1 00:00:12,512 --> 00:00:13,555 [journalists shouting] 2 00:00:13,638 --> 00:00:15,724 Sean Penn...Who is Sean Penn? 3 00:00:15,807 --> 00:00:17,559 [Sean] People are suffering, 4 00:00:17,642 --> 00:00:21,187 and many are trying do what you can to help them. 5 00:00:21,271 --> 00:00:22,981 There are very few people like Sean Penn, 6 00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:25,859 who really takes risks every day there. 7 00:00:25,942 --> 00:00:28,987 The situation here is very complicated. 8 00:00:29,070 --> 00:00:31,281 Sean Penn is a god to me. 9 00:00:31,364 --> 00:00:34,909 It's just amazing sit down and talk to a guy like that. 10 00:00:34,993 --> 00:00:37,954 [Epigmenio] He is a Hollywood figure and he is a great actor. 11 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:40,248 From there to being a good journalist... 12 00:00:40,331 --> 00:00:41,624 I don't know. 13 00:00:42,375 --> 00:00:44,669 Sean Penn He is a big name in Hollywood. 14 00:00:45,044 --> 00:00:46,504 I think he thought, "Well... 15 00:00:46,588 --> 00:00:51,885 He has good contacts, and I have no contacts in Hollywood, 16 00:00:51,968 --> 00:00:53,470 So it would be good for me." 17 00:00:53,553 --> 00:00:55,388 [Marianne] But something told me: 18 00:00:55,472 --> 00:00:58,099 “He’s not 100% on Kate’s side. 19 00:00:58,183 --> 00:00:59,726 "She's thinking about him." 20 00:00:59,809 --> 00:01:03,980 He has always had an image controversial and strong character. 21 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:07,859 Sean Penn is here with us today. Let's give him a round of applause. 22 00:01:07,942 --> 00:01:12,113 Of course I know that there are people who He doesn't like me from the beginning. 23 00:01:12,197 --> 00:01:16,201 For me, Kate's big mistake It's not about having gone looking for El Chapo 24 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:18,119 but having brought Sean Penn. 25 00:01:18,203 --> 00:01:21,873 Sean Penn catches fire at the end and it ruins everyone's lives. 26 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:27,647 HELLO, KATE. I AM SEAN. 27 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:31,985 DO YOU THINK WE GET TOGETHER? AT ANY TIME TODAY? ARE YOU IN THE? 28 00:02:32,068 --> 00:02:35,196 HELLO! YES, I'M IN THE. 29 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,408 I LIVE IN MALIBU, BUT WE COULD BE MEET DOWNTOWN LATER. 30 00:02:38,491 --> 00:02:39,409 BRILLIANT! 31 00:02:39,492 --> 00:02:41,911 I ORGANIZED A TASTING OF MY TEQUILA WITH FRIENDS AT HOME AT 6. 32 00:02:41,995 --> 00:02:44,706 I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TRY IT, IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE. ONLY FRIENDS. 33 00:02:44,789 --> 00:02:45,957 IT COULD HAPPEN AT AROUND 5, 34 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,793 SO WE HAVE TIME TO TALK BEFORE YOUR GUESTS ARRIVE. 35 00:02:48,877 --> 00:02:53,715 PERFECT. HERE WE WILL HAVE PRIVACY. 36 00:02:56,175 --> 00:03:01,097 For me it was important that Mr. Guzmán met the producers and Sean, 37 00:03:01,514 --> 00:03:04,225 because we were all going to be making the movie. 38 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:06,352 For me it was important that I knew them, 39 00:03:06,436 --> 00:03:07,770 and everyone happy. 40 00:03:09,272 --> 00:03:10,315 Mr. Guzman 41 00:03:10,398 --> 00:03:13,651 He asked me who Sean Penn was. 42 00:03:14,235 --> 00:03:16,654 I told him that he was an actor, 43 00:03:16,738 --> 00:03:18,323 who was Madonna's husband 44 00:03:19,115 --> 00:03:21,868 and that he had made several films. 45 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:25,538 He didn't take much interest. I just wanted to know who he was. 46 00:03:25,622 --> 00:03:28,791 I did tell him clearly who was American 47 00:03:28,875 --> 00:03:32,670 and, the truth is, it didn't seem to me a trustworthy person. 48 00:03:33,212 --> 00:03:35,089 But he didn't take interest. 49 00:03:35,173 --> 00:03:37,050 "Well, let her come with whoever she likes." 50 00:03:40,887 --> 00:03:42,180 I don't know 51 00:03:42,722 --> 00:03:47,101 How is it possible that El Chapo Guzmán I didn't know who Sean Penn was. 52 00:03:47,518 --> 00:03:50,271 "No, he's a Hollywood actor." 53 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:51,648 "Well, what has he done?" 54 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:54,609 I didn't have the slightest idea who Sean Penn was. 55 00:03:55,526 --> 00:03:58,988 The day before we left, we were excited but also nervous. 56 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:00,281 I don't know about him. 57 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:04,911 He came to bring me his passport and then he stayed for the tasting. 58 00:04:05,453 --> 00:04:07,330 You see tequila, you see mariachi! 59 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:13,419 [mariachis playing] 60 00:04:13,503 --> 00:04:17,423 [Kate] Sean Penn is so funny. He's very charming, he's charismatic... 61 00:04:17,966 --> 00:04:21,594 He is a very interesting guy of listening, of seeing, of everything. 62 00:04:21,678 --> 00:04:25,139 He has some incredible anecdotes. His anecdotes are with Marlon Brando. 63 00:04:25,223 --> 00:04:27,850 They are some anecdotes that make you die, 64 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:32,063 with De Niro, Pacino, people like that that makes you say, "How amazing!" 65 00:04:33,314 --> 00:04:36,234 Between Sean and I there was an important complicity. 66 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:38,778 We both knew, and no one else there, 67 00:04:38,861 --> 00:04:41,072 What were we going to do the next day? 68 00:04:41,739 --> 00:04:45,201 one of the trips most important of our lives, 69 00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:49,414 and something that could change our lives or that it could take our lives. 70 00:04:51,708 --> 00:04:55,336 THANK YOU! I HAD A LOT OF FUN. HOW GOOD GROUP, ESPECIALLY THE HOST. 71 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:58,506 YOU ARE THE BEST. 72 00:05:21,904 --> 00:05:24,198 I woke up and said: "What am I going to wear?" 73 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:28,119 I didn't know where they were going to take us. I didn't know if it was cold, if it was hot... 74 00:05:28,202 --> 00:05:30,872 I wanted to bring something to Chapo. 75 00:05:30,955 --> 00:05:35,209 I brought him a bottle of my gift tequila 76 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:37,962 and to thank you for the trust. 77 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:40,882 I brought him a Sabines book. 78 00:05:41,549 --> 00:05:44,343 I don't know. Maybe I wanted sensitize him in some way. 79 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:47,346 Before we get on the plane, 80 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:50,391 I was texting with El Chapo. 81 00:05:52,226 --> 00:05:55,646 And as soon as I got on, I told him: "We're already on the plane. 82 00:05:56,022 --> 00:05:57,356 "I'm going to turn off my phone." 83 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,525 He told me: "I'm going to turn mine off too." 84 00:06:00,443 --> 00:06:04,155 He tells me: "I'm not going to talk to you anymore nothing until I see you in person." 85 00:06:06,282 --> 00:06:10,870 At that time, El Chapo was the man most persecuted, and by two governments. 86 00:06:10,953 --> 00:06:15,333 And we are the only ones with the opportunity to see him face to face. 87 00:06:16,834 --> 00:06:20,171 [Andrés] In this case, there was a great risk for Mr. Joaquín Guzmán. 88 00:06:20,713 --> 00:06:23,549 It was a risk. He was told. Yes it was a risk. 89 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:26,552 But Mr. Guzmán I wanted to take that risk. 90 00:06:27,136 --> 00:06:29,597 He is a person who, Surprisingly, he is not afraid. 91 00:06:30,389 --> 00:06:32,642 So, he didn't care to run another risk. 92 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,857 How can you talk to him the you for you to a drug trafficker? 93 00:06:40,441 --> 00:06:44,529 I mean, you can't get involved like that. with a man like that. 94 00:06:44,612 --> 00:06:47,490 We are talking about the criminal most wanted in the world. 95 00:06:47,573 --> 00:06:50,451 El Chapo is like a saint, lady. 96 00:06:50,993 --> 00:06:55,873 El Chapo... They say he's around here, 97 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:57,667 in its area of influence. 98 00:06:58,501 --> 00:07:03,005 Who knows where it is? That is an enigma for all of us. 99 00:07:04,006 --> 00:07:06,717 When one interviews to fugitives from justice, 100 00:07:07,135 --> 00:07:09,679 They don't tell you absolutely anything. 101 00:07:10,012 --> 00:07:12,598 I mean, they don't tell you What is the protocol to follow? 102 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:15,309 So everything is at a spontaneous level. 103 00:07:15,726 --> 00:07:20,398 Well, you have to enter to a spectrum of clandestinity, 104 00:07:20,481 --> 00:07:22,567 and that generates a lot of adrenaline. 105 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:30,575 [Kate] I know it was a danger And I know what all that entails, 106 00:07:30,658 --> 00:07:34,537 but the truth was that it did excite me a lot pass the crossing. 107 00:07:41,085 --> 00:07:46,674 The Mexican government had monitored from the first minute 108 00:07:46,757 --> 00:07:51,387 Kate del Castillo, Sean Penn and Chapo Guzmán himself. 109 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:55,433 They even had photos of Sean and Kate at the airport. 110 00:07:56,225 --> 00:07:58,227 They were definitely listening to her. 111 00:07:58,853 --> 00:07:59,854 And to him. 112 00:08:00,521 --> 00:08:01,522 And Sean Penn. 113 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:06,694 From the first moment, in a nearby area 114 00:08:06,777 --> 00:08:08,404 where El Chapo was thought to be, 115 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:11,115 they find a communication that linked him to her. 116 00:08:14,535 --> 00:08:17,997 They did not have the specific information because it is a complex area, 117 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,000 but it caught their attention that a person who was in Los Angeles 118 00:08:21,417 --> 00:08:25,087 suddenly had intermittent contact. 119 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,927 And then they identified what it was, indeed, of a possible meeting. 120 00:08:32,887 --> 00:08:35,348 [Kate] When we arrive, We went straight to the hotel. 121 00:08:35,681 --> 00:08:39,602 We arrived and it was already there waiting for us. Mr. Guzmán's lawyer. 122 00:08:39,685 --> 00:08:43,439 He told us: "Leave your phones and leave everything you bring." 123 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:47,944 And so we did, except Sean, who was left with a small suitcase he was carrying. 124 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:52,740 From what I heard, Sean Penn's suitcase was not searched 125 00:08:52,823 --> 00:08:55,076 because Mr. Guzmán never said: "Check it out." 126 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:58,162 He simply trusted in the people who went. 127 00:08:59,163 --> 00:09:02,250 At that moment a luxurious car arrived 128 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:05,503 and two large trucks in the back, 129 00:09:05,586 --> 00:09:08,089 like with security people. At least it seemed that way. 130 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:11,759 As soon as she arrives in Mexico, 131 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:15,388 manages to outwit, through Chapo's people... 132 00:09:15,471 --> 00:09:19,892 Indeed, knowing they and being professionals in their subject, 133 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:23,688 They sent a fake Kate on one side, 134 00:09:23,771 --> 00:09:26,023 another on the other hand, another on the other hand, 135 00:09:26,274 --> 00:09:27,984 to finally mislead 136 00:09:28,818 --> 00:09:31,445 to CISEN himself, who did not know which one to follow and which one not to follow. 137 00:09:32,697 --> 00:09:35,575 And she suddenly disappears from the map. 138 00:09:41,539 --> 00:09:46,085 Even when they are journalists, we do not seek a rapprochement with drug traffickers. 139 00:09:46,168 --> 00:09:51,632 That's not how we like to be —or act as—intermediaries 140 00:09:51,716 --> 00:09:54,343 because it seems to us very sensitive and dangerous. 141 00:10:01,809 --> 00:10:05,855 At that time it can be arrested at any time, and she knows it. 142 00:10:10,109 --> 00:10:14,071 We arrived at a place that was fenced. 143 00:10:15,698 --> 00:10:19,160 And we enter a clandestine track 144 00:10:19,243 --> 00:10:22,079 with two Cessnas standing there. 145 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:25,541 I said, "Oh my God, where are we going to go?" 146 00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:30,087 I remember of getting on the plane. 147 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:31,505 I was going... 148 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:34,300 ...literally shaking. 149 00:10:36,385 --> 00:10:39,680 And I was very afraid and uncertain. 150 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:42,600 I had already given him two or three drinks. to Honor tequila, the truth, 151 00:10:42,683 --> 00:10:45,394 because nothing more like this I was able to calm my nerves. 152 00:10:49,940 --> 00:10:53,235 On that trip, I said: "Who knows "Where is this man going to take us?" 153 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:54,528 We didn't know who he was. 154 00:10:54,612 --> 00:10:59,075 He starts to say: "My dad... and my dad... and my dad..." 155 00:10:59,158 --> 00:11:00,534 And I said, "Who's your dad?" 156 00:11:00,868 --> 00:11:02,995 He tells me: "How come you don't know who is my dad? 157 00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,331 Well, my dad is Joaquín, he is El Chapo." 158 00:11:05,831 --> 00:11:10,378 And I: "OK." So I turned around and told him to Sean: "I think this is important. 159 00:11:10,461 --> 00:11:11,796 "He is the son of Chapo." 160 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:16,884 And then, we ask: "Aren't you going to blindfold us?" 161 00:11:17,593 --> 00:11:19,887 And he says, "No. Where's the trust?" 162 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:22,139 What did they tell you? what movie did you see? 163 00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:26,602 No, no, no. And finally, Do you know where they are?" 164 00:11:27,603 --> 00:11:28,604 "Well no". 165 00:11:29,855 --> 00:11:30,981 I had no idea. 166 00:11:34,276 --> 00:11:35,486 We land. 167 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,657 He told us: "Hey, get off, but in the scrubs!" 168 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:43,577 We got off the planes, and they were already There are some trucks waiting for us. 169 00:11:44,995 --> 00:11:46,038 And we left. 170 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:54,672 I had no idea where we were going Let's see. I don't know if that's his house... 171 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:58,300 We didn't know anything. we didn't know what was going to happen or where we were going to go. 172 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,890 It was already night. It was totally dark. 173 00:12:06,934 --> 00:12:09,854 Finally we arrived at a place... 174 00:12:13,607 --> 00:12:15,818 I left without seeing absolutely anything. 175 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:17,695 I didn't know who I was opening the door. 176 00:12:19,405 --> 00:12:21,740 I get off, and they greet me with a hug. 177 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:23,284 And they tell me: "Friend. 178 00:12:23,742 --> 00:12:24,618 Welcome." 179 00:12:25,494 --> 00:12:27,580 My skin went crazy. 180 00:12:28,205 --> 00:12:30,166 I couldn't believe it. 181 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:33,377 I knew it was him simply because he called me "friend." 182 00:12:34,712 --> 00:12:36,922 El Chapo Guzmán is a man in love. 183 00:12:37,006 --> 00:12:39,300 He loves impossible loves. 184 00:12:40,718 --> 00:12:43,888 And this was his next romantic goal, 185 00:12:43,971 --> 00:12:48,684 someone who, apparently, It could be impossible to fall in love. 186 00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:50,769 And it became an obsession 187 00:12:50,853 --> 00:12:54,148 because it brought together a person pretty, nice, intelligent, 188 00:12:54,231 --> 00:12:57,818 who had defended him publicly on Twitter. 189 00:12:58,235 --> 00:13:01,113 I was saying that he raised more interesting things 190 00:13:01,197 --> 00:13:03,073 than corrupt governments. 191 00:13:04,241 --> 00:13:05,576 This is a tunnel of love 192 00:13:05,659 --> 00:13:09,622 to reach a woman who, apparently, it's impossible. 193 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:15,211 [Kate] "Life is a business. The only thing What changes is the merchandise. "No?" 194 00:13:18,255 --> 00:13:20,758 Well, that's it, right, gentlemen? I am Teresa Mendoza. 195 00:13:20,841 --> 00:13:22,092 And I am the queen of the south. 196 00:13:22,176 --> 00:13:26,472 El Chapo Guzmán and millions of Mexicans They were fans of Kate del Castillo 197 00:13:26,555 --> 00:13:27,890 thanks to The Queen of the South. 198 00:13:29,308 --> 00:13:30,309 [Don] Kate! 199 00:13:30,726 --> 00:13:35,356 I thank you for trusting us to give us an interview. 200 00:13:36,023 --> 00:13:38,943 I believe, from the interview I did with him, 201 00:13:39,401 --> 00:13:41,320 that there in that superseries... 202 00:13:42,947 --> 00:13:48,202 ...she starts searching the way to approach Chapo. 203 00:13:48,285 --> 00:13:50,120 I don't know if I had it in mind, 204 00:13:50,204 --> 00:13:54,124 but it caught his attention the life of this character. 205 00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:58,045 I think the same thing happened to him. al Chapo with Kate del Castillo, 206 00:13:58,128 --> 00:14:00,464 and that's why he gives him the interview. 207 00:14:01,257 --> 00:14:02,550 I need you to help me. 208 00:14:02,633 --> 00:14:05,719 I'm sorry to tell you that I can't do anything for you. 209 00:14:05,803 --> 00:14:08,389 [Andrés] When he saw the series of The queen of the south, 210 00:14:08,472 --> 00:14:10,724 It caught his attention a lot how she performed. 211 00:14:11,433 --> 00:14:14,061 We talked, and he liked it very much. 212 00:14:14,144 --> 00:14:15,312 than a Mexican lady, 213 00:14:15,396 --> 00:14:19,567 an actress like Kate del Castillo, had those powers 214 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:23,612 and realize how that series had been made. 215 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,327 When El Chapo Guzmán flee a second time, 216 00:14:30,786 --> 00:14:34,623 the series that for the third time he was watching was The Queen of the South. 217 00:14:35,165 --> 00:14:38,627 So, it's kind of a compliment, right? 218 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,046 You're crazy, Mexican Sudaca... 219 00:14:41,922 --> 00:14:42,798 [groan of pain] 220 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:46,635 [screams] I'm not Sudaca! Mexico is in North America, stupid! 221 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:48,971 [screams] I'm a northerner! Northern! 222 00:14:49,054 --> 00:14:53,601 In Colombia, we had the case that the artist who personified Pablo Escobar 223 00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:57,479 At one point he said: "I don't know whether it is an angel or a demon." 224 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:02,026 So, when you defile yourself, to call it something, 225 00:15:02,109 --> 00:15:04,361 from that world of drug trafficking, 226 00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:08,532 they end, somehow, understanding, justifying, 227 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:11,994 to the characters and the world in which they move. 228 00:15:12,369 --> 00:15:15,664 I think she liked it the role she played as a mafia. 229 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,585 So he wanted, somehow, live that life in reality. 230 00:15:19,668 --> 00:15:22,546 Mention Chapo on Twitter 231 00:15:22,630 --> 00:15:26,383 made him understand that she had more respect for him 232 00:15:26,467 --> 00:15:29,345 than to the president and the Mexican government. 233 00:15:29,428 --> 00:15:30,763 That girl is failing. 234 00:15:30,846 --> 00:15:33,933 Your enemies are waiting to tell you what we do with them. 235 00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:37,770 Everyone is talking about this apology to drug dealers and all that. 236 00:15:37,853 --> 00:15:40,356 We are actors and we make stories. 237 00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:44,109 And yes, they are delicate topics, because of how delicate the issue is in Mexico 238 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:46,612 but... it's fiction! 239 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:50,407 I don't want to be Teresa Mendoza. I do not want the life of Teresa Mendoza. 240 00:15:50,491 --> 00:15:51,909 I don't want to be hiding. 241 00:15:51,992 --> 00:15:55,120 And if that is being apologetic of a drug dealer, 242 00:15:55,204 --> 00:15:56,914 Well, it doesn't seem like it to me. 243 00:16:00,542 --> 00:16:01,794 [director] And... cut! 244 00:16:01,877 --> 00:16:04,964 One thing that caught my attention about Kate 245 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:09,051 It was that one day he said: "The word 'cut' exists." 246 00:16:09,134 --> 00:16:11,011 Many people don't understand it. 247 00:16:11,095 --> 00:16:14,223 They are human beings who are acting, 248 00:16:14,306 --> 00:16:17,851 but there is a "cut" and they return to their normal life. 249 00:16:20,604 --> 00:16:21,897 [Kate] He sat me down. 250 00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:24,066 He sat next to me. 251 00:16:24,566 --> 00:16:29,697 On his left side was Ivan, whom I met at that time, his eldest son. 252 00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:34,493 Then on my right side Alfredo sat here. 253 00:16:35,911 --> 00:16:38,163 And here José Ibáñez sat. 254 00:16:38,622 --> 00:16:40,457 Sean sat in front of me. 255 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:42,543 Once we settled in, 256 00:16:42,626 --> 00:16:46,338 The first thing he asked me was: "Friend, you must be hungry." 257 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,757 I said, "Yes, we're hungry. "We haven't eaten anything." 258 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:51,802 And he brought me some carnitas tacos. 259 00:16:51,885 --> 00:16:55,139 I started to eat the first bite, and it didn't fit me. 260 00:16:55,222 --> 00:17:00,978 I didn't want to make him ugly with the food. because it seemed rude to me 261 00:17:01,061 --> 00:17:03,981 but it didn't fit me in the least the food. 262 00:17:05,816 --> 00:17:07,401 I took the bottle of Honor from him. 263 00:17:07,943 --> 00:17:11,113 After a while of talking, of being eating, 264 00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:16,243 Sean says to me: "Kate, please ask him "If I can do an interview with you." 265 00:17:18,537 --> 00:17:20,164 They never mentioned me... 266 00:17:20,914 --> 00:17:24,877 Or Sean never mentioned to me what he wanted to do. an interview for any magazine. 267 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,713 be sitting in front of Mr. Guzmán Loera, 268 00:17:27,796 --> 00:17:29,673 it's not like for let them change the play, right? 269 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:31,091 "I come to talk about my film, 270 00:17:31,175 --> 00:17:34,428 but the man I brought wants to talk about an article." 271 00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:39,558 I think Sean Penn cheated on her. 272 00:17:39,641 --> 00:17:43,562 Sean Penn He doesn't even mention a movie. 273 00:17:44,229 --> 00:17:46,774 Hollywood people takes advantage of others all the time, 274 00:17:46,857 --> 00:17:50,319 but normally they don't physically put them in danger as in this case. 275 00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:52,362 She could have ended up dead. 276 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:55,491 I got uncomfortable. 277 00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:58,160 And I turned around and told him... 278 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,082 "What does Sean say, friend, "Maybe he can do an interview with you." 279 00:18:03,957 --> 00:18:06,001 And he says to me: "Like an interview? For what?" 280 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:07,920 [in English] "For Rolling Stone magazine." 281 00:18:08,879 --> 00:18:11,090 And me: "For Rolling Stone magazine." 282 00:18:11,173 --> 00:18:14,343 And he turns to his children and says: "Do you know that magazine?" 283 00:18:14,843 --> 00:18:17,805 And Ivan turns around and says: "Yes, dad, I... 284 00:18:18,555 --> 00:18:21,058 I have heard of that magazine, I have seen it. "I know which one it is." 285 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:25,104 Then he said, "Yes, yes, I do. 286 00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:28,023 Friend, if you believe That's a good thing, I do it. 287 00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:30,609 I said, "I can't believe it." 288 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,989 [Andrés] I feel like she was surprised. 289 00:18:36,073 --> 00:18:39,701 was not part of the project they had in the beginning. 290 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:42,037 They were supposed to talk of the movie. 291 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,082 Don't talk about an interview. 292 00:18:45,165 --> 00:18:48,836 I would say that, from the conversation that remained... 293 00:18:50,546 --> 00:18:51,547 ...that he... 294 00:18:52,422 --> 00:18:57,094 ...in many ways, I wanted to make statements. 295 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:00,764 No one has ever interviewed him. 296 00:19:01,682 --> 00:19:03,267 This has never happened. 297 00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:07,646 In my head, I said, "There's a reason he is." saying, because he is no fool. 298 00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:11,567 So I'm thinking about all this at a thousand per hour. 299 00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:15,028 I say: "Maybe he says that because he doesn't We know what is going to happen to Mr. Guzmán, 300 00:19:15,487 --> 00:19:21,160 then the movie can be based on that article, in Sean's interview." 301 00:19:22,494 --> 00:19:26,081 So I said, "OK," I calmed down a little, I breathed. 302 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:30,460 I tried not to let them notice that I made myself uncomfortable. 303 00:19:30,544 --> 00:19:33,172 So, I turn to Sean and say: "That says yes." 304 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:38,552 And he says, "OK. And do you believe I can ask you questions right now. 305 00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:41,346 Or can I stay here for two days?" 306 00:19:44,057 --> 00:19:50,814 "What does Sean say if he can stay for two days?" with you to do the interview." 307 00:19:50,898 --> 00:19:52,316 I already knew the answer... 308 00:19:52,941 --> 00:19:56,486 Then he says to me: "Tell him Damn, I just met him." 309 00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:00,449 And I: "He just met you. 310 00:20:00,532 --> 00:20:04,995 And that you can't stay because he He doesn't live here. "He's not going to stay here." 311 00:20:05,078 --> 00:20:08,624 And he says, "OK. ask him "If I can return in eight days." 312 00:20:08,707 --> 00:20:10,334 I'm not liking the insistence. 313 00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:13,170 "He says if he can come back in eight days." 314 00:20:13,253 --> 00:20:16,548 He tells me: "Well, first of all, He's not coming back alone, friend. 315 00:20:17,674 --> 00:20:20,552 If you don't come, of course, there is no interview. 316 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:22,179 Also, who is going to translate for us?" 317 00:20:22,262 --> 00:20:26,350 So I said, "Sean, that you alone are not going to come. 318 00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:29,603 And what if I can return? in eight days with you, then yes." 319 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,856 And he says to me: "Can you?" And I... 320 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:36,109 I said yes. 321 00:20:36,735 --> 00:20:38,570 Because I felt cornered. 322 00:20:39,363 --> 00:20:41,740 But I didn't feel like going back. 323 00:20:41,823 --> 00:20:45,244 It is extremely dangerous what we were already doing there. 324 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:49,289 When Sean said it was for Rolling Stone, she could have said: 325 00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:53,252 "Sorry, no. "That's not what we agreed to." 326 00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:55,545 That wouldn't have been good for Sean Penn. 327 00:20:57,464 --> 00:21:01,260 [Andrés] So, out of nowhere, Let a person come and tell you... 328 00:21:01,343 --> 00:21:05,138 Mr. Guzmán automatically said that for safety reasons I was not going to do it. 329 00:21:05,555 --> 00:21:08,475 I wanted to sit, watch, ask him questions 330 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:12,771 and then use that as the basis of the article. 331 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,024 Sean insisted again: 332 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,444 [with an English accent] "Dude, can we take a picture?" 333 00:21:20,237 --> 00:21:21,071 "So that?". 334 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:23,407 "For Rolling Stone magazine, 335 00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:25,242 so they know that I was with you 336 00:21:25,325 --> 00:21:27,703 and I'm not inventing that I was with someone else." 337 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:28,870 And he said: 338 00:21:29,246 --> 00:21:30,539 "How do you see, friend?" 339 00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:33,750 And I... "Well, whatever, friend." 340 00:21:34,501 --> 00:21:35,502 "Well, yes." 341 00:21:35,961 --> 00:21:38,422 [sighs] I said, "I can't believe what I'm hearing right now. 342 00:21:38,505 --> 00:21:40,716 "I can't believe what's happening." 343 00:21:43,051 --> 00:21:47,055 [Epigmenio] It seems to me that the photo between Kate, El Chapo and Sean Penn 344 00:21:47,139 --> 00:21:50,517 It is a product of the tension of the moment for Kate. 345 00:21:50,934 --> 00:21:52,311 If they tell you: 346 00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:53,854 "Shall we take a photo?" 347 00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:57,816 I want to see the guy who is able to tell him: 348 00:21:57,899 --> 00:22:00,027 "I don't appear in photos with you." 349 00:22:01,069 --> 00:22:02,070 I want to see it. 350 00:22:04,531 --> 00:22:06,575 [Kate] We came back from taking photos 351 00:22:07,868 --> 00:22:09,661 and he said to me: "Friend... 352 00:22:10,245 --> 00:22:12,039 I think it's time before you go to sleep." 353 00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:15,000 And I said, "Yeah, yeah. I think so, man." 354 00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:18,295 I stopped. Immediately He stopped to pull my chair. 355 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,839 And he told me: "I'll accompany you." 356 00:22:21,798 --> 00:22:26,136 It was one of those seconds when Your whole life passes before you. 357 00:22:26,219 --> 00:22:27,888 I turned to see Sean... 358 00:22:30,182 --> 00:22:33,018 ...with a face of "help, what do I do, what do I say, 359 00:22:33,101 --> 00:22:35,020 "What's going to happen now?" 360 00:22:35,729 --> 00:22:41,318 The truth is, they were seconds in which... one thinks the worst. 361 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:44,279 And also, without being able to do anything. What else could I do? 362 00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:46,490 I turned around, 363 00:22:46,573 --> 00:22:49,534 I started walking, he caught up with me here, 364 00:22:49,618 --> 00:22:52,370 He took me by the arm, by the elbow, 365 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,456 and led me. 366 00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:55,791 And we keep walking... 367 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:02,214 ...to the entrance of a room, and he told me: 368 00:23:04,299 --> 00:23:06,885 "This is going to be your room. "You're going to sleep here." 369 00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:09,054 There was no one there to see us. 370 00:23:09,137 --> 00:23:11,515 could have done whatever he wanted with me, really. 371 00:23:13,642 --> 00:23:16,812 [Diego] Kate was in danger, at risk. 372 00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:18,563 At the end of the day, 373 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,233 you are in a wild world, you are in the jungle. 374 00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:25,028 [Sabina] He had her at his mercy. Kate knew it. 375 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:28,406 That is, he did not say: "Since I have Kate here... 376 00:23:28,698 --> 00:23:30,575 Well then, I cross the limits, 377 00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:34,996 I touch her body, I kiss her, I physically possess her..." 378 00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:42,170 I think for Kate it was more fear. of "what if he does something to me?" 379 00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:46,341 Or "they can kill me, or they can rape me." It was in his hands. 380 00:23:47,592 --> 00:23:48,844 Good part 381 00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:54,432 the way it is being understood the history of drug trafficking 382 00:23:54,516 --> 00:23:56,977 and the paper of characters like El Chapo right now 383 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:59,229 it is with this nostalgic idea 384 00:23:59,312 --> 00:24:02,440 that in the past, there were good bosses. 385 00:24:02,524 --> 00:24:03,900 That's not true. 386 00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:07,237 It is said that there are codes of ethics that broke. 387 00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:11,533 That before there were codes of ethics not to attack women, 388 00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:13,743 not to affect families, 389 00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:17,956 to respect those who were not involved in business. 390 00:24:18,790 --> 00:24:19,833 It's false. 391 00:24:19,916 --> 00:24:24,379 Women were like merchandise, as Kate says there. 392 00:24:24,754 --> 00:24:28,466 The women were especially to have pleasure 393 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:32,596 and the drug traffickers didn't care much to marry them, 394 00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:35,098 or they married one, but then they had another one. 395 00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:37,267 And if they didn't like them, they raped them. 396 00:24:38,393 --> 00:24:40,854 The relationship that El Chapo has 397 00:24:41,396 --> 00:24:43,899 when he is in Puente Grande... 398 00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:47,444 It is made there of a girlfriend, a prison cook. 399 00:24:47,527 --> 00:24:49,863 Rather he forces her to be with him 400 00:24:49,946 --> 00:24:51,990 because "you can't reject Chapo." 401 00:24:52,073 --> 00:24:54,576 She puts it more in those terms. 402 00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:59,247 Well, this relationship that he had in Puente Grande with Zulema, 403 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,208 the love letters he wrote to her... 404 00:25:01,791 --> 00:25:03,877 They were cheesy. 405 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,712 You don't think either 406 00:25:06,129 --> 00:25:10,217 that one of the criminals most important in the country is so corny, 407 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:13,136 in his writing and in his way of being and such. 408 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,640 Zulema Hernández ended up murdered. 409 00:25:16,723 --> 00:25:19,309 Apparently, They were said to be Los Zetas. 410 00:25:21,102 --> 00:25:24,272 [Diego] It was in a trunk of a truck. 411 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:28,568 I was disfigured and with "Z" marks on his body. 412 00:25:34,908 --> 00:25:36,076 [Kate] He stared at me. 413 00:25:37,577 --> 00:25:38,453 And I said... 414 00:25:38,536 --> 00:25:39,746 [snorts] 415 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:42,457 "Let's see what happens." 416 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:46,294 I told him: "Friend, Don't forget the tweet. 417 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:49,256 Don't forget what I told you in that tweet 418 00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:51,424 and why we are here. 419 00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:56,638 You have to do good. let's do the good Let's do something good. 420 00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:59,474 And from this movie, I would like part of the profits 421 00:25:59,557 --> 00:26:03,144 they went to the families that have been affected by organized crime". 422 00:26:04,187 --> 00:26:07,857 I don't know. Because I was very nervous. 423 00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:12,070 But I said, "I have to say it. I'm here. This is my only chance. 424 00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:15,073 There won't be another chance. And I have to tell him that." 425 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:17,284 He told me: "Friend... 426 00:26:18,743 --> 00:26:19,953 ...I wasn't wrong about you. 427 00:26:20,036 --> 00:26:21,246 You have a big heart. 428 00:26:22,372 --> 00:26:23,373 "Let's do that." 429 00:26:24,499 --> 00:26:25,792 He tells me: "I'm leaving now. 430 00:26:26,334 --> 00:26:28,878 I never stay Where are my guests staying? 431 00:26:28,962 --> 00:26:31,423 for their safety and for mine too. 432 00:26:32,007 --> 00:26:34,592 So you won't see me anymore. Here I say goodbye. 433 00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:40,432 And thank you, because you have given me one of the best hours in a long time. 434 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:42,642 and hugged me again 435 00:26:43,393 --> 00:26:44,853 and he told me: "I'm leaving." 436 00:27:02,495 --> 00:27:04,539 [Kate] We were coming back from the mountains. 437 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,753 We came with a very strong adrenaline. We were excited about many things. 438 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:12,255 We lived an experience like no other. 439 00:27:12,339 --> 00:27:14,507 We were also very tired. 440 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,345 I fell asleep, and Sean hugged me 441 00:27:18,428 --> 00:27:21,306 and put my head on his shoulder. 442 00:27:21,723 --> 00:27:23,433 I think I touched his chest. 443 00:27:24,726 --> 00:27:26,603 Or something like that happened. Then he told me... 444 00:27:26,686 --> 00:27:30,565 Later he told me: "At that moment in which you touched my chest 445 00:27:30,648 --> 00:27:32,776 I knew something was going to happen between us." 446 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:38,698 I think maybe people don't know that she is a strong woman, 447 00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:41,409 but he fell in love a little. 448 00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,829 And people are not aware from that aspect of what happened, so... 449 00:27:45,288 --> 00:27:46,664 I understand it, to a certain extent. 450 00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:49,417 He's that kind of movie star... 451 00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:52,962 ...rustic and attractive. 452 00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:57,008 I said, "Sean Penn? Really? 453 00:27:57,092 --> 00:27:58,093 That guy?" 454 00:27:58,968 --> 00:28:02,430 Sure, he can be fascinating, but not as a friend, 455 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:04,974 and much less as the seducer that he is. 456 00:28:05,058 --> 00:28:08,311 Because he, of course, like many men, tried to seduce Kate. 457 00:28:08,853 --> 00:28:14,526 When we returned, we were sensitive. Everything happened. 458 00:28:14,609 --> 00:28:19,864 So, well, I think it was something perhaps logical that could happen. 459 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:26,788 It has, or at least that's what I thought... He was very sensitive to many causes. 460 00:28:26,871 --> 00:28:29,207 He showed me videos of Haiti, 461 00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:32,210 videos of how he has helped... 462 00:28:32,585 --> 00:28:35,255 And I saw him cry. We cry together. 463 00:28:35,338 --> 00:28:38,258 He knew how to say things that I wanted to hear. 464 00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:40,885 He knew how to gain my complete trust. 465 00:28:41,428 --> 00:28:43,972 Yes, it was a relationship which occurred due to circumstances. 466 00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:45,640 I enjoyed it, and... 467 00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:48,143 ...I have no regrets other than that. 468 00:28:50,103 --> 00:28:52,272 Well, I fell, friend. What can I tell you? 469 00:29:10,665 --> 00:29:15,545 After Kate del Castillo's visit and Sean Penn with El Chapo Guzmán, 470 00:29:15,962 --> 00:29:18,047 there was an attempt to capture 471 00:29:18,506 --> 00:29:20,425 from the federal government. 472 00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:23,136 But they don't capture him. 473 00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:26,222 It has a surprising capacity Mr. Guzman 474 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:28,475 In other words, it turns the government around. 475 00:29:29,392 --> 00:29:34,647 Besides, the knowledge of the mountains. Not everyone has that information. 476 00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:37,859 He managed all of that. It was always there. 477 00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:40,028 Of course he totally knew 478 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:43,948 details and places where he could hide. 479 00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,786 The National Security Commission confirmed that Joaquín Guzmán Loera 480 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:50,789 fled hastily in a recapture operation. 481 00:29:50,872 --> 00:29:54,042 It has now been revealed that the injuries who suffered in the face and leg 482 00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,503 were due to rolling down a ravine 483 00:29:56,586 --> 00:29:58,671 in the municipality of Cosalá, Sinaloa. 484 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:04,135 No, what I know was because El Chapo told me by text. 485 00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:09,849 He told me that the military had entered and that they had killed many people. 486 00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:15,104 I don't know. I looked for it by many means. Nothing came out. 487 00:30:15,188 --> 00:30:18,691 Suddenly something appeared in a newspaper which is called The Debate. 488 00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:21,277 [helicopter whirring] 489 00:30:21,361 --> 00:30:23,530 [Kate] They put a live video 490 00:30:23,613 --> 00:30:27,242 and the gunshots were heard, the helicopters could be heard. 491 00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:28,743 They were running. 492 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,204 People running and saying: "They're killing people." 493 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:33,706 [shots] 494 00:30:37,544 --> 00:30:39,212 [man] The soldiers attack us. 495 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,422 [child] I want them to leave. 496 00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:46,052 [man] This filming is for you Fuck all the human rights people. 497 00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:48,096 [child] I'm scared, mom. 498 00:30:48,388 --> 00:30:50,056 [man] Sons of their mother bitch! 499 00:30:50,139 --> 00:30:52,016 [man] Don't panic. 500 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:53,184 [crying] 501 00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:56,437 [Kate] According to Sean, they practically came for us 502 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:58,314 because they knew we were there. 503 00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:01,860 And they didn't want to enter when we were there 504 00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:06,447 so that they wouldn't do something to us, They were going to kill, they were going to confuse us, 505 00:31:06,531 --> 00:31:07,407 for whatever it is, 506 00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:11,536 as if our lives were worth more than those of the people who are there. 507 00:31:12,078 --> 00:31:14,247 I was at home there with the children. 508 00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:18,668 When we least think about it, the helicopter... We thought it was just passing through, as always. 509 00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:22,213 When he turned around, He began to spray bullets. 510 00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:23,506 How is everything in Mexico, 511 00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:26,050 It is difficult to know when the government 512 00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:29,596 he is telling them the truth to its citizens. 513 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:33,182 So it's hard for people decipher what is news 514 00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:34,434 and what it is not. 515 00:31:34,851 --> 00:31:36,269 In those days 516 00:31:36,352 --> 00:31:41,316 We were convinced that The persecution of Chapo was very strong. 517 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,776 There were no massacres. There were accidents. 518 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:46,362 There were accidents, there were people who was very scared, 519 00:31:46,446 --> 00:31:48,615 that he had to leave... because they came 520 00:31:48,698 --> 00:31:51,618 and, obviously, there is no search warrants or anything legal. 521 00:31:52,285 --> 00:31:55,705 [Daniel] I wanted to see with my own eyes the evidence of this shooting. 522 00:31:56,372 --> 00:31:59,918 People weren't talking about multiple victims. 523 00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:04,255 He talked, above all, about how they shot, or very randomly 524 00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:07,091 and they didn't kill anyone by a miracle, 525 00:32:07,175 --> 00:32:10,219 or very precisely, 526 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:14,766 with the aim of intimidating and terrorizing to local people 527 00:32:14,849 --> 00:32:16,059 and send a message. 528 00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:20,772 Don't know. I don't know what happened exactly. The truth is, I don't know. 529 00:32:23,191 --> 00:32:25,151 Well, those are the things that... 530 00:32:25,234 --> 00:32:26,486 [wheezes] 531 00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:34,160 ...which obviously hurt me and they make me feel very guilty, 532 00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:38,206 and they are of things which I regret. 533 00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:43,836 Maybe, if we hadn't gone, none of that would have happened. 534 00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:46,631 And the "would have" no longer exists. 535 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:51,260 And that was no longer in my hands, right? 536 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:53,680 Many things were not in my hands. 537 00:33:08,444 --> 00:33:11,197 [Ismael] The sources that we had they told us: 538 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:12,615 "You know what? 539 00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:15,702 El Chapo Guzmán just met with Kate del Castillo 540 00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:18,788 in the Cosalá UAS reserve". 541 00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:22,333 [Kate] Looks like this is the place where we are. 542 00:33:23,292 --> 00:33:25,211 It may be that place, mind you. 543 00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:29,841 I don't remember much, honestly, because everything was very dark. 544 00:33:30,383 --> 00:33:34,846 We did the tour in the reserve with the help of the people who work there. 545 00:33:34,929 --> 00:33:39,892 We take photos of the cabins inside and out. 546 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:45,314 And I already noted that, indeed, they had reunited Kate del Castillo and El Chapo 547 00:33:45,398 --> 00:33:48,151 in the university's ecological reserve. 548 00:33:49,777 --> 00:33:52,780 The room where Kate del Castillo was 549 00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:54,615 It was called "Hummingbird." 550 00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:00,204 Yes I remember that my room... 551 00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:05,043 Well, the room where I fell asleep with Sean and with the other two producers, 552 00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:07,295 It was like that and it was divided by a screen. 553 00:34:07,378 --> 00:34:09,005 This could be the place. 554 00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:15,428 I got his house phone with a contact in Mexico City. 555 00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:20,308 When she took the call, I told her: 556 00:34:20,391 --> 00:34:24,604 "Look, I'm Ismael Bojorquez, editor of the Ríodoce newspaper, etc.". 557 00:34:26,481 --> 00:34:29,567 "Hey, Kate, just ask." if you were recently in Sinaloa. 558 00:34:29,650 --> 00:34:31,527 "We understand that you were here." 559 00:34:32,528 --> 00:34:35,406 "Sinaloa? I have never been to Sinaloa." 560 00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:37,825 "Weren't you in the Cosalá reserve?" 561 00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:38,951 "No not at all". 562 00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:41,454 "We have the version that you were there." 563 00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:43,539 "I don't even know where Cosalá is, mind you." 564 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:46,250 "Hey, how did you get this phone?" 565 00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:47,668 "In Mexico City." 566 00:34:48,211 --> 00:34:51,881 "First, I don't like you talking to me to my house. Second, I don't know you. 567 00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:54,842 And third, any nonsense that they are inventing or saying...". 568 00:34:55,301 --> 00:34:58,054 "...they already have me really bad." 569 00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:03,518 Yes. Yes I remember that conversation. But they never told me where they were from. 570 00:35:03,601 --> 00:35:08,064 That he was... a journalist. I don't remember that they would have told me that I was a journalist. 571 00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:10,858 Yes I remember They spoke to me and my pressure lowered. 572 00:35:12,068 --> 00:35:13,444 It really broke me, because 573 00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:17,281 I said: "These guys already know. These already know it's us. 574 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:19,325 "Everything is going to come to light." 575 00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:22,120 I felt completely helpless. 576 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:26,415 Obviously, I told Sean and I told them to everyone who spoke to me to tell me that, 577 00:35:26,499 --> 00:35:29,836 but it's very strange because they said "Cosala" 578 00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:31,129 and not "Cosalá". 579 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:34,257 In my mind I said: "This must be a DEA guy, 580 00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:37,927 one of those gringos that they don't know how to pronounce well. 581 00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:41,556 Because someone there knows perfectly which is not "Cosala", it is "Cosalá". 582 00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:45,434 But no, I didn't even know what to answer. 583 00:35:45,518 --> 00:35:47,436 But I do remember when he spoke. 584 00:36:09,792 --> 00:36:12,253 [Don] She is a woman who takes risks. 585 00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:15,298 The first risk that I know 586 00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:19,343 was that he decided to come to the place harder to break through: 587 00:36:19,427 --> 00:36:20,261 Los Angeles. 588 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,139 And it makes its way to Los Angeles. 589 00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:25,057 But maybe that's not enough 590 00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:28,477 and goes in search... of Chapo. 591 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,105 At tremendous risk, 592 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:35,568 because it is related to drug trafficking, with crime, with killing... 593 00:36:35,651 --> 00:36:38,821 But he is a mythical character. 594 00:36:39,572 --> 00:36:43,910 Yes to anyone who works in our world 595 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:46,954 they would have offered an interview with El Chapo, 596 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,831 anyone would have gone. 597 00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:50,750 I would have gone. 598 00:36:51,918 --> 00:36:55,796 If they had told me: "We are leaving you to present Chapo Guzmán. Get ready... 599 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,549 You can't tell anyone about this..." 600 00:36:58,633 --> 00:37:00,468 Would I have done it? 601 00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:03,679 I wouldn't have thought twice. Of course I would have done it. 602 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:07,934 [Héctor] Kate del Castillo She is not very awake to say the least. 603 00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:10,770 He put himself in a very dangerous situation. 604 00:37:10,853 --> 00:37:15,149 Compared to Chapo Guzmán, Charles Manson is a boy scout. 605 00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:20,613 He is a sociopath who has no compassion for human life. 606 00:37:21,614 --> 00:37:25,576 The possibility of contact with a character like that... 607 00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:30,873 which does not mean positively sanction their action, 608 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:33,626 but to know their motives, tell your story... 609 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,297 That tempts anyone. 610 00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:40,299 Because you have to tell the story, 611 00:37:40,383 --> 00:37:44,387 and you count it while there where the events occur, 612 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:46,305 not sitting at a desk. 613 00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:04,073 [Kate] We had signed the rights, but 614 00:38:04,156 --> 00:38:09,287 Chapo's movie plans They were on pause. 615 00:38:11,372 --> 00:38:14,583 After we went to see al Chapo in October, 616 00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:17,837 was dedicated to Sean's article. 617 00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:25,803 And I was still loyal to Rolling Stone and Sean. 618 00:38:27,763 --> 00:38:30,975 At that time, I couldn't tell him to anyone because it is something very delicate. 619 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,853 It wasn't something for me to be telling everyone. 620 00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:38,441 I was the middle point between Sean Penn and El Chapo Guzmán. 621 00:38:38,524 --> 00:38:42,903 And it wasn't easy because the man was a fugitive. 622 00:38:44,947 --> 00:38:50,911 I constantly lived in fear or the anguish of the Lord calling me, 623 00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:52,413 to call me Sean. 624 00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:55,458 Then we had disposable phones 625 00:38:55,916 --> 00:38:58,419 with whom I lived all the time pinned next to my bed. 626 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:02,590 Awful. It was a tension horrible, horrible, horrible. 627 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:08,095 Yes, and also the fatigue emotional and physical, because you don't sleep. 628 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,890 I was very afraid all night. 629 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:17,730 I couldn't support myself. Who did I support? With Sean. 630 00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:19,565 In those moments, with Sean. 631 00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:23,402 What was it... We were living both the same. 632 00:39:25,988 --> 00:39:27,490 And I know that I was never alone, 633 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,452 but they are the moments in which I have felt alone. 634 00:39:34,121 --> 00:39:35,915 I HAVE NO INTENTION TO PUBLISH ANYTHING 635 00:39:35,998 --> 00:39:38,292 UNTIL THE MAN AND HIS GROUP YOU HAVE SEEN IT... 636 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:41,420 OK, MY LOVE. I ALREADY UNDERSTAND. 637 00:39:41,837 --> 00:39:45,966 A IS SAYING THAT ANY MISTAKE IT WILL BE VERY BAD. ARE YOU THERE? 638 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,803 YES, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE WHAT TO GO FRONT WITH THEM 639 00:39:48,886 --> 00:39:50,930 AND DON'T SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE ELSE. 640 00:39:51,347 --> 00:39:54,809 IT'S SMART. HE WILL TELL US WHAT IT IS WHAT HE AND THE BOSS CAN DO. 641 00:40:07,863 --> 00:40:12,493 We went to make a video at the Beverly Hills Hotel. 642 00:40:12,576 --> 00:40:14,912 They were staying there Sulichín and Ibáñez. 643 00:40:14,995 --> 00:40:17,706 And then there we met once with Sean 644 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:21,627 to tell him that we needed a video and if you could send it to us, 645 00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:23,796 even if it's five seconds of him, 646 00:40:23,879 --> 00:40:26,048 so we know that it is him who is answering 647 00:40:26,132 --> 00:40:29,260 Rolling Stone was asking for it as verification, 648 00:40:29,343 --> 00:40:33,264 to give truth to this and that we don't see her... 649 00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:35,975 And I said: "That's why they already have the photo, that is... 650 00:40:37,059 --> 00:40:38,811 The photo is fine." 651 00:40:38,894 --> 00:40:40,938 "No, video, video." Well there you have me. 652 00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:45,985 [Kate] Dude, I'm here with Sean and we want to tell you something. 653 00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:48,195 [Sean] Hello, friend. 654 00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:50,406 [in English] Kate will translate, 655 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,451 but we are trying find a way to send you 656 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:55,536 a video we made. 657 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:56,912 If you can explain... 658 00:40:56,996 --> 00:41:00,207 [Kate] We're trying... I am the one who is going to translate for you. 659 00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:05,880 We are trying to send you a video to explain how you have to do it. 660 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:09,008 [Kate] I put all that on a USB. 661 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:15,181 The next time I went to Mexico I was going to the Phoenix Awards. 662 00:41:15,264 --> 00:41:19,059 I'm going next to Kate. First we were in Los Angeles. Later, in Marbella. 663 00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:21,562 And now here, in your country. How are you, Kate? 664 00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,981 Welcome to my country. Welcome to Mexico. 665 00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:26,066 He had arranged to meet one of the lawyers. 666 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:30,821 He left me a message under another name in my hotel 667 00:41:30,905 --> 00:41:33,908 to tell me where and what time did he meet me? 668 00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:35,868 so I can deliver that to you. 669 00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:41,373 The message said: "See you in Xochimilco at such entrance at such time." 670 00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:44,168 Me: "Damn! Xochimilco...". 671 00:41:51,926 --> 00:41:55,846 [Kate] So we arrived at Xochimilco and there is no light at all. 672 00:41:57,723 --> 00:42:00,100 [Andrés] She arrived late, at two thirty in the morning. 673 00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:03,103 And it was a place that was sought to go unnoticed, 674 00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:05,856 because if I quoted her anywhere, They were going to locate us. 675 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,529 [Kate] I see some parked cars, and suddenly one turns on his light. 676 00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:12,947 [car door opens and closes] 677 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:15,282 And I see four people get off. 678 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:17,743 They told me: "Come here." 679 00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:24,166 I thought that nothing more was going to come, I was going to give the USB, period, and I was going to leave. 680 00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,170 Then they told me to get me on the trajinera. 681 00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:31,131 And well, I got on the trajinera. Impossible to say "no". 682 00:42:31,215 --> 00:42:32,758 I felt trapped. 683 00:42:33,717 --> 00:42:35,761 They put me on the trajinera and we go. 684 00:42:38,472 --> 00:42:40,933 There it really scared me because I said: 685 00:42:41,016 --> 00:42:44,895 "I know the lawyer. But I don't know these three people. 686 00:42:45,771 --> 00:42:47,022 "I don't know who they are." 687 00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:50,693 And then, we are through the passages... 688 00:42:50,776 --> 00:42:53,070 If anyone knows Xochimilco, this is... 689 00:42:53,153 --> 00:42:55,281 We call it "the Venice of Mexico." 690 00:42:57,157 --> 00:43:01,203 It was night here. And absolutely no light anywhere. 691 00:43:02,204 --> 00:43:05,207 This meeting was nothing more to give you the USB. 692 00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:08,919 What I wanted was to return, 693 00:43:09,003 --> 00:43:12,089 or if whatever happened, What will happen now? 694 00:43:14,883 --> 00:43:18,345 I told them: "I think it's time that we return. 695 00:43:18,429 --> 00:43:21,473 I'm very tired. I have to work tomorrow and... 696 00:43:22,391 --> 00:43:24,393 Please, we have to go back." 697 00:43:27,021 --> 00:43:28,105 "Well... 698 00:43:28,856 --> 00:43:30,274 Turn it over, turn it over!" 699 00:43:31,817 --> 00:43:36,280 And that's it. We return. But we had already been, I don't know, two hours. 700 00:43:38,324 --> 00:43:41,035 And just when I'm leaving of the trajinera, 701 00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:44,246 I go out, and the one who came rowing recognizes me. 702 00:43:45,914 --> 00:43:48,667 "Oh! I didn't realize that you were!" 703 00:43:48,751 --> 00:43:52,880 Well, selfie. With the trajinera, and with the other three. 704 00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:55,758 I don't want those selfies to appear 705 00:43:55,841 --> 00:43:59,094 and let them think that I I'm partying with them. 706 00:44:06,602 --> 00:44:08,312 I ended up arriving at the hotel 707 00:44:09,063 --> 00:44:12,149 at four, four thirty in the morning. 708 00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:14,068 I closed the door 709 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:18,113 and I started crying and crying and crying 710 00:44:18,197 --> 00:44:22,159 but... as a little girl, since it had been a long time since I had cried. 711 00:44:22,242 --> 00:44:24,078 Out loud. A horrible thing. 712 00:44:25,037 --> 00:44:29,166 Also a little reproaching myself: "Why Am I getting involved in these things? 713 00:44:29,249 --> 00:44:31,043 "Why am I risking my life like that?" 714 00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:34,004 There I didn't feel protected. 715 00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:35,172 There yes 716 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:38,717 I was alone with four people, 717 00:44:39,134 --> 00:44:40,260 and he only knew one. 718 00:44:41,428 --> 00:44:44,014 That experience was much worse... 719 00:44:45,182 --> 00:44:48,769 ...than having gone to Sinaloa to see me with El Chapo. 720 00:44:53,899 --> 00:44:58,570 The next mission was to receive the video that we had asked Chapo. 721 00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:02,282 I had Sean here all the time, stuck to me, 722 00:45:02,366 --> 00:45:04,201 pushing me and pushing me. 723 00:45:04,284 --> 00:45:07,746 At the same time, I also pressed to Mr. Guzmán, 724 00:45:08,997 --> 00:45:11,834 saying, "Friend, how are you doing with this? How are you doing with the video? 725 00:45:11,917 --> 00:45:14,211 Did you take the video? Did you answer the questions?" 726 00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:17,423 At the end, he told me: 727 00:45:18,298 --> 00:45:19,425 "I already have it." 728 00:45:20,843 --> 00:45:23,637 It turns out that a person I was going to go to New York, 729 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,764 and I asked that person for a favor. I told him: 730 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:27,641 "Hey, they want to send me some things. 731 00:45:27,724 --> 00:45:30,686 I'm not sure what it is They are going to give it to you, but please, bring it to me 732 00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:32,020 and I'll see you in New York." 733 00:45:32,104 --> 00:45:33,105 "Yes, of course." 734 00:45:33,188 --> 00:45:34,022 And so it was. 735 00:45:35,357 --> 00:45:37,526 It was a telephone, literally. 736 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,779 I turned it on and started looking for things, 737 00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:44,199 and suddenly I saw a video, and I see his face, 738 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,327 I see the face of Chapo Guzmán, 739 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:51,748 with a blue shirt, sitting in a chair like this, 740 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,333 most relaxed. 741 00:45:53,709 --> 00:45:56,837 And his face like this, from the front, and speaking to the camera. 742 00:45:59,089 --> 00:46:03,802 I was absorbed by the demystification what that video achieved. 743 00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:07,598 It was giving it a face, giving it a voice, 744 00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:09,057 to the myth. 745 00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:13,479 If you cared about your anonymity... 746 00:46:14,646 --> 00:46:16,273 ...is the biggest mistake in the world. 747 00:46:17,191 --> 00:46:21,487 I want to make it clear that the content of this interview... 748 00:46:22,988 --> 00:46:27,534 ...is exclusive for Miss Kate del Castillo 749 00:46:28,577 --> 00:46:30,579 and Mr. Sean Penn.