1 00:00:34,983 --> 00:00:36,331 Did you feel anything at all 2 00:00:36,332 --> 00:00:39,769 about the little red room downstairs? 3 00:00:39,770 --> 00:00:42,685 That was like a secret room. 4 00:00:42,686 --> 00:00:45,209 And that was described as 5 00:00:45,210 --> 00:00:47,385 the gateway to hell. 6 00:00:47,386 --> 00:00:49,779 If the red room is there, 7 00:00:49,780 --> 00:00:51,912 then there really is something supernatural 8 00:00:51,913 --> 00:00:53,827 or satanic about the house. 9 00:00:53,828 --> 00:00:55,306 I'm not sure. 10 00:00:55,307 --> 00:00:58,920 I think it was just a concrete wall painted red. 11 00:01:04,142 --> 00:01:06,056 My name is Patty Commarato. 12 00:01:06,057 --> 00:01:07,971 I was friends with Allison DeFeo, 13 00:01:07,972 --> 00:01:10,278 the girl who was murdered with the rest of her family 14 00:01:10,279 --> 00:01:12,106 here in 1974. 15 00:01:12,107 --> 00:01:14,108 This is the red room. 16 00:01:14,109 --> 00:01:16,153 Nothing more than a storage area 17 00:01:16,154 --> 00:01:19,896 where Allison and her brothers and I used to keep toys. 18 00:01:19,897 --> 00:01:22,159 Just red, you know? 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,512 There's never any feeling of spirit presence or ghosts 20 00:01:27,513 --> 00:01:30,168 or any sort of thing like that. 21 00:01:52,277 --> 00:01:54,279 Get out. 22 00:03:14,229 --> 00:03:15,838 Haven't you made a lot of money 23 00:03:15,839 --> 00:03:18,319 out of this story, whether it is true or not, 24 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,148 to the point where people might well say 25 00:03:21,149 --> 00:03:22,497 they can't properly judge it 26 00:03:22,498 --> 00:03:25,456 because it's been a profit-making enterprise 27 00:03:25,457 --> 00:03:27,023 to tell the story? 28 00:03:27,024 --> 00:03:29,025 We didn't write the book. 29 00:03:29,026 --> 00:03:30,374 But are you not involved in the profits 30 00:03:30,375 --> 00:03:31,898 of the book in some way? 31 00:03:31,899 --> 00:03:33,464 We're involved with 32 00:03:33,465 --> 00:03:38,252 the author, Jay Anson, on profits. 33 00:03:38,253 --> 00:03:40,994 There is also... 34 00:03:40,995 --> 00:03:46,216 We've been accused on occasion of fabricating a hoax. 35 00:03:46,217 --> 00:03:50,481 And it's very hard to live a lie. 36 00:03:50,482 --> 00:03:54,442 To daily come up against people who point a finger and say, 37 00:03:54,443 --> 00:03:56,226 "This can't be. 38 00:03:56,227 --> 00:03:59,534 "You went and you bought this house 39 00:03:59,535 --> 00:04:01,101 "just to make a book, 40 00:04:01,102 --> 00:04:04,582 "to take your children and to put them into this 41 00:04:04,583 --> 00:04:07,281 "and to stand them up in front of the public 42 00:04:07,282 --> 00:04:09,065 "and let the public ridicule them 43 00:04:09,066 --> 00:04:12,330 for the rest of their lives for a few dollars." No. 44 00:04:18,380 --> 00:04:21,425 Our parents sold us out for $275 a head 45 00:04:21,426 --> 00:04:25,386 for the children to be depicted in the film. 46 00:04:25,387 --> 00:04:29,216 George became obsessed with this moneymaking venture 47 00:04:29,217 --> 00:04:32,088 from this Amityville story. 48 00:04:32,089 --> 00:04:36,528 And he felt that it was fine to add fiction to it. 49 00:04:37,965 --> 00:04:40,053 But I know what happened. 50 00:04:40,054 --> 00:04:42,011 You don't get to play it off like 51 00:04:42,012 --> 00:04:46,015 you were a hero to the family 52 00:04:46,016 --> 00:04:48,889 when you're a perpetrator. 53 00:04:59,073 --> 00:05:03,728 In my closet, there was a paneling 54 00:05:03,729 --> 00:05:09,430 that revealed an area behind the wall. 55 00:05:09,431 --> 00:05:12,476 That would have been where Ronald DeFeo hid 56 00:05:12,477 --> 00:05:18,221 the things that he was trying to hide from his parents. 57 00:05:18,222 --> 00:05:23,226 Looking in there, there was two bags of capsules, 58 00:05:23,227 --> 00:05:26,142 pills. 59 00:05:26,143 --> 00:05:28,362 Exactly what kind they were, 60 00:05:28,363 --> 00:05:29,972 I didn't find out 61 00:05:29,973 --> 00:05:35,978 until questioning George way later in life. 62 00:05:35,979 --> 00:05:38,763 And he was really surprised that I remembered. 63 00:05:38,764 --> 00:05:40,636 He said they were quaaludes. 64 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:46,423 So now, I don't know how quaaludes... 65 00:05:46,424 --> 00:05:48,251 I've never taken them, so I don't know exactly 66 00:05:48,252 --> 00:05:50,253 how they'd react on the body... 67 00:05:50,254 --> 00:05:52,168 But I do know this: 68 00:05:52,169 --> 00:05:56,347 George had a very different change in his demeanor... 69 00:05:59,785 --> 00:06:03,005 where he no longer went into work, 70 00:06:03,006 --> 00:06:07,531 he no longer was doing personal care. 71 00:06:07,532 --> 00:06:10,273 He became obsessed with just sitting around the fire 72 00:06:10,274 --> 00:06:13,668 and obsessed with his boats and his boathouse. 73 00:06:13,669 --> 00:06:17,020 And so to me, that sounds like a drug binge. 74 00:06:18,543 --> 00:06:21,589 Mama! 75 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:24,636 Oh, mama! Mama! 76 00:06:43,481 --> 00:06:46,353 We were going to do a sequel 77 00:06:46,354 --> 00:06:48,746 to The Amityville Horror. 78 00:06:48,747 --> 00:06:50,096 We're going to do a second book, 79 00:06:50,097 --> 00:06:52,489 absolutely non-fiction. 80 00:06:52,490 --> 00:06:56,232 We spent the money that we made from the first book 81 00:06:56,233 --> 00:07:00,497 and from the movie to hire the writer John Jones. 82 00:07:00,498 --> 00:07:03,500 And then subsequently go back and interview 83 00:07:03,501 --> 00:07:05,241 all the other people that had helped us 84 00:07:05,242 --> 00:07:08,201 and had been involved with us 85 00:07:08,202 --> 00:07:10,551 while we were in the house and afterwards, 86 00:07:10,552 --> 00:07:13,293 telling their stories. 87 00:07:13,294 --> 00:07:15,382 George hired a ghostwriter 88 00:07:15,383 --> 00:07:16,513 for the second book. 89 00:07:16,514 --> 00:07:18,428 And he wanted me to come out 90 00:07:18,429 --> 00:07:21,692 and help with all of that. 91 00:07:21,693 --> 00:07:24,653 And that's when I moved out to San Diego. 92 00:07:29,614 --> 00:07:32,703 George and Kathy wanted my recollections 93 00:07:32,704 --> 00:07:36,446 of all these things that had transpired. 94 00:07:36,447 --> 00:07:39,493 I actually went out to California. 95 00:07:39,494 --> 00:07:41,364 It turns out, 96 00:07:41,365 --> 00:07:43,366 George seemed to think that 97 00:07:43,367 --> 00:07:45,586 whatever type of entity was in the house 98 00:07:45,587 --> 00:07:47,370 followed them to California. 99 00:07:47,371 --> 00:07:49,764 And he said to me, "Well, when we were on the plane 100 00:07:49,765 --> 00:07:52,506 "going to San Diego, Missy was sitting there 101 00:07:52,507 --> 00:07:54,683 "and said, 'Oh, look, Jody is on the wing.'" 102 00:08:01,777 --> 00:08:07,260 Missy had a very high degree of sensitivity. 103 00:08:07,261 --> 00:08:10,698 She truly believed that they were little playmates 104 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:13,396 that were there. 105 00:08:13,397 --> 00:08:15,485 It was... it was frightening. 106 00:08:15,486 --> 00:08:20,622 It was very, very, very, very frightening. 107 00:08:23,538 --> 00:08:26,366 The Warrens became a part of our lives. 108 00:08:26,367 --> 00:08:28,585 They'd visit us out in... Out in California 109 00:08:28,586 --> 00:08:30,631 when we were living there. 110 00:08:30,632 --> 00:08:33,286 And the Warrens started testing us kids 111 00:08:33,287 --> 00:08:36,594 for psychic abilities. 112 00:08:39,641 --> 00:08:43,774 We were walking alone with the children. 113 00:08:43,775 --> 00:08:48,605 And those innocent little kids were relating to us 114 00:08:48,606 --> 00:08:51,739 without us asking questions 115 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:55,831 about things that occurred to them in that house. 116 00:09:02,316 --> 00:09:03,620 I remember Father Ray 117 00:09:03,621 --> 00:09:06,797 coming to California one time. 118 00:09:06,798 --> 00:09:09,496 It was Father Ray that suggested that we move out of 119 00:09:09,497 --> 00:09:12,194 the Amityville house. 120 00:09:12,195 --> 00:09:14,457 I felt safe around him. 121 00:09:14,458 --> 00:09:17,417 I remember I just ran to him and jumped at him 122 00:09:17,418 --> 00:09:21,334 and he picked me up and I... I just wept. 123 00:09:21,335 --> 00:09:25,903 I remember George asking later, "Why'd you cry?" 124 00:09:25,904 --> 00:09:27,731 I did ask Father Ray, 125 00:09:27,732 --> 00:09:31,300 "Did you hear a disembodied voice 126 00:09:31,301 --> 00:09:33,476 "telling you to get out? 127 00:09:33,477 --> 00:09:36,610 "Did you feel something smack you in the face? 128 00:09:36,611 --> 00:09:37,959 Did that happen?" 129 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,701 And he said "Yes, that did happen. 130 00:09:40,702 --> 00:09:42,224 That's accurate." 131 00:09:42,225 --> 00:09:44,227 Get out. 132 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,664 Get out! 133 00:09:47,665 --> 00:09:49,666 I vaguely remember it. 134 00:09:49,667 --> 00:09:51,886 I remember James Brolin, that's the main thing, 135 00:09:51,887 --> 00:09:55,237 and flies or something like that. 136 00:09:55,238 --> 00:09:57,326 Well, it was a haunted house movie. 137 00:09:57,327 --> 00:10:00,896 So for me, it's how well is it done? 138 00:10:03,812 --> 00:10:08,859 Haunted house movies, they began in France. 139 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:13,516 I guess the earliest was George Méliès, 140 00:10:13,517 --> 00:10:15,953 1890s, 141 00:10:15,954 --> 00:10:20,480 and they've always been with us. 142 00:10:20,481 --> 00:10:22,830 It's always the same kind of basic story. 143 00:10:22,831 --> 00:10:24,788 House is haunted. 144 00:10:24,789 --> 00:10:26,790 People come in. 145 00:10:26,791 --> 00:10:28,618 They get terrorized. 146 00:10:28,619 --> 00:10:31,012 They don't leave like normal people would, 147 00:10:31,013 --> 00:10:32,841 they stay like movie people do. 148 00:10:36,932 --> 00:10:40,762 Horror is a great allegorical genre. 149 00:10:43,330 --> 00:10:46,506 Everybody is afraid in the entire world. 150 00:10:46,507 --> 00:10:47,986 We're born afraid. 151 00:10:50,902 --> 00:10:53,382 We are afraid of the same things. 152 00:10:53,383 --> 00:10:55,559 It's a universal feeling. 153 00:10:57,605 --> 00:11:01,738 Humor changes sometimes from country to country. 154 00:11:01,739 --> 00:11:03,436 The horror never changes. 155 00:11:03,437 --> 00:11:07,571 It's a powerful medium when it's done right. 156 00:11:15,318 --> 00:11:18,973 Part of where the title Get Out came from, 157 00:11:18,974 --> 00:11:21,715 this goes back to the old Eddie Murphy routine. 158 00:11:21,716 --> 00:11:23,456 In The Amityville Horror, the ghost told them 159 00:11:23,457 --> 00:11:24,805 to get out the house. 160 00:11:24,806 --> 00:11:26,546 White people stayed in there. 161 00:11:26,547 --> 00:11:29,462 Now that's a hint and a half for your ass. 162 00:11:29,463 --> 00:11:30,854 A ghost say get the fuck out, 163 00:11:30,855 --> 00:11:33,074 I would just tip the fuck out the door. 164 00:11:33,075 --> 00:11:36,425 And he did this Amityville bit of like, "Get out." 165 00:11:36,426 --> 00:11:37,948 We got a chandelier hanging up here, 166 00:11:37,949 --> 00:11:40,734 kids outside playing, it's a beautiful neighborhood. 167 00:11:40,735 --> 00:11:41,735 We ain't got nothing to worry... I really love... 168 00:11:41,736 --> 00:11:42,997 This is really nice... 169 00:11:42,998 --> 00:11:45,000 "Get out." Too bad we can't stay, baby. 170 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,446 I'm wondering if you ever saw 171 00:11:57,447 --> 00:11:58,969 Amityville II: The Possession? 172 00:11:58,970 --> 00:12:01,798 Please no, please. 173 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:04,453 Please, please. 174 00:12:04,454 --> 00:12:05,802 No, life's too short for some of this. 175 00:12:05,803 --> 00:12:08,632 Now, come on. 176 00:12:37,574 --> 00:12:40,141 I guess the light's changing, right? 177 00:12:40,142 --> 00:12:41,490 Let me know when you're ready. 178 00:12:41,491 --> 00:12:43,492 I'm gonna just stick this back there. 179 00:12:43,493 --> 00:12:45,668 Sound is speeding. 180 00:12:45,669 --> 00:12:48,062 Diane Franklin interview, take one. 181 00:12:48,063 --> 00:12:50,412 - It's changing, right? - Yep. 182 00:12:50,413 --> 00:12:51,371 Thank you. 183 00:12:55,505 --> 00:12:57,071 My name is Diane Franklin. 184 00:12:57,072 --> 00:12:59,552 And I was the actress who played the daughter 185 00:12:59,553 --> 00:13:02,077 in the film Amityville II: The Possession. 186 00:13:03,818 --> 00:13:07,081 The film is about a young family 187 00:13:07,082 --> 00:13:08,865 that moves to the suburbs 188 00:13:08,866 --> 00:13:10,737 trying to start a new life. 189 00:13:10,738 --> 00:13:13,000 I played Patricia Montelli, 190 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:16,090 based on Dawn DeFeo. 191 00:13:16,091 --> 00:13:17,831 The minute they come into the house, 192 00:13:17,832 --> 00:13:21,574 there is an energy that is not normal. 193 00:13:21,575 --> 00:13:22,750 Take off your nightgown. 194 00:13:26,188 --> 00:13:27,493 There. 195 00:13:27,494 --> 00:13:29,712 And with that story, 196 00:13:29,713 --> 00:13:31,671 I don't think anyone 197 00:13:31,672 --> 00:13:36,023 has tackled the subject of incest that real. 198 00:13:36,024 --> 00:13:39,722 The stories of the brother who takes on this energy, 199 00:13:39,723 --> 00:13:44,119 taking on the poison of the family and the household. 200 00:13:47,557 --> 00:13:50,559 She sees this monster about to shoot her 201 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:53,867 and she believes he won't shoot me, he loves me. 202 00:13:53,868 --> 00:13:54,912 What are you doing? 203 00:13:58,481 --> 00:13:59,829 And if you just look from where you are 204 00:13:59,830 --> 00:14:02,745 and just look at my hand, it's out of the shot. 205 00:14:02,746 --> 00:14:04,747 - So look out the window again. - Right. 206 00:14:04,748 --> 00:14:06,488 And just turn to look at my hand. 207 00:14:06,489 --> 00:14:07,447 Just keep it there. 208 00:14:09,623 --> 00:14:11,711 Okay, and then walk to you. 209 00:14:11,712 --> 00:14:13,453 And then just walk towards me. 210 00:14:15,019 --> 00:14:16,759 Because of Amityville Horror, 211 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,196 I don't believe I'll ever get out of prison. 212 00:14:19,197 --> 00:14:21,851 You know, they made a monster out of me. 213 00:14:21,852 --> 00:14:23,505 And the public is terrified of me 214 00:14:23,506 --> 00:14:25,943 and they don't want me back out on the street. 215 00:14:30,774 --> 00:14:33,602 I spent the years 2004 to 2007 216 00:14:33,603 --> 00:14:37,606 in prison with Ronnie DeFeo. 217 00:14:37,607 --> 00:14:40,130 In prison, they show a lot of movies. 218 00:14:40,131 --> 00:14:43,003 But they never showed any of the Amityville Horror movies 219 00:14:43,004 --> 00:14:45,788 in Green Haven because Ronnie was there. 220 00:14:45,789 --> 00:14:48,095 And Ronnie would have made a big old stink 221 00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:51,578 about how showing the movie would put him in danger. 222 00:14:54,668 --> 00:14:58,540 He also blamed them for his parole problems. 223 00:14:58,541 --> 00:15:00,586 An Amityville Horror movie came out at the same time 224 00:15:00,587 --> 00:15:02,283 as his parole hearing. 225 00:15:02,284 --> 00:15:04,067 And he claimed that this made it 226 00:15:04,068 --> 00:15:06,592 absolutely impossible for him to get a fair hearing. 227 00:15:06,593 --> 00:15:09,900 And that's why he was denied parole. 228 00:15:13,687 --> 00:15:15,557 It's all because of those fucking movies, 229 00:15:15,558 --> 00:15:18,778 not because he had killed six people. 230 00:15:18,779 --> 00:15:20,214 You want me to look out the window first 231 00:15:20,215 --> 00:15:21,998 and look at Neil's hand and then walk into Neil. 232 00:15:21,999 --> 00:15:23,217 When he first told me 233 00:15:23,218 --> 00:15:25,611 that the mob rubbed out his family, 234 00:15:25,612 --> 00:15:28,962 I of course nodded and said, "Sorry that happened." 235 00:15:28,963 --> 00:15:31,573 It took about a little over a year 236 00:15:31,574 --> 00:15:33,140 for him to start telling me a different story. 237 00:15:33,141 --> 00:15:34,837 And go. 238 00:15:34,838 --> 00:15:36,839 Ronnie talked to me in a hushed voice 239 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,147 and he said, "You know, it's really fucked up. 240 00:15:40,148 --> 00:15:42,976 "My sister, Dawn, 241 00:15:42,977 --> 00:15:44,760 "murdered my family. 242 00:15:44,761 --> 00:15:47,328 "The only way I survived was by 243 00:15:47,329 --> 00:15:49,678 "taking the gun away and shooting her. 244 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:51,158 "It was the worst thing I ever did. 245 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:52,203 It was horrible." 246 00:15:54,249 --> 00:15:56,685 I heard a roar. You know, it was a gunshot. 247 00:15:56,686 --> 00:15:58,687 It was loud. 248 00:15:58,688 --> 00:16:01,951 I soon entered my father's room. 249 00:16:01,952 --> 00:16:06,956 I pushed the light button on the wall there. 250 00:16:06,957 --> 00:16:09,393 I saw a hole in my father's back... one hole. 251 00:16:09,394 --> 00:16:11,221 I ran across the hallway, right? 252 00:16:11,222 --> 00:16:13,702 And I saw my little sister there, 253 00:16:13,703 --> 00:16:15,965 you know. 254 00:16:15,966 --> 00:16:18,054 I started really getting crazy there, you know. 255 00:16:18,055 --> 00:16:21,101 I saw her... with her head, you know... 256 00:16:21,102 --> 00:16:22,668 Blood running down the side of her head. 257 00:16:22,669 --> 00:16:24,234 I ran upstairs then. 258 00:16:24,235 --> 00:16:27,324 The only one alive in the house was my sister. 259 00:16:27,325 --> 00:16:29,065 I went off. 260 00:16:29,066 --> 00:16:30,763 I threw her across the room. 261 00:16:30,764 --> 00:16:32,852 She went flying, landed in the bed on her stomach. 262 00:16:32,853 --> 00:16:34,201 That's when I grabbed the rifle. 263 00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:36,638 It was all one big motion. 264 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:37,944 I... I killed her. 265 00:16:37,945 --> 00:16:41,121 I shot my sister in the head. 266 00:16:41,122 --> 00:16:42,731 Like I say, I just lost it. 267 00:16:42,732 --> 00:16:44,299 It just happened so quick, I lost it. 268 00:16:52,350 --> 00:16:56,745 Over the years, Ron DeFeo had several versions of 269 00:16:56,746 --> 00:17:00,314 how his sister, Dawn, was one of the shooters. 270 00:17:00,315 --> 00:17:02,751 And this story changed over the decades. 271 00:17:02,752 --> 00:17:06,276 It wasn't just one "Dawn was involved" story. 272 00:17:06,277 --> 00:17:08,714 My father writes in his book that 273 00:17:08,715 --> 00:17:10,759 he characterizes the accusation that 274 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,198 Dawn was one of the killers as preposterous. 275 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:29,125 He thought that it was unlikely that 276 00:17:29,126 --> 00:17:33,695 a young woman who had no known experience with firearms 277 00:17:33,696 --> 00:17:36,959 would be able to so expertly move from room to room 278 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,180 and in close range, with just a shot or two, 279 00:17:40,181 --> 00:17:42,008 kill her siblings. 280 00:17:42,009 --> 00:17:45,752 So my father did not believe the "Dawn is involved" story. 281 00:17:47,928 --> 00:17:49,972 When I heard him accuse Dawn 282 00:17:49,973 --> 00:17:51,408 of being part of the murders, 283 00:17:51,409 --> 00:17:53,976 I was just astounded. 284 00:17:53,977 --> 00:17:56,239 And I thought, "How dare you?" 285 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,807 She did not have that in her heart. 286 00:17:58,808 --> 00:18:01,419 She loved her parents. She loved her siblings. 287 00:18:03,944 --> 00:18:06,162 He was just trying to deflect, I think. 288 00:18:06,163 --> 00:18:09,818 Yeah, I just knew that he was full of shit. 289 00:18:09,819 --> 00:18:13,039 I read about the sequel, The Possession. 290 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,389 I was so incensed. And I'm trying to remember now. 291 00:18:15,390 --> 00:18:16,825 I'm pretty sure that was the one where 292 00:18:16,826 --> 00:18:18,740 they tried to now introduce the idea that 293 00:18:18,741 --> 00:18:20,524 there might have been some incest. 294 00:18:20,525 --> 00:18:22,875 And I said this is absolutely now obscene. 295 00:18:22,876 --> 00:18:26,922 They want to make a movie about whatever that's not true, 296 00:18:26,923 --> 00:18:28,402 you know, call it something else even. 297 00:18:28,403 --> 00:18:30,144 At that point, it's really so exploitative. 298 00:18:45,855 --> 00:18:48,030 The Possession shows the ways in which that story 299 00:18:48,031 --> 00:18:51,207 got out of the Lutz's hands. 300 00:18:51,208 --> 00:18:53,775 The sequel wildly fabricates things 301 00:18:53,776 --> 00:18:56,952 because that's what we do with stories like this. 302 00:18:56,953 --> 00:18:59,781 You can't tell the story in a strictly factual way 303 00:18:59,782 --> 00:19:01,870 because no one... no one really wants to see that. 304 00:19:01,871 --> 00:19:03,393 What was in this house? 305 00:19:03,394 --> 00:19:05,221 No. 306 00:19:05,222 --> 00:19:07,180 What evil could drive their son to madness 307 00:19:07,181 --> 00:19:09,182 and destroy everything and everyone he loved? 308 00:19:09,183 --> 00:19:10,923 Mommy! 309 00:19:10,924 --> 00:19:12,315 Dino De Laurentiis put out a movie called 310 00:19:12,316 --> 00:19:14,056 Amityville Horror II, 311 00:19:14,057 --> 00:19:15,884 which they eventually changed to Amityville II 312 00:19:15,885 --> 00:19:17,364 and did it without our permission. 313 00:19:17,365 --> 00:19:21,411 Amityville II: The Possession. 314 00:19:21,412 --> 00:19:25,154 And that became a 12, 13-year lawsuit. 315 00:19:25,155 --> 00:19:26,460 So even if you have the rights, 316 00:19:26,461 --> 00:19:28,288 even if you're trying to do this 317 00:19:28,289 --> 00:19:30,072 the best way you possibly can 318 00:19:30,073 --> 00:19:32,596 and fix the stuff that's been wrong or been said wrong, 319 00:19:32,597 --> 00:19:34,948 things will come along and keep you from doing that. 320 00:19:50,093 --> 00:19:52,965 I remember as a kid being in school 321 00:19:52,966 --> 00:19:55,837 and we were asked what our parents do for a living. 322 00:19:55,838 --> 00:19:58,274 I didn't even know what they did for a living. 323 00:19:58,275 --> 00:19:59,928 I remember asking George. 324 00:19:59,929 --> 00:20:01,277 And he said "I'm a writer." 325 00:20:01,278 --> 00:20:03,192 And I said, "What do you write about?" 326 00:20:03,193 --> 00:20:05,847 And he said, "Things that happened." 327 00:20:05,848 --> 00:20:07,283 And that was where he left it. 328 00:20:07,284 --> 00:20:11,853 Amityville became George's whole project. 329 00:20:11,854 --> 00:20:13,115 It was his business. 330 00:20:13,116 --> 00:20:15,204 He kept the publicity up. 331 00:20:15,205 --> 00:20:16,858 That was his way of working. 332 00:20:16,859 --> 00:20:19,383 He supported his family with Amityville. 333 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:23,299 The progression that George went through 334 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:26,563 was like, very obsessive 335 00:20:26,564 --> 00:20:29,262 of the notoriety 336 00:20:29,263 --> 00:20:33,005 and getting out there and his public image. 337 00:20:33,006 --> 00:20:35,094 Behind closed doors, he was a very different guy 338 00:20:35,095 --> 00:20:39,315 than what he was portraying publicly. 339 00:20:39,316 --> 00:20:42,362 I asked Kathy a couple of times about the children. 340 00:20:42,363 --> 00:20:46,409 And she told me that she was trying to 341 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:50,544 shelter them from everything that was going on. 342 00:20:50,545 --> 00:20:52,328 But I didn't think, at that point, 343 00:20:52,329 --> 00:20:54,156 they were being sheltered. 344 00:20:54,157 --> 00:20:56,202 It was just too public. 345 00:20:56,203 --> 00:20:57,986 And when it happens to a family, 346 00:20:57,987 --> 00:21:01,033 usually they close the door and they don't talk about it. 347 00:21:01,034 --> 00:21:03,122 Yeah. 348 00:21:03,123 --> 00:21:05,689 And unless these things are talked about, 349 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:08,344 they'll never be understood. 350 00:21:08,345 --> 00:21:10,390 When you would talk to the family and the kids 351 00:21:10,391 --> 00:21:13,654 and I would ask them questions, 352 00:21:13,655 --> 00:21:16,352 they would not go, "Well, um..." 353 00:21:16,353 --> 00:21:18,050 They'd have the answer right now, 354 00:21:18,051 --> 00:21:20,922 like they'd been schooled. 355 00:21:20,923 --> 00:21:22,924 I listened to James Brolin talk 356 00:21:22,925 --> 00:21:24,317 about how he met the kids 357 00:21:24,318 --> 00:21:27,320 and they sounded like they were coached. 358 00:21:27,321 --> 00:21:29,713 We were in a situation where 359 00:21:29,714 --> 00:21:31,585 if we weren't on our best behavior, 360 00:21:31,586 --> 00:21:33,500 we were gonna get the shit knocked out of us 361 00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:35,415 when we got home. 362 00:21:35,416 --> 00:21:37,547 So to say that we were coached, 363 00:21:37,548 --> 00:21:40,028 the guy doesn't know what we were going through. 364 00:21:40,029 --> 00:21:41,943 Ooh, "big star." 365 00:21:41,944 --> 00:21:44,380 Okay, so you made your name off of that movie. 366 00:21:44,381 --> 00:21:46,427 You didn't live it. 367 00:21:47,297 --> 00:21:50,952 George was a former Marine, a black belt in jujitsu. 368 00:21:50,953 --> 00:21:53,042 I had no defense against him. 369 00:22:04,271 --> 00:22:06,968 So George believed that, 370 00:22:06,969 --> 00:22:09,667 with my mind, I could make him ill... 371 00:22:12,018 --> 00:22:15,064 even to the point where... 372 00:22:17,153 --> 00:22:18,719 he thought he was gonna die. 373 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,374 And he came in and he started beating the shit out of me 374 00:22:21,375 --> 00:22:24,944 for my thoughts. 375 00:22:26,684 --> 00:22:28,990 Killing him through telepathy was just 376 00:22:28,991 --> 00:22:31,646 so fucking fucked up, man. 377 00:22:35,737 --> 00:22:38,173 And I really didn't plan on talking about that. 378 00:22:38,174 --> 00:22:40,481 I need a minute, man. 379 00:22:45,094 --> 00:22:46,966 Holy fuck. 380 00:22:53,668 --> 00:22:57,410 If the Warrens found that Christopher, in a sense, 381 00:22:57,411 --> 00:22:59,629 has some psychic ability, 382 00:22:59,630 --> 00:23:03,242 I can see where one step could lead to another. 383 00:23:03,243 --> 00:23:05,592 Because George, he was afraid that 384 00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:08,073 Christopher took the evil with him, 385 00:23:08,074 --> 00:23:10,206 was possessed by the evil. 386 00:23:12,165 --> 00:23:16,603 George was kind of constantly haunted. 387 00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:18,605 He would hear voices. 388 00:23:18,606 --> 00:23:21,521 We would be driving somewhere 389 00:23:21,522 --> 00:23:24,480 and he would turn around while he was driving 390 00:23:24,481 --> 00:23:28,658 and yell at something in the back of the car. 391 00:23:28,659 --> 00:23:31,183 He would be sitting in the room, 392 00:23:31,184 --> 00:23:34,142 and all of a sudden, 393 00:23:34,143 --> 00:23:37,712 he'd get up and start screaming at something... 394 00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:43,673 telling these spirits or whatever that was haunting him 395 00:23:43,674 --> 00:23:48,635 to go away, to not bother him. 396 00:23:48,636 --> 00:23:50,724 It gets to the point where you're convinced that 397 00:23:50,725 --> 00:23:54,163 there is evil, there is something there. 398 00:23:56,252 --> 00:23:59,864 It kind of felt like George was acting possessed. 399 00:24:05,087 --> 00:24:09,090 I had found out I was pregnant with my first child. 400 00:24:09,091 --> 00:24:11,527 And I didn't want my unborn child 401 00:24:11,528 --> 00:24:14,400 to have to experience anything like that. 402 00:24:14,401 --> 00:24:16,793 I was just frightened by it. 403 00:24:16,794 --> 00:24:20,101 I went back home to Brooklyn. 404 00:24:20,102 --> 00:24:23,104 I don't want anything to do with Amityville at all. 405 00:24:23,105 --> 00:24:25,324 I don't want anything to do with the Lutzes. 406 00:24:25,325 --> 00:24:29,763 And just... I never contacted 407 00:24:29,764 --> 00:24:32,114 George and Kathy again after that. 408 00:24:47,564 --> 00:24:49,130 Book number two 409 00:24:49,131 --> 00:24:51,393 that he authorized to have written, 410 00:24:51,394 --> 00:24:55,181 it talks about how he had to go through an exorcism. 411 00:25:06,844 --> 00:25:08,410 In London, England, 412 00:25:08,411 --> 00:25:10,282 the Archbishop of Canterbury's exorcist, 413 00:25:10,283 --> 00:25:12,806 Reverend Neil Smith, 414 00:25:12,807 --> 00:25:16,157 he performed for us what some people would call an exorcism. 415 00:25:16,158 --> 00:25:18,334 I'd call it more of a blessing. 416 00:25:20,423 --> 00:25:21,902 But it was a rite of separation 417 00:25:21,903 --> 00:25:23,860 in the Anglican church. 418 00:25:23,861 --> 00:25:25,949 And it was a separation from the house, 419 00:25:25,950 --> 00:25:28,517 from the effects of the house. 420 00:25:28,518 --> 00:25:29,953 He looked right at Kathy and said, 421 00:25:29,954 --> 00:25:32,304 "You're still affected by this." 422 00:25:32,305 --> 00:25:35,263 Beat down Satan under our feet 423 00:25:35,264 --> 00:25:40,443 and cause all evil forces to depart! 424 00:25:42,532 --> 00:25:44,316 I've personally observed exorcism 425 00:25:44,317 --> 00:25:48,972 both in Catholic circles and evangelical ones. 426 00:25:48,973 --> 00:25:53,586 Exorcism can function as a placebo ritual. 427 00:25:53,587 --> 00:25:56,328 And that that is then going to aid them 428 00:25:56,329 --> 00:25:58,243 in their feeling of recovery, 429 00:25:58,244 --> 00:26:00,984 and it actually will produce a physical sensation 430 00:26:00,985 --> 00:26:05,251 that could, in a way, improve their condition. 431 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,439 You don't need an exorcism 432 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,616 because you lived in a haunted house. 433 00:26:23,617 --> 00:26:27,229 You get an exorcism because you've got demons. 434 00:26:29,579 --> 00:26:31,232 What is it like to live with a man 435 00:26:31,233 --> 00:26:33,321 that's in need of an exorcism 436 00:26:33,322 --> 00:26:35,018 that's your stepdad 437 00:26:35,019 --> 00:26:37,630 who's treating you like a stepson 438 00:26:37,631 --> 00:26:40,503 that doesn't care who the hell you are? 439 00:26:42,679 --> 00:26:44,680 Christopher was always looking over his shoulder, 440 00:26:44,681 --> 00:26:47,292 like, "Oh, I better not say anything I'm not supposed to 441 00:26:47,293 --> 00:26:49,859 or I'll get in trouble." 442 00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:53,733 The thing that really struck me most was that 443 00:26:53,734 --> 00:26:56,605 Danny would just glare at George. 444 00:26:56,606 --> 00:27:00,696 He did not hide his feelings. 445 00:27:00,697 --> 00:27:02,698 If looks could kill, 446 00:27:02,699 --> 00:27:04,961 I mean, he would have had laser beams towards George 447 00:27:04,962 --> 00:27:08,530 coming out of both eyes. 448 00:27:08,531 --> 00:27:11,359 Kathy had, from what I know, 449 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,709 an abusive first husband. 450 00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:18,801 And it left her as a divorced woman in the '70s 451 00:27:18,802 --> 00:27:21,064 with three children, which, at that time, 452 00:27:21,065 --> 00:27:24,981 it was not exactly looked well upon. 453 00:27:24,982 --> 00:27:29,812 So when George came along and was willing to accept her 454 00:27:29,813 --> 00:27:32,902 and the children, it was wonderful, 455 00:27:32,903 --> 00:27:34,556 from her point of view, 456 00:27:34,557 --> 00:27:38,386 that somebody wanted to make them a family again. 457 00:27:38,387 --> 00:27:40,475 And she did everything she could 458 00:27:40,476 --> 00:27:42,347 to keep the marriage together 459 00:27:42,348 --> 00:27:44,872 because of the children. 460 00:27:47,004 --> 00:27:48,440 But you said you and Kathy 461 00:27:48,441 --> 00:27:50,529 weren't together anymore. 462 00:27:50,530 --> 00:27:55,316 And I was wondering if you can say when you divorced and why, 463 00:27:55,317 --> 00:27:57,013 if it had anything to do with this or... 464 00:27:57,014 --> 00:27:59,755 The reasons we got divorced are really personal. 465 00:27:59,756 --> 00:28:05,370 We went in separate directions about exposing the house. 466 00:28:05,371 --> 00:28:07,589 As far as Kathy is concerned, 467 00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:11,506 her point is that she only wants to deal with 468 00:28:11,507 --> 00:28:12,768 the nonfiction part 469 00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:14,683 and does not believe that 470 00:28:14,684 --> 00:28:16,991 fiction also helps to do that. 471 00:28:20,429 --> 00:28:21,995 My mom became ill. 472 00:28:21,996 --> 00:28:26,086 She had a medical condition and she needed help. 473 00:28:26,087 --> 00:28:28,131 I took up residence with her, 474 00:28:28,132 --> 00:28:31,484 started to care for her until her death. 475 00:28:37,141 --> 00:28:38,577 That was when I decided to 476 00:28:38,578 --> 00:28:40,970 change my name back to Quaratino. 477 00:28:40,971 --> 00:28:44,887 And so for several years, I got to enjoy the anonymity 478 00:28:44,888 --> 00:28:48,370 of not being associated with that story anymore. 479 00:28:51,721 --> 00:28:54,636 And then one day, I got a phone call. 480 00:28:54,637 --> 00:28:56,682 And that's when I found out that 481 00:28:56,683 --> 00:28:58,553 George was getting ready to make another movie. 482 00:28:58,554 --> 00:29:00,163 Next year, there will finally be 483 00:29:00,164 --> 00:29:03,384 an authorized sequel of sorts, 484 00:29:03,385 --> 00:29:05,473 Amityville Horror: 25 Years Later. 485 00:29:05,474 --> 00:29:08,433 - Is it real? - Yes, it's in production now. 486 00:29:08,434 --> 00:29:10,696 And you're the first people I'm telling in the media. 487 00:29:10,697 --> 00:29:12,785 And then I find out that George's movie 488 00:29:12,786 --> 00:29:14,917 is gonna be about a Lutz son returning to the house 489 00:29:14,918 --> 00:29:16,615 25 years later, 490 00:29:16,616 --> 00:29:19,139 killing him through telepathy in the end of the movie. 491 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:21,882 So I did whatever I could to, like, stop what he was doing. 492 00:29:24,841 --> 00:29:26,713 I took to the internet. 493 00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:32,674 AmityvilleHorror.com became available 494 00:29:32,675 --> 00:29:35,851 and I scooped it up. 495 00:29:35,852 --> 00:29:42,075 He sued me for what he said was a trademark violation. 496 00:29:42,076 --> 00:29:45,861 I can't say that what I had done actually stopped it, 497 00:29:45,862 --> 00:29:51,867 but I was making as much of a ruckus about it as I could. 498 00:29:51,868 --> 00:29:55,610 All in favor, sign up on my Facebook page 499 00:29:55,611 --> 00:29:59,875 and let's make history. 500 00:29:59,876 --> 00:30:01,748 Good night. 501 00:30:08,972 --> 00:30:12,888 I've made myself publicly available on social media 502 00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:15,543 for about a decade now. 503 00:30:15,544 --> 00:30:19,982 I'm just really amazed at the stories I hear from people 504 00:30:19,983 --> 00:30:22,594 that were greatly affected by it 505 00:30:22,595 --> 00:30:23,944 when it initially came out. 506 00:30:27,164 --> 00:30:31,864 People of my generation or even older that, like, 507 00:30:31,865 --> 00:30:35,607 this story really resonated with them. 508 00:30:35,608 --> 00:30:37,826 There's so many people in the paranormal field 509 00:30:37,827 --> 00:30:39,611 that I have met through the years, 510 00:30:39,612 --> 00:30:40,916 having gone to conferences, 511 00:30:40,917 --> 00:30:42,657 and I often ask people, 512 00:30:42,658 --> 00:30:44,833 "What's got you so interested in the paranormal?" 513 00:30:44,834 --> 00:30:47,140 And so many people have told me, 514 00:30:47,141 --> 00:30:49,098 you know, "When I was a kid, I saw your... 515 00:30:49,099 --> 00:30:51,493 I saw the movie about your family." 516 00:30:57,586 --> 00:31:03,200 Enough about the story resonates as real. 517 00:31:07,988 --> 00:31:10,599 And that's why it continues on. 518 00:31:12,601 --> 00:31:14,515 Why is it you feel like people want to cling 519 00:31:14,516 --> 00:31:16,691 to this story? 520 00:31:16,692 --> 00:31:19,912 Partially because they have fantasies that they believe in 521 00:31:19,913 --> 00:31:22,306 and partially because there's money to be made. 522 00:31:24,134 --> 00:31:25,961 He holds the unique title of demonologist. 523 00:31:25,962 --> 00:31:27,310 She's a psychic. 524 00:31:27,311 --> 00:31:28,790 Together they just completed work as 525 00:31:28,791 --> 00:31:31,880 demonology advisors on the upcoming film 526 00:31:31,881 --> 00:31:34,100 Amityville II: The Possession. 527 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:35,929 Please welcome Ed and Lorraine Warren. 528 00:31:38,235 --> 00:31:39,627 The Warrens, 529 00:31:39,628 --> 00:31:42,674 they made a career for themselves. 530 00:31:42,675 --> 00:31:44,066 They highlighted the fact that 531 00:31:44,067 --> 00:31:45,633 they were involved in our story. 532 00:31:45,634 --> 00:31:47,026 What's the most famous case 533 00:31:47,027 --> 00:31:48,810 you've ever been involved with? 534 00:31:48,811 --> 00:31:50,812 Well, I would have to say the Amityville Horror, 535 00:31:50,813 --> 00:31:52,988 since it's world renowned. 536 00:31:52,989 --> 00:31:56,122 Years later, I found out that they had been 537 00:31:56,123 --> 00:31:59,125 the creative consultant on multiple movies 538 00:31:59,126 --> 00:32:01,562 after the initial movie. 539 00:32:01,563 --> 00:32:05,567 And I didn't find that to be, like, genuine. 540 00:32:08,222 --> 00:32:09,570 When The Conjuring opened 541 00:32:09,571 --> 00:32:11,572 in theaters in 2013, 542 00:32:11,573 --> 00:32:13,226 it was a box-office hit 543 00:32:13,227 --> 00:32:17,056 that raked in $137 million in the U.S. 544 00:32:17,057 --> 00:32:19,841 and terrified audiences worldwide. 545 00:32:19,842 --> 00:32:22,105 This is as close to hell as I ever want to get. 546 00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:28,197 People would attach themselves to this 547 00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:30,678 in one way or another. 548 00:32:30,679 --> 00:32:33,855 Jay Anson, having been penned as the author, 549 00:32:33,856 --> 00:32:36,075 is the one that's making the big money on it. 550 00:32:36,076 --> 00:32:38,860 Last I know, he made, like, 16 million on it. 551 00:32:38,861 --> 00:32:40,296 16 million. 552 00:32:40,297 --> 00:32:42,299 My parents made, like, 400,000. 553 00:32:44,911 --> 00:32:47,695 Get out! 554 00:32:47,696 --> 00:32:49,218 It's a remake that's really worthy, 555 00:32:49,219 --> 00:32:50,698 simply because the original doesn't... 556 00:32:50,699 --> 00:32:53,745 I don't believe, holds up after time. 557 00:32:53,746 --> 00:32:55,094 Kill them! 558 00:32:55,095 --> 00:32:57,271 The greatest haunted house story ever told. 559 00:32:59,621 --> 00:33:01,753 Catch them. 560 00:33:01,754 --> 00:33:03,929 Kill them. 561 00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:05,191 Catch 'em and you kill 'em. 562 00:33:05,192 --> 00:33:07,106 You catch 'em and you kill 'em. 563 00:33:07,107 --> 00:33:09,630 Ronnie DeFeo kept repeating this over and over. 564 00:33:09,631 --> 00:33:11,763 I've never seen anything like this. 565 00:33:11,764 --> 00:33:14,026 "How can I get a fair hearing when all they know 566 00:33:14,027 --> 00:33:17,812 is that I catch 'em and kill 'em?" 567 00:33:17,813 --> 00:33:20,162 He was angry at Hollywood. 568 00:33:20,163 --> 00:33:23,339 He claimed that he should have been compensated 569 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:29,171 for his contribution to the Amityville Horror movies. 570 00:33:29,172 --> 00:33:32,087 The Amityville Horror really is supposed to be me. 571 00:33:32,088 --> 00:33:35,134 Because I'm the one that 572 00:33:35,135 --> 00:33:36,875 got convicted of killing my family. 573 00:33:36,876 --> 00:33:38,180 I'm the one they say did it. 574 00:33:38,181 --> 00:33:39,922 I'm the one that's supposed to be possessed. 575 00:33:42,316 --> 00:33:44,926 He had told me about the mob stuff, 576 00:33:44,927 --> 00:33:47,755 and then said Dawn killed the whole family. 577 00:33:47,756 --> 00:33:50,323 So I guess it's implied that 578 00:33:50,324 --> 00:33:52,892 he had acknowledged that the mafia story wasn't true. 579 00:33:55,895 --> 00:33:58,418 From what I understood, the father had 580 00:33:58,419 --> 00:34:00,899 legitimate connections with the mafia. 581 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:04,293 But this did not spread to the son. 582 00:34:04,294 --> 00:34:06,208 The mob guys in the jail 583 00:34:06,209 --> 00:34:08,080 wouldn't have anything to do with him. 584 00:34:08,081 --> 00:34:10,299 I mean, they actively disliked him. 585 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:12,693 They felt he was an embarrassment to them. 586 00:34:12,694 --> 00:34:15,087 I don't believe organized crime had anything to do with that. 587 00:34:15,088 --> 00:34:16,131 Anything. 588 00:34:16,132 --> 00:34:17,742 There were two major rules: 589 00:34:17,743 --> 00:34:19,265 you never killed a guy in his house 590 00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:21,354 and you never killed him in front of his family. 591 00:34:21,355 --> 00:34:24,792 That was the rule and you didn't break that rule. 592 00:34:24,793 --> 00:34:27,708 The horror itself is my family getting killed. 593 00:34:27,709 --> 00:34:30,058 I guess that's the only really tragedy here. 594 00:34:30,059 --> 00:34:34,324 Everything else... it's fantasy really. 595 00:34:35,412 --> 00:34:37,327 It's fiction. 596 00:34:46,772 --> 00:34:51,906 When Ronnie died in 2021, I felt really sad, 597 00:34:51,907 --> 00:34:55,736 which is kind of strange because he's a multi murderer. 598 00:34:55,737 --> 00:34:58,434 He hadn't been, like, the greatest guy I ever met. 599 00:34:58,435 --> 00:35:01,742 He was actually an oddity, if anything. 600 00:35:01,743 --> 00:35:03,352 And I was surprised that he died 601 00:35:03,353 --> 00:35:05,746 a little younger than I thought. 602 00:35:05,747 --> 00:35:09,402 But he had been using drugs his whole life, 603 00:35:09,403 --> 00:35:11,186 as a prisoner too. 604 00:35:11,187 --> 00:35:13,275 Also, of course, prison is a stressful place 605 00:35:13,276 --> 00:35:14,495 and it wears on you. 606 00:35:41,435 --> 00:35:45,961 My grandmother was the secretary to Father Ray. 607 00:35:46,832 --> 00:35:51,966 One of his annulment cases was George's first marriage. 608 00:35:51,967 --> 00:35:53,489 She really documented everything 609 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:57,102 because she just had a bad intuition over time. 610 00:35:57,103 --> 00:35:59,887 And the intuition was just, there's something there, 611 00:35:59,888 --> 00:36:01,410 but I don't know what it is. 612 00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:04,587 I was married previously also to a Catholic. 613 00:36:04,588 --> 00:36:07,460 And as part of the annulment proceedings for that marriage, 614 00:36:07,461 --> 00:36:09,897 I was called down to the diocese office 615 00:36:09,898 --> 00:36:12,160 and interviewed. 616 00:36:12,161 --> 00:36:14,293 The annulment documents 617 00:36:14,294 --> 00:36:17,600 do reveal things about George's past 618 00:36:17,601 --> 00:36:20,387 and have never been released. 619 00:36:26,915 --> 00:36:29,438 Yeah, so the letter, um, 620 00:36:29,439 --> 00:36:32,485 from the therapist was quite interesting 621 00:36:32,486 --> 00:36:35,575 because of the fact that he has the perspective from both 622 00:36:35,576 --> 00:36:38,883 George and his first wife. 623 00:36:38,884 --> 00:36:40,449 And she defines her role as being 624 00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:42,930 a maid in his office and in his home. 625 00:36:42,931 --> 00:36:45,325 He never allowed me to open my mouth. 626 00:36:48,154 --> 00:36:50,851 Yeah. 627 00:36:50,852 --> 00:36:55,856 He'd proudly use terms as, "I got her trained," 628 00:36:55,857 --> 00:37:00,079 to defiantly state his position in their marriage. 629 00:37:01,036 --> 00:37:04,343 "His rigid expansive attitude appeared to conceal 630 00:37:04,344 --> 00:37:06,127 "a very frightened individual 631 00:37:06,128 --> 00:37:09,130 "who was most insecure concerning his role 632 00:37:09,131 --> 00:37:11,220 as a male and husband." 633 00:37:13,309 --> 00:37:15,963 George has effectively extorted money. 634 00:37:15,964 --> 00:37:18,139 She invested all of her savings, 635 00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:20,228 and he refused to allow her name 636 00:37:20,229 --> 00:37:24,493 to appear on the title of the house. 637 00:37:24,494 --> 00:37:27,497 This is a little uncomfortable to read. 638 00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:32,197 There is evidence that he abused her physically 639 00:37:32,198 --> 00:37:33,502 on several occasions. 640 00:37:33,503 --> 00:37:35,678 Apparently, she required medical assistance 641 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:39,292 for injuries that were inflicted by George. 642 00:37:42,164 --> 00:37:45,123 The feedback from the medical expert, it says, 643 00:37:45,124 --> 00:37:47,386 "In this case, with the preparation 644 00:37:47,387 --> 00:37:50,519 "I am able to state with medical and moral certainty, 645 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,522 "that at the time of his marriage, 646 00:37:53,523 --> 00:37:55,481 "George Lutz was suffering from 647 00:37:55,482 --> 00:37:57,918 "a serious personality disorder. 648 00:37:57,919 --> 00:38:00,181 "This would appropriately be diagnosed as 649 00:38:00,182 --> 00:38:03,359 antisocial personality." 650 00:38:21,508 --> 00:38:24,205 "George Lutz was suffering from a serious 651 00:38:24,206 --> 00:38:26,947 "personality disorder. 652 00:38:26,948 --> 00:38:31,082 "His callousness and selfishness is typical 653 00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:33,127 "of the sociopathic 654 00:38:33,128 --> 00:38:35,522 or antisocial personality." 655 00:38:37,654 --> 00:38:41,222 I'm kind of mystified that somebody can be 656 00:38:41,223 --> 00:38:43,268 that much of a chameleon. 657 00:38:43,269 --> 00:38:48,490 I'm shocked that he hid it so well. 658 00:38:48,491 --> 00:38:50,145 I really am. 659 00:38:55,585 --> 00:38:58,152 Antisocial personality disorder 660 00:38:58,153 --> 00:39:00,633 is a diagnosis that tends to be given to people 661 00:39:00,634 --> 00:39:05,638 who have a blatant disregard for the rights of others. 662 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,336 These are people who do not show empathy 663 00:39:08,337 --> 00:39:10,425 or remorse for other people. 664 00:39:10,426 --> 00:39:13,211 And they're oftentimes believed to be manipulative. 665 00:39:13,212 --> 00:39:15,517 So they might present differently 666 00:39:15,518 --> 00:39:19,521 or say different things or shift facts 667 00:39:19,522 --> 00:39:21,655 when they're talking to different people. 668 00:39:24,527 --> 00:39:27,616 In 2006, Dr. Hoge, a psychiatrist, 669 00:39:27,617 --> 00:39:30,750 interviewed Ronnie DeFeo to get a better understanding of 670 00:39:30,751 --> 00:39:32,795 how Ronnie DeFeo was presenting, 671 00:39:32,796 --> 00:39:35,190 how he was thinking about the crimes. 672 00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:39,759 He believed that Ronnie DeFeo was experiencing 673 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,500 an antisocial personality disorder, 674 00:39:41,501 --> 00:39:44,243 that he seems to be more manipulative. 675 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,738 Sometimes individuals try to 676 00:40:02,739 --> 00:40:07,482 give an excuse for violent behavior or abusive behavior. 677 00:40:07,483 --> 00:40:10,355 "The devil made me do it" or "I was possessed at the time." 678 00:40:10,356 --> 00:40:12,096 And sometimes these individuals will 679 00:40:12,097 --> 00:40:14,489 even undergo exorcisms, 680 00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:18,711 as in the case of the Lutz family stepfather. 681 00:40:18,712 --> 00:40:20,495 So that can be a little bit puzzling. 682 00:40:20,496 --> 00:40:23,150 How do we interpret that? 683 00:40:23,151 --> 00:40:25,588 Our only answer is that we're not totally sure. 684 00:40:38,514 --> 00:40:41,777 There was a tribe of Indians called the Shinnecocks, 685 00:40:41,778 --> 00:40:45,303 and they used this land as a sort of exposure pen. 686 00:40:45,304 --> 00:40:47,174 They put all the crazy people here, 687 00:40:47,175 --> 00:40:49,263 and they left them here to die. 688 00:40:49,264 --> 00:40:51,787 The Amityville Horror film 689 00:40:51,788 --> 00:40:53,485 is the first time in cinema 690 00:40:53,486 --> 00:40:57,445 where the Indian burial ground trope is used. 691 00:40:57,446 --> 00:40:59,186 That's why no one 692 00:40:59,187 --> 00:41:01,884 ever buried a human being out there. 693 00:41:01,885 --> 00:41:03,364 You are thinking of putting him out there. 694 00:41:03,365 --> 00:41:05,192 Don't deny the thought hadn't crossed your mind. 695 00:41:05,193 --> 00:41:07,368 The Indian burial ground trope... 696 00:41:07,369 --> 00:41:09,283 I like to call it the IBG... 697 00:41:09,284 --> 00:41:15,202 Is the idea that if a place is built 698 00:41:15,203 --> 00:41:16,725 on an Indian burial ground, 699 00:41:16,726 --> 00:41:20,164 it is somehow more haunted or evil 700 00:41:20,165 --> 00:41:21,861 or is going to inspire 701 00:41:21,862 --> 00:41:25,560 something really dreadful to happen. 702 00:41:25,561 --> 00:41:31,392 And yes, the Shinnecock Nation exists on Long Island. 703 00:41:31,393 --> 00:41:35,570 They would venture to the area of the Amityville house 704 00:41:35,571 --> 00:41:37,790 for possibly hunting. 705 00:41:37,791 --> 00:41:40,402 But it wasn't really part of their traditional land. 706 00:41:45,364 --> 00:41:48,583 The Indian burial ground in movies 707 00:41:48,584 --> 00:41:51,151 is just such a cliché. 708 00:41:51,152 --> 00:41:55,155 But people love that shit. They eat it up. 709 00:41:55,156 --> 00:41:57,157 The site is supposed to be located on 710 00:41:57,158 --> 00:41:58,376 an Indian burial ground, 711 00:41:58,377 --> 00:41:59,812 and I believe they actually had to 712 00:41:59,813 --> 00:42:02,336 repel a few Indian attacks as they were building it. 713 00:42:02,337 --> 00:42:04,904 Why is it that the Indian burial ground 714 00:42:04,905 --> 00:42:07,472 is always what people claim? 715 00:42:07,473 --> 00:42:09,648 This was their burial ground. 716 00:42:09,649 --> 00:42:12,259 Is it the white settler guilt? 717 00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:13,782 Whose burial ground? 718 00:42:13,783 --> 00:42:15,567 Mi'kmaq Indians. 719 00:42:15,568 --> 00:42:19,833 Is it this idea that there has to be some kind of evil... 720 00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:25,969 to justify why we took this land? 721 00:42:30,496 --> 00:42:32,845 Even popular ghost shows 722 00:42:32,846 --> 00:42:35,630 and the paranormal hunters that go out, 723 00:42:35,631 --> 00:42:37,632 it's a very easy explanation, 724 00:42:37,633 --> 00:42:39,591 especially if you're in the areas 725 00:42:39,592 --> 00:42:42,682 that are associated with tribal people. 726 00:42:46,686 --> 00:42:47,947 Perhaps we can think about this as a way 727 00:42:47,948 --> 00:42:49,557 of dealing with the kind 728 00:42:49,558 --> 00:42:52,821 of repressed and unspoken complicity, 729 00:42:52,822 --> 00:42:53,996 especially in suburbia, 730 00:42:53,997 --> 00:42:56,477 as a way of trying to tease out 731 00:42:56,478 --> 00:42:59,437 some of the unspoken violence, 732 00:42:59,438 --> 00:43:02,441 the unspoken horror of American history itself. 733 00:43:30,425 --> 00:43:33,340 The fact that so many people wanted the story to be true 734 00:43:33,341 --> 00:43:35,690 or in fact believed the story to be true 735 00:43:35,691 --> 00:43:38,780 is much more revealing and is much more interesting 736 00:43:38,781 --> 00:43:40,541 than whether the story itself is true or not. 737 00:43:43,525 --> 00:43:48,790 What really happened is that we all joined in the story. 738 00:43:48,791 --> 00:43:53,752 It became something that is self-sustaining. 739 00:43:53,753 --> 00:43:57,887 It became kind of a feedback loop. 740 00:44:01,369 --> 00:44:03,979 You can come into a space you think is yours, 741 00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:05,764 but it has history. 742 00:44:05,765 --> 00:44:08,289 There's traces, there's trauma. 743 00:44:12,554 --> 00:44:14,599 Did this actually happen? 744 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,471 Maybe something did happen that was demonic. 745 00:44:17,472 --> 00:44:21,388 We still don't know how to reckon with historical trauma. 746 00:44:21,389 --> 00:44:24,566 It still rises up to battle with. 747 00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:29,788 If you think about buildings that have seen 748 00:44:29,789 --> 00:44:31,006 great violence or great suffering, 749 00:44:31,007 --> 00:44:32,573 you think to yourself, 750 00:44:32,574 --> 00:44:34,358 "Maybe they should be haunted." 751 00:44:34,359 --> 00:44:35,576 There should be something here 752 00:44:35,577 --> 00:44:37,491 because that way, it would mean that 753 00:44:37,492 --> 00:44:39,581 all of that pain and suffering hasn't been forgotten. 754 00:44:42,018 --> 00:44:44,629 She was shot in the head! 755 00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:47,588 I never thought it was gonna be the basis of 756 00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:51,331 an enduring story that we're still talking about 757 00:44:51,332 --> 00:44:52,941 nearly 50 years later. 758 00:44:52,942 --> 00:44:54,769 This has got to be the end. 759 00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:56,902 I don't understand why people... 760 00:44:56,903 --> 00:44:59,426 I don't know why people are so interested in it. 761 00:44:59,427 --> 00:45:00,906 I guess because it's a ghost story 762 00:45:00,907 --> 00:45:02,951 and people love ghost stories 763 00:45:02,952 --> 00:45:04,779 and they want to believe they're real. 764 00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:07,565 You want to believe there's something beyond our lives, 765 00:45:07,566 --> 00:45:09,784 something that's beyond us. 766 00:45:09,785 --> 00:45:13,962 Everyone in the world that I've spoken to, 767 00:45:13,963 --> 00:45:17,879 if I mention it, know about this story. 768 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,143 They're fascinated by it. 769 00:45:21,144 --> 00:45:24,625 But the sad thing is that he killed everybody. 770 00:45:24,626 --> 00:45:28,760 No! No! No! 771 00:45:28,761 --> 00:45:29,805 No! 772 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:32,633 I think a lot of it's true 773 00:45:32,634 --> 00:45:34,461 and a lot of it's not. 774 00:45:34,462 --> 00:45:37,159 And I don't think there was a demon in the house doing it. 775 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,813 I think there's some people in this world 776 00:45:38,814 --> 00:45:41,468 are as evil as demons. 777 00:45:41,469 --> 00:45:45,994 I believe it's now been 32 movies 778 00:45:45,995 --> 00:45:49,128 that have attached the name Amityville to them 779 00:45:49,129 --> 00:45:54,133 to capitalize upon this crap that I went through as a kid. 780 00:45:54,134 --> 00:45:58,746 And none of those people give a shit what really happened. 781 00:45:58,747 --> 00:46:03,577 George was embroiled in one lawsuit after another. 782 00:46:03,578 --> 00:46:05,710 He had a lawsuit going with MGM 783 00:46:05,711 --> 00:46:08,800 over the 2005 remake. 784 00:46:08,801 --> 00:46:11,803 After that lawsuit was settled, 785 00:46:11,804 --> 00:46:15,154 May 6, 2006, 786 00:46:15,155 --> 00:46:17,636 George has a massive heart attack... 787 00:46:19,551 --> 00:46:21,553 and dies. 788 00:46:23,772 --> 00:46:26,078 Ronnie still haunts me. 789 00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:30,517 Maybe I had a shot at getting the truth out of him. 790 00:46:30,518 --> 00:46:32,084 I wanted to look him in the eye and say, 791 00:46:32,085 --> 00:46:34,521 "What went down?" 792 00:46:34,522 --> 00:46:37,437 But we'll probably never know. 793 00:46:37,438 --> 00:46:38,873 And that's a shame. 794 00:46:38,874 --> 00:46:42,790 I feel like Ronnie committed the murders alone. 795 00:46:42,791 --> 00:46:44,444 He's scum. 796 00:46:44,445 --> 00:46:46,446 And he's dead now and he's rotting in hell. 797 00:46:46,447 --> 00:46:48,449 And that's my feeling. 798 00:46:52,148 --> 00:46:54,672 No doubt George was a victim 799 00:46:54,673 --> 00:46:57,718 of the karma that he put out. 800 00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,720 "I'm gonna make a movie about my son 801 00:46:59,721 --> 00:47:01,984 killing me through telepathy." 802 00:47:03,899 --> 00:47:06,074 I'm not gonna tell the story about 803 00:47:06,075 --> 00:47:09,861 what happened the day that he did die. 804 00:47:09,862 --> 00:47:13,952 But that thing that he wanted in the movie? 805 00:47:13,953 --> 00:47:16,477 Careful what you wish for. 806 00:47:28,968 --> 00:47:31,623 The house will continue to be a time bomb... 807 00:47:34,234 --> 00:47:38,846 ticking away, ticking away. 808 00:47:38,847 --> 00:47:41,588 One fine day, someone will move into that house 809 00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:47,551 who have some of the qualities of young Ronald DeFeo Jr. 810 00:47:47,552 --> 00:47:50,729 And it'll start all over again. 811 00:48:12,011 --> 00:48:17,624 ♪ You were always Trying to mold me ♪ 812 00:48:17,625 --> 00:48:20,975 ♪ Mold me 813 00:48:20,976 --> 00:48:26,633 ♪ But I'm not made of clay 814 00:48:26,634 --> 00:48:30,115 ♪ Oh 815 00:48:30,116 --> 00:48:35,729 ♪ You were always Busy molding ♪ 816 00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:39,080 ♪ Molding 817 00:48:39,081 --> 00:48:44,696 ♪ Dating girls Half your age ♪ 818 00:48:51,572 --> 00:48:57,882 ♪ I know you like working With your hands ♪ 819 00:48:57,883 --> 00:49:02,931 ♪ But hands are for holding