1 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:15,971 My sister Rita, 2 00:00:17,308 --> 00:00:18,888 she was my best friend. 3 00:00:20,854 --> 00:00:22,904 Rita would ask me when it was time to go to bed, 4 00:00:22,981 --> 00:00:24,821 and we would share a room together. 5 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:27,608 Uh, she would say, "Would you like me to sing you to sleep 6 00:00:27,694 --> 00:00:29,284 or play you the flute?" 7 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:34,907 Rita was the number one flute player at the Georgetown High School. 8 00:00:35,326 --> 00:00:36,906 She was in the drill team. 9 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:41,123 Rita and Kevin were just starting to date. 10 00:00:41,916 --> 00:00:45,916 They were going to the Highland Mall in Austin, Texas 11 00:00:46,421 --> 00:00:49,381 to go see the movie Midnight Express. 12 00:00:53,178 --> 00:00:54,888 On the way home, 13 00:00:55,221 --> 00:00:58,601 the car ran out of gas on I-35. 14 00:01:00,518 --> 00:01:05,768 My father told us later that he had seen Rita and Kevin walking, 15 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:08,567 but didn't know it was his daughter. 16 00:01:11,946 --> 00:01:15,236 The next morning, she hadn't come home. 17 00:01:16,701 --> 00:01:20,081 So that's when the family started to panic. 18 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:23,955 And then, Tuesday morning, 19 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:26,626 my mother was beside herself. 20 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:29,797 She was cleaning out a closet to stay busy, 21 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:31,715 when suddenly, 22 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:35,345 my sister... my older sister heard on the radio 23 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:39,354 that they had found a body in McLennan County. 24 00:01:40,308 --> 00:01:43,018 And my sister screamed and told my mother, 25 00:01:43,478 --> 00:01:45,558 "That's Rita! They found Rita!" 26 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:49,691 And my mother said to my older sister, 27 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:51,066 "No, it's not. 28 00:01:51,653 --> 00:01:54,163 It's not my daughter. That is not Rita." 29 00:01:57,450 --> 00:02:00,620 Law enforcement called us to the courthouse. 30 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:04,575 They took us down to the basement... 31 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:07,712 and they showed us... 32 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:09,174 Rita's clothes. 33 00:02:11,506 --> 00:02:15,466 That's when they told us that Rita had been killed. 34 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:21,269 Kevin had been shot in Georgetown 35 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:24,483 and had six bullets in his head. 36 00:02:28,231 --> 00:02:30,361 Rita's body was found in Waco. 37 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:34,070 She had run across a field, 38 00:02:34,487 --> 00:02:37,197 and they came and shot her execution-style, 39 00:02:37,282 --> 00:02:38,492 right behind the head. 40 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:45,501 Rita was killed when I was 16. 41 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:52,300 It affects everything I do, every day I live, every day I breathe. 42 00:02:53,131 --> 00:02:54,341 I miss her. 43 00:02:58,303 --> 00:02:59,803 No matter who it was, 44 00:03:00,513 --> 00:03:02,313 I just wanted justice. 45 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:13,032 Where's the murder? 46 00:03:13,109 --> 00:03:16,199 He's looking for, uh, where one of the killings was done. 47 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:17,199 He's trying to show him 48 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,120 - where the killing was done. - Another murder. 49 00:03:19,282 --> 00:03:23,622 Uh, he's, uh, directed us to the, uh, scene of another murder. 50 00:03:23,703 --> 00:03:26,413 Uh, this is a boy, uh... 51 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,630 that was with a girl that we picked up the other side of Georgetown. 52 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:33,844 They had car trouble and we stopped and picked them up. 53 00:03:33,922 --> 00:03:35,762 The boy had gotten out of the car, 54 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,840 and, uh... 55 00:03:37,592 --> 00:03:41,012 was a little ways out in front of the car when, uh, Ottis shot him. 56 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:45,345 The girl, she was trying to get out and we kept her in. 57 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:47,143 We went on to, uh... 58 00:03:47,602 --> 00:03:49,852 on up the road, uh... 59 00:03:49,938 --> 00:03:51,478 Oh, it's about, uh... 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,990 Oh, let's see. It'd be about 55 miles from here... 61 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:01,952 ...is where we shot the girl at. 62 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:03,953 Was the girl carrying anything? 63 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:05,954 Well, yeah, she had, uh... 64 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:07,577 a... a sweater, 65 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:11,251 Uh, I think that was in her arms, and I think, uh... 66 00:04:11,334 --> 00:04:13,938 I think a billfold or a purse, one of them, I don't remember which. 67 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:15,922 Uh, she had... 68 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,129 She had the sweater, I know, in her arms. 69 00:04:19,717 --> 00:04:22,797 So, uh, y-you have some, uh, information 70 00:04:22,887 --> 00:04:25,307 uh, from that body found here. 71 00:04:25,515 --> 00:04:27,925 - Yes. - Does it match to the history? 72 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:31,687 Uh, he's... 73 00:04:32,146 --> 00:04:35,526 As far as I'm concerned, he has confirmed both cases. 74 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:37,778 The girl... 75 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:42,907 The girl was killed, uh, 56 miles from here 76 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:44,491 instead of 55. 77 00:04:44,575 --> 00:04:47,325 She was carrying a sweater 78 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:49,122 in her arms when she was shot. 79 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:50,831 Hmm. 80 00:04:51,332 --> 00:04:53,842 It was a relief to know that... 81 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:56,838 they had found Rita's killer. 82 00:04:58,298 --> 00:04:59,758 I wanted him to... 83 00:04:59,841 --> 00:05:01,761 to go to prison and... 84 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:03,853 and sit on death row forever. 85 00:05:04,429 --> 00:05:08,269 Maybe not die immediately, but just sit there and think about it. 86 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:54,063 Henry Lee Lucas admits to confessing to over 600 murders, 87 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:56,605 including the one that sent him to death row. 88 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:59,111 So why did you confess to all those cases? 89 00:06:00,276 --> 00:06:01,936 Just one of them things, I guess. 90 00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:05,410 If Lucas dies by lethal injection in December, 91 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:09,910 he may take the answers to some 100 untried cases along with him. 92 00:06:10,411 --> 00:06:12,411 One of the most vicious killers in American history 93 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:14,455 is set to be put to death in a couple of weeks, 94 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:16,130 but like Ted Bundy before him, 95 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:19,209 Lucas is now desperately trying to save his own life. 96 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:22,465 I just want people to know that I'm not the mass murderer. 97 00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:26,389 If my appeal is denied, 98 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:28,806 I won't stand a chance of staying alive. 99 00:06:29,847 --> 00:06:31,097 This is Texas. 100 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:34,478 And whatever happens in Texas, 101 00:06:35,144 --> 00:06:36,814 no matter what it is, 102 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:39,691 they gonna have their way. 103 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:08,891 My last visit to death row, 104 00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:14,353 he was saying, "I think they are gonna execute me in a couple of days." 105 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:16,271 And I said, "You know, 106 00:07:16,644 --> 00:07:19,114 when you open yourself to the Lord 107 00:07:19,188 --> 00:07:20,978 to help you, 108 00:07:21,482 --> 00:07:22,532 He will." 109 00:07:24,777 --> 00:07:27,317 Unless George Bush does something or... 110 00:07:27,405 --> 00:07:29,405 or the parole board does something... 111 00:07:31,409 --> 00:07:34,949 Well, they've never given clemency here in the state of Texas yet, I don't think, 112 00:07:35,037 --> 00:07:37,167 so I don't think that they will now. 113 00:07:38,374 --> 00:07:39,794 We're a death penalty state. 114 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:42,213 Uh, we've executed a lot of people. 115 00:07:46,048 --> 00:07:49,928 Governor Bush, in over 100 other cases, 116 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:53,600 had refused to give any leniency. 117 00:07:56,684 --> 00:08:00,024 They were gonna put him to death for the Orange Socks killing. 118 00:08:01,147 --> 00:08:02,317 And I knew, 119 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:06,320 and I thought everybody knew by that time, that he hadn't done it. 120 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:09,109 Henry Lee Lucas was given the death penalty 121 00:08:09,197 --> 00:08:11,407 for the 1979 rape and murder 122 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:12,871 of an unidentified woman, 123 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:14,790 known only as Orange Socks. 124 00:08:15,244 --> 00:08:19,214 The only evidence connecting Lucas to the killing was his confession. 125 00:08:19,624 --> 00:08:22,634 But Lucas says that confession was only a lie, 126 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:25,210 and because of that, his life should be spared. 127 00:08:25,296 --> 00:08:26,796 All I did was lie. 128 00:08:27,715 --> 00:08:30,965 What about the murderers out there that's running in the street right now? 129 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:33,691 I was a lawyer for Henry Lee Lucas 130 00:08:33,721 --> 00:08:35,471 on the Orange Socks case. 131 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:42,153 It seems incredible now. I... 132 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:45,109 I don't know that I really... 133 00:08:47,276 --> 00:08:51,986 could see how crazy this case was at that time. 134 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:59,707 As soon as Jim Boutwell heard about Henry Lee Lucas, 135 00:08:59,789 --> 00:09:01,869 he was convinced that he had the man 136 00:09:01,958 --> 00:09:05,168 who not only had killed the Orange Socks victim, 137 00:09:05,253 --> 00:09:08,843 but also all the other cases up and down the interstates. 138 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:13,176 Jim Boutwell had a mystique and aura around him 139 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:16,391 that established him as untouchable. 140 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:20,604 Always had a stetson, white shirt, 141 00:09:21,185 --> 00:09:24,355 boots, belt with the seal of Texas on it. 142 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:31,361 So, when he started down the path of Henry Lee Lucas, 143 00:09:31,445 --> 00:09:32,275 uh... 144 00:09:32,363 --> 00:09:34,413 most everybody went along with him. 145 00:09:37,034 --> 00:09:39,044 His word was the word, 146 00:09:39,453 --> 00:09:42,623 and we all looked up to him, we all respected him. 147 00:09:42,707 --> 00:09:43,787 That was up there. 148 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:47,796 There's no doubt in my mind that Henry Lee Lucas murdered that girl. 149 00:09:47,878 --> 00:09:48,798 Why? 150 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,799 Uh, because of some things he told me in the initial interview, 151 00:09:53,801 --> 00:09:55,971 that only the killer could have known. 152 00:09:56,387 --> 00:10:00,217 He had not seen photographs, he had not seen the reports, 153 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:04,060 or anything prior to the time of the interview. 154 00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:06,685 Do you want to tell us, uh, just what happened? 155 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:10,112 Boutwell interviewed Henry after I interviewed him. 156 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:13,573 He told me that he didn't do it. 157 00:10:14,989 --> 00:10:16,819 So, you know, I-I... 158 00:10:16,907 --> 00:10:21,157 I just never felt comfortable with that being one of his cases. 159 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:23,075 Is this the girl... 160 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:24,374 That's the same girl. 161 00:10:24,457 --> 00:10:25,877 ...that you picked up? 162 00:10:26,083 --> 00:10:28,293 - That's the same one. - Okay. 163 00:10:28,377 --> 00:10:30,087 So I go jump on Henry again. 164 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:33,421 I said, "Now, dang it, you lying to me? You lying to him? What's the deal?" 165 00:10:33,507 --> 00:10:35,757 He said, "Ah, he just wanted to clear it, 166 00:10:35,843 --> 00:10:36,843 uh... 167 00:10:36,886 --> 00:10:38,096 so I took it for him." 168 00:10:40,139 --> 00:10:44,979 Something happened in that jail between Jim Boutwell and Henry Lee Lucas. 169 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:47,061 Some relationship formed there... 170 00:10:47,813 --> 00:10:51,653 that was such that Henry would do whatever it was 171 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:53,904 that the sheriff wanted him to do. 172 00:10:53,986 --> 00:10:55,196 Do you like him? 173 00:10:56,906 --> 00:10:58,616 Well, I don't like what he's done, 174 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:00,622 and he knows that. 175 00:11:01,744 --> 00:11:06,294 Uh, I see him on a daily basis and have for over a year now. 176 00:11:07,583 --> 00:11:08,583 Uh... 177 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:11,380 We get along. 178 00:11:12,797 --> 00:11:13,797 We get along. 179 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:18,720 We get along by not lying to each other and being truthful with each other. 180 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:21,388 So his track record is real good? 181 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:25,389 Real good or real bad, depending on how you want to look at it. 182 00:11:27,561 --> 00:11:29,811 - But he is telling the truth? - Yes. 183 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:33,358 Sheriff Boutwell was known as the person 184 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:36,236 who had the serial killer 185 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,120 that everyone in the country was talking about, 186 00:11:39,198 --> 00:11:42,828 and his ego and reputation were wrapped up in that. 187 00:11:43,953 --> 00:11:46,003 In Sheriff Boutwell's office, 188 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,870 there was a plaque on his wall, 189 00:11:48,582 --> 00:11:49,712 and it said, 190 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:52,092 "To Sheriff Jim Boutwell, 191 00:11:52,169 --> 00:11:56,759 graduate of the Henry Lee Lucas School of Psychology." 192 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:02,813 Sheriff Boutwell had Lucas' psychology down. 193 00:12:03,472 --> 00:12:06,642 He was the only one that could deal with Lucas when Lucas... 194 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:10,693 got real angry and disturbed. 195 00:12:10,771 --> 00:12:14,021 Boutwell was the one that we'd always call on to... 196 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:16,360 you know, come and fix Henry. 197 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,320 I took Henry in to see Sheriff Boutwell 198 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:24,077 in January of 1984, because Henry... 199 00:12:24,452 --> 00:12:27,292 told me that he couldn't make any more confessions 200 00:12:27,371 --> 00:12:29,751 and that he couldn't say no to the sheriff. 201 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:33,878 Anyway, Henry, uh... 202 00:12:33,961 --> 00:12:36,551 Henry's told me again that he wants to quit talking... 203 00:12:36,630 --> 00:12:39,630 - Mm-hmm. - Feels like he can't say no. 204 00:12:39,717 --> 00:12:42,507 Well, Henry, I appreciate what you've done. 205 00:12:43,637 --> 00:12:45,347 But I'm not doing it honest. 206 00:12:46,974 --> 00:12:49,064 I just don't have no control of myself. 207 00:12:50,060 --> 00:12:51,770 Well, you need to just relax. 208 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:56,034 Like you've been told... 209 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:59,571 many times before, you have a right not to talk, 210 00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:01,322 and I think, of course, 211 00:13:01,405 --> 00:13:04,065 I think you've got a right to talk too if you want to. 212 00:13:05,409 --> 00:13:08,539 I feel that some of these things that I'm accepting ain't mine. 213 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:14,076 Uh, it seems like everything I do is wrong. 214 00:13:14,376 --> 00:13:15,206 Well... 215 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:17,594 I mean, it might not look like it to you, but... 216 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:20,799 I know that I'm accepting things that do not fit. 217 00:13:22,718 --> 00:13:23,928 I just can't stop it. 218 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:26,513 Mmm. 219 00:13:26,722 --> 00:13:29,642 Well, maybe you just got it in you and it wants out. 220 00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:32,560 Once you get it all out, why, 221 00:13:32,645 --> 00:13:35,305 maybe you'll be very much more peaceful with yourself. 222 00:13:36,273 --> 00:13:37,363 Why don't you, uh... 223 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,857 Why don't you watch the television for a while? 224 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:43,242 And if your nerves are bothering you, 225 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:46,582 if you feel like you need any more medication, or need to change it, 226 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:48,289 why, all you got to do is let us know 227 00:13:48,369 --> 00:13:50,369 and we'll see a doctor and see what we can do. 228 00:13:51,872 --> 00:13:53,462 You have a guy who's on the... 229 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:56,420 brink of a nervous breakdown. 230 00:13:59,129 --> 00:14:02,299 And you have a sheriff who has... 231 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:07,510 just come in and once again manipulated him 232 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:09,564 in a way... 233 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:13,136 to satisfy what the sheriff was wanting to do. 234 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:16,227 I wish I could have seen it at the time of... 235 00:14:17,147 --> 00:14:22,737 of what was going on with the sheriff and with Lucas. 236 00:14:23,779 --> 00:14:27,369 It was clearly the result of their relationship and... and this... 237 00:14:27,449 --> 00:14:28,449 the... 238 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:29,784 um... 239 00:14:29,952 --> 00:14:32,372 a very, very sick man 240 00:14:33,747 --> 00:14:35,957 that was being manipulated by the sheriff. 241 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:39,961 That's fine. 242 00:14:42,631 --> 00:14:45,341 Jim Boutwell was utterly convinced, 243 00:14:45,426 --> 00:14:47,256 without any doubt, 244 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:49,764 that Henry was guilty for those crimes. 245 00:14:51,765 --> 00:14:55,435 It was Sheriff Boutwell's responsibility, he believed, 246 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,265 to persuade Henry to keep going, 247 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:01,816 because the facts were there and he was determined to get them. 248 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:07,776 Boutwell believed Henry to a certain extent, 249 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:09,407 I'm sure, 250 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:12,869 but he also wanted to clear his cases. 251 00:15:14,872 --> 00:15:16,792 Sheriff is an elected position. 252 00:15:17,374 --> 00:15:21,254 Every four years, Sheriff Boutwell had to run for re-election. 253 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:23,127 He was a very popular sheriff. 254 00:15:24,131 --> 00:15:25,841 He was very conscious of the voters 255 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:29,425 and I-I think he wanted to clear up a lot of cases 256 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:32,812 so that no one could say that there were a bunch of unsolved murders 257 00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:34,850 that had happened on... on his watch. 258 00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:39,435 Sheriff Boutwell had five cases in Williamson County 259 00:15:39,521 --> 00:15:41,901 that Henry Lee Lucas made confessions for. 260 00:15:43,984 --> 00:15:47,404 Rita Salazar was from Georgetown, the family was from Georgetown, 261 00:15:47,488 --> 00:15:49,488 and that's where Boutwell was the sheriff. 262 00:15:50,074 --> 00:15:54,624 You know, he wanted to close this case and be a hero to that family. 263 00:15:55,412 --> 00:15:59,082 I did see the sheriff, Jim Boutwell, come around quite often 264 00:15:59,166 --> 00:16:00,536 to talk to my mother. 265 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,170 We believed everything he said. 266 00:16:04,338 --> 00:16:05,668 He was the sheriff. 267 00:16:06,006 --> 00:16:07,876 Was the girl carrying anything? 268 00:16:08,217 --> 00:16:11,507 Well, yeah, she had, uh... a... a sweater, 269 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:15,184 Uh, I think that was in her arms, and I think, uh... 270 00:16:15,265 --> 00:16:18,435 I think a billfold or a purse, one of them, I don't remember which. 271 00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:22,939 It was easy to lead Henry to a result. 272 00:16:23,023 --> 00:16:26,113 Why did you leave the... the orange socks on the body? 273 00:16:26,735 --> 00:16:29,855 I left it on a lot of 'em. Uh, I really don't know why. 274 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:35,995 I think you had a perfect storm come together 275 00:16:36,203 --> 00:16:38,753 of a con man who will say anything 276 00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:42,713 coupled with an aggressive sheriff 277 00:16:43,168 --> 00:16:46,838 who was wanting to bolster his reputation. 278 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:49,125 Looking back on it now, 279 00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:54,636 it's obvious to me that Jim Boutwell had a lot riding on Henry Lee Lucas. 280 00:16:55,055 --> 00:16:56,965 Time is 4:20 p.m. 281 00:16:57,266 --> 00:17:01,596 The location is the Williamson County Sheriff's office in Georgetown. 282 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:07,234 Sheriff Boutwell would take Henry's inconsistencies or mistakes 283 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:10,949 as just part of the management process of his key suspect. 284 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:13,660 Where did you pick up, uh, that couple? 285 00:17:14,241 --> 00:17:16,041 In Shreveport, Louisiana. 286 00:17:16,285 --> 00:17:17,695 Shreveport, Louisiana? 287 00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:21,962 The couple we're looking at weren't picked up in Louisiana, Henry. 288 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:25,091 They were picked up, uh, in this area. 289 00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:28,378 I realize it's possible you... you might... 290 00:17:30,466 --> 00:17:32,716 be somewhat confused over things, 291 00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:34,677 but you... 292 00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:36,512 you look again... 293 00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:38,599 at the boy's picture. 294 00:17:39,516 --> 00:17:41,346 In all of Boutwell's cases, 295 00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:44,402 Henry had facts that only the killer would know, 296 00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:47,065 like the case of Carolyn Cervenka. 297 00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:52,148 There was a missing girl in Williamson County 298 00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:55,197 that was creating some problems for Sheriff Boutwell. 299 00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:58,043 You told us earlier today... 300 00:17:59,536 --> 00:18:02,286 that you abducted 301 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,122 a young girl. 302 00:18:04,208 --> 00:18:07,248 Boutwell had gotten him to confess to the murder 303 00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,416 of the missing Cervenka girl. 304 00:18:09,963 --> 00:18:12,553 I, uh, stripped her down and had sex with her again 305 00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:13,683 after I killed her. 306 00:18:14,718 --> 00:18:18,008 Henry had confessed, just like on all the others, 307 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:20,772 and gave graphic detail 308 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:23,557 about everything about Carolyn. 309 00:18:23,644 --> 00:18:27,824 Earlier you told us, Henry, about her jewelry. 310 00:18:27,898 --> 00:18:31,068 Yeah, I recall, it was a gold type necklace 311 00:18:31,151 --> 00:18:34,451 with, uh, some kind of a little design thing on the front. 312 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:38,201 And Henry had described her necklace. 313 00:18:38,826 --> 00:18:40,986 I know that I know details about it, 314 00:18:41,203 --> 00:18:42,373 such as her necklace, 315 00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:45,456 parts of the car and stuff like that, but, uh... 316 00:18:45,916 --> 00:18:49,416 I can't explain right now, uh, why I know them details. 317 00:18:50,838 --> 00:18:53,758 They finally found her months and months later. 318 00:18:53,924 --> 00:18:56,844 She had drowned, she'd had an epileptic fit. 319 00:18:58,303 --> 00:19:01,433 Drove her car into the water and drowned. 320 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:05,442 Nobody murdered Carolyn Cervenka. 321 00:19:06,436 --> 00:19:08,556 And when they pulled Carolyn up out of the creek, 322 00:19:08,647 --> 00:19:10,477 she was still wearing that necklace. 323 00:19:11,108 --> 00:19:13,648 Henry had never seen Carolyn Cervenka. 324 00:19:13,735 --> 00:19:15,645 He had never seen that necklace, 325 00:19:15,737 --> 00:19:17,947 yet he described it to a T. 326 00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:19,832 How'd that happen? 327 00:19:19,908 --> 00:19:22,788 Henry, I'm going to give you these rights once again. 328 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:26,674 I think Jim Boutwell was utterly convinced... 329 00:19:26,748 --> 00:19:28,498 You have the right to remain silent... 330 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:32,254 ...that this was accomplishing what he had set out to do, 331 00:19:32,796 --> 00:19:36,176 that there was no question that it was being handled properly. 332 00:19:36,592 --> 00:19:40,102 Sheriff Boutwell was probably one of the most professional officers 333 00:19:40,429 --> 00:19:41,849 I've been around. 334 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:45,926 He demanded his officers be credible that worked for him, 335 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:48,188 and I certainly think he was credible. 336 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,730 If there were some errors made there, 337 00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:52,694 I wish he was here to explain 338 00:19:53,525 --> 00:19:57,145 what caused him to cause these cases to be cleared. 339 00:19:57,863 --> 00:19:58,863 But... 340 00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:02,656 he didn't have a chance to because he passed away years... years ago. 341 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:12,088 I got all my information from Sheriff Boutwell. 342 00:20:13,629 --> 00:20:17,089 Of course, he's not here to prove it now. You know, he's gone, so... 343 00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:20,841 That sheriff, he went crazy. 344 00:20:21,595 --> 00:20:24,845 You know, he wanted everything he could get, so I gave it to him. 345 00:20:25,557 --> 00:20:28,597 So you think the sheriff and the Rangers are the ones who... 346 00:20:28,685 --> 00:20:30,747 - Are they to blame? - I don't know that the Rangers... 347 00:20:30,771 --> 00:20:32,941 I don't know whether the Rangers are to blame, 348 00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:34,423 or whether the sheriff is to blame, 349 00:20:34,483 --> 00:20:36,533 or whether I'm to blame, you know? I don't know. 350 00:20:38,445 --> 00:20:41,085 What do you think's gonna happen in the next couple of weeks? 351 00:20:41,281 --> 00:20:43,911 I either get to stay, or I die. One or the other. 352 00:20:43,992 --> 00:20:46,202 - You know, that's the way it is. - Okay. 353 00:20:54,294 --> 00:20:55,294 In the '90s, 354 00:20:55,963 --> 00:20:57,973 after I won the verdict against Channel 8, 355 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:00,757 I became Henry's defense lawyer. 356 00:21:01,843 --> 00:21:05,853 In spite of there being no physical evidence, 357 00:21:05,931 --> 00:21:09,481 no witnesses, nothing to tie Henry to these crimes, 358 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,649 except what came out of his own mouth, 359 00:21:12,187 --> 00:21:16,437 which was fed to him, that he just regurgitated back out, 360 00:21:17,901 --> 00:21:21,361 Henry will probably be put to death for something he didn't do. 361 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:28,409 Every case that I could prove he was innocent 362 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,502 cast more doubt on Orange Socks, 363 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:35,293 and maybe slow down that ticking clock toward his execution. 364 00:21:39,589 --> 00:21:40,839 Henry killed his mother. 365 00:21:40,924 --> 00:21:42,184 That's undisputed. 366 00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:46,014 I had my doubts about the Becky Powell murder. 367 00:21:46,346 --> 00:21:48,386 I still didn't think he had committed it. 368 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:52,563 Becky had been Henry's traveling companion, 369 00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:54,234 one of his first victims, 370 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,820 but Henry kept telling me Becky was alive. 371 00:21:59,943 --> 00:22:02,363 He said they had stopped at a truck stop 372 00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:03,446 and when he came out, 373 00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:07,080 he saw Becky climbing up into an 18-wheeler. 374 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:09,945 She left with a truck driver, 375 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:12,576 and she never came back. 376 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:18,916 Henry had gotten some letters from somebody claiming to be Becky. 377 00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:22,297 They were coming from Missouri. 378 00:22:22,382 --> 00:22:24,762 So the detective that I hired, 379 00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:26,263 he and I went to Missouri. 380 00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:31,224 We followed her in her station wagon. 381 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:34,637 We staked out the house where we thought she lived. 382 00:22:37,272 --> 00:22:38,862 Okay, it's recording now. 383 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:41,491 I'm gonna ask you, please, 384 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:46,028 what was your name in 1979? 385 00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:49,164 Rita Lorraine Powell. 386 00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:52,122 Okay. Was that Becky Powell? 387 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:53,661 That's Becky Powell. 388 00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:55,497 How'd you get the name "Becky"? 389 00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,627 It's just a nickname. Everybody started calling me Becky. 390 00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:01,712 All right. 391 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:04,470 Did you know Henry Lucas? 392 00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:06,086 Yes, I did. 393 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,135 How did you meet Henry Lucas? 394 00:23:08,428 --> 00:23:10,098 Ottis brought him home. 395 00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:11,772 And who is Ottis? 396 00:23:11,848 --> 00:23:13,598 Ottis is my uncle. 397 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:17,938 Where is the first place, Becky, that you remember living? 398 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,777 I remember living on 1st Street 399 00:23:22,442 --> 00:23:23,862 in Jacksonville. 400 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:25,194 Okay. 401 00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:29,122 She could describe the house that Becky grew up in. 402 00:23:29,449 --> 00:23:33,909 Uh, she described the last time that she ever saw Henry. 403 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:36,785 I ran off with a trucker. 404 00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:38,124 Okay. 405 00:23:38,708 --> 00:23:39,958 Left Henry. 406 00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:44,208 And then this lady introduced us to her husband. 407 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:46,376 Tell us, uh, briefly, 408 00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:48,336 uh, how you met your wife. 409 00:23:49,469 --> 00:23:52,139 Well, I was coming from Wichita Falls, 410 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,271 going to Fort Worth, Texas, 411 00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:57,599 and I stopped at a truck stop in Bowie, Texas. 412 00:23:57,727 --> 00:24:00,977 All right. You say you were coming, but were you driving a vehicle? 413 00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:02,064 Yeah, my truck. 414 00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,227 And, uh, what kind of truck? 415 00:24:04,317 --> 00:24:06,947 Peterbilt, red, silver. 416 00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:08,737 So I... 417 00:24:09,364 --> 00:24:13,954 stopped at this truck stop and I saw this young girl out in front. 418 00:24:15,036 --> 00:24:16,536 And, uh, she seemed... 419 00:24:17,247 --> 00:24:18,247 uh... 420 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:20,076 troubled. 421 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:21,917 Uh, scared. 422 00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:27,505 Is this kind of what she looked like when you picked her up at the truck stop? 423 00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:28,591 Yes, sir. 424 00:24:30,427 --> 00:24:31,887 Maybe a little bit older? 425 00:24:39,394 --> 00:24:40,904 I thought, "This is it. 426 00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:42,976 This is the smoking gun." 427 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:47,276 I flew her to Austin. 428 00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:51,532 I hired a polygraph operator, a good one. 429 00:24:52,616 --> 00:24:54,486 Becky, why did you leave Henry? 430 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,584 Because I was tired of being broke and hungry. 431 00:25:00,123 --> 00:25:02,253 Did he ever exhibit to you any behavior 432 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,634 that would make you think he was a mass killer? 433 00:25:04,711 --> 00:25:05,711 No. 434 00:25:06,588 --> 00:25:08,508 And he came out smiling. 435 00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:11,130 He said, "Vic, you have found Becky." 436 00:25:12,552 --> 00:25:13,852 I felt so good. 437 00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:17,559 As soon as we got the polygraph report, I went public with it. 438 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:21,231 I wanted to get it out there because Henry was facing the death penalty, see? 439 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:25,230 Henry Lee Lucas told investigators he murdered Becky Powell here. 440 00:25:25,649 --> 00:25:26,779 Everyone believed him. 441 00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:28,315 Until now. 442 00:25:28,401 --> 00:25:31,531 We were there, but he did not cut me up... 443 00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:35,702 and throw me... throw my body parts everywhere. 444 00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:37,794 Meet Becky Powell. 445 00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:46,456 I was shocked to find out I was dead. 446 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:48,631 She also claims she was with Lucas 447 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:52,803 the night the unidentified woman only known as "Orange Socks" was murdered. 448 00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:55,934 Enough, attorneys believe, to overturn Lucas' death sentence. 449 00:25:56,471 --> 00:25:59,221 He was trick-or-treating with me and my brother Frank 450 00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:00,887 in Jacksonville, Florida, 451 00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:03,596 at the time that Orange Socks was killed. 452 00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:07,935 Give me odds that this is Becky Powell. 453 00:26:08,024 --> 00:26:09,234 Oh, a hundred percent. 454 00:26:09,317 --> 00:26:11,857 And when the, uh, DNA comes in, 455 00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:14,493 then that'll confirm it's a hundred percent. 456 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:15,873 I'm very confident, 457 00:26:16,157 --> 00:26:19,197 but it's easy to be confident when you're holding a royal flush. 458 00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:20,834 This is Becky. 459 00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:23,254 Investigative reporter Hugh Aynesworth 460 00:26:23,331 --> 00:26:25,251 is an authority on the Lucas case. 461 00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:28,000 He, too, says the woman is Becky Powell. 462 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:30,876 She knows specifics about family, 463 00:26:31,131 --> 00:26:32,631 about housing units, 464 00:26:32,716 --> 00:26:34,506 about streets, about neighbors, 465 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:37,353 about happenings, dates, things of that sort. 466 00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:40,524 I spent a good bit of time with her and I'm convinced. 467 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:45,395 Then I might add, why would you want to be Becky Powell? 468 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:55,280 I got a call from Vic Feazell saying that, uh... 469 00:26:55,905 --> 00:26:57,155 he had found Becky. 470 00:26:57,782 --> 00:27:00,582 He wanted DNA run 471 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,870 to prove that Becky was still alive. 472 00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,455 And, of course, 473 00:27:05,206 --> 00:27:08,536 you know, I'm sitting there and I'm-I'm-I'm knowing in my own mind 474 00:27:08,918 --> 00:27:11,248 that Henry confessed to killing her, 475 00:27:11,755 --> 00:27:13,335 confessed to how he killed her, 476 00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:16,637 pointed to the ground where we'd dig up part of her. 477 00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:18,684 You know, that's just... 478 00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:20,682 You don't write that many coincidences off. 479 00:27:21,264 --> 00:27:24,064 So we need to put this fire out as fast as possible. 480 00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:27,231 So I told him, I said, "Well, let's put her under oath and... 481 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,942 uh, make sure that she's telling the truth." 482 00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:33,647 When he said that, it kind of ran up a red flag. 483 00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:36,027 Like, "Hmm, under oath." 484 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:38,912 That means he might be wanting to get her for perjury. 485 00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:40,831 So, uh... 486 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,369 I had a real come-to-Jesus meeting with her. 487 00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:46,828 We sat and talked. 488 00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:50,285 In the meantime, I asked my wife to go and look through her luggage. 489 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,764 And my wife called me into the house about an hour later. 490 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,179 She said, "Oh, my God, I found a stack of letters like this 491 00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,219 between her and Henry Lucas." 492 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,219 And Henry was describing for her 493 00:28:03,306 --> 00:28:04,846 what the house looked like, 494 00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:08,063 what Becky's house looked like, what, uh... 495 00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:11,774 you know, how they met, all the trips, all that kind of stuff. 496 00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:13,816 I mean, I just... I dropped. 497 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,489 I dropped. 498 00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:18,698 I th... I think I felt worse that day than the day I got arrested. 499 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:22,275 Well, I'm a liar and a fraud. 500 00:28:22,951 --> 00:28:27,291 I asked Henry, I said, "Well, what if I said I was Becky Powell?" 501 00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:31,213 At first, he said it would never work, 502 00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:32,842 and I said, "Why not?" 503 00:28:33,628 --> 00:28:36,968 And, um, he said, "Well, were you ever fingerprinted?" 504 00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:38,088 And I said, "No." 505 00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:43,221 I am in love with Henry. 506 00:28:43,596 --> 00:28:45,716 I'd do anything in the world for Henry. 507 00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:48,354 That's all I wanted to do, 508 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,765 was to get Henry out of prison. 509 00:28:56,109 --> 00:29:00,029 I guess I got my mind to feeling like I was... 510 00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:04,162 her, because I wanted to pull this off so bad. 511 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:07,286 One of the reasons why I wanted to write to him 512 00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:10,290 is because of his track record, 513 00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:12,463 because he killed so many people. 514 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:16,002 How did you come to meet the woman who said that she was Becky Powell? 515 00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:19,087 Well, she comes down, and when I first saw her, I said, 516 00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:21,094 "What... What you... What you want?" You know? 517 00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:22,586 I said, "Are you Frieda?" 518 00:29:22,677 --> 00:29:23,677 She said, "Yeah." 519 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,810 - Did you believe she was? - Yeah. 520 00:29:29,476 --> 00:29:30,476 Do you still? 521 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:35,149 It was just my first visit with him, and he just... 522 00:29:35,231 --> 00:29:37,861 I just fell in love with him, and... 523 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:43,658 he was the nicest, kindest man I ever met, really. 524 00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:49,872 Henry was feeding me all this information through his letters, 525 00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:54,666 but in various parts of the letters so they wouldn't catch on. 526 00:29:55,418 --> 00:29:58,798 Do you believe that Becky is out there? 527 00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:01,632 No. I believe she's dead. 528 00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:05,927 I think Henry killed her. 529 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:09,930 Your attorney is very fearful that you were part of this lie. 530 00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:11,016 Well, I'm not. 531 00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:14,191 She claims that she also visited John Wayne Gacy 532 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:15,400 and also Charles Manson. 533 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,820 I can't say that, because I don't know. 534 00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:19,978 Charles Manson... 535 00:30:20,443 --> 00:30:21,613 I told him, I said, 536 00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:24,364 "I think it's about time you get out of prison." 537 00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,117 He said, "I don't wanna get out of prison." 538 00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:29,905 He said, "You people are crazy." 539 00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:39,957 I'd been fighting this battle, 540 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,340 and I wanted it so bad, I believed it. 541 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:48,643 I felt it would give me back my reputation, 542 00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:50,768 and all it did was hurt it. 543 00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:57,063 I was angry at Phyllis. 544 00:30:57,146 --> 00:30:58,606 I was angry at Henry. 545 00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,277 I was angry at myself. 546 00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:04,897 And that's when I quit representing Henry. 547 00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:08,447 He wrote me some pretty sad letters after that, 548 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,663 but, by then, I had just had enough. 549 00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:15,084 This scam blowing up in your face, do you think this has hurt your chances... 550 00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:18,384 I don't know whether it's a scam or not. You people are telling me that. 551 00:31:18,918 --> 00:31:21,918 Are you mad because it means you're that much closer to execution? 552 00:31:22,005 --> 00:31:23,125 No, it does not. 553 00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:25,514 I don't give a damn if I was executed tomorrow, 554 00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:26,892 you understand that? 555 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,350 Then why are you so upset? 556 00:31:29,429 --> 00:31:32,469 Why? Because of all the damn lies that's going on. 557 00:31:32,807 --> 00:31:33,807 That's why. 558 00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:47,911 Henry was accustomed to undergoing psychological tests. 559 00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:51,448 He was incarcerated as a teenager. 560 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:56,035 There were psychological reports from then until the end of his life. 561 00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:05,837 Among them was a test for confabulation. 562 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:11,140 Confabulation is a type of memory impairment. 563 00:32:11,554 --> 00:32:15,984 In other words, a person has gaps in the memory, 564 00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:21,856 and those gaps are automatically filled in with invented information. 565 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:26,439 In this test, he was off the scale. 566 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:30,619 Henry would take facts, 567 00:32:30,698 --> 00:32:33,198 and then he would add fantasy, 568 00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:37,659 and then he would add what he thought the person he was addressing 569 00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:39,327 needed or wanted, 570 00:32:39,415 --> 00:32:41,705 and that would create a new truth. 571 00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:46,211 And that truth would shift from moment to moment. 572 00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:48,837 How many people, really, did you kill? 573 00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:50,222 It'll be... 574 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:53,351 When it's finished, I look for it to be over 360. 575 00:32:53,429 --> 00:32:55,559 It'll be way over 500. 576 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,100 My mother, back in 1960. 577 00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,690 That is the only murder I've ever committed. 578 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:04,480 And I'm not positive I even committed that. 579 00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:06,029 Are you a, uh... 580 00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,196 - pathological liar, you think? - Yeah. 581 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:12,466 - I am. - Are you telling me the truth now? 582 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:15,620 Yes, I'm telling you the truth, because I can prove it, you know? 583 00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:18,332 - Why should I believe that? - I don't expect you to. 584 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:20,373 I expect you to find out the truth. 585 00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:23,792 - You know... - He never thought long-term. 586 00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:27,165 I think that was part of his mental illness, actually. 587 00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:31,382 He was very focused on surviving moment to moment, 588 00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:34,136 and whatever was needed, he was gonna give it, 589 00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:37,354 without thinking about any kind of consequences 590 00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:39,772 for anyone, himself or anyone else. 591 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:43,483 Henry Lucas did not know what the truth was. 592 00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:06,919 Texas Governor George W. Bush 593 00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:10,213 is pondering the fate of multiple murderer Henry Lee Lucas, 594 00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:12,218 scheduled for execution next Tuesday. 595 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,220 There are some questions as to whether not Henry Lee Lucas, 596 00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:18,893 uh, committed the particular crime that he was accused of. 597 00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:21,273 There's no question he committed some of the other crimes. 598 00:34:23,102 --> 00:34:26,482 I was interviewing Governor Bush at the time, 599 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,480 and I said, "George, by the way... 600 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:32,899 you're... you're gonna put a guy to death Saturday 601 00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:35,318 that is innocent." 602 00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:39,077 I had occasion to run into Governor Bush at a function. 603 00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:43,624 I said, "There is now a death sentence on your desk. 604 00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:46,041 It involves a client of mine, 605 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,592 that I firmly believe in that client's innocence. 606 00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:50,710 It's Henry Lee Lucas." 607 00:34:55,301 --> 00:34:57,431 I heard on TV that... 608 00:34:57,887 --> 00:35:01,267 it's looking like this... this could possibly happen. 609 00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:02,889 He could get off of death row. 610 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,350 He confessed to killing my mother. 611 00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:11,689 I have read things in his confession 612 00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,608 that sounded like my mother, the way he described my mother. 613 00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:18,993 I was convinced. 614 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,037 In my heart, I feel that Henry Lee Lucas did kill my sister. 615 00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:26,365 Lucas was convicted of her death. 616 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:29,418 I believe that he was an animal, 617 00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:32,379 obtaining his 15 minutes of fame, 618 00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:34,093 glorifying himself. 619 00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:37,764 I had to see this man executed. 620 00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:41,261 Well, of course we wanted Lucas to die! 621 00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:44,305 Yes, we wanted him dead. 622 00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:47,437 Henry Lee Lucas murdered my sister, Laura Jean Donez. 623 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,770 Henry Lee Lucas murdered my mother, Joan Gilmore. 624 00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:53,437 Henry Lee Lucas killed my sister, Rita Salazar. 625 00:35:54,694 --> 00:35:56,244 I organized the group 626 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,370 so we could fight against people who were saying Lucas was innocent. 627 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:03,044 Whether he... 628 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,119 killed that woman or not, what about these other... 629 00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:08,615 What about my mother? What about all our other family? 630 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:10,498 You know, what about all these other victims? 631 00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,550 He can't get off death row. He can't. 632 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,849 The first question I ask in every case 633 00:36:20,928 --> 00:36:22,888 is whether or not there is any doubt, 634 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:24,848 any doubt, 635 00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:27,307 about an individual's guilt or innocence. 636 00:36:28,477 --> 00:36:30,187 This is the first case I... 637 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:32,791 since I have been the governor where the answer to that question 638 00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:35,027 is yes, there's doubt. 639 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:39,989 Henry Lee Lucas is unquestionably guilty 640 00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:41,822 of other despicable crimes 641 00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:45,488 for which he has been sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. 642 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,204 However, 643 00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:49,672 I believe that there is enough doubt 644 00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,343 about this particular crime 645 00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:56,339 that the state of Texas should not impose its ultimate penalty 646 00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,171 by executing him. 647 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:00,553 Okay, you take care, Henry. 648 00:37:00,635 --> 00:37:02,465 Lucas's attorney Rita Radostitz 649 00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:04,473 was the first to notify Lucas. 650 00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:05,885 He didn't have anything to say. 651 00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:08,563 - He was very emotional. Um... - Was he crying? 652 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:12,023 He said he wasn't, but as I said, you can never believe anything Henry says. 653 00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:23,866 I think there are people who will see this tonight who will say, um, 654 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:26,950 they're not sure whether you're crying for those families or for yourself. 655 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:32,537 Well, God knows. 656 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:36,843 I wasn't happy. 657 00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:39,838 I was livid. 658 00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:43,676 Rosanna Fuentes was going to see Lucas executed. 659 00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:48,016 He was convicted of murdering her younger sister back in 1983. 660 00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:49,639 I voted for him. 661 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:51,981 I won't do it again. 662 00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:55,101 These victims' relatives say they want to meet with the governor. 663 00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:57,017 They want to see cases reopened 664 00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,108 in which Lucas was never tried 665 00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:02,113 in hopes of getting another death sentence. 666 00:38:02,196 --> 00:38:05,656 Mr. Bush, what if it was your loved one, 667 00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:06,950 your mother, 668 00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:10,293 your daughter that got killed? 669 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:13,870 I started faxing 670 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,627 newspapers all over the US 671 00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:19,961 that Governor Bush was siding with a serial killer. 672 00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:26,304 Governor Bush was running for president, 673 00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:29,812 and he didn't want the bad publicity. 674 00:38:31,517 --> 00:38:34,017 His attorneys called me and said, 675 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,112 "What do you want?" 676 00:38:37,773 --> 00:38:41,903 I asked the governor to test for DNA. 677 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:45,610 There was DNA on her underclothes, 678 00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:47,198 from the rape. 679 00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:53,405 We wanted to prove that he was guilty. 680 00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:57,035 We wanted him to stay on death row. 681 00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:00,002 We wanted him executed. 682 00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:11,432 All right. 683 00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:29,123 I remember getting the call that Henry was dead. 684 00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:34,116 I was actually invited to his funeral. 685 00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:38,248 But I wasn't gonna get up on a cold day and drive down there 686 00:39:38,334 --> 00:39:41,424 and watch somebody who'd lied to me like he did, 687 00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:43,672 uh, get buried. 688 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,298 He died of natural causes. 689 00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,181 So, what he... 690 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,890 died knowing, died with him. 691 00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:18,541 There were only a few people at Henry's funeral. 692 00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:21,745 The preacher and Clemmie. 693 00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:32,348 I read a letter that Henry wanted me to read, 694 00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:36,773 asking the people to forgive him for lying. 695 00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:41,725 Then we sang "Amazing Grace." 696 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:49,492 Pretty soon, it was like millions of singers overhead, 697 00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:51,912 millions of angels singing. 698 00:40:52,908 --> 00:40:57,288 The most beautiful voices I have ever heard in my life. 699 00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:16,138 How many people did Lucas kill? 700 00:41:16,223 --> 00:41:17,933 At least three, maybe more. 701 00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:19,977 What about the hundreds of confessions? 702 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,980 If Lucas didn't kill all of those people, who did? 703 00:41:23,063 --> 00:41:25,573 The truth about Lucas may never be known. 704 00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:37,196 I was a detective 705 00:41:37,286 --> 00:41:39,406 for the Williamson County Sheriff's Office. 706 00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:51,341 DNA was just becoming a popular investigative technique. 707 00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:00,306 I was asked to investigate three different cases, 708 00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:03,347 all three of which Sheriff Boutwell closed 709 00:42:03,437 --> 00:42:05,937 with Henry Lee Lucas' confessions. 710 00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:09,862 Well, he's, uh... 711 00:42:10,819 --> 00:42:14,109 directed us to the, uh, scene of another murder. 712 00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:17,427 We went on up the road, uh... 713 00:42:17,451 --> 00:42:20,081 About 55 miles from here, 714 00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,406 is where we shot the girl at. 715 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,923 He knew exactly, within one mile, 716 00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:27,341 how far the... 717 00:42:28,128 --> 00:42:29,918 Rita's body was dumped. 718 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,125 There's no way he would have known any of that... 719 00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:37,472 if he was not told by somebody, 720 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,520 because, as we know now, he had nothing to do with the murder. 721 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:50,646 The point that the sheriff stopped being a hero for... for me... 722 00:42:51,986 --> 00:42:54,316 is when we found out that, um... 723 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,119 the two strands of DNA didn't match Henry Lucas. 724 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,330 Then I knew, at that point, that everything was a lie. 725 00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:07,544 As far as I'm concerned, he has confirmed both cases. 726 00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:08,456 Thank you. 727 00:43:08,544 --> 00:43:09,544 Thank you. 728 00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:14,965 Sheriff Boutwell was feeding Henry Lee Lucas the information, 729 00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:20,350 and closed cases, and lied to people about who killed their loved ones. 730 00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:26,691 We were lied to for 20 years. 731 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,860 We believed Henry did it for 20 years. 732 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,610 And then we found out who the real killer was.