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Smith: The '70s
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had everything...
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Sex, drugs, disco,
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and great fashion.
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When I was a kid,
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I used to read about halston
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in magazines
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reigning over studio 54
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surrounded by beautiful models
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in a cloud of cigarette smoke.
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To me,
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he was the coolest.
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- He was everything
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the '70s was.
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Halston is everything
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the '70s was.
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It was chic.
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It was fun.
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It was a little bit naughty.
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- He was a great designer,
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one of the greatest
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American designers ever.
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And the clothes
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still stand up today.
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- Halston had such
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an amazing sort of presence.
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He looked like kind of
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movie star version
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of what a designer is.
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- I grew up in Hollywood,
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and nothing was as glamorous
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as halston.
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- He looked
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like a matinee idol.
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He lived like a pasha.
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- All the girls
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were around him.
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They were kind of sitting
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at his feet, you know?
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And I was wondering,
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who is this guy
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that they seem to be worshiping?
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- He was the party.
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It was the celebrities that
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were hanging around with him.
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- They danced all night
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and then they slept in the day,
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and the next night,
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they did the same thing,
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all dressed up again.
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Halston was an extremist.
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I mean, his designs were large.
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He was large.
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His fun was large.
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His partying was large.
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It's unfortunate
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how it all ended.
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- His influence
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was tremendous,
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but he is a bit forgotten.
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Smith: My name is
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Whitney Smith,
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and I always wanted
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to make a film
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about that glamorous,
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decadent time.
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So over the next few years,
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equipped with a series
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of unfortunate haircuts,
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I set out in search of halston.
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Smith: My first stop
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was halston's best friend
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and confidant
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the one and only
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Liza minnelli.
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As she was closer to him
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than anyone,
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it seemed like the perfect place
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to begin.
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- Like my puppy.
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My puppy is a Hollywood puppy.
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She never barks.
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Uh, so is this a halston
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you're wearing?
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- This blouse is, yes.
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- The blouse is?
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- And, um, these are pants
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that he designed
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a long time ago.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- They're stretch velvet.
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They're wonderful.
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- Beautiful. Can I feel?
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- Sure.
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- Very soft.
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- It is.
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- What was, uh, halston like
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as a human being?
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His kind of flair?
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- He was daring
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and unstoppable.
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Unstoppable.
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An all-American kid
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from the midwest.
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He made it in New York
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because he understood
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what people needed and wanted.
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He'd say,
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"you can't just do something.
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You gotta really...
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You gotta disturb 'em."
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- How do you mean disturb 'em?
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- Well, he used to say,
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"you gotta fuck 'em up."
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- Good for him.
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You know,
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he knew what he was doing.
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He had an eye.
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He cut the skirt differently.
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It flared beautifully.
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And he was the first person
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to be considered by Europe
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a real American
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fashion designer.
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- And what was it like,
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you know, when you would
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hang out with halston,
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you know, during a...
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- Wonderful.
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- Yeah.
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- I don't know.
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We... we just were so close.
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He was my big brother.
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I loved him.
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I trusted him.
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He protected me.
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He was my family.
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This house
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that we're sitting in,
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I saw this apartment,
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and I thought, oh, my god,
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this is way too big.
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I wouldn't know what to do here.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- And I brought halston over,
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and he said, "it's perfect!"
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I said, "it's perfect?"
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- Uh-huh.
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- "What are you talkin' about?"
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- He said,
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"don't worry about it.
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You go off to Tahoe
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and do what you have to do."
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And they designed
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the whole apartment.
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I came home, and Mark and I
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walked in the front door,
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and the whole place
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was candlelit.
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There were candles on... little...
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You know, the votives...
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On every table.
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The lights were perfect.
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We walked into
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the most beautiful apartment
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I had ever seen in my life.
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And he'd gone
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to all that trouble
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and then left
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so that we could discover it
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ourselves.
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It was just beautiful.
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And then, of course,
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it was on the cover
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of "architectural digest."
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- Was it?
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- Yes.
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- Really?
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- Absolutely. Big spread.
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- That's great.
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So towards the end, you know,
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you were the one person
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to really stand by his side.
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- Oh, well, no,
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a lot of people did.
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- Did they?
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- Oh, sure. Elizabeth Taylor
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and all... you know, every...
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- You seemed like
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his most loyal friend.
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- No, I was his closest friend.
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- Closest friend.
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- Not his most loyal.
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All his friends were loyal
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who were real friends.
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You know, everybody I know
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loved him so much.
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And when he died,
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I gave him a, uh, memorial.
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- What did you sing
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at the memorial?
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Did you sing?
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- No.
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- Oh, you didn't?
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- It wasn't about me.
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It was about him.
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It was for him.
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- Yeah, it was very touching.
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Yeah, well,
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thank you so incredibly much.
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I mean, it was a great honor...
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- Okay, well,
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I'll tell you what.
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Now you have some good areas
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to go look at.
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- Absolutely. Okay.
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- Go do some research.
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Find out about stuff.
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And find out about
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the solid stuff.
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Fuck the gossip.
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- I don't worry about
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the gossip, no.
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- No, this is a great American
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who changed fashion in amer...
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- Absolutely, yeah.
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- He put us on the map.
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Really, I urge you
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to not go for the trashy stuff.
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You know, like you said.
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The... this stuff.
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Look behind that.
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- Yeah.
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- You gotta fuck 'em up.
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It was true.
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- So, mom, what do you think
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from my past
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inspired me to do this film?
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- From your childhood...
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Childhood influences?
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- Sure. Yeah.
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- Well, let me see.
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You used to watch
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"smokey and the bandit."
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[Jerry Reed's "when you're hot,
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- I know you loved the '70s,
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but I don't quite understand
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what it was
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about a fashion designer,
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although,
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now that I think about it,
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you've always been interested
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in fashion.
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In fact, when we lived
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in Washington,
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you were voted
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best-dressed list.
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- In 1989.
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- 1989.
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- Great year.
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- Mm-hmm.
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I hope it's a big success.
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Here's to you.
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- Thanks, mom.
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- So you can take care of me
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in my old age.
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Smith: While down south,
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I find out there was
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a halston archive
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buried somewhere in the depths
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of Nashville, Tennessee.
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So I decided to investigate.
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- We're gathered today
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in the home of lipscomb center
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for spiritual renewal.
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As we commit ourselves
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to the spiritual formation
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of our students,
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long view,
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or as the center's director
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Carl mckelvey calls it...
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Smith: Scrapbooks,
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boxes with, like,
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weird reel tapes and...
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A "vogue" cutout.
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More scrapbooks,
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press clippings.
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Smith: I don't think
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anyone's been through this
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since the '80s.
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This is all that remains
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of his life and work.
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- It's a bit strange and ironic
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that someone who represented
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the excess of the '70s
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would end up here
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in a Bible college.
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- When we first acquired
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halston borghese,
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I don't think we were really
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totally aware
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that we had the archives.
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- Sorry.
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I don't want these doors open.
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- All right,
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you want to start again?
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'Cause I don't have the time.
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Is that it?
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- We'll be in and out.
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- I kind of stumbled
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on the archives.
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All I saw is this inventory
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that said I had, I don't know,
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58 boxes or something.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- But it didn't say
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what was in the boxes.
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- Yeah.
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- You can tell
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we do this a lot, can't you?
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- Do you?
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- Yeah.
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I do fox on... on what?
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Monday again?
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- Now how did it end up
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at lipscomb university?
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- Well, my mother lives
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in Nashville, Tennessee.
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- Did you talk to f.I.I.
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Or any other schools?
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- Yes, f.I.I. Had some halston.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Um, and really couldn't take
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all the... the entire archives.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- But I realized
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that I had a resource...
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- Yeah.
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- That I wanted to make sure
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was preserved.
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I wanted to give it...
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- To a university
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that, um, would appreciate it.
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- Mm.
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- And I wanted some place
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that it could be
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the cornerstone
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of their fashion, uh, institute.
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- Oh, that's great, yeah.
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We went
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and traveled down there,
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and, uh, we were, you know,
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really blown away
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by the whole presentation.
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We opened some boxes...
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- Well, then you know... you know
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what that experience is like.
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- Absolutely.
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- It was the same thing
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that happened to me
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opening those boxes.
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- That's good, so I...
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Well, that's all we needed.
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That'll be great.
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I'm glad you told the story.
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- Oh, that was easy.
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- See, wasn't that easy?
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- That was so easy.
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- See, I told you
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it would be painless.
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- Oh, dear.
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- So, wanderer,
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in Hollywood cinematic terms,
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you're, like, the...
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The wiseman guiding me on this
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incredible journey of discovery.
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- Okay.
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- If that's all right.
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- Absolutely.
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- So, like, um,
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so what were designers doing
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before halston came along?
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What was going on fashion-wise?
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- Fashion-wise, halston, uh,
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came along at a time
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when fashion was changing.
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Until 1961,
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with the arrival
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of Jacqueline Kennedy
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in the white house,
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fashion was not Democratic.
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Halston had been a milliner
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at Bergdorf Goodman
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making hats
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for the covers of "vogue,"
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creating images of fantasy
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and also images
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of practicality in hats.
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His salon at Bergdorf
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was the place when women
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still had to wear hats.
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So halston was assigned
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by Mrs. Vreeland
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to help Jacqueline Kennedy
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with her inaugural wardrobe,
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and...
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- Sorry, if I can interrupt...
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But Diana vreeland...
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Who is she exactly?
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- Well, I'm gonna talk
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about halston.
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I don't want to talk about
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fashion of Diana vreeland.
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I don't want to do history,
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and so let me talk.
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Don't interrupt.
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- Okay.
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- Diana vreeland
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was a fashion editor at "vogue,"
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and she was a great catalyst
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for fashion.
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Mrs. Vreeland and halston
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together, I think, suggested
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that Jacqueline Kennedy
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not wear a fur coat,
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but wear a cloth coat
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and then the pillbox hat.
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Halston created
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the famous pillbox hat.
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It was a total turnabout
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from what the former
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first ladies would wear
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to the inaugural.
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And with that uniform,
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that opened
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the world of fashion.
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So what halston stood for,
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even from the beginning,
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was American simplicity.
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It was a time when fashion...
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[Cell phone alert playing
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Daniel decatur Emmett's
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- Excuse me, Andre.
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Careful of the...
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- You should be telling him
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be careful
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about his cell phone ringing.
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I mean... I mean,
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tell him about the cell phone.
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Something about...
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- Shit.
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You're from the south.
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- Oh, am I confederate...
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Did confederate soldiers
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march or some shit?
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- It's "Dixie."
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- Oh, "Dixie." Oh, god.
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You would have that
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on your cell phone.
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As we live and breathe.
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Can I have another cappuccino,
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please?
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Um,
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then with Jacqueline Kennedy,
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then he decided
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to leave Bergdorf Goodman
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and go on his own
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and do ready-to-wear
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with a few investors
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and partners,
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one of them being
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a former "vogue" editor
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Frances patiky Stein,
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he opened up his own business
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on the Upper East Side
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in a town house
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that became the first
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modern couture establishment
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in America.
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- Was he the first American
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haute couturiere?
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- No.
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- Couturier?
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- Before halston,
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there was Norman norell
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who was the master,
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mainbocher...
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- She has to go sit down.
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She's distracting.
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Tell her to go sit down.
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- Sit down.
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You're ruining everything.
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Narrator: It was
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only just a few years ago
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that when one thought
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of fashion designers,
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names like givenchy and Chanel
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came to mind.
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But now for the first time,
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an American designer
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has appeared on the scene
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and threatens to eclipse
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even the best
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of the French masters.
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- Minimalism he invented.
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The one-note look.
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Before that, people were wearing
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dressmaker suits,
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all of the great
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American designers,
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and never thought
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to just fall back
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on some elegance and simplicity.
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Halston's favorite phrase
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was "less is more."
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A girl would
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come into a luncheon
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in a halston cashmere twin set
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and a skirt and a harness belt
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around her waist,
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a bangle or cuff
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from Elsa peretti
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or a silver vase
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with a little orchid in it.
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Cashmere... I mean, the idea
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of 6-ply cashmere,
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I'd never heard of.
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Halston knew his business
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from inside out.
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He absolutely knew
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what the fabrics were.
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Hammered satin...
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He knew where the best
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hammered satin came from.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- He knew everything
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about making clothes.
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When he showed his collections,
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there was such innovation.
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He had an American sensibility
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that had never been seen before.
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- And it was innovative,
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modern, unique, original.
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I was working with...
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At the time,
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and I thought it was fabulous.
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The clothes really worked...
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Casual chic.
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- What can I do
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to get to the heart of halston?
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Who should I talk to?
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- Elsa peretti.
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But I don't know
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if Elsa peretti's
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gonna talk to you.
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- Why?
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- I don't know.
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Did she say she would?
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- No.
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- No.
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00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:46,886
- Well, how do I talk to her?
562
00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:47,974
- It might be difficult,
563
00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:49,081
but Elsa peretti and halston...
564
00:14:49,105 --> 00:14:50,169
She was the one who created
565
00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:50,977
the simplicity of the jewelry.
566
00:14:51,064 --> 00:14:52,108
She was almost his muse.
567
00:14:52,195 --> 00:14:53,390
There you go over to Tiffany's,
568
00:14:53,414 --> 00:14:54,458
and you'll see all
569
00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:55,329
of Elsa peretti's candlesticks,
570
00:14:55,416 --> 00:14:56,330
her bone stuff,
571
00:14:56,417 --> 00:14:57,548
her diamonds by the yard.
572
00:14:57,635 --> 00:14:58,636
It was all done
573
00:14:58,723 --> 00:14:59,831
in collaboration with halston.
574
00:14:59,855 --> 00:15:00,856
She and halston
575
00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:02,205
were very, very close friends.
576
00:15:02,292 --> 00:15:03,292
Narrator: He receives
577
00:15:03,337 --> 00:15:04,207
for lunch every day upstairs
578
00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:05,208
on the third floor,
579
00:15:05,295 --> 00:15:06,209
amidst the down-filled,
580
00:15:06,296 --> 00:15:08,385
ultrasuede furniture
581
00:15:08,472 --> 00:15:09,473
the tropical plants,
582
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:10,474
the rock music,
583
00:15:10,561 --> 00:15:12,215
and the scented candles.
584
00:15:12,302 --> 00:15:13,390
At a typical lunch
585
00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:14,391
one day last week,
586
00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:15,478
he's guests were
587
00:15:15,523 --> 00:15:16,543
photographer Barry berenson,
588
00:15:16,567 --> 00:15:18,439
socialite Mrs. Douglas...
589
00:15:18,526 --> 00:15:20,528
Artist Victor Hugo,
590
00:15:20,615 --> 00:15:22,747
fashion illustrator Joe eula,
591
00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:24,358
and Andy warhol superstar
592
00:15:24,445 --> 00:15:25,445
pat ast.
593
00:15:26,447 --> 00:15:27,361
- Joe eula the illustrator
594
00:15:27,448 --> 00:15:29,276
was very close to halston,
595
00:15:29,363 --> 00:15:30,538
and they were like brothers,
596
00:15:30,625 --> 00:15:32,322
and Joe eula, halston, and Elsa
597
00:15:32,409 --> 00:15:33,323
was like a triumvirate
598
00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:34,411
of great talent
599
00:15:34,498 --> 00:15:36,022
and great personality.
600
00:15:36,109 --> 00:15:37,023
Unfortunately, it's too late.
601
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:38,024
You waited too late.
602
00:15:38,111 --> 00:15:39,025
You started too late.
603
00:15:39,112 --> 00:15:40,026
Joe eula has gone on
604
00:15:40,113 --> 00:15:41,027
to the great beyond.
605
00:15:41,114 --> 00:15:42,114
You should have talked
606
00:15:42,158 --> 00:15:43,246
to Joe eula at his bedside.
607
00:15:43,333 --> 00:15:44,247
You would have had
608
00:15:44,334 --> 00:15:45,248
a great story.
609
00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:46,249
Working on a collection
610
00:15:46,336 --> 00:15:47,337
had to be extraordinary.
611
00:15:47,424 --> 00:15:48,251
I can imagine what it was like
612
00:15:48,338 --> 00:15:49,339
at 6:00 in the morning.
613
00:15:49,426 --> 00:15:50,340
They're still doing fittings,
614
00:15:50,427 --> 00:15:51,254
and Elsa's standing there
615
00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:52,255
being draped.
616
00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:53,691
Joe eula's sketching.
617
00:15:53,778 --> 00:15:54,823
Halston's designing.
618
00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:55,824
The people are running
619
00:15:55,911 --> 00:15:57,260
in and out of the rooms.
620
00:15:57,347 --> 00:15:58,522
Halston worked
621
00:15:58,609 --> 00:16:00,872
with such passion.
622
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,111
- Let's see you turn in that.
623
00:16:02,135 --> 00:16:04,572
Let's see. All right. Okay.
624
00:16:04,659 --> 00:16:05,573
- It's so soft.
625
00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:06,574
I can't believe that...
626
00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:07,661
- You're in chiffon.
627
00:16:07,705 --> 00:16:08,576
- Oh, halston, wait till you
628
00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:09,663
see me. I'm so beautiful.
629
00:16:11,448 --> 00:16:12,536
- How do you feel when you,
630
00:16:12,623 --> 00:16:13,537
say, walk into a restaurant
631
00:16:13,624 --> 00:16:14,538
in New York,
632
00:16:14,625 --> 00:16:15,539
and a lady comes in
633
00:16:15,626 --> 00:16:16,540
looking smashing
634
00:16:16,627 --> 00:16:17,541
in a halston outfit?
635
00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:19,935
- I'm very proud.
636
00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:21,023
I'm just very proud,
637
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:24,679
if somebody looks good in it.
638
00:16:29,162 --> 00:16:30,424
Smith: I had zero luck
639
00:16:30,511 --> 00:16:31,425
in tracking down
640
00:16:31,512 --> 00:16:33,688
the elusive Elsa peretti.
641
00:16:33,775 --> 00:16:35,777
I did however get a lead
642
00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:36,778
on the designer
643
00:16:36,865 --> 00:16:37,909
who come consider to be
644
00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,563
halston's heir apparent.
645
00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:40,564
- There could have been
646
00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:41,565
no zoran.
647
00:16:41,652 --> 00:16:42,566
There could have been
648
00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:44,786
no Donna karan or me
649
00:16:44,873 --> 00:16:46,440
or many other people
650
00:16:46,527 --> 00:16:47,527
without that man
651
00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:48,442
plugging into the aesthetic
652
00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:49,443
of American fashion.
653
00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:50,531
And anybody
654
00:16:50,618 --> 00:16:52,489
that doesn't admit it should.
655
00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:54,796
This man has a body of work
656
00:16:54,883 --> 00:16:59,714
that's undeniably untouchable.
657
00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:00,715
Before we start,
658
00:17:00,802 --> 00:17:01,802
I just need one thing...
659
00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:03,848
- Yeah, sure.
660
00:17:03,935 --> 00:17:04,806
- And then we're going to talk.
661
00:17:04,893 --> 00:17:05,893
I'm all yours.
662
00:17:06,895 --> 00:17:07,809
- Yes?
663
00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:08,810
- Could you bring me
664
00:17:08,897 --> 00:17:09,897
three excedrin?
665
00:17:10,942 --> 00:17:11,856
- Thanks.
666
00:17:11,943 --> 00:17:12,857
What are you looking for?
667
00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:13,945
- Well, I was looking...
668
00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:14,946
You have a picture...
669
00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:15,947
This is a halston, right?
670
00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:17,079
- It is.
671
00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:18,080
And that's ultrasuede.
672
00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:19,081
- That's ultrasuede.
673
00:17:19,168 --> 00:17:20,213
- It's ultrasuede.
674
00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:21,953
Ultrasuede is a polyester fiber
675
00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:22,954
that has been
676
00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:23,955
synthetically made.
677
00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:25,392
It was made in Japan,
678
00:17:25,479 --> 00:17:26,567
introduced originally
679
00:17:26,654 --> 00:17:27,829
by issey miyake.
680
00:17:27,916 --> 00:17:29,004
It was halston
681
00:17:29,091 --> 00:17:30,353
who had the brilliance
682
00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,528
and the insight...
683
00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:32,529
- Mm-hmm.
684
00:17:32,616 --> 00:17:33,530
- To say, "oh, my god.
685
00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:34,662
We have a synthetic that
686
00:17:34,749 --> 00:17:35,967
acts like a luxury fiber"...
687
00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:37,143
- Ahh.
688
00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:38,448
- "But it's so practical."
689
00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:39,535
Because he did have
690
00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:40,660
this brilliance of marrying
691
00:17:40,711 --> 00:17:42,017
practicality with luxury.
692
00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:43,212
You can pop all of this stuff
693
00:17:43,236 --> 00:17:44,672
in a washer
694
00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:45,803
and just hang dry it,
695
00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:46,978
and it dried perfectly
696
00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,937
with the nap coming down
697
00:17:49,024 --> 00:17:50,504
and no distortion to it.
698
00:17:50,591 --> 00:17:51,505
- Uh-huh.
699
00:17:51,592 --> 00:17:52,506
- And he did
700
00:17:52,593 --> 00:17:53,507
that famous shirtwaist.
701
00:17:53,594 --> 00:17:54,594
- Shirtwaist.
702
00:17:54,638 --> 00:17:55,509
- It was a shirtwaist dress,
703
00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:56,510
and it sold
704
00:17:56,597 --> 00:17:57,511
more than any other dress
705
00:17:57,598 --> 00:17:58,598
every in history.
706
00:17:58,642 --> 00:17:59,750
He gave birth to ultrasuede.
707
00:17:59,774 --> 00:18:01,602
Revolutionary.
708
00:18:01,689 --> 00:18:02,603
The chic
709
00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:04,387
and the change in fashion
710
00:18:04,474 --> 00:18:05,910
was overnight.
711
00:18:05,997 --> 00:18:07,477
Everything was obliterated.
712
00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:09,871
Nothing looked tasteful anymore.
713
00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:10,872
Everyone flocked.
714
00:18:10,959 --> 00:18:11,873
Everyone wore
715
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,048
cashmere separates.
716
00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:15,006
Everybody looked incredible.
717
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,399
Besides having
718
00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:18,619
a serious, res... deep, deep,
719
00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:19,794
deep respect for this man,
720
00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:21,839
he also gave me
721
00:18:21,926 --> 00:18:24,015
my first job in this industry.
722
00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:25,495
I wasn't in the front
723
00:18:25,582 --> 00:18:26,496
saying, "divine."
724
00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:27,671
- Mm-hmm.
725
00:18:27,758 --> 00:18:28,758
- I was in the back
726
00:18:28,803 --> 00:18:29,883
working and making muslins.
727
00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:30,848
- What'd you learn from halston
728
00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:31,849
while you were working there.
729
00:18:31,936 --> 00:18:33,068
- He, one evening,
730
00:18:33,155 --> 00:18:34,939
took a pair of scissors,
731
00:18:35,026 --> 00:18:35,940
threw a bolt
732
00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:37,027
of purple silk chiffon
733
00:18:37,072 --> 00:18:39,205
on the floor... on the floor...
734
00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:40,206
Knew exactly where it was
735
00:18:40,293 --> 00:18:43,557
going to go in dimension,
736
00:18:43,644 --> 00:18:45,907
and cut into cloth,
737
00:18:45,994 --> 00:18:46,908
and he cut a dress out
738
00:18:46,995 --> 00:18:49,171
with no seams.
739
00:18:49,258 --> 00:18:50,172
There are no seams.
740
00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:51,173
It wraps around the body
741
00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:52,740
in once piece,
742
00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:53,978
and the top part just catches
743
00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:55,786
at the top of the neck.
744
00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:56,787
And as a woman walks...
745
00:18:56,874 --> 00:18:57,874
- Mm.
746
00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:58,789
- It opens from down there,
747
00:18:58,876 --> 00:18:59,790
and she becomes...
748
00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:00,791
She sort of becomes naked
749
00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:03,577
in this vapor of chiffon.
750
00:19:03,664 --> 00:19:04,578
This was
751
00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:05,579
the most incredible thing
752
00:19:05,666 --> 00:19:06,710
I've ever seen in my life.
753
00:19:06,797 --> 00:19:07,798
Do you know anybody that
754
00:19:07,885 --> 00:19:08,949
can look at a piece of fabric
755
00:19:08,973 --> 00:19:10,133
and think in three dimensions
756
00:19:10,192 --> 00:19:11,237
and cut it right there
757
00:19:11,324 --> 00:19:12,455
on the floor?
758
00:19:12,542 --> 00:19:15,197
I don't.
759
00:19:34,782 --> 00:19:35,913
- Hi, how you doing?
760
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:36,914
Smith: A must stop
761
00:19:37,001 --> 00:19:38,046
on my search
762
00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:39,047
is the costume institute
763
00:19:39,134 --> 00:19:40,179
which resides
764
00:19:40,266 --> 00:19:41,180
in the heart of the met.
765
00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:42,181
In addition to throwing
766
00:19:42,268 --> 00:19:43,268
the gala of the year,
767
00:19:43,312 --> 00:19:44,226
the institute preserves
768
00:19:44,313 --> 00:19:45,227
the works
769
00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:46,620
of the greatest designers.
770
00:19:46,707 --> 00:19:47,621
- Well, here we are.
771
00:19:47,708 --> 00:19:48,622
- Hi, Harold.
772
00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:49,623
- Whitney, how are you?
773
00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:50,624
Pleasure to meet you.
774
00:19:50,711 --> 00:19:51,625
- Well, thank you so much
775
00:19:51,712 --> 00:19:52,626
for your time.
776
00:19:52,713 --> 00:19:53,627
- So much of what
777
00:19:53,714 --> 00:19:54,628
made halston a genius
778
00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:55,715
is unseen in terms
779
00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:57,152
of the actual clothing.
780
00:19:57,239 --> 00:19:58,153
He was no creator
781
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,111
of new forms of dress.
782
00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,288
They're very simple shapes...
783
00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,725
A tank top neckline
784
00:20:04,812 --> 00:20:06,161
or a dolman sleeve.
785
00:20:06,248 --> 00:20:08,076
But where they're different
786
00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:09,077
is the way that the actual
787
00:20:09,164 --> 00:20:11,993
garment is constructed.
788
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,908
Unlike a normal caftan,
789
00:20:13,995 --> 00:20:14,909
which is cut
790
00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:15,910
on the straight grain
791
00:20:15,997 --> 00:20:16,997
and, you know, all...
792
00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:17,912
Everything aligns like this,
793
00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:18,913
well, what he's done
794
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,306
is he's played with it.
795
00:20:20,393 --> 00:20:21,829
Everything is on the bias.
796
00:20:21,916 --> 00:20:22,830
Everything is
797
00:20:22,917 --> 00:20:23,961
at a 45-degree angle.
798
00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,094
It then cleaves to all
799
00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:27,791
the high points of the body...
800
00:20:27,878 --> 00:20:29,315
The top of the hip line,
801
00:20:29,402 --> 00:20:31,926
the bust, the shoulder.
802
00:20:32,013 --> 00:20:32,927
It's an incredibly
803
00:20:33,014 --> 00:20:34,014
flattering way
804
00:20:34,058 --> 00:20:35,669
to create volume,
805
00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:36,670
constructed in a way
806
00:20:36,757 --> 00:20:37,801
that nobody had thought
807
00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:39,325
of constructing a dress before.
808
00:20:39,412 --> 00:20:41,196
If that was folded metal,
809
00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:42,197
it would be
810
00:20:42,284 --> 00:20:43,546
extraordinary sculpture.
811
00:20:43,633 --> 00:20:45,766
I really regret that he himself
812
00:20:45,853 --> 00:20:47,028
never talked about
813
00:20:47,115 --> 00:20:48,856
the making of things.
814
00:20:48,943 --> 00:20:50,336
He always talked about
815
00:20:50,423 --> 00:20:52,033
the women who were wearing it.
816
00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:53,252
- You are as good
817
00:20:53,339 --> 00:20:55,341
as the people you dress.
818
00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:56,690
Elizabeth Taylor,
819
00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:57,691
Jackie onassis,
820
00:20:57,778 --> 00:20:58,822
Bianca Jagger,
821
00:20:58,909 --> 00:20:59,823
Betty Ford,
822
00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:01,695
Candice Bergen.
823
00:21:01,782 --> 00:21:03,262
- He had the matrons
824
00:21:03,349 --> 00:21:05,176
and Marisa berenson.
825
00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:06,177
The it girl of the moment
826
00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:07,178
was wearing halston
827
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:08,179
at the same time
828
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:09,703
as Kay Graham.
829
00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:10,921
And it's the same clothing.
830
00:21:11,008 --> 00:21:13,359
Who does that anymore?
831
00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:14,360
- I had one time...
832
00:21:14,447 --> 00:21:15,665
58 of 'em showed up
833
00:21:15,752 --> 00:21:16,884
in the same dress,
834
00:21:16,971 --> 00:21:18,364
which was an ultrasuede dress,
835
00:21:18,451 --> 00:21:19,669
which we sold
836
00:21:19,756 --> 00:21:20,801
a few hundred thousand of.
837
00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:21,908
But it was one of those dresses
838
00:21:21,932 --> 00:21:23,238
that worked for everybody.
839
00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:24,326
- Now how important
840
00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:25,588
are the beautiful people
841
00:21:25,675 --> 00:21:27,198
to a designer like yourself?
842
00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:28,374
- Beautiful people
843
00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:29,592
attract attention.
844
00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:30,767
They're in the newspapers,
845
00:21:30,854 --> 00:21:31,942
so therefore, they are
846
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:33,814
your best advertisement.
847
00:21:33,901 --> 00:21:34,945
- When you won
848
00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:37,774
the academy award for "cabaret,"
849
00:21:37,861 --> 00:21:38,775
what were you
850
00:21:38,862 --> 00:21:39,776
wearing that night?
851
00:21:39,863 --> 00:21:40,863
- A yellow halston dress.
852
00:21:40,908 --> 00:21:42,649
Simple tank top, long dress
853
00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:44,868
with a yellow cardigan,
854
00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:46,043
because my father's
855
00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:47,306
favorite color was yellow.
856
00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:48,307
He knew that I thought
857
00:21:48,394 --> 00:21:50,091
it was good luck.
858
00:21:50,178 --> 00:21:51,092
Every time I went onstage,
859
00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:53,312
he dressed me.
860
00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:55,662
I perspire onstage.
861
00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:56,663
I mean, my hair
862
00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:58,186
gets soaking wet first.
863
00:21:58,273 --> 00:21:59,361
He came backstage,
864
00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:00,667
and he went,
865
00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:01,668
"well, you're shiny,
866
00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:02,669
so you might as well
867
00:22:02,756 --> 00:22:03,670
be shiny all over."
868
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:04,671
- Yes.
869
00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:05,672
- And he started doing
870
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:06,673
beads and sequins for me.
871
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,674
Some of those clothes
872
00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:08,761
have become so famous.
873
00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:09,719
Minimalist, simple,
874
00:22:09,806 --> 00:22:10,720
but so chic.
875
00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:11,808
- Mm-hmm.
876
00:22:30,523 --> 00:22:32,438
- Whitney, Cathy's here.
877
00:22:32,525 --> 00:22:33,656
- Hi, Cathy.
878
00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:35,658
- Hi, how are you?
879
00:22:35,745 --> 00:22:36,745
- I'm good.
880
00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:37,660
- How are you? How are you?
881
00:22:37,747 --> 00:22:38,661
- We'll make this short
882
00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:39,662
and sweet.
883
00:22:39,749 --> 00:22:40,663
- Okay.
884
00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:44,754
- As painless as possible.
885
00:22:44,841 --> 00:22:45,755
So tell us about
886
00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:46,842
the 1973 fashion show
887
00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:48,062
in versailles.
888
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:49,063
Wasn't this the first time
889
00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,151
an American designer had
890
00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:51,457
been asked to show in Europe?
891
00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:52,458
- Yeah.
892
00:22:52,545 --> 00:22:53,459
In America,
893
00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:54,460
everything was dominated
894
00:22:54,547 --> 00:22:55,461
by Europe...
895
00:22:55,548 --> 00:22:56,462
- Mm-hmm.
896
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:57,463
- And by couture.
897
00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:58,464
American designers
898
00:22:58,551 --> 00:22:59,465
really were not known.
899
00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:00,466
- So the versailles show
900
00:23:00,553 --> 00:23:01,467
put him on the map
901
00:23:01,554 --> 00:23:02,468
internationally?
902
00:23:02,555 --> 00:23:03,469
- Yeah, very much.
903
00:23:03,556 --> 00:23:05,166
It was a big social thing.
904
00:23:05,253 --> 00:23:06,689
It was at versailles.
905
00:23:06,776 --> 00:23:08,038
Parties galore.
906
00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:09,125
It was arranged
907
00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:10,277
that five European designers
908
00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:11,302
would show
909
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,541
and five American designers...
910
00:23:12,565 --> 00:23:13,479
Bill blass,
911
00:23:13,566 --> 00:23:15,176
Oscar de la renta,
912
00:23:15,263 --> 00:23:16,177
Anne klein,
913
00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:17,178
halston,
914
00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:18,179
and Stephen Burrows.
915
00:23:18,266 --> 00:23:19,485
- That it happened at all
916
00:23:19,572 --> 00:23:21,182
was kind of a miracle.
917
00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:22,357
- Yeah.
918
00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:23,358
- The French didn't consider
919
00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:24,751
America anything.
920
00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:26,013
They were very theatrical.
921
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:28,015
They had scenery and staging.
922
00:23:28,102 --> 00:23:29,843
It was really kind of corny.
923
00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:30,844
- Was it?
924
00:23:30,931 --> 00:23:31,931
- Yeah.
925
00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:32,889
- Excuse me.
926
00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:33,890
- Sure.
927
00:23:33,977 --> 00:23:35,022
Anything I can do to help?
928
00:23:35,109 --> 00:23:36,109
I'll try something on.
929
00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:38,025
- The French marshaled
930
00:23:38,112 --> 00:23:39,287
all of their effort
931
00:23:39,374 --> 00:23:40,482
and the best ballet dancers,
932
00:23:40,506 --> 00:23:41,855
camels and horses on the stage.
933
00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:43,204
They... they got everything.
934
00:23:43,291 --> 00:23:45,075
The Americans rolled into Paris
935
00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:46,729
without the kind of sets
936
00:23:46,816 --> 00:23:47,967
and the kind of grandiose things
937
00:23:47,991 --> 00:23:49,732
that the French had planned,
938
00:23:49,819 --> 00:23:50,864
and what made it work
939
00:23:50,951 --> 00:23:52,387
was the clothes were so simple.
940
00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:53,388
The models were great.
941
00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:54,389
They had black models.
942
00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:55,390
This was the first time
943
00:23:55,477 --> 00:24:00,134
you were seeing all this.
944
00:24:00,221 --> 00:24:01,135
- I was singing a song
945
00:24:01,222 --> 00:24:02,266
called "au revoir, Paris."
946
00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:09,138
We all waved, "good night!
947
00:24:09,186 --> 00:24:10,405
Thank you, Paris!"
948
00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:11,406
The curtain went down.
949
00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:12,493
You heard...
950
00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:16,366
And the curtain went up,
951
00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:17,847
and the... they went bananas.
952
00:24:17,934 --> 00:24:20,807
They were impressed.
953
00:24:20,894 --> 00:24:21,808
- I don't know.
954
00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:22,983
They just went crazy.
955
00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:24,158
They call it
956
00:24:24,245 --> 00:24:25,159
"the battle of versailles."
957
00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:26,334
We seem to have made
958
00:24:26,421 --> 00:24:27,509
the whole evening.
959
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,208
- Oh, I remember
960
00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:32,209
Saint Laurent throwing
961
00:24:32,296 --> 00:24:33,210
his book in the air
962
00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:34,211
at the end of the show.
963
00:24:34,298 --> 00:24:35,212
He said, "we've learned
964
00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:37,563
something tonight."
965
00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:38,564
- So the Americans
966
00:24:38,651 --> 00:24:39,651
whipped the French again.
967
00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:40,783
- Well, we didn't whip 'em,
968
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,568
but we did it like Americans
969
00:24:42,655 --> 00:24:43,569
and like halston...
970
00:24:43,656 --> 00:24:45,092
Clean, direct,
971
00:24:45,179 --> 00:24:46,093
to the point...
972
00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:47,094
- Mm-hmm.
973
00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:48,095
- And effective.
974
00:24:48,182 --> 00:24:49,096
- Succinct.
975
00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:50,793
- Effective.
976
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,274
Yeah.
977
00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,589
- Hi, how you doin'?
978
00:25:03,676 --> 00:25:04,590
So we're looking
979
00:25:04,677 --> 00:25:06,809
for the halston star
980
00:25:06,896 --> 00:25:07,810
like the walk of fame
981
00:25:07,897 --> 00:25:08,942
in Hollywood,
982
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:09,899
except they have a walk of fame
983
00:25:09,986 --> 00:25:10,986
for the great designers,
984
00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:11,945
and they have stars
985
00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:13,032
on the sidewalk.
986
00:25:13,076 --> 00:25:14,121
So we're going to pay our
987
00:25:14,208 --> 00:25:16,993
respect to this great American.
988
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,994
Actually,
989
00:25:18,081 --> 00:25:18,995
I think it starts here.
990
00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:20,083
I think we missed it.
991
00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:21,084
Hi. Hi. Quick question.
992
00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:22,259
Do you know where
993
00:25:22,346 --> 00:25:23,391
the halston star is?
994
00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:24,610
- Haliston?
995
00:25:24,697 --> 00:25:25,959
- Halston.
996
00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:26,960
- Halston?
997
00:25:27,047 --> 00:25:28,047
- He has a star from
998
00:25:28,091 --> 00:25:29,211
the, like, famous designers.
999
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:29,963
- Oh, yeah, that's right here.
1000
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:30,964
- Okay, where...
1001
00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:31,965
- They look
1002
00:25:32,052 --> 00:25:34,358
like manhole covers.
1003
00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:35,359
- It's these, um,
1004
00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:36,622
luscious manhole covers
1005
00:25:36,709 --> 00:25:38,928
that are also the stars.
1006
00:25:39,015 --> 00:25:40,103
Stephen Burrows.
1007
00:25:50,244 --> 00:25:51,506
- There it is.
1008
00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:57,251
"The '70s belonged to halston."
1009
00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:58,252
What was it like to work
1010
00:25:58,339 --> 00:25:59,340
with him in the '70s?
1011
00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:00,254
It must have been fun, though.
1012
00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:01,211
- Yeah, it was fun.
1013
00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:02,430
It was like a dream job.
1014
00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:04,998
We were at 33 union square west
1015
00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:06,347
which was the factory
1016
00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:08,218
where Andy warhol was shot.
1017
00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:09,959
We had a really small crew.
1018
00:26:10,046 --> 00:26:10,960
In the beginning,
1019
00:26:11,047 --> 00:26:12,047
Bob colacello and I
1020
00:26:12,092 --> 00:26:13,180
did just about everything.
1021
00:26:13,267 --> 00:26:14,137
We would go to the printer,
1022
00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:16,531
load the, uh, magazines,
1023
00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:17,880
take 'em to newsstands,
1024
00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:18,881
um, you know, try to sell ads.
1025
00:26:18,968 --> 00:26:21,362
We did everything.
1026
00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:22,885
- One of my first encounters
1027
00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:23,886
with halston
1028
00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:25,061
was in the early days
1029
00:26:25,148 --> 00:26:26,062
of interview.
1030
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:27,411
Joe eula had contributed
1031
00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:28,674
some drawings,
1032
00:26:28,761 --> 00:26:30,327
and halston wanted them back.
1033
00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:32,199
Glenn had not taken
1034
00:26:32,286 --> 00:26:33,374
very care of them.
1035
00:26:33,461 --> 00:26:34,481
They were in the layout room
1036
00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:36,159
under a pile of other stuff.
1037
00:26:36,246 --> 00:26:37,160
When he saw them all wrinkled,
1038
00:26:37,247 --> 00:26:38,118
he was just...
1039
00:26:38,205 --> 00:26:39,467
He went ballistic.
1040
00:26:39,554 --> 00:26:40,686
"How dare you treat
1041
00:26:40,773 --> 00:26:42,513
this work of a great artist
1042
00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,124
like Joe eula...
1043
00:26:44,211 --> 00:26:45,125
Who does Andy think he is?
1044
00:26:45,212 --> 00:26:46,213
Does Andy think
1045
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:47,320
he's the only artist in town?"
1046
00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:48,258
I was like,
1047
00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:49,259
"no, Andy had nothing to
1048
00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:50,260
do with this, halston."
1049
00:26:50,347 --> 00:26:51,261
- Well, I think that there
1050
00:26:51,348 --> 00:26:53,046
was a mutual fascination
1051
00:26:53,133 --> 00:26:55,135
between Andy and halston.
1052
00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:56,136
I think at the beginning,
1053
00:26:56,223 --> 00:26:57,572
they were a little bit shy
1054
00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:58,573
of one another,
1055
00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:59,922
but then they soon became
1056
00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:01,228
thick as thieves.
1057
00:27:01,315 --> 00:27:02,359
Andy's entourage mixed
1058
00:27:02,446 --> 00:27:05,145
with halston's entourage.
1059
00:27:05,232 --> 00:27:06,146
- Do you think Andy
1060
00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:07,234
used halston
1061
00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:08,385
to get, like, big-name clients
1062
00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:09,473
for portraits and everything?
1063
00:27:09,497 --> 00:27:10,585
- I think that they both
1064
00:27:10,672 --> 00:27:12,500
benefitted from encountering
1065
00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:14,328
one another's circle.
1066
00:27:14,415 --> 00:27:15,416
- Well,
1067
00:27:15,503 --> 00:27:16,417
were they competing at all?
1068
00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:17,505
- Well,
1069
00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:18,506
halston could be competitive.
1070
00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:19,507
I mean, he was competitive,
1071
00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:20,594
yeah, and he had to be
1072
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:22,031
in charge.
1073
00:27:22,118 --> 00:27:23,380
- So halston was independent
1074
00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:24,467
until nor...
1075
00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:25,426
- Halston was independent
1076
00:27:25,513 --> 00:27:27,036
until Norton Simon, uh,
1077
00:27:27,123 --> 00:27:28,168
came along,
1078
00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:29,038
the Norton Simon corporation...
1079
00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:30,126
- Mm-hmm.
1080
00:27:30,213 --> 00:27:31,127
- And said, "we want to buy
1081
00:27:31,214 --> 00:27:32,128
your company,
1082
00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:33,129
and we're gonna make you
1083
00:27:33,216 --> 00:27:34,130
that much bigger"...
1084
00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:35,131
Mass-produced line,
1085
00:27:35,218 --> 00:27:36,132
and fragrances,
1086
00:27:36,219 --> 00:27:38,613
and the whole thing.
1087
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,528
- Is anybody a bigger hit
1088
00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:41,655
in this business than you?
1089
00:27:41,703 --> 00:27:42,748
I mean...
1090
00:27:43,879 --> 00:27:44,943
Is there anything left that
1091
00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:46,031
doesn't have your name on it?
1092
00:27:46,055 --> 00:27:46,969
You've got luggage.
1093
00:27:47,056 --> 00:27:47,970
You've got, uh...
1094
00:27:48,057 --> 00:27:48,971
- Rugs, sheets,
1095
00:27:49,058 --> 00:27:49,972
perfume, cosmetics...
1096
00:27:50,059 --> 00:27:50,973
- Really?
1097
00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:51,974
- Menswear, women's wear,
1098
00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:53,759
shoes, bags, gloves,
1099
00:27:53,846 --> 00:27:55,126
sunglasses, all kinds of things.
1100
00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:56,109
- Holy cow.
1101
00:27:56,196 --> 00:27:57,110
You wouldn't have $20
1102
00:27:57,197 --> 00:27:58,111
till payday, would you?
1103
00:27:58,198 --> 00:27:59,198
I'm a little short.
1104
00:27:59,242 --> 00:28:00,113
- I did the olympic uniforms
1105
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,767
also for our teams,
1106
00:28:01,854 --> 00:28:03,377
uniforms for braniff airlines.
1107
00:28:03,464 --> 00:28:04,639
I did
1108
00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:06,989
the girl scouts of America.
1109
00:28:07,076 --> 00:28:08,164
- There was talk even
1110
00:28:08,251 --> 00:28:09,165
of designing a uniform
1111
00:28:09,252 --> 00:28:10,166
for New York's finest.
1112
00:28:10,253 --> 00:28:11,646
- Oh, yes.
1113
00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:12,647
- Do these garments
1114
00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:14,301
and these wonderful ideas
1115
00:28:14,388 --> 00:28:15,432
that you...
1116
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:16,583
You and your company generate...
1117
00:28:16,607 --> 00:28:18,522
Do they ever get to penney's?
1118
00:28:20,481 --> 00:28:21,351
- It started off, you know,
1119
00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:22,352
it seemed
1120
00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:23,658
like it was a great deal.
1121
00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:24,659
I don't know how many millions
1122
00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:25,660
they paid him.
1123
00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:26,661
But he actually sold
1124
00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:27,748
the rights to his name.
1125
00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:29,011
And I remember him saying,
1126
00:28:29,098 --> 00:28:30,143
"oh, I love
1127
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:31,144
the Norton Simon people.
1128
00:28:31,231 --> 00:28:32,798
You know why I love them?
1129
00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:33,885
They're so tall."
1130
00:28:34,887 --> 00:28:35,801
- And it was like,
1131
00:28:35,888 --> 00:28:36,802
David mahoney was tall...
1132
00:28:36,889 --> 00:28:38,238
The chairman...
1133
00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:39,239
But David mahoney wasn't
1134
00:28:39,326 --> 00:28:40,326
the chairman forever.
1135
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:41,458
Halston was
1136
00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:42,590
knocked down to earth.
1137
00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:43,504
That was, like, the last phrase
1138
00:28:43,591 --> 00:28:44,505
you would use
1139
00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:45,506
to describe halston.
1140
00:28:45,593 --> 00:28:46,593
He wanted everything
1141
00:28:46,637 --> 00:28:47,551
to be glamorous,
1142
00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:48,552
everything to be divine.
1143
00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:49,553
He was a Taurus,
1144
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,685
so he should have been
1145
00:28:50,772 --> 00:28:52,165
more down-to-earth than he was,
1146
00:28:52,252 --> 00:28:53,296
but...
1147
00:28:53,383 --> 00:28:54,383
- So what'd you think?
1148
00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:55,342
- Yeah, it went very well.
1149
00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:58,911
- Congratulations.
1150
00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:05,091
- Wait, do you see that shot?
1151
00:29:05,178 --> 00:29:06,179
It's kind of cool.
1152
00:29:06,266 --> 00:29:07,136
- Hi, Paul.
1153
00:29:07,223 --> 00:29:11,184
- Whitney.
1154
00:29:11,271 --> 00:29:12,185
Smith: In the world
1155
00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:13,403
of licensing,
1156
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:14,665
halston was a visionary.
1157
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:15,666
So I went to interview
1158
00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:16,754
Paul wilmot
1159
00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:17,625
who ran his perfume division
1160
00:29:17,712 --> 00:29:19,670
at the time.
1161
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:20,671
- They tried
1162
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,195
this big experiment.
1163
00:29:22,282 --> 00:29:23,544
It was a big idea.
1164
00:29:23,631 --> 00:29:24,632
What would happen
1165
00:29:24,719 --> 00:29:25,546
if a big company would come in
1166
00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:26,633
and just maximize
1167
00:29:26,677 --> 00:29:28,375
what his business could be?
1168
00:29:28,462 --> 00:29:29,550
So they got the footwear
1169
00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:30,551
and handbags
1170
00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:31,508
and, uh, carpeting.
1171
00:29:31,595 --> 00:29:32,509
- What kind of carpet?
1172
00:29:32,596 --> 00:29:33,510
It wasn't shag. It was...
1173
00:29:33,597 --> 00:29:34,511
- No, it wasn't shag.
1174
00:29:34,598 --> 00:29:35,469
It wasn't
1175
00:29:35,556 --> 00:29:36,644
out of "Austin powers."
1176
00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:37,731
- My name is halston.
1177
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,081
I'm known for the clothes
1178
00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:40,213
I design.
1179
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:41,214
And just as clothes
1180
00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:42,302
dress a woman,
1181
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:43,869
carpet should dress your home.
1182
00:29:43,956 --> 00:29:44,870
- Because it was
1183
00:29:44,957 --> 00:29:46,001
such a new thing,
1184
00:29:46,088 --> 00:29:47,742
everybody went licensing happy.
1185
00:29:47,829 --> 00:29:48,829
They explored
1186
00:29:48,874 --> 00:29:50,179
a lot of different avenues.
1187
00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:51,180
- Rayon...
1188
00:29:51,267 --> 00:29:52,312
It's going to be with us
1189
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:53,399
a long, long time.
1190
00:29:53,443 --> 00:29:54,357
- So not to get ahead,
1191
00:29:54,444 --> 00:29:55,358
was it the perfume
1192
00:29:55,445 --> 00:29:56,359
that kind of carried it?
1193
00:29:56,446 --> 00:29:57,446
- The perfume was...
1194
00:29:57,491 --> 00:29:58,491
Was actually
1195
00:29:58,535 --> 00:29:59,406
from the moment it launched,
1196
00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:00,407
it was the cash cow.
1197
00:30:00,494 --> 00:30:01,408
The story...
1198
00:30:01,495 --> 00:30:02,496
It was well known
1199
00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:03,497
and it was part of the lore
1200
00:30:03,584 --> 00:30:04,624
of the cosmetics industry.
1201
00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:05,736
Some way, somehow halston also
1202
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,674
came up with the idea
1203
00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:08,284
of this teardrop bottle,
1204
00:30:08,371 --> 00:30:09,416
and they also brought
1205
00:30:09,503 --> 00:30:10,765
a teardrop to the glass stopper
1206
00:30:10,852 --> 00:30:11,766
and everything.
1207
00:30:11,853 --> 00:30:12,893
It became, and it still is
1208
00:30:12,941 --> 00:30:14,595
today, an iconic brand.
1209
00:30:14,682 --> 00:30:16,684
- It took two and half years
1210
00:30:16,771 --> 00:30:18,642
to develop that fragrance,
1211
00:30:18,729 --> 00:30:19,643
and then making
1212
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:20,730
an original bottle.
1213
00:30:20,775 --> 00:30:21,689
One of the most innovative
1214
00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:23,386
things that we did in that
1215
00:30:23,473 --> 00:30:25,171
was not put our name on it.
1216
00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:28,609
That was never done before.
1217
00:30:28,696 --> 00:30:29,610
- Halston...
1218
00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:30,611
He didn't like words.
1219
00:30:30,698 --> 00:30:31,742
He didn't write at all.
1220
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:32,700
You know, he always used to say,
1221
00:30:32,787 --> 00:30:33,788
"words fuck me up."
1222
00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:34,920
So that's why we never had
1223
00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:36,245
an verbiage in our ad campaigns.
1224
00:30:36,269 --> 00:30:37,269
We never had any...
1225
00:30:37,313 --> 00:30:38,314
He didn't like the words.
1226
00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:39,465
So when it came down to coming
1227
00:30:39,489 --> 00:30:41,230
up with a men's fragrance thing,
1228
00:30:41,317 --> 00:30:43,145
he found two that he liked.
1229
00:30:43,232 --> 00:30:44,146
And he couldn't make a decision
1230
00:30:44,233 --> 00:30:45,278
between the two of them.
1231
00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:46,453
So he decided that he was
1232
00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:47,628
gonna launch both of them
1233
00:30:47,715 --> 00:30:48,629
at the same time,
1234
00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:49,630
which no one had
1235
00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:50,631
ever done before.
1236
00:30:50,718 --> 00:30:51,632
And he couldn't figure out
1237
00:30:51,719 --> 00:30:52,633
a name for 'em,
1238
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,634
so they had working titles
1239
00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:54,635
with the fragrances,
1240
00:30:54,722 --> 00:30:55,636
and the one working title
1241
00:30:55,723 --> 00:30:56,637
was z-14,
1242
00:30:56,724 --> 00:30:58,595
and the other was 1-12.
1243
00:30:58,682 --> 00:30:59,683
And they... they became
1244
00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:01,468
the name of the fragrances.
1245
00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:02,817
- One is sort of the sexy,
1246
00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:04,863
you know, sensuous category.
1247
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:06,734
One is the crème fraîche
1248
00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:07,909
category.
1249
00:31:07,996 --> 00:31:09,432
I think it depends very much
1250
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,565
upon the man.
1251
00:31:11,652 --> 00:31:12,958
- Z-14 and 1-12.
1252
00:31:13,045 --> 00:31:14,785
- Sounds like a Camaro.
1253
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:15,786
- I know.
1254
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:16,962
It was like a...
1255
00:31:17,049 --> 00:31:18,050
It was like a car thing.
1256
00:31:18,137 --> 00:31:19,337
This is halston at his best...
1257
00:31:19,399 --> 00:31:20,399
Hittin' on all cylinders.
1258
00:31:20,443 --> 00:31:22,532
Z-14 became as common a term
1259
00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:23,664
as Chanel no5
1260
00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:24,795
or anything like that.
1261
00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:26,034
And the halston perfume company
1262
00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:27,276
be-became one of the great
1263
00:31:27,363 --> 00:31:30,236
success stories of the '70s
1264
00:31:30,323 --> 00:31:32,673
and the '80s.
1265
00:31:42,074 --> 00:31:43,205
- As halston's empire
1266
00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:44,292
kept expanding,
1267
00:31:44,337 --> 00:31:45,860
the king needed a castle.
1268
00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:48,558
And that castle...
1269
00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,865
The olympic tower.
1270
00:31:50,952 --> 00:31:52,736
- The... the... the big moment
1271
00:31:52,823 --> 00:31:54,564
was when he moved up
1272
00:31:54,651 --> 00:31:55,565
to, you know,
1273
00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:56,566
the fabulous showroom
1274
00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:57,567
and offices
1275
00:31:57,654 --> 00:31:58,699
at the olympic tower.
1276
00:32:06,054 --> 00:32:06,968
- He took this one, uh,
1277
00:32:07,055 --> 00:32:07,969
continuous space.
1278
00:32:08,056 --> 00:32:08,970
It was really almost
1279
00:32:09,057 --> 00:32:09,971
like an atrium.
1280
00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:11,058
It was on the 21st floor,
1281
00:32:11,103 --> 00:32:13,757
and the studio was trisected
1282
00:32:13,844 --> 00:32:15,020
by two sets
1283
00:32:15,107 --> 00:32:17,413
of pocket-frame doors
1284
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,372
that slipped into the wall.
1285
00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:22,549
The doors were $500,000.
1286
00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:23,550
So if you want to adjust
1287
00:32:23,637 --> 00:32:24,725
to today,
1288
00:32:24,812 --> 00:32:25,726
it would be like $5 million
1289
00:32:25,813 --> 00:32:28,424
for the doors.
1290
00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:29,599
They were mirrored
1291
00:32:29,686 --> 00:32:30,731
on both sides,
1292
00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:32,646
and the walls were mirrored,
1293
00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:33,821
so the entire thing
1294
00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,737
reflected around.
1295
00:32:36,824 --> 00:32:37,912
- Why don't you
1296
00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,261
just turn around a little bit,
1297
00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:41,829
and let's see how it moves.
1298
00:32:41,916 --> 00:32:42,916
Yeah, that looks good.
1299
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,488
- It was like being
1300
00:32:48,575 --> 00:32:49,880
in a glass box in a way.
1301
00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:53,623
It was so strange.
1302
00:33:04,678 --> 00:33:05,592
- Oh, I have to
1303
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:06,593
talk about the makeup.
1304
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,768
- What? Talk about what?
1305
00:33:07,855 --> 00:33:08,769
- About the makeup,
1306
00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:09,770
because this view
1307
00:33:09,857 --> 00:33:10,771
is something we used
1308
00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:13,774
to put our makeup on.
1309
00:33:13,861 --> 00:33:15,297
The twin towers...
1310
00:33:15,384 --> 00:33:17,038
When the twin towers were there,
1311
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,605
that was my focus point.
1312
00:33:18,692 --> 00:33:19,780
- What do you mean
1313
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:20,781
your focus point?
1314
00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:21,782
- Well, when I was
1315
00:33:21,869 --> 00:33:22,783
on the runway,
1316
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:23,740
I'd always look
1317
00:33:23,827 --> 00:33:24,698
at the twin towers.
1318
00:33:24,785 --> 00:33:25,655
- Oh, yeah?
1319
00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:29,485
- Yeah.
1320
00:33:29,572 --> 00:33:30,486
He used to call me
1321
00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:31,966
"the moth"... halston.
1322
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:33,054
The moth, 'cause I would
1323
00:33:33,141 --> 00:33:35,317
fly to the light...
1324
00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:37,580
All the time.
1325
00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:38,755
I see a moth
1326
00:33:38,842 --> 00:33:41,062
in the window now right there.
1327
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:42,542
It's climbing up.
1328
00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:43,630
And there he goes.
1329
00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:44,805
That's me.
1330
00:33:44,892 --> 00:33:50,376
That's to remind me.
1331
00:33:50,463 --> 00:33:52,595
You feel really high.
1332
00:33:52,682 --> 00:33:54,641
You feel above it all,
1333
00:33:54,728 --> 00:33:55,642
above all the torture,
1334
00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:57,992
the pedestrian life.
1335
00:33:58,079 --> 00:33:59,341
And being close
1336
00:33:59,428 --> 00:34:00,516
to St. Patrick's cathedral,
1337
00:34:00,603 --> 00:34:01,909
he always use to say things
1338
00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:04,607
like, "I feel totally blessed.
1339
00:34:04,694 --> 00:34:06,087
I don't have to go to church.
1340
00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:09,525
It's right across the street."
1341
00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:10,633
- So how's it feel coming back
1342
00:34:10,657 --> 00:34:11,571
to olympic tower?
1343
00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:12,572
- It feels kind of spooky,
1344
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:14,139
like it's another century.
1345
00:34:14,226 --> 00:34:15,662
It really is literally
1346
00:34:15,749 --> 00:34:18,839
another century.
1347
00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:22,538
- Yeah, that looks good, Karen.
1348
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:30,938
- This is pat Cleveland
1349
00:34:31,025 --> 00:34:31,939
who's been all over the world
1350
00:34:32,026 --> 00:34:32,940
with us,
1351
00:34:33,027 --> 00:34:33,941
and this is Connie cook
1352
00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:35,028
who was born and raised
1353
00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:35,986
in Detroit.
1354
00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:37,423
And...
1355
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:41,166
She's from the midwest also.
1356
00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:42,515
- We have some questions,
1357
00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:45,170
so right to the questions now.
1358
00:34:45,257 --> 00:34:46,127
- Yes, I was wondering
1359
00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:47,085
if any of your models
1360
00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:48,521
ever have breasts.
1361
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,785
- Yes, they do.
1362
00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:54,483
Yes, they all do.
1363
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:55,571
- He didn't want
1364
00:34:55,658 --> 00:34:57,051
a bunch of blank-faced models.
1365
00:34:57,138 --> 00:34:58,052
He wanted girls
1366
00:34:58,139 --> 00:34:59,401
with personality.
1367
00:34:59,488 --> 00:35:00,402
- I want, uh,
1368
00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:01,534
darker skinned girls,
1369
00:35:01,621 --> 00:35:02,970
and I want blondes and brunettes
1370
00:35:03,057 --> 00:35:04,711
and redheads and this and that,
1371
00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:05,798
and they...
1372
00:35:05,842 --> 00:35:06,713
And the best girl I can get
1373
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,062
who can walk with pride,
1374
00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:09,063
and these are the top girls
1375
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:10,978
in America.
1376
00:35:11,065 --> 00:35:12,632
- It was about attitude.
1377
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,460
It was about the way you walked.
1378
00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:16,462
It was abut character.
1379
00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:17,637
Or at least that's what
1380
00:35:17,724 --> 00:35:19,204
I like to think I brought to it.
1381
00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:21,771
He was not totally unimpressed
1382
00:35:21,858 --> 00:35:23,208
with my provenance, and...
1383
00:35:24,818 --> 00:35:26,211
- I always liked to act,
1384
00:35:26,298 --> 00:35:27,212
so...
1385
00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:28,213
- Uh-huh.
1386
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:29,170
- For me, it was fun
1387
00:35:29,257 --> 00:35:30,258
to be confrontational.
1388
00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:31,607
I used to come out and kind of
1389
00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:32,694
challenge the editors,
1390
00:35:32,739 --> 00:35:33,739
look them in the eyes,
1391
00:35:33,783 --> 00:35:34,697
do all of the things
1392
00:35:34,784 --> 00:35:36,090
that you shouldn't do.
1393
00:35:36,177 --> 00:35:37,700
The first time I did a show,
1394
00:35:37,787 --> 00:35:38,832
I remember getting
1395
00:35:38,919 --> 00:35:39,920
to the end of the runway
1396
00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:43,097
and doing something like this.
1397
00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:45,665
Halston asked me to come over.
1398
00:35:45,752 --> 00:35:46,816
And he said, "I don't want you
1399
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,668
to raise your arms like that."
1400
00:35:48,755 --> 00:35:49,756
We don't do that
1401
00:35:49,843 --> 00:35:51,061
in halston shows.
1402
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,062
The next day, there was
1403
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:54,674
a big article about me,
1404
00:35:54,761 --> 00:35:55,805
I think in
1405
00:35:55,892 --> 00:35:56,956
the "Christian science monitor."
1406
00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:58,765
With a big photograph of me...
1407
00:36:00,027 --> 00:36:01,115
- Like this.
1408
00:36:01,202 --> 00:36:02,116
- Yeah.
1409
00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:03,117
- And then halston said,
1410
00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:04,204
"that's all right.
1411
00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:05,250
Do what you want."
1412
00:36:05,337 --> 00:36:06,251
- You can do it.
1413
00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:07,252
Did you get along with
1414
00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:08,253
all the girls? Any cat...
1415
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:09,254
Catfighting or anything?
1416
00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:10,603
- Oh, no, there was
1417
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:11,604
no catfighting ever.
1418
00:36:11,691 --> 00:36:12,866
We were like a clan.
1419
00:36:12,953 --> 00:36:13,953
At some point,
1420
00:36:13,997 --> 00:36:14,997
somebody called us
1421
00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:16,565
"the halstonettes,"
1422
00:36:16,652 --> 00:36:17,740
and so we happily became
1423
00:36:17,827 --> 00:36:19,220
the halstonettes.
1424
00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:20,178
- They call them
1425
00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:21,309
halstonettes.
1426
00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:22,180
- Well, I think some people do.
1427
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:23,181
Women's wear
1428
00:36:23,268 --> 00:36:24,573
does that sometimes.
1429
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:25,660
- Do they?
1430
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:26,749
- "The ultra-ettes."
1431
00:36:26,836 --> 00:36:28,490
I-I called them the ultra-ettes
1432
00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:29,577
or the halstonettes.
1433
00:36:29,622 --> 00:36:30,536
- You coined that phrase,
1434
00:36:30,623 --> 00:36:31,537
though.
1435
00:36:31,624 --> 00:36:32,625
- I coined that phrase
1436
00:36:32,712 --> 00:36:33,539
in "interview" magazine and...
1437
00:36:33,626 --> 00:36:34,540
Thank god you've done
1438
00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:35,628
your homework on that.
1439
00:36:35,715 --> 00:36:36,629
They, um, because they
1440
00:36:36,716 --> 00:36:37,716
moved around in a pack,
1441
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,674
like, you know, there's
1442
00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:39,675
the rat pack in Hollywood.
1443
00:36:39,762 --> 00:36:40,807
They moved around en masse
1444
00:36:40,894 --> 00:36:41,934
like the courts of Europe,
1445
00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:43,133
like the people at versailles
1446
00:36:43,157 --> 00:36:44,071
moved en masse from one place
1447
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:45,072
to the other.
1448
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:46,160
Halston went
1449
00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:47,770
with his entourage everywhere.
1450
00:36:47,857 --> 00:36:49,052
- When you think of entourage,
1451
00:36:49,076 --> 00:36:49,990
you think of...
1452
00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:51,077
I think of two designers.
1453
00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:51,992
You think of Saint Laurent,
1454
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:52,993
and you think of halston.
1455
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,080
- I think he always had
1456
00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:54,995
that great world around him,
1457
00:36:55,082 --> 00:36:55,996
you know?
1458
00:36:56,083 --> 00:36:56,997
And then he came here...
1459
00:36:57,084 --> 00:36:57,998
He came here.
1460
00:36:58,085 --> 00:36:59,086
Somebody gave a party
1461
00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:00,173
for him here,
1462
00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:01,131
and there was a reception
1463
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:02,132
committee at the door,
1464
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,220
and somebody said to...
1465
00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:04,178
I think it was
1466
00:37:04,265 --> 00:37:05,345
prince Rupert lowenstein...
1467
00:37:05,397 --> 00:37:06,833
"This is halston,"
1468
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,834
and it's so
1469
00:37:07,921 --> 00:37:09,531
like a Butler's name,
1470
00:37:09,618 --> 00:37:10,532
that Rupert lowenstein
1471
00:37:10,619 --> 00:37:11,664
took off his coat
1472
00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:12,534
and said, "thank you, halston,"
1473
00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:13,621
and gave it to him.
1474
00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:15,668
How did halston react?
1475
00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:16,930
- Absolutely astonished.
1476
00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:19,018
- He dropped the coat
1477
00:37:19,062 --> 00:37:19,976
immediately, I think,
1478
00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:20,977
and shook hands
1479
00:37:21,064 --> 00:37:22,064
with Princess Margaret.
1480
00:37:23,415 --> 00:37:24,546
- "Thank you, halston,"
1481
00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:25,852
became a sort of phrase
1482
00:37:25,939 --> 00:37:26,853
we used all the time
1483
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:28,028
from then on when...
1484
00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:29,159
If we saw him out,
1485
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,487
we'd say, "thank you, halston."
1486
00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:32,119
- Are you famous?
1487
00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:33,120
- Oh,
1488
00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:34,295
I guess you could say so.
1489
00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:37,124
I guess I'm a known personality.
1490
00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:38,560
- So that makes you famous?
1491
00:37:38,647 --> 00:37:40,780
- I guess so.
1492
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,271
- There was this big event
1493
00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:54,272
in acapulco.
1494
00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:55,708
Braniff airlines
1495
00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:56,883
had asked halston to design
1496
00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:58,885
the stewardess' uniforms
1497
00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:00,016
and the interiors
1498
00:38:00,103 --> 00:38:01,714
of braniff airlines' new planes.
1499
00:38:01,801 --> 00:38:02,715
And they did
1500
00:38:02,802 --> 00:38:03,803
this huge promotion.
1501
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:04,891
They flew
1502
00:38:04,978 --> 00:38:07,023
a couple of hundred socialites
1503
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:08,111
down to acapulco.
1504
00:38:08,198 --> 00:38:09,983
Lady bird Johnson was there.
1505
00:38:10,070 --> 00:38:11,245
The kissingers were there,
1506
00:38:11,332 --> 00:38:12,899
Sao schlumberger from Paris,
1507
00:38:12,986 --> 00:38:14,901
like a village of socialites
1508
00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:16,250
all competing.
1509
00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:17,337
Halston was there
1510
00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,732
with about 20 models.
1511
00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:21,690
They would always be late.
1512
00:38:21,777 --> 00:38:22,691
And if it was a lunch
1513
00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:23,823
on the beach,
1514
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:24,824
the would arrive
1515
00:38:24,911 --> 00:38:26,391
an hour late on some yacht
1516
00:38:26,478 --> 00:38:28,044
and they'd all file off.
1517
00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:29,263
They would all be in blue.
1518
00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:30,264
Then that night,
1519
00:38:30,351 --> 00:38:31,351
they'd come filing in
1520
00:38:31,396 --> 00:38:33,702
to some dinner all in red.
1521
00:38:33,789 --> 00:38:34,984
I mean, he was just one dramatic
1522
00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:37,097
entrance after another.
1523
00:38:39,273 --> 00:38:41,623
- Hey, who's that lucky guy?
1524
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:43,886
- How do you do?
1525
00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:44,887
I'm halston.
1526
00:38:44,974 --> 00:38:45,888
- I'm happy
1527
00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:46,889
to have you with us.
1528
00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:47,976
Did you know that halston
1529
00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:49,327
is the first American designer
1530
00:38:49,414 --> 00:38:50,284
to bring high fashion
1531
00:38:50,371 --> 00:38:51,416
to mainland China?
1532
00:38:51,503 --> 00:38:52,417
- Yes, every now and again,
1533
00:38:52,504 --> 00:38:53,418
it is good
1534
00:38:53,505 --> 00:38:54,897
to get out of the office.
1535
00:38:56,377 --> 00:38:57,291
- I certainly like
1536
00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:58,466
the way you travel.
1537
00:38:58,553 --> 00:38:59,424
- You pack the same way I do...
1538
00:38:59,511 --> 00:39:00,947
Only take what you need.
1539
00:39:01,034 --> 00:39:02,296
- Just the bare essentials.
1540
00:39:08,868 --> 00:39:09,956
- Mmm, butter.
1541
00:39:11,044 --> 00:39:12,132
- It's not butter.
1542
00:39:20,532 --> 00:39:23,665
- Hi, I'm Nancy Talbot
1543
00:39:23,752 --> 00:39:24,666
from Brooklyn, New York.
1544
00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:27,277
Good morning, America!
1545
00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:28,278
- Good morning, everybody.
1546
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:29,279
It's Thursday.
1547
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,367
It's the 2nd of October.
1548
00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:31,456
Halston has just come back
1549
00:39:31,543 --> 00:39:32,979
from eight days in China.
1550
00:39:33,066 --> 00:39:34,284
Uh, he presented
1551
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:35,523
the first American fashion show
1552
00:39:35,547 --> 00:39:36,765
to the Chinese,
1553
00:39:36,852 --> 00:39:37,940
and halston's with us
1554
00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:38,941
this morning. Good morning.
1555
00:39:39,028 --> 00:39:39,942
- Thank you. Good morning.
1556
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:40,943
- Everyone had
1557
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:41,944
their own set of luggage
1558
00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:43,031
as a gift.
1559
00:39:43,076 --> 00:39:43,946
He was using the new fabric
1560
00:39:44,033 --> 00:39:45,774
ultrasuede on everything.
1561
00:39:45,861 --> 00:39:47,863
We all had an entire wardrobe,
1562
00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:49,822
and we had a schedule.
1563
00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:50,909
It said what you wore
1564
00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:52,259
at what hour.
1565
00:39:52,346 --> 00:39:53,260
We changed clothes
1566
00:39:53,347 --> 00:39:55,436
at least five times a day.
1567
00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:56,698
- It was like, what, 1980?
1568
00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:57,873
- It was closed, yeah.
1569
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,040
- Yeah, it was closed then.
1570
00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,092
- It was not a thing
1571
00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,157
that you could do so easily.
1572
00:40:01,181 --> 00:40:02,095
- What was the purpose
1573
00:40:02,182 --> 00:40:03,096
of the trip?
1574
00:40:03,183 --> 00:40:04,097
- You know, we were trying
1575
00:40:04,184 --> 00:40:05,185
to make trade with China
1576
00:40:05,272 --> 00:40:06,186
and visit all the, uh,
1577
00:40:06,273 --> 00:40:07,187
silk factories.
1578
00:40:07,274 --> 00:40:09,189
- Oh, yeah?
1579
00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:10,364
- It was very difficult
1580
00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:11,496
at the beginning,
1581
00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:12,845
because it wouldn't open up.
1582
00:40:12,932 --> 00:40:14,020
Yes, you would design
1583
00:40:14,107 --> 00:40:15,195
something for it.
1584
00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:16,370
Is it that complicated
1585
00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:19,068
to change the patterns?
1586
00:40:19,155 --> 00:40:21,027
Is that possible?
1587
00:40:21,114 --> 00:40:22,202
The formalities
1588
00:40:22,289 --> 00:40:23,508
surprised me a bit.
1589
00:40:23,595 --> 00:40:24,857
They're very shy,
1590
00:40:24,944 --> 00:40:26,032
and their... their culture
1591
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:27,207
doesn't permit them
1592
00:40:27,294 --> 00:40:28,382
to be as open as we are
1593
00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:31,951
as Americans.
1594
00:40:32,038 --> 00:40:33,126
All of a sudden,
1595
00:40:33,213 --> 00:40:34,257
one of the girls stood up,
1596
00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:35,433
and she walked around,
1597
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,627
and they started looking at it.
1598
00:40:36,651 --> 00:40:37,889
And then another one walked up,
1599
00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,064
so I've got all these assistants
1600
00:40:39,088 --> 00:40:40,176
to bring everything in,
1601
00:40:40,263 --> 00:40:41,351
and they were like children
1602
00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:42,744
with new toys.
1603
00:40:42,831 --> 00:40:46,356
It was just bedlam.
1604
00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:49,969
- It was
1605
00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:53,233
an absolute breakthrough.
1606
00:40:56,976 --> 00:40:58,020
- I considered it
1607
00:40:58,107 --> 00:40:59,544
a great compliment
1608
00:40:59,631 --> 00:41:02,547
that she wanted to put it on.
1609
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:03,809
- He met with
1610
00:41:03,896 --> 00:41:05,016
all the top business people,
1611
00:41:05,071 --> 00:41:06,222
and they were all dressed alike
1612
00:41:06,246 --> 00:41:09,554
in gray uniform.
1613
00:41:09,641 --> 00:41:10,859
It was very much part
1614
00:41:10,946 --> 00:41:12,339
of being who he was...
1615
00:41:12,426 --> 00:41:14,036
An American.
1616
00:41:14,123 --> 00:41:16,299
He went to China for America.
1617
00:41:16,386 --> 00:41:17,475
He went to versailles
1618
00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:18,824
for America.
1619
00:41:18,911 --> 00:41:22,262
He did everything for America.
1620
00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:23,263
Did you meet him?
1621
00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:24,264
- No, unh-unh.
1622
00:41:24,351 --> 00:41:25,265
- Have you met him?
1623
00:41:25,352 --> 00:41:26,266
Kind of... he looked
1624
00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:27,353
kind of like you.
1625
00:41:28,355 --> 00:41:29,269
- He looks like me?
1626
00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:30,270
- Yeah, kind of like you,
1627
00:41:30,357 --> 00:41:31,271
you know?
1628
00:41:31,358 --> 00:41:32,272
- How is that?
1629
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:33,273
- Well, in a black suit...
1630
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,360
He always wore black.
1631
00:41:34,404 --> 00:41:35,275
He had kind of longish hair
1632
00:41:35,362 --> 00:41:36,276
like that, uh...
1633
00:41:36,363 --> 00:41:37,277
- Mm-hmm. That's good.
1634
00:41:37,364 --> 00:41:38,278
Well, thank you. That's...
1635
00:41:38,365 --> 00:41:39,279
- And he always wore
1636
00:41:39,366 --> 00:41:41,324
a turtleneck.
1637
00:41:47,461 --> 00:41:48,549
Smith: Standing in front
1638
00:41:48,636 --> 00:41:50,029
of halston's house,
1639
00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:51,204
I can only imagine
1640
00:41:51,291 --> 00:41:52,379
what it must have been like
1641
00:41:52,466 --> 00:41:53,617
to be at the height of it all,
1642
00:41:53,641 --> 00:41:54,860
king of New York.
1643
00:42:25,934 --> 00:42:27,022
- Oh, my god.
1644
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:28,197
- Hi. Sorry.
1645
00:42:28,284 --> 00:42:29,372
We got poured on.
1646
00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:30,548
Yeah, that's all right.
1647
00:42:30,635 --> 00:42:31,853
- Oh, okay.
1648
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:33,028
Uh, he's still waiting
1649
00:42:33,115 --> 00:42:34,203
for...
1650
00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:35,378
- I have the luxury
1651
00:42:35,465 --> 00:42:36,554
of having
1652
00:42:36,641 --> 00:42:37,859
the only contemporary house
1653
00:42:37,946 --> 00:42:39,034
in New York City built
1654
00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:40,209
since the second world war,
1655
00:42:40,296 --> 00:42:41,863
which is a really supermodern
1656
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:43,561
push-button life kind of house.
1657
00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:45,214
It has a 30-foot-high ceiling,
1658
00:42:45,301 --> 00:42:46,868
and a 60-foot-long sitting room,
1659
00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:48,043
and a big fireplace.
1660
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,218
At the end of it
1661
00:42:49,305 --> 00:42:50,393
is a big bamboo greenhouse
1662
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,569
and so forth.
1663
00:42:51,656 --> 00:42:52,657
It's a dream really.
1664
00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:53,962
- Hi.
1665
00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:55,050
I've seen a photograph
1666
00:42:55,137 --> 00:42:56,182
of your apartment,
1667
00:42:56,269 --> 00:42:57,270
your living room,
1668
00:42:57,357 --> 00:42:58,358
and it was done
1669
00:42:58,445 --> 00:42:59,489
in monochromatic grays.
1670
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:00,578
Did you design that?
1671
00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:01,729
- I didn't design the house.
1672
00:43:01,753 --> 00:43:03,033
It's a major architectural house
1673
00:43:03,058 --> 00:43:04,190
designed by Paul Rudolph,
1674
00:43:04,277 --> 00:43:05,365
who's one of the great
1675
00:43:05,452 --> 00:43:06,540
American architects.
1676
00:43:06,627 --> 00:43:08,934
But the gray is my idea, yes.
1677
00:43:09,021 --> 00:43:12,372
It just... it brings people out.
1678
00:43:12,459 --> 00:43:13,547
- So would
1679
00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:14,742
the dinner parties be here or...
1680
00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:16,028
- Dinner parties would be here
1681
00:43:16,115 --> 00:43:17,235
if it was small or a buffet.
1682
00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:18,378
And you went to sit
1683
00:43:18,465 --> 00:43:19,553
all over the room
1684
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,748
where... wherever you chose from.
1685
00:43:20,772 --> 00:43:21,990
Smith: Anyone who's anyone
1686
00:43:22,077 --> 00:43:24,558
was in halston's living room,
1687
00:43:24,645 --> 00:43:25,925
and no one was more on the scene
1688
00:43:25,994 --> 00:43:27,648
than boaz mazor,
1689
00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:29,432
who agreed to meet us here.
1690
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:30,433
You think
1691
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,434
those couches are original
1692
00:43:31,521 --> 00:43:32,435
from the halston time?
1693
00:43:32,522 --> 00:43:33,436
'Cause it's kind of
1694
00:43:33,523 --> 00:43:34,437
his gray monochrome.
1695
00:43:34,524 --> 00:43:35,525
- You know something?
1696
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:36,633
It's very funny, because they
1697
00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:37,721
were more or less like that.
1698
00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:38,809
It's very much characteristic
1699
00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:39,442
to what we would sit down on.
1700
00:43:39,529 --> 00:43:40,443
It was very low,
1701
00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:41,706
very low lighting,
1702
00:43:41,793 --> 00:43:43,272
candles all over the place.
1703
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:44,273
- Candles?
1704
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,274
- Yeah.
1705
00:43:45,361 --> 00:43:46,406
And that place there
1706
00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:47,276
were you see all these trees...
1707
00:43:47,363 --> 00:43:48,364
- Mm-hmm.
1708
00:43:48,451 --> 00:43:49,714
- Was thousands and thousands
1709
00:43:49,801 --> 00:43:51,933
of orchids.
1710
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:53,718
The death trap, of course,
1711
00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:55,545
was this staircase.
1712
00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:56,721
I mean, if you
1713
00:43:56,808 --> 00:43:58,418
were a little bit too drunk
1714
00:43:58,505 --> 00:43:59,593
or too high...
1715
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,942
- Mm-hmm.
1716
00:44:01,029 --> 00:44:02,180
- You might have not finished
1717
00:44:02,204 --> 00:44:03,292
the night.
1718
00:44:03,379 --> 00:44:04,467
I don't know if there
1719
00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:05,643
was a lawsuit those days
1720
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:06,948
against somebody.
1721
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:11,736
- But I think that if my...
1722
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:16,654
Smith: What first
1723
00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:17,781
intrigued me about halston
1724
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:19,047
were stories of the legendary
1725
00:44:19,134 --> 00:44:21,441
dinner parties he used to give,
1726
00:44:21,528 --> 00:44:23,356
all these incredible people
1727
00:44:23,443 --> 00:44:24,523
reveling in the last throws
1728
00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:28,143
of decadence...
1729
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:29,405
Yves Saint Laurent,
1730
00:44:29,492 --> 00:44:30,493
beatty, bacall.
1731
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:31,625
When the current owner
1732
00:44:31,712 --> 00:44:32,713
bought the house
1733
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,975
from halston's estate...
1734
00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:35,107
Salvador dalí.
1735
00:44:35,194 --> 00:44:36,258
He kept these warhol polaroids
1736
00:44:36,282 --> 00:44:37,283
hanging right here.
1737
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:38,414
Miss Liz's birthday
1738
00:44:38,501 --> 00:44:39,633
with probably Betty Ford
1739
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:40,982
somewhere.
1740
00:44:41,069 --> 00:44:42,157
A brilliant monument
1741
00:44:42,244 --> 00:44:44,246
to a lost era.
1742
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:45,453
Definitely get Bianca Jagger
1743
00:44:45,508 --> 00:44:46,684
shaving her armpit there.
1744
00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:47,989
That's an important piece
1745
00:44:48,076 --> 00:44:51,601
of history.
1746
00:44:55,649 --> 00:44:56,650
- Jackie o. Discoing
1747
00:44:56,737 --> 00:44:58,130
at 54.
1748
00:44:58,217 --> 00:44:59,784
There's Bob colacello
1749
00:44:59,871 --> 00:45:02,003
and Truman capote.
1750
00:45:02,090 --> 00:45:03,178
Boaz, so tell me the story
1751
00:45:03,265 --> 00:45:04,310
behind this picture.
1752
00:45:04,397 --> 00:45:05,485
What's going on here?
1753
00:45:05,572 --> 00:45:06,723
- Well, this was... here I am,
1754
00:45:06,747 --> 00:45:08,009
young boy, all eager to go out.
1755
00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:09,204
As you can see, at this point,
1756
00:45:09,228 --> 00:45:10,316
I didn't even own
1757
00:45:10,403 --> 00:45:11,491
a leather jacket,
1758
00:45:11,578 --> 00:45:12,622
to my surprise.
1759
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:13,711
Philip niarchos
1760
00:45:13,798 --> 00:45:14,838
was a holding a cigarette.
1761
00:45:14,886 --> 00:45:16,104
I hate to say it,
1762
00:45:16,191 --> 00:45:17,192
but it was a joint.
1763
00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:18,324
They airbrushed
1764
00:45:18,411 --> 00:45:21,327
a whole real cigarette longer.
1765
00:45:21,414 --> 00:45:23,024
I don't think this was as long.
1766
00:45:23,111 --> 00:45:24,460
It was much shorter.
1767
00:45:24,547 --> 00:45:25,548
So this was a group
1768
00:45:25,635 --> 00:45:28,769
out on the town to...
1769
00:45:28,856 --> 00:45:29,856
To conquer the city.
1770
00:45:32,425 --> 00:45:33,513
It was a wonderful time.
1771
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,514
- What does it feel like
1772
00:45:34,601 --> 00:45:35,515
coming back here?
1773
00:45:35,602 --> 00:45:36,516
Is it like...
1774
00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:37,603
- No, it's very...
1775
00:45:37,647 --> 00:45:38,518
- Bring back old memories...
1776
00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:39,693
- Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
1777
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:40,801
- Or is it like a different...
1778
00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:41,845
- Well, you know, it's life
1779
00:45:41,869 --> 00:45:42,740
is gone, and we have... have...
1780
00:45:42,827 --> 00:45:43,523
Of course, I don't know
1781
00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:44,524
who can replace halston.
1782
00:45:44,611 --> 00:45:45,611
- Yeah.
1783
00:45:45,655 --> 00:45:46,526
- There was enormous energy
1784
00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:47,527
there.
1785
00:45:47,614 --> 00:45:48,614
- Mm-hmm.
1786
00:45:48,658 --> 00:45:49,529
- There was enormous energy
1787
00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:50,530
all over New York.
1788
00:45:50,617 --> 00:45:51,531
- Well,
1789
00:45:51,618 --> 00:45:52,532
how do we get it back?
1790
00:45:52,619 --> 00:45:53,533
- Oh, nothing comes back.
1791
00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:54,534
- Really?
1792
00:45:54,621 --> 00:45:55,535
- Nothing comes back.
1793
00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:56,536
- So you think that's it?
1794
00:45:56,623 --> 00:45:57,623
- I think we... we lived
1795
00:45:57,667 --> 00:45:58,538
in a very exclusive moment.
1796
00:45:58,625 --> 00:45:59,539
- Yeah, I think so.
1797
00:45:59,626 --> 00:46:00,540
Yeah.
1798
00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:02,368
- I really do.
1799
00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:03,543
- Did you ever go
1800
00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:04,544
to some of the dinner parties
1801
00:46:04,631 --> 00:46:05,545
there?
1802
00:46:05,632 --> 00:46:06,632
- Mm-hmm.
1803
00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:08,548
- What, you can't talk
1804
00:46:08,635 --> 00:46:09,635
about that, either?
1805
00:46:10,637 --> 00:46:11,551
- No. You can't.
1806
00:46:11,638 --> 00:46:12,638
- Really?
1807
00:46:12,682 --> 00:46:13,553
Well, it must have been fun,
1808
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,554
though.
1809
00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:15,641
- Fun's the word.
1810
00:46:16,643 --> 00:46:17,557
- It was all part
1811
00:46:17,644 --> 00:46:18,558
of that halston moment.
1812
00:46:18,645 --> 00:46:19,559
- You said,
1813
00:46:19,646 --> 00:46:20,560
"when hedonism was chic."
1814
00:46:20,647 --> 00:46:21,561
- When hedonism was chic.
1815
00:46:21,648 --> 00:46:22,648
- Really?
1816
00:46:22,692 --> 00:46:23,606
- It's not... it wasn't about
1817
00:46:23,693 --> 00:46:24,607
the food.
1818
00:46:24,694 --> 00:46:25,608
- No, absolutely not.
1819
00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:26,609
It's about the... about
1820
00:46:26,696 --> 00:46:27,610
the clothes.
1821
00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:28,698
- No, it wasn't about
1822
00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:29,612
the clothes at a dinner party.
1823
00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:30,613
- I was just kidding.
1824
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:36,097
- Turn that off.
1825
00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:37,229
Smith: So halston
1826
00:46:37,316 --> 00:46:38,317
had this boyfriend around
1827
00:46:38,404 --> 00:46:39,405
for the longest time
1828
00:46:39,492 --> 00:46:40,536
called Victor Hugo.
1829
00:46:40,623 --> 00:46:41,687
- Victor Hugo was so bad...
1830
00:46:41,711 --> 00:46:42,819
You know, the painter friend.
1831
00:46:42,843 --> 00:46:43,844
- Victor Hugo,
1832
00:46:43,931 --> 00:46:45,106
who was crazy as a bedbug.
1833
00:46:45,193 --> 00:46:46,301
- What was up with Victor Hugo?
1834
00:46:46,325 --> 00:46:47,239
- Oh, he was just as bad
1835
00:46:47,326 --> 00:46:48,240
as bad can be.
1836
00:46:48,327 --> 00:46:49,241
- What does he do?
1837
00:46:49,328 --> 00:46:50,242
He's an artist, you know.
1838
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:51,243
I never knew
1839
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:52,244
if he sold anything.
1840
00:46:52,331 --> 00:46:53,245
- Victor Hugo was like
1841
00:46:53,332 --> 00:46:54,332
the classic court Jester.
1842
00:46:54,376 --> 00:46:55,421
Smith: No one personified
1843
00:46:55,508 --> 00:46:57,597
halston's crazy energy
1844
00:46:57,684 --> 00:46:58,772
more than Victor Hugo,
1845
00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:01,253
his lover and alter ego.
1846
00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:02,428
And I was about to meet
1847
00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:03,603
one of the people
1848
00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:04,734
who knew him best...
1849
00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:06,432
'70s survivor ming vauze.
1850
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:07,607
- Hey, how are you?
1851
00:47:07,694 --> 00:47:09,435
- So Victor Hugo...
1852
00:47:09,522 --> 00:47:10,673
What was his actual relationship
1853
00:47:10,697 --> 00:47:11,697
with halston?
1854
00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:12,830
I mean, what was there...
1855
00:47:12,917 --> 00:47:14,135
What was the dynamic?
1856
00:47:14,222 --> 00:47:15,310
- Uh, well, uh, obviously,
1857
00:47:15,397 --> 00:47:17,312
there's, uh, it's tempestuous,
1858
00:47:17,399 --> 00:47:18,792
but it's also love.
1859
00:47:18,879 --> 00:47:21,142
It's two dynamic personalities.
1860
00:47:21,229 --> 00:47:22,229
Roy halston frowick
1861
00:47:22,274 --> 00:47:24,232
is a midwestern boy
1862
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:25,320
from Indiana,
1863
00:47:25,407 --> 00:47:26,582
and Victor Hugo
1864
00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:28,933
is from Caracas, Venezuela,
1865
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:30,140
and he came here actually...
1866
00:47:30,195 --> 00:47:31,065
- Wait. What's his real name...
1867
00:47:31,152 --> 00:47:32,937
Victor Hugo's real name?
1868
00:47:33,024 --> 00:47:33,938
- Victor Hugo rojas...
1869
00:47:34,025 --> 00:47:34,939
R-o-j-a-s.
1870
00:47:35,026 --> 00:47:36,244
- So it wasn't after
1871
00:47:36,331 --> 00:47:37,811
the... the French author?
1872
00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:38,812
- In a way.
1873
00:47:38,899 --> 00:47:39,813
- Yeah?
1874
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:40,814
- I think he likes
1875
00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:41,815
that confusion.
1876
00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:42,816
People go, "oh, you're
1877
00:47:42,903 --> 00:47:43,903
Victor Hugo, the writer?"
1878
00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:44,818
- It's also a play on words,
1879
00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:45,819
because supposedly,
1880
00:47:45,906 --> 00:47:46,820
he had one of the huge...
1881
00:47:46,907 --> 00:47:47,821
- Exactly. Exactly.
1882
00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:48,822
- You know, o-okay.
1883
00:47:48,909 --> 00:47:49,823
So let me ask,
1884
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:50,824
who was ming vauze?
1885
00:47:50,911 --> 00:47:51,912
- That was me.
1886
00:47:51,999 --> 00:47:52,826
- Was that your nom de plume,
1887
00:47:52,913 --> 00:47:53,827
nom de guerre?
1888
00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:54,828
- That was actually
1889
00:47:54,915 --> 00:47:55,915
a Victor creation.
1890
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:56,874
- Was it?
1891
00:47:56,961 --> 00:47:57,875
- He always encouraged me.
1892
00:47:57,962 --> 00:47:58,876
"Why don't you get onstage
1893
00:47:58,963 --> 00:48:00,616
and do some lip-synching
1894
00:48:00,703 --> 00:48:01,704
for fun?"
1895
00:48:01,791 --> 00:48:02,792
- Oh, yeah.
1896
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,706
- So I said, "what stage name
1897
00:48:03,793 --> 00:48:04,838
should I have?"
1898
00:48:04,925 --> 00:48:05,946
And he gave me miss ming vauze.
1899
00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:08,494
But the vauze is v-a-u-z-e.
1900
00:48:08,581 --> 00:48:10,496
He claimed it's the Puerto Rican
1901
00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:13,325
way of spelling that.
1902
00:48:13,412 --> 00:48:14,532
That was probably 1978, '79.
1903
00:48:14,587 --> 00:48:16,676
- Okay.
1904
00:48:16,763 --> 00:48:17,851
So he was just, like,
1905
00:48:17,938 --> 00:48:19,263
hitting his stride then... Victor?
1906
00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:20,395
- He was on the height of that,
1907
00:48:20,419 --> 00:48:21,507
yeah.
1908
00:48:21,594 --> 00:48:22,682
Every picture
1909
00:48:22,769 --> 00:48:23,857
of the halston group,
1910
00:48:23,944 --> 00:48:24,989
you'll see him in there,
1911
00:48:25,076 --> 00:48:26,338
and also his windows
1912
00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:27,426
are getting very famous.
1913
00:48:27,513 --> 00:48:28,427
- Yeah, what kind of windows
1914
00:48:28,514 --> 00:48:29,534
was he doing with halston?
1915
00:48:29,558 --> 00:48:30,951
- Like, he would do a window
1916
00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:33,519
of a woman giving birth,
1917
00:48:33,606 --> 00:48:35,477
but it's over a course
1918
00:48:35,564 --> 00:48:37,001
of seven days.
1919
00:48:37,088 --> 00:48:38,393
Like, he changes the window
1920
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,742
every day a little bit...
1921
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:40,918
- Mm-hmm.
1922
00:48:41,005 --> 00:48:42,223
- Until, the last day,
1923
00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:43,398
it gave birth.
1924
00:49:11,992 --> 00:49:13,037
- All his references
1925
00:49:13,124 --> 00:49:14,386
are kind of like surreal
1926
00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:17,302
and related to childhood.
1927
00:49:17,389 --> 00:49:18,540
I think that's very primitive.
1928
00:49:18,564 --> 00:49:21,610
- Interesting.
1929
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,600
- Hi, my name is Victor Hugo.
1930
00:49:26,659 --> 00:49:28,008
Je m'appelle estvictor Hugo.
1931
00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:29,314
I'm here because, um,
1932
00:49:29,401 --> 00:49:31,490
I was a great friend of Andy.
1933
00:49:31,577 --> 00:49:32,665
- What was Andy's appeal
1934
00:49:32,752 --> 00:49:33,840
or what was his fascination
1935
00:49:33,927 --> 00:49:35,015
with Victor?
1936
00:49:35,102 --> 00:49:36,321
- Andy really likes Victor
1937
00:49:36,408 --> 00:49:37,496
a lot.
1938
00:49:37,583 --> 00:49:38,671
He has that edge
1939
00:49:38,758 --> 00:49:41,413
people don't have today.
1940
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:42,501
He would be helping Andy
1941
00:49:42,588 --> 00:49:43,589
with the sex parts,
1942
00:49:43,676 --> 00:49:44,720
the serious sex parts.
1943
00:49:44,807 --> 00:49:45,808
- What was that?
1944
00:49:45,895 --> 00:49:46,940
- Tits, ass, cock,
1945
00:49:47,027 --> 00:49:48,028
and all of that stuff.
1946
00:49:48,115 --> 00:49:49,290
- What was
1947
00:49:49,377 --> 00:49:50,291
the most outrageous thing
1948
00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:51,466
he ever did?
1949
00:49:51,553 --> 00:49:52,641
- I remember, like,
1950
00:49:52,728 --> 00:49:53,848
he wanted to do chicken art.
1951
00:49:53,903 --> 00:49:55,557
He put red paint underneath,
1952
00:49:55,644 --> 00:49:57,429
uh, on the chicken's paws
1953
00:49:57,516 --> 00:49:58,604
and then have them walk
1954
00:49:58,691 --> 00:50:00,040
all over blank canvases.
1955
00:50:00,127 --> 00:50:01,955
It was the biggest mess.
1956
00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:03,087
- Didn't he masturbate
1957
00:50:03,174 --> 00:50:04,436
into a chicken on live TV?
1958
00:50:04,523 --> 00:50:05,611
- Probably he did.
1959
00:50:05,698 --> 00:50:06,786
I didn't know that part.
1960
00:50:06,873 --> 00:50:07,961
- It was, like,
1961
00:50:08,048 --> 00:50:09,156
some fake chicken he brought out
1962
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:10,374
and I guess started jerking off
1963
00:50:10,398 --> 00:50:11,443
into it.
1964
00:50:12,618 --> 00:50:13,619
- How close were you
1965
00:50:13,706 --> 00:50:14,750
to halston?
1966
00:50:14,837 --> 00:50:15,901
- As... as close as to having
1967
00:50:15,925 --> 00:50:17,033
my own bedroom between the two
1968
00:50:17,057 --> 00:50:20,626
in montauk for two summers.
1969
00:50:20,713 --> 00:50:21,713
- That's pretty close.
1970
00:50:22,845 --> 00:50:23,629
- There's gotta be some stories
1971
00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:24,630
behind that.
1972
00:50:24,717 --> 00:50:25,631
- Yeah.
1973
00:50:25,718 --> 00:50:26,632
Well, those stories
1974
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,633
should just go to grave.
1975
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:28,634
I think they're... they're...
1976
00:50:28,721 --> 00:50:29,635
Don't you think?
1977
00:50:29,722 --> 00:50:30,636
That's better sometimes.
1978
00:50:30,723 --> 00:50:31,723
- That makes sense, yeah.
1979
00:50:32,725 --> 00:50:33,639
- Oh, thank you.
1980
00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:34,640
- Great. Thanks again.
1981
00:50:34,727 --> 00:50:35,641
Nice meeting you.
1982
00:50:35,728 --> 00:50:39,514
- A pleasure.
1983
00:50:44,867 --> 00:50:45,955
- You know halston,
1984
00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:47,131
the big designer?
1985
00:50:47,218 --> 00:50:48,436
- Mm-hmm.
1986
00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:49,611
- His seamstress was here
1987
00:50:49,698 --> 00:50:50,786
the other night
1988
00:50:50,873 --> 00:50:52,025
with Calvin klein's chauffeur.
1989
00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:54,486
Lots of biggies!
1990
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:55,661
[The weather girls'
1991
00:50:56,836 --> 00:50:57,916
- We're your weather girls.
1992
00:51:25,952 --> 00:51:27,040
Smith: I wondered
1993
00:51:27,127 --> 00:51:28,235
if halston's minimalist designs
1994
00:51:28,259 --> 00:51:29,477
were some kind of reaction
1995
00:51:29,564 --> 00:51:33,177
to the insanity around him.
1996
00:51:33,264 --> 00:51:34,439
I needed to find out more
1997
00:51:34,526 --> 00:51:35,788
about the dark side of New York
1998
00:51:35,875 --> 00:51:37,050
in the '70s,
1999
00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:38,182
and this idea
2000
00:51:38,269 --> 00:51:44,101
that Rome was burning.
2001
00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:45,493
[Mendelssohn's "wedding march
2002
00:51:59,594 --> 00:52:00,682
- Could you do
2003
00:52:00,769 --> 00:52:01,770
"in-a-gadda-da-vida"?
2004
00:52:01,857 --> 00:52:02,902
- Oh, that's, uh...
2005
00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:21,225
- That's some juice.
2006
00:52:22,617 --> 00:52:23,618
- Yep.
2007
00:52:23,705 --> 00:52:25,533
That's my new baby.
2008
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:26,771
- So in your song "big shot,"
2009
00:52:26,795 --> 00:52:28,449
you mention halston.
2010
00:52:28,536 --> 00:52:29,624
Was that kind of like
2011
00:52:29,711 --> 00:52:30,831
your reaction against disco,
2012
00:52:30,886 --> 00:52:31,966
or how did that come about?
2013
00:52:32,018 --> 00:52:33,058
- "They were all impressed
2014
00:52:33,106 --> 00:52:34,107
with your halston dress,
2015
00:52:34,194 --> 00:52:35,302
and the people that you knew
2016
00:52:35,326 --> 00:52:36,327
at Elaine's."
2017
00:52:36,414 --> 00:52:38,590
Well, halston was the big name
2018
00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:39,765
in New York.
2019
00:52:39,852 --> 00:52:41,114
Even I knew who halston was,
2020
00:52:41,201 --> 00:52:42,768
and I... believe me, I know
2021
00:52:42,855 --> 00:52:43,943
nothing about that shit.
2022
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:45,118
- Yeah.
2023
00:52:45,205 --> 00:52:46,250
- He was at studio 54.
2024
00:52:46,337 --> 00:52:47,599
He was hanging out
2025
00:52:47,686 --> 00:52:48,774
with that disco crowd.
2026
00:52:48,861 --> 00:52:49,949
Um, he was always
2027
00:52:50,036 --> 00:52:51,516
where the scene was.
2028
00:53:20,936 --> 00:53:21,981
- So give us a sense of,
2029
00:53:22,068 --> 00:53:23,069
like, New York '70s.
2030
00:53:23,156 --> 00:53:24,220
What was that like living in...
2031
00:53:24,244 --> 00:53:25,284
- Well, in... in New York,
2032
00:53:25,332 --> 00:53:26,812
especially, there was a sense
2033
00:53:26,899 --> 00:53:30,032
of potential impending disaster.
2034
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:31,512
The crime rate was high,
2035
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:32,600
drugs being dealt
2036
00:53:32,687 --> 00:53:33,751
right out there in the street,
2037
00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:35,081
a lot of prostitution.
2038
00:53:35,168 --> 00:53:36,169
We had just ended
2039
00:53:36,256 --> 00:53:37,257
the war in Vietnam.
2040
00:53:37,344 --> 00:53:38,563
You know, there was the...
2041
00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:39,738
The Nixon debacle.
2042
00:53:39,825 --> 00:53:41,305
Uh, everybody was cynical.
2043
00:53:41,392 --> 00:53:42,610
There was a blackout.
2044
00:53:42,697 --> 00:53:44,090
I think it was in '77.
2045
00:53:44,177 --> 00:53:45,178
I was in Lincoln center
2046
00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:46,962
at philharmonic hall.
2047
00:53:47,049 --> 00:53:48,169
We were watching boz scaggs.
2048
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,618
- And we're sitting there,
2049
00:53:50,705 --> 00:53:51,793
and he's doing...
2050
00:53:53,055 --> 00:53:54,076
And the whole thing just dies.
2051
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:55,884
It was just chaos.
2052
00:53:55,971 --> 00:53:57,091
I mean, cars were piling up.
2053
00:53:57,146 --> 00:53:58,254
People started directing traffic
2054
00:53:58,278 --> 00:53:59,540
in the middle of intersections.
2055
00:53:59,627 --> 00:54:00,802
Shit hit the fan.
2056
00:54:00,889 --> 00:54:01,977
It was a sense
2057
00:54:02,064 --> 00:54:03,588
of impending doom.
2058
00:54:03,675 --> 00:54:04,937
- So would you say, like,
2059
00:54:05,024 --> 00:54:06,199
the reaction was to
2060
00:54:06,286 --> 00:54:07,287
kind of have fun...
2061
00:54:07,374 --> 00:54:09,246
Disco, sex, drugs, everything?
2062
00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:10,551
- There was a lot of that,
2063
00:54:10,638 --> 00:54:11,726
absolutely.
2064
00:54:11,813 --> 00:54:13,337
It was... it was like a big party.
2065
00:54:13,424 --> 00:54:14,744
You know, they... they talk about
2066
00:54:14,773 --> 00:54:15,991
the stories of Hitler's bunker
2067
00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:17,210
at the end of the war.
2068
00:54:17,297 --> 00:54:18,211
Everybody
2069
00:54:18,298 --> 00:54:19,212
was drinking champagne.
2070
00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:20,344
Everybody was boppin'
2071
00:54:20,431 --> 00:54:21,214
everybody else in the bunker...
2072
00:54:21,301 --> 00:54:22,301
- Yeah.
2073
00:54:22,346 --> 00:54:23,366
- Because the... the Russians
2074
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:24,217
were gonna come any second.
2075
00:54:24,304 --> 00:54:25,218
- Yeah.
2076
00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:26,219
- Well, there was a sense
2077
00:54:26,306 --> 00:54:27,220
of that in New York.
2078
00:54:27,307 --> 00:54:28,352
It was just everything
2079
00:54:28,439 --> 00:54:29,679
was over the top and excessive.
2080
00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:49,068
- Do you believe this?
2081
00:54:49,155 --> 00:54:50,852
Every night, rain or snow,
2082
00:54:50,939 --> 00:54:52,289
these frantic night people
2083
00:54:52,376 --> 00:54:53,594
stand here for hours
2084
00:54:53,681 --> 00:54:55,117
waving and yelling, "me! Me!
2085
00:54:55,204 --> 00:54:56,380
Chose me!"
2086
00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:57,772
Well, we're at the most famous
2087
00:54:57,859 --> 00:54:59,078
disco in the country...
2088
00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:00,297
Of course it's New York's
2089
00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:02,081
studio 54.
2090
00:55:02,168 --> 00:55:03,387
And this guy right here
2091
00:55:03,474 --> 00:55:04,910
is studio 54's owner
2092
00:55:04,997 --> 00:55:05,997
Steve Rubell.
2093
00:55:06,041 --> 00:55:07,608
He's the man who decides.
2094
00:55:07,695 --> 00:55:08,783
They all wait
2095
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:09,958
for his golden touch,
2096
00:55:10,045 --> 00:55:11,090
that magic hand
2097
00:55:11,177 --> 00:55:12,217
that will let them through
2098
00:55:12,265 --> 00:55:13,266
that velvet rope,
2099
00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:14,398
the touch that means,
2100
00:55:14,485 --> 00:55:15,660
"you've made it.
2101
00:55:15,747 --> 00:55:16,747
You've been accepted."
2102
00:55:16,791 --> 00:55:17,792
- Steve Rubell
2103
00:55:17,879 --> 00:55:18,924
had opened this club.
2104
00:55:19,011 --> 00:55:20,012
Halston had been invited
2105
00:55:20,099 --> 00:55:21,100
to the opening of it,
2106
00:55:21,187 --> 00:55:22,295
and he went and looked around
2107
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:23,320
and it was the old
2108
00:55:23,407 --> 00:55:24,669
ed Sullivan theater.
2109
00:55:24,756 --> 00:55:25,756
He said, "you know what?
2110
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,888
I'm gonna give
2111
00:55:26,975 --> 00:55:28,126
Bianca's birthday party here."
2112
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:29,238
He did that,
2113
00:55:29,326 --> 00:55:30,762
and it got the place publicity.
2114
00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:31,937
- Even if you have
2115
00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:33,112
the $10 fee,
2116
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:34,287
you're not always
2117
00:55:34,374 --> 00:55:35,288
guaranteed admission.
2118
00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:36,376
And if Steve doesn't like
2119
00:55:36,463 --> 00:55:37,638
the way you look,
2120
00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:41,207
you'll never get in.
2121
00:55:43,818 --> 00:55:44,906
- I moved to New York
2122
00:55:44,993 --> 00:55:46,081
in August of '77.
2123
00:55:46,168 --> 00:55:47,256
- Hi. Seeing Jim Moore.
2124
00:55:47,344 --> 00:55:48,344
- It was the summer of...
2125
00:55:48,388 --> 00:55:49,433
The summer of Sam.
2126
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,912
- I prefer "teen vogue."
2127
00:55:50,999 --> 00:55:52,087
- It was like, you know,
2128
00:55:52,174 --> 00:55:53,262
maybe a month after
2129
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:54,438
the blackout.
2130
00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:55,743
Your badge of merit
2131
00:55:55,830 --> 00:55:56,918
was to get mugged.
2132
00:55:57,005 --> 00:55:58,093
It was
2133
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:59,965
a completely different New York.
2134
00:56:00,052 --> 00:56:01,140
I did have friends
2135
00:56:01,227 --> 00:56:02,663
that loved going to studio 54.
2136
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:03,830
I'd be doing my schoolwork,
2137
00:56:03,882 --> 00:56:04,946
and they would take the pen
2138
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:05,971
out of my hand and say,
2139
00:56:06,058 --> 00:56:07,102
"come on, let's go."
2140
00:56:07,189 --> 00:56:08,253
So we would go three nights
2141
00:56:08,277 --> 00:56:09,322
a week, and, you know,
2142
00:56:09,409 --> 00:56:10,473
it's one of those situations
2143
00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:11,672
where, when you pull up
2144
00:56:11,759 --> 00:56:12,804
in your taxi,
2145
00:56:12,891 --> 00:56:13,935
you've got two minutes
2146
00:56:14,022 --> 00:56:15,043
to get in, because if they start
2147
00:56:15,067 --> 00:56:16,111
recognizing your face,
2148
00:56:16,198 --> 00:56:17,198
then you're kind of like
2149
00:56:17,243 --> 00:56:18,263
the loser, you know, who's,
2150
00:56:18,287 --> 00:56:19,114
like, waiting in the crowd.
2151
00:56:19,201 --> 00:56:20,201
- Yeah.
2152
00:56:20,246 --> 00:56:21,116
- I just, you know, remember
2153
00:56:21,203 --> 00:56:22,117
looking from side to side,
2154
00:56:22,204 --> 00:56:23,118
again, all kind of
2155
00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:24,119
in slow motion and seeing,
2156
00:56:24,206 --> 00:56:25,120
like, girls shivering
2157
00:56:25,207 --> 00:56:26,121
in strapless dresses,
2158
00:56:26,208 --> 00:56:27,209
this frizzy hair, and you
2159
00:56:27,296 --> 00:56:28,210
just knew they had been there
2160
00:56:28,297 --> 00:56:29,124
for a long period of time.
2161
00:56:29,211 --> 00:56:30,299
- Yeah.
2162
00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:31,300
- You just wanted to tell them
2163
00:56:31,388 --> 00:56:32,388
all to go home, you know?
2164
00:56:32,432 --> 00:56:33,128
The whole thing was so evil.
2165
00:56:33,215 --> 00:56:34,129
You know, often times,
2166
00:56:34,216 --> 00:56:35,130
I would be in there
2167
00:56:35,217 --> 00:56:36,131
for a couple of hours,
2168
00:56:36,218 --> 00:56:37,132
and I would come out,
2169
00:56:37,219 --> 00:56:38,133
and I would still see
2170
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:39,134
that same girl shivering
2171
00:56:39,221 --> 00:56:40,222
in her strapless dress.
2172
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:41,389
- We went there, and people
2173
00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:42,549
were so beautifully dressed,
2174
00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:43,835
at least in the summer.
2175
00:56:43,922 --> 00:56:45,042
If you went to a discotheque
2176
00:56:45,097 --> 00:56:46,011
now, it's shake it to make it.
2177
00:56:46,098 --> 00:56:47,099
Then you
2178
00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:51,451
would have been dressed.
2179
00:56:54,541 --> 00:56:55,716
- Tonight happened to be
2180
00:56:55,803 --> 00:56:56,848
Liza's birthday,
2181
00:56:56,935 --> 00:56:57,979
and everybody was there
2182
00:56:58,066 --> 00:56:59,087
to celebrate from Truman capote
2183
00:56:59,111 --> 00:57:00,155
to Andy warhol.
2184
00:57:00,242 --> 00:57:01,243
And a host
2185
00:57:01,330 --> 00:57:02,419
of New York, New York's
2186
00:57:02,506 --> 00:57:03,507
beautiful people
2187
00:57:03,594 --> 00:57:04,812
were dancing the night away.
2188
00:57:04,899 --> 00:57:05,900
And, of course, halston
2189
00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:10,035
blessed and dressed them all.
2190
00:57:12,516 --> 00:57:13,517
- The thing about halston
2191
00:57:13,604 --> 00:57:14,822
and Andy warhol
2192
00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:15,910
and others like that
2193
00:57:15,997 --> 00:57:17,042
is they stood out.
2194
00:57:17,129 --> 00:57:18,130
You wanted to know
2195
00:57:18,217 --> 00:57:19,218
who they were.
2196
00:57:19,305 --> 00:57:20,349
- Yeah.
2197
00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:21,438
- Who... who is that?
2198
00:57:21,525 --> 00:57:22,526
You didn't necessarily
2199
00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:23,831
hear about them first.
2200
00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:24,919
You saw them and went,
2201
00:57:25,006 --> 00:57:26,051
"who is that person?"
2202
00:57:26,138 --> 00:57:27,202
I was a kid, and I had a job
2203
00:57:27,226 --> 00:57:28,227
as a photographer
2204
00:57:28,314 --> 00:57:29,358
going out to parties.
2205
00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:30,447
I used to make a whole $3
2206
00:57:30,534 --> 00:57:31,535
a photograph.
2207
00:57:31,622 --> 00:57:32,840
Halston had such amazing
2208
00:57:32,927 --> 00:57:33,928
sort of presence.
2209
00:57:34,015 --> 00:57:35,060
He looked larger than life
2210
00:57:35,147 --> 00:57:36,191
to me.
2211
00:57:36,278 --> 00:57:37,299
He liked having beautiful people
2212
00:57:37,323 --> 00:57:38,367
around him.
2213
00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:39,575
It all became one big niche.
2214
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,445
- You feel it.
2215
00:58:12,532 --> 00:58:13,533
I mean, the excitement
2216
00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:14,795
of the props coming down
2217
00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:16,014
and the... the balcony...
2218
00:58:16,101 --> 00:58:17,406
It's just exciting.
2219
00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:18,582
It's where you come
2220
00:58:18,669 --> 00:58:19,887
when you want to escape.
2221
00:58:19,974 --> 00:58:21,889
It's... it's really escapism.
2222
00:58:31,377 --> 00:58:32,291
- "A champion of dance,
2223
00:58:32,378 --> 00:58:33,292
his moves will put you
2224
00:58:33,379 --> 00:58:34,293
in a trance,
2225
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:35,294
and he never leaves
2226
00:58:35,381 --> 00:58:36,381
the disco alone.
2227
00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:38,079
Arrogant, but not conceited,
2228
00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:39,516
as a man, he's complete.
2229
00:58:39,603 --> 00:58:41,126
My crème de la crème,
2230
00:58:41,213 --> 00:58:42,388
please take me home.
2231
00:58:42,475 --> 00:58:43,389
He wears the finest clothes,
2232
00:58:43,476 --> 00:58:44,564
the best designers,
2233
00:58:44,651 --> 00:58:45,651
heaven knows,
2234
00:58:45,696 --> 00:58:46,914
ooh, from his head
2235
00:58:47,001 --> 00:58:48,176
down to his toes.
2236
00:58:48,263 --> 00:58:50,483
Halston, Gucci, fiorucci."
2237
00:58:51,919 --> 00:58:52,964
- Which was the only thing
2238
00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:54,574
that we could have rhymed.
2239
00:58:54,661 --> 00:58:55,836
You know, to us halston was
2240
00:58:55,923 --> 00:58:56,837
the ultimate cool guy...
2241
00:58:56,924 --> 00:58:57,838
- Sure.
2242
00:58:57,925 --> 00:58:58,946
- That sort of represented
2243
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:00,145
this mythical person
2244
00:59:00,232 --> 00:59:01,146
that we were trying
2245
00:59:01,233 --> 00:59:02,495
to paint in the song.
2246
00:59:02,582 --> 00:59:03,888
It's funny how, uh,
2247
00:59:03,975 --> 00:59:04,975
we were really married
2248
00:59:05,019 --> 00:59:06,412
to that place.
2249
00:59:06,499 --> 00:59:07,848
Grace Jones had invited us
2250
00:59:07,935 --> 00:59:09,328
to see her new year's Eve show
2251
00:59:09,415 --> 00:59:10,851
at studio 54.
2252
00:59:10,938 --> 00:59:12,200
So she says, "oh, darling,
2253
00:59:12,287 --> 00:59:13,395
nile, why don't you and 'nard
2254
00:59:13,419 --> 00:59:14,420
come over,
2255
00:59:14,507 --> 00:59:15,377
'cause I'd love you to produce
2256
00:59:15,464 --> 00:59:16,378
my next album,
2257
00:59:16,465 --> 00:59:17,379
you know what I'm saying?
2258
00:59:17,466 --> 00:59:18,466
I love you."
2259
00:59:18,511 --> 00:59:19,381
It's like, "all right, cool,
2260
00:59:19,468 --> 00:59:20,382
grace, put our names
2261
00:59:20,469 --> 00:59:21,514
on the list."
2262
00:59:21,601 --> 00:59:22,646
- Mm-hmm.
2263
00:59:22,733 --> 00:59:23,560
- Of course, if you know grace,
2264
00:59:23,647 --> 00:59:24,561
making a plan with grace
2265
00:59:24,648 --> 00:59:25,953
is like making a plan
2266
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,040
with grace.
2267
00:59:27,085 --> 00:59:28,085
- Uh-huh.
2268
00:59:29,174 --> 00:59:30,654
Our song, "dance, dance, dance
2269
00:59:32,046 --> 00:59:33,047
had been pumpin'
2270
00:59:33,134 --> 00:59:34,048
into that place.
2271
00:59:34,135 --> 00:59:36,007
- Yowsah, yowsah, yowsah.
2272
00:59:37,443 --> 00:59:38,463
- So I guess grace thought
2273
00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:39,487
that we were
2274
00:59:39,532 --> 00:59:40,446
in the inner circle,
2275
00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:41,447
but we weren't.
2276
00:59:41,534 --> 00:59:42,448
They didn't let us in
2277
00:59:42,535 --> 00:59:43,536
no matter what we said.
2278
00:59:43,623 --> 00:59:44,537
We said, "check the list.
2279
00:59:44,624 --> 00:59:45,538
We're personal guests
2280
00:59:45,625 --> 00:59:46,670
of grace Jones,"
2281
00:59:46,757 --> 00:59:47,888
blah, blah, blah.
2282
00:59:47,975 --> 00:59:49,083
We went around to the back door.
2283
00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:50,108
Same deal... guy says,
2284
00:59:50,195 --> 00:59:51,239
"you're not on the list.
2285
00:59:51,326 --> 00:59:52,197
You know, I don't see chic here,
2286
00:59:52,284 --> 00:59:53,372
chic shit."
2287
00:59:53,459 --> 00:59:54,591
We walked around the corner
2288
00:59:54,678 --> 00:59:55,940
to my apartment
2289
00:59:56,027 --> 00:59:57,134
after getting a couple bottles
2290
00:59:57,158 --> 00:59:58,464
of champagne.
2291
00:59:58,551 --> 00:59:59,552
And we got pretty lit,
2292
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:01,032
and we started jammin'.
2293
01:00:06,472 --> 01:00:08,169
Yeah.
2294
01:00:08,256 --> 01:00:09,562
- Fuck off.
2295
01:00:10,998 --> 01:00:13,000
Fuck studio 54.
2296
01:00:14,262 --> 01:00:15,262
And then 'nard said,
2297
01:00:15,307 --> 01:00:16,525
"man, do that jazzy shit."
2298
01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:18,571
And I went...
2299
01:00:23,271 --> 01:00:24,403
Bernard looks at me
2300
01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:25,926
and went,
2301
01:00:26,013 --> 01:00:27,013
"you know this shit
2302
01:00:27,058 --> 01:00:28,058
is happenin', right?"
2303
01:00:29,147 --> 01:00:30,061
- "You know that.
2304
01:00:30,148 --> 01:00:31,062
You know this shit
2305
01:00:31,149 --> 01:00:32,150
is happenin'."
2306
01:00:32,237 --> 01:00:33,437
So I went, "bro, how about..."
2307
01:00:35,022 --> 01:00:35,936
And Bernard, man,
2308
01:00:36,023 --> 01:00:37,285
it was just a light bulb
2309
01:00:37,372 --> 01:00:38,372
went off over his head,
2310
01:00:38,417 --> 01:00:39,481
and he went, "that's it..."
2311
01:00:39,505 --> 01:00:40,505
- Uh-huh.
2312
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:41,549
- "Freak out."
2313
01:00:45,816 --> 01:00:46,947
- And that became the anthem
2314
01:00:47,034 --> 01:00:48,732
of studio 54.
2315
01:00:51,517 --> 01:00:53,606
- There were many nights
2316
01:00:53,693 --> 01:00:54,738
when both of us
2317
01:00:54,825 --> 01:00:56,261
had to work the next day.
2318
01:00:56,348 --> 01:00:58,132
When we'd go in the front door,
2319
01:00:58,219 --> 01:01:00,004
get everybody settled,
2320
01:01:00,091 --> 01:01:01,179
we'd go right out the back
2321
01:01:01,266 --> 01:01:02,180
and go home.
2322
01:01:02,267 --> 01:01:03,355
Just go home,
2323
01:01:03,442 --> 01:01:04,356
because you had to get up
2324
01:01:04,443 --> 01:01:05,531
in the morning.
2325
01:01:05,618 --> 01:01:06,532
- You would end up
2326
01:01:06,619 --> 01:01:07,640
out of that door at, like,
2327
01:01:07,664 --> 01:01:08,534
8:00 or 9:00 in the morning.
2328
01:01:08,621 --> 01:01:09,535
- Okay.
2329
01:01:09,622 --> 01:01:10,536
- Oh, yeah.
2330
01:01:10,623 --> 01:01:11,537
- Yeah.
2331
01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:12,704
- He gave us... I remember,
2332
01:01:12,756 --> 01:01:13,863
he'd given us black sunglasses,
2333
01:01:13,887 --> 01:01:14,995
like, these mirrored sunglasses,
2334
01:01:15,019 --> 01:01:15,889
'cause we always would stay out
2335
01:01:15,976 --> 01:01:16,803
till, like, 8:00, 9:00,
2336
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:17,586
10:00 in the morning.
2337
01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:18,674
- Yeah.
2338
01:01:18,718 --> 01:01:19,718
- Well, he always had
2339
01:01:19,763 --> 01:01:21,068
these big windows.
2340
01:01:21,155 --> 01:01:22,461
The sun was always coming in.
2341
01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:23,636
So he had, you know,
2342
01:01:23,723 --> 01:01:25,464
dark glasses a lot, you know.
2343
01:01:25,551 --> 01:01:27,074
- Well, how wild did 54 get?
2344
01:01:27,161 --> 01:01:28,161
- It wasn't that wild.
2345
01:01:28,206 --> 01:01:29,207
- It wasn't?
2346
01:01:29,294 --> 01:01:30,121
- No, I mean, everybody likes
2347
01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:31,122
to make it that wild,
2348
01:01:31,209 --> 01:01:32,123
but I never saw anything.
2349
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:33,211
- Coke and quaaludes.
2350
01:01:33,298 --> 01:01:34,362
- Coke and... lots of quaaludes
2351
01:01:34,386 --> 01:01:35,300
and lots of coke.
2352
01:01:35,387 --> 01:01:36,387
- Lots of liquor.
2353
01:01:36,431 --> 01:01:37,495
- Doesn't quaalude make you
2354
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:38,540
go to sleep or make you tired?
2355
01:01:38,564 --> 01:01:39,304
- No, 'cause it balances out
2356
01:01:39,391 --> 01:01:40,392
- of course, halston
2357
01:01:40,479 --> 01:01:41,306
protected me from everything.
2358
01:01:41,393 --> 01:01:42,307
- Sure, yeah.
2359
01:01:42,394 --> 01:01:43,394
- But I mean,
2360
01:01:43,438 --> 01:01:44,309
I never went to the balcony.
2361
01:01:44,396 --> 01:01:45,310
Who went to the balcony?
2362
01:01:45,397 --> 01:01:46,397
He didn't.
2363
01:01:46,441 --> 01:01:47,462
- Did you two go down there?
2364
01:01:47,486 --> 01:01:48,550
- There was, like, all these
2365
01:01:48,574 --> 01:01:49,314
little, um, cages downstairs.
2366
01:01:49,401 --> 01:01:50,401
- Cages?
2367
01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:51,466
- People would be down there
2368
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:52,317
having sex and doing drugs.
2369
01:01:52,404 --> 01:01:53,318
- And a lot of celebrities
2370
01:01:53,405 --> 01:01:54,319
would go down there.
2371
01:01:54,406 --> 01:01:55,494
- Yeah, it was such a...
2372
01:01:55,581 --> 01:01:56,495
- 'Cause you could do the coke
2373
01:01:56,582 --> 01:01:57,322
and the drugs down there.
2374
01:01:57,409 --> 01:01:58,323
- And people wouldn't
2375
01:01:58,410 --> 01:01:59,324
be watching.
2376
01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:00,325
- Whoever was up there
2377
01:02:00,412 --> 01:02:01,413
was doing their own thing
2378
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:02,520
it wasn't my business or his.
2379
01:02:02,544 --> 01:02:03,328
- Yeah. So it wasn't as good
2380
01:02:03,415 --> 01:02:04,416
as people say it was.
2381
01:02:04,503 --> 01:02:05,654
- What do you mean by "good"?
2382
01:02:05,678 --> 01:02:06,331
- There were, like, mattresses
2383
01:02:06,418 --> 01:02:07,332
on the floor.
2384
01:02:07,419 --> 01:02:08,333
- And rugs.
2385
01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:09,334
- Mattresses?
2386
01:02:09,421 --> 01:02:10,335
- Oh, yeah.
2387
01:02:10,422 --> 01:02:11,336
- Weren't they filthy,
2388
01:02:11,423 --> 01:02:12,337
these mattresses?
2389
01:02:12,424 --> 01:02:13,338
- Oh, disgusting.
2390
01:02:13,425 --> 01:02:14,339
- Filthy, disgusting.
2391
01:02:14,426 --> 01:02:15,340
- And they'd still
2392
01:02:15,427 --> 01:02:16,427
get on 'em anyway.
2393
01:02:16,471 --> 01:02:17,535
- Oh, my god, and the people
2394
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:18,343
that you would see down there.
2395
01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:19,344
- Good question.
2396
01:02:19,431 --> 01:02:20,345
You know, kind of...
2397
01:02:20,432 --> 01:02:21,346
You know, a little sex,
2398
01:02:21,433 --> 01:02:22,347
have a little fun,
2399
01:02:22,434 --> 01:02:23,348
get a little wild.
2400
01:02:23,435 --> 01:02:24,435
I don't know, I mean,
2401
01:02:24,479 --> 01:02:25,350
something along those lines.
2402
01:02:25,437 --> 01:02:26,351
- Never happened to me.
2403
01:02:26,438 --> 01:02:27,482
- Well, I'm not saying...
2404
01:02:27,569 --> 01:02:28,353
- Never happened to him either.
2405
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,440
I was with him.
2406
01:02:29,484 --> 01:02:30,355
- Maybe it seemed really fun
2407
01:02:30,442 --> 01:02:31,356
because we were on
2408
01:02:31,443 --> 01:02:32,357
so many drugs.
2409
01:02:32,444 --> 01:02:33,358
We didn't know otherwise.
2410
01:02:33,445 --> 01:02:34,445
You know, I mean...
2411
01:02:35,577 --> 01:02:36,361
- So what was Victor Hugo up to
2412
01:02:36,448 --> 01:02:37,362
during 54?
2413
01:02:37,449 --> 01:02:38,363
He was a total freak
2414
01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:39,364
from my understanding.
2415
01:02:39,451 --> 01:02:40,365
- He was crazy.
2416
01:02:40,452 --> 01:02:41,366
- A good crazy.
2417
01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:42,367
- A good crazy.
2418
01:02:42,454 --> 01:02:43,498
- A good crazy?
2419
01:02:43,585 --> 01:02:44,369
- A lot of energy, good energy.
2420
01:02:44,456 --> 01:02:45,370
- Yeah.
2421
01:02:45,457 --> 01:02:46,477
- He had his own language.
2422
01:02:46,501 --> 01:02:47,372
- He didn't make any sense.
2423
01:02:47,459 --> 01:02:48,373
He had his own lang...
2424
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:49,374
- Sex addict.
2425
01:02:49,461 --> 01:02:50,375
He was a total sex addict.
2426
01:02:50,462 --> 01:02:51,376
- But he was so out there.
2427
01:02:51,463 --> 01:02:52,377
But you know what?
2428
01:02:52,464 --> 01:02:53,378
He would bring us
2429
01:02:53,465 --> 01:02:54,379
over to halston's,
2430
01:02:54,466 --> 01:02:55,380
and halston would give us
2431
01:02:55,467 --> 01:02:56,511
clothes to wear and stuff.
2432
01:02:56,598 --> 01:02:57,750
And we would go out on the town.
2433
01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:58,557
- And the next thing you know,
2434
01:02:58,644 --> 01:02:59,384
Victor's tearing up
2435
01:02:59,471 --> 01:03:00,385
your clothes.
2436
01:03:00,472 --> 01:03:01,386
- Or spray-paint
2437
01:03:01,473 --> 01:03:02,387
or throw paint on you or...
2438
01:03:02,474 --> 01:03:03,388
Like, he would be
2439
01:03:03,475 --> 01:03:04,389
on the dance floor
2440
01:03:04,476 --> 01:03:05,390
or in the club
2441
01:03:05,477 --> 01:03:06,391
running up to people
2442
01:03:06,478 --> 01:03:07,392
he didn't know
2443
01:03:07,479 --> 01:03:08,393
and tearing things,
2444
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,394
'cause he would think
2445
01:03:09,481 --> 01:03:10,395
that was art.
2446
01:03:10,482 --> 01:03:11,396
- These are Victor's shoes
2447
01:03:11,483 --> 01:03:12,397
that he sculpted.
2448
01:03:12,484 --> 01:03:13,398
- You mentioned
2449
01:03:13,485 --> 01:03:14,399
about Truman capote...
2450
01:03:14,486 --> 01:03:15,400
- I called him a queen.
2451
01:03:15,487 --> 01:03:16,531
- You did?
2452
01:03:16,618 --> 01:03:17,402
- Yeah. He actually slapped me.
2453
01:03:17,489 --> 01:03:18,403
- He did?
2454
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:19,491
- He said,
2455
01:03:19,578 --> 01:03:20,642
"you're nothing but a whore."
2456
01:03:20,666 --> 01:03:21,406
- It was his face-lift party.
2457
01:03:21,493 --> 01:03:22,493
- Yeah, it was
2458
01:03:22,537 --> 01:03:23,537
his face-lift party.
2459
01:03:23,582 --> 01:03:24,496
He'd just had a face-lift.
2460
01:03:24,583 --> 01:03:25,497
- A face-lift party?
2461
01:03:25,584 --> 01:03:26,498
- That's what it was.
2462
01:03:26,585 --> 01:03:27,499
And Truman didn't want me
2463
01:03:27,586 --> 01:03:28,586
to come in.
2464
01:03:29,588 --> 01:03:30,632
"Not until he apologizes."
2465
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:31,719
You know, like...
2466
01:03:32,634 --> 01:03:33,505
- And I had to kiss his ass.
2467
01:03:33,592 --> 01:03:34,506
- Well, why would he throw
2468
01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:35,593
a party for a face-lift?
2469
01:03:35,637 --> 01:03:36,508
- 'Cause he wanted everyone
2470
01:03:36,595 --> 01:03:37,509
to see what he looked like
2471
01:03:37,596 --> 01:03:38,510
afterwards.
2472
01:03:38,597 --> 01:03:39,511
- What did he look like?
2473
01:03:39,598 --> 01:03:40,512
- I don't remember.
2474
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:41,643
I was on drugs.
2475
01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:42,514
And everyone there was on drugs.
2476
01:03:42,601 --> 01:03:43,602
- A lot of that time
2477
01:03:43,689 --> 01:03:44,753
has made my career what it is,
2478
01:03:44,777 --> 01:03:45,517
because I was exposed to that
2479
01:03:45,604 --> 01:03:46,605
at such an early age.
2480
01:03:46,692 --> 01:03:47,519
I was a busboy at studio 54...
2481
01:03:47,606 --> 01:03:48,520
- Oh, really?
2482
01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:49,521
- Early on, yeah.
2483
01:03:49,608 --> 01:03:50,522
David lachapelle and I
2484
01:03:50,609 --> 01:03:51,523
were both busboys there.
2485
01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:52,698
- Oh, I'm so sorry.
2486
01:03:52,785 --> 01:03:53,525
- Have you noticed the camera?
2487
01:03:53,612 --> 01:03:54,700
That's cool.
2488
01:03:54,787 --> 01:03:55,919
I would like you
2489
01:03:56,006 --> 01:03:57,703
if you walked away.
2490
01:03:57,790 --> 01:03:58,922
- How crazy was it then?
2491
01:03:59,009 --> 01:03:59,923
- It was insane.
2492
01:04:00,010 --> 01:04:00,924
It was bananas.
2493
01:04:01,011 --> 01:04:01,925
It was just bananas.
2494
01:04:02,012 --> 01:04:03,796
- What was the most, like,
2495
01:04:03,883 --> 01:04:05,276
fucked-up thing you saw there?
2496
01:04:05,363 --> 01:04:07,278
- Um...
2497
01:04:07,365 --> 01:04:09,454
It was... I don't remember
2498
01:04:09,541 --> 01:04:10,672
the... the massiveness,
2499
01:04:10,759 --> 01:04:12,152
I remember the opulence.
2500
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:13,458
I remember the parties.
2501
01:04:13,545 --> 01:04:14,633
New year's Eve
2502
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,721
with 6 inches of glitter
2503
01:04:15,808 --> 01:04:16,940
on the ground.
2504
01:04:17,027 --> 01:04:17,941
And so for days after
2505
01:04:18,028 --> 01:04:19,159
you saw the glitter
2506
01:04:19,246 --> 01:04:20,552
on the streets.
2507
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:21,770
There will never be anything
2508
01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:22,946
like studio 54 again.
2509
01:04:23,033 --> 01:04:25,296
It's just forever here
2510
01:04:25,383 --> 01:04:28,386
and here.
2511
01:04:36,481 --> 01:04:37,588
- We're here at Bryant park,
2512
01:04:37,612 --> 01:04:38,612
fashion week,
2513
01:04:38,657 --> 01:04:39,745
where editors come and look
2514
01:04:39,832 --> 01:04:40,832
at the latest fashions
2515
01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:42,313
and styles,
2516
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,445
buyers see what they want,
2517
01:04:44,532 --> 01:04:45,664
and dudes like me come
2518
01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:46,752
to check out the models.
2519
01:04:46,839 --> 01:04:48,232
Come on in.
2520
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:50,408
Let's have a look.
2521
01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:58,982
- Oh, mama.
2522
01:04:59,069 --> 01:04:59,983
Who is that?
2523
01:05:00,070 --> 01:05:00,984
Excuse me.
2524
01:05:01,071 --> 01:05:01,985
Who was that?
2525
01:05:02,072 --> 01:05:03,595
- Kelly rowland
2526
01:05:03,682 --> 01:05:05,205
from destiny's child.
2527
01:05:05,292 --> 01:05:07,599
- How do you know that?
2528
01:05:07,686 --> 01:05:09,514
- Halston... he lived in the age
2529
01:05:09,601 --> 01:05:11,820
of really living.
2530
01:05:11,908 --> 01:05:13,344
Nowadays everybody worries
2531
01:05:13,431 --> 01:05:14,519
too much about being
2532
01:05:14,606 --> 01:05:15,806
commercially viable as opposed
2533
01:05:15,868 --> 01:05:17,826
to thinking differently.
2534
01:05:17,914 --> 01:05:18,827
- I'm looking for halston
2535
01:05:18,915 --> 01:05:19,828
these days.
2536
01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:20,916
- Are you?
2537
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:21,874
- Yeah.
2538
01:05:21,961 --> 01:05:22,961
I miss him.
2539
01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:24,224
- Halston has always been
2540
01:05:24,311 --> 01:05:26,009
a major inspiration to me.
2541
01:05:26,096 --> 01:05:27,358
Do you want me to take you
2542
01:05:27,445 --> 01:05:28,533
through some of the pieces?
2543
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:29,620
- That's okay.
2544
01:05:29,664 --> 01:05:30,709
- Okay, I don't mind.
2545
01:05:30,796 --> 01:05:31,623
- Did you ever get any halstons
2546
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:32,624
on "sex and the city"?
2547
01:05:32,711 --> 01:05:33,625
- I did, I did.
2548
01:05:33,712 --> 01:05:34,626
- Yeah?
2549
01:05:34,713 --> 01:05:35,627
- I put, uh, Sarah Jessica
2550
01:05:35,714 --> 01:05:37,020
in a halston
2551
01:05:37,107 --> 01:05:38,021
when she was going out
2552
01:05:38,108 --> 01:05:39,022
with the politician.
2553
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:40,501
- Oh, yeah?
2554
01:05:40,588 --> 01:05:41,502
- So we had a little play
2555
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:42,503
on Jackie o.
2556
01:05:42,590 --> 01:05:43,896
- All right.
2557
01:06:07,006 --> 01:06:08,965
- Hey, naeem, great show.
2558
01:06:09,052 --> 01:06:09,966
How are you?
2559
01:06:10,053 --> 01:06:10,967
- Good to see you.
2560
01:06:11,054 --> 01:06:11,968
- Good to see you.
2561
01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:13,578
- Good.
2562
01:06:13,665 --> 01:06:14,579
It's a dress, right?
2563
01:06:14,666 --> 01:06:15,666
This is a...
2564
01:06:16,755 --> 01:06:18,278
The way it all wraps around,
2565
01:06:18,365 --> 01:06:20,585
one halston would be proud of.
2566
01:06:20,672 --> 01:06:21,586
In the mood of halston,
2567
01:06:21,673 --> 01:06:22,587
we have to have a drink.
2568
01:06:22,674 --> 01:06:24,067
- Okay, absolutely.
2569
01:06:24,154 --> 01:06:25,372
It's so nice, thank you.
2570
01:06:25,459 --> 01:06:26,765
- We live in the halston way.
2571
01:06:26,852 --> 01:06:27,940
If you don't live it,
2572
01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:29,420
you don't feel it.
2573
01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:30,421
Well, cheers, guys,
2574
01:06:30,508 --> 01:06:31,422
good to have you here.
2575
01:06:31,509 --> 01:06:32,423
- Cheers, thank you.
2576
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:33,424
- Cheers.
2577
01:06:33,511 --> 01:06:34,425
- You're welcome.
2578
01:06:34,512 --> 01:06:35,426
- I'll second that.
2579
01:06:35,513 --> 01:06:36,514
- I think this is
2580
01:06:36,601 --> 01:06:37,819
my favorite interview so far.
2581
01:06:37,906 --> 01:06:39,038
- My father came here
2582
01:06:39,125 --> 01:06:41,084
to do business with halston.
2583
01:06:41,171 --> 01:06:42,694
My family in India
2584
01:06:42,781 --> 01:06:44,783
makes embroideries and beading.
2585
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:46,089
It's a 3-generation-old
2586
01:06:46,176 --> 01:06:47,090
business.
2587
01:06:47,177 --> 01:06:48,482
Halston said to me,
2588
01:06:48,569 --> 01:06:49,590
"why don't you work for me?"
2589
01:06:49,614 --> 01:06:50,615
- The best education.
2590
01:06:50,702 --> 01:06:52,095
- He said, "this is the best.
2591
01:06:52,182 --> 01:06:53,096
I'll teach you everything."
2592
01:06:53,183 --> 01:06:54,445
So I got on the plane,
2593
01:06:54,532 --> 01:06:55,532
and I came to America.
2594
01:06:55,576 --> 01:06:56,490
And I became
2595
01:06:56,577 --> 01:06:57,491
halston's assistant.
2596
01:06:57,578 --> 01:06:58,492
He's taught me
2597
01:06:58,579 --> 01:06:59,579
everything I know.
2598
01:06:59,624 --> 01:07:00,688
He used to tell me, "naeem,
2599
01:07:00,712 --> 01:07:01,974
the fabrics will teach you.
2600
01:07:02,061 --> 01:07:03,454
The fabric tells you
2601
01:07:03,541 --> 01:07:04,759
what it wants to do.
2602
01:07:04,846 --> 01:07:05,846
If you have a connection
2603
01:07:05,891 --> 01:07:07,110
with your fabrics,
2604
01:07:07,197 --> 01:07:08,807
you'll be the best designer.
2605
01:07:08,894 --> 01:07:10,014
You have to dream of things.
2606
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:12,419
It has to come in your dreams."
2607
01:07:12,506 --> 01:07:13,638
But I had some
2608
01:07:13,725 --> 01:07:15,466
amazing moments with halston.
2609
01:07:15,553 --> 01:07:16,554
I do want to tell you
2610
01:07:16,641 --> 01:07:17,555
when I first joined halston.
2611
01:07:17,642 --> 01:07:18,773
So the first month
2612
01:07:18,860 --> 01:07:20,036
that I'm here,
2613
01:07:20,123 --> 01:07:21,472
halston says to me,
2614
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:23,126
"I'm having a party at 54.
2615
01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,867
And I... do you have a tuxedo?"
2616
01:07:25,954 --> 01:07:27,739
I said, "what's a tuxedo?"
2617
01:07:27,826 --> 01:07:28,957
- Halston takes me
2618
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,350
straight to Elizabeth Taylor,
2619
01:07:30,437 --> 01:07:31,612
and he says, "this is naeem,
2620
01:07:31,699 --> 01:07:34,354
my new assistant from India."
2621
01:07:34,441 --> 01:07:35,529
And I had no idea
2622
01:07:35,616 --> 01:07:37,488
who Elizabeth Taylor was.
2623
01:07:37,575 --> 01:07:38,837
I think it was
2624
01:07:38,924 --> 01:07:40,534
a Valentine's day party.
2625
01:07:40,621 --> 01:07:41,927
All the girls who are serving
2626
01:07:42,014 --> 01:07:44,495
are totally stark naked.
2627
01:07:44,582 --> 01:07:45,844
The pubic hair is shaved
2628
01:07:45,931 --> 01:07:46,845
into a heart shape...
2629
01:07:46,932 --> 01:07:48,020
- Really?
2630
01:07:48,107 --> 01:07:49,021
- And it... and it's pink.
2631
01:07:49,108 --> 01:07:50,153
And I had never heard
2632
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,589
what long island iced tea was,
2633
01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:52,981
because I'm coming from India,
2634
01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:54,505
thinking tea.
2635
01:07:54,592 --> 01:07:56,159
So I had four of them.
2636
01:07:56,246 --> 01:07:57,856
And Steve Rubell had painted
2637
01:07:57,943 --> 01:07:59,031
the entire room
2638
01:07:59,118 --> 01:08:01,033
in electric blue.
2639
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,861
And all this paint has...
2640
01:08:02,948 --> 01:08:04,036
Is slowly getting stuck
2641
01:08:04,123 --> 01:08:05,037
to my jacket.
2642
01:08:05,124 --> 01:08:06,865
I'm electric blue now.
2643
01:08:06,952 --> 01:08:08,040
I take the train,
2644
01:08:08,127 --> 01:08:09,389
and I fall off to sleep
2645
01:08:09,476 --> 01:08:10,912
at 3:00 in the night.
2646
01:08:10,999 --> 01:08:12,088
In the morning I wake up
2647
01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:13,089
with my big afro,
2648
01:08:13,176 --> 01:08:14,090
my blue tuxedo,
2649
01:08:14,177 --> 01:08:15,217
and I see all these people
2650
01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:16,396
coming in suits,
2651
01:08:16,483 --> 01:08:17,483
and the conductor's
2652
01:08:17,528 --> 01:08:18,528
waking me up.
2653
01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:20,530
- I used to be so sick
2654
01:08:20,574 --> 01:08:21,574
in the morning
2655
01:08:21,619 --> 01:08:22,533
when I used to wake up
2656
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:23,925
from all the drinks
2657
01:08:24,012 --> 01:08:25,012
and everything else.
2658
01:08:25,057 --> 01:08:25,927
And then you're back at work
2659
01:08:26,014 --> 01:08:26,928
at 10:00 or 10:30.
2660
01:08:27,015 --> 01:08:27,929
And if you did not,
2661
01:08:28,016 --> 01:08:28,930
and halston was there
2662
01:08:29,017 --> 01:08:29,931
before you,
2663
01:08:30,018 --> 01:08:30,932
forget about it.
2664
01:08:31,019 --> 01:08:32,019
- But it's his fault
2665
01:08:32,064 --> 01:08:32,934
for making you feel that way
2666
01:08:33,021 --> 01:08:33,935
in the first place.
2667
01:08:34,022 --> 01:08:35,023
- No, but he was also...
2668
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,024
No, he'd say, "you were having
2669
01:08:36,112 --> 01:08:37,200
a good time with me.
2670
01:08:37,287 --> 01:08:39,898
Job comes when job has to be."
2671
01:08:39,985 --> 01:08:42,161
In short, party hard, live hard,
2672
01:08:42,248 --> 01:08:43,902
and have the best life,
2673
01:08:43,989 --> 01:08:45,425
because life is so short.
2674
01:08:45,512 --> 01:08:46,731
And halston lived it.
2675
01:08:46,818 --> 01:08:50,909
He really did.
2676
01:08:57,698 --> 01:08:58,612
- Ladies and gentlemen,
2677
01:08:58,699 --> 01:08:59,699
the president
2678
01:08:59,744 --> 01:09:00,658
of the United States
2679
01:09:00,745 --> 01:09:01,746
and Mrs. Reagan.
2680
01:09:06,620 --> 01:09:07,534
- In 1981,
2681
01:09:07,621 --> 01:09:08,709
with the inauguration
2682
01:09:08,796 --> 01:09:09,971
of Ronald Reagan
2683
01:09:10,058 --> 01:09:11,234
and Nancy Reagan
2684
01:09:11,321 --> 01:09:12,235
coming into the white house
2685
01:09:12,322 --> 01:09:13,584
as first lady,
2686
01:09:13,671 --> 01:09:14,671
designers whose clothes
2687
01:09:14,715 --> 01:09:16,108
were more opulent
2688
01:09:16,195 --> 01:09:17,240
came to the fore.
2689
01:09:17,327 --> 01:09:18,241
Rich people really wanted
2690
01:09:18,328 --> 01:09:22,462
to look rich.
2691
01:09:22,549 --> 01:09:23,637
Halston's kind of
2692
01:09:23,724 --> 01:09:24,943
more minimalist style
2693
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:27,119
fell out of fashion.
2694
01:09:27,206 --> 01:09:28,555
But I don't think
2695
01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:31,471
that was the real problem.
2696
01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:32,472
I really think it was the fact
2697
01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:33,473
that he'd be going
2698
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:34,474
to the bathroom ten times
2699
01:09:34,561 --> 01:09:35,475
in the middle
2700
01:09:35,562 --> 01:09:36,737
of a business meeting.
2701
01:09:36,824 --> 01:09:38,043
I think the personal problems
2702
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:39,958
were what really did him in.
2703
01:09:40,045 --> 01:09:41,065
- And when it comes to drugs
2704
01:09:41,089 --> 01:09:44,180
and alcohol, just say no.
2705
01:09:44,267 --> 01:09:45,572
- I mean, 'cause, like,
2706
01:09:45,659 --> 01:09:46,659
halston sustained
2707
01:09:46,704 --> 01:09:47,618
a lot of success
2708
01:09:47,705 --> 01:09:48,749
for a very long time,
2709
01:09:48,836 --> 01:09:49,620
burning the candle at both ends.
2710
01:09:49,707 --> 01:09:50,621
- Well, if you don't
2711
01:09:50,708 --> 01:09:51,839
overdo anything...
2712
01:09:51,926 --> 01:09:52,840
You know, moderation...
2713
01:09:52,927 --> 01:09:53,841
You can get by.
2714
01:09:53,928 --> 01:09:54,842
But I think it's gotta
2715
01:09:54,929 --> 01:09:55,930
affect you, because...
2716
01:09:56,017 --> 01:09:56,844
- Or drain you after a while.
2717
01:09:56,931 --> 01:09:57,845
- Yeah, I mean, I think
2718
01:09:57,932 --> 01:09:59,195
it really... it did.
2719
01:09:59,282 --> 01:10:00,346
I mean, I had to give it up,
2720
01:10:00,370 --> 01:10:02,154
'cause it was just too much.
2721
01:10:02,241 --> 01:10:03,503
- Yeah.
2722
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:05,244
- I think he probably
2723
01:10:05,331 --> 01:10:06,637
started having too much fun
2724
01:10:06,724 --> 01:10:07,638
in the evenings.
2725
01:10:07,725 --> 01:10:08,639
- Hmm.
2726
01:10:08,726 --> 01:10:10,031
- And then the mornings
2727
01:10:10,118 --> 01:10:11,990
became harder.
2728
01:10:12,077 --> 01:10:12,991
It was sort of unthinkable
2729
01:10:13,078 --> 01:10:14,122
in that person
2730
01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:15,907
that I'd first met.
2731
01:10:15,994 --> 01:10:16,994
That person...
2732
01:10:17,038 --> 01:10:18,170
He didn't have time
2733
01:10:18,257 --> 01:10:19,171
for all of that.
2734
01:10:19,258 --> 01:10:20,303
He was an artist...
2735
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:21,304
- Yeah.
2736
01:10:21,391 --> 01:10:22,305
- And I was shocked
2737
01:10:22,392 --> 01:10:23,306
when he succumbed
2738
01:10:23,393 --> 01:10:28,049
to the currency of fame.
2739
01:10:29,921 --> 01:10:30,835
- Just sit down
2740
01:10:30,922 --> 01:10:34,055
and work with me.
2741
01:10:37,972 --> 01:10:39,017
- Cassini once had
2742
01:10:39,104 --> 01:10:39,887
this great line about, you know,
2743
01:10:39,974 --> 01:10:40,974
"if your customers
2744
01:10:41,019 --> 01:10:42,107
come to you in a limousine,
2745
01:10:42,194 --> 01:10:43,108
you'll go home in a bus.
2746
01:10:43,195 --> 01:10:44,195
If your customers
2747
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,284
come to you in a bus,
2748
01:10:45,371 --> 01:10:46,242
you'll go home in a limousine."
2749
01:10:46,329 --> 01:10:47,721
The idea was j.C. Penney
2750
01:10:47,808 --> 01:10:49,984
was accessible fashion.
2751
01:10:50,071 --> 01:10:51,334
- I am pleased to announce
2752
01:10:51,421 --> 01:10:52,726
an association
2753
01:10:52,813 --> 01:10:54,337
between halston enterprises
2754
01:10:54,424 --> 01:10:55,947
and j.C. Penney.
2755
01:10:56,034 --> 01:10:57,209
- It was all launched
2756
01:10:57,296 --> 01:10:58,602
at the museum of natural history
2757
01:10:58,689 --> 01:10:59,820
in New York.
2758
01:10:59,907 --> 01:11:00,928
- The question's then asked,
2759
01:11:00,952 --> 01:11:03,084
and we ask again,
2760
01:11:03,171 --> 01:11:05,304
why halston and j.C. Penney?
2761
01:11:05,391 --> 01:11:06,392
- When I was a kid,
2762
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,046
I always shopped at penney's.
2763
01:11:08,133 --> 01:11:09,047
My mother always took me
2764
01:11:09,134 --> 01:11:10,048
to penney's
2765
01:11:10,135 --> 01:11:11,049
to buy all the clothes
2766
01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:12,050
that we wore to school
2767
01:11:12,137 --> 01:11:13,138
and everything else.
2768
01:11:13,225 --> 01:11:14,226
And it's true.
2769
01:11:14,313 --> 01:11:15,334
I come from des moines, Iowa.
2770
01:11:15,358 --> 01:11:17,577
- The one, the only halston.
2771
01:11:21,755 --> 01:11:22,669
- Thank you very much.
2772
01:11:22,756 --> 01:11:23,888
Thank you very much,
2773
01:11:23,975 --> 01:11:25,368
ladies and gentlemen.
2774
01:11:25,455 --> 01:11:26,804
This has been probably
2775
01:11:26,891 --> 01:11:28,153
the most challenging
2776
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,154
and gratifying
2777
01:11:29,241 --> 01:11:30,155
fashion exercise...
2778
01:11:30,242 --> 01:11:31,243
- Ordinarily,
2779
01:11:31,330 --> 01:11:32,244
halston creates clothes
2780
01:11:32,331 --> 01:11:33,811
that a lot of women like,
2781
01:11:33,898 --> 01:11:35,378
few can afford, however,
2782
01:11:35,465 --> 01:11:36,857
if you'll pardon the expression.
2783
01:11:36,944 --> 01:11:38,250
That is by design.
2784
01:11:38,337 --> 01:11:39,445
But now halston is coming out
2785
01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:40,861
with a line of apparel
2786
01:11:40,948 --> 01:11:42,341
that anybody could afford
2787
01:11:42,428 --> 01:11:44,909
at prices from $10 to $200.
2788
01:11:44,996 --> 01:11:45,910
Starting this summer,
2789
01:11:45,997 --> 01:11:46,911
clothes will be appearing
2790
01:11:46,998 --> 01:11:48,782
at 1,700 j.C. Penney
2791
01:11:48,869 --> 01:11:50,088
department stores
2792
01:11:50,175 --> 01:11:53,613
all across the country.
2793
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:54,740
Halston says his agreement
2794
01:11:54,788 --> 01:11:56,007
to turn out clothes for penney
2795
01:11:56,094 --> 01:11:58,183
will run for about six years.
2796
01:11:58,270 --> 01:11:59,402
Here it is...
2797
01:11:59,489 --> 01:12:00,838
A billion-dollar deal.
2798
01:12:00,925 --> 01:12:01,839
That's how you would
2799
01:12:01,926 --> 01:12:02,927
describe it, isn't it?
2800
01:12:03,014 --> 01:12:04,058
- Yes, bill,
2801
01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:05,253
it is a billion-dollar contract,
2802
01:12:05,277 --> 01:12:07,018
which is a lot of money
2803
01:12:07,105 --> 01:12:08,019
and a lot of work...
2804
01:12:08,106 --> 01:12:09,020
- Unbelievable.
2805
01:12:09,107 --> 01:12:10,108
- And a lot of jobs
2806
01:12:10,195 --> 01:12:11,109
for a lot of people.
2807
01:12:11,196 --> 01:12:12,110
- Halston III
2808
01:12:12,197 --> 01:12:13,197
exclusive designs...
2809
01:12:14,373 --> 01:12:15,373
- Now this is called
2810
01:12:15,418 --> 01:12:16,332
halston III.
2811
01:12:16,419 --> 01:12:17,333
- It's called halston III.
2812
01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:18,334
- Why?
2813
01:12:18,421 --> 01:12:19,726
- Well, it's really
2814
01:12:19,813 --> 01:12:21,075
the third stage of my career,
2815
01:12:21,162 --> 01:12:22,294
the first being
2816
01:12:22,381 --> 01:12:23,643
in the millinery business,
2817
01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:24,905
and then in fancy clothes
2818
01:12:24,992 --> 01:12:25,906
and dressing all the stars
2819
01:12:25,993 --> 01:12:26,993
and things,
2820
01:12:27,038 --> 01:12:27,952
and now a larger public...
2821
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:29,954
Dressing America, really.
2822
01:12:30,041 --> 01:12:31,259
- Do you think this is a risk
2823
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:32,260
to your reputation
2824
01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:33,349
or career?
2825
01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:34,350
- Oh, I think
2826
01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:35,351
it can only enhance it.
2827
01:12:35,438 --> 01:12:36,352
- Mm-hmm.
2828
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,439
- It's a larger public.
2829
01:12:37,483 --> 01:12:38,547
It's much more interesting.
2830
01:12:38,571 --> 01:12:39,442
I've always wanted to embrace
2831
01:12:39,529 --> 01:12:40,660
that American public.
2832
01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:43,141
And you know, I believe in them.
2833
01:12:43,228 --> 01:12:44,336
It... it's a wonderful thing.
2834
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:45,970
It's always what I wanted to do.
2835
01:12:46,057 --> 01:12:47,450
- 1,700 stores...
2836
01:12:47,537 --> 01:12:49,190
- With the best people ever.
2837
01:12:49,277 --> 01:12:50,191
- The biggest thing, I'm sure,
2838
01:12:50,278 --> 01:12:51,367
you've ever done.
2839
01:12:51,454 --> 01:12:52,672
- Oh, for sure.
2840
01:12:52,759 --> 01:12:53,759
- Hi, can I help you?
2841
01:12:53,804 --> 01:12:54,674
Are you interested in buying
2842
01:12:54,761 --> 01:12:55,761
a halston dress?
2843
01:12:55,806 --> 01:12:56,676
- Are these the same clothes
2844
01:12:56,763 --> 01:12:58,286
that, um, Elizabeth Taylor
2845
01:12:58,374 --> 01:12:59,374
and the celebrities wear?
2846
01:12:59,418 --> 01:13:00,498
- Yes, these are some of...
2847
01:13:01,507 --> 01:13:02,334
- The same type of clothes...
2848
01:13:02,421 --> 01:13:03,466
- I don't see
2849
01:13:03,553 --> 01:13:05,990
where the shoulders are.
2850
01:13:06,077 --> 01:13:07,165
And look at the back.
2851
01:13:07,252 --> 01:13:08,166
- Yeah, well...
2852
01:13:08,253 --> 01:13:09,167
- It's called
2853
01:13:09,254 --> 01:13:10,254
investment dressing.
2854
01:13:10,298 --> 01:13:13,084
- This one is $55.
2855
01:13:13,171 --> 01:13:14,433
- It didn't sell.
2856
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,739
Not only did it not sell,
2857
01:13:15,826 --> 01:13:17,958
but it was discontinued.
2858
01:13:18,045 --> 01:13:19,090
At the same time,
2859
01:13:19,177 --> 01:13:20,483
Bergdorf Goodman wanted to send
2860
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:22,702
a signal to the design community
2861
01:13:22,789 --> 01:13:23,877
that if you're gonna sell
2862
01:13:23,964 --> 01:13:25,183
a mass retailer,
2863
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:26,750
you... you're not gonna be able
2864
01:13:26,837 --> 01:13:27,838
to sell Bergdorf Goodman.
2865
01:13:27,925 --> 01:13:29,100
So Bergdorf Goodman
2866
01:13:29,187 --> 01:13:30,101
tossed the line out.
2867
01:13:30,188 --> 01:13:31,232
- Didn't you run
2868
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:32,427
into some trouble with Bergdorf,
2869
01:13:32,451 --> 01:13:33,844
who was the first fashion...
2870
01:13:33,931 --> 01:13:34,845
- Oh, not at all.
2871
01:13:34,932 --> 01:13:36,020
No, I don't think so.
2872
01:13:36,107 --> 01:13:37,238
You know, Bergdorf...
2873
01:13:37,325 --> 01:13:38,501
You know, I wish them well.
2874
01:13:38,588 --> 01:13:40,503
I started my career at Bergdorf
2875
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:41,895
and helped make Bergdorf famous.
2876
01:13:41,982 --> 01:13:43,114
But Bergdorf
2877
01:13:43,201 --> 01:13:44,115
is a rather small account
2878
01:13:44,202 --> 01:13:46,726
compared to all America.
2879
01:13:46,813 --> 01:13:47,727
- It was scandalous.
2880
01:13:47,814 --> 01:13:48,859
People were shocked.
2881
01:13:48,946 --> 01:13:49,947
It was like...
2882
01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:51,035
It was as if you heard
2883
01:13:51,122 --> 01:13:52,515
Rolls-Royce was going to do
2884
01:13:52,602 --> 01:13:54,517
supermarket carriages.
2885
01:13:54,604 --> 01:13:55,518
I mean, it...
2886
01:13:55,605 --> 01:13:56,519
The idea of a name...
2887
01:13:56,606 --> 01:13:57,607
- Oh, yeah.
2888
01:13:57,694 --> 01:13:58,521
- That stood for such quality
2889
01:13:58,608 --> 01:13:59,913
and glamour...
2890
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,915
That it would go so down-market
2891
01:14:02,002 --> 01:14:05,397
was alarming.
2892
01:14:05,484 --> 01:14:06,505
- And this is your first trip
2893
01:14:06,529 --> 01:14:07,878
to New York City?
2894
01:14:07,965 --> 01:14:08,966
- Yes, it is.
2895
01:14:09,053 --> 01:14:10,117
- Are you having a good time?
2896
01:14:10,141 --> 01:14:11,403
- Oh, I'm really enjoying it.
2897
01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:12,535
- We made some suggestions
2898
01:14:12,622 --> 01:14:13,884
for you here.
2899
01:14:13,971 --> 01:14:14,972
This coat is the cover
2900
01:14:15,059 --> 01:14:16,756
of the j.C. Penney's catalog.
2901
01:14:16,843 --> 01:14:18,236
This is $120,
2902
01:14:18,323 --> 01:14:19,237
and I don't know
2903
01:14:19,324 --> 01:14:20,456
how in the world
2904
01:14:20,543 --> 01:14:21,457
they make it for that price.
2905
01:14:21,544 --> 01:14:22,544
And this is velvet
2906
01:14:22,588 --> 01:14:24,155
with some ostrich feathers.
2907
01:14:24,242 --> 01:14:26,070
I love using a schoolteacher.
2908
01:14:26,157 --> 01:14:27,332
I just love it.
2909
01:14:27,419 --> 01:14:28,333
- He was considered tainted
2910
01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:29,552
after that.
2911
01:14:29,639 --> 01:14:30,683
- Yeah, I think so.
2912
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:32,010
- It was such a different time.
2913
01:14:35,166 --> 01:14:36,297
- Diane Von furstenberg
2914
01:14:36,384 --> 01:14:37,384
is a survivor of halston.
2915
01:14:37,429 --> 01:14:38,429
In a way,
2916
01:14:38,474 --> 01:14:39,581
her wrap dress was very much
2917
01:14:39,605 --> 01:14:41,085
like a halston pattern.
2918
01:14:41,172 --> 01:14:42,303
- Hmm.
2919
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:43,304
- You know, just a simple
2920
01:14:43,391 --> 01:14:44,305
origami pattern...
2921
01:14:44,392 --> 01:14:45,437
- Mm-hmm.
2922
01:14:45,524 --> 01:14:46,438
- Flattered the body.
2923
01:14:46,525 --> 01:14:48,048
- I was young in the '70s.
2924
01:14:48,135 --> 01:14:49,528
I was very young.
2925
01:14:49,615 --> 01:14:50,615
I came to America.
2926
01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:52,575
I was 22.
2927
01:14:52,662 --> 01:14:54,272
I married a prince.
2928
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:55,839
I had two children.
2929
01:14:55,926 --> 01:14:56,946
And I started a business...
2930
01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:58,842
Everything in the same year.
2931
01:14:58,929 --> 01:14:59,993
I always said that, you know,
2932
01:15:00,017 --> 01:15:01,017
I'm a jet-setter,
2933
01:15:01,061 --> 01:15:03,150
because I took it on a jet.
2934
01:15:03,237 --> 01:15:04,151
Halston created
2935
01:15:04,238 --> 01:15:06,240
such a liberated fashion.
2936
01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:08,895
That is really what inspired me
2937
01:15:08,982 --> 01:15:10,549
to go myself into fashion,
2938
01:15:10,636 --> 01:15:12,159
because it was all about jerseys
2939
01:15:12,246 --> 01:15:14,466
and colors and fluidity.
2940
01:15:14,553 --> 01:15:16,033
And it was a very modern
2941
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,121
approach to fashion.
2942
01:15:17,208 --> 01:15:18,862
It wasn't old-fashioned
2943
01:15:18,949 --> 01:15:20,298
dress-making.
2944
01:15:20,385 --> 01:15:21,995
I was very young.
2945
01:15:22,082 --> 01:15:23,190
The whole world of licensing
2946
01:15:23,214 --> 01:15:24,302
was very new.
2947
01:15:24,389 --> 01:15:25,564
Sometimes you made mistakes,
2948
01:15:25,651 --> 01:15:27,044
because you associated
2949
01:15:27,131 --> 01:15:28,131
with the wrong people
2950
01:15:28,175 --> 01:15:29,481
at the wrong time.
2951
01:15:29,568 --> 01:15:30,568
Uh, for him,
2952
01:15:30,613 --> 01:15:31,527
it was he associated
2953
01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:33,311
with j.C. Penney.
2954
01:15:33,398 --> 01:15:34,312
- Do you think if someone
2955
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:35,400
was to align themselves
2956
01:15:35,487 --> 01:15:36,401
with j.C. Penney today,
2957
01:15:36,488 --> 01:15:37,968
would that be the same...
2958
01:15:38,055 --> 01:15:39,317
Same reaction?
2959
01:15:39,404 --> 01:15:40,623
- Somebody... you can do it,
2960
01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:41,928
but it's difficult,
2961
01:15:42,015 --> 01:15:44,191
and no one really has succeeded.
2962
01:15:44,278 --> 01:15:45,932
I myself... I mean, you know,
2963
01:15:46,019 --> 01:15:47,412
you do make mistakes.
2964
01:15:47,499 --> 01:15:48,619
But halston's was, you know,
2965
01:15:48,674 --> 01:15:50,502
a combination of... of...
2966
01:15:50,589 --> 01:15:51,503
I don't know.
2967
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:52,852
He lost his heart into it,
2968
01:15:52,939 --> 01:15:54,071
I guess.
2969
01:15:54,158 --> 01:15:55,638
- Why is that?
2970
01:15:55,725 --> 01:15:56,856
- I don't know.
2971
01:15:56,943 --> 01:15:57,944
It's a lot of, you know,
2972
01:15:58,031 --> 01:15:59,946
'70s phenomenon.
2973
01:16:00,033 --> 01:16:01,033
- Yeah.
2974
01:16:01,078 --> 01:16:04,560
- Abuse.
2975
01:16:04,647 --> 01:16:06,039
- Oh, there's Liza down there
2976
01:16:06,126 --> 01:16:07,040
kissing Andy warhol.
2977
01:16:07,127 --> 01:16:08,041
- Oh, okay.
2978
01:16:08,128 --> 01:16:09,042
- These are these cool
2979
01:16:09,129 --> 01:16:10,043
surfboards that I did,
2980
01:16:10,130 --> 01:16:11,044
one-of-a-kind surfboards.
2981
01:16:11,131 --> 01:16:12,480
That's Salvador dalí.
2982
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:14,221
For one of warhol's birthdays
2983
01:16:14,308 --> 01:16:16,049
he wrapped up lots of garbage
2984
01:16:16,136 --> 01:16:17,181
in gaffer's tape
2985
01:16:17,268 --> 01:16:18,462
and then just signed it "dalí."
2986
01:16:18,486 --> 01:16:19,575
Check it out.
2987
01:16:19,662 --> 01:16:21,228
Warhol and I wanted to do
2988
01:16:21,315 --> 01:16:22,403
a collaboration.
2989
01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:23,883
- Is that wig...
2990
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:25,232
- That wig.
2991
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:26,407
Check it out. There you go.
2992
01:16:26,494 --> 01:16:27,583
Talk about history.
2993
01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:29,062
Oh, this here...
2994
01:16:29,149 --> 01:16:30,586
This is a Billy boy doll.
2995
01:16:30,673 --> 01:16:32,413
They somehow think that this is
2996
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:34,546
anatomically correct.
2997
01:16:34,633 --> 01:16:35,895
- How close were you to warhol?
2998
01:16:35,982 --> 01:16:36,896
- Well, we weren't
2999
01:16:36,983 --> 01:16:37,897
fuck buddies.
3000
01:16:37,984 --> 01:16:38,898
- I'm not asking that,
3001
01:16:38,985 --> 01:16:39,986
for fuck's sake.
3002
01:16:40,073 --> 01:16:40,900
- Well, that's a good answer,
3003
01:16:40,987 --> 01:16:41,901
though, isn't it?
3004
01:16:41,988 --> 01:16:42,902
I could just sit here
3005
01:16:42,989 --> 01:16:43,903
and be warhol-esque
3006
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:44,904
and just say yes and no.
3007
01:16:44,991 --> 01:16:45,905
- Yes. No.
3008
01:16:45,992 --> 01:16:47,037
- Maybe.
3009
01:16:47,124 --> 01:16:48,144
- I mean, he was a pretty tough
3010
01:16:48,168 --> 01:16:49,169
interview, wasn't he?
3011
01:16:49,256 --> 01:16:50,320
I mean, he'd just kind of make
3012
01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:51,258
people thoroughly uncomfortable.
3013
01:16:51,345 --> 01:16:52,345
- Yes.
3014
01:16:54,348 --> 01:16:55,262
- Hello?
3015
01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:56,437
Oh, my god. How you doing?
3016
01:16:56,524 --> 01:16:58,614
So...
3017
01:16:58,701 --> 01:17:00,920
My publisher's having brunch
3018
01:17:01,007 --> 01:17:02,922
with somebody from I.C.M.
3019
01:17:03,009 --> 01:17:04,445
Do you have a-a story
3020
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:05,621
about halston?
3021
01:17:05,708 --> 01:17:06,926
Oh, that's very good.
3022
01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:08,164
Oh, that's a very good story.
3023
01:17:08,188 --> 01:17:09,102
This is the story.
3024
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:10,103
Every time it would be
3025
01:17:10,190 --> 01:17:11,104
Andy warhol's birthday,
3026
01:17:11,191 --> 01:17:12,279
halston would say,
3027
01:17:12,366 --> 01:17:13,517
"it's time for Andy's birthday.
3028
01:17:13,541 --> 01:17:14,934
Let's just go up there
3029
01:17:15,021 --> 01:17:16,457
and give him lots of money,
3030
01:17:16,544 --> 01:17:17,589
crush it up,
3031
01:17:17,676 --> 01:17:19,286
and throw it into the fireplace
3032
01:17:19,373 --> 01:17:21,288
and watch Andy burn his fingers
3033
01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:22,463
trying to get it."
3034
01:17:23,551 --> 01:17:24,640
I have a huge question.
3035
01:17:24,727 --> 01:17:26,293
Was 54 overrated?
3036
01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:27,468
I mean, how great was it?
3037
01:17:27,555 --> 01:17:28,644
- I... it was pretty cool.
3038
01:17:28,731 --> 01:17:29,645
I liked it.
3039
01:17:29,732 --> 01:17:30,646
- Mm-hmm.
3040
01:17:30,733 --> 01:17:31,647
- I-I liked it a lot.
3041
01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:32,648
- Miss it?
3042
01:17:32,735 --> 01:17:33,735
- Not at all.
3043
01:17:33,779 --> 01:17:35,302
It was usually older people
3044
01:17:35,389 --> 01:17:37,130
looking at younger people,
3045
01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:38,305
hoping to get laid...
3046
01:17:39,567 --> 01:17:40,656
- Or it was younger people
3047
01:17:40,743 --> 01:17:42,483
looking to further their career
3048
01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:43,484
with the older people...
3049
01:17:43,571 --> 01:17:44,485
- Okay.
3050
01:17:44,572 --> 01:17:45,573
- And hoping that
3051
01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:46,725
you wouldn't have to get laid.
3052
01:17:46,749 --> 01:17:47,663
I mean, everybody
3053
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:48,750
was working everybody.
3054
01:17:50,056 --> 01:17:52,319
- Uh, hello?
3055
01:17:52,406 --> 01:17:54,670
Hi. I did see that,
3056
01:17:54,757 --> 01:17:55,671
and I have a good...
3057
01:17:55,758 --> 01:17:56,672
I'm so glad, Peter,
3058
01:17:56,759 --> 01:17:57,673
that you called.
3059
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:58,978
Well, actually this person
3060
01:17:59,065 --> 01:18:00,327
used to supply all the orchids
3061
01:18:00,414 --> 01:18:01,502
to halston.
3062
01:18:01,589 --> 01:18:02,503
I mean, any kind
3063
01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:03,983
of story, Peter.
3064
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:05,332
- Halston took it
3065
01:18:05,419 --> 01:18:06,682
to an extreme.
3066
01:18:06,769 --> 01:18:07,987
You know, at any one time
3067
01:18:08,074 --> 01:18:08,988
he would probably have
3068
01:18:09,075 --> 01:18:11,338
between 60 and 80 plants.
3069
01:18:13,427 --> 01:18:15,168
- I... well, no more so
3070
01:18:15,255 --> 01:18:16,375
than other part of his life.
3071
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:19,346
- It is an elaborate party
3072
01:18:19,433 --> 01:18:20,347
by any measure
3073
01:18:20,434 --> 01:18:21,348
of the imagination.
3074
01:18:21,435 --> 01:18:22,349
As halston led me
3075
01:18:22,436 --> 01:18:23,350
through his office,
3076
01:18:23,437 --> 01:18:24,525
I was awed by the scope
3077
01:18:24,612 --> 01:18:25,701
of his sense of what
3078
01:18:25,788 --> 01:18:27,354
entertainment is all about...
3079
01:18:27,441 --> 01:18:29,008
Waiters standing by,
3080
01:18:29,095 --> 01:18:30,357
top-shelf liquor.
3081
01:18:30,444 --> 01:18:31,532
The first question I asked,
3082
01:18:31,619 --> 01:18:33,534
how much this simple home party
3083
01:18:33,621 --> 01:18:35,014
was going to cost.
3084
01:18:35,101 --> 01:18:36,015
- The business manager
3085
01:18:36,102 --> 01:18:37,016
from Beatrice
3086
01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:38,191
pulled me aside one day
3087
01:18:38,278 --> 01:18:39,192
when I was delivering flowers
3088
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:40,193
to...
3089
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:41,194
He said, "did you know
3090
01:18:41,281 --> 01:18:42,195
that halston is spending
3091
01:18:42,282 --> 01:18:43,370
$60,000 to $100,000 a year
3092
01:18:43,457 --> 01:18:44,720
just on flowers?"
3093
01:18:44,807 --> 01:18:46,547
And I said, "oh, really?"
3094
01:18:46,634 --> 01:18:47,723
- I mean, I-I do remember
3095
01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:50,203
some of these sort of sad irony
3096
01:18:50,290 --> 01:18:51,204
about how halston
3097
01:18:51,291 --> 01:18:52,205
had branded himself
3098
01:18:52,292 --> 01:18:53,729
as one of the chicest,
3099
01:18:53,816 --> 01:18:55,208
coolest designers,
3100
01:18:55,295 --> 01:18:56,557
and he sold himself
3101
01:18:56,644 --> 01:18:57,558
to a big company.
3102
01:18:57,645 --> 01:18:58,734
- Yeah, Norton Simon
3103
01:18:58,821 --> 01:19:00,039
bought him.
3104
01:19:00,126 --> 01:19:01,171
- Right.
3105
01:19:01,258 --> 01:19:02,278
And then the company that makes
3106
01:19:02,302 --> 01:19:03,216
playtex living bras bought it.
3107
01:19:03,303 --> 01:19:04,217
And then what happened,
3108
01:19:04,304 --> 01:19:05,218
Beatrice foods,
3109
01:19:05,305 --> 01:19:06,393
which makes mayonnaise,
3110
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:11,224
bought that company.
3111
01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:12,399
- It's very painful
3112
01:19:12,486 --> 01:19:13,400
to talk about.
3113
01:19:13,487 --> 01:19:14,750
I-I sold the licensing
3114
01:19:14,837 --> 01:19:15,751
of the name
3115
01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:16,752
to a large corporation,
3116
01:19:16,839 --> 01:19:17,753
and it snowballed
3117
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:18,754
out of control.
3118
01:19:18,841 --> 01:19:19,755
- Oh, heavens.
3119
01:19:19,842 --> 01:19:20,843
- The name halston is
3120
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:22,409
actually owned by j.C. Penney,
3121
01:19:22,496 --> 01:19:24,411
revlon, Beatrice.
3122
01:19:24,498 --> 01:19:25,586
- Yeah, you know...
3123
01:19:27,153 --> 01:19:28,067
- What kind of a gal
3124
01:19:28,154 --> 01:19:29,068
is Beatrice?
3125
01:19:29,155 --> 01:19:30,417
I always think of her
3126
01:19:30,504 --> 01:19:31,592
as a heavy-set woman.
3127
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:33,246
- As I was trying to say...
3128
01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:35,074
- Here's a man that was so used
3129
01:19:35,161 --> 01:19:36,249
to having, you know,
3130
01:19:36,336 --> 01:19:37,598
thousands of dollars worth
3131
01:19:37,685 --> 01:19:39,252
of orchids in his...
3132
01:19:39,339 --> 01:19:40,776
And now suddenly you have
3133
01:19:40,863 --> 01:19:41,777
a mayonnaise company
3134
01:19:41,864 --> 01:19:43,256
who... who is giving you
3135
01:19:43,343 --> 01:19:44,257
the instructions.
3136
01:19:44,344 --> 01:19:45,432
"We got to cut the budget,
3137
01:19:45,519 --> 01:19:46,519
no more orchids."
3138
01:19:47,695 --> 01:19:48,609
- Do you think his spirit
3139
01:19:48,696 --> 01:19:49,610
was crushed?
3140
01:19:49,697 --> 01:19:50,611
- Yes. Happy holidays. Hi.
3141
01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:52,439
- Bianca, Liza, bacall...
3142
01:19:52,526 --> 01:19:53,614
They adored me.
3143
01:19:53,701 --> 01:19:54,853
Studio 54 was my living room.
3144
01:19:54,877 --> 01:19:56,157
I gave the most fabulous parties
3145
01:19:56,182 --> 01:19:57,096
in New York.
3146
01:19:57,183 --> 01:19:58,097
Well, you can ask anyone,
3147
01:19:58,184 --> 01:19:59,098
of course...
3148
01:19:59,185 --> 01:20:00,099
- Well, now your name
3149
01:20:00,186 --> 01:20:01,187
is tacked on
3150
01:20:01,274 --> 01:20:02,101
cheap luggage and pencil sets.
3151
01:20:02,188 --> 01:20:03,102
As a matter of fact,
3152
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:04,277
I was shocked to see
3153
01:20:04,364 --> 01:20:05,452
halston aquarium gravel
3154
01:20:05,539 --> 01:20:06,627
at walgreens.
3155
01:20:08,673 --> 01:20:09,805
- You know, the man who...
3156
01:20:09,892 --> 01:20:11,807
Who... who was... um, Mr. Epstein.
3157
01:20:11,894 --> 01:20:13,112
- Carl Epstein.
3158
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,113
- Carl Epstein.
3159
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:15,288
- Wait, so Carl,
3160
01:20:15,375 --> 01:20:16,289
but he was kind of
3161
01:20:16,376 --> 01:20:17,421
this accountant type,
3162
01:20:17,508 --> 01:20:18,528
I understand, a number cruncher.
3163
01:20:18,552 --> 01:20:19,640
- A number cruncher.
3164
01:20:19,727 --> 01:20:20,879
And they just didn't get along,
3165
01:20:20,903 --> 01:20:22,469
and he did not like the ways
3166
01:20:22,556 --> 01:20:23,470
halston worked...
3167
01:20:23,557 --> 01:20:25,472
Parties, wild life,
3168
01:20:25,559 --> 01:20:26,822
and all that stuff.
3169
01:20:26,909 --> 01:20:28,475
- The rumors of the... of
3170
01:20:28,562 --> 01:20:29,825
the drug-taking were everywhere
3171
01:20:29,912 --> 01:20:32,131
and very big mood swings.
3172
01:20:32,218 --> 01:20:33,306
And he had a bad temper.
3173
01:20:33,393 --> 01:20:34,307
You know, if he didn't
3174
01:20:34,394 --> 01:20:35,482
like something, you know,
3175
01:20:35,569 --> 01:20:36,657
on go the glasses
3176
01:20:36,744 --> 01:20:37,658
with the mirrors,
3177
01:20:37,745 --> 01:20:38,834
so, of course, you have...
3178
01:20:38,921 --> 01:20:40,139
You can't see his eyes.
3179
01:20:40,226 --> 01:20:42,663
You're watching yourself.
3180
01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:44,665
- The last time I saw him
3181
01:20:44,752 --> 01:20:46,667
I was just about to go back
3182
01:20:46,754 --> 01:20:48,321
to Europe to live.
3183
01:20:48,408 --> 01:20:50,846
I was feeling very bad,
3184
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:52,673
because a lot of my friends
3185
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:53,849
had passed away,
3186
01:20:53,936 --> 01:20:58,157
um, you know, from aids,
3187
01:20:58,244 --> 01:20:59,332
and I was upset
3188
01:20:59,419 --> 01:21:00,507
with Victor Hugo,
3189
01:21:00,594 --> 01:21:01,508
because I knew
3190
01:21:01,595 --> 01:21:02,683
he was running around
3191
01:21:02,770 --> 01:21:04,163
with all these different men,
3192
01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:08,167
and I was very afraid
3193
01:21:08,254 --> 01:21:10,691
for my friend halston.
3194
01:21:10,778 --> 01:21:11,867
He was more interested
3195
01:21:11,954 --> 01:21:13,172
in what he was putting
3196
01:21:13,259 --> 01:21:14,870
into his body, I suppose,
3197
01:21:14,957 --> 01:21:16,697
than what he was doing,
3198
01:21:16,784 --> 01:21:18,525
and this was the influence
3199
01:21:18,612 --> 01:21:20,310
of Victor Hugo.
3200
01:21:20,397 --> 01:21:23,313
He took him down.
3201
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,880
We were doing a shooting
3202
01:21:24,967 --> 01:21:26,359
with Horace that day,
3203
01:21:26,446 --> 01:21:28,535
and I was his only model.
3204
01:21:28,622 --> 01:21:30,537
And I said to him point blank,
3205
01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:32,191
I said, "halston,
3206
01:21:32,278 --> 01:21:33,714
you have to get out of here."
3207
01:21:33,801 --> 01:21:34,909
I said, "it's time to leave."
3208
01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:35,847
- You told him to leave
3209
01:21:35,934 --> 01:21:36,979
the olympic tower.
3210
01:21:37,066 --> 01:21:38,371
- "Leave," I said.
3211
01:21:38,458 --> 01:21:39,546
"It's time to leave.
3212
01:21:39,633 --> 01:21:41,374
I'm leaving.
3213
01:21:41,461 --> 01:21:43,724
And if I leave, I have dreams,
3214
01:21:43,811 --> 01:21:44,725
and I'm going to live
3215
01:21:44,812 --> 01:21:45,901
a beautiful life.
3216
01:21:45,988 --> 01:21:47,206
I'm going to get a boat
3217
01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:48,555
in the mediterranean.
3218
01:21:48,642 --> 01:21:49,905
Do you want to come?
3219
01:21:49,992 --> 01:21:53,212
Do you want to leave?"
3220
01:21:53,299 --> 01:21:56,563
It was a very spooky moment.
3221
01:21:56,650 --> 01:21:57,913
I felt like things
3222
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,566
were going like this.
3223
01:21:59,653 --> 01:22:00,567
Good-bye.
3224
01:22:00,654 --> 01:22:01,655
I felt like
3225
01:22:01,742 --> 01:22:05,311
I was saying good-bye to him.
3226
01:22:11,317 --> 01:22:12,579
- Mr. Epstein, Carl Epstein,
3227
01:22:12,666 --> 01:22:13,580
he reported
3228
01:22:13,667 --> 01:22:14,581
to the big companies.
3229
01:22:14,668 --> 01:22:15,582
They said, "you have
3230
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:16,757
to let halston go."
3231
01:22:16,844 --> 01:22:17,933
- What was the final straw?
3232
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:19,760
What... what happened?
3233
01:22:19,847 --> 01:22:20,936
- I think they decided
3234
01:22:21,023 --> 01:22:22,241
to pay him to stay home.
3235
01:22:22,328 --> 01:22:23,590
- And that was the demise
3236
01:22:23,677 --> 01:22:24,677
of halston.
3237
01:22:24,722 --> 01:22:25,941
I mean, they were such fools
3238
01:22:26,028 --> 01:22:27,420
to... to have done that.
3239
01:22:27,507 --> 01:22:29,422
It was one man's war
3240
01:22:29,509 --> 01:22:32,860
against halston.
3241
01:22:39,519 --> 01:22:40,607
- He couldn't get
3242
01:22:40,694 --> 01:22:41,608
the business back.
3243
01:22:41,695 --> 01:22:42,609
I mean, the business
3244
01:22:42,696 --> 01:22:43,610
was gone forever.
3245
01:22:43,697 --> 01:22:44,611
- So he could never use
3246
01:22:44,698 --> 01:22:45,612
the name halston again,
3247
01:22:45,699 --> 01:22:46,613
is that correct?
3248
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:47,614
- No.
3249
01:22:47,701 --> 01:22:48,615
He once made a joke.
3250
01:22:48,702 --> 01:22:49,616
He said, "I don't care.
3251
01:22:49,703 --> 01:22:50,617
I'm gonna go out
3252
01:22:50,704 --> 01:22:51,749
and do my own line.
3253
01:22:51,836 --> 01:22:52,856
I'm gonna call it 'guess who.'"
3254
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:53,794
which I thought
3255
01:22:53,881 --> 01:22:54,970
was such a riot, you know.
3256
01:22:55,057 --> 01:22:55,971
- When whoever
3257
01:22:56,058 --> 01:22:57,059
took over halston,
3258
01:22:57,146 --> 01:22:58,060
they called up all these girls
3259
01:22:58,147 --> 01:22:59,061
that halston
3260
01:22:59,148 --> 01:23:00,192
had given clothes to
3261
01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:01,517
and asked for the clothes back.
3262
01:23:01,541 --> 01:23:02,562
- Then they came actually...
3263
01:23:02,586 --> 01:23:03,650
- And they actually came to
3264
01:23:03,674 --> 01:23:04,825
the door with a security team.
3265
01:23:04,849 --> 01:23:05,869
- And take out all the clothes
3266
01:23:05,893 --> 01:23:06,807
that were in her apartment.
3267
01:23:06,894 --> 01:23:07,983
- That's awful.
3268
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:08,984
- The company kept being sold,
3269
01:23:09,071 --> 01:23:09,985
and it finally ended up
3270
01:23:10,072 --> 01:23:11,072
in revlon's hands,
3271
01:23:11,116 --> 01:23:11,987
in Ronald perelman's hands.
3272
01:23:12,074 --> 01:23:13,292
And Ronald agreed to try
3273
01:23:13,379 --> 01:23:14,815
and revive the line again.
3274
01:23:14,902 --> 01:23:15,816
- I think a deal
3275
01:23:15,903 --> 01:23:16,817
was about to go down
3276
01:23:16,904 --> 01:23:17,904
with revlon and perelman,
3277
01:23:17,949 --> 01:23:19,057
but then something happened,
3278
01:23:19,081 --> 01:23:20,299
and no one knows why.
3279
01:23:20,386 --> 01:23:21,648
- Perelman was put off
3280
01:23:21,735 --> 01:23:22,649
by halston.
3281
01:23:22,736 --> 01:23:23,824
Halston was making
3282
01:23:23,911 --> 01:23:24,825
incredible demands.
3283
01:23:24,912 --> 01:23:25,826
Like, he wanted
3284
01:23:25,913 --> 01:23:26,827
his own private plane.
3285
01:23:26,914 --> 01:23:29,482
He wanted $250,000 a year
3286
01:23:29,569 --> 01:23:30,657
for orchids,
3287
01:23:30,744 --> 01:23:32,659
um, 'cause, I mean,
3288
01:23:32,746 --> 01:23:34,357
he just... he lost it.
3289
01:23:34,444 --> 01:23:35,488
- I didn't see halston
3290
01:23:35,575 --> 01:23:36,489
in a while,
3291
01:23:36,576 --> 01:23:37,490
'cause, you know,
3292
01:23:37,577 --> 01:23:38,491
studio was closed.
3293
01:23:38,578 --> 01:23:39,578
He wasn't going out.
3294
01:23:39,623 --> 01:23:40,730
- Why did he stop going out?
3295
01:23:40,754 --> 01:23:41,799
- I don't know.
3296
01:23:41,886 --> 01:23:42,906
That's what I really don't know.
3297
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:44,082
- He and Victor had split up,
3298
01:23:44,106 --> 01:23:45,020
got back together, split up
3299
01:23:45,107 --> 01:23:46,021
a hundred times.
3300
01:23:46,108 --> 01:23:47,022
- Did he get disillusioned
3301
01:23:47,109 --> 01:23:48,110
with the whole scene?
3302
01:23:48,197 --> 01:23:49,024
- I don't know what happened.
3303
01:23:49,111 --> 01:23:50,025
The business, maybe.
3304
01:23:50,112 --> 01:23:51,504
- Things going on.
3305
01:23:51,591 --> 01:23:52,505
- Richard, he was doing
3306
01:23:52,592 --> 01:23:53,506
a lot of drugs.
3307
01:23:53,593 --> 01:23:54,507
- A lot of drugs, yeah.
3308
01:23:54,594 --> 01:23:55,508
- Maybe he was sick.
3309
01:23:55,595 --> 01:23:56,509
I don't know.
3310
01:23:56,596 --> 01:23:57,510
- Yeah.
3311
01:23:57,597 --> 01:23:58,642
- And halston always said
3312
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:59,793
to me, "naeem, I'm coming back.
3313
01:23:59,817 --> 01:24:00,687
We're gonna be back together,
3314
01:24:00,774 --> 01:24:01,688
and this is
3315
01:24:01,775 --> 01:24:02,689
what we're gonna do."
3316
01:24:02,776 --> 01:24:03,690
We would have
3317
01:24:03,777 --> 01:24:04,691
all these design meetings.
3318
01:24:04,778 --> 01:24:05,692
But it never came about.
3319
01:24:05,779 --> 01:24:06,867
- Oh.
3320
01:24:06,954 --> 01:24:07,868
- And slowly his health faded,
3321
01:24:07,955 --> 01:24:08,869
and then he went away.
3322
01:24:08,956 --> 01:24:09,870
- Yeah.
3323
01:24:09,957 --> 01:24:14,049
- Yeah.
3324
01:24:14,136 --> 01:24:17,052
- He never said to me,
3325
01:24:17,139 --> 01:24:19,880
"I'm gonna die."
3326
01:24:19,967 --> 01:24:22,535
But I knew.
3327
01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:26,365
So i-I'd write him letters.
3328
01:24:26,452 --> 01:24:27,714
You know, I wanted to stay,
3329
01:24:27,801 --> 01:24:28,889
and his brother said to me,
3330
01:24:28,976 --> 01:24:29,890
"you can't.
3331
01:24:29,977 --> 01:24:30,891
You have to go,
3332
01:24:30,978 --> 01:24:31,892
because if you stay,
3333
01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:32,893
he'll know that you know
3334
01:24:32,980 --> 01:24:34,547
something's really wrong."
3335
01:24:34,634 --> 01:24:36,897
And it was very hard to accept.
3336
01:24:36,984 --> 01:24:38,551
And it was at a time
3337
01:24:38,638 --> 01:24:41,554
when aids was just...
3338
01:24:41,641 --> 01:24:42,555
They didn't talk about it.
3339
01:24:42,642 --> 01:24:43,556
- I know.
3340
01:24:43,643 --> 01:24:44,557
- It was something
3341
01:24:44,644 --> 01:24:45,645
to be ashamed of,
3342
01:24:45,732 --> 01:24:46,559
which is ludicrous, you know.
3343
01:24:46,646 --> 01:24:47,646
- Yeah.
3344
01:24:47,691 --> 01:24:48,561
- But that's the way it was,
3345
01:24:48,648 --> 01:24:50,389
and those are the facts.
3346
01:24:50,476 --> 01:24:51,390
- He went to San Francisco,
3347
01:24:51,477 --> 01:24:52,696
and he bought himself
3348
01:24:52,783 --> 01:24:54,176
a Rolls-Royce,
3349
01:24:54,263 --> 01:24:55,568
and he would be in the car,
3350
01:24:55,655 --> 01:24:56,917
and he would drive around
3351
01:24:57,004 --> 01:24:58,093
on his own.
3352
01:24:58,180 --> 01:24:59,746
And he was not talking calls
3353
01:24:59,833 --> 01:25:00,921
from anybody.
3354
01:25:01,008 --> 01:25:02,706
He was by himself.
3355
01:25:02,793 --> 01:25:05,404
- God, i-i... when he died,
3356
01:25:05,491 --> 01:25:06,753
I went nuts.
3357
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:07,754
Really, I went
3358
01:25:07,841 --> 01:25:08,929
into such a depression.
3359
01:25:09,016 --> 01:25:10,757
Well, I-I didn't think...
3360
01:25:10,844 --> 01:25:12,759
I-I knew other people would die,
3361
01:25:12,846 --> 01:25:14,109
'cause they were getting old.
3362
01:25:14,196 --> 01:25:15,936
But halston? No.
3363
01:25:16,023 --> 01:25:17,590
It's very hard to say good-bye
3364
01:25:17,677 --> 01:25:18,809
when you're not allowed to,
3365
01:25:18,896 --> 01:25:19,940
you know.
3366
01:25:20,027 --> 01:25:21,768
- Fashion designer halston,
3367
01:25:21,855 --> 01:25:22,943
who created the pillbox hat
3368
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:24,423
worn by Jacqueline Kennedy
3369
01:25:24,510 --> 01:25:25,424
at her husband's
3370
01:25:25,511 --> 01:25:26,599
presidential inauguration,
3371
01:25:26,686 --> 01:25:27,686
died last night
3372
01:25:27,731 --> 01:25:28,949
in a San Francisco hospital.
3373
01:25:29,036 --> 01:25:30,429
Halston, who was born
3374
01:25:30,516 --> 01:25:31,778
Roy halston frowick,
3375
01:25:31,865 --> 01:25:33,954
died of aids-related cancer.
3376
01:25:34,041 --> 01:25:37,828
He was 57.
3377
01:26:02,548 --> 01:26:03,984
- When I came back
3378
01:26:04,071 --> 01:26:05,464
to America to live,
3379
01:26:05,551 --> 01:26:06,813
I said, "oh, let me
3380
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:07,901
walk past halston's house
3381
01:26:07,988 --> 01:26:10,165
and see how I feel about it."
3382
01:26:10,252 --> 01:26:12,167
I stood, and I looked up,
3383
01:26:12,254 --> 01:26:14,169
and a man came over to me,
3384
01:26:14,256 --> 01:26:15,822
and he said, "do you know
3385
01:26:15,909 --> 01:26:17,824
the history of this building?
3386
01:26:17,911 --> 01:26:19,826
Do you know what happened
3387
01:26:19,913 --> 01:26:21,176
in this building?
3388
01:26:21,263 --> 01:26:23,003
Do you know who lived here?
3389
01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:25,180
Do you know what kind
3390
01:26:25,267 --> 01:26:26,659
of exciting people
3391
01:26:26,746 --> 01:26:27,834
and exciting parties
3392
01:26:27,921 --> 01:26:30,489
they used to have?
3393
01:26:30,576 --> 01:26:32,012
That man had no idea
3394
01:26:32,099 --> 01:26:34,667
that I was part of that."
3395
01:26:34,754 --> 01:26:36,539
I listened to his story,
3396
01:26:36,626 --> 01:26:37,670
and it was like
3397
01:26:37,757 --> 01:26:39,672
I wasn't even there.
3398
01:26:39,759 --> 01:26:43,502
I felt like a ghost.
3399
01:26:43,589 --> 01:26:44,503
Smith: What originally
3400
01:26:44,590 --> 01:26:45,852
drew me to halston
3401
01:26:45,939 --> 01:26:47,027
was the glamour,
3402
01:26:47,114 --> 01:26:48,114
the girls,
3403
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,030
the haze of cigarette smoke
3404
01:26:50,117 --> 01:26:51,206
at 54.
3405
01:26:51,293 --> 01:26:52,511
But what I found
3406
01:26:52,598 --> 01:26:54,034
was something else...
3407
01:26:54,121 --> 01:26:56,036
An artist, a visionary,
3408
01:26:56,123 --> 01:26:57,864
a friend loved by many,
3409
01:26:57,951 --> 01:26:59,214
and above all,
3410
01:26:59,301 --> 01:27:01,216
a true American original.
3411
01:27:01,303 --> 01:27:03,696
The '70s really did belong
3412
01:27:03,783 --> 01:27:05,045
to halston.
3413
01:27:05,132 --> 01:27:07,222
- You can try to imitate,
3414
01:27:07,309 --> 01:27:09,528
but an original is original,
3415
01:27:09,615 --> 01:27:11,051
and it will never come back.
3416
01:27:11,138 --> 01:27:13,532
Memories and pictures
3417
01:27:13,619 --> 01:27:14,881
and films
3418
01:27:14,968 --> 01:27:16,709
are the best thing to enjoy
3419
01:27:16,796 --> 01:27:21,540
what was then.
3420
01:27:21,627 --> 01:27:23,238
- I just recently
3421
01:27:23,325 --> 01:27:25,240
went to a party in a town house,
3422
01:27:25,327 --> 01:27:27,546
and a young girl came in,
3423
01:27:27,633 --> 01:27:28,547
and she was wearing
3424
01:27:28,634 --> 01:27:29,548
a halston dress.
3425
01:27:29,635 --> 01:27:30,723
Her mother had given her
3426
01:27:30,810 --> 01:27:32,725
a hammered satin bias column.
3427
01:27:32,812 --> 01:27:35,902
And this dress stood out
3428
01:27:35,989 --> 01:27:37,556
amongst all the dresses
3429
01:27:37,643 --> 01:27:38,643
in the room,
3430
01:27:38,688 --> 01:27:39,906
amongst all the new clothes.
3431
01:27:39,993 --> 01:27:40,993
This girl's dress,
3432
01:27:41,038 --> 01:27:42,561
when she walked in the room,
3433
01:27:42,648 --> 01:27:45,738
it was like lights came on.
3434
01:27:45,825 --> 01:27:47,262
The strength of halston
3435
01:27:47,349 --> 01:27:48,741
is his work.
3436
01:27:48,828 --> 01:27:50,917
What speaks is the work,
3437
01:27:51,004 --> 01:27:52,267
not what happened to him
3438
01:27:52,354 --> 01:27:53,703
at the end of his life.
3439
01:27:53,790 --> 01:27:54,921
- There's a kind of
3440
01:27:55,008 --> 01:27:56,749
artistic quality to it.
3441
01:27:56,836 --> 01:27:59,230
The demise has an artistic,
3442
01:27:59,317 --> 01:28:01,580
Byron-esque, Rambo
3443
01:28:01,667 --> 01:28:03,103
kind of quality to it.
3444
01:28:03,190 --> 01:28:05,280
It's somebody dying young,
3445
01:28:05,367 --> 01:28:07,586
burning out, overdoing it.
3446
01:28:07,673 --> 01:28:09,284
You know, it's a romantic vision
3447
01:28:09,371 --> 01:28:10,285
of things...
3448
01:28:10,372 --> 01:28:11,286
Do everything
3449
01:28:11,373 --> 01:28:12,765
you're not supposed to do
3450
01:28:12,852 --> 01:28:15,290
and then be celebrated
3451
01:28:15,377 --> 01:28:18,118
when you're gone.
3452
01:28:18,205 --> 01:28:19,294
I'm not so sure
3453
01:28:19,381 --> 01:28:20,599
I would look back at this
3454
01:28:20,686 --> 01:28:21,600
as a morality tale now
3455
01:28:21,687 --> 01:28:22,601
or a cautionary tale.
3456
01:28:22,688 --> 01:28:23,776
- Right.
3457
01:28:23,863 --> 01:28:24,603
- I think it's halston's tale.
3458
01:28:24,690 --> 01:28:25,735
It was his story
3459
01:28:25,822 --> 01:28:27,302
the way he wanted to have it go.
3460
01:28:27,389 --> 01:28:28,303
- He was a great...
3461
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:29,782
Halston was a great person
3462
01:28:29,869 --> 01:28:31,131
and a great designer
3463
01:28:31,218 --> 01:28:32,307
and a tragic figure
3464
01:28:32,394 --> 01:28:34,134
because of that.
3465
01:28:34,221 --> 01:28:36,311
You know, you can't be tragic
3466
01:28:36,398 --> 01:28:37,790
unless there's some greatness
3467
01:28:37,877 --> 01:28:41,228
there in the first place.
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