All language subtitles for W.2025.1080p.WEB-DL.AAC2.0.H.264-BYNDR_track4_[eng]

af Afrikaans
ak Akan
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bem Bemba
bn Bengali
bh Bihari
bs Bosnian
br Breton
bg Bulgarian
km Cambodian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
chr Cherokee
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
ee Ewe
fo Faroese
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gaa Ga
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gn Guarani
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian Download
ia Interlingua
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
rw Kinyarwanda
rn Kirundi
kg Kongo
ko Korean
kri Krio (Sierra Leone)
ku Kurdish
ckb Kurdish (Soranî)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Laothian
la Latin
lv Latvian
ln Lingala
lt Lithuanian
loz Lozi
lg Luganda
ach Luo
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mfe Mauritian Creole
mo Moldavian
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
sr-ME Montenegrin
ne Nepali
pcm Nigerian Pidgin
nso Northern Sotho
no Norwegian
nn Norwegian (Nynorsk)
oc Occitan
or Oriya
om Oromo
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt-BR Portuguese (Brazil)
pt Portuguese (Portugal)
pa Punjabi
qu Quechua
ro Romanian
rm Romansh
nyn Runyakitara
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
sh Serbo-Croatian
st Sesotho
tn Setswana
crs Seychellois Creole
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhalese
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
es-419 Spanish (Latin American)
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
tt Tatar
te Telugu
th Thai
ti Tigrinya
to Tonga
lua Tshiluba
tum Tumbuka
tr Turkish
tk Turkmen
tw Twi
ug Uighur
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
wo Wolof
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,816 --> 00:00:07,064 ♪ 2 00:00:32,221 --> 00:00:37,852 So back when you started, there were some doubts, right? 3 00:00:37,853 --> 00:00:39,327 Were there? 4 00:00:39,492 --> 00:00:40,657 I hadn’t heard. 5 00:00:40,658 --> 00:00:43,099 So that’s news to you? I know. 6 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:46,597 What would you like to say to those people who think, well, 7 00:00:46,598 --> 00:00:48,302 I like what this guy’s doing, but... 8 00:00:48,303 --> 00:00:52,108 I’ve elected people to represent me who should be doing this job? 9 00:00:52,109 --> 00:00:55,705 Everything, All the criticism that I’ve heard of what I’m doing, it 10 00:00:55,706 --> 00:00:59,676 basically boils down to, well, what about the system? 11 00:00:59,677 --> 00:01:01,612 Trust the system. 12 00:01:01,613 --> 00:01:06,024 The system wasn’t representing people. But I am. 13 00:01:08,521 --> 00:01:11,358 Daniel didn’t really have much to say about himself at first, 14 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:15,857 so it was really on the journalists in Brazil to find out who he was 15 00:01:15,858 --> 00:01:19,037 and how he came to be that way. 16 00:01:20,929 --> 00:01:22,039 There wasn’t anything about him 17 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,537 growing up that would make you think this guy’s different. 18 00:01:25,538 --> 00:01:31,082 It was comics, video games and football. 19 00:01:32,710 --> 00:01:36,449 He never talked to anybody about it, any of his friends. 20 00:01:36,450 --> 00:01:37,978 But at some point he just started, 21 00:01:37,979 --> 00:01:40,882 you know, avoiding physical activities at school. 22 00:01:40,883 --> 00:01:44,194 He said he was bored with them. 23 00:01:46,691 --> 00:01:50,793 Definitely not one of the cool kids in school. 24 00:01:50,794 --> 00:01:53,862 But he do these things when we hung out 25 00:01:53,863 --> 00:01:58,274 and I thought it was hilarious because he didn’t even care. 26 00:01:59,033 --> 00:02:00,836 He’s almost the archetype, 27 00:02:00,837 --> 00:02:04,972 the lost soul, the outsider who suddenly discovers, Hey, 28 00:02:04,973 --> 00:02:11,352 I can have control over my own life in a very big, very powerful way. 29 00:02:11,353 --> 00:02:16,754 Superhero comics and movies have given him the tools to say. 30 00:02:17,623 --> 00:02:19,262 I’m a superhero. 31 00:02:25,895 --> 00:02:28,304 Do they like you? I don’t know. 32 00:02:32,869 --> 00:02:33,968 Word also started to get out 33 00:02:33,969 --> 00:02:37,609 pretty quickly about the crime numbers the city was posting. 34 00:02:37,610 --> 00:02:40,513 and we had posted double digit declines 35 00:02:40,514 --> 00:02:43,220 that began to attract a lot of attention. 36 00:02:54,088 --> 00:02:56,056 He’s a global celebrity. 37 00:02:56,057 --> 00:02:59,400 And, you know, against like all of the good. 38 00:02:59,401 --> 00:03:01,468 he’s doing, the complaints? 39 00:03:01,469 --> 00:03:02,634 They’re less than a footnote. 40 00:03:02,635 --> 00:03:06,506 If you want to understand why he became so popular so quickly, 41 00:03:06,507 --> 00:03:09,510 all you have to do is look at his background. 42 00:03:21,357 --> 00:03:22,357 And they find out 43 00:03:22,358 --> 00:03:25,624 we’ve been living right under our noses in Nova Sao Paulo his whole life. 44 00:03:25,625 --> 00:03:30,728 But as you’d expect, it’s the story about his birth that’s unusual. 45 00:03:30,729 --> 00:03:35,029 His biological parents are from the state of Pernambuco, 46 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:37,405 and we find out they both passed away 47 00:03:37,406 --> 00:03:40,672 from something that looks like radiation poisoning. 48 00:03:40,673 --> 00:03:45,183 The father right before his birth, mother just after 49 00:03:45,678 --> 00:03:46,612 and when no family 50 00:03:46,613 --> 00:03:50,550 surfaces to take the baby, he’s placed into the foster care system. 51 00:03:50,551 --> 00:03:54,488 A family adopts him, and from what we can tell, he grows up 52 00:03:54,489 --> 00:03:57,393 normally under the circumstances. 53 00:04:16,676 --> 00:04:21,075 So we were in college by then, and one day he just stopped going to class. 54 00:04:21,076 --> 00:04:24,485 So when I texted him, he told me that he’d been thinking 55 00:04:24,486 --> 00:04:27,983 a lot about the way his mom was killed. 56 00:04:27,984 --> 00:04:32,989 I thought that was weird because he never really talked about her. 57 00:04:53,317 --> 00:04:58,079 He told me that he needed some time off and he wanted to, 58 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,116 you know, figure out who he really was. 59 00:05:19,277 --> 00:05:23,940 He’s discovering this strength, this speed, the fact that nothing seems to hurt it. 60 00:05:23,941 --> 00:05:27,174 We don’t know when he first noticed there was something different about him, 61 00:05:27,175 --> 00:05:31,982 but we do know he threw himself into figuring out what to do with it. 62 00:05:34,754 --> 00:05:39,824 it almost perfectly fits the contours of the classic superhero origin story. 63 00:05:39,825 --> 00:05:44,158 Now, if you’re somebody who doesn’t have these things, that’s a perfect fantasy. 64 00:05:44,159 --> 00:05:48,668 And that’s why superhero stories connect with so many of us. 65 00:05:48,669 --> 00:05:54,477 And now along comes someone who gets to live that story. 66 00:05:55,445 --> 00:05:57,743 So what is he thinking about? 67 00:05:57,744 --> 00:06:00,240 He’s growing up reading comic books like the rest of us. 68 00:06:00,241 --> 00:06:06,785 And what those have done is given him a sort of decoder key for reality. 69 00:06:06,786 --> 00:06:10,052 Oh, now I understand why I’m like this. 70 00:06:10,053 --> 00:06:12,252 Now I understand why I’m feeling this way. 71 00:06:12,253 --> 00:06:15,332 Now I understand what I should do. 72 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:18,566 And what is it that superheroes do? 73 00:06:18,567 --> 00:06:21,504 They fight villains. 74 00:06:38,081 --> 00:06:40,423 It was only like four years ago. 75 00:06:40,424 --> 00:06:43,889 I had been an anchor on CNE for three years. 76 00:06:46,364 --> 00:06:50,962 You start thinking you’ve seen everything, even the bus hijacking. 77 00:06:51,259 --> 00:06:53,095 So that wasn’t a surprise. 78 00:06:53,096 --> 00:06:56,703 But what happened next? That was. 79 00:06:56,704 --> 00:06:59,574 A bus hijacking in Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil. 80 00:06:59,575 --> 00:07:01,334 Coming to a surprising conclusion... 81 00:07:01,335 --> 00:07:03,446 ...a man appears to have leapt through the bus window 82 00:07:03,447 --> 00:07:08,583 at an inconceivable speed, stopping the hijacker before disappearing. 83 00:07:08,584 --> 00:07:12,389 And then the gunman just goes like flying off the bus. 84 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:15,689 And this... I guess I would call him a kid. 85 00:07:15,690 --> 00:07:18,891 This kid steps off, like totally calm, 86 00:07:20,794 --> 00:07:23,092 like he just got to his stop. 87 00:07:23,093 --> 00:07:26,469 An astonishing story out of Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil. 88 00:07:26,470 --> 00:07:29,065 It was like a scene out of a superhero movie. 89 00:07:29,066 --> 00:07:32,805 The attention of the entire world has turned to the Brazilian city 90 00:07:32,806 --> 00:07:35,710 and to the vigilante hero from last... 91 00:07:46,083 --> 00:07:49,591 The vigilante named Daniel Dias has left scientists 92 00:07:49,592 --> 00:07:53,155 in disbelief with a slew of abilities that seem more at home. 93 00:07:53,156 --> 00:07:55,091 In a comic... He can leap hundreds of meters. 94 00:07:55,092 --> 00:07:59,161 He runs faster than the speed of sound, and he’s strong enough 95 00:07:59,162 --> 00:08:01,768 to bend solid metal. 96 00:08:01,769 --> 00:08:05,476 What we don’t know about him, how he exists. 97 00:08:06,972 --> 00:08:10,271 So the day after the bus. 98 00:08:10,272 --> 00:08:16,079 After he introduced himself to the camera, he walks in as if, 99 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,820 you know, nothing happened, like... 100 00:08:22,493 --> 00:08:25,891 and, oh my God, before he even gets to the door. 101 00:08:25,892 --> 00:08:28,894 I mean, for a shy kid, this 102 00:08:28,895 --> 00:08:32,568 moment is the moment that you dream of. 103 00:08:32,569 --> 00:08:33,393 He was the hero. 104 00:08:33,394 --> 00:08:37,331 Everybody at school knew his name and not just at school. 105 00:08:37,332 --> 00:08:43,172 Now is the biggest story in the world is a comic book come to life. 106 00:08:43,173 --> 00:08:44,107 He’s a celebrity. 107 00:08:44,108 --> 00:08:47,880 Everybody wanted to be the childhood friend. 108 00:08:47,881 --> 00:08:50,410 Everyone had this one story about the one time 109 00:08:50,411 --> 00:08:56,087 they had talked and how from just that they knew how special he was. 110 00:08:56,593 --> 00:08:59,892 Definitely news to him how many friends he had. 111 00:08:59,893 --> 00:09:04,930 We know because we’ve read the same comics and seen the same movies that he has. 112 00:09:04,931 --> 00:09:10,199 That celebrity is something he must have anticipated since it began. 113 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,335 But there are different ways of interacting with the public. 114 00:09:14,336 --> 00:09:15,644 There’s the Bruce Wayne model 115 00:09:15,645 --> 00:09:18,548 where I’m a celebrity in everyday life, but nobody knows I’m Batman. 116 00:09:18,549 --> 00:09:22,145 Then there’s the Peter Parker model where I’m the totally anonymous, 117 00:09:22,146 --> 00:09:24,213 mild mannered high school student. 118 00:09:24,214 --> 00:09:25,555 Oh, there’s the Tony Stark model 119 00:09:25,556 --> 00:09:29,053 where it’s like, Hey, I am Iron Man. 120 00:09:29,054 --> 00:09:31,957 I think if you look at the world today at digital technology, 121 00:09:31,958 --> 00:09:35,730 you think I’m going to spend half my energy protecting my secret identity, 122 00:09:35,731 --> 00:09:37,490 then order 50 sets of matching long underwear 123 00:09:37,491 --> 00:09:40,196 and somebody is just going to find out who I am anyway. 124 00:09:40,197 --> 00:09:42,969 I’ll pass on the whole Bruce Wayne thing. 125 00:09:43,497 --> 00:09:45,036 As a public figure, at least 126 00:09:45,037 --> 00:09:49,040 you go into a restaurant and you get drinks on the house. 127 00:09:49,041 --> 00:09:52,077 You know, you get the perks. 128 00:10:35,087 --> 00:10:36,219 There’s this big question 129 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:40,421 What’s someone with Daniel’s ability supposed to do in the real world? 130 00:10:40,422 --> 00:10:41,455 If you want to make money, 131 00:10:41,456 --> 00:10:45,063 the first thing I think is probably I should play a professional sport. 132 00:10:45,064 --> 00:10:49,067 But as soon as there’s even a whisper of that, the International Olympic 133 00:10:49,068 --> 00:10:54,677 Committee, the players associations in every sport, even in America, 134 00:10:54,678 --> 00:10:58,142 they make it known that he’s not welcome to compete. 135 00:10:58,143 --> 00:11:01,948 So the next idea is from these American producers 136 00:11:01,949 --> 00:11:06,755 who try to sell him on the concept of a big live show, 137 00:11:06,756 --> 00:11:11,056 kind of a spectacle where he can show off his powers around the world. 138 00:11:11,057 --> 00:11:13,586 That just is like a circus act. He passes. 139 00:11:13,587 --> 00:11:18,998 Some people were even trying to attach themselves to him from all Churches, 140 00:11:18,999 --> 00:11:26,566 the ones talking about like prophecy chosen one stuff that creeps him out. 141 00:11:26,567 --> 00:11:27,710 So if you never had a 142 00:11:27,711 --> 00:11:32,044 friend turn into an object of worship, I’ll tell you right away. 143 00:11:32,045 --> 00:11:34,475 I had no idea what to tell him. 144 00:11:34,476 --> 00:11:37,478 I mean, he’s trying really hard to be the same person 145 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:41,548 he was, but his life looks nothing like it did before. 146 00:11:41,549 --> 00:11:45,762 You have people calling him a Savior, God. 147 00:11:46,224 --> 00:11:49,864 What do you tell your friend? 148 00:11:49,865 --> 00:11:52,494 I was like... 149 00:11:54,166 --> 00:11:56,201 Take the free stuff. 150 00:11:56,465 --> 00:11:59,038 You know, what would you say? 151 00:11:59,039 --> 00:12:05,308 But I think his dad was really the one reminding him, you have a gift. 152 00:12:05,309 --> 00:12:06,683 You can do things. 153 00:12:06,684 --> 00:12:09,048 Look what’s happening in the country. 154 00:12:09,049 --> 00:12:11,545 You can tell he’s kind of searching for meaning. 155 00:12:11,546 --> 00:12:15,990 And he’s thinking, What’s my way to go big? 156 00:12:16,386 --> 00:12:20,456 But in all these places, his response is. 157 00:12:21,127 --> 00:12:23,733 I don’t want to be part of that. 158 00:12:23,734 --> 00:12:26,131 So you have a superhero. 159 00:12:26,132 --> 00:12:30,102 The first thing I think is he’s got to fight crime, right? 160 00:12:30,103 --> 00:12:32,368 I think someone looked at him and figure. 161 00:12:32,369 --> 00:12:36,075 Sooner or later, this kid’s going to be busts and bad guys. 162 00:12:36,076 --> 00:12:38,176 He might as well learn what’s game’s about. 163 00:12:38,177 --> 00:12:42,246 So they let him participate in some police operations. 164 00:12:42,247 --> 00:12:45,381 You’d seen his face. He loved it. 165 00:12:45,382 --> 00:12:48,924 Everybody loved it. 166 00:12:50,651 --> 00:12:53,686 What is a superhero? 167 00:12:53,687 --> 00:12:58,064 A superhero is someone who sacrifices for us. 168 00:12:58,065 --> 00:13:01,430 Someone who can do the job alone. So we don’t have to. 169 00:13:01,431 --> 00:13:06,171 Now, you can have superhero teams, but what you don’t have is superheroes 170 00:13:06,172 --> 00:13:11,341 on teams. So every time he gets involved with an organization, 171 00:13:11,342 --> 00:13:14,444 there are these disagreements. 172 00:13:14,642 --> 00:13:16,214 He wants to do things his way. 173 00:13:16,215 --> 00:13:20,185 He feels like they’re holding him back. And he’s right. 174 00:13:20,186 --> 00:13:23,255 They are. I mean, he’s a 175 00:13:23,717 --> 00:13:26,224 he’s an unstoppable force. 176 00:13:26,225 --> 00:13:28,424 But that works both ways. 177 00:13:28,425 --> 00:13:32,769 We had started talking a lot when he was out there trying out stuff. 178 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:36,003 You know, every day would be a text. 179 00:13:36,004 --> 00:13:38,434 A meme, a video call. 180 00:13:38,435 --> 00:13:40,436 I like that he hadn’t changed. 181 00:13:40,437 --> 00:13:42,537 If anyone had a right to change, it was him. 182 00:13:42,538 --> 00:13:45,375 But he was still the same person I knew growing up. 183 00:13:45,376 --> 00:13:46,640 You know, because he genuinely believed 184 00:13:46,641 --> 00:13:49,984 that he could do the right thing and that he would do the right thing. 185 00:13:49,985 --> 00:13:55,793 He just didn’t feel this trust coming from the people making the decisions. 186 00:14:48,142 --> 00:14:51,540 That speech was when I first set up and realized this guy wasn’t 187 00:14:51,541 --> 00:14:55,445 just some celebrity out there with a couple of models in his arms. 188 00:14:55,446 --> 00:14:58,856 He was somebody you got to pay attention to. 189 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:13,463 That was it. 190 00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:15,234 One minute he was a celebrity. 191 00:15:15,235 --> 00:15:17,203 The next he was like. 192 00:15:17,204 --> 00:15:20,834 Well, no one really knew what it meant. 193 00:16:01,479 --> 00:16:04,448 I had no idea what he was going to do. 194 00:16:04,449 --> 00:16:07,187 You know, even as a kid, he was always the person 195 00:16:07,188 --> 00:16:10,388 who would take his own decisions without telling anybody. 196 00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:12,522 So this was pretty much like him. 197 00:16:12,523 --> 00:16:18,100 He also announces that he has a new name now, Warden. 198 00:16:18,463 --> 00:16:22,698 which means guardian. 199 00:16:24,601 --> 00:16:26,206 The superhero name. 200 00:16:26,207 --> 00:16:29,308 There’s always been something about violence. 201 00:16:29,309 --> 00:16:31,981 Even defensive, necessary violence 202 00:16:31,982 --> 00:16:36,183 that was recognized as so foreign to civilized life. 203 00:16:36,184 --> 00:16:38,218 The life of the town, the life of the family 204 00:16:38,219 --> 00:16:43,520 that our fighters have always had to assume a different persona. 205 00:16:43,521 --> 00:16:45,588 Whether it’s war paint or samurai masks 206 00:16:45,589 --> 00:16:49,823 or the codenames that our soldiers use when they talk to each other on the radio. 207 00:16:49,824 --> 00:16:55,302 When you’re in that world where life and death are on the line, 208 00:16:55,698 --> 00:16:59,866 you need to become someone else. 209 00:16:59,867 --> 00:17:05,982 And sometimes that someone is a truer you. 210 00:17:05,983 --> 00:17:07,115 Warden. 211 00:17:07,116 --> 00:17:08,842 Obviously, it’s an English word. 212 00:17:08,843 --> 00:17:11,449 It’s not a Portuguese word. 213 00:17:11,450 --> 00:17:13,715 Daniel had gotten to know some people, 214 00:17:13,716 --> 00:17:18,522 entertainment industry people, and they told him, you know, 215 00:17:18,523 --> 00:17:20,755 you might be working on a local level, but 216 00:17:20,756 --> 00:17:23,428 like it or not, you’re an international figure. 217 00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:27,961 You need people all over the world to hear one word 218 00:17:28,467 --> 00:17:30,600 and think of you. 219 00:17:30,601 --> 00:17:33,439 And he saw that, too. 220 00:17:34,836 --> 00:17:36,672 So Warden hits the scene. 221 00:17:36,673 --> 00:17:39,411 He’s shaking hands. He’s on patrol. 222 00:17:39,412 --> 00:17:40,676 And he quickly discovers something. 223 00:17:40,677 --> 00:17:45,450 He discovers that supervillains the "raison d’etre" to be a superhero. 224 00:17:45,451 --> 00:17:47,881 Well, we don’t really get a lot of those in a real world, 225 00:17:47,882 --> 00:17:51,951 what we do get in the real world, in the real criminal world, 226 00:17:51,952 --> 00:17:56,230 are a lot of ordinary people with an underdeveloped sense of empathy 227 00:17:56,231 --> 00:18:00,333 who are trying to find ways to to cheat, to take advantage, 228 00:18:00,334 --> 00:18:05,338 and sometimes use violence against those they perceive as targets. 229 00:18:05,339 --> 00:18:08,078 Not an evil genius masterplan, 230 00:18:08,573 --> 00:18:09,573 frankly, for that stuff. 231 00:18:09,574 --> 00:18:13,005 There’s not a whole lot that superhero can do that a normal can do. 232 00:18:13,006 --> 00:18:17,713 You know, you you learn the neighborhood, you meet the people you earn their trust. 233 00:18:17,714 --> 00:18:21,552 You develop good sources and you use data. 234 00:18:21,553 --> 00:18:22,883 That’s how you solve crimes. 235 00:18:22,884 --> 00:18:26,755 And the more crimes you solve, the more crimes you stop. 236 00:18:26,756 --> 00:18:31,331 I think his idea was more, I dare you try something on my watch. 237 00:18:31,332 --> 00:18:38,272 You always have the association of the superhero and the city with his city. 238 00:18:38,273 --> 00:18:40,736 Batman has Gotham. Superman has Metropolis. 239 00:18:40,737 --> 00:18:42,342 Green Lantern has Central City. 240 00:18:42,343 --> 00:18:45,873 Now, the comic book writers didn’t have to do that. 241 00:18:45,874 --> 00:18:48,810 It cost them just as much to draw Superman in Metropolis 242 00:18:48,811 --> 00:18:50,515 as it did to draw them on the moon. 243 00:18:50,516 --> 00:18:54,354 But there’s always been this sense that a superhero 244 00:18:54,355 --> 00:18:58,226 isn’t some distant figure watching us from Mount Olympus. 245 00:18:58,227 --> 00:19:00,955 They’re part of our community. 246 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,299 And Warden understood that. 247 00:19:45,472 --> 00:19:47,638 I worried about him in the beginning. 248 00:19:47,639 --> 00:19:49,035 You know, he was coming from a place 249 00:19:49,036 --> 00:19:52,038 where if he was in your life, it was as a celebrity. 250 00:19:52,039 --> 00:20:00,189 Like this professional lifesaver that the least controversial person imaginable. 251 00:20:00,190 --> 00:20:02,389 But how do you keep this up when your job 252 00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:07,659 is to make judgments about who’s a good guy and who’s a bad guy? 253 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:12,124 If you’re not naturally the kind of person who craves attention 254 00:20:12,125 --> 00:20:17,404 and suddenly millions of people you’ve never met have opinions about you 255 00:20:17,405 --> 00:20:20,540 being under that microscope gets to you. 256 00:20:21,277 --> 00:20:25,313 I remember he told me about the first time 257 00:20:25,314 --> 00:20:29,142 he stopped a robbery, I think it was 258 00:20:29,252 --> 00:20:33,552 at a gas station, and the guy had stolen like 60 bucks. 259 00:20:33,553 --> 00:20:38,392 So he tackled the robber and the guy starts screaming, howling, 260 00:20:38,393 --> 00:20:42,056 like making noises that you’ve never heard in your life. 261 00:20:43,662 --> 00:20:46,995 And at some point, he looks at the guy and 262 00:20:47,435 --> 00:20:50,470 he sees that the guy is not well 263 00:20:50,471 --> 00:20:53,209 and he’s not armed or anything. 264 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,872 And he was like, Is this who I’m fighting? 265 00:20:56,873 --> 00:20:59,380 So I think this was really tough for him. 266 00:20:59,381 --> 00:21:03,076 The problem was this was all legally very tenuous. 267 00:21:03,077 --> 00:21:06,013 He wasn’t the type of guy who wanted to read you your rights. 268 00:21:06,014 --> 00:21:10,556 He hadn’t been trained in the police department’s use of force standards. 269 00:21:10,557 --> 00:21:14,791 He was a superhero not some recruits with a rulebook. 270 00:21:14,792 --> 00:21:17,827 In my office, we got signals from certain judges that to them 271 00:21:17,828 --> 00:21:23,195 what one was doing was surveillance on private citizens without a warrant. 272 00:21:23,196 --> 00:21:26,166 It was an untenable situation. 273 00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:32,942 Warden had agreed to let some TV producers put a camera crew on him. 274 00:21:33,173 --> 00:21:35,174 That was how Brazilian Hero started. 275 00:21:35,175 --> 00:21:38,947 These were the people who thought up his new international name. 276 00:21:38,948 --> 00:21:41,818 So of course, they didn’t keep it in Brazil. 277 00:21:41,819 --> 00:21:48,660 Right away they packaged it as Our Hero and licensed it all around the world. 278 00:21:48,661 --> 00:21:51,058 It’s a massive hit. 279 00:21:51,059 --> 00:21:52,929 People call me a Warden. 280 00:21:53,501 --> 00:21:54,732 Ever since I was young, 281 00:21:54,733 --> 00:21:57,868 I’ve known I was a little different. 282 00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:07,481 I don’t think he loved having cameras around all the time, 283 00:22:07,482 --> 00:22:11,848 but he figured at least he could control the message. 284 00:22:11,849 --> 00:22:17,117 It also brought in a huge stream of revenue for Warden. 285 00:22:17,118 --> 00:22:23,860 It just cements him as this internationally beloved figure. 286 00:22:23,861 --> 00:22:28,634 So he’s coming in to millions of people’s homes every week, 287 00:22:28,635 --> 00:22:35,675 doing these heroic, basically magical things in front of the camera. 288 00:22:45,817 --> 00:22:49,688 Davi Lopes is the state representative that falls on that grenade 289 00:22:49,689 --> 00:22:53,219 and tries to act on some of the concerns coming from the police. 290 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:59,699 The "OAB" the Order of Attorneys of Brazil and some members of the community 291 00:23:28,321 --> 00:23:32,126 Consequences. So this is really the first time 292 00:23:32,127 --> 00:23:35,965 that anyone’s had to wrestle with this question. 293 00:23:35,966 --> 00:23:39,265 Can you apply the law to a demi god? 294 00:23:39,266 --> 00:23:44,172 Can you arrest him? How? 295 00:23:44,678 --> 00:23:48,077 What kind of laws do we need? 296 00:23:48,682 --> 00:23:53,279 If you can’t just let him do whatever he wants. 297 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,721 Can you? 298 00:23:55,722 --> 00:23:57,987 The investigation. 299 00:23:57,988 --> 00:24:01,463 I think it really just changed the way he thought about things. 300 00:24:01,464 --> 00:24:04,961 You know, he saw what he did as a community service 301 00:24:04,962 --> 00:24:07,227 that, you know, everyone’s super hero. 302 00:24:07,228 --> 00:24:11,407 And then these politicians come along and treated him as a punching bag. 303 00:24:11,408 --> 00:24:13,299 He saw it as a game to them. 304 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:17,809 So that was the first time I actually saw him get frustrated. 305 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:21,142 Well, it turned out investigating him was very unpopular. 306 00:24:21,143 --> 00:24:23,419 Warden wasn’t the guy handing speeding tickets. 307 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:27,819 People were seeing him stopping awful, violent people every single day. 308 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:31,252 And more importantly, they were seeing it on TV. 309 00:24:31,659 --> 00:24:33,825 You threatened to take that away from people. 310 00:24:33,826 --> 00:24:35,761 And, you know, you playing with fire. 311 00:24:35,762 --> 00:24:42,768 We forget the salience of the feeling of physical safety in politics. 312 00:24:42,769 --> 00:24:46,101 You know, in Brazil, people saw this reality. 313 00:24:46,102 --> 00:24:49,401 Tens of thousands of murders and rapes every year. 314 00:24:49,402 --> 00:24:53,449 And no matter who you are, your survival instincts kick in 315 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:56,716 and you think my security first. 316 00:24:56,717 --> 00:24:58,311 Other people we’ll talk about later. 317 00:24:58,312 --> 00:25:01,721 And they said to the politicians, I don’t want to hear anything 318 00:25:01,722 --> 00:25:04,725 you have to say until you fix this. 319 00:25:05,385 --> 00:25:07,353 How can you keep me safe 320 00:25:07,354 --> 00:25:10,258 in my home, in my city? 321 00:25:10,632 --> 00:25:13,601 It was a top voting issue in the country. 322 00:25:13,602 --> 00:25:15,801 And so everybody acted. 323 00:25:15,802 --> 00:25:18,573 And if you’re Brazilian and you feel like the system is 324 00:25:18,574 --> 00:25:23,809 sacrificing your safety for some abstract concept like due process, 325 00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:27,582 you get that lizard brain reaction, 326 00:25:27,583 --> 00:25:30,585 you’re making me unsafe 327 00:25:30,586 --> 00:25:33,116 and you get fed up. 328 00:25:35,723 --> 00:25:40,453 As it turns out, public opinion didn’t matter one way or the other. 329 00:25:45,194 --> 00:25:48,702 So this scandal breaks and it’s just the perfect 330 00:25:48,703 --> 00:25:53,840 stew of ingredients that get people actually interested in local news. 331 00:26:00,242 --> 00:26:02,882 He doesn’t stand a chance. 332 00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:49,862 Everybody, millions of people knew that he wasn’t happy with this investigation 333 00:26:49,863 --> 00:26:55,461 and that anything that would make Lopes’ life harder would be good for him. 334 00:26:55,462 --> 00:27:00,301 So it just took, you know, someone out there who decided they knew 335 00:27:00,302 --> 00:27:01,071 how to help. 336 00:27:01,072 --> 00:27:04,646 With Davi Lopes out of the way and his supporters silent. 337 00:27:04,647 --> 00:27:08,012 The coast was really clear for Warden to do things his way. 338 00:27:08,013 --> 00:27:10,311 The first time I thought 339 00:27:10,312 --> 00:27:12,544 maybe that feeling you’ve got to watch your back, 340 00:27:12,545 --> 00:27:17,627 that if you’re not on his side, something bad was going to happen. 341 00:27:18,793 --> 00:27:20,255 That’s what he wants. 342 00:27:20,256 --> 00:27:24,029 Maybe Warden is someone you’ve got to watch out for. 343 00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:31,838 What is the superhero way? 344 00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:33,433 To fight crime. 345 00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:35,974 And part of it’s about optics, right? 346 00:27:35,975 --> 00:27:39,274 The spectacle. Every arrest showcases 347 00:27:39,275 --> 00:27:43,443 that you’re faster, stronger, tougher than the bad guys. 348 00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:46,314 You maybe humiliate them. 349 00:27:46,315 --> 00:27:49,856 Part of the superheroes job is to be a moral force. 350 00:27:49,857 --> 00:27:54,355 You’re embodying in one person the values of an entire community, 351 00:27:54,356 --> 00:27:59,591 and you’re delivering the smackdown that community wishes 352 00:27:59,592 --> 00:28:03,672 it could give to anyone or anything that threatens it. 353 00:28:03,673 --> 00:28:07,775 You’re saying our side, the side of order and righteous violence 354 00:28:07,776 --> 00:28:11,471 beats your side, the side of disorder and unrighteous violence. 355 00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:16,652 But what the superhero way really means is no rules. 356 00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:20,480 You have the heroes sense of morality and you trust it. 357 00:28:20,481 --> 00:28:25,089 But Warden isn’t, you know, filing an arrest report. 358 00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:26,057 And he’s certainly not going 359 00:28:26,058 --> 00:28:29,424 to show up in court to testify at the trial. 360 00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:56,286 I think people celebrated Warden because they made that connection. 361 00:28:56,891 --> 00:28:59,926 They realized he is us. 362 00:28:59,927 --> 00:29:04,392 This is what we would do if we had the power. 363 00:29:04,393 --> 00:29:08,462 The question is, where does that fit into the legal system? 364 00:29:08,463 --> 00:29:13,534 So you can see how things might be on a collision course. 365 00:29:16,042 --> 00:29:18,076 I don’t know how to explain it. 366 00:29:18,077 --> 00:29:20,881 It felt like he was himself again. 367 00:29:20,882 --> 00:29:24,049 You know, everybody had this idea of who he should be 368 00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:28,185 or what he should do or wanted something from him. 369 00:29:28,186 --> 00:29:33,058 And suddenly he felt like he could define himself. 370 00:29:33,059 --> 00:29:35,556 And he came alive. 371 00:29:35,831 --> 00:29:36,930 It was an amazing combination 372 00:29:36,931 --> 00:29:41,430 of the person I grew up with and the man I was getting to know. 373 00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,201 It had to be a secret, though. 374 00:29:44,202 --> 00:29:47,568 Obviously, he wanted to protect me. 375 00:29:56,313 --> 00:29:59,150 You sense this new confidence watching him. 376 00:29:59,151 --> 00:30:02,351 You know, the sex offender gets a hot shot to his crotch, 377 00:30:02,352 --> 00:30:06,454 the dope fiend gets hauled in with drugs all around him. 378 00:30:06,455 --> 00:30:08,324 He was showing his sense of humor. 379 00:30:08,325 --> 00:30:09,798 Let the punishment fit the crime. 380 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,428 So as you’d expect, everybody on the force gave him a wide lane. 381 00:30:13,429 --> 00:30:15,397 On the one hand that it was his popularity, 382 00:30:15,398 --> 00:30:19,907 you knew you’d be shouted down even before you opened your mouth. 383 00:30:19,908 --> 00:30:22,041 But there was also this intimidation factor. 384 00:30:22,042 --> 00:30:26,848 Every time he flexed his muscles and ran someone down, he was reminding you, 385 00:30:26,849 --> 00:30:29,708 I’m stronger than you. I’m faster than you. 386 00:30:29,709 --> 00:30:31,248 Essentially, I’m unstoppable. 387 00:30:31,249 --> 00:30:33,382 And he didn’t have to open his mouth. 388 00:30:33,383 --> 00:30:34,746 Warden never felt like the best 389 00:30:34,747 --> 00:30:38,585 use of his time was chasing drug pushers or any random street criminals. 390 00:30:38,586 --> 00:30:42,160 Here in Brazil, we say that’s like trying to dry ice. 391 00:30:42,161 --> 00:30:43,194 Even when he tries going 392 00:30:43,195 --> 00:30:46,362 after organized crime, he’s hitting the corner dealers, the triggerman, 393 00:30:46,363 --> 00:30:49,299 those street level guys go down, you’ve got another five 394 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,070 replacing them in the next day. 395 00:30:51,071 --> 00:30:53,072 The fundamental problem stays. 396 00:30:53,073 --> 00:30:57,571 It’s clear Warden is starting to think if this is the best use of his abilities. 397 00:30:57,572 --> 00:31:01,982 But this time there are people around Warden who have very strong ideas 398 00:31:01,983 --> 00:31:07,252 about what problems need to be solved and they have his attention. 399 00:31:08,352 --> 00:31:09,187 Warden had these 400 00:31:09,188 --> 00:31:12,421 relationships with the Nova Sao Paulo business community. 401 00:31:12,422 --> 00:31:16,590 The idea was since Warden didn’t want to get paid by the government, 402 00:31:16,591 --> 00:31:20,792 they make donations to support his new Justice Initiative operation. 403 00:31:20,793 --> 00:31:24,268 There were a few examples where a company would bring him 404 00:31:24,269 --> 00:31:27,338 in to give a lecture to their employees. 405 00:33:15,611 --> 00:33:19,020 All of a sudden, Warden was making these huge arrests. 406 00:33:19,021 --> 00:33:23,486 Was white collar, financial crime, criminal leaders, even politicians. 407 00:33:23,487 --> 00:33:26,852 All the people that you thought were untouchable. Falling like dominoes. 408 00:33:26,853 --> 00:33:31,626 They would show up at the courthouse, essentially gift wrapped with evidence 409 00:33:31,627 --> 00:33:37,137 for the prosecutors to make their cases and cameras to get the public exciting. 410 00:33:37,138 --> 00:33:39,535 None of the evidence would hold up in court 411 00:33:39,536 --> 00:33:45,178 because it was collected extrajudicially and violated due process 412 00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:47,774 that only made Warden more popular. 413 00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:50,381 The defense lawyers weren’t happy. 414 00:33:50,382 --> 00:33:52,944 The civil liberties groups cried bloody murder. But 415 00:33:52,945 --> 00:33:58,786 when the courts had to let these criminal big shots go free on technicalities 416 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,557 that made Warden the hero 417 00:34:01,558 --> 00:34:04,263 and the legal system the villain. 418 00:34:04,264 --> 00:34:08,663 He was saying, You’ve all complained about this for years now. 419 00:34:08,664 --> 00:34:12,767 Everybody stand back whilst I do something about it. 420 00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:20,675 It’s an iron law 421 00:34:20,676 --> 00:34:23,547 in all times, in all places. 422 00:34:24,383 --> 00:34:26,747 It’s extremely unwise 423 00:34:26,748 --> 00:34:30,784 to be rich and not befriend the authorities. 424 00:34:30,785 --> 00:34:34,293 Now, whenever you have one of these anti-corruption campaigns 425 00:34:34,294 --> 00:34:38,825 led by one person, one savior who’s all about cracking down, 426 00:34:38,826 --> 00:34:39,859 all about putting that villain 427 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:43,929 or handful of villains on stage for the public to hate 428 00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:45,964 without passing laws 429 00:34:45,965 --> 00:34:50,969 that change the incentives that create the corruption in the first place. 430 00:34:50,970 --> 00:34:55,006 What you have is not an anti-corruption campaign. 431 00:34:55,007 --> 00:35:00,650 What you have is a pro your friends corruption campaign. 432 00:35:01,486 --> 00:35:05,094 Write it down. Take it to the bank. 433 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:07,953 Every time. 434 00:35:07,954 --> 00:35:08,921 You talk to him by then 435 00:35:08,922 --> 00:35:13,200 And it was millions of ideas all the time, like green speedways, 436 00:35:13,201 --> 00:35:16,500 bust these criminals disaster response system. 437 00:35:16,501 --> 00:35:19,272 He said his eyes were opening to the world. 438 00:35:19,273 --> 00:35:21,901 It was good to be with someone that cared so much. 439 00:35:21,902 --> 00:35:27,611 You know, he really thought he really believed that he could change the world. 440 00:35:28,117 --> 00:35:32,715 And the more his plans grew, the more the organization grew. 441 00:35:35,718 --> 00:35:38,852 He had the lawyers had the digital forensic team. 442 00:35:38,853 --> 00:35:41,195 He had the liaison to handle business with the city. 443 00:35:41,196 --> 00:35:46,024 He had the PR guy, all of them recommendation from his business friends, 444 00:35:46,025 --> 00:35:46,959 for what it’s worth. 445 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,303 The smart businesses started to make contributions 446 00:35:50,304 --> 00:35:52,998 to his justice initiative straight away. 447 00:35:52,999 --> 00:35:56,672 And there’s a subtext to those payments. 448 00:35:56,673 --> 00:35:57,574 It’s not settle. 449 00:35:57,575 --> 00:36:01,073 It’s maybe don’t look so closely at me. 450 00:36:14,295 --> 00:36:17,561 The buildings collapsed right at sunrise. 451 00:36:17,562 --> 00:36:20,301 I’d say that was the next phase. 452 00:36:28,276 --> 00:36:30,706 You know it was just this 453 00:36:30,707 --> 00:36:35,106 big empty eye sore that the owners wanted to replace 454 00:36:35,107 --> 00:36:37,383 with this city of tomorrow. 455 00:36:37,384 --> 00:36:41,222 And the City has just tied them up in court for years. 456 00:36:41,223 --> 00:36:43,950 citing historical preservation of the site. 457 00:36:43,951 --> 00:36:46,557 And it turns out that the owners had 458 00:36:46,558 --> 00:36:49,428 become big donors to Warden’s Justice Initiative. 459 00:36:49,429 --> 00:36:53,168 So when the buildings come down, it looks like pretty clear 460 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:57,172 that there’s one group that has a financial stake in this 461 00:36:57,173 --> 00:37:00,374 and one person who could have done it for them. 462 00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:02,133 You know, you have this 463 00:37:02,134 --> 00:37:06,104 unauthorized demolition, this explosion in a residential area. 464 00:37:06,105 --> 00:37:10,515 You’re going around the courts, around the whole legal process. 465 00:37:10,516 --> 00:37:11,714 You have people in the neighborhood 466 00:37:11,715 --> 00:37:15,421 getting sick from the chemicals this puts into the air. 467 00:37:15,422 --> 00:37:20,822 Most of us look to the State Attorney General, Romeu Filho. 468 00:37:20,823 --> 00:37:24,332 Everyone’s waiting to see what he does 469 00:37:25,927 --> 00:37:28,028 and he does nothing. 470 00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:37,806 So if you’re keeping score, the people 471 00:37:37,807 --> 00:37:42,317 who go around the law: Warden and the owners. 472 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,713 No charges against them. 473 00:37:43,714 --> 00:37:50,225 The people who call out the people who break the law, they get investigated. 474 00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:53,757 For me, that was "what the fuck" moment. 475 00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:55,461 I think anyone who reviewed the suits 476 00:37:55,462 --> 00:37:59,894 that the city filed to prevent the demolition as I had. 477 00:37:59,895 --> 00:38:02,765 Found them to be in bad faith and without merit. 478 00:38:02,766 --> 00:38:07,638 More than that, it’s important to remember that our whole legal system exists 479 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:11,246 as a channel for the people’s sense of justice and fairness. 480 00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:15,173 And when courts have thwarten what people understand to be justice, 481 00:38:15,174 --> 00:38:20,113 when they’re undermining the public’s confidence that the system works, 482 00:38:20,454 --> 00:38:22,951 then you have a problem. 483 00:39:01,396 --> 00:39:02,594 Whatis the justice system for? 484 00:39:02,595 --> 00:39:06,961 If you can imagine the tribe of early humans coming back from a mammoth hunts. 485 00:39:06,962 --> 00:39:10,932 Yeah, they discover that somebody has committed a murder. 486 00:39:10,933 --> 00:39:16,311 The entire society is rattled in its anger and vendettas and distrust, 487 00:39:16,312 --> 00:39:19,644 and you need domestic order to be restored. 488 00:39:19,645 --> 00:39:24,418 That’s what the job of the law is, to be our collective retribution. 489 00:39:24,419 --> 00:39:28,587 When you look at our system today, it’s gotten so complex and so far removed 490 00:39:28,588 --> 00:39:35,188 from that basic, original purpose that bad actors know they can exploit it. 491 00:39:35,287 --> 00:39:37,222 The demolition case. 492 00:39:37,223 --> 00:39:40,060 They were just a small example, and Warden helped people 493 00:39:40,061 --> 00:39:44,339 see how they were standing in the way of the public interest. 494 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,836 And that paved all the work we did. 495 00:39:46,837 --> 00:39:48,343 And I think that’s a great thing. 496 00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:51,544 And that was essentially the way things were going to go. 497 00:39:51,545 --> 00:39:53,073 Warden would play the wrecking ball, 498 00:39:53,074 --> 00:39:57,946 Romeu Filho would play the legal bodyguard, and their friends would play by 499 00:39:57,947 --> 00:39:59,453 their own rules. 500 00:39:59,454 --> 00:40:01,147 Now, if you’re a reasonable 501 00:40:01,148 --> 00:40:07,319 person or a reasonable business, you would look at that situation and say, 502 00:40:07,594 --> 00:40:10,090 I want to be Warden’s friend. 503 00:40:10,091 --> 00:40:13,258 You started seeing changes right away. 504 00:40:13,259 --> 00:40:16,371 There’s a wave of construction. The streets were cleaner. 505 00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:20,233 You’re talking to people. They are telling you they feel safer. 506 00:40:35,281 --> 00:40:36,985 It’s all a powerful statement. 507 00:40:36,986 --> 00:40:39,922 You know, you have one person standing 508 00:40:39,923 --> 00:40:46,567 against all the old, creaky bureaucracy and red tape and he’s winning. 509 00:40:46,732 --> 00:40:49,834 So people pay attention to that. 510 00:41:02,583 --> 00:41:03,880 Thank you and thanks, guys. 511 00:41:03,881 --> 00:41:08,115 In a very short term, we’ve had some huge changes in Sao Paulo. 512 00:41:08,116 --> 00:41:11,756 We’ve seen some landmark arrests, which I think perhaps the very best 513 00:41:11,757 --> 00:41:16,255 investigators in your country will be just a little bit jealous of you. 514 00:41:16,256 --> 00:41:20,699 Yeah. You know, hopefully most of us don’t have enemies. 515 00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:22,503 And I know I didn’t when I was younger. 516 00:41:22,504 --> 00:41:27,101 But now when you start doing things that impact a lot of people, 517 00:41:27,102 --> 00:41:29,708 the enemies you make tell you a lot about who you are. 518 00:41:29,709 --> 00:41:34,977 So back when you started, there were some doubts, right? 519 00:41:34,978 --> 00:41:38,552 Were there? I hadn’t heard. Okay. 520 00:41:38,553 --> 00:41:40,114 So that’s news to you. I know. 521 00:41:40,115 --> 00:41:42,985 At this point you’d hear things unofficially. 522 00:41:42,986 --> 00:41:48,386 Police chief gets advice to drop an investigation, journalist gets a story 523 00:41:48,387 --> 00:41:53,325 killed, a prosecutor gets reassigned, but nothing illegal. 524 00:41:53,326 --> 00:41:57,934 And nobody can come forward because they will know that somewhere 525 00:41:57,935 --> 00:42:01,971 along the chain of things that are there to stop bad things from happening. 526 00:42:01,972 --> 00:42:09,408 There’s going to be someone who’s afraid, corrupt or just plain not on their side. 527 00:42:44,014 --> 00:42:47,687 Everything. All the criticism that I’ve heard of what I’m doing, it 528 00:42:47,688 --> 00:42:51,691 basically boils down to, well, what about the system? 529 00:42:51,692 --> 00:42:53,253 Trust the system. 530 00:42:53,254 --> 00:42:57,632 The system wasn’t representing people. What I am. 531 00:43:05,134 --> 00:43:06,640 Now, at this point, 532 00:43:06,641 --> 00:43:09,104 if I’m Warden, I’m feeling pretty good. 533 00:43:09,105 --> 00:43:11,403 I got these circles of protection around me. 534 00:43:11,404 --> 00:43:16,243 So there’s the real one, which is the politicians and the businessmen 535 00:43:16,244 --> 00:43:17,442 and the courts and the press people 536 00:43:17,443 --> 00:43:19,411 who are all letting Warden make his own rules. 537 00:43:19,412 --> 00:43:24,856 Then there’s the people who’ve decided, I’m for them, I’m their champion, 538 00:43:24,857 --> 00:43:28,354 and if I’m doing something dicey, they don’t even want to hear about it. 539 00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:31,797 The feeling that Warden stoked in us. 540 00:43:31,798 --> 00:43:35,460 It was ancient. It’s been with humans since the beginning. 541 00:43:35,461 --> 00:43:39,497 He was the demigod who held the world on his shoulders. 542 00:43:39,498 --> 00:43:44,073 He was the folk hero who went around the law to deliver justice 543 00:43:44,074 --> 00:43:47,582 and stick his thumb in the eyes of the powerful people. 544 00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:51,751 Someone like that, even when they’re fundamentally different from us. 545 00:43:51,752 --> 00:43:55,217 There’s this feeling that he is us. 546 00:43:55,657 --> 00:43:57,086 His struggles are our 547 00:43:57,087 --> 00:44:00,188 struggles and his enemies are our enemies. 548 00:44:00,189 --> 00:44:04,995 You know, every day it would be the rescues, the show, the handshake, 549 00:44:04,996 --> 00:44:10,770 the strategy session next week, next quarter, next targeted, next project. 550 00:44:10,771 --> 00:44:14,103 It’s hard to compete with that. 551 00:44:14,104 --> 00:44:15,841 You know, people felt connected to him. 552 00:44:15,842 --> 00:44:19,075 So I’m going into this with my eyes wide opened. 553 00:44:19,076 --> 00:44:24,279 And I decided to ask him if we could be officially out dating. 554 00:44:24,851 --> 00:44:30,087 And next day, his team calls me into his office. 555 00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:36,323 And there’s everyone lawyers, consultants, managers. 556 00:44:36,324 --> 00:44:41,835 And they all agreed that being out dating would be the worst thing possible. 557 00:44:42,968 --> 00:44:45,806 For me, obviously 558 00:45:30,345 --> 00:45:34,084 the more the time passed, the bigger he got and the more 559 00:45:34,085 --> 00:45:41,355 the distance between the public figure and the man would disappear. 560 00:45:41,356 --> 00:45:47,768 There’s a sense in which a superhero is just another kind of celebrity, 561 00:45:47,769 --> 00:45:52,597 and what celebrities and powerful people are really good at is creating 562 00:45:52,598 --> 00:45:58,339 these hermetically sealed universes where everyone loves you. 563 00:45:58,340 --> 00:46:00,847 And all the news is good news. 564 00:46:00,848 --> 00:46:04,312 In Warden’s case, you take that celebrity bubble 565 00:46:04,313 --> 00:46:07,249 and you add years of reading about superheroes 566 00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:11,286 and their promises of power and hyper competency. 567 00:46:11,287 --> 00:46:13,926 And you’ve got someone whose life hasn’t 568 00:46:13,927 --> 00:46:17,556 exactly been primed for committed relationships. 569 00:46:17,557 --> 00:46:19,459 So how come there’s only one of you? 570 00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:23,166 I would have thought if we’d looked into your story of origin. 571 00:46:23,167 --> 00:46:27,038 We’d been cranking out at least a dozen more of you superheroes. 572 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:32,209 Yeah, well, how do you know you wouldn’t get a super villain? 573 00:46:46,795 --> 00:46:50,688 The show’s ratings were still strong and getting stronger. 574 00:46:50,689 --> 00:46:53,361 People want to know everything about him. 575 00:46:53,362 --> 00:46:56,562 You have gossip sites paying thousands of dollars 576 00:46:56,563 --> 00:47:01,402 for any whiff of information about who might be involved with Warden 577 00:47:01,403 --> 00:47:07,606 who went to lunch with him, who was seen leaving his apartment last night. 578 00:47:07,607 --> 00:47:08,706 But it was like a mirage. 579 00:47:08,707 --> 00:47:13,822 Any time you go too close to one of these stories, it would disappear. 580 00:47:14,746 --> 00:47:17,825 I never told anyone about us. 581 00:47:17,826 --> 00:47:21,455 He called it "the plan", and I was all in on it. 582 00:47:21,456 --> 00:47:22,654 It was our future. 583 00:47:22,655 --> 00:47:27,934 But most of the time, I just felt like he was gone and he was actually gone. 584 00:47:27,935 --> 00:47:30,101 Like he would disappear for days. 585 00:47:30,102 --> 00:47:34,369 And when he’d show it up again, he’d apologize and apologize. 586 00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:37,669 Say how important everything he was doing was. 587 00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:41,981 Be romantic for a day, then get back to normal and then disappear again. 588 00:47:41,982 --> 00:47:47,316 There’s a very clear difference and everybody figure it out pretty quickly. 589 00:47:47,317 --> 00:47:50,187 Investigating Warden’s personal life is okay. 590 00:47:50,188 --> 00:47:52,585 He kind of dances with you. He likes the mystery 591 00:47:52,586 --> 00:47:56,028 investigating what was going on in Warden’s professional life. 592 00:47:56,029 --> 00:48:00,659 Some of the things the city was doing, that’s when you get the threats. 593 00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:04,631 How do you silence someone in the 21st century? 594 00:48:05,137 --> 00:48:07,908 It doesn’t look like the old way. 595 00:48:07,909 --> 00:48:12,737 As humans, we hunt for patterns, we’re told, all the time. 596 00:48:12,738 --> 00:48:14,915 History repeats itself, right? 597 00:48:14,916 --> 00:48:17,918 So we’re very good at spotting 598 00:48:17,919 --> 00:48:21,922 the last threat to a free society. 599 00:48:21,923 --> 00:48:23,418 Book burnings. Canceled elections. 600 00:48:23,419 --> 00:48:27,488 Thugs marching in the street. No way. You’re not going to slip that by us. 601 00:48:27,489 --> 00:48:31,063 But then we pour all our energy into convincing people 602 00:48:31,064 --> 00:48:35,232 that what we’re seeing now is just like the last thing. 603 00:48:35,233 --> 00:48:41,910 Problem is when people realize, no, it’s not just like the last thing 604 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,307 they decide. It’s not worth worrying about. 605 00:48:44,308 --> 00:48:49,708 So what we’re not good at is spotting the next threat. 606 00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:54,284 These days, you don’t need thugs going around knocking on people’s doors. 607 00:48:54,285 --> 00:48:56,022 That’s inefficient. It’s ugly. 608 00:48:56,023 --> 00:48:57,991 You don’t need to say a word. You’re thugs. 609 00:48:57,992 --> 00:49:02,358 They don’t even have to be your thugs. 610 00:49:02,359 --> 00:49:04,393 And I’ll ask you one more question. 611 00:49:04,394 --> 00:49:06,934 Do you think about your limitations sometimes? 612 00:49:06,935 --> 00:49:10,630 Like there’s something you just can accomplish no matter how 613 00:49:10,631 --> 00:49:13,468 strong or fast you are? 614 00:49:13,469 --> 00:49:14,865 No. 615 00:49:14,866 --> 00:49:17,274 No? No. Because I’m 616 00:49:17,275 --> 00:49:22,708 the least important part of what’s happening in Nova Sao Paulo. 617 00:49:22,709 --> 00:49:25,315 It’s not about what I’ve done. 618 00:49:25,316 --> 00:49:27,988 Everything I’ve accomplished will vanish overnight. 619 00:49:27,989 --> 00:49:32,421 Without this movement, these thousands of people, 620 00:49:32,422 --> 00:49:37,096 good people who know the difference between right and wrong 621 00:49:37,097 --> 00:49:39,857 and want to fight hard to make this 622 00:49:39,858 --> 00:49:43,234 a better place for all of us to live. 623 00:49:43,235 --> 00:49:47,535 In a way, people embraced Warden for the same reason they embraced 624 00:49:47,536 --> 00:49:51,737 superheroes during other periods of high social anxiety. In the U.S, 625 00:49:51,738 --> 00:49:54,377 you had superheroes going to war for America in the 1940s, 626 00:49:54,378 --> 00:49:58,249 and then they were protecting us from nuclear weapons during the Cold War. 627 00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,349 And then we saw them deployed 628 00:49:59,350 --> 00:50:02,154 as guardians looking out for us after September the 11th. 629 00:50:02,155 --> 00:50:06,686 Now, I think during periods of declining trust in institutions 630 00:50:06,687 --> 00:50:11,526 and a sort of societal unwinding like what was happening in Brazil, 631 00:50:11,527 --> 00:50:17,302 Warden looked to a lot of people like the solution. 632 00:50:50,401 --> 00:50:56,241 It’s important to understand how police works in Brazil, there’s two types. 633 00:50:56,242 --> 00:50:58,111 The military police who are responsible 634 00:50:58,112 --> 00:51:02,973 for patrolling the streets, enforcing laws, and the civil police 635 00:51:02,974 --> 00:51:06,977 who are mostly responsible for investigating crime. 636 00:51:06,978 --> 00:51:09,980 One might catch a criminal in the act 637 00:51:09,981 --> 00:51:13,489 and take him to the other for arrest and investigation. 638 00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:19,297 So dividing the responsibilities that you might find in another country’s police department. 639 00:51:19,298 --> 00:51:25,205 But both sides answer to the state secretary of public security. 640 00:51:37,712 --> 00:51:40,120 There have been more complaints about Warden 641 00:51:40,121 --> 00:51:43,453 interfering with police work, costing them cases. 642 00:51:43,454 --> 00:51:47,688 So the Secretary of Public Security decided that he needed 643 00:51:47,689 --> 00:51:52,022 to get on the same page with Warden, and they need to get it in writing. 644 00:51:52,023 --> 00:51:57,567 So Warden’s people go, sure, here are our terms. 645 00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:10,315 His people didn’t explain it, didn’t try to convince anybody. 646 00:52:10,316 --> 00:52:14,749 It was just, here you go, take it or leave it. 647 00:52:25,397 --> 00:52:28,993 And none of that mattered when Warden wanted to get rid of him. 648 00:52:28,994 --> 00:52:34,933 If Warden was against someone, it didn’t matter what his supporters thought before. 649 00:52:34,934 --> 00:52:36,836 Suddenly everyone was in lockstep. 650 00:52:36,837 --> 00:52:39,036 It was just like with Davi Lopes. 651 00:52:39,037 --> 00:52:40,774 Warden’s concern. The concern of his team was 652 00:52:40,775 --> 00:52:44,976 that the Secretary became less interested in protecting the residents of this city 653 00:52:44,977 --> 00:52:49,486 and more interested in protecting himself and some shady interests. 654 00:52:49,487 --> 00:52:52,225 Warden’s position was that the Governor should appoint 655 00:52:52,226 --> 00:52:53,919 Michel Borba as the new Secretary. 656 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,494 Michel Borba was the head of the Cyber Crimes Unit, 657 00:52:57,495 --> 00:53:00,167 at the Warden’s Justice Initiative. 658 00:53:00,168 --> 00:53:01,234 And Warden’s 659 00:53:01,235 --> 00:53:03,434 argument, reasonably, was that 660 00:53:03,435 --> 00:53:05,667 his cybercrimes unit was pioneering the crime 661 00:53:05,668 --> 00:53:09,638 fighting technology that the police would use in the coming years. 662 00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:13,104 So why not put him in charge? It was simple. 663 00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:23,586 So now Warden is asking for a voice in the political process. 664 00:53:23,587 --> 00:53:24,752 A very large voice. 665 00:53:24,753 --> 00:53:27,117 And I can’t blame the governor for listening. 666 00:53:27,118 --> 00:53:30,659 How do you go up against the most popular personality in the world 667 00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:33,695 who, by the way, uses violence professionally? 668 00:53:33,696 --> 00:53:36,467 The newest move from Warden has raised alarm from critics 669 00:53:36,468 --> 00:53:41,374 who warn that Brazil’s justice system is bending to serve one man. 670 00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:58,049 At that point, I knew that if Warden wanted anything, 671 00:53:58,050 --> 00:53:59,623 he was going to get it. 672 00:54:18,411 --> 00:54:22,514 The 19th of June. 673 00:54:23,713 --> 00:54:26,616 Essentially the whole city coming together 674 00:54:26,617 --> 00:54:31,016 for a big party, was going to be bigger than the last carnival. 675 00:54:31,017 --> 00:54:33,987 But this was was Warden’s carnival. 676 00:54:34,757 --> 00:54:38,761 They were expecting hundreds and thousands of people. 677 00:54:41,467 --> 00:54:43,568 And then... 678 00:55:00,486 --> 00:55:04,457 I had never, ever seen him like he was that day. 679 00:55:07,592 --> 00:55:13,598 He said that he could feel himself losing control like he liked it when 680 00:55:14,027 --> 00:55:16,193 he killed that man. 681 00:55:16,194 --> 00:55:18,899 You couldn’t stop saying I did this. 682 00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:19,801 He came after me. 683 00:55:19,802 --> 00:55:23,311 He blamed himself and he said it would never happen again. 684 00:55:25,379 --> 00:55:26,907 It was a young man who several years earlier 685 00:55:26,908 --> 00:55:32,144 had been removed from the police after a series of disciplinary problems. 686 00:55:32,947 --> 00:55:37,457 He seemed to have developed some kind of obsession with Warden. 687 00:55:38,326 --> 00:55:41,889 He killed 33 people in less than 2 minutes 688 00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:45,091 before a thankfully Warden could stop him. 689 00:55:46,301 --> 00:55:49,259 Immediately, people were asking questions. 690 00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:56,200 You know, there had been murders under Warden’s watch, but this one was different. 691 00:55:56,201 --> 00:55:59,907 Mass shootings like these are not common in Brazil. 692 00:55:59,908 --> 00:56:02,943 And never on this scale and in broad daylight. 693 00:56:02,944 --> 00:56:05,177 The victims were families. 694 00:56:05,848 --> 00:56:08,455 Kids. 695 00:56:46,955 --> 00:56:50,056 There was a sense that Warden’s enemies were lurking everywhere. 696 00:56:50,057 --> 00:56:54,698 They were in corporate boardrooms, the local newsrooms, but especially 697 00:56:54,699 --> 00:57:01,903 they were in government, he was sure, and his supporters especially were sure. 698 00:57:01,904 --> 00:57:04,609 But this was their way, his enemies way of 699 00:57:04,610 --> 00:57:08,514 of shaking their confidence in him, the sense that he was protecting. 700 00:57:08,515 --> 00:57:14,179 And I’ll be honest with you, there was conspiracy theory from the other side 701 00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:17,424 that Warden had planned the attack 702 00:57:17,425 --> 00:57:18,458 as a false flag operation, 703 00:57:18,459 --> 00:57:22,892 and he would use that panic to unleash the next phase of 704 00:57:23,728 --> 00:57:26,192 whatever he wanted. 705 00:57:27,259 --> 00:57:29,436 I think a lot of the wilder claims that my office 706 00:57:29,437 --> 00:57:34,034 was giving credence to conspiracy theories and so on, even at the time, 707 00:57:34,035 --> 00:57:37,334 it was fairly clear that those claims were advanced by people 708 00:57:37,335 --> 00:57:41,206 with a political agenda who wanted to discredit the justice system. 709 00:57:41,207 --> 00:57:45,782 What I saw from the vantage of my office was a series of troubling connections. 710 00:57:45,783 --> 00:57:49,621 Now, those connections may not have amounted to anything, 711 00:57:49,622 --> 00:57:55,089 but I was obligated to pursue the truth wherever it took me. 712 00:57:56,189 --> 00:57:59,158 I don’t think he slept for a month. 713 00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,501 You know, he looked at the guy, the shooter, 714 00:58:01,502 --> 00:58:04,669 and he saw the whole system trying to defend itself. 715 00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:07,606 You know, like a disease body rejecting medicine. 716 00:58:07,607 --> 00:58:12,710 He said that he could finally understand how far they were willing to go 717 00:58:12,711 --> 00:58:16,175 and that he was going to fight back. 718 00:58:16,176 --> 00:58:17,980 Who benefits? 719 00:58:18,486 --> 00:58:19,585 Just smells funny. 720 00:58:19,586 --> 00:58:21,686 I’m just asking questions. 721 00:58:21,687 --> 00:58:23,754 Movies and TV and comic books 722 00:58:23,755 --> 00:58:29,155 have trained us for decades to look behind the scenes for the hidden hand. 723 00:58:29,156 --> 00:58:34,667 It just makes stories more interesting and it’s perfect for our brains, 724 00:58:35,195 --> 00:58:37,031 cause and effect patterns. 725 00:58:37,032 --> 00:58:42,102 If something happens, it’s because someone wanted it to happen. 726 00:58:42,103 --> 00:58:43,136 Randomness, coincidences. 727 00:58:43,137 --> 00:58:44,434 There’s nothing interesting about that. 728 00:58:44,435 --> 00:58:47,481 Oh, and if you don’t see the patterns, if you think a coincidence 729 00:58:47,482 --> 00:58:52,981 is just a coincidence, there’s an explanation for that. You’re a sheep. 730 00:58:52,982 --> 00:58:57,150 And I asked him how he felt about the whole thing. 731 00:58:57,151 --> 00:59:00,450 Did he actually think that these people were willing 732 00:59:00,451 --> 00:59:04,696 to kill women and children just to make him look bad? 733 00:59:04,697 --> 00:59:07,534 And he said, I was naive, like used to be. 734 00:59:07,535 --> 00:59:10,900 And I honestly didn’t know anything about corruption and I didn’t know 735 00:59:10,901 --> 00:59:16,543 how far people were willing to go just to, you know, stop change. 736 00:59:16,544 --> 00:59:21,549 He said that he needed to be ready to go as far as they were. 737 00:59:22,308 --> 00:59:25,344 That was a shift in him. 738 00:59:36,663 --> 00:59:38,961 The companies decided that they needed 739 00:59:38,962 --> 00:59:42,360 to signal that they were in the right side of the Warden issue. 740 00:59:42,361 --> 00:59:45,737 You saw the Warden sign in people’s profile pictures. 741 00:59:45,738 --> 00:59:48,674 You saw the resignations at different companies. 742 00:59:48,675 --> 00:59:51,579 You could feel the temperature rising. 743 01:01:30,744 --> 01:01:34,109 In these circles, there was this feeling 744 01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:38,047 that the walls were closing in on the bad guys. 745 01:01:38,048 --> 01:01:40,610 And it kept everything at this fever pitch. 746 01:01:40,611 --> 01:01:45,318 There were these incidents where teachers, middle school or high school teachers 747 01:01:45,319 --> 01:01:50,125 would say something that sounded skeptical of Warden 748 01:01:50,126 --> 01:01:53,700 or some of the actions he seemed to be endorsing. 749 01:01:53,701 --> 01:01:55,933 And some student would hear it posted on 750 01:01:55,934 --> 01:02:00,774 social media and there would be a wave of harassment. 751 01:02:01,203 --> 01:02:02,071 See, the Internet 752 01:02:02,072 --> 01:02:05,437 was the perfect hothouse for these things to grow in. 753 01:02:05,438 --> 01:02:08,682 Some of those teachers had to leave the city. 754 01:02:08,683 --> 01:02:14,051 I can tell you the city felt tense in a way I’d never experienced before. 755 01:02:14,447 --> 01:02:17,757 One day you’ll see Warden walking down, shaking hands 756 01:02:17,758 --> 01:02:21,761 and talking about how we’re all cleaning this place up. 757 01:02:21,762 --> 01:02:25,226 The next day, you’d see them fighting wildfires or rescuing people 758 01:02:25,227 --> 01:02:29,428 in mudslides, just in case you forgot what he could do to you 759 01:02:29,429 --> 01:02:33,037 if you didn’t get with the program. 760 01:02:36,601 --> 01:02:38,778 So at this time, every time you talk to him, 761 01:02:38,779 --> 01:02:43,948 it would be about his enemies, his enemies in this radio station 762 01:02:43,949 --> 01:02:48,349 or, you know, the office that’s working against him and. 763 01:02:48,756 --> 01:02:50,647 I really wanted to be on his side. 764 01:02:50,648 --> 01:02:55,388 You know, I really wanted our relationship to be something apart from all of this. 765 01:02:55,389 --> 01:02:58,391 And it was actually the point of keeping it a secret. 766 01:02:58,392 --> 01:03:00,800 But at this point, I just feel like he’s testing me. 767 01:03:00,801 --> 01:03:05,531 He’d want to see my phone. He’d want to know who I was talking to. 768 01:03:06,741 --> 01:03:07,631 And at some point 769 01:03:07,632 --> 01:03:11,041 in the streets I started noticing some people following me. 770 01:03:11,042 --> 01:03:14,672 So I went back home and I asked him 771 01:03:15,442 --> 01:03:19,512 and he said, Yes, it’s for your own safety. 772 01:03:21,789 --> 01:03:23,317 That was the limit for me. 773 01:03:23,318 --> 01:03:27,860 I told him he was turning into someone I didn’t know and that he really needed 774 01:03:27,861 --> 01:03:30,555 to think if he wanted to keep going on a path 775 01:03:30,556 --> 01:03:36,561 that was making him so unhappy in that I definitely wasn’t going with him 776 01:03:36,562 --> 01:03:40,698 and I didn’t really see myself anywhere in here. 777 01:03:40,808 --> 01:03:43,040 I always think it’s ironic that when you have a leader 778 01:03:43,041 --> 01:03:48,980 who sees plotters and coups everywhere, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. 779 01:03:48,981 --> 01:03:50,014 And the more they lash out 780 01:03:50,015 --> 01:03:53,887 at their imaginary enemies, the more real enemies they make. 781 01:04:08,066 --> 01:04:10,001 I had been talking to Davi on background 782 01:04:10,002 --> 01:04:14,632 and I told him about this conversation I had with a police officer. 783 01:04:14,633 --> 01:04:19,011 He’d gotten a call and gone to the scene. 784 01:04:20,243 --> 01:04:23,443 The suspect essentially 785 01:04:23,444 --> 01:04:27,546 it been what I would describe as tortured and killed by Warden. 786 01:04:27,547 --> 01:04:33,651 But the officer decides to investigate a little further and he realizes 787 01:04:33,652 --> 01:04:35,829 and he has the proof 788 01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:38,755 that Warden got the wrong guy. 789 01:04:38,756 --> 01:04:42,463 It tortured and killed an innocent man. 790 01:04:43,871 --> 01:04:48,370 It’s just. Beyond words. 791 01:04:49,008 --> 01:04:50,800 So the officer, you know, 792 01:04:50,801 --> 01:04:53,704 does the paperwork, files the report 793 01:04:53,705 --> 01:04:58,853 and his boss tells him to destroy all the evidence. 794 01:04:59,117 --> 01:05:00,920 So he goes to his boss. His boss and. 795 01:05:00,921 --> 01:05:06,860 And what they on this guy’s table is a photo of him shaking hands with Warden. 796 01:05:06,861 --> 01:05:12,867 So the officer takes one look at that photo and decides 797 01:05:12,966 --> 01:05:16,365 it’s clearly not safe for me to know what I know. 798 01:05:17,971 --> 01:05:19,301 So I’m going to shut up. 799 01:05:19,302 --> 01:05:22,535 It wasn’t just police officers that were starting to talk. 800 01:05:22,536 --> 01:05:27,804 It was like a handful of people in the State Attorney General’s office, 801 01:05:27,805 --> 01:05:34,383 a handful of people in the courts, a few teachers, a bunch of journalists. 802 01:05:36,121 --> 01:05:38,848 At this point, everyone is communicating separately. 803 01:05:38,849 --> 01:05:43,688 There’s this feeling of paranoia that if the wrong person 804 01:05:43,689 --> 01:05:48,198 gets wind of this, something terrible could happen to you. 805 01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:49,903 It’s called the coordination problem. 806 01:05:49,904 --> 01:05:54,534 Nobody wants to be the soldier that jumps out of a trench and gets gunned down. 807 01:05:54,535 --> 01:05:56,635 But if everybody jumps out at the same time, 808 01:05:56,636 --> 01:05:59,803 there’s a decent chance that some of them will make it to the target. 809 01:05:59,804 --> 01:06:05,116 The problem is, how do you know anybody’s going to jump out with you, 810 01:06:05,117 --> 01:06:09,550 especially when you don’t even know who else is in the trench? 811 01:06:20,198 --> 01:06:23,431 After I told Davi about this story. 812 01:06:23,432 --> 01:06:28,535 He said to me, You know, there are other people who had similar stories. 813 01:06:28,536 --> 01:06:31,109 I said, How many? 814 01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:32,947 There were a lot. 815 01:06:33,706 --> 01:06:34,640 He showed me a video, 816 01:06:34,641 --> 01:06:39,513 something the Brazilian Hero producers tried to bury. 817 01:06:39,514 --> 01:06:44,222 There’s a man and he’s taunting Warden 818 01:06:44,552 --> 01:06:49,590 and Warden just snapped. Killed him. 819 01:06:54,892 --> 01:06:58,236 I felt sick. 820 01:07:09,709 --> 01:07:13,811 So I guess you could say I’m getting used to this superhero thing. 821 01:07:13,812 --> 01:07:17,782 I’ve stopped some bad guys and helped to fix my hometown, 822 01:07:17,783 --> 01:07:20,994 and I’ve learned more about my powers. 823 01:07:20,995 --> 01:07:25,691 More importantly, I’ve gotten to connect with people. Still. 824 01:07:25,692 --> 01:07:29,794 It’s a funny thing being called a superhero all the time. 825 01:07:29,795 --> 01:07:33,436 Maybe this is the year when everything changes. 826 01:07:42,214 --> 01:07:45,645 I was in the front yard when my wife called out to me. 827 01:07:45,646 --> 01:07:47,581 Turn the news on. 828 01:07:47,582 --> 01:07:48,714 And I thought, oh, shit. 829 01:07:48,715 --> 01:07:51,684 Disturbing images emerging today from what sources 830 01:07:51,685 --> 01:07:53,917 and the prosecutor’s office in Nova, Sao Paulo 831 01:07:53,918 --> 01:07:58,857 say was an act of brutality carried out by Warden. 832 01:08:13,146 --> 01:08:18,844 Guard the skeletons in Warden’s closet, Literally and figuratively. 833 01:08:24,421 --> 01:08:28,160 I walked away that morning. 834 01:08:28,161 --> 01:08:29,524 You know, it comes to a point where 835 01:08:29,525 --> 01:08:33,198 the whole thing that you’ve constructed, something gets inside 836 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,927 and it’s just really easy to tear the whole thing down. 837 01:08:36,928 --> 01:08:40,832 He had been calling me and texting me the whole day, but I wasn’t answering. 838 01:08:40,833 --> 01:08:45,540 So he showed up at my apartment, just furious that these people for, 839 01:08:45,541 --> 01:08:50,579 you know, try and destroy him and at me for being on their side. 840 01:08:51,382 --> 01:08:55,715 And I told him I was done and he didn’t like that. 841 01:08:55,716 --> 01:09:00,456 And honestly, that was. Scary. 842 01:09:00,457 --> 01:09:03,888 He said that there were people trying to hurt me, that he was 843 01:09:03,889 --> 01:09:06,660 the only one keeping me safe 844 01:09:06,661 --> 01:09:10,863 and I wasn’t saying anything. I was done. 845 01:09:11,501 --> 01:09:13,568 So he got really quiet 846 01:09:13,569 --> 01:09:17,474 and he said, You’re not a part of this anymore. 847 01:09:17,804 --> 01:09:20,741 And then he just left. 848 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,412 Reports from Brazil that Warden has left 849 01:09:22,413 --> 01:09:26,911 Nova Sao Paulo amid a wave of explosive allegations in recent days. 850 01:09:26,912 --> 01:09:30,123 We knew immediately that this was the product of a sophisticated 851 01:09:30,124 --> 01:09:36,086 media operation and there was really no effort to hide it or hide the agenda. 852 01:09:37,362 --> 01:09:43,202 I think that people from Nova Sao Paulo saw right through it. I really do. 853 01:09:43,203 --> 01:09:46,965 But the national media has its own imperatives. Right? 854 01:09:47,372 --> 01:09:49,242 And they smell the story. 855 01:12:27,092 --> 01:12:33,405 7:14 a.m... A search warrant was issued for the Justice Initiative Building. 856 01:12:33,406 --> 01:12:37,772 At 7:20, the military police deployed its forces to 857 01:12:37,773 --> 01:12:40,677 Sao Paulo to take him into custody. 858 01:13:57,523 --> 01:14:01,152 The police had assembled their forces along a two kilometer 859 01:14:01,153 --> 01:14:05,431 perimeter around a building sort of sending a message like, 860 01:14:05,432 --> 01:14:09,227 look, we are serious, but we don’t have to do this. 861 01:14:10,899 --> 01:14:12,504 That’s when Warden showed up. 862 01:14:12,505 --> 01:14:17,609 This was the first time anybody had seen him since the story came out, 863 01:15:35,346 --> 01:15:37,083 In his mind. 864 01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:39,690 This is the ultimate battle, 865 01:15:39,691 --> 01:15:41,285 good versus evil. 866 01:15:41,286 --> 01:15:43,793 He’s defending his city. 867 01:15:43,794 --> 01:15:46,323 This is what superheroes do. 868 01:15:46,324 --> 01:15:50,800 The police basic doctrine was we acknowledge 869 01:15:50,801 --> 01:15:55,970 that any one officer, any hundred is no match for Warden. 870 01:15:55,971 --> 01:15:57,367 But he can’t be everywhere at once. 871 01:15:57,368 --> 01:16:01,107 So we’re going to advance and presume that he is not going 872 01:16:01,108 --> 01:16:06,013 to start a bloodbath with thousands of civilian lives on the line. 873 01:16:06,014 --> 01:16:09,556 And we’re going to dare him to fire the first shot. 874 01:16:10,821 --> 01:16:12,383 He accepted. 875 01:16:15,628 --> 01:16:16,661 I didn’t think 876 01:16:16,662 --> 01:16:19,532 whether it was safe from the studio. 877 01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:24,834 It was just these words repeating over and over "just get through it". 878 01:16:24,835 --> 01:16:26,198 "just get through it" 879 01:16:26,199 --> 01:16:28,970 It takes 2 hours for the Army to take the first block. 880 01:16:28,971 --> 01:16:30,939 Fighting continues to rage in Nova Sao Paulo. 881 01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:36,583 Well, after dark, the White House issuing a statement urging all sides. 882 01:16:37,276 --> 01:16:38,815 It was taking its toll. 883 01:16:38,816 --> 01:16:41,444 A big toll was police against civilians. 884 01:16:41,445 --> 01:16:45,481 Warden was doing damage but trying to avoid a body count. 885 01:16:45,482 --> 01:16:49,562 Shocking images of violence in the streets of Nova Sao Paulo as residents 886 01:16:49,563 --> 01:16:53,830 gathered as an act of protest that appears to have descended into violence. 887 01:16:53,831 --> 01:16:55,458 This brawl. 888 01:16:55,459 --> 01:16:59,034 People in masks just tearing into each other. 889 01:17:07,977 --> 01:17:09,714 As bad as it was for the police. 890 01:17:09,715 --> 01:17:12,684 They’re taking territory, they’re holding it, 891 01:17:12,685 --> 01:17:15,148 and they’re pacifying the civilian population. 892 01:17:15,149 --> 01:17:19,218 Finally that evening, they have a tight cordon around Warden’s 893 01:17:19,219 --> 01:17:23,761 building and more police units mobilizing. 894 01:17:23,762 --> 01:17:25,290 He’s surrounded. 895 01:17:25,291 --> 01:17:26,632 He’s not going anywhere. 896 01:17:26,633 --> 01:17:29,162 Now, this is the dilemma. 897 01:17:29,163 --> 01:17:31,428 There’s only one way into that building. 898 01:17:31,429 --> 01:17:36,499 And the police know that they’re not going in there without losing 899 01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,909 hundreds of troops and possibly more civilians. 900 01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:44,650 They’re not going to be able to arrest Warden. It’s a siege. 901 01:17:44,651 --> 01:17:47,951 And the plan was to see how far Warden would go. 902 01:17:53,484 --> 01:17:56,057 And now you’ve got pressure on the Governor. 903 01:17:56,058 --> 01:17:57,520 You’ve got the President calling. 904 01:17:57,521 --> 01:18:00,963 You’ve got casualties, damage in the water and power 905 01:18:00,964 --> 01:18:05,000 supplies, the possibility of unrest in other cities. 906 01:18:05,001 --> 01:18:07,464 Everything is pushing toward a fast resolution. 907 01:18:07,465 --> 01:18:13,107 And I think it occurred to a lot of people, especially around Warden, 908 01:18:13,108 --> 01:18:16,110 that times like these times of crisis 909 01:18:16,111 --> 01:18:20,378 are when you get to make the big changes to your wish list. 910 01:18:20,379 --> 01:18:21,753 Warden did his part 911 01:18:21,754 --> 01:18:25,350 and he faced those policemen, thousands of them, outside his building, 912 01:18:25,351 --> 01:18:29,552 and he made it clear that he wasn’t going to abandon his city. 913 01:18:29,553 --> 01:18:33,325 My job was to make sure that this incursion 914 01:18:33,326 --> 01:18:36,329 didn’t turn into facts on the ground. 915 01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:51,607 This was the deal. 916 01:18:51,608 --> 01:18:55,721 The state would withdraw all of its emergency forces out of the city 917 01:18:55,722 --> 01:18:59,219 and the state will allow the city to govern its affairs in accordance 918 01:18:59,220 --> 01:19:02,057 with the wishes of the people who lived here. 919 01:19:02,058 --> 01:19:04,323 That meant holding a vote, a plebiscite. 920 01:19:04,324 --> 01:19:08,624 The people from Nova Sao Paulo would decide whether to investigate Warden 921 01:19:08,625 --> 01:19:13,365 or give him the legal tools he needed to best serve the city 922 01:19:13,366 --> 01:19:14,498 and to the rest of the country. 923 01:19:14,499 --> 01:19:17,403 It was a statement We want our business, you mind yours 924 01:19:18,602 --> 01:19:22,440 and by our example we’ll show you that we’ve got the better way. 925 01:19:22,441 --> 01:19:23,441 Voters in Nova Sao Paulo 926 01:19:23,442 --> 01:19:27,676 They’ll decide whether to grant Warden sweeping new powers or leave 927 01:19:27,677 --> 01:19:29,051 the justice system intact. 928 01:19:29,052 --> 01:19:30,580 Warden has promised to abide by the result, 929 01:19:30,581 --> 01:19:36,521 even if a no vote would force him to face prosecution by the state government. 930 01:20:19,267 --> 01:20:23,402 There’s this thing that a lot of us think that the king, 931 01:20:23,403 --> 01:20:28,375 the emperor, just marches up to the throne and says, I’m in charge now. 932 01:20:28,848 --> 01:20:30,475 But that’s not true. 933 01:20:30,476 --> 01:20:31,850 That’s not how it happens. 934 01:20:31,851 --> 01:20:36,954 The first Roman emperor was given his powers one at a time 935 01:20:36,955 --> 01:20:42,355 by the Senate to save the republic. 936 01:20:42,356 --> 01:20:44,797 They didn’t even call him the emperor. 937 01:20:44,798 --> 01:20:47,426 They called him the Princeps. 938 01:20:47,427 --> 01:20:49,901 It meant first citizen. 939 01:20:49,902 --> 01:20:52,871 On the surface, it was the status quo. 940 01:20:52,872 --> 01:20:58,009 But behind the scenes, Warden had been given a state within a state, 941 01:20:58,273 --> 01:20:59,339 he could run things his way. 942 01:20:59,340 --> 01:21:02,573 Whatever that meant on any given day, and anybody who didn’t like 943 01:21:02,574 --> 01:21:05,577 could just get the hell out. 944 01:21:06,215 --> 01:21:09,317 I left as soon as the fighting stopped. 945 01:21:10,087 --> 01:21:13,518 It felt like witness protection, 946 01:21:13,519 --> 01:21:17,830 you know, new city, new home, new friends. 947 01:21:17,831 --> 01:21:21,328 And I know that if he wants to, he’ll find me or it’ll be someone 948 01:21:21,329 --> 01:21:25,630 he doesn’t even know who wants to be part of the movement. But. 949 01:21:26,565 --> 01:21:30,844 I wanted to tell the truth first. 950 01:22:12,710 --> 01:22:16,020 I have been told the execs from our parent company were flying 951 01:22:16,021 --> 01:22:21,784 in the next morning to meet with my producers , so I knew that wasn’t good. 952 01:22:21,785 --> 01:22:25,722 People were already trying to get me off the air. 953 01:22:25,723 --> 01:22:27,361 I was a liability. 954 01:22:27,362 --> 01:22:29,858 And with the meeting happening, 955 01:22:29,859 --> 01:22:35,765 I pretty much knew that night would be my last broadcast. 956 01:22:35,766 --> 01:22:37,734 They were shooting right at the messenger. 957 01:22:37,735 --> 01:22:43,410 So I received a call from my boss in the UK headquarters. 958 01:22:43,411 --> 01:22:48,514 So very polite conversation wherein I was informed 959 01:22:48,515 --> 01:22:54,058 that the owners had essentially terminated 960 01:22:54,059 --> 01:22:57,358 the whole newsroom in Brazil, effective immediately. 961 01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:03,232 You look at the news coverage since we left, I think Warden’s been pretty happy. 962 01:23:03,233 --> 01:23:07,897 Warden was about controlling the message. But look 963 01:23:08,667 --> 01:23:11,537 Yeah. What’s that line? 964 01:23:11,538 --> 01:23:14,948 Democracy is the theory that. 965 01:23:15,608 --> 01:23:17,774 People know what they want 966 01:23:17,775 --> 01:23:22,989 and deserve to get it good and hard. 967 01:23:24,782 --> 01:23:28,962 I think people. Got what they asked for. 968 01:23:34,825 --> 01:23:39,566 I was very proud of the work I done as a state attorney general. 969 01:23:39,731 --> 01:23:40,863 But after speaking with Warden, 970 01:23:40,864 --> 01:23:45,043 we came to the conclusion that I would best serve the city as Mayor. 971 01:23:45,044 --> 01:23:47,342 And fortunately, people agreed. 972 01:23:47,343 --> 01:23:52,018 And I think all the work we did speaks for itself. 973 01:23:53,184 --> 01:23:54,283 There’s no denying that. 974 01:23:54,284 --> 01:23:57,946 Nova Paulo, the city that Romeu Filho and Warden 975 01:23:57,947 --> 01:24:00,994 are building will impress you. 976 01:24:01,456 --> 01:24:04,161 It wants to impress you. 977 01:24:04,162 --> 01:24:07,131 Its skyline is its own message. 978 01:24:07,132 --> 01:24:09,562 Look at what we can do. 979 01:24:09,563 --> 01:24:13,005 It’s one part Singapore, one part Sparta. 980 01:24:13,006 --> 01:24:15,469 In this state of perpetual high alert, 981 01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:20,969 looking every day for attacks from without and traitors from within. 982 01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:24,610 There it is. He has his city. 983 01:24:24,611 --> 01:24:27,250 He enforces the law his way. 984 01:24:27,251 --> 01:24:32,651 Frankly, I think it’s the perfect expression of what a superhero is. 985 01:24:32,652 --> 01:24:35,489 A lot of it, you’ll recognize, looks the same. 986 01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:37,920 But there’s an iron curtain. 987 01:24:37,921 --> 01:24:42,529 You don’t get a lot of news that’s real. You get rumors. 988 01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:46,698 Now, Warden is doing less and less public appearances. 989 01:24:46,699 --> 01:24:48,865 He is spending more time alone. 990 01:24:48,866 --> 01:24:52,209 He’s angrier. He’s paranoid. 991 01:24:52,210 --> 01:24:54,574 He sees enemies and rats everywhere. 992 01:24:54,575 --> 01:24:57,874 Ever since people came forward about him. 993 01:24:57,875 --> 01:25:01,383 Now, if you live in Nova Sao Paulo, 994 01:25:01,384 --> 01:25:04,881 you’re going to think twice before criticizing Warden. 995 01:25:04,882 --> 01:25:06,751 And if you read anything about the city, 996 01:25:06,752 --> 01:25:09,820 it’s because Warden allowed it to be published. 997 01:25:09,821 --> 01:25:14,528 Anything else gets branded a conspiracy theory and shouted down. 998 01:25:14,529 --> 01:25:18,565 So the truth is getting murkier and murkier, 999 01:25:18,566 --> 01:25:24,506 and the collective sense of reality is slipping away. 1000 01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:06,910 You hear his obsessed with his legacy. 1001 01:26:06,911 --> 01:26:10,287 He needs to know what comes after him. 1002 01:26:10,288 --> 01:26:11,420 You hear about researchers. 1003 01:26:11,421 --> 01:26:17,019 He has them doing experiments trying to duplicate whatever made him 1004 01:26:17,020 --> 01:26:19,494 everything he swore not to do. 1005 01:26:19,495 --> 01:26:25,797 Criminals. Suspects disappear, but 1006 01:26:25,798 --> 01:26:30,638 We don’t know that. Romeu Filho keeps it under guard 1007 01:26:31,342 --> 01:26:33,640 the new way can’t be wrong. 1008 01:26:33,641 --> 01:26:35,279 It’s still too much to gain for the winners. 1009 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,449 So the message from everyone every day, business, news 1010 01:26:40,450 --> 01:26:42,286 is that the city is thriving. 1011 01:26:42,287 --> 01:26:44,585 The city is safe. 1012 01:26:44,586 --> 01:26:46,257 The city is defying its critics. 1013 01:26:46,258 --> 01:26:50,195 It’s silenced the doubts. It’s kicked out the traitors. 1014 01:26:50,196 --> 01:26:52,197 It’s found a better way. 1015 01:26:52,198 --> 01:26:53,991 It has its Warden. 1016 01:26:54,794 --> 01:26:58,303 And now the real work can begin. 90404

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.