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[instrumental music playing]

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Remain seated
and come to order,
court will begin in session.

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[man]
In today's hearing,
the government

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is not dealing
with the standard
playground pusher.

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These men represent a new
form of organized crime,

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totally different
from our previous notions.

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Tim Scully was not part
of the psychedelic scene.

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He was the psychedelic scene.

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[Scully]
I wasn't interested
in personally making money.

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I thought that
what we were doing

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was really important, trying
to change the consciousness

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of the world
in a positive way.

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[man]
But we all know who
is number one in this case.

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It is Nicholas Sand.

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[Nicholas]
I was considered
some kind of mad man,

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psychedelic commando.

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Because I'd go anywhere, do
anything for psychedelics.

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[man] We are talking
now about people
responsible for producing

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millions of doses
of hallucinogenic drugs.

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And they are proud of it.

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[Nicholas]
If we could turn
on everyone in the world,

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then maybe we'd have a new
world of peace and love.

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[man]
Call it whatever
you want to call it.

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They all ended up in one thing,
the degradation of mankind.

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The degradation of society.

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[Nicholas] We had the same
desire to risk our freedom,

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and be what we thought
were American patriots.

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Hey, partner.

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Good to see you, man.

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-Too long, eh?
-Yeah.

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I think we're
supposed to go in.

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I think so.

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Nice Panama hat.

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It's getting a little
worn around the edges,

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just like the rest of us.

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-Great seeing you, man.
-Yeah.

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Hey, you look good.

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You look great, man.

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[Scully] I didn't know
Nick Sand when I first
took acid.

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Totally losing that hair.

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[Scully] It was early 1965,

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and it wasn't that
easy to find yet.

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[music playing]

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I found a fellow
in San Francisco who had some.

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We built a fire
in the fire place,

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and took it in the evening.

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[Nicholas]
I was kind of a wild kid.

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I grew up
on the streets of New York.

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My first experience
with taking acid
changed everything.

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I had very good friends
who were a couple.

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We went up to their lake house
retreat in Mahopac, New York.

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As the sun went down, we
took our capsules of LSD.

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[Scully] I was nervous when
I first swallowed the acid.

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I knew that the experience
could be very terrifying.

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Ordinary things could become
very ominous and scary.

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But I knew also that
it could be transcendent.

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And of course I
was hoping
for transcendence.

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[Nicholas] I sat
in front of the fire,

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with nude
in the lotus position.

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I just wanted to be naked.

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I didn't want
to be encumbered
by clothing.

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[Scully] Everything
that I looked at,

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seemed to have
a life of its own.

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The mantle piece
under the fireplace.

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The fabric on my pants
that I was wearing.

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Yeah. This is it.

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[Nicholas]
And then it went much
further than that.

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I disappeared.

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I was floating in this
immense black space.

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I said, what am I doing here?

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[Scully] As you
get very high on acid,

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that's when you get
to experience oneness.

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You see the whole
universe reflected

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in all the other people
that you look at.

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[Nicholas]
If everybody took LSD,

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the entire place would
change overnight.

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People would want
to be more loving.

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[Scully] The flash that I had

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was that if everybody could
share this experience,

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they'd be much less likely
to be mean to each other.

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To just trash the world
by using up resources

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and dumping
pollutants everywhere.

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We'd avoid destroying
ourselves with the tools

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we've been developing.

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[Nicholas] And suddenly
a voice came through my body.

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And it said, "your
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is to make psychedelics
and turn on the world."

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Um. It was very interesting.

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[Scully] As we were coming
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the world was completely
new and fresh.

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Smells of the flowers
and lawns were really intense.

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I thought, we could
make this stuff.

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We could make a lot
of it and give it away.

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We could turn on everyone,
everyone who wanted to.

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And maybe it would
save the world.

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[Alice] With small
groups of people, you
felt connected.

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And in fact you
were connected.

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Sometimes it was just
by the intensity

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of what you were experiencing.

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And sometimes
it felt spiritual.

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It was just extraordinary,
and made you think
about the world

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differently.

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We were always friends
and off and on we were lovers.

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He was sure really wonderful
to be with in many ways.

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Hey!

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[Nicholas]
Hey, Trooper.

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[Alice] Hola.

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How are you?

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-It's so good to see you.
-Good to see you.

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Today I feel great.

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How are you doing?

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I'm OK, especially
after seeing you.

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That's just because I
remind you of your childhood.

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[Alice] He was full
of excitement about whatever

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his latest project was.

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He was certainly like
that about psychedelics.

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He became a sort of--

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he probably would
say a psychedelic warrior.

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I was on a crusade.

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I wanted to turn on the world.

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And that was how I first
met Billy Hitchcock.

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He was a chubby, not
really smart guy.

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He liked to take LSD.

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And he said, you've got
to come up to Millbrook.

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Come on, I want you
to meet Timothy Leary.

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[song playing]

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[Timothy] By teaching
people how to use their head.

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And in order to use
your head,

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you have to go out
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[Nicholas]
For the first time

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I found a whole community
of people interested

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in psychedelic research.

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Billy Hitchcock owned
the whole property.

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[Billy] Dr. Leary
leased one of the houses
on the property.

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We would have a population
fluctuating between ten
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working
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doing research
and experimentation.

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[Nicholas] All kinds
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ecologists from all
over the world came.

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And so it just became
like psychedelic rat wiring.

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And so I stayed there
for a couple of years.

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But I still wanted
to know the secrets of how

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to produce very fine, pure LSD.

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I started making
LSD back in late 1966.

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[Billy] Tim
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sometime in the fall of 1967.

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He told me that he'd
been manufacturing LSD.

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[Scully] Billy's
a very charming guy.

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He was a patron
of the psychedelic movement,

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and also a wealthy man.

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That seemed like
a pretty good recipe.

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[Billy] Sand expressed
an interest in meeting.

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[Scully]
I was introduced
to Nick Sand.

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He struck me as being
ambitious, energetic.

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I said, I
would really love it

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if you could teach me
to make LSD.

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Tim and I decided that
the best way to discuss this

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was to take an acid trip
together.

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He took a whacking
dose of about 75 mics,

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and I probably took more.

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I told him that
I wanted to turn on the world,

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and that I thought
making 200 kilos of acid
would be about right.

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And that ideally we
should give it away.

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You know, I
thought, well that's fine.

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You can give yours
away for free.

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I'm not giving
mine away for free.

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He's a very, very thrifty
distended Scotsman.

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His comfort level
was a lot higher than mine.

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He's way cheaper than I am.

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And then finally I said,
"OK, come to California."

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We'll work together.

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[song playing]

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I was going
to leave for California.

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And I had a feeling I needed
a woman to balance
my energy out.

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I used to up to Millbrook
for a number of reasons.

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I was kind of a horny guy,
and psychedelic chicks,

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that could function on my
level were rare.

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And there were a whole
bunch of them up there.

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And Jill was there.

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[Jill] I stayed up there
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governess for his stepchildren.

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I was, at that time had moved
into one of the tower rooms.

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Nick just appeared
in the morning,

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popped out of the closet.

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And just came and got in bed.

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And we turned onto LSD.

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And she
was very, very beautiful.

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[laughing]

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I like thin chicks.

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[Jill] I was in awe
of his energy

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and I really wanted to...

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♪ Staying in bed ♪

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Yeah. I mean, Nicky likes
to make love a lot, you know.

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So that is important to him.

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But it's almost utilitarian.

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We're going to get
in trouble here.

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[Nicholas] And I said,

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you got to come to California
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to need someone to help me.

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[Jill] It wasn't so much
that Nicky was charming.

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It was that Nicky knew
where he was going.

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He had a strong
sense of his mission.

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Those were the things
that made him attractive.

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Nick thought that
he could change...

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consciousness of large
numbers of people,

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by making psychedelic drugs.

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He thought that that
needed to happen.

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We all did.

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[Nicholas] And finally,
she just decided to go with me.

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And we came to the ranch
here as partners.

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And she still maintains
an interest in the ranch.

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Unfortunately I don't.

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It was stolen from me
by the federal government.

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Well, I promised you it would

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be good coming out
to California.

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[laughter]

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You got stuck here,
didn't you, Jill?

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I'd love
for them to film me crawling

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through the attic at Millbrook
and discovering you

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-in your room.
-Yeah.

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Yeah, I remember
I was with one very hot

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lady before I discovered you.

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[Jill] She was so beautiful.
Yeah.

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Not as beautiful as you.

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Not as beautiful as you.

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Don't even think
twice about it.

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[Alice] Tim also
is very fond of women.

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Getting high with him
was really quite wonderful.

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He laid out a deck of tarot
cards before the LSD came on.

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And then I think we made
love for most of the night.

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I'd known Nick
by then for 15 years.

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And he asked me afterwards,
"well, what did you
think about Tim?"

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And I said, "oh, I liked him.

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He's very, very odd.
But I really liked him.

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He's really bright.

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But you're not going
to work together, are you?"

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And he said, "well."

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And I said, "good luck
with that."

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I mean, they just
are so different.

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[interviewer]
Why have all of the books
got your name on them?

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[Scully] That's to indicate
that it's been cataloged.

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Its mysteries
and science fiction.

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It's alphabetical by author.

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[Jill] He's unusual. Yeah.

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He does function
differently than most of us

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in the way he relates
to people.

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And he does have
a touch of Asperger's.

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[Nicholas] Tim
was a very persnickety guy.

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Much more uptight
than I. He's a Virgo.
He's very skinny.

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So we had to set
up ground rules.

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As long as I didn't
transgress on his diet

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of white spaghetti,
white cheese...

253
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you know, he liked
everything white.

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[Scully] I used
to eat spaghetti

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with butter and cheese
on it for dinner,

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for every night for 30 years.

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Until it became
medically not possible

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for me to eat it anymore.

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[Nicholas]
Tim was extremely paranoid.

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He thought I was just
a crazy psychedelic madman.

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[Scully] Nick
made a commitment

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to being a lifelong psychedelic
outlaw, changing identity,

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being a fugitive
from time to time.

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In fact, he enjoyed pulling
the wool over people's eyes.

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And I got the feeling that
he was often doing it to me.

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[interviewer]
Did he want to become
the king of LSD?

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Yes.

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I think so.

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[music playing]

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[Billy] I remember
specifically going to have

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a meeting with Sand and Scully.

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They were discussing
the possibility

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of acquiring lysergic acid,
the starting material
to make LSD.

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I suggested London, England
as a possible source of supply

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for this material.

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[Nicholas] And so we pooled
our resources, went to England.

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[Scully] Bought
the kilo of lysergic acid,

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divvied it up in little
plastic bags.

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So this looks very much
like lysergic acid.

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One of the things we used to do

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is take advantage
of natural hollows in the body.

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So we'd always put
it in a place,

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like, this was our
favorite place to put it.

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And then this
would go like that.

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And once the shirt
was pulled down over it,

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it would be basically
invisible.

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And I smuggled my half through
the Bahamas with Alice.

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Alice used to smuggle
for me all the time.

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A great smuggler.
And she's like, "la di da.

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How are you?
Oh, aren't the birds
chirping beautifully?"

291
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And she'd like
totally distract you.

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She's got that
kind of sais quoi.

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She was perfect.

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And then took
a speedboat to Miami.

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And from there was taken
by another crew to California.

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[Billy] I was involved
in setting up an LSD lab

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with Sand and Scully.

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Eventually a place
was found in November of '68,

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in Windsor, California.

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[Nicholas] Tim
said, "here's the deal.

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I'll do the first
run with my material.

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You do the second run
with your material.

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And we'll be here
together for two weeks.

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And in two weeks you need
to know everything I'm doing,

305
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so that you can take over."

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[music playing]

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00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,089
Eventually I got notified

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that it was my turn
to come and to meet

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at a certain parking lot.

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[Scully] I told Nick
to change vehicles
on the way to the lab.

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[Nicholas] Get one
car to drop us off,

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like at a medical building
and go out the back door

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and get a rented car.

314
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A lot of the art of making LSD
involves not getting busted.

315
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I got to the house in Windsor.

316
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And Jill and I moved in.

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[Scully] The first thing I did

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was draw up a flow
chart that showed

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all of the steps and sequence.

320
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It's been a lot
of years since I did this.

321
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[Scully] LSD
is lysergic acid diethylamide.

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And lysergic acid
is the ideal starting material.

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You're pretty much
guaranteed to get

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busted if you try to acquire
the chemicals and do this.

325
00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:17,401
So don't try this at home.

326
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[song playing]

327
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The first step
is to make something

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called lithium lysergic.

329
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[Nicholas] He
was a good friend

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and he was a good teacher.

331
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And we trusted each other.

332
00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:39,506
And we all go forward
on the shoulders of the people

333
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who went before us.

334
00:21:41,091 --> 00:21:43,552
Meanwhile,
we've previously made

335
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something called the re-agent.

336
00:21:54,938 --> 00:21:56,982
[Jill] I was pregnant
at the time

337
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and pretty far along actually.

338
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We just kind of did the same
thing over and over every day

339
00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:05,949
for, I don't know,
at least a month.

340
00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:10,662
[Scully] Generally,
working in an acid lab,

341
00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:11,872
you do tend to get high.

342
00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:14,291
So we were in an altered state.

343
00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:21,506
[Nicholas] You know,
sometimes something's

344
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boiling over on the hot plate
and you'd grab it

345
00:22:24,217 --> 00:22:25,844
and take it off
and you'd go, "oh.

346
00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,431
Wow. That's hot.
Oh, no.

347
00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:32,184
I just took 2,000 mics
of acid."

348
00:22:38,982 --> 00:22:40,525
[Scully] Billy was sort
of a lab groupie.

349
00:22:40,901 --> 00:22:42,986
He so much wanted
to come to the lab,

350
00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:45,989
that I let him come and work
here for a couple of days.

351
00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:49,993
[Billy] I
worked around the lab.

352
00:22:50,368 --> 00:22:51,912
I ran some reactions myself.

353
00:22:52,245 --> 00:22:54,456
They were manufacturing
somewhere between three

354
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and four million tabs.

355
00:23:06,676 --> 00:23:07,844
[Scully] We
were hoping that there

356
00:23:07,928 --> 00:23:09,679
would be a really
fundamental change,

357
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in the world's consciousness.

358
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That people would become
more responsible,

359
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able to use technology more
wisely,

360
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able to be gentler
with the planet.

361
00:23:22,025 --> 00:23:23,276
[Nicholas] We'd
work until we'd drop

362
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and then we'd sleep
for a few hours

363
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,030
and get up and get at it again.

364
00:23:55,976 --> 00:23:57,727
[Scully] I went
to Billy Hitchcock

365
00:23:57,811 --> 00:23:59,729
and asked him
whether he had ideas

366
00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:01,148
for a distribution channel.

367
00:24:01,523 --> 00:24:04,693
Because Billy had all
kinds of social contacts,

368
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:06,444
all over the psychedelic scene.

369
00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,574
And he introduced me
to the Brotherhood
of Eternal Love,

370
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,536
also known as the Hippie Mafia.

371
00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:20,000
[Mike] The mafia rules by fear.

372
00:24:20,083 --> 00:24:21,751
The Brotherhood ruled by love.

373
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:28,008
LSD made freethinkers
out of people.

374
00:24:30,343 --> 00:24:33,221
The grip that all
governments have on people

375
00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:36,057
was going to probably end.

376
00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:38,602
I know it sounds
ridiculously naive.

377
00:24:40,437 --> 00:24:43,773
But if you've ever sat
and really seen
the golden light,

378
00:24:46,484 --> 00:24:50,447
and really went deep
inside yourself,

379
00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:53,783
it ain't all that far out.

380
00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:58,038
[Nicholas]
They were actually stickup men.

381
00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:00,207
And they all dropped acid.

382
00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:03,168
And they threw
their pistols away.

383
00:25:03,376 --> 00:25:06,171
And they said, we're going
to form the Brotherhood
of Love.

384
00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:09,549
And we'll be working
with psychedelics

385
00:25:09,633 --> 00:25:11,593
and we won't be sticking
up people anymore.

386
00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:19,768
Our aim
was to turn the world on.

387
00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:26,233
The business arrangement
between the Brotherhood
and Nick

388
00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:28,610
and Tim was pretty
straightforward.

389
00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:31,780
Here's 100 grams about
acid,

390
00:25:31,988 --> 00:25:34,449
and there's more
where that came from.

391
00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:35,867
We sold it all.

392
00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:39,996
We had... I think
it was $72,000.

393
00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:43,959
That's a lot of money now,
but it was a huge amount
of money then.

394
00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:47,128
And came back up
and delivered it to Nick.

395
00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:48,129
That was it.

396
00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:51,549
Now we were the official
distributors.

397
00:25:53,426 --> 00:25:56,054
[song playing]

398
00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:03,395
We're the ones that came
up with the name sunshine,

399
00:26:03,603 --> 00:26:06,356
to this day the most
famous acid ever.

400
00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:08,233
[Peter] I took some acid.

401
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,110
Peter, what did
the acid look like?

402
00:26:10,318 --> 00:26:11,861
[Peter]
They were these
little orange pills.

403
00:26:11,945 --> 00:26:14,322
-Were they barrel-shaped?
-Uh, yeah.

404
00:26:15,031 --> 00:26:17,075
OK, right. You did some
Orange Sunshine, Peter.

405
00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:23,415
[Mike] So we were smuggling
all through America,

406
00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:24,874
all through Europe.

407
00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:27,585
You know, you have to break
some eggs to make an omelet.

408
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:31,047
You're going to have to break
some laws to make a revolution.

409
00:26:31,381 --> 00:26:33,717
[Nicholas] They dealt
most of the Orange Sunshine.

410
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,051
They did a really good job.

411
00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:36,469
It went all over the world.

412
00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:39,431
[Mike] India
had lots of it.

413
00:26:39,514 --> 00:26:40,890
In Goa and other places.

414
00:26:41,641 --> 00:26:44,102
People that were smuggling
hash out of Afghanistan

415
00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:46,521
were bringing acid
into Afghanistan.

416
00:26:50,358 --> 00:26:53,320
[Nicholas] I sent a bunch
through different soldiers,

417
00:26:53,695 --> 00:26:57,365
to turn the soldiers
on to a higher way
of looking at things

418
00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:58,867
and not just take orders.

419
00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:01,244
[soldier]
You get really stoned.

420
00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:03,913
Then, you know, like,
who cares about the war?

421
00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:15,550
[Mike] We thought
the world was going to change

422
00:27:15,633 --> 00:27:17,177
within five years or so.

423
00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:20,680
The grass would
be growing in Manhattan.

424
00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:23,391
We were in a fit of idealism.

425
00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:30,148
[Nicholas] I envisioned
centers all over the world.

426
00:27:30,231 --> 00:27:33,651
There would be trained
guides like myself,

427
00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:36,071
taking people through
their first trip.

428
00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:42,535
[Mike]
It was a spiritual thing.

429
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:45,663
Some people say,
I believe in God.

430
00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:48,208
I don't have to believe in God.

431
00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:50,919
I have been one with God.

432
00:27:52,796 --> 00:27:54,964
[Alice] It was amazing.

433
00:27:55,298 --> 00:27:58,218
We had a growing
sense of community,

434
00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:01,721
among equally eccentric people.

435
00:28:02,305 --> 00:28:03,723
It was a lovely time.

436
00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:11,314
[Scully] There
was a psychedelic nation

437
00:28:11,398 --> 00:28:12,524
that was forming.

438
00:28:12,607 --> 00:28:15,360
It seemed as though
it was going to work out.

439
00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:29,332
[Mike] You know,
evangelists have
an epiphany a church.

440
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:34,462
We're the same, except
we were LSD evangelists.

441
00:28:35,713 --> 00:28:37,424
Jesus, that's what
he was trying to do.

442
00:28:37,507 --> 00:28:39,968
I think we did
a better job than Jesus.

443
00:28:40,343 --> 00:28:43,555
Christians would hate me
for saying that but it's true.

444
00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:46,182
We touched more souls
than... you know,

445
00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:47,892
we just because it's a modern
world,

446
00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:50,186
and Jesus didn't have no acid.

447
00:29:02,782 --> 00:29:04,743
[interviewer]
Did it feel that you
were turning on the world?

448
00:29:05,368 --> 00:29:07,203
[Nicholas] I really
thought we were on our way.

449
00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:13,710
[Scully] We guesstimated
that maybe three quarters
of a billion people,

450
00:29:14,085 --> 00:29:17,422
might be willing to take acid,
willing to give it a try.

451
00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:19,215
[interviewer] What was that
based on? A guess?

452
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:20,800
Intuition.

453
00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:22,051
Optimism.

454
00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:25,764
Somebody in Africa
who's starving to death

455
00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:27,474
might have relatively
little interest

456
00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:31,478
in... or on the other hand,
they might think
it's really cool. Who knows.

457
00:29:31,686 --> 00:29:33,229
But still, we
thought that it would

458
00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:37,442
be a fair shot know that
if three quarters
of a billion doses

459
00:29:37,525 --> 00:29:40,653
would be not too shabby.

460
00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:51,873
Seven hundred and fifty million
doses, which is roughly
200 kilos of pure acid.

461
00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:58,713
The next step might
be 20 kilos.

462
00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:04,302
And then that's sort
of what we were hoping.

463
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:07,722
[music playing]

464
00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:14,020
[interviewer] How soon
were you hoping to be able
to complete your mission?

465
00:30:14,103 --> 00:30:15,814
[Scully] I suppose
I was thinking in terms

466
00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:17,148
of a couple years maybe.

467
00:30:30,078 --> 00:30:32,789
[Scully] When I finished
my work in Windsor,

468
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:34,374
I wanted to learn how to fly.

469
00:30:39,254 --> 00:30:42,924
After I got through the basic
training, I flew up to Napa.

470
00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:50,223
When I got off the airplane,
a fellow said to me,

471
00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:51,975
"are you Tim Scully?"
And I said, "yes."

472
00:30:52,058 --> 00:30:53,810
And somebody else
grabbed me from behind

473
00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:55,186
and put the handcuffs on.

474
00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:56,646
[Police] Stay there.

475
00:30:58,022 --> 00:30:59,524
[Scully] They said,
"we're federal agents

476
00:30:59,607 --> 00:31:01,609
and we're arresting you
on a fugitive warrant

477
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:02,944
from Denver, Colorado."

478
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:05,780
I figured that I
was in deep trouble.

479
00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:07,490
[sirens]

480
00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:13,204
[man]
Scully was advised
of his constitutional rights

481
00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:16,708
and transported to the BNDD
offices, San Francisco,

482
00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:17,959
California for processing.

483
00:31:24,757 --> 00:31:26,509
[Scully] I arrived
at the federal building,

484
00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,887
got taken into a booking
room where they took

485
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:30,847
my picture and my fingerprints.

486
00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:36,144
I was told I could get
a maximum sentence of 56 years.

487
00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,187
I said, "oh shit."

488
00:32:02,962 --> 00:32:04,213
[Gordon] Robert T Scully.

489
00:32:05,798 --> 00:32:10,845
Male Caucasian, 23 years
of age, born on August 27,
1944.

490
00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:14,015
Six foot one inches
tall, 130 pounds.

491
00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:16,851
Slender build, brown
hair, hazel eyes.

492
00:32:31,115 --> 00:32:33,201
I was the group
supervisor,

493
00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:36,871
for the investigation
of the LSD sales

494
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,331
in the San Francisco area.

495
00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:44,504
In 1966, LSD was kiddie dope.

496
00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:49,092
In other words,
kids are using this.

497
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:54,847
The real men are using
cocaine and heroin,

498
00:32:55,431 --> 00:32:56,641
and those kind of drugs.

499
00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:59,519
I felt it was more
dangerous because nobody

500
00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:02,230
knew the outcome of where
this thing is going to end up.

501
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,941
And it's causing
problems to society.

502
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:12,657
[Clark] I wound up as a junior
agent with Gordon White,

503
00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:15,118
to fight the hallucinogen
traffic.

504
00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:20,707
Most of these young people
were the first
of the baby-boomers.

505
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,291
They saw a lot
of things in the world

506
00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:24,210
they thought
were hypocritical and they

507
00:33:24,293 --> 00:33:26,421
were reacting against them.

508
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:29,424
And they weren't totally wrong.

509
00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:32,343
I just didn't agree
with the way they
were doing it.

510
00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:38,558
[Gordon] Peculiarities...
wears glasses and walks,

511
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:41,144
with an extremely large gait.

512
00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:47,025
Associates, Donald R. Douglas.

513
00:33:50,903 --> 00:33:52,697
[Douglas] Tim and I
met in kindergarten.

514
00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:56,325
There is no question that
Tim is a science genius.

515
00:33:58,411 --> 00:34:01,164
The part of him that
you mostly don't see

516
00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:05,126
is the guy who figured
the right place
for an accelerator pedal

517
00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:06,544
is flat on the floor.

518
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:10,923
And he's the one who,
the very first time we took LSD

519
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:12,967
together, said, you know,
Don, we could make this,

520
00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:14,927
with a real gleam in his eye.

521
00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:19,140
[man] What is LSD?

522
00:34:19,515 --> 00:34:20,725
How does it work?

523
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:22,185
When did it all begin?

524
00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:30,693
[Scully] In the late
'50s and very early 1960s,

525
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:33,529
LSD samples went
to psychologists,

526
00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:36,157
and psychiatrists who
were doing medical research.

527
00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:42,121
It also caught the attention
of the CIA,

528
00:34:42,205 --> 00:34:45,833
looking at the possibility
of using LSD in the Cold War.

529
00:34:48,294 --> 00:34:50,880
[Gordon] CIA were looking
at it for one thing.

530
00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:56,177
But the side effects
were such that a person that

531
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:58,054
would be looking
for a high,

532
00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:01,140
this would be the kind
of side effect that they
would enjoy.

533
00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:06,020
I just felt so one,
so human and alive

534
00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:07,772
again for the first
time in years.

535
00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:09,982
[Scully]
And the word started
to get around

536
00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:12,276
that there was this really
interesting substance.

537
00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:16,531
Magazine articles
were published
and a buzz developed.

538
00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:19,909
[acid user]
I mean, I feel as though I
have no enemies in the world.

539
00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,787
And this is very lovely.

540
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:27,583
[Scully] By 1965
the FDA had classified

541
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,877
LSD as an experimental drug.

542
00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:35,883
The sources of supply started
being driven underground.

543
00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,599
[Gordon] And that's
about when we started looking,

544
00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:45,726
at Owsley and his operation.

545
00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:52,483
[Clark]
Owsley was the man.

546
00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:53,776
He had the brand name.

547
00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:57,905
LSD was being sold
on the street as Owsley Acid.

548
00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:02,034
[song playing]

549
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,583
[Gordon] He's the pied piper.

550
00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,878
And people would
be following him around,

551
00:36:12,295 --> 00:36:14,422
'cause he's handing out
the goodies.

552
00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:17,508
It was pretty easy for us
to just get in the line

553
00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:19,260
and see what was going on.

554
00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:29,061
[Douglas] Tim and I
were interested
in making drugs.

555
00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:34,734
And Owsley learned about
us, and he visited one day.

556
00:36:43,784 --> 00:36:46,662
[Owsley] So I was looking
around for someone who
could help.

557
00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:48,831
And I ran into this
kid, Tim Scully.

558
00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:51,417
I thought, hey, I
need somebody.

559
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:52,501
You want to do it?

560
00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:54,337
He was a bright kid.

561
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:55,254
Real bright.

562
00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:00,343
[Clark] We have
three by five index cards.

563
00:37:00,843 --> 00:37:03,429
We'd get a big piece
of paper and it's all telephone

564
00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:05,723
calls, money transfers.

565
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:07,767
You're putting together
a jigsaw puzzle.

566
00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:11,270
[Gordon] And that's
where we would put
Timothy Scully,

567
00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:13,064
and Donald Douglas.

568
00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:18,236
[Scully] We drove
to Owsley's LSD lab.

569
00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:25,201
Becoming his apprentice
passed on all
the essential knowledge,

570
00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:28,329
that I otherwise would have
had to learn the hard way.

571
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,874
[Douglas] Owsley and Tim
would discuss chemistry texts

572
00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:33,084
at the kitchen table.

573
00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:35,586
And I would try to keep
up for a little while

574
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:37,964
but then I'd just go smoke
a joint and play my guitar.

575
00:37:41,008 --> 00:37:43,678
[Scully] We'd tableted
up 100,000 doses or more,

576
00:37:44,178 --> 00:37:46,973
of White Lightening,
and put that out on the street.

577
00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:49,475
[song playing]

578
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,562
[Gordon] Haight-Ashbury
was an intersection of two

579
00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:56,232
streets in San Francisco.

580
00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,610
And if you wanted to deal
drugs, this
was the place to be.

581
00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:02,363
[Clark] LSD
traffickers were not

582
00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:04,031
the same as other drug dealers.

583
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:07,702
Our basic tool in undercover
work was to appeal to greed.

584
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:09,704
And some of them
didn't have the greed.

585
00:38:09,787 --> 00:38:11,789
I mean, some of them
really were motivated

586
00:38:11,872 --> 00:38:13,082
by things other than money.

587
00:38:16,919 --> 00:38:18,337
You didn't even know
if he'd show up.

588
00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:21,007
And if he did, he might
want to talk about karma.

589
00:38:22,049 --> 00:38:25,136
[woman]
I had heard it makes you
not only closer with yourself

590
00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:26,095
but with everybody.

591
00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:28,014
This sort of love,
peace type thing.

592
00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:33,269
[Scully] I was doing it
because I thought that making

593
00:38:33,352 --> 00:38:34,729
acid could save the world.

594
00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:36,981
[Clark] That
term, save the world.

595
00:38:37,064 --> 00:38:38,774
I mean, so many
of them used it.

596
00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:54,165
I reacted
to those LSD people who

597
00:38:54,248 --> 00:38:57,168
said, you know, how amazing
their experience had been,

598
00:38:57,251 --> 00:38:59,712
the same way I reacted
to many heroin dealers

599
00:38:59,795 --> 00:39:03,090
that I met who said that
heroin was better than sex.

600
00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:04,925
I didn't believe it.

601
00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:11,766
[Gordon] I knew
it was going to get
bigger and bigger

602
00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:13,601
and I felt we had
to do what we could

603
00:39:13,684 --> 00:39:15,478
to try to slow this thing down.

604
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,733
[man]
You have to take
into consideration

605
00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,194
the changes that have taken
place in the social order.

606
00:39:23,277 --> 00:39:27,073
The abandon with which they
conduct themselves today.

607
00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:34,246
[man 2]
There is nothing grown up
or sophisticated in taking

608
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:35,623
an LSD trip at all.

609
00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:37,833
They're just being
complete fools.

610
00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:39,126
Fear.

611
00:39:43,214 --> 00:39:45,257
[Scully] Almost
everybody who got turned on,

612
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,053
became deeply skeptical of all
governments and politicians.

613
00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:53,808
[Douglas] And the authorities
said, "oh, we've

614
00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:55,684
got to stop this right away.

615
00:39:55,768 --> 00:39:58,020
People are waking up.
We don't want this to happen."

616
00:39:58,354 --> 00:40:01,440
One reason or another LSD
was given to an elephant once.

617
00:40:02,691 --> 00:40:04,193
[Douglas] The
propaganda machine,

618
00:40:04,610 --> 00:40:06,695
telling people about
all the awful things

619
00:40:06,779 --> 00:40:08,322
that would happen cranked up.

620
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:09,990
And lo and behold it
killed the elephant.

621
00:40:10,491 --> 00:40:11,367
[man] Freak-outs.

622
00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:13,202
Instant insanity.

623
00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:16,288
[interviewer] Did any of guys
have to take LSD

624
00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:18,332
as part of being undercover?

625
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:19,959
"Take LSD"? Are you crazy?

626
00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:21,335
A Never Neverland of no return.

627
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,878
No, get away.
Get away.

628
00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:26,424
You might be the one guy
that trips out on this stuff.

629
00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:31,804
LSD started out
a low penalty drug.

630
00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:35,433
But then as people began
to learn more and more

631
00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:39,311
about what it did to you,
then it worked its way
up the scale.

632
00:40:40,729 --> 00:40:42,481
[Clark] The other
side would disagree with that

633
00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:44,984
and say that maybe it was tied
to the anti-war movement

634
00:40:45,067 --> 00:40:46,026
or other movements.

635
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:49,447
But my impression was that
serious people involved

636
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,907
in science and medicine
were seeing it,

637
00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,076
LSD, as a bigger problem.

638
00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:57,163
The manufacturer
for illicit LSD

639
00:40:57,246 --> 00:41:00,249
should be vigorously
sought and prosecuted.

640
00:41:00,666 --> 00:41:02,376
[Nicholas] I don't care
what the governments say.

641
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:06,130
They're all just a crock
of shit, out for power
and money.

642
00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,673
And that was not my trip.

643
00:41:10,676 --> 00:41:12,678
[Owsley]
It was too fucking much.

644
00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:16,307
The law said it's no
longer legal to make LSD.

645
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:18,142
So we finished it all up.

646
00:41:25,399 --> 00:41:27,234
[Douglas] One of the things
you need to remember

647
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:30,321
about the United States
is that it's 50 different
states

648
00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:31,655
and they aren't
all that united.

649
00:41:32,114 --> 00:41:36,535
It became illegal in California
before other places.

650
00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:40,289
So that's why the Denver
lab was not in California.

651
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:44,168
[music playing]

652
00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:53,427
[Scully] I rented a house
not far from the Denver Zoo.

653
00:41:55,429 --> 00:41:57,765
[Nicholas] Setting
up the lab went well.

654
00:41:58,224 --> 00:42:01,810
Owsley proceeded to come
to the lab and make acid
with us.

655
00:42:14,823 --> 00:42:16,116
[Scully] When
that work was done,

656
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,537
Owsley went back
to the Bay Area to organize

657
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,790
a tableting facility
for the LSD we'd
made in Denver.

658
00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:30,714
So I went back to Berkeley.

659
00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,718
I ordered more chemicals
through the chemical supply

660
00:42:34,802 --> 00:42:36,470
house Owsley had recommended.

661
00:42:43,143 --> 00:42:44,562
[Clark] The chemical supply
houses

662
00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:46,981
recognized that some
of the chemicals they
were selling

663
00:42:47,064 --> 00:42:49,149
were probably going
into illegal drugs.

664
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,527
They'd get an order.
They would call us.

665
00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:54,655
Sometimes we would put
an undercover agent

666
00:42:54,738 --> 00:42:56,365
behind the desk as a clerk.

667
00:42:57,157 --> 00:42:58,367
[Scully] There
was a new stock clerk

668
00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:59,660
who helped me load the truck.

669
00:43:04,498 --> 00:43:06,500
[man]
Aiden Hendrix assumed
the role of stock clerk.

670
00:43:08,794 --> 00:43:12,381
At approximately 1:15 p.m.,
Donald R. Douglas

671
00:43:12,464 --> 00:43:14,091
arrived in a van-type truck.

672
00:43:17,511 --> 00:43:20,681
[Gordon] Hendrix would
pretend to be an employee,

673
00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:24,143
meet the people, take their
order, fill it, give it to them

674
00:43:24,226 --> 00:43:26,103
and tell us, hey,
OK, he's got it.

675
00:43:26,186 --> 00:43:29,064
And now he's leaving
in a certain kind
of car or whatever.

676
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,400
[Douglas] He got
into a car and followed us,

677
00:43:31,483 --> 00:43:34,653
which an employee
of a chemical company
would not do.

678
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:38,782
A list of these
chemicals is as follows,

679
00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:40,534
Ten cases of chloroform.

680
00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:42,036
Hundred pounds
of sodium chloride.

681
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:43,704
Fifty gallons of acetone.

682
00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:45,789
Twenty five pounds of drierite.

683
00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:51,337
The truck was followed
to the vicinity of Harrison
Street in Stanley Place.

684
00:43:56,091 --> 00:43:57,384
[Scully] When we
went back to my house

685
00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,970
we discovered that they'd put
my house under surveillance.

686
00:44:00,262 --> 00:44:01,764
Highball one to Dugout.

687
00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:03,057
This is Dugout.

688
00:44:03,682 --> 00:44:06,518
[Gordon] He lived
not too far from a motel.

689
00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:09,480
We could go to it
and rent a motel room,

690
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:11,106
look right out the window.

691
00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:16,570
[Douglas] We did
see that we were being,

692
00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:19,073
followed on a regular basis.

693
00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:22,534
And we became a bit
thick-skinned about it.

694
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:24,662
[Scully] The way I was looking

695
00:44:24,745 --> 00:44:26,580
at it is that we were all
playing a game

696
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:28,540
and we just had chosen
different sides.

697
00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:30,959
[Clark] I did
what I did, which

698
00:44:31,043 --> 00:44:33,379
I thought was the right
thing for the country

699
00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:34,797
and for the rule of law.

700
00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:39,259
I thought I was doing
something good
and we disagreed.

701
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:45,099
Spy versus
spy, cops versus robbers.

702
00:44:53,649 --> 00:44:54,942
[Gordon]
Surveillance is the key.

703
00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:58,821
And that's the only way
we were able to follow

704
00:44:58,904 --> 00:45:00,155
Owsley to Arenden.

705
00:45:08,997 --> 00:45:12,292
Gordon White, Special Agent
with the Bureau of Narcotics

706
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,669
and Dangerous Drugs.

707
00:45:14,503 --> 00:45:17,089
We had probable cause
to believe,

708
00:45:17,172 --> 00:45:20,884
that there might be some
type of drug manufacturing
going on,

709
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:22,511
in the premises.

710
00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:30,727
We had no response
and forcible entry
was obtained.

711
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:34,690
Hey!
Don't move.

712
00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:36,400
-Don't move.
Get over there.
-Hey, now.

713
00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:40,404
And in the house
we found Mr. Owsley Stanley.

714
00:45:43,031 --> 00:45:45,367
[Owsley] I said,
"gee, I'd love to help you

715
00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:48,078
but I just dropped
about 200 mics of acid.

716
00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:51,331
I don't think I really want
to go anywhere right now."

717
00:45:52,499 --> 00:45:55,002
Then they carted me
off to the joint.

718
00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:07,139
[phone ringing]

719
00:46:08,974 --> 00:46:10,517
[Scully] I called
the lab in Denver.

720
00:46:15,147 --> 00:46:18,775
A strange voice answered,
and my first thought
was, oh shit,

721
00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:20,152
the lab has been busted.

722
00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:26,617
I called my lawyer
and asked if he could

723
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,160
find out what had happened.

724
00:46:31,121 --> 00:46:34,249
It turned out that
the landlord came to the house.

725
00:46:36,126 --> 00:46:37,419
He smelled a really
funny smell.

726
00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:40,589
He thought is there perhaps
a dead body in the house?

727
00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:42,758
Sheriff's office.

728
00:46:42,841 --> 00:46:43,967
[Scully] He
called the police.

729
00:46:44,051 --> 00:46:44,885
OK.

730
00:46:44,968 --> 00:46:46,136
Hold on just a second.

731
00:46:47,346 --> 00:46:48,514
[Scully] A cop came.

732
00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:53,810
The cop decided that he
would break down the door.

733
00:46:56,271 --> 00:46:59,107
As soon as he went
inside, he immediately

734
00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,651
called the narcotics police.

735
00:47:09,826 --> 00:47:11,912
None of us had paid
attention to how

736
00:47:11,995 --> 00:47:13,872
the laws changed in Colorado.

737
00:47:14,206 --> 00:47:17,459
So when the Denver lab
was busted, each
of the things

738
00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,003
we were doing there had become
a more serious felony,

739
00:47:20,087 --> 00:47:21,463
than in California.

740
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,970
[Douglas] The heat on us
was really increasing a lot.

741
00:47:28,929 --> 00:47:33,475
I said that I wanted to take
a hiatus of about six months,

742
00:47:34,601 --> 00:47:38,689
and go get regular jobs where
federal agents could see us do

743
00:47:38,772 --> 00:47:41,608
our work, until they got
tired it

744
00:47:41,692 --> 00:47:43,318
and we have
an agreed meeting place.

745
00:47:43,735 --> 00:47:46,613
And at some point we'd drop
whatever it is we're doing,

746
00:47:46,738 --> 00:47:48,574
meet in this place and proceed.

747
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,745
Tim said that he
wanted to continue.

748
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:55,998
So then I said, well
then I guess I'm out.

749
00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:57,499
That's how I was out.

750
00:48:02,879 --> 00:48:05,132
[Scully] I was going to have
to start from scratch.

751
00:48:06,341 --> 00:48:09,136
Owsley made it pretty clear
he wouldn't be financing me.

752
00:48:09,803 --> 00:48:12,014
When I told him, well I didn't
really have enough money

753
00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:14,766
to do it on my own, he
said, "well, how about if you

754
00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:15,892
ask Billy Hitchcock?"

755
00:48:17,102 --> 00:48:20,230
And what it came down
to was seeing if Nick wanted

756
00:48:20,314 --> 00:48:21,648
to set up a lab in partnership.

757
00:48:25,277 --> 00:48:27,487
[Nicholas] They
said, come to California.
We'll work together.

758
00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:29,823
So we pooled our resources.

759
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,326
I got to the house
in Windsor,

760
00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:36,288
and we all go forward
on the shoulders of the people

761
00:48:36,371 --> 00:48:37,497
who went before us.

762
00:48:55,182 --> 00:48:58,644
[Clark] In 1969
we did have intelligence

763
00:48:58,727 --> 00:49:01,396
that Sand and Scully
were working together
on producing,

764
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,315
Orange Sunshine, LSD.

765
00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:06,026
I mean, everybody in Haight
was talking about it.

766
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:08,070
It was the LSD of choice.

767
00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:10,238
We would get reports
from all over the country

768
00:49:10,322 --> 00:49:12,074
about Orange Sunshine seizures.

769
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,242
So we knew it was spreading
around the country.

770
00:49:15,494 --> 00:49:18,538
Sand and Scully were apparently
running this lab in Windsor.

771
00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:21,375
And they did a good job
of keeping it from us.

772
00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:24,169
We conducted surveillances.

773
00:49:24,252 --> 00:49:26,046
We talked to informants.

774
00:49:26,588 --> 00:49:27,506
We did a lot of things.

775
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:29,007
But we didn't find the lab.

776
00:49:30,926 --> 00:49:31,927
Stay there.

777
00:49:32,969 --> 00:49:34,262
[Clark] But sometime
after Scully

778
00:49:34,346 --> 00:49:37,057
did get arrested
at the Napa County Airport,

779
00:49:37,557 --> 00:49:39,142
for, at the lab in Denver.

780
00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:44,106
[Scully] I was busted
in the spring of '69.

781
00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:47,234
I spent a lot of time commuting
to Denver to go to court.

782
00:49:47,943 --> 00:49:50,612
Would you please relate
to this court and jury

783
00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:53,115
when and where you
first observed him.

784
00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:55,867
I first observed him at 1:24...

785
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:57,994
[Scully] And after that,
I tended

786
00:49:58,078 --> 00:50:00,831
to have paranoid trips
where I was hallucinating

787
00:50:00,914 --> 00:50:02,332
police in the trees.

788
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,252
It was very unnerving
to think that the police

789
00:50:05,335 --> 00:50:08,088
might be out in the bushes,
about to swoop down.

790
00:50:13,343 --> 00:50:14,761
And I was just terrified.

791
00:50:16,138 --> 00:50:18,849
So I got in touch
with the Brotherhood folks,

792
00:50:18,932 --> 00:50:21,309
and basically said, you
guys have to take over.

793
00:50:22,227 --> 00:50:23,311
I can't do it anymore.

794
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,609
Tim's timid.

795
00:50:31,611 --> 00:50:33,822
He's not real brave sometimes.

796
00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:38,243
[interviewer]
Why do you think he
quit when you didn't quit

797
00:50:38,326 --> 00:50:39,453
and Nick didn't quit?

798
00:50:40,078 --> 00:50:41,913
[Mike] Because he
didn't take enough of it.

799
00:50:42,956 --> 00:50:49,629
I don't know how much acid Tim
took, but it wasn't much.

800
00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:53,467
You need to keep
taking it so that you

801
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:56,970
really are current
with your spiritual feelings.

802
00:51:00,015 --> 00:51:02,142
Pretend
it was a momentary job,

803
00:51:02,768 --> 00:51:03,977
and he did what he did.

804
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:05,312
And then he was finished.

805
00:51:05,979 --> 00:51:10,150
And to me it was just
another rock on the road.

806
00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:14,988
[man]
America's public enemy
number one is drug abuse.

807
00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:17,783
In order to fight
and defeat this enemy,

808
00:51:17,991 --> 00:51:22,162
it is necessary to wage
a new all-out offensive.

809
00:51:23,038 --> 00:51:28,210
Just another asshole
trying to direct money,

810
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:30,504
and power where he wanted it.

811
00:51:31,046 --> 00:51:34,049
The depth of our commitment,
our national commitment

812
00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:35,091
is clear.

813
00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:38,011
And the pressure
is on the criminal drug trade.

814
00:51:38,595 --> 00:51:41,306
[song playing]

815
00:51:43,141 --> 00:51:47,020
[man] Richard Lee Rathjen,
Special Agent for the Internal
Revenue Service.

816
00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:52,484
[Clark] I was working very
closely with the Internal
Revenue Service.

817
00:51:52,567 --> 00:51:53,693
Dick Rathjen.

818
00:51:55,987 --> 00:51:58,865
[man] A special group
was formed within the IRS.

819
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,701
It consisted of about
100 special agents

820
00:52:01,785 --> 00:52:05,247
under the designation
of the Narcotics Traffickers
Program.

821
00:52:08,917 --> 00:52:12,212
Nicholas Sand was one
of the original cases
assigned me.

822
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,131
[Clark] Nick Sand
had a harder edge.

823
00:52:15,882 --> 00:52:18,468
He was a typical high-level
drug dealer,

824
00:52:18,552 --> 00:52:20,971
who was primarily motivated
by profit.

825
00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:22,681
I was never out for money.

826
00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:26,101
The only money I ever
wanted was enough money,

827
00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:29,521
to live comfortably
and to make as many psychedelic

828
00:52:29,604 --> 00:52:31,314
laboratories as I could.

829
00:52:34,526 --> 00:52:36,319
[Douglas] Dick Rathjen
pulled his tax returns.

830
00:52:36,695 --> 00:52:40,198
And from there
the investigation just grew
on the tax side.

831
00:52:42,075 --> 00:52:44,494
[Nicholas] Agent Rathjen
was a very smart man.

832
00:52:44,661 --> 00:52:47,914
And he figured there
were a few holes
in the stories.

833
00:52:48,498 --> 00:52:52,460
[man]
Mr. Sand did not report
approximately $300,000

834
00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:53,587
in taxable income.

835
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,505
[interviewer]
That's how they got
Al Capone, right?

836
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:56,548
Right.

837
00:52:56,965 --> 00:53:00,594
[man]
He also told me he owned
no assets, held no property,

838
00:53:01,052 --> 00:53:03,638
had nothing in any
nominee names or anything.

839
00:53:03,722 --> 00:53:04,723
Yeah.

840
00:53:05,223 --> 00:53:08,768
Well, yeah, that
was a little bit of a balls up.

841
00:53:09,603 --> 00:53:12,314
[man]
In other words, he
was dead broke and lived

842
00:53:12,397 --> 00:53:13,940
off his common law wife.

843
00:53:15,442 --> 00:53:17,777
We opened a criminal
tax investigation

844
00:53:17,861 --> 00:53:19,070
on her at this point.

845
00:53:19,154 --> 00:53:20,947
[Jill] This is getting
too heavy.

846
00:53:21,031 --> 00:53:22,574
I don't want to do
this anymore.

847
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,411
Everything was obviously
going to have

848
00:53:26,494 --> 00:53:28,371
to be done on a whole
different level,

849
00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:31,958
assumed names, new identities.

850
00:53:35,503 --> 00:53:38,924
By that point I was already
starting to think

851
00:53:39,007 --> 00:53:41,176
about training as a teacher.

852
00:53:43,345 --> 00:53:46,556
And I loved the ranch
and I really,

853
00:53:47,057 --> 00:53:51,061
loved the idea of us living
here and raising children here.

854
00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:54,105
[interviewer]
So you think he should've quit?

855
00:53:56,816 --> 00:53:57,943
I thought so.

856
00:53:58,026 --> 00:54:00,570
I thought that there
were a lot of things
that he could do.

857
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:06,743
He wasn't going
to shake this life

858
00:54:06,826 --> 00:54:09,329
so that it would
be centered here.

859
00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:13,667
It was going to be centered
around making psychedelics.

860
00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:18,004
[Alice] He
began to take himself

861
00:54:18,088 --> 00:54:21,925
so seriously that you
couldn't poke him in the side

862
00:54:22,008 --> 00:54:25,220
and say, "oh, come
on, get off it."

863
00:54:26,429 --> 00:54:29,265
[Nicholas] I think anybody
that has to do this job,

864
00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:31,184
you had to have a big ego.

865
00:54:32,018 --> 00:54:34,104
I did something
I feel was really

866
00:54:34,187 --> 00:54:38,358
good for millions of people,
and I'm OK with that.

867
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:39,651
[Alice] I love him.

868
00:54:39,734 --> 00:54:41,111
I've loved him my whole life.

869
00:54:41,194 --> 00:54:44,489
But for a while he became,
the best word I can think of,

870
00:54:44,572 --> 00:54:46,074
is insufferable.

871
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:50,453
[Jill] We reached
a point where I told him,

872
00:54:50,537 --> 00:54:52,539
you need to find somebody else.

873
00:54:54,749 --> 00:54:55,583
And he did.

874
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,631
[Nicholas] I went off
to St. Louis with a new
partner.

875
00:55:02,924 --> 00:55:05,510
I made a beautiful
laboratory, two-story brick

876
00:55:05,593 --> 00:55:07,679
building in downtown St. Louis.

877
00:55:08,096 --> 00:55:12,350
I'd formed this company, Signet
Research and Development.

878
00:55:13,268 --> 00:55:15,979
Everybody was very happy
that industry was moving

879
00:55:16,062 --> 00:55:17,689
into this impoverished
area and I

880
00:55:17,772 --> 00:55:19,941
was getting kudos
from the mayor.

881
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,069
We made a lot
of beautiful psychedelics.

882
00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:25,822
And we were right
out in the open.

883
00:55:27,115 --> 00:55:29,367
One more job,
one more paycheck.

884
00:55:31,369 --> 00:55:33,288
We didn't really
accept checks though.

885
00:55:39,252 --> 00:55:42,047
[man]
We went through all the bank
accounts for Nicholas Sand

886
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:45,675
and a number of other accounts
we located, William Hitchcock,

887
00:55:45,967 --> 00:55:47,510
Robert Timothy Scully.

888
00:55:48,887 --> 00:55:50,221
[Scully] I was very scared.

889
00:55:51,598 --> 00:55:53,808
If Nick kept
on cooking, he would

890
00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:58,271
eventually bring down all
of us in a huge conspiracy
case.

891
00:55:58,813 --> 00:56:02,609
Billy and I tried to talk him
into taking some time out,

892
00:56:02,692 --> 00:56:04,486
just the way Don Douglas
had tried to talk

893
00:56:04,569 --> 00:56:05,904
me into taking time out.

894
00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:08,615
[Billy]
Nick was totally

895
00:56:08,698 --> 00:56:11,284
irresponsible in the way he
was going about his business.

896
00:56:11,576 --> 00:56:13,411
And he was jeopardizing
everyone else who

897
00:56:13,495 --> 00:56:15,080
was involved
in the Windsor lab.

898
00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:20,001
[Scully] Nick responded
by saying that it was that none

899
00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:21,753
of our business what he did.

900
00:56:22,462 --> 00:56:25,381
And after all, hadn't we agreed
to try to turn on the world.

901
00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:30,303
[Clark] That's pretty
common with a high level
traffickers.

902
00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:31,971
They must have their own
addiction,

903
00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:35,892
because they often
continued a business way
beyond what, you know,

904
00:56:35,975 --> 00:56:37,268
prudence would dictate.

905
00:56:46,945 --> 00:56:48,029
[Clark] On top of that,

906
00:56:48,113 --> 00:56:51,491
I'd slowly been getting less
and less enthusiastic,

907
00:56:51,616 --> 00:56:53,076
about what I'd been doing.

908
00:56:54,577 --> 00:56:57,747
Things were looking somewhat
darker in Haight-Ashbury.

909
00:57:02,335 --> 00:57:04,587
That group that was still left
in the Haight-Ashbury started

910
00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:08,299
to seem more like lost souls.
The age of the flower children

911
00:57:08,383 --> 00:57:09,634
was gone.

912
00:57:10,426 --> 00:57:11,719
It was a lot more
methamphetamine.

913
00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:14,347
There was a lot more
murders and violence.

914
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:17,058
There was more presence
of the Hell's Angels

915
00:57:17,142 --> 00:57:18,518
and other motorcycle groups.

916
00:57:20,478 --> 00:57:21,563
It was a trip.

917
00:57:23,022 --> 00:57:25,275
[Scully] People that I
knew had peak experiences

918
00:57:25,358 --> 00:57:27,318
and had the experience
of oneness,

919
00:57:29,112 --> 00:57:31,990
still treating each other
really badly and dishonestly.

920
00:57:33,366 --> 00:57:36,077
I still believe that
LSD was a good thing.

921
00:57:36,494 --> 00:57:39,456
But I was no longer convinced
that it was the solution

922
00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:40,623
to the world's problems.

923
00:57:56,556 --> 00:57:59,058
But I got turned
on to biofeedback instruments.

924
00:58:02,729 --> 00:58:04,981
I'm going to measure
the electrical activity

925
00:58:05,064 --> 00:58:08,568
of my brain, as it leaks
out onto the scalp.

926
00:58:11,821 --> 00:58:13,239
[ELECTRICAL BUZZING]

927
00:58:21,706 --> 00:58:24,501
There were some early
studies done that related
the brain waves

928
00:58:24,584 --> 00:58:29,464
of Zen monks yoga masters
to particular brain wave
patterns,

929
00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:30,882
when they
were meditating.

930
00:58:31,883 --> 00:58:35,762
I saw brainwave biofeedback
as a possible way of teaching
people

931
00:58:35,845 --> 00:58:38,264
to reach that state
of oneness with the universe,

932
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,183
without having to use drugs.

933
00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:43,520
[interviewer]
So you're still trying
to turn the world on?

934
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:46,689
In a kinder, gentler way.
Yeah.

935
00:58:49,734 --> 00:58:53,863
And then in late 1971, I
got a phone call telling me,

936
00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:56,074
I was off the hook
for the Denver lab,

937
00:58:57,575 --> 00:59:00,745
because the police hadn't
gotten a search warrant.

938
00:59:01,037 --> 00:59:02,288
The state Supreme
Court had ruled

939
00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:04,040
that the search was illegal.

940
00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:07,043
And it was tremendously
liberating.

941
00:59:07,252 --> 00:59:10,797
The road ahead was clear
for doing research

942
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,257
in lots of different
directions.

943
00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:16,135
Unless Nick did
something really foolish,

944
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,765
I'd somehow managed
to escape getting punished

945
00:59:20,848 --> 00:59:22,016
for what I'd been doing.

946
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,196
[Nicholas] So here
I am in St. Louis.

947
00:59:35,488 --> 00:59:37,407
It's getting very
cold in Missouri.

948
00:59:37,782 --> 00:59:41,452
And we decide to go traveling
in Mexico and taking
a vacation.

949
00:59:43,955 --> 00:59:48,209
Unbeknownst to me, a water pipe
broke in the house.

950
00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,462
And the neighbors,
they could see

951
00:59:51,713 --> 00:59:53,673
water running down the stairs.

952
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,346
The sheriff for that town
breaks in.

953
01:00:01,514 --> 01:00:03,266
They go up to my bedroom.

954
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:06,269
They find the leak
in the bathroom nearby.

955
01:00:07,228 --> 01:00:12,734
They also go into my closet,
and they find some
psychedelics.

956
01:00:15,153 --> 01:00:17,405
And then they
discovered the lab.

957
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,409
[man]
Powder LSD capable
of producing over

958
01:00:21,492 --> 01:00:23,536
fourteen million tablets
of Orange Sunshine

959
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:24,871
was found in two locations.

960
01:00:27,957 --> 01:00:29,250
[Nicholas] It was in all
the papers.

961
01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:32,337
I just didn't happen
to see the papers.

962
01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:35,923
[indistinct radio chatter]

963
01:00:40,386 --> 01:00:41,721
[Nicholas]
When I pulled up...

964
01:00:42,555 --> 01:00:45,099
[police]
Driver, step outside slowly.

965
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,273
Five heavy duty guys
with shotguns jumped out
and said...

966
01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:56,736
If you make any sudden moves,
you'll be shot immediately.

967
01:00:58,946 --> 01:01:00,073
What a country.

968
01:01:00,865 --> 01:01:03,451
Keep your hands away
from your body and drop
full down.

969
01:01:07,038 --> 01:01:08,289
[Scully] It was an "oh, shit"
moment.

970
01:01:09,457 --> 01:01:10,875
Not that they have
busted Nick,

971
01:01:10,958 --> 01:01:12,835
I think I'm in deeper
hot water.

972
01:01:13,878 --> 01:01:15,755
I suspected there
was a good chance that Nick

973
01:01:15,838 --> 01:01:17,382
would have things
with him,

974
01:01:17,465 --> 01:01:19,759
that would be used
as evidence against me.

975
01:01:20,176 --> 01:01:25,807
Marijuana, LSD, some mescaline.

976
01:01:26,516 --> 01:01:28,559
[Scully] I made a personal
bet that he'd probably still

977
01:01:28,643 --> 01:01:32,814
have that flow chart with him,
that showed him the process

978
01:01:33,314 --> 01:01:34,982
for making LSD on one page.

979
01:01:37,777 --> 01:01:39,028
It turned out he did.

980
01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:47,745
[man]
Is the gamble of drug
exploration worth this?

981
01:01:48,871 --> 01:01:52,417
Is it worth the physical
and mental risk as well?

982
01:01:59,924 --> 01:02:02,176
[Scully] Well a grand jury
was convened specifically

983
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:05,638
to investigate
Nick, Billy, and I.

984
01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:13,688
I eventually hid out
in a friend's house.

985
01:02:15,690 --> 01:02:18,735
While I was there, I got
a phone call
from Billy Hitchcock.

986
01:02:21,487 --> 01:02:23,781
And he told me, "I
have bad news for you."

987
01:02:27,618 --> 01:02:29,412
[man]
Would you say that
you were a close

988
01:02:29,495 --> 01:02:31,497
personal friend of Mr. Scully?

989
01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:33,207
[Billy] Yes, I would.

990
01:02:34,959 --> 01:02:37,128
I advised him
of my tax problems.

991
01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:39,714
I told him I was cooperating
with the government

992
01:02:39,797 --> 01:02:41,924
where I would have
to reveal the whole situation.

993
01:02:44,051 --> 01:02:47,221
[Scully] He'd been indicted
for income tax evasion,

994
01:02:47,388 --> 01:02:49,098
and he didn't see
any other way out.

995
01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,602
[Clark] Billy wasn't
the final piece in the puzzle.

996
01:02:52,685 --> 01:02:55,271
He was that one in the middle
that you'd spend a half an hour

997
01:02:55,354 --> 01:02:56,397
looking for.

998
01:02:56,564 --> 01:02:58,483
And then once you find
that one, everything,

999
01:02:58,649 --> 01:03:00,109
seems to fall into place.

1000
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:05,156
[Scully] Owsley
and Nick Sand gave Billy

1001
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,867
large amounts
of money to send offshore

1002
01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:09,202
into Swiss bank accounts.

1003
01:03:10,703 --> 01:03:13,581
[Nicholas] He would
launder money for us.

1004
01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:15,750
Noble he was not.

1005
01:03:18,878 --> 01:03:20,129
[Gordon]
It's just like fishing.

1006
01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:23,216
You reel it in, and you
look at it, and you figure,

1007
01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:24,759
I can get a bigger
one than this.

1008
01:03:25,468 --> 01:03:28,554
So I'll tell him, "hey,
you know, I'll throw you
back,

1009
01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:30,097
if you can give me
somebody else."

1010
01:03:34,310 --> 01:03:35,978
[Nicholas] My
lawyer came and read off

1011
01:03:36,062 --> 01:03:38,564
the names of the unindicted
co-conspirators.

1012
01:03:39,398 --> 01:03:40,983
I said, "Lenny, put it plain.

1013
01:03:41,067 --> 01:03:43,236
What's an unindicted
co-conspirator?"

1014
01:03:43,486 --> 01:03:44,904
He said, "a snitch.

1015
01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:48,366
Someone who has turned
state's evidence against you."

1016
01:03:48,699 --> 01:03:49,992
I said, "Billy?"

1017
01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:54,080
It's just
another example of idealism

1018
01:03:54,163 --> 01:03:55,915
fading in the face of reality.

1019
01:03:59,085 --> 01:04:02,255
[Scully] He offered to loan
me $10,000, which he encouraged

1020
01:04:02,338 --> 01:04:04,423
me to use to hire
a lawyer,

1021
01:04:04,507 --> 01:04:07,218
so that I could also
turn and become
a government witness.

1022
01:04:07,552 --> 01:04:08,928
Anybody
can be turned.

1023
01:04:09,762 --> 01:04:12,348
The question is, how
much do you have to give

1024
01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:14,100
them in order for them to turn?

1025
01:04:15,977 --> 01:04:18,271
[Nicholas] He said, Tim
is considering whether or not

1026
01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:20,106
to turn state's evidence.

1027
01:04:21,023 --> 01:04:22,733
[Scully] Do the same
thing I did and make

1028
01:04:22,817 --> 01:04:23,985
a deal with the government.

1029
01:04:25,278 --> 01:04:26,362
I was shocked,

1030
01:04:26,904 --> 01:04:28,990
right down to the soles
of my feet.

1031
01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:31,033
[Scully] I said,
I'll take the money

1032
01:04:31,117 --> 01:04:32,869
and I'll make my best choice.

1033
01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:34,495
I couldn't believe it.

1034
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:57,435
Remain seated
and come to order,
court will begin in session.

1035
01:04:57,852 --> 01:04:59,896
[Scully] I realized that
if I did become a witness

1036
01:04:59,979 --> 01:05:01,939
against Nick, that
I would end up

1037
01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:04,692
feeling really bad about
myself for the rest of my life.

1038
01:05:04,775 --> 01:05:05,860
All right.

1039
01:05:05,943 --> 01:05:08,029
Ladies and gentlemen,
this next case...

1040
01:05:08,446 --> 01:05:09,864
[Scully] The way
I'd end up feeling best

1041
01:05:09,947 --> 01:05:12,950
about myself would
be if I faced the music

1042
01:05:13,034 --> 01:05:14,785
and tried to fight the charges.

1043
01:05:18,915 --> 01:05:21,542
Billy ended up testifying
for a couple of days.

1044
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:23,753
His testimony was
pretty damning.

1045
01:05:27,048 --> 01:05:30,676
[Billy]
They were manufacturing
LSD, somewhere between

1046
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,386
three and four million tabs.

1047
01:05:33,596 --> 01:05:35,014
Pretty painful to hear.

1048
01:05:36,474 --> 01:05:38,309
[Billy]
Scully made just about
a million tablets.

1049
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:41,520
They knew what
we did and where we did it.

1050
01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:44,231
[Billy] Nick came
to the Bahamas.

1051
01:05:45,232 --> 01:05:47,944
[Nicholas] There's a word
that kind of describes Billy.

1052
01:05:48,027 --> 01:05:51,614
It's in Yiddish,
but it-- it is such
a perfect word.

1053
01:05:51,697 --> 01:05:52,907
He's a schlub.

1054
01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:54,867
[Billy] Yes.

1055
01:05:54,951 --> 01:05:56,118
I met with Mike Randall.

1056
01:05:58,245 --> 01:06:00,247
[Mike] Billy Hitchcock's
a punk and he always was.

1057
01:06:00,331 --> 01:06:01,540
He's a rich guy.

1058
01:06:02,124 --> 01:06:04,418
Don't try to take
a rich guy's money away.

1059
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,631
[Jill] I never
held that against Billy.

1060
01:06:09,006 --> 01:06:11,092
I think most people
would save themselves.

1061
01:06:11,926 --> 01:06:14,553
The stupid thing was bringing
him to the laboratory.

1062
01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:16,305
That he had something--

1063
01:06:16,722 --> 01:06:18,516
you know, there were a lot
of those blunders

1064
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:23,521
all along the line that
were just... yeah, just showoff

1065
01:06:23,604 --> 01:06:25,314
maneuvers that were dumb.

1066
01:06:26,232 --> 01:06:28,359
Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury--

1067
01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:31,112
[Nicholas] The trial
judge, Samuel Conti,

1068
01:06:31,195 --> 01:06:33,280
is known as Hanging Sam.

1069
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:36,117
Oh, Judge Conti
was a fine American.

1070
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,743
He was one of our
favorite judges.

1071
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,287
Judge Conti was tough.

1072
01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:42,081
But I think fair.

1073
01:06:42,164 --> 01:06:44,083
The events which
are the subject
of this proceeding...

1074
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,293
[Scully] In one
of the pretrial proceedings,

1075
01:06:47,461 --> 01:06:49,630
he said he wished he had
access to the death penalty

1076
01:06:49,714 --> 01:06:51,924
in our case, which
gave us a pretty

1077
01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:54,468
good clue of what he was going
to do in terms of sentencing.

1078
01:06:54,802 --> 01:06:56,637
And the man was just--

1079
01:06:56,721 --> 01:06:58,222
Objection, your honor.
Motion to strike.

1080
01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:00,433
Why don't you both
approach the bench.

1081
01:07:01,809 --> 01:07:05,271
[Nicholas] Every motion
that we made, Conti
just denied,

1082
01:07:05,521 --> 01:07:08,441
interrupted our
lawyers, yelled at them.

1083
01:07:08,774 --> 01:07:12,486
I mean, he's a sick man.

1084
01:07:13,863 --> 01:07:16,407
It was blow after
blow after blow.

1085
01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:20,036
And they had 63 witnesses
for the prosecution.

1086
01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:24,040
They spent one or two million
dollars.

1087
01:07:24,498 --> 01:07:28,002
I feel pretty proud
that it cost them that
much to get me.

1088
01:07:28,377 --> 01:07:32,048
And I'm just one little guy,
you know, with a good idea.

1089
01:07:34,341 --> 01:07:35,426
[Scully] When I
got on the stand,

1090
01:07:35,509 --> 01:07:37,261
I really wanted
to try to explain

1091
01:07:37,344 --> 01:07:39,305
why we made psychedelics.

1092
01:07:41,182 --> 01:07:43,476
I actually did
convince the judge

1093
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,561
that there was a chance that
I was an idealist

1094
01:07:45,644 --> 01:07:47,229
rather than in it
for the money.

1095
01:07:48,355 --> 01:07:49,815
But when he sentenced
me, he said,

1096
01:07:49,899 --> 01:07:51,859
"idealists are the most
dangerous kind."

1097
01:07:52,943 --> 01:07:55,738
And socked it to me
with 20 years.

1098
01:07:58,365 --> 01:08:02,161
Mr. Scully is a brilliant
man, but not very smart.

1099
01:08:02,787 --> 01:08:05,247
An idealist without
a conscience.

1100
01:08:06,832 --> 01:08:09,668
He was impeding
justice and impeding

1101
01:08:09,752 --> 01:08:14,381
the moral lives and well-being
of many, many citizens.

1102
01:08:18,135 --> 01:08:20,971
[Nicholas] Heroically,
he stood up for us,

1103
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:23,182
and really got slammed for it.

1104
01:08:24,683 --> 01:08:26,352
He got a 20-year sentence.

1105
01:08:26,852 --> 01:08:28,813
I got only a 15-year sentence.

1106
01:08:32,066 --> 01:08:33,526
That was a really bad moment.

1107
01:08:34,693 --> 01:08:37,530
And I didn't have long
in the courtroom
to think about it.

1108
01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:43,202
I was whisked away pretty
quickly into the holding cell.

1109
01:08:46,997 --> 01:08:49,834
[Clark] Deep in my heart
I have some sympathy for all

1110
01:08:49,917 --> 01:08:51,252
the people who went to prison.

1111
01:08:51,627 --> 01:08:54,880
I don't really have sympathy
on the basis of the chronology.

1112
01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:56,841
Maybe he is not doing
it anymore

1113
01:08:56,924 --> 01:08:58,425
and doesn't
intend to do it anymore.

1114
01:08:58,509 --> 01:09:03,264
But the fact is, he did it,
and he was an important
trafficker.

1115
01:09:03,889 --> 01:09:07,393
And an example has
to be set for other people

1116
01:09:07,476 --> 01:09:08,811
who want to enter the business.

1117
01:09:09,562 --> 01:09:10,938
[Scully] I climbed
up on the bunk

1118
01:09:11,021 --> 01:09:12,565
and pulled the blanket
over my head

1119
01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:14,984
and cried for a while
cause I thought,

1120
01:09:15,067 --> 01:09:17,778
it was going to be pretty
scary being in prison
for a long time.

1121
01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:19,363
I was going to get
sent where all

1122
01:09:19,446 --> 01:09:22,408
those tough guys were that I
didn't get along with very well

1123
01:09:22,491 --> 01:09:23,325
in high school.

1124
01:09:31,333 --> 01:09:33,836
[man]
It's McNeil Island
Federal Penitentiary,

1125
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:37,506
the oldest federal penal
facility in the United States.

1126
01:09:38,591 --> 01:09:40,593
[Scully] I was sent up
to NcNeil Island,

1127
01:09:41,093 --> 01:09:43,470
in link and belly chains
and handcuffs.

1128
01:09:47,099 --> 01:09:49,226
They put you through
a delousing procedure,

1129
01:09:50,060 --> 01:09:53,522
take away your clothes and put
you through a special shower,

1130
01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:54,648
a medicinal scrub.

1131
01:09:54,982 --> 01:09:58,485
When I first drove
up I made a naive venture,
first up.

1132
01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:01,572
[Scully] There were guys who
had been in motorcycle gangs.

1133
01:10:01,655 --> 01:10:02,948
Guys were there for murder.

1134
01:10:03,032 --> 01:10:04,366
There was one
Eskimo who was there

1135
01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:05,951
for eating his whole family.

1136
01:10:06,952 --> 01:10:09,872
They were generally
a fairly intimidating lot.

1137
01:10:10,539 --> 01:10:12,791
[prisoner]
I couldn't begin to tell
you how many people in here

1138
01:10:12,875 --> 01:10:15,711
have had encounters
that they didn't want.

1139
01:10:16,962 --> 01:10:18,714
[Scully] A lot of the guys
were frightened,

1140
01:10:19,381 --> 01:10:20,925
they would be turned
into a punk,

1141
01:10:21,217 --> 01:10:23,552
and be raped by the other
prisoners.

1142
01:10:25,763 --> 01:10:28,349
[prisoner]
It's part of the dehumanization
process.

1143
01:10:28,432 --> 01:10:31,352
There's only one way
to do time,

1144
01:10:31,435 --> 01:10:33,812
and that's to do it
one day at a time.

1145
01:10:34,188 --> 01:10:36,523
That's the only way you
can, and keep your sanity.

1146
01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:42,112
[Scully] I did have
a little difficulty at first

1147
01:10:42,196 --> 01:10:44,949
because a number of people
tried to make me offers
I couldn't

1148
01:10:45,032 --> 01:10:47,284
refuse to become
the distributor for all

1149
01:10:47,368 --> 01:10:48,827
the drugs they
expected I was going

1150
01:10:48,911 --> 01:10:50,204
to be bringing into the prison.

1151
01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:54,500
The answer I gave all of them
was, "just wait for my
crime partner

1152
01:10:54,583 --> 01:10:56,043
to get here.
I don't have any drugs."

1153
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,005
[Nicholas] Usually
crime partners,

1154
01:11:00,089 --> 01:11:02,508
as they're referred to,
are kept separate.

1155
01:11:02,967 --> 01:11:05,678
For some reason they
put us together.

1156
01:11:06,929 --> 01:11:09,682
We were bunkies.
He had the top bunk.
I had the bottom bunk.

1157
01:11:13,852 --> 01:11:17,648
My girlfriend at the time
would come to the prison.

1158
01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:20,526
And she would have
a balloon with a variety

1159
01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:21,860
of psychedelics in it.

1160
01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:25,572
[song playing]

1161
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:34,164
When we got up to be allowed
our one hug and kiss,

1162
01:11:34,498 --> 01:11:37,418
she put the balloon
from her mouth into mine

1163
01:11:37,501 --> 01:11:38,919
and I swallowed it.

1164
01:11:39,044 --> 01:11:42,256
I had to shit it out,
and I had to clean it up,

1165
01:11:42,339 --> 01:11:43,716
and then I had to unwrap it.

1166
01:11:43,882 --> 01:11:46,677
And then I had to figure
some way of dosing it out.

1167
01:11:46,969 --> 01:11:48,887
He starting
running sessions in the cell.

1168
01:11:54,226 --> 01:11:56,103
He would typically do
it after lights out.

1169
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,814
He'd open the door to his
locker where he had

1170
01:11:58,897 --> 01:12:01,483
a picture of Ganesh pasted
in the door.

1171
01:12:01,567 --> 01:12:04,320
He'd light a candle
and he and the other folks

1172
01:12:04,403 --> 01:12:05,988
who were getting high
would sit around,

1173
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,283
shielded from the guard's
vision as they walked by.

1174
01:12:10,659 --> 01:12:12,328
I mean, he's a great session
guide.

1175
01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:20,336
We formed an eight man
psychedelic cell.

1176
01:12:20,711 --> 01:12:22,463
Had a mafia guy in it.

1177
01:12:22,546 --> 01:12:25,507
He took acid with us,
because he wasn't a pussy.

1178
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:30,804
As he came out of that session
he said, "hey guys, you know,

1179
01:12:31,138 --> 01:12:34,641
that's the first time I've
been in church in 30 years."

1180
01:12:40,272 --> 01:12:43,859
I began to monitor
the delivery of food.

1181
01:12:45,402 --> 01:12:49,573
Somehow I got some LSD
in there and the word got out.

1182
01:12:53,952 --> 01:12:55,871
Everybody would rather
take LSD

1183
01:12:55,954 --> 01:12:57,998
than being just sitting
in jail, right.

1184
01:12:58,332 --> 01:13:02,961
We got the whole
of the prison stoned.

1185
01:13:05,631 --> 01:13:07,633
This is what freedom
is really about.

1186
01:13:08,008 --> 01:13:10,219
It's not about not
being in chains.

1187
01:13:10,302 --> 01:13:12,846
It's about not having
your mind enslaved.

1188
01:13:21,855 --> 01:13:23,732
[Scully] I just
didn't take part in it.

1189
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:27,152
I went to bed and read a book
if the lights were still on.

1190
01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:29,488
And when the lights went
out I always went to sleep.

1191
01:13:31,907 --> 01:13:34,159
The prison library
was in terrible shape.

1192
01:13:35,452 --> 01:13:37,788
I offered to update
the card catalogs

1193
01:13:37,871 --> 01:13:39,164
so it would be accurate.

1194
01:13:39,373 --> 01:13:41,333
And the librarian
said, "OK, you're hired."

1195
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:45,170
[Nicholas] Tim got up
in the morning as soon
as the gates were open.

1196
01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:46,922
Boom, stayed there all day.

1197
01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:51,468
He was studying the case,
trying to find
constitutional issues,

1198
01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:53,303
that would help get us off.

1199
01:14:00,519 --> 01:14:02,062
[Scully] Judge Conti
had set our bail

1200
01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:05,399
at a very, very high figure,
half a million dollars each.

1201
01:14:09,069 --> 01:14:10,446
We filed bail appeals.

1202
01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:14,783
So we both got out
on appeal bond.

1203
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,537
[Nicholas]
And it was a big relief.

1204
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:20,956
[guard] Get in your cells!

1205
01:14:21,665 --> 01:14:23,375
[Scully] I said
goodbye to Nick in prison.

1206
01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:27,546
I remember wishing him luck.

1207
01:14:37,181 --> 01:14:40,350
[Nicholas] I couldn't
really focus on anything
for a while.

1208
01:14:41,268 --> 01:14:44,396
It's hard to come back in after
you've been in that system.

1209
01:14:44,771 --> 01:14:47,941
The system changes you
and not for the better.

1210
01:14:54,281 --> 01:14:56,366
[Scully] It took a few
months for the Supreme Court

1211
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:58,535
to decline to hear my case.

1212
01:14:59,369 --> 01:15:01,497
And when I heard we'd
lost that appeal,

1213
01:15:01,580 --> 01:15:05,209
I wasn't tremendously
surprised, but I was really
disappointed.

1214
01:15:07,127 --> 01:15:08,504
I was doing everything
I could to get

1215
01:15:08,587 --> 01:15:10,005
ready to go back to prison.

1216
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:22,851
[Nicholas] I had a little
houseboat in Sausalito.

1217
01:15:24,603 --> 01:15:26,772
I was living there
with my Buddha

1218
01:15:26,855 --> 01:15:29,983
and all my Persian carpets
that I liked to collect.

1219
01:15:31,693 --> 01:15:34,321
And we were just
sitting down preparing,

1220
01:15:34,696 --> 01:15:38,617
for a psychedelic session that
I was going to be guiding,

1221
01:15:38,825 --> 01:15:41,453
for 12 people
from the Bay Area.

1222
01:15:42,287 --> 01:15:45,040
As I was finishing up
all the preparations,

1223
01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:49,336
Nancy came in and said, "we've
got to get you out of here."

1224
01:15:54,466 --> 01:15:56,343
I just got a call from Tim.

1225
01:15:56,426 --> 01:15:58,720
They have denied your appeal.

1226
01:15:59,346 --> 01:16:01,932
And you're going
to be picked up in a few days

1227
01:16:02,015 --> 01:16:03,058
and taken to prison.

1228
01:16:03,141 --> 01:16:04,101
Good to see you, darling.

1229
01:16:04,184 --> 01:16:05,018
Yes.

1230
01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:10,857
[Nancy] I met Nick in 1969.

1231
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:14,861
He turned me
on to Orange Sunshine.

1232
01:16:15,153 --> 01:16:16,572
I think this one
might be better.

1233
01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:19,992
And I didn't
leave that room for three days.

1234
01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:26,373
And I must say, I fell madly
in love with that person

1235
01:16:26,456 --> 01:16:27,791
and what he was.

1236
01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:29,876
[man] Was Nick very handsome?

1237
01:16:30,335 --> 01:16:31,295
Yes.

1238
01:16:31,378 --> 01:16:33,505
He was different
than he is now.

1239
01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:34,715
[Nicholas] What
do you mean, was?

1240
01:16:34,798 --> 01:16:36,216
What is this negative shit?

1241
01:16:36,675 --> 01:16:37,759
[Nancy] He still is.

1242
01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:43,140
I was a part
of this psychedelic revolution.

1243
01:16:43,974 --> 01:16:46,685
He knew that he could
count on me,

1244
01:16:47,477 --> 01:16:50,606
to help him in any way
that was needed.

1245
01:16:53,191 --> 01:16:54,985
We knew that we had
to get out of there.

1246
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:56,570
Ah, here we go.

1247
01:16:59,406 --> 01:17:01,199
[Clark] When they
lowered Nick Sand's bond,

1248
01:17:01,283 --> 01:17:03,118
I knew he would run and he did.

1249
01:17:03,952 --> 01:17:06,371
And I said,
watch your rear view mirror.

1250
01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:10,500
If you see any cars pulling
out behind of us suddenly,

1251
01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:11,668
we've got a tail.

1252
01:17:12,836 --> 01:17:14,171
[Nancy] Lo
and behold, there

1253
01:17:14,254 --> 01:17:16,840
was one of them
in my view mirror

1254
01:17:16,923 --> 01:17:19,217
and I thought, oh, shoot.

1255
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:22,387
I said,
"OK, we've been made."

1256
01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:24,640
[Clark] They knew
what they were doing.

1257
01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:26,058
They weren't easy to follow.

1258
01:17:27,225 --> 01:17:30,187
[Nicholas] I said,
"drive over to Mill Valley."

1259
01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:34,816
And we parked behind
a row of cedars.

1260
01:17:35,233 --> 01:17:40,447
We would see the same car
driving up, driving back.

1261
01:17:41,073 --> 01:17:42,449
[Clark] They
did their tricks.

1262
01:17:42,532 --> 01:17:43,700
We did our tricks.

1263
01:17:43,825 --> 01:17:46,411
It came down to a matter
of who did their tricks better.

1264
01:17:47,287 --> 01:17:50,207
[Nicholas] I had
a sense of their timing.

1265
01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:52,959
And soon as they passed
going to the right,

1266
01:17:53,043 --> 01:17:54,419
I said, "get out of here.

1267
01:17:55,712 --> 01:17:57,881
Go left. Make your first right.

1268
01:17:57,964 --> 01:17:59,132
Make your second left.

1269
01:17:59,216 --> 01:18:00,384
Make your second right."

1270
01:18:02,094 --> 01:18:03,595
[Nancy] We just had
to go all those little

1271
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:06,223
residential areas
and go shh, shh, shh, shh.

1272
01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:10,185
[Nicholas] Get
us over the mountain.

1273
01:18:10,894 --> 01:18:12,688
And we got up there.

1274
01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:15,440
And I said, "wow, we're clean.

1275
01:18:15,524 --> 01:18:18,735
We got away.
Now we just have to figure
out where to go from here."

1276
01:18:28,370 --> 01:18:29,913
[Scully] I had heard
that Nick had vanished.

1277
01:18:30,664 --> 01:18:33,375
I told all my friends, "if you
hear from Nick,

1278
01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:35,544
please don't tell me where
he is or what he's doing,"

1279
01:18:35,627 --> 01:18:37,295
because I really don't
want to know.

1280
01:18:37,671 --> 01:18:39,381
I didn't want to be part
of whatever...

1281
01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:42,926
the next conspiracy might be.

1282
01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:52,436
My mother and my girlfriend
at the time drove me up,

1283
01:18:53,019 --> 01:18:55,897
and I took the ferry
across to the prison.

1284
01:18:57,983 --> 01:19:00,569
What I told myself
was that if all else failed,

1285
01:19:00,652 --> 01:19:03,113
I'd figure out how to escape
if I couldn't stand it.

1286
01:19:03,196 --> 01:19:06,408
But I thought I'd figure
out a way of doing the time.

1287
01:19:19,004 --> 01:19:20,630
[Nancy] Well
the plan was to drive

1288
01:19:20,714 --> 01:19:25,260
to Oregon and Washington
until Nick

1289
01:19:25,343 --> 01:19:28,930
was able to walk over
into Canada.

1290
01:19:30,265 --> 01:19:32,017
He certainly didn't
go to sleep.

1291
01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:34,478
I think we just
drove the whole time.

1292
01:19:39,816 --> 01:19:42,277
[Nicholas] We went
up on the most obscure route

1293
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,615
you could say, all the way
through the forest
for hundreds of miles,

1294
01:19:46,698 --> 01:19:48,408
up the Olympic peninsula.

1295
01:19:49,993 --> 01:19:55,290
After a few days journey, I
got some halfway decent ID.

1296
01:19:56,625 --> 01:19:58,293
Nick Sand was gone.

1297
01:20:02,005 --> 01:20:06,510
I went and bought a fishing rod
lures, weights, tackle box.

1298
01:20:08,261 --> 01:20:10,096
Now I could make my escape.

1299
01:20:12,599 --> 01:20:13,725
Good morning, sir.

1300
01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:14,768
Good morning, sir.

1301
01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:17,062
[Nicholas] When
I reached Canada,

1302
01:20:17,354 --> 01:20:20,899
a little white-haired
bouncy immigration

1303
01:20:20,982 --> 01:20:24,027
officer said, "and what
is the purpose of your
visit, sir?"

1304
01:20:24,736 --> 01:20:28,907
I had my pole and my tackle
box and my fishing jacket on.

1305
01:20:28,990 --> 01:20:31,034
And I said, "come on.

1306
01:20:31,117 --> 01:20:32,494
You got to be kidding."

1307
01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:34,663
He said, "go on.
Have a great time."

1308
01:20:51,137 --> 01:20:52,806
[Clark] I ran the fugitive
investigation on it

1309
01:20:52,889 --> 01:20:54,432
for awhile.
But we had no leads.

1310
01:20:55,433 --> 01:20:57,477
You know, the man had
had numerous names

1311
01:20:57,561 --> 01:20:59,062
and traveled all over
the world.

1312
01:21:00,397 --> 01:21:02,774
We'd hear reports
of possible sightings.

1313
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:07,696
But I don't recall that
we even came close.

1314
01:21:09,447 --> 01:21:11,825
[Nicholas] So I disappeared
and continued my mission.

1315
01:21:12,325 --> 01:21:14,452
I lived as a fugitive
in Canada.

1316
01:21:14,536 --> 01:21:16,621
And I carried on
making psychedelics

1317
01:21:16,705 --> 01:21:17,998
for the next 20 years.

1318
01:21:18,707 --> 01:21:20,959
[Clark] If anybody beat
the system it was Nick Sand.

1319
01:21:21,334 --> 01:21:22,711
[laughter]

1320
01:21:24,087 --> 01:21:27,465
[song playing]

1321
01:21:55,452 --> 01:21:58,872
[Scully] I was granted
admission as a PhD candidate,

1322
01:21:59,748 --> 01:22:01,958
so that I could be a student
while I was in prison.

1323
01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:05,754
I ended up by getting
a PhD in psychology.

1324
01:22:06,212 --> 01:22:08,590
I had a lot of help
from people on the outside

1325
01:22:08,673 --> 01:22:10,467
who got my sentence
reduced to ten years,

1326
01:22:12,469 --> 01:22:15,347
which made me eligible
for parole in three and third
years.

1327
01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:20,977
I pretty rapidly got absorbed
by the whole computer world.

1328
01:22:22,771 --> 01:22:24,898
It turned out that
having made LSD

1329
01:22:24,981 --> 01:22:28,151
was a positive thing
in the computer business.

1330
01:22:36,993 --> 01:22:40,538
[Alice] Tim and I
were lovers for a while
in late '60s.

1331
01:22:40,622 --> 01:22:43,416
And then we didn't see
one another for years.

1332
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,464
But the more the years went
by, the more mellow he became.

1333
01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:51,716
He's like a cat.

1334
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,385
You slowly get to know him.

1335
01:22:53,468 --> 01:22:56,930
A cat reveals their personality
to you rather slowly.

1336
01:22:58,348 --> 01:23:00,475
As we've gotten older,
we've figured out,

1337
01:23:00,558 --> 01:23:02,310
both of us, what we
really want,

1338
01:23:02,394 --> 01:23:06,564
which is to be partners
and lovers and not

1339
01:23:06,648 --> 01:23:08,066
to live under the same roof.

1340
01:23:08,942 --> 01:23:10,986
And that's worked
wonderfully well.

1341
01:23:21,413 --> 01:23:23,748
[Scully] I scaled
back my ambitions,

1342
01:23:23,832 --> 01:23:26,042
to trying to just
make my own life,

1343
01:23:26,876 --> 01:23:28,837
and the lives
of the people that I care

1344
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,797
about be as good as possible.

1345
01:23:34,634 --> 01:23:37,345
This is not perfect
but I'm doing the best I can.

1346
01:23:39,139 --> 01:23:40,890
That's all we can do, you know.

1347
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:05,206
Perhaps at the bottom
there are some

1348
01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:08,960
of the chemical manuals
from the different chemical
houses.

1349
01:24:10,712 --> 01:24:13,590
This, packed into the corner,
is the great big steel

1350
01:24:13,673 --> 01:24:14,799
reactionary flasks.

1351
01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:15,925
It's like a big
pressure cooker.

1352
01:24:16,009 --> 01:24:17,635
They can cook it
under pressure.

1353
01:24:19,596 --> 01:24:20,805
[Clark] I'd
forgotten about him.

1354
01:24:20,889 --> 01:24:24,434
It was a huge shock to me
the magnitudes
of the laboratory.

1355
01:24:24,934 --> 01:24:27,228
[man]
Practical LSD manufacture.

1356
01:24:28,188 --> 01:24:30,148
Drug smuggling,
the Forbidden Book.

1357
01:24:30,482 --> 01:24:31,983
[Clark] That he'd gone
that long without getting

1358
01:24:32,067 --> 01:24:34,402
caught, and then when he got
caught that he was involved

1359
01:24:34,486 --> 01:24:36,529
in such an apparently big way.

1360
01:24:38,281 --> 01:24:39,824
[man 1] Psychedelic log.

1361
01:24:40,158 --> 01:24:42,368
[man 2] MDA, DMT.

1362
01:24:42,619 --> 01:24:43,828
[man 1] Acetic acid.

1363
01:24:44,454 --> 01:24:46,956
[man 2]
I don't know if there's much
he hasn't tried his hand at.

1364
01:24:47,290 --> 01:24:48,374
[Clark] I
knew he was sharp

1365
01:24:48,458 --> 01:24:51,044
but I was still surprised.

1366
01:24:51,211 --> 01:24:52,796
-[man 1] Chromatography.
-[man 2] "Chromatography"?

1367
01:24:52,962 --> 01:24:54,130
He knows his stuff, doesn't he?

1368
01:24:54,214 --> 01:24:55,131
[man 1] Yeah.

1369
01:24:55,215 --> 01:24:57,509
[Nicholas] I was eventually
arrested with enough acid,

1370
01:24:57,926 --> 01:25:00,512
to dose the whole
of Canada two times over.

1371
01:25:00,595 --> 01:25:03,640
And they sent me back
to stand trial in the US.

1372
01:25:05,767 --> 01:25:07,727
By some great
coincidence, they got

1373
01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:10,230
me back in front of Sam Conti.

1374
01:25:11,397 --> 01:25:13,399
They brought him
out of retirement,

1375
01:25:14,317 --> 01:25:16,778
so he could get me again.

1376
01:25:20,365 --> 01:25:22,075
I'm a warrior for peace.

1377
01:25:23,326 --> 01:25:24,410
I can take it.

1378
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,997
[song playing]

1379
01:26:35,273 --> 01:26:37,567
[Scully] Sure beats working
in the yard at McNeil Island.

1380
01:26:38,359 --> 01:26:39,611
[Nicholas] That's for sure.

1381
01:26:41,029 --> 01:26:44,199
[song playing]

1382
01:29:28,988 --> 01:29:32,492
[instrumental music playing]