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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:47,786 --> 00:00:49,136 Smith: The '70s 2 00:00:49,223 --> 00:00:50,398 had everything... 3 00:00:50,485 --> 00:00:53,009 Sex, drugs, disco, 4 00:00:53,096 --> 00:00:55,968 and great fashion. 5 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:57,056 When I was a kid, 6 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:58,362 I used to read about halston 7 00:00:58,449 --> 00:01:01,017 in magazines 8 00:01:01,104 --> 00:01:03,672 reigning over studio 54 9 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:05,108 surrounded by beautiful models 10 00:01:05,195 --> 00:01:08,024 in a cloud of cigarette smoke. 11 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:09,678 To me, 12 00:01:09,765 --> 00:01:13,247 he was the coolest. 13 00:01:15,118 --> 00:01:16,380 - He was everything 14 00:01:16,467 --> 00:01:17,512 the '70s was. 15 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:18,513 Halston is everything 16 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,514 the '70s was. 17 00:01:19,601 --> 00:01:20,515 It was chic. 18 00:01:20,602 --> 00:01:21,602 It was fun. 19 00:01:21,646 --> 00:01:23,039 It was a little bit naughty. 20 00:01:23,126 --> 00:01:24,171 - He was a great designer, 21 00:01:24,258 --> 00:01:25,520 one of the greatest 22 00:01:25,607 --> 00:01:26,695 American designers ever. 23 00:01:26,782 --> 00:01:27,870 And the clothes 24 00:01:27,957 --> 00:01:29,045 still stand up today. 25 00:01:29,132 --> 00:01:30,177 - Halston had such 26 00:01:30,264 --> 00:01:31,526 an amazing sort of presence. 27 00:01:31,613 --> 00:01:32,527 He looked like kind of 28 00:01:32,614 --> 00:01:33,528 movie star version 29 00:01:33,615 --> 00:01:34,703 of what a designer is. 30 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:35,878 - I grew up in Hollywood, 31 00:01:35,965 --> 00:01:37,085 and nothing was as glamorous 32 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:38,140 as halston. 33 00:01:38,185 --> 00:01:39,099 - He looked 34 00:01:39,186 --> 00:01:40,100 like a matinee idol. 35 00:01:40,187 --> 00:01:41,927 He lived like a pasha. 36 00:01:42,014 --> 00:01:42,928 - All the girls 37 00:01:43,015 --> 00:01:43,929 were around him. 38 00:01:44,016 --> 00:01:44,930 They were kind of sitting 39 00:01:45,017 --> 00:01:45,931 at his feet, you know? 40 00:01:46,018 --> 00:01:46,932 And I was wondering, 41 00:01:47,019 --> 00:01:48,064 who is this guy 42 00:01:48,151 --> 00:01:48,934 that they seem to be worshiping? 43 00:01:49,021 --> 00:01:50,022 - He was the party. 44 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:51,174 It was the celebrities that 45 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:52,503 were hanging around with him. 46 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:53,635 - They danced all night 47 00:01:53,722 --> 00:01:55,071 and then they slept in the day, 48 00:01:55,158 --> 00:01:56,158 and the next night, 49 00:01:56,203 --> 00:01:57,204 they did the same thing, 50 00:01:57,291 --> 00:01:58,466 all dressed up again. 51 00:01:58,553 --> 00:01:59,597 Halston was an extremist. 52 00:01:59,684 --> 00:02:01,033 I mean, his designs were large. 53 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:02,121 He was large. 54 00:02:02,165 --> 00:02:03,210 His fun was large. 55 00:02:03,297 --> 00:02:04,211 His partying was large. 56 00:02:04,298 --> 00:02:05,212 It's unfortunate 57 00:02:05,299 --> 00:02:07,431 how it all ended. 58 00:02:07,518 --> 00:02:08,432 - His influence 59 00:02:08,519 --> 00:02:09,564 was tremendous, 60 00:02:09,651 --> 00:02:10,695 but he is a bit forgotten. 61 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:18,964 Smith: My name is 62 00:02:19,051 --> 00:02:20,923 Whitney Smith, 63 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:21,924 and I always wanted 64 00:02:22,011 --> 00:02:23,055 to make a film 65 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,056 about that glamorous, 66 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:25,449 decadent time. 67 00:02:25,536 --> 00:02:26,755 So over the next few years, 68 00:02:26,842 --> 00:02:27,756 equipped with a series 69 00:02:27,843 --> 00:02:30,454 of unfortunate haircuts, 70 00:02:30,541 --> 00:02:33,457 I set out in search of halston. 71 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,727 Smith: My first stop 72 00:02:42,814 --> 00:02:43,728 was halston's best friend 73 00:02:43,815 --> 00:02:44,947 and confidant 74 00:02:45,034 --> 00:02:47,167 the one and only 75 00:02:47,254 --> 00:02:48,254 Liza minnelli. 76 00:02:48,298 --> 00:02:49,517 As she was closer to him 77 00:02:49,604 --> 00:02:51,127 than anyone, 78 00:02:51,214 --> 00:02:52,607 it seemed like the perfect place 79 00:02:52,694 --> 00:02:54,261 to begin. 80 00:02:56,567 --> 00:02:57,568 - Like my puppy. 81 00:02:57,655 --> 00:02:59,918 My puppy is a Hollywood puppy. 82 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:02,050 She never barks. 83 00:03:03,052 --> 00:03:03,966 Uh, so is this a halston 84 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:04,967 you're wearing? 85 00:03:05,054 --> 00:03:05,968 - This blouse is, yes. 86 00:03:06,055 --> 00:03:06,969 - The blouse is? 87 00:03:07,056 --> 00:03:07,970 - And, um, these are pants 88 00:03:08,057 --> 00:03:09,057 that he designed 89 00:03:09,101 --> 00:03:10,101 a long time ago. 90 00:03:10,146 --> 00:03:11,060 - Mm-hmm. 91 00:03:11,147 --> 00:03:12,061 - They're stretch velvet. 92 00:03:12,148 --> 00:03:13,062 They're wonderful. 93 00:03:13,149 --> 00:03:14,149 - Beautiful. Can I feel? 94 00:03:15,151 --> 00:03:16,065 - Sure. 95 00:03:16,152 --> 00:03:17,066 - Very soft. 96 00:03:17,153 --> 00:03:18,153 - It is. 97 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:19,634 - What was, uh, halston like 98 00:03:19,721 --> 00:03:20,635 as a human being? 99 00:03:20,722 --> 00:03:22,202 His kind of flair? 100 00:03:22,289 --> 00:03:23,203 - He was daring 101 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:25,292 and unstoppable. 102 00:03:25,379 --> 00:03:26,989 Unstoppable. 103 00:03:27,076 --> 00:03:28,599 An all-American kid 104 00:03:28,686 --> 00:03:30,645 from the midwest. 105 00:03:30,732 --> 00:03:32,299 He made it in New York 106 00:03:32,386 --> 00:03:33,387 because he understood 107 00:03:33,474 --> 00:03:35,171 what people needed and wanted. 108 00:03:35,258 --> 00:03:36,259 He'd say, 109 00:03:36,346 --> 00:03:37,652 "you can't just do something. 110 00:03:37,739 --> 00:03:38,783 You gotta really... 111 00:03:38,870 --> 00:03:40,263 You gotta disturb 'em." 112 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:41,264 - How do you mean disturb 'em? 113 00:03:41,351 --> 00:03:42,657 - Well, he used to say, 114 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:43,658 "you gotta fuck 'em up." 115 00:03:43,745 --> 00:03:44,745 - Good for him. 116 00:03:45,747 --> 00:03:46,661 You know, 117 00:03:46,748 --> 00:03:47,662 he knew what he was doing. 118 00:03:47,749 --> 00:03:48,750 He had an eye. 119 00:03:48,837 --> 00:03:49,707 He cut the skirt differently. 120 00:03:49,794 --> 00:03:51,056 It flared beautifully. 121 00:03:51,143 --> 00:03:53,102 And he was the first person 122 00:03:53,189 --> 00:03:55,017 to be considered by Europe 123 00:03:55,104 --> 00:03:56,192 a real American 124 00:03:56,279 --> 00:03:57,324 fashion designer. 125 00:03:57,411 --> 00:03:58,325 - And what was it like, 126 00:03:58,412 --> 00:03:59,326 you know, when you would 127 00:03:59,413 --> 00:04:00,544 hang out with halston, 128 00:04:00,631 --> 00:04:01,545 you know, during a... 129 00:04:01,632 --> 00:04:02,546 - Wonderful. 130 00:04:02,633 --> 00:04:03,547 - Yeah. 131 00:04:03,634 --> 00:04:04,722 - I don't know. 132 00:04:04,809 --> 00:04:05,723 We... we just were so close. 133 00:04:05,810 --> 00:04:06,724 He was my big brother. 134 00:04:06,811 --> 00:04:07,725 I loved him. 135 00:04:07,812 --> 00:04:08,726 I trusted him. 136 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:09,901 He protected me. 137 00:04:09,988 --> 00:04:10,902 He was my family. 138 00:04:10,989 --> 00:04:11,903 This house 139 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:12,904 that we're sitting in, 140 00:04:12,991 --> 00:04:13,905 I saw this apartment, 141 00:04:13,992 --> 00:04:15,690 and I thought, oh, my god, 142 00:04:15,777 --> 00:04:16,821 this is way too big. 143 00:04:16,908 --> 00:04:17,929 I wouldn't know what to do here. 144 00:04:17,953 --> 00:04:18,954 - Mm-hmm. 145 00:04:19,041 --> 00:04:20,347 - And I brought halston over, 146 00:04:20,434 --> 00:04:21,957 and he said, "it's perfect!" 147 00:04:22,044 --> 00:04:23,045 I said, "it's perfect?" 148 00:04:23,132 --> 00:04:24,220 - Uh-huh. 149 00:04:24,307 --> 00:04:25,221 - "What are you talkin' about?" 150 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:26,222 - He said, 151 00:04:26,309 --> 00:04:27,223 "don't worry about it. 152 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:28,310 You go off to Tahoe 153 00:04:28,355 --> 00:04:29,225 and do what you have to do." 154 00:04:29,312 --> 00:04:30,574 And they designed 155 00:04:30,661 --> 00:04:31,661 the whole apartment. 156 00:04:31,706 --> 00:04:33,882 I came home, and Mark and I 157 00:04:33,969 --> 00:04:36,363 walked in the front door, 158 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:38,930 and the whole place 159 00:04:39,017 --> 00:04:41,933 was candlelit. 160 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:43,380 There were candles on... little... 161 00:04:43,413 --> 00:04:45,241 You know, the votives... 162 00:04:45,328 --> 00:04:46,851 On every table. 163 00:04:46,938 --> 00:04:48,331 The lights were perfect. 164 00:04:48,418 --> 00:04:50,115 We walked into 165 00:04:50,202 --> 00:04:51,223 the most beautiful apartment 166 00:04:51,247 --> 00:04:53,249 I had ever seen in my life. 167 00:04:53,336 --> 00:04:54,598 And he'd gone 168 00:04:54,685 --> 00:04:56,165 to all that trouble 169 00:04:56,252 --> 00:04:57,732 and then left 170 00:04:57,819 --> 00:04:58,950 so that we could discover it 171 00:04:59,037 --> 00:05:00,387 ourselves. 172 00:05:00,474 --> 00:05:01,736 It was just beautiful. 173 00:05:01,823 --> 00:05:02,737 And then, of course, 174 00:05:02,824 --> 00:05:03,824 it was on the cover 175 00:05:03,868 --> 00:05:05,653 of "architectural digest." 176 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:06,654 - Was it? 177 00:05:06,741 --> 00:05:07,655 - Yes. 178 00:05:07,742 --> 00:05:08,742 - Really? 179 00:05:08,786 --> 00:05:09,700 - Absolutely. Big spread. 180 00:05:09,787 --> 00:05:10,788 - That's great. 181 00:05:10,875 --> 00:05:12,094 So towards the end, you know, 182 00:05:12,181 --> 00:05:13,181 you were the one person 183 00:05:13,225 --> 00:05:14,923 to really stand by his side. 184 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:15,924 - Oh, well, no, 185 00:05:16,011 --> 00:05:16,925 a lot of people did. 186 00:05:17,012 --> 00:05:18,012 - Did they? 187 00:05:18,056 --> 00:05:18,927 - Oh, sure. Elizabeth Taylor 188 00:05:19,014 --> 00:05:19,928 and all... you know, every... 189 00:05:20,015 --> 00:05:20,929 - You seemed like 190 00:05:21,016 --> 00:05:22,060 his most loyal friend. 191 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:22,931 - No, I was his closest friend. 192 00:05:23,018 --> 00:05:23,932 - Closest friend. 193 00:05:24,019 --> 00:05:24,933 - Not his most loyal. 194 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:25,934 All his friends were loyal 195 00:05:26,021 --> 00:05:26,935 who were real friends. 196 00:05:27,022 --> 00:05:27,936 You know, everybody I know 197 00:05:28,023 --> 00:05:29,154 loved him so much. 198 00:05:29,241 --> 00:05:31,331 And when he died, 199 00:05:31,418 --> 00:05:33,420 I gave him a, uh, memorial. 200 00:05:33,507 --> 00:05:34,421 - What did you sing 201 00:05:34,508 --> 00:05:35,422 at the memorial? 202 00:05:35,509 --> 00:05:36,423 Did you sing? 203 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:37,424 - No. 204 00:05:37,511 --> 00:05:38,425 - Oh, you didn't? 205 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:39,426 - It wasn't about me. 206 00:05:39,513 --> 00:05:40,731 It was about him. 207 00:05:40,818 --> 00:05:41,906 It was for him. 208 00:05:41,993 --> 00:05:43,144 - Yeah, it was very touching. 209 00:05:43,168 --> 00:05:44,256 Yeah, well, 210 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:45,495 thank you so incredibly much. 211 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:46,759 I mean, it was a great honor... 212 00:05:46,824 --> 00:05:47,912 - Okay, well, 213 00:05:47,999 --> 00:05:49,087 I'll tell you what. 214 00:05:49,174 --> 00:05:50,294 Now you have some good areas 215 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,438 to go look at. 216 00:05:51,525 --> 00:05:52,743 - Absolutely. Okay. 217 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:53,918 - Go do some research. 218 00:05:54,005 --> 00:05:55,093 Find out about stuff. 219 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:56,225 And find out about 220 00:05:56,312 --> 00:05:57,400 the solid stuff. 221 00:05:57,487 --> 00:05:58,706 Fuck the gossip. 222 00:05:58,793 --> 00:05:59,881 - I don't worry about 223 00:05:59,968 --> 00:06:01,056 the gossip, no. 224 00:06:01,143 --> 00:06:02,294 - No, this is a great American 225 00:06:02,318 --> 00:06:03,469 who changed fashion in amer... 226 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:04,712 - Absolutely, yeah. 227 00:06:04,799 --> 00:06:05,887 - He put us on the map. 228 00:06:05,974 --> 00:06:07,062 Really, I urge you 229 00:06:07,149 --> 00:06:08,300 to not go for the trashy stuff. 230 00:06:08,324 --> 00:06:09,412 You know, like you said. 231 00:06:09,499 --> 00:06:11,327 The... this stuff. 232 00:06:11,414 --> 00:06:13,808 Look behind that. 233 00:06:13,895 --> 00:06:14,939 - Yeah. 234 00:06:15,026 --> 00:06:16,985 - You gotta fuck 'em up. 235 00:06:19,204 --> 00:06:25,428 It was true. 236 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:26,777 - So, mom, what do you think 237 00:06:26,864 --> 00:06:27,864 from my past 238 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:29,016 inspired me to do this film? 239 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,477 - From your childhood... 240 00:06:30,564 --> 00:06:31,478 Childhood influences? 241 00:06:31,565 --> 00:06:32,696 - Sure. Yeah. 242 00:06:32,783 --> 00:06:34,350 - Well, let me see. 243 00:06:34,437 --> 00:06:35,351 You used to watch 244 00:06:35,438 --> 00:06:36,483 "smokey and the bandit." 245 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:37,808 [Jerry Reed's "when you're hot, 246 00:06:41,052 --> 00:06:43,925 - I know you loved the '70s, 247 00:06:44,012 --> 00:06:44,926 but I don't quite understand 248 00:06:45,013 --> 00:06:45,927 what it was 249 00:06:46,014 --> 00:06:48,364 about a fashion designer, 250 00:06:48,451 --> 00:06:49,365 although, 251 00:06:49,452 --> 00:06:50,492 now that I think about it, 252 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:51,846 you've always been interested 253 00:06:51,933 --> 00:06:52,847 in fashion. 254 00:06:52,934 --> 00:06:53,934 In fact, when we lived 255 00:06:53,978 --> 00:06:55,153 in Washington, 256 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,154 you were voted 257 00:06:56,241 --> 00:06:57,721 best-dressed list. 258 00:06:57,808 --> 00:06:58,722 - In 1989. 259 00:06:58,809 --> 00:06:59,723 - 1989. 260 00:06:59,810 --> 00:07:00,724 - Great year. 261 00:07:00,811 --> 00:07:01,811 - Mm-hmm. 262 00:07:02,813 --> 00:07:03,727 I hope it's a big success. 263 00:07:03,814 --> 00:07:04,902 Here's to you. 264 00:07:04,989 --> 00:07:05,989 - Thanks, mom. 265 00:07:06,034 --> 00:07:06,861 - So you can take care of me 266 00:07:06,948 --> 00:07:07,948 in my old age. 267 00:07:12,954 --> 00:07:13,868 Smith: While down south, 268 00:07:13,955 --> 00:07:15,043 I find out there was 269 00:07:15,130 --> 00:07:16,131 a halston archive 270 00:07:16,218 --> 00:07:17,418 buried somewhere in the depths 271 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,526 of Nashville, Tennessee. 272 00:07:19,613 --> 00:07:23,138 So I decided to investigate. 273 00:07:23,225 --> 00:07:24,922 - We're gathered today 274 00:07:25,009 --> 00:07:26,030 in the home of lipscomb center 275 00:07:26,054 --> 00:07:27,751 for spiritual renewal. 276 00:07:27,838 --> 00:07:28,752 As we commit ourselves 277 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:29,753 to the spiritual formation 278 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:30,754 of our students, 279 00:07:30,841 --> 00:07:32,234 long view, 280 00:07:32,321 --> 00:07:33,409 or as the center's director 281 00:07:33,496 --> 00:07:35,411 Carl mckelvey calls it... 282 00:07:55,387 --> 00:07:56,432 Smith: Scrapbooks, 283 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:58,434 boxes with, like, 284 00:07:58,521 --> 00:08:03,178 weird reel tapes and... 285 00:08:03,265 --> 00:08:05,572 A "vogue" cutout. 286 00:08:05,659 --> 00:08:07,269 More scrapbooks, 287 00:08:07,356 --> 00:08:10,664 press clippings. 288 00:08:16,365 --> 00:08:17,279 Smith: I don't think 289 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:18,280 anyone's been through this 290 00:08:18,367 --> 00:08:21,283 since the '80s. 291 00:08:21,370 --> 00:08:22,893 This is all that remains 292 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:26,506 of his life and work. 293 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:32,337 - It's a bit strange and ironic 294 00:08:32,424 --> 00:08:34,165 that someone who represented 295 00:08:34,252 --> 00:08:37,299 the excess of the '70s 296 00:08:37,386 --> 00:08:38,300 would end up here 297 00:08:38,387 --> 00:08:42,304 in a Bible college. 298 00:08:44,915 --> 00:08:46,177 - When we first acquired 299 00:08:46,264 --> 00:08:48,310 halston borghese, 300 00:08:48,397 --> 00:08:49,517 I don't think we were really 301 00:08:49,572 --> 00:08:50,834 totally aware 302 00:08:50,921 --> 00:08:52,619 that we had the archives. 303 00:08:52,706 --> 00:08:53,924 - Sorry. 304 00:08:54,011 --> 00:08:54,925 I don't want these doors open. 305 00:08:55,012 --> 00:08:55,926 - All right, 306 00:08:56,013 --> 00:08:57,014 you want to start again? 307 00:08:57,101 --> 00:08:58,209 'Cause I don't have the time. 308 00:08:58,233 --> 00:08:59,147 Is that it? 309 00:08:59,234 --> 00:09:00,234 - We'll be in and out. 310 00:09:01,236 --> 00:09:02,324 - I kind of stumbled 311 00:09:02,411 --> 00:09:03,499 on the archives. 312 00:09:03,586 --> 00:09:04,650 All I saw is this inventory 313 00:09:04,674 --> 00:09:05,501 that said I had, I don't know, 314 00:09:05,588 --> 00:09:06,502 58 boxes or something. 315 00:09:06,589 --> 00:09:07,503 - Mm-hmm. 316 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:08,504 - But it didn't say 317 00:09:08,591 --> 00:09:09,505 what was in the boxes. 318 00:09:09,592 --> 00:09:11,463 - Yeah. 319 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:12,551 - You can tell 320 00:09:12,595 --> 00:09:13,465 we do this a lot, can't you? 321 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:14,466 - Do you? 322 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:15,467 - Yeah. 323 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:16,643 I do fox on... on what? 324 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:18,296 Monday again? 325 00:09:18,383 --> 00:09:19,297 - Now how did it end up 326 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:20,298 at lipscomb university? 327 00:09:20,385 --> 00:09:21,299 - Well, my mother lives 328 00:09:21,386 --> 00:09:22,649 in Nashville, Tennessee. 329 00:09:22,736 --> 00:09:23,650 - Did you talk to f.I.I. 330 00:09:23,737 --> 00:09:24,999 Or any other schools? 331 00:09:25,086 --> 00:09:27,349 - Yes, f.I.I. Had some halston. 332 00:09:27,436 --> 00:09:28,524 - Mm-hmm. 333 00:09:28,611 --> 00:09:29,675 - Um, and really couldn't take 334 00:09:29,699 --> 00:09:30,439 all the... the entire archives. 335 00:09:30,526 --> 00:09:32,876 - Mm-hmm. 336 00:09:32,963 --> 00:09:33,877 - But I realized 337 00:09:33,964 --> 00:09:34,878 that I had a resource... 338 00:09:34,965 --> 00:09:35,965 - Yeah. 339 00:09:36,010 --> 00:09:37,117 - That I wanted to make sure 340 00:09:37,141 --> 00:09:38,882 was preserved. 341 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:39,969 I wanted to give it... 342 00:09:40,971 --> 00:09:42,146 - To a university 343 00:09:42,233 --> 00:09:44,366 that, um, would appreciate it. 344 00:09:44,453 --> 00:09:45,367 - Mm. 345 00:09:45,454 --> 00:09:46,542 - And I wanted some place 346 00:09:46,629 --> 00:09:47,674 that it could be 347 00:09:47,761 --> 00:09:49,023 the cornerstone 348 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:50,894 of their fashion, uh, institute. 349 00:09:50,981 --> 00:09:51,895 - Oh, that's great, yeah. 350 00:09:51,982 --> 00:09:53,027 We went 351 00:09:53,114 --> 00:09:54,114 and traveled down there, 352 00:09:54,158 --> 00:09:55,507 and, uh, we were, you know, 353 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:56,508 really blown away 354 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:57,616 by the whole presentation. 355 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,685 We opened some boxes... 356 00:09:58,772 --> 00:09:59,686 - Well, then you know... you know 357 00:09:59,773 --> 00:10:00,687 what that experience is like. 358 00:10:00,774 --> 00:10:01,688 - Absolutely. 359 00:10:01,775 --> 00:10:02,689 - It was the same thing 360 00:10:02,776 --> 00:10:03,690 that happened to me 361 00:10:03,777 --> 00:10:04,691 opening those boxes. 362 00:10:04,778 --> 00:10:05,953 - That's good, so I... 363 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:06,954 Well, that's all we needed. 364 00:10:07,041 --> 00:10:08,041 That'll be great. 365 00:10:08,085 --> 00:10:08,956 I'm glad you told the story. 366 00:10:09,043 --> 00:10:09,957 - Oh, that was easy. 367 00:10:10,044 --> 00:10:10,958 - See, wasn't that easy? 368 00:10:11,045 --> 00:10:11,959 - That was so easy. 369 00:10:12,046 --> 00:10:12,960 - See, I told you 370 00:10:13,047 --> 00:10:13,961 it would be painless. 371 00:10:14,048 --> 00:10:17,094 - Oh, dear. 372 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:20,620 - So, wanderer, 373 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:21,533 in Hollywood cinematic terms, 374 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:22,709 you're, like, the... 375 00:10:22,796 --> 00:10:24,493 The wiseman guiding me on this 376 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:26,016 incredible journey of discovery. 377 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:27,017 - Okay. 378 00:10:27,104 --> 00:10:28,323 - If that's all right. 379 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:30,455 - Absolutely. 380 00:10:30,542 --> 00:10:31,542 - So, like, um, 381 00:10:31,587 --> 00:10:33,067 so what were designers doing 382 00:10:33,154 --> 00:10:34,459 before halston came along? 383 00:10:34,546 --> 00:10:36,461 What was going on fashion-wise? 384 00:10:36,548 --> 00:10:38,725 - Fashion-wise, halston, uh, 385 00:10:38,812 --> 00:10:40,074 came along at a time 386 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:41,249 when fashion was changing. 387 00:10:41,336 --> 00:10:44,165 Until 1961, 388 00:10:44,252 --> 00:10:45,166 with the arrival 389 00:10:45,253 --> 00:10:46,167 of Jacqueline Kennedy 390 00:10:46,254 --> 00:10:47,254 in the white house, 391 00:10:47,298 --> 00:10:48,952 fashion was not Democratic. 392 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:51,041 Halston had been a milliner 393 00:10:51,128 --> 00:10:52,042 at Bergdorf Goodman 394 00:10:52,129 --> 00:10:53,217 making hats 395 00:10:53,304 --> 00:10:54,610 for the covers of "vogue," 396 00:10:54,697 --> 00:10:57,395 creating images of fantasy 397 00:10:57,482 --> 00:10:58,396 and also images 398 00:10:58,483 --> 00:11:00,094 of practicality in hats. 399 00:11:00,181 --> 00:11:02,662 His salon at Bergdorf 400 00:11:02,749 --> 00:11:03,663 was the place when women 401 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:06,404 still had to wear hats. 402 00:11:06,491 --> 00:11:07,667 So halston was assigned 403 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:08,972 by Mrs. Vreeland 404 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:10,080 to help Jacqueline Kennedy 405 00:11:10,104 --> 00:11:11,235 with her inaugural wardrobe, 406 00:11:11,322 --> 00:11:12,323 and... 407 00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:13,281 - Sorry, if I can interrupt... 408 00:11:13,368 --> 00:11:14,282 But Diana vreeland... 409 00:11:14,369 --> 00:11:15,369 Who is she exactly? 410 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:16,327 - Well, I'm gonna talk 411 00:11:16,414 --> 00:11:17,328 about halston. 412 00:11:17,415 --> 00:11:18,329 I don't want to talk about 413 00:11:18,416 --> 00:11:19,437 fashion of Diana vreeland. 414 00:11:19,461 --> 00:11:20,331 I don't want to do history, 415 00:11:20,418 --> 00:11:21,332 and so let me talk. 416 00:11:21,419 --> 00:11:22,333 Don't interrupt. 417 00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:23,334 - Okay. 418 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:24,466 - Diana vreeland 419 00:11:24,553 --> 00:11:25,573 was a fashion editor at "vogue," 420 00:11:25,597 --> 00:11:26,337 and she was a great catalyst 421 00:11:26,424 --> 00:11:27,338 for fashion. 422 00:11:27,425 --> 00:11:28,425 Mrs. Vreeland and halston 423 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:29,340 together, I think, suggested 424 00:11:29,427 --> 00:11:30,341 that Jacqueline Kennedy 425 00:11:30,428 --> 00:11:31,342 not wear a fur coat, 426 00:11:31,429 --> 00:11:32,429 but wear a cloth coat 427 00:11:32,474 --> 00:11:33,518 and then the pillbox hat. 428 00:11:33,605 --> 00:11:34,519 Halston created 429 00:11:34,606 --> 00:11:36,173 the famous pillbox hat. 430 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:38,001 It was a total turnabout 431 00:11:38,088 --> 00:11:39,002 from what the former 432 00:11:39,089 --> 00:11:40,482 first ladies would wear 433 00:11:40,569 --> 00:11:42,136 to the inaugural. 434 00:11:42,223 --> 00:11:43,137 And with that uniform, 435 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:44,138 that opened 436 00:11:44,225 --> 00:11:46,618 the world of fashion. 437 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:47,619 So what halston stood for, 438 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:48,620 even from the beginning, 439 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:50,710 was American simplicity. 440 00:11:50,797 --> 00:11:51,711 It was a time when fashion... 441 00:11:51,798 --> 00:11:52,712 [Cell phone alert playing 442 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:53,713 Daniel decatur Emmett's 443 00:11:54,844 --> 00:11:55,844 - Excuse me, Andre. 444 00:11:55,889 --> 00:11:57,107 Careful of the... 445 00:11:57,194 --> 00:11:58,108 - You should be telling him 446 00:11:58,195 --> 00:11:59,196 be careful 447 00:11:59,283 --> 00:12:00,110 about his cell phone ringing. 448 00:12:00,197 --> 00:12:01,198 I mean... I mean, 449 00:12:01,285 --> 00:12:02,112 tell him about the cell phone. 450 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:03,113 Something about... 451 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,202 - Shit. 452 00:12:05,289 --> 00:12:06,203 You're from the south. 453 00:12:06,290 --> 00:12:07,552 - Oh, am I confederate... 454 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:08,553 Did confederate soldiers 455 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,555 march or some shit? 456 00:12:11,643 --> 00:12:12,643 - It's "Dixie." 457 00:12:12,688 --> 00:12:13,602 - Oh, "Dixie." Oh, god. 458 00:12:13,689 --> 00:12:14,603 You would have that 459 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:15,604 on your cell phone. 460 00:12:15,691 --> 00:12:16,692 As we live and breathe. 461 00:12:16,779 --> 00:12:17,649 Can I have another cappuccino, 462 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:19,347 please? 463 00:12:19,434 --> 00:12:20,435 Um, 464 00:12:20,522 --> 00:12:21,629 then with Jacqueline Kennedy, 465 00:12:21,653 --> 00:12:22,567 then he decided 466 00:12:22,654 --> 00:12:23,525 to leave Bergdorf Goodman 467 00:12:23,612 --> 00:12:25,483 and go on his own 468 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,050 and do ready-to-wear 469 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:28,399 with a few investors 470 00:12:28,486 --> 00:12:29,400 and partners, 471 00:12:29,487 --> 00:12:30,487 one of them being 472 00:12:30,532 --> 00:12:31,446 a former "vogue" editor 473 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:32,708 Frances patiky Stein, 474 00:12:32,795 --> 00:12:35,102 he opened up his own business 475 00:12:35,189 --> 00:12:36,364 on the Upper East Side 476 00:12:36,451 --> 00:12:37,451 in a town house 477 00:12:37,495 --> 00:12:38,801 that became the first 478 00:12:38,888 --> 00:12:41,151 modern couture establishment 479 00:12:41,238 --> 00:12:43,371 in America. 480 00:12:43,458 --> 00:12:44,546 - Was he the first American 481 00:12:44,633 --> 00:12:45,721 haute couturiere? 482 00:12:45,808 --> 00:12:46,722 - No. 483 00:12:46,809 --> 00:12:47,723 - Couturier? 484 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:48,724 - Before halston, 485 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:49,725 there was Norman norell 486 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:50,726 who was the master, 487 00:12:50,813 --> 00:12:52,075 mainbocher... 488 00:12:53,163 --> 00:12:54,163 - She has to go sit down. 489 00:12:54,208 --> 00:12:55,208 She's distracting. 490 00:12:55,252 --> 00:12:56,166 Tell her to go sit down. 491 00:12:56,253 --> 00:12:57,167 - Sit down. 492 00:12:57,254 --> 00:12:58,294 You're ruining everything. 493 00:12:59,256 --> 00:13:00,170 Narrator: It was 494 00:13:00,257 --> 00:13:01,171 only just a few years ago 495 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:02,172 that when one thought 496 00:13:02,259 --> 00:13:03,260 of fashion designers, 497 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:04,174 names like givenchy and Chanel 498 00:13:04,261 --> 00:13:05,261 came to mind. 499 00:13:05,306 --> 00:13:06,394 But now for the first time, 500 00:13:06,481 --> 00:13:07,395 an American designer 501 00:13:07,482 --> 00:13:08,744 has appeared on the scene 502 00:13:08,831 --> 00:13:09,745 and threatens to eclipse 503 00:13:09,832 --> 00:13:10,746 even the best 504 00:13:10,833 --> 00:13:12,269 of the French masters. 505 00:13:12,356 --> 00:13:15,185 - Minimalism he invented. 506 00:13:15,272 --> 00:13:16,752 The one-note look. 507 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:18,885 Before that, people were wearing 508 00:13:18,972 --> 00:13:20,364 dressmaker suits, 509 00:13:20,451 --> 00:13:21,365 all of the great 510 00:13:21,452 --> 00:13:22,366 American designers, 511 00:13:22,453 --> 00:13:23,367 and never thought 512 00:13:23,454 --> 00:13:24,499 to just fall back 513 00:13:24,586 --> 00:13:25,866 on some elegance and simplicity. 514 00:13:25,935 --> 00:13:27,763 Halston's favorite phrase 515 00:13:27,850 --> 00:13:29,286 was "less is more." 516 00:13:29,373 --> 00:13:30,287 A girl would 517 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:31,375 come into a luncheon 518 00:13:31,462 --> 00:13:33,900 in a halston cashmere twin set 519 00:13:33,987 --> 00:13:34,901 and a skirt and a harness belt 520 00:13:34,988 --> 00:13:36,685 around her waist, 521 00:13:36,772 --> 00:13:37,686 a bangle or cuff 522 00:13:37,773 --> 00:13:38,687 from Elsa peretti 523 00:13:38,774 --> 00:13:39,774 or a silver vase 524 00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:40,732 with a little orchid in it. 525 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:41,940 Cashmere... I mean, the idea 526 00:13:41,995 --> 00:13:44,214 of 6-ply cashmere, 527 00:13:44,301 --> 00:13:45,433 I'd never heard of. 528 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,522 Halston knew his business 529 00:13:47,609 --> 00:13:48,697 from inside out. 530 00:13:48,784 --> 00:13:49,829 He absolutely knew 531 00:13:49,916 --> 00:13:51,395 what the fabrics were. 532 00:13:51,482 --> 00:13:52,396 Hammered satin... 533 00:13:52,483 --> 00:13:53,615 He knew where the best 534 00:13:53,702 --> 00:13:55,138 hammered satin came from. 535 00:13:55,225 --> 00:13:56,139 - Mm-hmm. 536 00:13:56,226 --> 00:13:57,140 - He knew everything 537 00:13:57,227 --> 00:13:59,403 about making clothes. 538 00:13:59,490 --> 00:14:00,752 When he showed his collections, 539 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,146 there was such innovation. 540 00:14:03,233 --> 00:14:04,428 He had an American sensibility 541 00:14:04,452 --> 00:14:06,149 that had never been seen before. 542 00:14:18,466 --> 00:14:20,816 - And it was innovative, 543 00:14:20,903 --> 00:14:25,516 modern, unique, original. 544 00:14:25,603 --> 00:14:26,517 I was working with... 545 00:14:26,604 --> 00:14:27,605 At the time, 546 00:14:27,692 --> 00:14:28,911 and I thought it was fabulous. 547 00:14:28,998 --> 00:14:29,912 The clothes really worked... 548 00:14:29,999 --> 00:14:33,437 Casual chic. 549 00:14:33,524 --> 00:14:34,569 - What can I do 550 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:35,720 to get to the heart of halston? 551 00:14:35,744 --> 00:14:36,658 Who should I talk to? 552 00:14:36,745 --> 00:14:37,877 - Elsa peretti. 553 00:14:37,964 --> 00:14:38,878 But I don't know 554 00:14:38,965 --> 00:14:39,879 if Elsa peretti's 555 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:40,880 gonna talk to you. 556 00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:41,881 - Why? 557 00:14:41,968 --> 00:14:42,882 - I don't know. 558 00:14:42,969 --> 00:14:43,883 Did she say she would? 559 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:44,884 - No. 560 00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:45,972 - No. 561 00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:46,886 - Well, how do I talk to her? 562 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:47,974 - It might be difficult, 563 00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:49,081 but Elsa peretti and halston... 564 00:14:49,105 --> 00:14:50,169 She was the one who created 565 00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:50,977 the simplicity of the jewelry. 566 00:14:51,064 --> 00:14:52,108 She was almost his muse. 567 00:14:52,195 --> 00:14:53,390 There you go over to Tiffany's, 568 00:14:53,414 --> 00:14:54,458 and you'll see all 569 00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:55,329 of Elsa peretti's candlesticks, 570 00:14:55,416 --> 00:14:56,330 her bone stuff, 571 00:14:56,417 --> 00:14:57,548 her diamonds by the yard. 572 00:14:57,635 --> 00:14:58,636 It was all done 573 00:14:58,723 --> 00:14:59,831 in collaboration with halston. 574 00:14:59,855 --> 00:15:00,856 She and halston 575 00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:02,205 were very, very close friends. 576 00:15:02,292 --> 00:15:03,292 Narrator: He receives 577 00:15:03,337 --> 00:15:04,207 for lunch every day upstairs 578 00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:05,208 on the third floor, 579 00:15:05,295 --> 00:15:06,209 amidst the down-filled, 580 00:15:06,296 --> 00:15:08,385 ultrasuede furniture 581 00:15:08,472 --> 00:15:09,473 the tropical plants, 582 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:10,474 the rock music, 583 00:15:10,561 --> 00:15:12,215 and the scented candles. 584 00:15:12,302 --> 00:15:13,390 At a typical lunch 585 00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:14,391 one day last week, 586 00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:15,478 he's guests were 587 00:15:15,523 --> 00:15:16,543 photographer Barry berenson, 588 00:15:16,567 --> 00:15:18,439 socialite Mrs. Douglas... 589 00:15:18,526 --> 00:15:20,528 Artist Victor Hugo, 590 00:15:20,615 --> 00:15:22,747 fashion illustrator Joe eula, 591 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:24,358 and Andy warhol superstar 592 00:15:24,445 --> 00:15:25,445 pat ast. 593 00:15:26,447 --> 00:15:27,361 - Joe eula the illustrator 594 00:15:27,448 --> 00:15:29,276 was very close to halston, 595 00:15:29,363 --> 00:15:30,538 and they were like brothers, 596 00:15:30,625 --> 00:15:32,322 and Joe eula, halston, and Elsa 597 00:15:32,409 --> 00:15:33,323 was like a triumvirate 598 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:34,411 of great talent 599 00:15:34,498 --> 00:15:36,022 and great personality. 600 00:15:36,109 --> 00:15:37,023 Unfortunately, it's too late. 601 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:38,024 You waited too late. 602 00:15:38,111 --> 00:15:39,025 You started too late. 603 00:15:39,112 --> 00:15:40,026 Joe eula has gone on 604 00:15:40,113 --> 00:15:41,027 to the great beyond. 605 00:15:41,114 --> 00:15:42,114 You should have talked 606 00:15:42,158 --> 00:15:43,246 to Joe eula at his bedside. 607 00:15:43,333 --> 00:15:44,247 You would have had 608 00:15:44,334 --> 00:15:45,248 a great story. 609 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:46,249 Working on a collection 610 00:15:46,336 --> 00:15:47,337 had to be extraordinary. 611 00:15:47,424 --> 00:15:48,251 I can imagine what it was like 612 00:15:48,338 --> 00:15:49,339 at 6:00 in the morning. 613 00:15:49,426 --> 00:15:50,340 They're still doing fittings, 614 00:15:50,427 --> 00:15:51,254 and Elsa's standing there 615 00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:52,255 being draped. 616 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:53,691 Joe eula's sketching. 617 00:15:53,778 --> 00:15:54,823 Halston's designing. 618 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:55,824 The people are running 619 00:15:55,911 --> 00:15:57,260 in and out of the rooms. 620 00:15:57,347 --> 00:15:58,522 Halston worked 621 00:15:58,609 --> 00:16:00,872 with such passion. 622 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,111 - Let's see you turn in that. 623 00:16:02,135 --> 00:16:04,572 Let's see. All right. Okay. 624 00:16:04,659 --> 00:16:05,573 - It's so soft. 625 00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:06,574 I can't believe that... 626 00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:07,661 - You're in chiffon. 627 00:16:07,705 --> 00:16:08,576 - Oh, halston, wait till you 628 00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:09,663 see me. I'm so beautiful. 629 00:16:11,448 --> 00:16:12,536 - How do you feel when you, 630 00:16:12,623 --> 00:16:13,537 say, walk into a restaurant 631 00:16:13,624 --> 00:16:14,538 in New York, 632 00:16:14,625 --> 00:16:15,539 and a lady comes in 633 00:16:15,626 --> 00:16:16,540 looking smashing 634 00:16:16,627 --> 00:16:17,541 in a halston outfit? 635 00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:19,935 - I'm very proud. 636 00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:21,023 I'm just very proud, 637 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:24,679 if somebody looks good in it. 638 00:16:29,162 --> 00:16:30,424 Smith: I had zero luck 639 00:16:30,511 --> 00:16:31,425 in tracking down 640 00:16:31,512 --> 00:16:33,688 the elusive Elsa peretti. 641 00:16:33,775 --> 00:16:35,777 I did however get a lead 642 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:36,778 on the designer 643 00:16:36,865 --> 00:16:37,909 who come consider to be 644 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,563 halston's heir apparent. 645 00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:40,564 - There could have been 646 00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:41,565 no zoran. 647 00:16:41,652 --> 00:16:42,566 There could have been 648 00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:44,786 no Donna karan or me 649 00:16:44,873 --> 00:16:46,440 or many other people 650 00:16:46,527 --> 00:16:47,527 without that man 651 00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:48,442 plugging into the aesthetic 652 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:49,443 of American fashion. 653 00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:50,531 And anybody 654 00:16:50,618 --> 00:16:52,489 that doesn't admit it should. 655 00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:54,796 This man has a body of work 656 00:16:54,883 --> 00:16:59,714 that's undeniably untouchable. 657 00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:00,715 Before we start, 658 00:17:00,802 --> 00:17:01,802 I just need one thing... 659 00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:03,848 - Yeah, sure. 660 00:17:03,935 --> 00:17:04,806 - And then we're going to talk. 661 00:17:04,893 --> 00:17:05,893 I'm all yours. 662 00:17:06,895 --> 00:17:07,809 - Yes? 663 00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:08,810 - Could you bring me 664 00:17:08,897 --> 00:17:09,897 three excedrin? 665 00:17:10,942 --> 00:17:11,856 - Thanks. 666 00:17:11,943 --> 00:17:12,857 What are you looking for? 667 00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:13,945 - Well, I was looking... 668 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:14,946 You have a picture... 669 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:15,947 This is a halston, right? 670 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:17,079 - It is. 671 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:18,080 And that's ultrasuede. 672 00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:19,081 - That's ultrasuede. 673 00:17:19,168 --> 00:17:20,213 - It's ultrasuede. 674 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:21,953 Ultrasuede is a polyester fiber 675 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:22,954 that has been 676 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:23,955 synthetically made. 677 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:25,392 It was made in Japan, 678 00:17:25,479 --> 00:17:26,567 introduced originally 679 00:17:26,654 --> 00:17:27,829 by issey miyake. 680 00:17:27,916 --> 00:17:29,004 It was halston 681 00:17:29,091 --> 00:17:30,353 who had the brilliance 682 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,528 and the insight... 683 00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:32,529 - Mm-hmm. 684 00:17:32,616 --> 00:17:33,530 - To say, "oh, my god. 685 00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:34,662 We have a synthetic that 686 00:17:34,749 --> 00:17:35,967 acts like a luxury fiber"... 687 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:37,143 - Ahh. 688 00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:38,448 - "But it's so practical." 689 00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:39,535 Because he did have 690 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:40,660 this brilliance of marrying 691 00:17:40,711 --> 00:17:42,017 practicality with luxury. 692 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:43,212 You can pop all of this stuff 693 00:17:43,236 --> 00:17:44,672 in a washer 694 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:45,803 and just hang dry it, 695 00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:46,978 and it dried perfectly 696 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,937 with the nap coming down 697 00:17:49,024 --> 00:17:50,504 and no distortion to it. 698 00:17:50,591 --> 00:17:51,505 - Uh-huh. 699 00:17:51,592 --> 00:17:52,506 - And he did 700 00:17:52,593 --> 00:17:53,507 that famous shirtwaist. 701 00:17:53,594 --> 00:17:54,594 - Shirtwaist. 702 00:17:54,638 --> 00:17:55,509 - It was a shirtwaist dress, 703 00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:56,510 and it sold 704 00:17:56,597 --> 00:17:57,511 more than any other dress 705 00:17:57,598 --> 00:17:58,598 every in history. 706 00:17:58,642 --> 00:17:59,750 He gave birth to ultrasuede. 707 00:17:59,774 --> 00:18:01,602 Revolutionary. 708 00:18:01,689 --> 00:18:02,603 The chic 709 00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:04,387 and the change in fashion 710 00:18:04,474 --> 00:18:05,910 was overnight. 711 00:18:05,997 --> 00:18:07,477 Everything was obliterated. 712 00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:09,871 Nothing looked tasteful anymore. 713 00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:10,872 Everyone flocked. 714 00:18:10,959 --> 00:18:11,873 Everyone wore 715 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,048 cashmere separates. 716 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:15,006 Everybody looked incredible. 717 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,399 Besides having 718 00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:18,619 a serious, res... deep, deep, 719 00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:19,794 deep respect for this man, 720 00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:21,839 he also gave me 721 00:18:21,926 --> 00:18:24,015 my first job in this industry. 722 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:25,495 I wasn't in the front 723 00:18:25,582 --> 00:18:26,496 saying, "divine." 724 00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:27,671 - Mm-hmm. 725 00:18:27,758 --> 00:18:28,758 - I was in the back 726 00:18:28,803 --> 00:18:29,883 working and making muslins. 727 00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:30,848 - What'd you learn from halston 728 00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:31,849 while you were working there. 729 00:18:31,936 --> 00:18:33,068 - He, one evening, 730 00:18:33,155 --> 00:18:34,939 took a pair of scissors, 731 00:18:35,026 --> 00:18:35,940 threw a bolt 732 00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:37,027 of purple silk chiffon 733 00:18:37,072 --> 00:18:39,205 on the floor... on the floor... 734 00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:40,206 Knew exactly where it was 735 00:18:40,293 --> 00:18:43,557 going to go in dimension, 736 00:18:43,644 --> 00:18:45,907 and cut into cloth, 737 00:18:45,994 --> 00:18:46,908 and he cut a dress out 738 00:18:46,995 --> 00:18:49,171 with no seams. 739 00:18:49,258 --> 00:18:50,172 There are no seams. 740 00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:51,173 It wraps around the body 741 00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:52,740 in once piece, 742 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:53,978 and the top part just catches 743 00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:55,786 at the top of the neck. 744 00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:56,787 And as a woman walks... 745 00:18:56,874 --> 00:18:57,874 - Mm. 746 00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:58,789 - It opens from down there, 747 00:18:58,876 --> 00:18:59,790 and she becomes... 748 00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:00,791 She sort of becomes naked 749 00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:03,577 in this vapor of chiffon. 750 00:19:03,664 --> 00:19:04,578 This was 751 00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:05,579 the most incredible thing 752 00:19:05,666 --> 00:19:06,710 I've ever seen in my life. 753 00:19:06,797 --> 00:19:07,798 Do you know anybody that 754 00:19:07,885 --> 00:19:08,949 can look at a piece of fabric 755 00:19:08,973 --> 00:19:10,133 and think in three dimensions 756 00:19:10,192 --> 00:19:11,237 and cut it right there 757 00:19:11,324 --> 00:19:12,455 on the floor? 758 00:19:12,542 --> 00:19:15,197 I don't. 759 00:19:34,782 --> 00:19:35,913 - Hi, how you doing? 760 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:36,914 Smith: A must stop 761 00:19:37,001 --> 00:19:38,046 on my search 762 00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:39,047 is the costume institute 763 00:19:39,134 --> 00:19:40,179 which resides 764 00:19:40,266 --> 00:19:41,180 in the heart of the met. 765 00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:42,181 In addition to throwing 766 00:19:42,268 --> 00:19:43,268 the gala of the year, 767 00:19:43,312 --> 00:19:44,226 the institute preserves 768 00:19:44,313 --> 00:19:45,227 the works 769 00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:46,620 of the greatest designers. 770 00:19:46,707 --> 00:19:47,621 - Well, here we are. 771 00:19:47,708 --> 00:19:48,622 - Hi, Harold. 772 00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:49,623 - Whitney, how are you? 773 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:50,624 Pleasure to meet you. 774 00:19:50,711 --> 00:19:51,625 - Well, thank you so much 775 00:19:51,712 --> 00:19:52,626 for your time. 776 00:19:52,713 --> 00:19:53,627 - So much of what 777 00:19:53,714 --> 00:19:54,628 made halston a genius 778 00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:55,715 is unseen in terms 779 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:57,152 of the actual clothing. 780 00:19:57,239 --> 00:19:58,153 He was no creator 781 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,111 of new forms of dress. 782 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,288 They're very simple shapes... 783 00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,725 A tank top neckline 784 00:20:04,812 --> 00:20:06,161 or a dolman sleeve. 785 00:20:06,248 --> 00:20:08,076 But where they're different 786 00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:09,077 is the way that the actual 787 00:20:09,164 --> 00:20:11,993 garment is constructed. 788 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,908 Unlike a normal caftan, 789 00:20:13,995 --> 00:20:14,909 which is cut 790 00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:15,910 on the straight grain 791 00:20:15,997 --> 00:20:16,997 and, you know, all... 792 00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:17,912 Everything aligns like this, 793 00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:18,913 well, what he's done 794 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,306 is he's played with it. 795 00:20:20,393 --> 00:20:21,829 Everything is on the bias. 796 00:20:21,916 --> 00:20:22,830 Everything is 797 00:20:22,917 --> 00:20:23,961 at a 45-degree angle. 798 00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,094 It then cleaves to all 799 00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:27,791 the high points of the body... 800 00:20:27,878 --> 00:20:29,315 The top of the hip line, 801 00:20:29,402 --> 00:20:31,926 the bust, the shoulder. 802 00:20:32,013 --> 00:20:32,927 It's an incredibly 803 00:20:33,014 --> 00:20:34,014 flattering way 804 00:20:34,058 --> 00:20:35,669 to create volume, 805 00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:36,670 constructed in a way 806 00:20:36,757 --> 00:20:37,801 that nobody had thought 807 00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:39,325 of constructing a dress before. 808 00:20:39,412 --> 00:20:41,196 If that was folded metal, 809 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:42,197 it would be 810 00:20:42,284 --> 00:20:43,546 extraordinary sculpture. 811 00:20:43,633 --> 00:20:45,766 I really regret that he himself 812 00:20:45,853 --> 00:20:47,028 never talked about 813 00:20:47,115 --> 00:20:48,856 the making of things. 814 00:20:48,943 --> 00:20:50,336 He always talked about 815 00:20:50,423 --> 00:20:52,033 the women who were wearing it. 816 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:53,252 - You are as good 817 00:20:53,339 --> 00:20:55,341 as the people you dress. 818 00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:56,690 Elizabeth Taylor, 819 00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:57,691 Jackie onassis, 820 00:20:57,778 --> 00:20:58,822 Bianca Jagger, 821 00:20:58,909 --> 00:20:59,823 Betty Ford, 822 00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:01,695 Candice Bergen. 823 00:21:01,782 --> 00:21:03,262 - He had the matrons 824 00:21:03,349 --> 00:21:05,176 and Marisa berenson. 825 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:06,177 The it girl of the moment 826 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:07,178 was wearing halston 827 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:08,179 at the same time 828 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:09,703 as Kay Graham. 829 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:10,921 And it's the same clothing. 830 00:21:11,008 --> 00:21:13,359 Who does that anymore? 831 00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:14,360 - I had one time... 832 00:21:14,447 --> 00:21:15,665 58 of 'em showed up 833 00:21:15,752 --> 00:21:16,884 in the same dress, 834 00:21:16,971 --> 00:21:18,364 which was an ultrasuede dress, 835 00:21:18,451 --> 00:21:19,669 which we sold 836 00:21:19,756 --> 00:21:20,801 a few hundred thousand of. 837 00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:21,908 But it was one of those dresses 838 00:21:21,932 --> 00:21:23,238 that worked for everybody. 839 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:24,326 - Now how important 840 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:25,588 are the beautiful people 841 00:21:25,675 --> 00:21:27,198 to a designer like yourself? 842 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:28,374 - Beautiful people 843 00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:29,592 attract attention. 844 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:30,767 They're in the newspapers, 845 00:21:30,854 --> 00:21:31,942 so therefore, they are 846 00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:33,814 your best advertisement. 847 00:21:33,901 --> 00:21:34,945 - When you won 848 00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:37,774 the academy award for "cabaret," 849 00:21:37,861 --> 00:21:38,775 what were you 850 00:21:38,862 --> 00:21:39,776 wearing that night? 851 00:21:39,863 --> 00:21:40,863 - A yellow halston dress. 852 00:21:40,908 --> 00:21:42,649 Simple tank top, long dress 853 00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:44,868 with a yellow cardigan, 854 00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:46,043 because my father's 855 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:47,306 favorite color was yellow. 856 00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:48,307 He knew that I thought 857 00:21:48,394 --> 00:21:50,091 it was good luck. 858 00:21:50,178 --> 00:21:51,092 Every time I went onstage, 859 00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:53,312 he dressed me. 860 00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:55,662 I perspire onstage. 861 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:56,663 I mean, my hair 862 00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:58,186 gets soaking wet first. 863 00:21:58,273 --> 00:21:59,361 He came backstage, 864 00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:00,667 and he went, 865 00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:01,668 "well, you're shiny, 866 00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:02,669 so you might as well 867 00:22:02,756 --> 00:22:03,670 be shiny all over." 868 00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:04,671 - Yes. 869 00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:05,672 - And he started doing 870 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:06,673 beads and sequins for me. 871 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,674 Some of those clothes 872 00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:08,761 have become so famous. 873 00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:09,719 Minimalist, simple, 874 00:22:09,806 --> 00:22:10,720 but so chic. 875 00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:11,808 - Mm-hmm. 876 00:22:30,523 --> 00:22:32,438 - Whitney, Cathy's here. 877 00:22:32,525 --> 00:22:33,656 - Hi, Cathy. 878 00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:35,658 - Hi, how are you? 879 00:22:35,745 --> 00:22:36,745 - I'm good. 880 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:37,660 - How are you? How are you? 881 00:22:37,747 --> 00:22:38,661 - We'll make this short 882 00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:39,662 and sweet. 883 00:22:39,749 --> 00:22:40,663 - Okay. 884 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:44,754 - As painless as possible. 885 00:22:44,841 --> 00:22:45,755 So tell us about 886 00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:46,842 the 1973 fashion show 887 00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:48,062 in versailles. 888 00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:49,063 Wasn't this the first time 889 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,151 an American designer had 890 00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:51,457 been asked to show in Europe? 891 00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:52,458 - Yeah. 892 00:22:52,545 --> 00:22:53,459 In America, 893 00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:54,460 everything was dominated 894 00:22:54,547 --> 00:22:55,461 by Europe... 895 00:22:55,548 --> 00:22:56,462 - Mm-hmm. 896 00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:57,463 - And by couture. 897 00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:58,464 American designers 898 00:22:58,551 --> 00:22:59,465 really were not known. 899 00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:00,466 - So the versailles show 900 00:23:00,553 --> 00:23:01,467 put him on the map 901 00:23:01,554 --> 00:23:02,468 internationally? 902 00:23:02,555 --> 00:23:03,469 - Yeah, very much. 903 00:23:03,556 --> 00:23:05,166 It was a big social thing. 904 00:23:05,253 --> 00:23:06,689 It was at versailles. 905 00:23:06,776 --> 00:23:08,038 Parties galore. 906 00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:09,125 It was arranged 907 00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:10,277 that five European designers 908 00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:11,302 would show 909 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,541 and five American designers... 910 00:23:12,565 --> 00:23:13,479 Bill blass, 911 00:23:13,566 --> 00:23:15,176 Oscar de la renta, 912 00:23:15,263 --> 00:23:16,177 Anne klein, 913 00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:17,178 halston, 914 00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:18,179 and Stephen Burrows. 915 00:23:18,266 --> 00:23:19,485 - That it happened at all 916 00:23:19,572 --> 00:23:21,182 was kind of a miracle. 917 00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:22,357 - Yeah. 918 00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:23,358 - The French didn't consider 919 00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:24,751 America anything. 920 00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:26,013 They were very theatrical. 921 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:28,015 They had scenery and staging. 922 00:23:28,102 --> 00:23:29,843 It was really kind of corny. 923 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:30,844 - Was it? 924 00:23:30,931 --> 00:23:31,931 - Yeah. 925 00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:32,889 - Excuse me. 926 00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:33,890 - Sure. 927 00:23:33,977 --> 00:23:35,022 Anything I can do to help? 928 00:23:35,109 --> 00:23:36,109 I'll try something on. 929 00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:38,025 - The French marshaled 930 00:23:38,112 --> 00:23:39,287 all of their effort 931 00:23:39,374 --> 00:23:40,482 and the best ballet dancers, 932 00:23:40,506 --> 00:23:41,855 camels and horses on the stage. 933 00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:43,204 They... they got everything. 934 00:23:43,291 --> 00:23:45,075 The Americans rolled into Paris 935 00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:46,729 without the kind of sets 936 00:23:46,816 --> 00:23:47,967 and the kind of grandiose things 937 00:23:47,991 --> 00:23:49,732 that the French had planned, 938 00:23:49,819 --> 00:23:50,864 and what made it work 939 00:23:50,951 --> 00:23:52,387 was the clothes were so simple. 940 00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:53,388 The models were great. 941 00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:54,389 They had black models. 942 00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:55,390 This was the first time 943 00:23:55,477 --> 00:24:00,134 you were seeing all this. 944 00:24:00,221 --> 00:24:01,135 - I was singing a song 945 00:24:01,222 --> 00:24:02,266 called "au revoir, Paris." 946 00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:09,138 We all waved, "good night! 947 00:24:09,186 --> 00:24:10,405 Thank you, Paris!" 948 00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:11,406 The curtain went down. 949 00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:12,493 You heard... 950 00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:16,366 And the curtain went up, 951 00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:17,847 and the... they went bananas. 952 00:24:17,934 --> 00:24:20,807 They were impressed. 953 00:24:20,894 --> 00:24:21,808 - I don't know. 954 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:22,983 They just went crazy. 955 00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:24,158 They call it 956 00:24:24,245 --> 00:24:25,159 "the battle of versailles." 957 00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:26,334 We seem to have made 958 00:24:26,421 --> 00:24:27,509 the whole evening. 959 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,208 - Oh, I remember 960 00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:32,209 Saint Laurent throwing 961 00:24:32,296 --> 00:24:33,210 his book in the air 962 00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:34,211 at the end of the show. 963 00:24:34,298 --> 00:24:35,212 He said, "we've learned 964 00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:37,563 something tonight." 965 00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:38,564 - So the Americans 966 00:24:38,651 --> 00:24:39,651 whipped the French again. 967 00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:40,783 - Well, we didn't whip 'em, 968 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,568 but we did it like Americans 969 00:24:42,655 --> 00:24:43,569 and like halston... 970 00:24:43,656 --> 00:24:45,092 Clean, direct, 971 00:24:45,179 --> 00:24:46,093 to the point... 972 00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:47,094 - Mm-hmm. 973 00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:48,095 - And effective. 974 00:24:48,182 --> 00:24:49,096 - Succinct. 975 00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:50,793 - Effective. 976 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,274 Yeah. 977 00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,589 - Hi, how you doin'? 978 00:25:03,676 --> 00:25:04,590 So we're looking 979 00:25:04,677 --> 00:25:06,809 for the halston star 980 00:25:06,896 --> 00:25:07,810 like the walk of fame 981 00:25:07,897 --> 00:25:08,942 in Hollywood, 982 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:09,899 except they have a walk of fame 983 00:25:09,986 --> 00:25:10,986 for the great designers, 984 00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:11,945 and they have stars 985 00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:13,032 on the sidewalk. 986 00:25:13,076 --> 00:25:14,121 So we're going to pay our 987 00:25:14,208 --> 00:25:16,993 respect to this great American. 988 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,994 Actually, 989 00:25:18,081 --> 00:25:18,995 I think it starts here. 990 00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:20,083 I think we missed it. 991 00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:21,084 Hi. Hi. Quick question. 992 00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:22,259 Do you know where 993 00:25:22,346 --> 00:25:23,391 the halston star is? 994 00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:24,610 - Haliston? 995 00:25:24,697 --> 00:25:25,959 - Halston. 996 00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:26,960 - Halston? 997 00:25:27,047 --> 00:25:28,047 - He has a star from 998 00:25:28,091 --> 00:25:29,211 the, like, famous designers. 999 00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:29,963 - Oh, yeah, that's right here. 1000 00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:30,964 - Okay, where... 1001 00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:31,965 - They look 1002 00:25:32,052 --> 00:25:34,358 like manhole covers. 1003 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:35,359 - It's these, um, 1004 00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:36,622 luscious manhole covers 1005 00:25:36,709 --> 00:25:38,928 that are also the stars. 1006 00:25:39,015 --> 00:25:40,103 Stephen Burrows. 1007 00:25:50,244 --> 00:25:51,506 - There it is. 1008 00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:57,251 "The '70s belonged to halston." 1009 00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:58,252 What was it like to work 1010 00:25:58,339 --> 00:25:59,340 with him in the '70s? 1011 00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:00,254 It must have been fun, though. 1012 00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:01,211 - Yeah, it was fun. 1013 00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:02,430 It was like a dream job. 1014 00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:04,998 We were at 33 union square west 1015 00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:06,347 which was the factory 1016 00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:08,218 where Andy warhol was shot. 1017 00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:09,959 We had a really small crew. 1018 00:26:10,046 --> 00:26:10,960 In the beginning, 1019 00:26:11,047 --> 00:26:12,047 Bob colacello and I 1020 00:26:12,092 --> 00:26:13,180 did just about everything. 1021 00:26:13,267 --> 00:26:14,137 We would go to the printer, 1022 00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:16,531 load the, uh, magazines, 1023 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:17,880 take 'em to newsstands, 1024 00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:18,881 um, you know, try to sell ads. 1025 00:26:18,968 --> 00:26:21,362 We did everything. 1026 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:22,885 - One of my first encounters 1027 00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:23,886 with halston 1028 00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:25,061 was in the early days 1029 00:26:25,148 --> 00:26:26,062 of interview. 1030 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:27,411 Joe eula had contributed 1031 00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:28,674 some drawings, 1032 00:26:28,761 --> 00:26:30,327 and halston wanted them back. 1033 00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:32,199 Glenn had not taken 1034 00:26:32,286 --> 00:26:33,374 very care of them. 1035 00:26:33,461 --> 00:26:34,481 They were in the layout room 1036 00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:36,159 under a pile of other stuff. 1037 00:26:36,246 --> 00:26:37,160 When he saw them all wrinkled, 1038 00:26:37,247 --> 00:26:38,118 he was just... 1039 00:26:38,205 --> 00:26:39,467 He went ballistic. 1040 00:26:39,554 --> 00:26:40,686 "How dare you treat 1041 00:26:40,773 --> 00:26:42,513 this work of a great artist 1042 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,124 like Joe eula... 1043 00:26:44,211 --> 00:26:45,125 Who does Andy think he is? 1044 00:26:45,212 --> 00:26:46,213 Does Andy think 1045 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:47,320 he's the only artist in town?" 1046 00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:48,258 I was like, 1047 00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:49,259 "no, Andy had nothing to 1048 00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:50,260 do with this, halston." 1049 00:26:50,347 --> 00:26:51,261 - Well, I think that there 1050 00:26:51,348 --> 00:26:53,046 was a mutual fascination 1051 00:26:53,133 --> 00:26:55,135 between Andy and halston. 1052 00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:56,136 I think at the beginning, 1053 00:26:56,223 --> 00:26:57,572 they were a little bit shy 1054 00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:58,573 of one another, 1055 00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:59,922 but then they soon became 1056 00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:01,228 thick as thieves. 1057 00:27:01,315 --> 00:27:02,359 Andy's entourage mixed 1058 00:27:02,446 --> 00:27:05,145 with halston's entourage. 1059 00:27:05,232 --> 00:27:06,146 - Do you think Andy 1060 00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:07,234 used halston 1061 00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:08,385 to get, like, big-name clients 1062 00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:09,473 for portraits and everything? 1063 00:27:09,497 --> 00:27:10,585 - I think that they both 1064 00:27:10,672 --> 00:27:12,500 benefitted from encountering 1065 00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:14,328 one another's circle. 1066 00:27:14,415 --> 00:27:15,416 - Well, 1067 00:27:15,503 --> 00:27:16,417 were they competing at all? 1068 00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:17,505 - Well, 1069 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:18,506 halston could be competitive. 1070 00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:19,507 I mean, he was competitive, 1071 00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:20,594 yeah, and he had to be 1072 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:22,031 in charge. 1073 00:27:22,118 --> 00:27:23,380 - So halston was independent 1074 00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:24,467 until nor... 1075 00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:25,426 - Halston was independent 1076 00:27:25,513 --> 00:27:27,036 until Norton Simon, uh, 1077 00:27:27,123 --> 00:27:28,168 came along, 1078 00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:29,038 the Norton Simon corporation... 1079 00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:30,126 - Mm-hmm. 1080 00:27:30,213 --> 00:27:31,127 - And said, "we want to buy 1081 00:27:31,214 --> 00:27:32,128 your company, 1082 00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:33,129 and we're gonna make you 1083 00:27:33,216 --> 00:27:34,130 that much bigger"... 1084 00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:35,131 Mass-produced line, 1085 00:27:35,218 --> 00:27:36,132 and fragrances, 1086 00:27:36,219 --> 00:27:38,613 and the whole thing. 1087 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,528 - Is anybody a bigger hit 1088 00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:41,655 in this business than you? 1089 00:27:41,703 --> 00:27:42,748 I mean... 1090 00:27:43,879 --> 00:27:44,943 Is there anything left that 1091 00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:46,031 doesn't have your name on it? 1092 00:27:46,055 --> 00:27:46,969 You've got luggage. 1093 00:27:47,056 --> 00:27:47,970 You've got, uh... 1094 00:27:48,057 --> 00:27:48,971 - Rugs, sheets, 1095 00:27:49,058 --> 00:27:49,972 perfume, cosmetics... 1096 00:27:50,059 --> 00:27:50,973 - Really? 1097 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:51,974 - Menswear, women's wear, 1098 00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:53,759 shoes, bags, gloves, 1099 00:27:53,846 --> 00:27:55,126 sunglasses, all kinds of things. 1100 00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:56,109 - Holy cow. 1101 00:27:56,196 --> 00:27:57,110 You wouldn't have $20 1102 00:27:57,197 --> 00:27:58,111 till payday, would you? 1103 00:27:58,198 --> 00:27:59,198 I'm a little short. 1104 00:27:59,242 --> 00:28:00,113 - I did the olympic uniforms 1105 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,767 also for our teams, 1106 00:28:01,854 --> 00:28:03,377 uniforms for braniff airlines. 1107 00:28:03,464 --> 00:28:04,639 I did 1108 00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:06,989 the girl scouts of America. 1109 00:28:07,076 --> 00:28:08,164 - There was talk even 1110 00:28:08,251 --> 00:28:09,165 of designing a uniform 1111 00:28:09,252 --> 00:28:10,166 for New York's finest. 1112 00:28:10,253 --> 00:28:11,646 - Oh, yes. 1113 00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:12,647 - Do these garments 1114 00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:14,301 and these wonderful ideas 1115 00:28:14,388 --> 00:28:15,432 that you... 1116 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:16,583 You and your company generate... 1117 00:28:16,607 --> 00:28:18,522 Do they ever get to penney's? 1118 00:28:20,481 --> 00:28:21,351 - It started off, you know, 1119 00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:22,352 it seemed 1120 00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:23,658 like it was a great deal. 1121 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:24,659 I don't know how many millions 1122 00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:25,660 they paid him. 1123 00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:26,661 But he actually sold 1124 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:27,748 the rights to his name. 1125 00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:29,011 And I remember him saying, 1126 00:28:29,098 --> 00:28:30,143 "oh, I love 1127 00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:31,144 the Norton Simon people. 1128 00:28:31,231 --> 00:28:32,798 You know why I love them? 1129 00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:33,885 They're so tall." 1130 00:28:34,887 --> 00:28:35,801 - And it was like, 1131 00:28:35,888 --> 00:28:36,802 David mahoney was tall... 1132 00:28:36,889 --> 00:28:38,238 The chairman... 1133 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:39,239 But David mahoney wasn't 1134 00:28:39,326 --> 00:28:40,326 the chairman forever. 1135 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:41,458 Halston was 1136 00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:42,590 knocked down to earth. 1137 00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:43,504 That was, like, the last phrase 1138 00:28:43,591 --> 00:28:44,505 you would use 1139 00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:45,506 to describe halston. 1140 00:28:45,593 --> 00:28:46,593 He wanted everything 1141 00:28:46,637 --> 00:28:47,551 to be glamorous, 1142 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:48,552 everything to be divine. 1143 00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:49,553 He was a Taurus, 1144 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,685 so he should have been 1145 00:28:50,772 --> 00:28:52,165 more down-to-earth than he was, 1146 00:28:52,252 --> 00:28:53,296 but... 1147 00:28:53,383 --> 00:28:54,383 - So what'd you think? 1148 00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:55,342 - Yeah, it went very well. 1149 00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:58,911 - Congratulations. 1150 00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:05,091 - Wait, do you see that shot? 1151 00:29:05,178 --> 00:29:06,179 It's kind of cool. 1152 00:29:06,266 --> 00:29:07,136 - Hi, Paul. 1153 00:29:07,223 --> 00:29:11,184 - Whitney. 1154 00:29:11,271 --> 00:29:12,185 Smith: In the world 1155 00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:13,403 of licensing, 1156 00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:14,665 halston was a visionary. 1157 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:15,666 So I went to interview 1158 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:16,754 Paul wilmot 1159 00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:17,625 who ran his perfume division 1160 00:29:17,712 --> 00:29:19,670 at the time. 1161 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:20,671 - They tried 1162 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,195 this big experiment. 1163 00:29:22,282 --> 00:29:23,544 It was a big idea. 1164 00:29:23,631 --> 00:29:24,632 What would happen 1165 00:29:24,719 --> 00:29:25,546 if a big company would come in 1166 00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:26,633 and just maximize 1167 00:29:26,677 --> 00:29:28,375 what his business could be? 1168 00:29:28,462 --> 00:29:29,550 So they got the footwear 1169 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:30,551 and handbags 1170 00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:31,508 and, uh, carpeting. 1171 00:29:31,595 --> 00:29:32,509 - What kind of carpet? 1172 00:29:32,596 --> 00:29:33,510 It wasn't shag. It was... 1173 00:29:33,597 --> 00:29:34,511 - No, it wasn't shag. 1174 00:29:34,598 --> 00:29:35,469 It wasn't 1175 00:29:35,556 --> 00:29:36,644 out of "Austin powers." 1176 00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:37,731 - My name is halston. 1177 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,081 I'm known for the clothes 1178 00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:40,213 I design. 1179 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:41,214 And just as clothes 1180 00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:42,302 dress a woman, 1181 00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:43,869 carpet should dress your home. 1182 00:29:43,956 --> 00:29:44,870 - Because it was 1183 00:29:44,957 --> 00:29:46,001 such a new thing, 1184 00:29:46,088 --> 00:29:47,742 everybody went licensing happy. 1185 00:29:47,829 --> 00:29:48,829 They explored 1186 00:29:48,874 --> 00:29:50,179 a lot of different avenues. 1187 00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:51,180 - Rayon... 1188 00:29:51,267 --> 00:29:52,312 It's going to be with us 1189 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:53,399 a long, long time. 1190 00:29:53,443 --> 00:29:54,357 - So not to get ahead, 1191 00:29:54,444 --> 00:29:55,358 was it the perfume 1192 00:29:55,445 --> 00:29:56,359 that kind of carried it? 1193 00:29:56,446 --> 00:29:57,446 - The perfume was... 1194 00:29:57,491 --> 00:29:58,491 Was actually 1195 00:29:58,535 --> 00:29:59,406 from the moment it launched, 1196 00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:00,407 it was the cash cow. 1197 00:30:00,494 --> 00:30:01,408 The story... 1198 00:30:01,495 --> 00:30:02,496 It was well known 1199 00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:03,497 and it was part of the lore 1200 00:30:03,584 --> 00:30:04,624 of the cosmetics industry. 1201 00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:05,736 Some way, somehow halston also 1202 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,674 came up with the idea 1203 00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:08,284 of this teardrop bottle, 1204 00:30:08,371 --> 00:30:09,416 and they also brought 1205 00:30:09,503 --> 00:30:10,765 a teardrop to the glass stopper 1206 00:30:10,852 --> 00:30:11,766 and everything. 1207 00:30:11,853 --> 00:30:12,893 It became, and it still is 1208 00:30:12,941 --> 00:30:14,595 today, an iconic brand. 1209 00:30:14,682 --> 00:30:16,684 - It took two and half years 1210 00:30:16,771 --> 00:30:18,642 to develop that fragrance, 1211 00:30:18,729 --> 00:30:19,643 and then making 1212 00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:20,730 an original bottle. 1213 00:30:20,775 --> 00:30:21,689 One of the most innovative 1214 00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:23,386 things that we did in that 1215 00:30:23,473 --> 00:30:25,171 was not put our name on it. 1216 00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:28,609 That was never done before. 1217 00:30:28,696 --> 00:30:29,610 - Halston... 1218 00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:30,611 He didn't like words. 1219 00:30:30,698 --> 00:30:31,742 He didn't write at all. 1220 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:32,700 You know, he always used to say, 1221 00:30:32,787 --> 00:30:33,788 "words fuck me up." 1222 00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:34,920 So that's why we never had 1223 00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:36,245 an verbiage in our ad campaigns. 1224 00:30:36,269 --> 00:30:37,269 We never had any... 1225 00:30:37,313 --> 00:30:38,314 He didn't like the words. 1226 00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:39,465 So when it came down to coming 1227 00:30:39,489 --> 00:30:41,230 up with a men's fragrance thing, 1228 00:30:41,317 --> 00:30:43,145 he found two that he liked. 1229 00:30:43,232 --> 00:30:44,146 And he couldn't make a decision 1230 00:30:44,233 --> 00:30:45,278 between the two of them. 1231 00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:46,453 So he decided that he was 1232 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:47,628 gonna launch both of them 1233 00:30:47,715 --> 00:30:48,629 at the same time, 1234 00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:49,630 which no one had 1235 00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:50,631 ever done before. 1236 00:30:50,718 --> 00:30:51,632 And he couldn't figure out 1237 00:30:51,719 --> 00:30:52,633 a name for 'em, 1238 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,634 so they had working titles 1239 00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:54,635 with the fragrances, 1240 00:30:54,722 --> 00:30:55,636 and the one working title 1241 00:30:55,723 --> 00:30:56,637 was z-14, 1242 00:30:56,724 --> 00:30:58,595 and the other was 1-12. 1243 00:30:58,682 --> 00:30:59,683 And they... they became 1244 00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:01,468 the name of the fragrances. 1245 00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:02,817 - One is sort of the sexy, 1246 00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:04,863 you know, sensuous category. 1247 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:06,734 One is the crème fraîche 1248 00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:07,909 category. 1249 00:31:07,996 --> 00:31:09,432 I think it depends very much 1250 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,565 upon the man. 1251 00:31:11,652 --> 00:31:12,958 - Z-14 and 1-12. 1252 00:31:13,045 --> 00:31:14,785 - Sounds like a Camaro. 1253 00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:15,786 - I know. 1254 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:16,962 It was like a... 1255 00:31:17,049 --> 00:31:18,050 It was like a car thing. 1256 00:31:18,137 --> 00:31:19,337 This is halston at his best... 1257 00:31:19,399 --> 00:31:20,399 Hittin' on all cylinders. 1258 00:31:20,443 --> 00:31:22,532 Z-14 became as common a term 1259 00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:23,664 as Chanel no5 1260 00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:24,795 or anything like that. 1261 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:26,034 And the halston perfume company 1262 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:27,276 be-became one of the great 1263 00:31:27,363 --> 00:31:30,236 success stories of the '70s 1264 00:31:30,323 --> 00:31:32,673 and the '80s. 1265 00:31:42,074 --> 00:31:43,205 - As halston's empire 1266 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:44,292 kept expanding, 1267 00:31:44,337 --> 00:31:45,860 the king needed a castle. 1268 00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:48,558 And that castle... 1269 00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,865 The olympic tower. 1270 00:31:50,952 --> 00:31:52,736 - The... the... the big moment 1271 00:31:52,823 --> 00:31:54,564 was when he moved up 1272 00:31:54,651 --> 00:31:55,565 to, you know, 1273 00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:56,566 the fabulous showroom 1274 00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:57,567 and offices 1275 00:31:57,654 --> 00:31:58,699 at the olympic tower. 1276 00:32:06,054 --> 00:32:06,968 - He took this one, uh, 1277 00:32:07,055 --> 00:32:07,969 continuous space. 1278 00:32:08,056 --> 00:32:08,970 It was really almost 1279 00:32:09,057 --> 00:32:09,971 like an atrium. 1280 00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:11,058 It was on the 21st floor, 1281 00:32:11,103 --> 00:32:13,757 and the studio was trisected 1282 00:32:13,844 --> 00:32:15,020 by two sets 1283 00:32:15,107 --> 00:32:17,413 of pocket-frame doors 1284 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,372 that slipped into the wall. 1285 00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:22,549 The doors were $500,000. 1286 00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:23,550 So if you want to adjust 1287 00:32:23,637 --> 00:32:24,725 to today, 1288 00:32:24,812 --> 00:32:25,726 it would be like $5 million 1289 00:32:25,813 --> 00:32:28,424 for the doors. 1290 00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:29,599 They were mirrored 1291 00:32:29,686 --> 00:32:30,731 on both sides, 1292 00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:32,646 and the walls were mirrored, 1293 00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:33,821 so the entire thing 1294 00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,737 reflected around. 1295 00:32:36,824 --> 00:32:37,912 - Why don't you 1296 00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,261 just turn around a little bit, 1297 00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:41,829 and let's see how it moves. 1298 00:32:41,916 --> 00:32:42,916 Yeah, that looks good. 1299 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,488 - It was like being 1300 00:32:48,575 --> 00:32:49,880 in a glass box in a way. 1301 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:53,623 It was so strange. 1302 00:33:04,678 --> 00:33:05,592 - Oh, I have to 1303 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:06,593 talk about the makeup. 1304 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,768 - What? Talk about what? 1305 00:33:07,855 --> 00:33:08,769 - About the makeup, 1306 00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:09,770 because this view 1307 00:33:09,857 --> 00:33:10,771 is something we used 1308 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:13,774 to put our makeup on. 1309 00:33:13,861 --> 00:33:15,297 The twin towers... 1310 00:33:15,384 --> 00:33:17,038 When the twin towers were there, 1311 00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,605 that was my focus point. 1312 00:33:18,692 --> 00:33:19,780 - What do you mean 1313 00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:20,781 your focus point? 1314 00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:21,782 - Well, when I was 1315 00:33:21,869 --> 00:33:22,783 on the runway, 1316 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:23,740 I'd always look 1317 00:33:23,827 --> 00:33:24,698 at the twin towers. 1318 00:33:24,785 --> 00:33:25,655 - Oh, yeah? 1319 00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:29,485 - Yeah. 1320 00:33:29,572 --> 00:33:30,486 He used to call me 1321 00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:31,966 "the moth"... halston. 1322 00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:33,054 The moth, 'cause I would 1323 00:33:33,141 --> 00:33:35,317 fly to the light... 1324 00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:37,580 All the time. 1325 00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:38,755 I see a moth 1326 00:33:38,842 --> 00:33:41,062 in the window now right there. 1327 00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:42,542 It's climbing up. 1328 00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:43,630 And there he goes. 1329 00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:44,805 That's me. 1330 00:33:44,892 --> 00:33:50,376 That's to remind me. 1331 00:33:50,463 --> 00:33:52,595 You feel really high. 1332 00:33:52,682 --> 00:33:54,641 You feel above it all, 1333 00:33:54,728 --> 00:33:55,642 above all the torture, 1334 00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:57,992 the pedestrian life. 1335 00:33:58,079 --> 00:33:59,341 And being close 1336 00:33:59,428 --> 00:34:00,516 to St. Patrick's cathedral, 1337 00:34:00,603 --> 00:34:01,909 he always use to say things 1338 00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:04,607 like, "I feel totally blessed. 1339 00:34:04,694 --> 00:34:06,087 I don't have to go to church. 1340 00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:09,525 It's right across the street." 1341 00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:10,633 - So how's it feel coming back 1342 00:34:10,657 --> 00:34:11,571 to olympic tower? 1343 00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:12,572 - It feels kind of spooky, 1344 00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:14,139 like it's another century. 1345 00:34:14,226 --> 00:34:15,662 It really is literally 1346 00:34:15,749 --> 00:34:18,839 another century. 1347 00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:22,538 - Yeah, that looks good, Karen. 1348 00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:30,938 - This is pat Cleveland 1349 00:34:31,025 --> 00:34:31,939 who's been all over the world 1350 00:34:32,026 --> 00:34:32,940 with us, 1351 00:34:33,027 --> 00:34:33,941 and this is Connie cook 1352 00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:35,028 who was born and raised 1353 00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:35,986 in Detroit. 1354 00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:37,423 And... 1355 00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:41,166 She's from the midwest also. 1356 00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:42,515 - We have some questions, 1357 00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:45,170 so right to the questions now. 1358 00:34:45,257 --> 00:34:46,127 - Yes, I was wondering 1359 00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:47,085 if any of your models 1360 00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:48,521 ever have breasts. 1361 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,785 - Yes, they do. 1362 00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:54,483 Yes, they all do. 1363 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:55,571 - He didn't want 1364 00:34:55,658 --> 00:34:57,051 a bunch of blank-faced models. 1365 00:34:57,138 --> 00:34:58,052 He wanted girls 1366 00:34:58,139 --> 00:34:59,401 with personality. 1367 00:34:59,488 --> 00:35:00,402 - I want, uh, 1368 00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:01,534 darker skinned girls, 1369 00:35:01,621 --> 00:35:02,970 and I want blondes and brunettes 1370 00:35:03,057 --> 00:35:04,711 and redheads and this and that, 1371 00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:05,798 and they... 1372 00:35:05,842 --> 00:35:06,713 And the best girl I can get 1373 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,062 who can walk with pride, 1374 00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:09,063 and these are the top girls 1375 00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:10,978 in America. 1376 00:35:11,065 --> 00:35:12,632 - It was about attitude. 1377 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,460 It was about the way you walked. 1378 00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:16,462 It was abut character. 1379 00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:17,637 Or at least that's what 1380 00:35:17,724 --> 00:35:19,204 I like to think I brought to it. 1381 00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:21,771 He was not totally unimpressed 1382 00:35:21,858 --> 00:35:23,208 with my provenance, and... 1383 00:35:24,818 --> 00:35:26,211 - I always liked to act, 1384 00:35:26,298 --> 00:35:27,212 so... 1385 00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:28,213 - Uh-huh. 1386 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:29,170 - For me, it was fun 1387 00:35:29,257 --> 00:35:30,258 to be confrontational. 1388 00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:31,607 I used to come out and kind of 1389 00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:32,694 challenge the editors, 1390 00:35:32,739 --> 00:35:33,739 look them in the eyes, 1391 00:35:33,783 --> 00:35:34,697 do all of the things 1392 00:35:34,784 --> 00:35:36,090 that you shouldn't do. 1393 00:35:36,177 --> 00:35:37,700 The first time I did a show, 1394 00:35:37,787 --> 00:35:38,832 I remember getting 1395 00:35:38,919 --> 00:35:39,920 to the end of the runway 1396 00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:43,097 and doing something like this. 1397 00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:45,665 Halston asked me to come over. 1398 00:35:45,752 --> 00:35:46,816 And he said, "I don't want you 1399 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,668 to raise your arms like that." 1400 00:35:48,755 --> 00:35:49,756 We don't do that 1401 00:35:49,843 --> 00:35:51,061 in halston shows. 1402 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,062 The next day, there was 1403 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:54,674 a big article about me, 1404 00:35:54,761 --> 00:35:55,805 I think in 1405 00:35:55,892 --> 00:35:56,956 the "Christian science monitor." 1406 00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:58,765 With a big photograph of me... 1407 00:36:00,027 --> 00:36:01,115 - Like this. 1408 00:36:01,202 --> 00:36:02,116 - Yeah. 1409 00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:03,117 - And then halston said, 1410 00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:04,204 "that's all right. 1411 00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:05,250 Do what you want." 1412 00:36:05,337 --> 00:36:06,251 - You can do it. 1413 00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:07,252 Did you get along with 1414 00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:08,253 all the girls? Any cat... 1415 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:09,254 Catfighting or anything? 1416 00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:10,603 - Oh, no, there was 1417 00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:11,604 no catfighting ever. 1418 00:36:11,691 --> 00:36:12,866 We were like a clan. 1419 00:36:12,953 --> 00:36:13,953 At some point, 1420 00:36:13,997 --> 00:36:14,997 somebody called us 1421 00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:16,565 "the halstonettes," 1422 00:36:16,652 --> 00:36:17,740 and so we happily became 1423 00:36:17,827 --> 00:36:19,220 the halstonettes. 1424 00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:20,178 - They call them 1425 00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:21,309 halstonettes. 1426 00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:22,180 - Well, I think some people do. 1427 00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:23,181 Women's wear 1428 00:36:23,268 --> 00:36:24,573 does that sometimes. 1429 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:25,660 - Do they? 1430 00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:26,749 - "The ultra-ettes." 1431 00:36:26,836 --> 00:36:28,490 I-I called them the ultra-ettes 1432 00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:29,577 or the halstonettes. 1433 00:36:29,622 --> 00:36:30,536 - You coined that phrase, 1434 00:36:30,623 --> 00:36:31,537 though. 1435 00:36:31,624 --> 00:36:32,625 - I coined that phrase 1436 00:36:32,712 --> 00:36:33,539 in "interview" magazine and... 1437 00:36:33,626 --> 00:36:34,540 Thank god you've done 1438 00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:35,628 your homework on that. 1439 00:36:35,715 --> 00:36:36,629 They, um, because they 1440 00:36:36,716 --> 00:36:37,716 moved around in a pack, 1441 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,674 like, you know, there's 1442 00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:39,675 the rat pack in Hollywood. 1443 00:36:39,762 --> 00:36:40,807 They moved around en masse 1444 00:36:40,894 --> 00:36:41,934 like the courts of Europe, 1445 00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:43,133 like the people at versailles 1446 00:36:43,157 --> 00:36:44,071 moved en masse from one place 1447 00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:45,072 to the other. 1448 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:46,160 Halston went 1449 00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:47,770 with his entourage everywhere. 1450 00:36:47,857 --> 00:36:49,052 - When you think of entourage, 1451 00:36:49,076 --> 00:36:49,990 you think of... 1452 00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:51,077 I think of two designers. 1453 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:51,992 You think of Saint Laurent, 1454 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:52,993 and you think of halston. 1455 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,080 - I think he always had 1456 00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:54,995 that great world around him, 1457 00:36:55,082 --> 00:36:55,996 you know? 1458 00:36:56,083 --> 00:36:56,997 And then he came here... 1459 00:36:57,084 --> 00:36:57,998 He came here. 1460 00:36:58,085 --> 00:36:59,086 Somebody gave a party 1461 00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:00,173 for him here, 1462 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:01,131 and there was a reception 1463 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:02,132 committee at the door, 1464 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,220 and somebody said to... 1465 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:04,178 I think it was 1466 00:37:04,265 --> 00:37:05,345 prince Rupert lowenstein... 1467 00:37:05,397 --> 00:37:06,833 "This is halston," 1468 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,834 and it's so 1469 00:37:07,921 --> 00:37:09,531 like a Butler's name, 1470 00:37:09,618 --> 00:37:10,532 that Rupert lowenstein 1471 00:37:10,619 --> 00:37:11,664 took off his coat 1472 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:12,534 and said, "thank you, halston," 1473 00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:13,621 and gave it to him. 1474 00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:15,668 How did halston react? 1475 00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:16,930 - Absolutely astonished. 1476 00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:19,018 - He dropped the coat 1477 00:37:19,062 --> 00:37:19,976 immediately, I think, 1478 00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:20,977 and shook hands 1479 00:37:21,064 --> 00:37:22,064 with Princess Margaret. 1480 00:37:23,415 --> 00:37:24,546 - "Thank you, halston," 1481 00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:25,852 became a sort of phrase 1482 00:37:25,939 --> 00:37:26,853 we used all the time 1483 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:28,028 from then on when... 1484 00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:29,159 If we saw him out, 1485 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,487 we'd say, "thank you, halston." 1486 00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:32,119 - Are you famous? 1487 00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:33,120 - Oh, 1488 00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:34,295 I guess you could say so. 1489 00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:37,124 I guess I'm a known personality. 1490 00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:38,560 - So that makes you famous? 1491 00:37:38,647 --> 00:37:40,780 - I guess so. 1492 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,271 - There was this big event 1493 00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:54,272 in acapulco. 1494 00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:55,708 Braniff airlines 1495 00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:56,883 had asked halston to design 1496 00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:58,885 the stewardess' uniforms 1497 00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:00,016 and the interiors 1498 00:38:00,103 --> 00:38:01,714 of braniff airlines' new planes. 1499 00:38:01,801 --> 00:38:02,715 And they did 1500 00:38:02,802 --> 00:38:03,803 this huge promotion. 1501 00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:04,891 They flew 1502 00:38:04,978 --> 00:38:07,023 a couple of hundred socialites 1503 00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:08,111 down to acapulco. 1504 00:38:08,198 --> 00:38:09,983 Lady bird Johnson was there. 1505 00:38:10,070 --> 00:38:11,245 The kissingers were there, 1506 00:38:11,332 --> 00:38:12,899 Sao schlumberger from Paris, 1507 00:38:12,986 --> 00:38:14,901 like a village of socialites 1508 00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:16,250 all competing. 1509 00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:17,337 Halston was there 1510 00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,732 with about 20 models. 1511 00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:21,690 They would always be late. 1512 00:38:21,777 --> 00:38:22,691 And if it was a lunch 1513 00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:23,823 on the beach, 1514 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:24,824 the would arrive 1515 00:38:24,911 --> 00:38:26,391 an hour late on some yacht 1516 00:38:26,478 --> 00:38:28,044 and they'd all file off. 1517 00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:29,263 They would all be in blue. 1518 00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:30,264 Then that night, 1519 00:38:30,351 --> 00:38:31,351 they'd come filing in 1520 00:38:31,396 --> 00:38:33,702 to some dinner all in red. 1521 00:38:33,789 --> 00:38:34,984 I mean, he was just one dramatic 1522 00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:37,097 entrance after another. 1523 00:38:39,273 --> 00:38:41,623 - Hey, who's that lucky guy? 1524 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:43,886 - How do you do? 1525 00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:44,887 I'm halston. 1526 00:38:44,974 --> 00:38:45,888 - I'm happy 1527 00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:46,889 to have you with us. 1528 00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:47,976 Did you know that halston 1529 00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:49,327 is the first American designer 1530 00:38:49,414 --> 00:38:50,284 to bring high fashion 1531 00:38:50,371 --> 00:38:51,416 to mainland China? 1532 00:38:51,503 --> 00:38:52,417 - Yes, every now and again, 1533 00:38:52,504 --> 00:38:53,418 it is good 1534 00:38:53,505 --> 00:38:54,897 to get out of the office. 1535 00:38:56,377 --> 00:38:57,291 - I certainly like 1536 00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:58,466 the way you travel. 1537 00:38:58,553 --> 00:38:59,424 - You pack the same way I do... 1538 00:38:59,511 --> 00:39:00,947 Only take what you need. 1539 00:39:01,034 --> 00:39:02,296 - Just the bare essentials. 1540 00:39:08,868 --> 00:39:09,956 - Mmm, butter. 1541 00:39:11,044 --> 00:39:12,132 - It's not butter. 1542 00:39:20,532 --> 00:39:23,665 - Hi, I'm Nancy Talbot 1543 00:39:23,752 --> 00:39:24,666 from Brooklyn, New York. 1544 00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:27,277 Good morning, America! 1545 00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:28,278 - Good morning, everybody. 1546 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:29,279 It's Thursday. 1547 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,367 It's the 2nd of October. 1548 00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:31,456 Halston has just come back 1549 00:39:31,543 --> 00:39:32,979 from eight days in China. 1550 00:39:33,066 --> 00:39:34,284 Uh, he presented 1551 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:35,523 the first American fashion show 1552 00:39:35,547 --> 00:39:36,765 to the Chinese, 1553 00:39:36,852 --> 00:39:37,940 and halston's with us 1554 00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:38,941 this morning. Good morning. 1555 00:39:39,028 --> 00:39:39,942 - Thank you. Good morning. 1556 00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:40,943 - Everyone had 1557 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:41,944 their own set of luggage 1558 00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:43,031 as a gift. 1559 00:39:43,076 --> 00:39:43,946 He was using the new fabric 1560 00:39:44,033 --> 00:39:45,774 ultrasuede on everything. 1561 00:39:45,861 --> 00:39:47,863 We all had an entire wardrobe, 1562 00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:49,822 and we had a schedule. 1563 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:50,909 It said what you wore 1564 00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:52,259 at what hour. 1565 00:39:52,346 --> 00:39:53,260 We changed clothes 1566 00:39:53,347 --> 00:39:55,436 at least five times a day. 1567 00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:56,698 - It was like, what, 1980? 1568 00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:57,873 - It was closed, yeah. 1569 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,040 - Yeah, it was closed then. 1570 00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,092 - It was not a thing 1571 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,157 that you could do so easily. 1572 00:40:01,181 --> 00:40:02,095 - What was the purpose 1573 00:40:02,182 --> 00:40:03,096 of the trip? 1574 00:40:03,183 --> 00:40:04,097 - You know, we were trying 1575 00:40:04,184 --> 00:40:05,185 to make trade with China 1576 00:40:05,272 --> 00:40:06,186 and visit all the, uh, 1577 00:40:06,273 --> 00:40:07,187 silk factories. 1578 00:40:07,274 --> 00:40:09,189 - Oh, yeah? 1579 00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:10,364 - It was very difficult 1580 00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:11,496 at the beginning, 1581 00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:12,845 because it wouldn't open up. 1582 00:40:12,932 --> 00:40:14,020 Yes, you would design 1583 00:40:14,107 --> 00:40:15,195 something for it. 1584 00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:16,370 Is it that complicated 1585 00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:19,068 to change the patterns? 1586 00:40:19,155 --> 00:40:21,027 Is that possible? 1587 00:40:21,114 --> 00:40:22,202 The formalities 1588 00:40:22,289 --> 00:40:23,508 surprised me a bit. 1589 00:40:23,595 --> 00:40:24,857 They're very shy, 1590 00:40:24,944 --> 00:40:26,032 and their... their culture 1591 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:27,207 doesn't permit them 1592 00:40:27,294 --> 00:40:28,382 to be as open as we are 1593 00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:31,951 as Americans. 1594 00:40:32,038 --> 00:40:33,126 All of a sudden, 1595 00:40:33,213 --> 00:40:34,257 one of the girls stood up, 1596 00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:35,433 and she walked around, 1597 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,627 and they started looking at it. 1598 00:40:36,651 --> 00:40:37,889 And then another one walked up, 1599 00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,064 so I've got all these assistants 1600 00:40:39,088 --> 00:40:40,176 to bring everything in, 1601 00:40:40,263 --> 00:40:41,351 and they were like children 1602 00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:42,744 with new toys. 1603 00:40:42,831 --> 00:40:46,356 It was just bedlam. 1604 00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:49,969 - It was 1605 00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:53,233 an absolute breakthrough. 1606 00:40:56,976 --> 00:40:58,020 - I considered it 1607 00:40:58,107 --> 00:40:59,544 a great compliment 1608 00:40:59,631 --> 00:41:02,547 that she wanted to put it on. 1609 00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:03,809 - He met with 1610 00:41:03,896 --> 00:41:05,016 all the top business people, 1611 00:41:05,071 --> 00:41:06,222 and they were all dressed alike 1612 00:41:06,246 --> 00:41:09,554 in gray uniform. 1613 00:41:09,641 --> 00:41:10,859 It was very much part 1614 00:41:10,946 --> 00:41:12,339 of being who he was... 1615 00:41:12,426 --> 00:41:14,036 An American. 1616 00:41:14,123 --> 00:41:16,299 He went to China for America. 1617 00:41:16,386 --> 00:41:17,475 He went to versailles 1618 00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:18,824 for America. 1619 00:41:18,911 --> 00:41:22,262 He did everything for America. 1620 00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:23,263 Did you meet him? 1621 00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:24,264 - No, unh-unh. 1622 00:41:24,351 --> 00:41:25,265 - Have you met him? 1623 00:41:25,352 --> 00:41:26,266 Kind of... he looked 1624 00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:27,353 kind of like you. 1625 00:41:28,355 --> 00:41:29,269 - He looks like me? 1626 00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:30,270 - Yeah, kind of like you, 1627 00:41:30,357 --> 00:41:31,271 you know? 1628 00:41:31,358 --> 00:41:32,272 - How is that? 1629 00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:33,273 - Well, in a black suit... 1630 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,360 He always wore black. 1631 00:41:34,404 --> 00:41:35,275 He had kind of longish hair 1632 00:41:35,362 --> 00:41:36,276 like that, uh... 1633 00:41:36,363 --> 00:41:37,277 - Mm-hmm. That's good. 1634 00:41:37,364 --> 00:41:38,278 Well, thank you. That's... 1635 00:41:38,365 --> 00:41:39,279 - And he always wore 1636 00:41:39,366 --> 00:41:41,324 a turtleneck. 1637 00:41:47,461 --> 00:41:48,549 Smith: Standing in front 1638 00:41:48,636 --> 00:41:50,029 of halston's house, 1639 00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:51,204 I can only imagine 1640 00:41:51,291 --> 00:41:52,379 what it must have been like 1641 00:41:52,466 --> 00:41:53,617 to be at the height of it all, 1642 00:41:53,641 --> 00:41:54,860 king of New York. 1643 00:42:25,934 --> 00:42:27,022 - Oh, my god. 1644 00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:28,197 - Hi. Sorry. 1645 00:42:28,284 --> 00:42:29,372 We got poured on. 1646 00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:30,548 Yeah, that's all right. 1647 00:42:30,635 --> 00:42:31,853 - Oh, okay. 1648 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:33,028 Uh, he's still waiting 1649 00:42:33,115 --> 00:42:34,203 for... 1650 00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:35,378 - I have the luxury 1651 00:42:35,465 --> 00:42:36,554 of having 1652 00:42:36,641 --> 00:42:37,859 the only contemporary house 1653 00:42:37,946 --> 00:42:39,034 in New York City built 1654 00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:40,209 since the second world war, 1655 00:42:40,296 --> 00:42:41,863 which is a really supermodern 1656 00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:43,561 push-button life kind of house. 1657 00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:45,214 It has a 30-foot-high ceiling, 1658 00:42:45,301 --> 00:42:46,868 and a 60-foot-long sitting room, 1659 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:48,043 and a big fireplace. 1660 00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,218 At the end of it 1661 00:42:49,305 --> 00:42:50,393 is a big bamboo greenhouse 1662 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,569 and so forth. 1663 00:42:51,656 --> 00:42:52,657 It's a dream really. 1664 00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:53,962 - Hi. 1665 00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:55,050 I've seen a photograph 1666 00:42:55,137 --> 00:42:56,182 of your apartment, 1667 00:42:56,269 --> 00:42:57,270 your living room, 1668 00:42:57,357 --> 00:42:58,358 and it was done 1669 00:42:58,445 --> 00:42:59,489 in monochromatic grays. 1670 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:00,578 Did you design that? 1671 00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:01,729 - I didn't design the house. 1672 00:43:01,753 --> 00:43:03,033 It's a major architectural house 1673 00:43:03,058 --> 00:43:04,190 designed by Paul Rudolph, 1674 00:43:04,277 --> 00:43:05,365 who's one of the great 1675 00:43:05,452 --> 00:43:06,540 American architects. 1676 00:43:06,627 --> 00:43:08,934 But the gray is my idea, yes. 1677 00:43:09,021 --> 00:43:12,372 It just... it brings people out. 1678 00:43:12,459 --> 00:43:13,547 - So would 1679 00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:14,742 the dinner parties be here or... 1680 00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:16,028 - Dinner parties would be here 1681 00:43:16,115 --> 00:43:17,235 if it was small or a buffet. 1682 00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:18,378 And you went to sit 1683 00:43:18,465 --> 00:43:19,553 all over the room 1684 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,748 where... wherever you chose from. 1685 00:43:20,772 --> 00:43:21,990 Smith: Anyone who's anyone 1686 00:43:22,077 --> 00:43:24,558 was in halston's living room, 1687 00:43:24,645 --> 00:43:25,925 and no one was more on the scene 1688 00:43:25,994 --> 00:43:27,648 than boaz mazor, 1689 00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:29,432 who agreed to meet us here. 1690 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:30,433 You think 1691 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,434 those couches are original 1692 00:43:31,521 --> 00:43:32,435 from the halston time? 1693 00:43:32,522 --> 00:43:33,436 'Cause it's kind of 1694 00:43:33,523 --> 00:43:34,437 his gray monochrome. 1695 00:43:34,524 --> 00:43:35,525 - You know something? 1696 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:36,633 It's very funny, because they 1697 00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:37,721 were more or less like that. 1698 00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:38,809 It's very much characteristic 1699 00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:39,442 to what we would sit down on. 1700 00:43:39,529 --> 00:43:40,443 It was very low, 1701 00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:41,706 very low lighting, 1702 00:43:41,793 --> 00:43:43,272 candles all over the place. 1703 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:44,273 - Candles? 1704 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,274 - Yeah. 1705 00:43:45,361 --> 00:43:46,406 And that place there 1706 00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:47,276 were you see all these trees... 1707 00:43:47,363 --> 00:43:48,364 - Mm-hmm. 1708 00:43:48,451 --> 00:43:49,714 - Was thousands and thousands 1709 00:43:49,801 --> 00:43:51,933 of orchids. 1710 00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:53,718 The death trap, of course, 1711 00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:55,545 was this staircase. 1712 00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:56,721 I mean, if you 1713 00:43:56,808 --> 00:43:58,418 were a little bit too drunk 1714 00:43:58,505 --> 00:43:59,593 or too high... 1715 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,942 - Mm-hmm. 1716 00:44:01,029 --> 00:44:02,180 - You might have not finished 1717 00:44:02,204 --> 00:44:03,292 the night. 1718 00:44:03,379 --> 00:44:04,467 I don't know if there 1719 00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:05,643 was a lawsuit those days 1720 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:06,948 against somebody. 1721 00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:11,736 - But I think that if my... 1722 00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:16,654 Smith: What first 1723 00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:17,781 intrigued me about halston 1724 00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:19,047 were stories of the legendary 1725 00:44:19,134 --> 00:44:21,441 dinner parties he used to give, 1726 00:44:21,528 --> 00:44:23,356 all these incredible people 1727 00:44:23,443 --> 00:44:24,523 reveling in the last throws 1728 00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:28,143 of decadence... 1729 00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:29,405 Yves Saint Laurent, 1730 00:44:29,492 --> 00:44:30,493 beatty, bacall. 1731 00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:31,625 When the current owner 1732 00:44:31,712 --> 00:44:32,713 bought the house 1733 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,975 from halston's estate... 1734 00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:35,107 Salvador dalí. 1735 00:44:35,194 --> 00:44:36,258 He kept these warhol polaroids 1736 00:44:36,282 --> 00:44:37,283 hanging right here. 1737 00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:38,414 Miss Liz's birthday 1738 00:44:38,501 --> 00:44:39,633 with probably Betty Ford 1739 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:40,982 somewhere. 1740 00:44:41,069 --> 00:44:42,157 A brilliant monument 1741 00:44:42,244 --> 00:44:44,246 to a lost era. 1742 00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:45,453 Definitely get Bianca Jagger 1743 00:44:45,508 --> 00:44:46,684 shaving her armpit there. 1744 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:47,989 That's an important piece 1745 00:44:48,076 --> 00:44:51,601 of history. 1746 00:44:55,649 --> 00:44:56,650 - Jackie o. Discoing 1747 00:44:56,737 --> 00:44:58,130 at 54. 1748 00:44:58,217 --> 00:44:59,784 There's Bob colacello 1749 00:44:59,871 --> 00:45:02,003 and Truman capote. 1750 00:45:02,090 --> 00:45:03,178 Boaz, so tell me the story 1751 00:45:03,265 --> 00:45:04,310 behind this picture. 1752 00:45:04,397 --> 00:45:05,485 What's going on here? 1753 00:45:05,572 --> 00:45:06,723 - Well, this was... here I am, 1754 00:45:06,747 --> 00:45:08,009 young boy, all eager to go out. 1755 00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:09,204 As you can see, at this point, 1756 00:45:09,228 --> 00:45:10,316 I didn't even own 1757 00:45:10,403 --> 00:45:11,491 a leather jacket, 1758 00:45:11,578 --> 00:45:12,622 to my surprise. 1759 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:13,711 Philip niarchos 1760 00:45:13,798 --> 00:45:14,838 was a holding a cigarette. 1761 00:45:14,886 --> 00:45:16,104 I hate to say it, 1762 00:45:16,191 --> 00:45:17,192 but it was a joint. 1763 00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:18,324 They airbrushed 1764 00:45:18,411 --> 00:45:21,327 a whole real cigarette longer. 1765 00:45:21,414 --> 00:45:23,024 I don't think this was as long. 1766 00:45:23,111 --> 00:45:24,460 It was much shorter. 1767 00:45:24,547 --> 00:45:25,548 So this was a group 1768 00:45:25,635 --> 00:45:28,769 out on the town to... 1769 00:45:28,856 --> 00:45:29,856 To conquer the city. 1770 00:45:32,425 --> 00:45:33,513 It was a wonderful time. 1771 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,514 - What does it feel like 1772 00:45:34,601 --> 00:45:35,515 coming back here? 1773 00:45:35,602 --> 00:45:36,516 Is it like... 1774 00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:37,603 - No, it's very... 1775 00:45:37,647 --> 00:45:38,518 - Bring back old memories... 1776 00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:39,693 - Oh, yes. Oh, yes. 1777 00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:40,801 - Or is it like a different... 1778 00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:41,845 - Well, you know, it's life 1779 00:45:41,869 --> 00:45:42,740 is gone, and we have... have... 1780 00:45:42,827 --> 00:45:43,523 Of course, I don't know 1781 00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:44,524 who can replace halston. 1782 00:45:44,611 --> 00:45:45,611 - Yeah. 1783 00:45:45,655 --> 00:45:46,526 - There was enormous energy 1784 00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:47,527 there. 1785 00:45:47,614 --> 00:45:48,614 - Mm-hmm. 1786 00:45:48,658 --> 00:45:49,529 - There was enormous energy 1787 00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:50,530 all over New York. 1788 00:45:50,617 --> 00:45:51,531 - Well, 1789 00:45:51,618 --> 00:45:52,532 how do we get it back? 1790 00:45:52,619 --> 00:45:53,533 - Oh, nothing comes back. 1791 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:54,534 - Really? 1792 00:45:54,621 --> 00:45:55,535 - Nothing comes back. 1793 00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:56,536 - So you think that's it? 1794 00:45:56,623 --> 00:45:57,623 - I think we... we lived 1795 00:45:57,667 --> 00:45:58,538 in a very exclusive moment. 1796 00:45:58,625 --> 00:45:59,539 - Yeah, I think so. 1797 00:45:59,626 --> 00:46:00,540 Yeah. 1798 00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:02,368 - I really do. 1799 00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:03,543 - Did you ever go 1800 00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:04,544 to some of the dinner parties 1801 00:46:04,631 --> 00:46:05,545 there? 1802 00:46:05,632 --> 00:46:06,632 - Mm-hmm. 1803 00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:08,548 - What, you can't talk 1804 00:46:08,635 --> 00:46:09,635 about that, either? 1805 00:46:10,637 --> 00:46:11,551 - No. You can't. 1806 00:46:11,638 --> 00:46:12,638 - Really? 1807 00:46:12,682 --> 00:46:13,553 Well, it must have been fun, 1808 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,554 though. 1809 00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:15,641 - Fun's the word. 1810 00:46:16,643 --> 00:46:17,557 - It was all part 1811 00:46:17,644 --> 00:46:18,558 of that halston moment. 1812 00:46:18,645 --> 00:46:19,559 - You said, 1813 00:46:19,646 --> 00:46:20,560 "when hedonism was chic." 1814 00:46:20,647 --> 00:46:21,561 - When hedonism was chic. 1815 00:46:21,648 --> 00:46:22,648 - Really? 1816 00:46:22,692 --> 00:46:23,606 - It's not... it wasn't about 1817 00:46:23,693 --> 00:46:24,607 the food. 1818 00:46:24,694 --> 00:46:25,608 - No, absolutely not. 1819 00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:26,609 It's about the... about 1820 00:46:26,696 --> 00:46:27,610 the clothes. 1821 00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:28,698 - No, it wasn't about 1822 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:29,612 the clothes at a dinner party. 1823 00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:30,613 - I was just kidding. 1824 00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:36,097 - Turn that off. 1825 00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:37,229 Smith: So halston 1826 00:46:37,316 --> 00:46:38,317 had this boyfriend around 1827 00:46:38,404 --> 00:46:39,405 for the longest time 1828 00:46:39,492 --> 00:46:40,536 called Victor Hugo. 1829 00:46:40,623 --> 00:46:41,687 - Victor Hugo was so bad... 1830 00:46:41,711 --> 00:46:42,819 You know, the painter friend. 1831 00:46:42,843 --> 00:46:43,844 - Victor Hugo, 1832 00:46:43,931 --> 00:46:45,106 who was crazy as a bedbug. 1833 00:46:45,193 --> 00:46:46,301 - What was up with Victor Hugo? 1834 00:46:46,325 --> 00:46:47,239 - Oh, he was just as bad 1835 00:46:47,326 --> 00:46:48,240 as bad can be. 1836 00:46:48,327 --> 00:46:49,241 - What does he do? 1837 00:46:49,328 --> 00:46:50,242 He's an artist, you know. 1838 00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:51,243 I never knew 1839 00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:52,244 if he sold anything. 1840 00:46:52,331 --> 00:46:53,245 - Victor Hugo was like 1841 00:46:53,332 --> 00:46:54,332 the classic court Jester. 1842 00:46:54,376 --> 00:46:55,421 Smith: No one personified 1843 00:46:55,508 --> 00:46:57,597 halston's crazy energy 1844 00:46:57,684 --> 00:46:58,772 more than Victor Hugo, 1845 00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:01,253 his lover and alter ego. 1846 00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:02,428 And I was about to meet 1847 00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:03,603 one of the people 1848 00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:04,734 who knew him best... 1849 00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:06,432 '70s survivor ming vauze. 1850 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:07,607 - Hey, how are you? 1851 00:47:07,694 --> 00:47:09,435 - So Victor Hugo... 1852 00:47:09,522 --> 00:47:10,673 What was his actual relationship 1853 00:47:10,697 --> 00:47:11,697 with halston? 1854 00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:12,830 I mean, what was there... 1855 00:47:12,917 --> 00:47:14,135 What was the dynamic? 1856 00:47:14,222 --> 00:47:15,310 - Uh, well, uh, obviously, 1857 00:47:15,397 --> 00:47:17,312 there's, uh, it's tempestuous, 1858 00:47:17,399 --> 00:47:18,792 but it's also love. 1859 00:47:18,879 --> 00:47:21,142 It's two dynamic personalities. 1860 00:47:21,229 --> 00:47:22,229 Roy halston frowick 1861 00:47:22,274 --> 00:47:24,232 is a midwestern boy 1862 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:25,320 from Indiana, 1863 00:47:25,407 --> 00:47:26,582 and Victor Hugo 1864 00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:28,933 is from Caracas, Venezuela, 1865 00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:30,140 and he came here actually... 1866 00:47:30,195 --> 00:47:31,065 - Wait. What's his real name... 1867 00:47:31,152 --> 00:47:32,937 Victor Hugo's real name? 1868 00:47:33,024 --> 00:47:33,938 - Victor Hugo rojas... 1869 00:47:34,025 --> 00:47:34,939 R-o-j-a-s. 1870 00:47:35,026 --> 00:47:36,244 - So it wasn't after 1871 00:47:36,331 --> 00:47:37,811 the... the French author? 1872 00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:38,812 - In a way. 1873 00:47:38,899 --> 00:47:39,813 - Yeah? 1874 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:40,814 - I think he likes 1875 00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:41,815 that confusion. 1876 00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:42,816 People go, "oh, you're 1877 00:47:42,903 --> 00:47:43,903 Victor Hugo, the writer?" 1878 00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:44,818 - It's also a play on words, 1879 00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:45,819 because supposedly, 1880 00:47:45,906 --> 00:47:46,820 he had one of the huge... 1881 00:47:46,907 --> 00:47:47,821 - Exactly. Exactly. 1882 00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:48,822 - You know, o-okay. 1883 00:47:48,909 --> 00:47:49,823 So let me ask, 1884 00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:50,824 who was ming vauze? 1885 00:47:50,911 --> 00:47:51,912 - That was me. 1886 00:47:51,999 --> 00:47:52,826 - Was that your nom de plume, 1887 00:47:52,913 --> 00:47:53,827 nom de guerre? 1888 00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:54,828 - That was actually 1889 00:47:54,915 --> 00:47:55,915 a Victor creation. 1890 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:56,874 - Was it? 1891 00:47:56,961 --> 00:47:57,875 - He always encouraged me. 1892 00:47:57,962 --> 00:47:58,876 "Why don't you get onstage 1893 00:47:58,963 --> 00:48:00,616 and do some lip-synching 1894 00:48:00,703 --> 00:48:01,704 for fun?" 1895 00:48:01,791 --> 00:48:02,792 - Oh, yeah. 1896 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,706 - So I said, "what stage name 1897 00:48:03,793 --> 00:48:04,838 should I have?" 1898 00:48:04,925 --> 00:48:05,946 And he gave me miss ming vauze. 1899 00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:08,494 But the vauze is v-a-u-z-e. 1900 00:48:08,581 --> 00:48:10,496 He claimed it's the Puerto Rican 1901 00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:13,325 way of spelling that. 1902 00:48:13,412 --> 00:48:14,532 That was probably 1978, '79. 1903 00:48:14,587 --> 00:48:16,676 - Okay. 1904 00:48:16,763 --> 00:48:17,851 So he was just, like, 1905 00:48:17,938 --> 00:48:19,263 hitting his stride then... Victor? 1906 00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:20,395 - He was on the height of that, 1907 00:48:20,419 --> 00:48:21,507 yeah. 1908 00:48:21,594 --> 00:48:22,682 Every picture 1909 00:48:22,769 --> 00:48:23,857 of the halston group, 1910 00:48:23,944 --> 00:48:24,989 you'll see him in there, 1911 00:48:25,076 --> 00:48:26,338 and also his windows 1912 00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:27,426 are getting very famous. 1913 00:48:27,513 --> 00:48:28,427 - Yeah, what kind of windows 1914 00:48:28,514 --> 00:48:29,534 was he doing with halston? 1915 00:48:29,558 --> 00:48:30,951 - Like, he would do a window 1916 00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:33,519 of a woman giving birth, 1917 00:48:33,606 --> 00:48:35,477 but it's over a course 1918 00:48:35,564 --> 00:48:37,001 of seven days. 1919 00:48:37,088 --> 00:48:38,393 Like, he changes the window 1920 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,742 every day a little bit... 1921 00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:40,918 - Mm-hmm. 1922 00:48:41,005 --> 00:48:42,223 - Until, the last day, 1923 00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:43,398 it gave birth. 1924 00:49:11,992 --> 00:49:13,037 - All his references 1925 00:49:13,124 --> 00:49:14,386 are kind of like surreal 1926 00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:17,302 and related to childhood. 1927 00:49:17,389 --> 00:49:18,540 I think that's very primitive. 1928 00:49:18,564 --> 00:49:21,610 - Interesting. 1929 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,600 - Hi, my name is Victor Hugo. 1930 00:49:26,659 --> 00:49:28,008 Je m'appelle estvictor Hugo. 1931 00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:29,314 I'm here because, um, 1932 00:49:29,401 --> 00:49:31,490 I was a great friend of Andy. 1933 00:49:31,577 --> 00:49:32,665 - What was Andy's appeal 1934 00:49:32,752 --> 00:49:33,840 or what was his fascination 1935 00:49:33,927 --> 00:49:35,015 with Victor? 1936 00:49:35,102 --> 00:49:36,321 - Andy really likes Victor 1937 00:49:36,408 --> 00:49:37,496 a lot. 1938 00:49:37,583 --> 00:49:38,671 He has that edge 1939 00:49:38,758 --> 00:49:41,413 people don't have today. 1940 00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:42,501 He would be helping Andy 1941 00:49:42,588 --> 00:49:43,589 with the sex parts, 1942 00:49:43,676 --> 00:49:44,720 the serious sex parts. 1943 00:49:44,807 --> 00:49:45,808 - What was that? 1944 00:49:45,895 --> 00:49:46,940 - Tits, ass, cock, 1945 00:49:47,027 --> 00:49:48,028 and all of that stuff. 1946 00:49:48,115 --> 00:49:49,290 - What was 1947 00:49:49,377 --> 00:49:50,291 the most outrageous thing 1948 00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:51,466 he ever did? 1949 00:49:51,553 --> 00:49:52,641 - I remember, like, 1950 00:49:52,728 --> 00:49:53,848 he wanted to do chicken art. 1951 00:49:53,903 --> 00:49:55,557 He put red paint underneath, 1952 00:49:55,644 --> 00:49:57,429 uh, on the chicken's paws 1953 00:49:57,516 --> 00:49:58,604 and then have them walk 1954 00:49:58,691 --> 00:50:00,040 all over blank canvases. 1955 00:50:00,127 --> 00:50:01,955 It was the biggest mess. 1956 00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:03,087 - Didn't he masturbate 1957 00:50:03,174 --> 00:50:04,436 into a chicken on live TV? 1958 00:50:04,523 --> 00:50:05,611 - Probably he did. 1959 00:50:05,698 --> 00:50:06,786 I didn't know that part. 1960 00:50:06,873 --> 00:50:07,961 - It was, like, 1961 00:50:08,048 --> 00:50:09,156 some fake chicken he brought out 1962 00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:10,374 and I guess started jerking off 1963 00:50:10,398 --> 00:50:11,443 into it. 1964 00:50:12,618 --> 00:50:13,619 - How close were you 1965 00:50:13,706 --> 00:50:14,750 to halston? 1966 00:50:14,837 --> 00:50:15,901 - As... as close as to having 1967 00:50:15,925 --> 00:50:17,033 my own bedroom between the two 1968 00:50:17,057 --> 00:50:20,626 in montauk for two summers. 1969 00:50:20,713 --> 00:50:21,713 - That's pretty close. 1970 00:50:22,845 --> 00:50:23,629 - There's gotta be some stories 1971 00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:24,630 behind that. 1972 00:50:24,717 --> 00:50:25,631 - Yeah. 1973 00:50:25,718 --> 00:50:26,632 Well, those stories 1974 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,633 should just go to grave. 1975 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:28,634 I think they're... they're... 1976 00:50:28,721 --> 00:50:29,635 Don't you think? 1977 00:50:29,722 --> 00:50:30,636 That's better sometimes. 1978 00:50:30,723 --> 00:50:31,723 - That makes sense, yeah. 1979 00:50:32,725 --> 00:50:33,639 - Oh, thank you. 1980 00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:34,640 - Great. Thanks again. 1981 00:50:34,727 --> 00:50:35,641 Nice meeting you. 1982 00:50:35,728 --> 00:50:39,514 - A pleasure. 1983 00:50:44,867 --> 00:50:45,955 - You know halston, 1984 00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:47,131 the big designer? 1985 00:50:47,218 --> 00:50:48,436 - Mm-hmm. 1986 00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:49,611 - His seamstress was here 1987 00:50:49,698 --> 00:50:50,786 the other night 1988 00:50:50,873 --> 00:50:52,025 with Calvin klein's chauffeur. 1989 00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:54,486 Lots of biggies! 1990 00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:55,661 [The weather girls' 1991 00:50:56,836 --> 00:50:57,916 - We're your weather girls. 1992 00:51:25,952 --> 00:51:27,040 Smith: I wondered 1993 00:51:27,127 --> 00:51:28,235 if halston's minimalist designs 1994 00:51:28,259 --> 00:51:29,477 were some kind of reaction 1995 00:51:29,564 --> 00:51:33,177 to the insanity around him. 1996 00:51:33,264 --> 00:51:34,439 I needed to find out more 1997 00:51:34,526 --> 00:51:35,788 about the dark side of New York 1998 00:51:35,875 --> 00:51:37,050 in the '70s, 1999 00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:38,182 and this idea 2000 00:51:38,269 --> 00:51:44,101 that Rome was burning. 2001 00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:45,493 [Mendelssohn's "wedding march 2002 00:51:59,594 --> 00:52:00,682 - Could you do 2003 00:52:00,769 --> 00:52:01,770 "in-a-gadda-da-vida"? 2004 00:52:01,857 --> 00:52:02,902 - Oh, that's, uh... 2005 00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:21,225 - That's some juice. 2006 00:52:22,617 --> 00:52:23,618 - Yep. 2007 00:52:23,705 --> 00:52:25,533 That's my new baby. 2008 00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:26,771 - So in your song "big shot," 2009 00:52:26,795 --> 00:52:28,449 you mention halston. 2010 00:52:28,536 --> 00:52:29,624 Was that kind of like 2011 00:52:29,711 --> 00:52:30,831 your reaction against disco, 2012 00:52:30,886 --> 00:52:31,966 or how did that come about? 2013 00:52:32,018 --> 00:52:33,058 - "They were all impressed 2014 00:52:33,106 --> 00:52:34,107 with your halston dress, 2015 00:52:34,194 --> 00:52:35,302 and the people that you knew 2016 00:52:35,326 --> 00:52:36,327 at Elaine's." 2017 00:52:36,414 --> 00:52:38,590 Well, halston was the big name 2018 00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:39,765 in New York. 2019 00:52:39,852 --> 00:52:41,114 Even I knew who halston was, 2020 00:52:41,201 --> 00:52:42,768 and I... believe me, I know 2021 00:52:42,855 --> 00:52:43,943 nothing about that shit. 2022 00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:45,118 - Yeah. 2023 00:52:45,205 --> 00:52:46,250 - He was at studio 54. 2024 00:52:46,337 --> 00:52:47,599 He was hanging out 2025 00:52:47,686 --> 00:52:48,774 with that disco crowd. 2026 00:52:48,861 --> 00:52:49,949 Um, he was always 2027 00:52:50,036 --> 00:52:51,516 where the scene was. 2028 00:53:20,936 --> 00:53:21,981 - So give us a sense of, 2029 00:53:22,068 --> 00:53:23,069 like, New York '70s. 2030 00:53:23,156 --> 00:53:24,220 What was that like living in... 2031 00:53:24,244 --> 00:53:25,284 - Well, in... in New York, 2032 00:53:25,332 --> 00:53:26,812 especially, there was a sense 2033 00:53:26,899 --> 00:53:30,032 of potential impending disaster. 2034 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:31,512 The crime rate was high, 2035 00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:32,600 drugs being dealt 2036 00:53:32,687 --> 00:53:33,751 right out there in the street, 2037 00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:35,081 a lot of prostitution. 2038 00:53:35,168 --> 00:53:36,169 We had just ended 2039 00:53:36,256 --> 00:53:37,257 the war in Vietnam. 2040 00:53:37,344 --> 00:53:38,563 You know, there was the... 2041 00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:39,738 The Nixon debacle. 2042 00:53:39,825 --> 00:53:41,305 Uh, everybody was cynical. 2043 00:53:41,392 --> 00:53:42,610 There was a blackout. 2044 00:53:42,697 --> 00:53:44,090 I think it was in '77. 2045 00:53:44,177 --> 00:53:45,178 I was in Lincoln center 2046 00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:46,962 at philharmonic hall. 2047 00:53:47,049 --> 00:53:48,169 We were watching boz scaggs. 2048 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,618 - And we're sitting there, 2049 00:53:50,705 --> 00:53:51,793 and he's doing... 2050 00:53:53,055 --> 00:53:54,076 And the whole thing just dies. 2051 00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:55,884 It was just chaos. 2052 00:53:55,971 --> 00:53:57,091 I mean, cars were piling up. 2053 00:53:57,146 --> 00:53:58,254 People started directing traffic 2054 00:53:58,278 --> 00:53:59,540 in the middle of intersections. 2055 00:53:59,627 --> 00:54:00,802 Shit hit the fan. 2056 00:54:00,889 --> 00:54:01,977 It was a sense 2057 00:54:02,064 --> 00:54:03,588 of impending doom. 2058 00:54:03,675 --> 00:54:04,937 - So would you say, like, 2059 00:54:05,024 --> 00:54:06,199 the reaction was to 2060 00:54:06,286 --> 00:54:07,287 kind of have fun... 2061 00:54:07,374 --> 00:54:09,246 Disco, sex, drugs, everything? 2062 00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:10,551 - There was a lot of that, 2063 00:54:10,638 --> 00:54:11,726 absolutely. 2064 00:54:11,813 --> 00:54:13,337 It was... it was like a big party. 2065 00:54:13,424 --> 00:54:14,744 You know, they... they talk about 2066 00:54:14,773 --> 00:54:15,991 the stories of Hitler's bunker 2067 00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:17,210 at the end of the war. 2068 00:54:17,297 --> 00:54:18,211 Everybody 2069 00:54:18,298 --> 00:54:19,212 was drinking champagne. 2070 00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:20,344 Everybody was boppin' 2071 00:54:20,431 --> 00:54:21,214 everybody else in the bunker... 2072 00:54:21,301 --> 00:54:22,301 - Yeah. 2073 00:54:22,346 --> 00:54:23,366 - Because the... the Russians 2074 00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:24,217 were gonna come any second. 2075 00:54:24,304 --> 00:54:25,218 - Yeah. 2076 00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:26,219 - Well, there was a sense 2077 00:54:26,306 --> 00:54:27,220 of that in New York. 2078 00:54:27,307 --> 00:54:28,352 It was just everything 2079 00:54:28,439 --> 00:54:29,679 was over the top and excessive. 2080 00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:49,068 - Do you believe this? 2081 00:54:49,155 --> 00:54:50,852 Every night, rain or snow, 2082 00:54:50,939 --> 00:54:52,289 these frantic night people 2083 00:54:52,376 --> 00:54:53,594 stand here for hours 2084 00:54:53,681 --> 00:54:55,117 waving and yelling, "me! Me! 2085 00:54:55,204 --> 00:54:56,380 Chose me!" 2086 00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:57,772 Well, we're at the most famous 2087 00:54:57,859 --> 00:54:59,078 disco in the country... 2088 00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:00,297 Of course it's New York's 2089 00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:02,081 studio 54. 2090 00:55:02,168 --> 00:55:03,387 And this guy right here 2091 00:55:03,474 --> 00:55:04,910 is studio 54's owner 2092 00:55:04,997 --> 00:55:05,997 Steve Rubell. 2093 00:55:06,041 --> 00:55:07,608 He's the man who decides. 2094 00:55:07,695 --> 00:55:08,783 They all wait 2095 00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:09,958 for his golden touch, 2096 00:55:10,045 --> 00:55:11,090 that magic hand 2097 00:55:11,177 --> 00:55:12,217 that will let them through 2098 00:55:12,265 --> 00:55:13,266 that velvet rope, 2099 00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:14,398 the touch that means, 2100 00:55:14,485 --> 00:55:15,660 "you've made it. 2101 00:55:15,747 --> 00:55:16,747 You've been accepted." 2102 00:55:16,791 --> 00:55:17,792 - Steve Rubell 2103 00:55:17,879 --> 00:55:18,924 had opened this club. 2104 00:55:19,011 --> 00:55:20,012 Halston had been invited 2105 00:55:20,099 --> 00:55:21,100 to the opening of it, 2106 00:55:21,187 --> 00:55:22,295 and he went and looked around 2107 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:23,320 and it was the old 2108 00:55:23,407 --> 00:55:24,669 ed Sullivan theater. 2109 00:55:24,756 --> 00:55:25,756 He said, "you know what? 2110 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,888 I'm gonna give 2111 00:55:26,975 --> 00:55:28,126 Bianca's birthday party here." 2112 00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:29,238 He did that, 2113 00:55:29,326 --> 00:55:30,762 and it got the place publicity. 2114 00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:31,937 - Even if you have 2115 00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:33,112 the $10 fee, 2116 00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:34,287 you're not always 2117 00:55:34,374 --> 00:55:35,288 guaranteed admission. 2118 00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:36,376 And if Steve doesn't like 2119 00:55:36,463 --> 00:55:37,638 the way you look, 2120 00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:41,207 you'll never get in. 2121 00:55:43,818 --> 00:55:44,906 - I moved to New York 2122 00:55:44,993 --> 00:55:46,081 in August of '77. 2123 00:55:46,168 --> 00:55:47,256 - Hi. Seeing Jim Moore. 2124 00:55:47,344 --> 00:55:48,344 - It was the summer of... 2125 00:55:48,388 --> 00:55:49,433 The summer of Sam. 2126 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,912 - I prefer "teen vogue." 2127 00:55:50,999 --> 00:55:52,087 - It was like, you know, 2128 00:55:52,174 --> 00:55:53,262 maybe a month after 2129 00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:54,438 the blackout. 2130 00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:55,743 Your badge of merit 2131 00:55:55,830 --> 00:55:56,918 was to get mugged. 2132 00:55:57,005 --> 00:55:58,093 It was 2133 00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:59,965 a completely different New York. 2134 00:56:00,052 --> 00:56:01,140 I did have friends 2135 00:56:01,227 --> 00:56:02,663 that loved going to studio 54. 2136 00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:03,830 I'd be doing my schoolwork, 2137 00:56:03,882 --> 00:56:04,946 and they would take the pen 2138 00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:05,971 out of my hand and say, 2139 00:56:06,058 --> 00:56:07,102 "come on, let's go." 2140 00:56:07,189 --> 00:56:08,253 So we would go three nights 2141 00:56:08,277 --> 00:56:09,322 a week, and, you know, 2142 00:56:09,409 --> 00:56:10,473 it's one of those situations 2143 00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:11,672 where, when you pull up 2144 00:56:11,759 --> 00:56:12,804 in your taxi, 2145 00:56:12,891 --> 00:56:13,935 you've got two minutes 2146 00:56:14,022 --> 00:56:15,043 to get in, because if they start 2147 00:56:15,067 --> 00:56:16,111 recognizing your face, 2148 00:56:16,198 --> 00:56:17,198 then you're kind of like 2149 00:56:17,243 --> 00:56:18,263 the loser, you know, who's, 2150 00:56:18,287 --> 00:56:19,114 like, waiting in the crowd. 2151 00:56:19,201 --> 00:56:20,201 - Yeah. 2152 00:56:20,246 --> 00:56:21,116 - I just, you know, remember 2153 00:56:21,203 --> 00:56:22,117 looking from side to side, 2154 00:56:22,204 --> 00:56:23,118 again, all kind of 2155 00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:24,119 in slow motion and seeing, 2156 00:56:24,206 --> 00:56:25,120 like, girls shivering 2157 00:56:25,207 --> 00:56:26,121 in strapless dresses, 2158 00:56:26,208 --> 00:56:27,209 this frizzy hair, and you 2159 00:56:27,296 --> 00:56:28,210 just knew they had been there 2160 00:56:28,297 --> 00:56:29,124 for a long period of time. 2161 00:56:29,211 --> 00:56:30,299 - Yeah. 2162 00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:31,300 - You just wanted to tell them 2163 00:56:31,388 --> 00:56:32,388 all to go home, you know? 2164 00:56:32,432 --> 00:56:33,128 The whole thing was so evil. 2165 00:56:33,215 --> 00:56:34,129 You know, often times, 2166 00:56:34,216 --> 00:56:35,130 I would be in there 2167 00:56:35,217 --> 00:56:36,131 for a couple of hours, 2168 00:56:36,218 --> 00:56:37,132 and I would come out, 2169 00:56:37,219 --> 00:56:38,133 and I would still see 2170 00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:39,134 that same girl shivering 2171 00:56:39,221 --> 00:56:40,222 in her strapless dress. 2172 00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:41,389 - We went there, and people 2173 00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:42,549 were so beautifully dressed, 2174 00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:43,835 at least in the summer. 2175 00:56:43,922 --> 00:56:45,042 If you went to a discotheque 2176 00:56:45,097 --> 00:56:46,011 now, it's shake it to make it. 2177 00:56:46,098 --> 00:56:47,099 Then you 2178 00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:51,451 would have been dressed. 2179 00:56:54,541 --> 00:56:55,716 - Tonight happened to be 2180 00:56:55,803 --> 00:56:56,848 Liza's birthday, 2181 00:56:56,935 --> 00:56:57,979 and everybody was there 2182 00:56:58,066 --> 00:56:59,087 to celebrate from Truman capote 2183 00:56:59,111 --> 00:57:00,155 to Andy warhol. 2184 00:57:00,242 --> 00:57:01,243 And a host 2185 00:57:01,330 --> 00:57:02,419 of New York, New York's 2186 00:57:02,506 --> 00:57:03,507 beautiful people 2187 00:57:03,594 --> 00:57:04,812 were dancing the night away. 2188 00:57:04,899 --> 00:57:05,900 And, of course, halston 2189 00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:10,035 blessed and dressed them all. 2190 00:57:12,516 --> 00:57:13,517 - The thing about halston 2191 00:57:13,604 --> 00:57:14,822 and Andy warhol 2192 00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:15,910 and others like that 2193 00:57:15,997 --> 00:57:17,042 is they stood out. 2194 00:57:17,129 --> 00:57:18,130 You wanted to know 2195 00:57:18,217 --> 00:57:19,218 who they were. 2196 00:57:19,305 --> 00:57:20,349 - Yeah. 2197 00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:21,438 - Who... who is that? 2198 00:57:21,525 --> 00:57:22,526 You didn't necessarily 2199 00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:23,831 hear about them first. 2200 00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:24,919 You saw them and went, 2201 00:57:25,006 --> 00:57:26,051 "who is that person?" 2202 00:57:26,138 --> 00:57:27,202 I was a kid, and I had a job 2203 00:57:27,226 --> 00:57:28,227 as a photographer 2204 00:57:28,314 --> 00:57:29,358 going out to parties. 2205 00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:30,447 I used to make a whole $3 2206 00:57:30,534 --> 00:57:31,535 a photograph. 2207 00:57:31,622 --> 00:57:32,840 Halston had such amazing 2208 00:57:32,927 --> 00:57:33,928 sort of presence. 2209 00:57:34,015 --> 00:57:35,060 He looked larger than life 2210 00:57:35,147 --> 00:57:36,191 to me. 2211 00:57:36,278 --> 00:57:37,299 He liked having beautiful people 2212 00:57:37,323 --> 00:57:38,367 around him. 2213 00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:39,575 It all became one big niche. 2214 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,445 - You feel it. 2215 00:58:12,532 --> 00:58:13,533 I mean, the excitement 2216 00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:14,795 of the props coming down 2217 00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:16,014 and the... the balcony... 2218 00:58:16,101 --> 00:58:17,406 It's just exciting. 2219 00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:18,582 It's where you come 2220 00:58:18,669 --> 00:58:19,887 when you want to escape. 2221 00:58:19,974 --> 00:58:21,889 It's... it's really escapism. 2222 00:58:31,377 --> 00:58:32,291 - "A champion of dance, 2223 00:58:32,378 --> 00:58:33,292 his moves will put you 2224 00:58:33,379 --> 00:58:34,293 in a trance, 2225 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:35,294 and he never leaves 2226 00:58:35,381 --> 00:58:36,381 the disco alone. 2227 00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:38,079 Arrogant, but not conceited, 2228 00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:39,516 as a man, he's complete. 2229 00:58:39,603 --> 00:58:41,126 My crème de la crème, 2230 00:58:41,213 --> 00:58:42,388 please take me home. 2231 00:58:42,475 --> 00:58:43,389 He wears the finest clothes, 2232 00:58:43,476 --> 00:58:44,564 the best designers, 2233 00:58:44,651 --> 00:58:45,651 heaven knows, 2234 00:58:45,696 --> 00:58:46,914 ooh, from his head 2235 00:58:47,001 --> 00:58:48,176 down to his toes. 2236 00:58:48,263 --> 00:58:50,483 Halston, Gucci, fiorucci." 2237 00:58:51,919 --> 00:58:52,964 - Which was the only thing 2238 00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:54,574 that we could have rhymed. 2239 00:58:54,661 --> 00:58:55,836 You know, to us halston was 2240 00:58:55,923 --> 00:58:56,837 the ultimate cool guy... 2241 00:58:56,924 --> 00:58:57,838 - Sure. 2242 00:58:57,925 --> 00:58:58,946 - That sort of represented 2243 00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:00,145 this mythical person 2244 00:59:00,232 --> 00:59:01,146 that we were trying 2245 00:59:01,233 --> 00:59:02,495 to paint in the song. 2246 00:59:02,582 --> 00:59:03,888 It's funny how, uh, 2247 00:59:03,975 --> 00:59:04,975 we were really married 2248 00:59:05,019 --> 00:59:06,412 to that place. 2249 00:59:06,499 --> 00:59:07,848 Grace Jones had invited us 2250 00:59:07,935 --> 00:59:09,328 to see her new year's Eve show 2251 00:59:09,415 --> 00:59:10,851 at studio 54. 2252 00:59:10,938 --> 00:59:12,200 So she says, "oh, darling, 2253 00:59:12,287 --> 00:59:13,395 nile, why don't you and 'nard 2254 00:59:13,419 --> 00:59:14,420 come over, 2255 00:59:14,507 --> 00:59:15,377 'cause I'd love you to produce 2256 00:59:15,464 --> 00:59:16,378 my next album, 2257 00:59:16,465 --> 00:59:17,379 you know what I'm saying? 2258 00:59:17,466 --> 00:59:18,466 I love you." 2259 00:59:18,511 --> 00:59:19,381 It's like, "all right, cool, 2260 00:59:19,468 --> 00:59:20,382 grace, put our names 2261 00:59:20,469 --> 00:59:21,514 on the list." 2262 00:59:21,601 --> 00:59:22,646 - Mm-hmm. 2263 00:59:22,733 --> 00:59:23,560 - Of course, if you know grace, 2264 00:59:23,647 --> 00:59:24,561 making a plan with grace 2265 00:59:24,648 --> 00:59:25,953 is like making a plan 2266 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,040 with grace. 2267 00:59:27,085 --> 00:59:28,085 - Uh-huh. 2268 00:59:29,174 --> 00:59:30,654 Our song, "dance, dance, dance 2269 00:59:32,046 --> 00:59:33,047 had been pumpin' 2270 00:59:33,134 --> 00:59:34,048 into that place. 2271 00:59:34,135 --> 00:59:36,007 - Yowsah, yowsah, yowsah. 2272 00:59:37,443 --> 00:59:38,463 - So I guess grace thought 2273 00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:39,487 that we were 2274 00:59:39,532 --> 00:59:40,446 in the inner circle, 2275 00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:41,447 but we weren't. 2276 00:59:41,534 --> 00:59:42,448 They didn't let us in 2277 00:59:42,535 --> 00:59:43,536 no matter what we said. 2278 00:59:43,623 --> 00:59:44,537 We said, "check the list. 2279 00:59:44,624 --> 00:59:45,538 We're personal guests 2280 00:59:45,625 --> 00:59:46,670 of grace Jones," 2281 00:59:46,757 --> 00:59:47,888 blah, blah, blah. 2282 00:59:47,975 --> 00:59:49,083 We went around to the back door. 2283 00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:50,108 Same deal... guy says, 2284 00:59:50,195 --> 00:59:51,239 "you're not on the list. 2285 00:59:51,326 --> 00:59:52,197 You know, I don't see chic here, 2286 00:59:52,284 --> 00:59:53,372 chic shit." 2287 00:59:53,459 --> 00:59:54,591 We walked around the corner 2288 00:59:54,678 --> 00:59:55,940 to my apartment 2289 00:59:56,027 --> 00:59:57,134 after getting a couple bottles 2290 00:59:57,158 --> 00:59:58,464 of champagne. 2291 00:59:58,551 --> 00:59:59,552 And we got pretty lit, 2292 00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:01,032 and we started jammin'. 2293 01:00:06,472 --> 01:00:08,169 Yeah. 2294 01:00:08,256 --> 01:00:09,562 - Fuck off. 2295 01:00:10,998 --> 01:00:13,000 Fuck studio 54. 2296 01:00:14,262 --> 01:00:15,262 And then 'nard said, 2297 01:00:15,307 --> 01:00:16,525 "man, do that jazzy shit." 2298 01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:18,571 And I went... 2299 01:00:23,271 --> 01:00:24,403 Bernard looks at me 2300 01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:25,926 and went, 2301 01:00:26,013 --> 01:00:27,013 "you know this shit 2302 01:00:27,058 --> 01:00:28,058 is happenin', right?" 2303 01:00:29,147 --> 01:00:30,061 - "You know that. 2304 01:00:30,148 --> 01:00:31,062 You know this shit 2305 01:00:31,149 --> 01:00:32,150 is happenin'." 2306 01:00:32,237 --> 01:00:33,437 So I went, "bro, how about..." 2307 01:00:35,022 --> 01:00:35,936 And Bernard, man, 2308 01:00:36,023 --> 01:00:37,285 it was just a light bulb 2309 01:00:37,372 --> 01:00:38,372 went off over his head, 2310 01:00:38,417 --> 01:00:39,481 and he went, "that's it..." 2311 01:00:39,505 --> 01:00:40,505 - Uh-huh. 2312 01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:41,549 - "Freak out." 2313 01:00:45,816 --> 01:00:46,947 - And that became the anthem 2314 01:00:47,034 --> 01:00:48,732 of studio 54. 2315 01:00:51,517 --> 01:00:53,606 - There were many nights 2316 01:00:53,693 --> 01:00:54,738 when both of us 2317 01:00:54,825 --> 01:00:56,261 had to work the next day. 2318 01:00:56,348 --> 01:00:58,132 When we'd go in the front door, 2319 01:00:58,219 --> 01:01:00,004 get everybody settled, 2320 01:01:00,091 --> 01:01:01,179 we'd go right out the back 2321 01:01:01,266 --> 01:01:02,180 and go home. 2322 01:01:02,267 --> 01:01:03,355 Just go home, 2323 01:01:03,442 --> 01:01:04,356 because you had to get up 2324 01:01:04,443 --> 01:01:05,531 in the morning. 2325 01:01:05,618 --> 01:01:06,532 - You would end up 2326 01:01:06,619 --> 01:01:07,640 out of that door at, like, 2327 01:01:07,664 --> 01:01:08,534 8:00 or 9:00 in the morning. 2328 01:01:08,621 --> 01:01:09,535 - Okay. 2329 01:01:09,622 --> 01:01:10,536 - Oh, yeah. 2330 01:01:10,623 --> 01:01:11,537 - Yeah. 2331 01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:12,704 - He gave us... I remember, 2332 01:01:12,756 --> 01:01:13,863 he'd given us black sunglasses, 2333 01:01:13,887 --> 01:01:14,995 like, these mirrored sunglasses, 2334 01:01:15,019 --> 01:01:15,889 'cause we always would stay out 2335 01:01:15,976 --> 01:01:16,803 till, like, 8:00, 9:00, 2336 01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:17,586 10:00 in the morning. 2337 01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:18,674 - Yeah. 2338 01:01:18,718 --> 01:01:19,718 - Well, he always had 2339 01:01:19,763 --> 01:01:21,068 these big windows. 2340 01:01:21,155 --> 01:01:22,461 The sun was always coming in. 2341 01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:23,636 So he had, you know, 2342 01:01:23,723 --> 01:01:25,464 dark glasses a lot, you know. 2343 01:01:25,551 --> 01:01:27,074 - Well, how wild did 54 get? 2344 01:01:27,161 --> 01:01:28,161 - It wasn't that wild. 2345 01:01:28,206 --> 01:01:29,207 - It wasn't? 2346 01:01:29,294 --> 01:01:30,121 - No, I mean, everybody likes 2347 01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:31,122 to make it that wild, 2348 01:01:31,209 --> 01:01:32,123 but I never saw anything. 2349 01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:33,211 - Coke and quaaludes. 2350 01:01:33,298 --> 01:01:34,362 - Coke and... lots of quaaludes 2351 01:01:34,386 --> 01:01:35,300 and lots of coke. 2352 01:01:35,387 --> 01:01:36,387 - Lots of liquor. 2353 01:01:36,431 --> 01:01:37,495 - Doesn't quaalude make you 2354 01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:38,540 go to sleep or make you tired? 2355 01:01:38,564 --> 01:01:39,304 - No, 'cause it balances out 2356 01:01:39,391 --> 01:01:40,392 - of course, halston 2357 01:01:40,479 --> 01:01:41,306 protected me from everything. 2358 01:01:41,393 --> 01:01:42,307 - Sure, yeah. 2359 01:01:42,394 --> 01:01:43,394 - But I mean, 2360 01:01:43,438 --> 01:01:44,309 I never went to the balcony. 2361 01:01:44,396 --> 01:01:45,310 Who went to the balcony? 2362 01:01:45,397 --> 01:01:46,397 He didn't. 2363 01:01:46,441 --> 01:01:47,462 - Did you two go down there? 2364 01:01:47,486 --> 01:01:48,550 - There was, like, all these 2365 01:01:48,574 --> 01:01:49,314 little, um, cages downstairs. 2366 01:01:49,401 --> 01:01:50,401 - Cages? 2367 01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:51,466 - People would be down there 2368 01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:52,317 having sex and doing drugs. 2369 01:01:52,404 --> 01:01:53,318 - And a lot of celebrities 2370 01:01:53,405 --> 01:01:54,319 would go down there. 2371 01:01:54,406 --> 01:01:55,494 - Yeah, it was such a... 2372 01:01:55,581 --> 01:01:56,495 - 'Cause you could do the coke 2373 01:01:56,582 --> 01:01:57,322 and the drugs down there. 2374 01:01:57,409 --> 01:01:58,323 - And people wouldn't 2375 01:01:58,410 --> 01:01:59,324 be watching. 2376 01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:00,325 - Whoever was up there 2377 01:02:00,412 --> 01:02:01,413 was doing their own thing 2378 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:02,520 it wasn't my business or his. 2379 01:02:02,544 --> 01:02:03,328 - Yeah. So it wasn't as good 2380 01:02:03,415 --> 01:02:04,416 as people say it was. 2381 01:02:04,503 --> 01:02:05,654 - What do you mean by "good"? 2382 01:02:05,678 --> 01:02:06,331 - There were, like, mattresses 2383 01:02:06,418 --> 01:02:07,332 on the floor. 2384 01:02:07,419 --> 01:02:08,333 - And rugs. 2385 01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:09,334 - Mattresses? 2386 01:02:09,421 --> 01:02:10,335 - Oh, yeah. 2387 01:02:10,422 --> 01:02:11,336 - Weren't they filthy, 2388 01:02:11,423 --> 01:02:12,337 these mattresses? 2389 01:02:12,424 --> 01:02:13,338 - Oh, disgusting. 2390 01:02:13,425 --> 01:02:14,339 - Filthy, disgusting. 2391 01:02:14,426 --> 01:02:15,340 - And they'd still 2392 01:02:15,427 --> 01:02:16,427 get on 'em anyway. 2393 01:02:16,471 --> 01:02:17,535 - Oh, my god, and the people 2394 01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:18,343 that you would see down there. 2395 01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:19,344 - Good question. 2396 01:02:19,431 --> 01:02:20,345 You know, kind of... 2397 01:02:20,432 --> 01:02:21,346 You know, a little sex, 2398 01:02:21,433 --> 01:02:22,347 have a little fun, 2399 01:02:22,434 --> 01:02:23,348 get a little wild. 2400 01:02:23,435 --> 01:02:24,435 I don't know, I mean, 2401 01:02:24,479 --> 01:02:25,350 something along those lines. 2402 01:02:25,437 --> 01:02:26,351 - Never happened to me. 2403 01:02:26,438 --> 01:02:27,482 - Well, I'm not saying... 2404 01:02:27,569 --> 01:02:28,353 - Never happened to him either. 2405 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,440 I was with him. 2406 01:02:29,484 --> 01:02:30,355 - Maybe it seemed really fun 2407 01:02:30,442 --> 01:02:31,356 because we were on 2408 01:02:31,443 --> 01:02:32,357 so many drugs. 2409 01:02:32,444 --> 01:02:33,358 We didn't know otherwise. 2410 01:02:33,445 --> 01:02:34,445 You know, I mean... 2411 01:02:35,577 --> 01:02:36,361 - So what was Victor Hugo up to 2412 01:02:36,448 --> 01:02:37,362 during 54? 2413 01:02:37,449 --> 01:02:38,363 He was a total freak 2414 01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:39,364 from my understanding. 2415 01:02:39,451 --> 01:02:40,365 - He was crazy. 2416 01:02:40,452 --> 01:02:41,366 - A good crazy. 2417 01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:42,367 - A good crazy. 2418 01:02:42,454 --> 01:02:43,498 - A good crazy? 2419 01:02:43,585 --> 01:02:44,369 - A lot of energy, good energy. 2420 01:02:44,456 --> 01:02:45,370 - Yeah. 2421 01:02:45,457 --> 01:02:46,477 - He had his own language. 2422 01:02:46,501 --> 01:02:47,372 - He didn't make any sense. 2423 01:02:47,459 --> 01:02:48,373 He had his own lang... 2424 01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:49,374 - Sex addict. 2425 01:02:49,461 --> 01:02:50,375 He was a total sex addict. 2426 01:02:50,462 --> 01:02:51,376 - But he was so out there. 2427 01:02:51,463 --> 01:02:52,377 But you know what? 2428 01:02:52,464 --> 01:02:53,378 He would bring us 2429 01:02:53,465 --> 01:02:54,379 over to halston's, 2430 01:02:54,466 --> 01:02:55,380 and halston would give us 2431 01:02:55,467 --> 01:02:56,511 clothes to wear and stuff. 2432 01:02:56,598 --> 01:02:57,750 And we would go out on the town. 2433 01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:58,557 - And the next thing you know, 2434 01:02:58,644 --> 01:02:59,384 Victor's tearing up 2435 01:02:59,471 --> 01:03:00,385 your clothes. 2436 01:03:00,472 --> 01:03:01,386 - Or spray-paint 2437 01:03:01,473 --> 01:03:02,387 or throw paint on you or... 2438 01:03:02,474 --> 01:03:03,388 Like, he would be 2439 01:03:03,475 --> 01:03:04,389 on the dance floor 2440 01:03:04,476 --> 01:03:05,390 or in the club 2441 01:03:05,477 --> 01:03:06,391 running up to people 2442 01:03:06,478 --> 01:03:07,392 he didn't know 2443 01:03:07,479 --> 01:03:08,393 and tearing things, 2444 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,394 'cause he would think 2445 01:03:09,481 --> 01:03:10,395 that was art. 2446 01:03:10,482 --> 01:03:11,396 - These are Victor's shoes 2447 01:03:11,483 --> 01:03:12,397 that he sculpted. 2448 01:03:12,484 --> 01:03:13,398 - You mentioned 2449 01:03:13,485 --> 01:03:14,399 about Truman capote... 2450 01:03:14,486 --> 01:03:15,400 - I called him a queen. 2451 01:03:15,487 --> 01:03:16,531 - You did? 2452 01:03:16,618 --> 01:03:17,402 - Yeah. He actually slapped me. 2453 01:03:17,489 --> 01:03:18,403 - He did? 2454 01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:19,491 - He said, 2455 01:03:19,578 --> 01:03:20,642 "you're nothing but a whore." 2456 01:03:20,666 --> 01:03:21,406 - It was his face-lift party. 2457 01:03:21,493 --> 01:03:22,493 - Yeah, it was 2458 01:03:22,537 --> 01:03:23,537 his face-lift party. 2459 01:03:23,582 --> 01:03:24,496 He'd just had a face-lift. 2460 01:03:24,583 --> 01:03:25,497 - A face-lift party? 2461 01:03:25,584 --> 01:03:26,498 - That's what it was. 2462 01:03:26,585 --> 01:03:27,499 And Truman didn't want me 2463 01:03:27,586 --> 01:03:28,586 to come in. 2464 01:03:29,588 --> 01:03:30,632 "Not until he apologizes." 2465 01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:31,719 You know, like... 2466 01:03:32,634 --> 01:03:33,505 - And I had to kiss his ass. 2467 01:03:33,592 --> 01:03:34,506 - Well, why would he throw 2468 01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:35,593 a party for a face-lift? 2469 01:03:35,637 --> 01:03:36,508 - 'Cause he wanted everyone 2470 01:03:36,595 --> 01:03:37,509 to see what he looked like 2471 01:03:37,596 --> 01:03:38,510 afterwards. 2472 01:03:38,597 --> 01:03:39,511 - What did he look like? 2473 01:03:39,598 --> 01:03:40,512 - I don't remember. 2474 01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:41,643 I was on drugs. 2475 01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:42,514 And everyone there was on drugs. 2476 01:03:42,601 --> 01:03:43,602 - A lot of that time 2477 01:03:43,689 --> 01:03:44,753 has made my career what it is, 2478 01:03:44,777 --> 01:03:45,517 because I was exposed to that 2479 01:03:45,604 --> 01:03:46,605 at such an early age. 2480 01:03:46,692 --> 01:03:47,519 I was a busboy at studio 54... 2481 01:03:47,606 --> 01:03:48,520 - Oh, really? 2482 01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:49,521 - Early on, yeah. 2483 01:03:49,608 --> 01:03:50,522 David lachapelle and I 2484 01:03:50,609 --> 01:03:51,523 were both busboys there. 2485 01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:52,698 - Oh, I'm so sorry. 2486 01:03:52,785 --> 01:03:53,525 - Have you noticed the camera? 2487 01:03:53,612 --> 01:03:54,700 That's cool. 2488 01:03:54,787 --> 01:03:55,919 I would like you 2489 01:03:56,006 --> 01:03:57,703 if you walked away. 2490 01:03:57,790 --> 01:03:58,922 - How crazy was it then? 2491 01:03:59,009 --> 01:03:59,923 - It was insane. 2492 01:04:00,010 --> 01:04:00,924 It was bananas. 2493 01:04:01,011 --> 01:04:01,925 It was just bananas. 2494 01:04:02,012 --> 01:04:03,796 - What was the most, like, 2495 01:04:03,883 --> 01:04:05,276 fucked-up thing you saw there? 2496 01:04:05,363 --> 01:04:07,278 - Um... 2497 01:04:07,365 --> 01:04:09,454 It was... I don't remember 2498 01:04:09,541 --> 01:04:10,672 the... the massiveness, 2499 01:04:10,759 --> 01:04:12,152 I remember the opulence. 2500 01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:13,458 I remember the parties. 2501 01:04:13,545 --> 01:04:14,633 New year's Eve 2502 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,721 with 6 inches of glitter 2503 01:04:15,808 --> 01:04:16,940 on the ground. 2504 01:04:17,027 --> 01:04:17,941 And so for days after 2505 01:04:18,028 --> 01:04:19,159 you saw the glitter 2506 01:04:19,246 --> 01:04:20,552 on the streets. 2507 01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:21,770 There will never be anything 2508 01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:22,946 like studio 54 again. 2509 01:04:23,033 --> 01:04:25,296 It's just forever here 2510 01:04:25,383 --> 01:04:28,386 and here. 2511 01:04:36,481 --> 01:04:37,588 - We're here at Bryant park, 2512 01:04:37,612 --> 01:04:38,612 fashion week, 2513 01:04:38,657 --> 01:04:39,745 where editors come and look 2514 01:04:39,832 --> 01:04:40,832 at the latest fashions 2515 01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:42,313 and styles, 2516 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,445 buyers see what they want, 2517 01:04:44,532 --> 01:04:45,664 and dudes like me come 2518 01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:46,752 to check out the models. 2519 01:04:46,839 --> 01:04:48,232 Come on in. 2520 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:50,408 Let's have a look. 2521 01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:58,982 - Oh, mama. 2522 01:04:59,069 --> 01:04:59,983 Who is that? 2523 01:05:00,070 --> 01:05:00,984 Excuse me. 2524 01:05:01,071 --> 01:05:01,985 Who was that? 2525 01:05:02,072 --> 01:05:03,595 - Kelly rowland 2526 01:05:03,682 --> 01:05:05,205 from destiny's child. 2527 01:05:05,292 --> 01:05:07,599 - How do you know that? 2528 01:05:07,686 --> 01:05:09,514 - Halston... he lived in the age 2529 01:05:09,601 --> 01:05:11,820 of really living. 2530 01:05:11,908 --> 01:05:13,344 Nowadays everybody worries 2531 01:05:13,431 --> 01:05:14,519 too much about being 2532 01:05:14,606 --> 01:05:15,806 commercially viable as opposed 2533 01:05:15,868 --> 01:05:17,826 to thinking differently. 2534 01:05:17,914 --> 01:05:18,827 - I'm looking for halston 2535 01:05:18,915 --> 01:05:19,828 these days. 2536 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:20,916 - Are you? 2537 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:21,874 - Yeah. 2538 01:05:21,961 --> 01:05:22,961 I miss him. 2539 01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:24,224 - Halston has always been 2540 01:05:24,311 --> 01:05:26,009 a major inspiration to me. 2541 01:05:26,096 --> 01:05:27,358 Do you want me to take you 2542 01:05:27,445 --> 01:05:28,533 through some of the pieces? 2543 01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:29,620 - That's okay. 2544 01:05:29,664 --> 01:05:30,709 - Okay, I don't mind. 2545 01:05:30,796 --> 01:05:31,623 - Did you ever get any halstons 2546 01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:32,624 on "sex and the city"? 2547 01:05:32,711 --> 01:05:33,625 - I did, I did. 2548 01:05:33,712 --> 01:05:34,626 - Yeah? 2549 01:05:34,713 --> 01:05:35,627 - I put, uh, Sarah Jessica 2550 01:05:35,714 --> 01:05:37,020 in a halston 2551 01:05:37,107 --> 01:05:38,021 when she was going out 2552 01:05:38,108 --> 01:05:39,022 with the politician. 2553 01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:40,501 - Oh, yeah? 2554 01:05:40,588 --> 01:05:41,502 - So we had a little play 2555 01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:42,503 on Jackie o. 2556 01:05:42,590 --> 01:05:43,896 - All right. 2557 01:06:07,006 --> 01:06:08,965 - Hey, naeem, great show. 2558 01:06:09,052 --> 01:06:09,966 How are you? 2559 01:06:10,053 --> 01:06:10,967 - Good to see you. 2560 01:06:11,054 --> 01:06:11,968 - Good to see you. 2561 01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:13,578 - Good. 2562 01:06:13,665 --> 01:06:14,579 It's a dress, right? 2563 01:06:14,666 --> 01:06:15,666 This is a... 2564 01:06:16,755 --> 01:06:18,278 The way it all wraps around, 2565 01:06:18,365 --> 01:06:20,585 one halston would be proud of. 2566 01:06:20,672 --> 01:06:21,586 In the mood of halston, 2567 01:06:21,673 --> 01:06:22,587 we have to have a drink. 2568 01:06:22,674 --> 01:06:24,067 - Okay, absolutely. 2569 01:06:24,154 --> 01:06:25,372 It's so nice, thank you. 2570 01:06:25,459 --> 01:06:26,765 - We live in the halston way. 2571 01:06:26,852 --> 01:06:27,940 If you don't live it, 2572 01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:29,420 you don't feel it. 2573 01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:30,421 Well, cheers, guys, 2574 01:06:30,508 --> 01:06:31,422 good to have you here. 2575 01:06:31,509 --> 01:06:32,423 - Cheers, thank you. 2576 01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:33,424 - Cheers. 2577 01:06:33,511 --> 01:06:34,425 - You're welcome. 2578 01:06:34,512 --> 01:06:35,426 - I'll second that. 2579 01:06:35,513 --> 01:06:36,514 - I think this is 2580 01:06:36,601 --> 01:06:37,819 my favorite interview so far. 2581 01:06:37,906 --> 01:06:39,038 - My father came here 2582 01:06:39,125 --> 01:06:41,084 to do business with halston. 2583 01:06:41,171 --> 01:06:42,694 My family in India 2584 01:06:42,781 --> 01:06:44,783 makes embroideries and beading. 2585 01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:46,089 It's a 3-generation-old 2586 01:06:46,176 --> 01:06:47,090 business. 2587 01:06:47,177 --> 01:06:48,482 Halston said to me, 2588 01:06:48,569 --> 01:06:49,590 "why don't you work for me?" 2589 01:06:49,614 --> 01:06:50,615 - The best education. 2590 01:06:50,702 --> 01:06:52,095 - He said, "this is the best. 2591 01:06:52,182 --> 01:06:53,096 I'll teach you everything." 2592 01:06:53,183 --> 01:06:54,445 So I got on the plane, 2593 01:06:54,532 --> 01:06:55,532 and I came to America. 2594 01:06:55,576 --> 01:06:56,490 And I became 2595 01:06:56,577 --> 01:06:57,491 halston's assistant. 2596 01:06:57,578 --> 01:06:58,492 He's taught me 2597 01:06:58,579 --> 01:06:59,579 everything I know. 2598 01:06:59,624 --> 01:07:00,688 He used to tell me, "naeem, 2599 01:07:00,712 --> 01:07:01,974 the fabrics will teach you. 2600 01:07:02,061 --> 01:07:03,454 The fabric tells you 2601 01:07:03,541 --> 01:07:04,759 what it wants to do. 2602 01:07:04,846 --> 01:07:05,846 If you have a connection 2603 01:07:05,891 --> 01:07:07,110 with your fabrics, 2604 01:07:07,197 --> 01:07:08,807 you'll be the best designer. 2605 01:07:08,894 --> 01:07:10,014 You have to dream of things. 2606 01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:12,419 It has to come in your dreams." 2607 01:07:12,506 --> 01:07:13,638 But I had some 2608 01:07:13,725 --> 01:07:15,466 amazing moments with halston. 2609 01:07:15,553 --> 01:07:16,554 I do want to tell you 2610 01:07:16,641 --> 01:07:17,555 when I first joined halston. 2611 01:07:17,642 --> 01:07:18,773 So the first month 2612 01:07:18,860 --> 01:07:20,036 that I'm here, 2613 01:07:20,123 --> 01:07:21,472 halston says to me, 2614 01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:23,126 "I'm having a party at 54. 2615 01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,867 And I... do you have a tuxedo?" 2616 01:07:25,954 --> 01:07:27,739 I said, "what's a tuxedo?" 2617 01:07:27,826 --> 01:07:28,957 - Halston takes me 2618 01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,350 straight to Elizabeth Taylor, 2619 01:07:30,437 --> 01:07:31,612 and he says, "this is naeem, 2620 01:07:31,699 --> 01:07:34,354 my new assistant from India." 2621 01:07:34,441 --> 01:07:35,529 And I had no idea 2622 01:07:35,616 --> 01:07:37,488 who Elizabeth Taylor was. 2623 01:07:37,575 --> 01:07:38,837 I think it was 2624 01:07:38,924 --> 01:07:40,534 a Valentine's day party. 2625 01:07:40,621 --> 01:07:41,927 All the girls who are serving 2626 01:07:42,014 --> 01:07:44,495 are totally stark naked. 2627 01:07:44,582 --> 01:07:45,844 The pubic hair is shaved 2628 01:07:45,931 --> 01:07:46,845 into a heart shape... 2629 01:07:46,932 --> 01:07:48,020 - Really? 2630 01:07:48,107 --> 01:07:49,021 - And it... and it's pink. 2631 01:07:49,108 --> 01:07:50,153 And I had never heard 2632 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,589 what long island iced tea was, 2633 01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:52,981 because I'm coming from India, 2634 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:54,505 thinking tea. 2635 01:07:54,592 --> 01:07:56,159 So I had four of them. 2636 01:07:56,246 --> 01:07:57,856 And Steve Rubell had painted 2637 01:07:57,943 --> 01:07:59,031 the entire room 2638 01:07:59,118 --> 01:08:01,033 in electric blue. 2639 01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,861 And all this paint has... 2640 01:08:02,948 --> 01:08:04,036 Is slowly getting stuck 2641 01:08:04,123 --> 01:08:05,037 to my jacket. 2642 01:08:05,124 --> 01:08:06,865 I'm electric blue now. 2643 01:08:06,952 --> 01:08:08,040 I take the train, 2644 01:08:08,127 --> 01:08:09,389 and I fall off to sleep 2645 01:08:09,476 --> 01:08:10,912 at 3:00 in the night. 2646 01:08:10,999 --> 01:08:12,088 In the morning I wake up 2647 01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:13,089 with my big afro, 2648 01:08:13,176 --> 01:08:14,090 my blue tuxedo, 2649 01:08:14,177 --> 01:08:15,217 and I see all these people 2650 01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:16,396 coming in suits, 2651 01:08:16,483 --> 01:08:17,483 and the conductor's 2652 01:08:17,528 --> 01:08:18,528 waking me up. 2653 01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:20,530 - I used to be so sick 2654 01:08:20,574 --> 01:08:21,574 in the morning 2655 01:08:21,619 --> 01:08:22,533 when I used to wake up 2656 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:23,925 from all the drinks 2657 01:08:24,012 --> 01:08:25,012 and everything else. 2658 01:08:25,057 --> 01:08:25,927 And then you're back at work 2659 01:08:26,014 --> 01:08:26,928 at 10:00 or 10:30. 2660 01:08:27,015 --> 01:08:27,929 And if you did not, 2661 01:08:28,016 --> 01:08:28,930 and halston was there 2662 01:08:29,017 --> 01:08:29,931 before you, 2663 01:08:30,018 --> 01:08:30,932 forget about it. 2664 01:08:31,019 --> 01:08:32,019 - But it's his fault 2665 01:08:32,064 --> 01:08:32,934 for making you feel that way 2666 01:08:33,021 --> 01:08:33,935 in the first place. 2667 01:08:34,022 --> 01:08:35,023 - No, but he was also... 2668 01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,024 No, he'd say, "you were having 2669 01:08:36,112 --> 01:08:37,200 a good time with me. 2670 01:08:37,287 --> 01:08:39,898 Job comes when job has to be." 2671 01:08:39,985 --> 01:08:42,161 In short, party hard, live hard, 2672 01:08:42,248 --> 01:08:43,902 and have the best life, 2673 01:08:43,989 --> 01:08:45,425 because life is so short. 2674 01:08:45,512 --> 01:08:46,731 And halston lived it. 2675 01:08:46,818 --> 01:08:50,909 He really did. 2676 01:08:57,698 --> 01:08:58,612 - Ladies and gentlemen, 2677 01:08:58,699 --> 01:08:59,699 the president 2678 01:08:59,744 --> 01:09:00,658 of the United States 2679 01:09:00,745 --> 01:09:01,746 and Mrs. Reagan. 2680 01:09:06,620 --> 01:09:07,534 - In 1981, 2681 01:09:07,621 --> 01:09:08,709 with the inauguration 2682 01:09:08,796 --> 01:09:09,971 of Ronald Reagan 2683 01:09:10,058 --> 01:09:11,234 and Nancy Reagan 2684 01:09:11,321 --> 01:09:12,235 coming into the white house 2685 01:09:12,322 --> 01:09:13,584 as first lady, 2686 01:09:13,671 --> 01:09:14,671 designers whose clothes 2687 01:09:14,715 --> 01:09:16,108 were more opulent 2688 01:09:16,195 --> 01:09:17,240 came to the fore. 2689 01:09:17,327 --> 01:09:18,241 Rich people really wanted 2690 01:09:18,328 --> 01:09:22,462 to look rich. 2691 01:09:22,549 --> 01:09:23,637 Halston's kind of 2692 01:09:23,724 --> 01:09:24,943 more minimalist style 2693 01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:27,119 fell out of fashion. 2694 01:09:27,206 --> 01:09:28,555 But I don't think 2695 01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:31,471 that was the real problem. 2696 01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:32,472 I really think it was the fact 2697 01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:33,473 that he'd be going 2698 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:34,474 to the bathroom ten times 2699 01:09:34,561 --> 01:09:35,475 in the middle 2700 01:09:35,562 --> 01:09:36,737 of a business meeting. 2701 01:09:36,824 --> 01:09:38,043 I think the personal problems 2702 01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:39,958 were what really did him in. 2703 01:09:40,045 --> 01:09:41,065 - And when it comes to drugs 2704 01:09:41,089 --> 01:09:44,180 and alcohol, just say no. 2705 01:09:44,267 --> 01:09:45,572 - I mean, 'cause, like, 2706 01:09:45,659 --> 01:09:46,659 halston sustained 2707 01:09:46,704 --> 01:09:47,618 a lot of success 2708 01:09:47,705 --> 01:09:48,749 for a very long time, 2709 01:09:48,836 --> 01:09:49,620 burning the candle at both ends. 2710 01:09:49,707 --> 01:09:50,621 - Well, if you don't 2711 01:09:50,708 --> 01:09:51,839 overdo anything... 2712 01:09:51,926 --> 01:09:52,840 You know, moderation... 2713 01:09:52,927 --> 01:09:53,841 You can get by. 2714 01:09:53,928 --> 01:09:54,842 But I think it's gotta 2715 01:09:54,929 --> 01:09:55,930 affect you, because... 2716 01:09:56,017 --> 01:09:56,844 - Or drain you after a while. 2717 01:09:56,931 --> 01:09:57,845 - Yeah, I mean, I think 2718 01:09:57,932 --> 01:09:59,195 it really... it did. 2719 01:09:59,282 --> 01:10:00,346 I mean, I had to give it up, 2720 01:10:00,370 --> 01:10:02,154 'cause it was just too much. 2721 01:10:02,241 --> 01:10:03,503 - Yeah. 2722 01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:05,244 - I think he probably 2723 01:10:05,331 --> 01:10:06,637 started having too much fun 2724 01:10:06,724 --> 01:10:07,638 in the evenings. 2725 01:10:07,725 --> 01:10:08,639 - Hmm. 2726 01:10:08,726 --> 01:10:10,031 - And then the mornings 2727 01:10:10,118 --> 01:10:11,990 became harder. 2728 01:10:12,077 --> 01:10:12,991 It was sort of unthinkable 2729 01:10:13,078 --> 01:10:14,122 in that person 2730 01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:15,907 that I'd first met. 2731 01:10:15,994 --> 01:10:16,994 That person... 2732 01:10:17,038 --> 01:10:18,170 He didn't have time 2733 01:10:18,257 --> 01:10:19,171 for all of that. 2734 01:10:19,258 --> 01:10:20,303 He was an artist... 2735 01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:21,304 - Yeah. 2736 01:10:21,391 --> 01:10:22,305 - And I was shocked 2737 01:10:22,392 --> 01:10:23,306 when he succumbed 2738 01:10:23,393 --> 01:10:28,049 to the currency of fame. 2739 01:10:29,921 --> 01:10:30,835 - Just sit down 2740 01:10:30,922 --> 01:10:34,055 and work with me. 2741 01:10:37,972 --> 01:10:39,017 - Cassini once had 2742 01:10:39,104 --> 01:10:39,887 this great line about, you know, 2743 01:10:39,974 --> 01:10:40,974 "if your customers 2744 01:10:41,019 --> 01:10:42,107 come to you in a limousine, 2745 01:10:42,194 --> 01:10:43,108 you'll go home in a bus. 2746 01:10:43,195 --> 01:10:44,195 If your customers 2747 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,284 come to you in a bus, 2748 01:10:45,371 --> 01:10:46,242 you'll go home in a limousine." 2749 01:10:46,329 --> 01:10:47,721 The idea was j.C. Penney 2750 01:10:47,808 --> 01:10:49,984 was accessible fashion. 2751 01:10:50,071 --> 01:10:51,334 - I am pleased to announce 2752 01:10:51,421 --> 01:10:52,726 an association 2753 01:10:52,813 --> 01:10:54,337 between halston enterprises 2754 01:10:54,424 --> 01:10:55,947 and j.C. Penney. 2755 01:10:56,034 --> 01:10:57,209 - It was all launched 2756 01:10:57,296 --> 01:10:58,602 at the museum of natural history 2757 01:10:58,689 --> 01:10:59,820 in New York. 2758 01:10:59,907 --> 01:11:00,928 - The question's then asked, 2759 01:11:00,952 --> 01:11:03,084 and we ask again, 2760 01:11:03,171 --> 01:11:05,304 why halston and j.C. Penney? 2761 01:11:05,391 --> 01:11:06,392 - When I was a kid, 2762 01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,046 I always shopped at penney's. 2763 01:11:08,133 --> 01:11:09,047 My mother always took me 2764 01:11:09,134 --> 01:11:10,048 to penney's 2765 01:11:10,135 --> 01:11:11,049 to buy all the clothes 2766 01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:12,050 that we wore to school 2767 01:11:12,137 --> 01:11:13,138 and everything else. 2768 01:11:13,225 --> 01:11:14,226 And it's true. 2769 01:11:14,313 --> 01:11:15,334 I come from des moines, Iowa. 2770 01:11:15,358 --> 01:11:17,577 - The one, the only halston. 2771 01:11:21,755 --> 01:11:22,669 - Thank you very much. 2772 01:11:22,756 --> 01:11:23,888 Thank you very much, 2773 01:11:23,975 --> 01:11:25,368 ladies and gentlemen. 2774 01:11:25,455 --> 01:11:26,804 This has been probably 2775 01:11:26,891 --> 01:11:28,153 the most challenging 2776 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,154 and gratifying 2777 01:11:29,241 --> 01:11:30,155 fashion exercise... 2778 01:11:30,242 --> 01:11:31,243 - Ordinarily, 2779 01:11:31,330 --> 01:11:32,244 halston creates clothes 2780 01:11:32,331 --> 01:11:33,811 that a lot of women like, 2781 01:11:33,898 --> 01:11:35,378 few can afford, however, 2782 01:11:35,465 --> 01:11:36,857 if you'll pardon the expression. 2783 01:11:36,944 --> 01:11:38,250 That is by design. 2784 01:11:38,337 --> 01:11:39,445 But now halston is coming out 2785 01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:40,861 with a line of apparel 2786 01:11:40,948 --> 01:11:42,341 that anybody could afford 2787 01:11:42,428 --> 01:11:44,909 at prices from $10 to $200. 2788 01:11:44,996 --> 01:11:45,910 Starting this summer, 2789 01:11:45,997 --> 01:11:46,911 clothes will be appearing 2790 01:11:46,998 --> 01:11:48,782 at 1,700 j.C. Penney 2791 01:11:48,869 --> 01:11:50,088 department stores 2792 01:11:50,175 --> 01:11:53,613 all across the country. 2793 01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:54,740 Halston says his agreement 2794 01:11:54,788 --> 01:11:56,007 to turn out clothes for penney 2795 01:11:56,094 --> 01:11:58,183 will run for about six years. 2796 01:11:58,270 --> 01:11:59,402 Here it is... 2797 01:11:59,489 --> 01:12:00,838 A billion-dollar deal. 2798 01:12:00,925 --> 01:12:01,839 That's how you would 2799 01:12:01,926 --> 01:12:02,927 describe it, isn't it? 2800 01:12:03,014 --> 01:12:04,058 - Yes, bill, 2801 01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:05,253 it is a billion-dollar contract, 2802 01:12:05,277 --> 01:12:07,018 which is a lot of money 2803 01:12:07,105 --> 01:12:08,019 and a lot of work... 2804 01:12:08,106 --> 01:12:09,020 - Unbelievable. 2805 01:12:09,107 --> 01:12:10,108 - And a lot of jobs 2806 01:12:10,195 --> 01:12:11,109 for a lot of people. 2807 01:12:11,196 --> 01:12:12,110 - Halston III 2808 01:12:12,197 --> 01:12:13,197 exclusive designs... 2809 01:12:14,373 --> 01:12:15,373 - Now this is called 2810 01:12:15,418 --> 01:12:16,332 halston III. 2811 01:12:16,419 --> 01:12:17,333 - It's called halston III. 2812 01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:18,334 - Why? 2813 01:12:18,421 --> 01:12:19,726 - Well, it's really 2814 01:12:19,813 --> 01:12:21,075 the third stage of my career, 2815 01:12:21,162 --> 01:12:22,294 the first being 2816 01:12:22,381 --> 01:12:23,643 in the millinery business, 2817 01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:24,905 and then in fancy clothes 2818 01:12:24,992 --> 01:12:25,906 and dressing all the stars 2819 01:12:25,993 --> 01:12:26,993 and things, 2820 01:12:27,038 --> 01:12:27,952 and now a larger public... 2821 01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:29,954 Dressing America, really. 2822 01:12:30,041 --> 01:12:31,259 - Do you think this is a risk 2823 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:32,260 to your reputation 2824 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:33,349 or career? 2825 01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:34,350 - Oh, I think 2826 01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:35,351 it can only enhance it. 2827 01:12:35,438 --> 01:12:36,352 - Mm-hmm. 2828 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,439 - It's a larger public. 2829 01:12:37,483 --> 01:12:38,547 It's much more interesting. 2830 01:12:38,571 --> 01:12:39,442 I've always wanted to embrace 2831 01:12:39,529 --> 01:12:40,660 that American public. 2832 01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:43,141 And you know, I believe in them. 2833 01:12:43,228 --> 01:12:44,336 It... it's a wonderful thing. 2834 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:45,970 It's always what I wanted to do. 2835 01:12:46,057 --> 01:12:47,450 - 1,700 stores... 2836 01:12:47,537 --> 01:12:49,190 - With the best people ever. 2837 01:12:49,277 --> 01:12:50,191 - The biggest thing, I'm sure, 2838 01:12:50,278 --> 01:12:51,367 you've ever done. 2839 01:12:51,454 --> 01:12:52,672 - Oh, for sure. 2840 01:12:52,759 --> 01:12:53,759 - Hi, can I help you? 2841 01:12:53,804 --> 01:12:54,674 Are you interested in buying 2842 01:12:54,761 --> 01:12:55,761 a halston dress? 2843 01:12:55,806 --> 01:12:56,676 - Are these the same clothes 2844 01:12:56,763 --> 01:12:58,286 that, um, Elizabeth Taylor 2845 01:12:58,374 --> 01:12:59,374 and the celebrities wear? 2846 01:12:59,418 --> 01:13:00,498 - Yes, these are some of... 2847 01:13:01,507 --> 01:13:02,334 - The same type of clothes... 2848 01:13:02,421 --> 01:13:03,466 - I don't see 2849 01:13:03,553 --> 01:13:05,990 where the shoulders are. 2850 01:13:06,077 --> 01:13:07,165 And look at the back. 2851 01:13:07,252 --> 01:13:08,166 - Yeah, well... 2852 01:13:08,253 --> 01:13:09,167 - It's called 2853 01:13:09,254 --> 01:13:10,254 investment dressing. 2854 01:13:10,298 --> 01:13:13,084 - This one is $55. 2855 01:13:13,171 --> 01:13:14,433 - It didn't sell. 2856 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,739 Not only did it not sell, 2857 01:13:15,826 --> 01:13:17,958 but it was discontinued. 2858 01:13:18,045 --> 01:13:19,090 At the same time, 2859 01:13:19,177 --> 01:13:20,483 Bergdorf Goodman wanted to send 2860 01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:22,702 a signal to the design community 2861 01:13:22,789 --> 01:13:23,877 that if you're gonna sell 2862 01:13:23,964 --> 01:13:25,183 a mass retailer, 2863 01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:26,750 you... you're not gonna be able 2864 01:13:26,837 --> 01:13:27,838 to sell Bergdorf Goodman. 2865 01:13:27,925 --> 01:13:29,100 So Bergdorf Goodman 2866 01:13:29,187 --> 01:13:30,101 tossed the line out. 2867 01:13:30,188 --> 01:13:31,232 - Didn't you run 2868 01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:32,427 into some trouble with Bergdorf, 2869 01:13:32,451 --> 01:13:33,844 who was the first fashion... 2870 01:13:33,931 --> 01:13:34,845 - Oh, not at all. 2871 01:13:34,932 --> 01:13:36,020 No, I don't think so. 2872 01:13:36,107 --> 01:13:37,238 You know, Bergdorf... 2873 01:13:37,325 --> 01:13:38,501 You know, I wish them well. 2874 01:13:38,588 --> 01:13:40,503 I started my career at Bergdorf 2875 01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:41,895 and helped make Bergdorf famous. 2876 01:13:41,982 --> 01:13:43,114 But Bergdorf 2877 01:13:43,201 --> 01:13:44,115 is a rather small account 2878 01:13:44,202 --> 01:13:46,726 compared to all America. 2879 01:13:46,813 --> 01:13:47,727 - It was scandalous. 2880 01:13:47,814 --> 01:13:48,859 People were shocked. 2881 01:13:48,946 --> 01:13:49,947 It was like... 2882 01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:51,035 It was as if you heard 2883 01:13:51,122 --> 01:13:52,515 Rolls-Royce was going to do 2884 01:13:52,602 --> 01:13:54,517 supermarket carriages. 2885 01:13:54,604 --> 01:13:55,518 I mean, it... 2886 01:13:55,605 --> 01:13:56,519 The idea of a name... 2887 01:13:56,606 --> 01:13:57,607 - Oh, yeah. 2888 01:13:57,694 --> 01:13:58,521 - That stood for such quality 2889 01:13:58,608 --> 01:13:59,913 and glamour... 2890 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,915 That it would go so down-market 2891 01:14:02,002 --> 01:14:05,397 was alarming. 2892 01:14:05,484 --> 01:14:06,505 - And this is your first trip 2893 01:14:06,529 --> 01:14:07,878 to New York City? 2894 01:14:07,965 --> 01:14:08,966 - Yes, it is. 2895 01:14:09,053 --> 01:14:10,117 - Are you having a good time? 2896 01:14:10,141 --> 01:14:11,403 - Oh, I'm really enjoying it. 2897 01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:12,535 - We made some suggestions 2898 01:14:12,622 --> 01:14:13,884 for you here. 2899 01:14:13,971 --> 01:14:14,972 This coat is the cover 2900 01:14:15,059 --> 01:14:16,756 of the j.C. Penney's catalog. 2901 01:14:16,843 --> 01:14:18,236 This is $120, 2902 01:14:18,323 --> 01:14:19,237 and I don't know 2903 01:14:19,324 --> 01:14:20,456 how in the world 2904 01:14:20,543 --> 01:14:21,457 they make it for that price. 2905 01:14:21,544 --> 01:14:22,544 And this is velvet 2906 01:14:22,588 --> 01:14:24,155 with some ostrich feathers. 2907 01:14:24,242 --> 01:14:26,070 I love using a schoolteacher. 2908 01:14:26,157 --> 01:14:27,332 I just love it. 2909 01:14:27,419 --> 01:14:28,333 - He was considered tainted 2910 01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:29,552 after that. 2911 01:14:29,639 --> 01:14:30,683 - Yeah, I think so. 2912 01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:32,010 - It was such a different time. 2913 01:14:35,166 --> 01:14:36,297 - Diane Von furstenberg 2914 01:14:36,384 --> 01:14:37,384 is a survivor of halston. 2915 01:14:37,429 --> 01:14:38,429 In a way, 2916 01:14:38,474 --> 01:14:39,581 her wrap dress was very much 2917 01:14:39,605 --> 01:14:41,085 like a halston pattern. 2918 01:14:41,172 --> 01:14:42,303 - Hmm. 2919 01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:43,304 - You know, just a simple 2920 01:14:43,391 --> 01:14:44,305 origami pattern... 2921 01:14:44,392 --> 01:14:45,437 - Mm-hmm. 2922 01:14:45,524 --> 01:14:46,438 - Flattered the body. 2923 01:14:46,525 --> 01:14:48,048 - I was young in the '70s. 2924 01:14:48,135 --> 01:14:49,528 I was very young. 2925 01:14:49,615 --> 01:14:50,615 I came to America. 2926 01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:52,575 I was 22. 2927 01:14:52,662 --> 01:14:54,272 I married a prince. 2928 01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:55,839 I had two children. 2929 01:14:55,926 --> 01:14:56,946 And I started a business... 2930 01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:58,842 Everything in the same year. 2931 01:14:58,929 --> 01:14:59,993 I always said that, you know, 2932 01:15:00,017 --> 01:15:01,017 I'm a jet-setter, 2933 01:15:01,061 --> 01:15:03,150 because I took it on a jet. 2934 01:15:03,237 --> 01:15:04,151 Halston created 2935 01:15:04,238 --> 01:15:06,240 such a liberated fashion. 2936 01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:08,895 That is really what inspired me 2937 01:15:08,982 --> 01:15:10,549 to go myself into fashion, 2938 01:15:10,636 --> 01:15:12,159 because it was all about jerseys 2939 01:15:12,246 --> 01:15:14,466 and colors and fluidity. 2940 01:15:14,553 --> 01:15:16,033 And it was a very modern 2941 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,121 approach to fashion. 2942 01:15:17,208 --> 01:15:18,862 It wasn't old-fashioned 2943 01:15:18,949 --> 01:15:20,298 dress-making. 2944 01:15:20,385 --> 01:15:21,995 I was very young. 2945 01:15:22,082 --> 01:15:23,190 The whole world of licensing 2946 01:15:23,214 --> 01:15:24,302 was very new. 2947 01:15:24,389 --> 01:15:25,564 Sometimes you made mistakes, 2948 01:15:25,651 --> 01:15:27,044 because you associated 2949 01:15:27,131 --> 01:15:28,131 with the wrong people 2950 01:15:28,175 --> 01:15:29,481 at the wrong time. 2951 01:15:29,568 --> 01:15:30,568 Uh, for him, 2952 01:15:30,613 --> 01:15:31,527 it was he associated 2953 01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:33,311 with j.C. Penney. 2954 01:15:33,398 --> 01:15:34,312 - Do you think if someone 2955 01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:35,400 was to align themselves 2956 01:15:35,487 --> 01:15:36,401 with j.C. Penney today, 2957 01:15:36,488 --> 01:15:37,968 would that be the same... 2958 01:15:38,055 --> 01:15:39,317 Same reaction? 2959 01:15:39,404 --> 01:15:40,623 - Somebody... you can do it, 2960 01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:41,928 but it's difficult, 2961 01:15:42,015 --> 01:15:44,191 and no one really has succeeded. 2962 01:15:44,278 --> 01:15:45,932 I myself... I mean, you know, 2963 01:15:46,019 --> 01:15:47,412 you do make mistakes. 2964 01:15:47,499 --> 01:15:48,619 But halston's was, you know, 2965 01:15:48,674 --> 01:15:50,502 a combination of... of... 2966 01:15:50,589 --> 01:15:51,503 I don't know. 2967 01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:52,852 He lost his heart into it, 2968 01:15:52,939 --> 01:15:54,071 I guess. 2969 01:15:54,158 --> 01:15:55,638 - Why is that? 2970 01:15:55,725 --> 01:15:56,856 - I don't know. 2971 01:15:56,943 --> 01:15:57,944 It's a lot of, you know, 2972 01:15:58,031 --> 01:15:59,946 '70s phenomenon. 2973 01:16:00,033 --> 01:16:01,033 - Yeah. 2974 01:16:01,078 --> 01:16:04,560 - Abuse. 2975 01:16:04,647 --> 01:16:06,039 - Oh, there's Liza down there 2976 01:16:06,126 --> 01:16:07,040 kissing Andy warhol. 2977 01:16:07,127 --> 01:16:08,041 - Oh, okay. 2978 01:16:08,128 --> 01:16:09,042 - These are these cool 2979 01:16:09,129 --> 01:16:10,043 surfboards that I did, 2980 01:16:10,130 --> 01:16:11,044 one-of-a-kind surfboards. 2981 01:16:11,131 --> 01:16:12,480 That's Salvador dalí. 2982 01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:14,221 For one of warhol's birthdays 2983 01:16:14,308 --> 01:16:16,049 he wrapped up lots of garbage 2984 01:16:16,136 --> 01:16:17,181 in gaffer's tape 2985 01:16:17,268 --> 01:16:18,462 and then just signed it "dalí." 2986 01:16:18,486 --> 01:16:19,575 Check it out. 2987 01:16:19,662 --> 01:16:21,228 Warhol and I wanted to do 2988 01:16:21,315 --> 01:16:22,403 a collaboration. 2989 01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:23,883 - Is that wig... 2990 01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:25,232 - That wig. 2991 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:26,407 Check it out. There you go. 2992 01:16:26,494 --> 01:16:27,583 Talk about history. 2993 01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:29,062 Oh, this here... 2994 01:16:29,149 --> 01:16:30,586 This is a Billy boy doll. 2995 01:16:30,673 --> 01:16:32,413 They somehow think that this is 2996 01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:34,546 anatomically correct. 2997 01:16:34,633 --> 01:16:35,895 - How close were you to warhol? 2998 01:16:35,982 --> 01:16:36,896 - Well, we weren't 2999 01:16:36,983 --> 01:16:37,897 fuck buddies. 3000 01:16:37,984 --> 01:16:38,898 - I'm not asking that, 3001 01:16:38,985 --> 01:16:39,986 for fuck's sake. 3002 01:16:40,073 --> 01:16:40,900 - Well, that's a good answer, 3003 01:16:40,987 --> 01:16:41,901 though, isn't it? 3004 01:16:41,988 --> 01:16:42,902 I could just sit here 3005 01:16:42,989 --> 01:16:43,903 and be warhol-esque 3006 01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:44,904 and just say yes and no. 3007 01:16:44,991 --> 01:16:45,905 - Yes. No. 3008 01:16:45,992 --> 01:16:47,037 - Maybe. 3009 01:16:47,124 --> 01:16:48,144 - I mean, he was a pretty tough 3010 01:16:48,168 --> 01:16:49,169 interview, wasn't he? 3011 01:16:49,256 --> 01:16:50,320 I mean, he'd just kind of make 3012 01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:51,258 people thoroughly uncomfortable. 3013 01:16:51,345 --> 01:16:52,345 - Yes. 3014 01:16:54,348 --> 01:16:55,262 - Hello? 3015 01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:56,437 Oh, my god. How you doing? 3016 01:16:56,524 --> 01:16:58,614 So... 3017 01:16:58,701 --> 01:17:00,920 My publisher's having brunch 3018 01:17:01,007 --> 01:17:02,922 with somebody from I.C.M. 3019 01:17:03,009 --> 01:17:04,445 Do you have a-a story 3020 01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:05,621 about halston? 3021 01:17:05,708 --> 01:17:06,926 Oh, that's very good. 3022 01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:08,164 Oh, that's a very good story. 3023 01:17:08,188 --> 01:17:09,102 This is the story. 3024 01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:10,103 Every time it would be 3025 01:17:10,190 --> 01:17:11,104 Andy warhol's birthday, 3026 01:17:11,191 --> 01:17:12,279 halston would say, 3027 01:17:12,366 --> 01:17:13,517 "it's time for Andy's birthday. 3028 01:17:13,541 --> 01:17:14,934 Let's just go up there 3029 01:17:15,021 --> 01:17:16,457 and give him lots of money, 3030 01:17:16,544 --> 01:17:17,589 crush it up, 3031 01:17:17,676 --> 01:17:19,286 and throw it into the fireplace 3032 01:17:19,373 --> 01:17:21,288 and watch Andy burn his fingers 3033 01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:22,463 trying to get it." 3034 01:17:23,551 --> 01:17:24,640 I have a huge question. 3035 01:17:24,727 --> 01:17:26,293 Was 54 overrated? 3036 01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:27,468 I mean, how great was it? 3037 01:17:27,555 --> 01:17:28,644 - I... it was pretty cool. 3038 01:17:28,731 --> 01:17:29,645 I liked it. 3039 01:17:29,732 --> 01:17:30,646 - Mm-hmm. 3040 01:17:30,733 --> 01:17:31,647 - I-I liked it a lot. 3041 01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:32,648 - Miss it? 3042 01:17:32,735 --> 01:17:33,735 - Not at all. 3043 01:17:33,779 --> 01:17:35,302 It was usually older people 3044 01:17:35,389 --> 01:17:37,130 looking at younger people, 3045 01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:38,305 hoping to get laid... 3046 01:17:39,567 --> 01:17:40,656 - Or it was younger people 3047 01:17:40,743 --> 01:17:42,483 looking to further their career 3048 01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:43,484 with the older people... 3049 01:17:43,571 --> 01:17:44,485 - Okay. 3050 01:17:44,572 --> 01:17:45,573 - And hoping that 3051 01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:46,725 you wouldn't have to get laid. 3052 01:17:46,749 --> 01:17:47,663 I mean, everybody 3053 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:48,750 was working everybody. 3054 01:17:50,056 --> 01:17:52,319 - Uh, hello? 3055 01:17:52,406 --> 01:17:54,670 Hi. I did see that, 3056 01:17:54,757 --> 01:17:55,671 and I have a good... 3057 01:17:55,758 --> 01:17:56,672 I'm so glad, Peter, 3058 01:17:56,759 --> 01:17:57,673 that you called. 3059 01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:58,978 Well, actually this person 3060 01:17:59,065 --> 01:18:00,327 used to supply all the orchids 3061 01:18:00,414 --> 01:18:01,502 to halston. 3062 01:18:01,589 --> 01:18:02,503 I mean, any kind 3063 01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:03,983 of story, Peter. 3064 01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:05,332 - Halston took it 3065 01:18:05,419 --> 01:18:06,682 to an extreme. 3066 01:18:06,769 --> 01:18:07,987 You know, at any one time 3067 01:18:08,074 --> 01:18:08,988 he would probably have 3068 01:18:09,075 --> 01:18:11,338 between 60 and 80 plants. 3069 01:18:13,427 --> 01:18:15,168 - I... well, no more so 3070 01:18:15,255 --> 01:18:16,375 than other part of his life. 3071 01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:19,346 - It is an elaborate party 3072 01:18:19,433 --> 01:18:20,347 by any measure 3073 01:18:20,434 --> 01:18:21,348 of the imagination. 3074 01:18:21,435 --> 01:18:22,349 As halston led me 3075 01:18:22,436 --> 01:18:23,350 through his office, 3076 01:18:23,437 --> 01:18:24,525 I was awed by the scope 3077 01:18:24,612 --> 01:18:25,701 of his sense of what 3078 01:18:25,788 --> 01:18:27,354 entertainment is all about... 3079 01:18:27,441 --> 01:18:29,008 Waiters standing by, 3080 01:18:29,095 --> 01:18:30,357 top-shelf liquor. 3081 01:18:30,444 --> 01:18:31,532 The first question I asked, 3082 01:18:31,619 --> 01:18:33,534 how much this simple home party 3083 01:18:33,621 --> 01:18:35,014 was going to cost. 3084 01:18:35,101 --> 01:18:36,015 - The business manager 3085 01:18:36,102 --> 01:18:37,016 from Beatrice 3086 01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:38,191 pulled me aside one day 3087 01:18:38,278 --> 01:18:39,192 when I was delivering flowers 3088 01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:40,193 to... 3089 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:41,194 He said, "did you know 3090 01:18:41,281 --> 01:18:42,195 that halston is spending 3091 01:18:42,282 --> 01:18:43,370 $60,000 to $100,000 a year 3092 01:18:43,457 --> 01:18:44,720 just on flowers?" 3093 01:18:44,807 --> 01:18:46,547 And I said, "oh, really?" 3094 01:18:46,634 --> 01:18:47,723 - I mean, I-I do remember 3095 01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:50,203 some of these sort of sad irony 3096 01:18:50,290 --> 01:18:51,204 about how halston 3097 01:18:51,291 --> 01:18:52,205 had branded himself 3098 01:18:52,292 --> 01:18:53,729 as one of the chicest, 3099 01:18:53,816 --> 01:18:55,208 coolest designers, 3100 01:18:55,295 --> 01:18:56,557 and he sold himself 3101 01:18:56,644 --> 01:18:57,558 to a big company. 3102 01:18:57,645 --> 01:18:58,734 - Yeah, Norton Simon 3103 01:18:58,821 --> 01:19:00,039 bought him. 3104 01:19:00,126 --> 01:19:01,171 - Right. 3105 01:19:01,258 --> 01:19:02,278 And then the company that makes 3106 01:19:02,302 --> 01:19:03,216 playtex living bras bought it. 3107 01:19:03,303 --> 01:19:04,217 And then what happened, 3108 01:19:04,304 --> 01:19:05,218 Beatrice foods, 3109 01:19:05,305 --> 01:19:06,393 which makes mayonnaise, 3110 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:11,224 bought that company. 3111 01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:12,399 - It's very painful 3112 01:19:12,486 --> 01:19:13,400 to talk about. 3113 01:19:13,487 --> 01:19:14,750 I-I sold the licensing 3114 01:19:14,837 --> 01:19:15,751 of the name 3115 01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:16,752 to a large corporation, 3116 01:19:16,839 --> 01:19:17,753 and it snowballed 3117 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:18,754 out of control. 3118 01:19:18,841 --> 01:19:19,755 - Oh, heavens. 3119 01:19:19,842 --> 01:19:20,843 - The name halston is 3120 01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:22,409 actually owned by j.C. Penney, 3121 01:19:22,496 --> 01:19:24,411 revlon, Beatrice. 3122 01:19:24,498 --> 01:19:25,586 - Yeah, you know... 3123 01:19:27,153 --> 01:19:28,067 - What kind of a gal 3124 01:19:28,154 --> 01:19:29,068 is Beatrice? 3125 01:19:29,155 --> 01:19:30,417 I always think of her 3126 01:19:30,504 --> 01:19:31,592 as a heavy-set woman. 3127 01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:33,246 - As I was trying to say... 3128 01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:35,074 - Here's a man that was so used 3129 01:19:35,161 --> 01:19:36,249 to having, you know, 3130 01:19:36,336 --> 01:19:37,598 thousands of dollars worth 3131 01:19:37,685 --> 01:19:39,252 of orchids in his... 3132 01:19:39,339 --> 01:19:40,776 And now suddenly you have 3133 01:19:40,863 --> 01:19:41,777 a mayonnaise company 3134 01:19:41,864 --> 01:19:43,256 who... who is giving you 3135 01:19:43,343 --> 01:19:44,257 the instructions. 3136 01:19:44,344 --> 01:19:45,432 "We got to cut the budget, 3137 01:19:45,519 --> 01:19:46,519 no more orchids." 3138 01:19:47,695 --> 01:19:48,609 - Do you think his spirit 3139 01:19:48,696 --> 01:19:49,610 was crushed? 3140 01:19:49,697 --> 01:19:50,611 - Yes. Happy holidays. Hi. 3141 01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:52,439 - Bianca, Liza, bacall... 3142 01:19:52,526 --> 01:19:53,614 They adored me. 3143 01:19:53,701 --> 01:19:54,853 Studio 54 was my living room. 3144 01:19:54,877 --> 01:19:56,157 I gave the most fabulous parties 3145 01:19:56,182 --> 01:19:57,096 in New York. 3146 01:19:57,183 --> 01:19:58,097 Well, you can ask anyone, 3147 01:19:58,184 --> 01:19:59,098 of course... 3148 01:19:59,185 --> 01:20:00,099 - Well, now your name 3149 01:20:00,186 --> 01:20:01,187 is tacked on 3150 01:20:01,274 --> 01:20:02,101 cheap luggage and pencil sets. 3151 01:20:02,188 --> 01:20:03,102 As a matter of fact, 3152 01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:04,277 I was shocked to see 3153 01:20:04,364 --> 01:20:05,452 halston aquarium gravel 3154 01:20:05,539 --> 01:20:06,627 at walgreens. 3155 01:20:08,673 --> 01:20:09,805 - You know, the man who... 3156 01:20:09,892 --> 01:20:11,807 Who... who was... um, Mr. Epstein. 3157 01:20:11,894 --> 01:20:13,112 - Carl Epstein. 3158 01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,113 - Carl Epstein. 3159 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:15,288 - Wait, so Carl, 3160 01:20:15,375 --> 01:20:16,289 but he was kind of 3161 01:20:16,376 --> 01:20:17,421 this accountant type, 3162 01:20:17,508 --> 01:20:18,528 I understand, a number cruncher. 3163 01:20:18,552 --> 01:20:19,640 - A number cruncher. 3164 01:20:19,727 --> 01:20:20,879 And they just didn't get along, 3165 01:20:20,903 --> 01:20:22,469 and he did not like the ways 3166 01:20:22,556 --> 01:20:23,470 halston worked... 3167 01:20:23,557 --> 01:20:25,472 Parties, wild life, 3168 01:20:25,559 --> 01:20:26,822 and all that stuff. 3169 01:20:26,909 --> 01:20:28,475 - The rumors of the... of 3170 01:20:28,562 --> 01:20:29,825 the drug-taking were everywhere 3171 01:20:29,912 --> 01:20:32,131 and very big mood swings. 3172 01:20:32,218 --> 01:20:33,306 And he had a bad temper. 3173 01:20:33,393 --> 01:20:34,307 You know, if he didn't 3174 01:20:34,394 --> 01:20:35,482 like something, you know, 3175 01:20:35,569 --> 01:20:36,657 on go the glasses 3176 01:20:36,744 --> 01:20:37,658 with the mirrors, 3177 01:20:37,745 --> 01:20:38,834 so, of course, you have... 3178 01:20:38,921 --> 01:20:40,139 You can't see his eyes. 3179 01:20:40,226 --> 01:20:42,663 You're watching yourself. 3180 01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:44,665 - The last time I saw him 3181 01:20:44,752 --> 01:20:46,667 I was just about to go back 3182 01:20:46,754 --> 01:20:48,321 to Europe to live. 3183 01:20:48,408 --> 01:20:50,846 I was feeling very bad, 3184 01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:52,673 because a lot of my friends 3185 01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:53,849 had passed away, 3186 01:20:53,936 --> 01:20:58,157 um, you know, from aids, 3187 01:20:58,244 --> 01:20:59,332 and I was upset 3188 01:20:59,419 --> 01:21:00,507 with Victor Hugo, 3189 01:21:00,594 --> 01:21:01,508 because I knew 3190 01:21:01,595 --> 01:21:02,683 he was running around 3191 01:21:02,770 --> 01:21:04,163 with all these different men, 3192 01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:08,167 and I was very afraid 3193 01:21:08,254 --> 01:21:10,691 for my friend halston. 3194 01:21:10,778 --> 01:21:11,867 He was more interested 3195 01:21:11,954 --> 01:21:13,172 in what he was putting 3196 01:21:13,259 --> 01:21:14,870 into his body, I suppose, 3197 01:21:14,957 --> 01:21:16,697 than what he was doing, 3198 01:21:16,784 --> 01:21:18,525 and this was the influence 3199 01:21:18,612 --> 01:21:20,310 of Victor Hugo. 3200 01:21:20,397 --> 01:21:23,313 He took him down. 3201 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,880 We were doing a shooting 3202 01:21:24,967 --> 01:21:26,359 with Horace that day, 3203 01:21:26,446 --> 01:21:28,535 and I was his only model. 3204 01:21:28,622 --> 01:21:30,537 And I said to him point blank, 3205 01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:32,191 I said, "halston, 3206 01:21:32,278 --> 01:21:33,714 you have to get out of here." 3207 01:21:33,801 --> 01:21:34,909 I said, "it's time to leave." 3208 01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:35,847 - You told him to leave 3209 01:21:35,934 --> 01:21:36,979 the olympic tower. 3210 01:21:37,066 --> 01:21:38,371 - "Leave," I said. 3211 01:21:38,458 --> 01:21:39,546 "It's time to leave. 3212 01:21:39,633 --> 01:21:41,374 I'm leaving. 3213 01:21:41,461 --> 01:21:43,724 And if I leave, I have dreams, 3214 01:21:43,811 --> 01:21:44,725 and I'm going to live 3215 01:21:44,812 --> 01:21:45,901 a beautiful life. 3216 01:21:45,988 --> 01:21:47,206 I'm going to get a boat 3217 01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:48,555 in the mediterranean. 3218 01:21:48,642 --> 01:21:49,905 Do you want to come? 3219 01:21:49,992 --> 01:21:53,212 Do you want to leave?" 3220 01:21:53,299 --> 01:21:56,563 It was a very spooky moment. 3221 01:21:56,650 --> 01:21:57,913 I felt like things 3222 01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,566 were going like this. 3223 01:21:59,653 --> 01:22:00,567 Good-bye. 3224 01:22:00,654 --> 01:22:01,655 I felt like 3225 01:22:01,742 --> 01:22:05,311 I was saying good-bye to him. 3226 01:22:11,317 --> 01:22:12,579 - Mr. Epstein, Carl Epstein, 3227 01:22:12,666 --> 01:22:13,580 he reported 3228 01:22:13,667 --> 01:22:14,581 to the big companies. 3229 01:22:14,668 --> 01:22:15,582 They said, "you have 3230 01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:16,757 to let halston go." 3231 01:22:16,844 --> 01:22:17,933 - What was the final straw? 3232 01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:19,760 What... what happened? 3233 01:22:19,847 --> 01:22:20,936 - I think they decided 3234 01:22:21,023 --> 01:22:22,241 to pay him to stay home. 3235 01:22:22,328 --> 01:22:23,590 - And that was the demise 3236 01:22:23,677 --> 01:22:24,677 of halston. 3237 01:22:24,722 --> 01:22:25,941 I mean, they were such fools 3238 01:22:26,028 --> 01:22:27,420 to... to have done that. 3239 01:22:27,507 --> 01:22:29,422 It was one man's war 3240 01:22:29,509 --> 01:22:32,860 against halston. 3241 01:22:39,519 --> 01:22:40,607 - He couldn't get 3242 01:22:40,694 --> 01:22:41,608 the business back. 3243 01:22:41,695 --> 01:22:42,609 I mean, the business 3244 01:22:42,696 --> 01:22:43,610 was gone forever. 3245 01:22:43,697 --> 01:22:44,611 - So he could never use 3246 01:22:44,698 --> 01:22:45,612 the name halston again, 3247 01:22:45,699 --> 01:22:46,613 is that correct? 3248 01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:47,614 - No. 3249 01:22:47,701 --> 01:22:48,615 He once made a joke. 3250 01:22:48,702 --> 01:22:49,616 He said, "I don't care. 3251 01:22:49,703 --> 01:22:50,617 I'm gonna go out 3252 01:22:50,704 --> 01:22:51,749 and do my own line. 3253 01:22:51,836 --> 01:22:52,856 I'm gonna call it 'guess who.'" 3254 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:53,794 which I thought 3255 01:22:53,881 --> 01:22:54,970 was such a riot, you know. 3256 01:22:55,057 --> 01:22:55,971 - When whoever 3257 01:22:56,058 --> 01:22:57,059 took over halston, 3258 01:22:57,146 --> 01:22:58,060 they called up all these girls 3259 01:22:58,147 --> 01:22:59,061 that halston 3260 01:22:59,148 --> 01:23:00,192 had given clothes to 3261 01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:01,517 and asked for the clothes back. 3262 01:23:01,541 --> 01:23:02,562 - Then they came actually... 3263 01:23:02,586 --> 01:23:03,650 - And they actually came to 3264 01:23:03,674 --> 01:23:04,825 the door with a security team. 3265 01:23:04,849 --> 01:23:05,869 - And take out all the clothes 3266 01:23:05,893 --> 01:23:06,807 that were in her apartment. 3267 01:23:06,894 --> 01:23:07,983 - That's awful. 3268 01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:08,984 - The company kept being sold, 3269 01:23:09,071 --> 01:23:09,985 and it finally ended up 3270 01:23:10,072 --> 01:23:11,072 in revlon's hands, 3271 01:23:11,116 --> 01:23:11,987 in Ronald perelman's hands. 3272 01:23:12,074 --> 01:23:13,292 And Ronald agreed to try 3273 01:23:13,379 --> 01:23:14,815 and revive the line again. 3274 01:23:14,902 --> 01:23:15,816 - I think a deal 3275 01:23:15,903 --> 01:23:16,817 was about to go down 3276 01:23:16,904 --> 01:23:17,904 with revlon and perelman, 3277 01:23:17,949 --> 01:23:19,057 but then something happened, 3278 01:23:19,081 --> 01:23:20,299 and no one knows why. 3279 01:23:20,386 --> 01:23:21,648 - Perelman was put off 3280 01:23:21,735 --> 01:23:22,649 by halston. 3281 01:23:22,736 --> 01:23:23,824 Halston was making 3282 01:23:23,911 --> 01:23:24,825 incredible demands. 3283 01:23:24,912 --> 01:23:25,826 Like, he wanted 3284 01:23:25,913 --> 01:23:26,827 his own private plane. 3285 01:23:26,914 --> 01:23:29,482 He wanted $250,000 a year 3286 01:23:29,569 --> 01:23:30,657 for orchids, 3287 01:23:30,744 --> 01:23:32,659 um, 'cause, I mean, 3288 01:23:32,746 --> 01:23:34,357 he just... he lost it. 3289 01:23:34,444 --> 01:23:35,488 - I didn't see halston 3290 01:23:35,575 --> 01:23:36,489 in a while, 3291 01:23:36,576 --> 01:23:37,490 'cause, you know, 3292 01:23:37,577 --> 01:23:38,491 studio was closed. 3293 01:23:38,578 --> 01:23:39,578 He wasn't going out. 3294 01:23:39,623 --> 01:23:40,730 - Why did he stop going out? 3295 01:23:40,754 --> 01:23:41,799 - I don't know. 3296 01:23:41,886 --> 01:23:42,906 That's what I really don't know. 3297 01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:44,082 - He and Victor had split up, 3298 01:23:44,106 --> 01:23:45,020 got back together, split up 3299 01:23:45,107 --> 01:23:46,021 a hundred times. 3300 01:23:46,108 --> 01:23:47,022 - Did he get disillusioned 3301 01:23:47,109 --> 01:23:48,110 with the whole scene? 3302 01:23:48,197 --> 01:23:49,024 - I don't know what happened. 3303 01:23:49,111 --> 01:23:50,025 The business, maybe. 3304 01:23:50,112 --> 01:23:51,504 - Things going on. 3305 01:23:51,591 --> 01:23:52,505 - Richard, he was doing 3306 01:23:52,592 --> 01:23:53,506 a lot of drugs. 3307 01:23:53,593 --> 01:23:54,507 - A lot of drugs, yeah. 3308 01:23:54,594 --> 01:23:55,508 - Maybe he was sick. 3309 01:23:55,595 --> 01:23:56,509 I don't know. 3310 01:23:56,596 --> 01:23:57,510 - Yeah. 3311 01:23:57,597 --> 01:23:58,642 - And halston always said 3312 01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:59,793 to me, "naeem, I'm coming back. 3313 01:23:59,817 --> 01:24:00,687 We're gonna be back together, 3314 01:24:00,774 --> 01:24:01,688 and this is 3315 01:24:01,775 --> 01:24:02,689 what we're gonna do." 3316 01:24:02,776 --> 01:24:03,690 We would have 3317 01:24:03,777 --> 01:24:04,691 all these design meetings. 3318 01:24:04,778 --> 01:24:05,692 But it never came about. 3319 01:24:05,779 --> 01:24:06,867 - Oh. 3320 01:24:06,954 --> 01:24:07,868 - And slowly his health faded, 3321 01:24:07,955 --> 01:24:08,869 and then he went away. 3322 01:24:08,956 --> 01:24:09,870 - Yeah. 3323 01:24:09,957 --> 01:24:14,049 - Yeah. 3324 01:24:14,136 --> 01:24:17,052 - He never said to me, 3325 01:24:17,139 --> 01:24:19,880 "I'm gonna die." 3326 01:24:19,967 --> 01:24:22,535 But I knew. 3327 01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:26,365 So i-I'd write him letters. 3328 01:24:26,452 --> 01:24:27,714 You know, I wanted to stay, 3329 01:24:27,801 --> 01:24:28,889 and his brother said to me, 3330 01:24:28,976 --> 01:24:29,890 "you can't. 3331 01:24:29,977 --> 01:24:30,891 You have to go, 3332 01:24:30,978 --> 01:24:31,892 because if you stay, 3333 01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:32,893 he'll know that you know 3334 01:24:32,980 --> 01:24:34,547 something's really wrong." 3335 01:24:34,634 --> 01:24:36,897 And it was very hard to accept. 3336 01:24:36,984 --> 01:24:38,551 And it was at a time 3337 01:24:38,638 --> 01:24:41,554 when aids was just... 3338 01:24:41,641 --> 01:24:42,555 They didn't talk about it. 3339 01:24:42,642 --> 01:24:43,556 - I know. 3340 01:24:43,643 --> 01:24:44,557 - It was something 3341 01:24:44,644 --> 01:24:45,645 to be ashamed of, 3342 01:24:45,732 --> 01:24:46,559 which is ludicrous, you know. 3343 01:24:46,646 --> 01:24:47,646 - Yeah. 3344 01:24:47,691 --> 01:24:48,561 - But that's the way it was, 3345 01:24:48,648 --> 01:24:50,389 and those are the facts. 3346 01:24:50,476 --> 01:24:51,390 - He went to San Francisco, 3347 01:24:51,477 --> 01:24:52,696 and he bought himself 3348 01:24:52,783 --> 01:24:54,176 a Rolls-Royce, 3349 01:24:54,263 --> 01:24:55,568 and he would be in the car, 3350 01:24:55,655 --> 01:24:56,917 and he would drive around 3351 01:24:57,004 --> 01:24:58,093 on his own. 3352 01:24:58,180 --> 01:24:59,746 And he was not talking calls 3353 01:24:59,833 --> 01:25:00,921 from anybody. 3354 01:25:01,008 --> 01:25:02,706 He was by himself. 3355 01:25:02,793 --> 01:25:05,404 - God, i-i... when he died, 3356 01:25:05,491 --> 01:25:06,753 I went nuts. 3357 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:07,754 Really, I went 3358 01:25:07,841 --> 01:25:08,929 into such a depression. 3359 01:25:09,016 --> 01:25:10,757 Well, I-I didn't think... 3360 01:25:10,844 --> 01:25:12,759 I-I knew other people would die, 3361 01:25:12,846 --> 01:25:14,109 'cause they were getting old. 3362 01:25:14,196 --> 01:25:15,936 But halston? No. 3363 01:25:16,023 --> 01:25:17,590 It's very hard to say good-bye 3364 01:25:17,677 --> 01:25:18,809 when you're not allowed to, 3365 01:25:18,896 --> 01:25:19,940 you know. 3366 01:25:20,027 --> 01:25:21,768 - Fashion designer halston, 3367 01:25:21,855 --> 01:25:22,943 who created the pillbox hat 3368 01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:24,423 worn by Jacqueline Kennedy 3369 01:25:24,510 --> 01:25:25,424 at her husband's 3370 01:25:25,511 --> 01:25:26,599 presidential inauguration, 3371 01:25:26,686 --> 01:25:27,686 died last night 3372 01:25:27,731 --> 01:25:28,949 in a San Francisco hospital. 3373 01:25:29,036 --> 01:25:30,429 Halston, who was born 3374 01:25:30,516 --> 01:25:31,778 Roy halston frowick, 3375 01:25:31,865 --> 01:25:33,954 died of aids-related cancer. 3376 01:25:34,041 --> 01:25:37,828 He was 57. 3377 01:26:02,548 --> 01:26:03,984 - When I came back 3378 01:26:04,071 --> 01:26:05,464 to America to live, 3379 01:26:05,551 --> 01:26:06,813 I said, "oh, let me 3380 01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:07,901 walk past halston's house 3381 01:26:07,988 --> 01:26:10,165 and see how I feel about it." 3382 01:26:10,252 --> 01:26:12,167 I stood, and I looked up, 3383 01:26:12,254 --> 01:26:14,169 and a man came over to me, 3384 01:26:14,256 --> 01:26:15,822 and he said, "do you know 3385 01:26:15,909 --> 01:26:17,824 the history of this building? 3386 01:26:17,911 --> 01:26:19,826 Do you know what happened 3387 01:26:19,913 --> 01:26:21,176 in this building? 3388 01:26:21,263 --> 01:26:23,003 Do you know who lived here? 3389 01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:25,180 Do you know what kind 3390 01:26:25,267 --> 01:26:26,659 of exciting people 3391 01:26:26,746 --> 01:26:27,834 and exciting parties 3392 01:26:27,921 --> 01:26:30,489 they used to have? 3393 01:26:30,576 --> 01:26:32,012 That man had no idea 3394 01:26:32,099 --> 01:26:34,667 that I was part of that." 3395 01:26:34,754 --> 01:26:36,539 I listened to his story, 3396 01:26:36,626 --> 01:26:37,670 and it was like 3397 01:26:37,757 --> 01:26:39,672 I wasn't even there. 3398 01:26:39,759 --> 01:26:43,502 I felt like a ghost. 3399 01:26:43,589 --> 01:26:44,503 Smith: What originally 3400 01:26:44,590 --> 01:26:45,852 drew me to halston 3401 01:26:45,939 --> 01:26:47,027 was the glamour, 3402 01:26:47,114 --> 01:26:48,114 the girls, 3403 01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,030 the haze of cigarette smoke 3404 01:26:50,117 --> 01:26:51,206 at 54. 3405 01:26:51,293 --> 01:26:52,511 But what I found 3406 01:26:52,598 --> 01:26:54,034 was something else... 3407 01:26:54,121 --> 01:26:56,036 An artist, a visionary, 3408 01:26:56,123 --> 01:26:57,864 a friend loved by many, 3409 01:26:57,951 --> 01:26:59,214 and above all, 3410 01:26:59,301 --> 01:27:01,216 a true American original. 3411 01:27:01,303 --> 01:27:03,696 The '70s really did belong 3412 01:27:03,783 --> 01:27:05,045 to halston. 3413 01:27:05,132 --> 01:27:07,222 - You can try to imitate, 3414 01:27:07,309 --> 01:27:09,528 but an original is original, 3415 01:27:09,615 --> 01:27:11,051 and it will never come back. 3416 01:27:11,138 --> 01:27:13,532 Memories and pictures 3417 01:27:13,619 --> 01:27:14,881 and films 3418 01:27:14,968 --> 01:27:16,709 are the best thing to enjoy 3419 01:27:16,796 --> 01:27:21,540 what was then. 3420 01:27:21,627 --> 01:27:23,238 - I just recently 3421 01:27:23,325 --> 01:27:25,240 went to a party in a town house, 3422 01:27:25,327 --> 01:27:27,546 and a young girl came in, 3423 01:27:27,633 --> 01:27:28,547 and she was wearing 3424 01:27:28,634 --> 01:27:29,548 a halston dress. 3425 01:27:29,635 --> 01:27:30,723 Her mother had given her 3426 01:27:30,810 --> 01:27:32,725 a hammered satin bias column. 3427 01:27:32,812 --> 01:27:35,902 And this dress stood out 3428 01:27:35,989 --> 01:27:37,556 amongst all the dresses 3429 01:27:37,643 --> 01:27:38,643 in the room, 3430 01:27:38,688 --> 01:27:39,906 amongst all the new clothes. 3431 01:27:39,993 --> 01:27:40,993 This girl's dress, 3432 01:27:41,038 --> 01:27:42,561 when she walked in the room, 3433 01:27:42,648 --> 01:27:45,738 it was like lights came on. 3434 01:27:45,825 --> 01:27:47,262 The strength of halston 3435 01:27:47,349 --> 01:27:48,741 is his work. 3436 01:27:48,828 --> 01:27:50,917 What speaks is the work, 3437 01:27:51,004 --> 01:27:52,267 not what happened to him 3438 01:27:52,354 --> 01:27:53,703 at the end of his life. 3439 01:27:53,790 --> 01:27:54,921 - There's a kind of 3440 01:27:55,008 --> 01:27:56,749 artistic quality to it. 3441 01:27:56,836 --> 01:27:59,230 The demise has an artistic, 3442 01:27:59,317 --> 01:28:01,580 Byron-esque, Rambo 3443 01:28:01,667 --> 01:28:03,103 kind of quality to it. 3444 01:28:03,190 --> 01:28:05,280 It's somebody dying young, 3445 01:28:05,367 --> 01:28:07,586 burning out, overdoing it. 3446 01:28:07,673 --> 01:28:09,284 You know, it's a romantic vision 3447 01:28:09,371 --> 01:28:10,285 of things... 3448 01:28:10,372 --> 01:28:11,286 Do everything 3449 01:28:11,373 --> 01:28:12,765 you're not supposed to do 3450 01:28:12,852 --> 01:28:15,290 and then be celebrated 3451 01:28:15,377 --> 01:28:18,118 when you're gone. 3452 01:28:18,205 --> 01:28:19,294 I'm not so sure 3453 01:28:19,381 --> 01:28:20,599 I would look back at this 3454 01:28:20,686 --> 01:28:21,600 as a morality tale now 3455 01:28:21,687 --> 01:28:22,601 or a cautionary tale. 3456 01:28:22,688 --> 01:28:23,776 - Right. 3457 01:28:23,863 --> 01:28:24,603 - I think it's halston's tale. 3458 01:28:24,690 --> 01:28:25,735 It was his story 3459 01:28:25,822 --> 01:28:27,302 the way he wanted to have it go. 3460 01:28:27,389 --> 01:28:28,303 - He was a great... 3461 01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:29,782 Halston was a great person 3462 01:28:29,869 --> 01:28:31,131 and a great designer 3463 01:28:31,218 --> 01:28:32,307 and a tragic figure 3464 01:28:32,394 --> 01:28:34,134 because of that. 3465 01:28:34,221 --> 01:28:36,311 You know, you can't be tragic 3466 01:28:36,398 --> 01:28:37,790 unless there's some greatness 3467 01:28:37,877 --> 01:28:41,228 there in the first place. 199580

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