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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,039 (light dramatic music) 4 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:41,840 (car engine rumbling) 5 00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:26,575 - [Radio Announcer] Radio One News at 10 o'clock 6 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:28,200 with Michael Murphy. 7 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:31,920 - [Michael] Good morning, Gardai County Louth have recovered 8 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,120 the body of a man believed to be murdered 9 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:37,120 by the IRA more than 20 years ago. 10 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:38,256 They body is thought to be the first 11 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,599 of a number of the so-called Disappeared 12 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,760 whose whereabouts the IRA is preparing to disclose. 13 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:46,159 The man's remains were in a coffin that was found 14 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,439 about seven o'clock this morning at Old Faughart Graveyard, 15 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,959 about four miles north of Dundalk. 16 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,456 The coffin is thought to have been taken there 17 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,200 from another location during the night. 18 00:01:56,239 --> 00:01:59,239 Gardai haven't yet formally identified the victim. 19 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,439 (dramatic music) 20 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:17,199 (phone ringing) 21 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,039 (dramatic music) 22 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:42,639 (woman panting) 23 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,199 (light dramatic music) 24 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,280 - [Ed] Let's start talking 25 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:21,199 about your family history and republican background. 26 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Tell me about your mother, your father, 27 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:27,319 your aunts and the sort of Republican influences 28 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,159 that came up as you were growing up? 29 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:37,800 - I come from a strong, very staunch Republican background 30 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,479 on both sides. 31 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,599 On my father's side, I had a very religious aunt 32 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:47,280 who would have said, for God and Ireland. 33 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:53,080 On my mother's side, Ireland came first, came before God. 34 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,280 In 1939 when the IRA very grandly declared war on England 35 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:06,000 my father and some of his comrades went over 36 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:08,800 as the expeditionary force 37 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,520 to wage war on the Imperial master. 38 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,240 - [Announcer] A scene of havoc in Broadgate, Coventry. 39 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,879 The crowded thoroughfare was suddenly plunged into turmoil 40 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,040 and confusion as a violent explosion 41 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:22,920 swept bystanders off their feet. 42 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:25,480 Five people were killed and nearly 60 injured. 43 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:29,399 The cause is attributed again to IRA agents. 44 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:32,040 - My father's two mates were arrested 45 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,815 and they actually didn't have anything to do 46 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,439 with that particular operation but they were convicted 47 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,399 and executed for it. 48 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:46,279 So as children growing up that's the kind of 49 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:48,399 bedtime story we would hear. 50 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:53,279 We wouldn't hear Little Red Riding Hood, we would hear 51 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:55,240 they hanged my mate Jimmy. 52 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,959 As children, we looked forward to these nights 53 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,279 when he'd gather us round 54 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:05,160 and tell us about his time in prison 55 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:08,279 - The time was fast approaching, a lad lay sentenced 56 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:11,959 for to die and on the 2nd of September 57 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,560 he meets his God on high. 58 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:16,815 Now he's walking to the scaffold, 59 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,040 head erect he shows no fear, 60 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:21,759 for on his proud and gallant shoulders, 61 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,079 Ireland's cross he holds so dear. 62 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,160 Now the cruel blow is fallen, 63 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:30,079 for Ireland he has fought and died, 64 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,560 and we the countrymen who bore him, 65 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,639 will love and honor him with pride. 66 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:41,519 Brave Tom Williams we salute you, and we never will forget, 67 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,879 those who planned your cruel murder, 68 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,680 we vow to make them all regret. 69 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,920 So come all you Irish rebels, 70 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:56,759 if from the path you chance to stray, 71 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,319 bear in the memory of the morn, 72 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,480 when Ireland's cross was proudly borne, 73 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:04,639 but a lad who lay within these prison walls. 74 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:11,120 - My father spent seven years altogether 75 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,319 interned in different prisons but he never was charged. 76 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:20,600 He often said, I blew them up before you did, 77 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:23,639 the only thing was I didn't get caught. 78 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:31,600 We had the great honor of having had three generations 79 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:35,680 of women in my family spend time in Armagh Gaol. 80 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,560 We would have, as children, been aware 81 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,480 that my aunts had a dedication to the prisoners, 82 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:48,079 create parcels for them on special occasions 83 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,000 which, as children, we were always very envious of 84 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,399 and I think it made me begin to think 85 00:06:54,439 --> 00:06:56,399 prison wasn't all that bad a place to be. 86 00:06:56,439 --> 00:06:59,439 You got these cakes and bars of chocolate 87 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,160 and you got all sorts of wonderful stuff 88 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:03,600 if you were in prison. 89 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,519 (dramatic music) 90 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,519 - [Terence] Here in Ulster, the Union Jack 91 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,680 is the flag of freedom and my task, my duty, 92 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:32,439 my resolve are to keep it hoisted at the top of the mast, 93 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,240 here in our beloved Ulster. 94 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,720 (crowd applauds) (dramatic music) 95 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:50,680 - The Catholic population in my growing up time 96 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,319 were very down-trodden people, 97 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,240 and very accepting of their second-class citizenship. 98 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:01,600 Whereas we, as Republicans had a kind of strange arrogance, 99 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:06,279 because we believed that we were the possessors 100 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:10,480 of the truth, the absolute truth about how the island 101 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:12,959 should be run and we believed ourselves 102 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,680 to be the custodians of the men of 1916, 103 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,240 and we, in many ways regarded ourselves as elite. 104 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,120 We were a very angry people actually 105 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,800 the runt of Republicans that were left behind in Belfast 106 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:32,519 because we always regarded the fact 107 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,240 that when they signed away the 6 counties, 108 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:38,039 they actually signed us away. 109 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,639 (upbeat music) 110 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,159 ♪ Hear it, hear it, hear my heartbeat ♪ 111 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,960 - Dolours be a good girl, 112 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,216 your aunt Bridie's ready for tea now. 113 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,000 ♪ Pounding, pounding like a drum ♪ 114 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:02,799 ♪ Louder, louder, goes my heartbeat ♪ 115 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,600 ♪ As nearer, and nearer, and nearer you come ♪ 116 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:12,840 ♪ So hurry, hurry, says my heartbeat ♪ 117 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,279 ♪ Take me, touch me, make me thrill ♪ 118 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:24,159 ♪ Faster, faster, goes my heartbeat ♪ 119 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,399 ♪ I try but I cant keep it still ♪ 120 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,080 - My aunt Bridie was an inspiration to us. 121 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,840 Bridie was a living martyr and as children growing up 122 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:39,600 we were always very aware of this, 123 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:43,200 of the enormous sacrifice that she had made 124 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,120 because of her part in the struggle. 125 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,799 In 1938, she went to lift an arms dump 126 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,200 and the volunteer who was to lift the dump, 127 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,600 and she was to be his escort, didn't turn up. 128 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,799 She decided herself that she would lift 129 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,080 the arms dump and she did. 130 00:10:14,919 --> 00:10:17,759 (dramatic music) 131 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:36,799 It exploded on her and her hands were blown off, 132 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,639 her eyes were blown out and she was very badly mutilated 133 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,840 and she looked like that for the rest of her life. 134 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,840 She was 25 and my grandmother put the house into mourning, 135 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,320 the girls weren't allowed to go dancing, 136 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,120 it was like having a wake but with a living body. 137 00:11:04,639 --> 00:11:08,320 She was a smoker and as children once you got to be 138 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,360 eight or nine you had to be able to hold the cigarette 139 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:16,360 for her and put it to her mouth and take it away 140 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:19,639 and I hated the job, I thought it was the most awful job, 141 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,039 I couldn't stand it, but I did it because it was Bridie. 142 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,600 The fact that she was in the state that she was in 143 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:39,840 and the condition she was in obliged me in some way 144 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,039 to continue the struggle because it validated her sacrifice 145 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:51,279 and to have ignored the struggle would have been 146 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:56,120 to make her sacrifice futile, useless. 147 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,039 (dramatic music) 148 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,600 I went in one day and I could see these great big tears 149 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:11,559 rolling down her cheeks and I went to my mother 150 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,519 and I said, Mummy, how can my Aunt Bridie cry 151 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,200 when she has no eyes? 152 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,320 And my mother burst into tears and said, "My poor sister", 153 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,039 and it was really a very, very touching, touching moment 154 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,559 and as a child I can remember her how much pain 155 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,799 actually there was in that family that they hid, 156 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,320 that was concealed by this strength, 157 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,080 this Republican strength that they maintained. 158 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,240 As a family they didn't cry. 159 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:51,519 We were too strong to cry and to cry was a sign of weakness. 160 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,679 ♪ We shall overcome we shall overcome, some day ♪ 161 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,000 - I would have still been a sixth-former at school, 162 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:25,200 doing my A-levels and we would go regularly 163 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,000 to the student meetings and we would take part 164 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,399 in the debates and the discussions as to what we could do, 165 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,120 to bring about civil rights, one man one vote, 166 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:38,120 one family one house and all of the slogans 167 00:13:38,159 --> 00:13:40,200 that we had gathered, 168 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,639 because I had often debated with my father, 169 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,879 that this is the way that it would change and he would say, 170 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:53,000 oh, you'll learn, you'll learn as you grow up, 171 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:56,159 and I'd say, no I have learnt, I've learnt that 172 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,200 you didn't win the war, you fought the war in 1940, 173 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,320 yous didn't win, this way we can change the system. 174 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,039 (crowd chanting in foreign language) 175 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,840 ♪ We shall overcome some day ♪ 176 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,240 ♪ For deep in my heart ♪ 177 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,399 (people screaming) 178 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,080 - Please, God save us. (screams) 179 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,200 (crowd shouting) 180 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,799 - [Dolours] October 5th happened, the RUC were seen 181 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,200 in their true light as being a very sectarian police force. 182 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:06,279 Things were becoming more polarized. 183 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,360 I think as Republicans we began to see a glimmer of light 184 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:16,320 that there could be a change. 185 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,039 ♪ We shall overcome ♪ 186 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,080 ♪ We shall overcome some day ♪ 187 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:34,399 - [Dolours] We had long debates about the only way 188 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,679 to change the system was to unite the Protestant 189 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,960 and the Catholic working class 190 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,600 against the Imperialist system. 191 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:46,216 - Well I think it's been very successful so far, 192 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,200 we've had a very good turnout. 193 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,159 Now we've had some difficulties along the route 194 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,120 and there have been times we've been prevented 195 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:55,080 from going through, we don't like that, 196 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,279 but we feel that that demonstrates the fact 197 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,200 that in Northern Ireland we have a situation 198 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,600 like the Southern States of America where you do not have 199 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:05,440 the basic democratic liberty of free procession. 200 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,159 - This march flew its proper flag 201 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,840 into an outlawed Republican club banner 202 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,440 and this unmasked this march as nothing what-so-ever 203 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,639 to do with civil rights but simply an outlawed rebel march. 204 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,200 - [Dolours] We were marching along to Derry being stopped 205 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,399 at every Protestant town and being turned back 206 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,039 and re-routed and eventually ending up at Burntollet Bridge. 207 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,440 We did get a kind of warning 208 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,159 that it wasn't going to be peaceful 209 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,240 or be allowed to be peaceful. 210 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,519 - There is a good possibility that some stones 211 00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:59,039 may be thrown, some people may be hurt. 212 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:02,879 - [Dolours] The gathered Loyalists stockpiled stones 213 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:08,119 to throw at us and they had their cudgels with nails in them 214 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:10,440 and they had all their weaponry. 215 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,440 Clearly the police saw them there and the police led us 216 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,279 into the trap. 217 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,799 We were massively decimated. 218 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,440 - We had to get into the water, and they came after us, 219 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,799 we tried to go up the back field to get away from them, 220 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:33,799 they surrounded us in the back, we were stuck in the water, 221 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:36,039 we waded in and out of the water for half a dozen times 222 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:38,319 up to our waists, and they all battered us 223 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,920 and they took a fella singly and they battered him 224 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,295 and then they came for another fella and they battered them, 225 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:47,079 and not one policeman in sight opened the gates, jeez! 226 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,920 - It was at that point I think, I looked into the eyes 227 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,200 of some of these people who were beating us, 228 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,440 and they were glazed over with some kind of hate, 229 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,839 and I thought to myself I thought, no, 230 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:10,279 that person is never going to want to walk alongside of me. 231 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,119 I'm never gonna convert those people. 232 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,039 (soft dramatic music) 233 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:36,599 It changed me entirely. 234 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,559 It brought me back round towards Republicanism. 235 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,359 The Northern state was rotten. 236 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:54,559 Change wouldn't be brought about by us marching 237 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:58,839 up and down the road or being hammered into the ground. 238 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,640 (crowd shouting) 239 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:13,079 (explosions booming) 240 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,440 (fire roaring) 241 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:43,880 My Aunt Kathleen was burnt out of Dover Street, 242 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,079 my Aunt Evelyn was burnt out of Percy Street. 243 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,279 The B-Specials, Loyalists and RUC brought out the guns 244 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:57,599 and began to shoot down towards the Falls Road 245 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,799 and we didn't have any guns, but we suddenly realized 246 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:05,960 there were no guns to protect the community. 247 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,039 - They machine gunned us. - All those people. 248 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:09,136 - [Reporter] Did you shoot back? 249 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,400 - What with, peashooters and bottles? 250 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,640 Armored cars paving the way for hooligans to come in? 251 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,000 - We found out that the young Fianna boy, 252 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:25,440 Gerald McCauley had been shot dead and I think also 253 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,079 the little boy in Divis Towers had been shot dead, 254 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,720 the young child of I think he was nine. 255 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,319 And so we realized it was quite serious. 256 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,680 There was a lot of gunfire coming 257 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,519 and we were dodging bullets and I decided 258 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:49,160 I'd make my way home, nothing else to do 259 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,279 except stand around and wait to be shot 260 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,839 and when I arrived home to our house 261 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,240 there were sitting the leadership of the Republican movement 262 00:21:01,279 --> 00:21:06,440 of the day, Bobby McKnight, Billy McMillen, Jimmy Sullivan, 263 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,319 and they were sitting in our house, my house, 264 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,240 waiting for their transport to take them 265 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:17,200 across the border to Dundalk. 266 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,240 And I remember thinking, you cowards, you're running away 267 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,000 and the people of the Falls Road are now, 268 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:31,079 are being burnt out, being shot at, being murdered, 269 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,400 and that would have been a time 270 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,119 when I would have been turning against them 271 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,079 and I would have been looking for leadership 272 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,640 in a different direction. 273 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,680 (soldiers shouting) 274 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,119 - Boys, d'you want a cup of tea? 275 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:05,599 - There you are love, 276 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,599 that's for after your lunch or after your dinner. 277 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,400 - Thank you very much, appreciate it, thank you. 278 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,440 - The honeymoon period cannot continue forever obviously. 279 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,440 We're perhaps at the peak now, everybody is smiling 280 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,000 and swapping cups of tea and all this sort of business 281 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:24,319 and cracking jokes but unless there is a solution, 282 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,519 or some hope for the future, 283 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,640 the soldiers are not going to be welcomed on the streets. 284 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,200 (dramatic music) 285 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,440 (crowd shouting) (glass shattering) 286 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,599 - [Reporter] Two men have died in rioting in Belfast 287 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,880 after a big round up of suspects this morning 288 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,616 which was followed by an official announcement 289 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,240 that there's to be internment. 290 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:25,720 - I have decided, after consultation 291 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,480 with Her Majesties Government in the United Kingdom 292 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:33,519 last Thursday, to exercise where necessary, 293 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:38,759 the powers of detention and internment vested in me 294 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:40,440 as Minister of Home Affairs. 295 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,440 (people shouting) 296 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,599 - [Dolours] The place was in upheaval, but the strange thing 297 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,799 was that the local people had suddenly changed 298 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,319 and they had suddenly become Republican. 299 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,000 - Protestant extreme organization are shooting over 300 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,440 into the Catholic areas and being protected, 301 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:20,416 protected by the British army, and then they tell you, 302 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,039 oh, if you complain about us or say about this, 303 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,440 its only IRA propaganda. 304 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,759 Now, wait til I tell you something, everybody around here 305 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,079 don't need to be an IRA man, 306 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,160 but they'll definitely support it now! 307 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:39,440 - [Dolours] Young boys who were out throwing stones 308 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,519 were pulled in to have cups of tea handed to them 309 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,960 and sticky buns and back out to throw more stones 310 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,680 and there was a sea change 311 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,640 within the thinking of the Catholic population. 312 00:24:54,599 --> 00:25:01,599 ♪ If you hate the British army clap your hands ♪ 313 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,160 ♪ If you hate the British army, hate the British army ♪ 314 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,839 ♪ Hate the British army clap your hands ♪ 315 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,039 (people shouting) 316 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:23,160 - I suppose that was the seeds of the Provisional movement 317 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,799 coming along and the seeds of people who had been, 318 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,599 not really politically inclined, 319 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,640 becoming politically inclined because of necessity 320 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,240 and they began to look to republicans as protectors. 321 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,640 (dramatic music) 322 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,000 I, Dolours Price, promise that I will promote 323 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:51,759 the objects of the Irish Republican Army 324 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,920 to the best of my knowledge and ability and that I will obey 325 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,640 all orders and regulations issued to me 326 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,240 by the army authority and by my superior officer. 327 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:01,960 That was basically it. 328 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000 I put my hand up, I made that declaration 329 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,039 and I was a member of the IRA. 330 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,599 You had spent your life learning this as a way of life 331 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,799 and you had spent your life being taught 332 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:25,599 that it was a glorious way of life, 333 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,160 and it was a proud and honorable way of life. 334 00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:37,119 When I reported to the army and said I wanted to join, 335 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,400 I said, I don't want to be rolling bandages, 336 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,079 that's not what I want to do, I want to fight, 337 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:50,039 they put me in a room with a load of rusty bullets 338 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,119 and some steel wool, and my job was to clean these bullets. 339 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,640 That incensed me, but I did it. 340 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,240 I obeyed all orders. 341 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,160 (light music) 342 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,440 One of my jobs was to transport explosives 343 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,200 from Dundalk to the Battalion areas. 344 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,799 I would travel to Dundalk, sometimes twice a day, 345 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:02,200 certainly four or five times a week 346 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,720 and have my car loaded up with explosives. 347 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,720 - [Ed] Where were the explosives hidden? 348 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:12,240 - [Dolours] In the door panels. 349 00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:30,400 We robbed a couple of banks, 350 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,920 once we went in dressed as nuns. 351 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,240 I'm withdrawing funds on behalf 352 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,359 of the Irish Republican Army. 353 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,079 And he said to me, I need to see your credentials? 354 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:45,279 Here's my credentials, now we'll do this really calmly. 355 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,240 Just open the safe and fill the little bag 356 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,680 and we'll all get this done very quickly. 357 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,480 I would hire a car using a fake license 358 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,160 that I had been given. 359 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,400 I got so familiar to the soldiers on the border 360 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,200 that they knew me by my first name. 361 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:13,519 - [Ed] They knew you as Dolours? 362 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,079 - They knew me as Rosie, no Rosie was my fake name 363 00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:19,640 on my driving license, on the fake license. 364 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:35,400 I found it so much easier than you would imagine 365 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,240 and I think that probably comes 366 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,640 from the recklessness of youth. 367 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,119 We were young we were very idealistic, 368 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,119 we were very dedicated. 369 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000 When we carried out operations like that, 370 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,240 we did it in a remarkably calm way. 371 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,039 (crowd shouting) 372 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,799 (somber music) 373 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,319 (explosion booming) (glass shattering) 374 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,000 - One has just got to be blunt, almost brutal at times 375 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,319 at telling you your wife has lost both her legs. 376 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,279 Your young son has been killed in an explosion. 377 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920 This is the sort of situation which we're faced with 378 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400 almost daily in this hospital. 379 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,240 Taking a father to the morgue to identify his only child, 380 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,720 who is unidentifiable following an explosion. 381 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,359 - [Man] Marion? 382 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,079 - The IRA in Belfast was divided 383 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:16,119 into three operational areas, the First, the Second 384 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,200 and the Third Battalions, or Batts, 385 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,759 as they were usually called. 386 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,640 On top of all three Battalions, was the Brigade, 387 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,079 headed by the Brigade Commander. 388 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,200 Each Battalion also had a Commander with his own Staff. 389 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,319 - Cock, check that there's nothing in the breach 390 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,416 - The Brigade Commander was in charge of the IRA 391 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,440 in all of Belfast and he, never a she, 392 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200 reported to the IRA's Chief of Staff. 393 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680 (dramatic music) 394 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,039 - [Ed] It seems to be about that time 395 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,240 that this special squad called The Unknowns was set up, 396 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,720 what can you tell me about The Unknowns? 397 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,200 The Unknowns, they were supposed to be unknown people 398 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,440 who were trustworthy, dedicated, had their wits about them 399 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,200 and could be trusted with very specific jobs 400 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,359 and obeying orders without question. 401 00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:36,599 I was selected to be one of them. 402 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,480 There would have been 12 or 13 in all. 403 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,119 - [Ed] Was there a Commander of The Unknowns 404 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,400 and to whom did he report 405 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,759 and from whom did he get his orders? 406 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,799 - Well Pat McClure would have been one of 407 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,759 the immediate commanders within the squad 408 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,599 and they would have reported back to the Officer Commanding 409 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,759 in Belfast who would have been Gerry Adams. 410 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,440 (dramatic music) 411 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,119 They came away very willingly because they had been told 412 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440 they were going for a break, a holiday. 413 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,279 Occasionally volunteers who were stressed would be sent away 414 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,800 and given time off and taken across the border 415 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,599 to spend a few weeks somewhere. 416 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,199 They were generally in holiday mood, I just, 417 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,816 I mean I had to bring them across the border 418 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,119 and leave them there. 419 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:37,719 I believe they hung out with the local unit for a while, 420 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,360 that they had some fun with them, 421 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,599 they were taken to pubs and they did have 422 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,480 some kind of break. 423 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480 Ultimately I believe they were shot. 424 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,119 We believed that informers 425 00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,400 were the lowest form of human life. 426 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,519 They were less than human and death was, 427 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,519 was too good for them. 428 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,416 - [Reporter] The widowed mother of 10 children was kidnapped 429 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,800 last December, from her home here in the Divis Flats complex 430 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,320 on Belfast's Lower Falls Road. 431 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,320 On the evening of December 7th, four women entered the home 432 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,360 of Mrs Jean McConville, told her family 433 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,639 that their mother would be returned in half an hour, 434 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,039 and then left with her. 435 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,199 Helen, when did you last see your mother? 436 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,519 - On the 7th December '72. 437 00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:40,535 - [Reporter] Before this did she give you any idea at all 438 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,360 as to why she was going to go away? 439 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,559 - No. 440 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,400 - [Reporter] Where do you think she is gone? 441 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,440 - I dunno. 442 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,800 - [Dolours] This where it gets dangerous for me. 443 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,840 - [Ed] Yes okay. 444 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,159 It's one of these areas we were talking about before okay, 445 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:03,119 so we're going to handle this very carefully 446 00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,559 but I need to know the facts. 447 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,639 - [Dolours] Jean McConville was identified as an informer, 448 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:18,840 her house, her flat in Divis Flats had been discovered 449 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,920 to have had a transmitter where she was supposedly 450 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,199 passing information over to the British Army. 451 00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,440 She was also observed by some volunteers 452 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,199 who were taken into Hasting Street Barracks 453 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,400 to be identified by a person concealed behind a blanket. 454 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:42,615 - [Ed] And what actually happened, 455 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:44,400 where was she, was she with you? 456 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,719 - She was behind the blanket, 457 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,079 she was concealed behind a blanket with a slit in it 458 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:49,559 that she could see through 459 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,079 and the blanket stopped short of her feet. 460 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,440 - [Ed] And that's how she... 461 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,519 - And some of the volunteers who went through 462 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,239 that identification process recognized the slippers. 463 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,840 When Cumann na mBan arrested her, and questioned her 464 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,440 she made an admission to the fact 465 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,440 that that's exactly what she had done for money. 466 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,440 She was ordered to be taken across the border 467 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,639 to be taken away and in her case 468 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:31,440 the verdict was, again, death. 469 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,920 Our first contact with her 470 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,400 was to just pick her up in the house. 471 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,000 - [Ed] And was again, Pat McClure. 472 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,519 - [Dolours] Pat and myself and another volunteer 473 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:52,360 took her and we went with her across the border. 474 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,440 She having told everything believed 475 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,199 that she was being taken away by the legion of Mary. 476 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,256 - [Ed] Where did she get that idea from? 477 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,599 - [Dolours] She was told that. 478 00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:02,599 - [Ed] By you? 479 00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:03,639 - [Dolours] Yes. 480 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,000 And it was only at that stage that I realized 481 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:10,559 even that she had children. 482 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,639 - [Pat] All right, chips for everybody? 483 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,199 - [Dolours] And she talked a lot 484 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,400 and she was very arrogant. 485 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,280 - My children, they will be brought to me? 486 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,760 - Yes I'm sure they will be. 487 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,360 - Will they give me money, will they get me a house? 488 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,039 - Well I imagine so. 489 00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:56,480 - I knew those Provo bastards 490 00:38:56,519 --> 00:39:01,679 wouldn't have the balls to shoot me. 491 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,719 - [Dolours] And at one point she said, 492 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,519 "I knew those Provo bastards 493 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,719 "wouldn't have the balls to shoot me." 494 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,239 And the Provo bastards who were driving her 495 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,239 thought oh, wouldn't they? 496 00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,199 Which was unfortunate for her, she talked too much. 497 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,559 She was left in Dundalk with the Dundalk unit 498 00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,239 and stayed with them for some days. 499 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,599 - [Ed] But I understand that the Dundalk IRA 500 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:54,679 didn't want to do it? 501 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,936 - [Dolours] They didn't want to do it, no. 502 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,880 - [Ed] So you guys had to do it, is that right? 503 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,519 - [Dolours] Yeah. 504 00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,920 They couldn't bring themselves to execute her, 505 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,800 probably because she was a woman. 506 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,480 - [Ed] What actually happened that day? 507 00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:28,559 - There had been a grave dug by the Dundalk Unit 508 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:34,679 and she was taken by the three volunteers to the grave 509 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:40,800 and shot in the back of the head by one of the volunteers 510 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,679 and then the other two volunteers each fired a shot 511 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,519 so that no-one would say that they for certain 512 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,599 had been the person to kill her. 513 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,400 She was left in the grave and the local unit buried her. 514 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,015 - [Ed] They covered up the grave? 515 00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:06,039 - Yeah. 516 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,840 (somber music) 517 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,119 - [Ed] There are those who regard the disappearing of people 518 00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,599 as a war crime, do you think its a war crime? 519 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,920 - I think its a war crime yes. 520 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,599 I think its a war crime. 521 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,199 It had never before been done 522 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,239 within the Irish Republican Army. 523 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:35,000 I certainly advocated and said that it was nonsense, 524 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,920 that informers should be thrown out, 525 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,519 their bodies should be thrown out on the street 526 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,400 to put the fear of God and the Republican movement 527 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,239 into anybody who would choose that form of life. 528 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,440 (glass shattering) (explosions booming) 529 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,559 We had lots of discussions as to what we could do 530 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,440 to bring the war to a higher level. 531 00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:10,360 It was at that time that we discussed the possibility 532 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,639 of bringing the war to England, 533 00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:14,360 back to what my father had done. 534 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,199 We selected targets that were emblems of the British Empire. 535 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,079 Gerry Adams was there. 536 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,599 Gerry announced to the room 537 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,159 that this was a very serious operation 538 00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,000 they were being asked to volunteer for 539 00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,079 and that it could be a hanging job, 540 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,519 and he instructed those who did not wish 541 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,079 to have any further input into the operation, 542 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,119 he instructed them to leave. 543 00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,519 I was very shocked and surprised 544 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,000 that people were so unwilling to actually undertake 545 00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:21,119 an important operation, 546 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:25,599 which I was only too happy and too willing to undertake. 547 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,480 (somber music) 548 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:44,280 I carried the role of OC on that operation. 549 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,519 We could set off 10 car bombs in Belfast 550 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,000 and they would have little effect 551 00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:58,119 on the English public opinion but that one car bomb 552 00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,960 in London would change English opinion 553 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,039 to such an extent that they would perhaps 554 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,159 begin to call to have their troops taken out. 555 00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,199 A lot of time and effort was put into planning 556 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,000 the operation which was decided should happen 557 00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,199 on the 8th March which was the day 558 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,519 there was to be a Referendum held in the North 559 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,199 as to whether or not people of the North 560 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,400 wish to remain part of Britain or not 561 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,039 and that being a foregone conclusion, 562 00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,639 the car bombs placed in London 563 00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,559 were to be the IRA response to that referendum. 564 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,079 The plan was that we would take six car bombs, 565 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:56,239 four cars got through, I had already been to London 566 00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:59,239 to select the targets. 567 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,079 The boys had been instructed to not acknowledge each other, 568 00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:09,199 to be oblivious of each other, 569 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,599 nothing untoward was to happen 570 00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,920 and they of course disobeyed all of that, 571 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,360 went to pubs, got drunk, were carried into boarding houses, 572 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,559 and generally the thing became a haimes. 573 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,079 As I approached Gerry Kelly outside the art museum 574 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:36,719 in Trafalgar Square he was leapfrogging 575 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,039 over the bollards and shouted across the road to us, 576 00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,599 what about yous, in a broad Belfast accent. 577 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,360 (phone ringing) 578 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:57,639 But having said all of that it didn't really matter, 579 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,719 we were set up. 580 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,639 (sirens wailing) 581 00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,119 - [Reporter] Unidentified terrorists strike 582 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,039 at the heart of London. 583 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:08,960 The first bomb explodes in Great Scotland Yard 584 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,239 on the riverside of White Hall injuring 38 people. 585 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,320 The second bomb explodes outside the Old Bailey, 586 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,119 shattering the windows and buildings... 587 00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:18,336 - [Reporter] in the explosions, one man was killed, 588 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,800 two policemen were seriously hurt, 589 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,239 more than 180 people were injured, 590 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,960 police concentrated their hunt for the bombers on the IRA. 591 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,360 London now knows what Belfast is like. 592 00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,000 - The police in London were waiting for us, 593 00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:46,159 they knew we were coming, they had my photograph 594 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,800 and Marian's photograph available to Special Branch 595 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,199 so basically the operation was going to be a failure 596 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,480 from the start. 597 00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:59,880 - [Ed] Was there an informer on the job? 598 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,039 - There was an informer. 599 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,039 There was an informer back in Ireland. 600 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,159 (dramatic music) 601 00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:15,480 They interrogated Marian first and she said nothing. 602 00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:20,840 And then they interrogated me. 603 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,199 To every question they asked me I responded, 604 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,599 I have nothing to say, and, I have nothing to say 605 00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:34,199 and eventually after the 20th nothing to say 606 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,639 I did remark that, At the risk of sounding repetitive, 607 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,400 I have nothing to say. 608 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,480 We were put in cells, stripped, 609 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:54,199 given blankets to wear which I refused to wear 610 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,679 because I said it was filthy. 611 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,400 I was walked through the police station naked 612 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,440 in front of the gathered accumulation of policemen. 613 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,320 - Mummy? 614 00:49:55,639 --> 00:50:00,639 - Don't cry. 615 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,840 Don't cry. 616 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,440 - My mother arrived, to visit us after about four days. 617 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,599 She whispered in my ear, no tears, 618 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:17,440 not in front of these people. 619 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:21,760 So that's how staunch we had to be. 620 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,440 That's how staunch my mother was. 621 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,039 She told us not to cry in front these people. 622 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,199 And she continued that all the way through our prison time. 623 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,039 I asked her, what's prison really like Mummy? 624 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:49,239 And she said, I did 14 days and it was like 14 years, 625 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000 and I thought that was a very honest answer 626 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,559 but not very consoling for ourselves 627 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,360 who were looking at enormous sentences 628 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,039 when we would be convicted, 629 00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,239 being fully aware we would be convicted. 630 00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,679 (somber music) 631 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,599 To be on a hunger strike you've got to condition your mind 632 00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:44,599 and convince your mind that food is bad, 633 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:51,320 to have food, to take food, to eat food is failure, 634 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,639 is defeat, is wrong. 635 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,639 (Dolours sobbing) 636 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,719 - No, no! 637 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,599 (shouting) 638 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,760 Our hunger strike was 208 days and 180 something 639 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,840 of those days we were forcibly fed each day. 640 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,480 Sometimes twice a day. 641 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:18,639 If you were sick enough, they would measure 642 00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:20,599 how much sick you brought up 643 00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,760 after the tube had been removed. 644 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,760 That had a very, very traumatic effect 645 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,800 on both myself and Marian. 646 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,679 - [Protesters] Release the Price Sisters, now! 647 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,480 Release the Price Sisters! 648 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,559 - [Reporter] Brixton Prison, London, and today, 649 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,519 inside these walls Dolours and Marian Price are dying. 650 00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:13,880 The British Home Secretary Roy Jenkins 651 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,920 has got three options open to him. 652 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,599 One, he can accede to the Price Girls demands 653 00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:20,559 and have them sent back to Northern Ireland 654 00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,760 to serve out the remainder of their sentence in Armagh Gaol, 655 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,800 two, he can allow them to continue their hunger strike 656 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,400 without any interference and die, 657 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,480 or three, he can order the resumption 658 00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,519 of the forcible feeding that has caused so much controversy 659 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,159 within sections of the British Medical Profession. 660 00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,360 - [Albert] Well at the moment they're very weak 661 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,000 but in spirit and mentally they are very alert 662 00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:52,400 and I suppose happy in their way. 663 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,599 - [Reporter] What did they say to you? 664 00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,760 - Well they said, Dad its one way or the other, 665 00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:02,719 we're going home to Armagh or we're going home some way. 666 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,760 We'll go home. 667 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,416 - [Reporter] How long do you feel they can survive? 668 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,079 - [Albert] The doctors would probably know more than I know 669 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,559 but, as far as I'm concerned 670 00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,079 they're not the wee girls that left home. 671 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,360 - Something in my heart told me that it was that time, 672 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,199 I don't know why, I don't know what happened 673 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,360 but when I went into my cell I started packing my stuff, 674 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,199 I don't know why, put my coat on 675 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,360 and I started to gather my bits and pieces together 676 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,280 and the, the governor came in and she told us 677 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,960 we were going home, she says, 678 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,960 "Well not home, you're going to Armagh." 679 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,039 I said, that's near enough for me. 680 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,039 (dramatic music) 681 00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,000 - [Reporter] She's just coming into Downing Street now, 682 00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:20,800 here's comes the Priministerial Rover bearing now 683 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,079 Mrs Thatcher as Prime Minister. 684 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,639 A wave that we've now become really quite well accustomed to 685 00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,880 throughout this campaign, Mr Denis Thatcher 686 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,400 her husband standing behind. 687 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,039 - I know full well the responsibilities that await me 688 00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,679 as I enter the door of number 10. 689 00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:48,280 And I'll strive unceasingly to try to fulfill the trust 690 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,800 and confidence that the British people have placed in me 691 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,320 and the things in which I believe. 692 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,519 And I would just like to remember some words 693 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,719 of St Francis of Assisi which I think are really just 694 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,119 particularly apt at the moment, 695 00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:08,639 where there is discord may we bring harmony, 696 00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,920 where there is error may we bring truth, 697 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,639 where there is doubt may we bring faith 698 00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,800 and where there is despair may we bring hope. 699 00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,239 - [Dolours] After the hunger strike and the force feeding 700 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,440 and all of the psychological damage that that created, 701 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,840 we didn't ever have a normal relationship 702 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,440 with food or eating. 703 00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:45,880 We both ended up with very distorted notions 704 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,039 of the function of food 705 00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,840 which resulted in us both being anorexic 706 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,119 and not wanting to eat. 707 00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:19,519 - Dolours, it's Marian, they've released her, 708 00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:20,719 she's going home today. 709 00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,119 - [Dolours] A little part of me had always hoped that, 710 00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:39,280 because we'd been through everything together that again, 711 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,800 this would be a together thing, but it wasn't. 712 00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:56,519 And actually I should be quite pleased 713 00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:59,079 that we were treated as two individuals in that situation 714 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,239 because we hadn't been before. 715 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,599 We were always lumped together 716 01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:05,320 as if we were some kind of Siamese twins. 717 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,015 So I suppose in a way I should have been quite pleased 718 01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:11,400 that they released that individual prisoner 719 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,239 and the other individual prisoner had to stay behind. 720 01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:18,079 And then I got really depressed 721 01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:21,840 because it was like I'd been separated from my Siamese twin. 722 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,679 So I was lost without Marian, yes, I was lost without her. 723 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,215 - [Reporter] The prisoners believe that in ending 724 01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,239 the dirty protest attention will be focused 725 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,000 on the second hunger strike, 726 01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:45,199 this began yesterday in the H Blocks with one 727 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:46,599 of the prisoners, Bobby Sands 728 01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:49,559 from Twinbrook in West Belfast refusing food. 729 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,400 According to Provisional Sinn Fein, 730 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,976 more prisoners will join the hunger strike 731 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,519 later this week or early next week. 732 01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,559 - [Margaret] There can be no question of political status 733 01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:01,920 for someone who is serving a sentence for crime. 734 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,119 Crime is crime is crime. 735 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,639 - [Fenner] Dear Margaret, you may remember 736 01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,800 that eight years ago Dolours and Marian Price 737 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,079 received a life sentence for being involved 738 01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,280 in a bombing outrage outside the Old Bailey. 739 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,239 I'd sought to influence them against violence and the IRA. 740 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,440 Marian has subsequently been released on health grounds 741 01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:41,119 and Dolours is left isolated in Armagh Prison. 742 01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:42,599 Her recent letters show me 743 01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,360 that she is deeply upset psychologically. 744 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,159 I am quite sure that if Dolours were released 745 01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,760 she would become active despite the dangers 746 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,039 in urging her fellow Catholics to refrain from violence. 747 01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,599 I enclose a letter just received from Dolours, 748 01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:02,280 it illustrates her condition of mind and her convictions. 749 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:09,239 - 30 is a marker in every woman's life, for me it is more, 750 01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:15,079 it means nearly almost all my 20s wasted in prison. 751 01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,159 It means no babies and my fruitful years passing me by. 752 01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:22,776 - [Reporter] He said the lives of the hunger strikers 753 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,000 remain, as they have done since the protests began, 754 01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:26,480 in their own hands. 755 01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:28,119 And the RUC has now confirmed that... 756 01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:30,360 - Marian comes to visit me very rarely, 757 01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:34,960 she will visit this week for only the third time 758 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,239 since her release. 759 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,199 I no longer even pay lip service to any organization. 760 01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:42,456 - [Reporter] With the condition of Bobby Sands 761 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,199 now deteriorating seriously it seems 762 01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,079 that the British government is bracing itself 763 01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:47,800 for the consequences if he dies. 764 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,215 Certainly, the Northern Ireland office 765 01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:50,679 will make no moves to... 766 01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:54,079 - Each day I live my solitary life and am made feel 767 01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:58,000 an outcast, a traitor to their cause 768 01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,199 because I declare it no longer to be mine. 769 01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:02,215 - [Margaret] The men of violence have chosen to play 770 01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:04,639 what may well be their last card. 771 01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:08,440 They've turned their violence against themselves 772 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,400 - Am I to live through all those awful memories? 773 01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:18,400 I will be eating, as well as any anorexic can, 774 01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,760 but mentally I will live and starve each day with them. 775 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:30,199 I want to live, to love life again, to survive. 776 01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:32,239 I cant do that here. 777 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,440 (typewriter clicking) 778 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,400 I was very, very, very ill. 779 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,280 I think the last time they'd weighed me 780 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,320 I was about five stone or something. 781 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,159 I suppose at that point it particularly didn't matter 782 01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:35,679 to me one way or the other. 783 01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:45,215 So I got to the stage where I thought, 784 01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:48,320 well if I die, I'll still get out of this place. 785 01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,400 I'd had enough of it, physically and mentally 786 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,079 there was nothing left of me to keep on going. 787 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,239 (somber music) 788 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,719 - [Reporter] Dolours Price, one of two sisters jailed 789 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,840 in 1973 in connection with IRA bomb attacks 790 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,519 in London is being released. 791 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:27,896 - [Reporter] The Northern Ireland statement 792 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,456 said that Dolours Price was being released 793 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,239 because there is unequivocal independent medical evidence 794 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,199 that she was in imminent danger of collapse 795 01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:36,599 and death if she stayed in prison. 796 01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:38,175 - [Reporter] Reverend Paisley failed to secure 797 01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:39,880 an emergency debate about the release 798 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,360 of Dolours Price from Armagh Prison. 799 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,720 - [Reporter] The news has filtered through to this community 800 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,239 that Bobby Sands has died after 66 days of hunger strike, 801 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,440 and in scenes reminiscent of the early days of internment... 802 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,440 (birds chirping) 803 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,800 (dramatic music) 804 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,416 - [Reporter] The IRA has announced what it describes 805 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,199 as a complete cessation of military operations 806 01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:42,639 from midnight tonight. 807 01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,880 The statement, issued in Dublin just after 11 o'clock, 808 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,400 doesn't attach any conditions or time limit 809 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,440 to the ceasefire. 810 01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:52,960 Reacting to the announcement, the President of Sinn Fein, 811 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,599 Gerry Adams, said it was courageous. 812 01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:57,679 - [Gerry] I want to say a word or two 813 01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:02,199 about the volunteer soldiers of the Irish Republican Army, 814 01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:06,159 who have fought the British for the last 25 years 815 01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:10,480 and who are undefeated by the British. 816 01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:15,679 (crowd cheering) (typewriter clicking) 817 01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:20,800 - I am a Republican, born and bred. 818 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,559 As were my mother and father before me 819 01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:24,440 and theirs before them. 820 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,679 Give me an honest socialist any day 821 01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,519 over a lying treacherous so-called Republican. 822 01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:33,199 I would take no more joy in seeing my sons 823 01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:35,599 follow their convictions to prison or the grave 824 01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:38,599 than did my mother, or the mothers of all those 825 01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:40,679 who lie in Republican plots. 826 01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:42,920 It was my free choice 827 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,639 and I believe that we all have that freedom. 828 01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:50,440 But I will never abandon my Republican beliefs 829 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,199 and state them whenever I choose. 830 01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:55,239 Nobody will deny me that right. 831 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,800 That my own aunt lived without hands or eyes 832 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,480 with quiet dignity and without complaint for 40 years. 833 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,920 No deal has been done with the Brits. 834 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,960 I remember thinking, what? 835 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,239 We got nothing. 836 01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:16,119 Congratulations Dr Paisley, you got what you wanted, 837 01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:18,720 Stormont back, Northern Ireland secure 838 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,560 and the Fenians in their place. 839 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,119 Not this Fenian and a good few besides. 840 01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:30,600 We don't recognize The Northern State. 841 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,640 Never have, never will. 842 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,479 Admit it lads, you lost the war. 843 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,279 Some of us see it as only having lost another battle. 844 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,960 You can lose all the battles but only when you surrender 845 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,600 do you lose your soul. 846 01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:03,800 - A historic day at Stormont. 847 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,199 After two years of talks and after a generation of bloodshed 848 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,600 and decades of division and acrimony, 849 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,800 George Mitchell ushers in, what the whole island hopes 850 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,000 will be a new era of peace. 851 01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:19,119 An agreement that unites Loyalists and Republican, 852 01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:21,239 Unionist and Nationalist Leaders 853 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,479 in a wide-ranging historical accord. 854 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,720 - The principal of consent is absolute 855 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,439 and is throughout the agreement and the breakthrough 856 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,479 is that that is now accepted by all, North and South. 857 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,359 - [Dolours] I was on a very protracted hunger strike, 858 01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:44,000 I suffered forcible feeding 859 01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:47,600 which was a very horrendous experience, 860 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,800 I served 8 years in prison and for what Sinn Fein 861 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,399 have achieved today, 862 01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,640 I would not have missed a good breakfast. 863 01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:59,239 Sinn Fein quite cynically seem to me 864 01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:04,439 to be climbing over the corpses of the people who have died 865 01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:07,680 since the commencement of the struggle. 866 01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,840 Volunteers didn't only die, volunteers had to kill as well. 867 01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,920 - [Ed] Do The Disappeared haunt you at all? 868 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,560 - Yes, yes, I think back on those 869 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,720 who I had responsibility for driving away. 870 01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:34,000 I'm not a deeply religious person 871 01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:36,800 but I would say a prayer for them. 872 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,239 - [Ed] Can I turn to the very first of those operations 873 01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:44,479 that you believe The Unknowns were involved in 874 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,680 and that's the, the Joe Lynskey affair. 875 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,199 - Yes. 876 01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:51,680 - [Ed] What can you tell me about the Joe Lynskey business? 877 01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,800 - Joe Lynskey was an extremely gentle, gentle man. 878 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,840 He made a horrendous and grave mistake 879 01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,760 which I believe came from his naivety. 880 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:21,439 He'd been off to be a monk and he was a mature man 881 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,760 but he was in many ways immature, 882 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,560 certainly in the ways of the world 883 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,199 and he made the mistake of falling in love 884 01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,640 with another volunteer's wife. 885 01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:41,439 Joe set up this husband had another volunteer 886 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,600 go and shoot him and the volunteer acted in good faith 887 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,800 believing that this person was an informer. 888 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,600 Which he wasn't. 889 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,439 Fortunately he didn't die, fortunately he lived. 890 01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,239 When it came to light that this is what Joe had done 891 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,319 he would have been court-martialed for that 892 01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:10,199 and the sentence for having done that 893 01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:12,039 would have been death 894 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:18,680 and Joe would have been sentenced to death. 895 01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,840 (door bell rings) 896 01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:47,439 I was given the task of taking him away, 897 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,760 bringing him across the border 898 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,760 and leaving him in the hands 899 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,039 of people who would deal with him. 900 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,760 He came in the car with me and he tried to explain to me 901 01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,880 what had happened and I said, I don't want to know Joe, 902 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,760 I really don't want to know what happened, 903 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,039 I just know that I have this very difficult thing to do. 904 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:31,560 And he apologized to me for being responsible 905 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,359 for my having to, to take him 906 01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:40,560 and he brought his little overnight bag with him 907 01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,560 which I thought was very sad and pathetic 908 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,520 because he sat with it on his knee 909 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:51,760 and I thought on the way, as I was driving down 910 01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:57,199 I thought, I should take him to the boat 911 01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:01,199 or I should or why doesn't he jump out of the car? 912 01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:04,880 Why doesn't he smack me on the head and run away? 913 01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,960 Why doesn't he do something to save himself? 914 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:13,159 But I realized that, his loyalty and his dedication 915 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,119 to the movement was such that he had accepted his fate. 916 01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,000 And my dedication to the movement was such 917 01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:24,199 that I couldn't have taken him to the boat 918 01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:27,159 because I would have been disobeying my orders 919 01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:32,359 and I would have been acting contrary to what I believed in 920 01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:36,960 and I know Joe had done wrong 921 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:42,159 and I couldn't have seen any other sentence for him 922 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,039 other than that and I think he accepted, 923 01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:49,520 he accepted his fate fully. 924 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,039 He shook my hand and he thanked me for driving him 925 01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:17,039 and I said, well I'll see you Joe, 926 01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:21,439 knowing full well that I wouldn't see him again. 927 01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:59,000 I couldn't live with the failure 928 01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:01,960 of what my life's purpose had been. 929 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,000 My life's purpose had been to fight the fight 930 01:16:05,039 --> 01:16:09,920 that had been established and had been conducted 931 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,640 throughout my family over the generations 932 01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,640 and to realize that it had all been for nothing. 933 01:17:07,720 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