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We've been trained
from the very beginning
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to fear nuclear power.
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And with it,
our terror of radiation.
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It was in our subconsciousness.
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There was the original sin
of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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It became a collective trauma,
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with schoolchildren responding
to nuclear alerts,
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and the need for
fallout shelters,
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having been told more than once
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that civilization
could be destroyed
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in a few moments
with little, if any, warning.
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There were movies in the 1950s
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already picturing
the doom of man
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from radiated sea monsters...
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and all kinds of
genetically mutated creatures.
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No doubt it was the outcome
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for us who were severing
Mother Nature
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from human nature
with our technology.
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It was a horrible vision,
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bigger than any child's
basic fear of death.
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It was a death of
everyone and everything.
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The end of the world almost
happened in October 1962
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during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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But President Kennedy and
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Premier Nikita Khrushchev
of the Soviet Union
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mercifully backed down.
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Young people began
protesting "The System"
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that produced cruel wars
and nuclear weapons,
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along with various injustices
and the destruction of nature.
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A counterculture emerged,
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offering a broad critique
of American society.
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Industrial capitalism
and corporate America
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were seen as the enemy.
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Earth Day 1970 marked a visible
shift in global consciousness.
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Drawing huge crowds,
it became a key rallying point
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for environmentalism
and the counterculture.
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It created broad public support
for anti-pollution measures.
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And within this atmosphere,
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the government's push
for nuclear energy
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was suddenly suspect.
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Licensing and construction of
nuclear reactors was ramping up.
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And the fear of nuclear energy
plants in your own backyard
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merged into an army of other
pollutions fouling the earth.
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We realize that with these
multi-national corporations,
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we're going to uranium mining
and uranium milling.
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We're going to have possibly
nuclear power plants.
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We're going to possibly have
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high-level
nuclear waste disposal.
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-No one in the world
wants nuclear waste.
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-We have to have either oil
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or coal or whatever,
but certainly not nuclear.
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And, as with
all emerging technologies,
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there were setbacks.
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It was the first step
in a nuclear nightmare.
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As far as we know, at this
hour, no worse than that.
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Three Mile Island wasnthe
only famous nuclear accident
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in the United States ever.
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Thousand gallons
of radioactive water
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escaped into the reactor
building... Yet no one was harmed.
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But the public was shaken.
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Close all windows and doors!
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And the breathless news coverage
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with no acknowledgement
of the lack of casualties...
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Officials of Metropolitan Edison
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conceded some workers
may have been contaminated.
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...stoked their fears
into a sense of urgency
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and even panic.
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But in a twist of history,
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it happened just as a
fictionalnuclear power disaster movie
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was in theaters.
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-No, please,
let me answer the question.
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Misinformation about
nuclear's true potential
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and safety spread rampant.
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-If there's one accident,
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it could just devastate an area
like southern New York State.
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Nuclear power would produce
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over 32,000 cancer deaths
per year in the United States.
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People don't think well when they're scared.
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Fear is a mind-killer,
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and all these fears
traumatized young people.
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And as momentum built
toward anti-nuclear sentiment,
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a second, potentially-avoid able disaster struck.
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We were recently
stricken by a disaster...
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the Chernobyl
nuclear power accident.
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It deeply affected
the Soviet people
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and disturbed world opinion.
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I too once believed the
environmentalists were right
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and that nuclear power
was dangerous.
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We were, in our way,
terribly miseducated,
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subconsciously cross-wiringnnuclear
war with nuclear power.
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And then, as nuclear energy
was being quietly shunted
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to the side as an aberration
in our scientific development,
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another physical revolution
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snowballed into
the public consciousness,
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completely eclipsing
the nuclear controversy:
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Climate Change.
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It was as bad or even worse
to the imagination
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as nuclear extinction had been,
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which in a way we had accustomed ourselves to.
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But here now was a monster
that could, in fact,
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deliver the end of the world.
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Climate scientists
were now warning us
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that humans were destabilizingnthe
world's ecological systems.
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In 1988, the congressional
testimony of Dr. James Hansen,
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a leading climate scientist,
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rang the alarm
loudly and clearly.
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-We have already reached
one tipping point.
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And we are going to lose
all of the sea ice
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in the Arctic
in the summer season.
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Among others, he clarified
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that we were burning
more and more fossil fuels
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and dumping too much carbon
into the atmosphere...
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mostly gases like
carbon dioxide and methane.
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These gases were raising
global temperatures
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and beginning to
change the climate.
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An outspoken minority reacted
with sarcasm and anger...
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-Do you know what this is?
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It's a snowball,
from outside here.
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So it's very, very cold out,
very unseasonable.
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So here, Mr. President,
catch this.
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They thought the notion highly
exaggerated and overblown.
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While on the other side,
many others reacted with alarm
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demanding radical change.
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Hope is taking action.
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We can still turn this around.
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It will take drastic
annual emission cuts
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unlike anything
the world has ever seen.
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In 2021, the IPCC stated
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that if we didn't cut
carbon emissions
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by nearly 100 percent
in less than 30 years,
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by 2050, the world
would suffer serious damage
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to ecosystems and economies.
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Because we are still
depending on fossil fuels
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for one of our most basic needs:
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electricity.
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Most of our power still comes
from burning gas and coal,
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and the amount
is going up, not down.
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The resulting volume
of carbon-free electricity
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needed over the next 30 years
is almost unimaginable.
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Realistic estimates range
from two to four times
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the electricity
we currently use.
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This is an even bigger problem
than we thought.
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How can we create
even more electricity
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and still cut down
on carbon dioxide emissions
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to halt the climate crisis?
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We've run out of time
to be afraid.
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It's time to look again
at a proven source of energy.
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It's time to look again
at nuclear.
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Because this incredible power...
the very thing that we fear...
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is what may save us.
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An estimated
five billion years ago,
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our sun and solar system
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were formed in the aftermath
of an exploding star.
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Scientists call this kind of
explosion a supernova.
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Light, X-rays, and radio waves
pour out in every direction,
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and immense shock waves,
with unimaginable energy,
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fling matter
across great distances.
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A bit of that matter collided
and became Earth.
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Hidden below the surface
of this newly-formed planet
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are many elements that were
created in that supernova,
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including those
we extract from the Earth
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like tin, copper,
gold and many others.
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One of these elements
is the element of uranium.
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Packed with energy from
its creation in a supernova,
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it's a natural energy source
that has been there,
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connecting us to our galaxy
for billions of years.
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The presence of this star
power throughout the planet,
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radiating energy,
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has kept the Earth warm
since before life began.
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And still does.
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In 1896, 5,000 years
into our recorded history,
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the Polish-born Marie Curie
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and her French scientist
husband Pierre Curie,
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along with French engineer
Henri Becquerel...
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Pierre... discovered
the energy-releasing property
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of certain elements,
like uranium.
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It's there.
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They knew then that
the whole conception of matter
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would be changed.
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That there indeed existed
a unique form of matter
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that was not inert, that was
alive, with a superpower.
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Marie Curie named it
radioactivity.
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They could only imagine
what this volatile matter
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could become or later achieve.
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For this, one of the greatest
gifts nature has ever given us,
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energy in a new form,
they received the Nobel Prize.
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Then just a few years later,
in 1905,
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independently working
in Zurich, Switzerland,
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the theoretical physicist
Albert Einstein
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discovered the astounding
truth that, in its simplest form,
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matter is energy
waiting to happen.
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And that the Earth
contains more energy
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than we ever imagined.
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Liberating energy from matter
was now the new challenge.
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Scientists then discovered
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that particles colliding
with uranium atoms
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sometimes split the uranium
into smaller fragments
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with a large and rapid
release of energy.
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They named this process
"fission",
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which could access
the stored energy quickly
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instead of in a slow trickle,
as does radioactivity.
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The physics of fission
were first explained
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by the Austrian Lise Meitner
in 1938.
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But unfortunately, that year,
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through a coincidence
of history,
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came on the eve
of the biggest war ever.
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And the first thing people did
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with this scientific
breakthrough, was make a bomb.
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And use it.
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America's Manhattan Project,
born out of World War II,
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created the knowledge and fuel
to build such a bomb.
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By packing uranium together
densely enough,
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scientists learned to create
a chain reaction.
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Enrico Fermi and his team
in 1942
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created the first controlled
nuclear chain reaction
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in a squash court under the
University of Chicago stadium.
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The stadium did not blow up,
nor the university.
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They had built a simple device
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in which a pile
of graphite and uranium
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was filled with cadmium
rodsthat slowed the chain reaction.
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As the rods were removed
one by one,
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the uranium fission
chain reaction began.
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Remove more rods
and the energy increased,
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put some rods back in place
and it decreased.
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Thus, if a chain reaction could
be sustained and accelerated,
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it would result in
a powerful explosion.
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The good news was that
uranium'senergy could be controlled,
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as Fermi had done in Chicago.
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If controlled, the potential
of this new discovery
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for the benefit of society
was beyond measure.
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The first productive use
of that energy
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was to run submarines and ships.
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Admiral Hyman Rickover
was a poor Jewish immigrant
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who, once admitted
to the Naval Academy,
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never left the Navy.
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He had the mind of an engineer
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who, seeing the goal
clearer than anyone,
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cut through time and space
to make it happen.
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The idea of solving a problem,
building something,
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creating something,
drove him all his life.
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-This is the reactor
or the atomic pile.
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There's uranium in here...
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Rickover built
the first nuclear reactor
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that fit into a submarine hull.
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The USS Nautilus was
inspired in part by Jules Verne's
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classic 19th century fable
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea,
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exploring our original home
in the sea.
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Nautilus was, in its own way,
a fantasy underwater vehicle
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designed and built by Rickover
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in just three years
between 1952 and '54.
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It was a magnificent
achievement.
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And over the next three decades,
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Rickover supervised the
building of hundreds of reactors,
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all quickly and successfully.
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The Navy still has
100 of them operating now.
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More than 60 years later,
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the Navy has run this fleet
of small floating reactors
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for a combined
6,000 reactor years
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without a single major
nuclear-related incident.
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An aircraft carrier
is a 100,000-ton, 6,000-person
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city of steel,
moving at 35 miles an hour.
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It's an awesome
piece of technology
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that's being powered
by supernova energy.
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In other words,
a mere two reactors so compact
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that they could fit
into a large living room.
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With just one of these reactors,
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the submarine
can stay submerged for months
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and thousands of miles.
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It doesn't need
refueling for 25 years.
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- A fuel pellet, the size of my...
- the tip of my pinkie
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has as much energy
as a ton of coal.
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The uranium to make that pellet
costs a buck or two.
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A ton of coal costs somewhere
in the neighborhood of $100.
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Huge difference.
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And nuclear operates so cleanly,
you can do it underwater
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with 150 people
sealed up in a ship
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and having their power plant
running.
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Now imagine trying to operate
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even just a small gasoline
engine in a sealed building.
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Wouldn't take very long
before you'd kill everybody.
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After I went on board
submarines,
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I recognized that all the things
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that excited me
were still there.
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And technically it was so easy.
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The secret that nobody
wants to tell you
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who serves in the Navy is...
the easiest job in the Navy
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is being a reactor operator.
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-You don't have to do anything.
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You're sitting there
and everything works,
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and you just sit there.
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In a major address
at the United Nations
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in front of 3,500 delegates
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from most of the countries
of the world,
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President Eisenhower shared
his vision for nuclear technology.
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-This greatest
of destructive forces can be
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developed into a great boon
for the benefit of all mankind.
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Eisenhower proposed
that the only way
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to overcome
international conflict
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was to use nuclear power
to produce cheap
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and massive amounts
of electricity.
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-Experts would be mobilized
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to apply atomic energy
to the needs of agriculture,
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medicine and other peaceful
activities.
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A special purpose
would be to provide
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abundant electrical energy
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in the power-starved areas
of the world.
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Thus the contributing powers
would be dedicating
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some of their strength
to serve the needs,
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rather than the fears,
of mankind.
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He went on to make probably
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the most optimistic statement
of his eight years in office.
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The United States
pledges before you...
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to devote its entire heart
and mind to find the way
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by which the miraculous
inventiveness of man
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shall not be dedicated
to his death,
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but consecrated to his life.
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The entire assembly of delegates
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from around the world,
including the Soviet Union,
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responded with warm
and sustained applause.
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Eisenhower's Atoms for Peace
program was born here.
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This was a most promising
moment for mankind.
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Fulfilling his pledge
to the world
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and turning to his proven team,
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Eisenhower asked
Admiral Rickover and the Navy
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to build a nuclear reactor
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that could generate
civilian electricity.
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Adapting his submarine design,
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Rickover went at it
in his usual way,
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and in Shippingport,
Pennsylvania,
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broke ground in 1954 and began
generating in 1958.
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-But here is truly
the most wonderful
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and exciting thing I've ever had
the chance to talk about...
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it's the Westinghouse
Total Electric Home.
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A home where electricity
does everything.
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It heats, cools,
preserves and prepares food,
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and entertains.
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The Cold War
was a period of prosperity.
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The plan was that by the 21st
century, the American economy
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would be mostly nuclear-powered,
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with little if any
air pollution,
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no climate gasses,
and grids of plentiful
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clean electricity
crisscrossing the country.
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New York City was going to be
powered by nuclear reactors,
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the first of which was being
built upriver at Indian Point.
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Carbon emission
would drop substantially.
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We would be in the process
ofelectrifying our entire country.
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Futurists imagined modern
all-electric cities
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with electric heat,
light and air conditioning
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in our homes and buildings.
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Electric trains
would replace diesel,
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and new transportation systems
would evolve.
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Westinghouse
and General Electric
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followed in Rickover's tracks.
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And from the late 1960s
to the '80s,
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built almost 100 large reactors.
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Other countries followed.
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France, embracing the vision
of its president,
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Charles de Gaulle, opened
its first nuclear power plant
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in 1964 at Chinon.
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And then from 1975 to '90,
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in response to
the escalating price of oil
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in the crisis of 1973, built
56 reactors in 15 years.
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Sweden built a dozen reactors on
four sites in the '70s and '80s.
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Six of those plants
continue to operate today,
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producing 30 percent
of Sweden's electricity
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and most of the rest coming
from hydro, wind and bio fuels.
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Sweden during this time cut its
carbon emissions by 50 percent.
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And contrary to what many
critics claimed would be
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a disaster for its economy,
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electricity generation
more than doubled
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and its economy actually
expanded by 50 percent.
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The same is true for Canada,
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which built 19 reactors
of Canadian design,
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mostly in the industrial
heartland of Ontario province,
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which in those years
switched off coal
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and reduced emissions
by 90 percent.
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West Germany launched its
first commercial reactor in 1969,
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and by 2010,
22 percent of the electricity
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of a reunited Germany
came from nuclear.
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Japan, which imported
its first commercial reactor
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from England in 1966,
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had five operating reactors
going by 1973,
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and was expanding construction
with a major program.
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By the end of the '70s,
Japan had become an expert
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in standardized designs,
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and exporting nuclear
to other countries in Asia.
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But the world's
first nuclear power plant
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to ever produce
clean electricity
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was actually built
back in 1954 by the Soviets.
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The atomic power station
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has become one of the operating industrial plants
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of the U.S.S.R.
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The Obninsk Nuclear Power
Plant today stands as a museum,
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and a monument to clean energy
and the power of the atom.
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The process
of uranium nuclear fission,
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releasing of atomic energy,
takes place in this reactor.
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Many important world figures
visited the plant in operation,
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including three high-level
American delegations
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curious about its usages
for industrial production,
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as well as any signals
for use in war.
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They could find none.
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But it was a signal
from the Soviet Union
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in the middle of the Cold War,
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a demonstration
of their peaceful intentions,
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especially after
Eisenhower's speech
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asking for shared
nuclear know-how
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for the benefit of all mankind.
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Atoms are working for peace.
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This mid-century dream
of a fuel-efficient world,
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run by clean atomic
energy, without fossil fuels...
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it was all within our grasp.
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So, what happened
to this promising moment?
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Eisenhower's 1953 vision
of Atoms for Peace
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was a mortal threat
to the rich and powerful
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coal and oil industries.
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And they were ready to
challenge nuclear energy
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from the beginning.
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The giant oil companies,
nicknamed the Seven Sisters,
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straddling
all the world's markets
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since early in the century,
spent a great deal of money
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to present themselves as
necessary to our prosperity.
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America's iconic oil family,
the Rockefellers,
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through their foundation,
set about promoting the idea
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that low-level radiation
harms human health.
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-And so they set up a committee
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to study the biological effects
of atomic radiation and...
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00:26:52,237 --> 00:26:54,157
kind of put their thumb
on the scale
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for what the committee's
results would be.
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And then they took
one of the directors
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from the Rockefeller Foundation,
a guy named Warren Weaver,
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00:27:03,526 --> 00:27:07,174
was put in charge of
this genetics committee.
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And not surprising to me,
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00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:10,706
the report from
the genetics committee
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came out on June 12th, 1956,
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and said radiation, all the way
down to a single gamma ray
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was hazardous to your health.
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00:27:19,807 --> 00:27:23,569
The Rockefeller Foundation
included the publisher
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00:27:23,608 --> 00:27:26,065
of the New York Times,
Arthur Sulzberger.
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00:27:26,104 --> 00:27:29,176
So if they wanted to help sway
public opinion,
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they didn't need to buy ads,
necessarily.
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00:27:31,825 --> 00:27:35,857
They just helped get a
particular point of view published.
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00:27:35,972 --> 00:27:38,736
The resulting fear
of low-level radiation,
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00:27:38,775 --> 00:27:41,578
which has never garnered
evidence to justify it,
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00:27:41,616 --> 00:27:46,685
began to erode the optimism
around this new industry.
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00:27:49,181 --> 00:27:53,212
The Sierra Club promoted
nuclear power before it opposed it.
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00:27:53,251 --> 00:27:56,668
The club was an old organizationfounded in 1892,
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primarily devoted to hiking,
climbing and exploring nature.
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00:28:02,774 --> 00:28:06,190
Will Siri, a biophysicist
from Berkeley
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00:28:06,229 --> 00:28:08,533
and experienced mountaineer
and a veteran of
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Oppenheimer's Manhattan
Project, had been influential
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00:28:11,682 --> 00:28:16,442
in conserving the California
redwoods and the Grand Canyon.
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00:28:16,481 --> 00:28:18,823
Like many early
conservationists,
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00:28:18,861 --> 00:28:21,242
he strongly favored
nuclear energy
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00:28:21,281 --> 00:28:22,601
and arranged
for the club's blessing
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00:28:22,625 --> 00:28:26,272
to the opening of California's
Diablo Canyon reactor
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in San Luis Obispo in 1966.
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00:28:30,996 --> 00:28:35,257
Twice the club membership
voted to support the action.
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Siri said at the time:
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"Nuclear power
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is one of the chief long-term
hopes for conservation."
461
00:28:44,588 --> 00:28:47,736
Ansel Adams, the
club's legendary photographer
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00:28:47,775 --> 00:28:50,578
and board member,
said nuclear was,
463
00:28:50,616 --> 00:28:52,958
"the only practical alternative that we have
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to destroying the environment
with oil and coal."
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00:28:57,528 --> 00:28:59,255
-They spent a lot of time
in the early years
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fighting against dams
that would fill up valleys
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00:29:02,328 --> 00:29:02,865
full of water.
468
00:29:02,903 --> 00:29:06,281
The Sierra Club used to have
a campaign called
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00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,316
Atoms, Not Dams,
under David Brower.
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And then David Brower
left the Sierra Club in a huff
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00:29:12,963 --> 00:29:15,345
and founded
Friends of the Earth.
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And did you know, I'd known
Friends of the Earth
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was a big anti-nuclear
organization.
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00:29:20,643 --> 00:29:21,296
But then I found out
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00:29:21,334 --> 00:29:23,752
where David Brower
got his first check...
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00:29:23,791 --> 00:29:30,549
$200,000 from Robert Anderson,
who was the CEO of ARCO.
477
00:29:31,049 --> 00:29:32,930
He wrote the first check
to David Brower,
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00:29:32,968 --> 00:29:36,271
who was founding
an environmentalist organization
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specifically to fight
nuclear energy.
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So why would an oil guy fund
Friends of the Earth?
481
00:29:43,028 --> 00:29:47,790
Makes sense to me.
And it's not conspiracy.
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00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:50,401
It's simply business.
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00:29:50,592 --> 00:29:54,509
Soon, Brower's faction
regained power in the Sierra Club
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00:29:54,547 --> 00:29:57,235
and switched its position.
485
00:29:58,310 --> 00:30:00,845
Other groups sprang up as well, notably
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Greenpeace, in 1971
in Vancouver, Canada.
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00:30:09,024 --> 00:30:11,213
Along with issues like
saving the whales,
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00:30:11,251 --> 00:30:14,514
it fused a peace position
on nuclear disarmament
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with an environmental position
on opposing nuclear energy.
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00:30:20,274 --> 00:30:23,921
-We lumped nuclear energy in
with nuclear weapons
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00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,148
as if all things nuclear
were evil.
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00:30:26,187 --> 00:30:30,832
This was a mistake.
We got a lot of things right.
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00:30:30,872 --> 00:30:32,791
Stop the bomb.
Save the whales.
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00:30:32,829 --> 00:30:34,787
Stop toxic waste, et cetera.
495
00:30:34,826 --> 00:30:38,091
But we made that one
serious error.
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The new battleground was Ohio,
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00:30:40,241 --> 00:30:43,965
where new reactors were to
be built instead of coal plants.
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00:30:44,003 --> 00:30:48,265
The environmental groups hired
nlobbyists and filed lawsuits.
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00:30:48,303 --> 00:30:52,681
The young attorney, Ralph Nader,
nwho'd gained the public's trust
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in the mid-'60's
with his criticism
501
00:30:54,562 --> 00:30:57,058
of the safety of American cars, joined the cause
502
00:30:57,097 --> 00:31:01,282
and now helped turn the public
against nuclear power.
503
00:31:01,974 --> 00:31:04,815
-If we stop nuclear power,
or shall we say,
504
00:31:04,854 --> 00:31:08,193
when we stop nuclear power,
we will usher in
505
00:31:08,232 --> 00:31:10,536
throughout the United States
and the world
506
00:31:10,574 --> 00:31:14,760
the sun, the sun...
507
00:31:14,798 --> 00:31:17,870
which Exxon doesn't like
because it's free,
508
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:20,481
it's abundant,
it can bypass Exxon.
509
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,052
Stopping atomic energy
is saving this country.
510
00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:27,431
He wildly exaggerated the
dangers from radioactivity,
511
00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:31,808
saying "A nuclear accident
could wipe out Cleveland
512
00:31:31,847 --> 00:31:34,303
and the survivors
would envy the dead."
513
00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:38,566
Six of the eight Ohio reactors
planned were closed,
514
00:31:38,604 --> 00:31:44,595
including one canceled in 1975,
when it was 97 percent complete.
515
00:31:44,633 --> 00:31:47,781
It was then turned into
a coal plant.
516
00:31:47,819 --> 00:31:50,854
To this day, two-thirds
of Ohio electricity
517
00:31:50,892 --> 00:31:55,461
is powered by dirty coal,
which alone kills
518
00:31:55,499 --> 00:31:58,610
about half a million people
worldwide per year
519
00:31:58,648 --> 00:32:01,335
and sickens millions more
with horrible effects
520
00:32:01,373 --> 00:32:05,559
such as cancer, emphysema,
and heart disease.
521
00:32:05,597 --> 00:32:09,207
-If you want to accuse us
of having raised the costs
522
00:32:09,245 --> 00:32:13,969
of building new nuclear plants
by demanding more regulation,
523
00:32:14,007 --> 00:32:15,543
I plead guilty.
524
00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:23,798
In 1979, there were 72
commercial reactors in the U.S.
525
00:32:23,836 --> 00:32:25,003
...happened early this morning
526
00:32:25,027 --> 00:32:26,678
at a nuclear power plant
in Pennsylvania.
527
00:32:26,716 --> 00:32:29,788
But then came Three Mile Island.
528
00:32:29,827 --> 00:32:33,744
The reactor overheated
and partially melted down,
529
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,237
but the containment structure
prevented radiation
530
00:32:37,275 --> 00:32:39,578
from affecting the surroundings.
531
00:32:39,617 --> 00:32:43,151
-There was no apparent serious
contamination of workers.
532
00:32:43,189 --> 00:32:46,145
But the accident
in 1979 was a gift
533
00:32:46,183 --> 00:32:49,601
to the anti-nuclear movement,
that would lead to a halt
534
00:32:49,639 --> 00:32:52,903
in the building of any more
nuclear reactors.
535
00:32:52,942 --> 00:32:56,167
Later that year, a star-studded cast of musicians
536
00:32:56,206 --> 00:32:58,816
put on five nights
of No Nukes concerts
537
00:32:58,854 --> 00:33:00,391
at Madison Square Garden...
538
00:33:06,073 --> 00:33:06,880
...followed by a rally
539
00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:12,908
on Battery Park landfill
attended by 200,000 people.
540
00:33:24,004 --> 00:33:28,805
Along with Ralph Nader and
other stars, Jane Fonda spoke.
541
00:33:28,844 --> 00:33:30,724
-The money that is being raised
542
00:33:30,763 --> 00:33:35,447
is going to support all of
the local anti-nuclear groups
543
00:33:35,486 --> 00:33:38,135
around the country, and I
want to express my gratitude
544
00:33:38,174 --> 00:33:40,747
and I know
you feel the same way.
545
00:33:42,897 --> 00:33:45,699
She followed up
with a 32-day, 50-city tour
546
00:33:45,738 --> 00:33:50,307
to spread the gospel and raise
a good deal of money.
547
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:53,202
For the environmental groups,
stopping nuclear power
548
00:33:53,226 --> 00:33:59,177
was now glamorous, virtuous,
and lucrative, all at once.
549
00:33:59,215 --> 00:34:02,249
And they had a friend
in President Jimmy Carter,
550
00:34:02,287 --> 00:34:05,474
who promoted energy conservation
and installed solar panels
551
00:34:05,513 --> 00:34:10,081
on the White House, while
downgrading nuclear energy
552
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,228
below coal
on his list of priorities.
553
00:34:15,227 --> 00:34:16,532
-It does now seem likely
554
00:34:16,571 --> 00:34:18,798
that sometime
in the last couple of days,
555
00:34:18,836 --> 00:34:20,272
there's been perhaps
the worst accident
556
00:34:20,296 --> 00:34:25,057
in the short history of the
world's nuclear power industry.
557
00:34:26,632 --> 00:34:28,744
But the fact that
they've had to reveal it
558
00:34:28,782 --> 00:34:30,663
and admit that there are
casualties
559
00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:33,850
suggests they're deeply
worried about the scale of it.
560
00:34:33,888 --> 00:34:35,847
When Chernobyl
in the Ukraine part
561
00:34:35,885 --> 00:34:37,690
of the Soviet Union struck,
562
00:34:37,728 --> 00:34:41,337
it deeply shook the public's
faith in nuclear.
563
00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:43,180
It was just what
the environmentalists
564
00:34:43,218 --> 00:34:44,562
had feared and predicted.
565
00:34:46,407 --> 00:34:48,710
But what happened exactly?
566
00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:52,203
There's no question the
reactor was poorly designed
567
00:34:52,241 --> 00:34:55,198
and lacked a containment
structure to keep radiation
568
00:34:55,237 --> 00:34:58,270
from leaking out
into the environment.
569
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,649
The operators carried out
a risky experiment
570
00:35:01,688 --> 00:35:03,876
that led to a meltdown...
571
00:35:04,913 --> 00:35:06,694
which was very badly handled
by the bureaucracy
572
00:35:06,718 --> 00:35:11,440
of what was then an empire
in decay, the Soviet Union,
573
00:35:11,479 --> 00:35:13,514
which tried to keep it secret.
574
00:35:13,552 --> 00:35:17,430
This allowed low-level radiation
to spread across northern Europe
575
00:35:17,468 --> 00:35:21,078
before the government finally
admitted the problem.
576
00:35:21,116 --> 00:35:25,225
They sent in first responderswith
inadequate protective gear
577
00:35:25,263 --> 00:35:28,143
to get the fire under control.
578
00:35:28,182 --> 00:35:32,635
And these men were exposed to
massive doses of radiation.
579
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:49,493
Vladimir Asmolov
was the scientist
580
00:35:49,531 --> 00:35:50,952
in charge of the investigation.
581
00:35:52,065 --> 00:35:56,442
As he spoke, I saw
he was haunted by the event.
582
00:35:56,481 --> 00:35:57,570
Yeah, it was
a big responsibility.
583
00:35:57,594 --> 00:35:59,898
But you're not responsible
for the explosion.
584
00:35:59,937 --> 00:36:03,162
You were in charge
of the cleanup.
585
00:36:03,201 --> 00:36:06,618
-I don't agree with you
about this.
586
00:36:27,928 --> 00:36:31,768
He thoughtnthe highly-successful
HBO series was a fiction,
587
00:36:31,807 --> 00:36:34,686
that the real scientists were
professional,
588
00:36:34,724 --> 00:36:37,374
and that there was no conflict
with the government,
589
00:36:37,412 --> 00:36:41,060
or the International
Atomic Energy Agency.
590
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,525
According to the United Nations
591
00:37:02,563 --> 00:37:03,522
and World Health Organization,
592
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,130
about 50 people died from
radiation at the reactor.
593
00:37:08,168 --> 00:37:10,396
And possibly 4,000 from cancers
594
00:37:10,434 --> 00:37:13,160
over the long term
in areas downwind.
595
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:14,427
That's a small fraction of
596
00:37:14,465 --> 00:37:17,460
the hundreds of thousands
of deaths every year
597
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:21,031
from generating electricity
with coal.
598
00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:22,121
Chernobyl, the world's worst
599
00:37:22,145 --> 00:37:24,564
nuclear power accident
in history,
600
00:37:24,603 --> 00:37:28,903
was far less deadly than
many industrial tragedies.
601
00:37:29,134 --> 00:37:32,934
The 1984 Union Carbide accident in Bhopal, India,
602
00:37:32,973 --> 00:37:37,466
where chemical gas leaked,
killed 15 to 20,000 people
603
00:37:37,504 --> 00:37:40,000
and injured half a million more.
604
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:46,374
The 1975 collapse of a hydroelectric dam in China
605
00:37:46,413 --> 00:37:49,407
killed roughly 200,000 people.
606
00:37:50,098 --> 00:37:52,594
Outdoor air pollution
kills an estimated
607
00:37:52,633 --> 00:37:55,166
four million people a year.
608
00:37:56,204 --> 00:38:00,505
Industrial accidents and
disease, roughly two million.
609
00:38:00,772 --> 00:38:04,345
Nuclear's death toll,
all from Chernobyl,
610
00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:06,187
is at most in the low thousands,
611
00:38:06,225 --> 00:38:10,833
which is a very tiny fraction
of fossil fuel deaths.
612
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,804
By the early '90s,
613
00:38:27,842 --> 00:38:31,069
activist anti-nuclear groups
were on fire,
614
00:38:31,107 --> 00:38:33,487
calling for no compromise
on the bottom line
615
00:38:33,526 --> 00:38:36,060
that nuclear power
must be eliminated
616
00:38:36,098 --> 00:38:37,673
and that any amount
of radiation,
617
00:38:37,711 --> 00:38:40,246
even if below the normal
background levels,
618
00:38:40,284 --> 00:38:44,968
had to be treated as
a risk to human health.
619
00:38:45,006 --> 00:38:48,577
Every new nuclear-related
project from mining to transport
620
00:38:48,616 --> 00:38:52,570
to construction, operation,
and decommissioning
621
00:38:52,608 --> 00:38:55,336
was now facing a series
of legal, political,
622
00:38:55,374 --> 00:38:57,024
and economic obstacles
623
00:38:57,063 --> 00:39:00,212
that would stall
any further progress.
624
00:39:03,053 --> 00:39:05,050
The supposed death knell
for the industry
625
00:39:05,088 --> 00:39:08,621
finally happened 25 years
after Chernobyl,
626
00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:12,230
in Fukushima, Japan, in 2011.
627
00:39:12,268 --> 00:39:16,646
It was the second largest
accident in nuclear history.
628
00:39:21,062 --> 00:39:22,790
It happened when
the biggest earthquake
629
00:39:22,828 --> 00:39:24,902
Japan ever suffered...
630
00:39:28,318 --> 00:39:33,195
created a tsunami,
100 feet tall.
631
00:39:37,073 --> 00:39:40,951
The earthquake and the tsunami
killed about 18,000 people,
632
00:39:40,989 --> 00:39:44,331
but it had nothing to do
with nuclear power.
633
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:49,437
All the nuclear plants
in the tsunami's path,
634
00:39:49,476 --> 00:39:53,700
with one exception,
avoided serious damage.
635
00:39:54,044 --> 00:39:57,040
But the plant at Fukushima,
like Chernobyl's,
636
00:39:57,078 --> 00:39:58,806
was poorly designed.
637
00:39:58,844 --> 00:40:02,262
Not the reactor,
but the site design.
638
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:06,024
It had too low a seawall,
less than 20 feet,
639
00:40:06,063 --> 00:40:09,519
and all backup generators
were located on low ground
640
00:40:09,557 --> 00:40:11,094
where they flooded.
641
00:40:11,132 --> 00:40:15,586
The plant lost electricity.
The core melted down.
642
00:40:15,624 --> 00:40:19,771
Hydrogen gas built up, and
exploded inside the building,
643
00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:23,265
and radiation was released
into the air.
644
00:40:23,572 --> 00:40:26,145
But the authorities,
unlike at Chernobyl,
645
00:40:26,183 --> 00:40:28,103
did not send in
unprotected people
646
00:40:28,142 --> 00:40:31,713
to fight
the highly-radioactive fire,
647
00:40:31,751 --> 00:40:32,633
and the public never received
648
00:40:32,672 --> 00:40:36,090
more than low-level
harmless radiation.
649
00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:38,432
Fukushima might be
the only disaster in history,
650
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:42,272
widely called a nuclear
disaster by almost everyone,
651
00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:46,188
with a death toll of zero
from nuclear.
652
00:40:46,688 --> 00:40:51,756
More than 600 died from the
badly-managed forced evacuation,
653
00:40:51,794 --> 00:40:54,789
such as when patients
were abruptly yanked out
654
00:40:54,828 --> 00:40:56,517
of hospitals.
655
00:40:56,556 --> 00:41:00,127
But the actual disaster
was the tsunami,
656
00:41:00,165 --> 00:41:03,045
with its 18,000 victims.
657
00:41:06,655 --> 00:41:09,495
Nonetheless,
Japan reacted in panic,
658
00:41:09,534 --> 00:41:11,415
closing down
all its nuclear plants,
659
00:41:11,454 --> 00:41:14,103
whether affected by
the earthquake or not.
660
00:41:14,142 --> 00:41:17,174
And the country remains
frozen with doubt.
661
00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:22,627
In 2021, ten years
after the accident,
662
00:41:22,666 --> 00:41:28,348
only ten of Japan's 33
operable reactors were in use.
663
00:41:28,618 --> 00:41:32,226
Imported fossil fuels
replaced the rest.
664
00:41:35,913 --> 00:41:38,063
The negativity of world opinion resulting from
665
00:41:38,101 --> 00:41:43,515
both Chernobyl and Fukushima
now reached a critical mass.
666
00:41:45,857 --> 00:41:47,279
Germany took
the most severe course,
667
00:41:47,317 --> 00:41:51,694
and under significant political
pressure from the Green Party,
668
00:41:53,077 --> 00:41:57,569
began phasing outnall 17 of its nuclear reactors,
669
00:41:58,989 --> 00:42:02,867
while continuing
to rely on coal plants.
670
00:42:06,516 --> 00:42:10,355
Even in Sweden, winds
were blowing against nuclear.
671
00:42:10,394 --> 00:42:12,850
A new government that included
the Green Party
672
00:42:12,889 --> 00:42:15,154
dramatically raised
anti-nuclear taxes
673
00:42:15,193 --> 00:42:19,994
which led to the premature
retirement of four reactors.
674
00:42:21,068 --> 00:42:22,796
South Korea had
a well-trained generation
675
00:42:22,834 --> 00:42:27,787
of engineers and scientists
and a standardized design,
676
00:42:27,825 --> 00:42:31,742
and had been generatingelectricity
at a very low price
677
00:42:31,781 --> 00:42:33,701
when it decided to pull back.
678
00:42:33,739 --> 00:42:38,270
The heavily-publicized
2016 feature "Pandora,"
679
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:42,763
which pictured an accident
farnworse than the actual Fukushima,
680
00:42:46,718 --> 00:42:50,288
grabbed and swayedpublic opinion against nuclear.
681
00:42:50,787 --> 00:42:54,780
And the government stopped
construction on new plants.
682
00:42:56,585 --> 00:42:59,119
The trend of politicians around
most developed countries
683
00:42:59,158 --> 00:43:02,614
of shutting down
well-working nuclear reactors
684
00:43:02,652 --> 00:43:05,532
met little political opposition.
685
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:07,198
And it became far easier
to approve
686
00:43:07,222 --> 00:43:13,481
a new methane gas power plant
or a new coal plant.
687
00:43:14,171 --> 00:43:16,898
And without forward movement,
the U.S. nuclear industry
688
00:43:16,936 --> 00:43:20,814
was slowly declining as well,
with existing plants
689
00:43:20,853 --> 00:43:24,462
being shut down early...
including Indian Point
690
00:43:24,501 --> 00:43:28,610
which supplied 25 percent
of New York City's electricity
691
00:43:28,648 --> 00:43:30,298
for many years.
692
00:43:30,337 --> 00:43:33,869
And, the planned closing
of Diablo Canyon... California's
693
00:43:33,908 --> 00:43:36,711
last remaining
nuclear power plant.
694
00:43:36,749 --> 00:43:41,011
Although in 2022, this was
reversed after a fierce battle.
695
00:43:41,049 --> 00:43:43,507
I now believe that
nuclear is vital to our future
696
00:43:43,545 --> 00:43:45,964
on this planet, and
I've helped start a group
697
00:43:46,003 --> 00:43:47,668
called Mothers for Nuclear
to help explain why.
698
00:43:47,692 --> 00:43:51,340
These reactors have
operated safely and reliably
699
00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:54,296
for decades, producing
about 9 percent
700
00:43:54,335 --> 00:43:59,135
of California's electricity
in recent years.
701
00:44:02,552 --> 00:44:04,626
There are still a number
of nuclear reactors
702
00:44:04,664 --> 00:44:07,583
working in
the United States today.
703
00:44:07,774 --> 00:44:10,962
These legacy reactors,
more than 30 or 40 years later,
704
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,799
still supply 20 percent
of U.S. electricity.
705
00:44:15,838 --> 00:44:22,020
Working 24-7 without oil
spills, gas leaks or coal pollution.
706
00:44:23,325 --> 00:44:25,014
They have become so uneventful
707
00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:28,201
it's easy to forget
they even exist.
708
00:44:28,663 --> 00:44:31,504
Many people to this day
still think that these plants
709
00:44:31,542 --> 00:44:35,074
are capable of blowing up
like a nuclear bomb.
710
00:44:35,459 --> 00:44:38,339
But that's physically
impossible because their uranium
711
00:44:38,377 --> 00:44:40,221
is not sufficiently enriched
712
00:44:40,259 --> 00:44:43,023
in any way close to
the necessary amount.
713
00:44:43,061 --> 00:44:45,980
The idea that low levels
of radiation are dangerous,
714
00:44:46,018 --> 00:44:50,856
right down to near zero,
is a contamination phobia,
715
00:44:51,624 --> 00:44:55,618
which, when you think it
through, is kind of ridiculous.
716
00:44:55,924 --> 00:44:59,457
We've evolved, after all, on
a planet filled with uranium
717
00:44:59,495 --> 00:45:03,872
and bombarded by both
sunlight and cosmic rays.
718
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:07,060
Our bodies are built
by nature and evolution
719
00:45:07,099 --> 00:45:10,592
to handle small amounts
of radiation.
720
00:45:11,091 --> 00:45:13,741
Medical procedures
such as dentistry account for
721
00:45:13,779 --> 00:45:18,924
about one-third of the radiation
to which humans are exposed.
722
00:45:19,346 --> 00:45:23,724
The other two-thirds being
natural background radiation.
723
00:45:23,762 --> 00:45:25,951
This low-level background
radiation doubles
724
00:45:25,989 --> 00:45:29,561
if you live at altitude
in Denver, Colorado.
725
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,823
Or triples if you work on
a long-distance airline crew.
726
00:45:33,861 --> 00:45:36,932
Or if you smoke a pack
of cigarettes each day.
727
00:45:36,971 --> 00:45:42,347
The FDA sets a radiation
dosenlimit for diagnostic procedures.
728
00:45:42,961 --> 00:45:45,611
Radioactive iodine treatment
of thyroid cancer
729
00:45:45,649 --> 00:45:49,834
delivers 100,000 milli-Sievertsto the thyroid
730
00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:53,712
and 200 milli-Sieverts
as a whole-body dose.
731
00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:57,975
Granite contains some uranium,
and you get extra radiation
732
00:45:58,013 --> 00:45:59,279
if you live near a mountain
733
00:45:59,318 --> 00:46:02,429
or work in a building
like the U.S. Capitol.
734
00:46:02,467 --> 00:46:05,154
And it's far higher
in Ramsar, Iran,
735
00:46:05,193 --> 00:46:07,190
with its radium hot springs.
736
00:46:07,228 --> 00:46:09,724
Or the black sand beaches
of Brazil,
737
00:46:09,762 --> 00:46:11,567
where people bury themselves
in the sand
738
00:46:11,606 --> 00:46:15,446
to get what they consider
a healthy dose.
739
00:46:16,865 --> 00:46:21,128
High levels of radiation
are dangerous, for sure.
740
00:46:21,166 --> 00:46:23,355
People died and got very sick
from exposure
741
00:46:23,393 --> 00:46:27,195
in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
and at Chernobyl.
742
00:46:27,233 --> 00:46:30,036
But there is no basis
for the public perception
743
00:46:30,074 --> 00:46:31,611
that the offspring
from these survivors
744
00:46:31,649 --> 00:46:34,989
had an increased rate
of genetic defects.
745
00:46:35,028 --> 00:46:37,178
Massive and careful
long-term studies
746
00:46:37,216 --> 00:46:39,866
do not support
these conceptions.
747
00:46:40,596 --> 00:46:43,475
Fears of passing down
horrible mutations
748
00:46:43,513 --> 00:46:46,124
like the three-eyed fish
of The Simpsons
749
00:46:46,163 --> 00:46:48,275
are without foundation.
750
00:47:06,322 --> 00:47:08,165
-So what kind of audience
do you get,
751
00:47:08,203 --> 00:47:09,739
and what kind of feedback?
752
00:47:09,778 --> 00:47:13,042
-On TikTok, it's mostly
18-to 25-year-old females,
753
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,922
which is unheard of
for science communicators.
754
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,839
A single one of my videos
can get something like
755
00:47:18,877 --> 00:47:21,988
500,000 views, and
that's 500,000 people
756
00:47:22,026 --> 00:47:24,215
that didn't know anything
about nuclear power,
757
00:47:24,253 --> 00:47:26,903
but now do and might have
changed their minds.
758
00:47:26,941 --> 00:47:29,744
-What are some of the things
that young girls say?
759
00:47:29,782 --> 00:47:31,702
-Some things,
like I used to think
760
00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:36,195
that millions of people died
when Chernobyl happened.
761
00:47:36,233 --> 00:47:37,577
So there are a lot of people
762
00:47:37,616 --> 00:47:39,343
changing their minds
around that.
763
00:47:39,381 --> 00:47:41,916
And nuclear waste as well.
764
00:47:41,955 --> 00:47:44,758
The nuclear industry is the
only energy generating industry
765
00:47:44,796 --> 00:47:47,599
that's actually responsible
for its waste
766
00:47:47,637 --> 00:47:48,789
because it is radioactive.
767
00:47:48,827 --> 00:47:51,247
And so as soon as it comes
out of the plant,
768
00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:54,127
it's handled by the industry.
769
00:47:54,165 --> 00:47:55,370
-We have a highly
rigorous process
770
00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:59,733
to manage the waste coming
from a nuclear plant.
771
00:47:59,771 --> 00:48:03,841
And we can tell you exactly
where every bit of waste is
772
00:48:03,879 --> 00:48:05,569
from every nuclear plant
that is operated.
773
00:48:05,607 --> 00:48:11,252
It's contained, it's located
on sites that are protected.
774
00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:14,131
We can't say the same for
many other energy resources,
775
00:48:14,169 --> 00:48:16,205
where waste goes up in the air,
776
00:48:16,243 --> 00:48:21,312
or we have piles of tailings
from those materials.
777
00:48:21,350 --> 00:48:24,037
And I hesitate to call it waste
a lot of times
778
00:48:24,076 --> 00:48:26,419
because it's really
just used fuel.
779
00:48:26,457 --> 00:48:29,836
-Not a single person
anywhere in the world
780
00:48:29,874 --> 00:48:34,290
has ever been harmed
by used nuclear fuel.
781
00:48:34,328 --> 00:48:36,364
What many don't know
is that if we brought together
782
00:48:36,402 --> 00:48:40,625
all of America's spent fuel
from 60 years of powering
783
00:48:40,663 --> 00:48:42,583
20 percent of our electricity,
784
00:48:42,622 --> 00:48:45,233
it would be the size
of a Walmart.
785
00:48:45,271 --> 00:48:48,458
60 years, 20 percent
of our electricity
786
00:48:48,496 --> 00:48:51,262
would be the size of a Walmart.
787
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:53,028
There's nothing
uniquely dangerous
788
00:48:53,067 --> 00:48:54,986
about radioactive materials.
789
00:48:55,024 --> 00:48:57,904
They're just one of
many industrial materials
790
00:48:57,942 --> 00:49:02,550
that can be toxic
and must be handled carefully.
791
00:49:03,434 --> 00:49:06,390
The U.S. solution for now
is dry cask cylinders,
792
00:49:06,429 --> 00:49:10,114
eighteen feet high,
made of concrete and steel,
793
00:49:10,153 --> 00:49:11,842
that keep radiation contained,
794
00:49:11,881 --> 00:49:15,452
and are not damaged
by things like earthquakes.
795
00:49:15,490 --> 00:49:18,485
Concrete absorbs radiation.
796
00:49:19,791 --> 00:49:20,636
The government hopes to use
797
00:49:20,674 --> 00:49:24,897
the spent fuel someday to
power new reactor types.
798
00:49:24,936 --> 00:49:28,623
Or it can, like their military
has been doing for years,
799
00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:31,348
safely bury the waste
underground,
800
00:49:31,387 --> 00:49:37,492
because radioactive
materialsnactually lose potency over time.
801
00:49:39,258 --> 00:49:42,291
Finland is already building
a permanent storage site
802
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:46,477
for spent fuel
in bedrock deep underground.
803
00:49:46,515 --> 00:49:50,738
Sealed in copper canisters
and back filled with clay.
804
00:49:51,699 --> 00:49:55,463
Sweden plans to use
the same design.
805
00:49:55,501 --> 00:49:58,495
Two billion years ago
in Gabon, in Africa,
806
00:49:58,534 --> 00:50:00,415
there were natural
nuclear reactors.
807
00:50:00,454 --> 00:50:04,062
Meaning in these
uranium mines in Africa,
808
00:50:04,102 --> 00:50:07,595
water would pool
around the uranium
809
00:50:07,633 --> 00:50:10,168
and that would create
a chain reaction.
810
00:50:10,206 --> 00:50:12,049
And so these reactors operated
811
00:50:12,088 --> 00:50:13,816
for hundreds of thousands
of years,
812
00:50:13,854 --> 00:50:17,809
and they left behind
what we call nuclear waste,
813
00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:18,730
fission products.
814
00:50:18,768 --> 00:50:22,417
And just by analyzing
where these fission products are
815
00:50:22,456 --> 00:50:25,143
in the area,
scientists actually know
816
00:50:25,181 --> 00:50:27,946
that nuclear waste
doesn't move very far,
817
00:50:27,984 --> 00:50:30,364
even in a scale of hundreds
of thousands of years
818
00:50:30,403 --> 00:50:31,978
or, in this case,
two billion years.
819
00:50:32,016 --> 00:50:33,936
Hey, guys, so a lot of you have been asking
820
00:50:33,975 --> 00:50:34,819
about my makeup routine.
821
00:50:34,857 --> 00:50:35,588
The most important thing is,
822
00:50:35,626 --> 00:50:37,022
make sure you wash your face
really well
823
00:50:37,046 --> 00:50:37,929
because we want those pores
824
00:50:37,967 --> 00:50:38,851
as clean as we want
our electricity.
825
00:50:38,889 --> 00:50:41,054
And the best way to get that
is to use this cleanser called
826
00:50:41,078 --> 00:50:43,611
Stop Shutting Down Nuclear
Plants For Christ's Sake.
827
00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:46,107
It's carbon free,
emission free pollution,
828
00:50:46,146 --> 00:50:46,646
free electricity.
829
00:50:46,684 --> 00:50:48,566
The answer
to solving climate change
830
00:50:48,604 --> 00:50:49,372
is very straightforward.
831
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:53,059
We have the solutions.
We just have to implement them.
832
00:50:53,097 --> 00:50:56,053
You know, the first question
is, but isn't it too dangerous?
833
00:50:56,091 --> 00:50:57,127
What about the waste?
834
00:50:57,165 --> 00:51:01,620
Nuclear waste is nothing
compared to climate change.
835
00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:09,876
In 2006, the film An
Inconvenient Truth,
836
00:51:09,914 --> 00:51:12,257
produced by former
Vice President Al Gore,
837
00:51:12,295 --> 00:51:15,367
dramatized vividly the dangers
of carbon emissions
838
00:51:15,405 --> 00:51:16,825
and overheating the planet.
839
00:51:16,864 --> 00:51:20,819
-Look how far above
the natural cycle this is.
840
00:51:20,857 --> 00:51:21,510
And we've done that.
841
00:51:21,548 --> 00:51:25,504
-And the Oscar goes toAn Inconvenient Truth.
842
00:51:25,963 --> 00:51:27,616
It opened
with a worldwide impact
843
00:51:27,654 --> 00:51:31,302
and won a Nobel Prize
and an Oscar.
844
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:34,488
In the years that followed,
the issue of climate change
845
00:51:34,527 --> 00:51:35,832
became even more polarized,
846
00:51:35,871 --> 00:51:39,250
with conservatives
holding on to their position,
847
00:51:39,288 --> 00:51:39,864
that this was not
848
00:51:39,903 --> 00:51:42,629
an extraordinary event
created by mankind.
849
00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:46,738
-Climate change is not science,
it's religion.
850
00:51:46,776 --> 00:51:49,233
In 2017, President Trump,
851
00:51:49,271 --> 00:51:51,383
despising tree huggers
and liberals,
852
00:51:51,422 --> 00:51:55,069
pulled the United Statesnout
of the Paris Climate Accord
853
00:51:55,107 --> 00:51:58,793
and called climate change
a hoax.
854
00:52:00,138 --> 00:52:03,670
At the other extreme,
environmentalists and activists
855
00:52:03,709 --> 00:52:05,552
were folding the issue
of climate change
856
00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:11,120
into a wider agenda of ending
capitalism and globalization,
857
00:52:11,158 --> 00:52:14,037
bringing to the forefront
inequality.
858
00:52:14,076 --> 00:52:17,148
-We are in the beginning
of a mass extinction
859
00:52:17,186 --> 00:52:19,759
and all you can talk about
is the money
860
00:52:19,797 --> 00:52:23,867
and fairy tales of
eternal economic growth.
861
00:52:23,905 --> 00:52:25,327
How dare you!
862
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,316
But most people
were in the middle,
863
00:52:31,355 --> 00:52:34,427
confused by the claims,
but scared by the changes
864
00:52:34,465 --> 00:52:37,382
they were seeing so vividly
in the weather,
865
00:52:37,422 --> 00:52:40,110
oceans, and animal kingdom.
866
00:52:40,148 --> 00:52:43,795
People wanted not partisan
or ideological solutions,
867
00:52:43,834 --> 00:52:45,984
but practical ones.
868
00:52:48,058 --> 00:52:50,629
One solution that gained
momentum during this time
869
00:52:50,668 --> 00:52:54,240
was clean energy
in the form of renewables.
870
00:52:54,278 --> 00:52:55,546
Global investment in renewables
871
00:52:55,584 --> 00:52:59,231
reached close to
$3 trillion dollars
872
00:52:59,269 --> 00:53:02,572
and costs dropped by
80 percent for solar
873
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:06,604
and 50 percent for wind.
A giant step.
874
00:53:06,642 --> 00:53:09,905
Together, wind and solar
grew from about two percent
875
00:53:09,944 --> 00:53:14,052
to ten percent of world
electricity generation.
876
00:53:15,282 --> 00:53:17,624
Hydroelectric power, the
biggest of the renewables,
877
00:53:17,662 --> 00:53:22,040
expanded across
southeast Asia and elsewhere.
878
00:53:22,116 --> 00:53:24,881
But despite the massive
effort and the optimism,
879
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,184
the Intergovermental Panel
on Climate Change...
880
00:53:27,223 --> 00:53:32,828
the IPCC... stated in 2018,
and again more strongly
881
00:53:32,866 --> 00:53:36,170
in 2021, that if we didn't
cut carbon emissions
882
00:53:36,208 --> 00:53:39,856
by nearly 100 percent
in less than 30 years,
883
00:53:39,895 --> 00:53:43,734
by 2050, the world
would suffer serious damage
884
00:53:43,772 --> 00:53:46,575
to ecosystems and economies.
885
00:53:46,614 --> 00:53:51,260
There would be mega changes like
the melting of polar ice sheets,
886
00:53:51,298 --> 00:53:57,096
sea level rise, coastal cities
might become uninhabitable.
887
00:53:57,326 --> 00:54:00,206
There would be an increase
in the frequency and size
888
00:54:00,245 --> 00:54:05,888
of extreme weather
events, forest fires, droughts,
889
00:54:05,927 --> 00:54:09,920
terrible heat waves, and
unusually strong hurricanes.
890
00:54:22,477 --> 00:54:25,625
Ominously, the predictions
from the 1980s
891
00:54:25,663 --> 00:54:27,852
are proving to be accurate,
892
00:54:27,891 --> 00:54:31,193
because we're still depending
on fossil fuels
893
00:54:31,231 --> 00:54:33,497
and we're in the same place
we were
894
00:54:33,535 --> 00:54:36,530
at the turn of the century.
895
00:54:36,568 --> 00:54:37,951
How can that be?
896
00:54:38,181 --> 00:54:41,483
We have put such effort
and money into renewables,
897
00:54:41,522 --> 00:54:44,478
yet we burn more fossil fuels
than ever.
898
00:54:44,517 --> 00:54:49,853
To understand how this happened,
Germany is a good case in point.
899
00:54:51,045 --> 00:54:53,770
No nation has done more
to promote green power
900
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:56,957
in the last 20 years
and received a great deal
901
00:54:56,996 --> 00:54:59,223
of favorable publicity.
902
00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:01,219
Germany made
the fateful decision
903
00:55:01,257 --> 00:55:05,904
to phase out nuclear power
by 2022.
904
00:55:06,057 --> 00:55:08,016
-We won't support even
a one second extension
905
00:55:08,054 --> 00:55:11,856
for an energy form
that we can't fully control.
906
00:55:17,654 --> 00:55:19,573
Replacing it
with roughly the same amount
907
00:55:19,611 --> 00:55:23,912
of electricity using
renewable power instead.
908
00:55:24,757 --> 00:55:26,639
How did that work out?
909
00:55:29,173 --> 00:55:33,397
Germany's largest solar plant,
with 465,000 panels,
910
00:55:33,435 --> 00:55:37,159
was built on 500 acres.
911
00:55:37,774 --> 00:55:40,154
The nuclear plant,
which was recently closed,
912
00:55:40,193 --> 00:55:42,842
was built on about 100 acres.
913
00:55:43,342 --> 00:55:47,334
It operated around the clock,
all seasons, all weather,
914
00:55:47,373 --> 00:55:51,558
on average producingnat
near 90 percent of its peak.
915
00:55:51,981 --> 00:55:52,994
The average for the solar plant
916
00:55:53,018 --> 00:55:56,013
has been about
11 percent of its peak,
917
00:55:56,051 --> 00:55:56,704
because most of the time,
918
00:55:56,742 --> 00:56:00,429
it's either night,
winter, or cloudy.
919
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,039
So the reality is
that a nuclear plant
920
00:56:03,077 --> 00:56:05,919
produces almost 100 times
the electricity per year
921
00:56:05,957 --> 00:56:11,295
as a solar plant, and can
do soon one fifth the land.
922
00:56:11,333 --> 00:56:14,788
Germany also built
about 30,000 wind turbines,
923
00:56:14,827 --> 00:56:18,705
some of the newer ones
almost as tall as the Eiffel Tower.
924
00:56:19,435 --> 00:56:20,663
Wind has worked for Germany,
925
00:56:20,702 --> 00:56:23,812
producing twice as much
electricity as solar.
926
00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:29,227
But it still averages less than
a quarter of its peak capacity.
927
00:56:29,802 --> 00:56:31,683
To equal the same amount
of nuclear power
928
00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:34,717
would require
4,000 giant turbines
929
00:56:34,755 --> 00:56:37,289
spread over many square
kilometers.
930
00:56:37,327 --> 00:56:39,939
And would still depend
on the weather.
931
00:56:40,131 --> 00:56:43,049
One way to make wind
and solar more efficient
932
00:56:43,087 --> 00:56:44,432
when weather is a factor,
933
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:48,117
is to store some of their power in batteries.
934
00:56:48,233 --> 00:56:49,961
Their prices
are dropping quickly
935
00:56:49,999 --> 00:56:53,109
and there's an intense race
going on.
936
00:56:53,148 --> 00:56:54,913
China, at this point
is far in the lead,
937
00:56:54,952 --> 00:56:59,099
producing more than 70 percent
of all battery cells.
938
00:57:00,827 --> 00:57:05,051
Still, despite the promise of
bigger and better batteries,
939
00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:08,699
Bill Gates, who's invested a
billion dollars in renewables,
940
00:57:08,737 --> 00:57:10,772
has said there's
no battery technology
941
00:57:10,811 --> 00:57:13,307
that's even close
to allowing us to take
942
00:57:13,345 --> 00:57:15,572
all of our energy
from renewables.
943
00:57:15,611 --> 00:57:20,947
-It'll be a lot of renewables
and either a storage miracle
944
00:57:20,986 --> 00:57:24,557
or quite a bit of nuclear.
945
00:57:24,595 --> 00:57:26,323
The problem is scale.
946
00:57:26,362 --> 00:57:28,396
What works for a phone or a car
947
00:57:28,434 --> 00:57:31,660
doesn't work for
a city or a continent.
948
00:57:34,194 --> 00:57:37,919
Germany doesn't have the
naturalhydroelectric potential
949
00:57:37,958 --> 00:57:39,878
like Norway or New Zealand.
950
00:57:39,916 --> 00:57:42,757
And most of the great
hydro sites in the world
951
00:57:42,795 --> 00:57:46,827
are already dammed, leaving
little upside in development.
952
00:57:48,709 --> 00:57:52,394
And geothermal energy,
such as it exists in Iceland,
953
00:57:52,432 --> 00:57:57,194
is unproven outside of
limited volcanic locations.
954
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,647
Which leaves biomass, the
burning of organic material.
955
00:58:03,645 --> 00:58:05,450
Germany cuts down
and burns forests
956
00:58:05,488 --> 00:58:07,447
in Europe and North America
957
00:58:07,485 --> 00:58:11,708
with a similar result
as fossil fuel pollution.
958
00:58:12,668 --> 00:58:16,124
And yet it's called renewable
energy, because in theory,
959
00:58:16,163 --> 00:58:19,618
new trees grow back when
you cut the old ones down.
960
00:58:19,657 --> 00:58:23,304
But it takes decades for
the new trees to grow back.
961
00:58:24,457 --> 00:58:27,298
The mathematics
simply do not add up.
962
00:58:30,178 --> 00:58:33,941
All of these renewables
combined are not enough to provide
963
00:58:33,979 --> 00:58:36,206
Germany's demand for energy.
964
00:58:36,245 --> 00:58:39,393
So it still has to burn coal.
965
00:58:39,662 --> 00:58:43,079
A more economical solution
is natural gas,
966
00:58:43,117 --> 00:58:47,993
also known as methane gas,
which is widely available,
967
00:58:48,032 --> 00:58:51,527
especially since
the fracking revolution.
968
00:58:51,565 --> 00:58:53,601
Is this a solution?
969
00:58:53,716 --> 00:58:57,363
-Methane gas is less
polluting than coal.
970
00:58:57,402 --> 00:58:59,014
That's true. Half the CO2.
971
00:58:59,052 --> 00:59:00,742
But that's still putting CO2 in
972
00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:03,200
every time you light
methane fire,
973
00:59:03,238 --> 00:59:05,349
you're putting CO2
into the atmosphere.
974
00:59:05,387 --> 00:59:07,423
And then the dirty secret
of it is,
975
00:59:07,461 --> 00:59:10,379
it leaks out all along the line.
976
00:59:10,418 --> 00:59:12,415
Although
it's invisible to the eye,
977
00:59:12,453 --> 00:59:15,371
methane can be seen
by infrared cameras,
978
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:18,405
which reveal that it severely
pollutes the atmosphere
979
00:59:18,443 --> 00:59:21,822
when it leaks
and escapes unburned.
980
00:59:21,861 --> 00:59:23,857
If you take
a methane gas detector
981
00:59:23,895 --> 00:59:25,623
and go around, you'll find that
982
00:59:25,662 --> 00:59:27,390
there's gas pipelines
everywhere.
983
00:59:27,428 --> 00:59:29,233
Under our streets.
Your gas stove.
984
00:59:29,271 --> 00:59:32,074
You turn it on, goes click,
click click and then it lights...
985
00:59:32,113 --> 00:59:33,342
that unburned methane.
986
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:35,684
And when that stuff
gets into the atmosphere,
987
00:59:35,722 --> 00:59:40,790
it's 80 times worse
for global warming than CO2.
988
00:59:40,829 --> 00:59:44,015
And it doesn't last as long as
CO2, but in the immediate,
989
00:59:44,053 --> 00:59:46,704
the next few decades,
it's a major problem.
990
00:59:46,742 --> 00:59:49,277
Methane levels are going
way up in the atmosphere,
991
00:59:49,315 --> 00:59:53,807
and it's definitely contributinga
lot to climate change.
992
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,109
It's no wonder that publicly,
oil and gas companies
993
00:59:57,148 --> 00:59:59,797
fully support renewables
and lobby for subsidies.
994
00:59:59,836 --> 01:00:05,556
They tell us natural gas is the
nperfect partner for renewables.
995
01:00:05,595 --> 01:00:06,608
But it's a false solution.
996
01:00:06,632 --> 01:00:09,166
In the last 30 years,
renewables have been going in
997
01:00:09,204 --> 01:00:13,428
on top of fossil fuels,
not replacing them.
998
01:00:13,467 --> 01:00:15,579
And that's why
the overall proportion
999
01:00:15,617 --> 01:00:19,494
of clean renewable energy
hasn't changed.
1000
01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:24,333
Sadly, more than 80 percent
ofnenergy use is still fossil fuel.
1001
01:00:25,139 --> 01:00:27,789
Altogether, Germany
has spent over $200 billion
1002
01:00:27,827 --> 01:00:30,553
on renewables since 2013.
1003
01:00:30,591 --> 01:00:34,277
But within Europe, Germany
has the highest electricity prices,
1004
01:00:34,316 --> 01:00:38,809
and their carbon emissions
are among the highest.
1005
01:00:38,962 --> 01:00:43,339
This energy indecision is not
just a European phenomenon,
1006
01:00:43,377 --> 01:00:45,950
but is something that is
affecting many countries
1007
01:00:45,988 --> 01:00:48,292
on a global scale.
1008
01:00:48,985 --> 01:00:51,556
India, with well over
a billion people,
1009
01:00:51,595 --> 01:00:54,475
represents another
crucial participant
1010
01:00:54,513 --> 01:00:56,587
in our world community.
1011
01:00:57,123 --> 01:00:58,851
Demand for
air conditioning alone
1012
01:00:58,890 --> 01:01:00,771
in India and other hot countries
1013
01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:05,533
is projected to triple
by 2050 worldwide.
1014
01:01:05,571 --> 01:01:08,643
India has made tremendous gains in solar power
1015
01:01:08,682 --> 01:01:12,828
and is planning to build
at large scale very cheaply.
1016
01:01:12,866 --> 01:01:16,169
It has a new
technology-trained workforce.
1017
01:01:16,207 --> 01:01:19,164
Its solar power has become
cheaper than coal.
1018
01:01:19,202 --> 01:01:22,850
And wind has become
cost competitive.
1019
01:01:22,966 --> 01:01:26,306
Both energies are still
weather dependent.
1020
01:01:26,345 --> 01:01:31,374
India has ventured into nuclear
power with 23 reactors on-line,
1021
01:01:31,413 --> 01:01:33,870
seven under construction
and more planned.
1022
01:01:33,909 --> 01:01:37,403
And Indian consumers,
sick of the deadly pollution
1023
01:01:37,441 --> 01:01:39,861
in their cities,
may well push the government
1024
01:01:39,899 --> 01:01:44,661
to accelerate these kinds of
clean energy initiatives.
1025
01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:48,154
But India is a democracy,
and if you don't give people
1026
01:01:48,192 --> 01:01:51,533
what they want,
which is cheap electricity,
1027
01:01:51,572 --> 01:01:54,068
you'll be voted out of office.
1028
01:01:54,106 --> 01:01:55,412
So the Indian government says
1029
01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:56,908
that for the next
foreseeable future,
1030
01:01:56,947 --> 01:02:01,747
75 percent of their electricity will be from coal.
1031
01:02:04,627 --> 01:02:07,161
In Russia, there is also
some indecision
1032
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,004
about their energy future.
1033
01:02:09,043 --> 01:02:11,960
There's a lot of
cheap methane gas,
1034
01:02:11,998 --> 01:02:13,051
which can supply electricity
1035
01:02:13,075 --> 01:02:16,414
and can be exported
successfully to other countries,
1036
01:02:16,453 --> 01:02:19,717
though at the cost of
accelerating climate change.
1037
01:02:19,755 --> 01:02:22,405
But Russia has a significant
nuclear program,
1038
01:02:22,443 --> 01:02:24,017
as their government agency
Rosatom
1039
01:02:24,056 --> 01:02:26,974
employs some
quarter-million engineers,
1040
01:02:27,013 --> 01:02:29,393
researchers and employees.
1041
01:02:30,853 --> 01:02:31,274
-Global warming,
1042
01:02:31,313 --> 01:02:34,769
which is caused by CO2 emission,
is something which is
1043
01:02:34,806 --> 01:02:37,033
very painfully felt
here in Russia
1044
01:02:37,072 --> 01:02:39,991
because a big chunk
of Russia's territory
1045
01:02:40,029 --> 01:02:42,026
is located closer to the North.
1046
01:02:42,065 --> 01:02:47,824
This is why we actually feel all
these variations in temperature.
1047
01:02:48,976 --> 01:02:51,049
So I'll give you
an example, Mr. Stone.
1048
01:02:51,088 --> 01:02:55,003
Currently in the world,
there is 490 gigawatts
1049
01:02:55,042 --> 01:02:56,923
of installed nuclear capacity.
1050
01:02:56,962 --> 01:03:01,378
If we replace this with gas
or oil power generation,
1051
01:03:01,416 --> 01:03:04,603
that would cause
emission of more than
1052
01:03:04,642 --> 01:03:08,442
two billion tons of CO2
into the atmosphere.
1053
01:03:08,481 --> 01:03:10,170
-I get it.
1054
01:03:10,209 --> 01:03:11,170
-So the nuclear industry is
1055
01:03:11,208 --> 01:03:16,622
in fact, an extra lung
that our world has.
1056
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:19,577
-Well said, an extra lung.
1057
01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:25,261
When it joined
the World Trade Organization
1058
01:03:25,299 --> 01:03:28,448
on favorable terms in 2001,
1059
01:03:28,486 --> 01:03:31,251
China became
the world's workshop.
1060
01:03:33,401 --> 01:03:37,010
Incomes rose for hundreds
of millions of people.
1061
01:03:37,779 --> 01:03:41,272
And with agricultural
and computer progress,
1062
01:03:41,311 --> 01:03:45,074
the expectations of people
in general brightened.
1063
01:03:45,112 --> 01:03:47,493
But the worm in the apple
was that as the West moved
1064
01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:51,180
much of its manufacturing
to China,
1065
01:03:51,218 --> 01:03:53,522
more and more coal was burned.
1066
01:03:53,598 --> 01:03:58,475
Half of the world's coal
is now burned in China.
1067
01:03:58,897 --> 01:04:00,356
The poster child of this shift
1068
01:04:00,395 --> 01:04:05,270
was the San Francisco-Oakland
Bay Bridge, built by China,
1069
01:04:05,309 --> 01:04:06,429
its pieces then shipped over
1070
01:04:06,462 --> 01:04:10,032
and put together
in the Bay Area in 2013.
1071
01:04:10,070 --> 01:04:13,411
California brags
that it doesn't burn coal.
1072
01:04:13,450 --> 01:04:15,023
It's a nice and clean state.
1073
01:04:15,061 --> 01:04:19,209
But China burns the coal
for California.
1074
01:04:19,247 --> 01:04:22,166
China has a major decision
to make,
1075
01:04:22,205 --> 01:04:24,930
which will impact
all our futures.
1076
01:04:25,468 --> 01:04:26,351
Does it modernize
1077
01:04:26,389 --> 01:04:29,807
or does it continue down
the path of coal?
1078
01:04:30,536 --> 01:04:32,536
China's emissions,
combined with the United States,
1079
01:04:32,571 --> 01:04:35,490
make up almost half
of the world's total.
1080
01:04:37,025 --> 01:04:40,635
The key to decarbonization
lies in these two countries,
1081
01:04:40,673 --> 01:04:44,436
who ideally should be partners
in this global issue.
1082
01:04:46,472 --> 01:04:50,272
What's scary is not
the same as what's dangerous.
1083
01:04:50,311 --> 01:04:52,768
Coal is dangerous.
1084
01:04:52,807 --> 01:04:55,072
It kills millions of people
every year.
1085
01:04:55,110 --> 01:04:58,528
More people die from coal
in a couple of weeks
1086
01:04:58,567 --> 01:05:00,410
than have ever died
from nuclear,
1087
01:05:00,448 --> 01:05:03,020
which is all from the one
accident in Chernobyl.
1088
01:05:03,058 --> 01:05:05,670
People are scared of flying
because it's dramatic.
1089
01:05:05,708 --> 01:05:09,932
If a plane crashes, you know,
you're going to die.
1090
01:05:11,007 --> 01:05:14,539
-"I'd say severe turbulence,
definitely severe turbulence."
1091
01:05:14,577 --> 01:05:16,167
-And they can't get that image
out of their mind.
1092
01:05:16,191 --> 01:05:20,453
But actually driving is
far more dangerous than flying.
1093
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,946
And in the same way,
a nuclear accident,
1094
01:05:23,984 --> 01:05:27,978
because of all this hype around
nuclear power scares people.
1095
01:05:28,016 --> 01:05:31,320
But actually,
it's orders of magnitude safer
1096
01:05:31,358 --> 01:05:33,930
than fossil fuel,
especially coal.
1097
01:05:33,968 --> 01:05:36,119
It's as though
you're on a bridge
1098
01:05:36,157 --> 01:05:39,690
and a train is coming
onto the bridge.
1099
01:05:42,608 --> 01:05:45,219
-"Train!!!"
1100
01:05:45,449 --> 01:05:48,444
And the train coming
at you is climate change.
1101
01:05:48,484 --> 01:05:48,829
-Oh, shit.
1102
01:05:48,868 --> 01:05:52,323
And what we're doing is
trying to run off the bridge
1103
01:05:52,361 --> 01:05:52,975
away from the train,
1104
01:05:53,014 --> 01:05:54,219
but we don't have time
to get off the bridge.
1105
01:05:54,243 --> 01:05:57,198
That's our renewables.
That's our personal
1106
01:05:57,237 --> 01:05:58,044
carbon footprint.-
1107
01:05:58,083 --> 01:06:01,346
All the little things
that we're supposed to do.
1108
01:06:01,384 --> 01:06:01,999
But it's not working.
1109
01:06:02,038 --> 01:06:04,073
And the thing that we have
that we know works
1110
01:06:04,111 --> 01:06:07,451
is to jump off the bridge
into the water below,
1111
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:09,410
and that's nuclear power.
1112
01:06:09,448 --> 01:06:10,061
The jump is scary,
1113
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:12,788
but it's the train
that's going to kill you.
1114
01:06:16,359 --> 01:06:18,970
Many in the West's
post-industrial lifestyle
1115
01:06:19,009 --> 01:06:22,349
feel they're taking steps
in the right direction.
1116
01:06:22,388 --> 01:06:22,887
And they are.
1117
01:06:22,925 --> 01:06:26,458
People preach the green gospel, they recycle,
1118
01:06:26,497 --> 01:06:27,648
they install solar panels,
1119
01:06:27,686 --> 01:06:31,143
and look for sustainability
in their consumer brands.
1120
01:06:31,181 --> 01:06:34,713
'Turn out the lights.
Drive more efficient cars.
1121
01:06:34,752 --> 01:06:36,825
Reduce your carbon footprint.'
1122
01:06:36,864 --> 01:06:39,859
We do things that are
politically doable, affordable,
1123
01:06:39,897 --> 01:06:41,663
convenient and make us feel good
1124
01:06:41,701 --> 01:06:44,658
about being virtuous,
better citizens.
1125
01:06:45,426 --> 01:06:47,307
And we all hope,
somewhat blindly,
1126
01:06:47,346 --> 01:06:52,529
that these things will add up,
but they don't.
1127
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:56,446
So what do we need to do?
1128
01:06:56,484 --> 01:06:58,366
How do we solve this problem
in a better way
1129
01:06:58,404 --> 01:06:59,787
than just trying to
add up things
1130
01:06:59,826 --> 01:07:02,743
that don't get to a solution?
1131
01:07:03,050 --> 01:07:04,932
The answer is to think
objectively,
1132
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:10,192
top down from the future back
to now, and be very honest.
1133
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:12,688
Where do we actually
need to be in 2050
1134
01:07:12,726 --> 01:07:14,953
to solve carbon emissions?
1135
01:07:14,992 --> 01:07:16,272
And working backwards
from there,
1136
01:07:16,297 --> 01:07:20,675
what steps can we take
to get to that solution?
1137
01:07:23,516 --> 01:07:28,277
One place to start is to include
everyone in our thinking...
1138
01:07:28,316 --> 01:07:29,328
not only the billion people
1139
01:07:29,352 --> 01:07:32,769
living in the richer parts
of the world,
1140
01:07:32,807 --> 01:07:34,766
but the seven billion who don't,
1141
01:07:34,804 --> 01:07:38,836
and are now producing
two-thirdsof carbon emissions...
1142
01:07:38,875 --> 01:07:44,213
700 million of whom don't have
any access to electricity.
1143
01:07:44,251 --> 01:07:46,363
Did the West think
the populations of China,
1144
01:07:46,401 --> 01:07:50,278
Africa, India, South America
and the Middle East
1145
01:07:50,317 --> 01:07:52,045
wouldn't want what we have?
1146
01:07:52,083 --> 01:07:54,464
Electricity in their homes,
cars, computers,
1147
01:07:54,502 --> 01:07:58,534
air conditioners,
modernized agriculture?
1148
01:07:58,573 --> 01:07:59,264
Or at a more basic level,
1149
01:07:59,302 --> 01:08:04,563
if your destiny is to grind
sugar cane by hand in India,
1150
01:08:04,602 --> 01:08:06,982
that destiny can be
hugely transformed
1151
01:08:07,021 --> 01:08:07,941
by an electric grinder.
1152
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:11,781
That's why poorer countries are
building electricity generation
1153
01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:13,471
as fast as they can.
1154
01:08:13,509 --> 01:08:17,118
And they're using the cheapest,
fastest, simplest technology
1155
01:08:17,156 --> 01:08:19,345
they can find.
1156
01:08:19,384 --> 01:08:20,652
Coal.
1157
01:08:20,804 --> 01:08:24,146
Can the West now seriously tell billions of people
1158
01:08:24,185 --> 01:08:29,022
they can't enjoy a
life-changing event like electricity
1159
01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:31,556
because we've already
burned up most of the carbon
1160
01:08:31,595 --> 01:08:33,400
the planet can afford?
1161
01:08:33,438 --> 01:08:36,279
Did we think these populations
would use less energy
1162
01:08:36,317 --> 01:08:37,585
than we did?
1163
01:08:37,624 --> 01:08:38,928
And the truth be fully known,
1164
01:08:38,967 --> 01:08:41,539
it's not just
electricity we need.
1165
01:08:41,578 --> 01:08:43,498
That's only a third
of the total,
1166
01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:45,111
because two-thirds
of the energy-related
1167
01:08:45,149 --> 01:08:49,679
carbon dioxide emissionsncome
from non-electric sources.
1168
01:08:50,217 --> 01:08:54,095
That is, most transportation,
including cars, trucks,
1169
01:08:54,134 --> 01:08:56,898
trains, ships, and planes.
1170
01:08:56,937 --> 01:09:01,237
Secondly, industries such
as steel, cement, and fertilizer.
1171
01:09:01,275 --> 01:09:04,770
And thirdly, the heating
of homes, offices,
1172
01:09:04,809 --> 01:09:08,110
and all buildings which are
not yet electrified.
1173
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:11,182
And just to get these sectors
off the coal, oil and gas
1174
01:09:11,221 --> 01:09:13,985
they depend on,
they need to be electrified,
1175
01:09:14,024 --> 01:09:18,133
which will enormously multiply
demand for clean electricity.
1176
01:09:18,171 --> 01:09:20,973
The resulting volume
of carbon-free electricity
1177
01:09:21,012 --> 01:09:25,159
needed over the next 30 years
is almost unimaginable.
1178
01:09:25,197 --> 01:09:28,999
It depends on several factors,
but realistic estimates range
1179
01:09:29,037 --> 01:09:34,182
from two to four times the
electricity we currently use.
1180
01:09:34,220 --> 01:09:37,791
The world is not standing
still as this is going on.
1181
01:09:37,830 --> 01:09:39,942
All these economies
are growing fast,
1182
01:09:39,980 --> 01:09:41,900
month by month, year by year.
1183
01:09:41,939 --> 01:09:45,624
We're going to need a gigantic
amount of clean electricity
1184
01:09:45,662 --> 01:09:51,115
by 2050...
two, three, maybe four times
1185
01:09:51,154 --> 01:09:52,959
all the electricity we use now.
1186
01:09:52,998 --> 01:09:57,105
And it has to be cheap enough
to out compete coal and gas.
1187
01:09:57,143 --> 01:10:00,408
And also scalable, able to
be built in large quantities
1188
01:10:00,446 --> 01:10:02,443
and at quicker speed.
1189
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:06,897
Realism dictates that
renewablesaren't going to be able
1190
01:10:06,935 --> 01:10:10,505
to bridge this energy gap.
1191
01:10:10,544 --> 01:10:13,233
And we don't have much time
till 2050
1192
01:10:13,271 --> 01:10:16,880
to switch over
an extremely large system.
1193
01:10:17,225 --> 01:10:21,526
So it becomes apparent,
for the sake of humanity,
1194
01:10:21,564 --> 01:10:26,171
that we must seriously
reconsider nuclear energy.
1195
01:10:29,589 --> 01:10:31,049
At present,
more than 400 reactors
1196
01:10:31,088 --> 01:10:35,387
are producing over 10 percent
of the world's electricity.
1197
01:10:35,771 --> 01:10:38,536
Dozens of countries
are building more right now,
1198
01:10:38,575 --> 01:10:41,070
about 50 reactors
in 16 countries,
1199
01:10:41,108 --> 01:10:44,757
notably in China,
India and Russia.
1200
01:10:44,795 --> 01:10:48,674
And another 100 are on order.
Most of these in Eurasia,
1201
01:10:48,712 --> 01:10:51,783
with its rapidly rising
electricity demand.
1202
01:10:51,822 --> 01:10:54,893
Turkey, Bangladesh
and the United Arab Emirates
1203
01:10:54,931 --> 01:10:57,197
are newcomers to the game.
1204
01:10:58,158 --> 01:10:59,962
President Xi Jinping
surprisingly,
1205
01:11:00,001 --> 01:11:03,494
suddenly announced in 2020
to the United Nations
1206
01:11:03,533 --> 01:11:06,873
that China intended to
drop its carbon emissions
1207
01:11:06,912 --> 01:11:09,792
to zero by 2060.
1208
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:12,056
This is a huge commitment.
1209
01:11:12,095 --> 01:11:13,670
But can China deliver?
1210
01:11:13,709 --> 01:11:17,395
They have 37 nuclear reactors
and are building 19 more,
1211
01:11:17,433 --> 01:11:19,852
which is faster
than anyone else.
1212
01:11:20,389 --> 01:11:24,460
They hook a new reactor to the
grid every two to three months.
1213
01:11:24,652 --> 01:11:27,032
Having adapted American,
Russian, Canadian
1214
01:11:27,071 --> 01:11:30,180
and French designs
over the years,
1215
01:11:30,219 --> 01:11:33,521
the Chinese now have
their own design,
1216
01:11:33,559 --> 01:11:34,611
the Hualong One, which took
1217
01:11:34,635 --> 01:11:38,973
about five years to build
and is now in operation.
1218
01:11:39,011 --> 01:11:41,469
These are inexpensive,
heavy workhorse reactors
1219
01:11:41,507 --> 01:11:45,578
that can be built by the tens,
maybe by the hundreds.
1220
01:11:45,616 --> 01:11:49,110
China also is building
the Linglong One,
1221
01:11:49,149 --> 01:11:50,429
a low-cost small
modular reactor,
1222
01:11:50,453 --> 01:11:55,907
called an SMR - a technology
first deployed by the Russians.
1223
01:11:55,946 --> 01:11:58,325
It's about one third the size
of the Hualong One,
1224
01:11:58,364 --> 01:12:02,818
and can be built in a factory
and either sited on land
1225
01:12:02,857 --> 01:12:07,617
or barged to locations around
the world and plugged in.
1226
01:12:10,497 --> 01:12:12,994
Whether China
standardizes and replicates
1227
01:12:13,033 --> 01:12:15,297
its big reactors or small ones,
1228
01:12:15,336 --> 01:12:19,520
it will be investing deeply
in the future of this century.
1229
01:12:19,559 --> 01:12:24,168
These reactors are to last
50 to 80 years or more.
1230
01:12:24,206 --> 01:12:27,661
There's no question the cost
of building nuclear plants,
1231
01:12:27,699 --> 01:12:30,464
though dropping, is still huge.
1232
01:12:30,503 --> 01:12:34,649
The positive side is they're
inexpensive to operate.
1233
01:12:34,687 --> 01:12:37,837
And once the pattern of building
is established successfully,
1234
01:12:37,875 --> 01:12:40,831
reactors could conceivably
be built like airliners
1235
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:46,168
or giant turbines on a
factory-scale at a central location.
1236
01:12:48,626 --> 01:12:49,969
The first fully functional SMR
1237
01:12:50,008 --> 01:12:53,465
has already been successfully
deployed in Russia
1238
01:12:53,503 --> 01:12:59,416
in a remote but important
Arctic port town, Pevek.
1239
01:12:59,453 --> 01:13:01,374
Built in the St. Petersburg
shipyards,
1240
01:13:01,412 --> 01:13:04,101
the plant was barged
to the Arctic.
1241
01:13:06,096 --> 01:13:09,552
Greenpeace called it
a nuclear Titanic,
1242
01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:13,200
but it dodged the icebergs,
arrived in a new home,
1243
01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:16,157
plugged into both the grid
and the district heating system
1244
01:13:16,196 --> 01:13:18,653
for the town's buildings,
and in 2020,
1245
01:13:18,691 --> 01:13:21,802
was powering the town
without a problem.
1246
01:13:22,876 --> 01:13:24,298
Similar to the United States,
1247
01:13:24,336 --> 01:13:27,561
Russia is operating 35 reactors,
1248
01:13:27,599 --> 01:13:32,859
accounting for almost
20 percent of its electricity.
1249
01:13:33,551 --> 01:13:34,678
But unlike the United States,
1250
01:13:34,702 --> 01:13:38,504
Russia is building a new reactor
each year to replace retirements
1251
01:13:38,542 --> 01:13:40,770
and raise the nuclear share
of electricity
1252
01:13:40,808 --> 01:13:42,958
to what they plan,
if they stick to it,
1253
01:13:42,997 --> 01:13:49,064
50 percent by mid-century
and 75 percent by century's end.
1254
01:13:49,102 --> 01:13:50,984
Russia, with 60 percent
of the market,
1255
01:13:51,022 --> 01:13:54,823
is the world's leader in
exporting larger reactors,
1256
01:13:54,861 --> 01:13:56,397
specializing in turnkey plants
1257
01:13:56,436 --> 01:13:59,545
that it designs,
builds and operates.
1258
01:13:59,777 --> 01:14:03,577
Dozens of projects are underway in India, China,
1259
01:14:03,616 --> 01:14:07,379
Bangladesh, Turkey,
and elsewhere.
1260
01:14:08,992 --> 01:14:10,835
The most ambitious
development in Russia
1261
01:14:10,873 --> 01:14:13,676
is its fast breeder reactors,
which we visited
1262
01:14:13,715 --> 01:14:17,131
close to the foot
of the Ural Mountains.
1263
01:14:19,628 --> 01:14:21,509
Beloyarsk is a unique facility.
1264
01:14:21,547 --> 01:14:26,578
It's the only industrial scale
fast reactor in the world.
1265
01:14:26,616 --> 01:14:31,186
In a conventional reactor,
uranium fuel regularly degrades,
1266
01:14:31,224 --> 01:14:34,257
whereas in a fast neutron
reactor,
1267
01:14:34,295 --> 01:14:36,407
it becomes higher
and higher grade.
1268
01:14:36,446 --> 01:14:40,670
Then you have the capability
to recycle the same fuel
1269
01:14:40,708 --> 01:14:42,474
multiple times.
1270
01:14:43,625 --> 01:14:47,427
-So we operate using the waste
from other reactor types.
1271
01:14:47,465 --> 01:14:50,653
We don't extract resources
from the earth.
1272
01:14:50,692 --> 01:14:52,342
-And why do you call it
a fast breeder?
1273
01:14:52,381 --> 01:14:56,067
-Because we breed, we produce
more fuel than we burn.
1274
01:14:56,105 --> 01:14:59,561
This is the most advanced
nuclear reactor in the world.
1275
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,019
With breeder
reactors, no one yet knows
1276
01:15:02,057 --> 01:15:05,359
if this technology will be
cheap enough to standardize
1277
01:15:05,397 --> 01:15:09,506
and be the complete
breakthrough technology.
1278
01:15:09,583 --> 01:15:14,036
Or perhaps it'll be the model
for the next stage and so on.
1279
01:15:14,075 --> 01:15:19,451
Like any science, nuclear keeps
adapting and renewing itself.
1280
01:15:20,603 --> 01:15:26,478
In 2021, Europe split into
pro- and anti-nuclear camps.
1281
01:15:26,516 --> 01:15:29,395
The United Kingdom
has begun to build again,
1282
01:15:29,434 --> 01:15:32,083
with multiple reactors planned.
1283
01:15:32,891 --> 01:15:35,462
The Netherlands, Poland,
and much of Eastern Europe
1284
01:15:35,501 --> 01:15:40,109
all intend to build new plants
in the coming decades.
1285
01:15:41,644 --> 01:15:46,175
But, with its 56 nuclear
reactors, and more promised,
1286
01:15:46,214 --> 01:15:52,204
France continues to be the
true world leader in clean energy.
1287
01:16:21,615 --> 01:16:22,384
And when they look at it,
1288
01:16:22,423 --> 01:16:24,727
they see that the end price
for corporations
1289
01:16:24,765 --> 01:16:29,026
and for households
is significantly less in France
1290
01:16:29,065 --> 01:16:31,599
than it is in all
the neighboring countries.
1291
01:16:31,638 --> 01:16:33,366
We believe that in 2050,
1292
01:16:33,404 --> 01:16:38,702
mankind has the ability
to be a net zero planet,
1293
01:16:38,741 --> 01:16:40,124
or very close to net zero,
1294
01:16:40,162 --> 01:16:43,464
in order for
global warming to stop.
1295
01:16:43,502 --> 01:16:44,808
We need global warming to stop,
1296
01:16:44,846 --> 01:16:48,494
we believe electricity
is the key success factor
1297
01:16:48,533 --> 01:16:50,798
in managing
global warming issues
1298
01:16:50,837 --> 01:16:53,640
and we believe there are
a lot of solutions
1299
01:16:53,678 --> 01:16:57,056
and nuclear is a key part
of these solutions.
1300
01:17:27,352 --> 01:17:31,000
Voila, welcome to
the swimming pool.
1301
01:17:32,535 --> 01:17:36,721
The water is hot, clear.
1302
01:18:46,835 --> 01:18:49,829
France still to
this day runs a clean grid,
1303
01:18:49,868 --> 01:18:51,788
with one-third
of the carbon emissions
1304
01:18:51,826 --> 01:18:54,936
per person of the United States.
1305
01:18:54,975 --> 01:18:57,201
Truly a major accomplishment.
1306
01:19:00,236 --> 01:19:02,693
This brings us around
to the United States,
1307
01:19:02,731 --> 01:19:04,727
still dependent on fossil fuels:
1308
01:19:04,766 --> 01:19:08,183
40 percent gas, 20 percent coal.
1309
01:19:08,414 --> 01:19:11,102
Despite tripling output
in the last decade,
1310
01:19:11,140 --> 01:19:13,329
wind power only supplies
eight percent
1311
01:19:13,367 --> 01:19:14,749
of the nation's electricity.
1312
01:19:14,787 --> 01:19:18,627
And solar power, despite its
highly-publicized fast growth,
1313
01:19:18,666 --> 01:19:21,892
generates only
two to three percent.
1314
01:19:22,083 --> 01:19:25,194
But, public support
for nuclear energy has grown,
1315
01:19:25,232 --> 01:19:28,573
in fact, to 60 percent in 2021.
1316
01:19:28,611 --> 01:19:31,376
-I was reading a book
about the Wright Brothers.
1317
01:19:31,414 --> 01:19:34,447
You know, they started
as bicycle mechanics,
1318
01:19:34,485 --> 01:19:35,676
but they wanted to fly.
1319
01:19:35,714 --> 01:19:39,284
And they kept doing it
and doing it and doing it;
1320
01:19:39,323 --> 01:19:39,823
it took forever.
1321
01:19:39,861 --> 01:19:43,432
They flew 20 feet,
30 feet, a minute.
1322
01:19:43,470 --> 01:19:46,158
It was a long haul,
eight, nine years,
1323
01:19:46,197 --> 01:19:49,652
but they did it and they were
the best fliers.
1324
01:19:49,691 --> 01:19:51,956
Well, it just shows you
that tenacity
1325
01:19:51,995 --> 01:19:54,145
in scientific matters
is crucial.
1326
01:19:54,184 --> 01:19:56,602
-And certainly, the nuclear
industry in the United States
1327
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,713
has done that as it keeps
being counted out...
1328
01:19:59,752 --> 01:20:02,209
-Counted out
for dead in the United States,
1329
01:20:02,248 --> 01:20:02,861
never in the world.
1330
01:20:02,899 --> 01:20:05,280
- That's right.
- Too good to let it die off.
1331
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:07,469
-Yeah, it's too good
to let it die off.
1332
01:20:07,507 --> 01:20:08,121
-Yeah.
1333
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:09,082
The spirit of innovation
1334
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,117
has always defined
America's character.
1335
01:20:11,155 --> 01:20:14,534
And now 50 or more new companies
have entered the energy field
1336
01:20:14,572 --> 01:20:17,913
with creative new designs
for nuclear reactors,
1337
01:20:17,951 --> 01:20:20,908
with a focus on SMRs.
1338
01:20:20,946 --> 01:20:23,058
These new reactors are small,
1339
01:20:23,097 --> 01:20:24,671
taking up a fraction
of the footprint
1340
01:20:24,710 --> 01:20:28,049
needed for traditional
nuclear power reactors.
1341
01:20:28,088 --> 01:20:30,892
They're modular, making it
possible for these designs
1342
01:20:30,930 --> 01:20:34,270
to be scaled up
and factory assembled.
1343
01:20:34,309 --> 01:20:35,384
And they're reactors,
1344
01:20:35,422 --> 01:20:39,108
utilizing the same reliable
nuclear fission technology
1345
01:20:39,146 --> 01:20:42,948
to generate heat
to produce electricity.
1346
01:20:42,986 --> 01:20:47,018
-There's two
fairly significant projects
1347
01:20:47,056 --> 01:20:51,664
that are going to be built
by the end of 2028.
1348
01:20:51,703 --> 01:20:55,504
First of all, the partnership
between Bill Gates' TerraPower
1349
01:20:55,543 --> 01:20:58,153
and General Electric/Hitachi
is called
1350
01:20:58,191 --> 01:20:59,652
the Natrium facility.
1351
01:20:59,690 --> 01:21:04,220
And it's going to heat
a set of molten salt tanks.
1352
01:21:04,259 --> 01:21:08,174
The other one of these advanced
reactor demonstration projects,
1353
01:21:08,213 --> 01:21:10,440
by a company called X Energy,
1354
01:21:10,478 --> 01:21:14,587
initially funded by an entrepreneur
from the space program.
1355
01:21:14,626 --> 01:21:16,507
So we're actually
building stuff.
1356
01:21:16,546 --> 01:21:18,312
And bigger American companies,
1357
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:21,114
like General Electric, are
also building new reactors,
1358
01:21:21,153 --> 01:21:24,571
in partnership with
Hitachi of Japan.
1359
01:21:25,146 --> 01:21:26,798
They've designed
a most promising,
1360
01:21:26,837 --> 01:21:30,061
low-cost workhorse
boiling water reactor.
1361
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:33,095
Built in a factorynand
dropped into a hole on site,
1362
01:21:33,133 --> 01:21:37,511
the SMR is scheduled
for completion by 2028.
1363
01:21:37,549 --> 01:21:39,700
And then it can be built
as a fleet.
1364
01:21:39,738 --> 01:21:43,577
There are high hopes
and demand from the utilities
1365
01:21:43,616 --> 01:21:46,995
for this potentially
breakthrough reactor.
1366
01:21:47,417 --> 01:21:48,723
-China and Russia seem to be
1367
01:21:48,761 --> 01:21:51,526
the leading explorers
in this field.
1368
01:21:51,564 --> 01:21:51,986
-Absolutely.
1369
01:21:52,024 --> 01:21:53,652
-If General Electric's got
this kind of thing
1370
01:21:53,676 --> 01:21:55,749
with the Japanese company
called Hitachi,
1371
01:21:55,787 --> 01:21:58,053
why are we not going
all out on this?
1372
01:21:58,091 --> 01:22:01,778
-Part of the problem
is that General Electric
1373
01:22:01,816 --> 01:22:08,575
is a very large company with
a very small nuclear division.
1374
01:22:08,613 --> 01:22:12,567
General Electric has a huge
business in wind turbines,
1375
01:22:12,606 --> 01:22:16,905
gas turbines and natural gas
drilling equipment.
1376
01:22:16,944 --> 01:22:20,707
Their priority is a little low
in the nuclear range.
1377
01:22:20,745 --> 01:22:23,664
So perhaps there's
an advantage to these new,
1378
01:22:23,702 --> 01:22:25,085
smaller energy companies.
1379
01:22:25,123 --> 01:22:28,310
They comprise a whole
new generation of young people
1380
01:22:28,349 --> 01:22:31,459
who are focused
primarily on nuclear.
1381
01:22:31,497 --> 01:22:32,380
And the Department of Energy
1382
01:22:32,418 --> 01:22:33,854
is working with several
of these startups
1383
01:22:33,878 --> 01:22:37,757
to build prototypes at
America's first nuclear test lab:
1384
01:22:37,795 --> 01:22:40,789
the Idaho National Laboratory.
1385
01:22:41,365 --> 01:22:44,975
Located on the outskirts
of Atomic City, Idaho,
1386
01:22:45,013 --> 01:22:49,352
and established in 1949,
this facility, known as "the Site"
1387
01:22:49,391 --> 01:22:52,231
has provided the space for
several organizations
1388
01:22:52,270 --> 01:22:54,535
to build over
50 reactors to date,
1389
01:22:54,574 --> 01:22:58,414
including Admiral Rickover's
groundbreaking engine
1390
01:22:58,452 --> 01:23:00,372
for the USS Nautilus.
1391
01:23:05,094 --> 01:23:06,593
Today, the lab is the epicenter
1392
01:23:06,631 --> 01:23:10,893
for the next generation
of reactors.
1393
01:23:10,931 --> 01:23:12,966
And you work
for the government, right?
1394
01:23:13,005 --> 01:23:13,658
-So I'm the Director of
1395
01:23:13,696 --> 01:23:15,578
the National Reactor
Innovation Center,
1396
01:23:15,616 --> 01:23:18,112
and, it's also called NRIC
for short.
1397
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:21,183
NRIC is charged with
accelerating the demonstration
1398
01:23:21,221 --> 01:23:22,501
of advanced reactor technologies
1399
01:23:22,527 --> 01:23:24,140
in partnership with
private industry.
1400
01:23:24,178 --> 01:23:26,521
-So what are we
going to do about the climate?
1401
01:23:26,559 --> 01:23:28,671
What's the best solution
in your mind?
1402
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:30,475
-I think
that it's straightforward
1403
01:23:30,513 --> 01:23:33,164
to get to the first
30 percent renewables
1404
01:23:33,202 --> 01:23:35,583
and then probably 50
and even greater.
1405
01:23:35,621 --> 01:23:36,849
- Right.
- But when we get to
1406
01:23:36,888 --> 01:23:39,806
higher levels of
deep decarbonization,
1407
01:23:39,844 --> 01:23:43,032
we really find that we need
firm low carbon resources
1408
01:23:43,070 --> 01:23:45,949
to have the most affordable
decarbonization.
1409
01:23:45,987 --> 01:23:47,408
-And that would be?
1410
01:23:47,447 --> 01:23:49,674
- Largely nuclear.
- All right.
1411
01:23:49,712 --> 01:23:52,746
-Where the United States
excels most is in innovation.
1412
01:23:52,784 --> 01:23:56,701
And the Department of Energy
has made an enormous investment
1413
01:23:56,739 --> 01:23:59,311
in advanced reactor
demonstration projects,
1414
01:23:59,350 --> 01:24:03,343
and my organization is working
closely with the companies
1415
01:24:03,382 --> 01:24:05,071
who are pursuing those designs.
1416
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:07,682
Our vision is
that we help demonstrate
1417
01:24:07,721 --> 01:24:11,407
at least two advanced reactors
by the end of 2025.
1418
01:24:11,446 --> 01:24:14,862
We need nuclear energy
to address climate change.
1419
01:24:14,901 --> 01:24:17,474
And nuclear energy is one of
1420
01:24:17,513 --> 01:24:20,008
the safest forms of energy
that we have.
1421
01:24:20,046 --> 01:24:21,966
-On Capitol Hill,
do they care about that?
1422
01:24:22,005 --> 01:24:24,193
-There is growing
bipartisan support
1423
01:24:24,232 --> 01:24:26,805
for advanced nuclear,
more so than there has been
1424
01:24:26,843 --> 01:24:28,047
for the traditional
technologies.
1425
01:24:28,071 --> 01:24:31,796
But there's a large audience
that we haven't reached yet.
1426
01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:35,290
And my view is that we need
advanced technologies
1427
01:24:35,328 --> 01:24:36,672
because if we're going to have
1428
01:24:36,711 --> 01:24:39,552
nuclear meaningfully addressing
climate change,
1429
01:24:39,591 --> 01:24:42,969
it needs to scale globally
in a really big way.
1430
01:24:43,007 --> 01:24:45,465
I mean, in the United States,
our electricity demand
1431
01:24:45,503 --> 01:24:48,959
is fairly stagnant,
but that is not true globally.
1432
01:24:48,998 --> 01:24:50,611
Globally, it's skyrocketing,
1433
01:24:50,649 --> 01:24:55,910
and we have to provide clean,
affordable energy to the world.
1434
01:24:55,948 --> 01:24:58,827
- That's a good point...
- India, China, Indonesia.
1435
01:24:58,866 --> 01:25:01,785
-Africa and the Middle East,
yeah.
1436
01:25:01,823 --> 01:25:03,550
All growing very rapidly.
1437
01:25:03,589 --> 01:25:05,470
The other thing
that we can look at is,
1438
01:25:05,509 --> 01:25:06,354
what is the alternative?
1439
01:25:06,392 --> 01:25:08,811
And if the alternative
is climate change,
1440
01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:13,342
that is a much more
serious risk.
1441
01:25:15,147 --> 01:25:17,028
We need to do nuclear
differently.
1442
01:25:17,066 --> 01:25:21,635
And this is where we're going
to build our first reactor.
1443
01:25:21,673 --> 01:25:22,764
-You're going to
build a reactor here?
1444
01:25:22,788 --> 01:25:24,146
-We're going to
build a reactor here.
1445
01:25:24,170 --> 01:25:24,900
-Do you know where?
1446
01:25:24,938 --> 01:25:27,050
-Yeah, basically out in there.
1447
01:25:28,086 --> 01:25:28,625
Pretty neat, right?
1448
01:25:28,663 --> 01:25:30,467
Because this is the first
advanced reactor
1449
01:25:30,505 --> 01:25:32,464
that's going to be
a commercial plant
1450
01:25:32,502 --> 01:25:34,192
that gets built
in the United States.
1451
01:25:34,230 --> 01:25:36,112
And it's a micro reactor,
which is different.
1452
01:25:36,150 --> 01:25:38,123
You know, it's a lot smaller
than what we have today.
1453
01:25:38,147 --> 01:25:40,603
It starts, at one and a half
megawatts electric.
1454
01:25:40,642 --> 01:25:42,754
-So that's going
to light up how many homes?
1455
01:25:42,792 --> 01:25:44,252
-Like a thousand homes.
1456
01:25:44,291 --> 01:25:44,981
-A thousand homes.
1457
01:25:45,019 --> 01:25:46,594
-Yeah, really well suited for,
1458
01:25:46,632 --> 01:25:49,205
you know, small towns,
small communities.
1459
01:25:49,243 --> 01:25:50,856
-You're going
to build a micro reactor
1460
01:25:50,895 --> 01:25:53,237
and it's going to give you
1.5 megawatts?
1461
01:25:53,275 --> 01:25:55,963
That's nothing compared to
some of the SMRs.
1462
01:25:56,001 --> 01:25:56,922
-Exactly.
1463
01:25:56,961 --> 01:25:59,073
-You know, if we start
with something so small,
1464
01:25:59,111 --> 01:26:00,839
then we can really meet
the regulations
1465
01:26:00,878 --> 01:26:03,105
but do it
efficiently and quickly.
1466
01:26:03,143 --> 01:26:04,410
A big problem with nuclear is,
1467
01:26:04,449 --> 01:26:06,599
maybe it takes a decade,
and billions of dollars.
1468
01:26:06,638 --> 01:26:09,670
We want to show that it can take
a couple of years and less money
1469
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:11,705
while still meeting
the same regulations.
1470
01:26:11,744 --> 01:26:13,971
-Is it your money,
or how does that work?
1471
01:26:14,009 --> 01:26:16,736
- We're a private funded company.
- It is our money.
1472
01:26:16,774 --> 01:26:18,848
-Can I ask you
roughly how much you've spent?
1473
01:26:18,886 --> 01:26:20,552
-Yeah, less than
10 million dollars to date.
1474
01:26:20,576 --> 01:26:22,880
-So you raised
$10 million, less than ten.
1475
01:26:22,917 --> 01:26:23,993
It's likeShark Tank.
1476
01:26:24,032 --> 01:26:24,685
-Yeah, kind of.
1477
01:26:24,723 --> 01:26:27,717
We've talked a lot about
how we're starting small.
1478
01:26:27,756 --> 01:26:29,037
So that's where
the Aurora comes in
1479
01:26:29,061 --> 01:26:29,791
at one and a half megawatts.
1480
01:26:29,829 --> 01:26:32,670
And that provides a platform
on which we can scale.
1481
01:26:32,708 --> 01:26:33,362
'Cause what's next for us
1482
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,335
is something that's on the order
of about 15 megawatts.
1483
01:26:35,359 --> 01:26:38,200
And from that we can go
all the way up to 100 or more.
1484
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:40,120
-And you would run the plant.
1485
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:40,887
-We'll run it.
1486
01:26:40,926 --> 01:26:43,460
By making it sort of
a simpler process
1487
01:26:43,499 --> 01:26:45,150
where we're selling
the power and the heat
1488
01:26:45,188 --> 01:26:48,414
and not the reactors,
that makes it easier to buy.
1489
01:26:48,452 --> 01:26:51,255
-And so the utility company,
you cut out of it.
1490
01:26:51,294 --> 01:26:51,984
How does that work?
1491
01:26:52,022 --> 01:26:53,827
-We see the utilities
mostly evolving
1492
01:26:53,866 --> 01:26:56,554
to wanting to run
distribution and transmission.
1493
01:26:56,592 --> 01:26:58,704
We act as an independent
power producer
1494
01:26:58,742 --> 01:26:59,471
and we just sell the power
1495
01:26:59,510 --> 01:27:01,200
to the local utilities
or into the market.
1496
01:27:01,238 --> 01:27:03,311
And then they can distribute it
to the customers.
1497
01:27:03,349 --> 01:27:05,692
-We're excited about how
that could allow communities
1498
01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:07,727
to basically opt in
instead of feeling like
1499
01:27:07,765 --> 01:27:10,877
a huge plant is being stuck
in their backyard.
1500
01:27:10,915 --> 01:27:13,948
-Do you sometimes feel
frustrated that you know all this,
1501
01:27:13,986 --> 01:27:16,827
and it just goes so slowly
and you're getting older?
1502
01:27:16,865 --> 01:27:17,826
- Yeah.
- Absolutely.
1503
01:27:17,865 --> 01:27:20,974
-Timescales are just so long
in nuclear, and too slow.
1504
01:27:21,012 --> 01:27:23,124
We're doing everything we can
to change that.
1505
01:27:23,163 --> 01:27:24,047
I think another way
of looking at it,
1506
01:27:24,085 --> 01:27:26,696
if nuclear was just discovered
like in the last 15 years,
1507
01:27:26,734 --> 01:27:28,592
people would have become
a lot more familiar with it
1508
01:27:28,616 --> 01:27:29,499
and comfortable
with the technology
1509
01:27:29,537 --> 01:27:31,894
because once you understand it,
people have a better sense of
1510
01:27:31,918 --> 01:27:33,953
not being afraid
and they'd see the benefits.
1511
01:27:33,992 --> 01:27:36,179
We would probably have
a thousand nuclear power plants
1512
01:27:36,218 --> 01:27:37,178
built around the world.
1513
01:27:37,216 --> 01:27:37,832
-That's a good point.
1514
01:27:37,869 --> 01:27:40,903
-One of the last public speeches
JFK even gave was saying,
1515
01:27:40,941 --> 01:27:43,705
We need to use fission
to help with conservation
1516
01:27:43,743 --> 01:27:44,359
and for clean power.
1517
01:27:44,397 --> 01:27:47,277
For various reasons, it was
overshadowed by the weapons.
1518
01:27:47,315 --> 01:27:48,775
And I think
we're looking at it anew
1519
01:27:48,813 --> 01:27:50,695
because of the imperative
of climate change.
1520
01:27:50,733 --> 01:27:53,152
-Younger people
seem more open to it.
1521
01:27:53,191 --> 01:27:54,802
-I think so.
1522
01:27:54,841 --> 01:27:55,494
-They're smarter.
1523
01:27:55,532 --> 01:27:57,182
-I think
for the younger generations,
1524
01:27:57,221 --> 01:27:58,734
climate change is more
of an imperative
1525
01:27:58,758 --> 01:28:01,099
than worrying about nuclear war.
1526
01:28:01,137 --> 01:28:01,791
-Well, Jake and Caroline,
1527
01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:04,862
I wish you all the freakin'
luck in the world!
1528
01:28:04,901 --> 01:28:07,704
- And the wind at your back!
- Thank you so much.
1529
01:28:09,393 --> 01:28:12,810
If micro reactors work
the way Jake and Caroline say,
1530
01:28:12,849 --> 01:28:17,381
the industry would gather
momentum quickly in the 2030s.
1531
01:28:17,419 --> 01:28:20,836
And it's not hard to imagine
micro reactors in the future
1532
01:28:20,874 --> 01:28:24,176
having the high-end cachet
of a nuclear battery
1533
01:28:24,215 --> 01:28:26,480
buried away in the basement
of a smart home,
1534
01:28:26,519 --> 01:28:29,245
putting out the power
to run lights, heat,
1535
01:28:29,284 --> 01:28:31,663
water purification,
as well as perhaps a small
1536
01:28:31,702 --> 01:28:35,657
hydroponic indoor farm,
all with zero emission.
1537
01:28:35,695 --> 01:28:38,422
And not much maintenance
required for 20 years,
1538
01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:43,183
after which the reactor is
replaced with a fresh battery.
1539
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:49,403
-When you have nuclear fission,
the primary output
1540
01:28:49,442 --> 01:28:51,938
- is heat, thermal energy.
- Right.
1541
01:28:51,976 --> 01:28:55,547
-We typically convert
that to electricity.
1542
01:28:55,586 --> 01:28:58,504
We could use that heat
for water purification.
1543
01:28:58,542 --> 01:29:03,303
We might look at desalination,
producing clean, potable water
1544
01:29:03,341 --> 01:29:05,607
from sea water
or brackish ground water,
1545
01:29:05,645 --> 01:29:08,217
metals refining,
fertilizer production,
1546
01:29:08,256 --> 01:29:11,674
cement production...
those require a lot of heat.
1547
01:29:11,713 --> 01:29:13,287
-And that heat
comes off our reactors,
1548
01:29:13,325 --> 01:29:15,553
for example, almost for free
because it's heat
1549
01:29:15,591 --> 01:29:17,473
that we can't convert
into electricity.
1550
01:29:17,511 --> 01:29:19,468
So instead of just
dumping it into the air,
1551
01:29:19,508 --> 01:29:21,388
we could use that
in district heating
1552
01:29:21,427 --> 01:29:22,977
or industrial heating
or different things.
1553
01:29:23,001 --> 01:29:25,611
Like, for example, heating a
campus or heating a hospital,
1554
01:29:25,650 --> 01:29:26,572
or heating a big
commercial district.
1555
01:29:26,611 --> 01:29:28,684
You could have reactors
heating the district,
1556
01:29:28,723 --> 01:29:30,157
heating that we have
in New York City,
1557
01:29:30,181 --> 01:29:31,271
and it would be
completely clean.
1558
01:29:31,295 --> 01:29:32,139
-This is where we're using
1559
01:29:32,178 --> 01:29:34,482
high temperature
steam electrolysis.
1560
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:38,859
That means simply
breaking down water molecules.
1561
01:29:38,898 --> 01:29:41,508
Hydrogen is a highly versatile
energy carrier
1562
01:29:41,546 --> 01:29:45,310
that can also be used
to produce synthetic fuels.
1563
01:29:45,348 --> 01:29:48,459
We take that hydrogen,
from a clean process,
1564
01:29:48,498 --> 01:29:50,839
and we combine that
with carbon dioxide
1565
01:29:50,878 --> 01:29:54,142
that maybe has been captured
from a fossil plant,
1566
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:57,367
an ethanol plant,
or even directly from the air,
1567
01:29:57,406 --> 01:29:59,363
and we can combine
that carbon dioxide
1568
01:29:59,401 --> 01:30:01,168
with the hydrogen to produce
1569
01:30:01,206 --> 01:30:05,584
liquid transportation fuels
that are clean burning.
1570
01:30:05,622 --> 01:30:07,120
-To fly a plane?
1571
01:30:07,158 --> 01:30:08,541
-Yes.
1572
01:30:09,309 --> 01:30:13,187
-So now we have a pathway
of using clean, non-emitting
1573
01:30:13,225 --> 01:30:17,334
nuclear energy
to produce hydrogen,
1574
01:30:17,373 --> 01:30:20,712
that goes all the way to
liquid fuels for your car,
1575
01:30:20,751 --> 01:30:25,166
for heavy transport vehicles,
for even aviation.
1576
01:30:27,623 --> 01:30:30,196
Shannon went on
to explain how hydrogen
1577
01:30:30,235 --> 01:30:34,497
is the beginning pathway
to many other solutions.
1578
01:30:37,377 --> 01:30:40,986
Scientists at the Idaho Lab a
real so working on fusion energy,
1579
01:30:41,024 --> 01:30:45,978
an even more powerful way of
harnessing energy from matter.
1580
01:30:48,435 --> 01:30:49,549
Fusion, which is created
1581
01:30:49,587 --> 01:30:52,543
when two lightweight atoms
are forced together,
1582
01:30:52,581 --> 01:30:55,616
can produce
immense amounts of energy.
1583
01:30:55,654 --> 01:30:58,725
It's the same process
that powers our sun.
1584
01:30:58,764 --> 01:31:03,333
Its fuel source, hydrogen
and lithium, are plentiful.
1585
01:31:03,372 --> 01:31:06,751
And after decades of research,
the goal is closer
1586
01:31:06,789 --> 01:31:08,825
but still elusive.
1587
01:31:08,863 --> 01:31:12,203
Several startups think they can
reach commercial-scale fusion
1588
01:31:12,241 --> 01:31:14,852
faster and smaller,
within a decade,
1589
01:31:14,891 --> 01:31:16,772
and they've raised
billions of dollars
1590
01:31:16,811 --> 01:31:18,654
in investment in 2021.
1591
01:31:18,692 --> 01:31:23,146
If humanity ever makes fusion
practical and economical,
1592
01:31:23,184 --> 01:31:25,450
it could power the world
of the future,
1593
01:31:25,488 --> 01:31:28,675
maybe even in the second half
of this century.
1594
01:31:30,979 --> 01:31:33,859
-We've done some really
fantastic development
1595
01:31:33,898 --> 01:31:34,898
here at the site.
1596
01:31:34,934 --> 01:31:36,546
-Are you moving fast enough?
1597
01:31:36,585 --> 01:31:39,965
-Oh, I think that energy
in general,
1598
01:31:40,003 --> 01:31:41,346
we need to move faster.
1599
01:31:41,385 --> 01:31:43,382
Why do we do this?
We do this for our families,
1600
01:31:43,420 --> 01:31:45,340
we do this for our kids
and those generations.
1601
01:31:45,378 --> 01:31:48,566
It's so important that we look
to our energy resources
1602
01:31:48,604 --> 01:31:50,716
and use them wisely.
1603
01:31:50,754 --> 01:31:54,632
We're leaving a legacy
and I hope it's a positive one.
1604
01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:57,627
As I left the lab, it became
clearer than ever to me
1605
01:31:57,665 --> 01:32:01,466
that to hit the needed levels
of clean energy,
1606
01:32:01,504 --> 01:32:03,808
we need to think big.
1607
01:32:05,344 --> 01:32:07,226
Among other things,
we will shortly need to
1608
01:32:07,264 --> 01:32:10,183
stamp nuclear reactors
off assembly lines
1609
01:32:10,221 --> 01:32:13,562
on the scale of
world jetliner production.
1610
01:32:14,522 --> 01:32:17,017
This would mean
creating a significant new
1611
01:32:17,055 --> 01:32:21,087
worldwide industry, redeploying
hundreds of thousands of people
1612
01:32:21,126 --> 01:32:22,777
of all skills.
1613
01:32:22,815 --> 01:32:26,079
It would mean in the
first years, 2020 to 2030,
1614
01:32:26,118 --> 01:32:28,152
building factories
around the world,
1615
01:32:28,190 --> 01:32:31,494
then scaling up in the
middle years, 2030 to 2040,
1616
01:32:31,532 --> 01:32:34,411
as electrification
takes over across the world
1617
01:32:34,450 --> 01:32:37,599
and multiplies
the demand for electricity.
1618
01:32:37,638 --> 01:32:40,402
And then going all out
with everything we have
1619
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:45,086
in the remaining years
of 2040 to 2050.
1620
01:32:46,007 --> 01:32:49,809
To do that, we need to
rekindlethe spirit of Hyman Rickover,
1621
01:32:49,847 --> 01:32:53,917
with the urgency he had
to quickly build new things.
1622
01:32:59,254 --> 01:33:02,250
And how much faster could it
go if we also imagine a world
1623
01:33:02,289 --> 01:33:05,590
where countries cooperate
to do this.
1624
01:33:05,628 --> 01:33:07,472
One partnership here on Earth,
1625
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:10,083
a United Nations
of clean energy.
1626
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,226
No question
the world is changing,
1627
01:33:16,264 --> 01:33:19,606
and far faster
than I ever imagined.
1628
01:33:20,027 --> 01:33:23,253
The future is coming.
And I thought,
1629
01:33:23,291 --> 01:33:26,440
as little as I know,
I know there's no real limit
1630
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,397
to where clean energy
can take us.
1631
01:33:29,435 --> 01:33:32,468
-But the other part of
conservation is the newer part.
1632
01:33:32,506 --> 01:33:35,234
And that is to use
science and technology
1633
01:33:35,272 --> 01:33:37,767
to achieve significant
breakthroughs
1634
01:33:37,806 --> 01:33:39,687
that we are doing today,
and in that way,
1635
01:33:39,726 --> 01:33:43,373
to conserve the resources
which, 10 or 20 or 30 years ago,
1636
01:33:43,411 --> 01:33:45,062
may have been wholly unknown.
1637
01:33:45,101 --> 01:33:49,824
So we use nuclear power
for peaceful purposes and power.
1638
01:33:53,318 --> 01:33:55,891
A formidable energy
gave birth to our planet,
1639
01:33:55,929 --> 01:33:58,732
and that energy... through
centuries of war, peace,
1640
01:33:58,770 --> 01:34:02,610
cataclysms, the price
of potatoes and stocks,
1641
01:34:02,648 --> 01:34:05,068
all the history, blunders,
tragi-comedies,
1642
01:34:05,106 --> 01:34:07,256
and the occasional triumphs...
1643
01:34:08,139 --> 01:34:11,135
that energy,
E equals M-C-squared,
1644
01:34:11,173 --> 01:34:14,705
was always there for us,
all along.
1645
01:34:14,743 --> 01:34:17,815
And it's still there,
like an inner voice,
1646
01:34:17,854 --> 01:34:20,465
our most faithful companion.
1647
01:34:21,463 --> 01:34:24,151
Why are we not using that power?
1648
01:34:24,190 --> 01:34:25,494
If this build out were to occur,
1649
01:34:25,533 --> 01:34:27,376
can we imagine a world
in which human beings
1650
01:34:27,414 --> 01:34:29,565
are not terrified
by climate change,
1651
01:34:29,603 --> 01:34:34,134
but are smart and confident
enough to solve it?
1652
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,437
Together, collectively,
we're combating viruses,
1653
01:34:37,475 --> 01:34:43,388
exploring inner worlds,
oceans, and fellow travelers.
1654
01:34:43,657 --> 01:34:45,807
We're traveling through space.
1655
01:34:45,845 --> 01:34:48,649
And for that matter,
just building bullet trains,
1656
01:34:48,687 --> 01:34:54,984
housing, deep underground
tunnels, and giant aeropolises.
1657
01:34:55,023 --> 01:34:57,865
We can do most anything
with our mind.
1658
01:34:57,903 --> 01:35:00,859
Human ingenuity, the
workings of the mind,
1659
01:35:00,897 --> 01:35:04,008
can get us out of our
climate predicament.
1660
01:35:04,046 --> 01:35:05,582
Unless we dull it with fear,
1661
01:35:05,620 --> 01:35:09,422
the mind is the most powerful
tool we know.
1662
01:35:09,460 --> 01:35:13,952
It is more imaginative than
any computer will ever be.
1663
01:35:15,411 --> 01:35:16,794
There is no force, no energy,
1664
01:35:16,832 --> 01:35:20,480
that can contain
or stop human consciousness.
1665
01:35:25,855 --> 01:35:27,852
We may have come
to a point in time
1666
01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:32,038
when Earth is asking us, "Do
you know what you're doing?"
1667
01:35:32,345 --> 01:35:35,993
And there's no going back
or forward from this moment.
1668
01:35:36,031 --> 01:35:37,836
Time stops now.
1669
01:35:38,258 --> 01:35:40,869
Or,
maybe I'm being melodramatic.
1670
01:35:41,137 --> 01:35:44,171
But I think as a race,
we're more informed
1671
01:35:44,209 --> 01:35:46,552
and conscious
than we've ever been,
1672
01:35:46,590 --> 01:35:49,125
and many of us are thinking
the same thing.
1673
01:35:49,163 --> 01:35:52,080
We're thinking
not just about ourselves,
1674
01:35:52,119 --> 01:35:54,730
but of the entire world
as we know it,
1675
01:35:54,768 --> 01:35:56,151
and how we can fix it.
1676
01:35:56,189 --> 01:35:58,071
And that's a hell of a lot
of consciousness
1677
01:35:58,109 --> 01:36:00,144
from many, many people.
1678
01:36:00,375 --> 01:36:03,523
And for that reason,
let's make something of it.
1679
01:36:04,023 --> 01:36:06,557
If we human beings
can get this right,
1680
01:36:06,596 --> 01:36:09,015
if we can create clean
electricity
1681
01:36:09,053 --> 01:36:13,929
fast enough to decarbonize
the world... and we can...
1682
01:36:13,967 --> 01:36:15,926
the effects would be incredible.
1683
01:36:15,964 --> 01:36:20,073
People would know, they would
sense the changes right away.
1684
01:36:20,111 --> 01:36:22,990
And it would energize
the world anew.
1685
01:36:24,067 --> 01:36:25,947
Imagine that.
1686
01:36:25,986 --> 01:36:29,979
Imagine that there is a
tomorrow, and it can be better.
1687
01:36:30,018 --> 01:36:33,435
If we overcome our fears
and embrace the primordial
1688
01:36:33,474 --> 01:36:36,890
star power in the nucleus
of the atom.
1689
01:36:36,929 --> 01:36:42,381
And in doing so, give
us all, all living beings,
1690
01:36:42,420 --> 01:36:44,109
what is our birthright:
1691
01:36:44,148 --> 01:36:47,527
a future
that we can look forward to.
1692
01:36:55,053 --> 01:36:56,934
We are all time travelers,
1693
01:36:56,972 --> 01:37:00,352
journeying together
into the future.
1694
01:37:01,157 --> 01:37:04,691
But let us work together
to make that future
1695
01:37:04,729 --> 01:37:06,496
a place we want to visit.
1696
01:37:06,534 --> 01:37:11,602
Be brave, be determined,
overcome the odds.
1697
01:37:12,869 --> 01:37:14,405
It can be done.
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