 --> 00:26:46,137 They're really credible, and after a lot of work 516 00:26:46,172 --> 00:26:48,965 I have finally convinced one of them to talk with you 517 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,758 about another mass sighting that happened just last week. 518 00:26:55,482 --> 00:26:58,793 [Jessica] Until now, few have gone on record to talk about this 519 00:26:58,827 --> 00:27:01,206 new UFO sighting over Socorro. 520 00:27:01,241 --> 00:27:05,586 But Josh managed to track down a woman that works at a nearby military base. 521 00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:07,517 Who not only witnessed the event, 522 00:27:07,551 --> 00:27:09,689 she caught it on camera. 523 00:27:09,724 --> 00:27:15,034 She's agreed to speak with us, but only on the condition that we obscure her identity. 524 00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:18,551 I know that you didn't wanna have your image on camera, 525 00:27:18,586 --> 00:27:22,103 so I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. 526 00:27:22,137 --> 00:27:24,551 -Yeah, definitely. -Can you walk us through the night? 527 00:27:24,586 --> 00:27:26,965 Like, what did you see? 528 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,862 [witness] I was driving home from Socorro to Magdalena. 529 00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:32,206 I had my kids in the car. 530 00:27:32,241 --> 00:27:35,310 And I started to hear this rattling in my engine. 531 00:27:35,344 --> 00:27:37,379 So I pulled the car over. 532 00:27:37,413 --> 00:27:41,000 And that's when I noticed a single light coming towards us in the sky. 533 00:27:45,103 --> 00:27:49,206 So, I gave my daughter my cellphone and asked her to film it for us. 534 00:27:49,241 --> 00:27:51,965 [Jessica] When we pull up the footage that her daughter captured, 535 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,344 you can clearly see an unidentified light. 536 00:27:55,379 --> 00:27:57,379 -Whoa. -[Phil] Oh. Wow. 537 00:27:57,413 --> 00:27:58,827 Right there. 538 00:27:58,862 --> 00:28:01,206 There's definitely something in the sky. 539 00:28:01,241 --> 00:28:03,586 It's hard to make out exactly what we are seeing, 540 00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:08,000 but a closer look reveals something even stranger. 541 00:28:08,034 --> 00:28:10,517 There is more than one, oh, my God. 542 00:28:18,448 --> 00:28:22,137 [Josh] My team is reviewing eyewitness footage captured just last week 543 00:28:22,172 --> 00:28:25,413 of unexplained lights in the Socorro night sky, 544 00:28:25,448 --> 00:28:28,275 by a woman who wishes to remain anonymous. 545 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:31,620 [Jessica] There is more than one, oh, my God. 546 00:28:31,655 --> 00:28:34,379 [witness] You could see it was actually multiple lights. 547 00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:36,448 [Jessica] Oh, my gosh. Look at that. 548 00:28:36,482 --> 00:28:38,758 -I do see multiple lights. -Yeah, me too. 549 00:28:38,793 --> 00:28:40,655 You can see there is what, three, four different lights. 550 00:28:40,689 --> 00:28:42,103 [Jessica] Yeah, like a whole line of them. 551 00:28:44,206 --> 00:28:45,172 Interesting. 552 00:28:45,206 --> 00:28:47,482 So you don't think you saw just a single UFO, 553 00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:49,793 you think you saw, what, a formation of them? 554 00:28:49,827 --> 00:28:52,620 It seemed kind of like the fleet of craft. 555 00:28:52,655 --> 00:28:54,965 Which direction did you see those lights? 556 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,103 I saw the lights to the southeast, 557 00:28:57,137 --> 00:28:59,827 hovering right around South Baldy peak. 558 00:28:59,862 --> 00:29:04,448 Heard stories about UFOs, and aliens but I've always been skeptic. 559 00:29:04,482 --> 00:29:08,310 After this, I don't know what to think. 560 00:29:08,344 --> 00:29:11,655 [Jessica] According to our eyewitness, the strange fleet of craft 561 00:29:11,689 --> 00:29:13,793 were flying over South Baldy peak, 562 00:29:13,827 --> 00:29:17,896 just east of Socorro, and the legendary Zamora landing site. 563 00:29:17,931 --> 00:29:21,551 So, we're heading over 10,000 feet into the Magdalena mountains 564 00:29:21,586 --> 00:29:23,896 And thank God there is a road. 565 00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:26,448 -[Phil] That is really high. -[Jessica] That is like... 566 00:29:26,482 --> 00:29:28,275 -Keeping my eyes on the road. Okay. -[Phil] You got this. 567 00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:29,379 [Jessica] I got it. 568 00:29:29,413 --> 00:29:31,931 This position also offers a direct line of sight 569 00:29:31,965 --> 00:29:33,551 towards White Sands missile range, 570 00:29:33,586 --> 00:29:36,793 and Holloman Air Force base to the southeast. 571 00:29:36,827 --> 00:29:40,034 With no lightning in the forecast, there will be no mistaking 572 00:29:40,068 --> 00:29:42,793 anything we see as atmospheric phenomenon. 573 00:29:42,827 --> 00:29:47,482 And tonight, I'll be deploying a brand new technique to hunt for UFOs. 574 00:29:47,517 --> 00:29:49,793 And it's gonna blow Phil's mind. 575 00:29:49,827 --> 00:29:51,965 [Phil] What is this? 576 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,517 [Jessica] I'll show you. 577 00:29:53,551 --> 00:29:55,448 Three, two, one. 578 00:30:00,448 --> 00:30:01,689 [Phil] What? 579 00:30:01,724 --> 00:30:03,655 [Jessica] Right? 580 00:30:03,689 --> 00:30:07,448 So, one of the theories running around the UFO circles right now 581 00:30:07,482 --> 00:30:09,965 is that aliens are attracted to anything 582 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,931 that has a lot of lights and lasers. 583 00:30:11,965 --> 00:30:13,896 So, I figured we'd bring this out here, 584 00:30:13,931 --> 00:30:16,137 we're out in the middle of nowhere 585 00:30:16,172 --> 00:30:18,241 and try and lure some UFOs in. 586 00:30:18,275 --> 00:30:21,896 So, they're like, space cats in the sky following laser pointers? 587 00:30:21,931 --> 00:30:23,551 Pretty much. 588 00:30:23,586 --> 00:30:27,793 It may sound far-fetched, but a few years ago, an astrophysicist at MIT 589 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,965 proposed shooting a high powered laser into deep space 590 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,758 to attract extraterrestrials to earth. 591 00:30:33,793 --> 00:30:36,344 They have yet to put the plan into action, 592 00:30:36,379 --> 00:30:38,655 so allow me to make some history. 593 00:30:38,689 --> 00:30:41,275 Now, while my setup won't beam into deep space, 594 00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:44,413 it is reaching the outer edges of our atmosphere. 595 00:30:44,448 --> 00:30:47,241 So, if any visitors to earth are in the neighborhood, 596 00:30:47,275 --> 00:30:50,379 maybe this will get their attention. 597 00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:54,241 You know, the other night, when we filmed what we filmed in the sky, I realized that, 598 00:30:54,275 --> 00:30:56,724 that low light IR camera didn't quite have 599 00:30:56,758 --> 00:30:58,620 the resolution I was looking for. 600 00:30:58,655 --> 00:31:00,517 This is the PVS 14. 601 00:31:00,551 --> 00:31:04,000 This is essentially military-grade night vision technology. 602 00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:07,068 This thing is gonna let us see absolutely everything out there. 603 00:31:07,103 --> 00:31:08,551 Well, I'm gonna head out with my night vision. 604 00:31:08,586 --> 00:31:10,586 Are you just gonna sit here and stare at your lasers? 605 00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:14,310 As much as I would like to hang out here and sing Pink Floyd to myself, 606 00:31:14,344 --> 00:31:17,862 you know a lot of people say that when they see these UFOs, 607 00:31:17,896 --> 00:31:20,413 that there is not any sound that they can hear. 608 00:31:20,448 --> 00:31:23,103 But maybe it's just because the sound they do emit 609 00:31:23,137 --> 00:31:25,551 is just too faint for the human ear to pick up. 610 00:31:25,586 --> 00:31:27,793 So, I figured I'd bring the parabolic mic, 611 00:31:27,827 --> 00:31:31,413 you can be the eyes, I'll be the ears, lasers will be the lure, 612 00:31:31,448 --> 00:31:34,000 and any sound that I pick up, I can record, 613 00:31:34,034 --> 00:31:36,862 and we can go back and listen and analyze it later. 614 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:38,586 All right. Sounds like a plan. 615 00:31:47,655 --> 00:31:51,379 All right. This thing can see anything out here in the dark. 616 00:31:51,413 --> 00:31:54,724 This military-grade scope can amplify any surrounding light 617 00:31:54,758 --> 00:31:57,827 more than any night vision device in the world. 618 00:31:57,862 --> 00:32:00,931 But there's one problem, is that it can't record. 619 00:32:00,965 --> 00:32:05,517 So that's why we 3D printed this. 620 00:32:05,551 --> 00:32:09,586 A mount for the scope that attaches to a smartphone 621 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:11,965 that we can record on, so we'll get my evidence. 622 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,482 Look at that. There's just lasers. 623 00:32:21,689 --> 00:32:25,103 I don't know if anybody's ever tried to actually record 624 00:32:25,137 --> 00:32:28,724 a UFO sound with something like this. 625 00:32:30,137 --> 00:32:31,551 Maybe we'll get lucky. 626 00:32:42,689 --> 00:32:44,724 Wait, I'm getting something. 627 00:32:44,758 --> 00:32:46,000 [low hum] 628 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,137 So, I'm kinda picking up 629 00:32:51,172 --> 00:32:54,586 a persistent hum in this direction. 630 00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:55,758 A low hum. 631 00:32:59,931 --> 00:33:01,068 There, right there. 632 00:33:03,275 --> 00:33:04,724 What the [bleep] 633 00:33:10,137 --> 00:33:11,000 Phil, are you there? 634 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,724 [Phil] Yeah, I'm here, how's it going? 635 00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:16,000 -[pager beeping] -I keep hearing things. 636 00:33:16,034 --> 00:33:18,310 [Phil] Um, what are you hearing? 637 00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:21,551 [Jessica] I don't know what it is. It's kind of like this low hum. 638 00:33:21,586 --> 00:33:24,724 Are you seeing anything or hearing anything on your end? 639 00:33:24,758 --> 00:33:27,551 [Phil] I'm hearing nothing on my end. 640 00:33:27,586 --> 00:33:29,655 It is completely silent out here. 641 00:33:29,689 --> 00:33:31,724 Okay, I'll let you know if I hear anything else. 642 00:33:36,689 --> 00:33:38,793 [Jessica] After an hour of scanning the skies, 643 00:33:38,827 --> 00:33:42,137 we're definitely not getting lucky. 644 00:33:42,172 --> 00:33:43,310 And then... 645 00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:45,413 Wait. 646 00:33:45,931 --> 00:33:47,034 It's back. 647 00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,379 That hum is back. 648 00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:49,689 [low hum] 649 00:33:49,724 --> 00:33:51,758 [Phil] Whoa, whoa, whoa, do you see that? Do you see that? 650 00:33:52,448 --> 00:33:54,206 What the hell is that? 651 00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:55,586 It's traveling south. 652 00:33:57,379 --> 00:33:58,827 It's hard to keep focus on it. 653 00:34:00,724 --> 00:34:03,068 It's starting to disappear behind the clouds. 654 00:34:06,758 --> 00:34:08,000 Jess, you there? Are you there? 655 00:34:08,034 --> 00:34:10,517 -[Jessica] I'm here. -I saw something. 656 00:34:10,551 --> 00:34:12,241 [Phil] I don't know what that was. 657 00:34:12,275 --> 00:34:15,586 It wasn't flashing like a plane and I don't think it was a satellite. 658 00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:18,896 We've been seeing some weird stuff out here, so who knows. 659 00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:20,931 [Jessica] Do you still have eyes on it? 660 00:34:20,965 --> 00:34:24,793 [Phil] No, I lost it. It was heading south, towards White Sands. 661 00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:31,275 [Jessica] I continue listening for any strange sounds, 662 00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:34,862 while Phil keeps scanning the stars with the military-grade scope. 663 00:34:39,517 --> 00:34:44,000 But after scouring the sky for hours, there is nothing else to report. 664 00:34:45,413 --> 00:34:48,000 [Phil] I'm shocked that Jess and I managed to record 665 00:34:48,034 --> 00:34:52,620 not one but two unidentified flying objects in a single week out here. 666 00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:55,517 Both were travelling in the same direction, south, 667 00:34:55,551 --> 00:34:57,275 towards White Sands missile range. 668 00:34:59,827 --> 00:35:02,344 So, as a new day dawns, we work the phones 669 00:35:02,379 --> 00:35:06,482 to try to gain access to this highly secured military base. 670 00:35:06,517 --> 00:35:11,551 Unfortunately, our request for information have so far, been denied. 671 00:35:11,586 --> 00:35:14,931 [Jessica] Yeah, real shocker there. But here's the good news. 672 00:35:14,965 --> 00:35:18,689 We located a fellow investigator who has uncovered a new link 673 00:35:18,724 --> 00:35:20,655 between the White Sands Missile Range 674 00:35:20,689 --> 00:35:24,000 and the 1964 Lonnie Zamora incident. 675 00:35:24,034 --> 00:35:27,275 And he has a paper trail to prove it. 676 00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:28,517 -Hi. -Hey, Dave. 677 00:35:28,551 --> 00:35:30,344 Glad we could finally track you down. 678 00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,137 Nice to talk to you. 679 00:35:32,172 --> 00:35:34,689 [Phil] Dave Thomas is a scientist, mathematician, 680 00:35:34,724 --> 00:35:36,724 and president of the investigative group, 681 00:35:36,758 --> 00:35:39,206 New Mexicans for Science and Reason. 682 00:35:39,241 --> 00:35:42,103 And after tireless research and study, he believes 683 00:35:42,137 --> 00:35:44,551 he's finally cracked the Zamora case. 684 00:35:44,586 --> 00:35:47,034 So, you have great new evidence on the Socorro incident, 685 00:35:47,068 --> 00:35:48,758 do you mind sharing that with us? 686 00:35:48,793 --> 00:35:52,034 I think the best explanation is probably is this. 687 00:36:00,034 --> 00:36:03,827 It sounds extraordinary that UFOs visited Socorro, New Mexico, 688 00:36:03,862 --> 00:36:06,103 to keep tabs on our nuclear arsenal. 689 00:36:06,137 --> 00:36:08,344 Unless, of course, it's happened before 690 00:36:08,379 --> 00:36:11,551 and many claim it did, across the pond. 691 00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:15,896 It's called the Rendlesham forest incident dubbed Britain's Roswell. 692 00:36:15,931 --> 00:36:21,344 In 1980, military personnel claimed to spot UFOs near RAF Bentwaters, 693 00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:23,931 an airbase in England that was being used at the time 694 00:36:23,965 --> 00:36:25,482 by the U.S. Air Force. 695 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:28,034 I've personally investigated this story and met with 696 00:36:28,068 --> 00:36:30,000 former deputy commander of the base, 697 00:36:30,034 --> 00:36:31,931 Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt. 698 00:36:31,965 --> 00:36:33,827 [man 1] There it is, I see it too. 699 00:36:33,862 --> 00:36:34,862 [man 2] What is it? 700 00:36:34,896 --> 00:36:36,551 [man 1] We don't know, sir. 701 00:36:36,586 --> 00:36:40,137 [Josh] Colonel Holt claimed that an unidentified craft shot a beam of light 702 00:36:40,172 --> 00:36:42,827 into the base's weapon storage facility, 703 00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:46,137 which had long been rumored to house nuclear weapons. 704 00:36:46,172 --> 00:36:49,344 If an alien craft really did visit that base, 705 00:36:49,379 --> 00:36:51,172 maybe now, we know why. 706 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,482 [Josh] Jess and Phil have been investigating unidentified objects 707 00:37:01,517 --> 00:37:04,379 that have been reported over Socorro, New Mexico 708 00:37:04,413 --> 00:37:10,862 since officer Lonnie Zamora claimed to have encountered an alien craft in 1964. 709 00:37:10,896 --> 00:37:14,724 And scientist Dave Thomas might have just discovered hard evidence, 710 00:37:14,758 --> 00:37:19,655 that can finally explain one of the most iconic events in UFO history. 711 00:37:19,689 --> 00:37:23,724 I think that explanation, probably is this. 712 00:37:23,758 --> 00:37:25,862 -Oh, that is interesting. -Oh, wow. 713 00:37:25,896 --> 00:37:30,482 The White Sands Missile Range was testing the lunar surveyor, 714 00:37:30,517 --> 00:37:33,172 on April 24th, 1964. 715 00:37:33,206 --> 00:37:35,413 And we have logs from the range. 716 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,724 [Phil] April 24th, 1964, 717 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:43,034 the very same day, Lonnie Zamora had his encounter. 718 00:37:43,068 --> 00:37:46,517 And according to the test logs from the White Sands Missile Range, 719 00:37:46,551 --> 00:37:51,068 it's the same day they were testing this highly secretive lunar surveyor. 720 00:37:51,103 --> 00:37:54,344 Keep in mind, this was at the height of the space race. 721 00:37:54,379 --> 00:37:58,965 And five full years before Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the moon. 722 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,931 The surveyor had three landing pods, 723 00:38:01,965 --> 00:38:04,482 and then it had four rocket engines. 724 00:38:04,517 --> 00:38:08,862 And yeah, would have been one of the strangest gadgets you can imagine. 725 00:38:08,896 --> 00:38:12,448 One of the things that Lonnie mentioned seeing when you came across the UFO, 726 00:38:12,482 --> 00:38:16,344 was the fact that it had this blue flame shooting up from underneath it 727 00:38:16,379 --> 00:38:18,931 which scorched the earth around it. What could that have been? 728 00:38:18,965 --> 00:38:22,655 I think what they were testing is, there's these rockets, 729 00:38:22,689 --> 00:38:24,517 they were on the bottom of the craft. 730 00:38:24,551 --> 00:38:27,275 Lonnie Zamora did see something strange, 731 00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:30,068 but we think it's probably from White Sands, 732 00:38:30,103 --> 00:38:32,034 not from outer space. 733 00:38:32,068 --> 00:38:35,000 Is there anything else about Zamora's description that you think 734 00:38:35,034 --> 00:38:37,586 matches up to this lunar lander? 735 00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:40,172 The two guys in the coveralls could have been... 736 00:38:41,827 --> 00:38:43,482 ...the people in the helicopter. 737 00:38:44,068 --> 00:38:45,793 That is interesting. 738 00:38:45,827 --> 00:38:49,344 Since gravity on the moon is six times less than that on the earth, 739 00:38:49,379 --> 00:38:51,482 the surveyor was suspended from a helicopter 740 00:38:51,517 --> 00:38:54,172 to mimic the conditions of a lunar landing. 741 00:38:54,206 --> 00:38:57,482 And that helicopter was piloted by two people. 742 00:38:57,517 --> 00:39:01,034 The same number of beings that officer Zamora described. 743 00:39:01,068 --> 00:39:05,793 Dave also has an explanation for one of the landing's most puzzling details, 744 00:39:05,827 --> 00:39:09,793 the strange symbol that officer Zamora reported adorning the craft. 745 00:39:09,827 --> 00:39:14,275 Lonnie Zamora actually said he saw some sort of symbol on the side of the craft. 746 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:15,103 The logo... 747 00:39:16,275 --> 00:39:19,862 ...that Lonnie saw, may have been... 748 00:39:21,172 --> 00:39:24,310 ...from, uh, Hughes Aircraft Company. 749 00:39:24,344 --> 00:39:26,655 [Phil] The Hughes Aircraft Company actually built 750 00:39:26,689 --> 00:39:29,275 the first lunar surveyor for NASA. 751 00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:33,379 And that actually matches up to a known company at the time? 752 00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:36,379 Pretty close to what's on Howard Hughes's business card. 753 00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:39,689 Man, that's a pretty good match. 754 00:39:39,724 --> 00:39:41,241 [Phil] Yeah, I can see it. 755 00:39:41,275 --> 00:39:44,413 While not an exact match, you can definitely see the similarities, 756 00:39:44,448 --> 00:39:48,000 considering Lonnie Zamora sketched the symbol he saw from memory. 757 00:39:48,034 --> 00:39:52,448 How come Project Bluebook didn't know White Sands was launching, 758 00:39:52,482 --> 00:39:54,551 you know, test equipment that day? 759 00:39:54,586 --> 00:39:58,931 You know, when you work on a classified facility like White Sands Missile Range, 760 00:39:58,965 --> 00:40:02,931 they have compartmentalization and need-to-know. 761 00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:06,413 So, the government might have been keeping secrets from itself, essentially? 762 00:40:06,448 --> 00:40:07,655 Uh, it does it every day. 763 00:40:08,793 --> 00:40:11,206 -Thank you, Dave. -Thank you, Dave. 764 00:40:11,241 --> 00:40:13,413 All right, what do you think? 765 00:40:13,448 --> 00:40:17,448 Well, this Socorro thing, completely unexplainable. 766 00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:20,931 -Mm-hm. -And bizarre. And then we talked to Dave. 767 00:40:21,448 --> 00:40:23,551 I have to say, 768 00:40:23,586 --> 00:40:25,862 what Dave is bringing to the table, 769 00:40:26,896 --> 00:40:29,344 -is tough to ignore. -It makes so much sense. 770 00:40:29,379 --> 00:40:33,482 He actually has solid proof that White Sands military base 771 00:40:33,517 --> 00:40:38,103 had scheduled that lunar test that same day. 772 00:40:38,137 --> 00:40:41,896 But it still doesn't explain away all UFO sightings. 773 00:40:43,655 --> 00:40:46,517 [Josh] Based on this new revelation, the Lonnie Zamora incident 774 00:40:46,551 --> 00:40:51,379 is most likely explained by top-secret testing of a lunar surveyor. 775 00:40:51,413 --> 00:40:54,655 But, as Jess points out, this does not discount 776 00:40:54,689 --> 00:40:57,034 every strange sighting over Socorro. 777 00:40:57,068 --> 00:41:01,103 And, there may be more to this story, than meets the eye. 778 00:41:01,137 --> 00:41:03,310 After further analysis and enhancement of 779 00:41:03,344 --> 00:41:06,000 the mysterious object captured above the mesa... 780 00:41:06,448 --> 00:41:07,827 What is this? 781 00:41:07,862 --> 00:41:09,931 [Jessica] Oh, look at it spin. 782 00:41:09,965 --> 00:41:14,758 ...and after isolating the strange sounds collected on the parabolic microphone, 783 00:41:14,793 --> 00:41:19,068 both pieces of evidence remain unidentified. 784 00:41:19,103 --> 00:41:23,310 There's little doubt that life exists beyond earth somewhere in the universe, 785 00:41:23,344 --> 00:41:25,862 as for those who insist they witnessed aliens 786 00:41:25,896 --> 00:41:28,103 flying over the skies of Socorro, 787 00:41:28,137 --> 00:41:29,931 that remains to be proven. 788 00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:32,862 So, keep looking skyward, 789 00:41:32,896 --> 00:41:35,379 because the truth really is, out there. 790 00:41:38,379 --> 00:41:40,551 For more information on Expedition X, 791 00:41:40,586 --> 00:41:43,655 head to DISCOVERY.COM/EXPEDITIONX 67515

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