1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,040 20 seconds. Can I have a glass of water, please? Make-up checks. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,320 So sorry, everyone! 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Oh, Tony, can you just remember to tweak that second cue... 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Hi, anyone, can I have a glass of water, please? 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,680 ..the end bit. Thank you. OK, guys, stand by. We're coming on shortly. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,920 Hey, you'll be fine. Yeah. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,320 You've done plenty of live stuff before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,640 You did do that, what was it called? Mid Morning Matters? 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,040 Yes, Mid Morning Matters. Of course, Mid Morning Matters. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Oh, do you know it? Uh, yeah, I have watched the odd episode. 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,840 I have to say I loved what I saw. Well, it's a radio show. 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,360 That's right. 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Guys, clear the floor. 14 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,680 Can I have some water, please? My mouth is dry. 15 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,640 Stand by. We're going in five, four... 16 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Can I have some water, please? My mouth is dry... 17 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:45,520 This programme contains some strong language 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,760 Hello and welcome to This Time, 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,320 with me, Jennie Gresham 20 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:07,480 and, well, a new face today. 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,320 As some of you may have read, 22 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:11,400 John is unwell and can't be with us tonight, 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,640 but we're sending him all our love, aren't we? Mm, mm, mm-mm, mm-mm. 24 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,720 But until his return, 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,520 we are in the safe, capable, smooth hands of Mr Alan Partridge. 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,480 Thank you and very thank you for noticing the hands. 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,840 I recently changed creams, so good to see they're getting results 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,920 and they're not quite so, not, not, not quite so, well, you know. 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,160 So let's have... Not quite so cracked. 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,760 So let's have a little... That's you. Sorry. 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,040 So let's have a little look at the busy life of Mr Alan Partridge. 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,720 MAN: And we're off. 33 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,080 Why did I say that about my effing hands? Sorry. It's fine. 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,480 It's just that they've not been on HD before, 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,360 so you want them to be at their best, you know. 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,720 I'm a little bit rusty and need a drop of oil. 37 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,600 I'm like the robot from the Wizard of Oz. 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,600 You were fine. Business as usual, just remember, business as usual. 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,520 Yeah. Yeah. Could you spool to the next one? 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,360 Business as usual. 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,040 It's a good note. Good note. Good note. Good note. 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Business as usual. 43 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,920 First, we preview a programme about the plight of pint-sized seal pups. 44 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:10,680 Bit of a mouthful. 45 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,440 More Ps in it than a pensioner's Pamper. 46 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Should I say that? 47 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:16,360 No, I wouldn't. Lot to get through. 48 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Five, four. Got it. 49 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,480 Alan Partridge there, who I feel we know a bit more intimately now. 50 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,360 Steady, Mrs, I've not even taken you for dinner yet. 51 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,080 I'm a married woman, I'll have you know. 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,920 Oh, I was told you were separated. 53 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:35,120 Coming up, we'll be talking vegetarianism and gambling. 54 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,440 But, first, we preview a programme about the plight of pint-sized 55 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,840 seal pups, goodness. 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,160 That's got more Ps in it than a pensioner's Pamper. 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,400 LAUGHTER 58 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,840 Yes, we're off to the Antarctic to take a look at these little fellas. 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,200 Ten seconds on VT. 60 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,440 Oh, God, so sorry about that. 61 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,760 You know when something just pops into your head? 62 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,080 Oh, God, no, no. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. 63 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,080 We're on in five, four... If it was an accident, it's fine. 64 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,960 Yeah, it was an accident. Then it's fine. 65 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,200 A baby leopard seal there called Silas 66 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,040 and Silas is one of the stars of Ice Pups, a new documentary 67 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,960 following a pack of leopard seals over one Antarctic winter. 68 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,040 Hydrurga leptonyx to use the Latin term. 69 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,360 I'm doing a little bit of reading, so... Mm, someone's very keen. 70 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,320 Yeah, well, I am keen. I'm keen to give my best. 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,360 Here to tell us more about these moustachioed mammals 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,200 is the show's creator, Alice Clunt. 73 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,320 Welcome. Oh, it's Alice Fluck. 74 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Right, I see what I've done. 75 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,960 So, Alice, this isn't your first time 76 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,840 getting close to the animal kingdom, is it? 77 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,800 Once upon a time, you were shortlisted 78 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,720 in the Shell Wildlife Photographer of the Year competition. 79 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,840 Many moons ago, yes. 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,120 The oil company, Shell? 81 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,800 They used to sponsor it, yes. Well, do you know what? Good for them. 82 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,120 I mean, you know, they get a lot of stick, don't they, 83 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,160 for the Exxon Valdez oil spill, but then they sponsor a prize 84 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,120 for animal photos and you think, 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,280 "Hm, maybe it's time to take a fresh look at Shell." 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,600 Uh, but tell us about Ice Pups, because leopard seal pups 87 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,000 really are the most incredible animals, aren't they? 88 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,440 Oh, they really are, Jennie, I mean what you see in the pups 89 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:12,720 and, hopefully, in the film, 90 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,160 is their spirit and their personality. 91 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,120 Because don't forget these guys are living in the most 92 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,680 inhospitable place in the whole world, you know. 93 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,720 They are tough. 94 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,720 You do not want to mess with a leopard seal. 95 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,160 Well over a tonne, teeth like giant daggers, top speed of 20 knots. 96 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,640 A German U-boat commander would kill for velocity like that. 97 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:31,840 Awesome. Um... 98 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:33,080 Well, you see in the film, 99 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,560 they do have this wonderfully playful side as well. 100 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,600 Yeah. Yeah, and how. 101 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,600 They toss penguins around like a rag doll and batter them 102 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,680 against the sea till they're dead just, wait for it, for fun. 103 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,480 Brutal. Well, they're, they're... 104 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,240 they're mischievous, certainly, 105 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,480 and...and that comes from just being so intelligent. 106 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,400 Well, the Allies trained them to deliver mines 107 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,920 strapped to their backs to scuttle enemy craft in harbour. 108 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,080 Boom! Successful. 109 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,360 We don't really touch on that on this film. 110 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,040 This film is more about them in infancy and adolescence 111 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,600 and, hopefully, it's one the whole family can enjoy. 112 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Aw. Wrong...wrong tone. 113 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,920 They're plucky little so-and-sos, aren't they? 114 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,320 They have to be, you know, they're only weaned for a month 115 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,240 and then it's up to them to fend for themselves. 116 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,960 Aw, breaks your heart, doesn't it? 117 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,040 When you're around them such a long time, 118 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,560 it's hard not to get attached. 119 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,960 Aw. Ahhhh. 120 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,640 Oh, I think I'm a bit in love. Oh. Awwwww. 121 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,560 Bless them. Ahhhh. 122 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,760 They're the most adorable little creatures 123 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,440 and they seem to have such personality. 124 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,320 You almost want to give them a name, don't you? 125 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,600 Well, this one's called Silas. Yeah, but, I know, 126 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,560 I mean a better one, though, like Richard. 127 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,760 Oh, I don't know whether to eat him up or wear him, 128 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,400 do you know what I mean, though? 129 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,840 I suppose Eskimos do both. 130 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:40,920 Well, you find leopard seals in the Antarctic. 131 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,480 The Falklanders, then. 132 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,840 Now, Alice, the film ends with the sound of a seal cry 133 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:47,920 and it's quite a sound, isn't it? 134 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Actually, let's hear it. 135 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,440 OSCILLATING, GUTTURAL SOUND 136 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,400 It's not a sound you forget. No. 137 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,760 When I heard that, I had an overwhelming sense of Gary Numan. 138 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,680 And do you know the other musician I was thinking of? 139 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,360 Don't know why? Seal. 140 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,240 I do know why. 141 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,320 It almost sounds philosophical, doesn't it? 142 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,720 I don't think that's the right word, Jennie. 143 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,520 I think it's remindful, it's reminded me of my grandad. 144 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Did it? Yeah. 145 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,480 He made funny noises and he had whiskers and he liked fish. 146 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,680 He was a smashing grandad. 147 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,800 One of my earliest memories actually is him taking me to the funfair, 148 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,840 me asking for a candyfloss 149 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:31,920 and then eventually he gave in and got me one. 150 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,400 Took me home, said goodbye, but left his hat 151 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,520 and when I ran to the bus stop, he wasn't there, 152 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,280 and I saw he was walking up the hill. 153 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:48,160 That's when I realised he'd spent his bus fare on my candyfloss. 154 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Grandad Graham. 155 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,280 Grandad. 156 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,280 And you can see the whole of Alice's film on BBC One tomorrow night. 157 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:00,720 Alice Clunt. Fluck. Fuck. Fluck. 158 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,560 Thank you very much for joining us. 159 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,160 Now, when we think of farming, we think of The Archers, 160 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,960 All Creatures Great and Small, 161 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,120 sprawling acres across rolling hills. 162 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,440 Yes, a tumbledown farmhouse nestled in the cleavage 163 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,240 of soft, bosomy downs. 164 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,680 Ooh. Can you say cleavage? 165 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,280 I think so. Can you say bosom? Might not be a woman. 166 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,880 Might just be a very smooth, fat teenage boy. 167 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Next month is grow-your-own month. 168 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,440 Here's how you can get involved. 169 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,520 And we're off air. 170 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,680 30 seconds on VT. 171 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,200 Alice, thank you so much. That was... 172 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Drive, drive, drive your car, gently down the road, 173 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,440 merrily, merrily, merrily, obey the Highway Code. 174 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Thanks. 175 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,000 You're nervous, just breathe. 176 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,920 How am I doing? You're solid. Good. 177 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,400 The people near the gallery were making appreciative noises. 178 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Like what? Noises like what? 179 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,720 LYNN MOANS 180 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,560 Good God, Lynn, you've not made a noise like that 181 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,680 since those little fish ate the dead skin off your feet. 182 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,160 Oh, and hot off the news press. 183 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,320 Go on. You know Greville Merchant? 184 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,560 Oh, what does he want? 185 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,560 He heard you were hosting a BBC primetime show and he collapsed. 186 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Well, where was he? In his garden. 187 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Huh. 188 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,000 Can we clear the floor, please? 189 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Stand by, we're going in five. 190 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,840 You all right? Four... 191 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,600 Yeah? ALAN MUMBLES 192 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,120 Welcome back. 193 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,120 We've had a text here from Walter in Frodsham, who says Shell 194 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,720 had nothing to do with the Exxon Valdez spill, that was Esso. 195 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,680 Perhaps you're thinking of the Deepwater Horizon spill 196 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,440 in the Gulf of Mexico? Thank you. 197 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,080 But, yes, of course, apologies. 198 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Happy to clear that up. Just like Shell were. 199 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,040 And also Elsa from Cheshire 200 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,720 saying good to see you back on the BBC after your falling out. 201 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,720 I'm just helping out, as I see it. OK. 202 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,960 If people see it and it leads to bigger things, great. 203 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,320 If not, and I'm back on local radio, equally great. 204 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,840 And if people like it, they want to holler about it 205 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,840 on social media, cool. 206 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,200 If they see it and they don't like it or hate it, 207 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,040 again, very, very cool. 208 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,480 I mean, does that answer your question, Elsa? Elsa? 209 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,320 It's a tweet. Yep. 210 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,640 Well, we're delighted to have you and as the new boy in class, 211 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,520 I believe you brought a friend with you to hold your hand. 212 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,360 I like to describe him as the Man Friday to my Robinson Clouseau 213 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,040 and that seems to satisfy people. 214 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,880 And he's going to be taking a look at the news, is that right? 215 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,640 A sideways look at the news. 216 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,480 But let's do a proper intro. 217 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,480 Once in a generation, a genius bursts onto the scene. 218 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,200 A bit more frequently, a fairly gifted person wanders in. 219 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,840 His name, Simon Denton. 220 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Simon, felicitations. 221 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Good morrow. Hail fellow well met. 222 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,360 Now... Athangyou. OK. 223 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Now, unless you've been hiding under a rock for the last five years, 224 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,920 you'll know from tuning in to North Norfolk Digital 225 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,840 that Simon is someone who dissects, 226 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,600 satirises and lampoons the news in a manner every bit as funny... 227 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Wah-wah. ..as a Radio Four panellist. 228 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Move over Gyles Brandreth. Stay calm. 229 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,880 And also new to the show is a huge, interactive touch-screen digiwall. 230 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,720 Tell us about it. Thank you. 231 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,880 So this here digiwall here. 232 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,120 Northern, he can do the lot. 233 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,760 Yes, it's a new idea, which I believe you got from... 234 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,320 Foxtons. Yeah. Foxtons. Foxtons, the real estate guys. 235 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,400 As I said in the production meeting, you know, 236 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,920 if we could make this show 10% more Foxtons, 237 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,400 then we will have something really quite special. 238 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Simon, what you got? 239 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,120 Right, well, bear with me, Alan, 240 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,920 because I'm still getting used to the tech, 241 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,560 but I think before we look at the papers, we're going to get 242 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,720 some tweets up and if I swipe here, we can get the Twitter feed. 243 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,000 We... Hopefully we'll be able to get the Twitter feed up on my digiwall. 244 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Can't swipe from the home screen. You need main menu. 245 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,360 Right you are. Now then. Top left item. Top left. 246 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,800 Ah, we're in. We're in like Flynn. 247 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,280 So now, social. Social being... Handshake. Socialising. 248 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,160 Press it again. 249 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,480 Press it again. 250 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,160 That was the hope. It's OK. It's OK. 251 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,160 Now Twitter. Twitter being... 252 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Big white bird. Bird it. 253 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,920 Now press tweets. Tweets? 254 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,280 Big blue bird. 255 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,120 Bird it. And press today's tweets. 256 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,600 No, you... 257 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,320 Stay calm. 258 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,360 Let's start again. Back to main menu. 259 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Can't swipe the home screen. 260 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,760 Main menu. Top left. 261 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,080 Press it. Oh, my Jesus. 262 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Now social. Handshake. 263 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,120 Then tweets, white bird. 264 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,560 Bird it. Big blue bird. 265 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:28,240 Bird it. Today's tweets, bird in circle. 266 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Okey doke. Right. 267 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,640 Did you definitely save them after you'd uploaded? 268 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,160 You didn't save them. 269 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,000 It's just amateur, isn't it? 270 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,200 I think so, yeah. 271 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,880 That's great. Am I still doing the papers? 272 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,080 Back to you, Jennie. 273 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,320 Thanks, Alan. 274 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,720 Now, how often do you wash your hands? 275 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,560 A study out this week says we wash our hands 30% less 276 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:53,920 than we did ten years ago. 277 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,160 Now, I've got to say, I found that hard to believe. 278 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,040 I think it's about the company you keep. 279 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,640 I mean, I don't know you that well, but I would guess, for example, 280 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:07,440 that both of us keep wet wipes in our downstairs loos. 281 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,240 Because you and I like to be clean. 282 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Well, all this gave us the germ of an idea. It did. 283 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,240 We sent Alan to find out more. 284 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,400 We did. 285 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:21,280 The humble art of hand-washing. 286 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,920 We all know we should do it and we all know the nursery rhyme. 287 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,320 288 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,680 you're clean-handed 289 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,200 290 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,680 clean-handed. 291 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:38,480 Why are clean hands important? 292 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,720 Because humans are the most effective incubators of bacteria 293 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,760 outside of imported meat - a fact first discovered 294 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,400 150 years ago in Soho... 295 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,640 MAN: Partridge, you wanker. 296 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,280 ..when its filthy reputation was based 297 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,360 not on pole dancers from Lapland 298 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,720 or lap dancers from Pole-land - Poland - 299 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,800 but because of an outbreak of cholera. 300 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,880 Imagine going into a newsagent 301 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:04,120 and ordering not a can of Coca Cola but a can of coca cholera. 302 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,280 That's effectively what the Soho residents were doing in 1854 303 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,080 when they came to draw water from this pump to sate, 304 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,560 slake or quench their thirst. 305 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,280 That was before the physician John Snow discovered 306 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,880 that the disease was spread through contaminated water. 307 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,080 This paved the way for the invention of antibiotics. 308 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,840 A remedy against bacteria that INITIALLY seemed infallible. 309 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:35,120 I said "initially" slightly louder because whilst antibiotics 310 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,080 once stopped bacteria like these 311 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,520 from breeding like randy Catholic rabbits, 312 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,320 their prophylactic power has become dulled through overuse. 313 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Many liken antibiotics to giving a box of chocolates 314 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,040 to an angry spouse. 315 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,400 The first time, the chocolates will overwhelm the wife 316 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,400 and quell her ire completely. 317 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,160 The sixth, seventh time, the chocolates still subdue 318 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,760 the miffed woman, but less than they had earlier. 319 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,200 And by the 20th time, the chocolates have little to no potency 320 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,600 and can even inflame the problem further. 321 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,160 I was troubled by this. I knew more than ever before 322 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,480 that we needed to wash our hands. 323 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Ground floor. But were we doing? 324 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,040 To find out for myself, 325 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,920 I've come to the gents' toilets at the BBC 326 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,000 to conduct a study of my own. 327 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Hello, Alan Partridge, BBC, did you wash your hands? 328 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,800 Yep. Good man. 329 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,280 I've concentrated exclusively on the gents' loos. 330 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,280 A man standing outside a women's lavatory can be seen as predatory. 331 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Equally, a man loitering outside a gentlemen's toilet 332 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,360 can be fraught with ambiguity 333 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,760 so to put it on a more formal footing, 334 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,840 I've got this woman with a clipboard. 335 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,240 Sorry, what's your name? 336 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,760 Thara. Sarah? 337 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,600 Thara. Sarah. 338 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,360 Thara. OK. 339 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,800 The BBC employs some 20,000 people... 340 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,200 Just write that down. 341 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,320 ..and not all of them are going to wash their hands. 342 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,400 Right, it is Thara. I thought you had a lisp. 343 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,720 No, it's Arabic. OK. 344 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,520 Menial workers, for example, are employed to pick up bits of dirt. 345 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,240 And the likelihood of them being asked to shake hands 346 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,280 with senior management are very low. 347 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,680 Put him down as a no. 348 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,680 Still, the results made for grim reading, 349 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,680 with just 28% saying they washed their hands. 350 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Yeah, I'm going to wash my own hands later. 351 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,160 Swindon... BLOWS NOSE 352 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,240 ..and I've comes to the British School of Hygiene 353 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,160 to ask Professor Jean Chaudhary 354 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,720 how clean hands can stop the spread of germs. 355 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,480 Hi, Jean. Hi. 356 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,600 Hi. 357 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,720 Jean, hand washing - how often should be washing them? 358 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Well, any time we come into contact with bacteria 359 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,080 so after going to the toilet. 360 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,320 Agreed. 361 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,960 After handling raw meat. Right, and that's separate, isn't it? 362 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,520 That's not a euphemism for the first one. No. 363 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,360 Raw meat can harbour some pretty 364 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,480 nasty bacteria, so if in doubt, wash. 365 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,480 And the advice from the World Health Organisation... Here we go. 366 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,280 ..is that we should be washing our hands for a full 20 seconds. 367 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,360 15's fine. 368 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,680 Which is why there's actually an instructional video 369 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,840 which shows exactly how to wash your hands. Yes, please. 370 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,040 So we begin by rubbing the palms together, 371 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,640 work up a nice creamy lather. 372 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,760 Those are very creamy hands. 373 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,400 And then you rub the back of your left hand... 374 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,440 Very creamy hands. 375 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,560 ..with the right palm with interlaced fingers. 376 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,720 Yeah. 377 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,120 And same with the other hand. 378 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Yeah. 379 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,560 And rinse with warm water. 380 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:23,920 Yeah. 381 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Those taps are the same as the ones over there. 382 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,360 Yeah, we shot it here. 383 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,440 Right, so those are your hands. 384 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,480 Mm. 385 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,680 SQUELCHING NOISES ON VIDEO 386 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,320 I could just demonstrate right here in the lab if you want. 387 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,480 No, no, no. No, we mustn't. 388 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,840 Um, so a quick recap. 389 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,280 So to recap, we should wash our hands 390 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,480 whenever we come into contact with bacteria. 391 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,600 So after changing a baby's nappy? 392 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,120 Yeah. 393 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,840 Um...handing over cash to a man on a ferry? 394 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,280 Uh, yeah. Slapping a butcher on the back and saying, 395 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,760 "Cheers for the cheap chops?" 396 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,760 If you think he's come into contact with bacteria. He's a butcher. 397 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,640 Anyway, from hygiene to "bye, Jean" and I don't think there can be any 398 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,960 greater tribute to your own personal hygiene than saying "put it there." 399 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:16,920 VOICEOVER: that you're clean hande....d. 400 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,400 The importance of cleanliness there. 401 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,520 Now, in some loos, you feel like the taps 402 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,600 are probably dirtier than your hands. 403 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,560 You just don't want to touch anything. Yes, 404 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,600 although it is possible to complete an ablution, 405 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,880 entry to exit, without using your hands. 406 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,160 I'm not sure how you'd do that. 407 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,320 It's simple. 408 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,240 You're in a corridor, on a train, 409 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,560 you find the loo, it's green, we're on. 410 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:37,640 Drop a thigh. 411 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,480 Elbow down to open, thigh bodge, 412 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,520 round and in, thigh to close. 413 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Wrist to lock. 414 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,040 Turn, lid up, seat down, and paper, paper, paper. 415 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,560 Tear, rent, place, turn. 416 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,520 Squat, paper, paper, paper. 417 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,680 Tear, complete, turn, feed paper back into bowl. 418 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,000 And flush. 419 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,880 Check water, water good. 420 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,280 Water, soap. 421 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,200 BREATHING HEAVILY 422 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:09,320 Air. 423 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,200 Unlock, handle down, leg around, other leg around. 424 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,560 I don't necessarily have to show you the whole thing. 425 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,560 That's the general gist, you know, 426 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,720 and other people will want to devise their own drill. 427 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,880 Thing is, just experiment. 428 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,320 Well, I believe Simon has an e-mail. 429 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,960 It is from the press office of Shell Oil. It says... 430 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,720 Ah, well. 431 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,680 Uh, yes. Happy to clear that up. 432 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,680 Now, all month this month, 433 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,880 we've been looking at Britain's love affair with having a flutter. 434 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,720 Last week, Jennie was live from Ascot or "ascut". 435 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,800 Uh, having a punt on the gee-gees with some very posh people 436 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,320 and another group of people who are the opposite of posh, 437 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,640 but who want to dress like and be near posh people. 438 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,840 But, today, we turn to the darker side of gambling 439 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,960 and how it creates addicts among those who can least afford it. 440 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,080 Hmm. 441 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,480 45 seconds. 442 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,800 Hoo. Right, so, betting terminals. 443 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,160 Yep. What damage they do. Why they've not banned it. 444 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,840 I suppose the only "banned it" you hear in gambling 445 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,920 is the one-armed bandit in the corner of the bookies. 446 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,160 Can we get Ruth up? 447 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,720 Hiya, Ruth. You all right? 448 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,120 Hiya, Jen. 449 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:33,320 Pleased to meet you, Ruth. 450 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,480 You're welcome. 451 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,360 Actually we have met before. 452 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,920 I don't think she can hear me. 453 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,920 Yeah, I splashed shandy on her at the Pride of Britain Awards 454 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,640 and she took it quite badly. 455 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,200 And from thereon, she disagreed with everything I've said. 456 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,760 And we're back on in five... Weird. 457 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,000 ..four... 458 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,000 Time now to get some answers starting with why, 459 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,320 if this technology is so addictive, betting chains haven't banned it. 460 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,800 Well, the only bandit you hear in gambling is the... 461 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,160 BOTH: ..one-armed bandit in the corner of a bookies. 462 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,360 Snap. Indeed. 463 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,040 You must be telepathic. Must be. 464 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,200 Ruth Duggan joins us from a Solihull bookmakers. 465 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Ruth, a community ravaged by gambling 466 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,520 and all down to one type of machine. 467 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,680 Well, not all. It's important to emphasise that. 468 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,640 But it has certainly played a large part, hasn't it? That's right. 469 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,320 It's a contraption that some believe 470 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,760 has caused a terrifying spike in gambling addiction. 471 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,320 Fixed odds betting machines. 472 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,120 Fixed odds betting terminals. 473 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,360 You'll find FOBTs in every bookie 474 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,440 and each one takes hundreds of pounds a day. 475 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,480 Wow. And yet they so rarely pay out. 476 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Well, actually, no. They pay out almost every other spin. 477 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,840 Which is what makes them so addictive? 478 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,080 Exactly right. OK. 479 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,640 So the debate now turns to how to discourage punters. 480 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,840 Starting with an outright ban. 481 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,760 Well, not really. No-one is suggesting a ban as such. 482 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,960 But the white paper proposed a limit to the maximum bet. 483 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,480 That's it, exactly. 484 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,280 Meanwhile, whole communities are being ruined 485 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,920 and surely the Government has to see that. Absolutely. 486 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,680 Because the fallout has to be costing them money. 487 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,320 Well, in actual fact, gambling makes the Government more... OK. 488 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,000 ..through tax revenue than it costs it. 489 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,240 And the Treasury will be reluctant to lose that. Precisely, Jennie. 490 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,080 OK. So really, it's a... A tightrope? 491 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,760 A balancing act. Which is what a tightrope is. 492 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,520 Well, Ruth, thank you... Ruth, this is a bad thing, right? 493 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,960 It's complicated, certainly. 494 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,560 OK, then, it's a significant thing. 495 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,080 Well, some say it's not treated as significant enough. 496 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,320 But, in your opinion, now it's, if nothing else, worthy of comment. 497 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,560 It's not nothing, it's something. Yes. Thank you. 498 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,400 There'll be more from Ruth tomorrow. 499 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,320 I'm off tomorrow. The day after, then. 500 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,400 Now imagine you're a business owner. 501 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,960 You open up one morning to find your business has been attacked. 502 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,640 Attacked by bedroom-based do-badders known as hacktivists. 503 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,800 In a moment, we'll be hearing from one of these digital agitators, 504 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,280 but, first, who exactly do they target 505 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,200 and what kind of damage do they do? 506 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,480 Let's find out. 507 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,880 And we're off. 508 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,080 Right. Hold on. 509 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,480 So you made a great... 510 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,440 Going well, isn't it? Not bad. 511 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,000 Do you think Paul McCartney's watching this? 512 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,480 What do you think of Jennie? 513 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,680 She seems nice. 514 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,600 That's twice she's pinched your joke. 515 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,880 She's trying to rob you of your strength. 516 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,400 Like Delilah. Delilah? 517 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,040 The slag from the Bible. 518 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,560 Hello. Hi. 519 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,920 This is Lynn. 520 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,200 Mr Partridge's assistant. 521 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,880 I'm allowed to be here. 522 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,000 This is Jennie. I like your red top. Oh, thank you. 523 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,760 I saw a lady wearing one just like that outside a train station. 524 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960 She was enjoying a cigarette. 525 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,040 Her top matched her lipstick. 526 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,760 I think she was waiting for someone. 527 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,240 It's very pretty. 528 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,160 Stand by. We're going in five... 529 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,000 Bye. ..four... 530 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:51,560 And these keyboard warriors aren't even doing it for financial gain. 531 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,960 Yet why would someone spend time and effort 532 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,360 on something that doesn't earn them money? 533 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,680 Puzzled? Me too. 534 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,920 Here to tell more is one such hacktivist. 535 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,680 A bedroom Bolshevik with a bee in his bonnet. 536 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,920 Someone who doesn't lack the knack, or Mac, to hack or crack. 537 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,640 Let's put him on the rack. 538 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,880 LOUD FOOTSTEPS 539 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,960 I should warn you some viewers may find his appearance alarming. 540 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,520 Good evening. Hello. 541 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,200 And what would you like me to call you? Whatever you want. 542 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600 Neville. Oh, Mickey. 543 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,080 Mickey, you are a cyber-terrorist. 544 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,800 That's still a terrorist. 545 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,360 The only people we disrupt are the 1%, 546 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,440 the elite who control our financial assets, run our media, 547 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,720 own our governments and that means disabling their networks 548 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,840 to make people ask the big questions. 549 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,240 I'll ask the questions, if you don't mind. 550 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,720 You don't ask the big questions. 551 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,120 The ones that make people feel uncomfortable. Want to bet? 552 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,760 What is business for? How should we share resources? 553 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,040 Do you know who this is? Should I? This is Edward Finton-Quayle. 554 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,840 I don't know where the hyphen goes. It doesn't matter. 555 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Last month, you claimed responsibility for hacking 556 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,080 a major investment bank where his daddy works. 557 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,440 Thanks to you, he failed to achieve his bonus. 558 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,800 I'm not going to shed a tear. 559 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,520 He had a place ready at Charterhouse School, but, because of you, 560 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,320 his parents can't afford to send him there. 561 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,040 Perhaps you'd like to apologise to him. 562 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,760 Well, perhaps his dad should apologise for... Will you apologise? 563 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,480 If you're asking me, do I feel... 564 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,480 I'm asking you will you apologise to Fintey? 565 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,280 No. Will you not apologise to Fintey? 566 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,920 Yes. All right, you understand the rule about double negatives. 567 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,200 So that's a draw. 568 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,280 You media just parrot the view of the elite 569 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,160 and take pot shots at people prepared to stand up for something. 570 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,400 You're not the only one that stands up for things. 571 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,680 What have you ever stood up for? Lots of things. Like what? 572 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,800 The green belt. I once stood up in front of a digger, 573 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,720 like the student standing in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square, 574 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,880 except instead of the Chinese Communist Party, 575 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,880 it was the local council wanting to build some sort of leisure centre. 576 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Well, not on my watch. This is exactly what I'm talking about. 577 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,840 What have you actually done to make a difference? 578 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,360 Just taught people about hygiene. This isn't your main job. 579 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,520 You work for a local radio station owned by a media conglomerate. 580 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,080 That means you're the problem. 581 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,760 It's not even like it's worth your while. 582 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,200 You're on the third-lowest wage at North Norfolk Digital. 583 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,520 What? No, I'm not. 584 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,440 You're on two grand less than a guy called Wally Banter. 585 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,240 You hacked the finances of North Norfolk Digital? 586 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,440 I didn't even think that was possible. 587 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,320 What, because your IT security's so great? 588 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,840 No, because Janice does the accounts in exercise books. 589 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,400 Well, we did and surprise, surprise, another D-lister grubbing around 590 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,400 in the media while professing to give a shit about the world. 591 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,400 Sorry to disappoint you, mate, but some of us 592 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,720 are motivated by nothing more than a quest for the truth. 593 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,680 Thursday, 6:12pm, you e-mailed Eamonn Holmes to say 594 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,680 you'd got a guest presenting gig on BBC. 595 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,000 12 exclamation marks. You hacked me? 596 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,520 6:15pm, you e-mailed Lynn Benfield to say 597 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,480 "How much are BBC offering?" Valid question. 598 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520 6:20pm, you googled "BBC presenter salary", 599 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,200 at 6:22, you googled "John Inverdale salary", 600 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,560 6:23 "John Inverdale wage". Mickey, this is wrong. 601 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,840 7:20, you e-mailed Sue Barker. 602 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,400 "Sue, guess who's back in the big time?" 603 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,960 7:22, you e-mailed Richard Hammond. 604 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,960 "Richard, guess who's back in the big time?" 605 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,440 7:23, you e-mailed Delia Smith. 606 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,560 "Delia, guess who's big in the back time?" Doesn't even make sense. 607 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,240 I was typing fast. 7:26, you googled "This Time female presenter". 608 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,320 All right, all right. 609 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,880 At 7:50, you sent Facebook friend request to Jennie Gresham. 610 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,960 Mickey, please. 611 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,400 7:54, another message on Facebook, this time to Jennie Gresham. 612 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,320 All right, then, what if I wore a mask? 613 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,920 Recognise him? My name's Gavin. 614 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,560 I'm not anonymous any more. Where did you get that picture? 615 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,720 Photocopied it from your guest pass and then stabbed holes in your eyes. 616 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,560 Take it off now or this interview's over. 617 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,600 Oh, look, this mouse seems to be squeaking. 618 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,480 Is that why you called me Mickey? It's a giraffe. 619 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Oh, look, this giraffe seems to be winding his neck in. 620 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,800 I agreed to this interview on condition of anonymity. 621 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,320 Squeak, squeak. And that has... It's a giraffe! 622 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,440 All right, then. Arr! 623 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,120 This is ridiculous. That, I'm sorry, that's... 624 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:45,240 All right, I'm sorry. Please finish the interview. 625 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,120 The interview is null and void because of you. 626 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,480 I will pursue you. Guys, follow me. 627 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,960 I'm going off grid. 628 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,200 I'm going free-range, pursuing a chicken. 629 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,400 I will finish this. 630 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,080 I am still doing the interview. I'm still doing the interview. 631 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,800 I am still... Watch yourself there. ..doing the interview. 632 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,640 Will you finish the interview now, please? 633 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,640 Will you finish the interview now, please? 634 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,640 Will you finish the interview now, please? 635 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,800 Will you finish the interview now, please? 636 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,560 Will you finish the interview now, please? 637 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040 Will you finish the interview... Can you press floor three? 638 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,640 What? You're standing by the buttons. 639 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,560 Oh, yes, sorry. Three. Anyone else? 640 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,160 Two, please. 641 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,480 Will you finish? Oh... Gosh, look. 642 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560 Um, Emily Matiss...Emily Maitlis 643 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,480 from BBC's... Newsnight. ..Newsnight. Yep. 644 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,320 And just, I'm going to say, I'm a huge admirer of your technique. 645 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,800 You always strike just the right tone. 646 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,880 Doors open. Tenacious without being aggressive. 647 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,040 Yes, that's exactly right. 648 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,320 EMILY: Thank you. Thanks. 649 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,240 And if I may say so, in the current gender climate, 650 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,440 I think you bring a welcome touch of class to Newsnight. 651 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,680 I'll just leave it there. 652 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,560 That's nice of you. Thank you. 653 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,680 I kind of do what you do. 654 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,920 I'm just interviewing this hacktivist. 655 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,480 He's trying to wriggle off the hook. 656 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,040 Really? Have you asked him why they're being funded by people 657 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,520 with radically different political agendas, then? 658 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,960 Lift going down. Yes. 659 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,680 No, you haven't. Haven't I? No. I'm going to roll the dice here, 660 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,320 Emily. Could I possibly have your e-mail? No, I'm sorry. 661 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,680 I think this building is an architectural triumph. 662 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,400 Ground floor. There, said it. 663 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,200 Just lets you breathe. 664 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,480 Doors opening. Yeah. 665 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,720 Excuse me. That's OK. 666 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,720 Well, that's all... Two, please. 667 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,440 ..from This Time. Three, please. 668 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,520 Next week on This Time... Six, please. Six? 669 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,400 Five, please. ..John will be back. Sorry? 670 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,720 Five, please. Five. Uh... Seven, please. 671 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,240 Until next time on This Time, it's time to say we're out of time. 672 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,160 On This Time. Goodnight. 673 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,640 Second floor. 674 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Doors opening. 675 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Lift going up. 676 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,400 Floor eight, please. What? Eight? Eight. 677 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,480 Third floor.