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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,335 --> 00:00:03,871 ANNOUNCER: Free the innocent. Find the guilty. 2 00:00:03,904 --> 00:00:06,707 -Are you sure you want to poke the bear? -I want to rip his heart out. 3 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:09,743 ANNOUNCER: All-new episodes of Proven Innocent Fridays. 4 00:00:09,777 --> 00:00:11,545 And check out our other hit shows-- 5 00:00:11,579 --> 00:00:14,315 The Resident, 9-1-1, and Empire. 6 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:15,916 Only on Fox. 7 00:00:17,017 --> 00:00:18,586 Previously on Proven Innocent... 8 00:00:18,619 --> 00:00:20,354 MADELINE: If someone needs our help, we don't give a damn 9 00:00:20,388 --> 00:00:21,455 where they come from. 10 00:00:21,489 --> 00:00:23,257 We believe the justice system is flawed. 11 00:00:23,291 --> 00:00:25,559 -BELLOWS: The hell's going on? -Ah, there he is. 12 00:00:25,593 --> 00:00:27,861 Mr. Bellows. Noah Weiss, campaign strategist. 13 00:00:27,895 --> 00:00:29,363 We're gonna need to change the entire structure 14 00:00:29,397 --> 00:00:30,731 -of the campaign. -This is ridiculous. 15 00:00:30,764 --> 00:00:32,533 You think that you're there for me, but really, 16 00:00:32,566 --> 00:00:35,369 -you just show up when you want to be the hero. -I do not. 17 00:00:35,403 --> 00:00:37,171 I don't need you saving me anymore. I'm fine on my own. 18 00:00:37,205 --> 00:00:40,007 ISABEL: Offer a deal that sends Levi Scott 19 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,509 to anger management counseling. I'll do the rest. 20 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:43,411 -And you can get him to talk? -Of course. 21 00:00:43,444 --> 00:00:44,912 If this was speed dating, I'd be into it. 22 00:00:47,548 --> 00:00:49,783 * 23 00:00:51,152 --> 00:00:52,553 * Be it * 24 00:00:52,586 --> 00:00:54,722 * Express it * 25 00:00:54,755 --> 00:00:57,725 * Be it, express it... * 26 00:00:57,758 --> 00:00:59,560 Man, this place is rocking. 27 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:01,729 Really makes me rethink my lifestyle choices. 28 00:01:01,762 --> 00:01:04,365 (laughs) Being gay is not a choice, Bodie. 29 00:01:04,398 --> 00:01:06,867 -It is if you love Fox News. -(laughs) 30 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,736 Ladies! I don't know how you're pulling it off, 31 00:01:08,769 --> 00:01:11,905 but you are absolutely killing it. 32 00:01:11,939 --> 00:01:15,209 Oh, baby, there ain't no pulling anything off. We tuck it in. 33 00:01:15,243 --> 00:01:16,544 -(laughter) -Do you happen to know where... 34 00:01:16,577 --> 00:01:19,380 Oh, my God. Madeline? Madeline Scott, is that you? 35 00:01:19,413 --> 00:01:21,382 Your trial was the biggest thing around here. 36 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:23,050 We cheered so loud when you got out of prison. 37 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:24,585 We cried, girl. We even had a Madeline Scott night 38 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:26,086 -at our bar. -Cried. 39 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,055 DRAG QUEEN: Everybody came dressed like you. 40 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:29,657 -She even wore your hair. -MADELINE: You do have my hair. 41 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:31,091 -It's kind of amazing. -I do have your hair. 42 00:01:31,125 --> 00:01:33,060 -You're amazing. -What are you doing here, mama? -I'm looking 43 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:35,696 for a law firm. Do you know where Watts & Watts is? 44 00:01:35,729 --> 00:01:36,897 Loca, that's right down the street 45 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:38,399 and go right around the corner. 46 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:40,801 -Perfect, thank you so much. -Oh, no, baby. Where you going? 47 00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:42,570 -Oh... -Get your phone out. We need a selfie. 48 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:44,238 -Get in here. -Girl, no one's gonna believe us. 49 00:01:44,272 --> 00:01:45,639 We say three, you're gonna smile, say "yas." 50 00:01:45,673 --> 00:01:48,075 -Ready? One, two, three. -ALL: Yas! 51 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:49,777 * Express it * 52 00:01:49,810 --> 00:01:54,081 * Be it, yeah, express it... * 53 00:01:54,114 --> 00:01:56,250 Her name is Cindy Whitman. 54 00:01:56,284 --> 00:02:00,421 She was convicted of killing a transgender woman back in 1982. 55 00:02:00,454 --> 00:02:02,756 The victim, Vanessa Evans, was the most important 56 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:05,259 trans activist of her time. 57 00:02:05,293 --> 00:02:08,296 Cindy is transgender herself, and the prisons have stopped 58 00:02:08,329 --> 00:02:10,130 issuing her hormones due to cutbacks. 59 00:02:10,164 --> 00:02:12,099 I'm suing them to get them back. 60 00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:13,867 I can't imagine what she's going through. That's like having 61 00:02:13,901 --> 00:02:15,369 your identity ripped away. 62 00:02:15,403 --> 00:02:17,137 I was friends with a trans man in prison. 63 00:02:17,171 --> 00:02:18,639 Taking away his testosterone would have been like 64 00:02:18,672 --> 00:02:20,441 -taking away his existence. -GARRETT: Exactly. 65 00:02:20,474 --> 00:02:22,109 And to get her hormones back, I have to prove 66 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:23,277 how long she's been on them. 67 00:02:23,311 --> 00:02:24,812 I confirmed with the doctor that she's been 68 00:02:24,845 --> 00:02:27,948 taking them since the late '70s, which led me 69 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:30,050 to a really interesting discovery. 70 00:02:30,083 --> 00:02:33,887 The blood at the crime scene matched Cindy's blood type, 71 00:02:33,921 --> 00:02:35,289 which is AB negative. 72 00:02:35,323 --> 00:02:36,957 It's the rarest blood type. 73 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:39,560 Right, only 0.6% of the population has it. 74 00:02:39,593 --> 00:02:43,130 At the time, it was primarily what they used to convict her. 75 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:44,732 But I just discovered from the lab reports 76 00:02:44,765 --> 00:02:47,501 that the hormone levels in the blood 77 00:02:47,535 --> 00:02:49,403 were significantly lower than that of someone 78 00:02:49,437 --> 00:02:51,672 -who is transitioning. -BODIE: So the blood at the crime scene 79 00:02:51,705 --> 00:02:53,006 couldn't have been Cindy's. 80 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,642 I think we have grounds here to reopen this case. 81 00:02:54,675 --> 00:02:55,843 I'd say so. 82 00:02:55,876 --> 00:02:57,678 Which leads me to another problem, 83 00:02:57,711 --> 00:02:58,979 but I think you're the perfect person 84 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:01,014 -to help me with it. -Why is that? 85 00:03:01,048 --> 00:03:03,517 Cindy doesn't want to get out of jail. 86 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:10,524 VIOLET: Imagine you are looking at yourself in the mirror. 87 00:03:10,558 --> 00:03:14,762 It sounds like you and it looks like you. 88 00:03:14,795 --> 00:03:18,766 But deep down, you know this isn't your true self. 89 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:21,369 On this week's episode of Until Proven Innocent, 90 00:03:21,402 --> 00:03:24,037 we'll explore what happens when one dares 91 00:03:24,071 --> 00:03:27,174 to finally live in their truth, 92 00:03:27,207 --> 00:03:32,179 knowing that so many in the world will hate them for it. 93 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:35,616 I know I'm not much to look at now, 94 00:03:35,649 --> 00:03:38,185 but you should have seen me back in the day. 95 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:42,856 Mmm. Oh, Lord Jesus, I was fabulous. 96 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:44,191 You're still fabulous. 97 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:45,526 Really, sweetie? 98 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:46,860 I swear on the Bible. 99 00:03:46,894 --> 00:03:48,696 Mmm. Oh, hell. 100 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,498 The religious boys, they love me. 101 00:03:50,531 --> 00:03:52,566 Honey, the bigger the Bible, the bigger the closet. 102 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,102 -They were always chasing after me. -(laughs) 103 00:03:55,135 --> 00:03:56,537 MADELINE: Tell us about Vanessa. 104 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:59,640 Vanessa Evans was our hero. 105 00:03:59,673 --> 00:04:01,442 (chuckles) 106 00:04:01,475 --> 00:04:03,944 She was one of the bravest trans activists I knew back then. 107 00:04:03,977 --> 00:04:05,713 Ness held it down. 108 00:04:05,746 --> 00:04:08,549 Police report said you got in a fight the night she died, 109 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:10,050 that it was a lover's quarrel. 110 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:11,885 Hmm. Yeah. 111 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:14,922 Because they thought we were queer men and not women. 112 00:04:14,955 --> 00:04:17,057 Vanessa and I, we were never lovers. 113 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:18,892 She was like a sister to me. 114 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:20,894 But the cops saw me as trans-trash, 115 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:22,396 so they threw the book at me. 116 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:24,465 Well... thanks to what Garrett found, 117 00:04:24,498 --> 00:04:26,900 -we think you have a real shot. -At getting my hormones? 118 00:04:26,934 --> 00:04:28,669 At getting your conviction overturned. 119 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:30,270 You shouldn't have to suffer in jail 120 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:31,905 for a crime you didn't commit. 121 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:33,907 You know, the real suffering happened 122 00:04:33,941 --> 00:04:36,243 when I had to live my life as Steve. 123 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:38,912 That was torture every day. 124 00:04:38,946 --> 00:04:41,849 And that torture's coming back if I don't get my hormones. 125 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:45,085 Cindy, why don't you want to get out? 126 00:04:45,118 --> 00:04:47,788 'Cause there's nothing out there for me. 127 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:50,924 Everyone I knew is gone. 128 00:04:50,958 --> 00:04:53,427 AIDS, hate crimes, suicide. 129 00:04:53,461 --> 00:04:56,464 40% of trans folks are trying to kill themselves. 130 00:04:56,497 --> 00:05:00,200 40%. Can you imagine if that number was that high 131 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:03,337 for any other group of people? Honey, there'd be a telethon 132 00:05:03,371 --> 00:05:05,105 around the clock. 133 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:07,541 No. I'd rather stay in here. 134 00:05:07,575 --> 00:05:10,110 But if you really want to help me, 135 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:13,180 if you really want to help me, 136 00:05:13,213 --> 00:05:16,384 get me my hormones, please. 137 00:05:16,417 --> 00:05:18,352 Because I'll die without them. 138 00:05:19,987 --> 00:05:21,989 * 139 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:38,972 It's as if I've never done this before or something. 140 00:05:39,006 --> 00:05:41,509 Wow, I'm a little nervous. 141 00:05:41,542 --> 00:05:42,976 Oh, I totally get that. 142 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:45,012 -I get nervous. -No, you don't. 143 00:05:45,045 --> 00:05:46,480 Nervous means like, you know, you're in the game, like, 144 00:05:46,514 --> 00:05:47,748 nervous means you want to win. 145 00:05:47,781 --> 00:05:48,916 Being nervous is good. 146 00:05:48,949 --> 00:05:52,185 Okay. Right. Nervous is good. 147 00:05:52,219 --> 00:05:54,488 -Nervous is good. -I'll just be nervous all the time. 148 00:05:54,522 --> 00:05:57,357 -That's the spirit. -Okay, um... 149 00:05:58,459 --> 00:06:02,763 Our guest today is podcasting icon 150 00:06:02,796 --> 00:06:06,166 -and my personal hero Ira Glass. -Glad to be here. 151 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:08,569 "Podcasting icon" is such, like, a funny thing to say. 152 00:06:08,602 --> 00:06:10,103 Like, I'm this "icon" of this thing 153 00:06:10,137 --> 00:06:11,505 that most people have never heard of. 154 00:06:11,539 --> 00:06:14,341 (laughs, snorts) 155 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:17,611 Uh, one of the biggest challenges in podcasting 156 00:06:17,645 --> 00:06:21,048 is balancing the story that you're actually telling 157 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:23,851 with some kind of bigger meaning or message, 158 00:06:23,884 --> 00:06:26,420 which is something you do effortlessly. 159 00:06:26,454 --> 00:06:28,221 -What's your secret? -I mean, honestly, we just try 160 00:06:28,255 --> 00:06:29,890 to tell the plot of what happened to a person, 161 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:33,226 and then, ideally, they are the one who have 162 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:35,262 the bigger thought or idea about what it means. 163 00:06:35,295 --> 00:06:38,198 Um, and then if they don't, like, then the host or reporter 164 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:39,533 can jump in and give that meaning. 165 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:41,535 There's a really amazing example 166 00:06:41,569 --> 00:06:44,371 that I just heard where it was this story of this 14-year-old, 167 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:46,206 who, uh, who the police would treat as an adult 168 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:47,941 because he looked just like an adult. 169 00:06:47,975 --> 00:06:49,543 And then the host is the one who jumps in 170 00:06:49,577 --> 00:06:51,044 with this really beautiful thought 171 00:06:51,078 --> 00:06:52,880 about how deceptive appearances can be. 172 00:06:52,913 --> 00:06:55,382 (laughs): OMG. 173 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,718 You're talking about my show. 174 00:06:57,751 --> 00:06:59,887 Yes, I am talking about your show. Yes, congratulations, 175 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,421 you recognize your own show. 176 00:07:01,455 --> 00:07:03,957 Yeah, you're doing such a nice job. 177 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:06,259 VIOLET: Thanks again 178 00:07:06,293 --> 00:07:07,628 -for doing this. -Totally glad to do it. 179 00:07:07,661 --> 00:07:09,096 And for pretending to be a fan. 180 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:10,898 -That was nice. -I'm not pretending. 181 00:07:10,931 --> 00:07:12,299 Your show's really good. 182 00:07:12,332 --> 00:07:13,501 Thanks. 183 00:07:13,534 --> 00:07:16,003 Hey, okay, so, I fly out of here in a couple days. 184 00:07:16,036 --> 00:07:17,404 What are you doing tomorrow night? 185 00:07:17,437 --> 00:07:19,907 Um... Oh, I guess I'm, 186 00:07:19,940 --> 00:07:21,975 I'm doing whatever it is that you are doing. 187 00:07:22,009 --> 00:07:24,745 You're funny. Um, do you want to have dinner? 188 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:27,581 I-I, um, I do. 189 00:07:27,615 --> 00:07:29,149 I do want to have dinner. That would be nice. 190 00:07:29,182 --> 00:07:31,418 -That's great. Okay, so, I will be in touch. -Okay. 191 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,921 -We will make arrangements, the way that adults do. -Yeah. 192 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:37,190 -Good. All right, great. Okay. -Great. Thanks. 193 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:39,527 (door opens, closes) 194 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,928 (exclaims) 195 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:42,930 * Can't be more of a baller... * 196 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:44,598 NOAH: So our first goal is to reframe you 197 00:07:44,632 --> 00:07:47,367 into what I call a hero campaign. 198 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,836 We lean into your incredible bio, 199 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:51,138 display images of you looking heroic. 200 00:07:51,171 --> 00:07:53,641 Here you are as the man who saved Chicago. 201 00:07:53,674 --> 00:07:56,276 A loving husband, American as apple pie. 202 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:57,444 Tested great in the burbs. 203 00:07:57,477 --> 00:08:01,348 This one says Gore Bellows is the law. 204 00:08:03,617 --> 00:08:05,185 -Powerful. -Yeah. 205 00:08:05,218 --> 00:08:07,521 -Forceful. -Absolutely. 206 00:08:07,555 --> 00:08:08,989 Makes me look like a winner. 207 00:08:09,022 --> 00:08:11,291 -Which you are, sir. -(chuckles) 208 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:13,293 Best part is it makes the campaign about me, 209 00:08:13,326 --> 00:08:14,995 instead of the Scott case. 210 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:16,797 Mayfield was always obsessed with how Madeline's press 211 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:19,066 was affecting my numbers. 212 00:08:19,099 --> 00:08:20,968 Yeah, I don't want to say anything negative about him, 213 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:23,003 'cause he's a great guy, but he's an amateur and a hack 214 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:24,805 who will lead you to a crushing defeat. 215 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:27,174 All right, fighting Madeline Scott-- going tit for tat-- 216 00:08:27,207 --> 00:08:30,410 it puts her at your level, and she is not. 217 00:08:30,443 --> 00:08:32,312 She's a murderer. 218 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:35,348 -You really believe that? -I always did. 219 00:08:36,383 --> 00:08:38,518 I knew you were my guy. 220 00:08:38,552 --> 00:08:39,820 (Bellows chuckles) 221 00:08:39,853 --> 00:08:41,188 So you think I should just ignore her? 222 00:08:41,221 --> 00:08:42,355 I do, I do. 223 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:44,157 I mean, unless... 224 00:08:44,191 --> 00:08:45,693 Unless what? 225 00:08:45,726 --> 00:08:47,160 Well, attacking her would be a disaster, 226 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:49,029 but if you had new evidence... 227 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:51,364 ...of her guilt... 228 00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:56,103 I mean, then you would win in a landslide. 229 00:08:57,370 --> 00:09:00,173 You mean, recharge her for murder? 230 00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:03,243 Only if you had new evidence. 231 00:09:04,878 --> 00:09:09,382 If you had it, you would dominate every news cycle. 232 00:09:15,322 --> 00:09:17,390 (liquid pouring) 233 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,697 I believe she's innocent, but if she doesn't want our help... 234 00:09:23,731 --> 00:09:26,433 Prison is a hopeless place, we just need to give her some hope. 235 00:09:26,466 --> 00:09:29,036 So, what, we go against her wishes and do it anyway? 236 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:31,271 It's not even ethical to assume representation for a client 237 00:09:31,304 --> 00:09:32,806 without their consent. 238 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,007 Then let's find some new evidence, 239 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:35,375 give her a reason to say yes. 240 00:09:35,408 --> 00:09:37,544 2018 was one of the most violent years 241 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:40,213 in history for transgender women. 242 00:09:40,247 --> 00:09:42,415 This could be an amazing case to shine a light on those issues. 243 00:09:42,449 --> 00:09:44,484 We can't take the case of someone who doesn't 244 00:09:44,517 --> 00:09:45,753 want to be exonerated. 245 00:09:45,786 --> 00:09:47,387 Are you uncomfortable with this case? 246 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:51,424 No. I'd gladly move forward if she actually wanted our help. 247 00:09:51,458 --> 00:09:52,826 Well, she does, she doesn't know it yet. 248 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:54,762 Come on, let's dig around. 249 00:09:54,795 --> 00:09:56,363 Let's give her a reason to change her mind. 250 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:05,272 (exhales) Amazing, isn't it? 251 00:10:05,305 --> 00:10:07,574 All the hatred for this community. 252 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:09,777 All they want to do is just live their lives for who they are. 253 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:12,579 I wouldn't know anything about that. 254 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:14,581 Does the black community share any connection 255 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:17,250 with the gay community for being targeted by hate groups? 256 00:10:17,284 --> 00:10:19,586 Some might say yes because we both know what it's like 257 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:21,588 to be hated for being who you are, 258 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:24,591 and we're both generally hated by the same people. 259 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,459 But others say you can hide who you love, 260 00:10:26,493 --> 00:10:28,461 but you can't hide the color of your skin. 261 00:10:37,237 --> 00:10:40,607 (laughter, indistinct chatter) 262 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,476 But what do you do when you can't hide who you love? 263 00:10:53,821 --> 00:10:55,455 MAN: No way Cindy killed her. 264 00:10:55,488 --> 00:10:58,125 Cops will pin anything they can on queer people. 265 00:10:58,158 --> 00:11:00,961 -Did you own the bar then? -No, I was just a server. 266 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:02,796 It was mob-owned, like most gay bars. 267 00:11:02,830 --> 00:11:06,967 They walked away in '98 and someone had to keep it alive. 268 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,635 This bar was special. A safe haven, 269 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:10,003 where everyone could be themselves. 270 00:11:10,037 --> 00:11:11,571 Everyone? 271 00:11:11,604 --> 00:11:14,007 My understanding is not all gay bars 272 00:11:14,041 --> 00:11:16,643 were welcoming of the trans community. 273 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:18,812 This wasn't most gay bars, honey. 274 00:11:18,846 --> 00:11:21,414 This was the Tulip. 275 00:11:21,448 --> 00:11:22,649 Vanessa was an icon. 276 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,517 A true hero. 277 00:11:24,551 --> 00:11:27,387 Everybody loved her. Except the cops. 278 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:28,989 -Why is that? -The usual. 279 00:11:29,022 --> 00:11:31,691 Thought she was a he and a pervert. 280 00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:34,161 If they weren't harassing her, they were putting her in cuffs 281 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:37,064 for prostitution, and believe me, she wasn't. 282 00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:39,666 -Walking while trans. -That's right, honey. 283 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:42,335 You look visibly trans on the street, 284 00:11:42,369 --> 00:11:43,771 cops cuff and say you're a prostitute. 285 00:11:43,804 --> 00:11:47,007 In my community, it's walking while black. 286 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,176 Now imagine being black and trans. 287 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:50,844 'Cause that's what these girls had to live with. 288 00:11:50,878 --> 00:11:53,680 I remember a few days before she was killed, 289 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:56,216 some jerk accosted Vanessa. He was obsessed with her. 290 00:11:56,249 --> 00:11:59,186 And when she called it off, he went after her. 291 00:11:59,219 --> 00:12:02,055 Then the cops arrest Vanessa for assault. 292 00:12:02,089 --> 00:12:03,623 Do you know who this guy was? 293 00:12:03,656 --> 00:12:05,993 No, but I'll ask around. 294 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:08,061 A few of us are still alive from those days. 295 00:12:09,062 --> 00:12:10,630 A few. 296 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:18,738 You wanted to see me? 297 00:12:18,772 --> 00:12:20,207 Yes, come on in. Come on in. 298 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,143 So... this is the big day. 299 00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:24,878 Your first day in court. 300 00:12:24,912 --> 00:12:26,479 It's just a P.C. hearing. 301 00:12:26,513 --> 00:12:28,048 First P.C. hearing in court. 302 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:30,550 (chuckling): Here. Congratulations. 303 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,920 I'm very proud of all your accomplishments. 304 00:12:32,953 --> 00:12:34,754 ISABEL: Oh, I love it. 305 00:12:34,788 --> 00:12:37,157 -Thank you. -You deserve it. 306 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:38,391 Come have a seat. 307 00:12:38,425 --> 00:12:41,328 So, tell me about Levi Scott. 308 00:12:41,361 --> 00:12:43,430 Are you still attending that anger management class with him? 309 00:12:43,463 --> 00:12:45,232 Levi's a tough nut to crack. 310 00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:47,734 He keeps to himself, mostly. 311 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,569 You just got to get him to loosen up. 312 00:12:49,602 --> 00:12:50,737 Find out what he likes. 313 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:54,641 I bet it's you. Who knows-- maybe, 314 00:12:54,674 --> 00:12:56,543 if he can give you some evidence that might help 315 00:12:56,576 --> 00:12:59,312 reopen Rosemary's murder case... 316 00:12:59,346 --> 00:13:01,915 you could find yourself sitting second chair 317 00:13:01,949 --> 00:13:03,984 in the biggest trial of the year. 318 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:06,887 Understood. 319 00:13:09,189 --> 00:13:11,458 (indistinct announcement over P.A.) 320 00:13:11,491 --> 00:13:14,261 CINDY: Vanessa had a few stalkers. 321 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:16,429 The straight boys loved her. 322 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:19,632 And when they couldn't keep her it could get violent. 323 00:13:19,666 --> 00:13:21,101 You have any idea who attacked her 324 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:22,936 -when she was charged for assault? -Honey... 325 00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:25,372 everybody harassed us. 326 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:27,941 Cops, neighbors, drunkards, robbers, 327 00:13:27,975 --> 00:13:29,442 even family. 328 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:30,810 Everybody hated us. 329 00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:32,946 EASY: We're just trying to find an alternative suspect. 330 00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:34,882 It's the key to getting you out. 331 00:13:34,915 --> 00:13:36,616 Well, what's the key to getting my hormones? 332 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:38,785 Cindy, you deserve your hormones and so much more. 333 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:40,387 Let us help you get out of prison. 334 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:43,123 -Then you're free to get the hormones you need. -But like I said, 335 00:13:43,156 --> 00:13:44,791 I've got no one out there. 336 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:46,459 The gays hate us. 337 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:48,161 The lesbians don't want anything to do with us, 338 00:13:48,195 --> 00:13:49,829 and the straights don't even think we're human. 339 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:54,968 All of my friends are gone. 340 00:13:55,002 --> 00:13:58,471 There's not one single person in the world for me. 341 00:13:58,505 --> 00:14:00,340 I'm better off in here. 342 00:14:00,373 --> 00:14:02,675 But this isn't freedom. 343 00:14:02,709 --> 00:14:04,077 Your life's not your own, 344 00:14:04,111 --> 00:14:06,980 and even though the idea of being free is scary, 345 00:14:07,014 --> 00:14:09,416 it is your right because you're innocent. 346 00:14:09,449 --> 00:14:11,818 I won't say it's gonna be easy. 347 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:13,420 But a year from now, 348 00:14:13,453 --> 00:14:15,555 maybe two, maybe three... 349 00:14:17,324 --> 00:14:19,426 ...you're gonna start to wake up with tears in your eyes 350 00:14:19,459 --> 00:14:21,929 that your life is your own. 351 00:14:23,964 --> 00:14:25,832 Why are you being so nice to me? 352 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,701 Because I suffered for ten years in prison. 353 00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:32,940 Just like that man over there alleviated my pain, 354 00:14:32,973 --> 00:14:35,275 I vowed that I would do the same for others. 355 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:39,746 Cindy, let us help you. 356 00:14:39,779 --> 00:14:41,214 Let us stand next to you and fight. 357 00:14:57,430 --> 00:15:00,567 All right... fine. 358 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:03,736 Let's do it. 359 00:15:12,512 --> 00:15:14,214 -Oh, Lord. -Who is it? 360 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:16,583 -Judge Speer. -Oh, Lord. 361 00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:19,419 -Ms. Scott. -It's good to see you again, Your Honor. 362 00:15:19,452 --> 00:15:21,088 I wish I could say the same for you. 363 00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:22,689 Thank you, Your Honor. 364 00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:25,392 The justice system is based on the principle 365 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:27,427 that all people are treated equally under the law. 366 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:28,895 That principle was violated 367 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:30,263 at Cindy Whitman's original trial. 368 00:15:30,297 --> 00:15:31,731 SPEER: Whoa, whoa, whoa, we have on the docket here 369 00:15:31,764 --> 00:15:34,434 a Steven Whitman, not Cindy. 370 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:35,568 Your Honor, that's my point. 371 00:15:35,602 --> 00:15:37,404 -The Constitution... -Ms. Scott, 372 00:15:37,437 --> 00:15:38,471 you're my first case of the day. 373 00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:39,906 Let the coffee kick in before you 374 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:41,341 go full Atticus Finch on me. 375 00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:42,509 What's your issue? 376 00:15:42,542 --> 00:15:44,744 Your Honor... 377 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:47,447 we move for a new trial in the interest of justice 378 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,083 on the basis of overwhelming new evidence 379 00:15:50,117 --> 00:15:52,652 of the Chicago PD's bias against the transgendered community 380 00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:54,321 -in the '80s. -Lovely history lesson, 381 00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,389 but you seem to have left out 382 00:15:56,423 --> 00:15:59,426 the Chicago PD's investigation into your client. 383 00:15:59,459 --> 00:16:01,794 In addition to exculpatory blood evidence already before you, 384 00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:03,630 the hormone levels in the blood at the scene 385 00:16:03,663 --> 00:16:05,532 did not reflect someone who was transitioning... 386 00:16:05,565 --> 00:16:06,766 Do these blood samples still exist? 387 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:08,435 They do not, Your Honor. 388 00:16:08,468 --> 00:16:10,103 Motion for a new trial denied. 389 00:16:10,137 --> 00:16:12,305 Then we request, at the very least, 390 00:16:12,339 --> 00:16:13,940 post-conviction discovery, 391 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,609 in the form of access to the police files 392 00:16:16,643 --> 00:16:17,610 to explore the possibility. 393 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:19,712 Fine. Motion granted. 394 00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:22,115 But then again... 395 00:16:22,149 --> 00:16:23,950 that's what you wanted all along, 396 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:25,585 -isn't it, Ms. Scott? -Maybe. 397 00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:28,221 Next case. 398 00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:35,295 How nice of them to bury us in paperwork. 399 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:36,629 Yeah, and literally none of it 400 00:16:36,663 --> 00:16:38,565 has anything to do with our case. 401 00:16:38,598 --> 00:16:39,966 The arrest date was July 14, right? 402 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:41,868 -VIOLET: Yeah. -Yeah. -I have an arrest report here 403 00:16:41,901 --> 00:16:45,338 for Debbie Urmand, same date, same charge. 404 00:16:45,372 --> 00:16:47,707 -It's a codefendant? -Same arresting officers. 405 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:49,776 If Debbie was there, she might be able to tell us 406 00:16:49,809 --> 00:16:51,811 who the guy was. If she's still alive. 407 00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:54,081 Ah, ah, ah-- I found a Debbie Urmand. 408 00:16:54,114 --> 00:16:56,983 She manages a drag club called Medusa's Den. 409 00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:58,651 I think there's a slightly good chance 410 00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:00,487 that that is the same person. 411 00:17:01,521 --> 00:17:02,822 This is gonna be fun. 412 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:04,491 Can't wait. 413 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,993 * I don't want to lose you * 414 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:08,995 * This good thing * 415 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,164 * That I've got * 416 00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:13,666 * 'Cause if I do * 417 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,602 * I would surely * 418 00:17:15,635 --> 00:17:19,038 * Surely lose a lot * 419 00:17:19,072 --> 00:17:23,009 * 'Cause your love is better * 420 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:25,345 * Than any love I know * 421 00:17:25,378 --> 00:17:27,514 * It's like thunder * 422 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:29,516 * Lightning * 423 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:33,019 * The way you love me is frightening * 424 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,687 * You better knock, knock * 425 00:17:34,721 --> 00:17:35,955 (cheering) 426 00:17:35,988 --> 00:17:40,260 * On wood, baby * 427 00:17:40,293 --> 00:17:44,697 -* Whoo-ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo * -(cheering and whistling) 428 00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:49,035 * Baby, whoo-ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo * 429 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:52,172 * Think I better knock, knock, knock on wood * 430 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:54,974 * Think I better knock, knock, knock on wood * 431 00:17:55,007 --> 00:17:58,545 -That's her. -* Knock, knock, knock on wood * 432 00:17:58,578 --> 00:18:00,046 All right, let's go. 433 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,048 * Think I better knock, knock, knock... * 434 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:05,118 It was another world back then. 435 00:18:05,152 --> 00:18:06,786 You didn't show your true colors 436 00:18:06,819 --> 00:18:08,755 unless you were willing to pay the price. 437 00:18:08,788 --> 00:18:11,090 On the night of July 14, you were arrested 438 00:18:11,124 --> 00:18:12,892 with another woman, Vanessa Evans. 439 00:18:12,925 --> 00:18:16,196 -The police say you both attacked the victim. -Yeah, right-- 440 00:18:16,229 --> 00:18:19,899 we attacked him. Sure. 441 00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:21,768 I was working 442 00:18:21,801 --> 00:18:23,403 when Vanessa saw me on my corner 443 00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:25,071 and she came to say hi. 444 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:27,240 It wasn't but five minutes when some guy 445 00:18:27,274 --> 00:18:29,642 came out of nowhere, jumped us. 446 00:18:29,676 --> 00:18:32,612 So it was a stranger who attacked you? 447 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,414 Not someone Vanessa knew? 448 00:18:34,447 --> 00:18:36,616 That's right. Sh-She didn't know him. 449 00:18:37,650 --> 00:18:40,387 Do you remember anything about him? 450 00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:43,756 No. It was a long time ago. 451 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:45,758 And one of many. 452 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:49,529 You said you were working on your corner. 453 00:18:49,562 --> 00:18:50,597 Were you working working? 454 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:54,267 Only way to pay the bills, sweetheart. 455 00:18:54,301 --> 00:18:58,771 I couldn't pass... so I couldn't get a job. 456 00:18:58,805 --> 00:19:01,808 Some of the girls were lucky enough to find sugar daddies. 457 00:19:01,841 --> 00:19:03,276 Guys on the down-low... 458 00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:06,213 ...but not me. 459 00:19:06,246 --> 00:19:07,714 Vanessa had someone, right? 460 00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,817 Many. The straight boys loved her. 461 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:13,453 -Anyone around the time she was killed? -Oh, yeah. 462 00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:15,121 Sam Marshall. 463 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:17,790 He was obsessed with her. 464 00:19:17,824 --> 00:19:21,461 Lost it a little when she called it off. 465 00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:23,996 Big finance guys don't like to be told no. 466 00:19:26,032 --> 00:19:29,902 * Gotta knock, knock, knock on wood, yeah * 467 00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:33,072 * You gotta knock, knock, knock on lightning * 468 00:19:33,105 --> 00:19:34,541 BODIE: And I like that part. 469 00:19:34,574 --> 00:19:36,142 -* It's like thunder * -And-and I had fun. 470 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:37,977 -Hey! -Hey. 471 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:40,347 -Die of AIDS, faggots. -(screams) 472 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:43,483 (men whooping, laughing) 473 00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:45,151 Call the cops! 474 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:46,853 -Are you okay? -Someone call the police! 475 00:19:46,886 --> 00:19:49,722 (groaning) 476 00:19:49,756 --> 00:19:52,325 -(siren wailing) -You're not gonna need stitches. You got lucky. 477 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,160 An inch lower and you could've lost your eye. 478 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,463 (indistinct radio chatter) 479 00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:57,997 So you didn't get the license? 480 00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:00,767 No. It-it... Look, it all happened so fast. 481 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,335 Can you guys not check the neighborhood cameras, 482 00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:03,436 get their license plate? 483 00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:05,505 Yeah, we'll get right on that. 484 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,940 -You're not gonna do anything, are you? -Sir, please stay calm. 485 00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:10,443 -Listen, I'm not even gay and I'm pissed off. -Of course you're not, sir. 486 00:20:10,477 --> 00:20:13,780 -You're wasting your time getting angry. -Excuse me, sir. 487 00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:16,015 -We're taking a police report. -Can you at least show her some respect 488 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:17,216 and refer to her as ma'am? 489 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:19,286 And you'll refer to me as Officer Thompson. 490 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:21,187 All right, all right. We get it. You don't care. 491 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,222 Let's just get out of here. 492 00:20:30,897 --> 00:20:34,301 So I have a Sam Marshall of a Marshall Financial Group 493 00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:36,536 -on Michigan Avenue. -Is that the guy? 494 00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:39,639 -That looks like a DL sugar daddy. -And you would know? 495 00:20:39,672 --> 00:20:42,575 -I could be DL. I could never be a sugar daddy. -I believe that. 496 00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:43,710 -That I couldn't be a sugar daddy? -Yeah. 497 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:44,911 Because you don't have any money. 498 00:20:44,944 --> 00:20:46,846 (line ringing) 499 00:20:46,879 --> 00:20:48,881 WOMAN: Mr. Marshall's office. 500 00:20:48,915 --> 00:20:50,283 Hi, may I please speak to Sam Marshall? 501 00:20:50,317 --> 00:20:51,718 It's Madeline Scott calling 502 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:52,985 from the Injustice Defense Group. 503 00:20:53,019 --> 00:20:55,722 -It's a legal matter. -Hold, please. 504 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:58,391 SAM: Uh, this is Sam Marshall. 505 00:20:58,425 --> 00:21:01,060 Hi, Mr. Marshall. Uh, this is Madeline Scott. 506 00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:04,431 We have a few questions for you about Vanessa Evans. 507 00:21:04,464 --> 00:21:06,366 I don't know who that is. 508 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,536 We think you do. 509 00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:11,438 Don't contact me ever again. 510 00:21:11,471 --> 00:21:12,772 -(line clicks) -(whistles) 511 00:21:12,805 --> 00:21:15,475 I think someone just put "suspect" 512 00:21:15,508 --> 00:21:17,477 above their head in flashing lights. 513 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,090 (sniffles) 514 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:32,291 Isabel? 515 00:21:35,828 --> 00:21:37,163 Hey. 516 00:21:39,231 --> 00:21:42,234 -You okay? -Yeah, I'm fine. 517 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:46,038 Okay, maybe I'm not fine. 518 00:21:46,072 --> 00:21:49,275 But that's why we're here, right? 519 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:52,044 -Right. Right, yeah. -It's just... 520 00:21:52,078 --> 00:21:54,381 coming here, sometimes... (sniffles) 521 00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:56,315 makes me more sad. 522 00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:59,852 Yeah. 523 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,956 Why don't we do something not sad? 524 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:06,192 What do you mean? 525 00:22:07,259 --> 00:22:09,362 I don't know. 526 00:22:09,396 --> 00:22:11,297 Let's get out of here. 527 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,832 Come on. 528 00:22:22,509 --> 00:22:23,543 Sam Marshall? 529 00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:24,777 Hi, I'm Madeline Scott. 530 00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:25,912 We spoke on the phone. 531 00:22:25,945 --> 00:22:28,147 This is my partner, Easy Boudreau. 532 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:30,517 I asked you not to reach out to me. 533 00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:33,019 Crazy enough, that made us want to talk to you even more. 534 00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:35,354 -I don't have to talk to you. -Of course not. 535 00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:36,989 But if you don't, 536 00:22:37,023 --> 00:22:38,725 we'll ask your friends and coworkers 537 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,259 if they knew about your relationship with Vanessa. 538 00:22:40,292 --> 00:22:42,028 Probably more beneficial 539 00:22:42,061 --> 00:22:43,696 to talk to us directly, don't you think? 540 00:22:49,569 --> 00:22:51,571 (train passing nearby) 541 00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:04,717 It was very long ago. 542 00:23:04,751 --> 00:23:07,887 -Are you still married? -Wife passed away two years ago. 543 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,556 Pancreatic cancer. 544 00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:11,123 -Sorry to hear. -Thank you. 545 00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:13,225 I have children, I have grandchildren. 546 00:23:13,259 --> 00:23:17,363 I cannot have anyone find out about Vanessa. 547 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:19,566 We have no interest in exposing your personal life. 548 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:21,468 We're just trying to find out what happened to her. 549 00:23:21,501 --> 00:23:23,570 I have no idea what happened to her. 550 00:23:23,603 --> 00:23:26,405 I was in New York that night for work. 551 00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:29,208 I left that morning, which I can probably prove. 552 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,843 Came back the next day. 553 00:23:30,877 --> 00:23:32,545 I didn't even hear about her murder 554 00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:34,581 until the next week. 555 00:23:34,614 --> 00:23:36,749 We hadn't seen each other in months. 556 00:23:36,783 --> 00:23:38,551 We were told that you had. 557 00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:40,052 That she'd recently broken up with you 558 00:23:40,086 --> 00:23:41,554 and you were really upset about it. 559 00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:43,389 (scoffs) Please. 560 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:45,558 She didn't break up with me. I ended it. 561 00:23:45,592 --> 00:23:48,495 Okay? It was a very strange time in my life 562 00:23:48,528 --> 00:23:51,297 and it was 37 years ago. 563 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:53,566 So I hope that this was helpful 564 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,768 and I sincerely hope that I never see 565 00:23:55,802 --> 00:23:58,037 either of you ever again. 566 00:24:05,512 --> 00:24:07,547 I think he's lying. 567 00:24:09,782 --> 00:24:11,751 He wasn't lying. 568 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,119 He e-mailed us his credit card statements 569 00:24:13,152 --> 00:24:14,621 from 37 years ago. 570 00:24:14,654 --> 00:24:16,689 He says he kept them all for 45 years. 571 00:24:16,723 --> 00:24:18,991 -Only a finance guy would do that. -Yeah, and there were charges 572 00:24:19,025 --> 00:24:21,360 from New York City on the night of the murder. 573 00:24:21,393 --> 00:24:22,595 Which gives him a tight alibi. 574 00:24:22,629 --> 00:24:23,963 But that doesn't mean he didn't 575 00:24:23,996 --> 00:24:25,932 kill her that day before he left. 576 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,867 Plus, he could have falsified his credit card statements. 577 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,436 Also, someone else could have been using the card that night. 578 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,806 Exactly. But what's really, really interesting is... 579 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,143 these hospital charges from Mount Carmel ER. 580 00:24:37,176 --> 00:24:39,311 Two days after the murder. Check this out. 581 00:24:39,345 --> 00:24:40,780 He could have cut himself at the crime scene 582 00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:43,049 and then, a couple days later, the wound hasn't healed 583 00:24:43,082 --> 00:24:44,784 so he goes to the ER for stitches. 584 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:47,787 And if he killed Vanessa, then his blood 585 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,956 would've been the other one found at the crime scene. 586 00:24:49,989 --> 00:24:52,158 We should check to see if he's the rare AB negative. 587 00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:54,060 Let's do it. We'll get a court order, 588 00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:56,128 -subpoena his records. -All right, I definitely think 589 00:24:56,162 --> 00:24:58,330 that our stockbroker douchebag is the best bet. 590 00:24:58,364 --> 00:25:00,667 But I did find some really interesting information 591 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:04,070 about our bartender, Thomas Stone. 592 00:25:04,103 --> 00:25:06,038 Okay, so, he talked about how the trans community 593 00:25:06,072 --> 00:25:08,240 was always welcome at the Tulip, right? 594 00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:10,076 To quote Dick Cheney, "Big time." 595 00:25:10,109 --> 00:25:12,845 A safe haven where everyone could be themselves. 596 00:25:12,879 --> 00:25:14,581 Hmm. It was a haven, all right. 597 00:25:14,614 --> 00:25:16,716 A haven of anti-trans sentiment. 598 00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:18,618 Found a dozen quotes from Thomas back in the day, 599 00:25:18,651 --> 00:25:21,487 all of them distancing the gay community 600 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,755 from the trans community. 601 00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:25,491 Some of them, he even attacks Vanessa head-on. 602 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:26,993 In this one he says, uh, 603 00:25:27,026 --> 00:25:28,661 "She was a she-male that was the worst thing 604 00:25:28,695 --> 00:25:30,329 to happen to gay rights." 605 00:25:30,362 --> 00:25:31,831 Damn, that's harsh. 606 00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:33,766 Well, I think we need to talk to Thomas. 607 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,003 (rock music playing over speakers) 608 00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:38,504 I got us shots. 609 00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:40,439 Uh... 610 00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:42,575 -that's probably not a good idea. -Oh, come on. 611 00:25:42,609 --> 00:25:45,344 Just one shot. Remember, today's Don't Be Sad Day. 612 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:46,879 -(chuckles) -Mm-hmm. 613 00:25:46,913 --> 00:25:48,314 LEVI: Okay, one shot. 614 00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:52,184 -(grunts) -(exhales) 615 00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:53,452 Let's do another one. 616 00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:55,054 -Mm, no. -One more shot. 617 00:25:58,725 --> 00:26:00,693 Listening to your podcast, I had to wonder, 618 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,361 okay, so you're making these things, 619 00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:03,863 you're churning them out by yourself? 620 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,298 So, are you just, like, working all the time? 621 00:26:06,332 --> 00:26:07,767 Well, I throw myself into my work 622 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,368 because I barely have a personal life. 623 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:11,904 Seriously? Like, I would think, like, 624 00:26:11,938 --> 00:26:13,372 you're smart and you're idealistic 625 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,241 and you're attractive, like, I would just think 626 00:26:15,274 --> 00:26:17,443 men must throw themselves at you. 627 00:26:17,476 --> 00:26:18,945 Yeah, well... 628 00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:21,413 yeah, I guess I do all right. 629 00:26:21,447 --> 00:26:23,415 And what about you? 630 00:26:23,449 --> 00:26:24,984 Are you seeing someone? 631 00:26:25,017 --> 00:26:26,318 Oh, my God. Yes. 632 00:26:26,352 --> 00:26:28,254 You would love her. She is, like, 633 00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:30,823 very interesting all the time. 634 00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:33,025 She's incredible, she's incredible. 635 00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:36,228 -That's incredible. -(chuckles) 636 00:26:36,262 --> 00:26:38,397 That's, uh... (laughs) that's like that TV show. 637 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:39,832 That's Incredible!, it's like that. 638 00:26:39,866 --> 00:26:42,068 It's... That's... incredible. 639 00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:43,102 Uh, yeah, totally. 640 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:48,274 All right, so... Ira... 641 00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:50,977 ...why did you want to have dinner? 642 00:26:51,010 --> 00:26:52,244 Okay, it's very exciting. 643 00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:54,346 My team, we have this idea for a new podcast. 644 00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:56,515 It's criminal justice, it's very ambitious. 645 00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:58,450 And we think you would be the perfect host. 646 00:26:58,484 --> 00:27:01,587 I'm here to offer you a job. It would be your own show. 647 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,256 Wh... Uh... 648 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,793 I don't know what to say. That's-that's... 649 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:08,594 This would be a dream come true for me. 650 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:09,996 And we would get more listeners 651 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:12,364 -for Until Proven Innocent. -Oh, uh, this would be 652 00:27:12,398 --> 00:27:14,366 a full-time thing. I'm so sorry, you would... 653 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,435 you would have to quit Until Proven Innocent. 654 00:27:16,468 --> 00:27:18,204 You'd have to move to New York City. 655 00:27:18,237 --> 00:27:20,172 This could be a really big show. 656 00:27:21,207 --> 00:27:23,175 Yeah, but I don't think I can just... 657 00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:24,310 Just think about it, okay? 658 00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:26,445 This is a really big opportunity. 659 00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:27,847 Think about it. 660 00:27:29,581 --> 00:27:31,050 -I'll think about it. -Think about it. 661 00:27:31,083 --> 00:27:32,484 To that. 662 00:27:39,826 --> 00:27:41,127 Hi, Thomas. 663 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,995 -EASY: Hello. -Back so soon? 664 00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:45,631 We need to talk about the truth between you and Vanessa. 665 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,700 You said this was a place where everyone was accepted. 666 00:27:47,734 --> 00:27:49,736 You meant everyone but the trans community, right? 667 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:52,638 Because you're quoted all over articles from the '80s 668 00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:55,374 attacking them and Vanessa. 669 00:27:55,407 --> 00:27:58,477 Look, you got to understand what was going on back then. 670 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:01,213 Cops were raiding gay bars, beating us up. 671 00:28:01,247 --> 00:28:03,015 Stonewall didn't change how they treated us. 672 00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:05,985 So, we started a gay and lesbian alliance 673 00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:07,820 -to protect us. -And who was supposed 674 00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:09,388 to protect the trans community? 675 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,491 At the time, a lot of gay people felt that 676 00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:15,061 the trans community was holding us back 677 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:16,829 from equal rights. 678 00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:18,330 Straight people saw them as freaks 679 00:28:18,364 --> 00:28:20,666 and... so did some of us. 680 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,434 Believe me, I wish I could take it back. 681 00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:24,370 Did you and Vanessa have a fight before she died? 682 00:28:24,403 --> 00:28:26,272 Me and Ness argued every time we saw each other, 683 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:28,407 -but... -What were you arguing about? 684 00:28:29,475 --> 00:28:31,443 We got into it at the bar. 685 00:28:31,477 --> 00:28:33,946 She was yelling and throwing a fit. 686 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:36,415 She could be a real drama queen when she wanted to be. 687 00:28:36,448 --> 00:28:39,251 She was furious because we told her not to speak 688 00:28:39,285 --> 00:28:40,787 at a pride rally. 689 00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:43,756 I have been beaten, I've had my nose broken, 690 00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:45,524 I've been thrown in jail. 691 00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:47,693 I've lost my job for gay liberation. 692 00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:49,528 I've got as much right to speak at that rally 693 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:50,729 as anyone else does. 694 00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:51,931 I'm not going anywhere, Thomas, 695 00:28:51,964 --> 00:28:53,399 and if you think just for one second 696 00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:55,234 that we're gonna roll over and die, 697 00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:56,769 think again. 698 00:28:59,305 --> 00:29:02,074 That was the last time I ever saw her. 699 00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:04,110 What did you do after she left? 700 00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:05,711 I-I was here all night. 701 00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:08,380 And I got a dozen people who can testify to that. 702 00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:10,582 No one could ever forget the night Ness died, 703 00:29:10,616 --> 00:29:12,584 and we never will. 704 00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:15,454 Look, I hated Vanessa... 705 00:29:15,487 --> 00:29:17,556 back in the day. 706 00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,558 But I would never kill her. 707 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:21,560 -MADELINE: And why is that? -Because she was 708 00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:23,896 my sister-in-arms. 709 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:26,833 Even when I hated her, I loved her. 710 00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:28,267 And I always will. 711 00:29:35,441 --> 00:29:36,843 BODIE: Of course, we call it a Revolutionary War, 712 00:29:36,876 --> 00:29:39,245 but really, it's a civil war, if you think... 713 00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:40,913 Okay, so I've got bad news 714 00:29:40,947 --> 00:29:43,950 -and I've got bad news. What do you want first? -The bad news. 715 00:29:43,983 --> 00:29:45,918 Judge hates my guts, denied our motion for Sam Marshall's 716 00:29:45,952 --> 00:29:48,955 hospital records. She said it was a fishing expedition. 717 00:29:48,988 --> 00:29:51,790 -Okay, how about the bad news? -We don't have any other suspects. 718 00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:53,926 I don't buy Thomas did it. His motive's weak, 719 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,762 and he's got witnesses to corroborate his alibi. 720 00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:59,098 That brings us back to Sam Marshall, who also has an alibi. 721 00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:00,532 And he's definitely got motive. 722 00:30:00,566 --> 00:30:02,268 I agree. He's our best bet. 723 00:30:02,301 --> 00:30:04,103 And if his blood type is AB negative, 724 00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:06,105 -that might be enough to get Cindy out. -BODIE: Okay. 725 00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:07,539 So let's subpoena Sam Marshall, 726 00:30:07,573 --> 00:30:09,108 hammer it out of him on the stand. 727 00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:10,609 Yeah, but what if he testifies to being 728 00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:13,112 a different blood type? Then we're dead. 729 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,347 Or maybe there's another way we can get his blood type. 730 00:30:16,348 --> 00:30:17,583 Pray tell. 731 00:30:17,616 --> 00:30:20,119 It's not exactly legal, so maybe I shouldn't say anything. 732 00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:22,989 -I didn't hear that. -I never had this conversation. 733 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:26,959 -Boston Tea Party. -Hey. 734 00:30:26,993 --> 00:30:28,694 No, think about the Boston Tea Party. 735 00:30:28,727 --> 00:30:30,329 What are we dumping? Are we dumping coffee? 736 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,634 ISABEL: I know my own stuff is hard enough to deal with, 737 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:38,170 but I have no idea how you do it publicly. 738 00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:40,006 You're so resilient. 739 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,174 And that article... 740 00:30:42,208 --> 00:30:44,576 Does Madeline really think that you killed Rosemary? 741 00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:46,212 I don't know. 742 00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:51,650 I find it a bit ironic that... 743 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:54,320 that she thinks that I did it, but... 744 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:55,721 Why? 745 00:30:57,990 --> 00:31:01,227 * You've been forewarned... * 746 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:02,962 You can tell me. 747 00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,830 I won't say anything. 748 00:31:06,298 --> 00:31:08,034 Group code of silence. 749 00:31:11,603 --> 00:31:16,175 The night that-that Rosemary was killed, 750 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:19,578 before we even knew that she was dead, 751 00:31:19,611 --> 00:31:22,814 everybody's looking for her... 752 00:31:22,848 --> 00:31:25,051 except for Madeline. 753 00:31:25,084 --> 00:31:28,220 -What? -She was-she was just acting so strange. 754 00:31:28,254 --> 00:31:31,924 You know, like she was-she was high or something. 755 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:36,895 Just looking straight ahead in a haze. 756 00:31:42,701 --> 00:31:44,370 So she didn't help you look? 757 00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:46,038 No, that's the weird thing. 758 00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:47,974 Something was definitely wrong. 759 00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:52,911 Do you think that Madeline might have done something to Rosemary? 760 00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:56,715 No. 761 00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:59,385 I just never understood 762 00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:02,221 why she's acting so strange, you know? 763 00:32:02,254 --> 00:32:06,125 Before anybody even knew that-that Rosemary was killed. 764 00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:10,229 * Oh * 765 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:12,264 * You've been forewarned * 766 00:32:12,298 --> 00:32:15,001 * I get it my way... * 767 00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:17,169 This isn't exactly the "let's just be friends" pact 768 00:32:17,203 --> 00:32:18,404 we just made. 769 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:21,807 I know. I can't help it. 770 00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:26,645 Me neither. 771 00:32:26,678 --> 00:32:30,916 (indistinct announcement over P.A.) 772 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:34,820 Okay, we have to stop or they're gonna throw me out of here. 773 00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:36,955 No, they won't. I took care of it. 774 00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:41,760 (chuckles) You've always had this place wired. 775 00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,830 But maybe not for long. 776 00:32:44,863 --> 00:32:46,898 Why? What do you mean? 777 00:32:48,134 --> 00:32:51,270 My parole board hearing got set. 778 00:32:52,504 --> 00:32:54,106 My lawyer actually thinks I'm gonna have a shot 779 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,108 of getting out of here. 780 00:32:56,142 --> 00:32:57,943 (laughs softly) 781 00:32:57,976 --> 00:32:59,678 Wren, that's amazing. 782 00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:01,447 Is it? 783 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,115 Of course it is. 784 00:33:03,149 --> 00:33:05,451 Madeline... 785 00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:07,819 let's be real. 786 00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:10,156 Do you really see us together out there? 787 00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:13,225 Like, hanging with your pals, meeting your folks? 788 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:16,295 Yeah, I do. 789 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,664 Okay then. 790 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:22,668 How many people have you told about me? 791 00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,972 (scoffs) That's what I thought. 792 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,143 This thing we have between us-- 793 00:33:31,177 --> 00:33:32,978 it exists only in here. 794 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:34,846 I know on the outside 795 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,649 you hide this side of you. I'm not mad about it. 796 00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:40,252 I just... I don't want to be disappointed. 797 00:33:42,888 --> 00:33:44,923 I don't know what's gonna happen between us 798 00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:46,992 when you get out. 799 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:48,660 But can we worry about that later? 800 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:51,197 All that matters is that you get out of here. 801 00:33:53,199 --> 00:33:57,035 -Get out of here. -Okay. 802 00:34:01,507 --> 00:34:04,076 All of the students organized a search party. 803 00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:07,579 Everyone was looking. Everyone except for her. 804 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:11,350 I've been looking at this backwards. 805 00:34:11,383 --> 00:34:12,784 I always thought he killed her 806 00:34:12,818 --> 00:34:14,286 and that Madeline was his accomplice. 807 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,756 I never considered that she might've acted alone. 808 00:34:18,824 --> 00:34:20,559 So what now? 809 00:34:21,593 --> 00:34:23,061 Maybe... 810 00:34:24,796 --> 00:34:28,234 ...we make Levi Scott our star witness. 811 00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:37,809 (indistinct announcement over P.A.) 812 00:34:42,013 --> 00:34:43,615 Oh. Hi. 813 00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:46,084 Sorry. Um, I have a court order 814 00:34:46,118 --> 00:34:48,720 for the medical records of Samuel Marshall 815 00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:51,490 from September 17, 1982. 816 00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:54,226 This is not for Samuel Marshall. 817 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,027 This is for a Betsy Miers. 818 00:34:56,061 --> 00:34:58,897 Oh, my God, really? 819 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:02,434 I brought the wrong one, and I drove an hour to get here. 820 00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:05,571 You want to save me a two-hour drive? 821 00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:08,940 It's from 37 years ago. I don't even think he's still alive. 822 00:35:08,974 --> 00:35:10,609 Do you mind? 823 00:35:10,642 --> 00:35:12,744 I'll get you a coffee or a doughnut. 824 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,913 -(both chuckle) -All right, let me check. 825 00:35:22,188 --> 00:35:23,655 Excuse me? 826 00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:25,757 You gave me the wrong file. It's his wife's. 827 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:27,759 It's S. Marshall, 828 00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:29,795 but the "S" is for Sharon, not for Samuel. 829 00:35:29,828 --> 00:35:31,863 Okay, let me look again. 830 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,646 Mr. Marshall, can you describe your relationship 831 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:49,348 with Vanessa Evans? 832 00:35:49,381 --> 00:35:51,417 I wouldn't call it a relationship. 833 00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:52,618 What would you call it, then? 834 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,586 (sighs) 835 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:55,654 Please remember you're under oath. 836 00:35:55,687 --> 00:35:57,789 -We were friends. -As friends, 837 00:35:57,823 --> 00:36:01,460 were you having a sexual relationship with Vanessa? 838 00:36:01,493 --> 00:36:02,661 Objection. Leading the witness. 839 00:36:02,694 --> 00:36:05,130 Sustained. Ms. Scott, your point? 840 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:07,165 It's coming, Your Honor. 841 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:10,035 Mr. Marshall, what is your blood type? 842 00:36:10,068 --> 00:36:12,238 Objection. Relevance. 843 00:36:12,271 --> 00:36:13,705 Your Honor, my client was convicted 844 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:16,775 because her blood type is AB negative, the same blood type 845 00:36:16,808 --> 00:36:19,678 found at the scene of the crime. I think it's relevant to know 846 00:36:19,711 --> 00:36:21,947 what Mr. Marshall's blood type is. 847 00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:24,450 -Please answer the question. -Be happy to answer. 848 00:36:24,483 --> 00:36:26,885 My blood type is O positive. 849 00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:30,155 And do you happen to know the blood type of your wife? 850 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,458 What? 851 00:36:32,491 --> 00:36:35,627 Your wife. What was her blood type? 852 00:36:35,661 --> 00:36:39,365 -I... don't know. -Well, let me tell you. 853 00:36:39,398 --> 00:36:42,133 It was AB negative. 854 00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:44,670 The same blood type found at the crime scene. 855 00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:46,305 (gallery murmuring) 856 00:36:46,338 --> 00:36:48,173 It's also the rarest blood type in the world. 857 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:50,141 I would like to submit Petitioner's Exhibit A, 858 00:36:50,175 --> 00:36:52,644 a copy of Sharon Marshall's medical file 859 00:36:52,678 --> 00:36:55,146 proving that her blood type was AB negative. 860 00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:58,384 Mr. Marshall, did your wife murder Vanessa Evans? 861 00:36:58,417 --> 00:37:01,052 (gallery murmuring) 862 00:37:01,086 --> 00:37:03,822 My client has spent 37 years behind bars 863 00:37:03,855 --> 00:37:05,056 for a murder she didn't commit, 864 00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:06,592 so will you please tell this court the truth. 865 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,896 For once in your life, will you tell the truth? 866 00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:12,864 Your wife found out about the affair, didn't she? 867 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:15,901 Didn't she? 868 00:37:23,775 --> 00:37:26,244 When I came home from New York the next day, I... 869 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:31,249 ...found my wife sitting on the floor. 870 00:37:33,285 --> 00:37:35,186 She was covered in Vanessa's blood. 871 00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:37,756 (gallery gasping, murmuring) 872 00:37:37,789 --> 00:37:39,758 My wife was not a killer. 873 00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:41,727 Just that when she found out that I was... 874 00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:45,731 ...having an affair with... 875 00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,265 Vanessa... 876 00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,036 ...she snapped. 877 00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:54,540 And so you let Cindy Whitman take the fall for a murder 878 00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:56,575 that your wife was responsible for. 879 00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:00,245 You may as well have locked an innocent woman 880 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:01,480 in a cage yourself. 881 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:06,217 Your Honor, my client 882 00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:08,420 has lost her life over a lie. 883 00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:10,456 Can she please go home now? 884 00:38:15,594 --> 00:38:17,128 Ms. Whitman, 885 00:38:17,162 --> 00:38:19,931 based on the newly-discovered evidence presented here today, 886 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:22,701 it is clear that the State of Illinois owes you an apology. 887 00:38:22,734 --> 00:38:25,371 This court hereby declares you 888 00:38:25,404 --> 00:38:27,072 actually innocent. 889 00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:29,508 (gallery cheering) 890 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:35,481 Does this mean I get my hormones now? 891 00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:36,982 Yes, it does. 892 00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:47,092 You're gonna be okay out there. 893 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:51,162 VIOLET: Sometimes it's terrifying to show who we are 894 00:38:51,196 --> 00:38:53,599 to the world, but if we keep our true identity 895 00:38:53,632 --> 00:38:56,301 a secret, it can mutate 896 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:59,771 and form a disease that can kill you... 897 00:38:59,805 --> 00:39:03,642 or, even worse, the people around you. 898 00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:06,745 We have to be true to ourselves, 899 00:39:06,778 --> 00:39:08,647 or we could end up hurting 900 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,816 the people we love most. 901 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:16,121 -Ira, hi. -Hey. So? 902 00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:18,957 Um, I've been thinking about your job offer a lot. 903 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:22,027 -Great. What do you think? -Have a seat. 904 00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:25,464 -Okay. -So I would be 905 00:39:25,497 --> 00:39:28,967 totally lying if I didn't say that working for you 906 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,369 would be a dream come true. 907 00:39:31,403 --> 00:39:33,672 But if I'm being honest, 908 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:35,874 I'm already living my dream. 909 00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:37,709 I'm a wrongful conviction advocate, 910 00:39:37,743 --> 00:39:40,345 I am a investigator, 911 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,681 it turns out I'm a truth seeker. 912 00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:44,850 I think that I only do the podcast 913 00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:47,218 so that I can shine a light on the issues, 914 00:39:47,252 --> 00:39:49,655 -not so that I can be famous. -Yeah. 915 00:39:49,688 --> 00:39:51,322 I want to stay here, on the ground, 916 00:39:51,356 --> 00:39:53,859 working to get innocent people released, 917 00:39:53,892 --> 00:39:56,194 because that is my purpose. 918 00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:59,330 -I hope you can understand that. -I do, I mean, 919 00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:01,667 I do, totally. I mean, 920 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,702 sort of. I mean, it's totally great. 921 00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:05,871 Like, this is your life's purpose. 922 00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:08,073 But maybe a big mistake? Like, from my perspective, like, 923 00:40:08,106 --> 00:40:11,009 I don't know, maybe you're making a big, terrible mistake. 924 00:40:11,042 --> 00:40:14,179 I don't know. But you need to do what you need to do, 925 00:40:14,212 --> 00:40:17,248 and so, I-I respect that that's what you need to do, 926 00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:19,918 so, um, so good luck. 927 00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:21,386 -Thanks. -Yeah. 928 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,421 Obviously, from this point forward, you know, 929 00:40:23,455 --> 00:40:26,758 our podcasts-- we're enemies and all, so... 930 00:40:26,792 --> 00:40:28,226 You know I'm kidding, right? 931 00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,029 -I do. -Like, seriously, good luck. 932 00:40:31,062 --> 00:40:32,263 -Thanks. -Okay. 933 00:40:41,006 --> 00:40:42,307 (knocking) 934 00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,410 Did you tell him you're not gonna do it? 935 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:46,945 Yeah. 936 00:40:48,146 --> 00:40:50,215 Am I making a terrible mistake? 937 00:40:50,248 --> 00:40:52,217 Eh... 938 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,219 I mean, 939 00:40:54,252 --> 00:40:56,221 I'm sure you would've had a great time hobnobbing 940 00:40:56,254 --> 00:40:57,689 with the New York City elite 941 00:40:57,723 --> 00:40:59,758 and eating at the best restaurants in the world, 942 00:40:59,791 --> 00:41:03,662 living your life like a joyous 1950s movie montage, 943 00:41:03,695 --> 00:41:06,665 but if you did all that, guess who wouldn't be there? 944 00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:11,302 -You. (chuckles) -That's right, this guy. 945 00:41:11,336 --> 00:41:14,105 Yeah, I want you here, 946 00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:15,974 but this firm needs you here. 947 00:41:16,007 --> 00:41:18,076 And as the chairman of the board said, 948 00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:19,811 "Chicago is my kind of town." 949 00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:22,447 It's my kind of town, too. 950 00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:27,819 ("My Kind of Town" by Julie London playing) 951 00:41:27,853 --> 00:41:29,755 (indistinct conversations) 952 00:41:29,788 --> 00:41:34,159 * My kind of town * 953 00:41:34,192 --> 00:41:37,428 * Chicago is * 954 00:41:37,462 --> 00:41:40,832 * My kind of town * 955 00:41:40,866 --> 00:41:44,435 * Chicago is * 956 00:41:44,469 --> 00:41:47,438 * My kind * 957 00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:49,775 * Of people, too * 958 00:41:49,808 --> 00:41:51,943 * People who... * 959 00:41:51,977 --> 00:41:53,411 How you doing, Cindy? 960 00:41:53,444 --> 00:41:54,680 * Smile at you... * 961 00:41:54,713 --> 00:41:56,682 I shouldn't even be here. 962 00:41:56,715 --> 00:41:58,784 I should be dead, too. 963 00:41:58,817 --> 00:42:01,352 We all lost so much in the fire, 964 00:42:01,386 --> 00:42:03,421 but we're still here. 965 00:42:03,454 --> 00:42:06,291 You finally down for us girls now? 966 00:42:06,324 --> 00:42:09,127 I am so sorry, Cindy. 967 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,630 We were so consumed trying to protect ourselves, 968 00:42:11,663 --> 00:42:14,499 we lost sight of what the fight was about. 969 00:42:16,501 --> 00:42:18,637 It's okay, sweetie. 970 00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:22,307 It's time for all of us queens to move on. 971 00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:24,242 Welcome home, Cindy. 972 00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:33,484 * My kind of town * 973 00:42:33,518 --> 00:42:36,187 * Chicago is * 974 00:42:37,422 --> 00:42:40,859 * My kind of town * 975 00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:43,662 * Chicago is * 976 00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:46,898 * My kind * 977 00:42:46,932 --> 00:42:50,736 * Of razzmatazz * 978 00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:54,572 * And it has all that jazz... * 979 00:42:54,606 --> 00:42:56,007 HELEN: Hey, Maddie. 980 00:42:56,041 --> 00:42:59,177 -Hi, Mom. How are you? -I'm good, how are you? 981 00:42:59,210 --> 00:43:00,846 I'm good. 982 00:43:00,879 --> 00:43:03,214 I just called to tell you that I'm bisexual 983 00:43:03,248 --> 00:43:04,750 and I'm dating a woman. 984 00:43:06,752 --> 00:43:08,553 -Mom? -Um... 985 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:12,357 th-that's very interesting. When can we meet her? 986 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:14,559 That's a bit tricky because she's in prison, 987 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,594 but she might be paroled soon. 988 00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:21,566 Mom? 989 00:43:23,001 --> 00:43:25,003 Mom? 990 00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:28,373 * There's a shadow in everybody's front door * 991 00:43:28,406 --> 00:43:30,241 * And I am her * 992 00:43:30,275 --> 00:43:32,243 * I am her... * 993 00:43:34,212 --> 00:43:37,548 * There's a dark cloud in everybody's sunlight * 994 00:43:37,582 --> 00:43:39,250 * And I am her * 995 00:43:39,284 --> 00:43:42,220 * I am her * 996 00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:45,056 * Oh, no * 997 00:43:45,090 --> 00:43:48,727 * I am her * 998 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,798 * All that glitters isn't gold * 999 00:43:52,831 --> 00:43:56,567 * At least that's what I've been told * 1000 00:43:56,601 --> 00:44:00,405 * I got so many issues and problems that I go through * 1001 00:44:00,438 --> 00:44:03,141 * Sometimes I can't sleep at night * 1002 00:44:03,174 --> 00:44:06,978 * If I hide my face... * 1003 00:44:07,012 --> 00:44:08,980 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH 1004 00:44:11,116 --> 00:44:13,118 You've seen the fight for justice on Proven Innocent. 1005 00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:15,520 Now here are a few more shows to check out from Fox. 1006 00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:20,558 Rule number one if you want to stay alive. 1007 00:44:20,591 --> 00:44:22,460 Don't lie to your doctor. 1008 00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:25,630 * Show me how to come alive * 1009 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:28,700 -Profits over patients, again. -You save your morality lesson. 1010 00:44:28,734 --> 00:44:30,101 -WOMAN: You have to save him! -(long tone) 1011 00:44:30,135 --> 00:44:32,170 -(coughs) -Be careful. 1012 00:44:32,203 --> 00:44:34,239 -You tried to kill him. -I had no choice! 1013 00:44:34,272 --> 00:44:37,542 -(siren wailing) -* Let me know I'm not alone * 1014 00:44:38,209 --> 00:44:39,610 Shall we? 1015 00:44:39,644 --> 00:44:42,447 * Show me how to come alive * 1016 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,717 ANNOUNCER: The Resident, all new, Mondays at 8:00 on Fox. 1017 00:44:48,153 --> 00:44:49,320 (bell clangs) 1018 00:44:49,354 --> 00:44:51,189 MAN: As they began their hours of duty... 1019 00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:55,393 -(bell clangs) -it was a bell that started it off. 1020 00:44:56,561 --> 00:44:59,130 Each alarm was sounded by a bell... 1021 00:44:59,164 --> 00:45:01,867 -(bell clangs) -that called them to place their lives in jeopardy... 1022 00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,003 -(bell clangs) -for the good of their fellow man. 1023 00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:07,638 -(bell ringing faster) -When the alarm had come to an end, 1024 00:45:07,672 --> 00:45:10,375 the bell rang, to signal that end. 1025 00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:12,811 -(phone dialing) -OPERATOR: 9-1-1? 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