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(gentle peaceful music)
(glass tinkles)
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(gentle dramatic music)
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- [Speaker] Yeah, that's a good boy.
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(thunder crashing)
(quiet talking)
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(dramatic rhythmic music)
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- [Speaker] Hello?
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(scrambled chatter)
(crackling static)
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(crackling static)
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- [Narrator] It can be
said with confidence
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what we are witnessing and
filming here at ground level,
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they are also recording
that same data out in space.
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(dramatic otherworldly music)
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(dramatic otherworldly music continues)
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This UAP shows how antigravity works
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on extraterrestrial vehicles.
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By the early 90s,
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we already had a couple of
these in our possession.
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(gentle dramatic music)
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We know this because of
Bob Lazar openly discussing
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his previous employer
and what he worked on
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in the Nevada dessert.
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The behaviors of this UAP
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fit with what Bob Lazar said
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on the maneuverability
of antigravity craft.
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At first, the craft remains static,
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blending in perfectly
with the space debris,
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but then it suddenly vanishes,
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reappearing towards the
right of the screen,
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traveling towards the direction
in which it came from.
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Then the shot is fired.
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You'll notice a bright
flash in the corner,
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followed by a visible round
that was fired at the UAP.
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This phenomenon breaks the laws of physics
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and flies out of view.
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You'll notice what appears to be
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a second shot that was fired,
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however, these shots are
fired at the same time.
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Based on where the camera angle is,
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and the curvature of the Earth,
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that second shot looks like
it's much further in distance.
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In reality, what appears to be two shots,
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is really just one.
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This type of weaponized technology
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functions in a unique way.
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When it comes to capturing alien vehicles,
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this approach of hitting
the target is extraordinary.
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This weapon discharges, splits,
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and creates a net of solar energy
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that's similar to CMEs
that's strong enough
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to disrupt all technologies
that get caught in its net.
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In comparison, the behaviors of this UAP
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that was filmed on the space shuttle
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mimic the behaviors of the video
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that we show in chapter one.
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(gentle dramatic music continues)
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(gentle dramatic music continues)
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- [Speaker] I'm not supposed to talk.
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I'm not, what was it,
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I've always known I'm not
supposed to be talking.
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(thunder crashes)
(rain pattering)
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(gentle twinkling music)
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And I saw, I mean, you couldn't miss 'em.
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- [Speaker] If anything,
they're more curious about us
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as we are about them.
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(people expressing wonder)
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- [Speaker] They wanted
to borrow the image,
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or borrow the negative.
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- [Speaker] What if that was just,
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they were in a formation,
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and everything, something
was a flashing light
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because I couldn't tell the
shape of whatever it was.
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- [Speaker] People are reporting
seeing lights in the sky.
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(rain pattering)
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- [George Bush Sr.] Don't
be talking about yourself
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all the time.
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Give the other person credit.
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- [Narrator] George Bush Senior
is president at this time.
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- Be a part of something,
be a part of the community.
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Give to others.
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I mean, that's the way to do it.
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And it comes naturally.
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And so, I think for people
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just to sit and whine and
complain about things in life,
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that's not good enough.
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You gotta be in the game.
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Get off the bench, get in the game.
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- [Narrator] He would have
been the perfect candidate
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to give full disclosure on
unidentified flying objects
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and their origins.
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Being that he was
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former director of the
Central Intelligence Agency,
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he knew about special projects,
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programs that were available,
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and who to get in contact with.
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He was probably the only sitting president
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to gain access to the Deep State
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while being in the Oval Office.
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In January of 1976,
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President Ford offered George Bush Senior
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the position of running the
Central Intelligence Agency
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to fix the reputation of the CIA.
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It was damaged
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due to some of the secret
missions in the past,
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like the Watergate scandal,
or even the Vietnam War.
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The CIA's involvement in Vietnam
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did major damage to their image.
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Protests all over the United States
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created tons of backlash
during the Nixon presidency.
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Tensions spread as the American
public voiced their opinions
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about the soldiers still being in Vietnam.
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The public also learned that our soldiers
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were exposed to Agent Orange,
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a chemical that was used during the war.
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It caused major environmental damage
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and long lasting health problems
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to anyone that was exposed,
including their offspring.
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George Bush was given the duty
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of repairing the agency's
confidence and reputation.
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During his time of being the DCI,
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there were national security briefings
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that took place between George
Bush Senior and Jimmy Carter,
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as a president elect and
a presidential candidate.
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On November 19th, 1976,
during one of these briefings,
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President Carter approached Bush Senior
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and asked to be briefed on all information
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related to unidentified flying
objects and their origins.
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President Carter was denied,
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and it's believed that the
late George Bush Senior
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took all his secrets
about UFOs to the grave.
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But that's not entirely true.
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There's another version of this story
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that only President Carter
would be able to confirm.
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This came from a woman
who was no longer living.
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She was heavily connected
in the political arena
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and in other areas of life.
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This is her invitation
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to personally meet the president in 1997.
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She was known as Sweetheart.
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Sweetheart stated that
towards the end of 1976,
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George Bush Senior provided information
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to President Elect Jimmy Carter
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in regards to otherworldly vehicles.
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This information that
President Carter received
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from George Bush Senior came
in the form of a recording.
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She also stated that this recording
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was from 100 years prior
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and it took place on the
property of Thomas Edison.
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Sweetheart insisted
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that Thomas Edison's recording
of "Mary Had a Little Lamb,"
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was not his first recording.
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She went on to say that
during one evening,
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while Thomas Edison was
perfecting his phonograph,
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he heard a loud crash on his property.
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He went out to investigate
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and he discovered an oval shaped object
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that completely toppled the shed
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on the back of his property.
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Once he was done investigating,
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he went back into the workshop
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and realized that his
phonograph was still on
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and recorded the sounds of this crash.
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This is when he realized his invention
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was able to record and play back audio.
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How this recording got in
the hands of the government,
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I do not know.
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What I do know is this recording
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was in the hands of the CIA in 1976.
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Going through George Bush Senior's history
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as the director of the
CIA, you'll quickly learn
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that he was only employed
there for one year.
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During this time,
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while Carter was
campaigning for presidency,
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he promised, if elected,
he would make a push
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for the government to
release all information
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involving unidentified flying objects.
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Once Jimmy Carter became president,
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Bush placed a call and
gave his resignation,
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in which Carter accepted.
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His resignation took place
on January 10th, 1977,
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the day of Carter's inauguration.
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President Carter was happy
with the changes that were made
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within the CIA under
Bush Senior's leadership.
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He had to be replaced because
of his Republican ties.
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Once Bush was no longer
employed by the CIA,
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this is when he shared the information
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about the Edison recording
with President Carter.
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Let it be known that
President Jimmy Carter
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did follow through and make that push
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to have classified documents
made accessible to the public,
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but then he soon realized
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that some of that information
he was asking to be released
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could threaten our national security.
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Shortly after, a great idea was presented
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and put into motion right away.
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- [Child] Hello, from the
children of Planet Earth.
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- [Narrator] These two phonograph records
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were placed on Voyager One and Two,
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with the intention of letting
extraterrestrials know
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our story here on Earth.
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They contained sounds,
music, and pictures,
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which displayed the diversity
and life here on this world.
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They were specifically made
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for any intelligent
life on distant planets.
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These phonographs would be
considered time capsules
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and President Carter added this message.
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"This is a present from
a small, distant world,
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"a token of our sounds, our science,
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"our images, our music,
our thoughts and feelings.
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"We are attempting to survive our time
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"so we may live into yours."
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President Carter always had
interest in extraterrestrials
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because he had his own UFO experience
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on an early evening in 1969,
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two years before he was
governor of Georgia.
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Carter was preparing to give a speech
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at the Lion's Club in Leary, Georgia
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when one of the attending
members got Carter's attention
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and pointed out a single
bright white light
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off in the Western sky.
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Carter gave his best
description of the object
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that he and 20 other people witnessed.
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He said the object was a big bright light,
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as bright as the moon.
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It was just above the horizon
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and then it began to come
towards the group of individuals.
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It began to change
colors from red to blue,
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then eventually back to white,
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and then it went off into the distance
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and out of their view.
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He also said that the object
was not solid in nature
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and it was made of light.
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While Carter was campaigning
for presidency during 1976.
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He was very open about what he witnessed
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that evening in Leary, Georgia.
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The contents that were gathered
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and placed on the golden records
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were personally selected by a committee
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that was headed by Carl Sagan.
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He was an American
scientist and astronomer
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who was well known for research
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on possibilities of extraterrestrial
life on other planets.
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Prior to the golden records,
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Sagan sent the pioneer plaques into space
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which were the original messages
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that were launched out a few years prior.
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The Voyager probes had a similar
path as Pioneer 10 and 11,
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which studied the
environments around Jupiter,
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(gentle dramatic music)
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Saturn,
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and the astroid belt.
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The two golden records are
actually gold plated copper,
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aluminum electroplated
that has a pure sample
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of the isotope uranium dash 238.
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Uranium dash 238 has a
half-life of 4.4 billion years.
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Sagan stated the records
were sent into space
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with the hopes of
extraterrestrial life finding them
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and if they are intelligent enough,
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they will be able to play them
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and learn about human life on
a distant world called Earth.
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Both phonographs were placed
on Voyager One and Two,
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with a scheduled launch in
August and September of 1977.
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- [NASA] Two, one, we have
ignition and we have liftoff.
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- [Narrator] Voyager Two was
launched on August 20th, 1977,
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16 days before its sister craft.
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- [NASA] Farther into the
solar system than ever before.
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(quiet humming)
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(gentle otherworldly music)
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- [Narrator] This probe took that path
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towards Jupiter and Saturn,
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and because the planets
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were in a perfect periodic alignment,
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it also went to the outer planets.
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(gentle peaceful music)
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First, the probe encountered Jupiter.
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(gentle peaceful music)
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Next, the Voyager would travel
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to the giant gas planet, Saturn.
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(gentle peaceful music)
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The next move was tricky, but successful.
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(quiet humming)
(gentle peaceful music)
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Using the gravitational pull of Saturn,
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the Voyager sling-shotted over to Uranus.
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(gentle peaceful music)
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(gentle peaceful music continues)
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(gentle peaceful music continues)
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And then eventually
made its way to Neptune.
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(gentle peaceful music)
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(gentle peaceful music continues)
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(gentle peaceful music continues)
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Before eventually heading
towards interstellar space.
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(gentle peaceful music)
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Voyager Two is the only
probe in human history
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to have visited the giant ice planets.
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Voyager One launched
on September 5th, 1977.
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(rocket engine rumbling)
(gentle peaceful music)
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(rocket engine continues rumbling)
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(rocket continues rumbling)
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(gentle otherworldly music)
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During this trip,
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Voyager One would explore Jupiter
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and capture images we missed
out on with its sister probe.
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(gentle otherworldly music)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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It also went to Saturn
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along with its largest moon, Titan.
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(gentle otherworldly music)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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We decided to explore Titan
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because it was already
known to have an atmosphere
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that could be sustainable.
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(gentle otherworldly music)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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After exploring Saturn and Titan,
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Voyager headed towards interstellar space.
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(gentle otherworldly music)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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- What I'm imagining is the
facts that I've just stated
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becoming generally known
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so that people know that out there
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is a million other civilizations.
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They all look fabulously ugly
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and they're all a lot smarter than us.
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That seems to me useful
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and a character-building
experience for mankind.
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(gentle otherworldly music)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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(gentle otherworldly music continues)
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(gentle piano music)
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- [Speaker] The date is three, eight, 94,
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the time, 21:30 hours.
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Also recorded will be
dispatch conversation
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with the National Weather
Service personnel.
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- [911 Operator] 911.
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- [Caller] Yeah, um, is this the police?
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- [911 Operator] We're in
the dispatch in Toronto, so--
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- [Caller] Okay, um, I
don't know if you guys
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do anything on UFOs at all.
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- [Narrator] Not a thunderstorm in sight,
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however, we tracked
something else that night.
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(water burbling)
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- [911 Operator] 911.
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- [Caller] You guys with me?
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- You bet.
- I'd probably call that shot
357
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a real emergency, we've
just called about the UFOS
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with that.
- Mmhmm.
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- [Caller] They're out
there, ain't the airplanes.
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- [Narrator] For nearly 200 miles
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of the Lake Michigan shoreline,
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from Muskegon,
(water burbling)
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South to the Indiana boarder line,
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more than 300 people reported seeing
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three to six unidentified flying objects,
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moving at very high speeds.
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- [Operator] Central dispatch.
368
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- [Caller] Um yeah,
this is a non-emergency,
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so feel free to cut me
off if something comes in.
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And I feel kind of silly calling,
371
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but my son and sister that I call,
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why don't you tell 'em what you saw.
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- [Son] Okay, I was at a real high hill--
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- [Operator] Mmhmm.
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- [Son] Right on the county line there,
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and it was like at a 45
degree angle to the ground--
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- [Operator] Uh huh.
378
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- [Son] There was like
probably four or five lights
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and they were all flashing right in a row,
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from the top all the
way down to the bottom--
381
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- [Operator] Uh huh.
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- [Son] And I was sitting
there for a while,
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and then it leveled off,
and then it moved Southeast,
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it was up in the air quite a bit.
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- [Operator] Okay, yeah,
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we've got an officer down in your area
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checking on it right now.
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- Okay.
- Okay?
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- [Son] It took off real fast.
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- [Operator] Okay yeah,
we'll let him know.
391
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- All right, thanks.
- Thank you.
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- Bye.
- Bye.
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- [Narrator] 911 police dispatch
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received an abundance of calls from people
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who were saying they were
seeing strange lights
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that filled up the night sky.
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Reports came in that they
were as bright as the moon,
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they changed colors from red
to green to blue to white,
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and sometimes they were
moving extremely fast,
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and staying static.
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Some of the reports that were filed
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actually came from police officers,
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and one of them came
from the meteorologist
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who worked at the
National Weather Station.
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Hundreds of people that
night witnessed this event.
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- [911 Operator] 911.
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- [Caller] Um, we were just wondering,
408
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have you heard anything about these lights
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that are flickering up here in the,
410
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what is it, the East,
East, Southeast area?
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Looked like a group,
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it looked like a string
of Christmas lights
413
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that's way up in the sky,
414
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and we'd wondered if you
had heard anything about it.
415
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- [911 Operator] Not a thing.
416
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:20,790
- [Caller] Wow, you might oughta
have somebody take a look,
417
00:24:20,790 --> 00:24:23,253
it's different, I've never
seen anything like it.
418
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:25,713
I don't know, it's strange,
419
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but it's right out East,
Southeast, and it's way up,
420
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and it's just like a circle
421
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of a lot of different lights flickering.
422
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And it's different than
any airplane. (chuckles)
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- [Narrator] Jack Bushong,
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who was now a retired meteorologist,
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who observed the sighting
on weather radar,
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while he was working the Muskegon radar,
427
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he said they were just moving so fast
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and he had very little time to describe
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what they were doing on the
evening of March 8th, 1994.
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He was working at the National
Weather Service Station
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by himself, the phone rang,
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and it was the Ottawa County Dispatcher
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who had been getting reports
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of seeing strange objects in the sky
435
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and they were calling to see if anything
436
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was being shown on the radars
437
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,202
at the National Weather Service Station.
438
00:25:15,202 --> 00:25:20,202
(phone disconnect signal)
(beeping)
439
00:25:21,655 --> 00:25:26,655
(muddled speech)
(phone rings)
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- [Bushong] Weather Service, Muskegon.
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- [911 Operator] Hi Muskegon,
442
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this is Ottawa County 911 calling.
443
00:25:33,810 --> 00:25:34,646
- [Bushong] Yeah, how you doing?
444
00:25:34,646 --> 00:25:35,562
- [911 Operator] Good.
445
00:25:35,562 --> 00:25:37,660
You guys have access to
a radar there, don't cha?
446
00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:38,493
- Yes we do.
- You do.
447
00:25:38,493 --> 00:25:40,140
You getting anything weird
448
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:42,900
down in the Southern Ottawa County area?
449
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,630
- Anything weird?
- Hold on for a sec, okay?
450
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- [Narrator] At first, Jack Bushong
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has just seen the normal activity
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that would occur on a clear evening.
453
00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:53,190
At this time,
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the radar seems to be in an
automatic state of operation,
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and he's just giving simple observations.
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As this is going on,
457
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the Ottawa County dispatcher
is still receiving calls
458
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about sightings of
strange lights in the sky.
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00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,250
These calls were coming
from multiple cities
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00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:13,320
surrounding Lake Michigan.
461
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,650
The public is still
continuing to see the objects
462
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and they are not sure what they could be.
463
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,260
These objects are bouncing
all over the place
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from South Bent to
Muskegon, and even Chicago
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at very high speeds.
466
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There was recently a tower
that was built in the area
467
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and when it became operational,
468
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the tower lights were static.
469
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:40,020
After a couple weeks,
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the operation of those
lights began to blink.
471
00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:44,970
This came from one of the officers
472
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simply giving his own opinion
473
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on what he thought the people
might actually be seeing.
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The dispatcher immediately
tries to make sense of it all
475
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:54,570
by asking some pretty good questions
476
00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:57,120
and remaining calm during the process.
477
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,470
He's trying to help out
478
00:26:58,470 --> 00:27:00,660
without really seeing what's going on.
479
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,940
He starts off by asking the callers
480
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if they are moving positions
around on the property.
481
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,240
Maybe that's the reason why
the lights appear to be moving,
482
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,850
says the dispatcher to a couple callers,
483
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:14,743
but they are adamant about
the lights moving in the sky.
484
00:27:14,743 --> 00:27:15,668
- [Speaker] Not really, you know,
485
00:27:15,668 --> 00:27:18,085
I see something, right there.
486
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,603
Okay, let's see what
that is, looks like, uh,
487
00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:25,350
there's a larger turn
down there, let's see,
488
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:28,683
that looks like um, it's up about, maybe,
489
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:34,560
well it disappeared, but
it was up about 6,000 feet,
490
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,043
and about um,
491
00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:41,867
could have been a plane, I don't know,
492
00:27:41,867 --> 00:27:43,800
but it was pretty big, wait a minute.
493
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,633
See what that was.
494
00:27:44,633 --> 00:27:45,839
- [Speaker] Yeah,
495
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:46,672
we're getting a bunch
of weird ones down there
496
00:27:46,672 --> 00:27:47,730
and I can see, now it's starting,
497
00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:50,430
it appears to be moving
a little bit South.
498
00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:52,173
- [Speaker] Yeah, okay it moved.
499
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,666
Yeah, there's something big down there,
500
00:27:54,666 --> 00:27:55,950
wait a minute, that's really strange.
501
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:57,120
- [Narrator] Because Mr. Bushong
502
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,820
was using the radar in the horizontal,
503
00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:02,250
he really wasn't able to see them
504
00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:04,650
because they were dropping
and rising in altitude
505
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:06,360
within seconds.
506
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,490
The meteorologist then begins to notice
507
00:28:08,490 --> 00:28:10,593
a couple strange hits on the radar,
508
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,580
but he still isn't too sure of what it is
509
00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:15,880
that he's actually seeing.
510
00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:19,623
At first he thinks it could be a plane,
511
00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:22,890
but he notices the hit the radar picked up
512
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:26,280
was much larger than your
conventional aircraft.
513
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,750
You gotta keep in mind,
514
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:30,060
he's not actually receiving the calls
515
00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:32,820
so he's not really sure
what he's looking for.
516
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:35,730
He's just being told
by a police dispatcher
517
00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:39,600
to check the radar for
any anomalies in the sky.
518
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,310
The reports that were coming in
519
00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:44,760
were about three to four
lights, flying in a bunch,
520
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,500
sometimes separating,
521
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,260
and even changing colors in the process.
522
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,660
They were being spotted
in different locations
523
00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:54,840
within a 200 mile radius of Lake Michigan.
524
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,170
He recognizes that the craft
is moving indefinitely,
525
00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:00,630
mainly because now he's
operating the radar
526
00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:02,850
with manual functions in the vertical.
527
00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:06,060
This gives him the ability
to better track and observe
528
00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:08,070
while using the weather radar.
529
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:10,800
The functions of a weather
radar work like this,
530
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680
from an antennae, beams
of energy are emitted.
531
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,420
These are called radio waves.
532
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:19,590
These beams of energy are
scattered in every direction.
533
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:22,170
The radio waves travel
through the atmosphere
534
00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:24,330
and they strike objects in the sky,
535
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:27,600
whether it's a plane,
a storm or anomalies.
536
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,140
When those radio waves make
contact with an object,
537
00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:33,360
and then emits a signal
back to the antennae.
538
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,964
- [Bushong] Yeah, it
looks like a big blob.
539
00:29:35,964 --> 00:29:36,797
- [911 Operator] Yeah,
540
00:29:36,797 --> 00:29:38,250
that's the way it was explained to us.
541
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:39,383
- [Bushong] And it's not,
542
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:44,220
I think it's almost off the
scope, let me go to another--
543
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:45,840
- [911 Operator] Hey, this is weird.
544
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,420
- [Bushong] Let me go to
another, uh, let me see-
545
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,430
- [Narrator] This call
between the dispatcher
546
00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:51,780
and the meteorologist,
547
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:54,210
at the National Weather
Service Station in Muskegon,
548
00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:56,190
supported what people saw on the ground,
549
00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:57,753
including police officers.
550
00:30:00,210 --> 00:30:02,910
All of this took place in real time.
551
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:06,150
As the dispatcher was on the
phone with the meteorologist,
552
00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:08,040
the calls continued to come in
553
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,900
and they were being documented.
554
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:13,162
- [Caller] Yeah, I was up
about 6,000 feet or so,
555
00:30:13,162 --> 00:30:15,323
and unless that was a um--
556
00:30:18,489 --> 00:30:20,442
(muddled speech)
557
00:30:20,442 --> 00:30:22,890
- [Bushong] And I can't, it disappears,
558
00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:24,417
it's moving because uh--
559
00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:28,020
- [911 Operator] One pass it's here,
560
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,280
the next pass it's gone?
- Yeah.
561
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,987
I got it on manual now, I'm just kinda,
562
00:30:33,987 --> 00:30:37,030
I'm continuously radiating on it
563
00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:40,837
and looks like it's steady right now.
564
00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:45,480
- [Narrator] The reactions
of this meteorologist
565
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,313
are genuine.
566
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:51,240
Excitement, confusion are all typical
567
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,990
when it comes to experiencing
something of the unknown.
568
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,380
We now have somebody with
exceptional technology
569
00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:00,480
who is observing these UAPs,
570
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,203
confirming what police officers
and citizens are witnessing.
571
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,520
These craft are able to
travel great distances
572
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,700
within seconds, covering multiple cities,
573
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,280
surrounding Southern Lake Michigan.
574
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,010
They are able to use the
energy in the air space
575
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:18,990
to get from point A to point B
576
00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:20,590
a lot quicker than what we know.
577
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:23,970
The returns that were
coming back to the radar
578
00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:26,823
show these objects as
massive points of energy,
579
00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:31,590
blobs of energy that are able
to manipulate the airspace
580
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:33,840
above Lake Michigan.
- Those objects--
581
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,330
- Well--
- Oh my God, what is that?
582
00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:37,320
- [Speaker] They were going together
583
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,810
and coming apart--
- Well it's,
584
00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:42,060
there's three and there are lines flying,
585
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:43,710
now I'm getting three of 'em and,
586
00:31:49,944 --> 00:31:54,861
I'm getting a third one now
and they're separated by about,
587
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:58,563
looks like about 5,000 feet in height,
588
00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:04,137
and about maybe uh, um--
589
00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:11,610
- [911 Operator] An officer
just sent me a message here,
590
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:13,610
he says about maybe uh--
591
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,800
- [Bushong] They're separated
by about 50 kilometers.
592
00:32:22,416 --> 00:32:26,250
And they're very--
(phone rings)
593
00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:27,927
They're very strong return.
594
00:32:27,927 --> 00:32:31,437
I'm getting a real--
(phone rings)
595
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:33,173
They're spiking.
596
00:32:33,173 --> 00:32:36,576
So there's something pretty,
it's something pretty solid.
597
00:32:36,576 --> 00:32:37,680
There's no precipitation or anything,
598
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,420
especially up at that height, yeah.
599
00:32:39,420 --> 00:32:41,220
- [911 Operator] An officer
in the Highland City
600
00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:43,050
just sent me a message, he says, you know,
601
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:44,730
can we identify anything further, he says,
602
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:46,988
looks like three to four of 'em--
603
00:32:46,988 --> 00:32:48,447
- [Bushong] I'm seeing
three, I'm seeing three
604
00:32:48,447 --> 00:32:51,000
and they're separated by uh,
605
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,950
they look like a triangle on my scope.
606
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:57,753
I'm looking one around down by, let's see,
607
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,820
see, one down near South Haven.
608
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:05,490
I'm seeing another one over Lake Michigan,
609
00:33:05,490 --> 00:33:09,060
about Northwest Bent Harbor,
610
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:14,060
and another one over uh,
well East of Bent Harbor,
611
00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:16,983
which would be near, looks like Decatur.
612
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:19,290
I'm seeing three of those.
613
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:22,060
They're very strong, now
I'm getting another one down
614
00:33:23,078 --> 00:33:26,550
in Marion County, these are huge returns,
615
00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:28,840
I've never seen anything like this,
616
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,390
not even when I'm doing storms.
617
00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:32,640
These aren't storms.
618
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,472
They're like, they're just
popping up all over the place.
619
00:33:35,472 --> 00:33:36,305
- [911 Operator] This is strange activity,
620
00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:38,880
the officer says it's green and red lights
621
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,370
and does not look like an airplane.
622
00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:43,140
They come together and then they separate
623
00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:45,821
and they just keep
doing this all the time.
624
00:33:45,821 --> 00:33:46,654
- [Bushong] And he's seeing that,
625
00:33:46,654 --> 00:33:48,183
yeah, I'm seeing three returns,
626
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:54,128
(voice distorts) this is new.
627
00:33:54,128 --> 00:33:58,217
South Haven, it's like,
I wish I had more light--
628
00:33:58,217 --> 00:34:00,390
- [Narrator] Jack's
reaction to the behaviors
629
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:02,223
of these UAPS is uncanny.
630
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,940
They are always multicolored
631
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:09,480
and they always appear
to travel really fast.
632
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,240
They are able to use the
energy in the airspace
633
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,220
to get from point A to point B
634
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:15,820
a lot quicker than what we know.
635
00:34:17,135 --> 00:34:19,759
- [Bushong] The Northwest, by about,
636
00:34:19,759 --> 00:34:23,926
now I'm getting, now they
changed positions again.
637
00:34:25,387 --> 00:34:29,033
One about 20 miles west of South Haven.
638
00:34:30,085 --> 00:34:31,433
Another one just above, looks like the uh,
639
00:34:37,068 --> 00:34:39,780
Coloma, and the other one
640
00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:42,153
is just off the coast of Bent Harbor.
641
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:45,280
- [911 Operator] Wow, this is weird.
642
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,113
- [Bushong] Okay, now that one
643
00:34:46,113 --> 00:34:48,390
near South Haven has moved,
644
00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:50,673
it's moving further
out into Lake Michigan.
645
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:58,233
I'm getting 'em up,
okay, I'm getting a pop,
646
00:34:59,172 --> 00:35:02,962
now I'm getting four.
647
00:35:02,962 --> 00:35:06,153
No, yeah, I got four for a while.
648
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:09,750
Now I'm getting another one way down,
649
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:11,730
I did for a little while,
650
00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:13,443
these are all up around um,
651
00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:18,273
about between seven and 12,000 feet.
652
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:21,224
- [911 Operator] Oh, this is strange.
653
00:35:21,224 --> 00:35:22,561
This is strange.
- It's a little bit weird.
654
00:35:22,561 --> 00:35:25,142
- [Bushong] Yeah, I don't know if it's
655
00:35:25,142 --> 00:35:27,475
some kind of energy or it's,
656
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,753
the radar is picking up something.
657
00:35:32,479 --> 00:35:35,340
I wish we had a picture of this, but um--
658
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:36,173
- [911 Operator] I wanna find out
659
00:35:36,173 --> 00:35:37,613
exactly where he sees them once--
660
00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:38,827
- [Bushong] Yeah.
661
00:35:38,827 --> 00:35:42,093
- [Narrator] UAPs like this
typically remain unexplained.
662
00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:46,230
The erratic movements of these UAPs
663
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:48,960
really began to pick up
as they traveled South
664
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,453
towards Chicago and the
Indiana boarder line.
665
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,830
This also is the first time
666
00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:58,290
that officially documented reports
667
00:35:58,290 --> 00:36:00,330
show that the lights were in a V shape
668
00:36:00,330 --> 00:36:03,333
or in a triangular formation
while they were traveling.
669
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,570
They were sometimes separate,
670
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:08,997
and then they would come
back into a formation.
671
00:36:08,997 --> 00:36:11,753
- [911 Operator] Southwest
of (mutters) City,
672
00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:16,753
so that could be, that could be that one,
673
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:19,770
but that in Harbor picked up that high.
674
00:36:19,770 --> 00:36:21,063
This is really weird.
675
00:36:23,252 --> 00:36:26,077
- [Bushong] Yeah, I was getting four,
676
00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:29,493
okay, now they've moved position again.
677
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,330
And I'm sweeping it back and forth
678
00:36:33,330 --> 00:36:34,650
in kind of like a triangle,
679
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:37,920
just back and forth from
where the beam is spotted
680
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,770
towards Chicago, then I
sweep it back towards,
681
00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:42,420
maybe Fort Wayne--
- Mmhmm.
682
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:44,400
- [Bushong] And each sweep,
683
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,470
they'll be in the same position
684
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:49,440
and then all of a sudden,
they'll pop up somewhere else.
685
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,960
So it's instantaneously moving
686
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,907
and I'm getting about
three and four return,
687
00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:02,430
and they look like
sweeping in the vertical,
688
00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:05,667
they look like very strong spikes.
689
00:37:05,667 --> 00:37:08,500
(muddled chatter)
690
00:37:09,622 --> 00:37:10,872
I'm getting um,
691
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:16,800
it's really weird.
692
00:37:23,338 --> 00:37:24,488
I don't know if I'm uh,
693
00:37:26,686 --> 00:37:28,110
these are bigger than planes.
694
00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:33,110
Usually a plane will pick
up as a little pinpoint,
695
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:35,730
but these are about, on my radar scope,
696
00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:37,983
these are about the size of maybe uh,
697
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:40,953
looks like a half centimeter across.
698
00:37:42,557 --> 00:37:46,440
(muddled speech) I'm gonna
try Grand Rapids once here too
699
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,440
and see if they can,
700
00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:51,473
see if they've got anything
that they're aware of once too.
701
00:37:52,635 --> 00:37:53,820
Okay, they look like they're moving,
702
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:56,670
they're all moving toward
the South, towards Chicago,
703
00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:58,920
there's three returns
moving towards Chicago,
704
00:38:00,791 --> 00:38:04,950
they're about over
center of Lake Michigan,
705
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:06,960
three of 'em in a triangle,
706
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,063
and they're about the Southern,
707
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,600
real Southern part of Lake Michigan,
708
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,133
probably just off the
coast of Marion County.
709
00:38:15,133 --> 00:38:17,070
- Okay.
- Just Northeast of Chicago.
710
00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:18,308
- [911 Operator] All right,
711
00:38:18,308 --> 00:38:19,141
I will give them a shout and we'll see
712
00:38:19,141 --> 00:38:20,280
what I can locate from them.
713
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,020
Thank you very much
714
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:22,853
- [Bushong] You're welcome.
715
00:38:22,853 --> 00:38:24,034
- All right, appreciate that.
- Yeah, no problem.
716
00:38:24,034 --> 00:38:27,390
- Yeah, bye bye.
- Bye bye. (phone rings)
717
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,970
- [Narrator] The triangulation
of eyewitness reports
718
00:38:29,970 --> 00:38:32,610
that included average
citizens making calls
719
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:35,430
to the local police department
about what they were seeing
720
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:38,040
was backed up by officers on the ground
721
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,150
and eventually someone who
had access to a weather radar.
722
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:44,880
They all witnessed the same exact thing
723
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,100
across different spectrums.
724
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,320
The Ottawa County police dispatch
725
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,960
fielded over 60 calls that evening.
726
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840
The names and reports
were heavily documented,
727
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840
including eyewitness
reports from police officers
728
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,043
that were in the area.
729
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,360
Mr. Bushong wanted to make
sure that this wasn't a prank,
730
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,273
and what he was dealing
with was real in nature.
731
00:39:07,230 --> 00:39:09,540
So he called back just to verify
732
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:11,340
that he was really speaking to someone
733
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:13,533
from the Ottawa County police dispatch.
734
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,640
When strange things like
this occur on radar,
735
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,400
he needed to make a
report about the sighting
736
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,353
and provide it to his authorities.
737
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,220
Thankfully he had the call and recordings
738
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:30,150
of the radar to back up his
claims of what he was seeing.
739
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:33,030
With the weather radar
tracking these objects,
740
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:36,750
Mr. Bushong gave the
description of them being energy
741
00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:39,240
and not being able to make out an object
742
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,730
or identify what it was.
743
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:44,310
These anomalies would be classified
744
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:46,203
as unexplained aerial phenomenon.
745
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,610
The behaviors of this UAP
746
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:54,600
showed a manipulation between
the gravity and airspace
747
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,220
causing them to show up at
different places at great speeds.
748
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:00,690
This is also the first time
749
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:03,630
that officially documented reports show
750
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:08,253
that lights were in a V shape
or in a triangular formation.
751
00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:11,370
It's also important to state
752
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:13,440
that during the time of this sighting,
753
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,693
the Northern Lights were also on display.
754
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:18,480
Could this aerial phenomenon
755
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,613
have been a part of the Northern Lights?
756
00:40:22,290 --> 00:40:25,533
Something went on that
night over Lake Michigan.
757
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,170
Jack Bushong's reports caused a major stir
758
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:33,783
for his place of employment and himself.
759
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:38,430
The National Weather Service
Station that he worked at
760
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:40,380
eventually debunked the claims
761
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,380
and said that they were nothing
more than ground clutter
762
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:46,140
that showed up on the radar that night.
763
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:49,470
Eventually, Jack had to move from Michigan
764
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:52,080
and took a job at the National
Weather Service Station
765
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,143
in Atlanta where he later retired.
766
00:40:56,610 --> 00:41:00,360
He did make his way
back to Michigan in 2016
767
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,703
and he now investigates UFOs.
768
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,790
He continues to interview people
769
00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:09,540
that witnessed the event
on March 8th, 1994.
770
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:11,910
He came across one startling report
771
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:15,540
where witnesses were camping
at the base of Lake Michigan
772
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:18,390
when they noticed a craft over the lake.
773
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:20,070
They reported seeing the ship
774
00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:22,860
was pulling water from the lake.
775
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:24,900
It was about 30 feet high
776
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:26,823
and looked like a white waterfall.
777
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,260
Mr. Bushong confirmed this did happen
778
00:41:31,260 --> 00:41:34,140
around the time he was observing the craft
779
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:36,453
during the early hours of March 9th.
780
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:40,413
Something happened that
night over Lake Michigan.
781
00:41:41,490 --> 00:41:44,520
Where did they come from,
and most importantly,
782
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,170
where did they go?
783
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,867
This case remains unexplained.
784
00:41:48,867 --> 00:41:50,184
- [Operator] Okay, what
do you have there, sir?
785
00:41:50,184 --> 00:41:52,668
- [Caller] There were at least four lights
786
00:41:52,668 --> 00:41:54,772
and they were all flashing like,
787
00:41:54,772 --> 00:41:58,894
okay, there was a sequence,
it was kind of like a wreath,
788
00:41:58,894 --> 00:41:59,727
and it was four lights,
789
00:41:59,727 --> 00:42:01,230
and they were blinking back and forth,
790
00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:04,190
and there's no way, I mean,
a plane is not that wide.
791
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:05,910
- [Narrator] In just three short years,
792
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:09,032
the biggest and most
reported sighting in U.S.
793
00:42:09,032 --> 00:42:11,400
and UFO history took place.
794
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,860
It was a V shaped object that traveled
795
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:16,650
from Nevada to the Mexico boarder.
796
00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:18,480
- [Recorded Voice] Well let me uh,
797
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,610
state it for your documentary.
798
00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:22,625
When you talk to people,
799
00:42:22,625 --> 00:42:25,328
it's important for you
to ask the question,
800
00:42:25,328 --> 00:42:26,370
"What happened to the lights?"
801
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:27,210
- [Narrator] You're about to hear
802
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:30,600
from a former police sergeant
and a police dispatcher
803
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,940
who both were on duty
and witnessed the events
804
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:36,480
that took place on March 13, 1997.
805
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,410
- [Speaker] It's to the point now
806
00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:39,810
where you need to present
cold hard facts to people
807
00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:42,510
or else it's just not
gonna be listened to.
808
00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:45,630
- [Narrator] Before we get
into that, let me say this,
809
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:49,623
March of '97 was an interesting
month to say the least.
810
00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:54,273
On my birthday, the leader of
Heaven's Gate took his life.
811
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:58,020
Let me state this,
812
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:01,590
we do not condone the actions
of this group or individuals
813
00:43:01,590 --> 00:43:03,000
and we want to be respectful
814
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,700
of the families who lost loved ones.
815
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:09,270
If you don't know about Heaven's
Gate, or maybe you forgot,
816
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:10,773
let me refresh your memory.
817
00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:15,570
Heaven's Gate was a group
that many labeled as a cult,
818
00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:19,050
but technically, they were
classified as a religious group,
819
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:23,763
led by two people, Marshal
Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles.
820
00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:26,760
They both met in the 70s
821
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,830
and they hit it off from the start.
822
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:31,320
They went by the nicknames Ti and Do
823
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,060
and created what was even considered
824
00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:36,300
a new religious movement based in America.
825
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,900
This movement was founded by
UFO activities and beliefs.
826
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,060
They also believed that
they were the two witnesses
827
00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:43,533
in the Book of Revelations.
828
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:47,010
In modern pop culture films
like the "Phoenix Forgotten"
829
00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:48,990
or even the "Phoenix Incident,"
830
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:50,850
the people that are depicted
831
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:54,240
to have gone missing in the
desert or picked up by a ship,
832
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,640
are in fact representations of the people
833
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,650
who are part of Heaven's Gate.
834
00:43:58,650 --> 00:44:00,960
Some of the founding
beliefs of this movement
835
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,930
were that they would become
extraterrestrial beings,
836
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:05,850
ascend to the next level,
837
00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:08,883
and were going to board a ship
that was trailing a comet.
838
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,750
These beliefs were something
that Bonnie and Marshal
839
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:15,903
fully believed and preached
to their followers.
840
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:19,230
They both believed that
they were here to fulfill
841
00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:22,260
biblical prophesies
and Applewhite believed
842
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,963
he had a blood relation to Jesus himself.
843
00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:29,070
In 1976, they stopped recruiting
844
00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:31,570
and began to disappear
from the eye of the public.
845
00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:37,683
Sadly, Bonnie Nettles passed away in 1985.
846
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:41,070
Marshal Applewhite
continued on with preaching
847
00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:44,610
to his followers that they
would board an alien ship
848
00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:46,113
that was following a comet.
849
00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:52,130
Well, on July 23rd, 1995,
a comet was discovered
850
00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:57,030
and later named Hale-Bopp
after those who found it,
851
00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:01,523
Thomas Bopp and Alan
Hale, and to top it off,
852
00:45:01,523 --> 00:45:05,850
an amateur astronomer by
the name of Chuck Schramet
853
00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:09,633
photographed a strange object
trailing the Hale-Bopp comet.
854
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:17,100
Also, a professor at
Emery University announced
855
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:20,073
that an alien craft was in
fact trailing the comet.
856
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:22,920
How would Bonnie and Marshal know
857
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,240
that a comet would fly past
Earth, before it was discovered,
858
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,280
and how would they know that some object
859
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,753
would be trailing the comet?
860
00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:35,820
The closest flyby of Earth
by the Hale-Bopp comet
861
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:38,763
was in between March 22 and April 7th.
862
00:45:40,110 --> 00:45:42,690
The Phoenix lights story over the years
863
00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:46,080
has become diluted with
some misleading information.
864
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,050
On the night of March 13th, 1997,
865
00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:51,870
a group of people did not go missing.
866
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:54,330
There was not just one event
867
00:45:54,330 --> 00:45:57,120
and the 13th was not the only night
868
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,470
the lights were in the sky.
869
00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:01,890
As a witness to the Phoenix lights,
870
00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:05,610
flares cannot travel in
formation from Nevada
871
00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:07,350
to Southern Arizona.
872
00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:09,270
That doesn't mean that flares weren't used
873
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:12,690
later that evening over
the Goldwater Range.
874
00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:14,760
The Goldwater Range in the past
875
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,310
was called Luke Air Force Range.
876
00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:18,960
We have shown that this area
877
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,273
is in some of the pages
of Project Blue Book.
878
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:24,330
The night of March 13th,
879
00:46:24,330 --> 00:46:27,120
multiple events took
place over this range,
880
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,893
including the use of flares.
881
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:32,040
Here are two people
882
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,980
that have not shared
their stories until now.
883
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:37,830
Both were in law enforcement at the time
884
00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:40,410
and not only did they see a craft,
885
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:42,660
they saw a craft at different times,
886
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:44,760
and at different locations that differ
887
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,230
from the popular reports.
888
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:49,683
- [Speaker] Would you put
me on at 14910, Northeast?
889
00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:54,540
Two four straight, been
making contact with the uh--
890
00:46:54,540 --> 00:46:57,450
- Well, my name is Elizabeth Compton.
891
00:46:57,450 --> 00:46:58,770
At the time this happened,
892
00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:01,330
I was working for the
Youngstown Police Department
893
00:47:02,310 --> 00:47:05,670
and it was a fairly
busy shift, as I recall,
894
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:08,490
you know, we had a lot of stuff going down
895
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:10,830
and they were up at the
district three-jail booking
896
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:12,570
and I had a couple of
'em that had stopped off,
897
00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:14,970
you know, for lunch, so
everybody was inside.
898
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:16,720
So I had a minute or two to breath.
899
00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:20,280
Well, on this particular
night, I was out there,
900
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,013
and then I saw coming,
like from this direction,
901
00:47:23,850 --> 00:47:27,930
and moving slow, I saw
these five beautiful lights,
902
00:47:27,930 --> 00:47:29,107
and at first I was thinking, "Oh,
903
00:47:29,107 --> 00:47:30,330
"that must be the Air Force,"
904
00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:33,150
'cause Luke Air Force
Base isn't too far away,
905
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:34,380
and then I realized, no,
906
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:37,290
those can't be fighter
jets flying in formation
907
00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:39,990
'cause for one thing,
it was going too slow
908
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:42,930
and then I thought maybe
it was helicopters,
909
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:44,820
and then I realized it
wasn't helicopters either
910
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:46,410
'cause helicopters, even
when they're flying,
911
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:48,540
you know, they can still
do that little wobble,
912
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:49,860
you know, like they do in the air?
913
00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:51,750
These weren't doing that,
they were too perfect,
914
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:55,260
and then I realized there was no noise.
915
00:47:55,260 --> 00:47:56,580
Even the crickets stopped chirping,
916
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:59,130
there were no dogs barking,
everything was just dead silent
917
00:47:59,130 --> 00:48:02,130
and I was just absolutely
mesmerized by that thing.
918
00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:03,030
I didn't know what it was,
919
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:06,150
I don't know how long I
stood there staring at it,
920
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:07,980
and then the phone ringing
921
00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:11,250
and behind me kinda snapped me out of it,
922
00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:12,990
and so I pulled the door shut
923
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:14,010
and I went and answered the phone.
924
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:16,080
It was one of the officers
looking for his report number.
925
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,500
And then when I went back to
the back door, it was gone.
926
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,520
- [Interviewer] When you went
back to your normal shift,
927
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,060
did you receive any calls, 911,
928
00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:30,570
I'm assuming they would be
like 911 reports or something.
929
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:31,860
I don't know the correct term,
930
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:33,637
but any calls of, you know,
931
00:48:33,637 --> 00:48:37,890
"Hey, I saw something in
the sky," nothing like that?
932
00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:41,100
- Nothing, I received nothing like that.
933
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:42,450
So I figured if anything,
934
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:44,677
they were probably calling the Air Force,
935
00:48:44,677 --> 00:48:47,640
you know, 'cause some people,
they would call the Air Force
936
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,220
if they saw something
up there, and, in fact,
937
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,147
that's what we would advise
'em if they called and said,
938
00:48:52,147 --> 00:48:54,007
"Hey, I see something
in the sky," I'd say,
939
00:48:54,007 --> 00:48:56,310
"Well, call the Air Force
base and report it to them,"
940
00:48:56,310 --> 00:48:57,217
you know, "we're street cops,
941
00:48:57,217 --> 00:48:59,257
"we can't go up there
and see what's going on,
942
00:48:59,257 --> 00:49:01,590
"you need to call the
guys with the Air Force,"
943
00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:03,960
but I received no calls, which,
944
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,420
that was a little bit unusual
too 'cause I was thinking,
945
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:09,031
"Why aren't I getting any calls on that?"
946
00:49:09,031 --> 00:49:10,538
- [Radio Communication]
Yes ma'am, we'll be clear
947
00:49:10,538 --> 00:49:12,577
and 233 will be clear on an N4.
948
00:49:12,577 --> 00:49:14,167
- And I was just honest with them,
949
00:49:14,167 --> 00:49:16,087
"Yeah, I saw something in the sky."
950
00:49:16,087 --> 00:49:17,190
"Well what do you think it was?"
951
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:19,350
I said, "I thought it was pretty."
952
00:49:19,350 --> 00:49:22,020
I did not feel threatened in any way.
953
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:26,443
You know, I was just was more,
I don't know, mesmerized.
954
00:49:26,443 --> 00:49:27,690
Yeah, I'd just tell 'em, but, you know,
955
00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:28,807
and then I would tell the people, "Look,
956
00:49:28,807 --> 00:49:30,247
"if they had hostile intentions,
957
00:49:30,247 --> 00:49:32,167
"if they really are
from somewhere far away,
958
00:49:32,167 --> 00:49:34,627
"and they have the technology to get here,
959
00:49:34,627 --> 00:49:35,737
"if they were hostile,
960
00:49:35,737 --> 00:49:37,357
"do you think any of
us would still be here?
961
00:49:37,357 --> 00:49:39,270
"They could wipe us out."
962
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:40,927
I said, "If they had hostile intentions,
963
00:49:40,927 --> 00:49:42,957
"you would not be here,
I would not be here,"
964
00:49:42,957 --> 00:49:45,781
and I said, "Nobody would be here."
965
00:49:45,781 --> 00:49:48,727
And I said, "If anything,
I think they're just,
966
00:49:48,727 --> 00:49:50,827
"if it's anything from anywhere else,
967
00:49:50,827 --> 00:49:52,327
"they're here to take a look."
968
00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:55,350
I was facing the white
pink mountains, yes sir,
969
00:49:55,350 --> 00:49:57,450
and Luke Air Force Base
was off in that direction
970
00:49:57,450 --> 00:50:01,800
'cause Youngstown is like
from Grand and 111th Avenue,
971
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,050
and it goes down to Peoria Avenue
972
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:05,850
and it ends at the river bottom,
973
00:50:05,850 --> 00:50:07,050
the Agua Fria River bottom,
974
00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:08,880
and Luke Air Force Base is West of that.
975
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,287
So that's why I thought,
"Well it's probably something
976
00:50:11,287 --> 00:50:14,340
"from Luke Air Force Base,"
but again, the silence,
977
00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:16,380
that kinda blew my mind a little bit,
978
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:19,200
'cause I was like, planes are not silent.
979
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,860
This thing was just
barely moving at a crawl.
980
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:24,540
But then it also astounds me too,
981
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:26,040
'cause when I saw it, last saw it,
982
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,920
it was like right here,
over the white tanks,
983
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,990
then I went in, answered the phone,
984
00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:33,750
you know, "Hi, your report
number is, okay, see you later,"
985
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:36,420
hang up, go right back,
literally that long,
986
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:38,520
and when I opened the door, this was gone.
987
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,000
So if it had been just moving
still at that same pace,
988
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,080
it might have been to, like,
there, at that same pace,
989
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,730
but it was gone when I
went back to the door.
990
00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:48,563
So I don't know.
991
00:50:49,950 --> 00:50:52,380
- [Interviewer] We'll have
another conversation about this.
992
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:54,158
- Yeah.
- At another time.
993
00:50:54,158 --> 00:50:55,543
- Yeah.
- But uh,
994
00:50:55,543 --> 00:50:57,511
this is interesting to me.
995
00:50:57,511 --> 00:50:59,921
That is an area of interest
that-- (voice fades)
996
00:50:59,921 --> 00:51:03,754
(indiscernible radio chatter)
997
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:12,130
(radio chatter continues)
998
00:51:17,166 --> 00:51:18,867
- [Speaker] You know, he had called me
999
00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:22,274
and he knows I don't talk about it.
1000
00:51:22,274 --> 00:51:25,440
You know, I've had people over
the years ask me about it.
1001
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,203
I really don't say anything
much about it, you know.
1002
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:32,730
I've had conversations
with my kids about it,
1003
00:51:32,730 --> 00:51:35,550
and maybe some other close family members,
1004
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:38,250
but as far as public statements,
1005
00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:42,310
I don't make, and the
reason I don't make 'em
1006
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:48,230
is because I see myself as a, known as a,
1007
00:51:51,219 --> 00:51:54,390
I wanna say (mutters) I
gotta use another word.
1008
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:59,090
I'm nervous, but (mutters) you know?
1009
00:51:59,090 --> 00:52:01,500
And then at the same time,
1010
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,170
what I was doing could be verified.
1011
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:05,130
- [Interviewer] Yeah, absolutely,
1012
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:06,840
I mean--
- You know what I'm saying?
1013
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,760
- You were a cop.
- So,
1014
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,410
in reality, that is a
dangerous place to be
1015
00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:16,680
if you have people who don't
want something to be known.
1016
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,880
You get what I'm saying?
1017
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,710
So, I've kept it to myself,
1018
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:26,040
not to discuss with anybody
or any group of people
1019
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,260
and I've had people here all the time,
1020
00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:31,507
and I just, you know, one thing
I ask people all the time,
1021
00:52:31,507 --> 00:52:32,879
"What's it like?"
1022
00:52:32,879 --> 00:52:34,560
And they can't tell me then (mutters)
1023
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,473
God knows you didn't
see nothing, you know?
1024
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,130
I know there's no way
you coulda, like I said,
1025
00:52:41,130 --> 00:52:42,540
no way you coulda saw those lights
1026
00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:44,712
and then you turned
and did something else,
1027
00:52:44,712 --> 00:52:46,920
and something else had to
take your attention away
1028
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:47,850
to where you couldn't do it,
1029
00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:50,250
but if you were able
to look at the lights,
1030
00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:51,420
you wouldn't have turned your head.
1031
00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:52,680
- Exactly.
- But again,
1032
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,430
you could stay in a situation where
1033
00:52:55,825 --> 00:52:59,130
the outside forces cause you
not to follow the lights,
1034
00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:00,300
like you're traveling in the car
1035
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,540
or something happened,
you just can't see 'em.
1036
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:07,860
So, I told Rico, I wanna talk to you
1037
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:09,000
only from the standpoint
1038
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,267
not to come out as a eyewitness to this,
1039
00:53:12,267 --> 00:53:15,370
but there's thousands of 'em out there.
1040
00:53:15,370 --> 00:53:17,523
- Yep.
- But more of to make sure
1041
00:53:17,523 --> 00:53:20,100
that when you talk to somebody,
1042
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,340
you know whether or not
they saw the lights or not,
1043
00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:25,190
or they're just part of the groupies.
1044
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:28,200
And for myself,
1045
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,096
and let's not exclude what
happened to the lights,
1046
00:53:31,096 --> 00:53:31,929
there isn't actual footage,
1047
00:53:31,929 --> 00:53:33,720
because if you had a camera on it,
1048
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,180
you definitely didn't turn the camera off.
1049
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:41,040
So, yeah, you show me footage
of just lights, it's not true.
1050
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,110
That's what I mean is that
1051
00:53:43,110 --> 00:53:45,733
people ask and I ask 'em,
"What happened to the lights?"
1052
00:53:45,733 --> 00:53:47,733
Well, what does your film show?
1053
00:53:48,684 --> 00:53:51,101
And if you can't, you know, (muttering)
1054
00:53:51,101 --> 00:53:51,934
you can't show me what
happened to the lights,
1055
00:53:51,934 --> 00:53:53,970
then you didn't see it.
1056
00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:56,370
- [Interviewer] One thing
I would like you to do is
1057
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:02,240
explain what it's like being
a Phoenix police officer
1058
00:54:03,149 --> 00:54:05,045
in 1997.
1059
00:54:05,045 --> 00:54:09,563
- [Speaker] Well, there's uh,
1060
00:54:09,563 --> 00:54:13,013
it was kind of uh, kind
of awkward, you know,
1061
00:54:13,013 --> 00:54:16,620
being an African American law enforcement.
1062
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:21,300
You know, you have the law
enforcement side of things
1063
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:25,650
that you are, you know, that you live,
1064
00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:27,960
that you live, it's your livelihood,
1065
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,647
and then you have the
African American side of it
1066
00:54:30,647 --> 00:54:35,647
and that was during the
time of AWA, you know,
1067
00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:38,880
that type of music about, you know,
1068
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,490
police and persons in Black communities,
1069
00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:44,611
Rodney King, all that kind of stuff.
1070
00:54:44,611 --> 00:54:46,463
You know, so you're kind
of stuck in the middle,
1071
00:54:47,340 --> 00:54:50,430
trying to figure out, you
know, which way to look,
1072
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:51,663
or how to look.
1073
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:56,370
They were interesting times.
1074
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:58,049
They were real interesting times.
1075
00:54:58,049 --> 00:54:59,880
I mean, I was a police
sergeant at the time
1076
00:55:00,953 --> 00:55:02,103
when all this occurred.
1077
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:07,530
- [Interviewer] Your perspective on this,
1078
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:10,770
especially painting
that picture of the 90s,
1079
00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:13,800
or at least '97, that's huge, you know,
1080
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,620
especially coming, you
know, from a sergeant.
1081
00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:18,210
So--
- Mmhmm.
1082
00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:20,463
- [Interviewer] March 13th, Thursday,
1083
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:25,020
you know, early evening,
what are you doing?
1084
00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:27,330
- [Speaker] Well, early evening,
1085
00:55:27,330 --> 00:55:30,124
I'm just starting my shift.
1086
00:55:30,124 --> 00:55:33,110
I should have started
about 8:30, 8:30 or 9:00
1087
00:55:33,110 --> 00:55:34,530
is when my shift started.
1088
00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:36,900
I was working third shift at the time.
1089
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:39,787
At that time, I'm based out of Ahwatukee
1090
00:55:39,787 --> 00:55:40,800
They got a little cell station there,
1091
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,590
48th Street and Ray Road.
1092
00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,860
So I'm basically monitoring Ahwatukee
1093
00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:48,940
and South side of Phoenix
1094
00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:54,063
'cause there's no sergeant
lieutenant around at the time,
1095
00:55:54,063 --> 00:55:55,620
they were busy on something else.
1096
00:55:55,620 --> 00:56:00,620
But all Ahwatukee Foothills
and top mountainside
1097
00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:04,923
from central to Tempe, up to Van Buren.
1098
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,983
I'm just out on patrol at the time.
1099
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,170
- [Interviewer] Okay,
1100
00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:14,550
so you have, it just
keeps getting interesting
1101
00:56:14,550 --> 00:56:19,550
because you have a
perspective further South--
1102
00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:23,140
- Yeah.
- Than what, all right, okay.
1103
00:56:24,301 --> 00:56:27,284
- [Speaker] So I see everything
1104
00:56:27,284 --> 00:56:30,387
from the other side of the mountain.
1105
00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:33,030
- [Interviewer] And it's pretty
much open view over there.
1106
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:35,700
Paint the picture for
me, sun's going down,
1107
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,370
is it completely dark, you're in your car?
1108
00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:40,950
- [Speaker] Oh, it was absolutely dark,
1109
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:43,870
had to be later than
9:30, 10:00 when I saw it
1110
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:49,050
'cause it was dark and there
was not a lot of traffic.
1111
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:50,450
I was (mutters) by 8:00, so,
1112
00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:55,053
it didn't have to be that late.
1113
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,790
But, you know, late enough to where
1114
00:56:57,790 --> 00:57:00,615
there was very little traffic out there.
1115
00:57:00,615 --> 00:57:02,910
There was very little
traffic on the baseline also.
1116
00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:05,610
So the times, it just seems to me,
1117
00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:08,370
the time was much later,
I can't remember a time.
1118
00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:10,050
The time must have been more like
1119
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:13,953
around 10:30, 11:00, 10:30, 12:00,
1120
00:57:13,953 --> 00:57:18,953
well then I think about
the activities going on.
1121
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:23,043
Well, what I see are the
lights coming from the West.
1122
00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:30,590
Like our West, lights shaped
in, like a uneven boomerang.
1123
00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:40,020
Is how I saw it, you know,
shaped like a boomerang,
1124
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:43,110
a triangle, moving a triangle,
1125
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:46,104
but like a boomerang with
more lights on the left
1126
00:57:46,104 --> 00:57:47,640
than there were on the right.
1127
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,300
So it's coming westbound, I'm
coming eastbound from the west
1128
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:53,370
so I can't really tell what it's over
1129
00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:55,740
because like if I'm in Ahwatukee,
1130
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:59,970
driving toward the north
side, and I see it coming,
1131
00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:02,157
I'm trying to figure out what it is.
1132
00:58:02,157 --> 00:58:03,960
And I then I stopped and
just kind of watched it
1133
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,317
slowly move across the city,
1134
00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:10,170
but I can't tell if it's
going over Central Phoenix
1135
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:12,657
or it's going over South
end, it's just big.
1136
00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:18,337
- [Interviewer] I believe
there were more than that one.
1137
00:58:20,116 --> 00:58:21,418
- [Speaker] It was.
1138
00:58:21,418 --> 00:58:23,100
(voices overlap) I know
it had to be after 9:30
1139
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:24,723
'cause I wasn't at work yet.
1140
00:58:26,337 --> 00:58:29,583
It had to be between 9:30 and midnight.
1141
00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:33,270
- [Interviewer] When
it's coming towards you,
1142
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:37,380
does it veer in any direction?
1143
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:39,123
Does it go over?
1144
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,490
What does it do?
1145
00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:45,540
- [Speaker] Okay, the
lights, or what I saw,
1146
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:47,310
or probably the pilots saw,
1147
00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:48,987
they had to been that time of night
1148
00:58:48,987 --> 00:58:50,640
for what was going on.
1149
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,160
It wasn't early, there wasn't
a lot of people around,
1150
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,140
so it had to be late.
1151
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:57,690
That's why, I keep hearing 8:00, 8:30,
1152
00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:59,661
I'm like, no, it couldn't
have been 8:00, 8:30,
1153
00:58:59,661 --> 00:59:00,983
I wasn't even at work then.
1154
00:59:02,195 --> 00:59:05,830
The light that I saw
had to happen, really,
1155
00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:07,830
I think it had to happen
1156
00:59:07,830 --> 00:59:10,107
between 11:00 and 2:00 in the morning
1157
00:59:10,107 --> 00:59:13,200
and the reason I say that
because nobody was around,
1158
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,483
you know, the police radio was quiet.
1159
00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:21,860
I was waiting to hear dispatchers state
1160
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:26,010
people are seeing things,
but nothing ever happened.
1161
00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:30,093
Not a word came on the radio at the time.
1162
00:59:32,130 --> 00:59:37,130
You know, and I was so stunned
by what happened, what I saw,
1163
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:41,610
that I went down to the precinct
on Southern and 7th Street,
1164
00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:44,040
I just went in to get in there,
1165
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,589
walked around to see if
anybody gonna say anything.
1166
00:59:46,589 --> 00:59:50,130
Nobody said anything, nothing
on the radio, no nothing,
1167
00:59:50,130 --> 00:59:53,760
at all, and the first time I heard anybody
1168
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,883
mention anything about
it was the next day,
1169
00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:01,350
people were calling in the next
morning about what they saw
1170
01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:03,570
and the governor, at the time,
1171
01:00:03,570 --> 01:00:06,687
was giving excuses, I guess you could say,
1172
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:09,840
what people might have saw.
1173
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,277
It was then that I knew
that I'm not saying anything
1174
01:00:13,277 --> 01:00:17,280
'cause there's no way
people didn't see what I saw
1175
01:00:19,017 --> 01:00:21,930
and obvious they don't want it to be known
1176
01:00:21,930 --> 01:00:24,030
as what I saw to be what it was.
1177
01:00:24,030 --> 01:00:26,397
So it was at that point that I decided
1178
01:00:26,397 --> 01:00:28,020
I'm not gonna say anything
because at that time,
1179
01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:31,080
I knew you're the police sergeant on duty
1180
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,231
and you can verify where I was at
1181
01:00:33,231 --> 01:00:37,080
and what I was doing by
radio and by computer,
1182
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,250
tracking the car and all that,
1183
01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:41,100
you can see that whatever
I figured would be true,
1184
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:44,520
and if it's not something that
should be known to everybody,
1185
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,045
somehow or anther,
1186
01:00:46,045 --> 01:00:51,045
I would be subject to
whatever needed to be done,
1187
01:00:51,625 --> 01:00:53,725
let me keep my feelings to myself.
1188
01:00:53,725 --> 01:00:55,080
'Cause I knew enough about
being a police officer
1189
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,460
as long as I had been
that there are things
1190
01:00:56,460 --> 01:00:59,152
the public needs to know and
things they don't need to know.
1191
01:00:59,152 --> 01:01:00,780
- Exactly.
- You know.
1192
01:01:00,780 --> 01:01:04,680
I understand that very
clearly just in my job alone.
1193
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,750
You know, working the streets at night,
1194
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:08,940
you go out there and do your police work
1195
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:13,360
and you have homicides, you
have death, all these things,
1196
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,193
the greatest thing you can do,
1197
01:01:14,193 --> 01:01:16,600
get the streets cleaned
up before anybody wake up.
1198
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,180
So they can have their
normal day, you know.
1199
01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:25,050
They may hear about tragedy
that happened on the news,
1200
01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:26,220
but they didn't see it,
1201
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:28,170
so it doesn't become a conscious thing.
1202
01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:31,800
They just get back on the road
1203
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,800
and going through like nothing happened.
1204
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,720
So for me, it was like, well,
1205
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,968
this is one of those situations
1206
01:01:37,968 --> 01:01:39,210
where the public don't need to know.
1207
01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:42,870
Until a government worker
says what was going on,
1208
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:45,090
I'm gonna keep this to myself.
1209
01:01:45,090 --> 01:01:48,030
I share with my own kids
from the standpoint of
1210
01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:50,467
I tell them, "You must understand,
1211
01:01:50,467 --> 01:01:52,483
"there is much more to this world
1212
01:01:52,483 --> 01:01:53,797
"than what they're willing to let you see.
1213
01:01:53,797 --> 01:01:57,967
"You must open your eyes and
your ears and your sixth sense
1214
01:01:57,967 --> 01:02:01,140
"to what's truly out there in (mutters)
1215
01:02:02,209 --> 01:02:04,509
"'Cause what they're
showing you is not true."
1216
01:02:05,862 --> 01:02:08,400
(voices overlap) I never told them
1217
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,753
what happened to the lights,
1218
01:02:09,753 --> 01:02:10,586
I didn't tell nobody what
happened with the lights.
1219
01:02:10,586 --> 01:02:13,230
The only reason I'm telling you
1220
01:02:13,230 --> 01:02:15,660
is because you're doing a documentary
1221
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:17,707
and I want you to ask that question,
1222
01:02:17,707 --> 01:02:19,770
"What happened to the lights?"
1223
01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:22,950
And the only way, again,
1224
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:27,950
that you should accept their
description of what happened
1225
01:02:28,107 --> 01:02:32,588
is if their reasoning about
what happened to the lights
1226
01:02:32,588 --> 01:02:33,421
makes sense.
1227
01:02:33,421 --> 01:02:35,280
They're not there now,
1228
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,380
and then all of a
sudden, they're gone, no.
1229
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:40,743
- [Interviewer] Were they near
the mountain ranges anywhere?
1230
01:02:41,730 --> 01:02:43,890
- [Speaker] They were closer
to the South Mountain Range,
1231
01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:45,930
they were up North 'cause I thought
1232
01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:47,785
they were flying were I'm seeing,
1233
01:02:47,785 --> 01:02:48,618
the way I'm looking at 'em,
1234
01:02:48,618 --> 01:02:52,110
but it's so big, they were very wide,
1235
01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:55,965
so, but they were close
to the mountainside.
1236
01:02:55,965 --> 01:02:58,650
They didn't cross over
the mountain at all.
1237
01:02:58,650 --> 01:03:03,650
If I was to guess, I would
say I'm at 48th Street,
1238
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:05,580
and they're at 51st Avenue.
1239
01:03:05,580 --> 01:03:07,473
Look they're so big, they look close.
1240
01:03:09,607 --> 01:03:12,210
I mean, it's a wide spread, the lights.
1241
01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:14,490
I can't see what the
lights are attached to,
1242
01:03:14,490 --> 01:03:15,930
I can just see the lights.
1243
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:17,862
That's why I say it had to be far away
1244
01:03:17,862 --> 01:03:20,221
'cause all I could see is
lights and not necessarily,
1245
01:03:20,221 --> 01:03:22,800
you know how you could see a
car headlights in the distance?
1246
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,540
All you see is the lights?
1247
01:03:24,540 --> 01:03:25,470
- Yeah.
- As you get closer,
1248
01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:28,170
you see the lights and
the car, but in this case,
1249
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:30,373
I couldn't see the body
the lights were on,
1250
01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:31,680
I just see the lights.
1251
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,530
That's why I say they had to be far away.
1252
01:03:34,530 --> 01:03:38,900
So for myself, as I say, I
don't look up in the sky anymore
1253
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:43,230
'cause I do not need any
proof of anything anymore.
1254
01:03:43,230 --> 01:03:45,570
I don't need verification
'cause I saw what I saw
1255
01:03:45,570 --> 01:03:48,573
and you can't tell me what
I didn't see, you know.
1256
01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:53,430
And I got there before 'cause of my,
1257
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:54,753
what I was doing at the time,
1258
01:03:54,753 --> 01:03:58,960
that just makes me more
safe, more verifiable,
1259
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,944
'cause you can just check all the records
1260
01:04:00,944 --> 01:04:03,120
and see where I was at
and what I was doin'.
1261
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,790
And the mere fact that nothing
came over the police radio
1262
01:04:05,790 --> 01:04:09,600
at all, and then you go into the precinct
1263
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,817
and nobody said anything, you know,
1264
01:04:12,817 --> 01:04:15,420
I mean, the station was empty
anyway without no police.
1265
01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:17,430
There were no officers around except for
1266
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:18,480
the clerk at the counter,
1267
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,120
maybe a couple officers doing paperwork,
1268
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,505
but I kinda hung around the office
1269
01:04:23,505 --> 01:04:24,780
about an hour, hour and a half,
1270
01:04:24,780 --> 01:04:28,395
just, if somebody would
just say something,
1271
01:04:28,395 --> 01:04:30,090
something came over the police radio.
1272
01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:32,250
Like I said, ain't nothing come out
1273
01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:34,820
until the next morning,
I saw it on the news.
1274
01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:37,590
- [Interviewer] So I'm
looking at it right now.
1275
01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:40,290
The reports that came in
that started to come in,
1276
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:45,290
they started at 7:55 in Henderson, Nevada.
1277
01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:51,900
I'm not too familiar with the
Henderson area, so you know--
1278
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:55,050
- [Speaker] Henderson is like
a suburb of Vegas almost.
1279
01:04:55,050 --> 01:04:56,400
They are pretty much attached.
1280
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,733
You cross the street and, you
know, and you're in Vegas.
1281
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:04,080
And it's on the south end of town,
1282
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,704
it was just below the
highway that connected
1283
01:05:07,704 --> 01:05:10,083
the 15 to Henderson.
1284
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:12,600
That was south of McCarran Airport,
1285
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,770
but anyways, I was working
what they call a crusher,
1286
01:05:16,770 --> 01:05:19,560
and a crusher is a piece
of equipment that crushes,
1287
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,920
you know, big rock, concrete,
and stuff, into small rock,
1288
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,800
and they use it for road base
and all that kind of stuff,
1289
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,780
for building highways and stuff.
1290
01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:31,620
But we were working at
night and I'm used to seeing
1291
01:05:31,620 --> 01:05:35,700
all the air traffic
coming in from the east
1292
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:38,130
to land at McCarran
Airport, that was common.
1293
01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:40,790
I mean, there was planes
lined up all the time,
1294
01:05:40,790 --> 01:05:43,890
and then I'm used to seeing
all the planes to the north
1295
01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:47,190
that come straight from
the north to the south
1296
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:51,783
and line up and land at
Nellis Air Force Base.
1297
01:05:53,130 --> 01:05:56,460
That's common every night kind of thing.
1298
01:05:56,460 --> 01:06:01,460
And since I was on the south end of town,
1299
01:06:03,030 --> 01:06:05,130
the piece of equipment that
I was running was a loader
1300
01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:07,860
and I'm loading the plant
with rocks, you know,
1301
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,930
to turn into a base.
1302
01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:12,180
So every time I went to load the plant,
1303
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:14,370
I'm looking straight north,
1304
01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:17,460
and my father and
grandfather are both pilots
1305
01:06:17,460 --> 01:06:19,290
and I've been around
aircraft since, you know,
1306
01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:22,170
as far back as a baby,
1307
01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:24,780
so I understand how
aircraft work, you know,
1308
01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:25,890
they're perpetual motion,
1309
01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:28,650
they have to stay moving
to stay in the air.
1310
01:06:28,650 --> 01:06:31,470
I don't know how I remembered
noticing the lights,
1311
01:06:31,470 --> 01:06:33,780
but you know, I noticed a couple lights
1312
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:37,260
and I went back, I get
more rock, you know,
1313
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:39,180
scoop it up with a bucket and I go back
1314
01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:42,390
and I'm just, you know, I
just keep seeing these lights
1315
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:44,370
and they just look unusual to me.
1316
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:46,740
It's like, well that's not traffic
1317
01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:48,450
coming in to either one of the airports,
1318
01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:50,340
that's, can't be helicopters, you know,
1319
01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:52,390
they're perfectly spaced, it seemed like,
1320
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:56,373
and it just didn't make any sense to me.
1321
01:06:57,450 --> 01:06:59,970
So, you know, I just kept
watching and kept watching,
1322
01:06:59,970 --> 01:07:01,350
and kept watching, they
were there for like,
1323
01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:04,140
you know, I'd say probably 45 minutes,
1324
01:07:04,140 --> 01:07:06,270
you know, or better, you know?
1325
01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:08,130
And finally I stopped
1326
01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:09,577
and I yelled at the guy
in the crushers, says,
1327
01:07:09,577 --> 01:07:12,673
"Hey, look at that," and he
stood there for a few minutes
1328
01:07:12,673 --> 01:07:14,010
and looked at it and just
shrugged his shoulder,
1329
01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:15,990
like, you know, he didn't
know what it was either,
1330
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:19,680
and as you know, if you're
familiar with Vegas,
1331
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,320
Nellis Air Force Base is
on the north end of town,
1332
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,030
on the very north end,
1333
01:07:24,030 --> 01:07:29,030
and to the west of that,
farther north, is Area 51.
1334
01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:34,490
And all that area in between
Area 51 and the highway
1335
01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:38,550
is all pretty much Nellis Air
Force Base training grounds.
1336
01:07:38,550 --> 01:07:41,880
So it all looked like it
was that far north of town.
1337
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,660
I remember going over someplace,
I was at somebody's house,
1338
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,550
and then this thing came on the news
1339
01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:48,990
about the lights over Phoenix
1340
01:07:48,990 --> 01:07:52,650
and when I saw the lights that
they had taken pictures of,
1341
01:07:52,650 --> 01:07:57,037
I'm like, "Holy crap, that is
the exact same thing I saw,
1342
01:07:57,037 --> 01:07:58,557
"north of Vegas."
1343
01:07:59,580 --> 01:08:01,680
I mean, it literally looked the same.
1344
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,310
It had that same, it didn't
look as curved as the ones
1345
01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:07,350
I seen in the Vegas thing,
1346
01:08:07,350 --> 01:08:09,780
but it looked exactly spaced out
1347
01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:12,308
and looked just like those lights.
1348
01:08:12,308 --> 01:08:15,270
And I know that they tried
to say the ones in Phoenix
1349
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:16,353
were flares.
1350
01:08:17,190 --> 01:08:19,915
I've seen flares, now I've
done search and rescue,
1351
01:08:19,915 --> 01:08:22,050
I've been around flares.
1352
01:08:22,050 --> 01:08:25,170
Flares go up in the sky
for a couple of minutes
1353
01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:28,320
and they sway back and
forth as they come down
1354
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,210
and they give a shimmering light.
1355
01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:32,490
These stayed up there, you know,
1356
01:08:32,490 --> 01:08:35,430
for like 45 minutes at least.
1357
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:38,250
And they didn't move and it just,
1358
01:08:38,250 --> 01:08:39,800
it didn't make any sense to me.
1359
01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:43,920
What I saw was exactly what was
1360
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,533
in those pictures from Phoenix.
1361
01:08:47,525 --> 01:08:50,343
They were more toward Area 51,
1362
01:08:51,224 --> 01:08:53,280
but they weren't that far
away, I don't believe.
1363
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,810
I don't know, you know,
1364
01:08:54,810 --> 01:08:57,793
I couldn't tell how far
away they were, you know?
1365
01:08:57,793 --> 01:08:59,640
I just know that it was unusual.
1366
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,770
It looked like, if you're
familiar with Vegas,
1367
01:09:01,770 --> 01:09:03,390
on the north end of Vegas,
1368
01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:04,770
there's a mountain range there.
1369
01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:05,790
- [Interviewer] Yep.
1370
01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:06,930
- [Speaker] And it goes across.
1371
01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:09,840
And highway 15 goes up one side of it
1372
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,660
and then highway 95
goes up the other side,
1373
01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:15,903
toward Western Nevada.
1374
01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:20,100
And that mountian range
goes all across there
1375
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:23,130
and that's all Nellis Air Force Base.
1376
01:09:23,130 --> 01:09:25,230
And that's where it was, it wasn't,
1377
01:09:25,230 --> 01:09:26,790
I believe all the lights that I saw
1378
01:09:26,790 --> 01:09:28,620
were maybe six to eight lights.
1379
01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:30,063
I never saw more than that.
1380
01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:33,400
- [Interviewer] The next report comes from
1381
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:39,470
Paulden, Arizona, by another
police officer at about 8:10.
1382
01:09:41,821 --> 01:09:42,654
- [Speaker] Where was this at?
1383
01:09:42,654 --> 01:09:44,250
- [Interviewer] This
was in Paulden, Arizona,
1384
01:09:44,250 --> 01:09:46,623
and this is verified information.
1385
01:09:48,330 --> 01:09:52,983
At 8:15,
1386
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:59,140
you have the Lay family at North Phoenix,
1387
01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:05,910
I was at Sky Harbor, my bus was late.
1388
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:10,530
Normally the last, I catch
the second to the last bus.
1389
01:10:10,530 --> 01:10:14,490
The bus I was on, the redline, was late.
1390
01:10:14,490 --> 01:10:19,490
That was about 8:15, 8:30-ish,
1391
01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:22,140
when we crossed over the bridge
1392
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:25,620
and when I first saw the lights,
1393
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:27,870
that was, I would say, about 8:15, 8:30.
1394
01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:29,936
Here's--
- What you saw,
1395
01:10:29,936 --> 01:10:32,040
and what I'm talking
about are not the same.
1396
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,502
- [Interviewer] No, absolutely
not, absolutely not.
1397
01:10:35,502 --> 01:10:38,280
I think all together, that night,
1398
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,670
I boiled it down to about
nine different events,
1399
01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:45,300
totalling 'til about 3:00 that morning.
1400
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:46,133
- [Speaker] That's why I said
1401
01:10:46,133 --> 01:10:48,033
it had to be between 11:00
and 2:00 in the morning,
1402
01:10:48,033 --> 01:10:51,000
but it's, the lights showed
that I'm talking about,
1403
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,370
and probably what that
pilot was talking about.
1404
01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:56,100
And like I said before, you know,
1405
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:59,607
I never told Rico about
what happened to the light,
1406
01:10:59,607 --> 01:11:00,463
he acknowledged what
happened to the light,
1407
01:11:00,463 --> 01:11:03,060
I just won't tell him, you know?
1408
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:04,920
The only reason I'm telling you,
1409
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,327
that's truly something you
want to keep to yourself
1410
01:11:07,327 --> 01:11:11,680
as your, the card that you hide
1411
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,840
because that's gonna help you understand
1412
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:17,850
which light they might have saw
1413
01:11:17,850 --> 01:11:20,310
and if they actually saw the light.
1414
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:22,260
- [Interviewer] What I'm
interested in knowing
1415
01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:25,050
is because where you're at,
1416
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:27,783
your southeast part of the city,
1417
01:11:28,740 --> 01:11:33,740
seeing them come straight
from the West to the East,
1418
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,110
right, behind that mountain,
1419
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:41,670
so when they, you know,
they're coming towards you--
1420
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:42,570
- [Speaker] Right.
1421
01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:44,580
- [Interviewer] What did they do?
1422
01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:45,723
Where did they go?
1423
01:11:46,864 --> 01:11:48,450
- [Speaker] Okay, now this is key for you,
1424
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:51,753
when you're talking to folks,
what happened to the lights?
1425
01:11:53,266 --> 01:11:54,300
Okay?
1426
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,362
And this is something you
have to keep to yourself
1427
01:11:56,362 --> 01:11:57,210
if you're gonna be able to identify
1428
01:11:57,210 --> 01:11:58,970
who's telling you the truth,
1429
01:11:58,970 --> 01:12:02,220
or who's just talking to
get part of the bandwagon.
1430
01:12:02,220 --> 01:12:04,140
Before the lights crossed my path,
1431
01:12:04,140 --> 01:12:07,710
like I would say about 48th Street,
1432
01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:11,670
before they crossed my
path, all of a sudden--
1433
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:13,050
- [Narrator] The story
of the Phoenix lights
1434
01:12:13,050 --> 01:12:15,360
has become diluted with
some false information
1435
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,920
over the years.
1436
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,530
Sensationalized as just one event
1437
01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:21,303
that only happened in one night.
1438
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,393
Learn what happened to the
lights in the upcoming movie.
1439
01:12:28,108 --> 01:12:31,608
(rhythmic dramatic music)
1440
01:12:37,503 --> 01:12:41,836
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1441
01:12:47,589 --> 01:12:51,922
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1442
01:12:57,298 --> 01:13:01,631
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1443
01:13:07,452 --> 01:13:11,785
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1444
01:13:17,274 --> 01:13:21,607
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1445
01:13:27,337 --> 01:13:31,670
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1446
01:13:37,464 --> 01:13:41,797
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1447
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,733
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1448
01:13:57,434 --> 01:14:01,767
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1449
01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:11,803
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1450
01:14:17,290 --> 01:14:21,623
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
1451
01:14:27,455 --> 01:14:31,788
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1452
01:14:37,179 --> 01:14:41,512
(rhythmic dramatic music continues)
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