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When I
was a little boy growing up
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here in Mississippi, I
spent a lot of time outdoors.
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Part of it looking
up at the night sky.
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We had no electricity so
the moon was the only light
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that ever challenged
that of the stars.
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And they filled me
with such an inexpressible
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sense of wonder.
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My paternal grandmother
told me that that was where
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heaven was, where god lives,
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the place where good
people go when they die.
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She also warned me
about the other place.
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Hell.
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The place you
go when you're bad.
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At age five or six these
ideas are a bit overwhelming.
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Frightening.
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Inspiring I guess.
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And I think most people,
no matter what their faith,
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have faced similar thoughts
and fears, what is heaven?
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What is hell?
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How have these unseen
places changed the way we
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live our lives on earth?
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To find out...
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Oh, look what I see.
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I'll descend into
the underworld of ancient
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native Americans.
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I think
there's something in here
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that they don't want found.
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See people
who are tormented by hell.
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And touched by paradise.
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It's that
sneak preview of what heaven's
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gonna be like.
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I'll discover heaven in
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the Cambodian jungle.
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We really
are at heaven on earth.
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And in one
woman's remarkable story.
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As far as I can tell
you just described heaven.
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It was my heaven.
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Do heaven and
hell await us in the afterlife?
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Or are they here and now?
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For how long have we been
contemplating heaven and hell?
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We know that more than
4,000 years ago the ancient
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Egyptians dreamed of their
souls traveling through a
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fiery underworld.
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And up to the stars.
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And the people of stone
henge fixed their gaze on the
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heavens even earlier,
some 5,000 years ago.
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But archaeologists have
recently found evidence of a
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culture that believed in
a version of heaven and hell
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even before those
monuments were built.
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It's not where you'd expect.
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Archaeologist Jan Simeck is
taking me to a site on the
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hills of Tennessee, one that
the ancient native American
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ancestors of the Cherokee used
for hundreds of generations.
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So, then where are we going now?
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So, we're going
to a cave called Dunbar cave.
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It's a cave that was used
for as much as 10,000 years
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by prehistoric people,
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much of that time they were
using it as a religious site,
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you know, kind of the
entryway to hell in our terms.
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These formations,
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they just scream ancient.
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Yeah, they are,
the cave itself is a very
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ancient place.
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Wow.
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It's beautiful isn't it.
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Over the centuries people
have left their mark on
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these walls, most have
little historical significance,
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but, in a chamber 200 yards
from the mouth of the cave,
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Jan�s archaeological team has
made a stunning discovery,
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artwork that could represent
humanities oldest imaginings
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of heaven and hell.
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So,
Morgan, this is Beau Carroll,
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a graduate student of
anthropology and a member of
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the eastern band of
Cherokee Indians.
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Look at this.
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So, what
we're looking at here is
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these two symbols,
one looks like a star,
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one could resemble a comet.
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So, the
original peoples came down and
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they make these symbols
representative of what?
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Some people have
actually interpreted this
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cross and circle image as a
sign that represents the upper
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world above, the middle
world and the world below.
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Cherokee people
believe that they came from
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the stars, and they were
put here in the underworld,
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in earth, and we were
born from the earth.
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I think that this could
be a depiction of that.
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The Cherokee
believe the universe is
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encased in a stone sphere.
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Inside are three
levels of existence.
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Cherokee souls are created amid
the stars of the upper world,
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then they sink deep underground
into the lower world where they
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await their birth
into the middle world,
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the land of the living.
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At death their soul returns
underground and then travels
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back up to the stars.
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Closing an endless cycle
of life, death and rebirth.
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For the ancient Cherokee,
to enter this cave was to set
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foot into the lower world,
a place where the living
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did not belong.
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Oh, look what I see.
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What do I see?
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So, we're
looking here at a reclining
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human figure,
about 6 and a half feet long.
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His head is pointed down
into the depths of the cave,
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so this is a warrior
floating into the death realm
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of the underworld.
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Do you get a
special feeling coming into
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these caves and knowing the
ancestry of that part of your?
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I get nervous.
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But you're an archaeologist.
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Yeah.
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I think that they put this
guy here because he's guarding
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something, I think there's
something in here that they
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don't want found.
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I think that I get that
feeling from this drawing
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because we're really
not supposed to be here.
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Jan and Beau
have brought me to the edge of
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the Cherokee underworld,
but I wanna know if these
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ancient people also tried
to make contact with their
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upper world, their heaven.
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What about the upper world?
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Would you like to go see?
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Absolutely.
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Let's go.
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Come on.
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So, we're in a
place called mount bottom,
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it was a large village,
centered around a mound that
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provided access to the
upper world, the temple,
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and that's what
we're looking at here.
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This native American village,
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situated about 50 miles
south of the Dunbar cave,
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was a center of religious
life for the Cherokee ancestors.
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The top of the central earthen
mound was as close to heaven
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as the living could get.
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Okay, so what happens up here?
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Just like with the,
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with the cave and the
underworld you go from...
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Inside the cave you go
from middle to under,
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here it's the same thing
except we're going from
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middle to upper.
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We're right on the cusp
of a cosmic doorway.
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Can you
be a little bit more specific
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about what that is?
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When we say you're on the cusp
of a cosmic doorway, who is?
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The living?
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So, all these
people that have passed on
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before us they're
essentially in another world,
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they can hear us if we talk
to them in the right way,
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if we dance the right way,
if we sing the right song,
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then those people can hear us,
and those people know that we
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haven't forgotten who they were,
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we haven't forgotten
who we were.
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Everything wants to go up,
and if you build this up here
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and have the same dances it
would be heard better than
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doing it down on the ground.
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So the higher
you go the more you're likely
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to be in touch with the
elders or the gods...
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Whoever wants to listen.
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Right.
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Going into the Dunbar cave
I felt like Orpheus must have
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when he descended into hell.
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And it made me realize how
ancient and universal our
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connection with
heaven and hell is.
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I felt a vague sense
of fear as I moved deeper
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into the darkness of the cave.
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Likewise I felt a sense
of hope and release when
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I climbed to the
top of the temple.
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We all share these
hopes and fears.
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We always have, we
probably always will.
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For thousands of years heaven
and hell have driven us to
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create enduring monuments,
they've inspired iconic works
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of art, around the world
the faithful hope for an
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afterlife in paradise,
or, fear eternal damnation.
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But sometimes hell
visits people on earth.
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In Ethiopia, many people
believe evil spirits can take
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over the bodies of the living.
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One way to chase them out
is to undergo an exorcism.
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Historian, Nancy Caciola,
and religions scholar,
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Solomon Getina have
come to Debre Libanos,
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a seventh century monastery of
the Ethiopian orthodox church.
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It's a site with a long
history of exorcism.
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I can't
wait to see what it's like.
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Yeah.
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I will take you inside
and you will see how
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people get healed.
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Ethiopian
Christians believe demonic
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possession manifests
itself in many ways.
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From the mild pain of
a headache to extreme
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hallucinations and
emotional disturbances.
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People travel here from
all over Ethiopia to
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rid themselves of
the hellish demons they
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believe possess them.
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Zelalam Gedachim is one of
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those people.
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Why were
you feeling ill and why did
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you decide that you
needed to come here?
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You see, he
said he heard unusual voices.
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Ah, so these
voices feel sinister and
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evil to you?
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Exactly, exactly, exactly.
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Zelalam, like
the hundreds of other people
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with more severe symptoms,
has come here to be healed by
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St. Tekle's cross, a holy object
so revered it's always kept
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wrapped in cloth.
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St. Tekle was an Ethiopian
orthodox monk who took charge
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of this monastery
in the 13th century.
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So this cross
has a very special power of
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expelling demons then?
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So it makes the demons
upset and that's why they
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react in this way?
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Exactly, exactly.
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Because
the demons can't tolerate
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to be close to something holy?
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Exactly, exactly.
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Yeah.
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He's saying
"I'm burned" demon in her
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is saying, you know, you know,
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I'm burned,
I'm burned, I'm burned.
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As the
cross nears the possessed they
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believe the demons will be
expelled from their bodies.
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Now it is Zelalam's turn.
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Despite his outward calm
he firmly believes the voice
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in his head is a demon.
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And only the cross can expel it.
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So he's going to beat the demon?
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Exactly,
the ordered to kneel down so...
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So the cross
is for the blessing and then
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if it's stubborn he'll
beat them with the strap?
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Exactly.
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So, do you
feel that the evil spirits
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have left you now?
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Permanently?
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So, after
he kissed the cross he didn't
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feel the previous feeling.
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He said that he is
sure that he's healed.
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You can see
that there's this struggle going
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on between good and evil,
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heaven and hell,
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humanity and forces
of evil and demons.
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Exactly.
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You can see
that in the responses of people,
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the noises they make,
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the way that they
twist their bodies,
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you can see the struggle
that is this cosmic
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part of the world of good
and evil that we live in.
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Exactly, this is a.
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But it's right in the body
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of this individual.
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Ethiopian Christians see their
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suffering, be it illness,
conflict or any calamity that
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befalls them, as the shadow of
hell falling on their lives.
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Bowing down to the cross can
purge them of that shadow and
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bring them peace in this world.
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But where there is
darkness there is also light.
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Some people feel they
are touched by heaven in a
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physical way, every Sunday.
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I've come to
Albuquerque, new Mexico,
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to meet Annie Naz.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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I'm Annie.
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I'm Morgan.
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Pleased to meet you.
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It's my pleasure Annie.
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Annie's family recently
immigrated from Pakistan
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to the U.S.
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You're from Pakistan?
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Right.
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The name Annie,
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isn't that a Christian name?
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It is, I was born in
a pentecostal, Christian family.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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But you were
not pentecostal Christian.
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In the beginning I
didn't like going to church,
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I thought it was boring,
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but then I had a great
spiritual experience.
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One day we were
worshiping and all of a sudden
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I just started
feeling like crying,
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and I started praising god,
I started saying those words,
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when I started speaking
I was speaking in tongues.
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Okay, alright.
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You know, it just
changed my life in a huge,
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huge, huge way.
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Any chance I get to see you
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speaking in tongues?
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When you feel
the presence of god,
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even if I try to speak to you...
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Yeah.
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I just can't, my
tongue starts twisting and I
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start speaking in tongues,
so you might.
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Annie is taking me to the
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new life united
pentecostal church,
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where they worship
by speaking in tongues.
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This practice comes
from the Christian Bible.
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According to the book of acts,
50 days after Jesus's death,
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on the day of the Pentecost,
the holy spirit filled
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Christ's disciples
causing them to speak in
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an unknown language.
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Pentecostal services
recreate this moment of heaven
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coming down to earth.
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Yeah, I gotta praise,
I gotta praise now, now, now, �
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� now, I gotta praise. �
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� can't stop,
praising his name, �
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� I just can't stop
praising his name, �
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� I just can't stop praising
his name, Jesus, Jesus. �
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In the name of Jesus,
in the name of Jesus.
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When I began to
open myself up and surrender
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to god and allow his
spirit to move within me,
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it's a sneak preview of
what heaven's gonna be like.
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I want you to close your eyes,
I want you to begin to pray.
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In your heart, right now,
I want you to open your soul
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and say god, here I am.
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I surrender to you.
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I don't care what
you're facing in life,
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what situations
you're struggling with,
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I'm here to tell you today
that god has the ability and
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the power through his
spirit to bring you out
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of that circumstance,
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to give you that heaven
can be a real place.
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Hallelujah, we thank you
Jesus, thank you Jesus.
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Thank you Jesus.
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In the name of Jesus right now,
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let your holy spirit
begin to move!
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All around
me people have been swept up
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by an invisible force.
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And now they speak
what they believe is the
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language of heaven.
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I can see on their
faces that they are
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genuinely somewhere else.
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You were there for a long time.
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You don't have any idea
what you were saying?
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No, but when you
let the holy spirit flow
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through you, then, I mean,
then you don't have any control
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over yourself and it's
just the holy spirit,
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the holy spirit speaking to you,
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and I can't wait
till I go to heaven,
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because that's how
I will be at all times.
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Well, you know,
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I've been going to the
cultural experiences of
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different religions
and belief systems,
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and the thing that I have
learned is that everybody's
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truth is the truth.
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That was quite a
powerful experience.
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I could...
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Feel the energy in that space.
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Normal people suddenly
transformed by some power.
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And then just as suddenly
return to normal.
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Pentecostals believe that
they are bringing heaven down to
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earth, now, whatever it is,
once they felt that power
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they're not the same.
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Experience changes them.
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How they see themselves,
how they relate to others...
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How they live their lives.
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The Pentecostals feel the
presence of heaven through
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their unique ritual.
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But one Hindu king physically
built heaven on earth.
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To entice the gods
to reside in there.
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Mississippi is my home.
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Being here just feels...
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Right.
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To me it's like heaven on earth.
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And we all yearn for that
place where you're at ease,
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the place where you
feel you belong.
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The ancient Jews sought
the heaven of their homeland
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when they left Babylon.
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The Mormons found theirs
by the great salt lake.
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It's a universal human
urge to find your heaven
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here, and now.
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In the jungles of Cambodia,
over 900 years ago,
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one king built his
own heaven on earth.
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This is Angkor Wat.
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It's the largest religious
monument in the world.
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Today it's a Buddhist temple,
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but that wasn't always the case.
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It was originally
constructed by the king of
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the Khmer empire,
Suryavarman ii,
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as a model of Hindu heaven.
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Hey David, how are you?
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It's been a while.
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Right.
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Welcome, welcome.
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Thank you, thank you, very much.
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Archaeologist, David Brotherson,
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as enlisted the aid of
Cambodian historian,
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Syan Superovi to
understand why this incredible
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site was built.
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It's mind boggling how much work
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was put into building this
immaculate building.
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Tremendously.
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And the
amount of manpower that was
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deployed here, there must
have been a very important
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underlying reason for them
to go to all this effort?
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Definitely.
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This whole complex
itself is the symbolisms of
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the entire universe.
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Moat, in the Hindu mythology,
moat is symbolizing the oceans
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that is surrounding mount Meru.
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In Hindu mythology,
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the five peaks of
mount Meru are the center
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of the universe.
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The heavenly abode of the gods.
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So, the
moats which surround these
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temples are huge, and they
symbolize the ocean that
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surrounds where the gods live.
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The entire
complex itself symbolizing the
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universe, right?
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But, this temple,
it's not only that,
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it is the heaven on earth,
it is the place called the
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highest world of Vishnu,
in Sanskrit it's called...
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I believe
I read the translation,
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it's a sacred paradise
of Vishnu as well.
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The Hindu god, Vishnu,
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is the protector of
creation and Angkor watt was
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built for him.
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Inside the temple are
over 12,000 square feet of
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intricately carved reliefs.
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One relief was created
to link king Suryavarman ii
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to Vishnu himself.
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Look,
you can see that by relief,
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the king who build this temple,
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and if you look
closely over there,
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there is an
inscription saying...
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Meaning that he is the king
who went through the highest
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world of Vishnu.
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Archaeologists
aren't sure whether
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the king is buried here,
but local people believe that
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his spirit resides here
in Vishnu's paradise.
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That paradise, that heaven,
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lies at the top
of the central tower.
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So they
believe that Suryavarman II's
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spirit would inhabit these
towers in the afterlife?
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Exactly, exactly, exactly.
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If you look at the steps, you
know, like the wider the step,
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why it's too narrow, you know,
like it can be implied the
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ideas of that you are
approaching the worlds of god
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is not that easy.
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Alright, well,
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let's not wait a moment
longer, let's go up.
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Please come.
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� �
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The peak of
the temple was believed by the
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Khmer to be the highest
reaches of heaven and the
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realm of Vishnu himself.
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David, what do you think?
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I think
that everyone is impressed
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by your ancestors.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is phenomenal.
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Perhaps they were
building such immaculate,
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beautiful structures
to entice the gods to inhabit
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these structures so that
the priests, the king,
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would have had this
opportunity to have a direct
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connection with
the supernatural.
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That's true.
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Even if
you're not a spiritual person
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you can feel the aura of
this kind of place, you know,
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we really are
at heaven on earth.
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Angkor watt
is an impressive example of
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one man's attempt to
build a heaven on earth, but,
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I wonder does it have
to be so monumental?
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So elaborate?
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2,000 years ago,
in Galilee and Jerusalem,
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a man called Jesus
began his ministry.
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He told his followers
that they would inherit the
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kingdom of heaven.
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I've always struggled to
understand what he meant
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by that, whether the
heaven he spoke of was
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up in the sky or down
here on earth.
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� �
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there's one group of
Christians that might know the
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answer to that question.
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The Assyrian Christian church
dates its foundation to just a
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few years after Jesus's death.
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It claims its theology is
what Jesus himself believed.
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For them, heaven means
being close to god,
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hell is being far from god.
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The Assyrian community's
home is now called Iraq.
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So, I wanted to understand
how you can find a piece of
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heaven when you are living
in what became hell on earth?
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� �
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I've been invited
to break bread with two
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Assyrians from Baghdad.
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Hi, how are you sir?
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Just fine, how are you?
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Mervat Schlyaman...
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Nice to see you.
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And her son, Mattius Aneuam.
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Hi, my name's Mattius.
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Mattius.
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Nice to meet you, have a seat.
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Would you like some tea?
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Thank you, that would be nice.
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Ah.
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You're from Iraq?
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Uh huh, yes.
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But you're not Iraqi?
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You are?
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We're Assyrian Christians,
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we lived in Iraq
for over 2,000 years.
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How old are you?
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I'm just kidding.
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But the Assyrian Christians
have been there since
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the time of Jesus?
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Uh huh.
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You were in Iraq and then the
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civil war broke out?
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Yes.
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That's the insurgence against
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the government?
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Uh-huh.
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And you were still there?
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Yes.
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During the war?
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Must have been awful.
518
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:34,480
She's saying,
before the war started the
519
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,580
Muslim and the Christian
community they were all
520
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:39,350
peaceful, everyone was
treated equally, but,
521
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:41,750
when the war started everything
522
00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:43,790
started going downhill.
523
00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:54,130
Is that problematical?
524
00:30:54,170 --> 00:30:56,200
That you were
Assyrian Christians in a
525
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,110
largely Muslim country?
526
00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:07,180
There
was no law and order between
527
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:11,720
the communities, and
the militants thought that
528
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:15,590
the Christians were working
with the American soldiers,
529
00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:19,530
so, started creating problems.
530
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,740
The insurgents,
531
00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:31,040
they put bombs in cars and
they used to really to put 'em
532
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:33,770
like in front of churches
and other religious areas and
533
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:36,780
they'd blow 'em up.
534
00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:44,080
Didn't that frighten you?
535
00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:53,190
She said,
yeah, it frightened us.
536
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:55,800
We hear like that
church got blown up,
537
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:59,070
it struck fear in our hearts.
538
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:00,630
We started getting threats.
539
00:32:00,670 --> 00:32:02,140
Threats?
540
00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:03,270
Yeah.
541
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:04,670
What kind of threats?
542
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:10,240
"We're gonna
kidnap your son and kill you."
543
00:32:10,510 --> 00:32:14,980
Wow, so then what?
544
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,880
You left Baghdad?
545
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,050
Yeah, we did leave.
546
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:20,720
Where'd you go?
547
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,260
We got
onto a bus with some of our
548
00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:27,730
clothes and we
just went to Syria.
549
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:31,460
Out of
the frying pan into the fire.
550
00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:35,740
Within a year of their
arrival in Syria,
551
00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:39,970
Marvat and Mattius faced
a new threat, Isis.
552
00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:47,010
We actually
filed applications with the
553
00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:50,380
united nations and they
actually accepted us to come
554
00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:54,850
to the United States.
555
00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:57,160
Welcome to the U.S.
556
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:58,890
Thank you.
557
00:32:58,930 --> 00:33:03,230
I want you to,
for me, to make a comparison.
558
00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:08,000
Your time in the hottest
part of Iraq and the hottest
559
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,240
part of Syria,
and you're life now?
560
00:33:14,180 --> 00:33:18,510
It's life here, freedom.
561
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:21,380
Freedom of religion,
562
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:24,050
it's really different to
come here, to America,
563
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:28,320
I do think between the
heaven and hell and I compare
564
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,620
it to my life.
565
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:34,960
Mervan and
Mattius have joined other
566
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,060
Assyrian refugees in
California's central valley,
567
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:42,600
where they can live
and pray in peace.
568
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:48,310
Mervat and Mattius have
lived through hell on earth,
569
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:50,710
they were chased out of two
countries because of their
570
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:55,080
faith, but, the promise of
heaven rooted in a tradition
571
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,390
that goes back to the time of
Christ gave them the strength
572
00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:02,520
to find a better life,
573
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,760
they made it to
their kingdom of heaven.
574
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,800
Finding heaven on earth
is a goal for many faiths
575
00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:14,500
around the world.
576
00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:19,510
But in the jungles of Mexico,
the faithful dared to step
577
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:22,180
into their own heaven.
578
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:25,010
In an underwater graveyard.
579
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,290
As a youngster
growing up in Mississippi,
580
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,460
Hollywood seemed
impossibly far away.
581
00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:43,530
A land I only dreamed
of ever seeing.
582
00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:46,000
Many faithful think of
heaven the same way,
583
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:49,100
an impossible realm that
you will never set foot in,
584
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:51,640
in this life.
585
00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:57,380
Or is heaven a place where
you can come back from and
586
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:59,880
tell the tale?
587
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:10,390
In Mexico's Yucatan peninsula
the ancient Maya believed they
588
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:12,990
had found entry ways to
heaven through water filled,
589
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:16,160
underground caverns.
590
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:21,100
Called sinotis.
591
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:24,400
Archaeologist and national
geographic explorer,
592
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,310
Giamo Dianda and his
colleague, Dante Garcia,
593
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:31,110
are here to dive
at two sinotas deep in
594
00:35:31,150 --> 00:35:34,680
the Yucatan jungle.
595
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,990
They are searching for
evidence that the Maya entered
596
00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:42,220
these sinotes to offer
human sacrifices to their
597
00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:45,490
god of rain, Chac.
598
00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:50,160
What's up?
599
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,600
Good to see you again, man.
600
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:53,130
Nice to see you again.
601
00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:55,270
Pedro Flores
is a descendant of the
602
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,500
ancient Maya people
who lived in this area.
603
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:03,440
This is the sinota that I talked
604
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,680
to you about.
605
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:07,580
Oh this is
great, it's a great entrance.
606
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:11,220
It's very
mystical for me, the sinotas,
607
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:16,890
with water, is the closest
doorway to underground heaven.
608
00:36:17,130 --> 00:36:19,860
This is the
threshold between our world,
609
00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:22,560
physical world, and
the spiritual world.
610
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,700
And the world of gods
like for instance Chac.
611
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,600
Maya legend says the rain god,
612
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,140
Chac, lived in the
clouds, the heavens.
613
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:36,340
But his heaven also extended
underground where chacs
614
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:39,550
avatars scoop up water
from the sinotes with
615
00:36:39,580 --> 00:36:43,150
earthenware jars to make rain.
616
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:46,850
Thunder is the sound of these
jars being broken open and
617
00:36:46,890 --> 00:36:50,860
releasing the downpour,
the was vital for the survival
618
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:55,330
of the corn crop, and,
in turn, the Maya people.
619
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:58,360
Archaeologists
believe ancient Maya
620
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,900
would come to the sinotes and
offer human sacrifices to
621
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:05,840
bring the rain.
622
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:15,110
Before Giamo and Dante
enter the sinorte Pedro
623
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:17,380
makes an offering to Chac.
624
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:27,090
I just
asked permission you, Chac,
625
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:30,900
the father of rain,
father of water, thunders,
626
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:35,070
he's the one who gonna
he help us to go in safe and
627
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,100
get back safe.
628
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:40,810
Thank you.
629
00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:44,480
Go.
630
00:37:53,990 --> 00:38:00,130
� �
631
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,610
� �
632
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,010
Giamo and Dante dive 100 feet
633
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,740
below the surface.
634
00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:21,950
They discover some carved
stones which Giamo believes
635
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:27,790
could be over 1000 years old,
but no sign of human remains.
636
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:37,660
Giamo hopes they will find
proof of human sacrifice at
637
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:42,540
another sinote that's two
and a half miles away away.
638
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,640
So we repel
down and suit up and make
639
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,880
a quick look, we will forage.
640
00:38:56,050 --> 00:38:58,620
Access to
the second sinote requires
641
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:03,890
the divers to be lowered down
to the water 30 feet below.
642
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:16,600
� �
643
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,010
Giamo and Dante discover
some pottery, and then...
644
00:39:24,110 --> 00:39:29,550
The evidence of sacrifice
they've been looking for.
645
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:32,420
This is the
ultimate offering you can
646
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:36,290
make to gods, human blood
or a human life.
647
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,260
So, in times of desperation,
big droughts, no rain,
648
00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:44,630
no agriculture, it's maybe
time to do a sacrifice and to
649
00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:48,000
appease the gods and to
ask for them, to beg them,
650
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,040
to make rain.
651
00:39:51,070 --> 00:39:54,470
The ritual importance of
these places, sinotas and caves,
652
00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:57,610
they are strong, they have huge,
653
00:39:57,650 --> 00:40:02,380
important energies that
the Maya knew about,
654
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:05,480
and these people
supposed to, sometimes,
655
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,890
carry a message for the
gods that live there.
656
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:14,390
The Maya believed sinotes were
657
00:40:14,430 --> 00:40:16,860
passageways to heaven,
658
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:20,470
some who ventured into
those waters returned,
659
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,870
I'm sure they
told incredible tales of
660
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:26,640
what they saw.
661
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:33,980
Across the world, in India,
Hindus also believe they have
662
00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:37,850
a passageway to an eternal
world, the Ganges river.
663
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:45,360
It leads to a state of
pure energy called moksha.
664
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,260
Hindus believe in reincarnation,
665
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:53,630
but when they reach moksha,
their version of heaven,
666
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:56,440
they don't return to earth.
667
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:59,970
We can't ask them any more
than we can ask the Maya what
668
00:41:00,010 --> 00:41:05,610
heaven is like, but, today,
thanks to modern medicine,
669
00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:10,080
people occasionally die
and come back to life.
670
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:15,320
Perhaps they have tales
of heaven to tell us?
671
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,030
To learn what heaven might
be like I'm going to speak
672
00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:31,370
to a woman who claims she
went there when she died.
673
00:41:31,610 --> 00:41:32,910
Would you like to come and sit?
674
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:34,310
Surely.
675
00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:37,610
A physician's assistant
named Krista Gorman.
676
00:41:37,650 --> 00:41:42,150
You had a near death experience,
677
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:44,680
I'm talking to a real,
678
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,390
live woman who had
a near death experience?
679
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:50,220
Uh huh, yes you are.
680
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:52,660
What led up to that?
681
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:56,060
Well, I was
pregnant with my daughter and
682
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,730
I went in a week before
she was due because she
683
00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:01,000
had a problem with her
kidney, not only that,
684
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,270
but her heart rate
was dropping very low.
685
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:12,880
So, they said, you know,
we need to do a c-section,
686
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:16,650
and it was too
dangerous to wait.
687
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,160
I started having trouble
breathing and I passed out.
688
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:41,310
They lost my pulse
for eight minutes.
689
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:43,810
Can we define that as death?
690
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,750
In the clinical sense, perhaps.
691
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:50,020
My heart stopped beating,
I wasn't getting any blood
692
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:51,580
flow to my brain.
693
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:55,150
Okay, so, you pass out.
694
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,860
Then the next
thing I remember was being
695
00:42:57,890 --> 00:43:02,660
very far above my body.
696
00:43:04,830 --> 00:43:07,900
I saw the body laying there
and there were people around it,
697
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:10,240
and I was still me,
I was still Krista,
698
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:12,910
but I had no relationship
with anything that I
699
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:15,240
was witnessing below.
700
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,780
It's happening but you're still
701
00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:18,110
not involved in it?
702
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:19,910
Correct.
703
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:22,050
I felt this tugging to my left,
704
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,520
something kind of
pulled at me a little bit,
705
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:27,020
as if to say, come on.
706
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:30,120
And I, yes, okay, I'll go.
707
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,360
I just started moving.
708
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:37,100
Through the wall and
into this bright white space
709
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:39,370
that was just a flash.
710
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,540
I came out into what
I called my Eden,
711
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:46,640
it was a space that
was incredibly beautiful,
712
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:50,780
green, rolling hills, beautiful,
blue sky, there was a deep,
713
00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:55,080
evergreen forest, and to my
left there was a moss covered,
714
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,720
rock waterfall, and
it was beyond beautiful.
715
00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:02,190
I felt
like I was at one with it and
716
00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:04,520
it was one with me.
717
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,360
I was flanked on both sides
by what I refer to as my
718
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,630
spiritual guides or what
we would call angels, here,
719
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:19,140
they were very tall and thin
and almost like they were
720
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:22,910
wearing drapes, and they
communicated to me that I
721
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:26,550
could either stay in
that place, that Eden,
722
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:30,480
I could move beyond
that to what came next,
723
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,690
or I could come back here.
724
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,460
And as soon as I
made that decision...
725
00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:41,690
I started to move backwards
very, very quickly,
726
00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:45,260
and they sort of turned to me
and communicated well if you
727
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:50,340
choose to go back you need
to share what you learned here,
728
00:44:50,570 --> 00:44:53,970
and I had this feeling
of tremendous love
729
00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:57,880
just permeated me.
730
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,810
Awesome.
731
00:45:01,850 --> 00:45:03,350
Yeah.
732
00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:04,950
As far as I can tell you
733
00:45:04,990 --> 00:45:06,690
just described heaven.
734
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,990
It was heaven, it was my heaven.
735
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:13,360
When do
you get back to the time that
736
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:16,460
you know, oh, wow, okay,
I'm right back here.
737
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:20,000
They were
able to get me back and awake
738
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:24,400
on some level roughly
24 hours after the event,
739
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,810
and I woke up that morning
just wanting to, you know,
740
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,280
shout from the hilltops
what I had learned,
741
00:45:31,310 --> 00:45:33,980
what had happened to me.
742
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:37,820
Religion, got one?
743
00:45:38,590 --> 00:45:41,520
My religion is love, you know...
744
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,430
God, to me, is love.
745
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:48,190
That's
what we were taught when we
746
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:49,530
were three years old.
747
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,960
Uh huh.
748
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,970
God is love.
749
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,770
And it's that simple.
750
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,200
We are love.
751
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:59,870
Now, hold on a second,
752
00:45:59,910 --> 00:46:05,480
you're gonna say to the entire
world it's as simple as that?
753
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:07,710
For me it is.
754
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:11,280
Well,
I have to believe that it's
755
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,090
as simple as that.
756
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,090
Yeah.
757
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,090
All of this we have discussed is
758
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:24,960
around the birth or
attempted birth of a baby.
759
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:29,740
Which is it?
760
00:46:29,770 --> 00:46:31,570
The birth of my daughter.
761
00:46:31,610 --> 00:46:33,310
So you have her?
762
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:35,240
She is a reality?
763
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,710
Would you like to meet her?
764
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:38,010
Of course.
765
00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:40,780
Let's go.
766
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:42,150
Hey Maggie.
767
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:43,950
Hi.
768
00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:45,480
There's
somebody I want you to meet.
769
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,790
What are you doing?
770
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:48,120
Nice to meet you.
771
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,490
What?
772
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,790
Don't I get a hug?
773
00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:52,090
Oh hi!
774
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:54,930
Oh my goodness.
775
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:59,230
Okay, alright, you know
we're here to talk to your mom
776
00:46:59,270 --> 00:47:01,400
about you'alls experience?
777
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,840
Yeah.
778
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:04,270
How do you feel?
779
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:06,770
I was ten, 11,
when she first sat me down and
780
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:09,070
talked to me about it,
and when I first heard about
781
00:47:09,110 --> 00:47:12,480
it I didn't really
understand it all that much.
782
00:47:12,510 --> 00:47:14,050
It went over my head.
783
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,380
After that I was around 14
when I finally realized why
784
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:21,290
she thinks so highly
of this experience,
785
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,460
and I can finally
understand how to apply it
786
00:47:24,490 --> 00:47:25,920
to my own life.
787
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,990
It makes sense
to me that at ten your mum
788
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:32,500
explaining to you your birth,
that's about as far as you
789
00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:33,770
can go with it.
790
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,330
Uh huh, yeah.
791
00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:37,140
Until things start to percolate
792
00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:38,300
over the years.
793
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:39,570
Yeah.
794
00:47:39,610 --> 00:47:44,810
Well
Maggie, darling, I am so happy
795
00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:45,980
to see you.
796
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:47,550
It's such an honor.
797
00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:50,850
I mean,
particularly knowing mom and
798
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:55,720
you and your trip together,
I am happy to see you here.
799
00:47:56,490 --> 00:48:00,030
Thank you so much.
800
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,930
So many
faiths have so many beliefs
801
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:07,970
about heaven and hell.
802
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,870
But Krista,
803
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:14,310
like so many other survivors
of near death experiences,
804
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:19,580
came back from her trip
with an overwhelming
805
00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:24,550
feeling of love, that's heaven.
806
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,390
Heaven is simply love.
807
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:34,630
And that's the power of
heaven and hell, I think.
808
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:40,070
How they affect us emotionally
and fill us with love of our
809
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:44,270
brothers and sisters and
fear that drives us away
810
00:48:44,310 --> 00:48:48,940
from evil and hope
for a brighter future.
811
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:56,420
It drives us to make
a positive change,
812
00:48:57,550 --> 00:49:03,490
not in some other world
but right here on earth.
813
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,170
My journey to understand
heaven and hell has taken me
814
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,940
from the bowels of the
earth to the gates of Eden.
815
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:22,210
From people who live in
the shadow of the inferno to
816
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,080
those who bathe in the
light of paradise.
817
00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:37,660
Heaven and hell
are not just ideas.
818
00:49:37,690 --> 00:49:40,390
They're a part of us.
819
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:43,960
A part of what we
yearn to escape.
820
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:48,130
What we hope to become.
821
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:52,730
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