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(light dramatic music)
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(car engine rumbling)
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- [Radio Announcer] Radio
One News at 10 o'clock
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with Michael Murphy.
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- [Michael] Good morning, Gardai
County Louth have recovered
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the body of a man
believed to be murdered
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by the IRA more
than 20 years ago.
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They body is thought
to be the first
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of a number of the
so-called Disappeared
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whose whereabouts the IRA
is preparing to disclose.
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The man's remains were in
a coffin that was found
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about seven o'clock this morning
at Old Faughart Graveyard,
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about four miles
north of Dundalk.
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The coffin is thought
to have been taken there
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from another location
during the night.
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Gardai haven't yet formally
identified the victim.
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(dramatic music)
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(phone ringing)
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(dramatic music)
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(woman panting)
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(light dramatic music)
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- [Ed] Let's start talking
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about your family history
and republican background.
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Tell me about your
mother, your father,
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your aunts and the sort
of Republican influences
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that came up as you
were growing up?
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- I come from a strong, very
staunch Republican background
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on both sides.
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On my father's side, I
had a very religious aunt
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who would have said,
for God and Ireland.
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On my mother's side, Ireland
came first, came before God.
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In 1939 when the IRA very
grandly declared war on England
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my father and some of
his comrades went over
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as the expeditionary force
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to wage war on the
Imperial master.
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- [Announcer] A scene of
havoc in Broadgate, Coventry.
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The crowded thoroughfare was
suddenly plunged into turmoil
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and confusion as a
violent explosion
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swept bystanders off their feet.
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Five people were killed
and nearly 60 injured.
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The cause is attributed
again to IRA agents.
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- My father's two
mates were arrested
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and they actually didn't
have anything to do
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with that particular operation
but they were convicted
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and executed for it.
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So as children growing
up that's the kind of
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bedtime story we would hear.
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We wouldn't hear Little Red
Riding Hood, we would hear
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they hanged my mate Jimmy.
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As children, we looked
forward to these nights
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when he'd gather us round
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and tell us about
his time in prison
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- The time was fast
approaching, a lad lay sentenced
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for to die and on
the 2nd of September
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he meets his God on high.
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Now he's walking
to the scaffold,
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head erect he shows no fear,
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for on his proud and
gallant shoulders,
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Ireland's cross
he holds so dear.
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Now the cruel blow is fallen,
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for Ireland he has
fought and died,
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and we the countrymen
who bore him,
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will love and honor
him with pride.
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Brave Tom Williams we salute
you, and we never will forget,
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those who planned
your cruel murder,
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we vow to make them all regret.
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So come all you Irish rebels,
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if from the path
you chance to stray,
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bear in the memory of the morn,
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when Ireland's cross
was proudly borne,
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but a lad who lay within
these prison walls.
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- My father spent
seven years altogether
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interned in different prisons
but he never was charged.
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He often said, I blew
them up before you did,
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the only thing was
I didn't get caught.
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We had the great honor of
having had three generations
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of women in my family
spend time in Armagh Gaol.
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We would have, as
children, been aware
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that my aunts had a
dedication to the prisoners,
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create parcels for them
on special occasions
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which, as children, we
were always very envious of
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and I think it made
me begin to think
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prison wasn't all that
bad a place to be.
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You got these cakes
and bars of chocolate
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and you got all sorts
of wonderful stuff
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if you were in prison.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Terence] Here in
Ulster, the Union Jack
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is the flag of freedom
and my task, my duty,
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my resolve are to keep it
hoisted at the top of the mast,
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here in our beloved Ulster.
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(crowd applauds)
(dramatic music)
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- The Catholic population
in my growing up time
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were very down-trodden people,
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and very accepting of their
second-class citizenship.
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Whereas we, as Republicans had
a kind of strange arrogance,
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because we believed that
we were the possessors
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of the truth, the absolute
truth about how the island
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should be run and we
believed ourselves
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to be the custodians
of the men of 1916,
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and we, in many ways
regarded ourselves as elite.
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We were a very angry
people actually
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the runt of Republicans that
were left behind in Belfast
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because we always
regarded the fact
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that when they signed
away the 6 counties,
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they actually signed us away.
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(upbeat music)
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♪ Hear it, hear it,
hear my heartbeat ♪
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- Dolours be a good girl,
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your aunt Bridie's
ready for tea now.
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♪ Pounding, pounding
like a drum ♪
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♪ Louder, louder,
goes my heartbeat ♪
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♪ As nearer, and nearer,
and nearer you come ♪
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♪ So hurry, hurry,
says my heartbeat ♪
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♪ Take me, touch
me, make me thrill ♪
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♪ Faster, faster,
goes my heartbeat ♪
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♪ I try but I cant
keep it still ♪
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- My aunt Bridie was
an inspiration to us.
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Bridie was a living martyr
and as children growing up
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we were always
very aware of this,
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of the enormous sacrifice
that she had made
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because of her part
in the struggle.
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In 1938, she went
to lift an arms dump
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and the volunteer who
was to lift the dump,
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and she was to be his
escort, didn't turn up.
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She decided herself
that she would lift
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the arms dump and she did.
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(dramatic music)
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It exploded on her and
her hands were blown off,
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her eyes were blown out and
she was very badly mutilated
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and she looked like that
for the rest of her life.
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She was 25 and my grandmother
put the house into mourning,
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the girls weren't
allowed to go dancing,
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it was like having a wake
but with a living body.
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She was a smoker and as
children once you got to be
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eight or nine you had to be
able to hold the cigarette
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for her and put it to her
mouth and take it away
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and I hated the job, I thought
it was the most awful job,
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I couldn't stand it, but I
did it because it was Bridie.
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The fact that she was in
the state that she was in
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and the condition she was
in obliged me in some way
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to continue the struggle because
it validated her sacrifice
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and to have ignored the
struggle would have been
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to make her sacrifice
futile, useless.
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(dramatic music)
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I went in one day and I could
see these great big tears
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rolling down her cheeks
and I went to my mother
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and I said, Mummy, how
can my Aunt Bridie cry
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when she has no eyes?
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And my mother burst into tears
and said, "My poor sister",
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and it was really a very,
very touching, touching moment
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and as a child I can
remember her how much pain
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actually there was in
that family that they hid,
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that was concealed
by this strength,
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this Republican strength
that they maintained.
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As a family they didn't cry.
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We were too strong to cry and
to cry was a sign of weakness.
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♪ We shall overcome we
shall overcome, some day ♪
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- I would have still been
a sixth-former at school,
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doing my A-levels and
we would go regularly
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to the student meetings
and we would take part
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in the debates and
the discussions as
to what we could do,
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to bring about civil
rights, one man one vote,
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one family one house
and all of the slogans
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that we had gathered,
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because I had often
debated with my father,
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that this is the way that it
would change and he would say,
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oh, you'll learn, you'll
learn as you grow up,
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and I'd say, no I have
learnt, I've learnt that
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you didn't win the war,
you fought the war in 1940,
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yous didn't win, this way
we can change the system.
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(crowd chanting in
foreign language)
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♪ We shall overcome some day ♪
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♪ For deep in my heart ♪
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(people screaming)
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- Please, God save us. (screams)
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(crowd shouting)
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- [Dolours] October 5th
happened, the RUC were seen
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in their true light as being
a very sectarian police force.
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Things were becoming
more polarized.
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I think as Republicans we
began to see a glimmer of light
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that there could be a change.
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♪ We shall overcome ♪
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♪ We shall overcome some day ♪
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- [Dolours] We had long
debates about the only way
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to change the system was
to unite the Protestant
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and the Catholic working class
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against the Imperialist system.
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- Well I think it's been
very successful so far,
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we've had a very good turnout.
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Now we've had some
difficulties along the route
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and there have been times
we've been prevented
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from going through,
we don't like that,
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but we feel that that
demonstrates the fact
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that in Northern Ireland
we have a situation
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like the Southern States of
America where you do not have
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the basic democratic
liberty of free procession.
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- This march flew
its proper flag
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into an outlawed
Republican club banner
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and this unmasked this march
as nothing what-so-ever
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to do with civil rights but
simply an outlawed rebel march.
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- [Dolours] We were marching
along to Derry being stopped
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at every Protestant town
and being turned back
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and re-routed and eventually
ending up at Burntollet Bridge.
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We did get a kind of warning
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that it wasn't
going to be peaceful
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or be allowed to be peaceful.
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- There is a good
possibility that some stones
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may be thrown, some
people may be hurt.
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- [Dolours] The gathered
Loyalists stockpiled stones
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to throw at us and they had
their cudgels with nails in them
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and they had all their weaponry.
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Clearly the police saw them
there and the police led us
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into the trap.
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We were massively decimated.
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- We had to get into the
water, and they came after us,
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we tried to go up the back
field to get away from them,
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they surrounded us in the back,
we were stuck in the water,
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we waded in and out of the
water for half a dozen times
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up to our waists, and
they all battered us
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and they took a fella
singly and they battered him
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and then they came for another
fella and they battered them,
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and not one policeman in
sight opened the gates, jeez!
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- It was at that point I
think, I looked into the eyes
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of some of these people
who were beating us,
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and they were glazed over
with some kind of hate,
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and I thought to
myself I thought, no,
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that person is never going to
want to walk alongside of me.
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I'm never gonna
convert those people.
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(soft dramatic music)
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It changed me entirely.
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It brought me back round
towards Republicanism.
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The Northern state was rotten.
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Change wouldn't be brought
about by us marching
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up and down the road or being
hammered into the ground.
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(crowd shouting)
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(explosions booming)
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(fire roaring)
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My Aunt Kathleen was
burnt out of Dover Street,
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my Aunt Evelyn was burnt
out of Percy Street.
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The B-Specials, Loyalists
and RUC brought out the guns
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and began to shoot down
towards the Falls Road
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and we didn't have any guns,
but we suddenly realized
246
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there were no guns to
protect the community.
247
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- They machine gunned us.
- All those people.
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- [Reporter] Did you shoot back?
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- What with,
peashooters and bottles?
250
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Armored cars paving the way
for hooligans to come in?
251
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- We found out that
the young Fianna boy,
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Gerald McCauley had been
shot dead and I think also
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the little boy in Divis
Towers had been shot dead,
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the young child of
I think he was nine.
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And so we realized
it was quite serious.
256
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There was a lot
of gunfire coming
257
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and we were dodging
bullets and I decided
258
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I'd make my way home,
nothing else to do
259
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except stand around
and wait to be shot
260
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and when I arrived
home to our house
261
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there were sitting
the leadership of the
Republican movement
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of the day, Bobby McKnight,
Billy McMillen, Jimmy Sullivan,
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and they were sitting
in our house, my house,
264
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waiting for their
transport to take them
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across the border to Dundalk.
266
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And I remember thinking, you
cowards, you're running away
267
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and the people of the
Falls Road are now,
268
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are being burnt out, being
shot at, being murdered,
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and that would have been a time
270
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when I would have been
turning against them
271
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and I would have been
looking for leadership
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in a different direction.
273
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(soldiers shouting)
274
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- Boys, d'you want a cup of tea?
275
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- There you are love,
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that's for after your
lunch or after your dinner.
277
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- Thank you very much,
appreciate it, thank you.
278
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- The honeymoon period cannot
continue forever obviously.
279
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We're perhaps at the peak
now, everybody is smiling
280
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and swapping cups of tea and
all this sort of business
281
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and cracking jokes but
unless there is a solution,
282
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or some hope for the future,
283
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the soldiers are not going to
be welcomed on the streets.
284
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(dramatic music)
285
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(crowd shouting)
(glass shattering)
286
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- [Reporter] Two men have
died in rioting in Belfast
287
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after a big round up of
suspects this morning
288
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which was followed by
an official announcement
289
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that there's to be internment.
290
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- I have decided,
after consultation
291
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with Her Majesties Government
in the United Kingdom
292
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last Thursday, to
exercise where necessary,
293
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the powers of detention
and internment vested in me
294
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as Minister of Home Affairs.
295
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(people shouting)
296
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- [Dolours] The place was in
upheaval, but the strange thing
297
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,799
was that the local people
had suddenly changed
298
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and they had suddenly
become Republican.
299
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- Protestant extreme
organization are shooting over
300
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into the Catholic areas
and being protected,
301
00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:20,416
protected by the British
army, and then they tell you,
302
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,039
oh, if you complain about
us or say about this,
303
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,440
its only IRA propaganda.
304
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,759
Now, wait til I tell you
something, everybody around here
305
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,079
don't need to be an IRA man,
306
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,160
but they'll definitely
support it now!
307
00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:39,440
- [Dolours] Young boys who
were out throwing stones
308
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,519
were pulled in to have
cups of tea handed to them
309
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,960
and sticky buns and back
out to throw more stones
310
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,680
and there was a sea change
311
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,640
within the thinking of
the Catholic population.
312
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♪ If you hate the British
army clap your hands ♪
313
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,160
♪ If you hate the British
army, hate the British army ♪
314
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,839
♪ Hate the British
army clap your hands ♪
315
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(people shouting)
316
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- I suppose that was the seeds
of the Provisional movement
317
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coming along and the seeds
of people who had been,
318
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,599
not really politically inclined,
319
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,640
becoming politically
inclined because of necessity
320
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and they began to look to
republicans as protectors.
321
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(dramatic music)
322
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I, Dolours Price, promise
that I will promote
323
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:51,759
the objects of the
Irish Republican Army
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to the best of my knowledge and
ability and that I will obey
325
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all orders and
regulations issued to me
326
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,240
by the army authority and
by my superior officer.
327
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:01,960
That was basically it.
328
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000
I put my hand up, I
made that declaration
329
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,039
and I was a member of the IRA.
330
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,599
You had spent your life
learning this as a way of life
331
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,799
and you had spent
your life being taught
332
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:25,599
that it was a
glorious way of life,
333
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,160
and it was a proud and
honorable way of life.
334
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:37,119
When I reported to the army
and said I wanted to join,
335
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,400
I said, I don't want
to be rolling bandages,
336
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,079
that's not what I want
to do, I want to fight,
337
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:50,039
they put me in a room with
a load of rusty bullets
338
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,119
and some steel wool, and my
job was to clean these bullets.
339
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,640
That incensed me, but I did it.
340
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,240
I obeyed all orders.
341
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,160
(light music)
342
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,440
One of my jobs was to
transport explosives
343
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,200
from Dundalk to the
Battalion areas.
344
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,799
I would travel to Dundalk,
sometimes twice a day,
345
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:02,200
certainly four or
five times a week
346
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,720
and have my car loaded
up with explosives.
347
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,720
- [Ed] Where were the
explosives hidden?
348
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:12,240
- [Dolours] In the door panels.
349
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:30,400
We robbed a couple of banks,
350
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,920
once we went in dressed as nuns.
351
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,240
I'm withdrawing funds on behalf
352
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,359
of the Irish Republican Army.
353
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,079
And he said to me, I need
to see your credentials?
354
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:45,279
Here's my credentials, now
we'll do this really calmly.
355
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,240
Just open the safe and
fill the little bag
356
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,680
and we'll all get this
done very quickly.
357
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,480
I would hire a car
using a fake license
358
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,160
that I had been given.
359
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,400
I got so familiar to the
soldiers on the border
360
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,200
that they knew me
by my first name.
361
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:13,519
- [Ed] They knew you as Dolours?
362
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,079
- They knew me as Rosie,
no Rosie was my fake name
363
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:19,640
on my driving license,
on the fake license.
364
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:35,400
I found it so much easier
than you would imagine
365
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,240
and I think that probably comes
366
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,640
from the recklessness of youth.
367
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,119
We were young we
were very idealistic,
368
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,119
we were very dedicated.
369
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000
When we carried out
operations like that,
370
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,240
we did it in a
remarkably calm way.
371
00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,039
(crowd shouting)
372
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,799
(somber music)
373
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,319
(explosion booming)
(glass shattering)
374
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,000
- One has just got to be
blunt, almost brutal at times
375
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,319
at telling you your wife
has lost both her legs.
376
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,279
Your young son has been
killed in an explosion.
377
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920
This is the sort of situation
which we're faced with
378
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400
almost daily in this hospital.
379
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,240
Taking a father to the morgue
to identify his only child,
380
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,720
who is unidentifiable
following an explosion.
381
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,359
- [Man] Marion?
382
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,079
- The IRA in Belfast was divided
383
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:16,119
into three operational
areas, the First, the Second
384
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,200
and the Third
Battalions, or Batts,
385
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,759
as they were usually called.
386
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,640
On top of all three
Battalions, was the Brigade,
387
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,079
headed by the Brigade Commander.
388
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,200
Each Battalion also had a
Commander with his own Staff.
389
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,319
- Cock, check that there's
nothing in the breach
390
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,416
- The Brigade Commander
was in charge of the IRA
391
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,440
in all of Belfast
and he, never a she,
392
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
reported to the
IRA's Chief of Staff.
393
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680
(dramatic music)
394
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,039
- [Ed] It seems to
be about that time
395
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,240
that this special squad called
The Unknowns was set up,
396
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,720
what can you tell me
about The Unknowns?
397
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,200
The Unknowns, they were
supposed to be unknown people
398
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,440
who were trustworthy, dedicated,
had their wits about them
399
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,200
and could be trusted
with very specific jobs
400
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,359
and obeying orders
without question.
401
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:36,599
I was selected to
be one of them.
402
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,480
There would have
been 12 or 13 in all.
403
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,119
- [Ed] Was there a
Commander of The Unknowns
404
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,400
and to whom did he report
405
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,759
and from whom did
he get his orders?
406
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,799
- Well Pat McClure
would have been one of
407
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,759
the immediate commanders
within the squad
408
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,599
and they would have reported
back to the Officer Commanding
409
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,759
in Belfast who would
have been Gerry Adams.
410
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,440
(dramatic music)
411
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,119
They came away very willingly
because they had been told
412
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440
they were going for
a break, a holiday.
413
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,279
Occasionally volunteers who
were stressed would be sent away
414
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,800
and given time off and
taken across the border
415
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,599
to spend a few weeks somewhere.
416
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,199
They were generally in
holiday mood, I just,
417
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,816
I mean I had to bring
them across the border
418
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,119
and leave them there.
419
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:37,719
I believe they hung out with
the local unit for a while,
420
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,360
that they had some
fun with them,
421
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,599
they were taken to
pubs and they did have
422
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,480
some kind of break.
423
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Ultimately I believe
they were shot.
424
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,119
We believed that informers
425
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,400
were the lowest
form of human life.
426
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,519
They were less than
human and death was,
427
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,519
was too good for them.
428
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,416
- [Reporter] The widowed mother
of 10 children was kidnapped
429
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,800
last December, from her home
here in the Divis Flats complex
430
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,320
on Belfast's Lower Falls Road.
431
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,320
On the evening of December 7th,
four women entered the home
432
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,360
of Mrs Jean McConville,
told her family
433
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,639
that their mother would be
returned in half an hour,
434
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,039
and then left with her.
435
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,199
Helen, when did you
last see your mother?
436
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,519
- On the 7th December '72.
437
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:40,535
- [Reporter] Before this did
she give you any idea at all
438
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,360
as to why she was
going to go away?
439
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,559
- No.
440
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,400
- [Reporter] Where do
you think she is gone?
441
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,440
- I dunno.
442
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,800
- [Dolours] This where
it gets dangerous for me.
443
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,840
- [Ed] Yes okay.
444
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,159
It's one of these areas we
were talking about before okay,
445
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:03,119
so we're going to handle
this very carefully
446
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,559
but I need to know the facts.
447
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,639
- [Dolours] Jean McConville
was identified as an informer,
448
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:18,840
her house, her flat in Divis
Flats had been discovered
449
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,920
to have had a transmitter
where she was supposedly
450
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,199
passing information over
to the British Army.
451
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,440
She was also observed
by some volunteers
452
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,199
who were taken into
Hasting Street Barracks
453
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,400
to be identified by a person
concealed behind a blanket.
454
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:42,615
- [Ed] And what
actually happened,
455
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:44,400
where was she, was she with you?
456
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,719
- She was behind the blanket,
457
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,079
she was concealed behind a
blanket with a slit in it
458
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:49,559
that she could see through
459
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,079
and the blanket stopped
short of her feet.
460
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,440
- [Ed] And that's how she...
461
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,519
- And some of the
volunteers who went through
462
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,239
that identification process
recognized the slippers.
463
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,840
When Cumann na mBan arrested
her, and questioned her
464
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,440
she made an
admission to the fact
465
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,440
that that's exactly what
she had done for money.
466
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,440
She was ordered to be
taken across the border
467
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,639
to be taken away and in her case
468
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:31,440
the verdict was, again, death.
469
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,920
Our first contact with her
470
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,400
was to just pick
her up in the house.
471
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,000
- [Ed] And was
again, Pat McClure.
472
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,519
- [Dolours] Pat and myself
and another volunteer
473
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:52,360
took her and we went with
her across the border.
474
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,440
She having told
everything believed
475
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,199
that she was being taken
away by the legion of Mary.
476
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,256
- [Ed] Where did she
get that idea from?
477
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,599
- [Dolours] She was told that.
478
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:02,599
- [Ed] By you?
479
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:03,639
- [Dolours] Yes.
480
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,000
And it was only at that
stage that I realized
481
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:10,559
even that she had children.
482
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,639
- [Pat] All right,
chips for everybody?
483
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,199
- [Dolours] And she talked a lot
484
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,400
and she was very arrogant.
485
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,280
- My children, they
will be brought to me?
486
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,760
- Yes I'm sure they will be.
487
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,360
- Will they give me money,
will they get me a house?
488
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,039
- Well I imagine so.
489
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:56,480
- I knew those Provo bastards
490
00:38:56,519 --> 00:39:01,679
wouldn't have the
balls to shoot me.
491
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,719
- [Dolours] And at
one point she said,
492
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,519
"I knew those Provo bastards
493
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,719
"wouldn't have the
balls to shoot me."
494
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,239
And the Provo bastards
who were driving her
495
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,239
thought oh, wouldn't they?
496
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,199
Which was unfortunate for
her, she talked too much.
497
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,559
She was left in Dundalk
with the Dundalk unit
498
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,239
and stayed with
them for some days.
499
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,599
- [Ed] But I understand
that the Dundalk IRA
500
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:54,679
didn't want to do it?
501
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,936
- [Dolours] They didn't
want to do it, no.
502
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,880
- [Ed] So you guys had
to do it, is that right?
503
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,519
- [Dolours] Yeah.
504
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,920
They couldn't bring
themselves to execute her,
505
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,800
probably because
she was a woman.
506
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,480
- [Ed] What actually
happened that day?
507
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:28,559
- There had been a grave
dug by the Dundalk Unit
508
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:34,679
and she was taken by the
three volunteers to the grave
509
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:40,800
and shot in the back of the
head by one of the volunteers
510
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,679
and then the other two
volunteers each fired a shot
511
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,519
so that no-one would say
that they for certain
512
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,599
had been the person to kill her.
513
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,400
She was left in the grave and
the local unit buried her.
514
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,015
- [Ed] They covered
up the grave?
515
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:06,039
- Yeah.
516
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,840
(somber music)
517
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,119
- [Ed] There are
those who regard the
disappearing of people
518
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,599
as a war crime, do you
think its a war crime?
519
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,920
- I think its a war crime yes.
520
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,599
I think its a war crime.
521
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,199
It had never before been done
522
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,239
within the Irish
Republican Army.
523
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:35,000
I certainly advocated and
said that it was nonsense,
524
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,920
that informers
should be thrown out,
525
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,519
their bodies should be
thrown out on the street
526
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,400
to put the fear of God and
the Republican movement
527
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,239
into anybody who would
choose that form of life.
528
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,440
(glass shattering)
(explosions booming)
529
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,559
We had lots of discussions
as to what we could do
530
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,440
to bring the war
to a higher level.
531
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:10,360
It was at that time that we
discussed the possibility
532
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,639
of bringing the war to England,
533
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:14,360
back to what my father had done.
534
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,199
We selected targets that were
emblems of the British Empire.
535
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,079
Gerry Adams was there.
536
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,599
Gerry announced to the room
537
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,159
that this was a very
serious operation
538
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,000
they were being asked
to volunteer for
539
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,079
and that it could
be a hanging job,
540
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,519
and he instructed
those who did not wish
541
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,079
to have any further
input into the operation,
542
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,119
he instructed them to leave.
543
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,519
I was very shocked and surprised
544
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,000
that people were so unwilling
to actually undertake
545
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:21,119
an important operation,
546
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:25,599
which I was only too happy
and too willing to undertake.
547
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,480
(somber music)
548
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:44,280
I carried the role of
OC on that operation.
549
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,519
We could set off 10
car bombs in Belfast
550
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,000
and they would
have little effect
551
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:58,119
on the English public
opinion but that one car bomb
552
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,960
in London would
change English opinion
553
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,039
to such an extent that
they would perhaps
554
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,159
begin to call to have
their troops taken out.
555
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,199
A lot of time and effort
was put into planning
556
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,000
the operation which was
decided should happen
557
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,199
on the 8th March
which was the day
558
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,519
there was to be a
Referendum held in the North
559
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,199
as to whether or not
people of the North
560
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,400
wish to remain part
of Britain or not
561
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,039
and that being a
foregone conclusion,
562
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,639
the car bombs placed in London
563
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,559
were to be the IRA response
to that referendum.
564
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,079
The plan was that we
would take six car bombs,
565
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:56,239
four cars got through, I
had already been to London
566
00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:59,239
to select the targets.
567
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,079
The boys had been instructed
to not acknowledge each other,
568
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:09,199
to be oblivious of each other,
569
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,599
nothing untoward was to happen
570
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,920
and they of course
disobeyed all of that,
571
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,360
went to pubs, got drunk, were
carried into boarding houses,
572
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,559
and generally the
thing became a haimes.
573
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,079
As I approached Gerry Kelly
outside the art museum
574
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:36,719
in Trafalgar Square
he was leapfrogging
575
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,039
over the bollards and shouted
across the road to us,
576
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,599
what about yous, in a
broad Belfast accent.
577
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,360
(phone ringing)
578
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:57,639
But having said all of that
it didn't really matter,
579
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,719
we were set up.
580
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,639
(sirens wailing)
581
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,119
- [Reporter] Unidentified
terrorists strike
582
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,039
at the heart of London.
583
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:08,960
The first bomb explodes
in Great Scotland Yard
584
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,239
on the riverside of White
Hall injuring 38 people.
585
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,320
The second bomb explodes
outside the Old Bailey,
586
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,119
shattering the windows
and buildings...
587
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:18,336
- [Reporter] in the
explosions, one man was killed,
588
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,800
two policemen were
seriously hurt,
589
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,239
more than 180
people were injured,
590
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,960
police concentrated their hunt
for the bombers on the IRA.
591
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,360
London now knows
what Belfast is like.
592
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,000
- The police in London
were waiting for us,
593
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:46,159
they knew we were coming,
they had my photograph
594
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,800
and Marian's photograph
available to Special Branch
595
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,199
so basically the operation
was going to be a failure
596
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,480
from the start.
597
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:59,880
- [Ed] Was there an
informer on the job?
598
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,039
- There was an informer.
599
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,039
There was an informer
back in Ireland.
600
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,159
(dramatic music)
601
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:15,480
They interrogated Marian
first and she said nothing.
602
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:20,840
And then they interrogated me.
603
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,199
To every question they
asked me I responded,
604
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,599
I have nothing to say,
and, I have nothing to say
605
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:34,199
and eventually after
the 20th nothing to say
606
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,639
I did remark that, At the
risk of sounding repetitive,
607
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,400
I have nothing to say.
608
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,480
We were put in cells, stripped,
609
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:54,199
given blankets to wear
which I refused to wear
610
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,679
because I said it was filthy.
611
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,400
I was walked through
the police station naked
612
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,440
in front of the gathered
accumulation of policemen.
613
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,320
- Mummy?
614
00:49:55,639 --> 00:50:00,639
- Don't cry.
615
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,840
Don't cry.
616
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,440
- My mother arrived, to visit
us after about four days.
617
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,599
She whispered in
my ear, no tears,
618
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:17,440
not in front of these people.
619
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:21,760
So that's how
staunch we had to be.
620
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,440
That's how staunch
my mother was.
621
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,039
She told us not to cry
in front these people.
622
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,199
And she continued that all the
way through our prison time.
623
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,039
I asked her, what's
prison really like Mummy?
624
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:49,239
And she said, I did 14 days
and it was like 14 years,
625
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
and I thought that was
a very honest answer
626
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,559
but not very consoling
for ourselves
627
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,360
who were looking at
enormous sentences
628
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,039
when we would be convicted,
629
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,239
being fully aware we
would be convicted.
630
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,679
(somber music)
631
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,599
To be on a hunger strike you've
got to condition your mind
632
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:44,599
and convince your
mind that food is bad,
633
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:51,320
to have food, to take food,
to eat food is failure,
634
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,639
is defeat, is wrong.
635
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,639
(Dolours sobbing)
636
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,719
- No, no!
637
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,599
(shouting)
638
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,760
Our hunger strike was 208
days and 180 something
639
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,840
of those days we were
forcibly fed each day.
640
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,480
Sometimes twice a day.
641
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:18,639
If you were sick enough,
they would measure
642
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:20,599
how much sick you brought up
643
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,760
after the tube had been removed.
644
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,760
That had a very,
very traumatic effect
645
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,800
on both myself and Marian.
646
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,679
- [Protesters] Release
the Price Sisters, now!
647
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,480
Release the Price Sisters!
648
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,559
- [Reporter] Brixton
Prison, London, and today,
649
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,519
inside these walls Dolours
and Marian Price are dying.
650
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:13,880
The British Home
Secretary Roy Jenkins
651
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,920
has got three
options open to him.
652
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,599
One, he can accede to
the Price Girls demands
653
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:20,559
and have them sent back
to Northern Ireland
654
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,760
to serve out the remainder of
their sentence in Armagh Gaol,
655
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,800
two, he can allow them to
continue their hunger strike
656
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,400
without any
interference and die,
657
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,480
or three, he can
order the resumption
658
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,519
of the forcible feeding that
has caused so much controversy
659
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,159
within sections of the
British Medical Profession.
660
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,360
- [Albert] Well at the
moment they're very weak
661
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,000
but in spirit and mentally
they are very alert
662
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:52,400
and I suppose
happy in their way.
663
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,599
- [Reporter] What
did they say to you?
664
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,760
- Well they said, Dad
its one way or the other,
665
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:02,719
we're going home to Armagh
or we're going home some way.
666
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,760
We'll go home.
667
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,416
- [Reporter] How long do
you feel they can survive?
668
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,079
- [Albert] The doctors would
probably know more than I know
669
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,559
but, as far as I'm concerned
670
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,079
they're not the wee
girls that left home.
671
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,360
- Something in my heart told
me that it was that time,
672
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,199
I don't know why, I
don't know what happened
673
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,360
but when I went into my cell
I started packing my stuff,
674
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,199
I don't know why, put my coat on
675
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,360
and I started to gather my
bits and pieces together
676
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,280
and the, the governor
came in and she told us
677
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,960
we were going home, she says,
678
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,960
"Well not home, you're
going to Armagh."
679
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,039
I said, that's
near enough for me.
680
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,039
(dramatic music)
681
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,000
- [Reporter] She's just coming
into Downing Street now,
682
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:20,800
here's comes the Priministerial
Rover bearing now
683
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,079
Mrs Thatcher as Prime Minister.
684
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,639
A wave that we've now become
really quite well accustomed to
685
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,880
throughout this campaign,
Mr Denis Thatcher
686
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,400
her husband standing behind.
687
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,039
- I know full well the
responsibilities that await me
688
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,679
as I enter the
door of number 10.
689
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:48,280
And I'll strive unceasingly
to try to fulfill the trust
690
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,800
and confidence that the British
people have placed in me
691
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,320
and the things in
which I believe.
692
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,519
And I would just like
to remember some words
693
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,719
of St Francis of Assisi
which I think are really just
694
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,119
particularly apt at the moment,
695
00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:08,639
where there is discord
may we bring harmony,
696
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,920
where there is error
may we bring truth,
697
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,639
where there is doubt
may we bring faith
698
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,800
and where there is
despair may we bring hope.
699
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,239
- [Dolours] After the hunger
strike and the force feeding
700
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,440
and all of the psychological
damage that that created,
701
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,840
we didn't ever have
a normal relationship
702
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,440
with food or eating.
703
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:45,880
We both ended up with
very distorted notions
704
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,039
of the function of food
705
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,840
which resulted in us
both being anorexic
706
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,119
and not wanting to eat.
707
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:19,519
- Dolours, it's Marian,
they've released her,
708
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:20,719
she's going home today.
709
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,119
- [Dolours] A little part
of me had always hoped that,
710
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:39,280
because we'd been through
everything together that again,
711
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,800
this would be a together
thing, but it wasn't.
712
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:56,519
And actually I should
be quite pleased
713
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:59,079
that we were treated as two
individuals in that situation
714
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,239
because we hadn't been before.
715
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,599
We were always lumped together
716
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:05,320
as if we were some
kind of Siamese twins.
717
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,015
So I suppose in a way I
should have been quite pleased
718
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:11,400
that they released that
individual prisoner
719
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,239
and the other individual
prisoner had to stay behind.
720
01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:18,079
And then I got really depressed
721
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:21,840
because it was like I'd been
separated from my Siamese twin.
722
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,679
So I was lost without Marian,
yes, I was lost without her.
723
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,215
- [Reporter] The prisoners
believe that in ending
724
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,239
the dirty protest
attention will be focused
725
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,000
on the second hunger strike,
726
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:45,199
this began yesterday in
the H Blocks with one
727
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:46,599
of the prisoners, Bobby Sands
728
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:49,559
from Twinbrook in West
Belfast refusing food.
729
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,400
According to
Provisional Sinn Fein,
730
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,976
more prisoners will
join the hunger strike
731
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,519
later this week or
early next week.
732
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,559
- [Margaret] There can be no
question of political status
733
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:01,920
for someone who is serving
a sentence for crime.
734
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,119
Crime is crime is crime.
735
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,639
- [Fenner] Dear Margaret,
you may remember
736
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,800
that eight years ago
Dolours and Marian Price
737
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,079
received a life sentence
for being involved
738
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,280
in a bombing outrage
outside the Old Bailey.
739
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,239
I'd sought to influence them
against violence and the IRA.
740
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,440
Marian has subsequently been
released on health grounds
741
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:41,119
and Dolours is left
isolated in Armagh Prison.
742
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:42,599
Her recent letters show me
743
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,360
that she is deeply
upset psychologically.
744
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,159
I am quite sure that if
Dolours were released
745
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,760
she would become active
despite the dangers
746
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,039
in urging her fellow Catholics
to refrain from violence.
747
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,599
I enclose a letter just
received from Dolours,
748
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:02,280
it illustrates her condition
of mind and her convictions.
749
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:09,239
- 30 is a marker in every
woman's life, for me it is more,
750
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:15,079
it means nearly almost all
my 20s wasted in prison.
751
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,159
It means no babies and my
fruitful years passing me by.
752
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:22,776
- [Reporter] He said the
lives of the hunger strikers
753
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,000
remain, as they have done
since the protests began,
754
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:26,480
in their own hands.
755
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:28,119
And the RUC has now
confirmed that...
756
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:30,360
- Marian comes to
visit me very rarely,
757
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:34,960
she will visit this week
for only the third time
758
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,239
since her release.
759
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,199
I no longer even pay lip
service to any organization.
760
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:42,456
- [Reporter] With the
condition of Bobby Sands
761
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,199
now deteriorating
seriously it seems
762
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,079
that the British government
is bracing itself
763
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:47,800
for the consequences if he dies.
764
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,215
Certainly, the
Northern Ireland office
765
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:50,679
will make no moves to...
766
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:54,079
- Each day I live my solitary
life and am made feel
767
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:58,000
an outcast, a traitor
to their cause
768
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,199
because I declare it
no longer to be mine.
769
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:02,215
- [Margaret] The men of
violence have chosen to play
770
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:04,639
what may well be
their last card.
771
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:08,440
They've turned their
violence against themselves
772
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,400
- Am I to live through
all those awful memories?
773
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:18,400
I will be eating, as
well as any anorexic can,
774
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,760
but mentally I will live and
starve each day with them.
775
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:30,199
I want to live, to love
life again, to survive.
776
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:32,239
I cant do that here.
777
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,440
(typewriter clicking)
778
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,400
I was very, very, very ill.
779
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,280
I think the last time
they'd weighed me
780
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,320
I was about five
stone or something.
781
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,159
I suppose at that point it
particularly didn't matter
782
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:35,679
to me one way or the other.
783
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:45,215
So I got to the stage
where I thought,
784
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:48,320
well if I die, I'll still
get out of this place.
785
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,400
I'd had enough of it,
physically and mentally
786
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,079
there was nothing left
of me to keep on going.
787
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,239
(somber music)
788
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,719
- [Reporter] Dolours Price,
one of two sisters jailed
789
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,840
in 1973 in connection
with IRA bomb attacks
790
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,519
in London is being released.
791
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:27,896
- [Reporter] The Northern
Ireland statement
792
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,456
said that Dolours Price
was being released
793
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,239
because there is unequivocal
independent medical evidence
794
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,199
that she was in imminent
danger of collapse
795
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:36,599
and death if she
stayed in prison.
796
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:38,175
- [Reporter] Reverend
Paisley failed to secure
797
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:39,880
an emergency debate
about the release
798
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,360
of Dolours Price
from Armagh Prison.
799
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,720
- [Reporter] The news
has filtered through
to this community
800
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,239
that Bobby Sands has died
after 66 days of hunger strike,
801
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,440
and in scenes reminiscent of
the early days of internment...
802
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,440
(birds chirping)
803
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,800
(dramatic music)
804
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,416
- [Reporter] The IRA has
announced what it describes
805
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,199
as a complete cessation
of military operations
806
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:42,639
from midnight tonight.
807
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,880
The statement, issued in
Dublin just after 11 o'clock,
808
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,400
doesn't attach any
conditions or time limit
809
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,440
to the ceasefire.
810
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:52,960
Reacting to the announcement,
the President of Sinn Fein,
811
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,599
Gerry Adams, said
it was courageous.
812
01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:57,679
- [Gerry] I want to
say a word or two
813
01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:02,199
about the volunteer soldiers
of the Irish Republican Army,
814
01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:06,159
who have fought the British
for the last 25 years
815
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:10,480
and who are undefeated
by the British.
816
01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:15,679
(crowd cheering)
(typewriter clicking)
817
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:20,800
- I am a Republican,
born and bred.
818
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,559
As were my mother
and father before me
819
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:24,440
and theirs before them.
820
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,679
Give me an honest
socialist any day
821
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,519
over a lying treacherous
so-called Republican.
822
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:33,199
I would take no more
joy in seeing my sons
823
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:35,599
follow their convictions
to prison or the grave
824
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:38,599
than did my mother, or
the mothers of all those
825
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:40,679
who lie in Republican plots.
826
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:42,920
It was my free choice
827
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,639
and I believe that we
all have that freedom.
828
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:50,440
But I will never abandon
my Republican beliefs
829
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,199
and state them
whenever I choose.
830
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:55,239
Nobody will deny me that right.
831
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,800
That my own aunt lived
without hands or eyes
832
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,480
with quiet dignity and without
complaint for 40 years.
833
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,920
No deal has been
done with the Brits.
834
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,960
I remember thinking, what?
835
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,239
We got nothing.
836
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:16,119
Congratulations Dr Paisley,
you got what you wanted,
837
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:18,720
Stormont back,
Northern Ireland secure
838
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,560
and the Fenians in their place.
839
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,119
Not this Fenian and
a good few besides.
840
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:30,600
We don't recognize
The Northern State.
841
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,640
Never have, never will.
842
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,479
Admit it lads, you lost the war.
843
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,279
Some of us see it as only
having lost another battle.
844
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,960
You can lose all the battles
but only when you surrender
845
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,600
do you lose your soul.
846
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:03,800
- A historic day at Stormont.
847
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,199
After two years of talks and
after a generation of bloodshed
848
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,600
and decades of
division and acrimony,
849
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,800
George Mitchell ushers in,
what the whole island hopes
850
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,000
will be a new era of peace.
851
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:19,119
An agreement that unites
Loyalists and Republican,
852
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:21,239
Unionist and Nationalist Leaders
853
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,479
in a wide-ranging
historical accord.
854
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,720
- The principal of
consent is absolute
855
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,439
and is throughout the
agreement and the breakthrough
856
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,479
is that that is now accepted
by all, North and South.
857
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,359
- [Dolours] I was on a very
protracted hunger strike,
858
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:44,000
I suffered forcible feeding
859
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:47,600
which was a very
horrendous experience,
860
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,800
I served 8 years in prison
and for what Sinn Fein
861
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,399
have achieved today,
862
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,640
I would not have missed
a good breakfast.
863
01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:59,239
Sinn Fein quite
cynically seem to me
864
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:04,439
to be climbing over the corpses
of the people who have died
865
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:07,680
since the commencement
of the struggle.
866
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,840
Volunteers didn't only die,
volunteers had to kill as well.
867
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,920
- [Ed] Do The Disappeared
haunt you at all?
868
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,560
- Yes, yes, I
think back on those
869
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,720
who I had responsibility
for driving away.
870
01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:34,000
I'm not a deeply
religious person
871
01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:36,800
but I would say a
prayer for them.
872
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,239
- [Ed] Can I turn to the very
first of those operations
873
01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:44,479
that you believe The
Unknowns were involved in
874
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,680
and that's the, the
Joe Lynskey affair.
875
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,199
- Yes.
876
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:51,680
- [Ed] What can you tell me
about the Joe Lynskey business?
877
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,800
- Joe Lynskey was an
extremely gentle, gentle man.
878
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,840
He made a horrendous
and grave mistake
879
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,760
which I believe came
from his naivety.
880
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:21,439
He'd been off to be a monk
and he was a mature man
881
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,760
but he was in many
ways immature,
882
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,560
certainly in the
ways of the world
883
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,199
and he made the mistake
of falling in love
884
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,640
with another volunteer's wife.
885
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:41,439
Joe set up this husband
had another volunteer
886
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,600
go and shoot him and the
volunteer acted in good faith
887
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,800
believing that this
person was an informer.
888
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,600
Which he wasn't.
889
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,439
Fortunately he didn't
die, fortunately he lived.
890
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,239
When it came to light that
this is what Joe had done
891
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,319
he would have been
court-martialed for that
892
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:10,199
and the sentence
for having done that
893
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:12,039
would have been death
894
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:18,680
and Joe would have been
sentenced to death.
895
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,840
(door bell rings)
896
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:47,439
I was given the task
of taking him away,
897
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,760
bringing him across the border
898
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,760
and leaving him in the hands
899
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,039
of people who would
deal with him.
900
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,760
He came in the car with me
and he tried to explain to me
901
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,880
what had happened and I said,
I don't want to know Joe,
902
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,760
I really don't want
to know what happened,
903
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,039
I just know that I have this
very difficult thing to do.
904
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:31,560
And he apologized to me
for being responsible
905
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,359
for my having to, to take him
906
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:40,560
and he brought his little
overnight bag with him
907
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,560
which I thought was
very sad and pathetic
908
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,520
because he sat
with it on his knee
909
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:51,760
and I thought on the way,
as I was driving down
910
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:57,199
I thought, I should
take him to the boat
911
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:01,199
or I should or why doesn't
he jump out of the car?
912
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:04,880
Why doesn't he smack me
on the head and run away?
913
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,960
Why doesn't he do
something to save himself?
914
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:13,159
But I realized that, his
loyalty and his dedication
915
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,119
to the movement was such that
he had accepted his fate.
916
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,000
And my dedication to
the movement was such
917
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:24,199
that I couldn't have
taken him to the boat
918
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:27,159
because I would have
been disobeying my orders
919
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:32,359
and I would have been acting
contrary to what I believed in
920
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:36,960
and I know Joe had done wrong
921
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:42,159
and I couldn't have seen
any other sentence for him
922
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,039
other than that and
I think he accepted,
923
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:49,520
he accepted his fate fully.
924
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,039
He shook my hand and he
thanked me for driving him
925
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:17,039
and I said, well
I'll see you Joe,
926
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:21,439
knowing full well that I
wouldn't see him again.
927
01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:59,000
I couldn't live with the failure
928
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:01,960
of what my life's
purpose had been.
929
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,000
My life's purpose had
been to fight the fight
930
01:16:05,039 --> 01:16:09,920
that had been established
and had been conducted
931
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,640
throughout my family
over the generations
932
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,640
and to realize that it
had all been for nothing.
933
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,560
(dramatic music)
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