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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,067 --> 00:00:06,067 (gentle peaceful music) (glass tinkles) 2 00:00:09,539 --> 00:00:12,872 (gentle dramatic music) 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:20,845 - [Speaker] Yeah, that's a good boy. 4 00:00:20,845 --> 00:00:24,899 (thunder crashing) (quiet talking) 5 00:00:24,899 --> 00:00:28,399 (dramatic rhythmic music) 6 00:00:32,099 --> 00:00:33,312 - [Speaker] Hello? 7 00:00:33,312 --> 00:00:38,312 (scrambled chatter) (crackling static) 8 00:00:40,423 --> 00:00:43,340 (crackling static) 9 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:52,200 - [Narrator] It can be said with confidence 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,203 what we are witnessing and filming here at ground level, 11 00:00:56,490 --> 00:01:00,098 they are also recording that same data out in space. 12 00:01:00,098 --> 00:01:03,931 (dramatic otherworldly music) 13 00:01:08,721 --> 00:01:13,388 (dramatic otherworldly music continues) 14 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:19,260 This UAP shows how antigravity works 15 00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:21,630 on extraterrestrial vehicles. 16 00:01:21,630 --> 00:01:23,100 By the early 90s, 17 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:25,650 we already had a couple of these in our possession. 18 00:01:27,231 --> 00:01:30,564 (gentle dramatic music) 19 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,980 We know this because of Bob Lazar openly discussing 20 00:01:37,980 --> 00:01:40,320 his previous employer and what he worked on 21 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:41,420 in the Nevada dessert. 22 00:01:42,540 --> 00:01:44,820 The behaviors of this UAP 23 00:01:44,820 --> 00:01:46,890 fit with what Bob Lazar said 24 00:01:46,890 --> 00:01:49,773 on the maneuverability of antigravity craft. 25 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,100 At first, the craft remains static, 26 00:01:53,100 --> 00:01:56,160 blending in perfectly with the space debris, 27 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,933 but then it suddenly vanishes, 28 00:01:58,890 --> 00:02:01,830 reappearing towards the right of the screen, 29 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:04,530 traveling towards the direction in which it came from. 30 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,200 Then the shot is fired. 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,450 You'll notice a bright flash in the corner, 32 00:02:09,450 --> 00:02:12,637 followed by a visible round that was fired at the UAP. 33 00:02:14,190 --> 00:02:17,100 This phenomenon breaks the laws of physics 34 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:18,243 and flies out of view. 35 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:21,330 You'll notice what appears to be 36 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:23,730 a second shot that was fired, 37 00:02:23,730 --> 00:02:27,420 however, these shots are fired at the same time. 38 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:29,160 Based on where the camera angle is, 39 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,570 and the curvature of the Earth, 40 00:02:30,570 --> 00:02:33,840 that second shot looks like it's much further in distance. 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,690 In reality, what appears to be two shots, 42 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:37,773 is really just one. 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,890 This type of weaponized technology 44 00:02:40,890 --> 00:02:42,453 functions in a unique way. 45 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,470 When it comes to capturing alien vehicles, 46 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:49,263 this approach of hitting the target is extraordinary. 47 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:53,730 This weapon discharges, splits, 48 00:02:53,730 --> 00:02:55,890 and creates a net of solar energy 49 00:02:55,890 --> 00:02:58,530 that's similar to CMEs that's strong enough 50 00:02:58,530 --> 00:03:02,250 to disrupt all technologies that get caught in its net. 51 00:03:02,250 --> 00:03:05,280 In comparison, the behaviors of this UAP 52 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,500 that was filmed on the space shuttle 53 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:09,690 mimic the behaviors of the video 54 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:11,090 that we show in chapter one. 55 00:03:12,288 --> 00:03:15,621 (gentle dramatic music) 56 00:03:21,244 --> 00:03:25,411 (gentle dramatic music continues) 57 00:03:30,538 --> 00:03:34,705 (gentle dramatic music continues) 58 00:03:38,474 --> 00:03:40,650 - [Speaker] I'm not supposed to talk. 59 00:03:40,650 --> 00:03:42,750 I'm not, what was it, 60 00:03:42,750 --> 00:03:45,392 I've always known I'm not supposed to be talking. 61 00:03:45,392 --> 00:03:50,392 (thunder crashes) (rain pattering) 62 00:03:52,765 --> 00:03:55,860 (gentle twinkling music) 63 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:58,610 And I saw, I mean, you couldn't miss 'em. 64 00:03:58,610 --> 00:04:01,980 - [Speaker] If anything, they're more curious about us 65 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:03,975 as we are about them. 66 00:04:03,975 --> 00:04:08,975 (people expressing wonder) (gentle twinkling music) 67 00:04:10,974 --> 00:04:12,577 - [Speaker] They wanted to borrow the image, 68 00:04:12,577 --> 00:04:15,179 or borrow the negative. 69 00:04:15,179 --> 00:04:16,929 - [Speaker] What if that was just, 70 00:04:16,929 --> 00:04:18,654 they were in a formation, 71 00:04:18,654 --> 00:04:21,000 and everything, something was a flashing light 72 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,573 because I couldn't tell the shape of whatever it was. 73 00:04:24,570 --> 00:04:27,383 - [Speaker] People are reporting seeing lights in the sky. 74 00:04:29,527 --> 00:04:34,527 (gentle twinkling music) (rain pattering) 75 00:04:38,178 --> 00:04:41,520 (upbeat rhythmic music) 76 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,050 - [George Bush Sr.] Don't be talking about yourself 77 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:43,883 all the time. 78 00:04:43,883 --> 00:04:45,510 Give the other person credit. 79 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:48,210 - [Narrator] George Bush Senior is president at this time. 80 00:04:48,210 --> 00:04:51,030 - Be a part of something, be a part of the community. 81 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:52,380 Give to others. 82 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:54,300 I mean, that's the way to do it. 83 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:56,670 And it comes naturally. 84 00:04:56,670 --> 00:04:58,320 And so, I think for people 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,470 just to sit and whine and complain about things in life, 86 00:05:01,470 --> 00:05:02,700 that's not good enough. 87 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,310 You gotta be in the game. 88 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:07,770 Get off the bench, get in the game. 89 00:05:07,770 --> 00:05:09,750 - [Narrator] He would have been the perfect candidate 90 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:13,440 to give full disclosure on unidentified flying objects 91 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,000 and their origins. 92 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:15,833 Being that he was 93 00:05:15,833 --> 00:05:19,020 former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, 94 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:21,360 he knew about special projects, 95 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,280 programs that were available, 96 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:24,993 and who to get in contact with. 97 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:28,590 He was probably the only sitting president 98 00:05:28,590 --> 00:05:31,290 to gain access to the Deep State 99 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:33,003 while being in the Oval Office. 100 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:37,140 In January of 1976, 101 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:39,630 President Ford offered George Bush Senior 102 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:43,110 the position of running the Central Intelligence Agency 103 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:45,213 to fix the reputation of the CIA. 104 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:48,180 It was damaged 105 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:51,180 due to some of the secret missions in the past, 106 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:55,752 like the Watergate scandal, or even the Vietnam War. 107 00:05:55,752 --> 00:05:59,085 (gentle dramatic music) 108 00:06:05,134 --> 00:06:09,301 (gentle dramatic music continues) 109 00:06:13,709 --> 00:06:17,876 (gentle dramatic music continues) 110 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:22,440 The CIA's involvement in Vietnam 111 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,453 did major damage to their image. 112 00:06:25,590 --> 00:06:27,780 Protests all over the United States 113 00:06:27,780 --> 00:06:30,993 created tons of backlash during the Nixon presidency. 114 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,270 Tensions spread as the American public voiced their opinions 115 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:38,433 about the soldiers still being in Vietnam. 116 00:06:39,690 --> 00:06:42,300 The public also learned that our soldiers 117 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:44,223 were exposed to Agent Orange, 118 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,343 a chemical that was used during the war. 119 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:50,880 It caused major environmental damage 120 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,740 and long lasting health problems 121 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:56,133 to anyone that was exposed, including their offspring. 122 00:06:57,445 --> 00:07:00,778 (gentle dramatic music) 123 00:07:03,450 --> 00:07:05,700 George Bush was given the duty 124 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:08,883 of repairing the agency's confidence and reputation. 125 00:07:10,410 --> 00:07:13,230 During his time of being the DCI, 126 00:07:13,230 --> 00:07:14,970 there were national security briefings 127 00:07:14,970 --> 00:07:18,810 that took place between George Bush Senior and Jimmy Carter, 128 00:07:18,810 --> 00:07:22,590 as a president elect and a presidential candidate. 129 00:07:22,590 --> 00:07:27,590 On November 19th, 1976, during one of these briefings, 130 00:07:28,650 --> 00:07:31,020 President Carter approached Bush Senior 131 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:33,390 and asked to be briefed on all information 132 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:37,680 related to unidentified flying objects and their origins. 133 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,690 President Carter was denied, 134 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:42,510 and it's believed that the late George Bush Senior 135 00:07:42,510 --> 00:07:45,393 took all his secrets about UFOs to the grave. 136 00:07:46,830 --> 00:07:48,603 But that's not entirely true. 137 00:07:49,890 --> 00:07:51,600 There's another version of this story 138 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,393 that only President Carter would be able to confirm. 139 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:59,130 This came from a woman who was no longer living. 140 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:01,770 She was heavily connected in the political arena 141 00:08:01,770 --> 00:08:04,050 and in other areas of life. 142 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:05,220 This is her invitation 143 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:08,043 to personally meet the president in 1997. 144 00:08:09,450 --> 00:08:10,893 She was known as Sweetheart. 145 00:08:12,570 --> 00:08:16,680 Sweetheart stated that towards the end of 1976, 146 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,930 George Bush Senior provided information 147 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:21,270 to President Elect Jimmy Carter 148 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:23,433 in regards to otherworldly vehicles. 149 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:26,820 This information that President Carter received 150 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:30,513 from George Bush Senior came in the form of a recording. 151 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:34,860 She also stated that this recording 152 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:37,230 was from 100 years prior 153 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:39,843 and it took place on the property of Thomas Edison. 154 00:08:41,430 --> 00:08:43,380 Sweetheart insisted 155 00:08:43,380 --> 00:08:46,800 that Thomas Edison's recording of "Mary Had a Little Lamb," 156 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,140 was not his first recording. 157 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:51,450 She went on to say that during one evening, 158 00:08:51,450 --> 00:08:54,270 while Thomas Edison was perfecting his phonograph, 159 00:08:54,270 --> 00:08:56,313 he heard a loud crash on his property. 160 00:08:58,230 --> 00:09:00,180 He went out to investigate 161 00:09:00,180 --> 00:09:02,940 and he discovered an oval shaped object 162 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:04,920 that completely toppled the shed 163 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,333 on the back of his property. 164 00:09:09,450 --> 00:09:11,790 Once he was done investigating, 165 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:13,500 he went back into the workshop 166 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:16,650 and realized that his phonograph was still on 167 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:19,230 and recorded the sounds of this crash. 168 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:22,020 This is when he realized his invention 169 00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:24,843 was able to record and play back audio. 170 00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:28,380 How this recording got in the hands of the government, 171 00:09:28,380 --> 00:09:30,210 I do not know. 172 00:09:30,210 --> 00:09:32,460 What I do know is this recording 173 00:09:32,460 --> 00:09:35,613 was in the hands of the CIA in 1976. 174 00:09:37,020 --> 00:09:39,000 Going through George Bush Senior's history 175 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,940 as the director of the CIA, you'll quickly learn 176 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:44,190 that he was only employed there for one year. 177 00:09:45,390 --> 00:09:46,860 During this time, 178 00:09:46,860 --> 00:09:49,200 while Carter was campaigning for presidency, 179 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,170 he promised, if elected, he would make a push 180 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:55,110 for the government to release all information 181 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:57,633 involving unidentified flying objects. 182 00:09:58,590 --> 00:10:01,380 Once Jimmy Carter became president, 183 00:10:01,380 --> 00:10:04,770 Bush placed a call and gave his resignation, 184 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:06,123 in which Carter accepted. 185 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,163 His resignation took place on January 10th, 1977, 186 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,803 the day of Carter's inauguration. 187 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:18,540 President Carter was happy with the changes that were made 188 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:21,453 within the CIA under Bush Senior's leadership. 189 00:10:22,650 --> 00:10:26,403 He had to be replaced because of his Republican ties. 190 00:10:27,630 --> 00:10:31,110 Once Bush was no longer employed by the CIA, 191 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:32,970 this is when he shared the information 192 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:36,120 about the Edison recording with President Carter. 193 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,640 Let it be known that President Jimmy Carter 194 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,310 did follow through and make that push 195 00:10:41,310 --> 00:10:45,630 to have classified documents made accessible to the public, 196 00:10:45,630 --> 00:10:47,250 but then he soon realized 197 00:10:47,250 --> 00:10:50,670 that some of that information he was asking to be released 198 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:52,520 could threaten our national security. 199 00:10:53,790 --> 00:10:57,330 Shortly after, a great idea was presented 200 00:10:57,330 --> 00:10:59,013 and put into motion right away. 201 00:10:59,982 --> 00:11:03,315 (gentle dramatic music) 202 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:07,193 - [Child] Hello, from the children of Planet Earth. 203 00:11:08,677 --> 00:11:12,810 (gentle dramatic music) 204 00:11:12,810 --> 00:11:14,760 - [Narrator] These two phonograph records 205 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,190 were placed on Voyager One and Two, 206 00:11:17,190 --> 00:11:19,740 with the intention of letting extraterrestrials know 207 00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:21,453 our story here on Earth. 208 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:26,280 They contained sounds, music, and pictures, 209 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,030 which displayed the diversity and life here on this world. 210 00:11:30,030 --> 00:11:31,500 They were specifically made 211 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:34,530 for any intelligent life on distant planets. 212 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:37,650 These phonographs would be considered time capsules 213 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:40,053 and President Carter added this message. 214 00:11:41,497 --> 00:11:44,583 "This is a present from a small, distant world, 215 00:11:45,997 --> 00:11:50,077 "a token of our sounds, our science, 216 00:11:50,077 --> 00:11:55,077 "our images, our music, our thoughts and feelings. 217 00:11:56,677 --> 00:11:59,170 "We are attempting to survive our time 218 00:12:00,127 --> 00:12:02,247 "so we may live into yours." 219 00:12:04,110 --> 00:12:07,680 President Carter always had interest in extraterrestrials 220 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:10,500 because he had his own UFO experience 221 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:13,590 on an early evening in 1969, 222 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:15,993 two years before he was governor of Georgia. 223 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:19,140 Carter was preparing to give a speech 224 00:12:19,140 --> 00:12:21,480 at the Lion's Club in Leary, Georgia 225 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,320 when one of the attending members got Carter's attention 226 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,780 and pointed out a single bright white light 227 00:12:27,780 --> 00:12:29,313 off in the Western sky. 228 00:12:30,270 --> 00:12:33,120 Carter gave his best description of the object 229 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,060 that he and 20 other people witnessed. 230 00:12:36,060 --> 00:12:38,910 He said the object was a big bright light, 231 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:40,113 as bright as the moon. 232 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:43,590 It was just above the horizon 233 00:12:43,590 --> 00:12:47,340 and then it began to come towards the group of individuals. 234 00:12:47,340 --> 00:12:51,780 It began to change colors from red to blue, 235 00:12:51,780 --> 00:12:53,373 then eventually back to white, 236 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,980 and then it went off into the distance 237 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:57,080 and out of their view. 238 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,130 He also said that the object was not solid in nature 239 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:03,453 and it was made of light. 240 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:09,060 While Carter was campaigning for presidency during 1976. 241 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:11,370 He was very open about what he witnessed 242 00:13:11,370 --> 00:13:12,920 that evening in Leary, Georgia. 243 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:18,330 The contents that were gathered 244 00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:20,550 and placed on the golden records 245 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:22,950 were personally selected by a committee 246 00:13:22,950 --> 00:13:24,903 that was headed by Carl Sagan. 247 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,230 He was an American scientist and astronomer 248 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:33,090 who was well known for research 249 00:13:33,090 --> 00:13:37,173 on possibilities of extraterrestrial life on other planets. 250 00:13:38,370 --> 00:13:40,620 Prior to the golden records, 251 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:43,620 Sagan sent the pioneer plaques into space 252 00:13:43,620 --> 00:13:45,300 which were the original messages 253 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:48,600 that were launched out a few years prior. 254 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,460 The Voyager probes had a similar path as Pioneer 10 and 11, 255 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:56,163 which studied the environments around Jupiter, 256 00:13:57,099 --> 00:14:00,311 (gentle dramatic music) 257 00:14:00,311 --> 00:14:03,844 Saturn, (gentle dramatic music) 258 00:14:03,844 --> 00:14:08,844 and the astroid belt. (gentle dramatic music) 259 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:16,230 The two golden records are actually gold plated copper, 260 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:19,620 aluminum electroplated that has a pure sample 261 00:14:19,620 --> 00:14:22,833 of the isotope uranium dash 238. 262 00:14:24,570 --> 00:14:29,570 Uranium dash 238 has a half-life of 4.4 billion years. 263 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:34,890 Sagan stated the records were sent into space 264 00:14:34,890 --> 00:14:38,430 with the hopes of extraterrestrial life finding them 265 00:14:38,430 --> 00:14:40,590 and if they are intelligent enough, 266 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:42,360 they will be able to play them 267 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,590 and learn about human life on a distant world called Earth. 268 00:14:46,590 --> 00:14:49,860 Both phonographs were placed on Voyager One and Two, 269 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:54,303 with a scheduled launch in August and September of 1977. 270 00:14:56,234 --> 00:15:01,234 - [NASA] Two, one, we have ignition and we have liftoff. 271 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:06,960 - [Narrator] Voyager Two was launched on August 20th, 1977, 272 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,048 16 days before its sister craft. 273 00:15:10,048 --> 00:15:11,613 - [NASA] Farther into the solar system than ever before. 274 00:15:12,981 --> 00:15:15,648 (quiet humming) 275 00:15:22,497 --> 00:15:26,164 (gentle otherworldly music) 276 00:15:30,810 --> 00:15:32,010 - [Narrator] This probe took that path 277 00:15:32,010 --> 00:15:34,320 towards Jupiter and Saturn, 278 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,460 and because the planets 279 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:37,623 were in a perfect periodic alignment, 280 00:15:38,910 --> 00:15:41,753 it also went to the outer planets. 281 00:15:41,753 --> 00:15:45,086 (gentle peaceful music) 282 00:15:47,190 --> 00:15:50,323 First, the probe encountered Jupiter. 283 00:15:50,323 --> 00:15:53,656 (gentle peaceful music) 284 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:00,390 Next, the Voyager would travel 285 00:16:00,390 --> 00:16:02,553 to the giant gas planet, Saturn. 286 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,510 (gentle peaceful music) 287 00:16:06,510 --> 00:16:09,123 The next move was tricky, but successful. 288 00:16:10,163 --> 00:16:15,163 (quiet humming) (gentle peaceful music) 289 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,610 Using the gravitational pull of Saturn, 290 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:19,893 the Voyager sling-shotted over to Uranus. 291 00:16:21,357 --> 00:16:24,690 (gentle peaceful music) 292 00:16:30,820 --> 00:16:34,987 (gentle peaceful music continues) 293 00:16:40,594 --> 00:16:44,761 (gentle peaceful music continues) 294 00:16:49,697 --> 00:16:53,205 And then eventually made its way to Neptune. 295 00:16:53,205 --> 00:16:56,538 (gentle peaceful music) 296 00:17:02,644 --> 00:17:06,811 (gentle peaceful music continues) 297 00:17:12,558 --> 00:17:16,725 (gentle peaceful music continues) 298 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,301 Before eventually heading towards interstellar space. 299 00:17:22,301 --> 00:17:26,160 (gentle peaceful music) 300 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,860 Voyager Two is the only probe in human history 301 00:17:31,170 --> 00:17:33,723 to have visited the giant ice planets. 302 00:17:35,310 --> 00:17:39,153 Voyager One launched on September 5th, 1977. 303 00:17:39,992 --> 00:17:44,992 (rocket engine rumbling) (gentle peaceful music) 304 00:17:49,595 --> 00:17:53,845 (rocket engine continues rumbling) 305 00:17:59,136 --> 00:18:02,803 (rocket continues rumbling) 306 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,467 (gentle otherworldly music) 307 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,053 During this trip, 308 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:16,090 Voyager One would explore Jupiter 309 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:22,023 and capture images we missed out on with its sister probe. 310 00:18:23,682 --> 00:18:27,349 (gentle otherworldly music) 311 00:18:31,806 --> 00:18:36,806 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 312 00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:38,620 It also went to Saturn 313 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,693 along with its largest moon, Titan. 314 00:18:43,622 --> 00:18:47,289 (gentle otherworldly music) 315 00:18:52,344 --> 00:18:56,844 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 316 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:00,460 We decided to explore Titan 317 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:04,740 because it was already known to have an atmosphere 318 00:19:04,740 --> 00:19:06,273 that could be sustainable. 319 00:19:08,242 --> 00:19:11,909 (gentle otherworldly music) 320 00:19:17,534 --> 00:19:22,034 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 321 00:19:22,890 --> 00:19:25,503 After exploring Saturn and Titan, 322 00:19:26,670 --> 00:19:29,463 Voyager headed towards interstellar space. 323 00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:34,537 (gentle otherworldly music) 324 00:19:40,197 --> 00:19:44,697 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 325 00:19:49,973 --> 00:19:54,473 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 326 00:19:59,327 --> 00:20:03,827 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 327 00:20:04,771 --> 00:20:07,410 - What I'm imagining is the facts that I've just stated 328 00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:09,930 becoming generally known 329 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:13,230 so that people know that out there 330 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:14,970 is a million other civilizations. 331 00:20:14,970 --> 00:20:16,890 They all look fabulously ugly 332 00:20:16,890 --> 00:20:19,230 and they're all a lot smarter than us. 333 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:21,120 That seems to me useful 334 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,133 and a character-building experience for mankind. 335 00:20:25,502 --> 00:20:29,169 (gentle otherworldly music) 336 00:20:35,164 --> 00:20:39,664 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 337 00:20:45,182 --> 00:20:49,682 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 338 00:20:55,050 --> 00:20:59,550 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 339 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:09,640 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 340 00:21:14,345 --> 00:21:17,982 (gentle otherworldly music continues) 341 00:21:17,982 --> 00:21:21,065 (gentle piano music) 342 00:21:25,983 --> 00:21:28,421 - [Speaker] The date is three, eight, 94, 343 00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:30,942 the time, 21:30 hours. 344 00:21:30,942 --> 00:21:34,525 Also recorded will be dispatch conversation 345 00:21:35,403 --> 00:21:37,603 with the National Weather Service personnel. 346 00:21:38,629 --> 00:21:39,462 - [911 Operator] 911. 347 00:21:39,462 --> 00:21:41,540 - [Caller] Yeah, um, is this the police? 348 00:21:41,540 --> 00:21:43,057 - [911 Operator] We're in the dispatch in Toronto, so-- 349 00:21:43,057 --> 00:21:45,390 - [Caller] Okay, um, I don't know if you guys 350 00:21:45,390 --> 00:21:47,103 do anything on UFOs at all. 351 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:51,240 - [Narrator] Not a thunderstorm in sight, 352 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,321 however, we tracked something else that night. 353 00:21:55,321 --> 00:21:58,071 (water burbling) 354 00:22:00,448 --> 00:22:01,575 - [911 Operator] 911. 355 00:22:01,575 --> 00:22:02,818 - [Caller] You guys with me? 356 00:22:02,818 --> 00:22:04,320 - You bet. - I'd probably call that shot 357 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,608 a real emergency, we've just called about the UFOS 358 00:22:06,608 --> 00:22:08,178 with that. - Mmhmm. 359 00:22:08,178 --> 00:22:10,650 - [Caller] They're out there, ain't the airplanes. 360 00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:11,970 - [Narrator] For nearly 200 miles 361 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:14,310 of the Lake Michigan shoreline, 362 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:17,910 from Muskegon, (water burbling) 363 00:22:17,910 --> 00:22:20,133 South to the Indiana boarder line, 364 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:25,260 more than 300 people reported seeing 365 00:22:25,260 --> 00:22:28,620 three to six unidentified flying objects, 366 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:31,110 moving at very high speeds. 367 00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:32,430 - [Operator] Central dispatch. 368 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:34,190 - [Caller] Um yeah, this is a non-emergency, 369 00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:36,750 so feel free to cut me off if something comes in. 370 00:22:36,750 --> 00:22:38,130 And I feel kind of silly calling, 371 00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:40,560 but my son and sister that I call, 372 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,879 why don't you tell 'em what you saw. 373 00:22:41,879 --> 00:22:44,601 - [Son] Okay, I was at a real high hill-- 374 00:22:44,601 --> 00:22:45,434 - [Operator] Mmhmm. 375 00:22:45,434 --> 00:22:47,880 - [Son] Right on the county line there, 376 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,700 and it was like at a 45 degree angle to the ground-- 377 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:51,533 - [Operator] Uh huh. 378 00:22:51,533 --> 00:22:52,890 - [Son] There was like probably four or five lights 379 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:54,450 and they were all flashing right in a row, 380 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:56,274 from the top all the way down to the bottom-- 381 00:22:56,274 --> 00:22:57,217 - [Operator] Uh huh. 382 00:22:57,217 --> 00:22:59,070 - [Son] And I was sitting there for a while, 383 00:22:59,070 --> 00:23:02,700 and then it leveled off, and then it moved Southeast, 384 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,860 it was up in the air quite a bit. 385 00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:05,693 - [Operator] Okay, yeah, 386 00:23:05,693 --> 00:23:06,526 we've got an officer down in your area 387 00:23:06,526 --> 00:23:08,466 checking on it right now. 388 00:23:08,466 --> 00:23:09,685 - Okay. - Okay? 389 00:23:09,685 --> 00:23:11,040 - [Son] It took off real fast. 390 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,540 - [Operator] Okay yeah, we'll let him know. 391 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:13,920 - All right, thanks. - Thank you. 392 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,790 - Bye. - Bye. 393 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:19,590 - [Narrator] 911 police dispatch 394 00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:21,747 received an abundance of calls from people 395 00:23:21,747 --> 00:23:24,360 who were saying they were seeing strange lights 396 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,863 that filled up the night sky. 397 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:31,710 Reports came in that they were as bright as the moon, 398 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:36,710 they changed colors from red to green to blue to white, 399 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,900 and sometimes they were moving extremely fast, 400 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:41,850 and staying static. 401 00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:43,680 Some of the reports that were filed 402 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,080 actually came from police officers, 403 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,420 and one of them came from the meteorologist 404 00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:51,090 who worked at the National Weather Station. 405 00:23:51,090 --> 00:23:54,443 Hundreds of people that night witnessed this event. 406 00:23:55,301 --> 00:23:56,355 - [911 Operator] 911. 407 00:23:56,355 --> 00:23:58,140 - [Caller] Um, we were just wondering, 408 00:23:58,140 --> 00:24:00,480 have you heard anything about these lights 409 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,050 that are flickering up here in the, 410 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:07,786 what is it, the East, East, Southeast area? 411 00:24:07,786 --> 00:24:09,789 Looked like a group, 412 00:24:09,789 --> 00:24:11,970 it looked like a string of Christmas lights 413 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:13,833 that's way up in the sky, 414 00:24:15,052 --> 00:24:17,070 and we'd wondered if you had heard anything about it. 415 00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:17,933 - [911 Operator] Not a thing. 416 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:20,790 - [Caller] Wow, you might oughta have somebody take a look, 417 00:24:20,790 --> 00:24:23,253 it's different, I've never seen anything like it. 418 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:25,713 I don't know, it's strange, 419 00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:30,990 but it's right out East, Southeast, and it's way up, 420 00:24:30,990 --> 00:24:33,360 and it's just like a circle 421 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,360 of a lot of different lights flickering. 422 00:24:36,510 --> 00:24:38,940 And it's different than any airplane. (chuckles) 423 00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:40,410 - [Narrator] Jack Bushong, 424 00:24:40,410 --> 00:24:42,450 who was now a retired meteorologist, 425 00:24:42,450 --> 00:24:44,910 who observed the sighting on weather radar, 426 00:24:44,910 --> 00:24:47,850 while he was working the Muskegon radar, 427 00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:51,060 he said they were just moving so fast 428 00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:53,340 and he had very little time to describe 429 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:57,900 what they were doing on the evening of March 8th, 1994. 430 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,360 He was working at the National Weather Service Station 431 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:03,120 by himself, the phone rang, 432 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,340 and it was the Ottawa County Dispatcher 433 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:06,600 who had been getting reports 434 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,060 of seeing strange objects in the sky 435 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:10,770 and they were calling to see if anything 436 00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:12,720 was being shown on the radars 437 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,202 at the National Weather Service Station. 438 00:25:15,202 --> 00:25:20,202 (phone disconnect signal) (beeping) 439 00:25:21,655 --> 00:25:26,655 (muddled speech) (phone rings) 440 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:30,770 - [Bushong] Weather Service, Muskegon. 441 00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:31,603 - [911 Operator] Hi Muskegon, 442 00:25:31,603 --> 00:25:33,810 this is Ottawa County 911 calling. 443 00:25:33,810 --> 00:25:34,646 - [Bushong] Yeah, how you doing? 444 00:25:34,646 --> 00:25:35,562 - [911 Operator] Good. 445 00:25:35,562 --> 00:25:37,660 You guys have access to a radar there, don't cha? 446 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:38,493 - Yes we do. - You do. 447 00:25:38,493 --> 00:25:40,140 You getting anything weird 448 00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:42,900 down in the Southern Ottawa County area? 449 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,630 - Anything weird? - Hold on for a sec, okay? 450 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:46,947 - [Narrator] At first, Jack Bushong 451 00:25:46,947 --> 00:25:49,290 has just seen the normal activity 452 00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:51,090 that would occur on a clear evening. 453 00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:53,190 At this time, 454 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:56,520 the radar seems to be in an automatic state of operation, 455 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,163 and he's just giving simple observations. 456 00:26:00,510 --> 00:26:02,490 As this is going on, 457 00:26:02,490 --> 00:26:05,730 the Ottawa County dispatcher is still receiving calls 458 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:08,880 about sightings of strange lights in the sky. 459 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,250 These calls were coming from multiple cities 460 00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:13,320 surrounding Lake Michigan. 461 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,650 The public is still continuing to see the objects 462 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:19,500 and they are not sure what they could be. 463 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,260 These objects are bouncing all over the place 464 00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:26,760 from South Bent to Muskegon, and even Chicago 465 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,323 at very high speeds. 466 00:26:30,780 --> 00:26:34,020 There was recently a tower that was built in the area 467 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:36,000 and when it became operational, 468 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,250 the tower lights were static. 469 00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:40,020 After a couple weeks, 470 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:42,810 the operation of those lights began to blink. 471 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:44,970 This came from one of the officers 472 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:46,470 simply giving his own opinion 473 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:49,470 on what he thought the people might actually be seeing. 474 00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:52,470 The dispatcher immediately tries to make sense of it all 475 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:54,570 by asking some pretty good questions 476 00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:57,120 and remaining calm during the process. 477 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,470 He's trying to help out 478 00:26:58,470 --> 00:27:00,660 without really seeing what's going on. 479 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,940 He starts off by asking the callers 480 00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:06,360 if they are moving positions around on the property. 481 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,240 Maybe that's the reason why the lights appear to be moving, 482 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,850 says the dispatcher to a couple callers, 483 00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:14,743 but they are adamant about the lights moving in the sky. 484 00:27:14,743 --> 00:27:15,668 - [Speaker] Not really, you know, 485 00:27:15,668 --> 00:27:18,085 I see something, right there. 486 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,603 Okay, let's see what that is, looks like, uh, 487 00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:25,350 there's a larger turn down there, let's see, 488 00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:28,683 that looks like um, it's up about, maybe, 489 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:34,560 well it disappeared, but it was up about 6,000 feet, 490 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,043 and about um, 491 00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:41,867 could have been a plane, I don't know, 492 00:27:41,867 --> 00:27:43,800 but it was pretty big, wait a minute. 493 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,633 See what that was. 494 00:27:44,633 --> 00:27:45,839 - [Speaker] Yeah, 495 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:46,672 we're getting a bunch of weird ones down there 496 00:27:46,672 --> 00:27:47,730 and I can see, now it's starting, 497 00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:50,430 it appears to be moving a little bit South. 498 00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:52,173 - [Speaker] Yeah, okay it moved. 499 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,666 Yeah, there's something big down there, 500 00:27:54,666 --> 00:27:55,950 wait a minute, that's really strange. 501 00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:57,120 - [Narrator] Because Mr. Bushong 502 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,820 was using the radar in the horizontal, 503 00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:02,250 he really wasn't able to see them 504 00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:04,650 because they were dropping and rising in altitude 505 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:06,360 within seconds. 506 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,490 The meteorologist then begins to notice 507 00:28:08,490 --> 00:28:10,593 a couple strange hits on the radar, 508 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,580 but he still isn't too sure of what it is 509 00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:15,880 that he's actually seeing. 510 00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:19,623 At first he thinks it could be a plane, 511 00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:22,890 but he notices the hit the radar picked up 512 00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:26,280 was much larger than your conventional aircraft. 513 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,750 You gotta keep in mind, 514 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:30,060 he's not actually receiving the calls 515 00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:32,820 so he's not really sure what he's looking for. 516 00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:35,730 He's just being told by a police dispatcher 517 00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:39,600 to check the radar for any anomalies in the sky. 518 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,310 The reports that were coming in 519 00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:44,760 were about three to four lights, flying in a bunch, 520 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,500 sometimes separating, 521 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,260 and even changing colors in the process. 522 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,660 They were being spotted in different locations 523 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:54,840 within a 200 mile radius of Lake Michigan. 524 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,170 He recognizes that the craft is moving indefinitely, 525 00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:00,630 mainly because now he's operating the radar 526 00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:02,850 with manual functions in the vertical. 527 00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:06,060 This gives him the ability to better track and observe 528 00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:08,070 while using the weather radar. 529 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:10,800 The functions of a weather radar work like this, 530 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680 from an antennae, beams of energy are emitted. 531 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,420 These are called radio waves. 532 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:19,590 These beams of energy are scattered in every direction. 533 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:22,170 The radio waves travel through the atmosphere 534 00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:24,330 and they strike objects in the sky, 535 00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:27,600 whether it's a plane, a storm or anomalies. 536 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,140 When those radio waves make contact with an object, 537 00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:33,360 and then emits a signal back to the antennae. 538 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,964 - [Bushong] Yeah, it looks like a big blob. 539 00:29:35,964 --> 00:29:36,797 - [911 Operator] Yeah, 540 00:29:36,797 --> 00:29:38,250 that's the way it was explained to us. 541 00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:39,383 - [Bushong] And it's not, 542 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:44,220 I think it's almost off the scope, let me go to another-- 543 00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:45,840 - [911 Operator] Hey, this is weird. 544 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,420 - [Bushong] Let me go to another, uh, let me see- 545 00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,430 - [Narrator] This call between the dispatcher 546 00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:51,780 and the meteorologist, 547 00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:54,210 at the National Weather Service Station in Muskegon, 548 00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:56,190 supported what people saw on the ground, 549 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:57,753 including police officers. 550 00:30:00,210 --> 00:30:02,910 All of this took place in real time. 551 00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:06,150 As the dispatcher was on the phone with the meteorologist, 552 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:08,040 the calls continued to come in 553 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,900 and they were being documented. 554 00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:13,162 - [Caller] Yeah, I was up about 6,000 feet or so, 555 00:30:13,162 --> 00:30:15,323 and unless that was a um-- 556 00:30:18,489 --> 00:30:20,442 (muddled speech) 557 00:30:20,442 --> 00:30:22,890 - [Bushong] And I can't, it disappears, 558 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:24,417 it's moving because uh-- 559 00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:28,020 - [911 Operator] One pass it's here, 560 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,280 the next pass it's gone? - Yeah. 561 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,987 I got it on manual now, I'm just kinda, 562 00:30:33,987 --> 00:30:37,030 I'm continuously radiating on it 563 00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:40,837 and looks like it's steady right now. 564 00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:45,480 - [Narrator] The reactions of this meteorologist 565 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,313 are genuine. 566 00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:51,240 Excitement, confusion are all typical 567 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,990 when it comes to experiencing something of the unknown. 568 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,380 We now have somebody with exceptional technology 569 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:00,480 who is observing these UAPs, 570 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,203 confirming what police officers and citizens are witnessing. 571 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,520 These craft are able to travel great distances 572 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,700 within seconds, covering multiple cities, 573 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,280 surrounding Southern Lake Michigan. 574 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,010 They are able to use the energy in the air space 575 00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:18,990 to get from point A to point B 576 00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:20,590 a lot quicker than what we know. 577 00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:23,970 The returns that were coming back to the radar 578 00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:26,823 show these objects as massive points of energy, 579 00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:31,590 blobs of energy that are able to manipulate the airspace 580 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:33,840 above Lake Michigan. - Those objects-- 581 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,330 - Well-- - Oh my God, what is that? 582 00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:37,320 - [Speaker] They were going together 583 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,810 and coming apart-- - Well it's, 584 00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:42,060 there's three and there are lines flying, 585 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:43,710 now I'm getting three of 'em and, 586 00:31:49,944 --> 00:31:54,861 I'm getting a third one now and they're separated by about, 587 00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:58,563 looks like about 5,000 feet in height, 588 00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:04,137 and about maybe uh, um-- 589 00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:11,610 - [911 Operator] An officer just sent me a message here, 590 00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:13,610 he says about maybe uh-- 591 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,800 - [Bushong] They're separated by about 50 kilometers. 592 00:32:22,416 --> 00:32:26,250 And they're very-- (phone rings) 593 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:27,927 They're very strong return. 594 00:32:27,927 --> 00:32:31,437 I'm getting a real-- (phone rings) 595 00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:33,173 They're spiking. 596 00:32:33,173 --> 00:32:36,576 So there's something pretty, it's something pretty solid. 597 00:32:36,576 --> 00:32:37,680 There's no precipitation or anything, 598 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,420 especially up at that height, yeah. 599 00:32:39,420 --> 00:32:41,220 - [911 Operator] An officer in the Highland City 600 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:43,050 just sent me a message, he says, you know, 601 00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:44,730 can we identify anything further, he says, 602 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:46,988 looks like three to four of 'em-- 603 00:32:46,988 --> 00:32:48,447 - [Bushong] I'm seeing three, I'm seeing three 604 00:32:48,447 --> 00:32:51,000 and they're separated by uh, 605 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,950 they look like a triangle on my scope. 606 00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:57,753 I'm looking one around down by, let's see, 607 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,820 see, one down near South Haven. 608 00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:05,490 I'm seeing another one over Lake Michigan, 609 00:33:05,490 --> 00:33:09,060 about Northwest Bent Harbor, 610 00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:14,060 and another one over uh, well East of Bent Harbor, 611 00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:16,983 which would be near, looks like Decatur. 612 00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:19,290 I'm seeing three of those. 613 00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:22,060 They're very strong, now I'm getting another one down 614 00:33:23,078 --> 00:33:26,550 in Marion County, these are huge returns, 615 00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:28,840 I've never seen anything like this, 616 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,390 not even when I'm doing storms. 617 00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:32,640 These aren't storms. 618 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,472 They're like, they're just popping up all over the place. 619 00:33:35,472 --> 00:33:36,305 - [911 Operator] This is strange activity, 620 00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:38,880 the officer says it's green and red lights 621 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,370 and does not look like an airplane. 622 00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:43,140 They come together and then they separate 623 00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:45,821 and they just keep doing this all the time. 624 00:33:45,821 --> 00:33:46,654 - [Bushong] And he's seeing that, 625 00:33:46,654 --> 00:33:48,183 yeah, I'm seeing three returns, 626 00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:54,128 (voice distorts) this is new. 627 00:33:54,128 --> 00:33:58,217 South Haven, it's like, I wish I had more light-- 628 00:33:58,217 --> 00:34:00,390 - [Narrator] Jack's reaction to the behaviors 629 00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:02,223 of these UAPS is uncanny. 630 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,940 They are always multicolored 631 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:09,480 and they always appear to travel really fast. 632 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,240 They are able to use the energy in the airspace 633 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,220 to get from point A to point B 634 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:15,820 a lot quicker than what we know. 635 00:34:17,135 --> 00:34:19,759 - [Bushong] The Northwest, by about, 636 00:34:19,759 --> 00:34:23,926 now I'm getting, now they changed positions again. 637 00:34:25,387 --> 00:34:29,033 One about 20 miles west of South Haven. 638 00:34:30,085 --> 00:34:31,433 Another one just above, looks like the uh, 639 00:34:37,068 --> 00:34:39,780 Coloma, and the other one 640 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:42,153 is just off the coast of Bent Harbor. 641 00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:45,280 - [911 Operator] Wow, this is weird. 642 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,113 - [Bushong] Okay, now that one 643 00:34:46,113 --> 00:34:48,390 near South Haven has moved, 644 00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:50,673 it's moving further out into Lake Michigan. 645 00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:58,233 I'm getting 'em up, okay, I'm getting a pop, 646 00:34:59,172 --> 00:35:02,962 now I'm getting four. 647 00:35:02,962 --> 00:35:06,153 No, yeah, I got four for a while. 648 00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:09,750 Now I'm getting another one way down, 649 00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:11,730 I did for a little while, 650 00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:13,443 these are all up around um, 651 00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:18,273 about between seven and 12,000 feet. 652 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:21,224 - [911 Operator] Oh, this is strange. 653 00:35:21,224 --> 00:35:22,561 This is strange. - It's a little bit weird. 654 00:35:22,561 --> 00:35:25,142 - [Bushong] Yeah, I don't know if it's 655 00:35:25,142 --> 00:35:27,475 some kind of energy or it's, 656 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,753 the radar is picking up something. 657 00:35:32,479 --> 00:35:35,340 I wish we had a picture of this, but um-- 658 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:36,173 - [911 Operator] I wanna find out 659 00:35:36,173 --> 00:35:37,613 exactly where he sees them once-- 660 00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:38,827 - [Bushong] Yeah. 661 00:35:38,827 --> 00:35:42,093 - [Narrator] UAPs like this typically remain unexplained. 662 00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:46,230 The erratic movements of these UAPs 663 00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:48,960 really began to pick up as they traveled South 664 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,453 towards Chicago and the Indiana boarder line. 665 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,830 This also is the first time 666 00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:58,290 that officially documented reports 667 00:35:58,290 --> 00:36:00,330 show that the lights were in a V shape 668 00:36:00,330 --> 00:36:03,333 or in a triangular formation while they were traveling. 669 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,570 They were sometimes separate, 670 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:08,997 and then they would come back into a formation. 671 00:36:08,997 --> 00:36:11,753 - [911 Operator] Southwest of (mutters) City, 672 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:16,753 so that could be, that could be that one, 673 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:19,770 but that in Harbor picked up that high. 674 00:36:19,770 --> 00:36:21,063 This is really weird. 675 00:36:23,252 --> 00:36:26,077 - [Bushong] Yeah, I was getting four, 676 00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:29,493 okay, now they've moved position again. 677 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,330 And I'm sweeping it back and forth 678 00:36:33,330 --> 00:36:34,650 in kind of like a triangle, 679 00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:37,920 just back and forth from where the beam is spotted 680 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,770 towards Chicago, then I sweep it back towards, 681 00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:42,420 maybe Fort Wayne-- - Mmhmm. 682 00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:44,400 - [Bushong] And each sweep, 683 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,470 they'll be in the same position 684 00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:49,440 and then all of a sudden, they'll pop up somewhere else. 685 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,960 So it's instantaneously moving 686 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,907 and I'm getting about three and four return, 687 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:02,430 and they look like sweeping in the vertical, 688 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:05,667 they look like very strong spikes. 689 00:37:05,667 --> 00:37:08,500 (muddled chatter) 690 00:37:09,622 --> 00:37:10,872 I'm getting um, 691 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:16,800 it's really weird. 692 00:37:23,338 --> 00:37:24,488 I don't know if I'm uh, 693 00:37:26,686 --> 00:37:28,110 these are bigger than planes. 694 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:33,110 Usually a plane will pick up as a little pinpoint, 695 00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:35,730 but these are about, on my radar scope, 696 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:37,983 these are about the size of maybe uh, 697 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:40,953 looks like a half centimeter across. 698 00:37:42,557 --> 00:37:46,440 (muddled speech) I'm gonna try Grand Rapids once here too 699 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,440 and see if they can, 700 00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:51,473 see if they've got anything that they're aware of once too. 701 00:37:52,635 --> 00:37:53,820 Okay, they look like they're moving, 702 00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:56,670 they're all moving toward the South, towards Chicago, 703 00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:58,920 there's three returns moving towards Chicago, 704 00:38:00,791 --> 00:38:04,950 they're about over center of Lake Michigan, 705 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:06,960 three of 'em in a triangle, 706 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,063 and they're about the Southern, 707 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,600 real Southern part of Lake Michigan, 708 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,133 probably just off the coast of Marion County. 709 00:38:15,133 --> 00:38:17,070 - Okay. - Just Northeast of Chicago. 710 00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:18,308 - [911 Operator] All right, 711 00:38:18,308 --> 00:38:19,141 I will give them a shout and we'll see 712 00:38:19,141 --> 00:38:20,280 what I can locate from them. 713 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,020 Thank you very much 714 00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:22,853 - [Bushong] You're welcome. 715 00:38:22,853 --> 00:38:24,034 - All right, appreciate that. - Yeah, no problem. 716 00:38:24,034 --> 00:38:27,390 - Yeah, bye bye. - Bye bye. (phone rings) 717 00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,970 - [Narrator] The triangulation of eyewitness reports 718 00:38:29,970 --> 00:38:32,610 that included average citizens making calls 719 00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:35,430 to the local police department about what they were seeing 720 00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:38,040 was backed up by officers on the ground 721 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,150 and eventually someone who had access to a weather radar. 722 00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:44,880 They all witnessed the same exact thing 723 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,100 across different spectrums. 724 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,320 The Ottawa County police dispatch 725 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,960 fielded over 60 calls that evening. 726 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840 The names and reports were heavily documented, 727 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840 including eyewitness reports from police officers 728 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,043 that were in the area. 729 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,360 Mr. Bushong wanted to make sure that this wasn't a prank, 730 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,273 and what he was dealing with was real in nature. 731 00:39:07,230 --> 00:39:09,540 So he called back just to verify 732 00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:11,340 that he was really speaking to someone 733 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:13,533 from the Ottawa County police dispatch. 734 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,640 When strange things like this occur on radar, 735 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,400 he needed to make a report about the sighting 736 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,353 and provide it to his authorities. 737 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,220 Thankfully he had the call and recordings 738 00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:30,150 of the radar to back up his claims of what he was seeing. 739 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:33,030 With the weather radar tracking these objects, 740 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:36,750 Mr. Bushong gave the description of them being energy 741 00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:39,240 and not being able to make out an object 742 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,730 or identify what it was. 743 00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:44,310 These anomalies would be classified 744 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:46,203 as unexplained aerial phenomenon. 745 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,610 The behaviors of this UAP 746 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:54,600 showed a manipulation between the gravity and airspace 747 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,220 causing them to show up at different places at great speeds. 748 00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:00,690 This is also the first time 749 00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:03,630 that officially documented reports show 750 00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:08,253 that lights were in a V shape or in a triangular formation. 751 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:11,370 It's also important to state 752 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:13,440 that during the time of this sighting, 753 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,693 the Northern Lights were also on display. 754 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:18,480 Could this aerial phenomenon 755 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,613 have been a part of the Northern Lights? 756 00:40:22,290 --> 00:40:25,533 Something went on that night over Lake Michigan. 757 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,170 Jack Bushong's reports caused a major stir 758 00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:33,783 for his place of employment and himself. 759 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:38,430 The National Weather Service Station that he worked at 760 00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:40,380 eventually debunked the claims 761 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,380 and said that they were nothing more than ground clutter 762 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:46,140 that showed up on the radar that night. 763 00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:49,470 Eventually, Jack had to move from Michigan 764 00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:52,080 and took a job at the National Weather Service Station 765 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,143 in Atlanta where he later retired. 766 00:40:56,610 --> 00:41:00,360 He did make his way back to Michigan in 2016 767 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,703 and he now investigates UFOs. 768 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,790 He continues to interview people 769 00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:09,540 that witnessed the event on March 8th, 1994. 770 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:11,910 He came across one startling report 771 00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:15,540 where witnesses were camping at the base of Lake Michigan 772 00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:18,390 when they noticed a craft over the lake. 773 00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:20,070 They reported seeing the ship 774 00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:22,860 was pulling water from the lake. 775 00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:24,900 It was about 30 feet high 776 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:26,823 and looked like a white waterfall. 777 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,260 Mr. Bushong confirmed this did happen 778 00:41:31,260 --> 00:41:34,140 around the time he was observing the craft 779 00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:36,453 during the early hours of March 9th. 780 00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:40,413 Something happened that night over Lake Michigan. 781 00:41:41,490 --> 00:41:44,520 Where did they come from, and most importantly, 782 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,170 where did they go? 783 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,867 This case remains unexplained. 784 00:41:48,867 --> 00:41:50,184 - [Operator] Okay, what do you have there, sir? 785 00:41:50,184 --> 00:41:52,668 - [Caller] There were at least four lights 786 00:41:52,668 --> 00:41:54,772 and they were all flashing like, 787 00:41:54,772 --> 00:41:58,894 okay, there was a sequence, it was kind of like a wreath, 788 00:41:58,894 --> 00:41:59,727 and it was four lights, 789 00:41:59,727 --> 00:42:01,230 and they were blinking back and forth, 790 00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:04,190 and there's no way, I mean, a plane is not that wide. 791 00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:05,910 - [Narrator] In just three short years, 792 00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:09,032 the biggest and most reported sighting in U.S. 793 00:42:09,032 --> 00:42:11,400 and UFO history took place. 794 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,860 It was a V shaped object that traveled 795 00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:16,650 from Nevada to the Mexico boarder. 796 00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:18,480 - [Recorded Voice] Well let me uh, 797 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,610 state it for your documentary. 798 00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:22,625 When you talk to people, 799 00:42:22,625 --> 00:42:25,328 it's important for you to ask the question, 800 00:42:25,328 --> 00:42:26,370 "What happened to the lights?" 801 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:27,210 - [Narrator] You're about to hear 802 00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:30,600 from a former police sergeant and a police dispatcher 803 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,940 who both were on duty and witnessed the events 804 00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:36,480 that took place on March 13, 1997. 805 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,410 - [Speaker] It's to the point now 806 00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:39,810 where you need to present cold hard facts to people 807 00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:42,510 or else it's just not gonna be listened to. 808 00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:45,630 - [Narrator] Before we get into that, let me say this, 809 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:49,623 March of '97 was an interesting month to say the least. 810 00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:54,273 On my birthday, the leader of Heaven's Gate took his life. 811 00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:58,020 Let me state this, 812 00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:01,590 we do not condone the actions of this group or individuals 813 00:43:01,590 --> 00:43:03,000 and we want to be respectful 814 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,700 of the families who lost loved ones. 815 00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:09,270 If you don't know about Heaven's Gate, or maybe you forgot, 816 00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:10,773 let me refresh your memory. 817 00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:15,570 Heaven's Gate was a group that many labeled as a cult, 818 00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:19,050 but technically, they were classified as a religious group, 819 00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:23,763 led by two people, Marshal Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles. 820 00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:26,760 They both met in the 70s 821 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,830 and they hit it off from the start. 822 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:31,320 They went by the nicknames Ti and Do 823 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,060 and created what was even considered 824 00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:36,300 a new religious movement based in America. 825 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,900 This movement was founded by UFO activities and beliefs. 826 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,060 They also believed that they were the two witnesses 827 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:43,533 in the Book of Revelations. 828 00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:47,010 In modern pop culture films like the "Phoenix Forgotten" 829 00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:48,990 or even the "Phoenix Incident," 830 00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:50,850 the people that are depicted 831 00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:54,240 to have gone missing in the desert or picked up by a ship, 832 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,640 are in fact representations of the people 833 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,650 who are part of Heaven's Gate. 834 00:43:58,650 --> 00:44:00,960 Some of the founding beliefs of this movement 835 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,930 were that they would become extraterrestrial beings, 836 00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:05,850 ascend to the next level, 837 00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:08,883 and were going to board a ship that was trailing a comet. 838 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,750 These beliefs were something that Bonnie and Marshal 839 00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:15,903 fully believed and preached to their followers. 840 00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:19,230 They both believed that they were here to fulfill 841 00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:22,260 biblical prophesies and Applewhite believed 842 00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,963 he had a blood relation to Jesus himself. 843 00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:29,070 In 1976, they stopped recruiting 844 00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:31,570 and began to disappear from the eye of the public. 845 00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:37,683 Sadly, Bonnie Nettles passed away in 1985. 846 00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:41,070 Marshal Applewhite continued on with preaching 847 00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:44,610 to his followers that they would board an alien ship 848 00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:46,113 that was following a comet. 849 00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:52,130 Well, on July 23rd, 1995, a comet was discovered 850 00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:57,030 and later named Hale-Bopp after those who found it, 851 00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:01,523 Thomas Bopp and Alan Hale, and to top it off, 852 00:45:01,523 --> 00:45:05,850 an amateur astronomer by the name of Chuck Schramet 853 00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:09,633 photographed a strange object trailing the Hale-Bopp comet. 854 00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:17,100 Also, a professor at Emery University announced 855 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:20,073 that an alien craft was in fact trailing the comet. 856 00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:22,920 How would Bonnie and Marshal know 857 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,240 that a comet would fly past Earth, before it was discovered, 858 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,280 and how would they know that some object 859 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,753 would be trailing the comet? 860 00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:35,820 The closest flyby of Earth by the Hale-Bopp comet 861 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:38,763 was in between March 22 and April 7th. 862 00:45:40,110 --> 00:45:42,690 The Phoenix lights story over the years 863 00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:46,080 has become diluted with some misleading information. 864 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,050 On the night of March 13th, 1997, 865 00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:51,870 a group of people did not go missing. 866 00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:54,330 There was not just one event 867 00:45:54,330 --> 00:45:57,120 and the 13th was not the only night 868 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,470 the lights were in the sky. 869 00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:01,890 As a witness to the Phoenix lights, 870 00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:05,610 flares cannot travel in formation from Nevada 871 00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:07,350 to Southern Arizona. 872 00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:09,270 That doesn't mean that flares weren't used 873 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:12,690 later that evening over the Goldwater Range. 874 00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:14,760 The Goldwater Range in the past 875 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,310 was called Luke Air Force Range. 876 00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:18,960 We have shown that this area 877 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,273 is in some of the pages of Project Blue Book. 878 00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:24,330 The night of March 13th, 879 00:46:24,330 --> 00:46:27,120 multiple events took place over this range, 880 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,893 including the use of flares. 881 00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:32,040 Here are two people 882 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,980 that have not shared their stories until now. 883 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:37,830 Both were in law enforcement at the time 884 00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:40,410 and not only did they see a craft, 885 00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:42,660 they saw a craft at different times, 886 00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:44,760 and at different locations that differ 887 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,230 from the popular reports. 888 00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:49,683 - [Speaker] Would you put me on at 14910, Northeast? 889 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:54,540 Two four straight, been making contact with the uh-- 890 00:46:54,540 --> 00:46:57,450 - Well, my name is Elizabeth Compton. 891 00:46:57,450 --> 00:46:58,770 At the time this happened, 892 00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:01,330 I was working for the Youngstown Police Department 893 00:47:02,310 --> 00:47:05,670 and it was a fairly busy shift, as I recall, 894 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:08,490 you know, we had a lot of stuff going down 895 00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:10,830 and they were up at the district three-jail booking 896 00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:12,570 and I had a couple of 'em that had stopped off, 897 00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:14,970 you know, for lunch, so everybody was inside. 898 00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:16,720 So I had a minute or two to breath. 899 00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:20,280 Well, on this particular night, I was out there, 900 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,013 and then I saw coming, like from this direction, 901 00:47:23,850 --> 00:47:27,930 and moving slow, I saw these five beautiful lights, 902 00:47:27,930 --> 00:47:29,107 and at first I was thinking, "Oh, 903 00:47:29,107 --> 00:47:30,330 "that must be the Air Force," 904 00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:33,150 'cause Luke Air Force Base isn't too far away, 905 00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:34,380 and then I realized, no, 906 00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:37,290 those can't be fighter jets flying in formation 907 00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:39,990 'cause for one thing, it was going too slow 908 00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:42,930 and then I thought maybe it was helicopters, 909 00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:44,820 and then I realized it wasn't helicopters either 910 00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:46,410 'cause helicopters, even when they're flying, 911 00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:48,540 you know, they can still do that little wobble, 912 00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:49,860 you know, like they do in the air? 913 00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:51,750 These weren't doing that, they were too perfect, 914 00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:55,260 and then I realized there was no noise. 915 00:47:55,260 --> 00:47:56,580 Even the crickets stopped chirping, 916 00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:59,130 there were no dogs barking, everything was just dead silent 917 00:47:59,130 --> 00:48:02,130 and I was just absolutely mesmerized by that thing. 918 00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:03,030 I didn't know what it was, 919 00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:06,150 I don't know how long I stood there staring at it, 920 00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:07,980 and then the phone ringing 921 00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:11,250 and behind me kinda snapped me out of it, 922 00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:12,990 and so I pulled the door shut 923 00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:14,010 and I went and answered the phone. 924 00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:16,080 It was one of the officers looking for his report number. 925 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,500 And then when I went back to the back door, it was gone. 926 00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,520 - [Interviewer] When you went back to your normal shift, 927 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,060 did you receive any calls, 911, 928 00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:30,570 I'm assuming they would be like 911 reports or something. 929 00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:31,860 I don't know the correct term, 930 00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:33,637 but any calls of, you know, 931 00:48:33,637 --> 00:48:37,890 "Hey, I saw something in the sky," nothing like that? 932 00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:41,100 - Nothing, I received nothing like that. 933 00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:42,450 So I figured if anything, 934 00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:44,677 they were probably calling the Air Force, 935 00:48:44,677 --> 00:48:47,640 you know, 'cause some people, they would call the Air Force 936 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,220 if they saw something up there, and, in fact, 937 00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,147 that's what we would advise 'em if they called and said, 938 00:48:52,147 --> 00:48:54,007 "Hey, I see something in the sky," I'd say, 939 00:48:54,007 --> 00:48:56,310 "Well, call the Air Force base and report it to them," 940 00:48:56,310 --> 00:48:57,217 you know, "we're street cops, 941 00:48:57,217 --> 00:48:59,257 "we can't go up there and see what's going on, 942 00:48:59,257 --> 00:49:01,590 "you need to call the guys with the Air Force," 943 00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:03,960 but I received no calls, which, 944 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,420 that was a little bit unusual too 'cause I was thinking, 945 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:09,031 "Why aren't I getting any calls on that?" 946 00:49:09,031 --> 00:49:10,538 - [Radio Communication] Yes ma'am, we'll be clear 947 00:49:10,538 --> 00:49:12,577 and 233 will be clear on an N4. 948 00:49:12,577 --> 00:49:14,167 - And I was just honest with them, 949 00:49:14,167 --> 00:49:16,087 "Yeah, I saw something in the sky." 950 00:49:16,087 --> 00:49:17,190 "Well what do you think it was?" 951 00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:19,350 I said, "I thought it was pretty." 952 00:49:19,350 --> 00:49:22,020 I did not feel threatened in any way. 953 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:26,443 You know, I was just was more, I don't know, mesmerized. 954 00:49:26,443 --> 00:49:27,690 Yeah, I'd just tell 'em, but, you know, 955 00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:28,807 and then I would tell the people, "Look, 956 00:49:28,807 --> 00:49:30,247 "if they had hostile intentions, 957 00:49:30,247 --> 00:49:32,167 "if they really are from somewhere far away, 958 00:49:32,167 --> 00:49:34,627 "and they have the technology to get here, 959 00:49:34,627 --> 00:49:35,737 "if they were hostile, 960 00:49:35,737 --> 00:49:37,357 "do you think any of us would still be here? 961 00:49:37,357 --> 00:49:39,270 "They could wipe us out." 962 00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:40,927 I said, "If they had hostile intentions, 963 00:49:40,927 --> 00:49:42,957 "you would not be here, I would not be here," 964 00:49:42,957 --> 00:49:45,781 and I said, "Nobody would be here." 965 00:49:45,781 --> 00:49:48,727 And I said, "If anything, I think they're just, 966 00:49:48,727 --> 00:49:50,827 "if it's anything from anywhere else, 967 00:49:50,827 --> 00:49:52,327 "they're here to take a look." 968 00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:55,350 I was facing the white pink mountains, yes sir, 969 00:49:55,350 --> 00:49:57,450 and Luke Air Force Base was off in that direction 970 00:49:57,450 --> 00:50:01,800 'cause Youngstown is like from Grand and 111th Avenue, 971 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,050 and it goes down to Peoria Avenue 972 00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:05,850 and it ends at the river bottom, 973 00:50:05,850 --> 00:50:07,050 the Agua Fria River bottom, 974 00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:08,880 and Luke Air Force Base is West of that. 975 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,287 So that's why I thought, "Well it's probably something 976 00:50:11,287 --> 00:50:14,340 "from Luke Air Force Base," but again, the silence, 977 00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:16,380 that kinda blew my mind a little bit, 978 00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:19,200 'cause I was like, planes are not silent. 979 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,860 This thing was just barely moving at a crawl. 980 00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:24,540 But then it also astounds me too, 981 00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:26,040 'cause when I saw it, last saw it, 982 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,920 it was like right here, over the white tanks, 983 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,990 then I went in, answered the phone, 984 00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:33,750 you know, "Hi, your report number is, okay, see you later," 985 00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:36,420 hang up, go right back, literally that long, 986 00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:38,520 and when I opened the door, this was gone. 987 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,000 So if it had been just moving still at that same pace, 988 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,080 it might have been to, like, there, at that same pace, 989 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,730 but it was gone when I went back to the door. 990 00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:48,563 So I don't know. 991 00:50:49,950 --> 00:50:52,380 - [Interviewer] We'll have another conversation about this. 992 00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:54,158 - Yeah. - At another time. 993 00:50:54,158 --> 00:50:55,543 - Yeah. - But uh, 994 00:50:55,543 --> 00:50:57,511 this is interesting to me. 995 00:50:57,511 --> 00:50:59,921 That is an area of interest that-- (voice fades) 996 00:50:59,921 --> 00:51:03,754 (indiscernible radio chatter) 997 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:12,130 (radio chatter continues) 998 00:51:17,166 --> 00:51:18,867 - [Speaker] You know, he had called me 999 00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:22,274 and he knows I don't talk about it. 1000 00:51:22,274 --> 00:51:25,440 You know, I've had people over the years ask me about it. 1001 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,203 I really don't say anything much about it, you know. 1002 00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:32,730 I've had conversations with my kids about it, 1003 00:51:32,730 --> 00:51:35,550 and maybe some other close family members, 1004 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:38,250 but as far as public statements, 1005 00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:42,310 I don't make, and the reason I don't make 'em 1006 00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:48,230 is because I see myself as a, known as a, 1007 00:51:51,219 --> 00:51:54,390 I wanna say (mutters) I gotta use another word. 1008 00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:59,090 I'm nervous, but (mutters) you know? 1009 00:51:59,090 --> 00:52:01,500 And then at the same time, 1010 00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,170 what I was doing could be verified. 1011 00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:05,130 - [Interviewer] Yeah, absolutely, 1012 00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:06,840 I mean-- - You know what I'm saying? 1013 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,760 - You were a cop. - So, 1014 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,410 in reality, that is a dangerous place to be 1015 00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:16,680 if you have people who don't want something to be known. 1016 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,880 You get what I'm saying? 1017 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,710 So, I've kept it to myself, 1018 00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:26,040 not to discuss with anybody or any group of people 1019 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,260 and I've had people here all the time, 1020 00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:31,507 and I just, you know, one thing I ask people all the time, 1021 00:52:31,507 --> 00:52:32,879 "What's it like?" 1022 00:52:32,879 --> 00:52:34,560 And they can't tell me then (mutters) 1023 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,473 God knows you didn't see nothing, you know? 1024 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,130 I know there's no way you coulda, like I said, 1025 00:52:41,130 --> 00:52:42,540 no way you coulda saw those lights 1026 00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:44,712 and then you turned and did something else, 1027 00:52:44,712 --> 00:52:46,920 and something else had to take your attention away 1028 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:47,850 to where you couldn't do it, 1029 00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:50,250 but if you were able to look at the lights, 1030 00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:51,420 you wouldn't have turned your head. 1031 00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:52,680 - Exactly. - But again, 1032 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,430 you could stay in a situation where 1033 00:52:55,825 --> 00:52:59,130 the outside forces cause you not to follow the lights, 1034 00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:00,300 like you're traveling in the car 1035 00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,540 or something happened, you just can't see 'em. 1036 00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:07,860 So, I told Rico, I wanna talk to you 1037 00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:09,000 only from the standpoint 1038 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,267 not to come out as a eyewitness to this, 1039 00:53:12,267 --> 00:53:15,370 but there's thousands of 'em out there. 1040 00:53:15,370 --> 00:53:17,523 - Yep. - But more of to make sure 1041 00:53:17,523 --> 00:53:20,100 that when you talk to somebody, 1042 00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,340 you know whether or not they saw the lights or not, 1043 00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:25,190 or they're just part of the groupies. 1044 00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:28,200 And for myself, 1045 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,096 and let's not exclude what happened to the lights, 1046 00:53:31,096 --> 00:53:31,929 there isn't actual footage, 1047 00:53:31,929 --> 00:53:33,720 because if you had a camera on it, 1048 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,180 you definitely didn't turn the camera off. 1049 00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:41,040 So, yeah, you show me footage of just lights, it's not true. 1050 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,110 That's what I mean is that 1051 00:53:43,110 --> 00:53:45,733 people ask and I ask 'em, "What happened to the lights?" 1052 00:53:45,733 --> 00:53:47,733 Well, what does your film show? 1053 00:53:48,684 --> 00:53:51,101 And if you can't, you know, (muttering) 1054 00:53:51,101 --> 00:53:51,934 you can't show me what happened to the lights, 1055 00:53:51,934 --> 00:53:53,970 then you didn't see it. 1056 00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:56,370 - [Interviewer] One thing I would like you to do is 1057 00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:02,240 explain what it's like being a Phoenix police officer 1058 00:54:03,149 --> 00:54:05,045 in 1997. 1059 00:54:05,045 --> 00:54:09,563 - [Speaker] Well, there's uh, 1060 00:54:09,563 --> 00:54:13,013 it was kind of uh, kind of awkward, you know, 1061 00:54:13,013 --> 00:54:16,620 being an African American law enforcement. 1062 00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:21,300 You know, you have the law enforcement side of things 1063 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:25,650 that you are, you know, that you live, 1064 00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:27,960 that you live, it's your livelihood, 1065 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,647 and then you have the African American side of it 1066 00:54:30,647 --> 00:54:35,647 and that was during the time of AWA, you know, 1067 00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:38,880 that type of music about, you know, 1068 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,490 police and persons in Black communities, 1069 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:44,611 Rodney King, all that kind of stuff. 1070 00:54:44,611 --> 00:54:46,463 You know, so you're kind of stuck in the middle, 1071 00:54:47,340 --> 00:54:50,430 trying to figure out, you know, which way to look, 1072 00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:51,663 or how to look. 1073 00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:56,370 They were interesting times. 1074 00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:58,049 They were real interesting times. 1075 00:54:58,049 --> 00:54:59,880 I mean, I was a police sergeant at the time 1076 00:55:00,953 --> 00:55:02,103 when all this occurred. 1077 00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:07,530 - [Interviewer] Your perspective on this, 1078 00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:10,770 especially painting that picture of the 90s, 1079 00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:13,800 or at least '97, that's huge, you know, 1080 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,620 especially coming, you know, from a sergeant. 1081 00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:18,210 So-- - Mmhmm. 1082 00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:20,463 - [Interviewer] March 13th, Thursday, 1083 00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:25,020 you know, early evening, what are you doing? 1084 00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:27,330 - [Speaker] Well, early evening, 1085 00:55:27,330 --> 00:55:30,124 I'm just starting my shift. 1086 00:55:30,124 --> 00:55:33,110 I should have started about 8:30, 8:30 or 9:00 1087 00:55:33,110 --> 00:55:34,530 is when my shift started. 1088 00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:36,900 I was working third shift at the time. 1089 00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:39,787 At that time, I'm based out of Ahwatukee 1090 00:55:39,787 --> 00:55:40,800 They got a little cell station there, 1091 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,590 48th Street and Ray Road. 1092 00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,860 So I'm basically monitoring Ahwatukee 1093 00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:48,940 and South side of Phoenix 1094 00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:54,063 'cause there's no sergeant lieutenant around at the time, 1095 00:55:54,063 --> 00:55:55,620 they were busy on something else. 1096 00:55:55,620 --> 00:56:00,620 But all Ahwatukee Foothills and top mountainside 1097 00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:04,923 from central to Tempe, up to Van Buren. 1098 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,983 I'm just out on patrol at the time. 1099 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,170 - [Interviewer] Okay, 1100 00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:14,550 so you have, it just keeps getting interesting 1101 00:56:14,550 --> 00:56:19,550 because you have a perspective further South-- 1102 00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:23,140 - Yeah. - Than what, all right, okay. 1103 00:56:24,301 --> 00:56:27,284 - [Speaker] So I see everything 1104 00:56:27,284 --> 00:56:30,387 from the other side of the mountain. 1105 00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:33,030 - [Interviewer] And it's pretty much open view over there. 1106 00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:35,700 Paint the picture for me, sun's going down, 1107 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,370 is it completely dark, you're in your car? 1108 00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:40,950 - [Speaker] Oh, it was absolutely dark, 1109 00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:43,870 had to be later than 9:30, 10:00 when I saw it 1110 00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:49,050 'cause it was dark and there was not a lot of traffic. 1111 00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:50,450 I was (mutters) by 8:00, so, 1112 00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:55,053 it didn't have to be that late. 1113 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,790 But, you know, late enough to where 1114 00:56:57,790 --> 00:57:00,615 there was very little traffic out there. 1115 00:57:00,615 --> 00:57:02,910 There was very little traffic on the baseline also. 1116 00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:05,610 So the times, it just seems to me, 1117 00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:08,370 the time was much later, I can't remember a time. 1118 00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:10,050 The time must have been more like 1119 00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:13,953 around 10:30, 11:00, 10:30, 12:00, 1120 00:57:13,953 --> 00:57:18,953 well then I think about the activities going on. 1121 00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:23,043 Well, what I see are the lights coming from the West. 1122 00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:30,590 Like our West, lights shaped in, like a uneven boomerang. 1123 00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:40,020 Is how I saw it, you know, shaped like a boomerang, 1124 00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:43,110 a triangle, moving a triangle, 1125 00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:46,104 but like a boomerang with more lights on the left 1126 00:57:46,104 --> 00:57:47,640 than there were on the right. 1127 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,300 So it's coming westbound, I'm coming eastbound from the west 1128 00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:53,370 so I can't really tell what it's over 1129 00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:55,740 because like if I'm in Ahwatukee, 1130 00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:59,970 driving toward the north side, and I see it coming, 1131 00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:02,157 I'm trying to figure out what it is. 1132 00:58:02,157 --> 00:58:03,960 And I then I stopped and just kind of watched it 1133 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,317 slowly move across the city, 1134 00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:10,170 but I can't tell if it's going over Central Phoenix 1135 00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:12,657 or it's going over South end, it's just big. 1136 00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:18,337 - [Interviewer] I believe there were more than that one. 1137 00:58:20,116 --> 00:58:21,418 - [Speaker] It was. 1138 00:58:21,418 --> 00:58:23,100 (voices overlap) I know it had to be after 9:30 1139 00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:24,723 'cause I wasn't at work yet. 1140 00:58:26,337 --> 00:58:29,583 It had to be between 9:30 and midnight. 1141 00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:33,270 - [Interviewer] When it's coming towards you, 1142 00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:37,380 does it veer in any direction? 1143 00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:39,123 Does it go over? 1144 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,490 What does it do? 1145 00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:45,540 - [Speaker] Okay, the lights, or what I saw, 1146 00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:47,310 or probably the pilots saw, 1147 00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:48,987 they had to been that time of night 1148 00:58:48,987 --> 00:58:50,640 for what was going on. 1149 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,160 It wasn't early, there wasn't a lot of people around, 1150 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,140 so it had to be late. 1151 00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:57,690 That's why, I keep hearing 8:00, 8:30, 1152 00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:59,661 I'm like, no, it couldn't have been 8:00, 8:30, 1153 00:58:59,661 --> 00:59:00,983 I wasn't even at work then. 1154 00:59:02,195 --> 00:59:05,830 The light that I saw had to happen, really, 1155 00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:07,830 I think it had to happen 1156 00:59:07,830 --> 00:59:10,107 between 11:00 and 2:00 in the morning 1157 00:59:10,107 --> 00:59:13,200 and the reason I say that because nobody was around, 1158 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,483 you know, the police radio was quiet. 1159 00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:21,860 I was waiting to hear dispatchers state 1160 00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:26,010 people are seeing things, but nothing ever happened. 1161 00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:30,093 Not a word came on the radio at the time. 1162 00:59:32,130 --> 00:59:37,130 You know, and I was so stunned by what happened, what I saw, 1163 00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:41,610 that I went down to the precinct on Southern and 7th Street, 1164 00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:44,040 I just went in to get in there, 1165 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,589 walked around to see if anybody gonna say anything. 1166 00:59:46,589 --> 00:59:50,130 Nobody said anything, nothing on the radio, no nothing, 1167 00:59:50,130 --> 00:59:53,760 at all, and the first time I heard anybody 1168 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,883 mention anything about it was the next day, 1169 00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:01,350 people were calling in the next morning about what they saw 1170 01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:03,570 and the governor, at the time, 1171 01:00:03,570 --> 01:00:06,687 was giving excuses, I guess you could say, 1172 01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:09,840 what people might have saw. 1173 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,277 It was then that I knew that I'm not saying anything 1174 01:00:13,277 --> 01:00:17,280 'cause there's no way people didn't see what I saw 1175 01:00:19,017 --> 01:00:21,930 and obvious they don't want it to be known 1176 01:00:21,930 --> 01:00:24,030 as what I saw to be what it was. 1177 01:00:24,030 --> 01:00:26,397 So it was at that point that I decided 1178 01:00:26,397 --> 01:00:28,020 I'm not gonna say anything because at that time, 1179 01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:31,080 I knew you're the police sergeant on duty 1180 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,231 and you can verify where I was at 1181 01:00:33,231 --> 01:00:37,080 and what I was doing by radio and by computer, 1182 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,250 tracking the car and all that, 1183 01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:41,100 you can see that whatever I figured would be true, 1184 01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:44,520 and if it's not something that should be known to everybody, 1185 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,045 somehow or anther, 1186 01:00:46,045 --> 01:00:51,045 I would be subject to whatever needed to be done, 1187 01:00:51,625 --> 01:00:53,725 let me keep my feelings to myself. 1188 01:00:53,725 --> 01:00:55,080 'Cause I knew enough about being a police officer 1189 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,460 as long as I had been that there are things 1190 01:00:56,460 --> 01:00:59,152 the public needs to know and things they don't need to know. 1191 01:00:59,152 --> 01:01:00,780 - Exactly. - You know. 1192 01:01:00,780 --> 01:01:04,680 I understand that very clearly just in my job alone. 1193 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,750 You know, working the streets at night, 1194 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:08,940 you go out there and do your police work 1195 01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:13,360 and you have homicides, you have death, all these things, 1196 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,193 the greatest thing you can do, 1197 01:01:14,193 --> 01:01:16,600 get the streets cleaned up before anybody wake up. 1198 01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,180 So they can have their normal day, you know. 1199 01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:25,050 They may hear about tragedy that happened on the news, 1200 01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:26,220 but they didn't see it, 1201 01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:28,170 so it doesn't become a conscious thing. 1202 01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:31,800 They just get back on the road 1203 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,800 and going through like nothing happened. 1204 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,720 So for me, it was like, well, 1205 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,968 this is one of those situations 1206 01:01:37,968 --> 01:01:39,210 where the public don't need to know. 1207 01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:42,870 Until a government worker says what was going on, 1208 01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:45,090 I'm gonna keep this to myself. 1209 01:01:45,090 --> 01:01:48,030 I share with my own kids from the standpoint of 1210 01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:50,467 I tell them, "You must understand, 1211 01:01:50,467 --> 01:01:52,483 "there is much more to this world 1212 01:01:52,483 --> 01:01:53,797 "than what they're willing to let you see. 1213 01:01:53,797 --> 01:01:57,967 "You must open your eyes and your ears and your sixth sense 1214 01:01:57,967 --> 01:02:01,140 "to what's truly out there in (mutters) 1215 01:02:02,209 --> 01:02:04,509 "'Cause what they're showing you is not true." 1216 01:02:05,862 --> 01:02:08,400 (voices overlap) I never told them 1217 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,753 what happened to the lights, 1218 01:02:09,753 --> 01:02:10,586 I didn't tell nobody what happened with the lights. 1219 01:02:10,586 --> 01:02:13,230 The only reason I'm telling you 1220 01:02:13,230 --> 01:02:15,660 is because you're doing a documentary 1221 01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:17,707 and I want you to ask that question, 1222 01:02:17,707 --> 01:02:19,770 "What happened to the lights?" 1223 01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:22,950 And the only way, again, 1224 01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:27,950 that you should accept their description of what happened 1225 01:02:28,107 --> 01:02:32,588 is if their reasoning about what happened to the lights 1226 01:02:32,588 --> 01:02:33,421 makes sense. 1227 01:02:33,421 --> 01:02:35,280 They're not there now, 1228 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,380 and then all of a sudden, they're gone, no. 1229 01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:40,743 - [Interviewer] Were they near the mountain ranges anywhere? 1230 01:02:41,730 --> 01:02:43,890 - [Speaker] They were closer to the South Mountain Range, 1231 01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:45,930 they were up North 'cause I thought 1232 01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:47,785 they were flying were I'm seeing, 1233 01:02:47,785 --> 01:02:48,618 the way I'm looking at 'em, 1234 01:02:48,618 --> 01:02:52,110 but it's so big, they were very wide, 1235 01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:55,965 so, but they were close to the mountainside. 1236 01:02:55,965 --> 01:02:58,650 They didn't cross over the mountain at all. 1237 01:02:58,650 --> 01:03:03,650 If I was to guess, I would say I'm at 48th Street, 1238 01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:05,580 and they're at 51st Avenue. 1239 01:03:05,580 --> 01:03:07,473 Look they're so big, they look close. 1240 01:03:09,607 --> 01:03:12,210 I mean, it's a wide spread, the lights. 1241 01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:14,490 I can't see what the lights are attached to, 1242 01:03:14,490 --> 01:03:15,930 I can just see the lights. 1243 01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:17,862 That's why I say it had to be far away 1244 01:03:17,862 --> 01:03:20,221 'cause all I could see is lights and not necessarily, 1245 01:03:20,221 --> 01:03:22,800 you know how you could see a car headlights in the distance? 1246 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,540 All you see is the lights? 1247 01:03:24,540 --> 01:03:25,470 - Yeah. - As you get closer, 1248 01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:28,170 you see the lights and the car, but in this case, 1249 01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:30,373 I couldn't see the body the lights were on, 1250 01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:31,680 I just see the lights. 1251 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,530 That's why I say they had to be far away. 1252 01:03:34,530 --> 01:03:38,900 So for myself, as I say, I don't look up in the sky anymore 1253 01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:43,230 'cause I do not need any proof of anything anymore. 1254 01:03:43,230 --> 01:03:45,570 I don't need verification 'cause I saw what I saw 1255 01:03:45,570 --> 01:03:48,573 and you can't tell me what I didn't see, you know. 1256 01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:53,430 And I got there before 'cause of my, 1257 01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:54,753 what I was doing at the time, 1258 01:03:54,753 --> 01:03:58,960 that just makes me more safe, more verifiable, 1259 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,944 'cause you can just check all the records 1260 01:04:00,944 --> 01:04:03,120 and see where I was at and what I was doin'. 1261 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,790 And the mere fact that nothing came over the police radio 1262 01:04:05,790 --> 01:04:09,600 at all, and then you go into the precinct 1263 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,817 and nobody said anything, you know, 1264 01:04:12,817 --> 01:04:15,420 I mean, the station was empty anyway without no police. 1265 01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:17,430 There were no officers around except for 1266 01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:18,480 the clerk at the counter, 1267 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,120 maybe a couple officers doing paperwork, 1268 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,505 but I kinda hung around the office 1269 01:04:23,505 --> 01:04:24,780 about an hour, hour and a half, 1270 01:04:24,780 --> 01:04:28,395 just, if somebody would just say something, 1271 01:04:28,395 --> 01:04:30,090 something came over the police radio. 1272 01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:32,250 Like I said, ain't nothing come out 1273 01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:34,820 until the next morning, I saw it on the news. 1274 01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:37,590 - [Interviewer] So I'm looking at it right now. 1275 01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:40,290 The reports that came in that started to come in, 1276 01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:45,290 they started at 7:55 in Henderson, Nevada. 1277 01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:51,900 I'm not too familiar with the Henderson area, so you know-- 1278 01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:55,050 - [Speaker] Henderson is like a suburb of Vegas almost. 1279 01:04:55,050 --> 01:04:56,400 They are pretty much attached. 1280 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,733 You cross the street and, you know, and you're in Vegas. 1281 01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:04,080 And it's on the south end of town, 1282 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,704 it was just below the highway that connected 1283 01:05:07,704 --> 01:05:10,083 the 15 to Henderson. 1284 01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:12,600 That was south of McCarran Airport, 1285 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,770 but anyways, I was working what they call a crusher, 1286 01:05:16,770 --> 01:05:19,560 and a crusher is a piece of equipment that crushes, 1287 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,920 you know, big rock, concrete, and stuff, into small rock, 1288 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,800 and they use it for road base and all that kind of stuff, 1289 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,780 for building highways and stuff. 1290 01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:31,620 But we were working at night and I'm used to seeing 1291 01:05:31,620 --> 01:05:35,700 all the air traffic coming in from the east 1292 01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:38,130 to land at McCarran Airport, that was common. 1293 01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:40,790 I mean, there was planes lined up all the time, 1294 01:05:40,790 --> 01:05:43,890 and then I'm used to seeing all the planes to the north 1295 01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:47,190 that come straight from the north to the south 1296 01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:51,783 and line up and land at Nellis Air Force Base. 1297 01:05:53,130 --> 01:05:56,460 That's common every night kind of thing. 1298 01:05:56,460 --> 01:06:01,460 And since I was on the south end of town, 1299 01:06:03,030 --> 01:06:05,130 the piece of equipment that I was running was a loader 1300 01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:07,860 and I'm loading the plant with rocks, you know, 1301 01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,930 to turn into a base. 1302 01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:12,180 So every time I went to load the plant, 1303 01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:14,370 I'm looking straight north, 1304 01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:17,460 and my father and grandfather are both pilots 1305 01:06:17,460 --> 01:06:19,290 and I've been around aircraft since, you know, 1306 01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:22,170 as far back as a baby, 1307 01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:24,780 so I understand how aircraft work, you know, 1308 01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:25,890 they're perpetual motion, 1309 01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:28,650 they have to stay moving to stay in the air. 1310 01:06:28,650 --> 01:06:31,470 I don't know how I remembered noticing the lights, 1311 01:06:31,470 --> 01:06:33,780 but you know, I noticed a couple lights 1312 01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:37,260 and I went back, I get more rock, you know, 1313 01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:39,180 scoop it up with a bucket and I go back 1314 01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:42,390 and I'm just, you know, I just keep seeing these lights 1315 01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:44,370 and they just look unusual to me. 1316 01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:46,740 It's like, well that's not traffic 1317 01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:48,450 coming in to either one of the airports, 1318 01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:50,340 that's, can't be helicopters, you know, 1319 01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:52,390 they're perfectly spaced, it seemed like, 1320 01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:56,373 and it just didn't make any sense to me. 1321 01:06:57,450 --> 01:06:59,970 So, you know, I just kept watching and kept watching, 1322 01:06:59,970 --> 01:07:01,350 and kept watching, they were there for like, 1323 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:04,140 you know, I'd say probably 45 minutes, 1324 01:07:04,140 --> 01:07:06,270 you know, or better, you know? 1325 01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:08,130 And finally I stopped 1326 01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:09,577 and I yelled at the guy in the crushers, says, 1327 01:07:09,577 --> 01:07:12,673 "Hey, look at that," and he stood there for a few minutes 1328 01:07:12,673 --> 01:07:14,010 and looked at it and just shrugged his shoulder, 1329 01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:15,990 like, you know, he didn't know what it was either, 1330 01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:19,680 and as you know, if you're familiar with Vegas, 1331 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,320 Nellis Air Force Base is on the north end of town, 1332 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,030 on the very north end, 1333 01:07:24,030 --> 01:07:29,030 and to the west of that, farther north, is Area 51. 1334 01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:34,490 And all that area in between Area 51 and the highway 1335 01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:38,550 is all pretty much Nellis Air Force Base training grounds. 1336 01:07:38,550 --> 01:07:41,880 So it all looked like it was that far north of town. 1337 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,660 I remember going over someplace, I was at somebody's house, 1338 01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,550 and then this thing came on the news 1339 01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:48,990 about the lights over Phoenix 1340 01:07:48,990 --> 01:07:52,650 and when I saw the lights that they had taken pictures of, 1341 01:07:52,650 --> 01:07:57,037 I'm like, "Holy crap, that is the exact same thing I saw, 1342 01:07:57,037 --> 01:07:58,557 "north of Vegas." 1343 01:07:59,580 --> 01:08:01,680 I mean, it literally looked the same. 1344 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,310 It had that same, it didn't look as curved as the ones 1345 01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:07,350 I seen in the Vegas thing, 1346 01:08:07,350 --> 01:08:09,780 but it looked exactly spaced out 1347 01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:12,308 and looked just like those lights. 1348 01:08:12,308 --> 01:08:15,270 And I know that they tried to say the ones in Phoenix 1349 01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:16,353 were flares. 1350 01:08:17,190 --> 01:08:19,915 I've seen flares, now I've done search and rescue, 1351 01:08:19,915 --> 01:08:22,050 I've been around flares. 1352 01:08:22,050 --> 01:08:25,170 Flares go up in the sky for a couple of minutes 1353 01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:28,320 and they sway back and forth as they come down 1354 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,210 and they give a shimmering light. 1355 01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:32,490 These stayed up there, you know, 1356 01:08:32,490 --> 01:08:35,430 for like 45 minutes at least. 1357 01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:38,250 And they didn't move and it just, 1358 01:08:38,250 --> 01:08:39,800 it didn't make any sense to me. 1359 01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:43,920 What I saw was exactly what was 1360 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,533 in those pictures from Phoenix. 1361 01:08:47,525 --> 01:08:50,343 They were more toward Area 51, 1362 01:08:51,224 --> 01:08:53,280 but they weren't that far away, I don't believe. 1363 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,810 I don't know, you know, 1364 01:08:54,810 --> 01:08:57,793 I couldn't tell how far away they were, you know? 1365 01:08:57,793 --> 01:08:59,640 I just know that it was unusual. 1366 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,770 It looked like, if you're familiar with Vegas, 1367 01:09:01,770 --> 01:09:03,390 on the north end of Vegas, 1368 01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:04,770 there's a mountain range there. 1369 01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:05,790 - [Interviewer] Yep. 1370 01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:06,930 - [Speaker] And it goes across. 1371 01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:09,840 And highway 15 goes up one side of it 1372 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,660 and then highway 95 goes up the other side, 1373 01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:15,903 toward Western Nevada. 1374 01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:20,100 And that mountian range goes all across there 1375 01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:23,130 and that's all Nellis Air Force Base. 1376 01:09:23,130 --> 01:09:25,230 And that's where it was, it wasn't, 1377 01:09:25,230 --> 01:09:26,790 I believe all the lights that I saw 1378 01:09:26,790 --> 01:09:28,620 were maybe six to eight lights. 1379 01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:30,063 I never saw more than that. 1380 01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:33,400 - [Interviewer] The next report comes from 1381 01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:39,470 Paulden, Arizona, by another police officer at about 8:10. 1382 01:09:41,821 --> 01:09:42,654 - [Speaker] Where was this at? 1383 01:09:42,654 --> 01:09:44,250 - [Interviewer] This was in Paulden, Arizona, 1384 01:09:44,250 --> 01:09:46,623 and this is verified information. 1385 01:09:48,330 --> 01:09:52,983 At 8:15, 1386 01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:59,140 you have the Lay family at North Phoenix, 1387 01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:05,910 I was at Sky Harbor, my bus was late. 1388 01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:10,530 Normally the last, I catch the second to the last bus. 1389 01:10:10,530 --> 01:10:14,490 The bus I was on, the redline, was late. 1390 01:10:14,490 --> 01:10:19,490 That was about 8:15, 8:30-ish, 1391 01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:22,140 when we crossed over the bridge 1392 01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:25,620 and when I first saw the lights, 1393 01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:27,870 that was, I would say, about 8:15, 8:30. 1394 01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:29,936 Here's-- - What you saw, 1395 01:10:29,936 --> 01:10:32,040 and what I'm talking about are not the same. 1396 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,502 - [Interviewer] No, absolutely not, absolutely not. 1397 01:10:35,502 --> 01:10:38,280 I think all together, that night, 1398 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,670 I boiled it down to about nine different events, 1399 01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:45,300 totalling 'til about 3:00 that morning. 1400 01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:46,133 - [Speaker] That's why I said 1401 01:10:46,133 --> 01:10:48,033 it had to be between 11:00 and 2:00 in the morning, 1402 01:10:48,033 --> 01:10:51,000 but it's, the lights showed that I'm talking about, 1403 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,370 and probably what that pilot was talking about. 1404 01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:56,100 And like I said before, you know, 1405 01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:59,607 I never told Rico about what happened to the light, 1406 01:10:59,607 --> 01:11:00,463 he acknowledged what happened to the light, 1407 01:11:00,463 --> 01:11:03,060 I just won't tell him, you know? 1408 01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:04,920 The only reason I'm telling you, 1409 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,327 that's truly something you want to keep to yourself 1410 01:11:07,327 --> 01:11:11,680 as your, the card that you hide 1411 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,840 because that's gonna help you understand 1412 01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:17,850 which light they might have saw 1413 01:11:17,850 --> 01:11:20,310 and if they actually saw the light. 1414 01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:22,260 - [Interviewer] What I'm interested in knowing 1415 01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:25,050 is because where you're at, 1416 01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:27,783 your southeast part of the city, 1417 01:11:28,740 --> 01:11:33,740 seeing them come straight from the West to the East, 1418 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,110 right, behind that mountain, 1419 01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:41,670 so when they, you know, they're coming towards you-- 1420 01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:42,570 - [Speaker] Right. 1421 01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:44,580 - [Interviewer] What did they do? 1422 01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:45,723 Where did they go? 1423 01:11:46,864 --> 01:11:48,450 - [Speaker] Okay, now this is key for you, 1424 01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:51,753 when you're talking to folks, what happened to the lights? 1425 01:11:53,266 --> 01:11:54,300 Okay? 1426 01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,362 And this is something you have to keep to yourself 1427 01:11:56,362 --> 01:11:57,210 if you're gonna be able to identify 1428 01:11:57,210 --> 01:11:58,970 who's telling you the truth, 1429 01:11:58,970 --> 01:12:02,220 or who's just talking to get part of the bandwagon. 1430 01:12:02,220 --> 01:12:04,140 Before the lights crossed my path, 1431 01:12:04,140 --> 01:12:07,710 like I would say about 48th Street, 1432 01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:11,670 before they crossed my path, all of a sudden-- 1433 01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:13,050 - [Narrator] The story of the Phoenix lights 1434 01:12:13,050 --> 01:12:15,360 has become diluted with some false information 1435 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,920 over the years. 1436 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,530 Sensationalized as just one event 1437 01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:21,303 that only happened in one night. 1438 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,393 Learn what happened to the lights in the upcoming movie. 1439 01:12:28,108 --> 01:12:31,608 (rhythmic dramatic music) 1440 01:12:37,503 --> 01:12:41,836 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1441 01:12:47,589 --> 01:12:51,922 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1442 01:12:57,298 --> 01:13:01,631 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1443 01:13:07,452 --> 01:13:11,785 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1444 01:13:17,274 --> 01:13:21,607 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1445 01:13:27,337 --> 01:13:31,670 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1446 01:13:37,464 --> 01:13:41,797 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1447 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,733 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1448 01:13:57,434 --> 01:14:01,767 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1449 01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:11,803 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1450 01:14:17,290 --> 01:14:21,623 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1451 01:14:27,455 --> 01:14:31,788 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 1452 01:14:37,179 --> 01:14:41,512 (rhythmic dramatic music continues) 108678

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