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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,048 --> 00:00:06,963 ERIN: Okay, this is it. 2 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:08,921 KATHY [over phone]: We're broadcasting on WQTI, 3 00:00:08,965 --> 00:00:11,968 streaming on WQTI.org. 4 00:00:12,012 --> 00:00:15,189 The name of our live podcast is Justice Denied. 5 00:00:15,232 --> 00:00:17,365 Our guest is Jeffrey Durning, 6 00:00:17,408 --> 00:00:19,671 distinguished heart surgeon, philanthropist, 7 00:00:19,715 --> 00:00:22,848 and defendant in one of the most sensational murder trials 8 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:23,980 of the decade. 9 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:25,199 Jeffrey, thanks for joining us. 10 00:00:25,242 --> 00:00:26,896 JEFFREY: Thank you for having me on, Kathy. 11 00:00:26,939 --> 00:00:28,332 Oh, please, give me a break. 12 00:00:28,376 --> 00:00:30,378 You know they can't hear you, right? 13 00:00:30,813 --> 00:00:32,510 KATHY: I must admit, I feel a little strange 14 00:00:32,554 --> 00:00:34,164 talking to you. 15 00:00:34,208 --> 00:00:36,949 The last time we saw each other was a year ago in the courtroom 16 00:00:36,993 --> 00:00:39,430 when I was prosecuting you for killing your wife Beth. 17 00:00:39,474 --> 00:00:41,215 JEFFREY: I'm glad you had the courage to re-examine 18 00:00:41,258 --> 00:00:43,173 the evidence and come to a more honest conclusion, 19 00:00:43,217 --> 00:00:44,740 which is more than I can say 20 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:45,828 for some of your former colleagues. 21 00:00:45,871 --> 00:00:47,090 Yeah, well, if he's so honest, 22 00:00:47,134 --> 00:00:48,657 how come you're hiding from us, 23 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:51,921 and telling your story on the air instead of in a courtroom? 24 00:00:51,964 --> 00:00:53,836 The first trial ended in a hung jury, 25 00:00:53,879 --> 00:00:55,359 so tell me, why do you think 26 00:00:55,403 --> 00:00:57,666 the Manhattan D.A.'s office is coming after you again? 27 00:00:57,709 --> 00:00:59,146 Maybe because you killed your wife 28 00:00:59,189 --> 00:01:02,149 and you dumped her body from a plane over the Atlantic? 29 00:01:02,192 --> 00:01:03,802 JEFFREY: Obviously, the office has had a series 30 00:01:03,846 --> 00:01:05,804 of high-profile disasters. 31 00:01:05,848 --> 00:01:06,936 They're looking for a rich, white man's scalp 32 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:08,111 to make up for them. 33 00:01:08,155 --> 00:01:10,070 Of course, now we have my old friend 34 00:01:10,113 --> 00:01:12,246 Erin Reagan saying she has new evidence, 35 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:13,943 but like your wife's body, no one has seen it. 36 00:01:13,986 --> 00:01:16,467 Police! Come on, out of the way. 37 00:01:16,511 --> 00:01:18,078 Move! Get out of the way. 38 00:01:18,121 --> 00:01:19,601 Oh, it looks like 39 00:01:19,644 --> 00:01:20,950 we have some surprise guests joining us. 40 00:01:20,993 --> 00:01:22,778 We're gonna take a break. 41 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:26,086 [taps on glass] 42 00:01:27,217 --> 00:01:28,827 Where is he? 43 00:01:28,871 --> 00:01:31,613 Obviously not on the premises. 44 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:40,056 [car alarm blaring] 45 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:42,058 Oh, my God, I hate these things! 46 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:44,930 Aren't they supposed to shut off after three minutes? 47 00:01:44,974 --> 00:01:46,758 It's an older model; I guess the guy didn't get the message 48 00:01:46,802 --> 00:01:48,195 he needed to get it fixed. 49 00:01:48,238 --> 00:01:50,284 Or that he needs to move the car for street cleaning. 50 00:01:50,327 --> 00:01:51,850 How long has it been here? 51 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:53,722 A couple days at least, right? 52 00:01:53,765 --> 00:01:54,766 Excuse me, ma'am! 53 00:01:54,810 --> 00:01:56,507 [car alarm continues blaring] 54 00:01:56,551 --> 00:01:58,248 You know whose car this is? 55 00:01:58,292 --> 00:02:00,076 Hey, handsome. 56 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,512 What's it worth to you? 57 00:02:01,556 --> 00:02:03,819 [chuckles] Well... 58 00:02:03,862 --> 00:02:06,648 My tenant, Harry Clark. 59 00:02:06,691 --> 00:02:09,041 I keep telling him he needs a new car. 60 00:02:09,085 --> 00:02:11,566 I know he can afford it. 61 00:02:11,609 --> 00:02:13,176 Would you have him come down? 62 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:15,831 I would, if I'd seen him lately. 63 00:02:18,094 --> 00:02:21,271 Ma'am, do you notice that smell inside your apartment? 64 00:02:21,315 --> 00:02:23,491 No. 65 00:02:23,534 --> 00:02:25,188 But my nose stopped working years ago. 66 00:02:25,232 --> 00:02:27,016 Too much fun in the '70s. 67 00:02:27,059 --> 00:02:28,409 You know what I'm saying. 68 00:02:28,452 --> 00:02:30,062 Come we come take a look? 69 00:02:30,106 --> 00:02:32,717 Sure. Come on in. 70 00:02:38,245 --> 00:02:39,811 Ugh. 71 00:02:39,855 --> 00:02:41,857 Ma'am, can you please wait outside? 72 00:02:44,076 --> 00:02:45,904 [gags] 73 00:02:45,948 --> 00:02:47,167 [coughs] 74 00:02:54,261 --> 00:02:56,741 [groans] Eddie, he's in here. 75 00:02:56,785 --> 00:02:58,787 Oh, he's ripe. 76 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:00,528 [groans] 77 00:03:00,571 --> 00:03:02,182 [coughs] 78 00:03:04,271 --> 00:03:05,228 [groans] 79 00:03:05,272 --> 00:03:07,143 It's been a few days, huh? 80 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:09,319 Oh. 81 00:03:09,363 --> 00:03:10,581 Poor Harry. 82 00:03:10,625 --> 00:03:12,757 Ma'am, I asked you to wait outside.Aw. 83 00:03:12,801 --> 00:03:14,194 Is this Harry Clark, ma'am? 84 00:03:14,237 --> 00:03:15,804 Yeah. 85 00:03:15,847 --> 00:03:17,980 Although, come to think of it, 86 00:03:18,023 --> 00:03:19,895 I'm not sure that's his realname. 87 00:03:19,938 --> 00:03:21,984 What do you mean? 88 00:03:22,027 --> 00:03:23,986 I never saw a bank check with his name on it. 89 00:03:24,029 --> 00:03:25,814 Always paid the rent in cash. 90 00:03:25,857 --> 00:03:28,382 And some of his mail came with different names on it. 91 00:03:28,425 --> 00:03:30,688 Do you have a next of kin we can contact? 92 00:03:30,732 --> 00:03:32,864 No. No one ever visited him. 93 00:03:32,908 --> 00:03:36,128 Uh, Eddie, see if you can find some Vicks. 94 00:03:36,172 --> 00:03:37,565 The smell's starting to get to me. 95 00:03:37,608 --> 00:03:39,262 I may have some.Thank you, ma'am. 96 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:40,785 We're all set, thank you.Oh. 97 00:03:40,829 --> 00:03:43,179 Well, if you need me for anything, just call me. 98 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:45,181 And, you, just call me. 99 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:46,226 Okay. 100 00:03:47,966 --> 00:03:50,230 [exhales] 101 00:04:07,943 --> 00:04:10,162 Good to see you, Nick. You're looking well. 102 00:04:10,206 --> 00:04:12,469 Thank you. You, too. 103 00:04:12,513 --> 00:04:13,688 Thanks for this. 104 00:04:13,731 --> 00:04:14,950 Yeah. 105 00:04:14,993 --> 00:04:16,081 How's the family? 106 00:04:16,125 --> 00:04:17,300 Good. 107 00:04:17,344 --> 00:04:19,781 Yours?Grown up and out. 108 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:23,045 Your son, kind of a hothead, whatever happened to him? 109 00:04:23,088 --> 00:04:25,134 Detective, first grade.Oh. 110 00:04:25,177 --> 00:04:27,310 And the other one, going to Harvard? 111 00:04:27,354 --> 00:04:28,790 On the job as well, 112 00:04:28,833 --> 00:04:31,271 and my daughter Erin works for the D.A.'s office. 113 00:04:31,314 --> 00:04:34,404 It's nice having a family business, huh? 114 00:04:35,449 --> 00:04:37,929 It is. 115 00:04:37,973 --> 00:04:41,281 You know, Frank, when I heard that you got your father's job, 116 00:04:41,324 --> 00:04:43,587 I was happy to hear that. 117 00:04:43,631 --> 00:04:45,285 They gave it to the right man. 118 00:04:45,328 --> 00:04:48,244 Thank you. 119 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,289 Tyrell Dawes, come on in. 120 00:04:54,729 --> 00:04:57,079 Sit down. 121 00:05:11,572 --> 00:05:13,400 You know why you're here? 122 00:05:13,443 --> 00:05:15,358 My parole officer said I should come by here, 123 00:05:15,402 --> 00:05:17,534 but I didn't have to by law. 124 00:05:17,578 --> 00:05:19,406 This is your Offender Notification Forum. 125 00:05:19,449 --> 00:05:22,191 We hold them for people who just got out of prison 126 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:23,801 with a high risk of going back. 127 00:05:23,845 --> 00:05:25,542 Come on, man, what do you got, a crystal ball? 128 00:05:25,586 --> 00:05:27,414 You're a gang member who just did three and a half 129 00:05:27,457 --> 00:05:29,024 for committing a robbery with a handgun 130 00:05:29,067 --> 00:05:31,026 in New York City. 131 00:05:35,944 --> 00:05:37,380 [scoffs] Come on, man. 132 00:05:37,424 --> 00:05:40,035 What do you got, an extra eight-by-ten for my moms? 133 00:05:40,078 --> 00:05:41,645 Turn it over. 134 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:46,258 What's "15" mean? 135 00:05:46,302 --> 00:05:48,043 That's the number of years you'll do 136 00:05:48,086 --> 00:05:50,393 if you commit another crime with a gun. 137 00:05:50,437 --> 00:05:51,742 And that's a hard number; 138 00:05:51,786 --> 00:05:54,223 there won't be any pleading it down. 139 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:57,008 It's up to you, Tyrell. 140 00:05:57,052 --> 00:05:58,923 None of y'all know me. 141 00:05:58,967 --> 00:06:01,273 None of y'all know where I been or where I'm going. 142 00:06:01,317 --> 00:06:02,449 Yeah, we do. 143 00:06:02,492 --> 00:06:04,842 You want to tell him or should I? 144 00:06:04,886 --> 00:06:06,583 May I? 145 00:06:08,803 --> 00:06:11,066 I am here for the same reason that you are, 146 00:06:11,109 --> 00:06:12,981 because the commissioner asked me to be here, 147 00:06:13,024 --> 00:06:16,898 and because I just finished a 20-year bid of my own 148 00:06:16,941 --> 00:06:18,508 in the state prison. 149 00:06:18,552 --> 00:06:20,467 I could still be in that prison. 150 00:06:21,555 --> 00:06:24,296 I killed someone who threatened my family. 151 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:25,863 Commissioner Reagan, who at that time 152 00:06:25,907 --> 00:06:27,430 was Detective Reagan, 153 00:06:27,474 --> 00:06:29,476 he could've buried me. 154 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,478 But he didn't. 155 00:06:31,521 --> 00:06:33,131 He gave me a fair shake. 156 00:06:33,175 --> 00:06:34,655 So... 157 00:06:34,698 --> 00:06:35,873 I'd listen to him. 158 00:06:42,314 --> 00:06:43,881 Man, is this real? 159 00:06:43,925 --> 00:06:45,927 Every word. 160 00:06:51,019 --> 00:06:53,500 [sighs] 161 00:06:53,543 --> 00:06:55,589 [exhales] 162 00:07:06,121 --> 00:07:08,340 [panting] 163 00:07:08,384 --> 00:07:09,603 Look at this. 164 00:07:11,692 --> 00:07:13,476 They're all $100 bills. 165 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,261 There's got to be tens of thousands of dollars in here. 166 00:07:16,305 --> 00:07:18,089 Eddie, I wouldn't be touching that. 167 00:07:20,527 --> 00:07:22,311 "Dear Sandi, I am so sorry about everything. 168 00:07:22,354 --> 00:07:24,792 Maybe the rest of this money will help." 169 00:07:24,835 --> 00:07:27,011 What's he got to be sorry for? 170 00:07:27,055 --> 00:07:29,057 Yeah, and who was he? 171 00:07:36,412 --> 00:07:38,588 ♪ 172 00:07:59,653 --> 00:08:01,655 [groaning]DANNY: What do we got? 173 00:08:01,698 --> 00:08:04,135 Four wounded. One serious and likely to die. 174 00:08:04,179 --> 00:08:05,963 Shootout inside the diner. 175 00:08:06,007 --> 00:08:08,052 One of the rounds went through the front window. 176 00:08:08,096 --> 00:08:10,881 The likely is an Alex Kalamogdartis. 177 00:08:10,925 --> 00:08:11,882 Kala-what? 178 00:08:11,926 --> 00:08:13,188 I don't know, it's Greek. 179 00:08:13,231 --> 00:08:14,885 Okay, what about the other three vics? 180 00:08:14,929 --> 00:08:16,408 Two of them were other customers, 181 00:08:16,452 --> 00:08:18,933 and the third was a 12-year-old boy walking by outside 182 00:08:18,976 --> 00:08:20,282 with his family. 183 00:08:20,325 --> 00:08:21,936 Don't ask me to pronounce his name. 184 00:08:21,979 --> 00:08:24,678 Okay, so we got a gang war at a greasy spoon. Any witnesses? 185 00:08:24,721 --> 00:08:26,810 Well, no one's talking about why it jumped off tonight. 186 00:08:26,854 --> 00:08:28,899 We do know this Alex may have had a dispute 187 00:08:28,943 --> 00:08:29,944 with the management. 188 00:08:29,987 --> 00:08:31,598 Any actual witnesses to the shooting? 189 00:08:31,641 --> 00:08:33,034 Not so much. Hey, boss. 190 00:08:33,077 --> 00:08:35,079 Everyone's saying how it was too dark to see anything. 191 00:08:35,123 --> 00:08:36,341 Too dark in a brightly lit diner? 192 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:38,039 Well, they've been renting it out 193 00:08:38,082 --> 00:08:39,519 as pop-up nightclub sometimes. 194 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:40,955 The current owner is over there, 195 00:08:40,998 --> 00:08:43,131 Stavros Constantine. 196 00:08:43,174 --> 00:08:45,220 Hey, Stavros. 197 00:08:45,263 --> 00:08:48,310 Hey! Want to tell us what this is about? 198 00:08:48,353 --> 00:08:50,051 I mean, I have no idea. 199 00:08:50,094 --> 00:08:52,923 We've never had any trouble on club nights before. 200 00:08:52,967 --> 00:08:55,926 Oh, well, can't imagine people shooting your place up 201 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:58,059 if all you're doing is serving moussaka. 202 00:08:58,102 --> 00:08:59,321 Listen, I'm as confused as you are, okay? 203 00:08:59,364 --> 00:09:00,888 One minute, I'm in the back 204 00:09:00,931 --> 00:09:02,629 making sure we got enough champagne for bottle service, 205 00:09:02,672 --> 00:09:04,021 and the next, 206 00:09:04,065 --> 00:09:05,936 bang, bang, bang, it's all hell is breaking loose. 207 00:09:05,980 --> 00:09:07,590 So you're trying to tell us 208 00:09:07,634 --> 00:09:09,157 you don't know anything about this Alex Kala-what? 209 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,637 ...mogdartis. 210 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,203 Kalamogdartis. Yeah, yeah, of course. 211 00:09:12,247 --> 00:09:14,205 Of course I know Alex Kalamogdartis. 212 00:09:14,249 --> 00:09:16,207 It's like the Trojan War with our families. 213 00:09:16,251 --> 00:09:17,469 What's that mean? 214 00:09:17,513 --> 00:09:18,949 He's been trying to take over our diner. 215 00:09:18,993 --> 00:09:20,211 Mm-hmm.But he's been doing that 216 00:09:20,255 --> 00:09:22,910 to a lot of local businesses; he's a thug. 217 00:09:22,953 --> 00:09:24,215 And you have no idea who shot him. 218 00:09:24,259 --> 00:09:26,087 I'm afraid I-I can't help you. 219 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:27,610 Can't or won't? 220 00:09:27,654 --> 00:09:28,872 Okay, well, we're gonna assume 221 00:09:28,916 --> 00:09:30,439 that you don't have a cabaret license 222 00:09:30,482 --> 00:09:31,614 for this little nightclub of yours, 223 00:09:31,658 --> 00:09:33,050 so here's what we're gonna do. 224 00:09:33,094 --> 00:09:34,486 You're gonna get your hands out of your pocket, 225 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:35,923 and then you're gonna take a ride with us. 226 00:09:35,966 --> 00:09:37,968 See if that jogs your memory. Come on. 227 00:09:44,148 --> 00:09:45,976 [groans] So what? 228 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:47,630 Now that the supervisors have been and gone, 229 00:09:47,674 --> 00:09:49,284 we just have to sit here, 230 00:09:49,327 --> 00:09:51,678 safeguard the place until the public administrator 231 00:09:51,721 --> 00:09:55,595 comes and starts to try to make inventory of all this? 232 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:58,162 Real-life police work, Eddie. 233 00:09:58,206 --> 00:10:00,034 It's not all paperwork and donuts. 234 00:10:00,077 --> 00:10:02,253 [chuckles] 235 00:10:02,297 --> 00:10:04,952 You know, we turned over a lot of money yesterday, 236 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:07,041 and there's still no next of kin. 237 00:10:07,084 --> 00:10:09,652 Some of this junk lying around might be worth something. 238 00:10:09,696 --> 00:10:12,133 Bosses just want us to keep an eye on it 239 00:10:12,176 --> 00:10:14,614 till things get settled. 240 00:10:14,657 --> 00:10:17,921 Yeah, well, hey, can we open a window, please? 241 00:10:17,965 --> 00:10:19,531 The guy's gone, but that stink is 242 00:10:19,575 --> 00:10:21,577 very much still here. 243 00:10:25,886 --> 00:10:28,105 You know, 244 00:10:28,149 --> 00:10:30,542 Harry must have been hiding from something. 245 00:10:30,586 --> 00:10:33,241 Or someone. 246 00:10:33,284 --> 00:10:35,722 Sounds like he's been locked up in this apartment 247 00:10:35,765 --> 00:10:37,071 the last 25 years. 248 00:10:40,683 --> 00:10:42,032 Hey, Jamie, do you remember 249 00:10:42,076 --> 00:10:45,122 the New York Benefactors' Trust robbery? 250 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:47,777 1992, $21 million stolen. 251 00:10:47,821 --> 00:10:49,344 Yeah, biggest heist in the city's history. 252 00:10:49,387 --> 00:10:51,389 Most of it never recovered. 253 00:10:53,783 --> 00:10:57,134 Keep finding all these clippings that Harry kept about it. 254 00:11:00,181 --> 00:11:02,400 Jamie, you don't think... 255 00:11:02,444 --> 00:11:04,054 [sighs] 256 00:11:20,244 --> 00:11:22,769 Should we order first or argue first? 257 00:11:22,812 --> 00:11:24,814 I'm happy to get business out of the way. 258 00:11:24,858 --> 00:11:26,990 We have an arrest warrant for Jeffrey Durning, 259 00:11:27,034 --> 00:11:28,557 and I want to know where he is. 260 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,341 What if I told you I don't know? 261 00:11:30,385 --> 00:11:31,821 Except that he's somewhere in Europe. 262 00:11:31,865 --> 00:11:33,605 I wouldn't believe you. 263 00:11:33,649 --> 00:11:35,172 This isn't about me. 264 00:11:35,216 --> 00:11:37,000 It's about the facts of the case. 265 00:11:37,044 --> 00:11:38,872 Right after the trial, 266 00:11:38,915 --> 00:11:43,877 I started hearing from witnesses that Beth might still be alive. 267 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,140 She was a very unstable woman, Erin. 268 00:11:46,183 --> 00:11:48,055 We are going to retry this case. 269 00:11:48,098 --> 00:11:50,057 We just need him back in custody. 270 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,190 Obviously, you're worried about losing this case 271 00:11:53,234 --> 00:11:55,279 in a court of public opinion before it goes to trial. 272 00:11:55,323 --> 00:11:56,716 If you have new evidence, 273 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,456 why don't you come on my show to talk about it? 274 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,068 How about this? 275 00:12:01,111 --> 00:12:03,766 I have you subpoenaed and brought before the grand jury, 276 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:05,899 and if you don't answer the questions, I will ask the judge 277 00:12:05,942 --> 00:12:07,291 to hold you in contempt. 278 00:12:07,335 --> 00:12:08,640 You'll never win. 279 00:12:08,684 --> 00:12:09,859 Classic First Amendment case. 280 00:12:09,903 --> 00:12:12,209 But I don't have to tell you that, do I? 281 00:12:13,341 --> 00:12:15,082 [sighs] 282 00:12:17,127 --> 00:12:18,738 Good luck, Erin. 283 00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:22,089 I guess I wasn't all that hungry anyway. 284 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:23,525 But maybe you are. 285 00:12:34,318 --> 00:12:36,320 [indistinct chatter, phones ringing] 286 00:12:41,543 --> 00:12:44,198 You weren't 100% honest with us last night, were you? 287 00:12:44,241 --> 00:12:46,200 What do you mean? 288 00:12:46,243 --> 00:12:47,331 I think you had more than 289 00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:49,420 breakfast, lunch and dinner on the menu. 290 00:12:49,464 --> 00:12:50,726 Alex K is a known drug dealer. 291 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:52,206 He came to your place with a beef. 292 00:12:52,249 --> 00:12:53,860 Now, you're trying to tell me 293 00:12:53,903 --> 00:12:56,601 that if we bring the dogs in, they're not gonna find anything? 294 00:12:56,645 --> 00:12:58,081 I'm no drug dealer. 295 00:12:58,125 --> 00:12:59,735 I run a family business. 296 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:02,129 Okay, well, maybe you wouldn't let him sell drugs in your club, 297 00:13:02,172 --> 00:13:03,783 and that's why he had a beef. 298 00:13:05,262 --> 00:13:07,134 Come on, help me understand here. 299 00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:09,223 [knocking on door] 300 00:13:09,266 --> 00:13:10,267 [sighs] 301 00:13:13,096 --> 00:13:15,185 Finally got a couple of witness statements 302 00:13:15,229 --> 00:13:18,101 and a photo from a parking lot camera. 303 00:13:23,193 --> 00:13:25,282 [whispers]: Good work. 304 00:13:26,893 --> 00:13:28,764 Hmm.What's up? 305 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:32,115 You know, I'm thinking, if you didn't fire the shots, 306 00:13:32,159 --> 00:13:34,291 then you definitely know who did. 307 00:13:34,335 --> 00:13:35,336 Who's this? 308 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:39,949 I don't know. 309 00:13:39,993 --> 00:13:41,385 You want to keep your business? 310 00:13:41,429 --> 00:13:42,560 You're gonna take another look 311 00:13:42,604 --> 00:13:44,258 and give me an honest answer this time. 312 00:13:44,301 --> 00:13:46,303 Come on. 313 00:13:46,347 --> 00:13:48,305 Come on! Who is it?! 314 00:13:54,268 --> 00:13:56,444 It's my father. 315 00:14:02,406 --> 00:14:03,755 FRANK: Nick Constantine 316 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:06,019 is hardly a friend; I arrested him once. 317 00:14:06,062 --> 00:14:07,020 Not just that. 318 00:14:07,063 --> 00:14:08,369 Your testimony at his trial... 319 00:14:08,412 --> 00:14:10,371 Was entirely truthful. 320 00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:11,328 And helpful to the defense. 321 00:14:11,372 --> 00:14:13,243 And now that same person 322 00:14:13,287 --> 00:14:15,985 was present, arguably with motive, at the scene 323 00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:17,378 of a shooting and can't be found. 324 00:14:17,421 --> 00:14:18,596 Am I, in some way, suggesting 325 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:19,946 we give him a head start?No, boss. 326 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:21,469 Then what's your point? 327 00:14:21,512 --> 00:14:23,950 That old media has handed down the perception 328 00:14:23,993 --> 00:14:26,213 that you pulled punches when you testified at his trial. 329 00:14:26,256 --> 00:14:28,432 And two days ago, he was at your side 330 00:14:28,476 --> 00:14:30,217 at an Offender's Notification Forum 331 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:32,088 in the role of model ex-con. 332 00:14:32,132 --> 00:14:33,916 I tell you what, you manage the perception, 333 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,265 I'll manage my department. 334 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:37,354 Less than a month ago, you came out strong 335 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:38,790 against the mayor's Fresh Start program. 336 00:14:38,834 --> 00:14:39,791 This isn't that. 337 00:14:39,835 --> 00:14:42,316 Not your call, all due respect. 338 00:14:42,359 --> 00:14:43,883 You need to distance yourself from the appearance 339 00:14:43,926 --> 00:14:45,797 that you've put your eggs in the Nick Constantine basket. 340 00:14:45,841 --> 00:14:48,452 A man does a wrong thing once in his life, 341 00:14:48,496 --> 00:14:50,019 in this case, for the right reason. 342 00:14:50,063 --> 00:14:51,455 There is a part of me 343 00:14:51,499 --> 00:14:54,415 that believes that there can, in fact, be a chance 344 00:14:54,458 --> 00:14:56,460 for a second act in people's lives. 345 00:14:58,245 --> 00:14:59,681 Any idea where he's headed? 346 00:14:59,724 --> 00:15:02,423 We're tracking friends, cell records and credit cards, 347 00:15:02,466 --> 00:15:03,815 but after 20 years, 348 00:15:03,859 --> 00:15:05,992 he doesn't have that much of a network to plug into. 349 00:15:06,035 --> 00:15:07,515 Which means he can't be that far. 350 00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:08,733 Let's make it clear 351 00:15:08,777 --> 00:15:10,344 that we're devoting all our resources 352 00:15:10,387 --> 00:15:12,955 to hunting him down and making sure he pays. 353 00:15:12,999 --> 00:15:14,826 In other words, grandstand before all the facts are in. 354 00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:18,134 Is he even the prime suspect? 355 00:15:18,178 --> 00:15:21,007 Well, he's more than a person of interest. 356 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:23,705 Then let's just find him. 357 00:15:30,016 --> 00:15:33,541 Yeah. Yeah, thanks. 358 00:15:33,584 --> 00:15:35,412 Public administrator's gonna be another day. 359 00:15:35,456 --> 00:15:36,979 They are backed up and understaffed. 360 00:15:37,023 --> 00:15:39,808 Well, Jamie, I just found more cash. 361 00:15:39,851 --> 00:15:41,331 Shouldn't we tell 362 00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:42,724 major case this could all be connected 363 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:44,117 to that bank robbery? 364 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,466 I already put a call in. 365 00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:47,207 It's no longer an active investigation. 366 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:48,948 All the robbers are either 367 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:50,427 dead or in prison, and the bank went under 368 00:15:50,471 --> 00:15:51,776 in the crash of '08. 369 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:53,909 We got no reason to think that Harry was involved 370 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:55,215 other than the clippings. 371 00:15:55,258 --> 00:15:56,825 This cash could be legitimate. 372 00:15:56,868 --> 00:15:58,435 Well, then where did all the money come from? 373 00:15:58,479 --> 00:15:59,871 Doesn't look like this guy's had a job 374 00:15:59,915 --> 00:16:01,612 in a really long time. 375 00:16:01,656 --> 00:16:04,441 And why all this dog stuff and no dog? 376 00:16:04,485 --> 00:16:07,444 Hey, we just walked in your apartment, what would we find? 377 00:16:07,488 --> 00:16:09,316 Some laundry that needs to be folded, 378 00:16:09,359 --> 00:16:12,145 couple unpaid bills, maybe something in the DVD player 379 00:16:12,188 --> 00:16:13,537 I'd rather nobody find out. 380 00:16:13,581 --> 00:16:14,625 Really? 381 00:16:14,669 --> 00:16:16,497 The Little Mermaid. 382 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:17,498 Oh. 383 00:16:17,541 --> 00:16:19,500 Jamie, I don't know. 384 00:16:19,543 --> 00:16:22,111 Part of me thinks this could be an integrity test by IAB 385 00:16:22,155 --> 00:16:23,504 to see what we would actually do. 386 00:16:23,547 --> 00:16:25,332 Do you know how crazy that sounds? 387 00:16:25,375 --> 00:16:26,333 [scoffs] 388 00:16:26,376 --> 00:16:28,509 [knocking on door] 389 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:32,861 Can I help you? 390 00:16:32,904 --> 00:16:34,994 Officer Jamie Reagan? 391 00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:38,301 You left a message for me. 392 00:16:38,345 --> 00:16:39,433 About Harry Clark. 393 00:16:39,476 --> 00:16:41,087 I'm Sandi Harper. 394 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:43,393 This is my grandson, David. 395 00:16:43,437 --> 00:16:45,395 You knew him? He was a friend? 396 00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:47,310 I knew him. 397 00:16:47,354 --> 00:16:50,922 I wouldn't say he was a friend exactly. 398 00:16:50,966 --> 00:16:53,012 He just sent me money. 399 00:16:56,928 --> 00:16:59,366 Mindy, I don't know what this is. 400 00:16:59,409 --> 00:17:01,846 You gave us a statement that Jeffrey told you 401 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:03,065 about killing his wife, 402 00:17:03,109 --> 00:17:04,588 and now you're just trying to take it back? 403 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:09,941 Jeffrey came to visit me the other night. 404 00:17:09,985 --> 00:17:11,595 At my apartment. 405 00:17:11,639 --> 00:17:12,988 He's still in town? 406 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:14,381 He heard that I was helping you 407 00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:16,992 and telling you the things that he said about Beth 408 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:18,385 and how she disappeared. 409 00:17:18,428 --> 00:17:20,300 Did he say how he heard? 410 00:17:20,343 --> 00:17:23,520 It sounded like he had a source that knew people at this office. 411 00:17:26,523 --> 00:17:29,439 He said that I could disappear, too. 412 00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:30,658 Just like Beth. 413 00:17:30,701 --> 00:17:32,529 He directly threatened you? 414 00:17:32,573 --> 00:17:35,271 He made it clear that it wouldn't be good for me. 415 00:17:35,315 --> 00:17:36,881 He called me his little shark bait. 416 00:17:36,925 --> 00:17:38,492 Like it was a joke. 417 00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:40,798 And then he left. 418 00:17:40,842 --> 00:17:43,497 He thinks you guys will never find him. 419 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:47,327 I understand you're scared, but we need your testimony. 420 00:17:47,370 --> 00:17:49,894 Otherwise, he's gonna go out and do this to someone else. 421 00:17:49,938 --> 00:17:52,680 Seriously? Like this is my fault? 422 00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:55,770 I tried to tell you people about this before, 423 00:17:55,813 --> 00:17:56,858 and you wouldn't believe me. 424 00:17:56,901 --> 00:17:59,208 You tried to tell who? 425 00:17:59,252 --> 00:18:02,168 The prosecutor who had this case before you. 426 00:18:02,211 --> 00:18:03,995 Kathy Elliott. 427 00:18:11,568 --> 00:18:13,657 DANNY: Traffic camera last spotted Nick's car 428 00:18:13,701 --> 00:18:15,398 at this intersection. 429 00:18:17,008 --> 00:18:19,402 You see anything yet? 430 00:18:19,446 --> 00:18:21,187 BAEZ: This is it. 431 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:22,797 This is the car Nick was driving. 432 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,103 Of all the places 433 00:18:24,146 --> 00:18:25,626 he could be hiding out, and he chooses a diner? 434 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:27,149 Well, it makes sense. 435 00:18:27,193 --> 00:18:28,585 He's probably hungry, doesn't have a lot of cash. 436 00:18:28,629 --> 00:18:29,804 Go with what you know. 437 00:18:29,847 --> 00:18:31,588 Like a married guy who divorces his wife, 438 00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:33,547 then marries the same kind of girl. 439 00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:35,070 Shouldn't we call it in 440 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:36,506 and wait for backup? No. 441 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:38,595 We're not gonna let him run out on the check this time. 442 00:18:38,639 --> 00:18:39,596 [sighs] 443 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,598 [indistinct chatter] 444 00:18:54,481 --> 00:18:56,787 You go that way. 445 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:00,269 Excuse me. I need you to follow me. 446 00:19:00,313 --> 00:19:03,142 Nick Constantine. 447 00:19:04,273 --> 00:19:06,493 How the hell you been? 448 00:19:07,537 --> 00:19:08,930 Remind me. 449 00:19:08,973 --> 00:19:10,105 Danny Reagan. 450 00:19:11,237 --> 00:19:12,542 Think you know my old man. 451 00:19:12,586 --> 00:19:16,285 Right, Danny. 452 00:19:16,329 --> 00:19:17,504 The hothead. 453 00:19:17,547 --> 00:19:18,505 How you doing? 454 00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:20,507 Maybe we should talk outside. 455 00:19:20,550 --> 00:19:23,249 Why would I do that? 456 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:25,164 Everybody out of the diner. Let's go. 457 00:19:26,643 --> 00:19:27,905 Let's go. Come on. Come on. 458 00:19:40,657 --> 00:19:42,355 You know, Danny, 459 00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,052 at my age... 460 00:19:46,097 --> 00:19:48,535 ...I'm not going back to prison. 461 00:19:48,578 --> 00:19:51,146 We can do this the hard way if you want. 462 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:52,756 But I think you might've caused 463 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,106 enough pain for your family already. 464 00:20:01,243 --> 00:20:05,552 If... ifI come with you, 465 00:20:05,595 --> 00:20:08,642 quietly... 466 00:20:08,685 --> 00:20:10,731 it's on one condition. 467 00:20:10,774 --> 00:20:12,428 I'm listening. 468 00:20:12,472 --> 00:20:15,823 I talk to Frank. 469 00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:17,825 Nobody else. 470 00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:19,435 Just Frank. 471 00:20:21,481 --> 00:20:23,222 I'll see what I could do. 472 00:20:36,104 --> 00:20:38,367 What's the old man doing? 473 00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:40,021 Talk to him. 474 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,210 I got word your suspect wanted to speak to me. 475 00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:57,081 Yeah, he asked. 476 00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:58,735 And I didn't say yes. 477 00:20:58,779 --> 00:21:00,694 Why not? 478 00:21:00,737 --> 00:21:03,131 I don't typically offer up the commissioner's time 479 00:21:03,174 --> 00:21:04,524 as part of my deals. 480 00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:07,483 I'd like to make an exception in this instance. 481 00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:09,833 Well, since when do you come down here 482 00:21:09,877 --> 00:21:11,357 because a suspect asked you to? 483 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,751 Can't think of the last time I did. 484 00:21:14,795 --> 00:21:17,014 Look, 485 00:21:17,058 --> 00:21:18,625 I know he's your collar, 486 00:21:18,668 --> 00:21:22,324 and you certainly don't need my help, Detective. 487 00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:24,326 You're as good as I got, but... 488 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:28,852 ...he was my collar first. 489 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:33,466 I have to know. 490 00:21:33,509 --> 00:21:36,120 Well, he's in the box. 491 00:21:36,164 --> 00:21:40,124 It might be better if I talked to him in here. 492 00:21:41,865 --> 00:21:43,476 Okay. 493 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:44,694 Thank you. 494 00:21:44,738 --> 00:21:47,175 By the way, the gun we found on him 495 00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:49,308 does match the one used in the murder. 496 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:57,838 [door closes] 497 00:22:09,589 --> 00:22:12,983 The coffee at our diner used to be the best coffee in the city. 498 00:22:13,027 --> 00:22:14,985 There's no chain places, 499 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:17,814 one supplier for all of the diners in town. 500 00:22:17,858 --> 00:22:20,513 No special bean that comes out of a cat's ass. 501 00:22:20,556 --> 00:22:23,211 I didn't come down here to reminisce about coffee. 502 00:22:23,254 --> 00:22:24,908 Hmm. 503 00:22:24,952 --> 00:22:28,042 Alex Kalamogdartis. 504 00:22:28,085 --> 00:22:30,349 He was not a nice young man, Frank. 505 00:22:30,392 --> 00:22:33,352 Well, he died this morning. 506 00:22:34,962 --> 00:22:36,442 And "not nice" is not grounds 507 00:22:36,485 --> 00:22:38,574 for a justifiable homicide, Nick. 508 00:22:38,618 --> 00:22:40,054 Rotten apple from a rotten tree. 509 00:22:40,097 --> 00:22:42,796 Come on, the kid had a record as long as the old man. 510 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:44,232 I know that. 511 00:22:44,275 --> 00:22:45,407 Tell me what happened. 512 00:22:45,451 --> 00:22:46,887 I got nothing to tell. 513 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:48,410 I'm at my family restaurant, 514 00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,151 celebrating my freedom. 515 00:22:50,194 --> 00:22:51,805 In walks the kid. 516 00:22:51,848 --> 00:22:53,415 Hot and bothered, stirring up trouble. 517 00:22:53,459 --> 00:22:55,112 Just like his old man. 518 00:22:55,156 --> 00:22:57,158 Next thing I know, bodies are falling. 519 00:22:57,201 --> 00:22:58,594 Who fired the shots? 520 00:22:58,638 --> 00:23:00,466 I don't know; it was dark, it was crowded, 521 00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:02,076 music was loud. 522 00:23:03,643 --> 00:23:04,861 Why do we have 523 00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:08,125 this picture of you leaving with the gun? 524 00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:11,128 [exhales] 525 00:23:11,172 --> 00:23:12,478 I wasn't thinking, Frank. 526 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:14,436 I panicked when I saw the gun on the floor. 527 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,091 All I could think was I got to get it out of here. 528 00:23:17,134 --> 00:23:20,355 You got a problem, or does the problem have you? 529 00:23:21,791 --> 00:23:24,011 You trying to cover for somebody? 530 00:23:24,054 --> 00:23:25,142 Not at all. 531 00:23:25,186 --> 00:23:26,970 Like, maybe you got used to life inside, 532 00:23:27,014 --> 00:23:28,189 had it wired pretty good. 533 00:23:28,232 --> 00:23:29,364 You're dead wrong. 534 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:30,931 I'm not covering for anybody. 535 00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:33,020 Right, and you have no idea who the shooter was 536 00:23:33,063 --> 00:23:34,848 in your own restaurant, with your own people around. 537 00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:36,284 Nobody saw nothing. 538 00:23:40,462 --> 00:23:42,638 Where was your boy when this happened? 539 00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:44,118 In the back. 540 00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:46,555 Who with?I don't know. 541 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:50,559 [sighs] I gave you the benefit of the doubt once. 542 00:23:50,603 --> 00:23:52,343 You owe me the truth. 543 00:23:54,389 --> 00:23:57,958 I paid my debt to the State of New York. 544 00:23:58,001 --> 00:24:00,003 20 years. 545 00:24:00,047 --> 00:24:03,790 I gave it 20 years of my life. 546 00:24:03,833 --> 00:24:06,445 I don't owe anybody anything else. 547 00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:09,665 Not good enough. 548 00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:10,971 Start over. 549 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,410 SANDI: That's Harry. 550 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,194 With my late husband David. 551 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:19,370 Two of them were thick as thieves. 552 00:24:19,414 --> 00:24:22,852 Drinking and gambling every night at the Old Bluff. 553 00:24:22,896 --> 00:24:24,854 Sandi, you said that you weren't friends with Harry, 554 00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,987 but he kept sending you money. 555 00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:27,988 Why? 556 00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:28,945 Oh, I don't know. 557 00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:30,338 Maybe he felt sorry for me 558 00:24:30,381 --> 00:24:32,514 because I had to raise my grandson on my own. 559 00:24:32,558 --> 00:24:35,125 The child has special needs. 560 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:36,692 He's smart. 561 00:24:36,736 --> 00:24:39,521 And he was doing well in the program Isent him to. 562 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,131 That school they had him in? 563 00:24:41,175 --> 00:24:43,264 Full of screamers and head bangers. 564 00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:45,484 How much was Harry sending? 565 00:24:45,527 --> 00:24:47,616 Are you gonna tell the IRS? 566 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:49,096 No. 567 00:24:49,139 --> 00:24:51,925 Never more than ten grand. 568 00:24:51,968 --> 00:24:53,927 Every few months. 569 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:56,059 Now the program says David can't come back 570 00:24:56,103 --> 00:24:58,018 until I pay the next bill. 571 00:24:58,061 --> 00:25:00,107 Sandi, I hate to ask you this, 572 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:03,066 but that's a lot of money for a guy that didn't have a job. 573 00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:06,156 Do you know anything about Harry's involvement 574 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,288 in the Benny Trust heist? 575 00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:10,944 That's where my husband worked. 576 00:25:10,987 --> 00:25:13,947 What did he do there? 577 00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:16,123 He was a guard. 578 00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:19,387 The guard who got killed in the robbery? 579 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:23,304 The bank got their money back from the insurance, 580 00:25:23,347 --> 00:25:25,785 and then went under before they paid our benefits 581 00:25:25,828 --> 00:25:27,351 like they promised. 582 00:25:27,395 --> 00:25:29,745 Harry was the only one looking out for us. 583 00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:32,008 Did you ever ask where he got the cash? 584 00:25:32,052 --> 00:25:33,270 No. 585 00:25:33,314 --> 00:25:35,708 But I knew something was eating him inside. 586 00:25:35,751 --> 00:25:37,405 And they always said 587 00:25:37,448 --> 00:25:39,755 the robbers must have had an inside tip. 588 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:41,757 You think Harry was the conduit, 589 00:25:41,801 --> 00:25:43,716 because he was drinking buddies with your husband? 590 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,544 He sure acted guilty around me. 591 00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:47,154 You think he got a cut afterward? 592 00:25:47,197 --> 00:25:49,199 I don't know. 593 00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:50,984 I needed the money. 594 00:25:51,027 --> 00:25:52,725 For my grandson. 595 00:25:54,117 --> 00:25:56,729 I guess you got a judgment about that, huh? 596 00:25:56,772 --> 00:25:59,819 I don't know what to think. 597 00:25:59,862 --> 00:26:02,952 So what happens now? 598 00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:08,001 Hey, Reagan. 599 00:26:08,044 --> 00:26:10,307 What the hell do you want? 600 00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:12,614 I heard you had my father here. 601 00:26:12,658 --> 00:26:14,616 Yeah. Well, unless you got something new to offer 602 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,009 that you held back on before, 603 00:26:16,052 --> 00:26:18,054 there's nothing you can do to help him now. 604 00:26:18,098 --> 00:26:19,099 Wait. 605 00:26:20,883 --> 00:26:23,190 I think you're gonna want to hear this. 606 00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:26,454 Okay. 607 00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,064 Come on. 608 00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:40,468 [metallic click] 609 00:26:40,511 --> 00:26:41,512 Whew. 610 00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:48,694 We're good to go? 611 00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:50,086 GPS is working. 612 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:52,132 We good with the warrant?Just in time. 613 00:26:52,175 --> 00:26:53,612 Judge says, "Kathy's her own worst enemy." 614 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,570 If she wasn't pushing this-- 615 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,572 a live video interview to drive up ratings-- 616 00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:01,228 we wouldn't have probable cause she was meeting with Jeffrey. 617 00:27:02,708 --> 00:27:04,579 There she is. 618 00:27:08,322 --> 00:27:10,193 Can't believe she's doing this. 619 00:27:10,237 --> 00:27:13,283 She was one of the best trial lawyers I ever worked with. 620 00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:16,373 One thing about Kathy, she was always more about 621 00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:18,288 the attention than the case. 622 00:27:19,725 --> 00:27:21,422 Let's go. 623 00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:23,163 Please, don't complain about the driving today. 624 00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:24,207 [engine starts] 625 00:27:27,254 --> 00:27:29,256 No promises. 626 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,435 My father's the strongest man I know. 627 00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:36,393 I could never be like him. 628 00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:37,481 Okay. 629 00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:39,179 He did 20 years in state prison, 630 00:27:39,222 --> 00:27:40,484 and he never complained about the food. 631 00:27:40,528 --> 00:27:42,312 After being in the restaurant business. 632 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:46,665 No, he... 633 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:49,189 he deserves to have his life back. 634 00:27:49,232 --> 00:27:50,538 He only just met his granddaughter. 635 00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:54,063 I'm sure this is all going someplace. 636 00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:56,196 When Alex Kalamogdartis 637 00:27:56,239 --> 00:27:58,241 came in the other night and started threatening him, 638 00:27:58,285 --> 00:27:59,721 I couldn't take it. 639 00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,897 So you're saying you were there during the argument. 640 00:28:01,941 --> 00:28:03,116 Yes, yes. 641 00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,378 I'm sorry that I lied before. 642 00:28:04,421 --> 00:28:06,206 Like I said, I'm not as strong as Papa. 643 00:28:06,249 --> 00:28:08,382 Okay, we've moved past that. 644 00:28:08,425 --> 00:28:11,428 So you heard Alex threaten your dad, then what did you do? 645 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:15,476 I went, I went and I got my cousin's gun 646 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:16,738 from under the cash register. 647 00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:18,392 And then what? 648 00:28:18,435 --> 00:28:21,177 And then I just started shooting. 649 00:28:23,223 --> 00:28:27,488 And shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting! 650 00:28:28,576 --> 00:28:30,273 After it was done, 651 00:28:30,317 --> 00:28:33,146 Papa took the gun and told me to keep my mouth shut. 652 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:36,149 Okay. I did it. 653 00:28:36,192 --> 00:28:37,541 Yeah. 654 00:28:37,585 --> 00:28:40,196 I'm gonna need you to write that all down, okay? 655 00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:47,160 My father's still got 656 00:28:47,203 --> 00:28:49,205 a few good years left. 657 00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:52,992 I can't let him go back to prison for something that I did. 658 00:29:00,086 --> 00:29:02,392 You want a lawyer? 659 00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:04,220 Now? Seriously? 660 00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:06,048 Yeah. It's my right. I didn't shoot the kid. 661 00:29:06,092 --> 00:29:07,789 You got no right to keep me here. 662 00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:08,834 You asked for me. 663 00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:10,749 And now you want a lawyer? 664 00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:15,710 It's done. 665 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:16,885 He confessed. 666 00:29:31,508 --> 00:29:33,249 [sighs] 667 00:29:33,293 --> 00:29:34,555 Full statement? 668 00:29:34,598 --> 00:29:37,123 Signed, sealed and delivered. 669 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:38,602 Good work. 670 00:29:38,646 --> 00:29:39,603 Stavros... [speaks Greek] 671 00:29:39,647 --> 00:29:40,691 In English. 672 00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:42,998 Papa, I'm sorry.Don't do this. 673 00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:45,087 STAVROS: I already did.NICK: No, you didn't. 674 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:46,610 I shot him, Papa. 675 00:29:46,654 --> 00:29:47,916 He didn't give me a choice. 676 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,875 Take him down to Central Booking. 677 00:29:49,918 --> 00:29:51,137 Yes, sir. Come on.Wait a minute. 678 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:52,442 Wait a minute! Wait a minute! 679 00:29:59,885 --> 00:30:01,887 [sighs] 680 00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:09,720 I don't think you're gonna let him do this, Nick. 681 00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:14,029 You're not a perfect man, but you love your family 682 00:30:14,073 --> 00:30:16,031 and you love your son. 683 00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:25,084 It's how it had to be, Frank. 684 00:30:25,127 --> 00:30:29,697 Otherwise, those people were never gonna let us be. 685 00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:31,873 Ready to make a statement? 686 00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:34,833 Yes, I am. 687 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:42,101 We got the cuffs on the wrong man. 688 00:30:53,068 --> 00:30:55,157 ♪ 689 00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:14,350 Nice ride. Smart. 690 00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:17,179 Jeffrey knew we'd be looking for him 691 00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:19,703 at the airfields, so he's all set to get away by land. 692 00:31:19,747 --> 00:31:22,793 Well, I guess looking back, I could've seen the signs. 693 00:31:22,837 --> 00:31:25,361 Beth was always a little flighty. 694 00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:27,494 That was part of the energy that drew me to her. 695 00:31:27,537 --> 00:31:28,712 She started disappearing for 696 00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:30,540 longer and longer periods of time. 697 00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:32,586 And then one night, she just didn't come back. 698 00:31:32,629 --> 00:31:33,761 [door opens] 699 00:31:34,631 --> 00:31:36,416 You two, sit down. 700 00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:39,027 And shut that off. 701 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:42,335 On your feet, Doc. Come on. 702 00:31:42,378 --> 00:31:45,207 Come on! 703 00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:47,209 Looks like this interview is over, Kathy. 704 00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:49,298 Jeffrey Durning, we have a warrant for your arrest. 705 00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:51,822 Wait, this is all wrong. 706 00:31:51,866 --> 00:31:54,260 We also have a warrant for yourarrest. 707 00:31:54,303 --> 00:31:55,652 For what? 708 00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:56,740 Hindering prosecution. 709 00:31:56,784 --> 00:31:58,525 You lied to us about where he was, 710 00:31:58,568 --> 00:32:00,179 and you're assisting a fugitive. 711 00:32:00,222 --> 00:32:01,484 Wait. 712 00:32:01,528 --> 00:32:03,356 There's something you need to see 713 00:32:03,399 --> 00:32:05,184 that changes this whole case. 714 00:32:05,227 --> 00:32:06,446 Oh, really? 715 00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:09,492 This... 716 00:32:09,536 --> 00:32:11,494 was taken in Caracas 717 00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,409 two days ago by a friend of Beth's. 718 00:32:14,628 --> 00:32:16,630 She's still alive. 719 00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:24,855 [groans] Hey. 720 00:32:24,899 --> 00:32:27,293 Hey. Put the brisket in the fridge. 721 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,469 I got us a bottle of wine; we're in business. 722 00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:30,600 Grandpa, 723 00:32:30,644 --> 00:32:32,951 do you remember the Benny Trust heist? 724 00:32:32,994 --> 00:32:34,517 Oh, sure I do. 725 00:32:34,561 --> 00:32:35,997 Happened when I was PC. 726 00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:37,999 We always heard that it was an inside job, 727 00:32:38,043 --> 00:32:39,522 but we could never prove it. 728 00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:41,742 Most of the thieves killed each other 729 00:32:41,785 --> 00:32:43,874 before they could spend the money. Why? 730 00:32:43,918 --> 00:32:45,964 Just a hypothetical, but what if I told you 731 00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:48,444 that I found some of the money? 732 00:32:48,488 --> 00:32:49,924 I'd say forget the brisket, 733 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,753 you're taking us to Peter Luger's for family dinner. 734 00:32:52,796 --> 00:32:54,102 [chuckles] 735 00:32:56,104 --> 00:32:58,933 Seriously, it's a closed case, isn't it? 736 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:03,024 No, the term is "not an active investigation." 737 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:04,504 Big difference. 738 00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:08,725 Let's just say a couple of partners 739 00:33:08,769 --> 00:33:11,554 stumble on a bundle of cash in a dead man's apartment. 740 00:33:11,598 --> 00:33:14,296 Well, if they take it for themselves, 741 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:18,518 they're out of a job and maybe on their way to prison. 742 00:33:18,561 --> 00:33:21,434 Let's just say though that they've made all the right calls 743 00:33:21,477 --> 00:33:23,218 and turns out nobody's looking for that money, 744 00:33:23,262 --> 00:33:25,568 but it's clear that the dead guy 745 00:33:25,612 --> 00:33:28,267 wanted to leave it to somebody who really needed it. 746 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,356 He died without leaving a will? 747 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:31,966 Yeah. 748 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,273 Well, then it goes to the public administrator. 749 00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:36,797 What if they just don't find all of it? 750 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,410 Well, then these partners have an interesting dilemma. 751 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,329 A few years before the heist, 752 00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:49,766 I was up in the Bronx for the Big Blackout. 753 00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:53,292 The looting was insane. 754 00:33:53,335 --> 00:33:56,077 We were locking up people left, right and center. 755 00:33:56,121 --> 00:33:59,733 Someone had broken the front window 756 00:33:59,776 --> 00:34:03,867 of a store that charged the most ridiculous prices. 757 00:34:03,911 --> 00:34:08,133 I saw a lady my age, with three little kids, 758 00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:10,700 carrying out a bag full of diapers and groceries. 759 00:34:12,441 --> 00:34:15,531 I looked her straight in the eye... 760 00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:17,142 and I let her go. 761 00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:20,493 I made a judgment call. 762 00:34:20,536 --> 00:34:24,279 Every good cop's got to be able to make one. 763 00:34:24,323 --> 00:34:27,326 Not that we're talking about anything real here. 764 00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:37,597 [video game beeping quietly] 765 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,946 You sure this is okay? 766 00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:41,253 The public administrators are already done. 767 00:34:41,296 --> 00:34:42,906 You're the closest thing to a family friend. 768 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:44,908 We're just giving you a chance to pick out 769 00:34:44,952 --> 00:34:47,128 some clothes for Harry, for the funeral. 770 00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:50,349 No one else is coming? 771 00:34:50,392 --> 00:34:52,394 He had no will, no heirs. 772 00:34:52,438 --> 00:34:54,614 Just the letter to you. 773 00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:55,963 So, we'll give you an hour. 774 00:34:56,006 --> 00:34:57,791 Whatever you leave behind goes to the landlady 775 00:34:57,834 --> 00:35:00,185 or the-the clean-out company. 776 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:02,883 Just... 777 00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:06,234 make sure you look everywhere-- the cupboards, the closets... 778 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:10,325 ...under the bed. 779 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:25,471 I'm still not sure about this. 780 00:35:25,514 --> 00:35:27,037 Public administrators got most of the cash 781 00:35:27,081 --> 00:35:28,343 that was just lying around. 782 00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:29,344 We both know there's more. 783 00:35:29,388 --> 00:35:31,564 And no one's looking for it. 784 00:35:31,607 --> 00:35:33,348 Sandi needs that money to keep her grandson 785 00:35:33,392 --> 00:35:34,567 in that special school. 786 00:35:34,610 --> 00:35:37,570 Just doesn't feel right. 787 00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:39,920 What if someone starts asking questions later? 788 00:35:39,963 --> 00:35:44,142 Guess you'll have to decide if you're gonna rat me out. 789 00:35:50,931 --> 00:35:55,153 I can't believe you had me arrested on felony charges. 790 00:35:55,196 --> 00:35:56,763 Well, you knew where Jeffrey Durning was 791 00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:59,418 and you chose to mislead us and protect him. 792 00:35:59,461 --> 00:36:01,420 The flaw in your argument 793 00:36:01,463 --> 00:36:03,030 is that there is no underlying crime. 794 00:36:03,073 --> 00:36:04,553 Really? 795 00:36:04,597 --> 00:36:06,338 I've given you proof. 796 00:36:06,381 --> 00:36:08,862 You mean that picture from Venezuela? 797 00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:11,560 It kind of blows the whole case out of the water, Anthony, 798 00:36:11,604 --> 00:36:13,214 doesn't it?One little problem. 799 00:36:13,258 --> 00:36:15,825 I just got off the phone with the guy in the photo. 800 00:36:15,869 --> 00:36:17,827 He's five-foot-six. 801 00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:19,612 Beth was five-foot-ten. 802 00:36:19,655 --> 00:36:22,658 And in the photo, she's looking up at him. 803 00:36:24,269 --> 00:36:26,271 How's a woman who's four inches taller 804 00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:27,968 appearing shorter? 805 00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:33,626 Obviously, it would be tough. 806 00:36:33,669 --> 00:36:35,584 I'd say. 807 00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:36,846 Doesn't mean I'm wrong about everything. 808 00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:38,674 You're just trying to neutralize me 809 00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:40,459 because you're afraid the former prosecutor 810 00:36:40,502 --> 00:36:42,548 is gonna make Jeffrey's defense a slam dunk. 811 00:36:42,591 --> 00:36:45,246 What about all the witnesses Jeffrey intimidated? 812 00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:47,248 Their stories didn't hold up. 813 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,816 Then why did Jeffrey go to Mindy's apartment the other day 814 00:36:49,859 --> 00:36:50,904 and threaten her? 815 00:36:54,995 --> 00:36:57,519 He's worried the truth will come out. 816 00:36:59,565 --> 00:37:01,741 I had no idea he'd done this. 817 00:37:01,784 --> 00:37:05,179 You let your ego get ahead of the facts in this case, 818 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:08,008 and you've been poisoning the jury pool with your podcast. 819 00:37:08,051 --> 00:37:10,402 I thought I had a subject who was innocent. 820 00:37:10,445 --> 00:37:11,794 Is it safe to say 821 00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:13,709 that you could've handled things differently? 822 00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:19,672 I'll give you what I have on Jeffrey from my files. 823 00:37:27,984 --> 00:37:30,073 Bless us, oh Lord, in these thy gifts, 824 00:37:30,117 --> 00:37:32,206 which we are about to receive from thy bounty 825 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,034 through Christ our Lord. Amen. 826 00:37:34,077 --> 00:37:35,427 ALL: Amen. 827 00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:37,037 Ah, the prodigal son. 828 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,865 Better late than never. 829 00:37:38,908 --> 00:37:40,127 What took you? 830 00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:41,607 I texted Erin I was running a little behind. 831 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:42,608 He did. 832 00:37:42,651 --> 00:37:44,523 Where were you? 833 00:37:44,566 --> 00:37:45,741 Uh, funeral. 834 00:37:45,785 --> 00:37:47,134 Whose? 835 00:37:47,177 --> 00:37:48,309 Just a guy. 836 00:37:48,353 --> 00:37:50,093 You know him well? 837 00:37:50,137 --> 00:37:51,225 Uh, no. 838 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:52,922 Actually didn't know him at all. 839 00:37:52,966 --> 00:37:54,272 Turns out, nobody really did. 840 00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:55,925 What's that mean? 841 00:37:55,969 --> 00:37:57,492 Means he barely came out of his house 842 00:37:57,536 --> 00:37:59,929 or spoke to anyone for 25 years, and passed away 843 00:37:59,973 --> 00:38:01,540 without anyone really wondering where he went. 844 00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:03,324 That may be one of the saddest things I've ever heard. 845 00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:04,717 How deep did you dig? 846 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,240 Didn't really dig, actually. 847 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,895 Just a few days sitting with his stuff and waiting for 848 00:38:08,938 --> 00:38:10,723 the public administrators to show. 849 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:13,116 Did he have something to hide, something he was hiding from? 850 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,509 No record. 851 00:38:14,553 --> 00:38:16,816 At least not under any of the names that we had. 852 00:38:16,859 --> 00:38:18,818 Well, maybe he never got caught; couldn't forgive himself. 853 00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:20,428 LINDA: Any more of this, 854 00:38:20,472 --> 00:38:22,778 and I'm gonna have to go back to church 855 00:38:22,822 --> 00:38:24,563 and pray for his poor soul.Right? 856 00:38:24,606 --> 00:38:25,999 So you actually went to the funeral 857 00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:27,305 for someone you never met? 858 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:29,742 Yeah. 859 00:38:29,785 --> 00:38:31,961 Ever done that before? 860 00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:33,833 Nope. Just felt like I should. 861 00:38:33,876 --> 00:38:34,877 That's it? 862 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:41,014 Yeah, kind of hard to explain. 863 00:38:41,057 --> 00:38:43,016 At least for me it is. 864 00:38:45,148 --> 00:38:47,412 Wow, you give this family half an opportunity, 865 00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:49,979 and the questions just don't stop. 866 00:38:50,023 --> 00:38:51,546 Sorry I brought it up. 867 00:38:52,591 --> 00:38:55,768 Nicky, boys, 868 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:58,510 you hear a lot of harsh stories at this table. 869 00:38:58,553 --> 00:38:59,946 I don't think they're harsh. 870 00:38:59,989 --> 00:39:01,339 Cool, maybe. 871 00:39:01,382 --> 00:39:02,731 Okay, ear of the beholder. 872 00:39:02,775 --> 00:39:05,604 But if there's one thing you need to take away 873 00:39:05,647 --> 00:39:08,215 from this table, I hope it's that you don't have to be 874 00:39:08,258 --> 00:39:10,870 Jamie's age, or Danny's or Erin's 875 00:39:10,913 --> 00:39:12,915 or mine or Pop's for that matter, 876 00:39:12,959 --> 00:39:16,354 to learn to show some grace where it's needed. 877 00:39:16,397 --> 00:39:19,400 To save some grace for strangers even, 878 00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:22,838 who find themselves without family or friends. 879 00:39:22,882 --> 00:39:26,364 Or whatever reason got them there. 880 00:39:27,452 --> 00:39:29,279 Will do. Me, too. 881 00:39:29,323 --> 00:39:30,846 I'll try. 882 00:39:32,021 --> 00:39:35,808 I'd like to think the reward is in the attempt. 883 00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:37,462 Well, the good news is, 884 00:39:37,505 --> 00:39:39,942 none of us is ever gonna end up alone. 885 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:44,860 Not while another one of us is still standing. 886 00:39:46,514 --> 00:39:48,081 And again, amen. 887 00:39:55,088 --> 00:39:56,698 Captioning sponsored by CBS 888 00:39:56,742 --> 00:39:57,786 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 63074

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