1 00:00:01,159 --> 00:00:03,213 Ian Gibbons was found in his bathroom. 2 00:00:03,244 --> 00:00:04,305 FORMERLY IN THE DROPOUT 3 00:00:04,329 --> 00:00:05,389 Ian? 4 00:00:05,413 --> 00:00:06,973 He died in hospital today. 5 00:00:07,248 --> 00:00:10,894 Now Ian can't testify, and Richard has to settle. 6 00:00:11,294 --> 00:00:12,437 We won. 7 00:00:12,504 --> 00:00:14,647 My grandson, Tyler. 8 00:00:14,714 --> 00:00:17,901 He will graduate from Stanford in a few months. 9 00:00:18,009 --> 00:00:21,072 and he would very much like the chance to work with you. 10 00:00:21,096 --> 00:00:22,280 Of course. Yes. 11 00:00:22,555 --> 00:00:26,034 We build these wellness centers in our stores. No more postponements. 12 00:00:26,601 --> 00:00:27,745 We are ready for September. 13 00:00:27,769 --> 00:00:29,914 We are launching in several phases. In the first phase we use 14 00:00:29,938 --> 00:00:31,498 Siemens' device for the tests. 15 00:00:31,523 --> 00:00:34,502 Walgreens doesn't need to know exactly what we run the tests on. 16 00:00:34,526 --> 00:00:38,004 We're launching at Walgreens in 48 hours. We did it! 17 00:00:38,279 --> 00:00:40,548 I'm Mark, the new director of the laboratory. 18 00:00:41,074 --> 00:00:43,760 There is only one thing, You must know about Elizabeth Holmes. 19 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:46,894 She's a scam, Richard. She has always been a fraud. 20 00:00:49,666 --> 00:00:51,559 Let me give you a little on the lips. 21 00:00:51,710 --> 00:00:52,728 - Of course. - Morgan. 22 00:00:52,752 --> 00:00:53,771 One is enough. 23 00:00:53,795 --> 00:00:55,480 Yes, it looks fine. 24 00:00:59,050 --> 00:01:02,029 Hi, Elizabeth. I haven't met you before. I'm Errol Morris. 25 00:01:02,053 --> 00:01:05,740 It is a great honor to work with you on these commercials. 26 00:01:06,391 --> 00:01:09,786 I'm a big fan of it, you do 27 00:01:10,270 --> 00:01:12,997 sorry, but you must look in that direction. 28 00:01:14,858 --> 00:01:17,752 I thought that it would be interesting to ask you: 29 00:01:17,986 --> 00:01:20,877 “What dream do you want have to come true by 2025?" 30 00:01:22,032 --> 00:01:26,886 That fewer people have to say goodbye too soon 31 00:01:26,953 --> 00:01:28,388 to those they love. 32 00:01:29,748 --> 00:01:31,891 And you can tell us a secret? 33 00:01:38,173 --> 00:01:40,400 I don't have many secrets... 34 00:01:48,266 --> 00:01:50,910 OCTOBER 2013 35 00:01:54,189 --> 00:01:56,958 Customer no. 27 for the wellness center. 36 00:01:58,151 --> 00:01:59,794 Was it just that? Is it that easy? 37 00:02:00,570 --> 00:02:02,066 And the results will be ready soon. 38 00:02:24,511 --> 00:02:27,614 THE IRON SISTERS 39 00:02:35,605 --> 00:02:37,333 Wall Street Journal. Can I help? 40 00:02:40,235 --> 00:02:41,711 It's John Carreyrou. 41 00:02:42,695 --> 00:02:44,172 Hello? Hello? 42 00:02:44,447 --> 00:02:46,132 Hello? What can I help with? 43 00:02:46,366 --> 00:02:50,470 You are speaking Dr. Richard Fuisz. I have a story for you. 44 00:02:52,205 --> 00:02:56,017 Wait, I can't find my glasses. Where did I put them? 45 00:02:56,209 --> 00:02:57,352 Wait. 46 00:02:57,544 --> 00:02:59,272 How did you find this number? 47 00:03:01,131 --> 00:03:06,236 From Adam Clapper. He writes The Pathology Blawg. 48 00:03:06,511 --> 00:03:10,198 BLAWG, B-L-A-W-G. i don't know why he spells it that way. 49 00:03:10,515 --> 00:03:13,160 But he has written a post about a start-up company, 50 00:03:13,184 --> 00:03:16,539 and said I should call you because you have written about cheating with the health insurance. 51 00:03:16,563 --> 00:03:17,669 Okay. 52 00:03:17,939 --> 00:03:20,166 What do you know about Theranos? 53 00:03:21,526 --> 00:03:24,839 New health company with products at Walgreens, impressive board. 54 00:03:24,863 --> 00:03:27,799 A unicorn, that are worth billions. Why? 55 00:03:28,283 --> 00:03:30,260 It's all a scam. 56 00:03:32,787 --> 00:03:34,639 Good, what makes you say that? 57 00:03:36,708 --> 00:03:38,810 I'll take this one. My mother gave it to us. 58 00:03:40,003 --> 00:03:43,606 Lorraine. It's the journalist from the Wall Street Journal. 59 00:03:45,967 --> 00:03:47,235 Lorraine. 60 00:03:48,887 --> 00:03:50,321 Wait! 61 00:03:55,018 --> 00:03:56,661 - Hello? - Hello. 62 00:03:56,686 --> 00:03:58,788 Do you have proof of that? you claim? 63 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:09,716 It was the first confidentiality agreement, and then there is one more, 64 00:04:09,782 --> 00:04:11,759 and then we're done. 65 00:04:12,493 --> 00:04:13,599 I... 66 00:04:14,913 --> 00:04:17,758 I said to my father, that I should start working here. 67 00:04:17,957 --> 00:04:19,643 Yes, he... He's just really excited, 68 00:04:19,667 --> 00:04:21,645 because it's my first job. I tell him 69 00:04:21,669 --> 00:04:23,354 that he must not tell anyone. 70 00:04:23,588 --> 00:04:26,665 Yeah, I wouldn't tell anyone that you have spoken to him about it. 71 00:04:27,675 --> 00:04:29,944 Yes, sure. No, of course not. 72 00:04:32,222 --> 00:04:34,408 sorry what is it should I write initials on? 73 00:04:34,432 --> 00:04:38,578 These are the words you mustn't use, when you talk about Theranos. 74 00:04:38,895 --> 00:04:41,497 "Research, Biology, Pipette." 75 00:04:42,315 --> 00:04:43,950 This is our state-of-the-art foyer. 76 00:04:45,401 --> 00:04:47,337 You best! Is it her? 77 00:04:47,946 --> 00:04:50,840 Yes. It seems, that she is about to give another interview. 78 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:55,178 Elizabeth. This is Erika Chung. It's her first day. 79 00:04:55,245 --> 00:04:57,805 Hello. Welcome to Theranos. 80 00:04:57,956 --> 00:05:02,727 It is a great honor to meet you. It's just so rare 81 00:05:02,752 --> 00:05:06,189 that you get the chance to work for a female director. So... 82 00:05:06,214 --> 00:05:07,320 Thank you. 83 00:05:08,216 --> 00:05:10,735 I need that space. 84 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,320 - Yes, sure. - Of course. 85 00:05:16,015 --> 00:05:17,241 - Okay then. - Yes. 86 00:05:17,433 --> 00:05:19,786 - How... Does it work? - Yes, that's fine. 87 00:05:20,603 --> 00:05:22,580 Do you want me to look up the wall? 88 00:05:22,772 --> 00:05:23,878 Sure. 89 00:05:33,658 --> 00:05:36,677 You're not coming to test patients' blood samples 90 00:05:36,703 --> 00:05:39,931 from Walgreens yet. Maybe we'll move you up, but for now 91 00:05:39,956 --> 00:05:42,100 everyone works on approval of trials, 92 00:05:42,208 --> 00:05:46,312 so we can get more tests approved to be run on Edison. 93 00:05:46,921 --> 00:05:49,649 I thought all the tests was already being run on Edison. 94 00:05:49,799 --> 00:05:53,236 - Because on the website... - Yes, it is... No, it is... 95 00:05:54,345 --> 00:05:58,366 I was very impressed by the way about your application. 96 00:05:58,391 --> 00:05:59,742 I don't know if I... 97 00:05:59,892 --> 00:06:01,704 It's great to have you on the team. 98 00:06:01,728 --> 00:06:04,247 Thanks! I am also really happy to… 99 00:06:04,314 --> 00:06:05,915 Then find the confidentiality agreement! 100 00:06:06,607 --> 00:06:08,459 - ...to be here. - Follow me. 101 00:06:10,445 --> 00:06:12,840 You know what? It's a very stressful environment. 102 00:06:12,864 --> 00:06:17,385 But we are also very into parties. 103 00:06:17,493 --> 00:06:22,849 There are many prizes. I actually got once a gift card to Jamba Juice. 104 00:06:23,166 --> 00:06:24,517 Okay, so… 105 00:06:26,169 --> 00:06:29,523 ...this is where you live. If you have questions, come to me. Good luck. 106 00:06:29,547 --> 00:06:30,898 Thanks. I... 107 00:06:34,177 --> 00:06:35,283 Here. 108 00:06:36,512 --> 00:06:37,489 What? 109 00:06:37,513 --> 00:06:39,574 Put it on the camera on your computer. 110 00:06:40,641 --> 00:06:41,747 Why? 111 00:06:42,602 --> 00:06:44,078 So they can't see you. 112 00:06:47,690 --> 00:06:49,542 THERANOS THE VIEW FROM THE TOP 113 00:06:49,859 --> 00:06:51,836 Many successful women 114 00:06:51,944 --> 00:06:54,256 experiencing something that is called the impostor syndrome. 115 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:55,215 Just. 116 00:06:55,239 --> 00:06:58,050 They feel that their success not at all well deserved, 117 00:06:58,201 --> 00:07:01,971 that it's all a fraud, and that sooner or later they will be discovered. 118 00:07:03,122 --> 00:07:05,057 Have you ever experienced it? 119 00:07:06,709 --> 00:07:10,271 Yes. Sure. There are always moments of doubt. 120 00:07:10,838 --> 00:07:15,151 But as women we are have to start believing in ourselves, 121 00:07:15,259 --> 00:07:16,615 and we must do so immediately. 122 00:07:17,804 --> 00:07:19,572 You have some fans in the audience. 123 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:33,252 How does it feel to be back at Stanford after you dropped out? 124 00:07:36,489 --> 00:07:37,715 Pretty cool. 125 00:07:40,201 --> 00:07:41,307 Yes. 126 00:07:41,577 --> 00:07:45,890 You actually got the idea at Stanford and presented it to some professors. 127 00:07:46,624 --> 00:07:48,809 And not everyone thought that it was a good idea. 128 00:07:49,293 --> 00:07:51,300 Including actually a female professor. 129 00:07:53,214 --> 00:07:56,360 You would think that women wanted to help other women 130 00:07:56,384 --> 00:07:57,527 in the research sector. 131 00:07:57,552 --> 00:08:01,030 Yes, you would think so. But it is difficult for some women 132 00:08:01,097 --> 00:08:04,158 to get used to their old way of thinking. 133 00:08:05,017 --> 00:08:07,162 "It was difficult for me, so the same for you.” 134 00:08:07,186 --> 00:08:09,580 You must ensure that that if you ask people, 135 00:08:09,605 --> 00:08:13,834 and if you have a good idea, then you don't listen to just one person, 136 00:08:14,026 --> 00:08:15,801 - who say it's impossible. - Yes! 137 00:08:22,285 --> 00:08:24,470 Damn it! 138 00:08:25,455 --> 00:08:29,141 Do you know how many times I've been told, "It's impossible"? 139 00:08:30,001 --> 00:08:33,145 The sexism I have experienced has been so obvious and ugly, 140 00:08:33,212 --> 00:08:37,441 that I was completely speechless. But she thinks I did not support her idea, 141 00:08:37,508 --> 00:08:39,862 because she has had it easier than me. because i am... 142 00:08:39,886 --> 00:08:41,475 Should I be jealous of her? 143 00:08:42,847 --> 00:08:43,949 Are you? 144 00:08:43,973 --> 00:08:48,953 No, damn it! I am angry. I have supported women throughout my career. 145 00:08:48,978 --> 00:08:51,623 And how many chances get women for doing what she does? 146 00:08:51,647 --> 00:08:57,545 Being the CEO of a big startup. If she fails, it will cost us all. 147 00:08:57,737 --> 00:09:01,090 That's the ugly truth and that is unforgivable. 148 00:09:01,991 --> 00:09:05,052 But it must be hard to be a woman. 149 00:09:09,832 --> 00:09:12,685 I don't understand that you are the one I'm talking about this with. 150 00:09:12,793 --> 00:09:15,266 - What? What have I said? - We are not friends at all. 151 00:09:15,296 --> 00:09:17,566 We know each other from conferences and stuff like that... 152 00:09:17,590 --> 00:09:18,692 We could be friends. 153 00:09:18,716 --> 00:09:19,859 I love that. 154 00:09:21,469 --> 00:09:24,572 Armed security guards, it is the new status symbol. 155 00:09:26,307 --> 00:09:27,658 We have to stop her. 156 00:09:28,309 --> 00:09:32,164 What did the journalist say to him from the Wall Street Journal? 157 00:09:32,188 --> 00:09:35,124 He said, that we just need a better source. 158 00:09:35,149 --> 00:09:36,500 Someone who has worked there. 159 00:09:37,276 --> 00:09:38,586 How do we do it? 160 00:09:39,362 --> 00:09:41,632 - Have you just finished? - Yes, at Berkeley. 161 00:09:41,656 --> 00:09:45,093 Me too. So at Stanford. Just right, I almost dumped 162 00:09:45,117 --> 00:09:47,887 because I went on tour with Dispatch 163 00:09:48,746 --> 00:09:51,307 two weeks before the final exam. Do you know Dispatch? 164 00:09:52,208 --> 00:09:53,517 No. 165 00:09:54,377 --> 00:09:55,811 Don't know Dispatch? 166 00:09:58,798 --> 00:10:01,651 You have seen the others 167 00:10:02,969 --> 00:10:05,404 And you have discovered 168 00:10:05,555 --> 00:10:08,574 That this fight is not worth fighting 169 00:10:08,599 --> 00:10:10,910 Don't you know that song? No, no. 170 00:10:11,143 --> 00:10:12,249 What? 171 00:10:12,895 --> 00:10:14,001 What? 172 00:10:14,605 --> 00:10:18,209 Did you also get hired at a job fair? 173 00:10:22,113 --> 00:10:26,009 Damn it. Did I say something stupid? You must excuse that, I didn't want to… 174 00:10:26,033 --> 00:10:27,218 No, no, no. I... 175 00:10:28,202 --> 00:10:31,639 My grandfather is on the board. 176 00:10:31,789 --> 00:10:32,973 This is George Schultz. 177 00:10:33,249 --> 00:10:36,686 He was foreign minister and Minister of Finance. 178 00:10:37,712 --> 00:10:42,191 And he finished The Cold War with Russia. 179 00:10:42,383 --> 00:10:44,360 yes i know what the cold war is. 180 00:10:44,885 --> 00:10:46,779 Yes, it was him there it ended. 181 00:10:49,515 --> 00:10:54,203 So you say, that they didn't hire you at a job fair? 182 00:10:57,732 --> 00:11:00,501 Oh no! What have I done now? I just put... 183 00:11:00,526 --> 00:11:02,420 It's okay. It happens all the time. 184 00:11:03,821 --> 00:11:06,842 Wait, what is that? Is that a brace? 185 00:11:06,866 --> 00:11:08,884 For fishing out broken glass. 186 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:12,680 Okay. These... 187 00:11:13,998 --> 00:11:15,808 These Edison appliances are… 188 00:11:17,168 --> 00:11:21,021 I just thought it would be some of the very latest technology 189 00:11:21,088 --> 00:11:24,026 - because of security. - There is a secret laboratory. 190 00:11:25,718 --> 00:11:27,321 Normandy, they call it. the technology, 191 00:11:27,345 --> 00:11:29,539 which they use is for the landing on the beaches. 192 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,074 This is called Jurassic Park, 193 00:11:31,098 --> 00:11:32,784 because here we have all the old technology. 194 00:11:32,808 --> 00:11:34,994 Wait. Can you show me that? 195 00:11:36,771 --> 00:11:38,247 On the other side of those doors. 196 00:11:38,397 --> 00:11:40,959 Is that where tests from real patients being driven? 197 00:11:40,983 --> 00:11:42,585 From Walgreens. Yes. 198 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:00,102 You told her that we came? 199 00:12:01,045 --> 00:12:04,983 - I didn't want it, she said no. - No, Richard. Then we go. 200 00:12:05,007 --> 00:12:07,359 - No! Hi Rochelle. - Richard. 201 00:12:09,512 --> 00:12:11,865 - It's... - I'm Phyllis Gardner. 202 00:12:11,889 --> 00:12:15,494 I'm a professor at Stanford. Richard thought, 203 00:12:15,518 --> 00:12:17,369 that maybe we could talk to you about it 204 00:12:17,478 --> 00:12:18,954 you know about Theranos. 205 00:12:21,524 --> 00:12:23,585 i think we are the only ones in the world 206 00:12:23,609 --> 00:12:25,244 who thinks that it is a scam. 207 00:12:29,532 --> 00:12:32,343 But if it's a bad time... 208 00:12:42,712 --> 00:12:45,523 I want to burn that company down down to the ground. Come in. 209 00:12:51,929 --> 00:12:54,820 We know you are one of the most successful women in america, 210 00:12:54,849 --> 00:12:58,495 but we don't know you as a person. Speak to me as if you spoke 211 00:12:58,519 --> 00:12:59,703 to your best friend. 212 00:13:03,149 --> 00:13:05,709 Who are you? Describe yourself. 213 00:13:08,487 --> 00:13:09,797 You are turning 30 soon 214 00:13:09,822 --> 00:13:10,841 - Yes. - Has your life become, 215 00:13:10,865 --> 00:13:12,258 as you expected? 216 00:13:14,994 --> 00:13:16,804 - Then... - Let's take a break. 217 00:13:24,044 --> 00:13:29,650 Erika, can you drive them here for the approval of the syphilis tests again? 218 00:13:29,675 --> 00:13:31,193 Was something wrong? 219 00:13:31,218 --> 00:13:36,240 You just have to delete the outer variants. I have marked them for you. Thanks. 220 00:13:41,812 --> 00:13:44,424 - He did it again? - I have to say something. 221 00:13:45,858 --> 00:13:48,460 Wait, is it now? Do we do it now? 222 00:13:49,153 --> 00:13:51,465 Mark, an error has occurred. 223 00:13:51,489 --> 00:13:55,634 Erika, it's not a good moment right now. 224 00:13:55,701 --> 00:13:58,804 I give blood to the lab. 225 00:13:59,830 --> 00:14:01,557 We get $10 per glass. 226 00:14:01,707 --> 00:14:03,268 You ask me to to select certain data, 227 00:14:03,292 --> 00:14:04,853 and of course I can't. 228 00:14:04,877 --> 00:14:05,854 Why? 229 00:14:05,878 --> 00:14:07,689 Because then we don't get a clear picture of, 230 00:14:07,713 --> 00:14:08,940 whether the experiment works or not. 231 00:14:08,964 --> 00:14:11,984 - Those were extreme variants. - Hey, what's going on here? 232 00:14:12,176 --> 00:14:15,029 Yes, but so what an outer variant exactly? 233 00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:17,240 For me it seems like it's data 234 00:14:17,264 --> 00:14:18,825 that doesn't do what you want. I can... 235 00:14:18,849 --> 00:14:20,624 We regard this as an extreme variant. 236 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:25,539 But then there are outliers in all data, we have generated so far. 237 00:14:26,273 --> 00:14:28,667 Just. And we delete the outer variants. 238 00:14:28,984 --> 00:14:31,004 I don't want to make something big out of this. 239 00:14:31,028 --> 00:14:32,477 - I think... - Are you sure? 240 00:14:33,322 --> 00:14:34,428 It sounds like that. 241 00:14:35,533 --> 00:14:38,594 We delete the outer variants. That's how we do it. 242 00:14:41,455 --> 00:14:42,598 Is that okay? 243 00:14:53,384 --> 00:14:54,490 Well. 244 00:14:58,097 --> 00:15:00,574 - I'm getting fired. - You won't be fired. 245 00:15:00,599 --> 00:15:03,245 - That's wrong. Bad science. - I'm talking to her. 246 00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:06,497 Talking to who? Wait. Elizabeth? 247 00:15:12,486 --> 00:15:14,421 - Tyler! - Hey, Tyler. 248 00:15:14,697 --> 00:15:16,924 Help us. We are going to have a birthday party. 249 00:15:17,074 --> 00:15:19,760 - We make a table plan. - I'm turning 30. 250 00:15:19,869 --> 00:15:21,136 - Wow! - Good to see you. 251 00:15:21,328 --> 00:15:22,680 In the same way. 252 00:15:22,830 --> 00:15:25,307 So who do you want to talk to at the party? 253 00:15:25,416 --> 00:15:28,144 Henry Kissinger or one of Elizabeth's friends? 254 00:15:28,168 --> 00:15:30,396 Shall we invite some of your friends? 255 00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:32,189 You are my friends so… 256 00:15:32,756 --> 00:15:33,817 Charlotte, have you... 257 00:15:33,841 --> 00:15:35,988 I guess you haven't more of the hot coffee, right? 258 00:15:37,136 --> 00:15:38,320 I'm doing something. 259 00:15:40,514 --> 00:15:44,159 I didn't see Sunny's name on the list. Do you want to invite him? 260 00:15:45,060 --> 00:15:47,871 If you want. As long as I don't have to talk to him. 261 00:15:48,022 --> 00:15:51,417 George, you are mean. Come and help carry the coffee out. 262 00:15:51,650 --> 00:15:54,588 I know he can be difficult, but i think... 263 00:15:54,612 --> 00:15:56,423 I want him for my birthday. 264 00:15:56,447 --> 00:15:59,466 Of course. You only turn 30 once. 265 00:16:02,286 --> 00:16:05,097 But what do I know about it? I am 29. 266 00:16:06,582 --> 00:16:09,227 I haven't celebrated my birthday in a long time. I don't remember the last time. 267 00:16:09,251 --> 00:16:10,357 - Really? - Yes. 268 00:16:11,253 --> 00:16:12,563 Can we just talk? 269 00:16:12,838 --> 00:16:16,525 Sure. george says that you play the guitar. 270 00:16:16,842 --> 00:16:19,987 Will you play something for me? for my birthday? 271 00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:22,031 Of course. Yes. 272 00:16:24,934 --> 00:16:26,452 Yes, I just wanted to… 273 00:16:27,061 --> 00:16:28,287 I think there might be 274 00:16:28,312 --> 00:16:30,878 some bad management in the lab, you should know about. 275 00:16:31,815 --> 00:16:34,501 Really? What is going on? 276 00:16:34,610 --> 00:16:36,713 We are asked to to select specific data 277 00:16:36,737 --> 00:16:39,132 for approval of the experiments. We report an accuracy 278 00:16:39,156 --> 00:16:42,217 of 95 percent, although the real number is much lower. 279 00:16:42,242 --> 00:16:45,221 Out of 100 people, who is infected with syphilis 280 00:16:45,245 --> 00:16:47,848 and was tested on Edison, would we tell 35, 281 00:16:47,873 --> 00:16:49,183 that they did not have syphilis. 282 00:16:50,584 --> 00:16:51,894 That can't be right. 283 00:16:53,337 --> 00:16:55,231 I know that. That's what I said too. 284 00:16:55,255 --> 00:16:59,818 Thanks for telling me, Tyler. That is very brave of you. 285 00:17:00,344 --> 00:17:01,653 Yes, it was that little. 286 00:17:02,888 --> 00:17:05,115 i think that people just want to please you, 287 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:07,701 and that they don't really think about the consequences. 288 00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:16,460 You said "we" before. Who were you referring to? 289 00:17:17,403 --> 00:17:19,588 My colleague in the laboratory, Erika Chung. 290 00:17:19,905 --> 00:17:21,011 Yes. 291 00:17:24,910 --> 00:17:26,137 Hi, what's going on? 292 00:17:26,161 --> 00:17:27,971 They're moving me to Normandy. 293 00:17:28,372 --> 00:17:30,182 - Okay. What? When? - Now. 294 00:17:30,791 --> 00:17:33,560 It's a promotion. You get to see Normandy. 295 00:17:35,546 --> 00:17:36,814 Are you ready, Erika? 296 00:17:37,631 --> 00:17:39,733 - Can we have lunch together soon? - Yes. 297 00:17:39,758 --> 00:17:42,112 Unfortunately no. You're not on the same team anymore. 298 00:17:42,136 --> 00:17:44,446 You must not reveal what you are working on. 299 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:54,706 It's so Normandy. 300 00:17:56,859 --> 00:18:00,003 You are the youngest, so you have to work on Thanksgiving, 301 00:18:00,070 --> 00:18:04,258 but then you finally get a chance to run real tests from patients. 302 00:18:05,826 --> 00:18:08,470 Should I work? on the new technology? 303 00:18:09,038 --> 00:18:11,140 What new technology? 304 00:18:12,291 --> 00:18:13,767 who said that there was? 305 00:18:14,626 --> 00:18:17,187 who told that there was new technology? 306 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:19,940 Why do they dilute the blood samples? 307 00:18:21,884 --> 00:18:25,154 Erika, you don't have to ask questions below. 308 00:18:31,435 --> 00:18:33,579 John, can you hear me? 309 00:18:33,771 --> 00:18:38,250 - It's Richard Fuisz. I am here with... - Phyllis Gardner and Rochelle Gibbons. 310 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,588 - Hi, Rochelle. Thanks for wanting to talk. - We have your story. A big deception. 311 00:18:42,821 --> 00:18:45,300 - Rochelle can prove it. - Then let Rochelle do the talking. 312 00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:48,261 - Yes, I'm just setting the stage. - You don't need to set the stage. 313 00:18:48,285 --> 00:18:51,409 He is a writer. Rochelle, tell him all that you have told us. 314 00:18:53,207 --> 00:18:55,392 Ian told me before he died, 315 00:18:55,793 --> 00:18:58,979 that Elizabeth Holmes did not has invented anything. 316 00:18:59,588 --> 00:19:03,317 It was Ian who had invented and if Ian had testified, 317 00:19:03,383 --> 00:19:06,278 would have done Theranos' patents invalid. 318 00:19:06,345 --> 00:19:12,367 Yes. That's why she didn't would let him testify. It's your story. 319 00:19:12,476 --> 00:19:15,954 Rochelle, did Ian write that down? Is there any documentation? 320 00:19:16,396 --> 00:19:17,831 They took his computer. 321 00:19:18,107 --> 00:19:21,460 - She is your source. - It is qualified speculation. 322 00:19:21,860 --> 00:19:24,089 I certainly can use you, Rochelle, and Phyllis too, 323 00:19:24,113 --> 00:19:28,217 - but as background sources. - What about me? I can be a source. 324 00:19:28,283 --> 00:19:30,512 No, the lawsuit. You have an account to do away with them. 325 00:19:30,536 --> 00:19:31,596 No, I haven't. 326 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:33,722 - Yes, you have. - For a story like this 327 00:19:33,789 --> 00:19:35,683 do i need one with first-hand knowledge. 328 00:19:35,707 --> 00:19:38,561 She gets all employees to sign a confidentiality agreement. 329 00:19:38,585 --> 00:19:40,406 How can we find a source? 330 00:19:42,172 --> 00:19:45,651 Yes, say Happy Thanksgiving to all of them. I miss you guys. 331 00:19:46,093 --> 00:19:48,333 Good, bye. I'll eat extra turkey for you. 332 00:19:48,637 --> 00:19:50,831 - Good. i love you - I love you too. 333 00:19:55,185 --> 00:19:56,870 QUALITY CONTROL 334 00:20:14,163 --> 00:20:17,933 Yes, it is a vitamin D test for a patient in Palo Alto. 335 00:20:19,001 --> 00:20:21,561 And the machine did not pass two quality controls. 336 00:20:22,212 --> 00:20:24,649 They gave me this number, should problems arise. 337 00:20:24,673 --> 00:20:29,362 But we cannot give this patient test results based on this machine. 338 00:20:29,386 --> 00:20:32,781 Yes, we can. Someone is coming to you. 339 00:20:32,848 --> 00:20:36,743 Who... Wait, who's coming? I thought I was here alone. 340 00:20:49,198 --> 00:20:50,304 Hello? 341 00:20:58,916 --> 00:21:00,309 Yes, hello. 342 00:21:02,419 --> 00:21:06,398 Wait. Don't you work? in the research and development department? 343 00:21:06,965 --> 00:21:09,109 Do you have permission to be here? 344 00:21:09,343 --> 00:21:11,945 The machine failed, so therefore we cannot test the blood. 345 00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:13,977 The patient would get inaccurate results. 346 00:21:21,980 --> 00:21:24,042 PREPARING TEST PATIENT: TURNER, BARBARA 347 00:21:24,066 --> 00:21:26,585 ERROR: DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE/ CONFIRM ERROR 348 00:21:27,277 --> 00:21:30,339 Wait. No, it's a real patient. 349 00:21:32,157 --> 00:21:33,759 She is a real person. 350 00:21:34,368 --> 00:21:35,492 Happy Thanksgiving. 351 00:22:42,019 --> 00:22:44,372 Either they run tests on Edison appliances, that doesn't work, 352 00:22:44,396 --> 00:22:46,624 or take a drop of blood, dilute it and test it 353 00:22:46,648 --> 00:22:47,958 on the Siemens devices. 354 00:22:48,567 --> 00:22:50,420 - Mark probably knows. - Is it not possible... 355 00:22:50,444 --> 00:22:52,005 - Everyone knows it! - ...that we don't know, 356 00:22:52,029 --> 00:22:54,465 what the hell are we talking about? That we just finished 357 00:22:54,489 --> 00:22:56,968 and freaking out about something that we don't understand? 358 00:22:56,992 --> 00:22:58,219 It's just vitamin D. 359 00:22:58,243 --> 00:23:00,680 But what happens when it's syphilis? Or hepatitis C? 360 00:23:00,704 --> 00:23:02,932 They will run tests soon for hepatitis C at Edison. 361 00:23:02,956 --> 00:23:04,225 Will she really let that happen? 362 00:23:04,249 --> 00:23:06,768 She is the company's director. She knows what's going on. 363 00:23:06,835 --> 00:23:10,439 Is she giving people false results on purpose? She's not like that. 364 00:23:11,757 --> 00:23:12,863 Why? 365 00:23:13,550 --> 00:23:15,068 Are you angry with me? 366 00:23:15,177 --> 00:23:17,196 why don't you think that she knows what is going on 367 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:20,365 in her own company? Because she's a woman? 368 00:23:21,308 --> 00:23:22,910 Because she's friends with your grandfather? 369 00:23:22,934 --> 00:23:25,704 Because she is rich like you and come by for brunch? 370 00:23:25,979 --> 00:23:28,824 Or because you have to come along for her fucking birthday tonight? 371 00:23:29,816 --> 00:23:31,376 It is so... 372 00:23:33,111 --> 00:23:34,671 Why the hell are you saying that? 373 00:23:36,114 --> 00:23:40,511 It was a real person. I gave inaccurate test results 374 00:23:40,535 --> 00:23:42,356 - to a real person. - Yes, but... 375 00:23:45,624 --> 00:23:49,644 The figures and the facts are there. Everything else is irrelevant, right? 376 00:23:49,711 --> 00:23:52,856 We collect evidence and follow it, until we get to the truth. 377 00:23:53,632 --> 00:23:55,275 Because the truth exists. 378 00:23:59,304 --> 00:24:01,323 The truth exists. 379 00:24:02,474 --> 00:24:03,950 Will you help me? 380 00:24:06,436 --> 00:24:08,350 It doesn't matter. I can do it alone. 381 00:24:17,155 --> 00:24:18,757 Okay, we'll try again. 382 00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:24,012 When people talk about glass ceilings… 383 00:24:24,913 --> 00:24:25,890 Try again. 384 00:24:25,914 --> 00:24:28,108 you know well that when people talk about glass ceilings… 385 00:24:28,291 --> 00:24:30,018 The first line is "glass ceilings." 386 00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:32,395 Relax. You talk to your friends. 387 00:24:33,255 --> 00:24:35,398 When people talk about glass ceilings… 388 00:24:36,925 --> 00:24:39,611 - I'm sorry. - It's okay. Just a few more. 389 00:24:42,013 --> 00:24:44,282 You look tired. Set your hair. 390 00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:46,124 It fits nicely. You don't have to help. 391 00:24:46,268 --> 00:24:48,995 - Don't you need my help? - They are trying to film. 392 00:24:53,775 --> 00:24:55,835 When people talk about glass ceilings… 393 00:24:56,194 --> 00:24:58,297 Why were you unfocused? The movie will be bad. 394 00:24:58,321 --> 00:24:59,507 Can't we just drive? . 395 00:24:59,531 --> 00:25:03,093 They don't want me with them. They don't think I'm pretty enough. 396 00:25:03,618 --> 00:25:06,429 - They are snobs. - Behave like a fine gentleman. 397 00:25:08,707 --> 00:25:11,184 Stop, Sunny. Come now! Hold up. You cannot... 398 00:25:11,251 --> 00:25:13,270 People can see us. Sunny, Sunny... 399 00:25:13,753 --> 00:25:15,021 George doesn't like you 400 00:25:15,046 --> 00:25:16,439 but I have to keep him happy. 401 00:25:16,465 --> 00:25:18,192 Do not speak to me as to others. 402 00:25:18,216 --> 00:25:19,526 Neither do I... 403 00:25:19,593 --> 00:25:21,821 - What if I tell them all? - Says what? 404 00:25:21,845 --> 00:25:24,698 That you love me. That I am your king. 405 00:25:29,227 --> 00:25:31,281 See you over there. I mustn't be late. 406 00:25:45,619 --> 00:25:46,970 Happy birthday! 407 00:25:47,329 --> 00:25:48,513 The birther! 408 00:25:50,999 --> 00:25:52,894 Thanks! Thank you for wanting to come. 409 00:25:52,918 --> 00:25:54,644 - Cheers. - Thank you. 410 00:25:55,754 --> 00:25:57,648 - Congratulations! - Thank you. 411 00:25:57,672 --> 00:25:59,214 Hi, happy birthday. 412 00:25:59,591 --> 00:26:01,151 Many thanks! 413 00:26:02,969 --> 00:26:04,195 And she must live… 414 00:26:04,304 --> 00:26:07,657 - The birth attendant! - Hello, happy birthday. 415 00:26:17,067 --> 00:26:19,127 You don't have a partner with I can see. 416 00:26:19,694 --> 00:26:22,881 No, I don't have time to go on a date. 417 00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:25,550 It's funny. Elizabeth said the same thing. 418 00:26:26,576 --> 00:26:28,011 There you are. 419 00:26:29,371 --> 00:26:32,015 Sunny, what are you telling Charlotte? 420 00:26:32,958 --> 00:26:34,351 i love you 421 00:26:35,252 --> 00:26:39,022 - Translated, it means... - Sunny thinks he can speak Mandarin. 422 00:26:39,339 --> 00:26:40,445 It's such a great style. 423 00:26:43,927 --> 00:26:45,612 You two should go out dancing. 424 00:26:45,762 --> 00:26:47,405 I don't dance. 425 00:26:47,681 --> 00:26:50,784 Never? So it's a shame. 426 00:26:54,145 --> 00:26:56,456 Tyler! There's Tyler. 427 00:26:58,275 --> 00:27:00,210 Hey, grandpa. Can we just talk? 428 00:27:04,322 --> 00:27:07,176 Don't say you want the same, when you turn 30. 429 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,097 Nothing. I certainly don't want to. Can we just talk somewhere? 430 00:27:13,957 --> 00:27:18,104 What is there? You scare me. Is everything okay? 431 00:27:18,128 --> 00:27:20,980 I uh... 432 00:27:21,464 --> 00:27:22,732 I just wanted to… 433 00:27:23,258 --> 00:27:25,443 I just want to talk to you about Theranos. 434 00:27:25,468 --> 00:27:26,574 Talk about what? 435 00:27:28,722 --> 00:27:31,700 It's a party. No one should talk about work at a party. 436 00:27:32,434 --> 00:27:36,496 Elizabeth works harder than the rest of us, so it must be true. 437 00:27:37,355 --> 00:27:40,417 Come and tell Charlotte about the cover of Fortune. 438 00:27:40,442 --> 00:27:41,876 She gets excited. 439 00:27:44,571 --> 00:27:46,673 - We'd better go back. - No. 440 00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:55,557 You were about to say something? 441 00:27:57,375 --> 00:27:59,394 What would you tell your grandfather? 442 00:28:00,086 --> 00:28:02,063 Would you... What would you say? 443 00:28:03,465 --> 00:28:05,610 Do you run the tests for the approval of Edison 444 00:28:05,634 --> 00:28:06,776 on Siemens appliances? 445 00:28:07,385 --> 00:28:09,863 I don't know anything about that. 446 00:28:12,807 --> 00:28:15,827 Do you run blood samples from patients on Siemens appliances? 447 00:28:17,228 --> 00:28:21,249 You have no idea what you are talking about. 448 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,463 Okay? 449 00:28:28,615 --> 00:28:30,592 Have I answered all your questions? 450 00:28:32,327 --> 00:28:37,307 Tyler, Tyler! Kissinger wants Tyler to play the song he wrote. 451 00:28:37,707 --> 00:28:41,269 Apparently he won't be the only one performing tonight. 452 00:28:41,378 --> 00:28:43,813 Have you written me a song? 453 00:28:45,965 --> 00:28:47,414 I would very much like to hear that. 454 00:28:50,595 --> 00:28:53,782 Galileo mapped a sea of stars 455 00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:58,036 Noah predicted a flood 456 00:29:00,563 --> 00:29:04,334 And Elizabeth, you see the future 457 00:29:04,484 --> 00:29:06,711 in a drop of blood 458 00:29:07,779 --> 00:29:10,882 Tesla tamed electricity 459 00:29:12,325 --> 00:29:15,428 Steve Jobs gave us new heights to aspire to 460 00:29:17,747 --> 00:29:21,893 But Elizabeth, you see the future 461 00:29:22,043 --> 00:29:24,020 And you will change the world 462 00:29:26,673 --> 00:29:30,276 Elizabeth the Visionary 463 00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:34,447 Elizabeth the Brave 464 00:29:35,390 --> 00:29:38,493 Oh Elizabeth 465 00:29:39,894 --> 00:29:43,122 Elizabeth 466 00:29:43,732 --> 00:29:47,043 The big one 467 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,423 Elizabeth the Great 468 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,346 I love it. It is so good. Play it again. 469 00:30:00,957 --> 00:30:02,475 Yes, play it again 470 00:30:05,170 --> 00:30:06,521 Good. Okay. 471 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:14,153 Galileo... 472 00:30:15,305 --> 00:30:17,156 - Who is it? - It's me. 473 00:30:20,602 --> 00:30:22,656 You were right about her. You were right about everything. 474 00:30:23,354 --> 00:30:24,460 She knows it. 475 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:41,848 Now the two of us can celebrate you alone. 476 00:30:42,707 --> 00:30:45,143 We haven't had time together, just you and me. 477 00:30:48,922 --> 00:30:52,483 What should I wear? What was that song you showed me 478 00:30:52,550 --> 00:30:54,819 - the other day? - I'm very tired. 479 00:30:54,969 --> 00:30:58,197 Now stop. We continue the party. 480 00:32:00,076 --> 00:32:01,594 TO: ELIZABETH HOLMES 481 00:32:01,661 --> 00:32:03,388 - It's a good email. - Yes. 482 00:32:05,373 --> 00:32:08,143 We protect ourselves. If she opens that email, 483 00:32:08,167 --> 00:32:09,603 she cannot claim to be ignorant 484 00:32:09,627 --> 00:32:13,106 regarding violations of the regulations. It is an electronic proof. 485 00:32:13,381 --> 00:32:14,487 Totally. 486 00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:18,194 So let's send it. 487 00:32:19,053 --> 00:32:20,159 Okay. 488 00:32:25,184 --> 00:32:27,162 - Should I do it? - No, I get scared. 489 00:32:27,186 --> 00:32:30,164 Okay. But why? Apart from the obvious which is… 490 00:32:30,189 --> 00:32:32,834 Because I'm getting fired. So... 491 00:32:33,067 --> 00:32:34,377 What's wrong? 492 00:32:35,486 --> 00:32:36,629 No, I'm fine. 493 00:32:36,738 --> 00:32:38,716 You don't need to send that email. We are waiting. 494 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:42,802 I have problems with panic attacks. So... 495 00:32:44,454 --> 00:32:45,722 I understand it well. 496 00:32:46,539 --> 00:32:48,307 No, you don't. But that's fine. 497 00:32:48,583 --> 00:32:50,810 No, I understand. I do. 498 00:32:54,547 --> 00:32:57,108 I can't just find another job. 499 00:33:00,678 --> 00:33:04,115 I grew up in a caravan. There were six of us. 500 00:33:04,766 --> 00:33:06,701 And my first year at Berkeley was… 501 00:33:06,726 --> 00:33:11,039 I felt like I was on the moon. I didn't feel well… 502 00:33:12,774 --> 00:33:16,169 And then I was assaulted. 503 00:33:18,488 --> 00:33:22,800 I didn't know that. 504 00:33:26,871 --> 00:33:28,139 I was about to drop out. 505 00:33:29,999 --> 00:33:31,601 And then I don't know... 506 00:33:33,294 --> 00:33:34,400 I stayed. 507 00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:39,735 So it's not just an email. It's my job, my rent 508 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,111 and maybe losing it, i love to make. 509 00:33:58,987 --> 00:34:00,093 Look, honey. 510 00:34:02,156 --> 00:34:03,466 Your birthday present. 511 00:34:08,871 --> 00:34:12,266 I have offered it, and we buy it for us. 512 00:34:14,002 --> 00:34:17,105 We move in and live there together. 513 00:34:19,048 --> 00:34:20,901 we do what everyone wants us to do 514 00:34:20,925 --> 00:34:23,194 and get the company listed on the stock exchange. 515 00:34:27,390 --> 00:34:28,533 The wine cellar. 516 00:34:35,064 --> 00:34:36,281 How many bedrooms? 517 00:34:41,487 --> 00:34:42,839 Now I send it. 518 00:34:46,034 --> 00:34:49,178 - Wait, wait, wait. - It's okay. what are you doing 519 00:34:49,537 --> 00:34:52,474 I'm removing your name and send it from my e-mail. 520 00:34:52,498 --> 00:34:53,604 Why? 521 00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:56,853 My name is Schultz. 522 00:35:11,601 --> 00:35:12,707 What is it? 523 00:35:25,948 --> 00:35:27,675 I heard that you would see me. 524 00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:30,004 What is she doing here? She is not involved. 525 00:35:30,036 --> 00:35:31,387 Sit down, Erika. 526 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,145 We are interested in the email, you sent to Elizabeth. 527 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:41,231 Tyler, where did you get the information 528 00:35:41,255 --> 00:35:43,024 about the trials for the approval from? 529 00:35:44,133 --> 00:35:45,860 You do not have access to Normandy. 530 00:35:47,595 --> 00:35:51,866 Erika, did you give Tyler that information? 531 00:35:53,017 --> 00:35:56,287 - I figured it out on my own. - Well, you figured it out yourself. 532 00:35:58,272 --> 00:36:01,250 You almost dumped your senior year at Stanford. 533 00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:04,503 Would you mind explaining to me a bit about statistics? 534 00:36:06,489 --> 00:36:08,175 Or how a laboratory works? 535 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:09,635 Do you know better than all of us? 536 00:36:09,659 --> 00:36:14,098 I'm just trying to do the right thing. 537 00:36:14,122 --> 00:36:16,849 You best! Think you're the good guy here? 538 00:36:17,208 --> 00:36:19,186 The only reason why that I have spent so much 539 00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:22,396 of my working time to talk to you personally, is, 540 00:36:22,463 --> 00:36:25,149 that you are George Schultz's grandson. Do you understand that? 541 00:36:27,677 --> 00:36:29,070 Yes, I understand that. 542 00:36:30,721 --> 00:36:34,116 So that's why I quit with the two weeks' notice. 543 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,577 I don't want two weeks. you can go now. 544 00:36:40,898 --> 00:36:42,833 - I'm moving out. - Stay tuned. 545 00:36:59,542 --> 00:37:01,018 I know it was you. 546 00:37:02,086 --> 00:37:05,064 I can make sure that no one will hire you. 547 00:37:05,339 --> 00:37:06,691 Are we going to have problems with you? 548 00:37:13,014 --> 00:37:14,573 I can't lose my job. 549 00:37:15,516 --> 00:37:16,622 Well. 550 00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:19,161 Then it stops here. 551 00:37:26,527 --> 00:37:29,604 George, he just quit. He got some wrong information. 552 00:37:29,697 --> 00:37:32,092 I'm sorry to say, but maybe he can't 553 00:37:32,116 --> 00:37:34,969 understand the complexity of the that takes place in the laboratory. 554 00:37:35,286 --> 00:37:36,470 He doesn't get it. 555 00:37:36,662 --> 00:37:39,223 He's on his way over here now. Then I get the whole story. 556 00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:59,827 - Are you sure it's... - He'll probably fix it. 557 00:37:59,977 --> 00:38:04,332 Tyler, we managed to find some crayfish for your dinner. 558 00:38:06,484 --> 00:38:07,835 Charlotte, this is Erika. 559 00:38:08,027 --> 00:38:12,131 A pleasure to meet you. I'm Tyler's evil step-grandmother. 560 00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:15,051 - He has told so much about you. - Tyler. 561 00:38:16,535 --> 00:38:17,845 Tyler. Good day. 562 00:38:18,704 --> 00:38:21,265 Elizabeth just called. 563 00:38:22,541 --> 00:38:26,520 She said you quit today in a very unprofessional manner. 564 00:38:29,548 --> 00:38:33,152 Yes. Indeed, it is we came to talk to you about. 565 00:38:34,595 --> 00:38:38,992 you think that Theranos is lying to the authorities. 566 00:38:39,016 --> 00:38:41,994 Yes. But there is much more, we don't know 567 00:38:42,061 --> 00:38:43,121 because no one will say that. 568 00:38:43,145 --> 00:38:46,248 So therefore we need, that you start asking questions. 569 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,503 No, I don't want to. 570 00:38:53,322 --> 00:38:54,465 Why not? 571 00:38:55,783 --> 00:38:58,094 You don't have all the information? 572 00:38:58,744 --> 00:39:02,390 You draw conclusions without knowing the context, which is… 573 00:39:02,748 --> 00:39:07,353 I'm sorry to say... It is childish and immature. 574 00:39:07,503 --> 00:39:08,609 George. 575 00:39:08,796 --> 00:39:12,358 They both work there. They know what they have seen. 576 00:39:12,508 --> 00:39:14,110 No, no. 577 00:39:14,927 --> 00:39:17,364 It has happened very few times in my life, 578 00:39:17,388 --> 00:39:21,075 that I have been given the chance to do something, which is only good. 579 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,702 And this is one of those times. 580 00:39:24,353 --> 00:39:26,705 This company is going to save lives. 581 00:39:27,023 --> 00:39:29,875 So is this conversation over? 582 00:39:31,652 --> 00:39:32,920 What's for dessert? 583 00:39:33,821 --> 00:39:38,551 I know you would very much like to believe, that everything she says is true. 584 00:39:38,576 --> 00:39:39,682 Excuse me. 585 00:39:39,827 --> 00:39:44,433 I would like to believe it too. But if you look at the numbers and data, 586 00:39:44,457 --> 00:39:46,767 - it says very at... - You say 587 00:39:47,877 --> 00:39:49,730 that I do not understand the data material? 588 00:39:49,754 --> 00:39:53,441 - No, I just mean... - Elizabeth demonstrated it to me. 589 00:39:54,091 --> 00:39:58,697 And I have seen the results. Are you saying it doesn't fit? 590 00:39:58,721 --> 00:40:00,948 Yes, I do. She's lying. 591 00:40:07,938 --> 00:40:14,044 I'm glad Elizabeth is promoting and supports other female researchers. 592 00:40:15,446 --> 00:40:18,632 It is a very difficult area for young women. 593 00:40:21,827 --> 00:40:22,933 It can be. 594 00:40:22,995 --> 00:40:25,049 And then you pay her back in that way? 595 00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:32,980 It was nice of you to come. 596 00:40:33,422 --> 00:40:36,817 But I hate that you assume that I'm so old 597 00:40:37,093 --> 00:40:41,363 that I have lost my ability to assess another person's character. 598 00:40:41,389 --> 00:40:43,575 It's not your fault. I think she's taking advantage of you. 599 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,493 They try to prove that you are stupid. 600 00:40:45,643 --> 00:40:48,287 - George. - Who does it? Sunny? Elizabeth? 601 00:40:48,354 --> 00:40:50,206 They can't convince me of that. 602 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:52,917 However, they can convince me that 603 00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:59,548 that you simply do not understands all the sophisticated chemistry 604 00:40:59,573 --> 00:41:03,135 and engineering, going on at Theranos. 605 00:41:06,789 --> 00:41:10,392 I would like to have that this conversation stops. 606 00:41:26,058 --> 00:41:28,345 George said to him, that he did not believe him. 607 00:41:29,854 --> 00:41:33,666 Of course that's nice. George loves you. 608 00:41:34,817 --> 00:41:36,871 Errol Morris liked the commercial. 609 00:41:37,903 --> 00:41:42,091 They will create a hashtag. 610 00:41:55,129 --> 00:41:57,648 According to The New Yorker is she a saint. 611 00:41:58,090 --> 00:42:01,902 William Perry, former Minister of Defence, states: 612 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,699 “She is sometimes been called a new Steve Jobs. 613 00:42:05,723 --> 00:42:08,909 But I mean, that comparison is insufficient. 614 00:42:09,143 --> 00:42:13,205 He was a genius. She is a person with a big heart." 615 00:42:13,272 --> 00:42:14,873 But why? 616 00:42:15,357 --> 00:42:19,128 Why does everyone want to believe that girl? 617 00:42:19,528 --> 00:42:21,964 Because she is pretty and fair-haired. 618 00:42:22,865 --> 00:42:24,919 She is a symbol on feminist progress. 619 00:42:25,534 --> 00:42:30,055 She gets men in the technological world and business to feel comfortable. 620 00:42:30,456 --> 00:42:31,562 Yes. 621 00:42:32,708 --> 00:42:34,727 And she is pretty and fair-haired. 622 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,607 Richard, what are you wearing? Didn't Lorraine pack your suitcase? 623 00:42:41,884 --> 00:42:45,946 She's gone. We must part. I don't want to talk about it. 624 00:42:48,724 --> 00:42:53,579 But maybe you should take a little break. 625 00:42:53,687 --> 00:42:55,207 Why should I take a break? 626 00:42:55,231 --> 00:42:58,000 Because you look tired you sound tired. Lorraine is leaving you. 627 00:42:58,025 --> 00:43:02,005 Be quiet now. I'm trying to write a profile for LinkedIn. 628 00:43:02,029 --> 00:43:03,380 But why that? 629 00:43:03,447 --> 00:43:07,593 I am looking for employees at Theranos, which can be sources. 630 00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:09,596 - Smart. - No. Come now. 631 00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:11,162 Employees at Theranos never will 632 00:43:11,205 --> 00:43:14,642 could write where they work. She is as mobster as El Chapo. 633 00:43:14,833 --> 00:43:18,187 Do not write "Theranos." Type "biomedicine." 634 00:43:18,254 --> 00:43:22,067 Don't tell me what to do. You are not as smart as you think you are. 635 00:43:22,091 --> 00:43:23,317 Yes, I am. 636 00:43:45,781 --> 00:43:52,221 I don't want to be a whistleblower. I can point you in the right direction 637 00:43:52,997 --> 00:43:54,432 and confirm a few details. 638 00:43:54,456 --> 00:43:56,558 I will not go further than that. 639 00:43:57,042 --> 00:43:58,519 Is that understood? 640 00:44:04,675 --> 00:44:06,485 Can I offer you some water? 641 00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:09,947 Yes. 642 00:44:12,891 --> 00:44:14,284 I don't have any water. 643 00:44:14,685 --> 00:44:17,621 i don't know why I said that. I'm nervous. 644 00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:25,212 Just to be curious: Why did you decide to talk to me? 645 00:44:25,362 --> 00:44:28,799 Was it something I wrote in my message on LinkedIn? 646 00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:35,597 That was your signature. Dr. Fuisz. 647 00:44:37,166 --> 00:44:38,809 We are both doctors. 648 00:44:40,878 --> 00:44:42,521 We have taken a medical oath. 649 00:44:44,048 --> 00:44:45,274 Do no harm. 650 00:44:47,926 --> 00:44:49,032 Yes. 651 00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:53,991 Now I'm ready for your questions. 652 00:44:54,183 --> 00:44:55,826 Yes. Just one second. 653 00:44:57,102 --> 00:45:00,205 I have written them down. 654 00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:04,418 Number one: "How is Theranos defrauding Walgreens?" 655 00:45:05,778 --> 00:45:08,590 At Theranos' wellness center, claims Mark Roessler, 656 00:45:08,614 --> 00:45:11,217 will be the blood samples from Arizona packed in cooler bags and shipped 657 00:45:11,241 --> 00:45:14,386 to the laboratories in Palo Alto. But sometimes 658 00:45:14,787 --> 00:45:17,849 the cooler bags are left behind unattended for hours, and the blood tests 659 00:45:17,873 --> 00:45:21,478 literally baking in the sun. When the blood tests so 660 00:45:21,502 --> 00:45:24,313 reach their final destination, are there frequent clots in the blood, 661 00:45:24,463 --> 00:45:26,440 and it is completely useless. 662 00:45:26,548 --> 00:45:30,235 But if the blood sample can still be used, does Theranos thin the blood 663 00:45:30,886 --> 00:45:35,449 and testing it on a modified device from Siemens. 664 00:45:35,891 --> 00:45:37,201 What do you think? 665 00:45:37,893 --> 00:45:39,495 How many sources? 666 00:45:40,396 --> 00:45:42,623 - I have one so far. - It's not enough. 667 00:45:42,648 --> 00:45:45,501 But I have contacted 20 employees. 668 00:45:46,527 --> 00:45:49,325 They are afraid. They all have signed confidentiality agreements. 669 00:45:49,363 --> 00:45:52,175 I can't run that story based on one anonymous source. 670 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,719 I know that. Mark Roessler gave me the names of two laboratory assistants, 671 00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:57,889 which has just stopped. I have contacted one 672 00:45:57,913 --> 00:46:00,349 on LinkedIn. I hope he answers. 673 00:46:00,541 --> 00:46:01,711 Assistants. How young? 674 00:46:02,543 --> 00:46:03,685 Only in the twenties. 675 00:46:05,254 --> 00:46:08,524 They are going to be attacked hard. Do you think they are ready for it? 676 00:46:09,007 --> 00:46:10,642 Have you seen the names on the board? 677 00:46:11,093 --> 00:46:15,322 James Mattis, Henry Kissinger. It's like an army. 678 00:46:17,641 --> 00:46:19,243 WORKING AT THERANOS 679 00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:21,246 It makes you strong to join a company... 680 00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:22,414 SHATTERING THE GLASS CEILING 681 00:46:22,438 --> 00:46:26,792 ...created by a woman, who is so incredibly intelligent 682 00:46:27,025 --> 00:46:28,961 and at the same time caring. 683 00:46:29,945 --> 00:46:33,049 The reason I became an engineer was, that I looked at it 684 00:46:33,073 --> 00:46:36,386 and said, "It looks difficult." “It's a challenge 685 00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:37,516 So I do.” 686 00:46:39,413 --> 00:46:43,475 These are the role models we need. We need more role models 687 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:44,810 for young women. 688 00:46:48,088 --> 00:46:51,901 I definitely think it's well on its way to become as much a career 689 00:46:51,925 --> 00:46:53,610 for women as it is for men. 690 00:46:57,765 --> 00:47:00,492 To see a woman be at the helm of such a strong company, 691 00:47:00,517 --> 00:47:02,536 and that she is a leader with such big ideas, 692 00:47:02,603 --> 00:47:06,541 and that she works in such a technical way, and how inspiring it is 693 00:47:06,565 --> 00:47:08,626 for other young women to want to pursue these 694 00:47:08,650 --> 00:47:10,168 not just technical dreams, 695 00:47:10,194 --> 00:47:13,672 but without being afraid to dream really big. 696 00:47:17,493 --> 00:47:18,599 Yes, good morning. 697 00:47:21,121 --> 00:47:22,472 John Carreyrou? 698 00:47:24,041 --> 00:47:25,601 It's Tyler Schultz. 699 00:47:26,627 --> 00:47:32,190 When people talk about glass ceilings, then I always say: 700 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:35,235 "Next to any glass ceiling, 701 00:47:36,887 --> 00:47:38,280 is there an iron lady." 702 00:47:39,556 --> 00:47:44,119 THERANOS 703 00:48:44,621 --> 00:48:46,723 Texts by: Mads Frese