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We have a match.
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Your DNA is on the sweatshirt.
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Was it you that attacked Mr Cooper
that night? No comment.
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You want me to lie for you.
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Just say you don't remember anything
that happened that night.
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We're done.
No.
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After I passed them, I heard splash.
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Anything else?
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How about if I check my diary?
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Can we get the luminol
in here, please?
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The blood on Melinda Ricci's jacket,
it belonged to Gerard Cooper.
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You're under arrest
on suspicion of murder.
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I didn't do it.
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LOCK RATTLES
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MUSIC: 'All We Do'
by Oh Wonder
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# All we do is hide away
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# All we do is
All we do is hide away
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# All we do is lie and wait
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# All we do is
All we do is lie and wait
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# I've been upside down
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# I don't wanna be
The right way round
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# Can't find paradise
On the ground. #
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What are you doing, Marty?
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Whoops-a-daisy.
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So can you stop harassing me
and my daughter now?
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No-one's been harassing you, Juliet.
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You went behind my back
to my daughter's school.
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Yesterday, I had to tell her
you might be interrogating her.
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We wanted a brief chat.
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THAT is your suspect.
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A man who's twice come to our home
equipped to do us violence.
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It's not a very big leap, is it,
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to work out that
he probably killed Gerry, too?
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Come on.
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How's my mum?
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I need to remind you
you're still under caution, Marty.
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Did she die?
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No.
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But she's very poorly, I'm afraid.
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Oh, Mum.
CAR ENGINE STARTS
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Yes, that's my jacket.
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Are you able to explain why
Mr Cooper's blood is on it?
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Because he did hit me.
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And on that occasion,
I hit him back.
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And where was this?
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My flat.
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When?
February 12th, my birthday.
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You were seeing each other
at this point?
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That was the night we split up.
Your birthday?
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Oh, yeah.
Because?
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It's a long story.
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Here all day.
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So, I got pregnant by him
in June 2020.
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But at that stage of my life,
having a child
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was just not something
I could contemplate...
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..so I had a termination.
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And that night, he came round...
I'm sorry.
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Father Ryan told me
that you actually had the baby
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and gave it up for adoption?
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That's an interesting interpretation
of confessional privilege.
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Yes, I told Father Ryan that.
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Because when I said I'd got pregnant
by a married man,
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he slightly shat the bed.
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I mean, from everything
that I've read of yours,
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from watching some of your stuff
on BNC,
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you're a pretty staunch pro-lifer,
aren't you?
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I think that terminating
a potential life
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is a desperately sad thing to do.
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But bringing a child into
the world...
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especially now,
that you don't want...
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..that you don't feel that
you can give the best life to...
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is so much more sad...
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..is how I feel.
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And I profoundly regret
not saying that out loud before now.
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I think it's fair to say that
I'm the worst kind of hypocrite.
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And when was it, the termination?
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SHE SNIFFLES
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Um...
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July.
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And Cooper knew about it?
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Yes, unfortunately.
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Why "unfortunately"?
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Um, so on... on February 12th,
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..uh, Gerry called me and said
that he wanted to come round
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to give me something.
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And idiot me, I still thought
that it was a present, but, um...
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actually, it was a demand
that I lend him 30 grand.
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SHE SNIFFS
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I presume then, by this stage,
he knew that
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you'd been offered a contract
by BNC? Yes.
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And what did you say?
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No, of course.
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Did you have that amount of money?
No.
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I mean,
I had a few thousand saved up,
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but nothing near that amount.
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And what did he say
when you said no?
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He would tell BNC and every
newspaper I'd ever worked for
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that this pro-lifer,
devout Catholic,
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had broken lockdown rules,
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had an affair with a married man,
and had an abortion.
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And I told him he was evil.
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And he punched me in the face.
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And I hit him round the head
with a carving of a duck,
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hence the blood.
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And then I fled my flat.
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And I didn't return
until about three hours later,
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this time with a male friend,
but by that time, he'd... he'd gone.
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And will your friend testify
to that? Mm.
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Yeah, I spoke to him yesterday.
I'll give you his details.
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Did Cooper ever act on
any of his threats?
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Not that I'm aware of, no...
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but by the time it...
it'd come closer to me leaving,
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he'd lowered the amount to 5K,
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and just to get him off my back,
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I agreed to meet him
and make him a transfer.
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That was on the 24th of February,
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and obviously,
he... he never showed.
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And then I found out from a mutual
friend that he'd disappeared.
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And given everything that
had gone on between us, I just..
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I just wanted to get out of London
as quickly as possible.
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I'll ask you again,
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did you ever liaise
with Juliet Cooper?
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Yes, I spoke to her once.
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She must have got my number from
his phone, and she... she rang me,
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it was about a year before
he disappeared.
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And she was very unpleasant.
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She said that
she would fuck my life up.
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But I never...
I never met her in person.
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RINGS DOOR BELL
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Mrs Dowari?
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Yes. DS Boulting,
Bishop Street Police Station.
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I wonder if you could spare me
five minutes for a quick chat?
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'Would she return here voluntarily?'
Well, she said an emphatic "no".
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And given any extradition will take
many weeks, I'm heading back.
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Well, they've also been
some interesting developments here.
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'Yeah? What's happening?'
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Almost immediately,
it was clear it wasn't habitable.
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Damp started to appear
in both bedrooms,
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and the children started to cough
and have permanent colds.
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And you feel bad, complaining,
because...
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we were immigrants
and we had not yet...
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had the opportunity to give back
to this wonderful country.
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But Asif was brilliant and told us
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our children have a right
to live safely.
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He was only our interpreter,
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but he fought so hard for us
with Mr Cooper.
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Except every time Mr Cooper
said he'd fix the damp,
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all he ever really did
was paint over it.
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And so our son Jamal got sicker
and sicker.
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Sorry, how old was Jamal
at this point?
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18 months when we moved in,
in September 2020.
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Thank you. Please go on.
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So he was really poorly
with a lung infection...
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..and then in late January 2021,
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he was actually admitted to hospital
because of his breathing.
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And how long was your son
in hospital?
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Two weeks and five days.
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And then he came home
to your new place?
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How do you mean?
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When he recovered,
he came home to your new place?
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Jamal never came home.
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Right.
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Sorry, so where did he go?
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Jamal died.
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Oh, Mrs Dowari.
Sorry, I thought you knew.
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He had an acute fungal infection
in his lungs from the damp,
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and he died on
the 22nd of February, 2021.
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Two days before his second birthday.
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I'm so, so sorry.
May Allah comfort you. Thank you.
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Do you mind if I just ask
one last question. Please?
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Of course.
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I presume that Asif wasn't
interpreting for you any more,
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in your new place?
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No. But you kept in contact
with each other?
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Very much so,
he had become a valued friend.
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And I'm assuming that he knew about
your son's death?
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After our family,
he was the first person we told.
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OK, so, obviously, we need
to speak to Asif again.
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Yeah. The timing's just too
coincidental, isn't it? Agreed.
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Fran?
We have triangulation.
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Excellent!
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OK, so, if you look on the 22nd,
that's the Monday,
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data puts Cooper in Brighton,
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which checks out
with his desk diary -
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he was meeting snack suppliers.
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Yeah.
Then back in Bow, in the evening,
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where he calls a local takeaway.
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Yes, got that.
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Then the 23rd, he seems to spend
most of the day in Bow,
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presumably working in
or above the pub.
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OK. Or at least his phone
spent most of the day in Bow.
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Well, yeah.
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But 13:37 on the 24th,
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he makes the call
to the brewery woman to cancel
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the four o'clock meeting,
and that call is made in Ilford.
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Where was Marty Baines' flat?
Ilford. OK.
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So on the day
he is reported missing,
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we have Cooper maybe meeting
Marty Baines. Maybe.
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And did you actually speak to
the brewery person
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who got the voicemail?
Yes.
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She said it was definitely Cooper.
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OK. So we know he's alive
on the 24th.
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Well, yeah, probably.
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How do you mean?
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There's just this weird thing.
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With the voicemail he left her,
she said he called her "babe".
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Babe?
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She said the message
was something like, um,
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"Sorry, babe, can't make today now,
I'll call you."
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OK. And do we definitely know
that they were just work colleagues?
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I mean,
given what we do know about him.
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Oh, yeah. She said they were
definitely just colleagues
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and that his language
was inappropriate, so...
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I don't know.
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Something about the timing
of all this is just off.
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The dodgy number plates,
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this message...
Mm.
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..something...
Yeah.
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One to ponder.
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Uh... OK, listen, thanks, guys.
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Hey.
Hi, love. Hi.
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Um, Steve's been here,
he took his stuff.
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Yeah, I know, I said he could.
No... No, it's not that.
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It's not that, Jess,
I'm just a bit worried about him.
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'He's saying some bad things.'
What things?
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Like how he's messed up
his whole life
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and he can't see a way forward.
Is he still there?
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'No, he left about ten minutes ago.'
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He's found a rental
round the corner. Where?
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Um, Larford Street.
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Jesus, that's literally
the next fucking road.
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'I mean... he wouldn't do
anything silly, would he?
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'He's not...
He's not like that, is he?
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'He's not that sort of person?'
No, look, uh,
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I'll call him, or I'll drop by
on the way home.
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What number was it again?
'25.'
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Right, OK. Um, listen, Mum,
I've gotta go.
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I'll talk to you later.
OK. Thanks. Bye.
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So, how was it?
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I don't know
if you're aware of this,
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but it rains a lot in Ireland?
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You're joking (?)
I've never noticed (!)
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Listen, are you OK to go straight
into an interview with Asif Syed?
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We've only got two hours left on
the clock.
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Yeah. Let's go for it.
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And then it'll be straight into
Marty Baines.
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Murray sent you
the Dowari statement, I think?
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He did, and I've got an idea
on how to approach this.
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Great. Fire away.
250
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Since we last spoke,
251
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we have new information
on the Dowari family.
252
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Do you remember Jamal Dowari?
253
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No comment.
254
00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,960
Well, according to his mum, Nahal,
you absolutely adored him.
255
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You bought him a play mat
for his first birthday, you...
256
00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,960
baby-sat him on numerous occasions,
do you remember that?
257
00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,959
No comment.
258
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I'm sorry to bring this up
259
00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,959
because I can see
you're getting upset,
260
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but do you remember what caused
little Jamal's death?
261
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No comment.
262
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I think you do remember
because you were at the hospital,
263
00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,799
helping the Dowari family
understand what was happening
264
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and speaking to the doctors,
weren't you?
265
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HE SNIFFLES
266
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No comment.
267
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You know he died of
a fungal infection,
268
00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,959
almost certainly caused by
the conditions
269
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in Gerard Cooper's flat.
270
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No comment.
271
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Do you remember the day he died,
Asif?
272
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He died on
the 22nd of February, 2021,
273
00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,000
just two days before
his second birthday...
274
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..and less than 48 hours before
Gerard Cooper disappeared.
275
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So, listen,
let me tell you where we are.
276
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I think you're in
a bit of a... panic.
277
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I think you see your whole world
collapsing - your citizenship,
278
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,959
your relationship,
your whole life in the UK.
279
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And the truth is,
if you do remain silent,
280
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,959
we would be obliged to seek
the authority to charge you
281
00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,959
with the car park assault,
282
00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,959
despite us knowing that
Gerard Cooper was a violent man
283
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,479
you may well have had
to defend yourself against.
284
00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,959
For your information,
285
00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,959
I've spoken to
the police at Barnstable,
286
00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:03,959
and they will not be charging you
with any immigration offences.
287
00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,959
Your partner has taken
full responsibility for that.
288
00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,959
So we would love to be able
to eliminate you
289
00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,799
from our enquiries as well.
290
00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,960
We suspect you're a good man, Asif,
but...
291
00:16:12,961 --> 00:16:14,959
HE SIGHS
292
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,959
..you need to help us here.
293
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Help us help you.
294
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,639
A few weeks
after Jamal first got sick,
295
00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,959
in December, I...
296
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,960
I went to see Cooper at his pub
doing a lunch for the homeless.
297
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,010
And there he was...
298
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,960
..serving food and handing out
clothes and presents, and...
299
00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,960
..he was brilliant.
300
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,320
Kind, funny, generous
and just... just lovely.
301
00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,960
Which is when I realised...
302
00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,959
..he could be empathetic,
303
00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,960
he did have the capacity
for compassion, he just...
304
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,960
..he just chose
not to show it to us.
305
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,960
Because he'd stopped seeing us...
306
00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,010
..as human.
307
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,960
We had "swarmed over"
in our "hordes".
308
00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,960
He saw us as... vermin.
309
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,959
The day Jamal got admitted,
I went to see Cooper that night.
310
00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,959
I'd taken a... a photo of Jamal
on a drip,
311
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,159
and my intention
was just to show him,
312
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,959
to shame him,
and naively, I thought maybe...
313
00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,959
maybe it would change him.
314
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,959
His reaction at first
was to intimidate me physically,
315
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,999
pushing and shoving
cos he was a bully.
316
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,959
And when that didn't work,
317
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,639
because why would it
with someone like me,
318
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,959
he actually tried to hit me.
319
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:15,959
I mean, he was out of shape,
320
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960
and I put him down with two punches,
but...
321
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,960
..that was it.
322
00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,960
I walked away leaving him groaning
on the ground but very much alive.
323
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,959
So what were you doing
in Juliet Cooper's house, Marty?
324
00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:59,959
I wanted to speak to Taylor.
325
00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,959
Right.
And what did you want to say to her?
326
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,959
I wanted to offer her
my sincere condolences for her loss.
327
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,999
You broke into her house late
at night to offer your condolences?
328
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,640
Yes, I did.
329
00:19:09,641 --> 00:19:12,959
You had a screwdriver on you, Marty,
in your bag
330
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,639
and a hammer in your hand
when we intercepted you.
331
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,959
Marty Baines,
lock-breaker extraordinaire.
332
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,959
So you've broken into
her home before, haven't you?
333
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,159
Uh, yes, I have.
Where was that?
334
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,960
Above the pub.
Why'd you do that?
335
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,319
To give her dad a right sorting out.
Marty.
336
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,959
You wanted to do violence to him?
Uh, yes, I did.
337
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,999
Punch him on the hooter.
338
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,959
OK.
339
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,959
So we know that Taylor talked you
out of doing anything that day,
340
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,959
but did you later change your mind?
No. I did not.
341
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,959
At a later date,
did you get angry again
342
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,799
about what he did to you,
and specifically to your dad,
343
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,999
and attack him?
No, I did not.
344
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,959
Did you kill him, Marty?
No man has the right
345
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,070
to take another man's life,
DI Sunil Khan.
346
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,959
Can we talk to you about Ilford?
347
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,959
I lived in Ilford.
Yes, we know.
348
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,999
We wanted to ask you about
a particular day.
349
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,319
What day? A day we think that
Gerry Cooper was in Ilford as well.
350
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,959
In 2021, in February,
351
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,959
we wanted ask you if you remember
meeting him in Ilford?
352
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,639
I never met him in Ilford.
353
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,959
Are you sure?
Yes, I'm sure.
354
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,959
He never came to your flat?
He never came to my flat.
355
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,959
Cos we have a record of
a phone call he made from Ilford
356
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,959
on the day we think
he might have disappeared.
357
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,959
What day is this?
The 24th of February, 2021.
358
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,959
On the 24th of February,
I had Coco Pops and tinned peaches
359
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,799
for breakfast, watched Lorraine
and Homes Under The Hammer,
360
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,959
before walking to City Airport
to watch for planes.
361
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,959
I returned to my flat at 20:55
362
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960
in time for Kirstie and Phil
on Love It Or List It.
363
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,959
That's very detailed, Marty.
364
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,159
Can I ask you why
you have never told us this before?
365
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,960
You never asked me.
366
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,159
Out of interest, can I ask you
what you did on the 23rd?
367
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,959
On the 23rd of February,
I had Coco Pops and tinned peaches
368
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,959
for breakfast, watched Lorraine
and Homes Under The Hammer,
369
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,959
before walking to City Airport
to watch for planes.
370
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,480
I returned to my flat at 20:35
for The Real CSI at 21:00.
371
00:21:24,211 --> 00:21:28,959
I'd put good money on him being on
that airport CCTV
372
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,959
exactly when he said he was.
Mm.
373
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,959
Boss?
374
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,959
The cyclist's daughter dropped
his diary in. Oh, yeah?
375
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,959
Like he said,
it was 3:30 in the morning
376
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,959
when he witnessed the disposal,
but it was 3:30 on the 24th.
377
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,159
No way.
378
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,959
Which obviously begs
a number of questions.
379
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,959
Yeah, just a few.
Yeah. The most obvious one of which
380
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,090
is how the hell does a man leave
a voicemail on someone's phone...
381
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,959
..when his dismembered body
had been thrown into the marsh
382
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,010
ten hours before?
383
00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:10,959
So, these...
384
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,959
according to DVLA,
are the five number plates
385
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,959
at the time of the murder
of the cars of Asif Syed,
386
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,959
Melinda Ricci, Marty Baines's dad,
Gerry Cooper and Juliet Cooper.
387
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,960
All pretty anonymous saloons.
And this...
388
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,319
..is our murder car.
Now, it's possible, I guess,
389
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,959
that the killer could've acquired
fake plates,
390
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,959
but that would have required
a lot of prior planning,
391
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,959
suggests premeditation.
This wasn't premeditated.
392
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,959
No. So my best guess is
they altered their own plates
393
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,959
with marker pen or tape or whatever.
394
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,959
Changed an F to an E,
a three or a six to an eight, etc.
395
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,959
So basically,
which of these five plates
396
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,959
could most easily be changed
to match that one? Exactly.
397
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,220
So, who's good at Wordle?
398
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,999
It's obviously not that one
or that one.
399
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,999
Can't be this one, either.
Yeah...
400
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,959
Well, two Fs can be Es.
401
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,959
Yeah, and that P's gotta be that B.
402
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,959
Yeah, so it's obviously this one,
isn't it?
403
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,959
The M stays the same,
the C changes to an O.
404
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,159
The five to a six.
Seven stays the same.
405
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,959
Two Es and a B.
406
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,959
So, whose car is that?
407
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,960
That car belonged to...
408
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,959
..Juliet Cooper.
409
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,160
DS BOULTING WHISTLES
410
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,159
Hass?
'Asif?'
411
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,800
THEY CONVERSE
IN OWN LANGUAGE:
412
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,959
That was the hospital.
413
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,959
Marty's mum's
recovered consciousness.
414
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,319
And she just told a nurse
415
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,959
that she stirred the pills
into her own drink.
416
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,959
Why?
Said she felt a burden.
417
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,960
Said she felt that he would get
better help without her.
418
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,480
SHE EXHALES HEAVILY
419
00:24:18,481 --> 00:24:21,959
Right,
aside from the burglary dwelling,
420
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,959
let's release him NFA.
Yep.
421
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,959
He'll need to be with her.
Mm-hm.
422
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960
Has anyone seen DI Khan?
423
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,800
I really like you.
424
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,960
I always have, but you were taken.
425
00:24:36,581 --> 00:24:38,959
But over the last year or so,
426
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,640
as we've got to know
each other better, it's just...
427
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,959
..it's just been lovely.
428
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,959
And then the other night happened.
429
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,960
And then you rang and rang.
And I... ran.
430
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,480
As I always have, actually.
431
00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:59,959
So I'm just gonna say
what I'm gonna say,
432
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,960
and then if you don't mind,
I'm gonna go back to work, and...
433
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,959
..you can absorb it
without the pressure of me...
434
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,010
looking at you?
435
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,960
You're not a serial killer, are you?
436
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,999
24 years ago, I was in
a relationship with a bloke, and...
437
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,960
we'd been together three
pretty unhappy years, and then...
438
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,800
..one day, I went out to get
some fags and never came back.
439
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,160
Which was... fine. Except...
440
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,000
..we had a daughter
who I also left behind.
441
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,959
And who,
for many complicated reasons,
442
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,480
I haven't seen... since.
443
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,960
Which is obviously quite a thing.
444
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,960
That's what I thought
you should know.
445
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,959
And obviously,
there were mental health issues
446
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,799
and court cases and...
lots and lots of pain...
447
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,959
and I'm sure you have
a million questions,
448
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,319
but as I say,
I'm gonna head back to work now,
449
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,959
but I just wanted you
to know that, and, um...
450
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,010
and...
451
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,320
..yeah.
452
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,959
Call me if you still...
453
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960
Yeah.
Hey. Leanne...
454
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,960
DOOR OPENS
455
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,959
DOOR CLOSES
456
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,320
PHONE VIBRATES
457
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960
Jess. What's happening?
458
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,959
The thing that tripped us up
459
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,800
was the voice message
left on the 24th.
460
00:26:58,801 --> 00:27:01,959
But I'm guessing that was
an old message left for you,
461
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,959
and you just replayed it
into his phone mic,
462
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,960
as you used HIS phone
to call the brewery colleague.
463
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,959
Nice touch driving to Ilford
to make the call, though. Mm.
464
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,639
And when we track down your old car,
465
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,959
I wonder if we'll find residue
of the marker pen or gaffer tape
466
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,960
you used on the number plate?
467
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,959
No jury would ever convict
on any of that.
468
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,480
Oh, I don't know.
469
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,959
But we'll also speak to
your daughter.
470
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,999
And I have a strong feeling
471
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,959
that based on your intense desire
for us not to
472
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,800
that she saw something that night.
473
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960
Or... you can tell us
what happened...
474
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,960
..and maybe... maybe
we don't need to involve Taylor.
475
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,800
I'll tell you.
476
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,959
The marriage had been broken
many years.
477
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,640
He'd changed so much
from the person I met in 2009.
478
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,320
I guess we both changed.
479
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,639
The further he lurched to the right,
480
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,960
the more I'd provoke him,
mostly deliberately. And end up...
481
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,960
..loathing him all afresh.
482
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,319
Why didn't you just separate?
Taylor.
483
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,959
Our finances.
484
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,639
The pandemic. Inertia.
There were always reasons.
485
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,999
Bad ones, but reasons.
486
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,960
And so...
487
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,010
..how did it end?
488
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,480
It was the night of the 22nd.
489
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,959
I was cooking.
Making stuff for the freezer.
490
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,959
And... he got back late,
after 11, drunk, and...
491
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960
told me he'd be out on the 24th.
492
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,959
I reminded him sarcastically
493
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,960
that that was
our wedding anniversary, and he...
494
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,959
..spewed out some misogyny or other,
495
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,959
and we started to go at each other.
496
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,959
Taylor was deep asleep upstairs,
thank God.
497
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,159
And as usual,
when I bested him verbally,
498
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,480
which I always did
cos it turns out he was thick...
499
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,159
..he'd start getting physical -
500
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,959
pushing me and grabbing my hair.
501
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,959
So, I'd gone to the kitchen table
to try to de-escalate things.
502
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,960
I sat down
to continue chopping and...
503
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,640
..without any warning,
he punched the back of my head...
504
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,960
..really hard. And it was...
505
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:08,799
..so painful and such a shock
that something in me snapped,
506
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,960
and I-I...
507
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,960
..I span round in my chair...
508
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,960
..and... and sort of punched
the top of his leg...
509
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,960
..with a little paring knife
still in my hand.
510
00:30:24,961 --> 00:30:28,959
And he must have been
so surprised himself,
511
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,959
he didn't even come after me
as I bolted,
512
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,959
and I managed to get
to the downstairs loo
513
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,959
and lock myself in.
514
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,959
And I could hear him shouting at me,
calling me a bitch and a whore,
515
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,960
and telling me
what he was going to do to me.
516
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,640
And then I heard him say
he was bleeding badly.
517
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,960
And then it went quiet for a bit,
and... and then he...
518
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,959
..he called my name,
still quite angrily...
519
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,960
and then it just went quiet.
And stayed quiet.
520
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,959
I stayed in the loo for,
I don't know, maybe half an hour.
521
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,670
I didn't come out till I was sure
he'd have calmed down.
522
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,640
I found him on the kitchen floor
in a pool of blood.
523
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Dead.
524
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,960
MARTY: No good crying
over spilt milk, Mum.
525
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,959
Just want you home now.
526
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,959
That's what we're gonna do, Marty.
527
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,959
Soon as Mum's up and walking,
528
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,959
we'll get her some help at home, OK?
529
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,959
Yeah?
Yeah.
530
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Help at home, that's what
we wanted, isn't it? Yeah?
531
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,960
Home sweet home, Mum.
532
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,960
As soon as I saw he was dead...
533
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,959
..in that same instant...
534
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,160
I knew...
535
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,159
..I would do whatever I needed
to do to protect my daughter.
536
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,480
I would not...
I could not leave her alone.
537
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,959
No father, and me in prison.
538
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,959
But I knew I needed to be...
539
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,959
very fucking focused
not to get caught.
540
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,959
First up, I used multiple cloths
to mop it up,
541
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,319
put them all into a bucket,
542
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,959
and then everything into
multiple bin liners.
543
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,959
I then stripped all my clothes off,
put them into bin liners,
544
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,959
and then wrapped Gerry in the same
545
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,640
before dragging him into
his office and locking the door.
546
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,960
In the morning,
I took Taylor to school...
547
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,959
..saying Daddy had left
for a work meeting,
548
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,959
and arranged a playdate for her
that evening.
549
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,959
I then went to work,
leaving Gerry's phone on
550
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,480
and charged at home.
551
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,959
My last lecture finished at three,
552
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,959
then I drove home,
stopping first at an internet cafe
553
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,639
to Google the fuck out of stuff,
554
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,960
then a hardware store,
where I bought...
555
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,959
..two new carving knives,
more refuse sacks
556
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,959
and some gaffer tape, with cash.
557
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,640
When I got back to the pub...
558
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,960
..I made sure I had a nice chat
with them all then went upstairs.
559
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960
I dragged Gerry back into
the kitchen...
560
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,480
..and I cut him up into six pieces.
561
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Took less than an hour.
562
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Minimal blood by this stage,
obviously.
563
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,959
Then I wrapped each part
in bin liners, and again,
564
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,959
took off all my clothes,
put them into bin liners,
565
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960
before showering
and putting on fresh clothes.
566
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,959
I then put Gerry back in his office,
567
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,480
locked the door, and drove
to pick up Taylor from her playdate.
568
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,160
When she was in the bath...
569
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,959
..one by one, I put the bits
of Gerry into a big holdall
570
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,959
and then into the boot of the car.
571
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,959
I then stirred
a herbal sleeping pill
572
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,370
into a cup of hot chocolate
and put Taylor to bed.
573
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,959
After the pub was shut,
574
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,959
I went and changed the number plate
with cut-up pieces of gaffer tape,
575
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,960
and at 2:30 in the morning,
I drove east to the marshes.
576
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,960
And that's what happened.
577
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Her timeline's wrong.
Her what?
578
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,160
What? What is it?
579
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,959
There. Right?
580
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,959
On the 22nd,
he calls a takeaway at 19:12,
581
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,959
which is about 100 yards
from their flat. Yeah?
582
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,959
And then...
583
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,959
he gets this text message confirming
the delivery address for the order
584
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,280
as the flat above their pub.
585
00:35:51,281 --> 00:35:54,959
Well, why would she say
that he didn't get home till 11?
586
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,320
Exactly. Why lie about the timing,
if you've confessed to the murder?
587
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,010
Why do you think?
588
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960
I think you know.
589
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,640
Taylor, you wouldn't be telling us
anything we don't already know.
590
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, he hit her.
591
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,100
And did you witness it?
592
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,960
I heard it. Lots of times.
593
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,960
And... I saw the bruises
on her body.
594
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,959
But then the last row,
I actually did see it, yeah.
595
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,959
OK.
596
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,960
And can you tell us about it?
597
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,999
Look, whatever's happened,
598
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,959
whatever my mum's admitted doing,
599
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,959
it would have only been in
self-defence.
600
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,000
We absolutely know that.
601
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,959
I was... I was just in my bedroom,
doing some homework, um...
602
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,960
and I heard him start shouting.
Roughly what time?
603
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,639
Maybe eight?
OK.
604
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,960
So I put my buds in...
605
00:37:11,541 --> 00:37:13,959
..but I could still hear him.
606
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,959
And, um, I could hear
her screaming back at him.
607
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,959
And I don't know why, but this time,
I decided to go downstairs.
608
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,959
And she was on the floor
in the kitchen.
609
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,959
She was on her side,
and she kept trying to get up,
610
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,959
but every time she would, he'd...
611
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,960
bring the heel of his boot down
on her ribs really hard.
612
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,959
And, um, she was crying,
613
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,960
and it was horrible.
614
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,479
He had his back to me,
and she was faced away,
615
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,959
so neither of them saw me, but...
616
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,959
I just, I wanted to do something
to stop him
617
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,959
because I thought
he was gonna kill her.
618
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,959
So there was this little knife
on the kitchen table,
619
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,959
and I grabbed it
and sort of jabbed it into his leg.
620
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,959
I'm just gonna have
to quickly caution...
621
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,960
It's fi... It's fine, it's fine.
There's no need. Um, carry on.
622
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,480
So you... you grabbed it,
and you jabbed it in his leg.
623
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,959
Yeah, and he, um,
he cried out in shock.
624
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,960
He swung round, and he saw me,
and he looked so upset.
625
00:38:10,911 --> 00:38:12,959
Um...
626
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,959
But then Mum was back up
on her feet, so she grabbed my hand,
627
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,999
and she led me upstairs.
And I just remember looking back
628
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,959
and seeing him watch me go,
holding the back of his leg,
629
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,959
and he just looked really sad.
630
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,960
And then, my mum ran me
a bath upstairs, and...
631
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,999
..she read with me, and then...
632
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,960
then she stroked me to sleep.
633
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,960
And the next morning, there was a...
a Crunchie by the side of my bed.
634
00:38:36,961 --> 00:38:38,999
And, um...
635
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,959
Mum said that Dad had left it for me
636
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,550
and that he had to leave early
for a work meeting, so...
637
00:38:44,551 --> 00:38:46,959
..I knew he'd forgiven me
for what I'd done.
638
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
And, uh...
639
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,400
..did you see him that evening?
640
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960
No. I had a playdate after school.
641
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,959
And, um, Mum said that he was on
a work call in his office
642
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,520
and that I wasn't to disturb him.
643
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,250
And then the next day
was when he went missing.
644
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,010
Oh, my God.
645
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,959
She doesn't know.
646
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,639
No.
647
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,770
Her mother took her upstairs,
she never even saw him bleeding.
648
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,479
I mean... what do we even do
with that? Just...
649
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,960
What do we do?
650
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,960
OK, so I think
we only really have two options.
651
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,959
We somehow ignore that,
652
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,999
what she just said,
let the mother take the blame.
653
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,959
OK, so Juliet goes self-defence,
gets maybe...
654
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,959
four years, out in two?
Yeah.
655
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,959
And then we're liable for
perverting the course of justice.
656
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Yes.
Or?
657
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,959
We tell the CPS.
What she just told us?
658
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,959
They will almost certainly decide
that charges
659
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,159
are not in the public interest.
Almost certainly.
660
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,959
Well, exactly.
661
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,959
And even...
even if they do decide that,
662
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,959
a 14-year-old kid
still has to live with the knowledge
663
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
that she killed her own dad.
664
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,959
Do you know what?
This is not our decision to make.
665
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,959
Who the hell else's is it?
It's Juliet's.
666
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,959
No. You do not want the weight
of this on your shoulders.
667
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,800
Please.
Jess...
668
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,960
..trust me, you do not.
669
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,960
We need to speak to Juliet.
670
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,960
Why would you have interviewed her?
Why would you have done that?
671
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,959
She's been through so much already.
672
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,959
Why couldn't you
just let me protect her?
673
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,959
Because even taking into account
the circumstances, Juliet,
674
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,959
you might still spend
two years in jail
675
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,959
away from your daughter.
Which is infinitely better
676
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,319
than her spending
a single second there!
677
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,959
Except we don't think she would.
678
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,479
We think a reasonable force argument
would prevail,
679
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,959
and we don't think the CPS
would want to prosecute.
680
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,959
Now, you could then be charged
with unlawful disposal
681
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960
and perverting
the course of justice...
682
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,959
..but again,
given the circumstances,
683
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,959
we don't think the CPS
would want to prosecute,
684
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,959
although that's a risk
you need to consider.
685
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,959
Now obviously, you know,
we can't guarantee anything,
686
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,959
but you can decide
what you want to do.
687
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,959
There's... There's no record
of our conversation with Taylor.
688
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,959
We just wanted to let you know
that you have a choice.
689
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960
Oh, my God.
690
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,480
What would you do?
691
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,479
So for a number of reasons,
this is my last show.
692
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,959
BNC have said
it's because I've been guilty
693
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,959
of "moral turpitude",
and... maybe I have,
694
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,959
but I think the real reason
I've been fired is because
695
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,959
I've stopped being able to say
what they want me to say
696
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,959
and believe it.
697
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,959
Now, what they've wanted me to say
was generally
698
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,959
what they thought YOU believed.
And of course, you're entitled
699
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,799
to hold whichever views you wish,
700
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,959
it is a free country
with free speech,
701
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,959
but I do also want to say this.
702
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,959
Don't you sometimes want to hear
the other side of the debate?
703
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,959
I think a channel like ours
should test
704
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,959
and challenge
its audience sometimes.
705
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,159
I think we should air
contrary positions
706
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,959
to the ones we know you think
because surely, it's only through
707
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,959
a vigorous but respectful exchange
of opinions,
708
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,959
that new ideas,
hopefully better ones,
709
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,959
about how we live our lives today
can begin to develop.
710
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,959
Now, I was pretty angry
when they first fired me,
711
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,959
and I was gonna sit here
and give them
712
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,959
and you both barrels tonight.
713
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,010
But you know what?
714
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,959
Enough rage,
715
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,959
enough division, it's really not
getting us anywhere, is it?
716
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,479
So instead I wish you all love,
I wish you all peace, and for now,
717
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,320
from me, it's good night,
good luck, and God bless.
718
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,960
WOMAN: Thank you, Mel.
719
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,960
MAN: 'Coming up later...'
720
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,480
What's happening, Mum?
721
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,960
And you'll lose your commission, hm?
Probably.
722
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,010
Oh, Sam.
723
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,959
Hey, I'm...
not gonna be incarcerated on a barge
724
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,959
for the next God knows
how many months, so...
725
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,959
I've no regrets.
726
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,320
I took you for granted.
727
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,800
And you being able to stay here...
728
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,960
..us being able to be together
is way more important than my job.
729
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,010
And, uh...
730
00:44:48,911 --> 00:44:50,959
SAM CHUCKLES
731
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,800
Fuck it. Um...
732
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,960
This is not how I planned this,
um...
733
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,370
How would you fancy marrying me,
gorgeous man?
734
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Yes. Yes.
Oh.
735
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,959
Yep, OK, understood.
736
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960
OK, I'll tell them. Thanks. Bye.
737
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Not in the public interest
to charge Taylor.
738
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,010
And Juliet?
739
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Same.
740
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,960
We made a decision
741
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,959
Sometimes, that's all you can do.
742
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,010
Yeah.
743
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Let's go tell 'em.
744
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,959
Hey. Mel.
Hey. How are you?
745
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,959
I'm good, thanks, really good.
746
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,959
Not seen you for a few days.
747
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,959
Uh, no, I've been away for a bit.
But I'm back now.
748
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,960
I'm back.
Good.
749
00:47:20,581 --> 00:47:23,159
'Hi, you've reached Leanne.
750
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,319
'Please leave a message
after the tone.'
751
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,959
RECORD MESSAGE TONE
752
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,319
Hey, it's me. Um...
753
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,959
so thank you for telling me
what you did.
754
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,959
I'm not sure how you expected me
to react, but...
755
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,960
but you seemed pretty scared, uh,
and I get that.
756
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,159
So let's meet, let's, uh, talk more,
let's get drunk more.
757
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,959
We all have our stories, Lea.
758
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,999
Stuff that we did
that we wish was different.
759
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,479
The people that we were
that we wish we weren't.
760
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,959
God knows I have.
761
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,959
So let's meet.
762
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,959
Yeah, let's talk.
763
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,280
Call me, when you're ready.
764
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960
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