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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:22,105 --> 00:01:24,831 We've been trained from the very beginning 2 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:27,097 to fear nuclear power. 3 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,779 And with it, our terror of radiation. 4 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,235 It was in our subconsciousness. 5 00:01:37,771 --> 00:01:42,877 There was the original sin of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 6 00:01:44,797 --> 00:01:47,946 It became a collective trauma, 7 00:01:47,985 --> 00:01:51,287 with schoolchildren responding to nuclear alerts, 8 00:01:52,093 --> 00:01:54,665 and the need for fallout shelters, 9 00:01:54,704 --> 00:01:56,087 having been told more than once 10 00:01:56,125 --> 00:01:58,161 that civilization could be destroyed 11 00:01:58,199 --> 00:02:01,500 in a few moments with little, if any, warning. 12 00:02:03,728 --> 00:02:05,763 There were movies in the 1950s 13 00:02:05,801 --> 00:02:07,081 already picturing the doom of man 14 00:02:07,107 --> 00:02:08,796 from radiated sea monsters... 15 00:02:08,835 --> 00:02:13,289 and all kinds of genetically mutated creatures. 16 00:02:15,016 --> 00:02:16,168 No doubt it was the outcome 17 00:02:16,207 --> 00:02:18,088 for us who were severing Mother Nature 18 00:02:18,127 --> 00:02:21,199 from human nature with our technology. 19 00:02:23,962 --> 00:02:25,690 It was a horrible vision, 20 00:02:25,729 --> 00:02:29,108 bigger than any child's basic fear of death. 21 00:02:29,146 --> 00:02:32,985 It was a death of everyone and everything. 22 00:02:33,294 --> 00:02:37,017 The end of the world almost happened in October 1962 23 00:02:37,056 --> 00:02:39,129 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. 24 00:02:40,973 --> 00:02:42,279 But President Kennedy and 25 00:02:42,318 --> 00:02:46,157 Premier Nikita Khrushchev of the Soviet Union 26 00:02:46,195 --> 00:02:48,038 mercifully backed down. 27 00:02:49,229 --> 00:02:51,993 Young people began protesting "The System" 28 00:02:52,031 --> 00:02:56,101 that produced cruel wars and nuclear weapons, 29 00:02:56,524 --> 00:03:01,554 along with various injustices and the destruction of nature. 30 00:03:02,975 --> 00:03:04,549 A counterculture emerged, 31 00:03:04,588 --> 00:03:08,580 offering a broad critique of American society. 32 00:03:09,272 --> 00:03:12,036 Industrial capitalism and corporate America 33 00:03:12,075 --> 00:03:14,263 were seen as the enemy. 34 00:03:15,184 --> 00:03:21,405 Earth Day 1970 marked a visible shift in global consciousness. 35 00:03:21,443 --> 00:03:25,245 Drawing huge crowds, it became a key rallying point 36 00:03:25,283 --> 00:03:29,046 for environmentalism and the counterculture. 37 00:03:29,469 --> 00:03:33,693 It created broad public support for anti-pollution measures. 38 00:03:33,731 --> 00:03:35,113 And within this atmosphere, 39 00:03:35,151 --> 00:03:37,725 the government's push for nuclear energy 40 00:03:37,763 --> 00:03:39,567 was suddenly suspect. 41 00:03:39,605 --> 00:03:44,289 Licensing and construction of nuclear reactors was ramping up. 42 00:03:44,329 --> 00:03:48,091 And the fear of nuclear energy plants in your own backyard 43 00:03:48,129 --> 00:03:52,852 merged into an army of other pollutions fouling the earth. 44 00:03:58,228 --> 00:04:00,201 We realize that with these multi-national corporations, 45 00:04:00,225 --> 00:04:03,067 we're going to uranium mining and uranium milling. 46 00:04:03,105 --> 00:04:05,523 We're going to have possibly nuclear power plants. 47 00:04:05,562 --> 00:04:06,330 We're going to possibly have 48 00:04:06,368 --> 00:04:07,904 high-level nuclear waste disposal. 49 00:04:07,943 --> 00:04:10,669 -No one in the world wants nuclear waste. 50 00:04:10,707 --> 00:04:11,898 -We have to have either oil 51 00:04:11,936 --> 00:04:15,161 or coal or whatever, but certainly not nuclear. 52 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,770 And, as with all emerging technologies, 53 00:04:18,809 --> 00:04:19,885 there were setbacks. 54 00:04:19,923 --> 00:04:23,148 It was the first step in a nuclear nightmare. 55 00:04:23,186 --> 00:04:25,606 As far as we know, at this hour, no worse than that. 56 00:04:25,644 --> 00:04:28,985 Three Mile Island wasnthe only famous nuclear accident 57 00:04:29,023 --> 00:04:29,830 in the United States ever. 58 00:04:29,868 --> 00:04:32,094 Thousand gallons of radioactive water 59 00:04:32,133 --> 00:04:36,088 escaped into the reactor building... Yet no one was harmed. 60 00:04:36,126 --> 00:04:37,432 But the public was shaken. 61 00:04:37,470 --> 00:04:40,081 Close all windows and doors! 62 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,655 And the breathless news coverage 63 00:04:41,693 --> 00:04:44,497 with no acknowledgement of the lack of casualties... 64 00:04:44,536 --> 00:04:46,109 Officials of Metropolitan Edison 65 00:04:46,148 --> 00:04:48,720 conceded some workers may have been contaminated. 66 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,484 ...stoked their fears into a sense of urgency 67 00:04:52,522 --> 00:04:53,674 and even panic. 68 00:04:55,940 --> 00:04:57,551 But in a twist of history, 69 00:04:57,590 --> 00:05:02,391 it happened just as a fictionalnuclear power disaster movie 70 00:05:02,429 --> 00:05:03,849 was in theaters. 71 00:05:07,574 --> 00:05:10,031 -No, please, let me answer the question. 72 00:05:10,070 --> 00:05:13,257 Misinformation about nuclear's true potential 73 00:05:13,295 --> 00:05:15,561 and safety spread rampant. 74 00:05:15,599 --> 00:05:16,251 -If there's one accident, 75 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:20,053 it could just devastate an area like southern New York State. 76 00:05:20,091 --> 00:05:22,049 Nuclear power would produce 77 00:05:22,088 --> 00:05:27,541 over 32,000 cancer deaths per year in the United States. 78 00:05:27,579 --> 00:05:30,573 People don't think well when they're scared. 79 00:05:30,612 --> 00:05:32,378 Fear is a mind-killer, 80 00:05:32,417 --> 00:05:36,525 and all these fears traumatized young people. 81 00:05:40,673 --> 00:05:44,204 And as momentum built toward anti-nuclear sentiment, 82 00:05:44,243 --> 00:05:48,083 a second, potentially-avoid able disaster struck. 83 00:05:51,692 --> 00:05:54,572 We were recently stricken by a disaster... 84 00:05:54,611 --> 00:05:57,183 the Chernobyl nuclear power accident. 85 00:05:57,221 --> 00:05:59,525 It deeply affected the Soviet people 86 00:05:59,563 --> 00:06:01,791 and disturbed world opinion. 87 00:06:04,978 --> 00:06:08,011 I too once believed the environmentalists were right 88 00:06:08,050 --> 00:06:11,083 and that nuclear power was dangerous. 89 00:06:11,122 --> 00:06:13,733 We were, in our way, terribly miseducated, 90 00:06:13,771 --> 00:06:19,569 subconsciously cross-wiringnnuclear war with nuclear power. 91 00:06:19,607 --> 00:06:22,602 And then, as nuclear energy was being quietly shunted 92 00:06:22,641 --> 00:06:28,054 to the side as an aberration in our scientific development, 93 00:06:28,093 --> 00:06:29,897 another physical revolution 94 00:06:29,936 --> 00:06:33,661 snowballed into the public consciousness, 95 00:06:33,699 --> 00:06:38,115 completely eclipsing the nuclear controversy: 96 00:06:39,688 --> 00:06:40,917 Climate Change. 97 00:06:45,832 --> 00:06:48,635 It was as bad or even worse to the imagination 98 00:06:48,673 --> 00:06:51,016 as nuclear extinction had been, 99 00:06:51,592 --> 00:06:55,163 which in a way we had accustomed ourselves to. 100 00:06:55,201 --> 00:06:57,967 But here now was a monster that could, in fact, 101 00:06:58,005 --> 00:07:00,231 deliver the end of the world. 102 00:07:01,767 --> 00:07:03,087 Climate scientists were now warning us 103 00:07:03,111 --> 00:07:07,757 that humans were destabilizingnthe world's ecological systems. 104 00:07:07,910 --> 00:07:12,941 In 1988, the congressional testimony of Dr. James Hansen, 105 00:07:12,979 --> 00:07:15,206 a leading climate scientist, 106 00:07:15,245 --> 00:07:17,818 rang the alarm loudly and clearly. 107 00:07:17,856 --> 00:07:22,387 -We have already reached one tipping point. 108 00:07:22,426 --> 00:07:25,343 And we are going to lose all of the sea ice 109 00:07:25,381 --> 00:07:28,415 in the Arctic in the summer season. 110 00:07:28,569 --> 00:07:29,759 Among others, he clarified 111 00:07:29,797 --> 00:07:32,447 that we were burning more and more fossil fuels 112 00:07:32,485 --> 00:07:36,057 and dumping too much carbon into the atmosphere... 113 00:07:37,169 --> 00:07:41,163 mostly gases like carbon dioxide and methane. 114 00:07:41,201 --> 00:07:43,582 These gases were raising global temperatures 115 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:45,886 and beginning to change the climate. 116 00:07:45,924 --> 00:07:49,803 An outspoken minority reacted with sarcasm and anger... 117 00:07:49,841 --> 00:07:50,915 -Do you know what this is? 118 00:07:50,955 --> 00:07:55,101 It's a snowball, from outside here. 119 00:07:55,139 --> 00:07:58,288 So it's very, very cold out, very unseasonable. 120 00:07:58,327 --> 00:08:00,055 So here, Mr. President, catch this. 121 00:08:00,093 --> 00:08:02,935 They thought the notion highly exaggerated and overblown. 122 00:08:02,973 --> 00:08:07,426 While on the other side, many others reacted with alarm 123 00:08:07,465 --> 00:08:09,308 demanding radical change. 124 00:08:09,346 --> 00:08:11,535 Hope is taking action. 125 00:08:11,574 --> 00:08:13,225 We can still turn this around. 126 00:08:13,263 --> 00:08:15,606 It will take drastic annual emission cuts 127 00:08:15,644 --> 00:08:18,447 unlike anything the world has ever seen. 128 00:08:21,134 --> 00:08:24,629 In 2021, the IPCC stated 129 00:08:24,667 --> 00:08:26,817 that if we didn't cut carbon emissions 130 00:08:26,856 --> 00:08:31,080 by nearly 100 percent in less than 30 years, 131 00:08:31,118 --> 00:08:35,264 by 2050, the world would suffer serious damage 132 00:08:35,303 --> 00:08:38,336 to ecosystems and economies. 133 00:08:39,028 --> 00:08:42,868 Because we are still depending on fossil fuels 134 00:08:42,906 --> 00:08:45,708 for one of our most basic needs: 135 00:08:49,319 --> 00:08:50,431 electricity. 136 00:09:01,758 --> 00:09:06,405 Most of our power still comes from burning gas and coal, 137 00:09:06,443 --> 00:09:09,746 and the amount is going up, not down. 138 00:09:09,784 --> 00:09:12,932 The resulting volume of carbon-free electricity 139 00:09:12,970 --> 00:09:17,771 needed over the next 30 years is almost unimaginable. 140 00:09:18,002 --> 00:09:20,765 Realistic estimates range from two to four times 141 00:09:20,804 --> 00:09:23,722 the electricity we currently use. 142 00:09:24,874 --> 00:09:28,291 This is an even bigger problem than we thought. 143 00:09:28,329 --> 00:09:30,595 How can we create even more electricity 144 00:09:30,633 --> 00:09:34,128 and still cut down on carbon dioxide emissions 145 00:09:34,166 --> 00:09:36,508 to halt the climate crisis? 146 00:09:36,547 --> 00:09:39,541 We've run out of time to be afraid. 147 00:09:40,886 --> 00:09:46,453 It's time to look again at a proven source of energy. 148 00:09:46,492 --> 00:09:50,408 It's time to look again at nuclear. 149 00:09:50,447 --> 00:09:57,166 Because this incredible power... the very thing that we fear... 150 00:09:57,204 --> 00:09:59,239 is what may save us. 151 00:10:13,831 --> 00:10:16,326 An estimated five billion years ago, 152 00:10:16,365 --> 00:10:18,246 our sun and solar system 153 00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:22,470 were formed in the aftermath of an exploding star. 154 00:10:23,813 --> 00:10:28,268 Scientists call this kind of explosion a supernova. 155 00:10:28,883 --> 00:10:33,682 Light, X-rays, and radio waves pour out in every direction, 156 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,252 and immense shock waves, with unimaginable energy, 157 00:10:37,291 --> 00:10:41,015 fling matter across great distances. 158 00:10:42,476 --> 00:10:46,661 A bit of that matter collided and became Earth. 159 00:10:48,887 --> 00:10:52,036 Hidden below the surface of this newly-formed planet 160 00:10:52,075 --> 00:10:55,761 are many elements that were created in that supernova, 161 00:10:55,799 --> 00:10:57,835 including those we extract from the Earth 162 00:10:57,873 --> 00:11:02,595 like tin, copper, gold and many others. 163 00:11:02,634 --> 00:11:06,589 One of these elements is the element of uranium. 164 00:11:06,627 --> 00:11:10,620 Packed with energy from its creation in a supernova, 165 00:11:11,158 --> 00:11:13,807 it's a natural energy source that has been there, 166 00:11:13,845 --> 00:11:18,223 connecting us to our galaxy for billions of years. 167 00:11:19,452 --> 00:11:23,713 The presence of this star power throughout the planet, 168 00:11:23,752 --> 00:11:24,290 radiating energy, 169 00:11:24,329 --> 00:11:29,665 has kept the Earth warm since before life began. 170 00:11:30,702 --> 00:11:32,200 And still does. 171 00:11:38,612 --> 00:11:44,256 In 1896, 5,000 years into our recorded history, 172 00:11:44,296 --> 00:11:45,523 the Polish-born Marie Curie 173 00:11:45,562 --> 00:11:49,363 and her French scientist husband Pierre Curie, 174 00:11:49,402 --> 00:11:52,588 along with French engineer Henri Becquerel... 175 00:11:52,626 --> 00:11:55,276 Pierre... discovered the energy-releasing property 176 00:11:55,314 --> 00:11:58,540 of certain elements, like uranium. 177 00:11:58,886 --> 00:11:59,692 It's there. 178 00:11:59,730 --> 00:12:02,994 They knew then that the whole conception of matter 179 00:12:03,033 --> 00:12:04,761 would be changed. 180 00:12:05,068 --> 00:12:08,369 That there indeed existed a unique form of matter 181 00:12:08,408 --> 00:12:15,051 that was not inert, that was alive, with a superpower. 182 00:12:15,089 --> 00:12:18,545 Marie Curie named it radioactivity. 183 00:12:19,773 --> 00:12:22,731 They could only imagine what this volatile matter 184 00:12:22,769 --> 00:12:26,071 could become or later achieve. 185 00:12:26,109 --> 00:12:30,141 For this, one of the greatest gifts nature has ever given us, 186 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:35,479 energy in a new form, they received the Nobel Prize. 187 00:12:38,128 --> 00:12:41,507 Then just a few years later, in 1905, 188 00:12:41,545 --> 00:12:44,194 independently working in Zurich, Switzerland, 189 00:12:44,232 --> 00:12:46,537 the theoretical physicist Albert Einstein 190 00:12:46,575 --> 00:12:50,991 discovered the astounding truth that, in its simplest form, 191 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:54,792 matter is energy waiting to happen. 192 00:12:54,984 --> 00:12:57,595 And that the Earth contains more energy 193 00:12:57,634 --> 00:12:59,668 than we ever imagined. 194 00:12:59,706 --> 00:13:04,738 Liberating energy from matter was now the new challenge. 195 00:13:06,926 --> 00:13:07,809 Scientists then discovered 196 00:13:07,847 --> 00:13:10,535 that particles colliding with uranium atoms 197 00:13:10,573 --> 00:13:13,876 sometimes split the uranium into smaller fragments 198 00:13:13,914 --> 00:13:17,408 with a large and rapid release of energy. 199 00:13:18,522 --> 00:13:21,248 They named this process "fission", 200 00:13:21,286 --> 00:13:24,742 which could access the stored energy quickly 201 00:13:24,780 --> 00:13:30,501 instead of in a slow trickle, as does radioactivity. 202 00:13:30,539 --> 00:13:32,383 The physics of fission were first explained 203 00:13:32,421 --> 00:13:37,451 by the Austrian Lise Meitner in 1938. 204 00:13:39,026 --> 00:13:40,485 But unfortunately, that year, 205 00:13:40,523 --> 00:13:42,328 through a coincidence of history, 206 00:13:42,367 --> 00:13:45,745 came on the eve of the biggest war ever. 207 00:13:50,314 --> 00:13:51,237 And the first thing people did 208 00:13:51,275 --> 00:13:55,038 with this scientific breakthrough, was make a bomb. 209 00:13:55,575 --> 00:13:56,804 And use it. 210 00:14:09,321 --> 00:14:12,508 America's Manhattan Project, born out of World War II, 211 00:14:12,546 --> 00:14:17,192 created the knowledge and fuel to build such a bomb. 212 00:14:19,727 --> 00:14:22,415 By packing uranium together densely enough, 213 00:14:22,453 --> 00:14:26,292 scientists learned to create a chain reaction. 214 00:14:29,672 --> 00:14:32,935 Enrico Fermi and his team in 1942 215 00:14:32,974 --> 00:14:36,507 created the first controlled nuclear chain reaction 216 00:14:36,545 --> 00:14:40,923 in a squash court under the University of Chicago stadium. 217 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:45,645 The stadium did not blow up, nor the university. 218 00:14:45,683 --> 00:14:47,334 They had built a simple device 219 00:14:47,373 --> 00:14:49,638 in which a pile of graphite and uranium 220 00:14:49,677 --> 00:14:54,898 was filled with cadmium rodsthat slowed the chain reaction. 221 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:57,471 As the rods were removed one by one, 222 00:14:57,509 --> 00:15:00,812 the uranium fission chain reaction began. 223 00:15:00,850 --> 00:15:03,999 Remove more rods and the energy increased, 224 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:07,762 put some rods back in place and it decreased. 225 00:15:08,376 --> 00:15:13,599 Thus, if a chain reaction could be sustained and accelerated, 226 00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:18,321 it would result in a powerful explosion. 227 00:15:20,433 --> 00:15:25,118 The good news was that uranium'senergy could be controlled, 228 00:15:25,156 --> 00:15:27,997 as Fermi had done in Chicago. 229 00:15:28,035 --> 00:15:30,955 If controlled, the potential of this new discovery 230 00:15:30,993 --> 00:15:34,794 for the benefit of society was beyond measure. 231 00:15:41,974 --> 00:15:44,279 The first productive use of that energy 232 00:15:44,317 --> 00:15:47,426 was to run submarines and ships. 233 00:15:48,577 --> 00:15:51,535 Admiral Hyman Rickover was a poor Jewish immigrant 234 00:15:51,574 --> 00:15:54,376 who, once admitted to the Naval Academy, 235 00:15:54,414 --> 00:15:56,296 never left the Navy. 236 00:15:56,334 --> 00:15:57,641 He had the mind of an engineer 237 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:00,635 who, seeing the goal clearer than anyone, 238 00:16:00,673 --> 00:16:03,822 cut through time and space to make it happen. 239 00:16:03,861 --> 00:16:06,894 The idea of solving a problem, building something, 240 00:16:06,933 --> 00:16:10,503 creating something, drove him all his life. 241 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,877 -This is the reactor or the atomic pile. 242 00:16:16,916 --> 00:16:18,260 There's uranium in here... 243 00:16:18,298 --> 00:16:20,487 Rickover built the first nuclear reactor 244 00:16:20,525 --> 00:16:22,560 that fit into a submarine hull. 245 00:16:24,903 --> 00:16:27,820 The USS Nautilus was inspired in part by Jules Verne's 246 00:16:27,859 --> 00:16:33,849 classic 19th century fable 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, 247 00:16:34,003 --> 00:16:37,843 exploring our original home in the sea. 248 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,638 Nautilus was, in its own way, a fantasy underwater vehicle 249 00:16:44,677 --> 00:16:46,289 designed and built by Rickover 250 00:16:46,327 --> 00:16:51,243 in just three years between 1952 and '54. 251 00:16:52,433 --> 00:16:55,313 It was a magnificent achievement. 252 00:16:56,964 --> 00:16:57,770 And over the next three decades, 253 00:16:57,809 --> 00:17:01,303 Rickover supervised the building of hundreds of reactors, 254 00:17:01,341 --> 00:17:04,067 all quickly and successfully. 255 00:17:04,682 --> 00:17:08,714 The Navy still has 100 of them operating now. 256 00:17:11,593 --> 00:17:12,976 More than 60 years later, 257 00:17:13,014 --> 00:17:16,009 the Navy has run this fleet of small floating reactors 258 00:17:16,048 --> 00:17:18,505 for a combined 6,000 reactor years 259 00:17:18,544 --> 00:17:23,074 without a single major nuclear-related incident. 260 00:17:23,112 --> 00:17:26,722 An aircraft carrier is a 100,000-ton, 6,000-person 261 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,830 city of steel, moving at 35 miles an hour. 262 00:17:30,868 --> 00:17:33,250 It's an awesome piece of technology 263 00:17:33,288 --> 00:17:36,206 that's being powered by supernova energy. 264 00:17:36,244 --> 00:17:39,354 In other words, a mere two reactors so compact 265 00:17:39,393 --> 00:17:42,695 that they could fit into a large living room. 266 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:46,189 With just one of these reactors, 267 00:17:46,227 --> 00:17:49,300 the submarine can stay submerged for months 268 00:17:49,338 --> 00:17:51,987 and thousands of miles. 269 00:17:52,025 --> 00:17:56,134 It doesn't need refueling for 25 years. 270 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:02,547 - A fuel pellet, the size of my... - the tip of my pinkie 271 00:18:02,585 --> 00:18:06,962 has as much energy as a ton of coal. 272 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,839 The uranium to make that pellet costs a buck or two. 273 00:18:11,877 --> 00:18:16,907 A ton of coal costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $100. 274 00:18:16,945 --> 00:18:17,829 Huge difference. 275 00:18:17,868 --> 00:18:24,663 And nuclear operates so cleanly, you can do it underwater 276 00:18:24,702 --> 00:18:27,198 with 150 people sealed up in a ship 277 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:29,463 and having their power plant running. 278 00:18:29,502 --> 00:18:31,767 Now imagine trying to operate 279 00:18:31,806 --> 00:18:35,761 even just a small gasoline engine in a sealed building. 280 00:18:35,798 --> 00:18:39,024 Wouldn't take very long before you'd kill everybody. 281 00:18:39,062 --> 00:18:40,483 After I went on board submarines, 282 00:18:40,522 --> 00:18:42,403 I recognized that all the things 283 00:18:42,442 --> 00:18:44,976 that excited me were still there. 284 00:18:45,014 --> 00:18:47,394 And technically it was so easy. 285 00:18:47,433 --> 00:18:50,313 The secret that nobody wants to tell you 286 00:18:50,351 --> 00:18:54,421 who serves in the Navy is... the easiest job in the Navy 287 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:56,188 is being a reactor operator. 288 00:18:57,032 --> 00:18:57,801 -You don't have to do anything. 289 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:00,143 You're sitting there and everything works, 290 00:19:00,181 --> 00:19:02,485 and you just sit there. 291 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,088 In a major address at the United Nations 292 00:19:10,126 --> 00:19:11,585 in front of 3,500 delegates 293 00:19:11,624 --> 00:19:13,505 from most of the countries of the world, 294 00:19:13,544 --> 00:19:18,036 President Eisenhower shared his vision for nuclear technology. 295 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:20,416 -This greatest of destructive forces can be 296 00:19:20,455 --> 00:19:25,906 developed into a great boon for the benefit of all mankind. 297 00:19:25,945 --> 00:19:27,826 Eisenhower proposed that the only way 298 00:19:27,865 --> 00:19:29,593 to overcome international conflict 299 00:19:29,631 --> 00:19:33,127 was to use nuclear power to produce cheap 300 00:19:33,165 --> 00:19:35,775 and massive amounts of electricity. 301 00:19:37,464 --> 00:19:38,655 -Experts would be mobilized 302 00:19:38,694 --> 00:19:41,803 to apply atomic energy to the needs of agriculture, 303 00:19:41,841 --> 00:19:44,838 medicine and other peaceful activities. 304 00:19:44,876 --> 00:19:48,062 A special purpose would be to provide 305 00:19:48,101 --> 00:19:49,368 abundant electrical energy 306 00:19:49,406 --> 00:19:52,094 in the power-starved areas of the world. 307 00:19:52,133 --> 00:19:55,819 Thus the contributing powers would be dedicating 308 00:19:55,857 --> 00:19:58,928 some of their strength to serve the needs, 309 00:19:58,967 --> 00:20:02,384 rather than the fears, of mankind. 310 00:20:04,188 --> 00:20:05,149 He went on to make probably 311 00:20:05,188 --> 00:20:09,258 the most optimistic statement of his eight years in office. 312 00:20:09,296 --> 00:20:11,869 The United States pledges before you... 313 00:20:11,907 --> 00:20:16,207 to devote its entire heart and mind to find the way 314 00:20:16,246 --> 00:20:19,356 by which the miraculous inventiveness of man 315 00:20:19,395 --> 00:20:22,390 shall not be dedicated to his death, 316 00:20:22,428 --> 00:20:25,270 but consecrated to his life. 317 00:20:28,687 --> 00:20:30,222 The entire assembly of delegates 318 00:20:30,261 --> 00:20:32,795 from around the world, including the Soviet Union, 319 00:20:32,834 --> 00:20:36,635 responded with warm and sustained applause. 320 00:20:40,245 --> 00:20:44,392 Eisenhower's Atoms for Peace program was born here. 321 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:48,154 This was a most promising moment for mankind. 322 00:20:50,113 --> 00:20:51,994 Fulfilling his pledge to the world 323 00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:53,607 and turning to his proven team, 324 00:20:53,645 --> 00:20:56,985 Eisenhower asked Admiral Rickover and the Navy 325 00:20:57,024 --> 00:20:58,406 to build a nuclear reactor 326 00:20:58,444 --> 00:21:01,593 that could generate civilian electricity. 327 00:21:01,632 --> 00:21:03,590 Adapting his submarine design, 328 00:21:03,628 --> 00:21:06,700 Rickover went at it in his usual way, 329 00:21:06,739 --> 00:21:07,904 and in Shippingport, Pennsylvania, 330 00:21:07,928 --> 00:21:13,880 broke ground in 1954 and began generating in 1958. 331 00:21:18,411 --> 00:21:20,293 -But here is truly the most wonderful 332 00:21:20,331 --> 00:21:23,825 and exciting thing I've ever had the chance to talk about... 333 00:21:23,863 --> 00:21:27,473 it's the Westinghouse Total Electric Home. 334 00:21:27,511 --> 00:21:30,430 A home where electricity does everything. 335 00:21:30,468 --> 00:21:34,462 It heats, cools, preserves and prepares food, 336 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:35,959 and entertains. 337 00:21:39,261 --> 00:21:42,409 The Cold War was a period of prosperity. 338 00:21:42,678 --> 00:21:46,402 The plan was that by the 21st century, the American economy 339 00:21:46,441 --> 00:21:47,862 would be mostly nuclear-powered, 340 00:21:47,901 --> 00:21:50,127 with little if any air pollution, 341 00:21:50,165 --> 00:21:52,930 no climate gasses, and grids of plentiful 342 00:21:52,968 --> 00:21:56,808 clean electricity crisscrossing the country. 343 00:21:57,423 --> 00:22:01,186 New York City was going to be powered by nuclear reactors, 344 00:22:01,224 --> 00:22:05,141 the first of which was being built upriver at Indian Point. 345 00:22:05,793 --> 00:22:08,751 Carbon emission would drop substantially. 346 00:22:09,058 --> 00:22:12,935 We would be in the process ofelectrifying our entire country. 347 00:22:12,973 --> 00:22:15,892 Futurists imagined modern all-electric cities 348 00:22:15,931 --> 00:22:19,347 with electric heat, light and air conditioning 349 00:22:19,386 --> 00:22:21,267 in our homes and buildings. 350 00:22:21,306 --> 00:22:23,341 Electric trains would replace diesel, 351 00:22:23,379 --> 00:22:27,258 and new transportation systems would evolve. 352 00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:30,906 Westinghouse and General Electric 353 00:22:30,944 --> 00:22:33,133 followed in Rickover's tracks. 354 00:22:33,171 --> 00:22:36,357 And from the late 1960s to the '80s, 355 00:22:36,396 --> 00:22:40,044 built almost 100 large reactors. 356 00:22:41,886 --> 00:22:43,844 Other countries followed. 357 00:22:44,613 --> 00:22:46,687 France, embracing the vision of its president, 358 00:22:46,725 --> 00:22:51,524 Charles de Gaulle, opened its first nuclear power plant 359 00:22:51,563 --> 00:22:53,752 in 1964 at Chinon. 360 00:22:55,096 --> 00:22:57,899 And then from 1975 to '90, 361 00:22:57,937 --> 00:23:00,702 in response to the escalating price of oil 362 00:23:00,740 --> 00:23:07,613 in the crisis of 1973, built 56 reactors in 15 years. 363 00:23:08,765 --> 00:23:14,026 Sweden built a dozen reactors on four sites in the '70s and '80s. 364 00:23:14,064 --> 00:23:17,250 Six of those plants continue to operate today, 365 00:23:17,289 --> 00:23:19,708 producing 30 percent of Sweden's electricity 366 00:23:19,746 --> 00:23:25,238 and most of the rest coming from hydro, wind and bio fuels. 367 00:23:26,582 --> 00:23:30,305 Sweden during this time cut its carbon emissions by 50 percent. 368 00:23:30,344 --> 00:23:33,186 And contrary to what many critics claimed would be 369 00:23:33,225 --> 00:23:35,105 a disaster for its economy, 370 00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:37,755 electricity generation more than doubled 371 00:23:37,793 --> 00:23:42,209 and its economy actually expanded by 50 percent. 372 00:23:43,246 --> 00:23:44,782 The same is true for Canada, 373 00:23:44,821 --> 00:23:47,853 which built 19 reactors of Canadian design, 374 00:23:47,892 --> 00:23:51,540 mostly in the industrial heartland of Ontario province, 375 00:23:51,578 --> 00:23:54,189 which in those years switched off coal 376 00:23:54,228 --> 00:23:57,299 and reduced emissions by 90 percent. 377 00:23:57,568 --> 00:24:01,561 West Germany launched its first commercial reactor in 1969, 378 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,671 and by 2010, 22 percent of the electricity 379 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:08,549 of a reunited Germany came from nuclear. 380 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:11,814 Japan, which imported its first commercial reactor 381 00:24:11,852 --> 00:24:13,580 from England in 1966, 382 00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:17,419 had five operating reactors going by 1973, 383 00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:21,182 and was expanding construction with a major program. 384 00:24:21,221 --> 00:24:24,446 By the end of the '70s, Japan had become an expert 385 00:24:24,485 --> 00:24:25,560 in standardized designs, 386 00:24:25,597 --> 00:24:29,706 and exporting nuclear to other countries in Asia. 387 00:24:31,243 --> 00:24:33,738 But the world's first nuclear power plant 388 00:24:33,777 --> 00:24:35,351 to ever produce clean electricity 389 00:24:35,389 --> 00:24:39,728 was actually built back in 1954 by the Soviets. 390 00:24:41,456 --> 00:24:42,609 The atomic power station 391 00:24:42,647 --> 00:24:45,910 has become one of the operating industrial plants 392 00:24:45,948 --> 00:24:47,331 of the U.S.S.R. 393 00:24:47,369 --> 00:24:52,284 The Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant today stands as a museum, 394 00:24:52,323 --> 00:24:56,240 and a monument to clean energy and the power of the atom. 395 00:24:56,278 --> 00:24:58,811 The process of uranium nuclear fission, 396 00:24:58,850 --> 00:25:03,765 releasing of atomic energy, takes place in this reactor. 397 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:09,256 Many important world figures visited the plant in operation, 398 00:25:09,295 --> 00:25:12,250 including three high-level American delegations 399 00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:15,668 curious about its usages for industrial production, 400 00:25:15,706 --> 00:25:19,162 as well as any signals for use in war. 401 00:25:19,201 --> 00:25:21,811 They could find none. 402 00:25:23,118 --> 00:25:25,421 But it was a signal from the Soviet Union 403 00:25:25,459 --> 00:25:26,727 in the middle of the Cold War, 404 00:25:26,766 --> 00:25:30,182 a demonstration of their peaceful intentions, 405 00:25:30,221 --> 00:25:32,601 especially after Eisenhower's speech 406 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,866 asking for shared nuclear know-how 407 00:25:34,904 --> 00:25:37,901 for the benefit of all mankind. 408 00:25:37,939 --> 00:25:40,972 Atoms are working for peace. 409 00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:49,189 This mid-century dream of a fuel-efficient world, 410 00:25:50,417 --> 00:25:56,407 run by clean atomic energy, without fossil fuels... 411 00:25:57,175 --> 00:25:59,364 it was all within our grasp. 412 00:25:59,518 --> 00:26:03,818 So, what happened to this promising moment? 413 00:26:08,003 --> 00:26:11,153 Eisenhower's 1953 vision of Atoms for Peace 414 00:26:11,191 --> 00:26:14,339 was a mortal threat to the rich and powerful 415 00:26:14,378 --> 00:26:16,605 coal and oil industries. 416 00:26:16,643 --> 00:26:19,330 And they were ready to challenge nuclear energy 417 00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:21,289 from the beginning. 418 00:26:21,327 --> 00:26:25,090 The giant oil companies, nicknamed the Seven Sisters, 419 00:26:25,129 --> 00:26:26,933 straddling all the world's markets 420 00:26:26,972 --> 00:26:30,351 since early in the century, spent a great deal of money 421 00:26:30,389 --> 00:26:35,804 to present themselves as necessary to our prosperity. 422 00:26:35,842 --> 00:26:39,336 America's iconic oil family, the Rockefellers, 423 00:26:39,374 --> 00:26:42,523 through their foundation, set about promoting the idea 424 00:26:42,561 --> 00:26:47,246 that low-level radiation harms human health. 425 00:26:47,284 --> 00:26:48,488 -And so they set up a committee 426 00:26:48,512 --> 00:26:52,199 to study the biological effects of atomic radiation and... 427 00:26:52,237 --> 00:26:54,157 kind of put their thumb on the scale 428 00:26:54,195 --> 00:26:56,999 for what the committee's results would be. 429 00:26:57,037 --> 00:26:59,724 And then they took one of the directors 430 00:26:59,763 --> 00:27:03,487 from the Rockefeller Foundation, a guy named Warren Weaver, 431 00:27:03,526 --> 00:27:07,174 was put in charge of this genetics committee. 432 00:27:07,212 --> 00:27:09,132 And not surprising to me, 433 00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:10,706 the report from the genetics committee 434 00:27:10,745 --> 00:27:14,354 came out on June 12th, 1956, 435 00:27:14,393 --> 00:27:18,041 and said radiation, all the way down to a single gamma ray 436 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:19,769 was hazardous to your health. 437 00:27:19,807 --> 00:27:23,569 The Rockefeller Foundation included the publisher 438 00:27:23,608 --> 00:27:26,065 of the New York Times, Arthur Sulzberger. 439 00:27:26,104 --> 00:27:29,176 So if they wanted to help sway public opinion, 440 00:27:29,214 --> 00:27:31,787 they didn't need to buy ads, necessarily. 441 00:27:31,825 --> 00:27:35,857 They just helped get a particular point of view published. 442 00:27:35,972 --> 00:27:38,736 The resulting fear of low-level radiation, 443 00:27:38,775 --> 00:27:41,578 which has never garnered evidence to justify it, 444 00:27:41,616 --> 00:27:46,685 began to erode the optimism around this new industry. 445 00:27:49,181 --> 00:27:53,212 The Sierra Club promoted nuclear power before it opposed it. 446 00:27:53,251 --> 00:27:56,668 The club was an old organizationfounded in 1892, 447 00:27:56,707 --> 00:28:01,198 primarily devoted to hiking, climbing and exploring nature. 448 00:28:02,774 --> 00:28:06,190 Will Siri, a biophysicist from Berkeley 449 00:28:06,229 --> 00:28:08,533 and experienced mountaineer and a veteran of 450 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:11,643 Oppenheimer's Manhattan Project, had been influential 451 00:28:11,682 --> 00:28:16,442 in conserving the California redwoods and the Grand Canyon. 452 00:28:16,481 --> 00:28:18,823 Like many early conservationists, 453 00:28:18,861 --> 00:28:21,242 he strongly favored nuclear energy 454 00:28:21,281 --> 00:28:22,601 and arranged for the club's blessing 455 00:28:22,625 --> 00:28:26,272 to the opening of California's Diablo Canyon reactor 456 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:30,419 in San Luis Obispo in 1966. 457 00:28:30,996 --> 00:28:35,257 Twice the club membership voted to support the action. 458 00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:36,947 Siri said at the time: 459 00:28:36,985 --> 00:28:38,406 "Nuclear power 460 00:28:38,444 --> 00:28:44,512 is one of the chief long-term hopes for conservation." 461 00:28:44,588 --> 00:28:47,736 Ansel Adams, the club's legendary photographer 462 00:28:47,775 --> 00:28:50,578 and board member, said nuclear was, 463 00:28:50,616 --> 00:28:52,958 "the only practical alternative that we have 464 00:28:52,996 --> 00:28:57,489 to destroying the environment with oil and coal." 465 00:28:57,528 --> 00:28:59,255 -They spent a lot of time in the early years 466 00:28:59,294 --> 00:29:02,290 fighting against dams that would fill up valleys 467 00:29:02,328 --> 00:29:02,865 full of water. 468 00:29:02,903 --> 00:29:06,281 The Sierra Club used to have a campaign called 469 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,316 Atoms, Not Dams, under David Brower. 470 00:29:09,354 --> 00:29:12,925 And then David Brower left the Sierra Club in a huff 471 00:29:12,963 --> 00:29:15,345 and founded Friends of the Earth. 472 00:29:15,383 --> 00:29:17,878 And did you know, I'd known Friends of the Earth 473 00:29:17,917 --> 00:29:20,605 was a big anti-nuclear organization. 474 00:29:20,643 --> 00:29:21,296 But then I found out 475 00:29:21,334 --> 00:29:23,752 where David Brower got his first check... 476 00:29:23,791 --> 00:29:30,549 $200,000 from Robert Anderson, who was the CEO of ARCO. 477 00:29:31,049 --> 00:29:32,930 He wrote the first check to David Brower, 478 00:29:32,968 --> 00:29:36,271 who was founding an environmentalist organization 479 00:29:36,309 --> 00:29:39,457 specifically to fight nuclear energy. 480 00:29:39,495 --> 00:29:42,990 So why would an oil guy fund Friends of the Earth? 481 00:29:43,028 --> 00:29:47,790 Makes sense to me. And it's not conspiracy. 482 00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:50,401 It's simply business. 483 00:29:50,592 --> 00:29:54,509 Soon, Brower's faction regained power in the Sierra Club 484 00:29:54,547 --> 00:29:57,235 and switched its position. 485 00:29:58,310 --> 00:30:00,845 Other groups sprang up as well, notably 486 00:30:00,883 --> 00:30:05,414 Greenpeace, in 1971 in Vancouver, Canada. 487 00:30:09,024 --> 00:30:11,213 Along with issues like saving the whales, 488 00:30:11,251 --> 00:30:14,514 it fused a peace position on nuclear disarmament 489 00:30:14,553 --> 00:30:19,582 with an environmental position on opposing nuclear energy. 490 00:30:20,274 --> 00:30:23,921 -We lumped nuclear energy in with nuclear weapons 491 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,148 as if all things nuclear were evil. 492 00:30:26,187 --> 00:30:30,832 This was a mistake. We got a lot of things right. 493 00:30:30,872 --> 00:30:32,791 Stop the bomb. Save the whales. 494 00:30:32,829 --> 00:30:34,787 Stop toxic waste, et cetera. 495 00:30:34,826 --> 00:30:38,091 But we made that one serious error. 496 00:30:38,129 --> 00:30:40,203 The new battleground was Ohio, 497 00:30:40,241 --> 00:30:43,965 where new reactors were to be built instead of coal plants. 498 00:30:44,003 --> 00:30:48,265 The environmental groups hired nlobbyists and filed lawsuits. 499 00:30:48,303 --> 00:30:52,681 The young attorney, Ralph Nader, nwho'd gained the public's trust 500 00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:54,524 in the mid-'60's with his criticism 501 00:30:54,562 --> 00:30:57,058 of the safety of American cars, joined the cause 502 00:30:57,097 --> 00:31:01,282 and now helped turn the public against nuclear power. 503 00:31:01,974 --> 00:31:04,815 -If we stop nuclear power, or shall we say, 504 00:31:04,854 --> 00:31:08,193 when we stop nuclear power, we will usher in 505 00:31:08,232 --> 00:31:10,536 throughout the United States and the world 506 00:31:10,574 --> 00:31:14,760 the sun, the sun... 507 00:31:14,798 --> 00:31:17,870 which Exxon doesn't like because it's free, 508 00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:20,481 it's abundant, it can bypass Exxon. 509 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,052 Stopping atomic energy is saving this country. 510 00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:27,431 He wildly exaggerated the dangers from radioactivity, 511 00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:31,808 saying "A nuclear accident could wipe out Cleveland 512 00:31:31,847 --> 00:31:34,303 and the survivors would envy the dead." 513 00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:38,566 Six of the eight Ohio reactors planned were closed, 514 00:31:38,604 --> 00:31:44,595 including one canceled in 1975, when it was 97 percent complete. 515 00:31:44,633 --> 00:31:47,781 It was then turned into a coal plant. 516 00:31:47,819 --> 00:31:50,854 To this day, two-thirds of Ohio electricity 517 00:31:50,892 --> 00:31:55,461 is powered by dirty coal, which alone kills 518 00:31:55,499 --> 00:31:58,610 about half a million people worldwide per year 519 00:31:58,648 --> 00:32:01,335 and sickens millions more with horrible effects 520 00:32:01,373 --> 00:32:05,559 such as cancer, emphysema, and heart disease. 521 00:32:05,597 --> 00:32:09,207 -If you want to accuse us of having raised the costs 522 00:32:09,245 --> 00:32:13,969 of building new nuclear plants by demanding more regulation, 523 00:32:14,007 --> 00:32:15,543 I plead guilty. 524 00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:23,798 In 1979, there were 72 commercial reactors in the U.S. 525 00:32:23,836 --> 00:32:25,003 ...happened early this morning 526 00:32:25,027 --> 00:32:26,678 at a nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania. 527 00:32:26,716 --> 00:32:29,788 But then came Three Mile Island. 528 00:32:29,827 --> 00:32:33,744 The reactor overheated and partially melted down, 529 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,237 but the containment structure prevented radiation 530 00:32:37,275 --> 00:32:39,578 from affecting the surroundings. 531 00:32:39,617 --> 00:32:43,151 -There was no apparent serious contamination of workers. 532 00:32:43,189 --> 00:32:46,145 But the accident in 1979 was a gift 533 00:32:46,183 --> 00:32:49,601 to the anti-nuclear movement, that would lead to a halt 534 00:32:49,639 --> 00:32:52,903 in the building of any more nuclear reactors. 535 00:32:52,942 --> 00:32:56,167 Later that year, a star-studded cast of musicians 536 00:32:56,206 --> 00:32:58,816 put on five nights of No Nukes concerts 537 00:32:58,854 --> 00:33:00,391 at Madison Square Garden... 538 00:33:06,073 --> 00:33:06,880 ...followed by a rally 539 00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:12,908 on Battery Park landfill attended by 200,000 people. 540 00:33:24,004 --> 00:33:28,805 Along with Ralph Nader and other stars, Jane Fonda spoke. 541 00:33:28,844 --> 00:33:30,724 -The money that is being raised 542 00:33:30,763 --> 00:33:35,447 is going to support all of the local anti-nuclear groups 543 00:33:35,486 --> 00:33:38,135 around the country, and I want to express my gratitude 544 00:33:38,174 --> 00:33:40,747 and I know you feel the same way. 545 00:33:42,897 --> 00:33:45,699 She followed up with a 32-day, 50-city tour 546 00:33:45,738 --> 00:33:50,307 to spread the gospel and raise a good deal of money. 547 00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:53,202 For the environmental groups, stopping nuclear power 548 00:33:53,226 --> 00:33:59,177 was now glamorous, virtuous, and lucrative, all at once. 549 00:33:59,215 --> 00:34:02,249 And they had a friend in President Jimmy Carter, 550 00:34:02,287 --> 00:34:05,474 who promoted energy conservation and installed solar panels 551 00:34:05,513 --> 00:34:10,081 on the White House, while downgrading nuclear energy 552 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,228 below coal on his list of priorities. 553 00:34:15,227 --> 00:34:16,532 -It does now seem likely 554 00:34:16,571 --> 00:34:18,798 that sometime in the last couple of days, 555 00:34:18,836 --> 00:34:20,272 there's been perhaps the worst accident 556 00:34:20,296 --> 00:34:25,057 in the short history of the world's nuclear power industry. 557 00:34:26,632 --> 00:34:28,744 But the fact that they've had to reveal it 558 00:34:28,782 --> 00:34:30,663 and admit that there are casualties 559 00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:33,850 suggests they're deeply worried about the scale of it. 560 00:34:33,888 --> 00:34:35,847 When Chernobyl in the Ukraine part 561 00:34:35,885 --> 00:34:37,690 of the Soviet Union struck, 562 00:34:37,728 --> 00:34:41,337 it deeply shook the public's faith in nuclear. 563 00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:43,180 It was just what the environmentalists 564 00:34:43,218 --> 00:34:44,562 had feared and predicted. 565 00:34:46,407 --> 00:34:48,710 But what happened exactly? 566 00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:52,203 There's no question the reactor was poorly designed 567 00:34:52,241 --> 00:34:55,198 and lacked a containment structure to keep radiation 568 00:34:55,237 --> 00:34:58,270 from leaking out into the environment. 569 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,649 The operators carried out a risky experiment 570 00:35:01,688 --> 00:35:03,876 that led to a meltdown... 571 00:35:04,913 --> 00:35:06,694 which was very badly handled by the bureaucracy 572 00:35:06,718 --> 00:35:11,440 of what was then an empire in decay, the Soviet Union, 573 00:35:11,479 --> 00:35:13,514 which tried to keep it secret. 574 00:35:13,552 --> 00:35:17,430 This allowed low-level radiation to spread across northern Europe 575 00:35:17,468 --> 00:35:21,078 before the government finally admitted the problem. 576 00:35:21,116 --> 00:35:25,225 They sent in first responderswith inadequate protective gear 577 00:35:25,263 --> 00:35:28,143 to get the fire under control. 578 00:35:28,182 --> 00:35:32,635 And these men were exposed to massive doses of radiation. 579 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:49,493 Vladimir Asmolov was the scientist 580 00:35:49,531 --> 00:35:50,952 in charge of the investigation. 581 00:35:52,065 --> 00:35:56,442 As he spoke, I saw he was haunted by the event. 582 00:35:56,481 --> 00:35:57,570 Yeah, it was a big responsibility. 583 00:35:57,594 --> 00:35:59,898 But you're not responsible for the explosion. 584 00:35:59,937 --> 00:36:03,162 You were in charge of the cleanup. 585 00:36:03,201 --> 00:36:06,618 -I don't agree with you about this. 586 00:36:27,928 --> 00:36:31,768 He thoughtnthe highly-successful HBO series was a fiction, 587 00:36:31,807 --> 00:36:34,686 that the real scientists were professional, 588 00:36:34,724 --> 00:36:37,374 and that there was no conflict with the government, 589 00:36:37,412 --> 00:36:41,060 or the International Atomic Energy Agency. 590 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,525 According to the United Nations 591 00:37:02,563 --> 00:37:03,522 and World Health Organization, 592 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,130 about 50 people died from radiation at the reactor. 593 00:37:08,168 --> 00:37:10,396 And possibly 4,000 from cancers 594 00:37:10,434 --> 00:37:13,160 over the long term in areas downwind. 595 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:14,427 That's a small fraction of 596 00:37:14,465 --> 00:37:17,460 the hundreds of thousands of deaths every year 597 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:21,031 from generating electricity with coal. 598 00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:22,121 Chernobyl, the world's worst 599 00:37:22,145 --> 00:37:24,564 nuclear power accident in history, 600 00:37:24,603 --> 00:37:28,903 was far less deadly than many industrial tragedies. 601 00:37:29,134 --> 00:37:32,934 The 1984 Union Carbide accident in Bhopal, India, 602 00:37:32,973 --> 00:37:37,466 where chemical gas leaked, killed 15 to 20,000 people 603 00:37:37,504 --> 00:37:40,000 and injured half a million more. 604 00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:46,374 The 1975 collapse of a hydroelectric dam in China 605 00:37:46,413 --> 00:37:49,407 killed roughly 200,000 people. 606 00:37:50,098 --> 00:37:52,594 Outdoor air pollution kills an estimated 607 00:37:52,633 --> 00:37:55,166 four million people a year. 608 00:37:56,204 --> 00:38:00,505 Industrial accidents and disease, roughly two million. 609 00:38:00,772 --> 00:38:04,345 Nuclear's death toll, all from Chernobyl, 610 00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:06,187 is at most in the low thousands, 611 00:38:06,225 --> 00:38:10,833 which is a very tiny fraction of fossil fuel deaths. 612 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,804 By the early '90s, 613 00:38:27,842 --> 00:38:31,069 activist anti-nuclear groups were on fire, 614 00:38:31,107 --> 00:38:33,487 calling for no compromise on the bottom line 615 00:38:33,526 --> 00:38:36,060 that nuclear power must be eliminated 616 00:38:36,098 --> 00:38:37,673 and that any amount of radiation, 617 00:38:37,711 --> 00:38:40,246 even if below the normal background levels, 618 00:38:40,284 --> 00:38:44,968 had to be treated as a risk to human health. 619 00:38:45,006 --> 00:38:48,577 Every new nuclear-related project from mining to transport 620 00:38:48,616 --> 00:38:52,570 to construction, operation, and decommissioning 621 00:38:52,608 --> 00:38:55,336 was now facing a series of legal, political, 622 00:38:55,374 --> 00:38:57,024 and economic obstacles 623 00:38:57,063 --> 00:39:00,212 that would stall any further progress. 624 00:39:03,053 --> 00:39:05,050 The supposed death knell for the industry 625 00:39:05,088 --> 00:39:08,621 finally happened 25 years after Chernobyl, 626 00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:12,230 in Fukushima, Japan, in 2011. 627 00:39:12,268 --> 00:39:16,646 It was the second largest accident in nuclear history. 628 00:39:21,062 --> 00:39:22,790 It happened when the biggest earthquake 629 00:39:22,828 --> 00:39:24,902 Japan ever suffered... 630 00:39:28,318 --> 00:39:33,195 created a tsunami, 100 feet tall. 631 00:39:37,073 --> 00:39:40,951 The earthquake and the tsunami killed about 18,000 people, 632 00:39:40,989 --> 00:39:44,331 but it had nothing to do with nuclear power. 633 00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:49,437 All the nuclear plants in the tsunami's path, 634 00:39:49,476 --> 00:39:53,700 with one exception, avoided serious damage. 635 00:39:54,044 --> 00:39:57,040 But the plant at Fukushima, like Chernobyl's, 636 00:39:57,078 --> 00:39:58,806 was poorly designed. 637 00:39:58,844 --> 00:40:02,262 Not the reactor, but the site design. 638 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:06,024 It had too low a seawall, less than 20 feet, 639 00:40:06,063 --> 00:40:09,519 and all backup generators were located on low ground 640 00:40:09,557 --> 00:40:11,094 where they flooded. 641 00:40:11,132 --> 00:40:15,586 The plant lost electricity. The core melted down. 642 00:40:15,624 --> 00:40:19,771 Hydrogen gas built up, and exploded inside the building, 643 00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:23,265 and radiation was released into the air. 644 00:40:23,572 --> 00:40:26,145 But the authorities, unlike at Chernobyl, 645 00:40:26,183 --> 00:40:28,103 did not send in unprotected people 646 00:40:28,142 --> 00:40:31,713 to fight the highly-radioactive fire, 647 00:40:31,751 --> 00:40:32,633 and the public never received 648 00:40:32,672 --> 00:40:36,090 more than low-level harmless radiation. 649 00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:38,432 Fukushima might be the only disaster in history, 650 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:42,272 widely called a nuclear disaster by almost everyone, 651 00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:46,188 with a death toll of zero from nuclear. 652 00:40:46,688 --> 00:40:51,756 More than 600 died from the badly-managed forced evacuation, 653 00:40:51,794 --> 00:40:54,789 such as when patients were abruptly yanked out 654 00:40:54,828 --> 00:40:56,517 of hospitals. 655 00:40:56,556 --> 00:41:00,127 But the actual disaster was the tsunami, 656 00:41:00,165 --> 00:41:03,045 with its 18,000 victims. 657 00:41:06,655 --> 00:41:09,495 Nonetheless, Japan reacted in panic, 658 00:41:09,534 --> 00:41:11,415 closing down all its nuclear plants, 659 00:41:11,454 --> 00:41:14,103 whether affected by the earthquake or not. 660 00:41:14,142 --> 00:41:17,174 And the country remains frozen with doubt. 661 00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:22,627 In 2021, ten years after the accident, 662 00:41:22,666 --> 00:41:28,348 only ten of Japan's 33 operable reactors were in use. 663 00:41:28,618 --> 00:41:32,226 Imported fossil fuels replaced the rest. 664 00:41:35,913 --> 00:41:38,063 The negativity of world opinion resulting from 665 00:41:38,101 --> 00:41:43,515 both Chernobyl and Fukushima now reached a critical mass. 666 00:41:45,857 --> 00:41:47,279 Germany took the most severe course, 667 00:41:47,317 --> 00:41:51,694 and under significant political pressure from the Green Party, 668 00:41:53,077 --> 00:41:57,569 began phasing outnall 17 of its nuclear reactors, 669 00:41:58,989 --> 00:42:02,867 while continuing to rely on coal plants. 670 00:42:06,516 --> 00:42:10,355 Even in Sweden, winds were blowing against nuclear. 671 00:42:10,394 --> 00:42:12,850 A new government that included the Green Party 672 00:42:12,889 --> 00:42:15,154 dramatically raised anti-nuclear taxes 673 00:42:15,193 --> 00:42:19,994 which led to the premature retirement of four reactors. 674 00:42:21,068 --> 00:42:22,796 South Korea had a well-trained generation 675 00:42:22,834 --> 00:42:27,787 of engineers and scientists and a standardized design, 676 00:42:27,825 --> 00:42:31,742 and had been generatingelectricity at a very low price 677 00:42:31,781 --> 00:42:33,701 when it decided to pull back. 678 00:42:33,739 --> 00:42:38,270 The heavily-publicized 2016 feature "Pandora," 679 00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:42,763 which pictured an accident farnworse than the actual Fukushima, 680 00:42:46,718 --> 00:42:50,288 grabbed and swayedpublic opinion against nuclear. 681 00:42:50,787 --> 00:42:54,780 And the government stopped construction on new plants. 682 00:42:56,585 --> 00:42:59,119 The trend of politicians around most developed countries 683 00:42:59,158 --> 00:43:02,614 of shutting down well-working nuclear reactors 684 00:43:02,652 --> 00:43:05,532 met little political opposition. 685 00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:07,198 And it became far easier to approve 686 00:43:07,222 --> 00:43:13,481 a new methane gas power plant or a new coal plant. 687 00:43:14,171 --> 00:43:16,898 And without forward movement, the U.S. nuclear industry 688 00:43:16,936 --> 00:43:20,814 was slowly declining as well, with existing plants 689 00:43:20,853 --> 00:43:24,462 being shut down early... including Indian Point 690 00:43:24,501 --> 00:43:28,610 which supplied 25 percent of New York City's electricity 691 00:43:28,648 --> 00:43:30,298 for many years. 692 00:43:30,337 --> 00:43:33,869 And, the planned closing of Diablo Canyon... California's 693 00:43:33,908 --> 00:43:36,711 last remaining nuclear power plant. 694 00:43:36,749 --> 00:43:41,011 Although in 2022, this was reversed after a fierce battle. 695 00:43:41,049 --> 00:43:43,507 I now believe that nuclear is vital to our future 696 00:43:43,545 --> 00:43:45,964 on this planet, and I've helped start a group 697 00:43:46,003 --> 00:43:47,668 called Mothers for Nuclear to help explain why. 698 00:43:47,692 --> 00:43:51,340 These reactors have operated safely and reliably 699 00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:54,296 for decades, producing about 9 percent 700 00:43:54,335 --> 00:43:59,135 of California's electricity in recent years. 701 00:44:02,552 --> 00:44:04,626 There are still a number of nuclear reactors 702 00:44:04,664 --> 00:44:07,583 working in the United States today. 703 00:44:07,774 --> 00:44:10,962 These legacy reactors, more than 30 or 40 years later, 704 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,799 still supply 20 percent of U.S. electricity. 705 00:44:15,838 --> 00:44:22,020 Working 24-7 without oil spills, gas leaks or coal pollution. 706 00:44:23,325 --> 00:44:25,014 They have become so uneventful 707 00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:28,201 it's easy to forget they even exist. 708 00:44:28,663 --> 00:44:31,504 Many people to this day still think that these plants 709 00:44:31,542 --> 00:44:35,074 are capable of blowing up like a nuclear bomb. 710 00:44:35,459 --> 00:44:38,339 But that's physically impossible because their uranium 711 00:44:38,377 --> 00:44:40,221 is not sufficiently enriched 712 00:44:40,259 --> 00:44:43,023 in any way close to the necessary amount. 713 00:44:43,061 --> 00:44:45,980 The idea that low levels of radiation are dangerous, 714 00:44:46,018 --> 00:44:50,856 right down to near zero, is a contamination phobia, 715 00:44:51,624 --> 00:44:55,618 which, when you think it through, is kind of ridiculous. 716 00:44:55,924 --> 00:44:59,457 We've evolved, after all, on a planet filled with uranium 717 00:44:59,495 --> 00:45:03,872 and bombarded by both sunlight and cosmic rays. 718 00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:07,060 Our bodies are built by nature and evolution 719 00:45:07,099 --> 00:45:10,592 to handle small amounts of radiation. 720 00:45:11,091 --> 00:45:13,741 Medical procedures such as dentistry account for 721 00:45:13,779 --> 00:45:18,924 about one-third of the radiation to which humans are exposed. 722 00:45:19,346 --> 00:45:23,724 The other two-thirds being natural background radiation. 723 00:45:23,762 --> 00:45:25,951 This low-level background radiation doubles 724 00:45:25,989 --> 00:45:29,561 if you live at altitude in Denver, Colorado. 725 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,823 Or triples if you work on a long-distance airline crew. 726 00:45:33,861 --> 00:45:36,932 Or if you smoke a pack of cigarettes each day. 727 00:45:36,971 --> 00:45:42,347 The FDA sets a radiation dosenlimit for diagnostic procedures. 728 00:45:42,961 --> 00:45:45,611 Radioactive iodine treatment of thyroid cancer 729 00:45:45,649 --> 00:45:49,834 delivers 100,000 milli-Sievertsto the thyroid 730 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:53,712 and 200 milli-Sieverts as a whole-body dose. 731 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:57,975 Granite contains some uranium, and you get extra radiation 732 00:45:58,013 --> 00:45:59,279 if you live near a mountain 733 00:45:59,318 --> 00:46:02,429 or work in a building like the U.S. Capitol. 734 00:46:02,467 --> 00:46:05,154 And it's far higher in Ramsar, Iran, 735 00:46:05,193 --> 00:46:07,190 with its radium hot springs. 736 00:46:07,228 --> 00:46:09,724 Or the black sand beaches of Brazil, 737 00:46:09,762 --> 00:46:11,567 where people bury themselves in the sand 738 00:46:11,606 --> 00:46:15,446 to get what they consider a healthy dose. 739 00:46:16,865 --> 00:46:21,128 High levels of radiation are dangerous, for sure. 740 00:46:21,166 --> 00:46:23,355 People died and got very sick from exposure 741 00:46:23,393 --> 00:46:27,195 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and at Chernobyl. 742 00:46:27,233 --> 00:46:30,036 But there is no basis for the public perception 743 00:46:30,074 --> 00:46:31,611 that the offspring from these survivors 744 00:46:31,649 --> 00:46:34,989 had an increased rate of genetic defects. 745 00:46:35,028 --> 00:46:37,178 Massive and careful long-term studies 746 00:46:37,216 --> 00:46:39,866 do not support these conceptions. 747 00:46:40,596 --> 00:46:43,475 Fears of passing down horrible mutations 748 00:46:43,513 --> 00:46:46,124 like the three-eyed fish of The Simpsons 749 00:46:46,163 --> 00:46:48,275 are without foundation. 750 00:47:06,322 --> 00:47:08,165 -So what kind of audience do you get, 751 00:47:08,203 --> 00:47:09,739 and what kind of feedback? 752 00:47:09,778 --> 00:47:13,042 -On TikTok, it's mostly 18-to 25-year-old females, 753 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,922 which is unheard of for science communicators. 754 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,839 A single one of my videos can get something like 755 00:47:18,877 --> 00:47:21,988 500,000 views, and that's 500,000 people 756 00:47:22,026 --> 00:47:24,215 that didn't know anything about nuclear power, 757 00:47:24,253 --> 00:47:26,903 but now do and might have changed their minds. 758 00:47:26,941 --> 00:47:29,744 -What are some of the things that young girls say? 759 00:47:29,782 --> 00:47:31,702 -Some things, like I used to think 760 00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:36,195 that millions of people died when Chernobyl happened. 761 00:47:36,233 --> 00:47:37,577 So there are a lot of people 762 00:47:37,616 --> 00:47:39,343 changing their minds around that. 763 00:47:39,381 --> 00:47:41,916 And nuclear waste as well. 764 00:47:41,955 --> 00:47:44,758 The nuclear industry is the only energy generating industry 765 00:47:44,796 --> 00:47:47,599 that's actually responsible for its waste 766 00:47:47,637 --> 00:47:48,789 because it is radioactive. 767 00:47:48,827 --> 00:47:51,247 And so as soon as it comes out of the plant, 768 00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:54,127 it's handled by the industry. 769 00:47:54,165 --> 00:47:55,370 -We have a highly rigorous process 770 00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:59,733 to manage the waste coming from a nuclear plant. 771 00:47:59,771 --> 00:48:03,841 And we can tell you exactly where every bit of waste is 772 00:48:03,879 --> 00:48:05,569 from every nuclear plant that is operated. 773 00:48:05,607 --> 00:48:11,252 It's contained, it's located on sites that are protected. 774 00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:14,131 We can't say the same for many other energy resources, 775 00:48:14,169 --> 00:48:16,205 where waste goes up in the air, 776 00:48:16,243 --> 00:48:21,312 or we have piles of tailings from those materials. 777 00:48:21,350 --> 00:48:24,037 And I hesitate to call it waste a lot of times 778 00:48:24,076 --> 00:48:26,419 because it's really just used fuel. 779 00:48:26,457 --> 00:48:29,836 -Not a single person anywhere in the world 780 00:48:29,874 --> 00:48:34,290 has ever been harmed by used nuclear fuel. 781 00:48:34,328 --> 00:48:36,364 What many don't know is that if we brought together 782 00:48:36,402 --> 00:48:40,625 all of America's spent fuel from 60 years of powering 783 00:48:40,663 --> 00:48:42,583 20 percent of our electricity, 784 00:48:42,622 --> 00:48:45,233 it would be the size of a Walmart. 785 00:48:45,271 --> 00:48:48,458 60 years, 20 percent of our electricity 786 00:48:48,496 --> 00:48:51,262 would be the size of a Walmart. 787 00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:53,028 There's nothing uniquely dangerous 788 00:48:53,067 --> 00:48:54,986 about radioactive materials. 789 00:48:55,024 --> 00:48:57,904 They're just one of many industrial materials 790 00:48:57,942 --> 00:49:02,550 that can be toxic and must be handled carefully. 791 00:49:03,434 --> 00:49:06,390 The U.S. solution for now is dry cask cylinders, 792 00:49:06,429 --> 00:49:10,114 eighteen feet high, made of concrete and steel, 793 00:49:10,153 --> 00:49:11,842 that keep radiation contained, 794 00:49:11,881 --> 00:49:15,452 and are not damaged by things like earthquakes. 795 00:49:15,490 --> 00:49:18,485 Concrete absorbs radiation. 796 00:49:19,791 --> 00:49:20,636 The government hopes to use 797 00:49:20,674 --> 00:49:24,897 the spent fuel someday to power new reactor types. 798 00:49:24,936 --> 00:49:28,623 Or it can, like their military has been doing for years, 799 00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:31,348 safely bury the waste underground, 800 00:49:31,387 --> 00:49:37,492 because radioactive materialsnactually lose potency over time. 801 00:49:39,258 --> 00:49:42,291 Finland is already building a permanent storage site 802 00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:46,477 for spent fuel in bedrock deep underground. 803 00:49:46,515 --> 00:49:50,738 Sealed in copper canisters and back filled with clay. 804 00:49:51,699 --> 00:49:55,463 Sweden plans to use the same design. 805 00:49:55,501 --> 00:49:58,495 Two billion years ago in Gabon, in Africa, 806 00:49:58,534 --> 00:50:00,415 there were natural nuclear reactors. 807 00:50:00,454 --> 00:50:04,062 Meaning in these uranium mines in Africa, 808 00:50:04,102 --> 00:50:07,595 water would pool around the uranium 809 00:50:07,633 --> 00:50:10,168 and that would create a chain reaction. 810 00:50:10,206 --> 00:50:12,049 And so these reactors operated 811 00:50:12,088 --> 00:50:13,816 for hundreds of thousands of years, 812 00:50:13,854 --> 00:50:17,809 and they left behind what we call nuclear waste, 813 00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:18,730 fission products. 814 00:50:18,768 --> 00:50:22,417 And just by analyzing where these fission products are 815 00:50:22,456 --> 00:50:25,143 in the area, scientists actually know 816 00:50:25,181 --> 00:50:27,946 that nuclear waste doesn't move very far, 817 00:50:27,984 --> 00:50:30,364 even in a scale of hundreds of thousands of years 818 00:50:30,403 --> 00:50:31,978 or, in this case, two billion years. 819 00:50:32,016 --> 00:50:33,936 Hey, guys, so a lot of you have been asking 820 00:50:33,975 --> 00:50:34,819 about my makeup routine. 821 00:50:34,857 --> 00:50:35,588 The most important thing is, 822 00:50:35,626 --> 00:50:37,022 make sure you wash your face really well 823 00:50:37,046 --> 00:50:37,929 because we want those pores 824 00:50:37,967 --> 00:50:38,851 as clean as we want our electricity. 825 00:50:38,889 --> 00:50:41,054 And the best way to get that is to use this cleanser called 826 00:50:41,078 --> 00:50:43,611 Stop Shutting Down Nuclear Plants For Christ's Sake. 827 00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:46,107 It's carbon free, emission free pollution, 828 00:50:46,146 --> 00:50:46,646 free electricity. 829 00:50:46,684 --> 00:50:48,566 The answer to solving climate change 830 00:50:48,604 --> 00:50:49,372 is very straightforward. 831 00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:53,059 We have the solutions. We just have to implement them. 832 00:50:53,097 --> 00:50:56,053 You know, the first question is, but isn't it too dangerous? 833 00:50:56,091 --> 00:50:57,127 What about the waste? 834 00:50:57,165 --> 00:51:01,620 Nuclear waste is nothing compared to climate change. 835 00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:09,876 In 2006, the film An Inconvenient Truth, 836 00:51:09,914 --> 00:51:12,257 produced by former Vice President Al Gore, 837 00:51:12,295 --> 00:51:15,367 dramatized vividly the dangers of carbon emissions 838 00:51:15,405 --> 00:51:16,825 and overheating the planet. 839 00:51:16,864 --> 00:51:20,819 -Look how far above the natural cycle this is. 840 00:51:20,857 --> 00:51:21,510 And we've done that. 841 00:51:21,548 --> 00:51:25,504 -And the Oscar goes toAn Inconvenient Truth. 842 00:51:25,963 --> 00:51:27,616 It opened with a worldwide impact 843 00:51:27,654 --> 00:51:31,302 and won a Nobel Prize and an Oscar. 844 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:34,488 In the years that followed, the issue of climate change 845 00:51:34,527 --> 00:51:35,832 became even more polarized, 846 00:51:35,871 --> 00:51:39,250 with conservatives holding on to their position, 847 00:51:39,288 --> 00:51:39,864 that this was not 848 00:51:39,903 --> 00:51:42,629 an extraordinary event created by mankind. 849 00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:46,738 -Climate change is not science, it's religion. 850 00:51:46,776 --> 00:51:49,233 In 2017, President Trump, 851 00:51:49,271 --> 00:51:51,383 despising tree huggers and liberals, 852 00:51:51,422 --> 00:51:55,069 pulled the United Statesnout of the Paris Climate Accord 853 00:51:55,107 --> 00:51:58,793 and called climate change a hoax. 854 00:52:00,138 --> 00:52:03,670 At the other extreme, environmentalists and activists 855 00:52:03,709 --> 00:52:05,552 were folding the issue of climate change 856 00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:11,120 into a wider agenda of ending capitalism and globalization, 857 00:52:11,158 --> 00:52:14,037 bringing to the forefront inequality. 858 00:52:14,076 --> 00:52:17,148 -We are in the beginning of a mass extinction 859 00:52:17,186 --> 00:52:19,759 and all you can talk about is the money 860 00:52:19,797 --> 00:52:23,867 and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. 861 00:52:23,905 --> 00:52:25,327 How dare you! 862 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,316 But most people were in the middle, 863 00:52:31,355 --> 00:52:34,427 confused by the claims, but scared by the changes 864 00:52:34,465 --> 00:52:37,382 they were seeing so vividly in the weather, 865 00:52:37,422 --> 00:52:40,110 oceans, and animal kingdom. 866 00:52:40,148 --> 00:52:43,795 People wanted not partisan or ideological solutions, 867 00:52:43,834 --> 00:52:45,984 but practical ones. 868 00:52:48,058 --> 00:52:50,629 One solution that gained momentum during this time 869 00:52:50,668 --> 00:52:54,240 was clean energy in the form of renewables. 870 00:52:54,278 --> 00:52:55,546 Global investment in renewables 871 00:52:55,584 --> 00:52:59,231 reached close to $3 trillion dollars 872 00:52:59,269 --> 00:53:02,572 and costs dropped by 80 percent for solar 873 00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:06,604 and 50 percent for wind. A giant step. 874 00:53:06,642 --> 00:53:09,905 Together, wind and solar grew from about two percent 875 00:53:09,944 --> 00:53:14,052 to ten percent of world electricity generation. 876 00:53:15,282 --> 00:53:17,624 Hydroelectric power, the biggest of the renewables, 877 00:53:17,662 --> 00:53:22,040 expanded across southeast Asia and elsewhere. 878 00:53:22,116 --> 00:53:24,881 But despite the massive effort and the optimism, 879 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,184 the Intergovermental Panel on Climate Change... 880 00:53:27,223 --> 00:53:32,828 the IPCC... stated in 2018, and again more strongly 881 00:53:32,866 --> 00:53:36,170 in 2021, that if we didn't cut carbon emissions 882 00:53:36,208 --> 00:53:39,856 by nearly 100 percent in less than 30 years, 883 00:53:39,895 --> 00:53:43,734 by 2050, the world would suffer serious damage 884 00:53:43,772 --> 00:53:46,575 to ecosystems and economies. 885 00:53:46,614 --> 00:53:51,260 There would be mega changes like the melting of polar ice sheets, 886 00:53:51,298 --> 00:53:57,096 sea level rise, coastal cities might become uninhabitable. 887 00:53:57,326 --> 00:54:00,206 There would be an increase in the frequency and size 888 00:54:00,245 --> 00:54:05,888 of extreme weather events, forest fires, droughts, 889 00:54:05,927 --> 00:54:09,920 terrible heat waves, and unusually strong hurricanes. 890 00:54:22,477 --> 00:54:25,625 Ominously, the predictions from the 1980s 891 00:54:25,663 --> 00:54:27,852 are proving to be accurate, 892 00:54:27,891 --> 00:54:31,193 because we're still depending on fossil fuels 893 00:54:31,231 --> 00:54:33,497 and we're in the same place we were 894 00:54:33,535 --> 00:54:36,530 at the turn of the century. 895 00:54:36,568 --> 00:54:37,951 How can that be? 896 00:54:38,181 --> 00:54:41,483 We have put such effort and money into renewables, 897 00:54:41,522 --> 00:54:44,478 yet we burn more fossil fuels than ever. 898 00:54:44,517 --> 00:54:49,853 To understand how this happened, Germany is a good case in point. 899 00:54:51,045 --> 00:54:53,770 No nation has done more to promote green power 900 00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:56,957 in the last 20 years and received a great deal 901 00:54:56,996 --> 00:54:59,223 of favorable publicity. 902 00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:01,219 Germany made the fateful decision 903 00:55:01,257 --> 00:55:05,904 to phase out nuclear power by 2022. 904 00:55:06,057 --> 00:55:08,016 -We won't support even a one second extension 905 00:55:08,054 --> 00:55:11,856 for an energy form that we can't fully control. 906 00:55:17,654 --> 00:55:19,573 Replacing it with roughly the same amount 907 00:55:19,611 --> 00:55:23,912 of electricity using renewable power instead. 908 00:55:24,757 --> 00:55:26,639 How did that work out? 909 00:55:29,173 --> 00:55:33,397 Germany's largest solar plant, with 465,000 panels, 910 00:55:33,435 --> 00:55:37,159 was built on 500 acres. 911 00:55:37,774 --> 00:55:40,154 The nuclear plant, which was recently closed, 912 00:55:40,193 --> 00:55:42,842 was built on about 100 acres. 913 00:55:43,342 --> 00:55:47,334 It operated around the clock, all seasons, all weather, 914 00:55:47,373 --> 00:55:51,558 on average producingnat near 90 percent of its peak. 915 00:55:51,981 --> 00:55:52,994 The average for the solar plant 916 00:55:53,018 --> 00:55:56,013 has been about 11 percent of its peak, 917 00:55:56,051 --> 00:55:56,704 because most of the time, 918 00:55:56,742 --> 00:56:00,429 it's either night, winter, or cloudy. 919 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,039 So the reality is that a nuclear plant 920 00:56:03,077 --> 00:56:05,919 produces almost 100 times the electricity per year 921 00:56:05,957 --> 00:56:11,295 as a solar plant, and can do soon one fifth the land. 922 00:56:11,333 --> 00:56:14,788 Germany also built about 30,000 wind turbines, 923 00:56:14,827 --> 00:56:18,705 some of the newer ones almost as tall as the Eiffel Tower. 924 00:56:19,435 --> 00:56:20,663 Wind has worked for Germany, 925 00:56:20,702 --> 00:56:23,812 producing twice as much electricity as solar. 926 00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:29,227 But it still averages less than a quarter of its peak capacity. 927 00:56:29,802 --> 00:56:31,683 To equal the same amount of nuclear power 928 00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:34,717 would require 4,000 giant turbines 929 00:56:34,755 --> 00:56:37,289 spread over many square kilometers. 930 00:56:37,327 --> 00:56:39,939 And would still depend on the weather. 931 00:56:40,131 --> 00:56:43,049 One way to make wind and solar more efficient 932 00:56:43,087 --> 00:56:44,432 when weather is a factor, 933 00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:48,117 is to store some of their power in batteries. 934 00:56:48,233 --> 00:56:49,961 Their prices are dropping quickly 935 00:56:49,999 --> 00:56:53,109 and there's an intense race going on. 936 00:56:53,148 --> 00:56:54,913 China, at this point is far in the lead, 937 00:56:54,952 --> 00:56:59,099 producing more than 70 percent of all battery cells. 938 00:57:00,827 --> 00:57:05,051 Still, despite the promise of bigger and better batteries, 939 00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:08,699 Bill Gates, who's invested a billion dollars in renewables, 940 00:57:08,737 --> 00:57:10,772 has said there's no battery technology 941 00:57:10,811 --> 00:57:13,307 that's even close to allowing us to take 942 00:57:13,345 --> 00:57:15,572 all of our energy from renewables. 943 00:57:15,611 --> 00:57:20,947 -It'll be a lot of renewables and either a storage miracle 944 00:57:20,986 --> 00:57:24,557 or quite a bit of nuclear. 945 00:57:24,595 --> 00:57:26,323 The problem is scale. 946 00:57:26,362 --> 00:57:28,396 What works for a phone or a car 947 00:57:28,434 --> 00:57:31,660 doesn't work for a city or a continent. 948 00:57:34,194 --> 00:57:37,919 Germany doesn't have the naturalhydroelectric potential 949 00:57:37,958 --> 00:57:39,878 like Norway or New Zealand. 950 00:57:39,916 --> 00:57:42,757 And most of the great hydro sites in the world 951 00:57:42,795 --> 00:57:46,827 are already dammed, leaving little upside in development. 952 00:57:48,709 --> 00:57:52,394 And geothermal energy, such as it exists in Iceland, 953 00:57:52,432 --> 00:57:57,194 is unproven outside of limited volcanic locations. 954 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,647 Which leaves biomass, the burning of organic material. 955 00:58:03,645 --> 00:58:05,450 Germany cuts down and burns forests 956 00:58:05,488 --> 00:58:07,447 in Europe and North America 957 00:58:07,485 --> 00:58:11,708 with a similar result as fossil fuel pollution. 958 00:58:12,668 --> 00:58:16,124 And yet it's called renewable energy, because in theory, 959 00:58:16,163 --> 00:58:19,618 new trees grow back when you cut the old ones down. 960 00:58:19,657 --> 00:58:23,304 But it takes decades for the new trees to grow back. 961 00:58:24,457 --> 00:58:27,298 The mathematics simply do not add up. 962 00:58:30,178 --> 00:58:33,941 All of these renewables combined are not enough to provide 963 00:58:33,979 --> 00:58:36,206 Germany's demand for energy. 964 00:58:36,245 --> 00:58:39,393 So it still has to burn coal. 965 00:58:39,662 --> 00:58:43,079 A more economical solution is natural gas, 966 00:58:43,117 --> 00:58:47,993 also known as methane gas, which is widely available, 967 00:58:48,032 --> 00:58:51,527 especially since the fracking revolution. 968 00:58:51,565 --> 00:58:53,601 Is this a solution? 969 00:58:53,716 --> 00:58:57,363 -Methane gas is less polluting than coal. 970 00:58:57,402 --> 00:58:59,014 That's true. Half the CO2. 971 00:58:59,052 --> 00:59:00,742 But that's still putting CO2 in 972 00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:03,200 every time you light methane fire, 973 00:59:03,238 --> 00:59:05,349 you're putting CO2 into the atmosphere. 974 00:59:05,387 --> 00:59:07,423 And then the dirty secret of it is, 975 00:59:07,461 --> 00:59:10,379 it leaks out all along the line. 976 00:59:10,418 --> 00:59:12,415 Although it's invisible to the eye, 977 00:59:12,453 --> 00:59:15,371 methane can be seen by infrared cameras, 978 00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:18,405 which reveal that it severely pollutes the atmosphere 979 00:59:18,443 --> 00:59:21,822 when it leaks and escapes unburned. 980 00:59:21,861 --> 00:59:23,857 If you take a methane gas detector 981 00:59:23,895 --> 00:59:25,623 and go around, you'll find that 982 00:59:25,662 --> 00:59:27,390 there's gas pipelines everywhere. 983 00:59:27,428 --> 00:59:29,233 Under our streets. Your gas stove. 984 00:59:29,271 --> 00:59:32,074 You turn it on, goes click, click click and then it lights... 985 00:59:32,113 --> 00:59:33,342 that unburned methane. 986 00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:35,684 And when that stuff gets into the atmosphere, 987 00:59:35,722 --> 00:59:40,790 it's 80 times worse for global warming than CO2. 988 00:59:40,829 --> 00:59:44,015 And it doesn't last as long as CO2, but in the immediate, 989 00:59:44,053 --> 00:59:46,704 the next few decades, it's a major problem. 990 00:59:46,742 --> 00:59:49,277 Methane levels are going way up in the atmosphere, 991 00:59:49,315 --> 00:59:53,807 and it's definitely contributinga lot to climate change. 992 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,109 It's no wonder that publicly, oil and gas companies 993 00:59:57,148 --> 00:59:59,797 fully support renewables and lobby for subsidies. 994 00:59:59,836 --> 01:00:05,556 They tell us natural gas is the nperfect partner for renewables. 995 01:00:05,595 --> 01:00:06,608 But it's a false solution. 996 01:00:06,632 --> 01:00:09,166 In the last 30 years, renewables have been going in 997 01:00:09,204 --> 01:00:13,428 on top of fossil fuels, not replacing them. 998 01:00:13,467 --> 01:00:15,579 And that's why the overall proportion 999 01:00:15,617 --> 01:00:19,494 of clean renewable energy hasn't changed. 1000 01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:24,333 Sadly, more than 80 percent ofnenergy use is still fossil fuel. 1001 01:00:25,139 --> 01:00:27,789 Altogether, Germany has spent over $200 billion 1002 01:00:27,827 --> 01:00:30,553 on renewables since 2013. 1003 01:00:30,591 --> 01:00:34,277 But within Europe, Germany has the highest electricity prices, 1004 01:00:34,316 --> 01:00:38,809 and their carbon emissions are among the highest. 1005 01:00:38,962 --> 01:00:43,339 This energy indecision is not just a European phenomenon, 1006 01:00:43,377 --> 01:00:45,950 but is something that is affecting many countries 1007 01:00:45,988 --> 01:00:48,292 on a global scale. 1008 01:00:48,985 --> 01:00:51,556 India, with well over a billion people, 1009 01:00:51,595 --> 01:00:54,475 represents another crucial participant 1010 01:00:54,513 --> 01:00:56,587 in our world community. 1011 01:00:57,123 --> 01:00:58,851 Demand for air conditioning alone 1012 01:00:58,890 --> 01:01:00,771 in India and other hot countries 1013 01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:05,533 is projected to triple by 2050 worldwide. 1014 01:01:05,571 --> 01:01:08,643 India has made tremendous gains in solar power 1015 01:01:08,682 --> 01:01:12,828 and is planning to build at large scale very cheaply. 1016 01:01:12,866 --> 01:01:16,169 It has a new technology-trained workforce. 1017 01:01:16,207 --> 01:01:19,164 Its solar power has become cheaper than coal. 1018 01:01:19,202 --> 01:01:22,850 And wind has become cost competitive. 1019 01:01:22,966 --> 01:01:26,306 Both energies are still weather dependent. 1020 01:01:26,345 --> 01:01:31,374 India has ventured into nuclear power with 23 reactors on-line, 1021 01:01:31,413 --> 01:01:33,870 seven under construction and more planned. 1022 01:01:33,909 --> 01:01:37,403 And Indian consumers, sick of the deadly pollution 1023 01:01:37,441 --> 01:01:39,861 in their cities, may well push the government 1024 01:01:39,899 --> 01:01:44,661 to accelerate these kinds of clean energy initiatives. 1025 01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:48,154 But India is a democracy, and if you don't give people 1026 01:01:48,192 --> 01:01:51,533 what they want, which is cheap electricity, 1027 01:01:51,572 --> 01:01:54,068 you'll be voted out of office. 1028 01:01:54,106 --> 01:01:55,412 So the Indian government says 1029 01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:56,908 that for the next foreseeable future, 1030 01:01:56,947 --> 01:02:01,747 75 percent of their electricity will be from coal. 1031 01:02:04,627 --> 01:02:07,161 In Russia, there is also some indecision 1032 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,004 about their energy future. 1033 01:02:09,043 --> 01:02:11,960 There's a lot of cheap methane gas, 1034 01:02:11,998 --> 01:02:13,051 which can supply electricity 1035 01:02:13,075 --> 01:02:16,414 and can be exported successfully to other countries, 1036 01:02:16,453 --> 01:02:19,717 though at the cost of accelerating climate change. 1037 01:02:19,755 --> 01:02:22,405 But Russia has a significant nuclear program, 1038 01:02:22,443 --> 01:02:24,017 as their government agency Rosatom 1039 01:02:24,056 --> 01:02:26,974 employs some quarter-million engineers, 1040 01:02:27,013 --> 01:02:29,393 researchers and employees. 1041 01:02:30,853 --> 01:02:31,274 -Global warming, 1042 01:02:31,313 --> 01:02:34,769 which is caused by CO2 emission, is something which is 1043 01:02:34,806 --> 01:02:37,033 very painfully felt here in Russia 1044 01:02:37,072 --> 01:02:39,991 because a big chunk of Russia's territory 1045 01:02:40,029 --> 01:02:42,026 is located closer to the North. 1046 01:02:42,065 --> 01:02:47,824 This is why we actually feel all these variations in temperature. 1047 01:02:48,976 --> 01:02:51,049 So I'll give you an example, Mr. Stone. 1048 01:02:51,088 --> 01:02:55,003 Currently in the world, there is 490 gigawatts 1049 01:02:55,042 --> 01:02:56,923 of installed nuclear capacity. 1050 01:02:56,962 --> 01:03:01,378 If we replace this with gas or oil power generation, 1051 01:03:01,416 --> 01:03:04,603 that would cause emission of more than 1052 01:03:04,642 --> 01:03:08,442 two billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. 1053 01:03:08,481 --> 01:03:10,170 -I get it. 1054 01:03:10,209 --> 01:03:11,170 -So the nuclear industry is 1055 01:03:11,208 --> 01:03:16,622 in fact, an extra lung that our world has. 1056 01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:19,577 -Well said, an extra lung. 1057 01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:25,261 When it joined the World Trade Organization 1058 01:03:25,299 --> 01:03:28,448 on favorable terms in 2001, 1059 01:03:28,486 --> 01:03:31,251 China became the world's workshop. 1060 01:03:33,401 --> 01:03:37,010 Incomes rose for hundreds of millions of people. 1061 01:03:37,779 --> 01:03:41,272 And with agricultural and computer progress, 1062 01:03:41,311 --> 01:03:45,074 the expectations of people in general brightened. 1063 01:03:45,112 --> 01:03:47,493 But the worm in the apple was that as the West moved 1064 01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:51,180 much of its manufacturing to China, 1065 01:03:51,218 --> 01:03:53,522 more and more coal was burned. 1066 01:03:53,598 --> 01:03:58,475 Half of the world's coal is now burned in China. 1067 01:03:58,897 --> 01:04:00,356 The poster child of this shift 1068 01:04:00,395 --> 01:04:05,270 was the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, built by China, 1069 01:04:05,309 --> 01:04:06,429 its pieces then shipped over 1070 01:04:06,462 --> 01:04:10,032 and put together in the Bay Area in 2013. 1071 01:04:10,070 --> 01:04:13,411 California brags that it doesn't burn coal. 1072 01:04:13,450 --> 01:04:15,023 It's a nice and clean state. 1073 01:04:15,061 --> 01:04:19,209 But China burns the coal for California. 1074 01:04:19,247 --> 01:04:22,166 China has a major decision to make, 1075 01:04:22,205 --> 01:04:24,930 which will impact all our futures. 1076 01:04:25,468 --> 01:04:26,351 Does it modernize 1077 01:04:26,389 --> 01:04:29,807 or does it continue down the path of coal? 1078 01:04:30,536 --> 01:04:32,536 China's emissions, combined with the United States, 1079 01:04:32,571 --> 01:04:35,490 make up almost half of the world's total. 1080 01:04:37,025 --> 01:04:40,635 The key to decarbonization lies in these two countries, 1081 01:04:40,673 --> 01:04:44,436 who ideally should be partners in this global issue. 1082 01:04:46,472 --> 01:04:50,272 What's scary is not the same as what's dangerous. 1083 01:04:50,311 --> 01:04:52,768 Coal is dangerous. 1084 01:04:52,807 --> 01:04:55,072 It kills millions of people every year. 1085 01:04:55,110 --> 01:04:58,528 More people die from coal in a couple of weeks 1086 01:04:58,567 --> 01:05:00,410 than have ever died from nuclear, 1087 01:05:00,448 --> 01:05:03,020 which is all from the one accident in Chernobyl. 1088 01:05:03,058 --> 01:05:05,670 People are scared of flying because it's dramatic. 1089 01:05:05,708 --> 01:05:09,932 If a plane crashes, you know, you're going to die. 1090 01:05:11,007 --> 01:05:14,539 -"I'd say severe turbulence, definitely severe turbulence." 1091 01:05:14,577 --> 01:05:16,167 -And they can't get that image out of their mind. 1092 01:05:16,191 --> 01:05:20,453 But actually driving is far more dangerous than flying. 1093 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,946 And in the same way, a nuclear accident, 1094 01:05:23,984 --> 01:05:27,978 because of all this hype around nuclear power scares people. 1095 01:05:28,016 --> 01:05:31,320 But actually, it's orders of magnitude safer 1096 01:05:31,358 --> 01:05:33,930 than fossil fuel, especially coal. 1097 01:05:33,968 --> 01:05:36,119 It's as though you're on a bridge 1098 01:05:36,157 --> 01:05:39,690 and a train is coming onto the bridge. 1099 01:05:42,608 --> 01:05:45,219 -"Train!!!" 1100 01:05:45,449 --> 01:05:48,444 And the train coming at you is climate change. 1101 01:05:48,484 --> 01:05:48,829 -Oh, shit. 1102 01:05:48,868 --> 01:05:52,323 And what we're doing is trying to run off the bridge 1103 01:05:52,361 --> 01:05:52,975 away from the train, 1104 01:05:53,014 --> 01:05:54,219 but we don't have time to get off the bridge. 1105 01:05:54,243 --> 01:05:57,198 That's our renewables. That's our personal 1106 01:05:57,237 --> 01:05:58,044 carbon footprint.- 1107 01:05:58,083 --> 01:06:01,346 All the little things that we're supposed to do. 1108 01:06:01,384 --> 01:06:01,999 But it's not working. 1109 01:06:02,038 --> 01:06:04,073 And the thing that we have that we know works 1110 01:06:04,111 --> 01:06:07,451 is to jump off the bridge into the water below, 1111 01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:09,410 and that's nuclear power. 1112 01:06:09,448 --> 01:06:10,061 The jump is scary, 1113 01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:12,788 but it's the train that's going to kill you. 1114 01:06:16,359 --> 01:06:18,970 Many in the West's post-industrial lifestyle 1115 01:06:19,009 --> 01:06:22,349 feel they're taking steps in the right direction. 1116 01:06:22,388 --> 01:06:22,887 And they are. 1117 01:06:22,925 --> 01:06:26,458 People preach the green gospel, they recycle, 1118 01:06:26,497 --> 01:06:27,648 they install solar panels, 1119 01:06:27,686 --> 01:06:31,143 and look for sustainability in their consumer brands. 1120 01:06:31,181 --> 01:06:34,713 'Turn out the lights. Drive more efficient cars. 1121 01:06:34,752 --> 01:06:36,825 Reduce your carbon footprint.' 1122 01:06:36,864 --> 01:06:39,859 We do things that are politically doable, affordable, 1123 01:06:39,897 --> 01:06:41,663 convenient and make us feel good 1124 01:06:41,701 --> 01:06:44,658 about being virtuous, better citizens. 1125 01:06:45,426 --> 01:06:47,307 And we all hope, somewhat blindly, 1126 01:06:47,346 --> 01:06:52,529 that these things will add up, but they don't. 1127 01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:56,446 So what do we need to do? 1128 01:06:56,484 --> 01:06:58,366 How do we solve this problem in a better way 1129 01:06:58,404 --> 01:06:59,787 than just trying to add up things 1130 01:06:59,826 --> 01:07:02,743 that don't get to a solution? 1131 01:07:03,050 --> 01:07:04,932 The answer is to think objectively, 1132 01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:10,192 top down from the future back to now, and be very honest. 1133 01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:12,688 Where do we actually need to be in 2050 1134 01:07:12,726 --> 01:07:14,953 to solve carbon emissions? 1135 01:07:14,992 --> 01:07:16,272 And working backwards from there, 1136 01:07:16,297 --> 01:07:20,675 what steps can we take to get to that solution? 1137 01:07:23,516 --> 01:07:28,277 One place to start is to include everyone in our thinking... 1138 01:07:28,316 --> 01:07:29,328 not only the billion people 1139 01:07:29,352 --> 01:07:32,769 living in the richer parts of the world, 1140 01:07:32,807 --> 01:07:34,766 but the seven billion who don't, 1141 01:07:34,804 --> 01:07:38,836 and are now producing two-thirdsof carbon emissions... 1142 01:07:38,875 --> 01:07:44,213 700 million of whom don't have any access to electricity. 1143 01:07:44,251 --> 01:07:46,363 Did the West think the populations of China, 1144 01:07:46,401 --> 01:07:50,278 Africa, India, South America and the Middle East 1145 01:07:50,317 --> 01:07:52,045 wouldn't want what we have? 1146 01:07:52,083 --> 01:07:54,464 Electricity in their homes, cars, computers, 1147 01:07:54,502 --> 01:07:58,534 air conditioners, modernized agriculture? 1148 01:07:58,573 --> 01:07:59,264 Or at a more basic level, 1149 01:07:59,302 --> 01:08:04,563 if your destiny is to grind sugar cane by hand in India, 1150 01:08:04,602 --> 01:08:06,982 that destiny can be hugely transformed 1151 01:08:07,021 --> 01:08:07,941 by an electric grinder. 1152 01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:11,781 That's why poorer countries are building electricity generation 1153 01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:13,471 as fast as they can. 1154 01:08:13,509 --> 01:08:17,118 And they're using the cheapest, fastest, simplest technology 1155 01:08:17,156 --> 01:08:19,345 they can find. 1156 01:08:19,384 --> 01:08:20,652 Coal. 1157 01:08:20,804 --> 01:08:24,146 Can the West now seriously tell billions of people 1158 01:08:24,185 --> 01:08:29,022 they can't enjoy a life-changing event like electricity 1159 01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:31,556 because we've already burned up most of the carbon 1160 01:08:31,595 --> 01:08:33,400 the planet can afford? 1161 01:08:33,438 --> 01:08:36,279 Did we think these populations would use less energy 1162 01:08:36,317 --> 01:08:37,585 than we did? 1163 01:08:37,624 --> 01:08:38,928 And the truth be fully known, 1164 01:08:38,967 --> 01:08:41,539 it's not just electricity we need. 1165 01:08:41,578 --> 01:08:43,498 That's only a third of the total, 1166 01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:45,111 because two-thirds of the energy-related 1167 01:08:45,149 --> 01:08:49,679 carbon dioxide emissionsncome from non-electric sources. 1168 01:08:50,217 --> 01:08:54,095 That is, most transportation, including cars, trucks, 1169 01:08:54,134 --> 01:08:56,898 trains, ships, and planes. 1170 01:08:56,937 --> 01:09:01,237 Secondly, industries such as steel, cement, and fertilizer. 1171 01:09:01,275 --> 01:09:04,770 And thirdly, the heating of homes, offices, 1172 01:09:04,809 --> 01:09:08,110 and all buildings which are not yet electrified. 1173 01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:11,182 And just to get these sectors off the coal, oil and gas 1174 01:09:11,221 --> 01:09:13,985 they depend on, they need to be electrified, 1175 01:09:14,024 --> 01:09:18,133 which will enormously multiply demand for clean electricity. 1176 01:09:18,171 --> 01:09:20,973 The resulting volume of carbon-free electricity 1177 01:09:21,012 --> 01:09:25,159 needed over the next 30 years is almost unimaginable. 1178 01:09:25,197 --> 01:09:28,999 It depends on several factors, but realistic estimates range 1179 01:09:29,037 --> 01:09:34,182 from two to four times the electricity we currently use. 1180 01:09:34,220 --> 01:09:37,791 The world is not standing still as this is going on. 1181 01:09:37,830 --> 01:09:39,942 All these economies are growing fast, 1182 01:09:39,980 --> 01:09:41,900 month by month, year by year. 1183 01:09:41,939 --> 01:09:45,624 We're going to need a gigantic amount of clean electricity 1184 01:09:45,662 --> 01:09:51,115 by 2050... two, three, maybe four times 1185 01:09:51,154 --> 01:09:52,959 all the electricity we use now. 1186 01:09:52,998 --> 01:09:57,105 And it has to be cheap enough to out compete coal and gas. 1187 01:09:57,143 --> 01:10:00,408 And also scalable, able to be built in large quantities 1188 01:10:00,446 --> 01:10:02,443 and at quicker speed. 1189 01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:06,897 Realism dictates that renewablesaren't going to be able 1190 01:10:06,935 --> 01:10:10,505 to bridge this energy gap. 1191 01:10:10,544 --> 01:10:13,233 And we don't have much time till 2050 1192 01:10:13,271 --> 01:10:16,880 to switch over an extremely large system. 1193 01:10:17,225 --> 01:10:21,526 So it becomes apparent, for the sake of humanity, 1194 01:10:21,564 --> 01:10:26,171 that we must seriously reconsider nuclear energy. 1195 01:10:29,589 --> 01:10:31,049 At present, more than 400 reactors 1196 01:10:31,088 --> 01:10:35,387 are producing over 10 percent of the world's electricity. 1197 01:10:35,771 --> 01:10:38,536 Dozens of countries are building more right now, 1198 01:10:38,575 --> 01:10:41,070 about 50 reactors in 16 countries, 1199 01:10:41,108 --> 01:10:44,757 notably in China, India and Russia. 1200 01:10:44,795 --> 01:10:48,674 And another 100 are on order. Most of these in Eurasia, 1201 01:10:48,712 --> 01:10:51,783 with its rapidly rising electricity demand. 1202 01:10:51,822 --> 01:10:54,893 Turkey, Bangladesh and the United Arab Emirates 1203 01:10:54,931 --> 01:10:57,197 are newcomers to the game. 1204 01:10:58,158 --> 01:10:59,962 President Xi Jinping surprisingly, 1205 01:11:00,001 --> 01:11:03,494 suddenly announced in 2020 to the United Nations 1206 01:11:03,533 --> 01:11:06,873 that China intended to drop its carbon emissions 1207 01:11:06,912 --> 01:11:09,792 to zero by 2060. 1208 01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:12,056 This is a huge commitment. 1209 01:11:12,095 --> 01:11:13,670 But can China deliver? 1210 01:11:13,709 --> 01:11:17,395 They have 37 nuclear reactors and are building 19 more, 1211 01:11:17,433 --> 01:11:19,852 which is faster than anyone else. 1212 01:11:20,389 --> 01:11:24,460 They hook a new reactor to the grid every two to three months. 1213 01:11:24,652 --> 01:11:27,032 Having adapted American, Russian, Canadian 1214 01:11:27,071 --> 01:11:30,180 and French designs over the years, 1215 01:11:30,219 --> 01:11:33,521 the Chinese now have their own design, 1216 01:11:33,559 --> 01:11:34,611 the Hualong One, which took 1217 01:11:34,635 --> 01:11:38,973 about five years to build and is now in operation. 1218 01:11:39,011 --> 01:11:41,469 These are inexpensive, heavy workhorse reactors 1219 01:11:41,507 --> 01:11:45,578 that can be built by the tens, maybe by the hundreds. 1220 01:11:45,616 --> 01:11:49,110 China also is building the Linglong One, 1221 01:11:49,149 --> 01:11:50,429 a low-cost small modular reactor, 1222 01:11:50,453 --> 01:11:55,907 called an SMR - a technology first deployed by the Russians. 1223 01:11:55,946 --> 01:11:58,325 It's about one third the size of the Hualong One, 1224 01:11:58,364 --> 01:12:02,818 and can be built in a factory and either sited on land 1225 01:12:02,857 --> 01:12:07,617 or barged to locations around the world and plugged in. 1226 01:12:10,497 --> 01:12:12,994 Whether China standardizes and replicates 1227 01:12:13,033 --> 01:12:15,297 its big reactors or small ones, 1228 01:12:15,336 --> 01:12:19,520 it will be investing deeply in the future of this century. 1229 01:12:19,559 --> 01:12:24,168 These reactors are to last 50 to 80 years or more. 1230 01:12:24,206 --> 01:12:27,661 There's no question the cost of building nuclear plants, 1231 01:12:27,699 --> 01:12:30,464 though dropping, is still huge. 1232 01:12:30,503 --> 01:12:34,649 The positive side is they're inexpensive to operate. 1233 01:12:34,687 --> 01:12:37,837 And once the pattern of building is established successfully, 1234 01:12:37,875 --> 01:12:40,831 reactors could conceivably be built like airliners 1235 01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:46,168 or giant turbines on a factory-scale at a central location. 1236 01:12:48,626 --> 01:12:49,969 The first fully functional SMR 1237 01:12:50,008 --> 01:12:53,465 has already been successfully deployed in Russia 1238 01:12:53,503 --> 01:12:59,416 in a remote but important Arctic port town, Pevek. 1239 01:12:59,453 --> 01:13:01,374 Built in the St. Petersburg shipyards, 1240 01:13:01,412 --> 01:13:04,101 the plant was barged to the Arctic. 1241 01:13:06,096 --> 01:13:09,552 Greenpeace called it a nuclear Titanic, 1242 01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:13,200 but it dodged the icebergs, arrived in a new home, 1243 01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:16,157 plugged into both the grid and the district heating system 1244 01:13:16,196 --> 01:13:18,653 for the town's buildings, and in 2020, 1245 01:13:18,691 --> 01:13:21,802 was powering the town without a problem. 1246 01:13:22,876 --> 01:13:24,298 Similar to the United States, 1247 01:13:24,336 --> 01:13:27,561 Russia is operating 35 reactors, 1248 01:13:27,599 --> 01:13:32,859 accounting for almost 20 percent of its electricity. 1249 01:13:33,551 --> 01:13:34,678 But unlike the United States, 1250 01:13:34,702 --> 01:13:38,504 Russia is building a new reactor each year to replace retirements 1251 01:13:38,542 --> 01:13:40,770 and raise the nuclear share of electricity 1252 01:13:40,808 --> 01:13:42,958 to what they plan, if they stick to it, 1253 01:13:42,997 --> 01:13:49,064 50 percent by mid-century and 75 percent by century's end. 1254 01:13:49,102 --> 01:13:50,984 Russia, with 60 percent of the market, 1255 01:13:51,022 --> 01:13:54,823 is the world's leader in exporting larger reactors, 1256 01:13:54,861 --> 01:13:56,397 specializing in turnkey plants 1257 01:13:56,436 --> 01:13:59,545 that it designs, builds and operates. 1258 01:13:59,777 --> 01:14:03,577 Dozens of projects are underway in India, China, 1259 01:14:03,616 --> 01:14:07,379 Bangladesh, Turkey, and elsewhere. 1260 01:14:08,992 --> 01:14:10,835 The most ambitious development in Russia 1261 01:14:10,873 --> 01:14:13,676 is its fast breeder reactors, which we visited 1262 01:14:13,715 --> 01:14:17,131 close to the foot of the Ural Mountains. 1263 01:14:19,628 --> 01:14:21,509 Beloyarsk is a unique facility. 1264 01:14:21,547 --> 01:14:26,578 It's the only industrial scale fast reactor in the world. 1265 01:14:26,616 --> 01:14:31,186 In a conventional reactor, uranium fuel regularly degrades, 1266 01:14:31,224 --> 01:14:34,257 whereas in a fast neutron reactor, 1267 01:14:34,295 --> 01:14:36,407 it becomes higher and higher grade. 1268 01:14:36,446 --> 01:14:40,670 Then you have the capability to recycle the same fuel 1269 01:14:40,708 --> 01:14:42,474 multiple times. 1270 01:14:43,625 --> 01:14:47,427 -So we operate using the waste from other reactor types. 1271 01:14:47,465 --> 01:14:50,653 We don't extract resources from the earth. 1272 01:14:50,692 --> 01:14:52,342 -And why do you call it a fast breeder? 1273 01:14:52,381 --> 01:14:56,067 -Because we breed, we produce more fuel than we burn. 1274 01:14:56,105 --> 01:14:59,561 This is the most advanced nuclear reactor in the world. 1275 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,019 With breeder reactors, no one yet knows 1276 01:15:02,057 --> 01:15:05,359 if this technology will be cheap enough to standardize 1277 01:15:05,397 --> 01:15:09,506 and be the complete breakthrough technology. 1278 01:15:09,583 --> 01:15:14,036 Or perhaps it'll be the model for the next stage and so on. 1279 01:15:14,075 --> 01:15:19,451 Like any science, nuclear keeps adapting and renewing itself. 1280 01:15:20,603 --> 01:15:26,478 In 2021, Europe split into pro- and anti-nuclear camps. 1281 01:15:26,516 --> 01:15:29,395 The United Kingdom has begun to build again, 1282 01:15:29,434 --> 01:15:32,083 with multiple reactors planned. 1283 01:15:32,891 --> 01:15:35,462 The Netherlands, Poland, and much of Eastern Europe 1284 01:15:35,501 --> 01:15:40,109 all intend to build new plants in the coming decades. 1285 01:15:41,644 --> 01:15:46,175 But, with its 56 nuclear reactors, and more promised, 1286 01:15:46,214 --> 01:15:52,204 France continues to be the true world leader in clean energy. 1287 01:16:21,615 --> 01:16:22,384 And when they look at it, 1288 01:16:22,423 --> 01:16:24,727 they see that the end price for corporations 1289 01:16:24,765 --> 01:16:29,026 and for households is significantly less in France 1290 01:16:29,065 --> 01:16:31,599 than it is in all the neighboring countries. 1291 01:16:31,638 --> 01:16:33,366 We believe that in 2050, 1292 01:16:33,404 --> 01:16:38,702 mankind has the ability to be a net zero planet, 1293 01:16:38,741 --> 01:16:40,124 or very close to net zero, 1294 01:16:40,162 --> 01:16:43,464 in order for global warming to stop. 1295 01:16:43,502 --> 01:16:44,808 We need global warming to stop, 1296 01:16:44,846 --> 01:16:48,494 we believe electricity is the key success factor 1297 01:16:48,533 --> 01:16:50,798 in managing global warming issues 1298 01:16:50,837 --> 01:16:53,640 and we believe there are a lot of solutions 1299 01:16:53,678 --> 01:16:57,056 and nuclear is a key part of these solutions. 1300 01:17:27,352 --> 01:17:31,000 Voila, welcome to the swimming pool. 1301 01:17:32,535 --> 01:17:36,721 The water is hot, clear. 1302 01:18:46,835 --> 01:18:49,829 France still to this day runs a clean grid, 1303 01:18:49,868 --> 01:18:51,788 with one-third of the carbon emissions 1304 01:18:51,826 --> 01:18:54,936 per person of the United States. 1305 01:18:54,975 --> 01:18:57,201 Truly a major accomplishment. 1306 01:19:00,236 --> 01:19:02,693 This brings us around to the United States, 1307 01:19:02,731 --> 01:19:04,727 still dependent on fossil fuels: 1308 01:19:04,766 --> 01:19:08,183 40 percent gas, 20 percent coal. 1309 01:19:08,414 --> 01:19:11,102 Despite tripling output in the last decade, 1310 01:19:11,140 --> 01:19:13,329 wind power only supplies eight percent 1311 01:19:13,367 --> 01:19:14,749 of the nation's electricity. 1312 01:19:14,787 --> 01:19:18,627 And solar power, despite its highly-publicized fast growth, 1313 01:19:18,666 --> 01:19:21,892 generates only two to three percent. 1314 01:19:22,083 --> 01:19:25,194 But, public support for nuclear energy has grown, 1315 01:19:25,232 --> 01:19:28,573 in fact, to 60 percent in 2021. 1316 01:19:28,611 --> 01:19:31,376 -I was reading a book about the Wright Brothers. 1317 01:19:31,414 --> 01:19:34,447 You know, they started as bicycle mechanics, 1318 01:19:34,485 --> 01:19:35,676 but they wanted to fly. 1319 01:19:35,714 --> 01:19:39,284 And they kept doing it and doing it and doing it; 1320 01:19:39,323 --> 01:19:39,823 it took forever. 1321 01:19:39,861 --> 01:19:43,432 They flew 20 feet, 30 feet, a minute. 1322 01:19:43,470 --> 01:19:46,158 It was a long haul, eight, nine years, 1323 01:19:46,197 --> 01:19:49,652 but they did it and they were the best fliers. 1324 01:19:49,691 --> 01:19:51,956 Well, it just shows you that tenacity 1325 01:19:51,995 --> 01:19:54,145 in scientific matters is crucial. 1326 01:19:54,184 --> 01:19:56,602 -And certainly, the nuclear industry in the United States 1327 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,713 has done that as it keeps being counted out... 1328 01:19:59,752 --> 01:20:02,209 -Counted out for dead in the United States, 1329 01:20:02,248 --> 01:20:02,861 never in the world. 1330 01:20:02,899 --> 01:20:05,280 - That's right. - Too good to let it die off. 1331 01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:07,469 -Yeah, it's too good to let it die off. 1332 01:20:07,507 --> 01:20:08,121 -Yeah. 1333 01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:09,082 The spirit of innovation 1334 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,117 has always defined America's character. 1335 01:20:11,155 --> 01:20:14,534 And now 50 or more new companies have entered the energy field 1336 01:20:14,572 --> 01:20:17,913 with creative new designs for nuclear reactors, 1337 01:20:17,951 --> 01:20:20,908 with a focus on SMRs. 1338 01:20:20,946 --> 01:20:23,058 These new reactors are small, 1339 01:20:23,097 --> 01:20:24,671 taking up a fraction of the footprint 1340 01:20:24,710 --> 01:20:28,049 needed for traditional nuclear power reactors. 1341 01:20:28,088 --> 01:20:30,892 They're modular, making it possible for these designs 1342 01:20:30,930 --> 01:20:34,270 to be scaled up and factory assembled. 1343 01:20:34,309 --> 01:20:35,384 And they're reactors, 1344 01:20:35,422 --> 01:20:39,108 utilizing the same reliable nuclear fission technology 1345 01:20:39,146 --> 01:20:42,948 to generate heat to produce electricity. 1346 01:20:42,986 --> 01:20:47,018 -There's two fairly significant projects 1347 01:20:47,056 --> 01:20:51,664 that are going to be built by the end of 2028. 1348 01:20:51,703 --> 01:20:55,504 First of all, the partnership between Bill Gates' TerraPower 1349 01:20:55,543 --> 01:20:58,153 and General Electric/Hitachi is called 1350 01:20:58,191 --> 01:20:59,652 the Natrium facility. 1351 01:20:59,690 --> 01:21:04,220 And it's going to heat a set of molten salt tanks. 1352 01:21:04,259 --> 01:21:08,174 The other one of these advanced reactor demonstration projects, 1353 01:21:08,213 --> 01:21:10,440 by a company called X Energy, 1354 01:21:10,478 --> 01:21:14,587 initially funded by an entrepreneur from the space program. 1355 01:21:14,626 --> 01:21:16,507 So we're actually building stuff. 1356 01:21:16,546 --> 01:21:18,312 And bigger American companies, 1357 01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:21,114 like General Electric, are also building new reactors, 1358 01:21:21,153 --> 01:21:24,571 in partnership with Hitachi of Japan. 1359 01:21:25,146 --> 01:21:26,798 They've designed a most promising, 1360 01:21:26,837 --> 01:21:30,061 low-cost workhorse boiling water reactor. 1361 01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:33,095 Built in a factorynand dropped into a hole on site, 1362 01:21:33,133 --> 01:21:37,511 the SMR is scheduled for completion by 2028. 1363 01:21:37,549 --> 01:21:39,700 And then it can be built as a fleet. 1364 01:21:39,738 --> 01:21:43,577 There are high hopes and demand from the utilities 1365 01:21:43,616 --> 01:21:46,995 for this potentially breakthrough reactor. 1366 01:21:47,417 --> 01:21:48,723 -China and Russia seem to be 1367 01:21:48,761 --> 01:21:51,526 the leading explorers in this field. 1368 01:21:51,564 --> 01:21:51,986 -Absolutely. 1369 01:21:52,024 --> 01:21:53,652 -If General Electric's got this kind of thing 1370 01:21:53,676 --> 01:21:55,749 with the Japanese company called Hitachi, 1371 01:21:55,787 --> 01:21:58,053 why are we not going all out on this? 1372 01:21:58,091 --> 01:22:01,778 -Part of the problem is that General Electric 1373 01:22:01,816 --> 01:22:08,575 is a very large company with a very small nuclear division. 1374 01:22:08,613 --> 01:22:12,567 General Electric has a huge business in wind turbines, 1375 01:22:12,606 --> 01:22:16,905 gas turbines and natural gas drilling equipment. 1376 01:22:16,944 --> 01:22:20,707 Their priority is a little low in the nuclear range. 1377 01:22:20,745 --> 01:22:23,664 So perhaps there's an advantage to these new, 1378 01:22:23,702 --> 01:22:25,085 smaller energy companies. 1379 01:22:25,123 --> 01:22:28,310 They comprise a whole new generation of young people 1380 01:22:28,349 --> 01:22:31,459 who are focused primarily on nuclear. 1381 01:22:31,497 --> 01:22:32,380 And the Department of Energy 1382 01:22:32,418 --> 01:22:33,854 is working with several of these startups 1383 01:22:33,878 --> 01:22:37,757 to build prototypes at America's first nuclear test lab: 1384 01:22:37,795 --> 01:22:40,789 the Idaho National Laboratory. 1385 01:22:41,365 --> 01:22:44,975 Located on the outskirts of Atomic City, Idaho, 1386 01:22:45,013 --> 01:22:49,352 and established in 1949, this facility, known as "the Site" 1387 01:22:49,391 --> 01:22:52,231 has provided the space for several organizations 1388 01:22:52,270 --> 01:22:54,535 to build over 50 reactors to date, 1389 01:22:54,574 --> 01:22:58,414 including Admiral Rickover's groundbreaking engine 1390 01:22:58,452 --> 01:23:00,372 for the USS Nautilus. 1391 01:23:05,094 --> 01:23:06,593 Today, the lab is the epicenter 1392 01:23:06,631 --> 01:23:10,893 for the next generation of reactors. 1393 01:23:10,931 --> 01:23:12,966 And you work for the government, right? 1394 01:23:13,005 --> 01:23:13,658 -So I'm the Director of 1395 01:23:13,696 --> 01:23:15,578 the National Reactor Innovation Center, 1396 01:23:15,616 --> 01:23:18,112 and, it's also called NRIC for short. 1397 01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:21,183 NRIC is charged with accelerating the demonstration 1398 01:23:21,221 --> 01:23:22,501 of advanced reactor technologies 1399 01:23:22,527 --> 01:23:24,140 in partnership with private industry. 1400 01:23:24,178 --> 01:23:26,521 -So what are we going to do about the climate? 1401 01:23:26,559 --> 01:23:28,671 What's the best solution in your mind? 1402 01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:30,475 -I think that it's straightforward 1403 01:23:30,513 --> 01:23:33,164 to get to the first 30 percent renewables 1404 01:23:33,202 --> 01:23:35,583 and then probably 50 and even greater. 1405 01:23:35,621 --> 01:23:36,849 - Right. - But when we get to 1406 01:23:36,888 --> 01:23:39,806 higher levels of deep decarbonization, 1407 01:23:39,844 --> 01:23:43,032 we really find that we need firm low carbon resources 1408 01:23:43,070 --> 01:23:45,949 to have the most affordable decarbonization. 1409 01:23:45,987 --> 01:23:47,408 -And that would be? 1410 01:23:47,447 --> 01:23:49,674 - Largely nuclear. - All right. 1411 01:23:49,712 --> 01:23:52,746 -Where the United States excels most is in innovation. 1412 01:23:52,784 --> 01:23:56,701 And the Department of Energy has made an enormous investment 1413 01:23:56,739 --> 01:23:59,311 in advanced reactor demonstration projects, 1414 01:23:59,350 --> 01:24:03,343 and my organization is working closely with the companies 1415 01:24:03,382 --> 01:24:05,071 who are pursuing those designs. 1416 01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:07,682 Our vision is that we help demonstrate 1417 01:24:07,721 --> 01:24:11,407 at least two advanced reactors by the end of 2025. 1418 01:24:11,446 --> 01:24:14,862 We need nuclear energy to address climate change. 1419 01:24:14,901 --> 01:24:17,474 And nuclear energy is one of 1420 01:24:17,513 --> 01:24:20,008 the safest forms of energy that we have. 1421 01:24:20,046 --> 01:24:21,966 -On Capitol Hill, do they care about that? 1422 01:24:22,005 --> 01:24:24,193 -There is growing bipartisan support 1423 01:24:24,232 --> 01:24:26,805 for advanced nuclear, more so than there has been 1424 01:24:26,843 --> 01:24:28,047 for the traditional technologies. 1425 01:24:28,071 --> 01:24:31,796 But there's a large audience that we haven't reached yet. 1426 01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:35,290 And my view is that we need advanced technologies 1427 01:24:35,328 --> 01:24:36,672 because if we're going to have 1428 01:24:36,711 --> 01:24:39,552 nuclear meaningfully addressing climate change, 1429 01:24:39,591 --> 01:24:42,969 it needs to scale globally in a really big way. 1430 01:24:43,007 --> 01:24:45,465 I mean, in the United States, our electricity demand 1431 01:24:45,503 --> 01:24:48,959 is fairly stagnant, but that is not true globally. 1432 01:24:48,998 --> 01:24:50,611 Globally, it's skyrocketing, 1433 01:24:50,649 --> 01:24:55,910 and we have to provide clean, affordable energy to the world. 1434 01:24:55,948 --> 01:24:58,827 - That's a good point... - India, China, Indonesia. 1435 01:24:58,866 --> 01:25:01,785 -Africa and the Middle East, yeah. 1436 01:25:01,823 --> 01:25:03,550 All growing very rapidly. 1437 01:25:03,589 --> 01:25:05,470 The other thing that we can look at is, 1438 01:25:05,509 --> 01:25:06,354 what is the alternative? 1439 01:25:06,392 --> 01:25:08,811 And if the alternative is climate change, 1440 01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:13,342 that is a much more serious risk. 1441 01:25:15,147 --> 01:25:17,028 We need to do nuclear differently. 1442 01:25:17,066 --> 01:25:21,635 And this is where we're going to build our first reactor. 1443 01:25:21,673 --> 01:25:22,764 -You're going to build a reactor here? 1444 01:25:22,788 --> 01:25:24,146 -We're going to build a reactor here. 1445 01:25:24,170 --> 01:25:24,900 -Do you know where? 1446 01:25:24,938 --> 01:25:27,050 -Yeah, basically out in there. 1447 01:25:28,086 --> 01:25:28,625 Pretty neat, right? 1448 01:25:28,663 --> 01:25:30,467 Because this is the first advanced reactor 1449 01:25:30,505 --> 01:25:32,464 that's going to be a commercial plant 1450 01:25:32,502 --> 01:25:34,192 that gets built in the United States. 1451 01:25:34,230 --> 01:25:36,112 And it's a micro reactor, which is different. 1452 01:25:36,150 --> 01:25:38,123 You know, it's a lot smaller than what we have today. 1453 01:25:38,147 --> 01:25:40,603 It starts, at one and a half megawatts electric. 1454 01:25:40,642 --> 01:25:42,754 -So that's going to light up how many homes? 1455 01:25:42,792 --> 01:25:44,252 -Like a thousand homes. 1456 01:25:44,291 --> 01:25:44,981 -A thousand homes. 1457 01:25:45,019 --> 01:25:46,594 -Yeah, really well suited for, 1458 01:25:46,632 --> 01:25:49,205 you know, small towns, small communities. 1459 01:25:49,243 --> 01:25:50,856 -You're going to build a micro reactor 1460 01:25:50,895 --> 01:25:53,237 and it's going to give you 1.5 megawatts? 1461 01:25:53,275 --> 01:25:55,963 That's nothing compared to some of the SMRs. 1462 01:25:56,001 --> 01:25:56,922 -Exactly. 1463 01:25:56,961 --> 01:25:59,073 -You know, if we start with something so small, 1464 01:25:59,111 --> 01:26:00,839 then we can really meet the regulations 1465 01:26:00,878 --> 01:26:03,105 but do it efficiently and quickly. 1466 01:26:03,143 --> 01:26:04,410 A big problem with nuclear is, 1467 01:26:04,449 --> 01:26:06,599 maybe it takes a decade, and billions of dollars. 1468 01:26:06,638 --> 01:26:09,670 We want to show that it can take a couple of years and less money 1469 01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:11,705 while still meeting the same regulations. 1470 01:26:11,744 --> 01:26:13,971 -Is it your money, or how does that work? 1471 01:26:14,009 --> 01:26:16,736 - We're a private funded company. - It is our money. 1472 01:26:16,774 --> 01:26:18,848 -Can I ask you roughly how much you've spent? 1473 01:26:18,886 --> 01:26:20,552 -Yeah, less than 10 million dollars to date. 1474 01:26:20,576 --> 01:26:22,880 -So you raised $10 million, less than ten. 1475 01:26:22,917 --> 01:26:23,993 It's likeShark Tank. 1476 01:26:24,032 --> 01:26:24,685 -Yeah, kind of. 1477 01:26:24,723 --> 01:26:27,717 We've talked a lot about how we're starting small. 1478 01:26:27,756 --> 01:26:29,037 So that's where the Aurora comes in 1479 01:26:29,061 --> 01:26:29,791 at one and a half megawatts. 1480 01:26:29,829 --> 01:26:32,670 And that provides a platform on which we can scale. 1481 01:26:32,708 --> 01:26:33,362 'Cause what's next for us 1482 01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,335 is something that's on the order of about 15 megawatts. 1483 01:26:35,359 --> 01:26:38,200 And from that we can go all the way up to 100 or more. 1484 01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:40,120 -And you would run the plant. 1485 01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:40,887 -We'll run it. 1486 01:26:40,926 --> 01:26:43,460 By making it sort of a simpler process 1487 01:26:43,499 --> 01:26:45,150 where we're selling the power and the heat 1488 01:26:45,188 --> 01:26:48,414 and not the reactors, that makes it easier to buy. 1489 01:26:48,452 --> 01:26:51,255 -And so the utility company, you cut out of it. 1490 01:26:51,294 --> 01:26:51,984 How does that work? 1491 01:26:52,022 --> 01:26:53,827 -We see the utilities mostly evolving 1492 01:26:53,866 --> 01:26:56,554 to wanting to run distribution and transmission. 1493 01:26:56,592 --> 01:26:58,704 We act as an independent power producer 1494 01:26:58,742 --> 01:26:59,471 and we just sell the power 1495 01:26:59,510 --> 01:27:01,200 to the local utilities or into the market. 1496 01:27:01,238 --> 01:27:03,311 And then they can distribute it to the customers. 1497 01:27:03,349 --> 01:27:05,692 -We're excited about how that could allow communities 1498 01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:07,727 to basically opt in instead of feeling like 1499 01:27:07,765 --> 01:27:10,877 a huge plant is being stuck in their backyard. 1500 01:27:10,915 --> 01:27:13,948 -Do you sometimes feel frustrated that you know all this, 1501 01:27:13,986 --> 01:27:16,827 and it just goes so slowly and you're getting older? 1502 01:27:16,865 --> 01:27:17,826 - Yeah. - Absolutely. 1503 01:27:17,865 --> 01:27:20,974 -Timescales are just so long in nuclear, and too slow. 1504 01:27:21,012 --> 01:27:23,124 We're doing everything we can to change that. 1505 01:27:23,163 --> 01:27:24,047 I think another way of looking at it, 1506 01:27:24,085 --> 01:27:26,696 if nuclear was just discovered like in the last 15 years, 1507 01:27:26,734 --> 01:27:28,592 people would have become a lot more familiar with it 1508 01:27:28,616 --> 01:27:29,499 and comfortable with the technology 1509 01:27:29,537 --> 01:27:31,894 because once you understand it, people have a better sense of 1510 01:27:31,918 --> 01:27:33,953 not being afraid and they'd see the benefits. 1511 01:27:33,992 --> 01:27:36,179 We would probably have a thousand nuclear power plants 1512 01:27:36,218 --> 01:27:37,178 built around the world. 1513 01:27:37,216 --> 01:27:37,832 -That's a good point. 1514 01:27:37,869 --> 01:27:40,903 -One of the last public speeches JFK even gave was saying, 1515 01:27:40,941 --> 01:27:43,705 We need to use fission to help with conservation 1516 01:27:43,743 --> 01:27:44,359 and for clean power. 1517 01:27:44,397 --> 01:27:47,277 For various reasons, it was overshadowed by the weapons. 1518 01:27:47,315 --> 01:27:48,775 And I think we're looking at it anew 1519 01:27:48,813 --> 01:27:50,695 because of the imperative of climate change. 1520 01:27:50,733 --> 01:27:53,152 -Younger people seem more open to it. 1521 01:27:53,191 --> 01:27:54,802 -I think so. 1522 01:27:54,841 --> 01:27:55,494 -They're smarter. 1523 01:27:55,532 --> 01:27:57,182 -I think for the younger generations, 1524 01:27:57,221 --> 01:27:58,734 climate change is more of an imperative 1525 01:27:58,758 --> 01:28:01,099 than worrying about nuclear war. 1526 01:28:01,137 --> 01:28:01,791 -Well, Jake and Caroline, 1527 01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:04,862 I wish you all the freakin' luck in the world! 1528 01:28:04,901 --> 01:28:07,704 - And the wind at your back! - Thank you so much. 1529 01:28:09,393 --> 01:28:12,810 If micro reactors work the way Jake and Caroline say, 1530 01:28:12,849 --> 01:28:17,381 the industry would gather momentum quickly in the 2030s. 1531 01:28:17,419 --> 01:28:20,836 And it's not hard to imagine micro reactors in the future 1532 01:28:20,874 --> 01:28:24,176 having the high-end cachet of a nuclear battery 1533 01:28:24,215 --> 01:28:26,480 buried away in the basement of a smart home, 1534 01:28:26,519 --> 01:28:29,245 putting out the power to run lights, heat, 1535 01:28:29,284 --> 01:28:31,663 water purification, as well as perhaps a small 1536 01:28:31,702 --> 01:28:35,657 hydroponic indoor farm, all with zero emission. 1537 01:28:35,695 --> 01:28:38,422 And not much maintenance required for 20 years, 1538 01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:43,183 after which the reactor is replaced with a fresh battery. 1539 01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:49,403 -When you have nuclear fission, the primary output 1540 01:28:49,442 --> 01:28:51,938 - is heat, thermal energy. - Right. 1541 01:28:51,976 --> 01:28:55,547 -We typically convert that to electricity. 1542 01:28:55,586 --> 01:28:58,504 We could use that heat for water purification. 1543 01:28:58,542 --> 01:29:03,303 We might look at desalination, producing clean, potable water 1544 01:29:03,341 --> 01:29:05,607 from sea water or brackish ground water, 1545 01:29:05,645 --> 01:29:08,217 metals refining, fertilizer production, 1546 01:29:08,256 --> 01:29:11,674 cement production... those require a lot of heat. 1547 01:29:11,713 --> 01:29:13,287 -And that heat comes off our reactors, 1548 01:29:13,325 --> 01:29:15,553 for example, almost for free because it's heat 1549 01:29:15,591 --> 01:29:17,473 that we can't convert into electricity. 1550 01:29:17,511 --> 01:29:19,468 So instead of just dumping it into the air, 1551 01:29:19,508 --> 01:29:21,388 we could use that in district heating 1552 01:29:21,427 --> 01:29:22,977 or industrial heating or different things. 1553 01:29:23,001 --> 01:29:25,611 Like, for example, heating a campus or heating a hospital, 1554 01:29:25,650 --> 01:29:26,572 or heating a big commercial district. 1555 01:29:26,611 --> 01:29:28,684 You could have reactors heating the district, 1556 01:29:28,723 --> 01:29:30,157 heating that we have in New York City, 1557 01:29:30,181 --> 01:29:31,271 and it would be completely clean. 1558 01:29:31,295 --> 01:29:32,139 -This is where we're using 1559 01:29:32,178 --> 01:29:34,482 high temperature steam electrolysis. 1560 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:38,859 That means simply breaking down water molecules. 1561 01:29:38,898 --> 01:29:41,508 Hydrogen is a highly versatile energy carrier 1562 01:29:41,546 --> 01:29:45,310 that can also be used to produce synthetic fuels. 1563 01:29:45,348 --> 01:29:48,459 We take that hydrogen, from a clean process, 1564 01:29:48,498 --> 01:29:50,839 and we combine that with carbon dioxide 1565 01:29:50,878 --> 01:29:54,142 that maybe has been captured from a fossil plant, 1566 01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:57,367 an ethanol plant, or even directly from the air, 1567 01:29:57,406 --> 01:29:59,363 and we can combine that carbon dioxide 1568 01:29:59,401 --> 01:30:01,168 with the hydrogen to produce 1569 01:30:01,206 --> 01:30:05,584 liquid transportation fuels that are clean burning. 1570 01:30:05,622 --> 01:30:07,120 -To fly a plane? 1571 01:30:07,158 --> 01:30:08,541 -Yes. 1572 01:30:09,309 --> 01:30:13,187 -So now we have a pathway of using clean, non-emitting 1573 01:30:13,225 --> 01:30:17,334 nuclear energy to produce hydrogen, 1574 01:30:17,373 --> 01:30:20,712 that goes all the way to liquid fuels for your car, 1575 01:30:20,751 --> 01:30:25,166 for heavy transport vehicles, for even aviation. 1576 01:30:27,623 --> 01:30:30,196 Shannon went on to explain how hydrogen 1577 01:30:30,235 --> 01:30:34,497 is the beginning pathway to many other solutions. 1578 01:30:37,377 --> 01:30:40,986 Scientists at the Idaho Lab a real so working on fusion energy, 1579 01:30:41,024 --> 01:30:45,978 an even more powerful way of harnessing energy from matter. 1580 01:30:48,435 --> 01:30:49,549 Fusion, which is created 1581 01:30:49,587 --> 01:30:52,543 when two lightweight atoms are forced together, 1582 01:30:52,581 --> 01:30:55,616 can produce immense amounts of energy. 1583 01:30:55,654 --> 01:30:58,725 It's the same process that powers our sun. 1584 01:30:58,764 --> 01:31:03,333 Its fuel source, hydrogen and lithium, are plentiful. 1585 01:31:03,372 --> 01:31:06,751 And after decades of research, the goal is closer 1586 01:31:06,789 --> 01:31:08,825 but still elusive. 1587 01:31:08,863 --> 01:31:12,203 Several startups think they can reach commercial-scale fusion 1588 01:31:12,241 --> 01:31:14,852 faster and smaller, within a decade, 1589 01:31:14,891 --> 01:31:16,772 and they've raised billions of dollars 1590 01:31:16,811 --> 01:31:18,654 in investment in 2021. 1591 01:31:18,692 --> 01:31:23,146 If humanity ever makes fusion practical and economical, 1592 01:31:23,184 --> 01:31:25,450 it could power the world of the future, 1593 01:31:25,488 --> 01:31:28,675 maybe even in the second half of this century. 1594 01:31:30,979 --> 01:31:33,859 -We've done some really fantastic development 1595 01:31:33,898 --> 01:31:34,898 here at the site. 1596 01:31:34,934 --> 01:31:36,546 -Are you moving fast enough? 1597 01:31:36,585 --> 01:31:39,965 -Oh, I think that energy in general, 1598 01:31:40,003 --> 01:31:41,346 we need to move faster. 1599 01:31:41,385 --> 01:31:43,382 Why do we do this? We do this for our families, 1600 01:31:43,420 --> 01:31:45,340 we do this for our kids and those generations. 1601 01:31:45,378 --> 01:31:48,566 It's so important that we look to our energy resources 1602 01:31:48,604 --> 01:31:50,716 and use them wisely. 1603 01:31:50,754 --> 01:31:54,632 We're leaving a legacy and I hope it's a positive one. 1604 01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:57,627 As I left the lab, it became clearer than ever to me 1605 01:31:57,665 --> 01:32:01,466 that to hit the needed levels of clean energy, 1606 01:32:01,504 --> 01:32:03,808 we need to think big. 1607 01:32:05,344 --> 01:32:07,226 Among other things, we will shortly need to 1608 01:32:07,264 --> 01:32:10,183 stamp nuclear reactors off assembly lines 1609 01:32:10,221 --> 01:32:13,562 on the scale of world jetliner production. 1610 01:32:14,522 --> 01:32:17,017 This would mean creating a significant new 1611 01:32:17,055 --> 01:32:21,087 worldwide industry, redeploying hundreds of thousands of people 1612 01:32:21,126 --> 01:32:22,777 of all skills. 1613 01:32:22,815 --> 01:32:26,079 It would mean in the first years, 2020 to 2030, 1614 01:32:26,118 --> 01:32:28,152 building factories around the world, 1615 01:32:28,190 --> 01:32:31,494 then scaling up in the middle years, 2030 to 2040, 1616 01:32:31,532 --> 01:32:34,411 as electrification takes over across the world 1617 01:32:34,450 --> 01:32:37,599 and multiplies the demand for electricity. 1618 01:32:37,638 --> 01:32:40,402 And then going all out with everything we have 1619 01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:45,086 in the remaining years of 2040 to 2050. 1620 01:32:46,007 --> 01:32:49,809 To do that, we need to rekindlethe spirit of Hyman Rickover, 1621 01:32:49,847 --> 01:32:53,917 with the urgency he had to quickly build new things. 1622 01:32:59,254 --> 01:33:02,250 And how much faster could it go if we also imagine a world 1623 01:33:02,289 --> 01:33:05,590 where countries cooperate to do this. 1624 01:33:05,628 --> 01:33:07,472 One partnership here on Earth, 1625 01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:10,083 a United Nations of clean energy. 1626 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,226 No question the world is changing, 1627 01:33:16,264 --> 01:33:19,606 and far faster than I ever imagined. 1628 01:33:20,027 --> 01:33:23,253 The future is coming. And I thought, 1629 01:33:23,291 --> 01:33:26,440 as little as I know, I know there's no real limit 1630 01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,397 to where clean energy can take us. 1631 01:33:29,435 --> 01:33:32,468 -But the other part of conservation is the newer part. 1632 01:33:32,506 --> 01:33:35,234 And that is to use science and technology 1633 01:33:35,272 --> 01:33:37,767 to achieve significant breakthroughs 1634 01:33:37,806 --> 01:33:39,687 that we are doing today, and in that way, 1635 01:33:39,726 --> 01:33:43,373 to conserve the resources which, 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, 1636 01:33:43,411 --> 01:33:45,062 may have been wholly unknown. 1637 01:33:45,101 --> 01:33:49,824 So we use nuclear power for peaceful purposes and power. 1638 01:33:53,318 --> 01:33:55,891 A formidable energy gave birth to our planet, 1639 01:33:55,929 --> 01:33:58,732 and that energy... through centuries of war, peace, 1640 01:33:58,770 --> 01:34:02,610 cataclysms, the price of potatoes and stocks, 1641 01:34:02,648 --> 01:34:05,068 all the history, blunders, tragi-comedies, 1642 01:34:05,106 --> 01:34:07,256 and the occasional triumphs... 1643 01:34:08,139 --> 01:34:11,135 that energy, E equals M-C-squared, 1644 01:34:11,173 --> 01:34:14,705 was always there for us, all along. 1645 01:34:14,743 --> 01:34:17,815 And it's still there, like an inner voice, 1646 01:34:17,854 --> 01:34:20,465 our most faithful companion. 1647 01:34:21,463 --> 01:34:24,151 Why are we not using that power? 1648 01:34:24,190 --> 01:34:25,494 If this build out were to occur, 1649 01:34:25,533 --> 01:34:27,376 can we imagine a world in which human beings 1650 01:34:27,414 --> 01:34:29,565 are not terrified by climate change, 1651 01:34:29,603 --> 01:34:34,134 but are smart and confident enough to solve it? 1652 01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,437 Together, collectively, we're combating viruses, 1653 01:34:37,475 --> 01:34:43,388 exploring inner worlds, oceans, and fellow travelers. 1654 01:34:43,657 --> 01:34:45,807 We're traveling through space. 1655 01:34:45,845 --> 01:34:48,649 And for that matter, just building bullet trains, 1656 01:34:48,687 --> 01:34:54,984 housing, deep underground tunnels, and giant aeropolises. 1657 01:34:55,023 --> 01:34:57,865 We can do most anything with our mind. 1658 01:34:57,903 --> 01:35:00,859 Human ingenuity, the workings of the mind, 1659 01:35:00,897 --> 01:35:04,008 can get us out of our climate predicament. 1660 01:35:04,046 --> 01:35:05,582 Unless we dull it with fear, 1661 01:35:05,620 --> 01:35:09,422 the mind is the most powerful tool we know. 1662 01:35:09,460 --> 01:35:13,952 It is more imaginative than any computer will ever be. 1663 01:35:15,411 --> 01:35:16,794 There is no force, no energy, 1664 01:35:16,832 --> 01:35:20,480 that can contain or stop human consciousness. 1665 01:35:25,855 --> 01:35:27,852 We may have come to a point in time 1666 01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:32,038 when Earth is asking us, "Do you know what you're doing?" 1667 01:35:32,345 --> 01:35:35,993 And there's no going back or forward from this moment. 1668 01:35:36,031 --> 01:35:37,836 Time stops now. 1669 01:35:38,258 --> 01:35:40,869 Or, maybe I'm being melodramatic. 1670 01:35:41,137 --> 01:35:44,171 But I think as a race, we're more informed 1671 01:35:44,209 --> 01:35:46,552 and conscious than we've ever been, 1672 01:35:46,590 --> 01:35:49,125 and many of us are thinking the same thing. 1673 01:35:49,163 --> 01:35:52,080 We're thinking not just about ourselves, 1674 01:35:52,119 --> 01:35:54,730 but of the entire world as we know it, 1675 01:35:54,768 --> 01:35:56,151 and how we can fix it. 1676 01:35:56,189 --> 01:35:58,071 And that's a hell of a lot of consciousness 1677 01:35:58,109 --> 01:36:00,144 from many, many people. 1678 01:36:00,375 --> 01:36:03,523 And for that reason, let's make something of it. 1679 01:36:04,023 --> 01:36:06,557 If we human beings can get this right, 1680 01:36:06,596 --> 01:36:09,015 if we can create clean electricity 1681 01:36:09,053 --> 01:36:13,929 fast enough to decarbonize the world... and we can... 1682 01:36:13,967 --> 01:36:15,926 the effects would be incredible. 1683 01:36:15,964 --> 01:36:20,073 People would know, they would sense the changes right away. 1684 01:36:20,111 --> 01:36:22,990 And it would energize the world anew. 1685 01:36:24,067 --> 01:36:25,947 Imagine that. 1686 01:36:25,986 --> 01:36:29,979 Imagine that there is a tomorrow, and it can be better. 1687 01:36:30,018 --> 01:36:33,435 If we overcome our fears and embrace the primordial 1688 01:36:33,474 --> 01:36:36,890 star power in the nucleus of the atom. 1689 01:36:36,929 --> 01:36:42,381 And in doing so, give us all, all living beings, 1690 01:36:42,420 --> 01:36:44,109 what is our birthright: 1691 01:36:44,148 --> 01:36:47,527 a future that we can look forward to. 1692 01:36:55,053 --> 01:36:56,934 We are all time travelers, 1693 01:36:56,972 --> 01:37:00,352 journeying together into the future. 1694 01:37:01,157 --> 01:37:04,691 But let us work together to make that future 1695 01:37:04,729 --> 01:37:06,496 a place we want to visit. 1696 01:37:06,534 --> 01:37:11,602 Be brave, be determined, overcome the odds. 1697 01:37:12,869 --> 01:37:14,405 It can be done. 139726

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