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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,367 --> 00:00:04,433 [piano music playing] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:07,367 --> 00:00:10,300 [woman] January 30, 1991. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,567 "Dear Diary. 6 00:00:13,667 --> 00:00:16,934 Mom was picked up today by two detectives. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,600 She has to stay at jail all night tonight. 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,266 Shanna Harper." 9 00:00:22,266 --> 00:00:27,033 School spirit turned to sinister desire this year in Texas. 10 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:29,166 [woman reporter 1] It was a case so bizarre that it captured 11 00:00:29,166 --> 00:00:31,367 national and worldwide attention. 12 00:00:31,367 --> 00:00:33,467 [male reporter] She's been dubbed the 'Pom-Pom Mom.' 13 00:00:33,467 --> 00:00:35,367 [woman reporter 2] ...the shocking unbelievable plot. 14 00:00:35,367 --> 00:00:38,066 A small-town mother so obsessed with her daughter's 15 00:00:38,066 --> 00:00:39,533 cheerleading chances 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,767 that she would resort to murder-for-hire 17 00:00:41,767 --> 00:00:45,133 to improve her daughter's odds of getting on the squad. 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,233 [Shanna] There's been a lot of negatives 19 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:50,066 surrounding the story of my mom. 20 00:00:50,066 --> 00:00:54,100 And... I'm tired of running from it. 21 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:57,567 [news anchor] The story of a crime that provided the plot for two TV movies. 22 00:00:57,567 --> 00:01:01,667 If wanting something good for your kids is greedy, 23 00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:03,567 then I guess they can label me as being greedy. 24 00:01:03,567 --> 00:01:06,433 Maybe sometimes people just wanna believe what they wanna believe. 25 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:07,867 And that's fine. 26 00:01:07,867 --> 00:01:11,233 I'm the only one who knows the full story about my mom. 27 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:14,467 [recording playing] 28 00:01:14,467 --> 00:01:16,767 [Shanna] I've carried the secret around for too long. 29 00:01:16,767 --> 00:01:18,367 And it nearly killed me. 30 00:01:18,367 --> 00:01:20,533 [news anchor] Today, she decided it was time 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,934 for the public to hear her side of the story. 32 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:24,467 My name is Shanna. 33 00:01:24,467 --> 00:01:27,734 And I am the daughter of Wanda Holloway, 34 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,333 the notorious Pom Pom Mom. 35 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,500 And I'm going to tell you the truth about what happened for the first time. 36 00:01:35,967 --> 00:01:39,700 [upbeat music playing] 37 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,834 [Mimi] Texas is this idea of individualism. 38 00:02:20,467 --> 00:02:23,433 I think it's still a place where people think 39 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:25,333 they can make their own rules 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,767 and want to make their own rules. 41 00:02:26,767 --> 00:02:30,300 So Wanda Holloway is an example of that. 42 00:02:32,467 --> 00:02:34,734 [Anne] I work for a national magazine 43 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,433 and this case dropped in January of 1991, 44 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:41,767 that kind of blew everybody's mind. 45 00:02:41,767 --> 00:02:44,567 It became an instant national sensation. 46 00:02:44,567 --> 00:02:47,567 And, of course, I was instructed to get out there 47 00:02:47,567 --> 00:02:49,233 and see what I could find out about it. 48 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:54,567 [Carolyn] As a reporter, we had big murders. 49 00:02:54,567 --> 00:02:58,100 '91, '92, two young girls were killed, 50 00:02:58,100 --> 00:02:59,266 and I covered that, 51 00:02:59,266 --> 00:03:03,767 by a man who was a neighbor and, um, worked as a clown. 52 00:03:03,767 --> 00:03:08,166 But when it goes and-- If you look at that crazy category, 53 00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:10,500 that I ain't gonna never forget that one, 54 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,000 Wanda Holloway. 55 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,333 Houston was, as it always is, in the process of this constant change. 56 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,867 And so I was really interested in, you know, driving a few miles south 57 00:03:23,867 --> 00:03:26,667 and coming up 58 00:03:26,667 --> 00:03:28,667 on what was really then the heart of Houston. 59 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:32,233 Which was, you know, again, a blue-collar town, 60 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:36,066 church-going people, football still mattered. 61 00:03:36,066 --> 00:03:39,133 [Anne] I, personally, didn't realize how provincial 62 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,567 a suburb of Houston could have been. 63 00:03:41,567 --> 00:03:44,100 A lot of the people there grew up there. 64 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:45,266 Married there. 65 00:03:45,266 --> 00:03:48,100 Never left. Their parents live nearby. 66 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:51,000 Because of that, it didn't have a lot of diversity to offer 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,634 in terms of entertainment and aspirational goals. 68 00:03:55,967 --> 00:03:58,166 [Mimi] It was the Texas that 69 00:03:58,166 --> 00:04:01,700 everybody wanted to believe existed. 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,033 And football cheerleaders, 71 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:08,367 those are archetypal characters here. 72 00:04:08,367 --> 00:04:12,667 [slow instrumental music playing] 73 00:04:12,667 --> 00:04:16,233 [Shanna] Cheerleading was, for me, it was just something that 74 00:04:16,967 --> 00:04:20,400 I was prepped to do from the time 75 00:04:20,900 --> 00:04:22,000 I was, you know, five. 76 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:26,200 When I was growing up, 77 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,333 I was a spitfire. 78 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,834 I was very independent. 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:33,867 A leader. 80 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:37,967 I was solely focused on my interests, 81 00:04:37,967 --> 00:04:40,266 whether it was tap, ballet, 82 00:04:40,266 --> 00:04:42,000 painting, piano, 83 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:43,700 modeling. 84 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:46,400 I just remember my mom, 85 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,867 she wanted to know if I wanted to be a cheerleader, 86 00:04:48,867 --> 00:04:51,533 and I didn't even-- I was, you know, what is that? 87 00:04:52,567 --> 00:04:55,333 And she's like, you know, they wear the little outfits, 88 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,634 they cheer for the guys that are playing football, 89 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:59,767 you have, you know, the pom-poms. 90 00:04:59,767 --> 00:05:02,934 And I thought, "Yeah, that's cool," you know? 91 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,600 "Sure. Let's do that." 92 00:05:06,266 --> 00:05:07,967 And I guess as I got older, 93 00:05:07,967 --> 00:05:09,767 it was just 94 00:05:09,767 --> 00:05:12,100 something that was gonna happen. 95 00:05:14,467 --> 00:05:18,266 When I was growing up, and certainly in the 1990s still, 96 00:05:18,266 --> 00:05:20,967 the boys' achievement would be to become the quarterback 97 00:05:20,967 --> 00:05:25,133 or the star football player, that could lead to college scholarships and so forth. 98 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,033 But even in the 1990s, 99 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:29,100 girls could do the same through cheerleading. 100 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:32,233 ♪♪ If I were you I'd take precaution ♪ 101 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:36,367 ♪♪ Before I step To meet a fly girl ♪ 102 00:05:36,367 --> 00:05:38,567 [Carolyn] If you wanted to do something 103 00:05:38,567 --> 00:05:43,033 that indicated that you were popular, 104 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:46,066 your standard of beauty was accepted, 105 00:05:46,066 --> 00:05:47,734 you become a cheerleader. 106 00:05:52,467 --> 00:05:54,266 For a long time, 107 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:59,967 there was no, you know, financial help or interest in women's sports. 108 00:05:59,967 --> 00:06:03,233 So, what could women do? They could cheerlead. 109 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,533 And you attached yourself to the quarterback 110 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,300 'cause he was the most powerful guy in town. 111 00:06:15,867 --> 00:06:18,834 So the way that women exercised their power 112 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:21,000 was through physical beauty. 113 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,367 And the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders 114 00:06:23,367 --> 00:06:24,867 were the apotheosis 115 00:06:24,867 --> 00:06:28,133 of Texas beauty in that time. 116 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:32,700 ♪♪ Poison ♪ 117 00:06:33,266 --> 00:06:36,634 My mom, I think for her, 118 00:06:37,367 --> 00:06:38,500 it was... 119 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,266 the ticket to being somebody. 120 00:06:43,266 --> 00:06:44,934 [lively piano music playing] 121 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,467 [male anchor] Tell me about yourself. Describe yourself. 122 00:06:47,467 --> 00:06:51,367 Well, I have always, I feel, to be very low-keyed. 123 00:06:51,367 --> 00:06:54,133 I don't see myself as being a high-profile person. 124 00:06:54,967 --> 00:06:57,834 I would say that she's very tightly wound. 125 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:01,767 That's a phrase a former boss of mine used to use, he'd say, 126 00:07:01,767 --> 00:07:04,166 "Wound-up quarter turns too tight." 127 00:07:04,166 --> 00:07:07,767 And definitely Wanda gave that impression, from her hair and make-up, 128 00:07:07,767 --> 00:07:09,867 to the way that she carried herself. 129 00:07:09,867 --> 00:07:11,367 She just looked uptight. 130 00:07:11,367 --> 00:07:13,467 I'm active in my church. 131 00:07:13,467 --> 00:07:17,934 Um, I've always taken a very active part in my children's lives. 132 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,700 I mean, that's what parents are for. 133 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,467 She was a striver. 134 00:07:21,467 --> 00:07:26,767 And I think a lot of people in Channelview were strivers. 135 00:07:26,767 --> 00:07:29,967 It goes back to the idea of Texans, 136 00:07:29,967 --> 00:07:32,734 at that time and before, 137 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,500 really not wanting to be considered hicks. 138 00:07:36,367 --> 00:07:38,467 So what you did was, you read the... 139 00:07:38,467 --> 00:07:41,266 you know, you read Glamour and Mademoiselle and Vogue 140 00:07:41,266 --> 00:07:42,767 and then you figured it out. 141 00:07:42,767 --> 00:07:46,700 You know, how you would dress and look, to keep up. 142 00:07:49,567 --> 00:07:52,433 [Shanna] She was raised Missionary Baptist. 143 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,233 You don't have sex before marriage. 144 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:00,767 You don't... swim with other sexes. 145 00:08:00,767 --> 00:08:02,066 You know, you go to church, 146 00:08:02,066 --> 00:08:06,233 usually Sunday mornings, Sunday night, Wednesdays. 147 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:08,734 You know, she couldn't just go do whatever she wanted to do. 148 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,266 She had rules to follow. 149 00:08:11,266 --> 00:08:14,266 [Mimi] Somebody like Wanda, your nose would be pressed against the glass 150 00:08:14,266 --> 00:08:18,133 'cause other people get to go to dances and other people get to drink 151 00:08:18,367 --> 00:08:20,467 and have fun. 152 00:08:20,467 --> 00:08:26,834 And fun was not a part of the Baptist sort of idea. 153 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,500 [Larry] How long you know Wanda? 154 00:08:29,867 --> 00:08:30,934 All our lives. 155 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:32,667 We divorced, 156 00:08:32,667 --> 00:08:36,467 uh, somewhere around '79 or 1980. 157 00:08:36,467 --> 00:08:38,367 But, uh, we have never went to court 158 00:08:38,367 --> 00:08:40,367 and asked for custody of those children. 159 00:08:40,367 --> 00:08:43,133 So she's always had custody, you had visitation? 160 00:08:43,867 --> 00:08:47,567 I don't have any stories 161 00:08:47,567 --> 00:08:50,834 to tell you that I've ever been told where, 162 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:53,133 you know, there were just good times with my mom and my dad. 163 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:55,367 And I have maybe 164 00:08:55,367 --> 00:08:56,667 a handful of pictures 165 00:08:56,667 --> 00:09:00,200 of me and my mom and my dad together. 166 00:09:00,467 --> 00:09:02,800 So, for me, 167 00:09:03,467 --> 00:09:05,066 they were always divorced. 168 00:09:05,066 --> 00:09:08,667 [somber instrumental music playing] 169 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:13,166 [Anne] Wanda started dating Tony Harper at the age of 16, I believe, 170 00:09:13,166 --> 00:09:15,233 when she was a sophomore in high school. 171 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:16,634 He was a senior. 172 00:09:16,634 --> 00:09:19,634 They married a week after she graduated from high school. 173 00:09:20,667 --> 00:09:23,567 And according to-- I remember Tony's mother telling me that 174 00:09:23,567 --> 00:09:26,166 they would exchange vicious barbs with each other, 175 00:09:26,166 --> 00:09:29,667 put each other down about their physical defects and so forth. 176 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:33,467 And, you know, the marriage didn't last too long. 177 00:09:33,467 --> 00:09:38,667 [Shanna] My mom had certain expectations of what marriage brings. 178 00:09:38,667 --> 00:09:41,834 And so, when she and my dad got together, 179 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,500 and things weren't as she anticipated, 180 00:09:47,567 --> 00:09:50,500 it made things disappointing? 181 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:55,834 What they thought marriage was, they weren't on the same page. 182 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:58,634 And then, of course, there was infidelity. 183 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:02,834 And I think it just became kind of combustible. 184 00:10:05,166 --> 00:10:07,166 Apparently, she did not like having sex. 185 00:10:07,166 --> 00:10:09,834 Only did it when she had to, so to speak. 186 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:12,100 And he liked it and wanted more, 187 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:15,266 so he sought it outside the marriage. 188 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:17,567 [Shanna] You know, he started making good money, 189 00:10:17,567 --> 00:10:22,333 and it gave him a sense of authority? 190 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,800 An opinion of himself that he knows best. 191 00:10:26,467 --> 00:10:29,834 I think she learned from him 192 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:33,834 how to manipulate situations, 193 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:37,734 how to... get what you want. 194 00:10:38,567 --> 00:10:40,133 At whatever cost. 195 00:10:41,266 --> 00:10:43,867 [Anne] They, you know, stuck it out for eight years anyway. 196 00:10:43,867 --> 00:10:47,600 But, um, their marriage came to an end by May of 1980. 197 00:10:49,166 --> 00:10:53,600 [Shanna] I do think my perception of him was tainted. 198 00:10:54,767 --> 00:10:57,634 And I think my perception of her was tainted 199 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:01,934 'cause of their desire to hurt each other 200 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,100 any chance that they could. 201 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:06,166 And if that meant doing it in front of the kids, 202 00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:08,133 then, you know, you did it in front of the kids. 203 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:12,000 She learned to fight dirty from my dad. 204 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,900 And that's what caused this whole mess. 205 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:19,033 [Anne] When she had her daughter Shanna, 206 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:22,166 everyone who knows her says that she definitely changed 207 00:11:22,166 --> 00:11:24,900 and all of her energies were focused on that little girl. 208 00:11:26,467 --> 00:11:31,634 [Shanna] My mom was pretty much my world. 209 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:36,233 Um, she made sure that we were fed and clothed 210 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:38,133 and had a roof over our head. 211 00:11:38,867 --> 00:11:42,100 She just... made things run. 212 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:45,233 And I didn't prefer being with my dad. 213 00:11:46,266 --> 00:11:49,567 Because he didn't take care of me the same way my mom did. 214 00:11:49,567 --> 00:11:54,000 You know, he didn't make sure breakfast, lunch and dinner was served. 215 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,266 So I liked the care that my mom provided more. 216 00:11:59,266 --> 00:12:01,367 [Anne] From the time the child was an infant, 217 00:12:01,367 --> 00:12:04,634 Wanda devoted a lot of attention to dressing her. 218 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:07,433 And apparently, she enrolled her in gymnastics 219 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:10,834 and cheerleading schools as early as three years old. 220 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:12,467 So that she would be ready 221 00:12:12,467 --> 00:12:15,133 for what her mother planned for her future. 222 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,433 It was always, "Go, go, go!" "Go, go, go!" 223 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,800 [upbeat music playing] 224 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:32,133 [Shanna] It started out with, like, ballet, tap, jazz. 225 00:12:34,166 --> 00:12:36,433 Piano and then art lessons. 226 00:12:38,367 --> 00:12:41,834 Cheer and gymnastics probably three times a week. 227 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:45,467 Just constantly had stuff to do. 228 00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:54,066 ♪♪ I'm past the point Of no return ♪ 229 00:12:54,066 --> 00:12:58,233 [Anne] It seemed obvious to me that she was living through the child. 230 00:12:59,066 --> 00:13:00,634 Even at the house, 231 00:13:00,634 --> 00:13:04,166 they'd converted the garage into a little cheerleading studio of sorts. 232 00:13:04,166 --> 00:13:06,367 And Shanna was made, when she'd come home from school, 233 00:13:06,367 --> 00:13:10,133 to go directly into that area to practice 234 00:13:10,467 --> 00:13:11,934 the cheer routine. 235 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,634 ♪♪ I'm past the point Of no return ♪ 236 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:18,667 I don't think there was near as much emphasis on her school work. 237 00:13:18,667 --> 00:13:20,767 It was all about cheer, cheer, cheer. 238 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:24,867 ♪♪ I'm past the point Of no return ♪ 239 00:13:24,867 --> 00:13:26,934 [static noise] 240 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,900 I think people talking about 241 00:13:31,266 --> 00:13:33,834 her trying to live vicariously through me, 242 00:13:35,066 --> 00:13:38,333 I've never really bought into that. 243 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,166 I really believed she wanted what was best for me. 244 00:13:41,166 --> 00:13:45,667 And this was just the, the path to take 245 00:13:45,667 --> 00:13:49,567 to, to open doors and to give me opportunities 246 00:13:49,567 --> 00:13:53,867 that she didn't get. 247 00:13:53,867 --> 00:13:59,033 [Carolyn] I don't think it's unusual for some moms back then to think, 248 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:03,333 if I can just get my daughter in the right place, in the right group, 249 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,033 she'll find the right man 250 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:07,400 who will help her have a great life. 251 00:14:07,967 --> 00:14:11,033 [slow instrumental music playing] 252 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:12,867 [Anne] Wanda wasn't the only mother in Channelview 253 00:14:12,867 --> 00:14:15,867 who wanted her daughter to be the best. 254 00:14:15,867 --> 00:14:19,734 When Inside Edition did a profile on Amber Heath and her mother Verna, 255 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,567 it was clear both girls were pushed to excel from a very young age. 256 00:14:23,567 --> 00:14:27,000 [anchor] Some might call Amber Heath a junior superstar. 257 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,867 [upbeat music playing] 258 00:14:28,867 --> 00:14:32,333 An award-winning gymnast and baton twirler from the age of three, 259 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,033 her home is studded with trophies more than she can count. 260 00:14:36,567 --> 00:14:39,233 [dramatic music playing] 261 00:14:42,567 --> 00:14:45,667 I started going to a private school. 262 00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:48,400 And that's where I met Amber 263 00:14:48,767 --> 00:14:51,433 if I'm not mistaken. 264 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:54,100 Um, I think we were in first grade together. 265 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,000 And I somehow realized that she lived 266 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:00,600 on the street 267 00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:03,400 that was connected to mine. 268 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:08,100 And we were so excited 'cause we were so close to each other. 269 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:09,333 You know, like, how cool is that? 270 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,033 Like, we could spend the night all the time. 271 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:12,700 Like, we're just right here. 272 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:18,266 We were best friends. She came over to my dad's for the weekend. 273 00:15:18,266 --> 00:15:21,467 She'd come over to our house, I'd go over to their house. 274 00:15:21,467 --> 00:15:25,734 And her brother was my first... crush. 275 00:15:29,166 --> 00:15:31,333 So this was my house. 276 00:15:32,066 --> 00:15:35,867 Those windows go to the garage. 277 00:15:35,867 --> 00:15:38,400 My mom had it landscaped beautifully. 278 00:15:39,367 --> 00:15:41,300 She had a great yard. 279 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:45,300 [turn indicator beeping] 280 00:15:47,467 --> 00:15:51,500 And then that's, that was, um, Verna and Amber's house there. 281 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,266 My mom and Verna were friends at one time 282 00:15:57,266 --> 00:16:00,533 and Verna actually helped my mom because she was a single mom 283 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,166 and she needed help getting us to school. 284 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:05,166 So, being that Verna lived around the corner, 285 00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:08,734 she would pick us up, take us to school in the mornings. 286 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:14,700 I remember Verna being... nice. 287 00:16:15,467 --> 00:16:17,667 Just normal. Just a mom. 288 00:16:17,667 --> 00:16:19,600 She must have been tough on Amber 289 00:16:20,266 --> 00:16:22,333 to a degree because 290 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,634 Amber and I had a conversation once 291 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,300 and she, she told me that she wished 292 00:16:29,266 --> 00:16:30,734 my mom was her mom. 293 00:16:31,367 --> 00:16:33,367 And I remember being surprised, like, 294 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:36,867 "What's wrong with your mom?" I was like, "Okay, I'll take your mom then." 295 00:16:36,867 --> 00:16:40,967 Maybe I felt some interest that my mom had in, in Amber. 296 00:16:40,967 --> 00:16:43,400 Maybe I felt some kind of... 297 00:16:44,467 --> 00:16:47,567 unknown threat. 298 00:16:47,567 --> 00:16:51,367 Um, you know, maybe, with all the trophies 299 00:16:51,367 --> 00:16:54,900 and all that stuff that I know impressed my mom. 300 00:16:56,767 --> 00:16:58,166 Maybe I was picking up on things 301 00:16:58,166 --> 00:17:01,000 I didn't realize I was picking up on at the time. 302 00:17:02,166 --> 00:17:04,800 [school bell ringing] 303 00:17:05,767 --> 00:17:08,367 The first year that Shanna tried out for cheerleader 304 00:17:08,367 --> 00:17:10,333 was the spring of 1989. 305 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,166 At that point, she was in the sixth grade at the local public school 306 00:17:14,166 --> 00:17:16,934 because all the cheerleaders at the middle school 307 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,467 were going to be drawn from the girls that went to the public schools 308 00:17:20,467 --> 00:17:22,867 that were feeder schools. 309 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:25,634 [Amy] Shanna and I both decided to leave Channelview Christian School 310 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:27,600 at the same time, for different reasons. 311 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,767 She went to Alice Johnson. 312 00:17:29,767 --> 00:17:35,033 And, uh, her intention in doing that was because at the time, 313 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:40,033 Alice Johnson had a rule that you needed to go to the school in sixth grade 314 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:42,567 to qualify to try out for seventh grade cheerleading. 315 00:17:42,567 --> 00:17:46,333 And so, Shanna followed the rules and she went on. 316 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,133 But Amber stayed at Channelview Christian School. 317 00:17:50,467 --> 00:17:53,266 [Anne] Amber Heath had been attending a private school, 318 00:17:53,266 --> 00:17:56,367 was technically ineligible to try out for cheerleader. 319 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:59,333 And Wanda felt sure that Shanna would be qualified 320 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,567 head and shoulders above the other girls, 321 00:18:01,567 --> 00:18:04,300 and would undoubtedly be elected. 322 00:18:06,367 --> 00:18:11,667 [Shanna] So I go to the school and it's time to do try-outs. 323 00:18:11,667 --> 00:18:15,600 And as we're leaving, Verna and Amber come. 324 00:18:16,066 --> 00:18:17,900 And I remember my mom 325 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,867 having a negative reaction to that. 326 00:18:21,867 --> 00:18:23,634 And I think she was very frustrated 327 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:24,967 that they were there in the first place, like, 328 00:18:24,967 --> 00:18:27,834 "Why are you here? Because you don't even go to this school." 329 00:18:28,967 --> 00:18:31,166 [Anne] Verna Heath, Amber's mother, 330 00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:34,333 had gone to the school board unbeknownst to Wanda Holloway, 331 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,667 and asked them if Amber could participate 332 00:18:37,667 --> 00:18:38,867 in the try-outs for cheerleader 333 00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:41,667 even though she was not technically enrolled 334 00:18:41,667 --> 00:18:44,467 in a Channelview public school at the time. 335 00:18:44,467 --> 00:18:46,300 And the school board said yes. 336 00:18:47,467 --> 00:18:50,667 So, here we go to the try-outs. 337 00:18:50,667 --> 00:18:54,333 And Shanna, she was beat out by Amber Heath. 338 00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:58,400 [Shanna] I missed it by one. 339 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,166 Because they allowed Amber to come over 340 00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:05,567 from a different private school 341 00:19:05,567 --> 00:19:09,233 and try out, even though she wasn't even a part of our district at the time. 342 00:19:10,767 --> 00:19:14,700 So had she not tried out, I would have been number two. 343 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,000 That didn't happen. 344 00:19:18,266 --> 00:19:21,166 Since my mom felt like they didn't play fair, 345 00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:23,233 she decided not to play fair, either. 346 00:19:25,767 --> 00:19:29,300 [slow instrumental music playing] 347 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,233 My least favorite activity was probably cheer. 348 00:19:39,367 --> 00:19:42,600 I didn't... see the point in it. 349 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,567 Just doing jumps on the side of the field, 350 00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:50,533 and trying to get people interested in football 351 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,700 just, like, is that necessary? 352 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,367 And I-- And I couldn't have even told you anything about football. 353 00:20:01,367 --> 00:20:03,834 I couldn't have even told you what we were cheering for. 354 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:05,867 Like, I had no idea. 355 00:20:05,867 --> 00:20:09,500 Defense, offense, I wouldn't have known what was going on. 356 00:20:11,367 --> 00:20:14,867 The thought of having to get up in front of judges, 357 00:20:14,867 --> 00:20:18,567 I think it would send me into, like, little panic attacks. 358 00:20:18,567 --> 00:20:22,066 But I didn't realize I was having panic attacks at the time. 359 00:20:22,066 --> 00:20:24,700 Just kind of a feeling of dread. 360 00:20:26,567 --> 00:20:30,400 So I remember going to practice. 361 00:20:32,367 --> 00:20:36,867 I made a comment that I really just didn't wanna do this anymore. 362 00:20:36,867 --> 00:20:40,634 You know, I'm over it. Like, it's played itself out, basically. 363 00:20:41,867 --> 00:20:43,000 And she... 364 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:46,000 wasn't having that. 365 00:20:47,467 --> 00:20:51,767 She, you know, we put too much time, effort and energy 366 00:20:51,767 --> 00:20:55,133 and, um, made too many sacrifices 367 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,233 to stop now, like, you're too far in it, that's not happening. 368 00:21:00,667 --> 00:21:03,834 And then you know, people say stage mom, and maybe that's... 369 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:06,834 what she was doing. 370 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:10,867 I mean, I kind of feel like she would watch Verna Heath 371 00:21:10,867 --> 00:21:14,600 and maybe she was just trying to be like her? 372 00:21:15,567 --> 00:21:17,266 I remember just thinking, like, 373 00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:19,600 "If you want to act like that, you get out here and do it." 374 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:26,834 [upbeat music playing] 375 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,266 [Shanna] The next year, we felt like the odds were better 376 00:21:33,266 --> 00:21:37,500 because there were more spots available to make the team. 377 00:21:39,367 --> 00:21:41,767 [Anne] In order to be selected to be a competitor 378 00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:43,266 in the cheerleading election, 379 00:21:43,266 --> 00:21:46,867 you had to be screened by a team of college cheerleaders. 380 00:21:46,867 --> 00:21:50,433 So Shanna was selected by that committee to be a candidate. 381 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,667 [Shanna] If you made it past the judges, you tried out in front of the student body. 382 00:21:56,667 --> 00:21:58,767 And then, the students would get to vote 383 00:21:58,767 --> 00:22:01,300 for who they liked the best. 384 00:22:02,567 --> 00:22:04,333 [Anne] During the campaign season, 385 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,867 the school board made a new rule that you couldn't give out candy 386 00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:10,266 or any kind of enticement like that, 387 00:22:10,266 --> 00:22:13,867 monetary rewards, to potential voters, 388 00:22:13,867 --> 00:22:15,433 i.e., students at the school. 389 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:20,166 Shanna's mother knew this was coming around. 390 00:22:20,166 --> 00:22:21,834 She was getting a jump on it. 391 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:24,934 She got these rulers made that said "Vote for Shanna." 392 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,867 And then, you can't use anything that's printed on. 393 00:22:28,867 --> 00:22:32,800 And her argument is "I already bought this," and they said, "Oh, well." 394 00:22:36,166 --> 00:22:38,467 [Anne] The night before the election, 395 00:22:38,467 --> 00:22:42,266 Wanda needed to make some little voting promotion signs. 396 00:22:42,266 --> 00:22:45,867 I think she had some signs shaped like a megaphone made out of cardboard 397 00:22:45,867 --> 00:22:47,734 that said "Shanna" on them. 398 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,767 But she didn't have any sticks. 399 00:22:49,767 --> 00:22:54,567 So Wanda decided to use the rulers that had Shanna's name printed on them 400 00:22:54,567 --> 00:22:56,834 to affix to the sign. 401 00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:59,100 So these people are walking around holding a sign 402 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:02,400 that says "Vote Shanna" and they're passing out stuff 403 00:23:02,867 --> 00:23:04,400 to help me campaign. 404 00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:09,100 And... one of those 405 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,533 rulers with the megaphone got taken up. 406 00:23:14,266 --> 00:23:16,400 And as a result, I got disqualified. 407 00:23:18,767 --> 00:23:22,500 I got called out of class to go to the office. 408 00:23:23,767 --> 00:23:25,500 My mom was sitting there. 409 00:23:26,967 --> 00:23:28,367 They sat me down. 410 00:23:28,367 --> 00:23:32,100 And basically explained the rules, 411 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:35,033 I guess, of campaign materials. 412 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:38,567 And said because we passed out the ruler, 413 00:23:38,567 --> 00:23:40,700 that they were gonna have to disqualify me. 414 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,333 I was so agitated. 415 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,367 Not so much for myself. More for my mom, to be honest with you. 416 00:23:48,367 --> 00:23:53,533 'Cause she had put a lot of work into making me successful. 417 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:56,600 That hurt me that, that she was hurt. 418 00:23:57,867 --> 00:24:01,166 And I just wanted to take the stuff that was on his desk 419 00:24:01,166 --> 00:24:03,300 and just like... [imitates swishing] 420 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,266 I just wanted to just yell in his face 421 00:24:07,266 --> 00:24:08,734 like, "What the hell is wrong with y'all?" 422 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,600 You know? Like, it's a [bleep] ruler. 423 00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:18,367 But I wasn't... that kid. 424 00:24:18,367 --> 00:24:22,233 [slow instrumental music playing] 425 00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:29,467 Then I went to the bathroom. 426 00:24:29,467 --> 00:24:32,934 I cried in the stall for my mom. 427 00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:38,433 Part of me was relieved. 428 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:41,266 Uh, part of me was really upset because 429 00:24:41,266 --> 00:24:44,433 we had put a lot of effort and energy and work 430 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:47,233 into doing this, and again it fails. 431 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:53,567 [Anne] I'm not sure who blew the whistle on it. 432 00:24:53,567 --> 00:24:55,133 It might have been Verna Heath. 433 00:24:55,867 --> 00:24:58,667 But Shanna, she took it well. 434 00:24:58,667 --> 00:25:01,567 But Wanda did not take it so well. 435 00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:03,200 She had a bit of a meltdown. 436 00:25:04,767 --> 00:25:09,166 [Shanna] I think all of that played into my mom 437 00:25:09,166 --> 00:25:13,000 feeling bullied by Verna Heath. 438 00:25:13,567 --> 00:25:15,700 And the school system in general. 439 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:25,066 [Anne] So after this disappointment with Shanna's disqualification, 440 00:25:25,066 --> 00:25:28,367 Wanda, she began saying it was all Verna Heath's fault. 441 00:25:28,367 --> 00:25:29,834 All Amber Heath-- 442 00:25:29,834 --> 00:25:32,767 If that little Amber Heath hadn't been allowed to run in the first place, 443 00:25:32,767 --> 00:25:34,266 the previous year, 444 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:35,533 she'd been disqualified, 445 00:25:35,533 --> 00:25:38,266 she should've been disqualified because she wasn't a school... 446 00:25:38,266 --> 00:25:40,667 a public school student. 447 00:25:40,667 --> 00:25:43,066 You know, her-- And it just started rolling. 448 00:25:43,066 --> 00:25:44,367 She told her in-laws. 449 00:25:44,367 --> 00:25:46,767 She told her friends. She told her neighbors. 450 00:25:46,767 --> 00:25:48,133 Anybody who'd listen. 451 00:25:48,667 --> 00:25:51,166 She has a tendency 452 00:25:51,166 --> 00:25:53,233 to, to speak before thinking. 453 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,634 But in my recollections, 454 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,467 it wasn't always just about Verna and Amber. 455 00:25:58,467 --> 00:26:01,533 It was the school system. 456 00:26:02,567 --> 00:26:05,734 Um, the cheer sponsors. 457 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,033 Like, it was, like, political. 458 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,367 Like everybody was a part of it. 459 00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:14,233 It wasn't just... Amber and Verna, 460 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,166 although Verna did say in interviews that 461 00:26:16,166 --> 00:26:19,500 she specifically felt my mom's negativity towards Amber. 462 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,667 [Verna] Yes, there was tension. 463 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:23,767 She would watch Amber with her arms folded 464 00:26:23,767 --> 00:26:26,467 and comment, "Oh, well, she's going too fast." 465 00:26:26,467 --> 00:26:28,767 [Shanna] But as far as I know, they never talked about it. 466 00:26:28,767 --> 00:26:32,166 Did you ever think about having a conversation with Wanda? 467 00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:35,033 I did not feel like confronting her. 468 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,133 It was trivial to me. 469 00:26:38,367 --> 00:26:42,300 [serious music playing] 470 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,233 [Shanna] I came home from school that day. 471 00:26:46,467 --> 00:26:50,867 and I believe Mom had to go run some errands. 472 00:26:50,867 --> 00:26:54,300 And she wanted me to practice while she was out. 473 00:26:57,367 --> 00:27:00,600 So I changed, started practicing. 474 00:27:01,367 --> 00:27:04,667 I noticed a car was parked 475 00:27:04,667 --> 00:27:06,900 diagonally across the way. 476 00:27:10,166 --> 00:27:14,367 I noticed what I thought was two men 477 00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:16,333 sitting in the car. 478 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,100 And they were noticing me. 479 00:27:18,667 --> 00:27:20,100 And it was awkward. 480 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:25,600 And I remember thinking, 481 00:27:26,567 --> 00:27:28,066 "Maybe I should go inside," you know. 482 00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:31,433 This would be a good excuse to go inside and not be practicing right now. 483 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:33,300 Because maybe they're gonna kidnap me. 484 00:27:35,367 --> 00:27:37,133 And then, when Mom got home, 485 00:27:37,767 --> 00:27:41,233 I heard people talking in the kitchen. 486 00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:44,433 It was the two men from the car I had noticed outside. 487 00:27:44,767 --> 00:27:46,200 They were police. 488 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,734 And then, that was the last I saw her 489 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,133 until... until she came home. 490 00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,767 The state had filed charges against her 491 00:27:59,767 --> 00:28:02,834 for solicitation of capital murder. 492 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,567 Seeking to hire a hitman to, uh, to kill 493 00:28:06,567 --> 00:28:12,100 her daughter's cheerleading rival's mother. 494 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,567 [camera shutter clicks] 495 00:28:14,567 --> 00:28:17,100 [Troy] And it began at that point. 496 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:21,634 [guitar music playing] 497 00:28:21,634 --> 00:28:24,233 [news anchor 1] Mrs. Holloway's former brother-in-law, Terry Harper, 498 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,100 claimed that she asked him to find a hitman to kill Verna Heath. 499 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:30,033 [news anchor 2] Prosecutors say they even planned a kidnapping, 500 00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:33,100 with talk of selling Heath into slavery. 501 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,433 [Anne] Terry Harper. What a man. 502 00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:44,934 Essentially, Terry Harper was what would be classically called the ne'er-do-well. 503 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,433 He'd started having problems with the law at about the age of 13 or 14, 504 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:50,834 by his own admission. 505 00:28:50,834 --> 00:28:54,000 I believe he told me he was arrested for possession of marijuana. 506 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,600 By the time he was in his 20s, 507 00:28:58,266 --> 00:29:00,100 when Wanda was married to Tony, 508 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:04,033 every news covered the black sheep of the family. 509 00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:07,867 He was in and out of jail a lot. DUIs and that kind of thing. 510 00:29:07,867 --> 00:29:11,100 But he was not the mass murderer type, let's put it that way. 511 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,567 He definitely had some problems. 512 00:29:14,567 --> 00:29:16,667 Um, personal issues, 513 00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:18,266 personal demons. 514 00:29:18,266 --> 00:29:21,500 And I know that he would, many times, 515 00:29:22,567 --> 00:29:25,467 bring those up at Christmas, to the family, 516 00:29:25,467 --> 00:29:28,867 like, you know, would give this spiel about, 517 00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:31,834 you know, "I messed up but I'm gonna do better." 518 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,367 But I didn't have any issues with my Uncle Terry. 519 00:29:37,367 --> 00:29:39,600 He was, he was good to me. 520 00:29:43,166 --> 00:29:46,467 Wanda was well aware of his skirmishes with the law. 521 00:29:46,467 --> 00:29:49,634 So when it came time for her to think up 522 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:51,367 trying to find somebody who had connections 523 00:29:51,367 --> 00:29:53,133 to the criminal underworld, 524 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,667 Terry would, undoubtedly, be the first person she'd turn to. 525 00:29:56,667 --> 00:30:01,166 She must have been stewing on this for quite a while. 526 00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:03,367 And because the family was divorced, 527 00:30:03,367 --> 00:30:08,266 she sent her daughter to a family Christmas party, 528 00:30:08,266 --> 00:30:11,834 um, to get Terry Harper to meet with her. 529 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,300 [piano music playing] 530 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:19,834 [Anne] Wanda, apparently, had been having conversations on the sly with Terry 531 00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:23,667 to discuss the fact that she wanted to get in touch with a hitman. 532 00:30:23,667 --> 00:30:26,333 So when it came time for Christmas holidays, 533 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,934 and the children were getting dropped at their grandparents' house, 534 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,266 Wanda gave a piece of paper to Shanna 535 00:30:32,266 --> 00:30:34,500 and said, "Give this to Uncle Terry." 536 00:30:35,867 --> 00:30:40,567 [Shanna] My mom asked me to give her number 537 00:30:40,567 --> 00:30:41,900 to my Uncle Terry. 538 00:30:45,667 --> 00:30:47,767 We were about to go from the living room, 539 00:30:47,767 --> 00:30:51,266 I think, to the, like, kitchen area. 540 00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:53,033 I think it was time to eat. 541 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:00,166 And I stopped my Uncle Terry and I said, 542 00:31:00,166 --> 00:31:02,634 "Hey, um, Mom wanted me to give you this." 543 00:31:03,266 --> 00:31:06,834 [slow instrumental music playing] 544 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,800 But he took the number and said "Okay." 545 00:31:11,567 --> 00:31:14,567 [Anne] Terry realizes that she wasn't just blowing air 546 00:31:14,567 --> 00:31:17,767 when she said how much she hated the Heaths. 547 00:31:17,767 --> 00:31:20,533 Wanda was asking him to take somebody out, 548 00:31:20,967 --> 00:31:22,400 i.e., kill them. 549 00:31:24,867 --> 00:31:27,233 But there was something Wanda didn't know. 550 00:31:29,266 --> 00:31:31,400 Terry was working with the cops. 551 00:31:35,567 --> 00:31:38,200 [Flynt] Uh, this is a part of Channelview. 552 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:43,266 As far as I know, it is still crime-infested. 553 00:31:43,266 --> 00:31:46,133 I think it was born crime-infested. 554 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,467 And these parking lots right here, 555 00:31:51,467 --> 00:31:55,400 spaces, is where we met Terry Harper. 556 00:32:00,367 --> 00:32:01,767 [Flynt] I got a phone call 557 00:32:01,767 --> 00:32:05,166 at the undercover office on I-10 558 00:32:05,166 --> 00:32:06,600 from Terry Harper. 559 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,667 And, I was in disbelief, actually. 560 00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:15,133 So I set up a meeting with him with George Helton and I 561 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,467 and he and I worked together on this case. 562 00:32:19,467 --> 00:32:22,734 He sat there and told them what-- what had happened with Wanda. 563 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,967 That Wanda was asking him to try to locate a hitman. 564 00:32:25,967 --> 00:32:28,567 And they were still kind of incredulous that they said, 565 00:32:28,567 --> 00:32:31,367 "Okay, why don't you call her while we listen in? 566 00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:32,700 We need to get her on tape." 567 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,867 George, uh, told him, you know, 568 00:32:35,867 --> 00:32:38,967 briefed him really good on what to say. 569 00:32:38,967 --> 00:32:41,800 And we hooked him up at that phone booth. 570 00:32:43,967 --> 00:32:46,767 And he made his first call. 571 00:32:46,767 --> 00:32:50,233 [recording playing] 572 00:33:15,767 --> 00:33:19,100 You know, we could hear one side of the conversation, his side. 573 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,767 And, uh, I said, "Well, you know, we need to get on this, 574 00:33:21,767 --> 00:33:23,300 make sure nobody gets hurt." 575 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,767 Let's get this case going. 576 00:33:26,767 --> 00:33:28,000 [switch clicks] 577 00:33:28,767 --> 00:33:30,834 [recording plays] 578 00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:42,467 [Anne] Their first official meeting that the detectives 579 00:33:42,467 --> 00:33:44,467 were gonna be listening to the tape of, 580 00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:47,333 took place in the parking lot of a Grandy's restaurant. 581 00:33:48,867 --> 00:33:52,834 [recording playing] 582 00:34:23,367 --> 00:34:25,467 [Anne] I remember there being a lot of hedging. 583 00:34:25,467 --> 00:34:27,000 That she just kept reiterating 584 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,266 that she didn't think she would get her hands 585 00:34:28,266 --> 00:34:30,166 on that kind of money very easily. 586 00:34:30,166 --> 00:34:33,100 And Terry kept saying, "Well, we gotta have some money. 587 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,934 You know, I can't just go to this guy and say 588 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,900 we'll pay you later. Doesn't work that way." 589 00:34:38,166 --> 00:34:41,433 She was just going back and forth, back and forth. 590 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:43,367 And, uh, you know, 591 00:34:43,367 --> 00:34:46,066 my fear was, and George's fear was, 592 00:34:46,066 --> 00:34:49,567 is that she would back out from Terry 593 00:34:49,567 --> 00:34:52,800 and go and get someone else and it really happening. 594 00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:56,867 So we had already told him, 595 00:34:56,867 --> 00:35:00,967 "Tell her that she needs to either pay up 596 00:35:00,967 --> 00:35:04,600 or give us something of equal value to that." 597 00:35:04,967 --> 00:35:08,300 [recording playing] 598 00:35:17,567 --> 00:35:20,900 [Anne] So, she brings the earrings to a meeting. 599 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,100 They make the transfer. 600 00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,834 And he says, you know, "See you later. I'll let you know." 601 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,900 And the next day, she's arrested at her home. 602 00:35:32,867 --> 00:35:34,867 [Terry] I didn't know what to think at first. 603 00:35:34,867 --> 00:35:38,133 But when I realized that Wanda was serious, 604 00:35:38,767 --> 00:35:40,734 I went to the police 605 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,567 and I felt like I'd done the right thing then. 606 00:35:43,567 --> 00:35:45,734 I think I'm doing the right thing now. 607 00:35:49,467 --> 00:35:52,400 [tape rewinding] 608 00:35:52,967 --> 00:35:54,333 [static noise] 609 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,567 [Flynt] It was about 4:00 in the afternoon. 610 00:35:59,567 --> 00:36:03,634 Uh, George and I had secured our search warrant. 611 00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:08,166 And, uh, we came over here and waited 612 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:10,033 and sure enough, it wasn't long. 613 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:12,834 Wanda showed up, pulled up in the driveway. 614 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:16,033 We got out of the vehicle and followed her up to the front door. 615 00:36:17,867 --> 00:36:21,367 And I said, "Look, you know, you're under arrest 616 00:36:21,367 --> 00:36:25,867 for solicitation of capital murder, for Verna Heath." 617 00:36:25,867 --> 00:36:29,433 And, uh... she said, "Oh, really?" 618 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:31,166 I said, "Oh, really." 619 00:36:31,166 --> 00:36:33,967 She goes, "Am I going to jail?" 620 00:36:33,967 --> 00:36:35,367 I said, "Yeah!" 621 00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:37,000 She said, "Well, let me go change clothes." 622 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,533 I said, "No, ma'am, we got clothes for you downtown." 623 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,967 And I said, why don't you tell your daughter that 624 00:36:42,967 --> 00:36:45,333 we're taking you down for some hot checks 625 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,934 'cause clearly she's not gonna understand any of this. 626 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,734 And she said, "Well, I need to call my husband and get me an attorney!" 627 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,367 So she picks up the phone, calls her husband, whose name is CD, 628 00:36:56,367 --> 00:36:57,734 and I can kind of hear him. 629 00:36:57,734 --> 00:37:01,233 She says, "I'm going to jail, CD. You need to get me an attorney!" 630 00:37:03,367 --> 00:37:07,467 Well, I stepped outside and waved the patrol unit up. 631 00:37:07,467 --> 00:37:09,266 George stayed in there with her. 632 00:37:09,266 --> 00:37:11,667 And he walked in, handcuffed her, 633 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:13,800 and we took her down to the jailhouse. 634 00:37:18,967 --> 00:37:22,100 Most people would, would be in tears. 635 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:26,100 Especially a capital offense like that. 636 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:32,100 But, uh, it's my understanding she had no qualms about what she had done. 637 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:34,500 And she wished that it had went through. 638 00:37:37,467 --> 00:37:40,700 [Shanna] That's the moment when my whole world fell apart. 639 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,834 [Flynt] The day that we arrest her, 640 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:46,734 I didn't think much about it. 641 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,133 But boy, that afternoon, when I got home, 642 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,033 my parents started calling me, 643 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:56,800 and friends and just talking about, "Man, this case!" 644 00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:00,667 And it was a huge mess. 645 00:38:00,667 --> 00:38:02,867 [news anchor 1] A Texas woman is facing life in prison 646 00:38:02,867 --> 00:38:06,133 because she thought murder was the only way she could get her daughter 647 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,033 on a high school cheerleading squad. 648 00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:11,433 [news anchor 2] The case of a mother who allegedly would do anything 649 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,166 to make her daughter a cheerleader. 650 00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:16,567 And it's the talk of the town in Channelview where Holloway lives. 651 00:38:16,567 --> 00:38:18,834 It started off with just the local news. 652 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,433 [news anchor 3] She's been dubbed the 'Pom Pom Mom'. 653 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:25,667 Accused of hiring a hitman to kill another mother in the neighborhood, Verna Heath. 654 00:38:25,667 --> 00:38:28,567 [Troy] That very quickly turned into a national news event. 655 00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:30,433 [news anchor 4] No matter what channel you watch, 656 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:34,133 you're watching Wanda Webb Holloway. 657 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,166 [Troy] And it had truly made the world news. 658 00:38:37,166 --> 00:38:40,033 [news anchor 5] Life at Channelview High School goes on 659 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:43,100 but the campus here has become security conscious 660 00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:46,100 as the media has moved in for reaction. 661 00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,767 [Shanna] I remember being chased by media 662 00:38:49,767 --> 00:38:53,400 off the school property and halfway to my house. 663 00:38:54,467 --> 00:38:56,667 I remember finding out that one of the people 664 00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:58,767 that I thought was a close friend of mine 665 00:38:58,767 --> 00:39:03,033 was selling yearbook photos to the media. 666 00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:06,367 And that was... pretty hurtful. 667 00:39:06,367 --> 00:39:09,867 [Carolyn] It was sensational and it was a big story. 668 00:39:09,867 --> 00:39:12,867 That doesn't happen everyday even in Texas. 669 00:39:12,867 --> 00:39:16,033 [Flynt] There was people everywhere talking about this. 670 00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,166 Wanda knocked it out of the park with that. 671 00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:20,634 I think they ought to put her away. 672 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,033 Anybody that is so jealous of somebody else 673 00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:26,467 that's gonna kill somebody, deserves it. 674 00:39:26,467 --> 00:39:28,834 It was just a feeding frenzy, you know? 675 00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,867 You don't hear about stuff like this very often, especially in the '90s. 676 00:39:31,867 --> 00:39:34,767 [dramatic music playing] 677 00:39:34,767 --> 00:39:36,133 [Shanna] I think I was in shock. 678 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:40,900 Because, like, holy crap, you know, like, what... 679 00:39:41,867 --> 00:39:43,333 what have you done? 680 00:39:47,667 --> 00:39:49,734 [news anchor] 36-year-old Wanda Holloway 681 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,266 is free on a $10,000 bond 682 00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:54,900 and could face life in prison if found guilty. 683 00:39:56,867 --> 00:39:59,634 [Shanna] So when I come home, I know it's not good 684 00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:01,400 because she's in her robe 685 00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,734 and she doesn't have any make-up on, she looks like hell. 686 00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:10,934 Mom explained nothing was ever gonna happen. 687 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,500 And my uncle, 688 00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:15,667 he just went off. 689 00:40:15,667 --> 00:40:19,133 [inaudible] 690 00:40:22,266 --> 00:40:25,100 [Shanna] I just remember feeling bad for her. 691 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:28,567 Because I'm like, "Can you not tell she's already been through the wringer?" 692 00:40:28,567 --> 00:40:31,333 Like, she's obviously suffering, okay? 693 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,467 -[Terry speaking inaudibly] -We don't need to drag her through the mud 694 00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:37,433 any more than she's probably already dragged herself through the mud. 695 00:40:39,467 --> 00:40:40,767 But I didn't say that, of course. 696 00:40:40,767 --> 00:40:43,600 'Cause children are to be seen and not heard. 697 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,467 My grandma told me to stay strong. 698 00:40:48,467 --> 00:40:51,800 So I just pushed down all my fear and guilt. 699 00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:01,300 "Dear Diary..." 700 00:41:01,867 --> 00:41:04,834 [Shanna reading aloud] 701 00:41:12,867 --> 00:41:14,300 I remember going to bed 702 00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:18,667 having the thought, like, 703 00:41:18,667 --> 00:41:21,000 "Am I safe here?" [chuckles nervously] 704 00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:24,400 You know, is she gonna do something to me? 705 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,600 [dramatic music playing] 706 00:41:30,467 --> 00:41:33,867 Because I felt like I'm the reason all of this is happening. 707 00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:35,500 If I had just made cheerleader, 708 00:41:36,667 --> 00:41:39,834 if I'd been better, then we wouldn't be here right now. 709 00:41:45,467 --> 00:41:46,734 That's how I saw it. 710 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,233 I took the blame. 711 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:51,467 This is on me. 712 00:41:51,467 --> 00:41:54,100 If I didn't exist, none of this would've happened. 713 00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:02,400 And I felt that way until I found out the truth. 714 00:42:05,767 --> 00:42:08,867 [announcer] Here's Larry King. 715 00:42:08,867 --> 00:42:12,367 How do you, Tony, the former husband, it's your daughter, 716 00:42:12,367 --> 00:42:13,800 how do you explain all this? 717 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,133 I don't try to explain it. 718 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,100 [Larry King] Are you saddened by it? 719 00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:20,567 I feel sorry for my children. 720 00:42:20,567 --> 00:42:24,000 One of the first things that Tony did was hire a lawyer 721 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,767 who sought to... 722 00:42:25,767 --> 00:42:29,266 Wanda had primary custody that time, Tony had visitation. 723 00:42:29,266 --> 00:42:33,066 He sought to take Wanda's primary custody away from her. 724 00:42:33,066 --> 00:42:36,934 And it became impossible for the parents on either side 725 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,266 to be able to have substantive conversations with her 726 00:42:39,266 --> 00:42:41,433 about what had happened or what was going on, 727 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,233 for fear that the other side would allege 728 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:46,634 that they were trying to manipulate Shanna in the middle. 729 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:48,433 [reporter] Mr. Harper, are the children having problems, 730 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,333 to you knowledge, psychological problems because of this? 731 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,367 Well, it's been a great concern of mine with my children, 732 00:42:53,367 --> 00:42:55,367 that why they are seeing Dr. Kit Harrison. 733 00:42:55,367 --> 00:42:59,133 And they will continue to see him as the court has allowed me today to do so. 734 00:42:59,867 --> 00:43:01,467 I wasn't comfortable with my dad. 735 00:43:01,467 --> 00:43:03,166 My dad made my uncomfortable. 736 00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:06,166 I had fear of my dad. 737 00:43:06,166 --> 00:43:08,333 Not respect, I had fear. 738 00:43:09,467 --> 00:43:11,600 And I didn't wanna live in fear. 739 00:43:17,066 --> 00:43:19,233 [Maier McDonald Maier] The trial was held at the Harris County courthouse, 740 00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,166 and it was jammed with reporters. 741 00:43:21,166 --> 00:43:24,266 Interestingly, they could only shoot through the window of the courtroom. 742 00:43:24,266 --> 00:43:26,367 No audio was allowed. 743 00:43:26,367 --> 00:43:30,767 And Wanda showed up looking like she was attending a ladies fashion luncheon. 744 00:43:30,767 --> 00:43:33,667 [reporter] While cheerleading is underway in Channelview schools, 745 00:43:33,667 --> 00:43:36,333 the trial of the town's most famous mother 746 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,567 is opening with dramatic testimony. 747 00:43:38,567 --> 00:43:43,333 We're not dealing with some faux pas at a tea party here, folks. 748 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,266 [Maier] When the case came to trail, it turned out 749 00:43:45,266 --> 00:43:49,467 that the state's star witness for the prosecution was Terry Harper. 750 00:43:49,467 --> 00:43:51,000 The one and only. 751 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,934 Ne'er do well of Channelview. 752 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,367 Black sheep of the Harper family. 753 00:43:55,367 --> 00:43:58,000 And, um, well known to the authorities. 754 00:44:00,166 --> 00:44:02,467 [Ken Odle] I remember thinking, 755 00:44:02,467 --> 00:44:05,133 "He's definitely not in Wanda Holloway's court. 756 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,867 He's not a fan." 757 00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:13,133 And I didn't think he was a particularly nice guy. 758 00:44:14,867 --> 00:44:16,767 [Maier] It's brought out right upfront 759 00:44:16,767 --> 00:44:18,834 that he had a chequered past. 760 00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:20,767 You know, had to get that out of the way 761 00:44:20,767 --> 00:44:25,634 because it's obvious that his credibility could have lots of holes shot in it 762 00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:27,634 just based on his criminal record. 763 00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,967 But he took the stand and testified about 764 00:44:30,967 --> 00:44:34,133 how he came to be in possession of a tape recorder 765 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,533 that night in the Grandy's parking lot to start taping Wanda. 766 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,667 And when the courtroom finally heard those tapes, all hell broke loose. 767 00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:47,500 Tonight, the public is buzzing about its first chance to hear the tapes. 768 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,000 [tape playing] 769 00:44:59,467 --> 00:45:02,066 What was on the tapes was... was damaging. 770 00:45:02,066 --> 00:45:05,867 There were parts of it that would make your skin crawl. 771 00:45:05,867 --> 00:45:09,100 But the tapes were what the tapes were. 772 00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,000 [tape playing] 773 00:45:16,467 --> 00:45:20,166 [Maier] The venom is her voice was unmistakable. 774 00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:23,000 There was no way around thinking that she meant every word she said, 775 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,634 and that she was willing to go through with it. 776 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:27,333 I mean, I think it affected that whole trial, 777 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,000 from the beginning to the end. 778 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,667 [Shanna] I was watching the news because that's 779 00:45:31,667 --> 00:45:33,467 the only information I was getting 780 00:45:33,467 --> 00:45:35,834 because no one was telling me anything. 781 00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:40,367 And so I'm hearing her on those tapes, 782 00:45:40,367 --> 00:45:43,300 and she just sounds horrible. 783 00:45:44,967 --> 00:45:46,266 And I just remember thinking, 784 00:45:46,266 --> 00:45:49,000 "Man, she's not gonna get through this. 785 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,600 They're not gonna find her innocent. They're just not." 786 00:46:13,867 --> 00:46:15,166 [prosecutor] Ma'am, would you introduce yourself 787 00:46:15,166 --> 00:46:16,900 to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury? 788 00:46:19,567 --> 00:46:22,166 [Marla Harper] My name is Marla Harper. 789 00:46:22,166 --> 00:46:23,900 [prosecutor] Who are you married to? 790 00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:27,867 [Marla] Terry Harper. 791 00:46:27,867 --> 00:46:31,767 [Maier] Of all the people, Marla Harper ended up as a witness for the defense, 792 00:46:31,767 --> 00:46:35,734 which was quite a stunning turn of events. 793 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,934 Terry and Marla Harper proudly tell them 794 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,333 that, um, she was, at the same time, 795 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,433 his sixth and his seventh wife. 796 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,667 Because during the course of their, I would say, roughly two-year relationship, 797 00:46:45,667 --> 00:46:49,066 they had broken up and gotten divorced once already 798 00:46:49,066 --> 00:46:52,133 and then gotten back together and remarried already. 799 00:46:53,166 --> 00:46:55,333 [prosecutor] Were you afraid of your husband? 800 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,834 [Marla] Very much so. 801 00:46:57,266 --> 00:46:58,433 [prosecutor] Why? 802 00:46:58,433 --> 00:47:01,133 [Marla] Because of the abuse, physically and mentally, 803 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,500 that I had went through since before I married him. 804 00:47:04,867 --> 00:47:09,166 [McKinney] She described him as manipulative, as vindictive. 805 00:47:09,166 --> 00:47:12,133 The picture of Terry is nothing but a do gooder, 806 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,266 and it could not have been further from the truth. 807 00:47:15,266 --> 00:47:17,967 [reporter] Yesterday, Harper's estranged wife, Marla, said 808 00:47:17,967 --> 00:47:20,934 that she was threatened and beaten by her husband in the past. 809 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,567 And as recently as last week, she claimed that he beat her 810 00:47:23,567 --> 00:47:27,000 because Terry didn't want Marla to testify in this trial. 811 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,767 [Maier] Marla knew something about the whole setup with the police 812 00:47:32,767 --> 00:47:34,767 and taping Wanda, 813 00:47:34,767 --> 00:47:37,266 and she thought there was something fishy about it. 814 00:47:37,266 --> 00:47:39,867 So, it was quite a dramatic revelation 815 00:47:39,867 --> 00:47:41,867 when she turned up on the defense 816 00:47:41,867 --> 00:47:44,367 and testified that there was a plot 817 00:47:44,367 --> 00:47:47,500 to, um, set Wanda up, so to speak. 818 00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:52,467 [McKinney] If I had just heard her story in a vacuum, 819 00:47:52,467 --> 00:47:54,634 it would have seemed as strange as the story 820 00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:57,266 we had in the vacuum to begin with was as well. 821 00:47:57,266 --> 00:48:01,467 But as we got through this, we were able to put the pieces together, 822 00:48:01,467 --> 00:48:04,166 paint the entire picture. 823 00:48:04,166 --> 00:48:07,734 [Marla] "Terry, you told me when we went back together, 824 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,967 that if you ever, for any reason, 825 00:48:09,967 --> 00:48:13,066 brought a gun back in this house for any reason, 826 00:48:13,066 --> 00:48:15,266 you wanted me to leave you. 827 00:48:15,266 --> 00:48:17,000 Well, you've got it. 828 00:48:18,567 --> 00:48:20,467 You are a very dangerous person, 829 00:48:20,467 --> 00:48:23,233 and you and everyone else knows it. 830 00:48:24,567 --> 00:48:26,333 Remember when you lied to the police, 831 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,934 and when you were bragging about setting Wanda up? 832 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,500 I taped you and your conversation with Tony. 833 00:48:31,967 --> 00:48:34,000 My attorney knows everything. 834 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,333 PS, 835 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,533 I hope you can eventually straighten out your terrible life." 836 00:48:40,767 --> 00:48:45,367 [McKinney] Marla testified that Terry told her it was his idea. 837 00:48:45,367 --> 00:48:49,000 She believed that Terry actively disliked Wanda 838 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,867 because she had gotten him in trouble with his brother 839 00:48:51,867 --> 00:48:55,667 by telling Tony that Terry was trying to hit on her. 840 00:48:55,667 --> 00:48:57,667 And that gave him the motivation 841 00:48:57,667 --> 00:49:02,400 to try and get back in his brother's good graces at the expense of Wanda. 842 00:49:06,166 --> 00:49:08,166 [Maier] When Wanda gave a piece of paper to Shanna, 843 00:49:08,166 --> 00:49:10,166 that's when Terry, he picked up the ball 844 00:49:10,166 --> 00:49:12,100 and started running with it. 845 00:49:13,066 --> 00:49:15,266 [prosecutor] Marla, did you see your husband 846 00:49:15,266 --> 00:49:18,233 make a phone call on the day before New Year's? 847 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:19,567 [Marla] Yes. 848 00:49:19,567 --> 00:49:22,734 He was trying to get in touch with his brother. 849 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,233 [prosecutor] What did you hear your husband say to his brother in that conversation? 850 00:49:27,266 --> 00:49:29,767 [Marla] That he'd finally gotten Wanda where he wanted her. 851 00:49:29,767 --> 00:49:32,767 That Tony was finally gonna get his kids. 852 00:49:32,767 --> 00:49:35,266 [prosecutor] How was Tony gonna get his kids? 853 00:49:35,266 --> 00:49:37,867 [Marla] Well, he said they were gonna "burn the bitch" 854 00:49:37,867 --> 00:49:39,634 was his exact words. 855 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,000 [prosecutor] Did they talk about setting up Wanda Holloway? 856 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,767 [Marla] Yes, they did. 857 00:49:46,867 --> 00:49:51,233 [McKinney] Marla testified that Terry and Tony ended up being able to 858 00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:55,433 fashion a narrative that made it believable to the detectives. 859 00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,533 They finally gave him a recorder to record some conversations with Wanda, 860 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,000 which is where Terry and Tony's plan 861 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,867 to... to lock Wanda into this for Tony's benefit 862 00:50:06,867 --> 00:50:08,867 began to take shape and form. 863 00:50:08,867 --> 00:50:10,934 And that no matter how many times Wanda said, 864 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,266 "No, I don't want to be a part of this. Let it go," 865 00:50:13,266 --> 00:50:15,834 they weren't going to let it go. 866 00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:17,400 [tape playing] 867 00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:40,667 It definitely felt like there was the potential 868 00:50:40,667 --> 00:50:47,000 that they had colluded or schemed together to make this happen. 869 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,767 And as I was listening to the tapes, 870 00:50:50,767 --> 00:50:54,767 part of me is saying, "I can't believe she just said that." 871 00:50:54,767 --> 00:50:56,634 Part of me is thinking, 872 00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,166 "Yeah, I can see where they're giving her enough rope 873 00:51:00,166 --> 00:51:02,667 to hang herself with." 874 00:51:02,667 --> 00:51:07,166 [McKinney] We now had Marla who was saying Tony was the puppet master, as it were. 875 00:51:07,166 --> 00:51:11,667 He was pointing Terry in the direction of where he needed to go 876 00:51:11,667 --> 00:51:14,900 to help Tony and not help Wanda. 877 00:51:16,667 --> 00:51:22,600 I think that my dad and my uncle set my mom up. 878 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,934 It was just that... 879 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,934 That game of... 880 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,133 retaliation against each other. 881 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:37,033 And he just had a really good opportunity to nail it to her really hard. 882 00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:38,700 [King] How long you know Wanda? 883 00:51:39,467 --> 00:51:41,100 Since, uh... 884 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,033 We lived together in the same neighborhood, 885 00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:47,767 a mile down the street from each other, all of our lives. 886 00:51:47,767 --> 00:51:49,900 And you think she did do this? 887 00:51:50,667 --> 00:51:52,266 Contrived to do it? 888 00:51:52,266 --> 00:51:54,133 I don't have a comment on that. 889 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,734 [King] You don't have an opinion? 890 00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:02,200 I'm not her judge and jury. 891 00:52:02,767 --> 00:52:03,934 [McKinney] By all accounts, 892 00:52:03,934 --> 00:52:06,333 and by the accounts of people who testified at trail, 893 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,667 money was probably more important to Tony than almost anything else. 894 00:52:09,667 --> 00:52:13,233 He saw himself as better than everybody else. 895 00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,967 And having to pay child support to her 896 00:52:15,967 --> 00:52:18,567 meant that she had one up on him. 897 00:52:18,567 --> 00:52:20,934 And he just couldn't let that continue to happen 898 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,567 if he had a way to get out it. 899 00:52:23,567 --> 00:52:26,734 I think my dad gets off on power trips. 900 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,100 Every weekend, at some point, 901 00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:32,166 you could expect to sit in the living room with my dad 902 00:52:32,166 --> 00:52:35,600 and be interrogated for... 903 00:52:37,066 --> 00:52:38,934 a good two hours. 904 00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:41,500 Like he was trying to get... 905 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,133 [sighs] ...ammo 906 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,834 for whatever it was he was trying to get ammo for. 907 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,634 So, with my mom, 908 00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:54,800 I think Dad saw an opportunity 909 00:52:55,367 --> 00:52:56,600 to... 910 00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:04,467 take an unfortunate situation and play it to his advantage. 911 00:53:04,467 --> 00:53:08,333 And he... and he unfortunately didn't think about his kids 912 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,767 and just thought about getting back at her. 913 00:53:10,767 --> 00:53:14,834 And sadly, 914 00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:20,166 I wish he had chosen a different path. 915 00:53:20,166 --> 00:53:23,834 But that didn't happen either now, did it? 916 00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,266 So we all get to suffer. 917 00:53:27,266 --> 00:53:30,433 [Maier] When Marla returned to the courtroom to be cross-examined, 918 00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,266 the prosecution attacked her viciously. 919 00:53:33,266 --> 00:53:35,033 [reporter] In the cross examination, 920 00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,266 the District Attorney Mike Anderson challenged her testimony, saying, 921 00:53:37,266 --> 00:53:40,133 yes, she had been abused and that she had a rough life, 922 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,467 but that she had been under psychiatric care for many years, 923 00:53:42,467 --> 00:53:46,533 and that she couldn't always be believed what she said. 924 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,734 [Maier] The easiest and best way to discredit Marla 925 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,300 would be to look at her own psychiatric history. 926 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,934 It's natural to attack the credibility 927 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,166 of whatever witness you're trying to attack the credibility of. 928 00:53:58,166 --> 00:54:03,266 And unfortunately, Marla put herself in the hospital on numerous occasions. 929 00:54:03,266 --> 00:54:05,734 [prosecutor] Now, Marla, you mentioned at one point 930 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,967 that you had gone somewhere because you hurt yourself. 931 00:54:08,967 --> 00:54:10,200 [Marla] Yes. 932 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,834 Terry had raped me and beaten me up before we got married. 933 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:14,934 [prosecutor] Uh, ma'am, can I interject something here? 934 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,066 Your stepfather had raped you? Is that correct? 935 00:54:18,066 --> 00:54:19,066 [Marla] That's true. 936 00:54:19,066 --> 00:54:20,934 [prosecutor] And your brother had raped you? 937 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,600 [Marla] My half-brother. 938 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,266 [prosecutor] And several other people have tried to rape you, have they not? 939 00:54:26,266 --> 00:54:27,767 [Marla] True. 940 00:54:27,767 --> 00:54:29,767 [prosecutor] Uh, but you told the doctors that you had 941 00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:32,967 trouble distinguishing between the truth and fiction. 942 00:54:32,967 --> 00:54:34,133 Yes? 943 00:54:34,133 --> 00:54:37,400 [Marla] Yeah, I did it for my protection from Terry. 944 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,433 [McKinney] They attacked her personally. 945 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:41,967 What they tried to sell 946 00:54:41,967 --> 00:54:44,934 and perhaps effectively sold to the jury was 947 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,166 the story that she's telling is not credible because of her mental health issues. 948 00:54:50,166 --> 00:54:54,166 And when you destroy somebody's general credibility, 949 00:54:54,166 --> 00:54:56,934 people tend to not believe a lot of what they have to say, 950 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,667 even though it may be the God's honest truth. 951 00:54:58,667 --> 00:55:02,033 I'm in shock, I'm numb, I'm angry. 952 00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:05,433 And I'm not gonna rest until the woman is set free 953 00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:07,433 because she's not guilty. 954 00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:10,834 [Carolyn Campbell] Most of the adults involved in this case 955 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:12,266 were opportunistic. 956 00:55:12,266 --> 00:55:14,467 You just didn't know who to believe. 957 00:55:14,467 --> 00:55:18,166 But I thought she was believable. 958 00:55:18,166 --> 00:55:20,867 [Maier] In Marla's case, the general reaction was, 959 00:55:20,867 --> 00:55:22,467 you know, you brought it upon yourself 960 00:55:22,467 --> 00:55:24,266 if you've stayed with this person. 961 00:55:24,266 --> 00:55:27,734 But when you're involved in a situation like that, 962 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,734 you feel emotionally beaten down for one thing, 963 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,200 and physically afraid of what might happen. 964 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,367 And trying to leave often would escalate a situation like that. 965 00:55:35,367 --> 00:55:38,133 [reporter] Today, Terry denied beating his wife last week. 966 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,166 But he did admit telling Marla's psychologist several months ago, 967 00:55:41,166 --> 00:55:45,000 "I was too drunk to remember if I raped her." 968 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:52,667 If a prosecutor tried to discredit a woman today for being crazy 969 00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:55,867 because she was abused, it would backfire. 970 00:55:55,867 --> 00:56:00,066 And it would certainly have helped Wanda Holloway today. 971 00:56:00,066 --> 00:56:03,133 But it just didn't get the traction 972 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,900 that that bigger storyline did. 973 00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,233 [Maier] I called the chapter in my book about Wanda's defense, 974 00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:13,967 "If all else fails, use a shotgun." 975 00:56:13,967 --> 00:56:17,367 Because every tactic they could possibly dream up, 976 00:56:17,367 --> 00:56:20,400 they dragged out and threw at the wall to see what would stick. 977 00:56:22,867 --> 00:56:28,100 And they had Wanda take the stand in her own defense. 978 00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:30,634 [McKinney] The default position for criminal defense lawyers is 979 00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:33,367 don't put your client on the witness stand. 980 00:56:33,367 --> 00:56:36,734 It's a quick way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory. 981 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,233 Now, there are exceptions to that. 982 00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:42,667 [reporter] When she took the stand in her own defense, Mrs. Holloway tearfully denied 983 00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:44,433 she wanted to have anyone murdered. 984 00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:45,867 She said she went along with the scheme 985 00:56:45,867 --> 00:56:49,433 because she was afraid Harper would have somebody murder her. 986 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:50,934 [Maier] And they'd ask her line by line, 987 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,233 "What did you mean by that? 988 00:56:52,233 --> 00:56:54,567 What did you mean when you said, 'You just want her gone'?" 989 00:56:54,567 --> 00:56:56,266 She said, "I was just kidding. 990 00:56:56,266 --> 00:56:58,333 I just... You know, I was going along with Terry. 991 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,100 It was like a joke we were having." 992 00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:02,367 There was simply no intent. 993 00:57:02,367 --> 00:57:03,667 If Wanda wanted to go through with this, 994 00:57:03,667 --> 00:57:04,900 she would have said upfront, 995 00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:07,233 "Yeah, let's kill 'em. Let's kidnap 'em. Here's the money." 996 00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,734 She didn't do that. 997 00:57:08,734 --> 00:57:12,667 But as the tapes progressed, especially when the juries had heard them, 998 00:57:12,667 --> 00:57:14,934 it was really hard to argue that you were kidding. 999 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,667 Imagine an invisible button that only she knows about that she can push. 1000 00:57:19,667 --> 00:57:22,500 And if she pushes it, those two people die. 1001 00:57:24,667 --> 00:57:26,000 Well, she pushed it. 1002 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:33,133 At the time, we all had certain ingrained perceptions of women. 1003 00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:35,767 You still see it today, 1004 00:57:35,767 --> 00:57:40,934 where an ambitious woman becomes the villain of virtually any story. 1005 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,500 So, I think it was very easy to cast Wanda as the villain. 1006 00:57:58,166 --> 00:58:01,367 [Shanna] Trial stuff was not talked about around me at all. 1007 00:58:01,367 --> 00:58:03,934 But you stand by your family. 1008 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,033 And, um, I knew her better than anybody else. 1009 00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:11,000 I knew what she did wasn't a good thing, 1010 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,066 but I knew she wasn't all bad. 1011 00:58:14,066 --> 00:58:18,133 She looked really bad, but she's not all bad. 1012 00:58:21,066 --> 00:58:23,767 [reporter] Reporters and onlookers from around the world 1013 00:58:23,767 --> 00:58:26,634 are once again jammed into a Harris County courtroom 1014 00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:30,433 for the final phase of what has been a sensational trial. 1015 00:58:32,066 --> 00:58:37,033 [Shanna] I only went to the trail the day that she was being sentenced. 1016 00:58:37,467 --> 00:58:40,533 And the reason for that was 1017 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,467 I wanted to be able to tell her "bye" 1018 00:58:42,467 --> 00:58:46,600 if she were found guilty. 1019 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,133 [judge] Has the jury reached a verdict? 1020 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,000 Would you pass it to the bailiff, please? 1021 00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:04,834 "We, the jury, having found the defendant 1022 00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:06,867 guilty of solicitation for capital murder 1023 00:59:06,867 --> 00:59:09,367 assess her punishment at confinement in the institutional division 1024 00:59:09,367 --> 00:59:12,767 of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for 15 years 1025 00:59:12,767 --> 00:59:16,133 and assess a fine in the amount of $10,000." 1026 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,033 The verdict found Wanda guilty of solicitation of capital murder. 1027 00:59:20,667 --> 00:59:23,934 I was disappointed. 1028 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,433 We thought there was a reasonable shot 1029 00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:27,233 that she could get probation. 1030 00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:30,133 Fifteen years was probably a bigger gut punch than the... 1031 00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:32,433 than the guilty verdict was. 1032 00:59:33,467 --> 00:59:38,166 [Swartz] The guilty verdict seemed like a foregone conclusion to me. 1033 00:59:38,166 --> 00:59:40,367 She had already been tried in the press, 1034 00:59:40,367 --> 00:59:41,934 she'd been tried in her neighborhood, 1035 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,100 she'd been tried in Houston. 1036 00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,266 It was not surprising. 1037 00:59:46,266 --> 00:59:47,600 [reporter] Holloway, visibly shaken, 1038 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,934 hugged her daughter before she was taken into police custody. 1039 00:59:51,767 --> 00:59:53,967 [Shanna] Everything just changed in an instant. 1040 00:59:53,967 --> 00:59:55,967 Like, Mom's gone. 1041 00:59:55,967 --> 00:59:59,667 And "Oh, my God, I'm gonna have to go live with my dad. 1042 00:59:59,667 --> 01:00:01,767 And I'm gonna run away. 1043 01:00:01,767 --> 01:00:05,467 I'm gonna run away 'cause I'm not living there. [chuckles] 1044 01:00:05,467 --> 01:00:10,667 And, um, I'll just go hide somewhere." 1045 01:00:10,667 --> 01:00:13,900 Like, this can't be happening. Like, this is not happening. 1046 01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:17,834 'Cause I can't. This is not gonna work. 1047 01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:19,767 I can't go without her for 15 years. 1048 01:00:19,767 --> 01:00:22,233 Like, that's just not gonna happen. 1049 01:00:29,567 --> 01:00:32,500 [announcer] Now, Channel 2 news at 6:00. 1050 01:00:33,867 --> 01:00:36,166 [reporter 1] The cheerleader mom case is not over. 1051 01:00:36,166 --> 01:00:40,233 In fact, today, the whole sordid affair took a dramatic twist. 1052 01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:42,567 -[reporter 2] Charles. -This case continues to take more turns 1053 01:00:42,567 --> 01:00:43,967 than a country road, Claire. 1054 01:00:43,967 --> 01:00:48,133 Attorneys for Wanda Holloway have just filed a motion for a new trial. 1055 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,433 [reporter 3] Holloway's lawyers discovered that one of 12 jurors 1056 01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:54,166 who convicted Holloway was himself convicted of cocaine possession, 1057 01:00:54,166 --> 01:00:58,266 making him disqualified to serve on the jury. 1058 01:00:58,266 --> 01:01:02,000 All of the members of the possible jury panel had been asked a question, 1059 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,233 "Are any of you currently on probation for any crime?" 1060 01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,333 All, to a man and women said, "No, no, Your Honor." 1061 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,967 But one of the members, it turned out, 1062 01:01:09,967 --> 01:01:12,166 was on what's called deferred adjudication, 1063 01:01:12,166 --> 01:01:14,767 which is a variation of what probation is. 1064 01:01:14,767 --> 01:01:17,767 And this young man didn't know the difference, so he had answered, 1065 01:01:17,767 --> 01:01:19,667 "No, I'm not on probation." 1066 01:01:19,667 --> 01:01:23,000 And that was the ace that they had in the deck of cards to... 1067 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,700 to have the case thrown out just two weeks later. 1068 01:01:27,367 --> 01:01:30,767 And there was, at the time, a little bit of resentment 1069 01:01:30,767 --> 01:01:37,000 because I speculated that the defense knew. 1070 01:01:38,367 --> 01:01:42,667 We had filled out such an extensive questionnaire. 1071 01:01:42,667 --> 01:01:46,166 I felt like they had probably caught it ahead of time, 1072 01:01:46,166 --> 01:01:47,533 and didn't say anything. 1073 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,867 And if the trail had gone in Wanda's favor, 1074 01:01:50,867 --> 01:01:54,133 then that would have never come up. 1075 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,166 And it's to your advantage, obviously, for a new trial. 1076 01:01:56,166 --> 01:01:58,233 -That's why I have to press you on this. -I understand. 1077 01:01:58,300 --> 01:01:59,066 You did not see him? 1078 01:01:59,066 --> 01:02:01,333 We did not know that he was, um, 1079 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,066 going through further adjudication at the time. 1080 01:02:03,066 --> 01:02:05,367 He was picked on the jury, at the time he served on the jury, 1081 01:02:05,367 --> 01:02:08,333 we did not discover that till after the trial. 1082 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,367 The four lawyers involved, uh, me and and my partner 1083 01:02:11,367 --> 01:02:15,667 and the two prosecutors all signed affidavits saying 1084 01:02:15,667 --> 01:02:19,066 "We didn't know it, didn't see it, didn't realize it." 1085 01:02:19,066 --> 01:02:22,634 And ultimately Judge Godwin granted the new trial. 1086 01:02:25,567 --> 01:02:26,967 [Shanna] It was a win, 1087 01:02:26,967 --> 01:02:31,300 even if maybe people didn't think justice was served and whatnot. 1088 01:02:32,467 --> 01:02:35,166 No one got hurt, no one ever was going to get hurt. 1089 01:02:35,166 --> 01:02:41,433 It was just words that she had spoken in a very mean way, 1090 01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:44,600 and then made to look really, really bad. 1091 01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:48,100 So, no, justice wasn't... 1092 01:02:49,667 --> 01:02:51,266 Wasn't my concern. 1093 01:02:51,266 --> 01:02:54,066 Having my life back to normal was my concern. 1094 01:02:54,066 --> 01:02:55,266 I needed... 1095 01:02:55,266 --> 01:02:57,900 I needed my safety net. I needed to be... 1096 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,634 uh, protected. And she was my protector. 1097 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:09,800 And when she got out, that's when she was finally able to fight back. 1098 01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:12,834 [man] Standby in the studio. 1099 01:03:13,166 --> 01:03:15,367 Four. Ready? Two... 1100 01:03:15,367 --> 01:03:17,367 [reporter] In an exclusive Channel 2 interview, 1101 01:03:17,367 --> 01:03:19,233 Wanda Holloway breaks her silence 1102 01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,467 about the cheerleader murder-for-hire plot. 1103 01:03:21,467 --> 01:03:24,266 I was set-up. 1104 01:03:24,266 --> 01:03:26,133 I was trapped, yes. 1105 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,634 [McKinney] Once the trial was over... 1106 01:03:27,634 --> 01:03:31,100 Because all of the press till that point had been everyone else talking 1107 01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:32,634 about what Wanda had done. 1108 01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:35,433 And it was important to her, it was important to us 1109 01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:37,967 to get the full story before the public. 1110 01:03:37,967 --> 01:03:40,166 [Wanda Holloway] The whole thing started off innocent. 1111 01:03:40,166 --> 01:03:41,400 So, it just evolved and it just got... 1112 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,367 It just mushroomed. It just kept getting bigger and bigger. 1113 01:03:43,367 --> 01:03:45,066 And I just couldn't get out. I didn't know how to get out of it. 1114 01:03:45,066 --> 01:03:50,266 She will do whatever it takes to see that she does not go to jail. 1115 01:03:50,266 --> 01:03:53,567 Wanda Holloway was guilty of no more than being stupid and gullible. 1116 01:03:53,567 --> 01:03:56,266 [reporter] Well, how in the hell did you get into this mess? 1117 01:03:56,266 --> 01:03:58,800 By running my mouth and talking to the wrong person. 1118 01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:04,166 [Shanna] My mom finally got the chance to have her story heard. 1119 01:04:04,166 --> 01:04:07,667 So they put her on every news and media outlet they could, 1120 01:04:07,667 --> 01:04:10,200 and that included Donahue. 1121 01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:18,400 Wanda Webb Holloway is here with her daughter, Shanna Harper. 1122 01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,266 It was, kind of, surreal, you know. 1123 01:04:21,266 --> 01:04:24,467 I mean, I've known her since the first grade. 1124 01:04:24,467 --> 01:04:25,967 And here she is on Donahue. 1125 01:04:25,967 --> 01:04:28,367 That was big time back then, you know? 1126 01:04:28,367 --> 01:04:30,567 Shanna, let me start with you. 1127 01:04:30,567 --> 01:04:32,667 Do you believe your mother is innocent? 1128 01:04:32,667 --> 01:04:34,266 Yes, sir, I do. 1129 01:04:34,266 --> 01:04:36,934 I remember the audience. 1130 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,033 And they were receptive to me, 1131 01:04:39,867 --> 01:04:43,100 um, not so much to my mom. 1132 01:04:43,767 --> 01:04:45,967 Wanda, why would you even think 1133 01:04:45,967 --> 01:04:48,734 of... of involving in a murder? 1134 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:49,967 I mean, what's it gonna do to her daughter? 1135 01:04:49,967 --> 01:04:50,800 [Donahue] She's denying she did. 1136 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,767 [woman stutters] It's terrible for her. 1137 01:04:53,767 --> 01:04:55,967 [Shanna] It was intense, it was bad. 1138 01:04:55,967 --> 01:04:59,266 I mean, people were, like, booing. 1139 01:04:59,266 --> 01:05:01,533 I think that your relationship with your daughter is obsessive. 1140 01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,367 I mean, because this is my mother here, you know. 1141 01:05:03,367 --> 01:05:05,333 But she doesn't go killing everybody, you know. 1142 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,600 I want a job. 1143 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,400 She's not killing somebody right now so I can get a job. 1144 01:05:10,467 --> 01:05:12,066 [Shanna] It was just ugly. 1145 01:05:12,066 --> 01:05:14,333 Um, I remember thinking, "What is wrong with you people? 1146 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,667 Do y'all not see me sitting here?" 1147 01:05:15,667 --> 01:05:18,533 I mean, I was, kind of, at least hoping that would be a... 1148 01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:20,233 a shield maybe. 1149 01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:23,934 Maybe a softener, you know, of the blows. 1150 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,367 Maybe, like, the, you know, her daughter's right there, we're not gonna act too crazy. 1151 01:05:27,367 --> 01:05:29,166 But no, they didn't care. 1152 01:05:29,166 --> 01:05:31,033 Did you know something was going on? 1153 01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:32,767 Because with all the denial here, 1154 01:05:32,767 --> 01:05:35,767 I mean, if your mom, you know, was being harassed by your uncle, 1155 01:05:35,767 --> 01:05:37,667 and you're so close, would she have talked to you about it? 1156 01:05:37,667 --> 01:05:40,033 You had no clue anything was going on? 1157 01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:43,467 I did not know that they were conspiring or anything like that. 1158 01:05:43,467 --> 01:05:47,000 Why is it so easy to believe that I could want 1159 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,233 my daughter's competition killed, 1160 01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:53,767 and not believable that two people could have got together, 1161 01:05:53,767 --> 01:05:57,433 two brothers could have gotten together and conspired to set me up? 1162 01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:00,066 I think people just believe what they see in the media, 1163 01:06:00,066 --> 01:06:01,367 and you're guilty. 1164 01:06:01,367 --> 01:06:02,600 You're guilty. 1165 01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:04,967 I don't wanna hear your reason. 1166 01:06:04,967 --> 01:06:07,367 There's no good explanation. 1167 01:06:07,367 --> 01:06:09,233 You're guilty, and we don't like you. 1168 01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:12,133 [woman] And if Wanda Holloway is guilty of what she did, 1169 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,233 I think she is one very scary woman. 1170 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,934 [applause] 1171 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,533 It was ultimately traumatizing for me, 1172 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,300 and I think it ultimately, uh, caused me health issues. 1173 01:06:25,166 --> 01:06:27,667 I couldn't tell the truth in that moment, 1174 01:06:27,667 --> 01:06:31,667 and it was like my nerves just snapped. 1175 01:06:31,667 --> 01:06:33,467 Couldn't handle it anymore. 1176 01:06:33,467 --> 01:06:35,667 And it was a good thing it ended when it did 1177 01:06:35,667 --> 01:06:38,433 because I needed to get off that stage. 1178 01:06:43,467 --> 01:06:45,300 So, it's been a minute. 1179 01:06:46,767 --> 01:06:50,266 Is this the entrance now? 1180 01:06:50,266 --> 01:06:52,634 Yeah, it used to be a white and blue building. 1181 01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:57,700 [man] Did you like this school? 1182 01:07:00,967 --> 01:07:02,500 [Shanna] Mm-hm. 1183 01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:06,133 It was junior high, and I just... 1184 01:07:06,767 --> 01:07:09,033 I don't think anybody likes junior high. 1185 01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:14,266 I think high school was harder for me 1186 01:07:14,266 --> 01:07:16,767 when I had to first go back to ninth grade. 1187 01:07:16,767 --> 01:07:19,667 You know, starting high school is, is intimidating enough, 1188 01:07:19,667 --> 01:07:24,900 but with that stigma attached to me, it was pretty difficult. 1189 01:07:33,467 --> 01:07:35,000 Dear diary... 1190 01:07:37,266 --> 01:07:41,533 When school started back in the ninth grade, 1191 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,000 I just wanted to disappear. 1192 01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:47,700 I wanted to be left alone. 1193 01:07:50,767 --> 01:07:54,700 Everyone, without meeting her, 1194 01:07:55,867 --> 01:07:57,367 saw her as the bad guy. 1195 01:07:57,367 --> 01:08:00,367 Or at least by association, you know, 1196 01:08:00,367 --> 01:08:02,233 because it was her mother. 1197 01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:12,567 [Shanna] My locker, Amber's locker, 1198 01:08:12,567 --> 01:08:16,667 and her brother Aaron's locker were all next to each other 1199 01:08:16,667 --> 01:08:18,567 because it was alphabetical, 1200 01:08:18,567 --> 01:08:21,133 and I was Harper, they were Heath. 1201 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,800 And that was a problem. 1202 01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:29,834 We had to co-exist through the years together in classes 1203 01:08:29,900 --> 01:08:32,834 where we might have even sat by each other, 1204 01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:35,133 or whatever, but we never talked. 1205 01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,800 I think many a time I wanted to apologize, but I... 1206 01:08:46,567 --> 01:08:48,066 didn't. 1207 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,266 If somebody wanted to invite everybody to go do something, 1208 01:08:53,266 --> 01:08:55,700 you really gonna invite Amber and Shanna? 1209 01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:00,700 [Shanna] Nobody messed with me. 1210 01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:03,433 And I don't know if it's because of what my mom did and they were scared, 1211 01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:05,934 or if they were just minding their manners. 1212 01:09:07,367 --> 01:09:11,567 All of a sudden, I cared what everybody thought and then that's when 1213 01:09:11,567 --> 01:09:16,300 my life just took a turn for the worst in every possible way. 1214 01:09:22,767 --> 01:09:24,734 I lost myself. 1215 01:09:25,467 --> 01:09:26,634 Totally. 1216 01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:29,066 -[woman] Hello. -[man] Yes, go ahead. 1217 01:09:29,066 --> 01:09:30,567 [woman] Yes, I was wondering Mr. Harper, 1218 01:09:30,567 --> 01:09:33,367 are they gonna make a movie out of this story? 1219 01:09:33,367 --> 01:09:35,166 -I don't know-- -[King] I bet on it. 1220 01:09:35,166 --> 01:09:39,734 We've had over 20 offers, uh, from different people. 1221 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,767 [King] Do you wanna make a movie of this? 1222 01:09:41,767 --> 01:09:45,433 I don't know. We haven't made a final decision on that. 1223 01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:49,367 [McKinney] Tony had purported to sell, uh, 1224 01:09:49,367 --> 01:09:52,467 Shanna's and her brother's rights to HBO, 1225 01:09:52,467 --> 01:09:56,533 but the biggest problem at that time was that the temporary orders 1226 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,066 in the family law case that Tony had asked for, 1227 01:09:59,066 --> 01:10:01,533 prevented him from being able to do that on his own. 1228 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,000 They required both him and Wanda to agree to it. 1229 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,433 And Wanda had, in fact, not agreed. 1230 01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:11,333 [Shanna] I remember my dad took me out to a Steak and Ale one night. 1231 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,767 And he said we were having dinner with 1232 01:10:13,767 --> 01:10:17,133 some friends of his, I think some business associates. 1233 01:10:19,266 --> 01:10:22,333 And that was fine, um... 1234 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,266 Until they started 1235 01:10:25,266 --> 01:10:27,634 asking questions about Mom. 1236 01:10:30,166 --> 01:10:33,066 And I'm not an idiot, and I knew 1237 01:10:33,066 --> 01:10:36,033 this was more than just some friends of his 1238 01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:38,800 that were business associates having dinner with us. 1239 01:10:39,367 --> 01:10:41,800 They were television producers. 1240 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:47,867 So I went to the restroom and I got in touch with my mom. 1241 01:10:47,867 --> 01:10:53,333 And said, "Hey, we're having dinner and they're asking me questions about you. 1242 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,266 And, um, I don't know what to do." 1243 01:10:56,266 --> 01:11:00,867 She told me not to say anything, so I stopped answering their questions. 1244 01:11:00,867 --> 01:11:06,133 Later, the court appointed a lawyer for me and got it settled in family court. 1245 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:10,734 My mom had nothing to do with it. It was the judge who choose HBO, not me. 1246 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,867 I wasn't opposed to selling my rights, 1247 01:11:13,867 --> 01:11:15,567 but my dad forced the issue. 1248 01:11:15,567 --> 01:11:18,533 Because mine were gonna bring in more money. 1249 01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:21,767 Plain and simple. 1250 01:11:21,767 --> 01:11:24,934 And I still was forced to sell my movie rights. 1251 01:11:25,367 --> 01:11:27,233 Just for the record. 1252 01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:30,667 Some of the money went into a trust for me, 1253 01:11:30,667 --> 01:11:34,033 but my dad didn't get any of it. Why should he? 1254 01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:37,433 Really rubbed my dad wrong 1255 01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:40,700 that he didn't get those movie right-- that movie right money. 1256 01:11:41,367 --> 01:11:45,300 'Cause I'd hear about it years later. 1257 01:11:47,567 --> 01:11:49,467 [woman] The Positively True Adventures 1258 01:11:49,467 --> 01:11:52,533 of the Alleged Texas Cheerleader-Murdering Mom. 1259 01:11:52,767 --> 01:11:54,934 Next on HBO. 1260 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,867 -[man 1] That's terrific. -[man 2] That's great. 1261 01:11:57,867 --> 01:12:00,934 [woman] That's really the title? 1262 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,266 -I got a hold of this guy. -[laughs] Okay, what's the deal? Tell me the scoop. 1263 01:12:03,266 --> 01:12:04,867 -That's what I need to know from you. -Okay. 1264 01:12:04,867 --> 01:12:07,467 Exactly what you want done. 1265 01:12:07,467 --> 01:12:11,634 The HBO movie was, uh, it was a spoof on everybody. 1266 01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:13,567 It flattered no one. 1267 01:12:13,567 --> 01:12:16,567 Nobody came out looking good in that movie. 1268 01:12:16,567 --> 01:12:19,133 [movie Wanda] The things you do for your kids, God! 1269 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,700 Hmm. 1270 01:12:21,166 --> 01:12:22,667 This bitch is crazy. 1271 01:12:22,667 --> 01:12:24,467 I laughed. 1272 01:12:24,467 --> 01:12:26,767 I laughed. They-- 1273 01:12:26,767 --> 01:12:29,367 They made a mockery out of the case. 1274 01:12:29,367 --> 01:12:32,634 I actually liked it. I thought it was a very amusing 1275 01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:34,000 take on the drama. 1276 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,567 There's a couple of cops here and if they take me down to jail 1277 01:12:36,567 --> 01:12:40,133 for solicitation of murder, can you come get me? 1278 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,400 Hold on. Where is my husband's... 1279 01:12:44,367 --> 01:12:48,033 [Shanna] I didn't know what dark comedy was. 1280 01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:52,600 So, when I went to the movie premier in LA, 1281 01:12:52,900 --> 01:12:54,567 um, 1282 01:12:54,567 --> 01:12:58,166 I'm sitting there and there's, you know, hundreds of people 1283 01:12:58,166 --> 01:13:00,200 packed in this movie theater. 1284 01:13:01,300 --> 01:13:05,667 And, I just remember people laughing at things that I just thought, 1285 01:13:05,667 --> 01:13:09,500 "That's not even funny. And that's not even how it went." 1286 01:13:10,667 --> 01:13:13,500 Momma, when they make the movie can I play myself? 1287 01:13:15,367 --> 01:13:17,600 That's what I'm planning, sister. 1288 01:13:18,166 --> 01:13:20,934 That's what I'm planning. 1289 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,533 Holly Hunter was there, but she didn't want to speak to me. 1290 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,634 I wanted to speak to her, I just wanted to meet her. I wasn't mad at her or 1291 01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:32,567 ashamed of her performance. I thought she did her job. [laughs] You know? 1292 01:13:32,567 --> 01:13:37,467 Um, it did concern me that she didn't want to meet me. 1293 01:13:37,467 --> 01:13:41,533 It made it worse. I guess it made it more shameful. 1294 01:13:43,166 --> 01:13:44,734 So where do you keep it all? 1295 01:13:46,166 --> 01:13:50,000 You stuff it down inside somewhere, I guess. 1296 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,700 And it will eventually catch up with you if you don't deal with it. 1297 01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:02,266 [reporter 1] A Texas woman has been sentenced to ten years in prison, 1298 01:14:02,266 --> 01:14:05,100 after pleading no contest to a murder for hire scheme 1299 01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:07,266 to promote her daughter's cheerleading career. 1300 01:14:07,266 --> 01:14:09,533 [reporter 2] Holloway was sentenced with the understanding 1301 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,100 she could be out in six months. 1302 01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:16,233 [Shanna] I was in my first year of college, living with my boyfriend. 1303 01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:21,567 And my mom, she came over and sat us down, 1304 01:14:21,567 --> 01:14:26,800 she goes, "Basically, I'm gonna have to away for about six months." 1305 01:14:27,266 --> 01:14:29,233 And then, 1306 01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:32,000 you know, she said, Gatesville, which is the prison 1307 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,166 that she was, I guess, assigned to. 1308 01:14:34,166 --> 01:14:35,800 Which was super scary. 1309 01:14:36,567 --> 01:14:38,300 I was scared for her safety. 1310 01:14:39,734 --> 01:14:42,000 [McKinney] Gatesville, it pretty much housed 1311 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,900 all the women in Texas who had been sent to prison. 1312 01:14:44,967 --> 01:14:49,300 And, in some respects, the things you see on TV about prisons are very true. 1313 01:14:50,166 --> 01:14:52,233 There are a lot of gangs, 1314 01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:53,900 there's a lot of violence, 1315 01:14:53,967 --> 01:14:56,233 there's a lot of drugs. 1316 01:14:56,300 --> 01:15:00,166 It is certainly true that people in prisons who have harmed kids, 1317 01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:04,266 are treated differently by other inmates. 1318 01:15:04,266 --> 01:15:09,467 [Shanna] They assured me that she would be away from other inmates because 1319 01:15:09,467 --> 01:15:14,000 there was the fear of something happening to her in there. 1320 01:15:14,867 --> 01:15:19,367 But one of the first things I heard back is that 1321 01:15:19,367 --> 01:15:21,066 they didn't keep her separate. 1322 01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:23,300 And I just 1323 01:15:24,166 --> 01:15:25,767 lost it. 1324 01:15:25,767 --> 01:15:26,934 [static] 1325 01:15:27,867 --> 01:15:30,634 I just could just see her getting like 1326 01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:33,266 beat up, shivved. 1327 01:15:33,266 --> 01:15:36,500 And like, you know, nobody there to help her. 1328 01:15:38,266 --> 01:15:40,133 I was cussing 1329 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,333 at my grandma, which is not something I do. [laughing] 1330 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,367 "Y'all fix this! Get her attorneys to fix this. This is not what they said." 1331 01:15:48,367 --> 01:15:50,634 Like, "this is not okay, you have to do something." 1332 01:15:51,767 --> 01:15:55,600 I was so angry and scared for my mom that it just 1333 01:15:56,500 --> 01:15:57,634 came out. 1334 01:15:58,166 --> 01:16:00,734 I couldn't stay strong anymore. 1335 01:16:00,734 --> 01:16:03,133 The guilt was too much. 1336 01:16:04,834 --> 01:16:06,867 Wait, I need to back up. [sighs] 1337 01:16:06,867 --> 01:16:10,433 I need to tell you why I felt guilty. 1338 01:16:12,166 --> 01:16:15,066 And I've only told this to two people in my life before, 1339 01:16:15,066 --> 01:16:18,200 because it makes my mom look really bad. 1340 01:16:21,467 --> 01:16:27,000 I knew more about what my mom was up to than I've been letting on. 1341 01:16:30,467 --> 01:16:32,767 We were alone in the kitchen, 1342 01:16:32,767 --> 01:16:36,567 we had just had dinner and she made a comment about, 1343 01:16:36,567 --> 01:16:40,000 you know, what if something happened to Verna and Amber. 1344 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,233 We just didn't have to deal with them anymore? 1345 01:16:43,567 --> 01:16:44,967 And I'm like, 1346 01:16:45,567 --> 01:16:48,667 "What do you mean? Be more specific." 1347 01:16:48,667 --> 01:16:50,967 "You know, like, if they just like, 1348 01:16:52,367 --> 01:16:55,834 crashed off a mountain or something, off a cliff. 1349 01:16:55,834 --> 01:16:57,700 And we just didn't have to deal with them anymore." 1350 01:16:58,934 --> 01:17:01,433 And, at first, 1351 01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:05,166 I remember thinking in my mind the 1352 01:17:05,166 --> 01:17:06,967 cartoon scenario, 1353 01:17:06,967 --> 01:17:12,166 where you see these little cartoon characters going over a cliff. 1354 01:17:12,166 --> 01:17:16,867 And then, I think I was kind of taken aback and brought more to reality. 1355 01:17:16,867 --> 01:17:22,367 And visualized it like actually, something like that tragically happening. 1356 01:17:22,367 --> 01:17:27,367 And I believe I told her, "That would definitely make things easier, 1357 01:17:27,367 --> 01:17:29,800 but, you know, that's not okay." 1358 01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:34,066 And then it just kind of went quiet. 1359 01:17:34,066 --> 01:17:36,533 Because I remember thinking to myself, 1360 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,800 "She's not serious, is she? 1361 01:17:39,734 --> 01:17:42,500 Like, surely, she's not serious." 1362 01:17:43,667 --> 01:17:46,433 But then, 1363 01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:50,133 she asked if I would give my uncle her phone number at Christmas. 1364 01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:53,834 I thought that was odd. 1365 01:17:55,967 --> 01:18:01,233 The next week, she tried sneaking out of church using some lame excuse. 1366 01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:04,567 I just remember, "She's lying to me. Like, what is she doing?" Like, what-- 1367 01:18:04,567 --> 01:18:09,000 "What's going on? Is she having an affair?" [laughs] You know, I didn't know. 1368 01:18:09,066 --> 01:18:12,800 I knew something was wrong and I didn't tell anybody, but 1369 01:18:12,867 --> 01:18:14,400 who would believe me? 1370 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,867 Only person I could've thought that I could've told somebody, was my step-dad. 1371 01:18:18,867 --> 01:18:23,266 And I didn't, I didn't mention it to my step-dad, because if I had've 1372 01:18:23,266 --> 01:18:26,734 he probably would've looked at me like I was crazy. 1373 01:18:26,734 --> 01:18:28,266 [woman] Your mom, would she have talked to you about it? 1374 01:18:28,266 --> 01:18:30,467 You had no clue anything was going on? 1375 01:18:30,467 --> 01:18:34,200 Did not know that they were conspiring or anything like that. 1376 01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:38,900 [Shanna] As that kid, it all revolved around me. 1377 01:18:39,166 --> 01:18:41,000 And if I had just, 1378 01:18:41,066 --> 01:18:44,100 done better, if I'd just made it, 1379 01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:48,233 none of this would've happened. That was my punishment. 1380 01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:50,266 So maybe I sentenced myself. 1381 01:18:50,266 --> 01:18:52,900 Because I felt guilty, 1382 01:18:52,967 --> 01:18:55,800 I knew something wasn't right and I didn't stop it. 1383 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,967 Going into my 20's, 1384 01:19:02,967 --> 01:19:06,266 it would've been great had I picked up my life and 1385 01:19:06,266 --> 01:19:08,567 got going and everything 1386 01:19:08,567 --> 01:19:11,367 was dandy but it wasn't that way. 1387 01:19:11,367 --> 01:19:14,834 And a lot of that was based on the fact that my self-esteem was gone. 1388 01:19:14,834 --> 01:19:17,567 I was not the same person 1389 01:19:17,567 --> 01:19:20,066 that I had been before all of this happened. 1390 01:19:20,934 --> 01:19:24,066 I didn't know I was not mentally healthy. 1391 01:19:24,066 --> 01:19:26,133 I just stuffed things down and 1392 01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:31,567 tried to find anybody who was gonna make me whole again, you know, fix me, 1393 01:19:31,567 --> 01:19:34,233 save me, be my hero. 1394 01:19:36,567 --> 01:19:39,367 I ended up in abusive relationships. 1395 01:19:39,367 --> 01:19:43,066 And I punished myself for years. 1396 01:19:43,767 --> 01:19:45,300 I literally 1397 01:19:46,367 --> 01:19:47,800 ended up 1398 01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:51,800 in my kitchen, on the floor, 1399 01:19:53,066 --> 01:19:56,667 bawling my eyes out and just praying to God, 1400 01:19:56,667 --> 01:20:00,066 "Please just take me. I do not want to be here anymore." 1401 01:20:02,567 --> 01:20:07,467 I had no drive, I had no purpose, I had no-- 1402 01:20:07,467 --> 01:20:10,467 I just didn't have a will to be here. 1403 01:20:10,467 --> 01:20:14,734 Like, this isn't-- this can't be what I'm here for. 1404 01:20:15,867 --> 01:20:20,400 So I got off the floor, and I started life coaching myself. 1405 01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:23,533 Started focusing on my thoughts. 1406 01:20:24,667 --> 01:20:27,467 You know, is the thought that I'm having right now negative? 1407 01:20:27,467 --> 01:20:31,367 If it is, how can I change it and make it something more positive? 1408 01:20:31,367 --> 01:20:35,533 And I had to do that and do that and do that until it became a habit. 1409 01:20:37,667 --> 01:20:40,233 And then ultimately, I realized, 1410 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,133 I'm my own hero. 1411 01:20:44,767 --> 01:20:47,300 Other people are not here to make you happy. 1412 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,800 Only you can do that. 1413 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,734 [Campbell] As a reporter, I'm there on that 1414 01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,767 probably worst day of your life, when I'm covering the story. 1415 01:20:59,767 --> 01:21:03,900 And you never get to go back and say, "How'd you come out?" 1416 01:21:05,967 --> 01:21:09,266 [Maier] You know, certainly, I think Shanna's been the victim of all of this, 1417 01:21:09,266 --> 01:21:12,133 in every possible way. 1418 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,967 If there was anytime she could've stopped it, 1419 01:21:13,967 --> 01:21:15,967 it would've been when she was a three-year-old to say, 1420 01:21:15,967 --> 01:21:17,900 "Please stop making me do these things! 1421 01:21:17,967 --> 01:21:19,634 I'm not you!" 1422 01:21:21,767 --> 01:21:23,467 [Swartz] Now I have a child of my own, 1423 01:21:23,467 --> 01:21:26,567 so I'm a lot more sympathetic and empathetic 1424 01:21:26,567 --> 01:21:29,367 to a lot of her motivations, not killing someone, 1425 01:21:29,367 --> 01:21:32,867 but other-- you know, wanting the best for her child. 1426 01:21:32,867 --> 01:21:36,333 So I wonder if I did that story now, 1427 01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,700 how-- if I'd do it differently. 1428 01:21:39,734 --> 01:21:41,166 [Campbell] We're human. 1429 01:21:41,166 --> 01:21:44,500 And I think we look for answers. 1430 01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,567 "Why did she do that?" And 1431 01:21:47,567 --> 01:21:51,333 what makes you fall victim? Even if she was entrapped, 1432 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,433 what made her fall victim? 1433 01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:56,333 And I have had to come to grips with, 1434 01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,200 sometimes you just don't have 1435 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:00,700 a reason. 1436 01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:05,634 Sometimes the only explanation is that we just do dumb stuff. 1437 01:22:06,867 --> 01:22:11,800 So, um, I think Wanda Holloway in the end is just human, 1438 01:22:11,867 --> 01:22:15,900 and did dumb stuff, and I'm glad Shanna survived it. 1439 01:22:44,967 --> 01:22:47,233 [Shanna] August 1st, 2023. 1440 01:22:47,767 --> 01:22:49,367 Dear diary, 1441 01:22:49,367 --> 01:22:52,867 These days, mom and I aren't as close as we could be. 1442 01:22:52,867 --> 01:22:57,600 But I have no doubt that she and I will always be there for each other, no matter what. 1443 01:22:59,166 --> 01:23:03,133 My daughter and I have, you know, do and have a very close relationship. 1444 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,100 And I consider myself a friend, 1445 01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:07,100 as well as a parent to my children. 1446 01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:10,233 And I take a lot of pride in that fact. 1447 01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:12,333 [Shanna] We never talk about her getting arrested, 1448 01:23:12,767 --> 01:23:15,100 we never talk about the tapes, 1449 01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:18,266 we never talk about the past much. 1450 01:23:18,266 --> 01:23:21,367 When I told her I was doing this documentary, she said, 1451 01:23:21,367 --> 01:23:24,700 "Why do you wanna go bringing all that up again? Nobody got hurt." 1452 01:23:26,066 --> 01:23:27,667 "Except you." 1453 01:23:27,667 --> 01:23:29,166 [Wanda] The night that they arrested me 1454 01:23:29,166 --> 01:23:31,233 Shanna accepted that very well. 1455 01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:34,133 She took it and said, "Okay, Momma, I understand." 1456 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,967 She said, "I know you didn't do this. I know you're not this type of person." 1457 01:23:37,967 --> 01:23:43,066 [Shanna] She's starting to realize the toll this has taken on me and my life. 1458 01:23:43,066 --> 01:23:45,133 The damage it's done. 1459 01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,800 I mean that's what parents are for. 1460 01:23:46,867 --> 01:23:48,867 You know, is to see that their children's needs are met 1461 01:23:48,867 --> 01:23:51,233 and to help them in any way they can. 1462 01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:53,266 [Shanna] She knows she messed up royally. 1463 01:23:53,266 --> 01:23:57,333 And she's apologized for it more than once. 1464 01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,000 She's trying to do better now, and that's all I can ask 1465 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,500 of anyone. 1466 01:24:06,467 --> 01:24:07,867 Signed, Shanna. 124999

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