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This program contains
material of a disturbing nature.
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Discretion is recommended.
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{\an8}I have something to ask you.
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Almost twenty years have passed since the crime
and you've never officially talked about this,
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�why do you want to do it now?
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I kept it for a long time
because I didn't want to lose my life.
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Although Cassie had lost hers.
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So I want the audience to understand
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what I should do
because it is the truth.
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Is there a topic that you consider prohibited?
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No.
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{\an8}SHOUT:
MURDER IN REAL LIFE
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The jury received the instructions
and the final arguments began.
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{\an8}CLOSING ARGUMENTS
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{\an8}Prosecutor Mark Heideman
He says the state has presented its case
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The lawyers
They told the jury what to do
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{\an8}In general,
The victims' families would say...
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{\an8}Detective, Idaho State Police
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{\an8}...that justice will not permit them
do that again with someone.
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It was such a heinous and serious crime.
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who deserved the harshest punishment.
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{\an8}Torey Adamcik keeps counting
all kinds of stories...
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{\an8}Prosecutor, Bannock County
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{\an8}...to the police and their parents.
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But the defense
He says the evidence doesn't add up.
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Leave passions and prejudices aside
that we all had when we saw that video
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and look further.
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{\an8}22 SEPTEMBER 2006
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Brian was physically bigger
and was older,
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{\an8}it was clear
better able to commit the crime...
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{\an8}Torey lawyer
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...and we focus on that.
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{\an8}Brian had the idea to hurt people...
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{\an8}Torey Adamcik's mother
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{\an8}...because he wrote it in R�o Negro...
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I put the gun to his head
and pulled the trigger.
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...and Torey
They certainly led to that.
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{\an8}I think this is the perfect ending
It would be a shooting at a school.
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{\an8}It would be a perfect ending.
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{\an8}Yes, it's true.
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{\an8}Brian says Torey wrote that story
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{\an8}and dictated it to him.
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{\an8}BLACK RIVER
Of Silence
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{\an8}I told Torey
that Brian wasn't good for him.
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{\an8}Classmate
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{\an8}We should do this, don't you think?
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The problem was
that we had interviewed a lot of people,
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and the vast majority said Torey
He was the dominant person in that relationship.
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{\an8}We are drawing up our kill list.
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{\an8}When I saw the whole tape for the first time
and I saw the interactions...
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{\an8}Classmate
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{\an8}...I thought Torey was the leader
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{\an8}because Brian went crazy
and Torey was calmer
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{\an8}and he said, “Shut your mouth.”
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{\an8}Shut up, we have to organize ourselves.
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{\an8}22 SEPTEMBER 2006
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{\an8}I know Brian and I know Torey.
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{\an8}From my perspective...
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{\an8}Classmate
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{\an8}...Torey turned against Brian's dark side.
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Let's talk about the person
that really matters: Cassie Stoddart.
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{\an8}BRIAN DRAPER VERDICT
APRIL 17, 2007
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{\an8}Following Judge McDermott's announcement
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that there was a verdict,
People broke into the court
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Brian Draper came in for the last time
and sat down with his defense
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{\an8}I've been doing this for 30 years.
It's the most emotional case I've ever had.
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{\an8}Brian's Public Defender
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{\an8}I approached Brian and his family.
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He was young,
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I was a father of young people at the time,
and the trial was difficult.
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Is Brian Lee Draper guilty or innocent?
of premeditated murder?
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Guilty.
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I think at that very moment
he realised
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{\an8}of the pain he had caused everyone.
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{\an8}Brian's mother
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{\an8}Guilty, that's what we needed. Thank you.
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{\an8}Cassie's mother
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Draper guilty
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{\an8}Well done. One less, the other missing.
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{\an8}Cassie's grandfather
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Let's go.
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{\an8}TOREY'S VERDICT
JUNE 8, 2007
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{\an8}It was a very emotional day
to the family of Torey Adamcik.
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I thought the verdict
It would take several days.
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Honestly,
I believed the jury at least
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would charge him with first-degree murder
and hopefully the conspiracy too.
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The jury took seven and a half hours
when making your decision.
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Is Torey Michael Adamcik guilty?
or innocent of first degree murder?
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The jury answered: "Guilty."
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The prosecutor said: 'When you go to sleep
and there is no snow on the ground
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and you wake up in the morning and there's snow,
You know it snowed
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The two boys were there,
"They were both guilty."
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When the decision was read out,
Adamcik's sister cried
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and the Stoddart family showed relief.
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We have the justice Cassie deserves.
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I feel sorry for the other families...
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STODDART CASE
ADAMCIK GUILTY
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...but I think justice has been done.
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When the judge
He said he would condemn them together,
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I knew I would give them the same punishment.
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Dave told us he was going to use it
for those children as an example
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and that we must prepare for it.
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{\an8}RIGHT
DISTRICT
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{\an8}Judgement
AUGUST 24, 2007
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Brian eventually confessed his involvement
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and took the detectives to the evidence.
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They promised us they would help him
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as a result,
and we keep waiting.
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{\an8}It looked like they might have a chance
paroled in 30 years.
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{\an8}Brian's father
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But thirty years is a long time.
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I thought, "It seems extreme,
but an appeal will be taken
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And we'll see where this goes."
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- He was a loving and affectionate boy.
- An incredible boy.
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There was a list. They weren't ready yet.
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Victims
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If they hadn't been caught,
they would have continued.
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And people were very worried
for what the judge's decision would be.
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The nerves were palpable.
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Both were convicted
for first-degree murder.
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Cassie was brutally stabbed
many times.
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They were dressed up in masks
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in the dark,
which made it even more terrifying for her.
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They were both excited
with the murder.
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It was a terrible and cold-blooded act.
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And he added: 'Life imprisonment
without parole.”
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A life sentence
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without the possibility of parole.
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I remember the moment clearly.
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Just...
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It just devastated me.”
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Guys, I'm sorry.
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Like I said, you're children,
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but I have no doubt about it
that if they were released,
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They would kill again.
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Life imprisonment without parole
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It was incomprehensible.
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When they finally pronounced the verdict,
I felt immensely relieved.
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And I knew it was the right thing to do.
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This condemnation is absolutely necessary
for people like Brian and Torey.
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I don't know if Torey Adamcik
is the most evil, or Brian Draper,
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but both
They were involved in the murder.
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Both deserved the same punishment,
and that's what they got.
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{\an8}Judge: Teenagers
“They would kill again” if they came out
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{\an8}Everything was very moving.
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{\an8}The impact on the family was enormous.
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{\an8}Journalist, Idaho
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We will always have an empty space
in the heart
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We can't hug her. We can't kiss her.
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I left this world terrified.
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It was a brutal and vicious crime.
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Friends don't kill friends.
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They formed our family
lived in hell
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and now they will know what hell is like.
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No one in their right mind
wants to see a teenager
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sentenced to life imprisonment
without parole.
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But they tried to become famous by killing
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and they have made it explicitly clear
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that they planned to kill many people.
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As a judge you take them out of the game.
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I was hardly responsible enough,
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according to our laws,
even have a driver's license.
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Life imprisonment without parole
At 16, it's a cruel thing.
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That's my opinion as a mother.
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We all left on foot.
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I'll never forget it.
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I got out of there, and the sky...
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It flashed, it thundered.
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Tree.
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It was the fitting end to that day.
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Even heaven wanted me dead.
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After the process,
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my daughter and I went
to a new restaurant in town.
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FOOD AND DRINKS
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And when we walked in, I felt something.
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People talked, pointed and looked,
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but the waitress came over and said:
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"I want to tell you
that I'm related to Cassie."
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And I just thought, "Please, God,
Don't do this in front of my daughter.
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If you want to destroy me,
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"It's okay, but not in front of my daughter."
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And she...
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She said, “I just want to thank you.”
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for kindness and respect
that you showed my family.”
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But I know the pain my family caused him.
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And his kindness to us
It came unexpectedly,
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but beautiful.
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I fought to survive.
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I don't know if it was for one year or two
that I tried to work,
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that I was trying to do things.
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And one day I left.
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I didn't even sell my stuff.
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Pocatello
UNIVERSITY
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He literally gave everything away.
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I lost over a million
only in real estate.
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I wanted to give away everything I could
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{\an8}2025
18 YEARS LATER
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Brian and I came here
skateboarding.
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{\an8}We hung out here
and we enjoyed life as children.
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{\an8}Classmate
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It was very surreal that something like that was so bad
could come out of nowhere.
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I wish things hadn't been like this.
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I feel like I would like to sit down
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{\an8}and being able to look Brian in the eye
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{\an8}and tell him:
"I'm still here and you haven't broken me."
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But you have to know
that you took away a part of my life.”
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{\an8}STATE CORRECTIONAL
FROM IDAHO
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{\an8}Being a father means
always support your children,
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always support them.
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And as incredible as it may seem,
That won't change if your son goes to prison.
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Even for murder.
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My son came here
just after your 18th birthday
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and has been here,
in the same institution ever since.
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Initially there were some problems
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with people who were violent towards him
because of his crime.
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A young woman was involved.
The prisoners don't like that.
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The pain that crime caused
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There is no excuse or explanation for it.
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Just misery.
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Violence,
and in particular violence with a weapon...
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If you brandish a weapon, you are more powerful
than everything that lies ahead.
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Everyone understands violence,
they feel it and fear it.
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{\an8}BRIAN DRAPER
35 YEARS
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At school it didn't matter what I did
it also didn't affect the people around me.
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I felt like I was disappearing.
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{\an8} How can I influence people?
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{\an8}in a sense
that is tangible and audible?
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{\an8}By force.
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{\an8}To those who are weak like me
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I can attack them like a child
without using words.
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As you grow,
I had a pretty normal childhood.
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I played hide and seek with my friends.
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We did everyday things.
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As a child I was always empathetic and emotional,
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but it wasn't connected to that.
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I didn't understand why it was
the world around me was so intense.
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That scared me
He chased me and tortured me.
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I dreamed of becoming
into an incredible skater.
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I wanted to feel important and special.
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As I grew, that became contaminated,
It twisted and became something terrible.
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Two armed masked men
and dressed in black
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they started shooting at them
for a minimum of 18 people.
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COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL
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{\an8}That shooting opened a path
for kids like me to follow.
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{\an8}I thought I could imitate those shooters.
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I wanted them to think of Columbine when they saw me
and that they were afraid of me.
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I logged in and chatted constantly.
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with people who adored those boys,
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which I thought were great.
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I watched all his home videos.
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I saw those things every day.
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And that's how I identified myself.
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I bought a raincoat
and he wore it like it was a t-shirt.
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Villains are great in movies.
If you are one in real life, you will be great.
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At school all the girls would love me
and I could finally have a girlfriend.
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That's what I thought.
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They have no idea what it is
waking up every day
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and knowing that you took someone's life
and you can't undo it.
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When I was 16 years old,
I didn't know what it meant to do something like that.
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And I think that's part of me
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I thought it would all work out in the end
and they would go back to school.
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And over time, as I get older here,
I realized how stupid that was.
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{\an8}CLASS
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The library is up there.
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{\an8}It reminds me of Torey and Brian
They were sitting there...
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{\an8}Classmate
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{\an8}...and they recorded that video
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before she killed Cassie.
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It's hard for me
because she was very close to Torey.
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I often wonder
If I'm the only one trapped in the past,
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with everything that happened.
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{\an8}SEPTEMBER 21, 2006
1 DAY BEFORE CASSIE'S MURDER
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{\an8}The day before the murder,
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{\an8}Torey asked me in a hallway
from Pocatello High School
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{\an8}to have a sleepover with Cassie.
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There would be no adults.
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We would just become that
Cassie, me, Torey and Brian.
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I had plans with my boyfriend and his parents
to go to a basketball game.
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Who knows what would have happened
if he had spent that night with Cassie.
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The next day Torey was
to my boyfriend's parents' house
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and I just remember I was eating
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with my boyfriend, his parents
and Torey by my side.
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He acted as if nothing had happened,
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and that was before it was known
that she had died.
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Torey was like any teenager.
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There were no warning signs.
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And if it had been,
I wish I had seen them because I didn't.
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Hi, do you have a free phone call from...
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Torey Adamcik.
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...a resident of the facility
Idaho Maximum safety.
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TORY ADAMCIK
35 YEARS
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After the crime was committed,
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I couldn't face it emotionally.
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In short, he was a worthless person.
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The first thing I did after the crime
They were lied to about it.
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He admitted everything he had done,
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Besides stabbing Cassie,
because I couldn't admit it.
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So I kept lying
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and made everything worse with the lie,
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instead of taking responsibility
for what he had done.
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I was still too cowardly to admit it
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to my parents or my lawyers.
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And it took me a while to wake up to that,
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but when I did it I thought:
"And what should I do now?"
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It's liberating because I feel
I can talk about everything now.
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Brian and I weren't the same,
but we both had our reasons
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to hate something that happened.
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I stopped believing in God.
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One day I will die
and life has no meaning.
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When nothing matters,
Morality has no purpose.
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You probably believe in God too.
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{\an8}When I was in seventh grade,
I realized it
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people don't believe that
in Santa Claus, vampires or werewolves.
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Because I'm a 16 year old boy,
I was drunk on bad ideas.
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I was obsessed with death
because I had no answer for her.
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Brian and I convinced each other
to do it,
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and that's how we got there.
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I wanted a different life for myself,
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but at that moment,
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{\an8}I didn't have the experience or the wisdom
to see something of that.
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I was lost in a heterosexual world.
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{\an8}I don't know if he was just starting to realize it
or if he had already realized it.
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{\an8}I don't know when he did it, but he's gay.
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And he had a lot of trouble with that.
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All my friends were straight,
as well as all the relatives I know.
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I didn't know anyone at all
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not even a distant friend
of the family,
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that he was openly homosexual.
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When Torey told me:
we were in prison.
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He told me:
“I've wanted to tell you this for years, Mom.
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"I never knew how to tell you."
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And that big lie
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that had dominated
most of my life at that time
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finally disappeared.
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But that doesn't excuse what I did
nor for the decisions I made.
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It was very difficult for him
Tell me he was gay.
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And I said, "Torey,
after everything we've been through,
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“This is nothing.”
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Before they arrested me,
I felt like my parents were obstacles.
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I don't know how they would have recorded it
to tell them he was gay.
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Maybe it wouldn't have bothered them.
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It didn't affect me at all
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but I cannot say that it would have been so
before all this.
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I wouldn't have been happy.
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This changed me a lot.
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I'll be very sincere.
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I thought she was a really great mother.
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I thought, "Gosh, I'm doing everything right."
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I was very involved with my children.
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And suddenly,
I lost all those login details.
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Torey was arrested.
"I can't raise anyone."
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You failed at that job.
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I wish I had known more.
But I didn't know anymore.
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I lacked tools.
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{\an8}For you,
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{\an8}future serial killers
who sees this band...
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{\an8}I don't know what to say.
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{\an8}- It's very funny.
- Good luck.
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{\an8}Good luck.
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{\an8}If you have no problem telling me,
Tell me why they made that video.
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Well...
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{\an8}Cassie and Matt are our friends,
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{\an8}but we have to make sacrifices.
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{\an8}In that video,
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we documented what we thought
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and we planned.
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{\an8}But I was aware of it
that I was on camera,
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{\an8}So I behaved a little differently
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{\an8}just like he would have done off camera,
if that makes sense.
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{\an8}We played dress-up.
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we could be
the characters we wanted to be
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and who we wanted to represent.
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{\an8}I don't think so
really him or me on the tape.
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{\an8}It's not like he's on Dr. Jekyll seemed
and Mr. Hyde, with or without camera,
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{\an8}but it added a filter to who I was.
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{\an8}I don't want to make excuses.
I don't want to defend my 16 year old self.
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It's not necessary,
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because that boy
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It was what it was.
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The person who committed that crime
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it no longer exists.
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He disappeared, as did what he was.
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That crime took place
when he was 16 years old.
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We know without a doubt
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that brain development
At the age of 16 it is not yet complete.
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The crime isn't about Brian.
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It's not about Torey.
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The crime is about Brian and Torey.
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{\an8}Two troublesome teenagers
They fed each other.
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{\an8}The teenage brain is like a car...
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{\an8}Professor of psychology
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{\an8}...at full throttle
and without a good braking system.
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What makes teenagers murderers?
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And that's only around 20 years old
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that self-control tends to improve.
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{\an8}Killing adults
for obvious reasons: jealousy, profit.
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{\an8}Professor of Criminology
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{\an8}Teenagers
They usually kill for no reason.
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{\an8}KILL
It was "INCREDIBLE"
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A leather jacket, a pair of shoes,
a provocative look, imitating a film.
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Do you want to die?
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{\an8}They are impatient and impulsive.
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A 16 year old boy
can commit the most heinous crime.
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They are not equally morally responsible
than adults.
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There are two people:
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the child I was, who brought me here
and who has committed a crime,
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and who I am now.
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And I feel like I'm fulfilling
a punishment that is his, not mine.
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When I was 25, I thought:
“God, this shit will never end.”
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And in the case of life imprisonment
without parole,
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It's hard to think about responsibility
Twenty or thirty years later.
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We are the only country in the world
who imprison minors for life
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and without possible parole.
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Do you think Brian
Has he achieved enough?
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Do you think it's time for it to come out?
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Well, it's a very good question.
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The quick answer is yes.
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They were children. Now they are different people.
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{\an8}JUNE 25, 2012
6 YEARS AFTER CASSIE'S MURDER
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{\an8}The Supreme Court has ruled
that you can touch up close.
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{\an8}The question is whether it is constitutional
that young people have been convicted of murder
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receive life sentences
without the possibility of parole.
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{\an8}Perpetual Without Conditional
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{\an8}In 2012, the Supreme Court decided
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{\an8}that life without parole...
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00:28:22,743 --> 00:28:23,911
{\an8}Professor of social work
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{\an8}...was unconstitutional and cruel.
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00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:29,207
We treat young people differently
in many aspects.
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{\an8}They can only vote when they are 18.
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00:28:30,918 --> 00:28:33,545
{\an8}They cannot drink or smoke
Also, don't go to a casino before you are 21.
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{\an8}Assistant Prosecutor
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We knew that, teenagers
They think and behave differently,
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and those circumstances
were not taken into account in these cases.
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00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:50,062
The U.S. Supreme Court has not specified this
If it were a retroactive decision.
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00:28:50,145 --> 00:28:53,231
What's wrong with the boys?
processed before the ruling?
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00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:56,944
Some states
They decided to change the sentence
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of those with an everlasting one
without parole.
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00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,951
And now the parole
they had an audience
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00:29:04,034 --> 00:29:08,538
For those who have been in prison for a while:
for minors with life sentences.
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00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:14,378
Would you make the same decision at the age of 16?
what at 30? Probably not.
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00:29:16,505 --> 00:29:18,799
{\an8}�How do I know if someone has been rehabilitated...
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00:29:18,882 --> 00:29:20,050
{\an8}Detective, Idaho
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00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:22,177
{\an8}...before you release it again,
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00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,763
after we had done everything we did
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00:29:24,846 --> 00:29:28,016
protect
for society and the victims?
447
00:29:33,522 --> 00:29:36,191
{\an8}I'm not that 14-year-old boy anymore.
448
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{\an8}I am a 51 year old adult,
mature and responsible.
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A man beaten to death
to a classmate in his adolescence
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was granted parole
after 37 years.
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00:29:50,247 --> 00:29:54,835
Rod Matthews murdered
to Shaun Ouillette in 1986
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in Canton, Massachusetts.
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He was the youngest person in the US.
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tried as an adult for such a crime.
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00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:08,849
{\an8}I am Shaun Ouillette's mother.
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00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:10,475
{\an8}I was 14 years old...
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00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:11,560
{\an8}Shaun's mother
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00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:17,107
...then his partner Rod Matthews
I took him to the woods...
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00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:21,778
And I hit him with a baseball bat,
and I quote, "because."
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00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:25,949
The prosecutor says Matthews
He carefully planned what he did,
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Then he cleaned the bloody bat
in the snow
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00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:32,080
and took friends to view the body.
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00:30:32,956 --> 00:30:38,628
He stated, “I need to know.”
How does it feel to kill someone?
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Can you imagine if we heard that?
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There's no logic in it whatsoever.
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00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:47,304
I'll never have it.
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{\an8}I started meeting
with the victims' families.
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00:30:52,392 --> 00:30:57,064
{\an8}With Jeanne Quinn, who I understood
for the loss and pain he felt.
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00:30:58,356 --> 00:31:02,819
Decades later I had news
from Rod Matthews, who had written to me.
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00:31:03,403 --> 00:31:07,741
I understood completely
the seriousness of the crime he committed.
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00:31:08,784 --> 00:31:14,164
Guilt, shame and remorse
They are part of who I am, as they should be.
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00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:16,500
I never want to stop feeling that way
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because I would feel freed from guilt,
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00:31:20,796 --> 00:31:23,298
and that should never happen
after what I did.
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00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:29,262
When testifying before the release board
conditionally on behalf of Matthews,
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00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:31,515
I didn't do it as a friend of the killer.
477
00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:35,685
I didn't do it as an enemy
from the victim's family,
478
00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,687
but in the name of righteousness.
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00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:42,317
I saw it very clearly
your level of regret
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00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,113
and it wasn't the same person
that was at the age of 14.
481
00:31:47,114 --> 00:31:50,158
Should your age matter?
No. His actions do.
482
00:31:50,951 --> 00:31:53,370
The actions he committed should matter.
483
00:31:54,287 --> 00:31:57,040
He lost his minor title.
484
00:31:57,541 --> 00:31:58,917
He is 15 years old.
485
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:02,087
But he's a murderer.
486
00:32:03,547 --> 00:32:08,301
Shaun's mother pleads with the board
to keep Matthews behind bars.
487
00:32:08,385 --> 00:32:10,220
I should tell them my fears.
488
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:14,516
It's about wealth, health and well-being
from all of us.
489
00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:22,440
Now we're in 2025 and Rod Matthews
He was granted parole.
490
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:26,236
Man released on parole
37 years after the murder of a colleague
491
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:27,988
I'm furious.
492
00:32:28,864 --> 00:32:34,035
I can't do anything
so Rod Matthews doesn't come out.
493
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,373
Nothing.
494
00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:44,087
You don't stop someone else's heartbeat
495
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:46,423
and you get your way.
496
00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:48,508
Never.
497
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:52,429
{\an8}You destroy a lot of people.
498
00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:55,515
{\an8}Hey, look, it's Cassie.
499
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,853
{\an8}I know families usually want that
That person remains stuck.
500
00:33:00,437 --> 00:33:03,690
It doesn't depend on the families.
It depends on the society.
501
00:33:04,858 --> 00:33:08,945
I don't know about Draper and Adamcik
They deserve early release.
502
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:12,365
It will depend on what happened
over the past 20 years.
503
00:33:12,449 --> 00:33:13,783
Have they changed?
504
00:33:16,077 --> 00:33:18,705
I've tried to understand it all
505
00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:20,999
for a long time.
506
00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:23,793
This was not an act
507
00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:27,255
of professionals
who murdered in cold blood.
508
00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:31,801
All I can say is that it was a crisis
509
00:33:31,885 --> 00:33:35,347
what made me want to be there
hurt someone.
510
00:33:37,474 --> 00:33:39,559
Something you haven't explained
511
00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:44,606
and we're still trying
understand better...
512
00:33:45,899 --> 00:33:46,983
Why Cassie?
513
00:33:58,078 --> 00:33:59,788
It was Cassie
514
00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:03,124
a friend from school.
515
00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:07,379
She was more outgoing than me,
516
00:34:07,796 --> 00:34:13,718
so he helped me
to feel comfortable when I was with her.
517
00:34:15,637 --> 00:34:18,556
Therefore, Cassie's death is tragic.
518
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,350
Because he just had that
519
00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:24,145
the bad luck of being alone
520
00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:27,857
and Brian and I had talked
kill someone
521
00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:30,527
a week earlier.
522
00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:35,323
I don't know if anyone can understand,
523
00:34:35,407 --> 00:34:37,075
but I really didn't have that
524
00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,328
no reason to hurt him.
525
00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:48,128
I don't know how I couldn't see
the basic empathy I owed him.
526
00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:54,592
{\an8}Let's admit something we know to be true.
527
00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:55,927
{\an8}Detective, Idaho
528
00:34:56,011 --> 00:34:57,554
{\an8}For some reason,
529
00:34:57,637 --> 00:35:01,266
these two boys,
When they committed that murder,
530
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:02,475
They were broken.
531
00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:05,228
Something was broken in them.
532
00:35:06,646 --> 00:35:08,982
When do we consider
Is that certain?
533
00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:16,031
As for what I did when I was 16:
The life I've lived since then
534
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:19,159
I think, I hope it's okay,
535
00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:21,536
better and more productive, which proves
536
00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:26,458
that you can live a normal life
and be a normal person if you try your best.
537
00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:29,044
Torey too. I don't know anything about him,
538
00:35:29,294 --> 00:35:34,049
but I imagine that's true
redeeming qualities. Don't know.
539
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,133
But...
540
00:35:35,759 --> 00:35:40,722
Brian and Torey don't talk to each other.
They have never done that since their captivity.
541
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:44,684
They never shared...
They have been kept separate to this day.
542
00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,812
They only meet by chance.
543
00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:51,650
We treat each other with cordiality,
544
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:54,986
but it doesn't go much further than that.
545
00:35:57,072 --> 00:35:59,699
We had a conversation ten years ago.
546
00:36:00,742 --> 00:36:02,035
I didn't want any tension,
547
00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:04,954
so a day at the gym
I said, "Torey."
548
00:36:05,038 --> 00:36:07,707
He didn't even recognize me
I thought it was someone else.
549
00:36:07,791 --> 00:36:09,209
And we talked about it.
550
00:36:10,043 --> 00:36:14,547
We've had different positions
about what happened,
551
00:36:14,631 --> 00:36:19,094
but I think we've actually decided
552
00:36:19,636 --> 00:36:22,514
accept responsibility on this point.
553
00:36:24,057 --> 00:36:27,143
The children we were are no longer there
and that link disappeared.
554
00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:29,562
That's how I see it.
555
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:35,944
I would like for my son
556
00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:40,115
had the capacity
to prove his worth.
557
00:36:42,117 --> 00:36:47,414
But at the same time, I'll tell you Cassie
I don't get a second chance,
558
00:36:47,497 --> 00:36:49,457
and that's my family's fault.
559
00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:53,211
'I think my son
deserves a second chance?
560
00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:56,005
It's very difficult.
561
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,927
If Brian hadn't told us
where was the evidence,
562
00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:04,347
we wouldn't have had them
and the case would not have been so strong.
563
00:37:04,431 --> 00:37:07,267
At that moment I believed, and I still believe,
564
00:37:07,350 --> 00:37:13,940
Some kind of must have deserved that
consideration to participate.
565
00:37:15,984 --> 00:37:21,072
{\an8}I'm stuck in the worst decision
which I took as a teenager.
566
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,909
And I can't change it.
567
00:37:27,495 --> 00:37:29,706
I think Torey accepted it
568
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:31,875
who will spend his life in prison.
569
00:37:34,002 --> 00:37:38,923
After the Supreme Court ruling,
Idaho has not changed its state
570
00:37:39,007 --> 00:37:42,886
of no young man with a life sentence
without parole.
571
00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:47,849
he should get
a commutation of the governor's sentences.
572
00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:50,018
That's not going to happen.
573
00:37:51,811 --> 00:37:56,983
I hope that before I die,
Someone's looking at Torey
574
00:37:57,066 --> 00:38:01,696
and see that he is a man
worth a second chance.
575
00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:11,748
I am a God fearing person
and I believe that people can be rehabilitated,
576
00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:16,711
{\an8}but when you serve
to someone so beautiful in this world,
577
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:18,755
{\an8}you must pay the price.
578
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:22,717
{\an8}When I think of Cassie,
579
00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:26,179
{\an8}I'm thinking of a girl...
580
00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:28,473
It's terrible.
581
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,642
Because I see girls visiting
582
00:38:32,936 --> 00:38:36,147
and I can't imagine hurting someone like that,
but I did it.
583
00:38:37,357 --> 00:38:40,109
Part of that nightmare
will never disappear
584
00:38:40,193 --> 00:38:42,529
and she's dead.
585
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,534
That will never go away.
And not that night either.
586
00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:54,541
When I think of Anna Stoddart
587
00:38:54,624 --> 00:38:59,587
and in the loss he suffered
588
00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:01,422
and what he had to go through,
589
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,260
It's like looking through glass,
590
00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:09,639
but there is a mirror behind it
591
00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:11,391
and I see myself.
592
00:39:12,225 --> 00:39:14,853
Cassie and Shaun's killers
593
00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:18,106
They must stay where they are.
594
00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:25,947
I take responsibility for my children.
595
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:27,323
I raised them.
596
00:39:29,951 --> 00:39:33,663
I could have avoided it,
and I didn't do it.
597
00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:38,835
I would change my time
598
00:39:40,128 --> 00:39:43,214
for my son's freedom.
599
00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:45,967
If I could get in there
and he could leave,
600
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,595
If I could spend the rest of my life there,
601
00:39:50,013 --> 00:39:53,224
I would do it without hesitation,
If he could get out.
602
00:39:56,561 --> 00:39:59,564
We don't make home movies anymore.
603
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:02,275
I don't look at photo albums.
604
00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,070
Because that life is no longer there.
605
00:40:09,699 --> 00:40:12,785
It's too much to go and see what you missed.
606
00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:23,630
I started shouting:
607
00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:26,799
"I love my daughter."
608
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:32,180
He said, "She's dead." I said, "No."
609
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:35,683
It's still an open wound.
610
00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:39,520
I see Anna Stoddart's face very clearly.
611
00:40:39,604 --> 00:40:41,147
I see Cassie's face.
612
00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:43,733
I'll never forget one.
613
00:40:46,027 --> 00:40:51,783
Anna Stoddart passed away in 2022
after a battle with cancer.
614
00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:57,622
You wonder why we are here.
615
00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:00,833
It shouldn't, but here we are.
616
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,337
We will do our best,
617
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:08,758
but it seems like a waste of so many lives
618
00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:10,635
on many levels.
619
00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:17,642
Torey and Brian took it
620
00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:20,436
a beautiful soul,
621
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,105
a beautiful person,
622
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:26,734
with which no one
you can enjoy life.
623
00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:30,905
My heart aches for his family.
624
00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:36,202
They won't see her grow
nor start a family of their own.
625
00:41:37,537 --> 00:41:40,581
They took much more
then Cassie Jo Stoddart.
626
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:44,919
They brought good luck
from Pocatello High School.
627
00:41:49,007 --> 00:41:52,218
I just want my own children...
628
00:41:56,014 --> 00:41:58,725
I always tell them
Let them choose their friends well.