1 00:00:53,530 --> 00:00:56,250 ♪ All we do is hide away 2 00:00:57,650 --> 00:01:00,849 ♪ All we do is, All we do is hide away 3 00:01:00,850 --> 00:01:03,730 ♪ All we do is lie in wait 4 00:01:05,210 --> 00:01:08,729 ♪ All we do is, All we do is lie in wait 5 00:01:08,730 --> 00:01:12,409 ♪ I've been upside-down 6 00:01:12,410 --> 00:01:16,209 ♪ I don't wanna be the right way round. 7 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:19,770 ♪ Can't find paradise on the ground ♪ 8 00:01:35,764 --> 00:01:38,644 Ah, Mrs Slater. If you'd like to follow me... 9 00:01:45,524 --> 00:01:47,203 Mr Slater? Yeah. 10 00:01:47,204 --> 00:01:49,723 Er, both of us, we're her sons. 11 00:01:49,724 --> 00:01:51,523 I wanted to tell you what's happening. 12 00:01:51,524 --> 00:01:53,163 Your mother's being released now 13 00:01:53,164 --> 00:01:55,563 and has been bailed to return here in a month. OK. 14 00:01:55,564 --> 00:01:58,363 And so, has she been charged with anything, or...? 15 00:01:58,364 --> 00:02:01,123 No, not yet. Right. I see. 16 00:02:01,124 --> 00:02:04,643 And, my father... Is-Is he...? What's happening there? 17 00:02:04,644 --> 00:02:06,763 Your father went before a magistrate's court 18 00:02:06,764 --> 00:02:10,763 a couple of hours ago and was then transferred to East Bridge Prison. 19 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:14,004 He's being held in remand after being charged with two murders. 20 00:02:14,207 --> 00:02:16,287 No. Has he confessed? 21 00:02:16,287 --> 00:02:18,406 All I can tell you, I'm afraid. 22 00:02:18,407 --> 00:02:21,446 He... killed two people? 23 00:02:21,447 --> 00:02:23,606 Like I said, that's all I know at the moment. 24 00:02:23,607 --> 00:02:27,166 So... I think what would be best 25 00:02:27,167 --> 00:02:29,607 is if you just took your mum home. 26 00:02:30,647 --> 00:02:32,326 All right, Mrs Slater? 27 00:02:32,327 --> 00:02:34,607 Oh, Matthew, I've been so scared. 28 00:02:34,607 --> 00:02:36,246 It's Les, Mum. 29 00:02:36,247 --> 00:02:38,167 Um, the car's outside. 30 00:02:41,567 --> 00:02:43,567 Mr Slater? 31 00:02:44,727 --> 00:02:46,326 In cases like this, 32 00:02:46,327 --> 00:02:50,086 it might be worth trying to find somewhere quiet for a few days to take everyone. 33 00:02:50,087 --> 00:02:52,206 Till the papers and TV settle down a bit. 34 00:02:52,207 --> 00:02:55,407 It's not... gonna be easy for you. 35 00:03:00,527 --> 00:03:03,806 A witness saw a man's car leaving at four in the morning. 36 00:03:03,807 --> 00:03:06,286 He drove there in his own car? 37 00:03:06,287 --> 00:03:08,926 He says he parked half a mile away but, er... 38 00:03:08,927 --> 00:03:10,726 Where is he now? 39 00:03:10,727 --> 00:03:14,007 He just rang me from the police station. 40 00:03:15,247 --> 00:03:16,847 But it's fine. 41 00:03:17,607 --> 00:03:20,966 If they do link the fire to him, he's not going to name anyone. 42 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:23,446 As long as we can look after his family. 43 00:03:23,447 --> 00:03:26,007 He has a wife, two kids. 44 00:03:27,287 --> 00:03:29,047 How much? 45 00:03:29,727 --> 00:03:31,366 Two million. 46 00:03:31,367 --> 00:03:33,727 And how much of that are you getting? 47 00:03:34,647 --> 00:03:38,167 Or he just gives them your name and gets a reduced sentence. 48 00:03:39,287 --> 00:03:41,007 I know people, Asil. 49 00:03:42,327 --> 00:03:44,926 The only reason I didn't go to them to deal with Fenwick 50 00:03:44,927 --> 00:03:47,007 is cos I thought the police was watching me. 51 00:03:49,247 --> 00:03:51,247 But they're not watching me now. 52 00:04:01,327 --> 00:04:03,607 You knew what I was when you married me. 53 00:04:11,287 --> 00:04:13,327 In fact, you liked it. 54 00:04:17,487 --> 00:04:21,126 You should have called, Dad. I would've come and picked you up. 55 00:04:21,127 --> 00:04:22,807 No, it's all right. 56 00:04:23,847 --> 00:04:25,687 Bus came almost immediately. 57 00:04:27,687 --> 00:04:29,646 What did the police say? 58 00:04:29,647 --> 00:04:31,607 Oh, they were very nice. 59 00:04:32,847 --> 00:04:36,367 They said that... that, perhaps, if I offered to pay it all back... 60 00:04:37,407 --> 00:04:40,167 ..then... I might escape a custodial sentence. 61 00:04:41,407 --> 00:04:43,286 I might need a day or two. 62 00:04:43,287 --> 00:04:45,167 Sort things out with Grace. 63 00:04:46,407 --> 00:04:48,047 And the girls. 64 00:04:49,087 --> 00:04:50,847 And the church. 65 00:04:52,727 --> 00:04:54,367 Lots to sort out. 66 00:04:58,407 --> 00:05:00,046 Excuse me, mate. 67 00:05:00,047 --> 00:05:02,406 Sorry, but have you seen this woman on the paper? 68 00:05:02,407 --> 00:05:04,606 There's a number there as well, mate. 69 00:05:04,607 --> 00:05:07,166 Thanks. Thanks very much. 70 00:05:07,167 --> 00:05:09,447 Cheers. Ta-ta. You're welcome. 71 00:05:12,447 --> 00:05:14,927 Come on, mate. We're both exhausted. 72 00:05:16,007 --> 00:05:17,606 Let's go home and get some rest. 73 00:05:17,607 --> 00:05:20,127 No, you can stop if you want to. I'm staying. 74 00:05:21,247 --> 00:05:22,927 Excuse me. 75 00:05:24,087 --> 00:05:26,287 Have you seen this woman on your travels? 76 00:05:28,327 --> 00:05:32,567 You still say you didn't kill them, but you know who did? 77 00:05:33,567 --> 00:05:35,247 Yes. 78 00:05:36,847 --> 00:05:38,647 And are you gonna tell us? 79 00:05:39,727 --> 00:05:41,327 Yes. 80 00:05:43,487 --> 00:05:48,767 I-I-I want to be moved to a prison near my boy, Leslie. 81 00:05:50,007 --> 00:05:52,006 And I want a doctor. 82 00:05:52,007 --> 00:05:54,087 I-I don't feel, um... 83 00:05:55,127 --> 00:05:56,726 I don't feel well. 84 00:05:56,727 --> 00:05:59,246 Well, we can certainly look into all that, Eric. 85 00:05:59,247 --> 00:06:01,046 But first we need a name. 86 00:06:01,047 --> 00:06:02,967 What? 87 00:06:04,047 --> 00:06:05,966 I'm sure you understand this. 88 00:06:05,967 --> 00:06:09,366 It might look like you're just... you're just making things up. 89 00:06:09,367 --> 00:06:12,527 Just, um, toying with us. 90 00:06:15,167 --> 00:06:17,647 Y-Y-You get me what I've asked for... 91 00:06:18,727 --> 00:06:20,567 ..and then I'll tell you. 92 00:06:31,727 --> 00:06:33,326 What do you think? 93 00:06:33,327 --> 00:06:36,206 I think I'm struggling very hard not to punch him in the face. 94 00:06:36,207 --> 00:06:39,126 You think it's bollocks? Yeah. I think it's bollocks. 95 00:06:39,127 --> 00:06:41,646 Except whatever name he gives us... Which he won't. 96 00:06:41,647 --> 00:06:45,206 It would be easy enough to discount very quickly, so what's the point? 97 00:06:45,207 --> 00:06:47,126 You said it. 98 00:06:47,127 --> 00:06:48,886 He's yanking our chain. 99 00:06:48,887 --> 00:06:50,566 Having a bit of fun. 100 00:06:50,567 --> 00:06:53,846 He's had all this... this power for the last 40 years, 101 00:06:53,847 --> 00:06:55,486 this secret only he's known. 102 00:06:55,487 --> 00:06:58,007 And now, now it's all gone. 103 00:06:59,247 --> 00:07:03,646 Now all he's got to look forward to is dying in some pissy prison cell 104 00:07:03,647 --> 00:07:06,927 with East End Arthur to hold his hand. 105 00:07:08,647 --> 00:07:10,367 I just... 106 00:07:11,607 --> 00:07:14,927 Last night, after we charged him, I sat in my office and I... 107 00:07:17,607 --> 00:07:19,207 Oh, I dunno. 108 00:07:20,567 --> 00:07:22,567 It just felt wrong. 109 00:07:23,527 --> 00:07:25,206 Of course it did. 110 00:07:25,207 --> 00:07:27,086 We wanted him to admit it. 111 00:07:27,087 --> 00:07:30,406 We wanted him to look us in the eye 112 00:07:30,407 --> 00:07:33,926 and tell us that our work had made it impossible for him to lie. 113 00:07:33,927 --> 00:07:37,687 So we could go to Maureen Sullivan and tell her that he'd confessed. 114 00:07:39,007 --> 00:07:43,047 Unfortunately, people like Eric Slater... don't give a toss about stuff like that. 115 00:07:48,087 --> 00:07:49,847 Yeah, I think you're right. 116 00:07:51,527 --> 00:07:54,407 But, let's, um, just call his bluff, anyway. 117 00:07:55,527 --> 00:07:57,326 Then see what he says. 118 00:07:57,327 --> 00:07:59,087 What do you think? 119 00:08:00,807 --> 00:08:03,167 I reckon you're gonna do whatever you want to do. 120 00:08:06,167 --> 00:08:09,046 Um, we need to see the Governor, please. Thank you. 121 00:08:09,047 --> 00:08:11,886 ON TV: Police investigating the James Sullivan murder case 122 00:08:11,887 --> 00:08:14,286 have arrested and charged a man... 123 00:08:14,287 --> 00:08:16,646 ..with two counts of murder. The arrests... 124 00:08:16,647 --> 00:08:19,046 It's one of our rentals, but it's vacant at the moment 125 00:08:19,047 --> 00:08:22,366 and it's in the middle of nowhere. I'll text you the address. 126 00:08:22,367 --> 00:08:24,407 Bring Mum, obviously. 127 00:08:43,527 --> 00:08:45,247 Oh, no. 128 00:08:54,327 --> 00:08:56,206 She's in theatre. 129 00:08:56,207 --> 00:08:58,326 They're doing an emergency Caesarean. 130 00:08:58,327 --> 00:09:00,486 Oh. 131 00:09:00,487 --> 00:09:02,926 What is it? What-What caused it? 132 00:09:02,927 --> 00:09:06,887 Is it connected in any way to stress, or perhaps...? 133 00:09:07,967 --> 00:09:09,567 They said not. 134 00:09:11,967 --> 00:09:13,567 All right. 135 00:09:15,727 --> 00:09:17,887 Can I wait with you? 136 00:09:18,927 --> 00:09:21,527 If Mum comes out, I think you ought to wait in the cafe. 137 00:09:22,607 --> 00:09:24,607 Of course. 138 00:09:38,087 --> 00:09:40,326 Excuse me. We're looking for a missing person. 139 00:09:40,327 --> 00:09:42,687 If you see her, can you give us a call? Yeah. Sure. 140 00:09:43,647 --> 00:09:46,406 Hey! I saw her yesterday. 141 00:09:46,407 --> 00:09:48,166 Where? 142 00:09:48,167 --> 00:09:49,806 Here. 143 00:09:49,807 --> 00:09:51,527 Well... W-Was she OK? 144 00:09:52,767 --> 00:09:54,366 Was she? 145 00:09:54,367 --> 00:09:56,407 I'm really sorry, mate - Just tell me. 146 00:09:58,007 --> 00:09:59,767 She jumped. 147 00:10:04,647 --> 00:10:06,447 What is it? Ah. 148 00:10:07,927 --> 00:10:09,527 Oh... 149 00:10:11,647 --> 00:10:13,286 No. 150 00:10:13,287 --> 00:10:15,167 No! 151 00:10:29,847 --> 00:10:31,487 Does she know about us? 152 00:10:36,207 --> 00:10:37,967 Yes. 153 00:10:40,247 --> 00:10:46,647 And, you know... she's always wanted me to tell you about her. 154 00:10:48,327 --> 00:10:49,927 Erm... 155 00:10:51,527 --> 00:10:55,607 How involved in... in her life were you? 156 00:10:58,007 --> 00:11:01,767 How often did you... do you see her? 157 00:11:03,967 --> 00:11:05,566 Once a week. 158 00:11:05,567 --> 00:11:07,607 Sometimes twice. 159 00:11:09,007 --> 00:11:12,967 For nearly four decades, you've seen this woman twice a week? 160 00:11:12,967 --> 00:11:16,126 My daughter, yes. 161 00:11:16,127 --> 00:11:18,486 That's more than you saw us. 162 00:11:18,487 --> 00:11:20,526 Yes. 163 00:11:20,527 --> 00:11:23,247 I wasn't as present for you as I should have been. 164 00:11:24,487 --> 00:11:26,767 I completely accept that. 165 00:11:28,087 --> 00:11:33,167 At some level, I was also scared... 166 00:11:34,727 --> 00:11:39,487 ..that if I got too close you'd see me, the real me... 167 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:42,486 ..and that was wrong. 168 00:11:42,487 --> 00:11:46,087 And I'll regret the choices I made for the rest of my life. 169 00:11:49,167 --> 00:11:51,687 Baby's fine. Oh, Mum! 170 00:11:53,527 --> 00:11:55,326 Four pounds, one ounce. 171 00:11:55,327 --> 00:11:57,366 Ah, Caroline's in recovery. 172 00:11:57,367 --> 00:12:00,607 The baby's in the special care unit. She'd like to see you. OK. 173 00:12:05,967 --> 00:12:08,407 We should be so happy, Robert. 174 00:12:09,647 --> 00:12:11,647 Our first grandchild. 175 00:12:30,727 --> 00:12:35,366 Ah, so, er, we can get you into a prison 176 00:12:35,367 --> 00:12:38,007 which is, um, half an hour from your son's home. 177 00:12:39,047 --> 00:12:41,006 It has a good psychiatric department, 178 00:12:41,007 --> 00:12:42,926 where we can get you properly assessed. 179 00:12:42,927 --> 00:12:46,366 Make sure you're getting the right help, if you co-operate with us now. 180 00:12:46,367 --> 00:12:50,087 If you start asking for other stuff, um, this dialogue ends. 181 00:12:51,207 --> 00:12:55,167 The process continues to trial and... trust me... 182 00:12:56,687 --> 00:13:00,607 ..on the evidence we have, you will be convicted. 183 00:13:02,367 --> 00:13:04,967 So, um, it is time to talk. 184 00:13:04,967 --> 00:13:07,247 Do you wanna...? 185 00:13:08,887 --> 00:13:10,886 Resuming interview with Eric Slater. 186 00:13:10,887 --> 00:13:14,847 DCI Stuart, DS Khan, Duty Solicitor Elise Hughes. 187 00:13:15,887 --> 00:13:18,047 Time is... Er, it's 10:17. 188 00:13:27,287 --> 00:13:28,967 It was Claire. 189 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:35,767 I'm sorry. Can you say that again? Because I didn't hear you. 190 00:13:36,807 --> 00:13:39,247 I said it was Claire, my wife. 191 00:13:42,807 --> 00:13:44,807 It was Claire. 192 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:59,470 I met Claire at Hunter and Regis in 1969. 193 00:13:59,470 --> 00:14:02,589 They-They made air conditioning units. 194 00:14:02,590 --> 00:14:07,949 I worked in accounts and, um, she was... she was in the typing pool. 195 00:14:07,950 --> 00:14:11,309 I-I'd never been very good with the ladies. 196 00:14:11,310 --> 00:14:15,509 But I always felt very relaxed around her. 197 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:17,790 We found the same things funny. 198 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:24,070 Always had plenty to talk about and one day, she just asked me out. 199 00:14:25,150 --> 00:14:27,910 A bit unconventional, but I didn't mind. 200 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:33,270 Our first date was at the Locarno, in Queen's Park. 201 00:14:34,430 --> 00:14:37,029 We kissed outside 202 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:41,990 and I bought us saveloy and chips from a takeaway in Townmead Road. 203 00:14:43,870 --> 00:14:47,909 Yeah, we courted for, er, a year or so 204 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:51,189 and then got married, before we moved to Dollis Hill. 205 00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:53,869 That's where I got the job at, er, Arlingham House 206 00:14:53,870 --> 00:14:56,430 which was, er, which was round the corner. 207 00:14:57,470 --> 00:15:01,029 1971, er, that was. 208 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:06,789 Yes, she-she wanted kids im-immediately 209 00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:10,189 because, you know, we were neither of us spring chickens. 210 00:15:10,190 --> 00:15:14,630 Which, I did too, very much. 211 00:15:17,870 --> 00:15:19,870 But there was a problem. 212 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:25,869 Which I think she always knew about in her heart 213 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:28,509 and-and, er, hoped would changed. 214 00:15:28,510 --> 00:15:32,230 And, er, I wanted it to change. 215 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:37,550 I wanted it to change, but it wouldn't. 216 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:40,589 I couldn't. 217 00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:42,310 What problem? 218 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:48,710 I liked men. 219 00:15:50,630 --> 00:15:52,470 I didn't want to. 220 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:55,590 I absolutely didn't want to. 221 00:15:56,910 --> 00:15:58,749 Just how I was. 222 00:15:58,750 --> 00:16:04,030 You liked men and women, or just...? 223 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:07,989 I loved my wife. I mean, I still do. Very much. 224 00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:12,469 And obviously, I was able to, er, you know... We had two boys. 225 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:14,989 But, right from when I was a kid, 226 00:16:14,990 --> 00:16:19,190 I just had this thing inside of me that made me... 227 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:23,389 ..want to be with men. Men like Paul West? 228 00:16:23,390 --> 00:16:26,550 I never wanted to hurt West. 229 00:16:27,830 --> 00:16:32,270 He asked me to rough him up a bit. 230 00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:35,869 Some men seem to like that. 231 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:38,749 And Jimmy? And Nicholas? 232 00:16:38,750 --> 00:16:41,429 Well, Jimmy, he just wanted money. 233 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:44,910 Nicholas, I-I met in the pub. 234 00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:50,150 And how did they die? 235 00:16:55,230 --> 00:16:57,390 I-I would never have hurt Jimmy. 236 00:16:58,550 --> 00:17:00,269 I loved him. 237 00:17:00,270 --> 00:17:02,110 I'd never have hurt him. 238 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:07,030 I'm sorry. 239 00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:10,430 I'm so sorry. 240 00:17:19,310 --> 00:17:23,190 I think we might need five minutes. 241 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:26,149 Five minutes. No more, please. 242 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:28,309 We're taking a short break in the interview. 243 00:17:28,310 --> 00:17:31,190 Time is... It's 10:41. Would you...? 244 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:36,669 You gotta hand it to the man. 245 00:17:36,670 --> 00:17:38,670 He is smart as fuck. 246 00:17:39,910 --> 00:17:41,909 If you're going to blame somebody else, 247 00:17:41,910 --> 00:17:44,669 then choose a woman whose memory is completely shot 248 00:17:44,670 --> 00:17:46,789 and can't even deny it. 249 00:17:46,790 --> 00:17:48,470 His face, though. 250 00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:52,070 What? 251 00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:56,469 It was the same as in his house when we asked him about Paul West. 252 00:17:56,470 --> 00:18:01,430 And last night at the station, when we said we were gonna charge him. 253 00:18:03,670 --> 00:18:05,670 When he said it wasn't him. 254 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:11,389 And now I know why I felt so crap afterwards. 255 00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:13,269 Why? 256 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:15,190 Because I believed him. 257 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:20,150 You call the station. 258 00:18:21,910 --> 00:18:24,070 We need to re-arrest Claire Slater. 259 00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:33,869 Yeah, but, I-I-I thought the CPS said that we could...? 260 00:18:33,870 --> 00:18:36,029 Yeah, yeah. Which one of the sons took her? 261 00:18:36,030 --> 00:18:38,510 Um, er, I'm not sure. 262 00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:40,869 I'll... I'll call their homes. 263 00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:42,910 OK. 264 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:46,309 Mr Wilton? 265 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:47,950 Yes. 266 00:18:48,990 --> 00:18:50,989 Your wife was pulled out of the river. 267 00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:53,070 A passerby jumped in. 268 00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:56,149 She was unconscious when she came out 269 00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:58,309 and was taken immediately to St Thomas'. 270 00:18:58,310 --> 00:19:00,229 I'm afraid that's all I know. 271 00:19:00,230 --> 00:19:01,909 Murray? 272 00:19:01,910 --> 00:19:06,429 Have we got mobile numbers for the sons? I dunno, maybe. 273 00:19:06,430 --> 00:19:08,269 Why, are neither of them at the house? 274 00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:11,149 No. I'm not sure they will be for a few days. 275 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,829 I thought we were done with her 276 00:19:12,830 --> 00:19:16,710 and I kind of told them they might want to lie low for a week or so. 277 00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:36,109 I'd-I'd stayed late, er, to-to see him, er, Jimmy, again. 278 00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:38,870 And, er, she must've just guessed. 279 00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:44,069 I think she always knew when I was, er, well... 280 00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:48,030 This-This one time, she-she came to find me. 281 00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:55,710 And what you need to know... is she wasn't well, mentally. 282 00:19:56,710 --> 00:20:00,509 Er, we'd just had Leslie and ever since she'd been, oh! 283 00:20:00,510 --> 00:20:05,629 Well, phew, ve-very s... very sick. 284 00:20:05,630 --> 00:20:07,669 And, of course, in those days, the doctors, 285 00:20:07,670 --> 00:20:10,469 they just told you to pull yourself together. 286 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:14,190 You know? So, she never, never got any... any help. 287 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:20,549 And I never s... I never saw her coming down. 288 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:22,390 It was dark. 289 00:20:24,510 --> 00:20:27,030 Well, she-she saw us. 290 00:20:30,150 --> 00:20:36,789 She-She hit him with, um, with a hammer she'd found on a workbench. 291 00:20:36,790 --> 00:20:38,669 Just once. 292 00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:42,590 But I-I knew from the sound it made that, uh... 293 00:20:44,350 --> 00:20:46,629 Oh, and then she was screaming at me, 294 00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:49,749 calling me... all the names under the sun. 295 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:53,469 I was trying to get me hand over her mouth to keep her quiet 296 00:20:53,470 --> 00:20:55,829 and by the time I'd sorted her out... 297 00:20:55,830 --> 00:21:02,469 Jimmy... Well, I-I think he was dead before he hit the floor. 298 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:06,910 So, er, I locked the cellar. 299 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:10,149 Took Claire home. 300 00:21:10,150 --> 00:21:12,430 Came back later. 301 00:21:14,110 --> 00:21:19,389 Course I-I couldn't risk, er, carrying him outside, 302 00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:25,470 so, um, I buried him there... 303 00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:29,270 ..later that night. 304 00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:36,870 Will you tell his mother, please, that I said prayers? 305 00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:45,949 I said prayers for him. 306 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:48,469 I-I, um, I looked after him. 307 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:53,949 Of course, I, I assumed that, um, you know, er, we'd be caught. 308 00:21:53,950 --> 00:21:57,549 He'd be found. But he... He never was. 309 00:21:57,550 --> 00:21:59,189 And, oh, that night. 310 00:21:59,190 --> 00:22:02,310 I vowed to stop all of that for good. 311 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:05,709 And we moved up to, er, Ely. 312 00:22:05,710 --> 00:22:07,989 Yeah, to get away from London. 313 00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:10,589 It worked. Mm. 314 00:22:10,590 --> 00:22:12,670 Yes, it worked. Um... 315 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:16,869 Yeah, two years later, we had little Matty 316 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:18,950 and it, it was all, er... 317 00:22:20,110 --> 00:22:22,909 You know, but, it was the '70s. There was no work. 318 00:22:22,910 --> 00:22:29,709 And, erm, I ended up having to get a job back in London, 319 00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:32,070 two days a week in Camden. 320 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:38,670 And I started to stay out late again. 321 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:46,950 So, er, one night she left the kids with a friend. 322 00:22:48,030 --> 00:22:51,549 Came down to London, followed me, er... 323 00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:54,709 ..from work up to Hampstead 324 00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:59,590 and found me with Nicholas in my car. 325 00:23:01,390 --> 00:23:03,389 Of course, she went for him. 326 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:05,950 Pulled him out, punching. 327 00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:11,030 Kicking and, er, then, he was on the ground. 328 00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:13,789 Blood everywhere. 329 00:23:13,790 --> 00:23:17,470 She-She always said that it was him who'd drawn it... 330 00:23:18,670 --> 00:23:20,270 ..the-the knife. 331 00:23:21,310 --> 00:23:24,630 But she was, er, ill. 332 00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:31,629 Very ill again aft-after-after Matty. 333 00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:37,830 So, I, um, I pulled him back, back into the car. 334 00:23:42,550 --> 00:23:45,349 I want you to know 335 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:50,670 that I stood outside police stations dozens of times. 336 00:23:51,910 --> 00:23:55,590 Dozens of times after Jimmy. 337 00:23:57,470 --> 00:24:00,670 And, um, what did she feel? 338 00:24:02,790 --> 00:24:04,989 Well, when she got better, of course, 339 00:24:04,990 --> 00:24:07,749 she was devastated by what she'd done. 340 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:09,629 But, you know, we had a little boy. 341 00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:11,470 If we'd both gone to prison... 342 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:15,710 And after Nicholas Whitmore? 343 00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:23,070 I-I drove my car into a tree two weeks after Nicholas. 344 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:26,389 I wanted to die. 345 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:30,189 But actually, in the end, 346 00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:38,190 I think, er, this... er, this, erm, was a fairer punishment. 347 00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:46,270 I'm sure Jimmy and Nicholas's families, er... wouldn't agree. 348 00:25:03,150 --> 00:25:05,470 I've already made calls, Joshie. 349 00:25:07,470 --> 00:25:11,989 People who'll make that little prick Asil shit out of his ears. 350 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:13,709 Dad, the police are coming. 351 00:25:13,710 --> 00:25:15,389 Huh? 352 00:25:15,390 --> 00:25:18,149 The police are coming in to arrest you in five minutes. 353 00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:20,510 They've already pulled up down the road. 354 00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:24,230 What do you mean, coming in to...? 355 00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:29,750 Why are police coming to arrest me? 356 00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:44,990 Because I told them about Fenwick. 357 00:25:46,270 --> 00:25:48,910 Cos I think you've lost your way, Dad. I think we all have. 358 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:51,550 And because I love you. 359 00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:05,190 Goodnight, Mum. 360 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:05,709 I'm so sorry, Ray, I... 361 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:07,669 Don't you say another word. 362 00:27:07,670 --> 00:27:09,750 Not one word. 363 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:16,790 It's me who should be apologising. 364 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:19,790 It's me. 365 00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:36,750 DS KHAN: Uh-huh. 366 00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:39,749 What? 367 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:41,629 Oh... 368 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:43,910 OK, cheers. Thanks. 369 00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:48,750 Nobody has any idea where Claire or her sons are. 370 00:27:49,870 --> 00:27:51,510 They've disappeared. 371 00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:08,150 Oh, Caz, he's gorgeous. 372 00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:11,750 You can't call him Noah. 373 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:15,310 Sorry. 374 00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:22,270 Hello. Ellie speaking. 375 00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:25,309 Hello? 376 00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:28,710 Hi, Ellie. Erm, er, you don't know me. 377 00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:31,590 My name's Thea. 378 00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:34,870 I'm your half-sister. 379 00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:42,869 And how bad is it? 380 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:44,509 I spoke to her GP earlier. 381 00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:47,229 I mean, obviously we'd have to get our own assessment done 382 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:49,109 but, yeah, it's, it's fairly advanced. 383 00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:51,389 She first presented four years ago, 384 00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:55,749 but the decline in the last few months has been particularly rapid, apparently. 385 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:57,549 Right. 386 00:28:57,550 --> 00:28:59,629 Well, you know what I'm going to say. 387 00:28:59,630 --> 00:29:02,509 Could she properly remember what she's been accused of? 388 00:29:02,510 --> 00:29:04,949 Could she tell her solicitor her side of things? 389 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:07,669 Could she challenge what witnesses say in court? 390 00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:10,909 And, if she can't do any of those things, she's unfit to plead. 391 00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:14,749 OK, so... Well, there are a number of questions here. 392 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:17,709 I mean, if he's worked all this out, 393 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:19,990 why would he not say it was her? 394 00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:24,629 Assisting an offender carries a maximum sentence of ten years. 395 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:28,589 Now, given his age he might get, I don't know, eight. Out in four. 396 00:29:28,590 --> 00:29:32,469 For double murder, he's gonna die in prison. Yeah. 397 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:34,990 What's your gut feeling? All of it is true. 398 00:29:36,030 --> 00:29:38,389 To admit what he did, my feeling is that, 399 00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:42,069 that was actually harder for him than saying he killed them. 400 00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:44,869 Which might sound unbelievable, until you think that 401 00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:48,509 for the first 30 years of his life what he was, what he did was illegal 402 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:52,029 and, um, utterly disgusting to 99% of the population. 403 00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:54,749 I think that shame absolutely remains. 404 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:58,349 Then why did he admit it, then? 405 00:29:58,350 --> 00:30:01,149 Because, in the end, he knew that 406 00:30:01,150 --> 00:30:05,349 his boys were gonna lose their mother pretty soon, anyway. 407 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:07,629 Already had, to a degree. 408 00:30:07,630 --> 00:30:10,509 So telling us what he did, I think his reasoning was that 409 00:30:10,510 --> 00:30:12,869 that meant at least they didn't lose both. 410 00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:15,589 And is there any evidence to corroborate his version? 411 00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:19,629 I think we'll find evidence that he had multiple homosexual relationships. 412 00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:22,269 We might find, er, medical records 413 00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:26,469 confirming she had some form of postpartum psychosis. 414 00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:30,669 Maybe even we'll be able to place her at the hostel, 415 00:30:30,670 --> 00:30:32,709 um, on the... on the night Jimmy died. 416 00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:35,990 And then, if we do, then, his narrative is better than ours. 417 00:30:38,030 --> 00:30:40,709 We've got a mobile number for Matthew Slater's work. 418 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:43,709 No answer from him yet, but his work have told us where he is. 419 00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:46,270 Local police are on their way. OK, thank you. 420 00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:03,629 You really are an evil bitch, aren't you? 421 00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:05,229 You really are an evil bitch, Matthew... 422 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:08,149 How could you have watched your husband put a body in the ground 423 00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:11,189 and not said anything? What body? What are you talking about? 424 00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:13,949 How could that ever have seemed an acceptable thing to do? 425 00:31:13,950 --> 00:31:15,670 Matthew, you're scaring me. Good! 426 00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:19,709 I wonder if you feel as scared as your grandson was yesterday? 427 00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:23,710 Or as I did when I watched the news and realised that this is who we are now. 428 00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:46,429 Ooh! Sorry. 429 00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:49,829 Oh, sorry. Uh... No, no, I-I'll just... 430 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:52,310 ♪ ..The unspeakable wrong... ♪ 431 00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:59,270 Hey. I've just walked in on your granddad. 432 00:32:00,350 --> 00:32:02,189 Oh, right, with Annie. 433 00:32:02,190 --> 00:32:04,549 What? I don't know, it was a little old lady. 434 00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:06,070 What? I don't know, it was a little Yeah. She works at the Feathers. 435 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:16,949 Sorry about that. No, no, no. It's fine, you know. 436 00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:19,309 I shouldn't have barged in. No, it's your house. 437 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,029 I shouldn't have barged in. I should've knocked or... 438 00:32:21,030 --> 00:32:24,629 Anyway, I'm bushed so, uh... Sure. No problem... I'm gonna turn in. 439 00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:26,990 Yeah. Night. Night, then. 440 00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:30,070 That went well 441 00:32:34,550 --> 00:32:36,350 Class 442 00:32:41,030 --> 00:32:43,829 You have absolutely no proof 443 00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:47,389 my client was connected to these events in any way. 444 00:32:47,390 --> 00:32:50,589 And if either of you have kids, I don't need to tell you 445 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:53,629 just how many reasons there could be for Josh saying what he did 446 00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:56,189 without any connection to the truth whatsoever. 447 00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:58,549 Which is all well and good, Mr Archer, 448 00:32:58,550 --> 00:33:00,670 but doesn't really answer my question. 449 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,629 Did you pay to have Gordon Fenwick murdered, Sir Phillip? 450 00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:11,030 If you have no further questions, I think we'll be on our way. 451 00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:15,549 They've got nothing to hold you here, Sir Phillip. Let's go. 452 00:33:15,550 --> 00:33:17,190 Yes. 453 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:19,829 Er... I'm sorry? 454 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:21,469 Sir Philip. 455 00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:23,510 Yes. 456 00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:30,190 I paid for Gordon Fenwick to be killed. 457 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:43,349 Early? 458 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:45,909 Listen, um, last night... 459 00:33:45,910 --> 00:33:47,669 Please. There's no need. 460 00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:52,190 No, I just wanted to say that I'm trying to look forward, Cass. 461 00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:55,950 Cos life goes on, doesn't it? 462 00:34:00,790 --> 00:34:02,829 And just live your life for you, Dad. 463 00:34:02,830 --> 00:34:04,909 Just-Just do what makes you happy. 464 00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:06,669 Please. 465 00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:08,750 Please, please. 466 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:21,429 Hey there, Miss. 467 00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:23,110 Hello, sweetheart. 468 00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:26,070 How lovely to see you again. 469 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:46,229 Well, if you could conclusively prove she did it, 470 00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:49,269 then a judge and a jury could hear the prosecution evidence, 471 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:50,909 despite her being unfit to plead. 472 00:34:50,910 --> 00:34:52,669 Except they can't convict her. 473 00:34:52,670 --> 00:34:55,549 No. But the court is at least acknowledging the facts, 474 00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:58,830 which might be better for Jimmy and Nicholas's family. 475 00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:04,629 And what happens to her? Well, she'd just get the supervision order. 476 00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:07,390 Which is what she'd get if it didn't got to court. 477 00:35:09,790 --> 00:35:13,550 Right, so she causes the death of two people. 478 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:17,789 All the pain those two families have been through. 479 00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:20,950 And she sees out her days in a care home. 480 00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:30,750 Do you recognise him, Claire? 481 00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:40,590 No, I don't think so. Sorry. 482 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:51,150 You don't remember hurting him? 483 00:35:53,070 --> 00:35:55,270 No, I don't. I'm trying. 484 00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:11,510 It was in the cellar of Arlingham House, July 1976. 485 00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:19,350 You went to find your husband. 486 00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:26,629 What? I don't know. 487 00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:28,670 You remembered something? 488 00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:32,509 Maybe I remember this boy... 489 00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:34,270 Maybe. I don't know. 490 00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:50,470 Do you, um, remember... 491 00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:55,870 ..being unwell, after your children were born, Claire? 492 00:36:59,790 --> 00:37:01,830 Maybe. I don't know. 493 00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:07,630 Do you remember that your husband liked men? 494 00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:10,790 Oh! 495 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:15,910 Was it to do with that? 496 00:37:17,790 --> 00:37:20,149 You know what? I'm really not happy with this. 497 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:22,029 We need to stop. 498 00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:25,509 I'm so sorry if I hurt anyone. 499 00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:28,149 If I could remember I'd tell you, but I can't. 500 00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:30,310 I'm sorry. 501 00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:39,070 We can't thank you enough. 502 00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:49,150 How is it I feel sorry for her? 503 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:16,629 Hi, Maureen. 504 00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:18,670 Can I come in? 505 00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:48,750 Hi. 506 00:39:07,393 --> 00:39:13,273 So, what I wanted to tell you, Grace, was that actually Dad... 507 00:39:14,753 --> 00:39:16,752 ..Robert... 508 00:39:16,753 --> 00:39:19,352 ..he very much wanted to tell you about me. 509 00:39:19,353 --> 00:39:21,472 In fact, from the moment he found out, 510 00:39:21,473 --> 00:39:23,512 when I was about 18 months old, 511 00:39:23,513 --> 00:39:26,753 he desperately wanted to admit his mistake to you. 512 00:39:28,913 --> 00:39:30,753 But my mother, she... 513 00:39:32,033 --> 00:39:34,753 Well, she was scared she would lose me, somehow. 514 00:39:35,993 --> 00:39:39,473 So she told him that if he ever did tell you... 515 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:43,713 ..he would never see me again. 516 00:39:44,753 --> 00:39:47,593 So, he chose to live this terrible lie... 517 00:39:48,993 --> 00:39:52,993 ..so he could be there for you and for me. 518 00:39:55,113 --> 00:39:57,792 And be the best father he could to all of us. 519 00:39:57,793 --> 00:40:00,273 But him not telling you... 520 00:40:02,793 --> 00:40:05,752 ..well, that came from a place of love and decency. 521 00:40:05,753 --> 00:40:08,553 And I just hope that, some day... 522 00:40:09,913 --> 00:40:12,313 ..you'll be able to forgive him for it. 523 00:40:15,233 --> 00:40:18,672 Every time I turn a corner, I meet someone from the old days. 524 00:40:18,673 --> 00:40:21,633 Like a bloody school reunion. 525 00:40:23,793 --> 00:40:26,672 And next week. How are you feeling about the trial? 526 00:40:26,673 --> 00:40:29,953 The next week's just a bit of theatre, isn't it? 527 00:40:31,673 --> 00:40:34,433 It's the last two months that have really mattered. 528 00:40:38,233 --> 00:40:40,033 Thinking time. 529 00:40:42,153 --> 00:40:43,793 All I ever wanted... 530 00:40:46,033 --> 00:40:48,833 ..was for my children to be better than me. 531 00:40:51,153 --> 00:40:56,673 The start I had, the things I was taught, things I did... back then. 532 00:40:58,393 --> 00:41:00,392 Everything I've ever achieved since, 533 00:41:00,393 --> 00:41:03,912 beneath the ambition and the money and the vanity, 534 00:41:03,913 --> 00:41:10,473 was all really to buy you your escape... from me. 535 00:41:11,593 --> 00:41:13,633 What I was. 536 00:41:14,993 --> 00:41:17,153 I'm so proud of you. 537 00:41:21,753 --> 00:41:23,753 Both of you. 538 00:41:24,833 --> 00:41:27,233 Of what you did for me and what you are. 539 00:41:34,353 --> 00:41:37,792 All your visits, Mr Slater. Your mother's a very lucky woman. 540 00:41:37,793 --> 00:41:40,833 No. No, I'm the lucky one. 541 00:42:01,153 --> 00:42:03,153 Me again. 542 00:42:07,073 --> 00:42:09,232 Does she ever mention me? 543 00:42:09,233 --> 00:42:11,512 She can hardly speak now, Dad. 544 00:42:11,513 --> 00:42:14,312 She-She doesn't... She doesn't know me. 545 00:42:14,313 --> 00:42:16,152 Or Matt. 546 00:42:16,153 --> 00:42:18,193 Matt sees her, does he? 547 00:42:23,673 --> 00:42:26,552 I mean, I know he already knows but... 548 00:42:26,553 --> 00:42:28,953 I'd always love to see him. 549 00:42:30,353 --> 00:42:32,233 Tell him again. 550 00:42:33,553 --> 00:42:35,593 I'm so sorry. 551 00:43:11,753 --> 00:43:15,152 How comes you always walk in when Baz has got his shorts off, Miss? 552 00:43:15,153 --> 00:43:17,272 Timing, Curtis. 553 00:43:17,273 --> 00:43:19,313 Good timing. 554 00:43:22,593 --> 00:43:24,593 Lads, move please.