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I feel like we're in some video game
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Look at some of you guys.
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You've got headphones and mics.
I feel unprepared here.
Fortnite, Call of Duty.
That's what it looks like.
It looks like we're in some Twitch gaming
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All right, well I think we're...
Can you guys hear that ding when it
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Those are people coming in.
Okay, so how's everyone doing?
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Nobody wants to talk.
I feel like that's like 2020 right there.
Everyone's like, how are you doing?
You're like, well, fine.
You know the meme with the little dog
and the room burning?
Yeah, that's 2020.
Yeah, exactly.
I feel like I've said I don't know
more this year than I think any other
year in my life.
It's a constant, I don't know.
I don't know.
It is what it is.
Okay, so I've never...
I've done workshops, obviously, but I've never done
a Zoom Q&A talk.
So I'm just...
Has anyone been to...
Brittany, you have.
Has anyone been to a workshop of mine?
No.
I think Gio, yeah.
Okay, so really every workshop I do, I'm
really just...
Even when I say I'm a patron, I
want...
Whatever you guys need to know, just ask.
I don't have...
I never have set agendas to anything because
I feel like if I talk about something,
someone might hear it and be like, yeah,
that has no application.
Where if you need to ask someone or
ask me something, I just leave it up
to you.
So again, nothing's off limits.
So I kind of just...
I don't know how we'll do it with
a bunch of people.
If someone just starts talking and you hear
someone talking, maybe just throw your hand up
like we're in class and just say, hey,
I got a question.
But yeah, so I kind of just leave
it up to you guys.
I really am just here to answer whatever
you guys want.
Whatever you need to know or whatever you
want to know or whatever you want to
do, fire away.
So I don't know who's going to go
first.
No one.
Cool.
Okay, so...
All right, Meredith.
Can you hear?
Cool.
I'm really curious about how you would...
I don't know.
I mean, I shoot probably 40 plus weddings
a season.
And it gets tedious towards the end of
the season.
You feel like you're just redoing the same
stuff.
How do you not do that, I guess?
Well, yeah.
So I wouldn't say I'm not doing it.
I feel like we all have like...
We all kind of go into a wedding
with somewhat of a formula.
Like we kind of know what we're going
to do, how we're going to do it.
And then there's obviously offshoots with every couple.
It's going to be a little different how
you're going to pose.
Because one pose might work for someone else
and whatnot.
But to me, I would say what I'm
showing online definitely looks different than what an
actual full gallery might look like.
Okay?
So I've always had this...
I don't know if it's a philosophy.
But this mentality going into weddings where this
may be your 40th wedding of the year.
But this is their first wedding of their
life.
Yeah.
And it's the same with locations and that.
I shoot in the mountains a lot.
And you see the mountains and you're like,
oh, Banff again.
But it's like this is their first time.
So I feel like having that mentality or
that thought process going into things where...
This might be my 40th time doing this
or my 20th time doing this.
But this is their first time.
So everything you're doing for them is new
and exciting.
Yeah.
So you can feed off that new and
exciting feeling from them.
This is why I feed off a lot
of my couples.
Obviously location is important.
But I know I get asked, where's your
favorite spot to shoot?
And I'm like, well, I've shot in some
really mediocre spots with some absolutely incredible couples.
And I'll take an incredible couple in a
mediocre spot over an amazing spot in a
mediocre couple.
Hands down every day of the week.
So to me, I think not burning out
or not feeling like you're on repeat is
really just...
If you feed off your couples, run it
through your head where this is their first
time.
This might be my 40th time doing this
pose this year.
But then maybe just do those things that
work for you.
Because we all have that pose that works
every single time.
But then maybe go left instead of right.
Maybe you went right on the angle last
time.
Go left this time.
Maybe you backlit that pose last time.
Side light it this time.
So just those minimal things.
Or shoot the same pose with a different
lens.
Maybe a totally different thing.
So I get it.
I think we all have that feeling at
the end of the season where we're like,
oh my God.
I'm just kind of done with this.
But I think feeding off excitement of couples
is huge for me.
Like I shot Brittany.
I think we're all in those moments where
we get something and we get super excited.
And then we get excited and they get
excited.
And if you can match their excitement or
even bring your excitement up a little.
Not like doing cartwheels, but being happy.
For sure.
Do you want to answer that at all?
Yeah.
I think it's one of those things.
Because I'm totally there with you.
And all my couples say that they love
the energy that I bring.
Which is great.
But I think it's that whole thing.
You do go into it thinking that this
is their day.
And you're going to make them feel amazing.
But like you say, it's that whole, great,
so now I need to shoot this again.
Because from where I am, one of the
places that people love to go is a
place called Tomato Peak.
And not quite Banff, but it's kind of
amazing views around Hawke's Bay.
So they just all want to go up
there.
So it's that whole thing of you don't
want to be giving everyone that same shot.
Yeah.
I always ask this in workshops.
Are you showing that spot a lot in
your work?
I try not to.
That's the thing.
I do and I don't.
Depending on what kind of lighting I get.
You can get some amazing sunsets and stuff
up there.
Yeah.
So I try not to show it as
much.
Yeah.
I feel like that's a huge thing.
I know talking with Jenna, she's shooting a
lot in the mountains.
And she's a lot in the mountains this
year.
And I'm like, well, it's because you're only
showing mountain work.
You're constantly showing the same photo in front
of the mountain.
Wide shot with nice clouds.
And it's like, well, that's what people are
going to hire you for.
So that's what they're expecting.
Where if you minimize that peak maybe and
just focus on more close-up stuff or
in the trees.
Or whatever differentiation that is in your work.
And start focusing that and get rid of
that epic photo.
Because everyone's going to, obviously, they're attracted to
your work.
And if they're attracted to the peak at
sunset and nice light, that's what they're probably
going to say.
Hey, Meredith, we want to go to this
peak at sunset.
And you're like, fuck, what?
I just did this last weekend.
Right?
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Thank you.
Of course.
Could I maybe ask a tangent to that?
Yeah.
An offshoot.
Yeah.
As you were saying, Meredith, you do 40
weddings.
And you have the impression near the end
of the season you're getting tired.
How has the evolution of the number of
weddings you do, Gabe, had an influence on
that feeling?
I have the impression that my creative sweet
spot is 22 weddings.
But my financial sweet spot is 25.
So I kind of have to make them
marry.
Yeah.
I feel like I'm in the same number
as you in terms of my sweet spot.
I feel like that 20 to 23 weddings
a year kind of works for me.
One of the things I started doing was
increase your pricing by a couple hundred dollars.
Because really, if someone spent, I don't know
what everyone's pricing is, but let's just say
your pricing is $3,000.
Super easy number.
Or $3,100 for eight hours.
Well, if you are shooting 25 weddings a
year, say, and if you just increase that
by $200, that's not a huge jump for
people.
If their budget's $3,100, they're probably not
going to balk at $3,300.
They might be hesitant if you jump past
that next four number.
I find anything in those $33, $34, $35,
$36, $37, $38, those are kind of subconsciously
all kind of the same thing.
It's when you get into that $4,000,
$4,100 sounds way more expensive than $39
.50. It sounds like it's another thing.
So if you just up pricing by $150,
just slowly, incrementally, not these massive jumps, it
might allow you to keep your sweet spot
and then also keep your financial sweet spot.
True.
Right?
Cool, thanks.
Yeah.
Yes.
I think you're muted.
No?
Yes, I was muted.
Sorry.
Well, maybe I don't have that native English.
I'm from Nicaragua.
We speak Spanish.
So if I'm not understood, let me know.
Well, it happened to me a long time,
well, not a long time ago, maybe one
or two years ago.
I used to shoot everything outdoors.
I know that most of your work is
made in the mountains and everything.
And I try to make a switch and
try to shoot some indoors on the couples
and everything.
And the way I see it is reducing
the space that I have for creativity.
So when I go to open spaces like
mountains, I live in Nicaragua, it's a pretty
small country.
And most of the places that the couples
or that I have available in terms of
security and not being robbed or anything are
pretty tight.
And I find myself very struggling when I'm
in the mountains.
How do you keep inspired?
Maybe what's your mindset when you're shooting in
the mountains?
Or what do you look after shooting in
the same places?
I think the biggest thing for me...
So like I said to Meredith, working on
the connection and then the light between my
couples is very secondary to my location and
what I'm in.
Obviously, I'm getting hired for these, at times,
these grand epic scenery shots.
But to me, a connection can happen anywhere
between a couple regardless if I'm in like
a bathroom with nice light.
Like I've shot in bathrooms with nice light
because they have a beautiful frosted window.
And then I've obviously shot outside in the
mountains in nice light.
So I'm always, to me, I don't...
Does everyone know Fer?
Fer?
Yeah.
So I've had this conversation with Fer and
I don't know if we've talked about it
in that video that I did with him
where we just chatted.
But he tends to get overwhelmed with big
landscapes.
He really likes to focus in on like
the couple and then just shapes and all
that stuff.
And when I'm indoors or outdoors, that's really
what I'm going to focus on is more
the couple and the light.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
Right?
Like it's...
I think a lot of us will go...
Like we'll get hired for...
It really goes both ways.
We get hired for these outdoor locations and
these amazing locations.
And we almost get sidetracked in capturing the
beauty of the environment.
We forget at times what's happening with the
couple.
And so we do like these massive landscapes
where it's like a where's Waldo.
And all of a sudden it's just become
like a landscape picture with like this, you
know, super tiny, tiny couple.
And then the flip side of that is
we go into these venues indoors and we
get so caught up that we're indoors and
not outdoors.
We forget, well, really it's about the couple
and the connection and then how we can
utilize light to emphasize that connection.
So I feel like if we focus in
on the couple because the couple is going
to be there, obviously.
Right?
Couple is the one commonality in everyone's work
regardless of location.
Right?
You always start with a couple.
And then you're always going to focus on
that.
And then you're going to add light.
And then if you get the environment, then
you're adding the environment.
But if you focus in on the couple
and light, then everything else will just be
secondary.
And then you can start to work, you
know, your environment into it.
Is that...
Yeah.
Definitely.
Thank you.
Yeah, of course.
Brittany?
So I'm curious about how you light in
flat light.
I notice that a lot of your pictures,
like including in like blue hour, they still
have nice shadows and a nice bit of
contrast.
Whereas where I'm shooting in blue hour, it
tends to just fall flat.
Okay.
I'm curious, are you like side lighting or
what do you look for?
What's the deal?
So I think one of...
Okay, yeah.
So we always don't get this beautiful like
sunset light, perfect, you know, horizontal light from
the side or from the back.
What I'm looking for, if the light is
flat, I'm looking for somewhere that is open
to sky with dark background.
Okay.
Because if you...
Like let's just say you're using...
Let's just say you're in trees, for example.
Okay.
There is a row of trees here.
And it's all forest this way.
But it's just like open field here.
And regardless if it's cloudy or what, if
you put them on that edge or against
that backdrop, you can still underexpose and still
get light, like a line of light, regardless.
It just won't obviously be intense, like a
burst of light.
But you can still get that contrast between
dark and light in your work, regardless of
sun, regardless of anything.
So as long as there's open light, open
cloud, open sky, whatever, and darkness on one
side, you can still get that look of
like contrast.
It's almost like if you imagine it's a
big softbox, as opposed to a big flash,
it's now a big softbox.
Does that make sense?
Yeah?
Yeah.
Okay.
Does that answer what you're looking for?
Um...
No.
So kind of like using nature, like the
trees as a flag, I guess you could
call it.
I would say using anything.
Anything where there is darkness behind the couple.
Okay?
So it could be like, you know, if
you're downtown, let's say there's an alleyway, right?
Buildings, alleyway.
If you put them at the front half
of that wall, there's going to be light
fall off as it gets darker down the
alley.
Right?
So as long as you're looking for darkness,
just look for the dark, and then everything
else is going to, regardless if it's sunny
or cloudy or what, it's going to be
brighter than that.
Right?
So a doorway, like a long hallway doorway
or something, if you put them on the
edge of the doorway and have light falling
into that pocket of darkness, you're going to
get it.
Or a tunnel, like a walkway tunnel.
Right?
If it's cloudy, you're going to see a
much more bright light coming in probably the
first 10 feet into the tunnel than another
20 feet down the tunnel.
Right?
So if you look for dark pockets as
opposed to, you know, just concentrating on I
have no sun, just look for like a
dark cave, essentially, or a dark...
Something that absorbs light.
Light's coming in.
There's always going to be light.
Always, always, always, regardless if it's sunny, cloudy
or what, but if you look for something
that's darker than that, you know, forest, hallway,
tunnel, garage.
Like if you open up your garage on
a cloudy day and you stand on the
corner of your garage and just shoot, you
know, let's say the garage is this way
and you're shooting and you can see light
coming in, you know, and just underexposing by
like a stop.
That back of the garage is going to
go black and there's going to be light
falling in on you.
So really just look for like dark pockets,
dark forest, dark doorways, dark whatever it is
if you can.
Because if you're shooting wide open and it's
cloudy out, there's no contrast.
Right?
It's going to be cloudy here.
There's going to be even light here.
But you need something to separate that fall
off.
So just look for something that absorbs light,
a dark whatever that may be.
Yeah?
Thanks.
Okay.
Cool.
Anyone else?
Gabe, I've been, since I watch all the
videos of you editing, I've been trying to
use with the hands and everything you do
with the couples.
And it happens to me that most of
the couples are like, and I don't know
how to tell them how to do it
right.
You know?
And it tends to be weird.
And some couples, it worked.
But out of three, two, they've been like
this.
Horrible.
So what's your direction to them?
So I find any time a couple is
holding hands and their hands are down, a
lot of the times they tend to do
this.
Right?
They tend to hold hands like this.
They interlock fingers.
Right?
So I just make jokes.
You know, there's, you know, I tell them
don't, if you grip it too hard, you
get like white knuckles.
Right?
I tell, you know, you'll see some of
my poses, like the girls, like her hands
are like this.
And he's like tickling the palm.
So I always say use your fingertips.
Really, really light, gentle, use fingertips.
Because the immediate go-to for everyone, and
it's for everybody.
When you're walking down the street holding hands
with your partner, you don't hold, you don't
touch fingertips.
Right?
You just don't walk down the street doing
this.
You like hold hands.
So when you tell people to hold hands,
they're just doing what they're normally doing.
They just grab, hold hands.
So if you tell him, you know, I
say bring your hands up, and he's going
to run his fingers up your elbow, your
forearm, and you're just going to tickle the
palm of her hand.
Right?
Tickle the tips of her fingers, the palm
of her hand, her wrist, and then back
down to her elbow.
And just tell him to use his fingertips.
Okay?
As opposed to like this.
Yeah.
And interlocking fingers.
Don't interlock fingers.
Yeah.
It looks horrible.
Grab fingers.
Because sometimes you'll see like she'll have her
hand here, or she'll be holding his fingers,
and it looks like he's an amputee.
Like he's lost his fingers.
Right?
Like it looks like this.
Right?
Looks weird in a photo.
Feels natural to them.
Looks weird in a picture.
I think that's a huge thing everybody, and
we all have to be aware of.
What feels natural doesn't always look good.
Right?
Yeah.
It doesn't look good.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
And most of the time the groom's hand
is bigger than the bride's hand.
Yeah.
So it looks like she's getting trapped.
Yeah.
So fingertips.
Just fingers really, really soft.
Yeah.
That makes all the sense in the world.
Okay.
Cool.
Anybody?
Heather?
Hey, Gabe.
Hold on.
Heather.
I think Heather.
Who said hey, Gabe?
Lee?
Yeah.
Okay.
Lee, hold on.
I'm going to give it to Heather for
a second.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you.
I just wanted to, sorry, I've got a
bit of a cough, so I'm a bit
croaky.
So I hope you can hear me.
I wanted to ask about how you shoot
and how you shoot with white balance.
Do you use auto white balance?
Because when you're sitting in your gallery and
you're for weddings, your photos just have a
really nice warmth to them.
Is that all post-edit?
Yeah.
Tell me a little bit about that.
Yeah.
So I shoot auto white balance for everything.
Unless it's really, really wonky.
I think we've been to weddings or receptions
where they have that absolutely horrible uplighting.
And it's like auto white balance just goes
weird.
So when it's really intense like that, I'll
do manually white balance for stuff.
But 99% of my stuff is auto
white balance.
And then I shoot aperture priority.
So I'm shooting aperture, auto white balance, and
then in post, I'm just warming up or
adjusting white balance, color temperature to what's needed.
Okay.
Cool.
Great.
Thank you.
Yeah, of course.
Hey buddy.
How you doing?
Yeah, not too bad.
Um, it's more like on the business side
of stuff.
Um, just kind of how, when you went
up to like the, the more luxury end
of the market, how did you find it
like attracting clients when you kind of jumped
up like a big price point?
How are the clients or how did I
attract those clients?
How did you like, how did you still
get them a client clients when you kind
of jump up like quite a high price
bracket?
So, yeah.
So I, yeah.
So my, I think my career in terms
of like financial and I charge it kind
of start there's a dog, um, kind of
started here.
And then it went like this and then
I, I didn't go back down, but I
definitely love, I brought it down again because
one of the ways that I started to
attract higher end clients was to show bigger
budget weddings, more details, more ballroom stuff, you
know, bigger dresses, all that stuff that is
associated with big budget weddings.
I think, you know, I always use the
80, 20 rule, like 80% of big
budget weddings are ballrooms, big dresses, that type
of thing.
20% are like people who aren't doing
that.
They just have a bigger budget for like
a more intimate event.
Changing what I was showing online was huge.
Definitely polishing my website, like really focus on
for years.
I had really a site that was super
simple, like super minimalistic, just photos, texts, contact.
That's it.
There was really no about me stuff.
It was just show work, keep it clean,
keep it simple because I find most people
with big budgets, that's all they want.
They just want to see good work.
They don't want all the other fluff around
it.
And then that was really how I started
to showcase that book that do that.
But then I kind of got to the
point where I was kind of tired of
shooting big budget weddings.
Like it was, I think we all, I
think everyone kind of goes on that journey
where we start here, we start to raise
our pricing.
We have this price point in head where
it's like, if I can just charge four
grand, we hit four grand and it's like,
if I could just charge five grand, you
hit five.
And it's always this stepping.
I just want to make, I just want
to break 10 grand.
That's if I can break 10 grand, you
break 10 grand.
And then it's like, well, everything below that.
It's like, oh, I don't want to do
that.
Right.
And you'll start to see, I found personally
clientele change.
When I started to get above the $10
,000 mark, it wasn't for your vendor.
Like you're just part of the day as
opposed to the day.
Right.
Yep.
And my goal in the last probably five,
six years has really been, I want to
be, I know it sounds super egotistical, but
I want to be the day.
Like I want to, I want my couples
to be so excited and on board that
I'm there to shoot their wedding.
Okay.
And then when you get that, I think
we've all had those couples.
We've all had both of spectrums.
We've all had the couple where you're a
vendor and you're just like, just doing a
shot list.
You're just doing the same thing over and
over again.
You're just kind of like pose, you know,
and they just want to party and drink.
And we've all had the couples where they're
like, you do whatever you want.
We trust you.
We'll just follow your lead.
And I think we agree.
We want the couples that say, we trust
you.
We'll just follow your lead.
Right.
So when you, when you was kind of
on that, like the point of going up
to the luxury end of the market, how
did you kind of get them weddings to
kind of then attract them clients?
If you get what I mean, how, like,
you know, how did you get them to
start with the luxury stuff?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, you know, details, luxury weddings, love details.
Like that's not a question.
Like it's my biggest budget weddings.
They're big budgets because they have massive detail
budgets.
Yeah.
So to me, every fancy wedding that I
shoot, I shoot a ton of details.
Like I will just, just so I can
have it because it is to be honest,
the elopements and the couples that love you
and the small weddings and outdoor, you know,
rustic locations.
They're like, I find, I call it, they
feed your soul.
The big budget weddings feed your bank.
Right.
Yeah.
It's I do what's every year I'll probably
do two or three of what's called bank
weddings where it's like, I'll probably never see
it, but I can shoot one and then
take like three weeks off for four weeks
off.
Right.
So it's like, you know, fair uses the
example.
Sometimes you're a pimp.
Sometimes you're a prostitute, super derogatory.
Oh my God.
True.
Right.
Do these weddings where it's just like, you
just do it because you can't not do
it.
Right.
A lot of money to shoot a wedding.
And at the end of the day we
have to realize we're shooting, we're taking pictures
for a lot of money.
Right.
So to me it's like, I'll do it.
You'll probably never see it, but yeah.
Oh yeah.
It's just details.
I would say details.
That's what I find most of my big
budget clients.
They love the big rooms, the details, the
big dress.
They're not really into like, you know, the
posy stuff for like three hour portrait sessions.
They're like, you got 20 minutes because we
got a $400,000 reception to go to.
Yeah.
Cool.
Cheers.
Hey Gabe, why did you, I don't know
if you stopped making boudoir sessions or why
is there?
Yeah.
Why did I stop?
So I started because A, I wanted a
change of weddings and B when I started
years ago, I found boudoir horrible.
Like it was so, I personally thought so
badly done.
It was this mentality of getting all dressed
up to get pictures taken to look like
nothing, what you actually look like to please
your partner or to please yourself or whatever
it is.
And I thought that's so personally asked backwards.
I was like, why would you dress up
with nothing that you look like normally?
So I was like going, I went into
boudoir with, I just want to shoot it.
No hair, no makeup in their house, in
their bedroom, just supernatural.
And I did it.
And I really, it made, it changed the
way I focused on light, which was huge
for my wedding work because I would show
up to locations indoors.
I had no idea what I was getting
into in terms of what the light was.
And I would shoot it with a light
kit camera and one lens and that was
it.
So it really focused me in on concentrating
on light and the way light hits skin.
That was huge for me.
After I did it for a few years
though, I got super bored of it.
Like it was, it became very repetitive over
and over and over again.
And I remember shooting my last one probably
three or four years ago.
It was in March and I remember leaving
there thinking, that's it.
That was my last boudoir session.
I was tired of it.
It was, you know, I was making money
at it and I kind of, I was
getting, you know, a cool portfolio, but it
was just, it wasn't creatively anything I wanted
to do anymore because I was so tired
of it.
I was like, well, I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm going to eat your quota.
Yeah, it was just, it wasn't, I wasn't
doing anything different.
I wasn't, there wasn't much more I could
do because I was shooting in the same
type of environment every single time.
Weddings, you're shooting all over the world or
shooting all over your local area and different
light, different venues, outdoors, indoors.
Boudoir was in a bedroom every time.
After like a year or two, you've kind
of shot everything you can do.
Yeah.
I actually started making, well, I was, I
saw your work and, and I said, Hey,
I really, I really want to do that.
And, and I started doing it because I
saw your pictures and yeah, I think I,
I did one, I made one like a
month ago and the last, the last one
before that was like a year and a
half ago.
So, but, but yeah, I actually got inspired
from your, your job.
So awesome.
Hey again.
So out of curiosity, so with your weddings
timelines, do you guide them with that?
Like do they tell you what they want?
Like they want sunset, they want this, or
is it more sort of driven by how
their day is put together?
If that makes sense.
Probably a bit of both, I would say
like, so I'm very hands-on with my
couples in terms of their timeline.
Like I want to know, and it's one
of the things I talk about in all
my meetings at the beginning when I meet
with couples is I'm not going to meet
with you today and then disappear and see
you next year.
Right?
Like I want to be an open book.
So any questions you guys have during the
wedding day process of planning fire me emails.
I can help.
And I always use the, you know, the
analogy, this is your first wedding.
This is my 400th wedding.
So I know if you're budgeting an hour
for this and I know it's only going
to take 20 minutes, well, we can add
another 40 minutes to some other part of
the day without adding more time.
But yeah, I work very closely with my
couple's timeline or with the planner.
If they have a planner.
I want to know to me, everything else
is kind of, I look at wedding timelines
somewhat selfishly because I want to know how
much time I have to shoot and what
like everything else, like I can't control dinners
and all that stuff, but I want to
know, Hey, if I can get you guys
out at sunset for 40 minutes during the
reception, I'm going to, I want to take
you out.
I want to put that into the timeline.
So we know that you're going out.
Right.
So.
Would you then like, where is the majority
of your timing?
If, is it sunset?
Is it, I don't know.
Will they hit into the reception or is
it.
It's it really is all over the place.
Honestly, like, you know, a typical day obviously
is like wedding ceremony, you know, family pictures,
wedding party photos, bridal port or portraits of
a couple.
And then cocktails reception.
Right.
That's kind of like a normal traditional day,
how it flows out.
And sometimes that's all I get.
You know, I might get an hour with
them on the wedding day at four o
'clock in the afternoon, which is as we,
where I am is horrible light in the
summer.
Like it's terrible.
But again, then I'm looking for trees.
I'm looking for this.
I'm looking for that.
But saying that when I have those types
of timelines, I always tell my couples, Hey,
if the light's nice at the sunsets at
nine 30 and you've just finished your first
dance, I'm going to take you guys outside
and shoot.
Right.
Just to get it in their head, to
plant that seed that they know the best
light's going to be at nine 30 or
nine 15 or whatever time that is.
And that you may ask them to go
outside or to go wherever.
Right.
You're probably not going to get your car
and go somewhere, but at least you can
get outside of the venue and go shoot
in some nice warm light.
Yeah.
But I wouldn't promise you're going to do
that, but I wouldn't not say anything.
Just plant that seed telling them it's possible
because you might get at sunset and the
light could be horrible.
And then you're like, well, I don't even
need to go out anyway.
Right.
Or the light's incredible.
And then they're totally shocked that you want
to take them out.
And then it's like, it doesn't work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause that's the issue here.
I'm presuming New Zealand's a lot like Canada
in terms of light.
So like with our daylight savings, like I
always try and encourage people to have like
this ceremony, say four 30 so that by
the time we're shooting, it's still really bright.
So six o'clock, but I try to
push them towards like, we'll do the bridal
party stuff and all the ugly light, because
it sounds really awful.
But to me, I don't really care about
the bridal party.
And then try and take the couple out
while the guests are getting seated.
So like, you know, to, to see a
hundred and something guests, it's going to take
10, 15 minutes at least.
So if I take them away for like
half an hour, and then try and get
them for another 15 minutes at sunset.
And like some of the places that we
shoot, like you say, it's not necessarily an
amazing spot, but the light is fine.
So I'm trying to push people to, to
have pockets of time as opposed to one
sort of concentrated area.
But yeah, I was just really curious about
how, if you went in sort of trying
to dictate in a nice way, how you
chose those or I, yeah, I am.
I, I, I tell all my couples, I
want to, I want to know, I want
to work with you guys on the timeline.
You know, I think we have to understand
that most of our couples are hiring us
because they love our work and they love
our work for a certain reason, right?
They, what they, what that reason is could
be super obvious, but it could be subconscious.
It could be something they just don't know.
Right.
But they're looking to you as the professional,
right?
You know, what's going to be best in
photos.
So I think we have to get more
comfortable, I think explaining to people, Hey, this
is when the best light is.
This is when we need to shoot to
get the best light or the best pictures.
Right.
And like I said, if it doesn't work
out because say the clouds or whatever the
light does, it's just not nice at that
time, then there's no loss.
But at least planting that seed a few
times, as you lead up to the wedding
day and getting final, you know, I always
tell couples send me your timeline before you
finalize it, you know, and just to work
with them and just the constant reminder of,
Hey, the best lights of this time, this
is when I might sneak you up for
15, 20 minutes, just because the last thing
you want is on the wedding day.
If you haven't told them that and they're
like drinking or, you know, he's gotten completely
plowed and you're like, Hey, let's go out.
And they're like, well, I can't even stand
straight or they're like, I don't even, this
isn't part of the plan.
They might be a little more standoffish whereas
if they'd been coached, there'll be much more
receptive to just, yeah, sure.
Let's go.
Let's, you know, let's, let's go do it.
So.
Cool.
Thanks.
Yeah.
You guys are so quiet.
I have a multi layered question.
Okay.
All right.
Let's do it.
All right.
So, uh, I guess it's based on like
lead generation for you, uh, between, so you
just redid your website like last year.
All right.
So how have you found the lead generations
based on your old website to your new
website?
And in comparison to say, Instagram, given you
have a pretty large following, uh, sub layered
into that, do you limit yourself on weddings
per year?
Do you say like, I'm going to do
35 weddings this year and that's it?
Like, you know, you have a cutoff point
so that you're able to kind of pick
and choose what you want.
Um, so yeah.
Um, so I'll answer the last question.
I do.
I limit the weddings.
I usually like to keep it around like
20 to 23 ish.
Like I did 20 2016, I did 28
weddings, but I taught, I think I did
nine workshops and like seven conferences.
Like it was, it was too much for
me.
Like it just, I was done.
Like I, that burnout or after 40 weddings
type thing that we were first started, like
I was so over the wedding world on
2016 and that it was too much.
So to me, that sweet spot is like
that 20, 22, 23.
So I do limit, um, my new site
to my old site.
I find my new site in terms of
like the type of clients I'm getting.
Is that what you're asking?
Or just how many inquiries I'm getting?
I guess, I guess I'm just curious more
on like, you know, did you notice an
upgrade or, um, you know, a higher influx
of inquiries when you upgraded your website?
I wouldn't say I noticed a higher influx
at all.
Like I don't think I went, you know,
I didn't like boom.
Like it was like, you know, getting inquiries
every four minutes.
Like it was, I found the quality of
inquiries was totally different.
Like the type of inquiry, um, I found,
I find now with my inquiries, they're very
much, much more personal.
I get a lot of like backstories as
to their relationship, how they started, what they're
looking for, that type of thing.
I think it's because my website now has
an about me page.
It's a little more personal about me as
opposed to before.
It was just, I don't even think I
had an about me page.
So really it was just Gabe McClintock and
they were just contacting me.
So I find the quality of inquiries is
better with my new website because it's more
personal.
I feel like there's more of a personal
part of me projected out and I'm getting
more personal information back, which has been great.
Um, Instagram.
Yeah.
Instagram is a weird, I get, I get
a lot of inquiries.
I get a lot of inquiries through Instagram.
They're not really, I find direct inquiries through
Instagram.
Don't usually pan out inquiries through my website
and where they, how they found me and
it says Instagram.
Those ones are usually good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I find any direct messages, Facebook messages, text
messages.
They're very like cold, impersonal.
They know what I mean?
Like there's not really any, they're just probably
sending on the same message to 40 people
and they're just, you know, fielding replies.
Whereas I find when I get the, it's
one of the reasons why my contact form,
if you guys have seen it is like
fill in the blanks.
Like it really makes you work for the
contact, right?
Like it's cause I wanted people instead of
just, Hey, what's your pricing?
Like, I'm sure we've got those.
Like, are you available?
And what's your pricing?
So I wanted more personal information, I guess
more, uh, I want them to invest into
talking to me as opposed to just sending
out a massive amount of emails.
Sure.
Yeah.
I have like this weird thing and maybe
it's just, I live in new England, so
it might just be a new England thing.
And it could be because, you know, in
the wedding game, I'm, you know, getting older,
given I'm 41 now.
43.
So really, I mean like, you know, you
can kind of, you know, so trying to
connect with the younger generation of people that
are coming and getting married now, and especially
in my area, there are so many photographers
who they're getting 90% to 100%
of their leads and inquiries straight through Instagram.
It's like the younger clientele that are coming
through married in the early twenties.
Uh, they don't even go to websites in
my area anymore.
I mean, they're just like, I'm just going
to Instagram.
If I like your stuff, I'm going to
follow you.
Uh, I'll contact you.
And then you just basically go from there.
So it's a weird dynamic of trying to,
you know, filter them out in a weird
way.
And then it's for me, it's like, all
right, how much effort do I actually put
into Instagram as opposed to like the website
dynamic, which I'm used to.
So it's just this weird dynamic that I'm
just trying to navigate at this point.
Yeah.
I think that's the world right now.
We're all just trying to navigate it.
Um, Instagram.
Yeah.
I, I've always said Instagram's probably been, you
know, one of my, I would say it
is my best way to get my work
in front of a lot of people.
Like I said, I would, most of my
inquiries come, were they on my website?
How'd you find me Instagram?
I would say that's majority of my stuff.
Um, the emails I do get are the
messages I do get an Instagram.
I will often say, email me at, or
go to my website and contact me that
way just to see how that plays out
for them, because it might just be, Oh,
that's too much work.
And I'm just going to move on to
the guy who got back to me right
away.
Or it might take the time to direct
them to the website, go through it, contact
me that way.
So yeah, it is.
I get it.
It's hard for sure.
And it's a lot of work, but no,
it is.
It is Instagram.
It is the, I think the number one
way to get your work in front of
a lot of people.
The website to me now has pretty much
been a secondary directing to.
Gotcha.
Right.
Uh, one more followup.
Do you find given like, you know, you
have a, you're very well known in the
industry.
Do you find that a large majority of
your work and clientele comes from other wedding
photographers?
Um, like wedding photographers hiring me?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do.
I wouldn't say majority.
Um, uh, yeah, I would, I would say
probably it kind of goes like this.
Like I know for a year, a few
years back, I'd say 50% of my
clients were other wedding photographers.
Um, and then it's, I think this year
is a weird one.
Last year is probably like I'd say 25
% a quarter of them.
So it's really, it's this, I wouldn't say
it's all, but I definitely get some, I
get a lot of, I get a lot
of people in the like ad world, ad
agencies, that type of thing.
So yeah.
Creatives, I guess.
But then on the flip side, some of
my big weddings are like, you know, lawyers,
financial guys, you know, people in the finance
industry.
It's, I get, you know, it's the one
thing I can say, I get probably the
biggest mix of clients out of anyone, like
a lot of my friends who are in
this world.
So.
So with those bigger weddings that you get,
do you still find that you're able to,
um, pull like your emotional connection that you
have in your photographs?
Are you still able to pull out that
emotion from, you know, say, and I'm going
to generalize here and say from the men
on that side where, you know, you want
them to be more in touch and more
sensitive and more, you know, showing their emotion
in the, in the moment, um, where I
found, you know, in my area, a lot
of the higher end clients, you know, they're
very stoic.
They, they don't show emotion.
They don't like, how do you, you know,
do you feel like you have to get
that out of them or do they just
sort of like naturally fall into it given
that's what they see in your work?
I would say both like yes to both
of those.
So yeah, I got to work on like,
I definitely got to get it out of
them.
I got to do a little more coaching,
I guess, and direction.
Um, but because my entire feed is that,
or my entire website is that they already
know what I'm looking for.
Like that's never, and it's one of the
things I talk about, like curation and that
like, it's, you never get a hire me.
And I'm going to ask you to like,
you know, take a deep breath, you know,
and just touch each other, tell her how
much you love her by simply touch.
That's never going to come as a shock
to any of my couples.
They're never going to be like, Oh, what
are you talking about?
Like I thought we were just going to
like get drunk and party like it's not.
So I feel like showing and showcasing that
work over and over and over again, definitely
mitigates a bit of that standoffishness or that
stoicness, but it's still there for sure.
Like guys in general, I find are more
so that than the females or the brides.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Yeah, of course.
Just a quick one on, on the Instagram.
Yeah.
Um, so you said that you get a
lot of you're in the dark.
I was like, I don't know.
Sorry.
She been kidnapped or what?
I don't know.
I just did my dark live.
Um, so with the Instagram thing, obviously, um,
you said you get quite a lot of
inquiries come through that.
Um, how, how would you say they're finding
you on Instagram?
Is that through hashtags or other suppliers or
venues or?
Honestly, I'm not, I don't think hashtags, hashtags
are a weird thing right now.
Like I, Instagram's for me is kind of
just been this way to get my work
out there.
I don't really, I feel like as soon
as I think I know Instagram, I'm like
getting it.
It's like, no, you know nothing.
Yeah.
And I'm like, well, I don't even know.
So to me, I would say it's followers
of followers.
I see a lot of my posts get
people who follow me commenting to other people,
like just tagging people in the comments of
my work.
Um, and I'll notice like maybe within like
right away though, I'll see a new follower
from that person.
Um, but I would say that like people
sharing it or just followers tagging other people.
Like I would say that is probably the
way hashtags.
I honestly, I, I don't know.
I'm going to say no, but I honestly
don't, I couldn't give you that answer.
I've never got anyone said, I found you
by clicking the dirty boots and messy air
hashtag.
Never.
Does that answer that?
Yeah, that's cool.
Hey Gabe, um, do you do any other
type of, uh, maybe commercial, uh, photography or
advertising photography or?
Yeah.
So I had a client of mine a
few years ago, they own an ad agency
here.
They're great.
Great, amazing ad agency locally.
And I've done quite a bit of work
for them just, you know, randomly when they
call me for stuff.
Um, I don't, I've never really pursued it
and pushed it.
And I know for years, I, before I
started shooting destination work, I actually started working
on a commercial website because I was like,
I can't shoot local weddings anymore.
I've been doing this well, 17 years.
And for like 11 of those years I
was shooting in the same venue locally every
weekend.
Like, and I was so done with it.
Yeah.
I was like, I can't do this.
So I was like, I need to do
something else.
So I started the push commercial and then
I pushed that for a bit.
And then my destination world took off.
And then I really just now, whenever the
ad agency calls me for random things, maybe
once or twice a year, I'll shoot it.
But that's it.
Have you ever had a couple that hires
you just for taking the pictures and they
maybe don't, don't really care about your approach
and your connection and they just hire you
just as a, as someone else.
Have you ever had that, that issue?
Like for a wedding?
Yeah.
I, yeah, I've had, I've had a few
couples hire me over the last while.
I don't know.
I'm not a big talk about myself type
person.
Jenna thinks it's because of my name just
to say they had me there and there
was really, it was really soulless.
Like it was, I don't know.
It was just like, I just took pictures.
It was a huge wedding.
I did.
I think I've talked about it at workshops
in the past.
It was like three years ago.
I think the budget was, I think it
was just under a million dollar budget for
it.
And me and the bride did not get
along.
Like we, we butted heads for sure.
But yeah, just, yeah, I've had it.
I don't get it a lot.
You know, again, that was I call it
a bank wedding.
Like it was a big financial wedding, but
it happens.
Did you get good photos?
Well, yeah, you have a million dollar budget.
Yeah.
I'm telling you, it's a lot of like,
there was a lot of stuff there that
was like, holy shit, this is like, and
it was in Malibu.
So it was at like this winery up
on the mountains at the top of Malibu
and like a 14,000 square foot home.
Like I could have given my camera to
my daughters and they would have probably nailed
it.
Like it was, it was, yeah, it was
over the top, but everything about it was
over the top.
Like they, I always, you know, I've told
this story so much, but the bride actually
wanted, does everyone know who the chain smokers
are?
Okay.
So the bride wanted to hire the chain
smokers to play live on her recessional as
she walked out and they quoted her a
million dollars for like the three and a
half minute song to play.
And she said, yeah, let's do it.
And the wedding planner actually talked her out
of and said, I don't think that is
a good way to spend a million dollars.
So they instead built a custom like 50
foot pergola with like flowing silk and brought
in a 35 piece orchestra to play during
her recessional and her processional.
And that was just half a mil?
Pardon?
I said what?
That was just half a mil as opposed
to paying a mil?
It was like, they brought in live animals
for everyone to pet during the reception, like
baby owls, a hawk.
There was like two little foxes, like it
was fresh fruit.
There's that wedding and I had cornflakes for
breakfast.
Again, it was one of those, it was
like, this was a really cool experience to
see it and to do it, but it
really, I don't know.
It was nothing.
Can you hear me?
Cause I just had to change.
Set up.
Yeah.
Heating doesn't work upstairs.
So it was getting a bit cold.
I can relate to that.
I had a very high end wedding last
year.
I think the budget was about 800 grand
and it was, it was like, Oh, it's
horrible.
It was the worst wedding ever.
I mean, it was beautiful, but it was
as, it was as fake as Botox.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
I feel like I think everyone's been there
or if you haven't, you will do a
wedding like that where it is purely for
show.
It is a hundred percent for show.
Like it's, yeah, I think we all have
those stories where it's like, no, this wasn't,
this wasn't fun.
I was just wondering in that sense, I've
pretty much, I've done quite a few weddings.
I know what my ideal clients are.
I kind of know what they like.
There's two parts of the question.
One side I'm stuck between, it has to
look good and it has to feel good.
The pictures that I mean, I mean, I'm
mainly documentary based, but the connection that you
show in your work is something that really
resonates with me.
So that's what I, that's what I love
about your work.
So that's one side of it.
And of course you can always say, show
what you want to shoot.
Of course, that's what I try to do.
But on the other side, are there other
techniques or other methods that you've used to
identify what your client is and your ideal
client is and how to reach them more
and how to implement that in your website,
your marketing and all of that.
Sorry.
It's a, it's a long question.
No, no.
So one of the things that I, you
know, the other show, you show you want
to shoot and all that jazz, I think
we've all done it or heard it or
if we're not doing it, we should be
doing it.
But one of the things that I put
on my new website in the contact form
was your favorite place and why.
So I wanted to know if someone put,
my favorite place was the Ritz Carlton.
Why?
Because I like glamor or I like opulence
or whatever it was.
I knew that probably wouldn't, that doesn't really
resonate with me.
Right.
I want people to say my favorite place
was, you know, hiking in Patagonia.
Right.
Or my favorite place was a ski trip
to wherever, heli skiing in Alaska.
Like I want, so it was one of
the ways little things that I put in
just to see what people's likes were that
weren't.
So do you like outdoors or do you
like a lot of money or do you
like fancy things?
Right.
Another way, another thing I thought of and
I didn't implement it cause I wasn't sure
how was describe your wedding dress because I
think we can all agree a certain type
of wedding dress.
Definitely 80 20 rule again, fits with a
certain type of wedding.
Right.
So I wanted to know is your wedding
dress super simple while they're probably super simple
in terms of like laid back people.
If her wedding dress was super simple, if
she says my wedding dress has like a
48 foot train, it's like 16 feet wide
and I'm wearing a 64 inch or 64
foot length veil.
Then I'm like, Holy shit.
I don't know if I want to do
this.
Right.
So I feel like those little things in
there without coming out directly and just saying
it's like, who are you?
Like, are we going to get along?
Um, we're ways that I kind of implemented
into my website.
But I think showing, obviously the showing the
work, and I know it, like I said
at the beginning, it is something that we
all say, but I really strongly feel that
it can change everything about what your client
will allow you to do and how much
trust they have in you.
Right.
If you're showing like some of the work
on my website, the couples are soaking wet
or they're under a waterfall and they're drenched.
anybody who doesn't resonate with that would skip
past that instantly which is great right so
yeah.
I'm glad that you didn't see my wedding
dress before you shot my wedding.
Okay 80-20 rule Brittany like it was
you know again like the dress is so
it's a good indicator but again I think
you're the 20%.
I shot Brittany's wedding if that's what you
guys are her dress was big cute did
you have a massive train no?
Oh my gosh Cathedral Link but it was
very fitting for the location.
Yeah it was.
We shot a wedding last season and they
decided that they wanted to do a first
look and they were spending a lot of
money but you know and he had this
amazing like it was a beautiful suit he
had it tailor-made expensive expensive accessories like
he was just like super well dressed and
everything and she had this big princess dress
and literally when and like we have to
cure our couples now it's like when he
turned around to see her his face was
just like he hated the dress it was
just like and she literally she walked away
and she was like oh my god I
should have got the other dress it should
have got the other dress oh my god
it was like he hates it he hates
it it was just like oh my goodness
and so my husband's sick and shoots with
me now he always says to the guys
he's like whatever you think of the dress
just say she looks great just pull your
face and I feel like that's so obvious
I can't imagine I couldn't imagine like you
know your wife or your to be wife
on your wedding day you look at you
be like what is that like that seems
so rude like I don't know it was
it was it was really interesting yeah you
would have thought that she would have known
what he was wearing so therefore you could
fit it in and like it's one of
the sort of higher-end venues in our
area that but planned so much and yes
yeah she had that moment and I was
like how can you go so far wrong
yeah but I feel like there's more to
that relationship than just not liking the dress
are they still together apparently apparently ironically so
they live in Aussie and ironically it wasn't
until after I shot the wedding my brother
who lives in Sydney was like huh we
actually know them they're a weird couple yeah
so always cute there's your takeaway from today
always cue your groom to say he likes
her dress yeah I mean most most guys
are just like super happy to see them
and they think that you know their brides
look amazing anyway if they don't they don't
say anything yeah somebody ever had a wedding
that the couple doesn't love each other yeah
I have I had that that's horrible I
asked a couple to to to have a
kiss just for it was a Catholic wedding
and they received I don't know how to
say it in English but the little red
thing with the wine and yeah the communion
yeah and I asked them after the the
priest is behind them to give the communion
to the to the guests I asked them
to have a kiss and the the groom
was like no I don't want to kiss
you and I'm like holy shoots and she
was like baby it's just one kiss please
do it just for the picture no I
don't want you're not listening and I'm like
okay don't worry I'm just gonna move but
we went to the reception and and the
groom was they they had the first dance
and he went outside with his friends and
and the bride was all by herself the
whole evening so it was horrible yeah we
had one that come from the UK and
literally when they went for the first kiss
she pulled back so
we're running up on an hour does anyone
have any more I kind of a question
okay hello thank you for doing
this I really appreciate it of course and
so I have two questions okay one of
them is you know you take these very
moody beautiful dark photos and I love it
one of them that I can show you
right now it's a big example let's say
this one right that you have yeah so
did you only brighten on post-production her
or do you know because I follow your
your workflow and then you show us how
did you reduce the contrast and the brightness
of stuff like that right but in this
photo particularly she thought she looks bright but
she does not look exaggerated because I know
you tweak a little bit here and there
and I am following your steps of course
with my own touch but my question will
be like how do you manage to have
that darkness without looking too dark yeah so
I think Brittany at the beginning asked me
about how do you get light when there's
no sunlight okay and I said look for
the dark look look for the cave look
for something so that shot is exactly that
it is in the cave right so you
have all this light coming from behind me
on to black rocks she's wearing a bright
red dress that is you know that's just
going to reflect light right so any amount
of soft light coming in on her against
the black background is gonna pop like it's
just it's gonna it's just inherently that's what's
gonna happen okay and then just when I
edit using the contrast part of positive shadow
just a slight edit on her just to
make her pop it a little more but
not too much because then it becomes like
you said you don't have to look fake
exactly having that light behind me on to
a black okay thank you and then my
other question for you will be what about
wedding wire because I just described with them
and I do with them do you like
it how's that work for you I think
I am with them but I think it
was like they added me or something because
I do get emails from them you know
like a few inquiries I don't know if
I've ever actually booked something from them though
I find when you put your work okay
this is like personal opinion this isn't like
this works for everyone but I find when
you put your work clumped in a bunch
of people in a really condensed area it
really becomes about price shopping and mass email
inquiries I mean like cuz it's so simple
for a bride to go in there and
be like are you available next are you
available to me good inquiries come from when
someone like Google's you looks at three or
four websites and it takes more work than
a simple click click click I actually think
they can send out a mass email a
bunch of photographers on those sites to me
work put in to inquiring I find the
inquiry is much more solid than the wedding
wires the not even June like I get
a few emails or buyers from June like
it right here I don't I think I'm
gonna be so okay yeah so if you're
just starting out say it's a great way
to get your work out to a bunch
of people like in a mass area but
I don't know the quality of inquiries that
are gonna come from absolutely yes I understand
actually the wedding wire just bought they're not
yeah so they're getting like huge yeah okay
I understand thank you yeah so I had
a question curious on if you have any
tips or you know faster advice for the
culling process because I feel like I just
completed my wedding season for the year and
you know I'm sitting on about you know
eight to ten weddings to edit right now
and I feel like I spend a lot
of unnecessary time on like culling I feel
like sometimes I spend more time culling than
I do editing which is obviously not a
good thing it's a huge waste of time
one of my biggest things is I feel
like I have to run through it and
comb through it like multiple runs like I'll
go through like a first run through the
cull of like just picking out my favorites
and then I usually do that like one
more time while I'm editing those photos if
that makes sense so I'm just curious if
you have any advice on how to you
know not be as dragging through that process
so when you go through okay I'm gonna
ask you a question when you go through
it a second or third time are you
getting a lot more photos that you may
have missed the first time or do you
find you're just repicking the same ones and
you're kind of I would say it's more
so like eliminating to like going to less
photos rather than like adding more I and
so I guess for more clarification I don't
necessarily have like you know a set limit
that I deliver for galleries I I believe
you do the same thing where I do
like 30 to 50 images per hour you
can expect that upon delivery so yeah so
one of the yeah okay so I so
I can call a wedding like a full
eight hour wedding so probably like 7,000
pictures I can usually call that down to
say 400 500 in an hour and a
half to be done an hour and a
half to two hours I definitely pick on
emotion like what something makes me feel as
I'm going through it okay I find when
I'm shooting say portraits I know during a
portrait session what I'm looking for afterwards okay
like I think you know we've all gone
to a portrait session or the portraits part
of the day and we're shooting we're shooting
we're shooting there's certain things happening that are
gonna make a good picture we know the
ones that don't so I usually skip by
the ones that I know already that aren't
gonna I was just shooting because I was
getting to something that I knew I was
going to select right so I can rifle
through you know 30 pictures really quick because
I knew I know there's about a minute
into that pose where it got good everything
else is just quick quick quick quick quick
reception ceremony I think practice obviously knowing what
to look for I think there's key things
that you need we need to get obviously
but I think it's gonna be practice for
sure I don't know how long I've been
doing this but I find when I first
started my calling and editing would take forever
like it was like I would second-guess
myself third guess myself yeah I'd I'd call
down a wedding and be like well I
must have missed something so I'm gonna go
again right now it's like I don't really
second-guess myself I guess I'm using photo
mechanics so it can rifle through really quick
but I think being aware while you're shooting
of what you're going to be selecting afterwards
I think a lot of us shoot in
the moment and we're just in the moment
all the time shooting shooting shooting and then
we get back to our computer whenever it
is we start calling for me it's like
I'm super procrastinate so it's like two months
later or a month and a half later
but I'm always as I'm shooting thinking this
is what I'm gonna use this is what
I'm gonna use this is what I'm gonna
use and just going thinking ahead while you're
shooting in the day will make it for
me makes it easier when I go to
call because I already know what I'm looking
for already know that all there was a
really cool shot of the flower girl looking
at the bride while she was getting ready
so it's like boom boom boom yeah that's
the one right so yeah I don't know
if that helps at all yeah that makes
sense okay and I mean it's gotten easier
and quicker definitely throughout the process I'm on
my second year now so okay yeah all
right so yeah yeah you're you're fresher yeah
you got you got this has been a
great year so yeah a fantastic second year
yeah it's but I think practice obviously but
again trying to trying to shoot with the
mentality of what you're going to select down
the road right right because then it will
make it very easy because you can basically
clump weddings into sections right getting ready well
there's like you know whatever say 600 photos
well when you go through that you know
how they're getting ready part what was good
you're already looking for it you already are
very aware and the ceremony you know what
you're looking for.
Ceremonies are really easy really you like walk
in a couple emotional stuff couple wide stuff
close-up of her close up of him
ring exchange hug kiss they walk out like
it's really methodical there's little things in between
that but I think if you break it
into sections and then each section be very
aware of what you're looking for afterwards while
you're shooting it'll make it super quick because
you already know oh I know there's like
eight photos in that pose that are gonna
be bangers you just go to them and
select them.
Okay perfect.
If I may because I used to have
the same problem with this as well and
I haven't been doing it for very long
either is for me getting doing it as
quick as possible after the wedding is crucial
because otherwise it's a procrastinating mess and what
helped for me is is I called backwards
I start at the end of my way
up because yeah the best the best pictures
are usually at the end of trying out
but I mean that's what works for me
but it's trial and error really.
I've answered everything you guys ever wanted to
know like I feel like that's super easy.
We can do it weekly.
You know what okay so let me okay
that's great so let me ask is this
I know I always put on post like
what do you guys want to see and
I get like random things but what is
okay so we did this week did you
guys find this beneficial?
Yeah yeah I learned the fingertip thing yeah
so I could look at doing this like
weekly I think I think it would be
cool to do it weekly like we could
you know open it up on like a
Thursday morning or something kind of the same
time and just whatever whenever people get in
they get in you know I think I
I love like I said I love the
Q&A I love the questions because I
find it really targets what people want to
know right specifically like it makes it very
this is for you because you asked this
question.
Now seeing that in the actual just posts
and videos and that what is it that
you guys want to see like what do
you want to see more of?
I really enjoyed your workflow when you record
yourself working with the couples that helped me
a lot that was amazing.
I have a video right now that I
that's with the editor that I'm working on
and it's not GoPro it's actually I brought
in a videographer so it's you know and
I'm mic'd and that so it's a little
more not here but like third-person here
so beautiful yeah so that's coming.
Anything else anything else that people want to
see?
No?
Post about?
Are gear reviews helpful?
I see people like I have friends who
do gear reviews and I'm like I don't
you guys want to see gear like I
I feel like we all know gear.
You don't care about gear though?
I don't really like I don't to me
gears it's a tool like I know some
people are like I've had some people friends
who are doing you know have online stuff
and like I'll just talk about your gear
and I'm like why?
I don't know like maybe but anyway.
I think gear reviews are like the editing
videos.
Editing videos, what did you say David?
I said I feel like gear reviews are
just filler for you know like patreon and
stuff like that it's just sort of like
all right I'm gonna do this video that's
been done 500 times.
Yeah I feel like everyone searched gear like
I don't know what I'm gonna say about
my 5d mark 4 that no one's heard
before like I don't have any like secret
menus that people are like holy shit what
I never knew that like so I just
yeah that's it.
Editing yeah so you said Tim?
I like the like the behind-the-scenes
editing and same thing like the kind of
like the behind the scenes for the shoots
as well.
I think the editing it's it's maybe the
most important thing too.
I've learned a lot watching the videos.
I think the most the most beneficial thing
sort of like you know any workshops like
when I took your workshop in Vancouver is
the hands-on like when we actually went
out and shot the couple like seeing you
work and seeing how you interact in person
so the behind-the-scenes stuff and then
the editing afterwards that's the most helpful stuff
just you know because your work is on
the complete opposite end of the spectrum from
what I do and that's why I wanted
to take your workshop that's why I follow
you now because it's it's it's completely different
from anything that I produce so it's kind
of like one of those you know all
right here's something that's completely different from what
I do so you know you can take
little bits and pieces from it try to
incorporate it.
But yeah I mean I find that stuff
to be the most helpful.
I think personally it would help me a
lot to the posing and directing couples as
I asked you before.
I think that's one of the things that
I struggle with sometimes and I think that
that should work.
I have a friend from Nicaragua too who
took a workshop with you I think for
the Mystic workshops on 2017 or something and
he mentioned some of the things that how
you manage the couple and how to get
the emotions out and everything.
I think personally and and I think that
most of the people here that might help
to how to how to manage and how
to talk to the couple how some maybe
tips on what to do for them to
take the emotions out and have the connection
that we're looking for.
I'm pretty sure that the videos that Gabe
has shown before not to be rude but
that he mentioned that before many times yeah
which is pretty cool.
Yeah yeah I think you know I think
it's one of those putting it out there
I think repetition again like I've been doing
this for a long time so to me
at times it's I know I've talked with
friends about this I've talked with Farrah Jonas
and I've actually talked my video editor Jenna
we talk about it's like I just want
to get everything that you guys need out
because at times for me it feels like
second nature I guess like I just go
in and I already know like it's just
I know what to do so I think
articulating it and getting a video yeah it's
something that for sure I'll do more of
you know I think that's you know that
was one of the things when I was
kind of starting in weddings and working on
connection was how do I get it how
do I get people to relax into each
other how do we get it to look
visually connected even if they're not connected in
the moment but visually look it right I
think that's a huge thing so yeah I'll
work I'll do more of those so I
just wanted to thank you I actually need
to go but it's been really super helpful
and yeah okay thanks Marta yeah
so we're good yeah so you saw your
face here nice of you to show your
face I like to listen that's good that's
good yeah so what I'll do is yeah
if it's something that we want to do
like we can look at doing every week
just to check in like I don't think
we need to like you know I could
post it and we can see you know
it could just be like a weekly thing
we can just come together and ask what
we need to ask or share something that
maybe you did on the weekend at a
wedding and you have questions about but yeah
we can make it happen all right well
thank you stay safe as they say this
year stay healthy yeah and like I said
anything just anything comes up just fire me
put it on patreon and ask me questions
Thank you, have a great week everyone.
Alright, see you guys.
Bye everyone.
Nice seeing you.
Thanks a lot Keith.
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