1 00:00:20,897 --> 00:00:24,108 "I moved to Beatrice in 1995." 2 00:00:24,775 --> 00:00:28,613 Shortly after we moved here I applied for a job here as a department worker 3 00:00:28,738 --> 00:00:31,574 - "Beatrice Police Station" - “While I was working in the department” 4 00:00:31,699 --> 00:00:33,951 I discovered that I always wanted to know 5 00:00:34,076 --> 00:00:35,953 {\an8}- "Tina Fath, Private Investigator" -What was happening immediately with the police? 6 00:00:36,078 --> 00:00:38,873 {\an8}So, I was constantly asking them About what was going on or what was happening 7 00:00:39,415 --> 00:00:42,585 “I thought there was maybe one way "So that I can get answers quickly enough." 8 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:45,379 Which is that I should probably do it myself 9 00:00:48,382 --> 00:00:50,718 "So, I decided to become a police officer." 10 00:00:53,262 --> 00:00:56,766 “There's a saying I heard At the beginning of my investigative work, 11 00:00:58,601 --> 00:01:00,186 "And that saying is" 12 00:01:00,645 --> 00:01:02,063 "What do you think?" 13 00:01:02,772 --> 00:01:05,066 “What do you know? What can you prove?" 14 00:01:06,859 --> 00:01:09,820 “And I always thought that if I followed... These three things 15 00:01:10,196 --> 00:01:12,657 “That's how I wanted to go In my professional career 16 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:17,620 "Beatrice Police Station" 17 00:01:17,745 --> 00:01:21,874 “Actually, the first two people My husband and I met them at the time.” 18 00:01:21,999 --> 00:01:23,918 "They were Burt Searcy and his wife, Cindy." 19 00:01:28,381 --> 00:01:31,425 “I knew Burt was responsible "On solving the Helen Wilson case." 20 00:01:31,676 --> 00:01:33,469 “And I was looking forward to it, I thought...” 21 00:01:33,594 --> 00:01:36,514 “What a wonderful job To solve a case like this.” 22 00:01:40,726 --> 00:01:43,020 "Tina Vath? I've known her for many years." 23 00:01:43,145 --> 00:01:46,857 {\an8}- When she and her then-boyfriend moved to town - "(Burt Searcy)" 24 00:01:47,567 --> 00:01:49,735 “They have become very close friends of mine.” 25 00:01:51,487 --> 00:01:54,115 {\an8}They were new in town They had a number of children 26 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,243 {\an8}- "Cindy Cersei, Burt's wife." - They didn't know anyone, and we got along immediately 27 00:01:59,704 --> 00:02:01,956 “Almost everyone I knew "They knew Burt." 28 00:02:03,124 --> 00:02:05,418 “He grew up here in the area "He lived there all his life." 29 00:02:06,002 --> 00:02:10,590 “You might go into the local restaurant to eat Dinner on Friday night and Burt's there. 30 00:02:10,715 --> 00:02:12,883 “I think half the diners They will rise and salute him.” 31 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:16,971 “The whole community was proud of Bert.” Because he solved that case.” 32 00:02:18,931 --> 00:02:22,518 Tina was always curious about Beatrice's case. In which 6 people were involved.” 33 00:02:22,643 --> 00:02:25,187 She looked like she wanted to Hearing the story over and over again 34 00:02:27,064 --> 00:02:29,900 "Then I became a detective." 35 00:02:30,443 --> 00:02:32,278 “DNA test results "raises questions" 36 00:02:32,445 --> 00:02:36,198 “In late 2007, District Attorney Randy Rittenauer came into my office. 37 00:02:36,324 --> 00:02:40,328 “And he told me that the DNA From Helen Wilson's sexual assault. 38 00:02:40,453 --> 00:02:42,538 "It wasn't for Joseph White." "Or Tom Winslow." 39 00:02:43,581 --> 00:02:47,043 “It was very clear to me that we were facing "A big problem in this case." 40 00:02:49,545 --> 00:02:52,048 And then, what happened next... 41 00:02:54,634 --> 00:02:56,177 Tina was checking in with Burt. 42 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:06,228 "A woman in Beatrice is assaulted and killed." 43 00:03:18,491 --> 00:03:19,909 “Mohaqeq’s insistence was the reason "In solving Beatrice's murder." 44 00:03:20,117 --> 00:03:21,911 "Questions about the murder of a woman from Beatrice." 45 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,341 "Beatrice Police Station - Sheriff." 46 00:03:40,805 --> 00:03:42,598 "Citing the services of Dr. Wayne Price." "which is priceless" 47 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:46,519 (Bryce): Have you ever been exposed? For memory problems? 48 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:03,202 "Beatrice Police Station" 49 00:04:07,123 --> 00:04:09,458 “When we found out "The DNA didn't match." 50 00:04:09,583 --> 00:04:11,961 For both Joe White and Tom Winslow. Or James Dean 51 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:14,171 - "The Murder of Helen Wilson" - "The Prosecutor's Office decided" 52 00:04:14,296 --> 00:04:18,384 {\an8}We needed people They were not familiar with the case 53 00:04:18,509 --> 00:04:20,177 {\an8}- "Tina Fath, Private Investigator" - But they have experience in investigation 54 00:04:20,302 --> 00:04:23,389 {\an8}They can look at the issue from a new perspective 55 00:04:23,514 --> 00:04:25,891 And work to solve it As if it had just happened 56 00:04:27,685 --> 00:04:29,645 “So, we gathered the State Patrol agents.” 57 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,064 {\an8}- "Randy Rittenauer, Gage County District Attorney" -We had some representatives from the sheriff's office 58 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,400 {\an8}And from the police station 59 00:04:35,693 --> 00:04:40,030 “We were going to do everything we could In order, either first, to condemn the six again.” 60 00:04:40,156 --> 00:04:43,743 Or get answers About DNA mismatches 61 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:50,291 “Then we produced a large number of physical evidence.” 62 00:04:50,416 --> 00:04:53,669 We basically prepared inventory For everything we had 63 00:04:55,713 --> 00:04:58,007 “As part of the task force we had an advantage.” 64 00:04:58,132 --> 00:05:01,719 "This is the original photographic evidence." 65 00:05:01,844 --> 00:05:03,387 And video evidence 66 00:05:03,721 --> 00:05:06,682 "And a list of nearly 100 people." 67 00:05:06,807 --> 00:05:09,810 “They interrogated them and took samples from them.” 68 00:05:11,729 --> 00:05:16,484 “The pictures are all in the case I printed it out and pinned it to the wall. 69 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:19,361 "So, when you walked into that room" 70 00:05:19,487 --> 00:05:21,947 “You'll feel like you're walking in to the crime scene" 71 00:05:23,365 --> 00:05:24,992 “We're done We called it “the war room.” 72 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:28,329 "We literally wandered" 73 00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:31,749 We look at photographic evidence of the crime 74 00:05:32,917 --> 00:05:34,919 “Some first things "That seemed strange to me." 75 00:05:35,044 --> 00:05:39,006 That is the trial testimony It didn't match the crime scene 76 00:05:40,007 --> 00:05:43,469 “They testified at trial "They were going to rob that woman." 77 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:46,514 "Loot this house" 78 00:05:48,474 --> 00:05:50,351 “But the apartment was not looted.” 79 00:05:50,476 --> 00:05:52,311 “The only thing that was real "It's a footstool." 80 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:55,773 “There are six people "They were wreaking havoc in a house." 81 00:05:55,898 --> 00:06:00,027 The footrest is the only thing upside down 82 00:06:00,778 --> 00:06:02,363 "Nothing else was out of place." 83 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,117 “During the investigation, we discovered "There was about $1,200 in cash." 84 00:06:07,535 --> 00:06:08,994 "Found in the apartment" 85 00:06:09,370 --> 00:06:11,580 “It is clear that the motive was not robbery.” 86 00:06:13,123 --> 00:06:16,293 “It was clear that this was a crime "It was sexually motivated." 87 00:06:16,585 --> 00:06:17,962 "I put a pillow over her face." 88 00:06:18,087 --> 00:06:21,590 "The testimony was that Joan Taylor... "I put a pillow over her face." 89 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:25,886 “So that Mrs. Wilson can't see "The face of the person who was assaulting her." 90 00:06:27,054 --> 00:06:28,430 “She wouldn't have been able to see anything "Anyway" 91 00:06:28,556 --> 00:06:31,100 “Because of the scarf that was wrapped around her face.” 92 00:06:34,144 --> 00:06:36,480 “There is a theory that works With six cups of coffee.” 93 00:06:36,605 --> 00:06:38,148 "And someone made the coffee." 94 00:06:40,109 --> 00:06:42,152 "There's a cup of coffee on the table." 95 00:06:42,278 --> 00:06:44,947 “As for inside the pelvis "There are a few drinks." 96 00:06:45,072 --> 00:06:46,657 "And there's something that looks like a plastic cup." 97 00:06:46,782 --> 00:06:49,660 “But I don’t know of any coffee cups "Anywhere else in the apartment" 98 00:06:52,246 --> 00:06:53,831 "I looked at Burt as a person." 99 00:06:53,956 --> 00:06:56,542 “He would have noticed some of those inconsistencies.” 100 00:06:57,501 --> 00:07:00,671 “Then we discovered that in 1989.” 101 00:07:00,796 --> 00:07:04,967 When Burt took over Searcy... "The Sheriff's Office of Investigation" 102 00:07:05,092 --> 00:07:06,635 Nobody from the sheriff's office... 103 00:07:07,636 --> 00:07:10,055 He actually came and read the case file 104 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:12,725 "Sheriff's office" 105 00:07:13,851 --> 00:07:18,063 Concerning the Gage County Sheriff's Office "Beatrice Police Station" 106 00:07:18,188 --> 00:07:22,109 Historically, there has been a great rift between the two 107 00:07:22,318 --> 00:07:24,778 "Police, Birdet L. Circe." 108 00:07:24,904 --> 00:07:26,447 "In this particular case" 109 00:07:27,364 --> 00:07:32,286 “Burt Searcy left the police station suspiciously" 110 00:07:32,828 --> 00:07:34,747 He then went on to become a pig farmer 111 00:07:36,916 --> 00:07:40,336 “After this crime occurred "He actually communicated with the family himself." 112 00:07:40,461 --> 00:07:42,546 "And he told them he was going to solve that crime." 113 00:07:44,089 --> 00:07:45,466 "Then he started walking around on his own." 114 00:07:45,591 --> 00:07:47,968 “He asks people different questions "about this crime" 115 00:07:49,511 --> 00:07:52,056 “They were very upset at the police station.” 116 00:07:52,181 --> 00:07:55,893 Because he was walking around as a civilian 117 00:07:56,018 --> 00:07:57,519 He is allegedly investigating this case 118 00:07:57,645 --> 00:07:59,855 While he wasn't enjoying it With no authority to do so 119 00:08:00,397 --> 00:08:04,234 “In fact, they didn't believe the police station "He was such a brilliant investigator." 120 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,448 So, the police received orders Not to cooperate with Burt Cersei. 121 00:08:10,074 --> 00:08:12,242 So, that was pressure and tension 122 00:08:12,368 --> 00:08:16,497 Then when you hire Burt Searcy... In the sheriff's office 123 00:08:16,622 --> 00:08:19,750 - “New faces in the sheriff’s office” “They hijacked the case, so to speak.” 124 00:08:20,334 --> 00:08:22,670 “They pursued their own investigation.” 125 00:08:28,676 --> 00:08:31,595 "Gage County Sheriff's Office" 126 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,683 Investigation conducted by the Sheriff's Office It was based on confidential informants 127 00:08:35,808 --> 00:08:38,727 They built the entire case on that 128 00:08:40,437 --> 00:08:44,066 "It was Lisa Bodendorf." "She's the one who really set this case in motion." 129 00:08:44,733 --> 00:08:46,777 Joan Taylor told me. 130 00:08:46,902 --> 00:08:49,029 {\an8}- "(Lisa Bodendorf), informant" “She knew what happened.” 131 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:51,949 {\an8}I told Burt about the talk before school 132 00:08:53,701 --> 00:08:56,036 Joan Taylor said "It's her and Joseph White." 133 00:08:56,161 --> 00:08:58,247 They killed a woman in that building 134 00:08:59,623 --> 00:09:01,375 “It's a raison d'être,” she said "All those police cars over there." 135 00:09:02,209 --> 00:09:04,586 {\an8}"Do you remember the approximate time?" When Joan Taylor spoke to you? 136 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:07,881 "Yes, seven-thirty in the morning." 137 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:13,053 We later discovered that... 138 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,681 That's the talk It can't be true 139 00:09:16,348 --> 00:09:20,561 “Because reporting the crime "It wasn't until about nine-thirty." 140 00:09:21,145 --> 00:09:23,814 “So, there were no police cars At half past seven in the morning.” 141 00:09:24,398 --> 00:09:27,818 "She told me they suffocated her with a pillow." 142 00:09:27,943 --> 00:09:30,571 “The autopsy reveals assault on the victim "And she died by strangulation." 143 00:09:30,696 --> 00:09:33,866 Everything Lisa Buddendorf said to Burt. He was appearing in the media.” 144 00:09:33,991 --> 00:09:35,659 “Then they tied her hands.” 145 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:38,662 "She was able to... Her hands were tied behind her back.” 146 00:09:38,787 --> 00:09:40,247 "Above the living room floor" 147 00:09:40,706 --> 00:09:42,833 “Near the footstool Which was upside down.” 148 00:09:44,543 --> 00:09:47,004 So, the information was available to everyone 149 00:09:49,673 --> 00:09:51,300 "After reviewing police reports" 150 00:09:51,425 --> 00:09:54,553 We found out that Lisa and Joan Taylor... They weren't friends 151 00:09:54,678 --> 00:09:56,055 They didn't like each other 152 00:09:57,306 --> 00:10:00,309 “There were some confrontations "The actual physicality between the two." 153 00:10:01,685 --> 00:10:03,103 “As I look at this, I think...” 154 00:10:03,228 --> 00:10:07,191 Why would Joan tell Lisa? "For something as important as this regarding a crime?" 155 00:10:08,275 --> 00:10:11,570 “So, in 2008 "Lisa Bodendorf interrogated." 156 00:10:12,362 --> 00:10:16,992 {\an8}“First, do you remember... Do you have an idea? About the time you saw this car? 157 00:10:19,411 --> 00:10:21,497 "I mean, was there light or dark..." 158 00:10:25,501 --> 00:10:27,419 "It wasn't that dark" 159 00:10:28,087 --> 00:10:29,630 "Maybe it was getting dark" 160 00:10:29,755 --> 00:10:31,673 {\an8}“It was sometime after five I'm sure" 161 00:10:32,758 --> 00:10:35,427 It was confronted with contradictions related to timing 162 00:10:35,928 --> 00:10:38,138 She had no explanation for that 163 00:10:39,348 --> 00:10:43,602 “I asked her if she was ready To undergo a lie detector test. 164 00:10:43,727 --> 00:10:46,814 “I refused it And you never spoke to me again." 165 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:51,527 “Actually, I went to her house Her husband kicked me out of the courtyard.” 166 00:10:56,824 --> 00:11:00,369 “Were you present when the crime occurred?” “Yes, I was in the room.” 167 00:11:00,494 --> 00:11:03,872 “When I started watching the interrogations "I was in shock" 168 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:10,087 “I think [Joan's] interrogation was one "One of the first interrogations I saw." 169 00:11:11,672 --> 00:11:14,758 {\an8}"Joan, how did you get to the site?" Where did it happen? 170 00:11:15,217 --> 00:11:16,635 "Do you remember this?" 171 00:11:18,137 --> 00:11:20,139 {\an8}The boy who was with Lobo "He had a car" 172 00:11:20,264 --> 00:11:21,849 “Do you remember what the car looked like?” 173 00:11:21,974 --> 00:11:23,559 "It was light blue." 174 00:11:24,852 --> 00:11:28,480 “The car you describe being in "It was completely wrong." 175 00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:32,818 {\an8}“The building I can remember that I can see" 176 00:11:32,943 --> 00:11:35,904 {\an8}- "It is a light colored house" -Are you sure? 177 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:38,157 “I can see the house as clear as day.” 178 00:11:38,407 --> 00:11:40,909 "She described a one-story house." 179 00:11:41,034 --> 00:11:44,079 This is completely contrary to the crime scene 180 00:11:44,204 --> 00:11:46,498 It was a three-story house Of red brick 181 00:11:50,419 --> 00:11:53,922 {\an8}"Do you want to stop and think?" In this little? And take a short break? 182 00:11:54,256 --> 00:11:56,842 {\an8}- "I think so" “Okay, we'll stop the tape.” 183 00:11:57,718 --> 00:11:59,094 Then the video stopped for a moment 184 00:11:59,219 --> 00:12:01,388 They stopped for a break Then the video came back again 185 00:12:01,513 --> 00:12:03,432 The description was completely different 186 00:12:04,266 --> 00:12:08,228 {\an8}“We now continue the recorded interrogation With Joan Taylor 187 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:10,856 “Well, how would you describe that car?” 188 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,816 "It's brown and green." 189 00:12:13,317 --> 00:12:16,111 “Its structure was green and the roof was brown.” 190 00:12:16,612 --> 00:12:17,988 "Okay" 191 00:12:18,697 --> 00:12:21,742 The car is now Identical to Tom Winslow's car. 192 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:25,829 “Do you remember what this house was made of?” 193 00:12:25,954 --> 00:12:28,040 {\an8}- "Red Brick" - "Red Brick" 194 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:32,127 {\an8}"Do you remember? Whether it is one residential unit or... 195 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:33,670 "It was an apartment building." 196 00:12:34,546 --> 00:12:36,924 Now she describes a brick house 197 00:12:39,718 --> 00:12:43,013 There were a few things like that We saw her in interrogation 198 00:12:43,138 --> 00:12:44,890 Where statements change 199 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:46,725 "What did Mr. Winslow do?" 200 00:12:47,184 --> 00:12:50,020 {\an8}"Did you see him having sex?" With Mrs. Wilson? 201 00:12:50,145 --> 00:12:52,356 {\an8}- "No" - "Are you sure about that?" 202 00:12:52,481 --> 00:12:53,857 "Yes" 203 00:12:53,982 --> 00:12:56,818 "I'll pause the video for a moment." 204 00:12:56,944 --> 00:12:59,321 "Until we get a new tape, okay?" 205 00:13:00,989 --> 00:13:02,366 "We replay the tape now." 206 00:13:02,491 --> 00:13:04,076 "We had to stop the video" 207 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:06,119 "I reported that Mr. Winslow..." 208 00:13:06,703 --> 00:13:08,538 {\an8}"Apparently assaulted "On Helen Wilson." 209 00:13:08,664 --> 00:13:11,375 {\an8}- “According to what you are telling us, is this true?” - "Yes" 210 00:13:11,875 --> 00:13:14,419 “At that point "We started to understand what was happening." 211 00:13:14,544 --> 00:13:16,296 "Because basically what happened" 212 00:13:16,421 --> 00:13:18,006 "It's in every video" 213 00:13:18,548 --> 00:13:24,888 “Burt Searcy taught them basic information about the case during interrogations.” 214 00:13:25,013 --> 00:13:27,933 “Didn't he tell you if he had sex with her...” 215 00:13:29,518 --> 00:13:32,688 {\an8}"Naturally vaginally Or the backside?” 216 00:13:33,230 --> 00:13:35,732 "Did he comment on this in any way you remember?" 217 00:13:38,110 --> 00:13:40,445 "I think he mentioned something about the butt." 218 00:13:40,737 --> 00:13:44,074 “That was one of the most difficult interrogations "legally invalid" 219 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:47,160 That I've ever seen in my life 220 00:13:47,536 --> 00:13:51,206 Directly providing them with information About the case 221 00:13:51,748 --> 00:13:54,501 Then ask them what they know about the case 222 00:13:55,168 --> 00:13:57,671 “I had a feeling during all those interrogations.” 223 00:13:57,796 --> 00:14:00,716 "That the suspects were actually thinking" 224 00:14:01,049 --> 00:14:03,844 “As soon as I tell them the information Whatever they want, I can go home." 225 00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:08,473 But of course, that was not the point of the matter This was a murder investigation 226 00:14:08,598 --> 00:14:11,643 And if they admit their involvement in the crime They weren't going anywhere 227 00:14:13,228 --> 00:14:16,815 For Winslow, during his interrogation There is another video 228 00:14:17,065 --> 00:14:18,483 "Okay, Tom." 229 00:14:19,151 --> 00:14:22,404 {\an8}“The reason I'm here is responding to your request" 230 00:14:22,779 --> 00:14:26,116 In the second video He asked Burt Searcy to speak to him. 231 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:28,160 Because he wanted to tell him something more 232 00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:30,579 Then Winslow backed down 233 00:14:31,038 --> 00:14:32,956 "That part where I said I knew." 234 00:14:33,665 --> 00:14:35,584 "I was in the apartment and everything..." 235 00:14:35,709 --> 00:14:37,169 "That wasn't true" 236 00:14:37,753 --> 00:14:39,296 "Because..." 237 00:14:39,421 --> 00:14:41,715 "Well, I can't believe it now, you're lying." 238 00:14:42,382 --> 00:14:46,553 {\an8}Okay? I arrested people and they sat here And tell me exactly what happened." 239 00:14:46,970 --> 00:14:48,847 "That's why they were arrested. They confessed." 240 00:14:48,972 --> 00:14:50,724 {\an8}- “I wasn’t in the apartment...” “Nonsense, Tom!” 241 00:14:50,974 --> 00:14:53,560 Burt Searcy literally exploded With a wave of insults 242 00:14:53,685 --> 00:14:56,271 He had a fit of anger 243 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:57,981 {\an8}- “I won't listen to this nonsense.” - "Okay" 244 00:14:58,106 --> 00:14:59,566 "If you're going to lie..." 245 00:14:59,691 --> 00:15:01,360 "I'll be back because I know I'm not lying!" 246 00:15:01,485 --> 00:15:03,153 {\an8}- "Okay, something's wrong." - "I wasn't there!" 247 00:15:03,278 --> 00:15:05,530 He started yelling at Winslow. 248 00:15:05,655 --> 00:15:08,950 He says he is the doer and... 249 00:15:10,619 --> 00:15:12,079 Well, you can see that 250 00:15:12,204 --> 00:15:14,748 You can hear what he said on the tape 251 00:15:14,873 --> 00:15:17,250 {\an8}"There are people who told me "What exactly did you do to that woman?" 252 00:15:17,376 --> 00:15:18,794 “Fuck her in the ass!” 253 00:15:19,461 --> 00:15:21,129 "He didn't really like it." 254 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:24,341 That someone was ruining his theory About the case 255 00:15:24,466 --> 00:15:27,427 {\an8}“I'm telling you what everyone says "And their stories are all in harmony." 256 00:15:28,387 --> 00:15:30,555 "Now, see what's wrong, Tom?" 257 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,182 "I'm telling the truth" 258 00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:35,685 "I think Winslow finally understands." 259 00:15:36,228 --> 00:15:37,813 He was in big trouble 260 00:15:37,938 --> 00:15:40,148 And it was actually now Suspected of murder 261 00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:44,778 {\an8}“I will not be imprisoned and perhaps executed Because of something I didn't do!" 262 00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:46,905 {\an8}- “Tom, listen!” - "No! I won't lie!" 263 00:15:47,239 --> 00:15:51,284 I don't think he understood that Until he returned to his cell 264 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:53,453 And he understood what he had just done 265 00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:01,128 "When I looked at those interrogations" 266 00:16:01,253 --> 00:16:03,672 I didn't stop long at the testimonies Which they provided 267 00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:05,632 Because of all these contradictions 268 00:16:06,216 --> 00:16:08,844 “One did not know what to believe Or what the truth actually is.” 269 00:16:08,969 --> 00:16:10,387 We had to look for some additional evidence 270 00:16:10,512 --> 00:16:13,390 And provide more evidence to the laboratory To conduct more tests 271 00:16:15,851 --> 00:16:20,522 “We took out a total More than 30 other items" 272 00:16:22,190 --> 00:16:23,984 We sent them all for analysis and waited 273 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:26,903 "Beatrice Police Station" 274 00:16:32,868 --> 00:16:35,620 “In a few weeks "We're starting to get that evidence again." 275 00:16:39,416 --> 00:16:41,376 "In every case" 276 00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:45,839 “The results are in and they are showing DNA from the victim" 277 00:16:45,964 --> 00:16:47,382 "The victim, Helen Wilson." 278 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:49,342 “One unidentified male.” 279 00:16:49,468 --> 00:16:52,387 "one man" 280 00:16:52,554 --> 00:16:56,641 It wasn't DNA For any of the six persons for any of the purposes 281 00:16:59,811 --> 00:17:02,272 "None of the six people." 282 00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:04,357 "leave any part of the DNA" 283 00:17:04,483 --> 00:17:08,862 Not a single hair or drop of blood Nothing, no DNA at all 284 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:13,950 “It is clear that they lied in their testimonies.” 285 00:17:14,075 --> 00:17:16,203 “Her nose bled.” They testified that Kathy Gonzalez... 286 00:17:16,328 --> 00:17:18,413 “She was hit on the nose and left bloody.” 287 00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:22,501 “They also testified that some of their blood "It was on the bedroom wall." 288 00:17:23,251 --> 00:17:25,712 "That blood is a mixture of two blood types." 289 00:17:25,837 --> 00:17:28,798 “One of them has been identified "It's Helen Wilson's blood type." 290 00:17:28,924 --> 00:17:31,718 "And then that guy's DNA." 291 00:17:31,843 --> 00:17:33,595 "The suspect's blood type is Universal B." 292 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,681 We clearly caught the wrong people 293 00:17:36,806 --> 00:17:38,808 We were completely wrong 294 00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:44,523 “And now there are people in prison.” 295 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,193 throughout a large part of their lives 296 00:17:48,985 --> 00:17:50,570 And we have to do something about it 297 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:54,950 (Lincoln, Nebraska) 298 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:56,952 Randy Rittenauer called and said 299 00:17:57,577 --> 00:18:00,121 {\an8}"We think they made a mistake These six are all in prison." 300 00:18:00,247 --> 00:18:01,915 {\an8}- "John Bruning, Attorney General of Nebraska" “And they shouldn't be there.” 301 00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:05,710 There is no physical evidence There are six of them there 302 00:18:06,586 --> 00:18:08,922 We didn't expect that, I thought maybe... 303 00:18:10,131 --> 00:18:12,676 That three of them were there Three others were innocent 304 00:18:12,801 --> 00:18:14,469 Or... I don't know what I thought 305 00:18:14,594 --> 00:18:18,515 But it didn't occur to me All six were innocent 306 00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:25,063 “When you are a prosecutor "You can make the decision." 307 00:18:25,188 --> 00:18:27,649 “About what you think is right or wrong.” 308 00:18:28,483 --> 00:18:31,403 “So, we had a meeting in my conference room With the task unit 309 00:18:31,528 --> 00:18:32,988 "And review the case." 310 00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:36,449 Attorney General John Bruning said 311 00:18:37,075 --> 00:18:39,119 "Let's uncover what's happening." 312 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:42,581 “Every day they spend in prison "It's a day they shouldn't be in prison." 313 00:18:42,706 --> 00:18:46,167 So, I told Rittenauer, "Let's handle the matter as quickly as we can." 314 00:18:46,293 --> 00:18:47,794 {\an8}"(Debra K. Sheldon)" 315 00:18:48,003 --> 00:18:51,631 {\an8}"(Deb Sheldon), (James Dean) And Kathy Gonzalez. 316 00:18:51,756 --> 00:18:54,134 “They have all served their sentences in prison.” 317 00:18:54,259 --> 00:18:56,886 So, there was nothing we could do With them at that moment 318 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,976 “We transferred Ada Joan Taylor to try out She was released on conditional condition.” 319 00:19:03,977 --> 00:19:07,272 (Joseph White) The court ordered his retrial.” 320 00:19:07,397 --> 00:19:09,524 “So, at that point, I release him.” 321 00:19:11,026 --> 00:19:13,320 {\an8}- "What are you going to do?" - "I go home" 322 00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:17,991 "(Winzel) release him as well." 323 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:22,287 “(Thomas Winslow) went to prison At the age of 23 years 324 00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:24,331 “He is 42 years old now.” 325 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:27,459 “So what are you going to do now? What will you do next?" 326 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:32,380 “I'm just going to try to get my life together "This is what I will do" 327 00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:53,360 “Release these people quickly.” 328 00:19:53,485 --> 00:19:55,362 "And throw the case out the window." 329 00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:59,908 For me, this was a huge disappointment 330 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:04,746 "What can I do?" 331 00:20:05,455 --> 00:20:07,791 I mean, what would I do? 332 00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:12,837 “(Tina Vath) was the one driving task unit" 333 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:15,006 "I've known her for many years" 334 00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:17,926 Nothing was really discussed with me 335 00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:19,761 This hurts 336 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:23,473 "Tina always said" 337 00:20:23,598 --> 00:20:26,101 "She believed Burt." 338 00:20:26,226 --> 00:20:30,563 "And they deserve to be in prison." 339 00:20:30,689 --> 00:20:32,065 She said this 340 00:20:35,068 --> 00:20:38,029 Then suddenly, she didn't believe it anymore 341 00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:41,199 And suddenly, my dear friend She is no longer my friend 342 00:20:41,324 --> 00:20:43,493 She seemed like an enemy to me 343 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:50,291 "When the investigation began" 344 00:20:50,417 --> 00:20:53,461 We stopped spending time together as much 345 00:20:54,796 --> 00:20:57,632 "Even if it makes Burt look bad." 346 00:20:57,757 --> 00:21:00,385 But it was the investigation that needed to be done 347 00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:04,347 “So, that's the time That's when I stopped talking to him." 348 00:21:05,432 --> 00:21:06,850 I just had to do my job 349 00:21:08,685 --> 00:21:10,145 "She had her reasons" 350 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:13,982 But it had really big repercussions 351 00:21:14,107 --> 00:21:16,860 Maybe you didn't know her at all 352 00:21:19,362 --> 00:21:22,615 "The newspapers were writing" 353 00:21:22,741 --> 00:21:26,870 “It was Burt who mishandled the case.” - “The investigator is convinced that the suspect is guilty.” 354 00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:30,165 “And he was not competent.” 355 00:21:31,666 --> 00:21:33,334 Of course, there was Facebook. 356 00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:36,463 - People started writing things on Facebook. “You should be in prison.” 357 00:21:36,588 --> 00:21:38,715 “The attack turned into a personal attack.” 358 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,467 “You should be in hell What were you thinking, man?" 359 00:21:40,592 --> 00:21:43,052 Someone was posting Burt's website. 360 00:21:43,178 --> 00:21:46,181 And he says, "Okay, if you want to go "And do something about what happened." 361 00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:47,974 "He's in the flower shop." 362 00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:50,977 And for me, that was terrifying to read 363 00:21:54,647 --> 00:21:57,525 “The criticism was increasing "about a series of interrogations" 364 00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,736 "Led by Inquisitor Perdette Cersei." 365 00:21:59,861 --> 00:22:03,198 Burt helped Searcy get me in Beatrice's six accusers are behind bars. 366 00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:05,283 "Using unconventional tactics" 367 00:22:05,408 --> 00:22:08,828 “And brutal interrogation methods Bullying and brainwashing even.” 368 00:22:08,953 --> 00:22:11,122 Five of them were forced to confess their guilt 369 00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:12,749 And criminalizing others 370 00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:14,250 We were honestly a little embarrassed 371 00:22:14,375 --> 00:22:19,422 I mean, we're all sad about today In which our colleagues did not act correctly 372 00:22:19,756 --> 00:22:24,344 I don't think I'm a bad guy, they try to make me out I'm a bad person but I'm not like that 373 00:22:24,469 --> 00:22:27,222 “Do you think you did anything wrong?” - Of course not 374 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:28,973 “Do you think you did something immoral?” 375 00:22:29,098 --> 00:22:30,475 No, ma'am 376 00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:32,811 - “Do you sleep soundly?” - Yes, ma'am 377 00:22:34,729 --> 00:22:37,690 I can weather the storm I'm like a duck, you know? 378 00:22:38,775 --> 00:22:40,985 I inflate myself and let the water pass me by 379 00:22:42,445 --> 00:22:43,822 I knew that wasn't true 380 00:22:43,947 --> 00:22:46,324 So, you know what? what 381 00:22:47,617 --> 00:22:49,035 What is not true cannot hurt 382 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,497 I mean, it could hurt someone But it doesn't hurt me 383 00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:06,845 “I found out about the news through the newspapers.” 384 00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:09,472 {\an8}I've been convinced of something for a long time 385 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:12,934 {\an8}- "Bob Houseman, grandson of Helen Wilson." -And then someone comes along and tells you something different? 386 00:23:16,688 --> 00:23:18,356 It's just a shock, I mean... 387 00:23:19,858 --> 00:23:22,068 “Did many journalists come here?” 388 00:23:22,193 --> 00:23:25,989 There are many newspapers, and... 389 00:23:26,364 --> 00:23:28,741 My mother didn't want to talk to anyone 390 00:23:29,242 --> 00:23:31,160 And I... 391 00:23:33,913 --> 00:23:35,915 When they came to me, I refused 392 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:40,670 Finally, the Lincoln Journal Star. Some reporters called 393 00:23:40,795 --> 00:23:44,090 They said they wanted to write a story about my grandmother 394 00:23:46,551 --> 00:23:48,678 She was hesitant at first and... 395 00:23:54,893 --> 00:23:56,436 I convinced her to do it 396 00:23:58,521 --> 00:24:01,482 {\an8}- It was a wrong decision - "Why?" 397 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:03,359 Because it wasn't about my grandmother At all 398 00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:05,737 It was about Beatrice's six accusers This devastated my mother 399 00:24:07,614 --> 00:24:08,990 And it was because of me 400 00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:17,457 There were many articles 401 00:24:18,291 --> 00:24:22,378 {\an8}- "Shane Wilson, grandson of Helen Wilson." - About the wrongful conviction part 402 00:24:22,503 --> 00:24:23,922 “My grandmother was mentioned at the bottom of the article.” 403 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:28,051 “It was around convict people "In the murder of Helen Wilson." 404 00:24:28,426 --> 00:24:31,971 She did not mention anything about her or us 405 00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:34,599 How are you? 406 00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:37,393 - Burt, we set up a chair for you - Okay 407 00:24:41,356 --> 00:24:44,067 “This was the worst execution of justice.” 408 00:24:44,192 --> 00:24:45,944 "In the history of the state of Nebraska" 409 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,821 “And probably one of the worst In the entire United States" 410 00:24:48,947 --> 00:24:50,698 "How did this happen?" 411 00:24:51,115 --> 00:24:55,119 “How did six people get convicted? Because of a crime they didn't commit? 412 00:24:55,244 --> 00:24:57,080 "There was no physical evidence." 413 00:24:57,205 --> 00:25:00,500 “Indicates that none of these people He entered Helen's apartment. 414 00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:05,088 “I don't know how it could exist "Six people here without leaving any evidence." 415 00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:09,842 This apartment can accommodate all of us How many were we? 416 00:25:09,968 --> 00:25:11,719 Our tracks were not there either 417 00:25:11,844 --> 00:25:14,263 So, this doesn't prove anything at all 418 00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:16,975 "With the blessing of the Wilson family." 419 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:19,602 Burt Searcy has begun his own investigation. 420 00:25:19,727 --> 00:25:23,648 “I think he's a...clumsy cop.” 421 00:25:24,107 --> 00:25:26,776 “He did his best But his best efforts were not enough. 422 00:25:27,276 --> 00:25:28,820 - “I don't know why he was...” - Oh my God, what a scoundrel 423 00:25:28,945 --> 00:25:32,448 “Convinced by the information he took from her "But it was bad information." 424 00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:35,910 The only thing I know and I'll say it 425 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,912 I know I didn't do anything wrong 426 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:41,666 I know I did the right thing legally and technically 427 00:25:41,791 --> 00:25:43,501 And I know they were guilty 428 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:48,131 - “We trust you” - "We believe you" 429 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,679 "You're listening to 1450 AM." 430 00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:59,017 On 94.7 (FM) (KWPE Beatrice)” 431 00:25:59,308 --> 00:26:01,769 {\an8}"(Doug Kennedy), there's one thing I want to hear your opinion about it...” 432 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:04,772 {\an8}“What a difficult time this has been "For the family" 433 00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:06,691 "Do you want me to say my name?" 434 00:26:06,816 --> 00:26:09,402 "I'm Jan Houseman, daughter of Helen Wilson." 435 00:26:10,653 --> 00:26:15,450 {\an8}"After 20 years We believe that the issue has been resolved.” 436 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:20,663 {\an8}“Then knowing this... I'll tell you something "We all couldn't believe it." 437 00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:23,916 “We knew these were the people, just...” 438 00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:26,961 {\an8}"Just because of the DNA “It was not there, it is not certain that they did not exist.” 439 00:26:30,715 --> 00:26:36,137 {\an8}"I question the accuracy of the research In the case before, this appeared.” 440 00:26:37,221 --> 00:26:42,560 {\an8}"People in Beatrice" "None of them believed they weren't there." 441 00:26:43,811 --> 00:26:46,355 “They stood before a jury under oath.” 442 00:26:46,481 --> 00:26:48,274 “And they stood before a judge.” 443 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:50,985 “They were imprisoned for 20 years.” 444 00:26:51,569 --> 00:26:54,781 {\an8}“And suddenly now they are saying this Because someone else says it? 445 00:26:54,906 --> 00:26:56,407 "This doesn't work" 446 00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:03,372 {\an8}“They're taking advantage of my mother's name "as a stepping stone towards politics" 447 00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:11,172 “After printing the dictations And interrogations and all that.” 448 00:27:11,464 --> 00:27:14,967 {\an8}- "Kim Perkins, Gage County Jailer" - To this day, I still believe it 449 00:27:15,093 --> 00:27:17,929 Beatrice's six accusers are guilty 450 00:27:18,429 --> 00:27:20,056 And they were in that apartment 451 00:27:20,181 --> 00:27:21,599 Maybe they didn't assault her 452 00:27:23,309 --> 00:27:24,685 They were there 453 00:27:27,105 --> 00:27:28,940 “People confessed to this crime.” 454 00:27:29,065 --> 00:27:30,900 “Then they later said they were not involved.” 455 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,986 {\an8}You can threaten me with a lot But if I haven't committed a crime 456 00:27:34,112 --> 00:27:36,239 {\an8}- "Gary Webb, Lieutenant, Beatrice Police" - I won't admit it 457 00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:40,993 “I think those six "They did what they were convicted of." 458 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,412 {\an8}- "Kent Harlan, Gage County Sheriff's Deputy." -I really think so 459 00:27:43,663 --> 00:27:45,123 "Beatrice Police Station" 460 00:27:45,248 --> 00:27:46,749 "The fact that the six" 461 00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,711 {\an8}- “Their blood type was not universal.” - "Bill Fitzgerald, Lieutenant." 462 00:27:50,837 --> 00:27:54,215 {\an8}To me, it means just that They were not injured and bleeding there 463 00:27:56,509 --> 00:28:00,346 There are still many people in Beatrice. "They think the six are guilty." 464 00:28:01,305 --> 00:28:03,933 We have to remember that they spent 20 years 465 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,561 They believe that these people are guilty 466 00:28:06,686 --> 00:28:09,981 So, it's hard to change that 467 00:28:15,278 --> 00:28:17,196 "After the release of the six" 468 00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:20,032 We knew we had six people They were not the doers 469 00:28:20,158 --> 00:28:22,743 And someone else committed the crime We didn't know who he was 470 00:28:23,494 --> 00:28:26,497 So, our whole focus changed In the task module 471 00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:29,083 We had to change how we work 472 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:32,128 And we start looking for that other person 473 00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:37,800 “We know that all the evidence we presented...” 474 00:28:37,925 --> 00:28:42,471 So far, everything is at the crime scene Refers to one male 475 00:28:42,597 --> 00:28:44,390 "And we have a complete DNA profile." 476 00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:48,603 We just have to connect someone With a DNA profile 477 00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:52,398 "(Kansas), 2008" 478 00:28:56,485 --> 00:28:58,404 We went to question James Dean. 479 00:28:58,905 --> 00:29:00,281 {\an8}- "You must be James." - "I'm James" 480 00:29:00,406 --> 00:29:02,742 {\an8}- "J. Morrow, how are you?" - "And you?" 481 00:29:02,867 --> 00:29:05,286 Hello, I'm Tina Vath with Beatrice Police. 482 00:29:06,245 --> 00:29:10,875 “So, this was 2008, after we knew "The DNA ruled it out." 483 00:29:11,751 --> 00:29:16,422 {\an8}"We know there's another man committed this crime" 484 00:29:16,547 --> 00:29:19,926 {\an8}“And that's why we're talking to you "We have to know where to look." 485 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,303 "Well, you know..." 486 00:29:22,428 --> 00:29:26,557 {\an8}“Cliff Sheldon was very close "To everyone, if I remember right." 487 00:29:28,726 --> 00:29:30,478 Cliff Sheldon was one of those... 488 00:29:30,603 --> 00:29:33,439 “His name kept coming up In the investigation of the six 489 00:29:33,731 --> 00:29:36,275 "Name of the person you loved?" 490 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,902 (Clifford Lee Sheldon) 491 00:29:38,027 --> 00:29:40,488 {\an8}“Clifford was the only one Who knew I had a connection? 492 00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:43,032 {\an8}"It was Clifford" "He makes a lot of threats." 493 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,244 {\an8}"(Cliff Sheldon) "I thought he was involved." 494 00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:48,913 {\an8}- “Do you still think so?” - "I still believe in you" 495 00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:52,041 My first guess is that it was Cliff Sheldon. 496 00:29:55,086 --> 00:29:57,630 {\an8}- He came to our little group - "(James Dean)" 497 00:29:58,381 --> 00:29:59,924 {\an8}Thinking it was important 498 00:30:00,049 --> 00:30:02,969 And he took over Deb Sheldon's life. 499 00:30:04,971 --> 00:30:08,683 Sheldon was submissive So, I think that's why he chose her." 500 00:30:09,392 --> 00:30:11,352 She was doing what he wanted her to do 501 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,815 Whatever Cliff was saying. That's almost what happened 502 00:30:24,907 --> 00:30:26,784 "Right before we were all arrested." 503 00:30:26,909 --> 00:30:30,121 Thomas Winslow and Clifford Sheldon. 504 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:32,373 They got into some trouble 505 00:30:33,207 --> 00:30:35,084 "They went to rob an inn." 506 00:30:35,209 --> 00:30:37,795 They beat the man who worked as an accountant there 507 00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:40,464 To the point that he is now paralyzed 508 00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:42,967 “An incident alleged to be an attempted robbery Caused the paralysis of a hotel employee. 509 00:30:43,092 --> 00:30:45,594 I really think he was going to kill him that day 510 00:30:46,595 --> 00:30:48,180 Without any hesitation 511 00:30:53,561 --> 00:30:55,021 Just keep hitting him 512 00:30:55,771 --> 00:30:58,065 “There was no reason for that Just keep hitting him." 513 00:30:58,941 --> 00:31:02,445 I think if I tried to stop Cliff... I probably would have been beaten too 514 00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:06,782 “It felt impossible at the time That I could intervene.” 515 00:31:10,745 --> 00:31:13,956 {\an8}- “We were arrested on charges of assault and robbery.” - "(Thomas Winslow)" 516 00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:19,003 And by allowing ourselves To be put in that position 517 00:31:19,128 --> 00:31:21,881 That's what led to everything else I guess 518 00:31:22,757 --> 00:31:25,343 Then Clifford told the police 519 00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:29,930 “Well, I can tell you "Beatrice committed the crime." 520 00:31:30,931 --> 00:31:32,808 He snitched on his wife 521 00:31:33,851 --> 00:31:35,227 "(Deb Sheldon)" 522 00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:38,981 "If it will save him." 523 00:31:39,357 --> 00:31:41,275 “He probably would have told them That his mother was there 524 00:31:41,817 --> 00:31:43,527 Clifford Sheldon only cared about himself 525 00:31:43,652 --> 00:31:45,696 He didn't care about anyone else 526 00:31:48,741 --> 00:31:52,286 So, he was that kind of person 527 00:31:56,791 --> 00:31:59,210 In fact, Cliff Sheldon was acquitted. 528 00:31:59,794 --> 00:32:03,297 Because he said he was in the hospital The night of the crime 529 00:32:05,508 --> 00:32:09,470 {\an8}But he was still very attached With everyone in these six 530 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:12,348 So, we thought we wanted to talk to him again 531 00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:15,851 {\an8}"Were you involved? In assaulting or raping Mrs. Wilson? 532 00:32:15,976 --> 00:32:17,686 {\an8}- "No, I wasn't" “Well, and you were in the hospital?” 533 00:32:17,812 --> 00:32:19,188 {\an8}- "Yes" - "Okay" 534 00:32:19,313 --> 00:32:21,732 {\an8}“I think we're having a hard time "In finding those medical records." 535 00:32:21,857 --> 00:32:23,692 {\an8}- "I think so" - "Okay" 536 00:32:23,818 --> 00:32:25,736 “We are having a hard time finding it.” 537 00:32:25,861 --> 00:32:28,531 {\an8}“To be sure... let's give you an alibi Or we confirm your story" 538 00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:30,741 {\an8}- "Okay" - “I think I'll review...” 539 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:32,618 "What do you know at this point?" 540 00:32:32,743 --> 00:32:36,455 {\an8}"As I follow About this DNA test? 541 00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:39,625 "I can't believe it" 542 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:41,585 {\an8}- “Don't believe DNA?” - "No" 543 00:32:42,378 --> 00:32:45,423 "I mean... my wife has never lied to me." 544 00:32:46,173 --> 00:32:49,176 "She said she saw Joseph White." 545 00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:52,513 And Tom Winslow, without their clothes. 546 00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:54,306 “They assaulted this woman.” 547 00:32:54,849 --> 00:32:58,936 “Cliff Sheldon basically spoke "What he said in 1989" 548 00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:01,522 After we know that the six 549 00:33:02,231 --> 00:33:04,233 They had nothing to do with it 550 00:33:04,358 --> 00:33:05,734 {\an8}"That seemed very strange to me." 551 00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:09,738 {\an8}“What I would like to do is... if you would introduce us Voluntarily DNA sample" 552 00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:12,408 {\an8}- “Just a swab of your cheek” - "I don't mind that" 553 00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:14,452 {\an8}- "Okay" “Will you open your mouth?” 554 00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:19,999 “Okay, very good.” 555 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:30,426 “In the year 1985 "Beatrice police have questioned several people." 556 00:33:30,551 --> 00:33:33,387 “Samples of blood, saliva and hair were collected.” 557 00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:35,473 And it was analyzed 558 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:39,226 “There were 30 to 40 samples.” 559 00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:42,563 “From everyone who could "to be suspects" 560 00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:46,192 "So we made a list of suspects." 561 00:33:46,317 --> 00:33:47,860 We started investigating that list 562 00:33:49,195 --> 00:33:51,280 {\an8}"Either their blood type was (B)" 563 00:33:51,405 --> 00:33:54,033 {\an8}"Or that they had some connection to the case." 564 00:33:54,158 --> 00:33:55,951 "And we thought we should take another look at them." 565 00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,412 Suspect Randy Emery. 566 00:33:59,663 --> 00:34:02,541 “Randy Emery was a person "We focused on him right away." 567 00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:05,294 “He was in trouble on a previous sexual assault charge.” 568 00:34:05,794 --> 00:34:07,171 "He had a violent temper." 569 00:34:07,296 --> 00:34:10,257 “His family made comments "He might do something." 570 00:34:10,382 --> 00:34:12,176 "Like what happened to Mrs. Wilson." 571 00:34:12,301 --> 00:34:15,471 “So, it quickly became "Our first suspect as well." 572 00:34:17,515 --> 00:34:21,393 “(Anthony Flowers) actually was He knows Kathy Gonzalez. 573 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,729 “She lived in the same building "So, it would have looked familiar." 574 00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:26,273 “I think he went to prison Charged with sexual assault 575 00:34:26,649 --> 00:34:28,359 “That was a red flag for us.” 576 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:33,906 “Bruce Smith was another one "One of the most important suspects in 1985." 577 00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:38,035 “We knew he was in the area "The night of the crime" 578 00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:40,329 "Then we would find reports." 579 00:34:40,454 --> 00:34:42,873 "About being at a party and having his wallet stolen." 580 00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:46,460 “Then I found the wallet half a way away A block from Mrs. Wilson's apartment. 581 00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:51,924 Then Bruce Smith ran away. Out of town right away.” 582 00:34:53,008 --> 00:34:56,762 “They were all excluded In 1985 as suspects.” 583 00:34:58,264 --> 00:35:00,766 “They brought the samples back To the police station here." 584 00:35:00,891 --> 00:35:02,351 "And I stayed there" 585 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,898 “In 2008, we submitted the samples to the laboratory.” 586 00:35:08,023 --> 00:35:09,525 "For the actual DNA test." 587 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:15,281 "Results arrived" 588 00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:19,618 “It came one after the other over a period of a few weeks.” 589 00:35:19,743 --> 00:35:21,704 “One day someone was excluded.” 590 00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:23,414 "And we move on to the next person." 591 00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:26,750 "The DNA test ruled them out, too." 592 00:35:26,875 --> 00:35:29,920 Finally, the last two people Kanna (Clifford Sheldon) 593 00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:32,798 "And Bruce Alan Smith." 594 00:35:34,049 --> 00:35:37,177 I remember them calling me from the lab I was about to fall off the chair 595 00:35:37,303 --> 00:35:40,389 I said, are you sure? And he said, "I'm 100 percent sure." 596 00:35:40,514 --> 00:35:43,517 I said, are you really sure? And he said, "I'm 100 percent sure." 597 00:35:45,769 --> 00:35:47,354 "Sheldon has been disqualified." 598 00:35:48,022 --> 00:35:51,066 But the result came back exactly the same (Bruce Alan Smith) 599 00:35:51,191 --> 00:35:53,277 "(Bruce Smith)" 600 00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:02,870 “The whole DNA "At the crime scene it belongs to him." 601 00:36:04,747 --> 00:36:08,000 Then I found the police chief and told him I told him, I know who did it 602 00:36:08,125 --> 00:36:09,501 "Yes, that was a wonderful day." 603 00:36:09,627 --> 00:36:12,338 “Because we knew that the perpetrator "It was Bruce Smith." 604 00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:18,218 “We had 40 pieces of DNA "Save from the crime scene" 605 00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:19,762 "All of them have been checked." 606 00:36:19,887 --> 00:36:22,973 She came back with the test results and they said "It's Bruce Alan Smith." 607 00:36:29,188 --> 00:36:32,149 "R&S Pub" 608 00:36:32,274 --> 00:36:35,235 “When we reviewed the 1985 case file again.” 609 00:36:35,361 --> 00:36:38,864 “We knew he had come to town A few days before the crime 610 00:36:39,782 --> 00:36:43,577 “The night of February 5th "Bruce Smith had a few drinks at a local bar." 611 00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:45,120 "With a friend of his" 612 00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:46,622 "He was at the R&S bar." 613 00:36:48,916 --> 00:36:52,252 “Then they went to a party "15 km south of Beatrice." 614 00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:55,589 With two girls from the bar that night 615 00:36:57,633 --> 00:36:59,551 "Bruce Smith got kicked out of the party." 616 00:36:59,677 --> 00:37:02,346 Because he threatened to assault one of the two girls 617 00:37:02,471 --> 00:37:04,973 He was angry and drunk 618 00:37:05,099 --> 00:37:06,850 And tell everyone at the party 619 00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:09,561 That he would get a girl one way or another 620 00:37:12,648 --> 00:37:15,401 "Someone picked him up and returned to Beatrice." 621 00:37:16,610 --> 00:37:18,904 “And it was delivered in every sense of the word "Directly to the crime scene." 622 00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:25,869 “It was heat "Seven degrees below zero outside." 623 00:37:25,994 --> 00:37:27,746 "It was very cold" 624 00:37:28,706 --> 00:37:31,291 Mrs. Wilson's building... The door of the building where you live 625 00:37:31,417 --> 00:37:33,377 The first door was open 626 00:37:33,502 --> 00:37:35,546 "Bruce Smith is going in that night." 627 00:37:43,303 --> 00:37:46,557 “In the early morning hours the next day "A few blocks away." 628 00:37:46,682 --> 00:37:49,935 “A nearby store employee informed me "About someone stealing potato chips." 629 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:53,814 I described this person He looks like Bruce Smith. 630 00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:56,567 I noticed scratches On his upper and lower arm 631 00:37:56,692 --> 00:37:58,235 There was blood on his arm 632 00:38:00,279 --> 00:38:02,698 Then Bruce Smith took a bus. 633 00:38:02,823 --> 00:38:04,742 "He headed back to Oklahoma." 634 00:38:10,122 --> 00:38:12,916 The police station...they really went To Oklahoma City 635 00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:14,835 {\an8}Well, we took a trip to Oklahoma. 636 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,464 {\an8}- "Bill Fitzgerald, Lieutenant" - I think 10 days after the crime occurred 637 00:38:19,131 --> 00:38:21,300 “After 10 or 11 days before...” 638 00:38:21,925 --> 00:38:25,262 “That we can go And try to communicate with him.” 639 00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:28,557 "They managed to get his blood." 640 00:38:28,682 --> 00:38:32,770 They had him examined in Oklahoma City. In their forensic laboratory 641 00:38:33,437 --> 00:38:36,648 “They were told it was his blood type "B was comprehensive" 642 00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:38,901 “And they were searching About blood type B, not universal. 643 00:38:39,026 --> 00:38:40,444 "And they excluded him" 644 00:38:40,569 --> 00:38:43,572 And there it took a bad turn 645 00:38:44,198 --> 00:38:46,575 “They spent a total of 52 years in prison.” 646 00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,285 "For crimes they did not commit" 647 00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:52,164 {\an8}"The common denominator, chemical Oklahoma City Police Department, Joyce Gilchrist. 648 00:38:52,289 --> 00:38:54,500 {\an8}Joyce Gilchrist testified "I examined the evidence." 649 00:38:54,625 --> 00:38:57,252 {\an8}"In thousands of cases During her 20-year career, 650 00:38:57,377 --> 00:38:59,546 “As a chemist in a police station "Oklahoma City" 651 00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:02,382 Now, she finds herself under the microscope 652 00:39:02,508 --> 00:39:05,219 And every case I worked on Accountable 653 00:39:06,887 --> 00:39:11,850 In 1989, Joyce Gilchrist She was the one who conducted the serology test 654 00:39:13,393 --> 00:39:16,605 “I don't know if she missed the tests Or did you intend to? 655 00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:19,942 “Or if it was the whole thing "Just a typo." 656 00:39:20,776 --> 00:39:23,237 "You have a very famous nickname." 657 00:39:23,362 --> 00:39:26,156 Especially among crime police investigators 658 00:39:26,281 --> 00:39:28,951 -They call me "black magic" - Why? 659 00:39:29,076 --> 00:39:31,078 I seem to be able to do things with evidence 660 00:39:31,203 --> 00:39:33,121 No one else can do it 661 00:39:34,915 --> 00:39:37,251 Gilchrist was fired in 2001. 662 00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:39,545 {\an8}"Following an investigation Conducted by the FBI 663 00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:43,215 There were many mistakes In her examination 664 00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:47,719 Joyce Gilchrist testified. to execute at least 12 prisoners.” 665 00:39:48,929 --> 00:39:51,682 "Everything I did, I collected evidence." 666 00:39:51,807 --> 00:39:56,019 "And storing, classifying and analyzing them... "It's all wrong." 667 00:39:56,144 --> 00:39:58,856 Using technology Which was available to us at that time 668 00:39:58,981 --> 00:40:00,691 You did the best job possible 669 00:40:00,816 --> 00:40:03,068 “I never lied to anyone "about anything" 670 00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:06,280 “Former police chemist "Gilchrist dies in Texas." 671 00:40:06,989 --> 00:40:11,785 "She was never accused of any crime." 672 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:14,329 "Beatrice Police Station" 673 00:40:19,459 --> 00:40:23,422 “Over the years, it has been a center "Beatrice Police is ashamed." 674 00:40:23,547 --> 00:40:26,341 Because this issue has not been resolved 675 00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:31,013 While in reality Their police work was excellent in the case 676 00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:32,639 They knew the perpetrator 677 00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:35,517 “But they were sidetracked "Because of Gilchrist." 678 00:40:36,977 --> 00:40:40,397 “One of the things I regret I didn't communicate... 679 00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:42,733 {\an8}- "Bill Fitzgerald, Lieutenant" - With Bruce Alan Smith there 680 00:40:42,858 --> 00:40:44,526 {\an8}And I interrogate him 681 00:40:45,068 --> 00:40:49,072 Of course you trust the information Which you receive from the laboratory 682 00:40:49,197 --> 00:40:51,867 I had no reason not to trust her 683 00:40:52,868 --> 00:40:56,246 So, there was no reason He invites us to come back and conduct another examination of the samples 684 00:40:58,165 --> 00:41:01,460 “But you keep it for that reason "In case something comes up later." 685 00:41:01,585 --> 00:41:05,964 As happened in this case You have the evidence in your possession 686 00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:08,091 In fact, if we hadn't kept it 687 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:11,803 We probably wouldn't have proven it That Bruce Alan Smith was there 688 00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:17,559 "Lincoln, Nebraska" 689 00:41:18,143 --> 00:41:20,896 “So, when they came back They said that Bruce Alan Smith was the perpetrator. 690 00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:24,358 I said, okay, let's arrest him as quickly as possible 691 00:41:26,652 --> 00:41:29,154 Being a task force, we came together and thought 692 00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:31,156 We'll probably get one chance To get rid of this man 693 00:41:31,281 --> 00:41:33,408 So, who will question him? Who will be the best at this? 694 00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:35,160 And I said of course, me, me, me 695 00:41:35,577 --> 00:41:39,498 "(Beatrice)" 696 00:41:39,915 --> 00:41:42,751 “We thought it was likely "Still in the Oklahoma City area." 697 00:41:42,876 --> 00:41:46,588 I went there and checked his criminal record I spoke to his family 698 00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:49,800 We learned that his grandmother lived In that same building 699 00:41:49,925 --> 00:41:51,343 Where Helen Wilson lived? 700 00:41:51,468 --> 00:41:53,428 “Bruce had a grandmother She lives at 212 North Sixth Street. 701 00:41:54,054 --> 00:41:57,182 “He spent a long time With his grandmother while he was growing up when he was young. 702 00:41:57,307 --> 00:42:00,352 He hated his grandmother Because she was very strict with him 703 00:42:00,769 --> 00:42:03,814 “His family described him "He's lost and introverted." 704 00:42:03,939 --> 00:42:05,899 "He would disappear for months." 705 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,026 No one in his family knows his whereabouts 706 00:42:08,151 --> 00:42:09,736 Then it suddenly reappears 707 00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:12,489 {\an8}- "Ruthie Smith, twin of Bruce Alan Smith" "Bruce was a loner." 708 00:42:12,906 --> 00:42:15,909 {\an8}"And I have no idea "What prompted him to do this?" 709 00:42:16,284 --> 00:42:18,537 "But I don't rule out that he did." 710 00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:20,872 {\an8}- "Candy Christian, Bruce's sister" “Bruce was a water baby.” 711 00:42:20,998 --> 00:42:23,959 {\an8}"When he was born He underwent surgery on his brain.” 712 00:42:24,084 --> 00:42:25,961 “My mother said there was water in his brain.” 713 00:42:28,797 --> 00:42:32,509 “His criminal history was extensive of arrests due to drunkenness and violating the law.” 714 00:42:32,634 --> 00:42:34,761 "And two cases for breaking into my house." 715 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:36,555 "There was rape" 716 00:42:37,556 --> 00:42:40,017 'He spent some time in prison' 717 00:42:40,142 --> 00:42:43,770 Arrest records stated He was infected with AIDS 718 00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:46,857 “I contacted the Vital Records Office In the state of Oklahoma 719 00:42:46,982 --> 00:42:49,526 They told me he was dead 720 00:42:49,651 --> 00:42:53,697 "Death certificate, Bruce Alan Smith." 721 00:42:53,822 --> 00:42:56,450 He died seven years after committing the crime 722 00:42:58,869 --> 00:43:00,328 We were just devastated 723 00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:04,166 We would never have been able to From confronting him with DNA evidence 724 00:43:04,291 --> 00:43:09,296 And hold Bruce Alan Smith responsible For the murder and assault of Helen Wilson 725 00:43:10,088 --> 00:43:15,302 (Lincoln Journal Star) Identifying Wilson's killer. 726 00:43:15,469 --> 00:43:19,556 We arrived decisively Until he fought Helen Wilson, alone 727 00:43:19,681 --> 00:43:21,099 He is Bruce Alan Smith. 728 00:43:21,725 --> 00:43:25,937 In addition to this, none of the six convicted In this case it has no relevance 729 00:43:26,063 --> 00:43:28,315 With Bruce Smith or this crime 730 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:32,861 20 years ago, in a wave of enthusiasm To restore safety to society again 731 00:43:32,986 --> 00:43:35,822 Some individuals in law enforcement They bullied six innocent people 732 00:43:36,323 --> 00:43:38,450 To confess to crimes they did not commit 733 00:43:40,619 --> 00:43:42,370 “So, we will take the next steps.” 734 00:43:43,413 --> 00:43:47,542 "I'll ask the Nebraska Board of Pardons." To offer a full pardon.” 735 00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:49,961 About the six people who were wrongly convicted in this case." 736 00:43:59,471 --> 00:44:02,516 {\an8}I have no doubt of the truth 737 00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:04,810 {\an8}- "Dave Heineman, Governor of Nebraska" - A full pardon has become obligatory 738 00:44:05,227 --> 00:44:07,312 In fact, we must act today 739 00:44:07,729 --> 00:44:11,149 There is no reason for us to hold a hearing Or provide additional evidence 740 00:44:11,274 --> 00:44:16,071 I think the evidence is overwhelming and conclusive 741 00:44:16,446 --> 00:44:19,282 Pardon granted, congratulations to you all 742 00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:31,002 “For 20 years, they were called murderers.” 743 00:44:31,128 --> 00:44:33,213 “Today, they were acquitted of their convictions.” 744 00:44:33,338 --> 00:44:35,674 I'm glad this is over It should have happened a long time ago 745 00:44:35,799 --> 00:44:37,926 “It was a long time in prison For some of them 746 00:44:38,051 --> 00:44:41,054 On January 29, I would have been exactly 19 years old 747 00:44:52,357 --> 00:44:54,568 When we found out that Bruce Alan Smith... 748 00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:57,904 It was actually He is the person who assaulted my grandmother 749 00:44:59,197 --> 00:45:03,702 Then at the same time We also knew he was dead... 750 00:45:05,537 --> 00:45:09,791 It was like being deprived of family The chance to know the truth 751 00:45:13,753 --> 00:45:17,674 “I believe deep in my heart "Bruce Alan Smith didn't kill my grandmother." 752 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,053 He did terrible things to her, but he didn't kill her 753 00:45:29,311 --> 00:45:32,355 We know that Bruce Alan Smith "He was there because we found his blood." 754 00:45:33,023 --> 00:45:34,608 "Someone must have let him in." 755 00:45:35,984 --> 00:45:38,945 My grandmother always locked the door Close it with chain 756 00:45:39,571 --> 00:45:42,574 And if you come to the door and knock on it She was always asking who was the guy 757 00:45:43,867 --> 00:45:46,703 She wouldn't let anyone in who she didn't know 758 00:45:51,291 --> 00:45:52,959 "Our family theory is next." 759 00:45:53,835 --> 00:45:55,420 “These people were celebrating.” 760 00:45:55,545 --> 00:45:58,256 “They were drunk, they were high "Whatever they did." 761 00:45:58,381 --> 00:46:00,342 Debra Sheldon said. "We need money" 762 00:46:00,467 --> 00:46:02,260 “I think I know Where can we get it from? 763 00:46:02,844 --> 00:46:04,763 "They broke into my grandmother's apartment." 764 00:46:04,888 --> 00:46:06,806 "Or they tricked her into opening the door." 765 00:46:09,643 --> 00:46:11,186 "And these people..." 766 00:46:11,311 --> 00:46:13,438 “These people did terrible things to her.” 767 00:46:13,563 --> 00:46:16,066 In the end, we believe that my grandmother died then 768 00:46:21,738 --> 00:46:24,115 “At 11:50, my aunt called.” 769 00:46:24,241 --> 00:46:26,284 "After just two rings, the phone went silent." 770 00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:29,537 So, we know that someone He was at her apartment at 11:50 771 00:46:31,122 --> 00:46:34,251 “We also think they actually drank coffee.” 772 00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:37,879 They sat at my grandmother's dining table 773 00:46:38,255 --> 00:46:39,839 And they drank coffee 774 00:46:39,965 --> 00:46:42,550 While my grandmother was fighting to stay alive 775 00:46:43,843 --> 00:46:46,554 “Why do we feel this way? Because there were six cups of coffee." 776 00:46:48,181 --> 00:46:51,434 “We know those cups were not on the table "Or in the tub the night before." 777 00:46:54,854 --> 00:46:56,231 "We don't really know" 778 00:46:56,356 --> 00:46:58,817 “Whether they are there When Bruce came or not? 779 00:46:59,609 --> 00:47:02,570 "My theory is... "We think they were gone by then." 780 00:47:03,113 --> 00:47:04,489 They were there at midnight 781 00:47:06,074 --> 00:47:07,701 He arrived at three o'clock 782 00:47:07,826 --> 00:47:09,869 “They said he was drunk that night.” 783 00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:11,830 "He came..." 784 00:47:12,372 --> 00:47:14,708 "The door was open. He entered the apartment." 785 00:47:16,835 --> 00:47:20,130 “He went into that building to get warm He went in there and...” 786 00:47:23,550 --> 00:47:24,926 It happened 787 00:47:26,011 --> 00:47:28,179 "He had just been rejected by a girl." 788 00:47:28,305 --> 00:47:30,807 "He was sexually frustrated." 789 00:47:31,891 --> 00:47:33,601 "He entered the apartment" 790 00:47:33,727 --> 00:47:36,604 "And he found an old woman on the ground." 791 00:47:37,147 --> 00:47:39,274 He took advantage of that situation 792 00:47:40,191 --> 00:47:41,818 This is what we think happened 793 00:47:47,657 --> 00:47:49,117 "It's frustrating" 794 00:47:49,617 --> 00:47:52,704 Frustrating that people Unable to see the whole picture 795 00:47:56,708 --> 00:48:01,588 DNA doesn't have to answer About all the questions 796 00:48:07,677 --> 00:48:11,639 "Community theatre" 797 00:48:12,098 --> 00:48:13,641 “We will conduct a round by turns.” 798 00:48:13,767 --> 00:48:16,269 "Where you read one by one" 799 00:48:16,394 --> 00:48:18,271 "So, we'll start with scene 22." 800 00:48:19,522 --> 00:48:22,317 {\an8}- “Scene 22, DNA exoneration” - "Josh Erickson, who plays Wyatt." 801 00:48:23,068 --> 00:48:26,404 “Only DNA proves they did not rape her "It does not prove that they were not there." 802 00:48:26,529 --> 00:48:29,574 “Five of them confessed They pleaded guilty in court.” 803 00:48:29,699 --> 00:48:33,078 {\an8}“These defendants were all described How did they participate in the crime? 804 00:48:33,203 --> 00:48:37,248 {\an8}“I can tell you now Witnesses are the least reliable source of testimony.” 805 00:48:37,374 --> 00:48:39,459 {\an8}- “Memory is fickle, we all know that.” - "Walter McDowell, as James Dean" 806 00:48:39,959 --> 00:48:43,004 {\an8}- Does anyone have any reaction or thoughts? - (Cecilia Rubino, stage manager) 807 00:48:43,129 --> 00:48:45,673 {\an8}I had difficulty trying to comprehend... 808 00:48:45,799 --> 00:48:47,675 {\an8}- Burt Searcy's way of thinking - "Ashley Hothan, actress" 809 00:48:47,801 --> 00:48:51,012 {\an8}And what he really thought he was doing 810 00:48:51,137 --> 00:48:52,889 There are people in this community 811 00:48:53,014 --> 00:48:56,059 They have strong feelings about Burt Cersei. 812 00:48:56,184 --> 00:48:59,938 There are people who really refuse Enter this field of work 813 00:49:00,063 --> 00:49:03,817 And saying, "If I die, and someone comes into that business," 814 00:49:03,942 --> 00:49:06,653 “And he comes to my funeral, I will come back to haunt him.” 815 00:49:06,778 --> 00:49:10,949 They really do, there are people In the community they expressed... 816 00:49:11,074 --> 00:49:13,660 {\an8}When I asked my family "Are you a good man?" 817 00:49:13,785 --> 00:49:16,704 {\an8}- "Grant Bennett, as Burt Searcy" - I said, No, I'm not a good man for this 818 00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:19,457 But as a character 819 00:49:20,458 --> 00:49:23,670 You have to sympathize with any character 820 00:49:24,295 --> 00:49:26,089 Everyone is a hero in their own story 821 00:49:26,589 --> 00:49:30,009 {\an8}“I asked this before, I asked If Burt Searcy ever apologized... 822 00:49:30,677 --> 00:49:34,013 - That's a good question But Burt Searcy lived 20 years 823 00:49:34,139 --> 00:49:37,892 He believes he has solved that case Which no one else could solve 824 00:49:38,017 --> 00:49:39,727 "I got myself into this" 825 00:49:39,853 --> 00:49:43,690 “So, I'm the good guy because I succeeded.” 826 00:49:43,815 --> 00:49:46,401 “No one else has done it "And then all this happens." 827 00:49:46,526 --> 00:49:49,737 Then he just says, okay 828 00:49:49,863 --> 00:49:53,867 I think that's something It needs to be explored 829 00:49:53,992 --> 00:49:55,827 There is no accountability, it is... 830 00:49:56,494 --> 00:49:58,455 It is common for many In centers of power 831 00:49:58,580 --> 00:50:00,415 They never want to admit they are wrong 832 00:50:04,961 --> 00:50:07,672 "flower shop" 833 00:50:11,176 --> 00:50:12,969 - Hello, how are you? - Hello 834 00:50:13,094 --> 00:50:16,347 Grant Bennett, I'm playing Burt. - Yes, Grant, how are you? 835 00:50:16,973 --> 00:50:22,187 So, Grant, what made you... Want to play this stupid role? 836 00:50:22,937 --> 00:50:25,148 -I think I got lucky - Did you get lucky? 837 00:50:25,273 --> 00:50:27,817 I got lucky, I... - Well, I'm glad you think so 838 00:50:27,942 --> 00:50:30,111 I had a long dialogue So, it's clearly an important role 839 00:50:30,236 --> 00:50:31,988 Yes, you might have a long dialogue 840 00:50:32,113 --> 00:50:35,492 I am not trying to imitate you at all 841 00:50:35,617 --> 00:50:37,827 I don't know if you can imitate me 842 00:50:37,952 --> 00:50:41,456 - Because I am a unique person - Yes, yes 843 00:50:41,748 --> 00:50:44,042 Just the way you talk... 844 00:50:44,167 --> 00:50:47,712 I was trying to perfect the way you spoke 845 00:50:48,463 --> 00:50:51,841 This is Burt Searcy... It's your last dialogue in the play 846 00:50:51,966 --> 00:50:54,636 It's not the last line But it's the last thing you say 847 00:50:54,761 --> 00:50:56,763 “DNA does not answer all the questions.” 848 00:50:56,888 --> 00:50:59,140 “Not everything came together "And not everything was secured." 849 00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:00,683 "Many things were not so" 850 00:51:00,975 --> 00:51:03,645 “I know the facts, I solved the case "And I dealt with these people." 851 00:51:04,103 --> 00:51:05,772 “I have no doubt that they are guilty.” 852 00:51:06,898 --> 00:51:08,274 Good job 853 00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:10,652 -It's your words, so... - Good job 854 00:51:10,777 --> 00:51:14,239 This is the first time In which I play the role of a real person 855 00:51:14,364 --> 00:51:18,034 It's a small town I mean, I can get on stage 856 00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,745 And I just hope I don't frankly spoil the play 857 00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:22,664 You know you'll be a clown before you're done... 858 00:51:22,789 --> 00:51:25,583 - Yes - Because I became the fool in the end 859 00:51:32,257 --> 00:51:36,511 “I knew through DNA And I knew through talking and everything.” 860 00:51:36,636 --> 00:51:38,638 That something was going to happen 861 00:51:39,347 --> 00:51:43,726 I received papers stating that I am being prosecuted 862 00:51:46,813 --> 00:51:50,275 I think they all owe us something They destroyed the lives of many 863 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,569 Yes, the compensation will definitely be good 864 00:51:52,694 --> 00:51:56,155 {\an8}"They submitted statements "Some of Beatrice's accusers." 865 00:51:56,281 --> 00:51:59,242 {\an8}I was told they would make me The first woman to face the death penalty 866 00:51:59,367 --> 00:52:04,372 They tried to show that I had misled them I taught them what to say 867 00:52:04,497 --> 00:52:06,416 “You asked misleading questions.” 868 00:52:06,541 --> 00:52:09,127 “And if they are brainwashed and accused of doing so.” 869 00:52:09,252 --> 00:52:11,671 “You were very good at what you did.” 870 00:52:11,796 --> 00:52:14,424 And I'm really good, but I'm not that good 871 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,137 {\an8}“The only person who might tell you "Actually, it's Debbie Sheldon." 872 00:52:20,305 --> 00:52:23,474 {\an8}"I think Debbie knows what Debbie knows." 873 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,352 {\an8}"And I think Debbie is very honest." 874 00:52:26,853 --> 00:52:28,271 That lady... 875 00:52:29,522 --> 00:52:30,982 She stuck to her guns 876 00:52:31,733 --> 00:52:34,611 She stuck to her guns, consistently 877 00:52:34,902 --> 00:52:37,739 I think she felt really bad About what was happening 878 00:52:42,118 --> 00:52:44,787 {\an8}Interview with Cliff and Deb Sheldon "In their house" 879 00:52:44,912 --> 00:52:48,207 "The date is October 29, 2009" 880 00:52:50,668 --> 00:52:53,588 “So you're still saying now You were there? 881 00:52:53,713 --> 00:52:55,089 "Yes" 882 00:52:56,132 --> 00:52:58,426 “So, they advise me to lie.” 883 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,095 “And to say we weren't there To take the money 884 00:53:01,220 --> 00:53:02,597 "Who says that?" 885 00:53:03,514 --> 00:53:05,725 "All other defendants" 886 00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:07,977 “They told me, ‘Why don’t you lie? To take the money?" 887 00:53:09,604 --> 00:53:11,189 "And I said I wouldn't" 888 00:53:12,106 --> 00:53:14,484 “I need money, yes, but...” 889 00:53:14,609 --> 00:53:16,027 “Why lie?” 890 00:53:23,701 --> 00:53:26,829 Translated by United Translation Company Amman - Jordan