1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:10,677 Hey, all you cool cats and kittens. It's me, Joel McHale. 2 00:00:10,744 --> 00:00:15,181 And as you're all aware, we're currently in the midst of a global pandemic. 3 00:00:15,248 --> 00:00:17,150 Tiger King fever! 4 00:00:17,217 --> 00:00:20,920 Like you, I've devoured all seven episodes and I'm still craving more. 5 00:00:20,987 --> 00:00:26,092 So, I called up Netflix and insisted on hosting a glitzy follow-up special 6 00:00:26,159 --> 00:00:28,895 with the highest possible production quality. 7 00:00:28,962 --> 00:00:31,464 They said, "We're gonna mail you an iPhone. 8 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:32,999 Knock yourself out." 9 00:00:33,066 --> 00:00:35,201 So, we've gathered some of the key players 10 00:00:35,268 --> 00:00:38,905 for a look back at the twists and turns of the Tiger King saga, 11 00:00:38,972 --> 00:00:42,809 and we'll find out where their lives have taken them since the show ended. 12 00:00:42,876 --> 00:00:46,579 What is it like outside the mulletted realm of Joe Exotic? 13 00:00:46,646 --> 00:00:49,449 How does it feel when the world turns you into a meme? 14 00:00:49,516 --> 00:00:54,320 And is the Wi-Fi signal at their home strong enough for a one-on-one interview? 15 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:58,291 Hmm. Those questions and more are about to be answered. 16 00:00:58,358 --> 00:01:01,428 This is "The Tiger King and I." 17 00:01:10,103 --> 00:01:11,237 How are you, man? 18 00:01:11,304 --> 00:01:14,207 Oh, just living clean. Loving Jesus. What's up with you? 19 00:01:14,774 --> 00:01:17,444 I'm clean living and loving Jesus, too. This is great. 20 00:01:18,278 --> 00:01:22,582 Erik Cowie. He's one of my favorite people on the documentary. 21 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:26,019 He's deeply compelling. Erik, welcome to the after show. 22 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:29,322 -Thanks for having me. -Did you wash your glorious hair today? 23 00:01:29,389 --> 00:01:32,892 No. What's the point, you know. I'm gonna get peed on every day, so... 24 00:01:33,693 --> 00:01:37,764 Erik, this whole thing is possibly now 25 00:01:37,831 --> 00:01:40,867 the biggest documentary in human history. 26 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:43,436 How has your life changed? 27 00:01:43,503 --> 00:01:46,473 I haven't seen it. I really haven't. 28 00:01:46,539 --> 00:01:47,874 -You haven't seen it? -Ten minutes. 29 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:51,077 No! No. And I need to, because, uh, that way, 30 00:01:51,144 --> 00:01:54,547 I can have at least some semblance of ammunition for, you know, 31 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:56,649 some of the things that come out of people's mouths 32 00:01:56,716 --> 00:01:59,052 or the me-mes or memes or whatever they're called. 33 00:01:59,686 --> 00:02:03,823 Uh, you know, I... I don’t know where they're coming from or what... 34 00:02:03,890 --> 00:02:05,625 You know, so... No, I haven't seen it. 35 00:02:05,692 --> 00:02:07,927 Why haven't you seen it yet? I have to ask. 36 00:02:07,994 --> 00:02:09,262 I work! 37 00:02:09,329 --> 00:02:12,799 You need to tell Jeff and Lauren to give you a couple of hours off 38 00:02:12,866 --> 00:02:15,101 to start in on this thing. 39 00:02:15,168 --> 00:02:17,137 When was the last time you went out in public? 40 00:02:17,203 --> 00:02:20,273 Like to a... You know, to a mall or a Walmart or something? 41 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:21,474 About three days ago. 42 00:02:21,541 --> 00:02:24,177 It's rather odd, walking through the parking lot 43 00:02:24,244 --> 00:02:26,446 and everybody's got their cell phones out and... 44 00:02:26,513 --> 00:02:29,983 Yeah, I'm just a... just a fucking guy, you know. 45 00:02:30,049 --> 00:02:32,685 And your current title remains Head Zookeeper? 46 00:02:32,752 --> 00:02:35,221 Oh... Uh, yeah. Um... 47 00:02:36,289 --> 00:02:39,559 Major asshole, uh... I don't know. 48 00:02:39,626 --> 00:02:42,562 Do you have any regrets about your time with Joe? 49 00:02:42,629 --> 00:02:44,964 Sure. Oh, yeah. Um... 50 00:02:45,398 --> 00:02:46,733 Give me your top 200. 51 00:02:46,799 --> 00:02:49,569 -No, I'm kidding. What's in the top five? -It... It's... 52 00:02:49,636 --> 00:02:52,005 It's been in the back of my head. I think about it a lot. 53 00:02:52,071 --> 00:02:55,842 A lot of times, when we put cats down and... And... 54 00:02:55,909 --> 00:03:02,415 They used me because just by my appearance, or my voice, you know, uh, 55 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:06,286 I could get a cat up the side of a cage where we can dart it and tranquilize it, 56 00:03:06,352 --> 00:03:07,921 so they could be put down and stuff. 57 00:03:07,987 --> 00:03:10,590 You know, those cats trusted me up until the end 58 00:03:10,657 --> 00:03:12,959 and somehow... Sometimes, I swear they're like, 59 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:15,028 "Dude, you let me down" kinda thing. 60 00:03:15,094 --> 00:03:17,130 I could see it in their face and their eyes. 61 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:18,631 When you have to do that to a cat, 62 00:03:18,698 --> 00:03:21,801 I assume there's a medical or a... 63 00:03:21,868 --> 00:03:23,736 Or something's going on with the cat 64 00:03:23,803 --> 00:03:25,672 that it can't continue to live. 65 00:03:25,738 --> 00:03:28,541 Hmm, you would think. But no. 66 00:03:28,608 --> 00:03:30,843 -Oh. -Even before all this happened, 67 00:03:30,910 --> 00:03:34,747 Jeff asked me once, I mean, point blank, where do my loyalties lie. 68 00:03:34,814 --> 00:03:37,817 And, you know, without hesitation, I said, "My loyalties..." 69 00:03:37,884 --> 00:03:40,286 "I don’t care about you, I don’t care about Joe. 70 00:03:40,353 --> 00:03:42,121 I'm here for the cats." 71 00:03:42,188 --> 00:03:45,992 These are my kids out here. Every cat's different in their own 72 00:03:46,059 --> 00:03:49,862 different, special little fucked up way. You know, so, it makes them endearing. 73 00:03:49,929 --> 00:03:54,500 Who do you think had it better at the zoo, the animals or the workers? 74 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:56,502 The animals. Yeah. 75 00:03:56,569 --> 00:04:01,040 Joe was just a... He was an asshole, man. I mean, you couldn't talk to him 76 00:04:01,107 --> 00:04:05,511 and... without getting yelled at. I mean, he'd run people off in 20 minutes. 77 00:04:05,578 --> 00:04:11,351 And just by the just absurdly crass things that would come out of his mouth. 78 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:14,187 And so, obviously, as you've just been saying, 79 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:17,557 you're still working with animals. And by that I mean, Jeff Lowe. 80 00:04:17,624 --> 00:04:19,993 How is it working out working for him? 81 00:04:20,059 --> 00:04:21,060 It's pretty relaxed. 82 00:04:21,127 --> 00:04:25,898 I mean, there's not the random, uh, you know, yellings at, and just... 83 00:04:25,965 --> 00:04:30,003 You know, just for no reasons. And pretty calm guy. 84 00:04:30,069 --> 00:04:31,604 Have you met the nanny? 85 00:04:31,671 --> 00:04:34,073 I just saw her booty and that's about it. 86 00:04:35,208 --> 00:04:40,380 Now, I'm really shifting gears here, but do you think Joe should be free? 87 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:41,948 Do you think he should be a free man? 88 00:04:42,015 --> 00:04:45,652 -No! Not no, but fuck no. -Yeah. 89 00:04:45,718 --> 00:04:47,920 Twenty-two years doing federal time... 90 00:04:47,987 --> 00:04:50,323 What's that guy, like 56, something like that? 91 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:51,858 He's gonna die in there, so... 92 00:04:51,924 --> 00:04:53,860 -Yeah. -Good riddance. 93 00:04:53,926 --> 00:04:56,296 Yeah. All right. Wow. That is... 94 00:04:56,362 --> 00:04:57,664 Powerful statement. 95 00:04:57,730 --> 00:05:00,533 Can you imagine what he must be like in jail right now, 96 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,268 now that he finally got what he wanted, 97 00:05:02,335 --> 00:05:05,471 which was an extreme amount of fame and press? 98 00:05:05,538 --> 00:05:08,875 I'm pretty sure they don’t have access to Netflix or anything. 99 00:05:08,941 --> 00:05:10,910 -So he can't even get to see it. -Right. 100 00:05:12,612 --> 00:05:14,280 I love irony. So, that's that. 101 00:05:14,347 --> 00:05:16,983 This is a very serious question, Erik. 102 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:18,885 You're being compared to Vince Neil. 103 00:05:18,951 --> 00:05:21,487 -Does... Are you flattered by that? -Oh, God. 104 00:05:21,554 --> 00:05:23,289 -I fucking hate Mötley Crüe. -Does it... 105 00:05:23,356 --> 00:05:27,126 Oh. wow. This is... You're hearing it now, Mötley Crüe. Wow. 106 00:05:27,193 --> 00:05:29,495 They never been my thing. Uh-uh. Nah. 107 00:05:29,562 --> 00:05:33,032 It was too... Too plastic, man. It was... Yeah, I'm sorry. 108 00:05:33,099 --> 00:05:34,400 Yeah. Well, you're obviously... 109 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:37,070 You also have a much lower body fat percentage 110 00:05:37,136 --> 00:05:38,538 than Vince Neil does right now. 111 00:05:38,604 --> 00:05:41,274 I didn't say that. That came outta your mouth, okay? 112 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:42,575 That did. 113 00:05:42,642 --> 00:05:46,579 And Vince probably will come after me. It'll be a slow walk to get me, but... 114 00:05:46,646 --> 00:05:48,614 - Well, Erik, 115 00:05:48,681 --> 00:05:51,951 you seem like, uh, the genuine thing. 116 00:05:52,018 --> 00:05:53,820 You seem like a dang good guy. 117 00:05:53,886 --> 00:05:55,154 Well, thanks, man. 118 00:05:55,221 --> 00:05:58,124 Don't stick your hand in a cage anytime soon. 119 00:05:58,191 --> 00:05:59,792 Do that every day. 120 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:03,563 Oh, okay. Well, just do it, you know, just a finger or two is fine. 121 00:06:03,629 --> 00:06:06,733 Yeah. I've been down that road, too. It's really not that bad. 122 00:06:06,799 --> 00:06:08,067 You know what I tell everybody? 123 00:06:08,134 --> 00:06:10,770 People ask, "Does it hurt?" It's like, "Yeah, it hurts. 124 00:06:10,837 --> 00:06:12,538 Until it stops, and then you're good." 125 00:06:12,605 --> 00:06:15,608 Well, thank you again. Anything else you'd like to add? 126 00:06:15,675 --> 00:06:17,810 No matter what anybody else says, okay, yeah, 127 00:06:17,877 --> 00:06:20,613 all my teeth are jacked up. I'm sorry, I'm old, man. 128 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,915 It's what happens. It's gonna happen to you, too. 129 00:06:22,982 --> 00:06:26,886 And no, I don’t do meth. I never have. I like sleeping too much. 130 00:06:26,953 --> 00:06:29,255 I used to have a drinking problem. Now I do not. 131 00:06:29,322 --> 00:06:31,190 So, ah, fuck all y'all, man. 132 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:37,296 These two Tiger King participants either stole the zoo or saved the zoo. 133 00:06:37,363 --> 00:06:40,433 But either way you look at it, they have an open marriage. 134 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:42,568 It's Jeff and Lauren Lowe, everybody. 135 00:06:43,703 --> 00:06:46,072 Thank you so much for coming on. 136 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:48,674 I have a big question for you, Jeff, right off the top. 137 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:51,744 How many Affliction t-shirts do you own? 138 00:06:51,811 --> 00:06:54,347 I bet you I've got 60 or 70. 139 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:56,282 That's terrifying. 140 00:06:56,349 --> 00:07:00,386 The zoo is shut down, obviously, right now, because of the pandemic? 141 00:07:00,453 --> 00:07:01,521 -Yes. Mmm-hmm. -Yes. 142 00:07:01,587 --> 00:07:04,190 Are the tigers keeping six feet away from each other? 143 00:07:05,024 --> 00:07:08,361 Um, you know, most of them do. But every once in a while, 144 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:10,696 you'll hear some hanky-panky going on out there. 145 00:07:10,763 --> 00:07:12,432 Some of them are breaking the rules. 146 00:07:12,498 --> 00:07:14,500 And how's the nanny working out? 147 00:07:14,567 --> 00:07:16,602 -The nanny's excellent. -She's hot. 148 00:07:16,669 --> 00:07:19,806 Yeah, she's excellent. You've seen her. 149 00:07:19,872 --> 00:07:21,307 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 150 00:07:21,374 --> 00:07:25,978 The first thing it says when you type in "Jeff" now on Google, 151 00:07:26,045 --> 00:07:27,647 it just says "Jeff Lowe Nanny." 152 00:07:29,182 --> 00:07:30,450 We gotta look that up. 153 00:07:30,516 --> 00:07:32,919 When you guys look back on the series... 154 00:07:32,985 --> 00:07:34,787 Obviously, now it's the phenomenon. 155 00:07:34,854 --> 00:07:37,390 Were you happy about how you were portrayed? 156 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:41,794 No. I mean, I think they tried to sensationalize the story a little bit 157 00:07:41,861 --> 00:07:45,798 to give it a villain. And villain is right here. 158 00:07:45,865 --> 00:07:50,837 You did say, Jeff, everybody starts out well with you and ends bad. 159 00:07:50,903 --> 00:07:55,208 All these guys come to me when they're in trouble, like Joe. 160 00:07:55,274 --> 00:07:58,177 And then as soon as I help 'em, and I no longer help them, 161 00:07:58,244 --> 00:07:59,645 -they turn on me. -They backstab. 162 00:07:59,712 --> 00:08:01,714 You know what, I'm getting used to it. 163 00:08:01,781 --> 00:08:03,883 I don’t know where you found Allen, 164 00:08:03,950 --> 00:08:07,386 but he's the most terrifying person I've ever seen on camera. 165 00:08:07,453 --> 00:08:09,722 -You know, he's the kindest... -He is the sweetest. 166 00:08:09,789 --> 00:08:11,858 He's the sweetest hitman you ever could hire. 167 00:08:11,924 --> 00:08:14,694 He's got the eyes of a wolf, to me. 168 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,662 It scares the hell outta me. 169 00:08:16,729 --> 00:08:19,699 A question from a Facebook fan. 170 00:08:19,765 --> 00:08:25,304 "Whose brilliant idea was it for Allen to be filmed in the bathtub?" 171 00:08:25,371 --> 00:08:28,474 I don’t have an answer for that. 'Cause when we saw that, we were like... 172 00:08:28,541 --> 00:08:30,376 "What the hell is going on?" 173 00:08:30,443 --> 00:08:33,079 I think Erik, for some reason, wanted to see Allen in a bathtub. 174 00:08:33,145 --> 00:08:35,715 It was hot and terrifying all at the same time. 175 00:08:35,781 --> 00:08:39,218 -Kinda slexy, wasn't it? -How many times have you guys watched it? 176 00:08:39,285 --> 00:08:40,620 -One painful time. -One time. 177 00:08:40,686 --> 00:08:43,689 We watched it, like two hours... 178 00:08:43,756 --> 00:08:46,893 Like, oh, I don’t know, we woke up at probably about five o'clock 179 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:48,794 just to get a bit of a head start on it 180 00:08:48,861 --> 00:08:53,533 before really anyone else watched it, just so we knew what we were facing. 181 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:56,569 Do you have more biker jackets than you do Affliction shirts? 182 00:08:56,636 --> 00:08:59,005 I don’t think I saw the same jacket twice during the series. 183 00:08:59,071 --> 00:09:01,607 -I have quite a few, um... -Yeah. 184 00:09:01,674 --> 00:09:05,645 You know, and I started wearing the leather because of the tigers. 185 00:09:05,711 --> 00:09:11,183 We don’t declaw, and my arms were just getting ripped all to hell, so I always... 186 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:13,185 Now, it's just that I'm Fonzie. 187 00:09:13,252 --> 00:09:17,390 Jeff, how do you respond to people who say that Joe was set up? 188 00:09:17,456 --> 00:09:19,025 It's a complete crock of shit. 189 00:09:19,091 --> 00:09:21,994 You guys saw all the videos that Joe was posting. 190 00:09:22,061 --> 00:09:23,629 -Joe was his own worst enemy. -Yeah. 191 00:09:23,696 --> 00:09:26,399 He should have gone on the stand and testified against himself. 192 00:09:26,465 --> 00:09:29,969 Those videos where he's shooting Carole, hanging Carole, blowing Carole up... 193 00:09:30,036 --> 00:09:32,338 -The blow-up dolls. -...putting rattlesnakes in her mailbox. 194 00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:35,207 "Who's gonna finish this bitch?" "Who's gonna go get this bitch?" 195 00:09:35,274 --> 00:09:38,044 Joe didn't get set up. Joe killed the tigers, 196 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:41,180 he admitted to killing the tigers from jail. 197 00:09:41,247 --> 00:09:43,549 -Um... Uh... -And they were healthy tigers. 198 00:09:43,616 --> 00:09:45,985 -They were two to three years old. -He said they were sick. 199 00:09:46,052 --> 00:09:48,788 They were beautiful, healthy tigers that he called over to the fence 200 00:09:48,854 --> 00:09:51,624 and he shot 'em in the head because he needed the cage space. 201 00:09:51,691 --> 00:09:54,160 So Joe goes out there and makes the room for these cats 202 00:09:54,226 --> 00:09:56,796 by killing five beautiful, healthy tigers. 203 00:09:56,862 --> 00:09:58,864 Do you remember, they said they found a bug, 204 00:09:58,931 --> 00:10:01,300 the antenna that was coming out of the office? 205 00:10:01,367 --> 00:10:03,269 -Were you there when that happened? -Oh, my God! 206 00:10:03,336 --> 00:10:05,538 That's a crock of shit. That's a two-way radio antenna. 207 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:07,073 That's for our radio systems here. 208 00:10:07,139 --> 00:10:08,608 I think that John Reinke put... 209 00:10:08,674 --> 00:10:12,845 It's one of those magnetic antennas that... Josh Dial said that. 210 00:10:12,912 --> 00:10:15,348 James Garretson implied that he had more dirt on you 211 00:10:15,414 --> 00:10:20,219 as he rode off into the sunset on that jet ski to "Eye of the Tiger." 212 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:21,821 Wasn't that sexy? 213 00:10:21,887 --> 00:10:23,556 -That was... -He is a sexy man. 214 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,625 Are you worried at all about that? 215 00:10:25,691 --> 00:10:29,528 Not at all, because what James Garretson fails to remember is I know the truth. 216 00:10:29,595 --> 00:10:31,731 -I know why he cooperated with the feds. -Yeah. 217 00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:33,766 -It wasn't over a lemur. Trust me. -Exactly. 218 00:10:33,833 --> 00:10:35,801 We went to my attorneys and my attorney said, 219 00:10:35,868 --> 00:10:39,538 "You know what? With this information, I have to go to the feds." 220 00:10:39,605 --> 00:10:42,708 Did you report James Garretson's hairdresser to the feds? 221 00:10:42,775 --> 00:10:44,510 Yeah. 222 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:47,079 I gotta ask. Do you think Carole killed her ex-husband? 223 00:10:47,146 --> 00:10:48,748 -Abso-fucking-lutely. -Yeah. 224 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:51,851 And there's no question in my mind that she did it 225 00:10:51,917 --> 00:10:55,755 and, you know, we've claimed that for years and years and years. 226 00:10:55,821 --> 00:10:57,456 What's more disturbing, 227 00:10:57,523 --> 00:11:01,594 the fact that Carole may have killed her ex-husband 228 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:04,630 or her wedding photos with Howard? 229 00:11:04,697 --> 00:11:05,531 Ooh! 230 00:11:05,598 --> 00:11:09,235 I don’t even know what to say to Howard about that. 231 00:11:09,301 --> 00:11:11,404 That's almost more disturbing than the murder. 232 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:16,809 Joe is obviously more famous than he ever could have possibly imagined. 233 00:11:16,876 --> 00:11:20,813 How difficult do you think it is for him to be locked away right now? 234 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,116 Well, we're getting reports that he's trying to get to a computer 235 00:11:24,183 --> 00:11:26,018 so he can respond to his fans. 236 00:11:26,085 --> 00:11:30,089 You know, this is the notoriety and fame that Joe always wanted. 237 00:11:30,156 --> 00:11:33,492 And it's pretty ironic that now he's stuck in a cage 238 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,661 and can't even enjoy it. 239 00:11:35,728 --> 00:11:39,699 He's where he belongs and I would probably just tell him, you know, "Gotcha." 240 00:11:39,765 --> 00:11:43,369 The USDA tried to take him down. PETA has tried to take him down. 241 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:45,871 -Humane Society tried to take... -Carole Baskin tried. 242 00:11:45,938 --> 00:11:48,641 Carole Baskin spent $2.5 million trying to take him down. 243 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:50,209 And we're the ones that did it. 244 00:11:50,276 --> 00:11:53,579 Would you guys do another series of episodes if it was offered? 245 00:11:53,646 --> 00:11:54,747 I don’t know. 246 00:11:54,814 --> 00:11:56,882 They can't attack me legitimately, 247 00:11:56,949 --> 00:12:01,487 so they try to associate me to every criminal since El Chapo. 248 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:02,755 And it's just not fair. 249 00:12:02,822 --> 00:12:05,124 Are you saying that you worked with El Chapo? 250 00:12:05,758 --> 00:12:08,227 - Only to help dig the tunnels. - No. 251 00:12:10,196 --> 00:12:11,897 He managed the zoo 252 00:12:11,964 --> 00:12:15,501 and managed to keep up with Joe even though he has no legs. 253 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:16,635 John Reinke. 254 00:12:16,702 --> 00:12:19,972 John, thank you for coming back. How are you doing? 255 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,875 I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. 256 00:12:22,942 --> 00:12:25,711 Did you ever imagine anything like this? 257 00:12:25,778 --> 00:12:28,914 No. No, I couldn't imagine. And I'm not a star. 258 00:12:28,981 --> 00:12:31,450 I just done a documentary. I can't imagine how... 259 00:12:31,517 --> 00:12:34,987 You're a star, not me. I can't imagine how y'all deal with this every day. 260 00:12:35,054 --> 00:12:38,491 Well, I was a star... 2009 was a big year for me. 261 00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:43,028 Everyone seems so committed to their jobs and they love the cats so much. 262 00:12:43,095 --> 00:12:46,532 Would you say you were committed to Joe or the animals? 263 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:47,967 Definitely the animals. 264 00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:51,837 When my legs actually got bad, and I had to have the other one amputated, 265 00:12:51,904 --> 00:12:54,740 it kept me going. I looked forward to taking care of the animals. 266 00:12:54,807 --> 00:12:57,743 Seeing the ones that I've raised and watched them grow up. 267 00:12:57,810 --> 00:13:00,246 Animals don’t give you any crap, just people. 268 00:13:00,312 --> 00:13:04,116 Yeah, animals don’t give you any crap, but they might bite you 269 00:13:04,183 --> 00:13:07,219 and you might die from a tremendous tiger bite. 270 00:13:07,286 --> 00:13:09,655 That's one of the slight hazards of the job. 271 00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:13,225 Did Joe realize how important you were to the zoo? 272 00:13:13,292 --> 00:13:14,393 To keep it going? 273 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,796 Um, I don’t think so. 'Cause numerous times, 274 00:13:16,862 --> 00:13:19,198 he had told me that I couldn't run the zoo. 275 00:13:19,265 --> 00:13:21,000 That I wouldn't know how to run the zoo. 276 00:13:21,066 --> 00:13:22,902 Um, numerous times he told me that. 277 00:13:22,968 --> 00:13:25,104 He always tried to keep everybody smaller than him. 278 00:13:25,171 --> 00:13:27,039 Right. Did you ever say anything like, 279 00:13:27,106 --> 00:13:28,808 "You don’t know how to pick a hairdresser"? 280 00:13:30,776 --> 00:13:34,079 No, his mullet was pretty much... That was pretty much him. 281 00:13:34,146 --> 00:13:35,481 That's his insignia so... 282 00:13:35,548 --> 00:13:38,117 But you clearly loved... You liked working there. 283 00:13:38,184 --> 00:13:42,922 You worked there for a long time and yet, Joe seemed to be quite an asshole. 284 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:44,723 And how do you rectify that? 285 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:46,158 Yeah, he just kinda just... 286 00:13:46,225 --> 00:13:48,661 You just look at your day and you just go on with it. 287 00:13:48,727 --> 00:13:50,663 We got into plenty of verbal fights, 288 00:13:50,729 --> 00:13:53,365 um, but he was always belittling somebody. 289 00:13:53,432 --> 00:13:55,301 I mean, always. I mean... 290 00:13:55,367 --> 00:13:57,770 He just got to where it was all about the cameras 291 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:00,773 and he would fire somebody just because he needed to fire somebody. 292 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,808 Whoa. That... 293 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:05,377 Did you ever want to take one of your legs and throw it at him? 294 00:14:06,111 --> 00:14:09,481 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've threatened to beat him before. 295 00:14:09,548 --> 00:14:11,784 The man done a lotta stupid shit. 296 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:15,221 I mean, towards the end, he got to where he's blowing everything up. 297 00:14:15,287 --> 00:14:18,290 I mean, hell, he blew up my golf cart and my damn cabin. I mean... 298 00:14:18,357 --> 00:14:20,693 -He did? -Yeah. Yeah. 299 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:22,661 Knocked the windshield out of my golf cart. 300 00:14:22,728 --> 00:14:25,531 Blew a hole in my cabin. Yeah. Blew a window out. 301 00:14:25,598 --> 00:14:28,868 Jeff Lowe took over the zoo from Joe. Did you get along with Jeff? 302 00:14:29,435 --> 00:14:33,105 I did at first, but then he thought I was talking to Joe 303 00:14:33,172 --> 00:14:34,673 while Joe was incarcerated. 304 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:36,709 And I quit the same day Joe quit 305 00:14:36,775 --> 00:14:39,845 because Jeff and Dillon got in a fist fight in the parking lot 306 00:14:39,912 --> 00:14:41,847 and they rolled around for 15 minutes, 307 00:14:41,914 --> 00:14:44,183 and that's when I made my decision to leave the same day. 308 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:46,852 Yeah, and that's a very long fist fight, 15 minutes. 309 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:48,087 -That sounds like... -Yeah. 310 00:14:48,153 --> 00:14:50,589 ...two of the worst fist-fighters I've ever heard of. 311 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:53,726 A fan on Facebook wants to ask you 312 00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:57,630 who the skeleton was in the passenger seat of your car? 313 00:14:59,131 --> 00:15:00,866 That was my only friend at the time. 314 00:15:00,933 --> 00:15:04,236 I'm an asshole just like Joe is. I mean, it's... You know, I just... 315 00:15:04,303 --> 00:15:07,072 I don’t hang out with people because people stab you in the back. 316 00:15:07,139 --> 00:15:09,942 Now that you're on the most popular documentary in history, 317 00:15:10,009 --> 00:15:12,811 how has your... What is it like to go out now? 318 00:15:12,878 --> 00:15:15,114 Uh, it's a lot different, actually. 319 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:17,917 You're just waiting on somebody to come up to you, uh... 320 00:15:17,983 --> 00:15:19,418 They don’t care about the COVID. 321 00:15:19,485 --> 00:15:23,656 They want to shake your hand, get a picture with you. Um, it's pretty crazy. 322 00:15:23,722 --> 00:15:27,493 So, can they tell you're coming, 'cause they can see the painted legs? 323 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:30,963 - Do they immediately know it's you? - Yeah. 324 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:32,731 I mean, I haven't worn pants in... 325 00:15:32,798 --> 00:15:34,900 I wore pants to the sentencing, but other than that, 326 00:15:34,967 --> 00:15:37,236 I haven’t worn pants in decades. I don’t wear pants. 327 00:15:37,303 --> 00:15:39,138 -So I got my legs all dressed up. -Right. 328 00:15:39,204 --> 00:15:40,172 People need to see them. 329 00:15:40,239 --> 00:15:45,210 Do you know that those pants are probably very valuable now if you still have them? 330 00:15:46,312 --> 00:15:48,013 They probably are. I do still have them, 331 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,416 'cause I'm sure I'm gonna go back to court over this. 332 00:15:50,482 --> 00:15:52,918 -It's not over. -You think you're gonna go back? 333 00:15:52,985 --> 00:15:56,121 -Oh, yeah, I'm sure. -Because of Joe's appeals? 334 00:15:56,188 --> 00:15:57,189 Joe's appeal. 335 00:15:57,256 --> 00:16:00,926 I haven't heard an ending to this case yet, so, who knows. 336 00:16:00,993 --> 00:16:03,262 Have you had any contact with Joe at all? 337 00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:04,396 I have not. 338 00:16:04,463 --> 00:16:09,301 I have refrained from contacting that man because he don’t know how to shut up. 339 00:16:09,368 --> 00:16:12,037 And he'll just keep talking, and everything's recorded. 340 00:16:12,104 --> 00:16:17,376 Now, I'm sure when this pandemic lifts, there's gonna be a movie of you guys. 341 00:16:17,443 --> 00:16:18,777 So, who should play you? 342 00:16:18,844 --> 00:16:22,281 - I'm sticking with Matthew McConaughey. - To play you? 343 00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:25,617 Because a lot of people are talking about McConaughey to play Joe. 344 00:16:25,684 --> 00:16:28,487 I... Yeah, I don’t know about that, you know... 345 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:31,190 -You have a new wife? -No, I have a girlfriend. 346 00:16:31,256 --> 00:16:34,526 I'm actually not divorced yet 'cause of COVID, that all got put off. 347 00:16:34,593 --> 00:16:36,829 If we get back to a normal routine, I can get divorced 348 00:16:36,895 --> 00:16:38,497 and I have a new girlfriend now. 349 00:16:38,564 --> 00:16:39,498 And how's it going? 350 00:16:39,565 --> 00:16:42,601 It's going great. I'm the happiest I've been in a long time. 351 00:16:42,668 --> 00:16:45,804 Is she like, "I can't believe I'm dating a celebrity"? 352 00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:51,443 Yeah. We're both actually saying that. I don’t consider myself a celebrity. 353 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:54,313 I just think I'm a guy on a damn documentary. I don’t know. 354 00:16:54,980 --> 00:16:56,915 The one person on this show 355 00:16:56,982 --> 00:17:00,386 who should never have trouble getting hired anywhere. 356 00:17:00,452 --> 00:17:03,522 He really gives it all for his job, Saff. 357 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:06,592 Saff, thank you for calling in. 358 00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:09,228 It's a pleasure. Thank you for having me. 359 00:17:09,294 --> 00:17:11,764 Has your life changed at all since it was released? 360 00:17:11,830 --> 00:17:14,233 It has, in a sense of, um, 361 00:17:14,299 --> 00:17:17,036 I don’t have any anonymity. 362 00:17:17,102 --> 00:17:20,339 I have been recognized in public places, which is new to me. 363 00:17:20,406 --> 00:17:22,274 When was the first time you were recognized? 364 00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:26,845 I was walking through Walmart on a late-night run. 365 00:17:26,912 --> 00:17:28,280 Should've only took me ten minutes, 366 00:17:28,347 --> 00:17:32,217 but I was stopped three times, during a pandemic, in Walmart. 367 00:17:32,284 --> 00:17:37,456 You clearly love the animals and you seem very committed to your job. 368 00:17:37,523 --> 00:17:40,459 Were you more loyal to Joe or to the animals? 369 00:17:40,526 --> 00:17:41,693 Definitely the animals. 370 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,462 It seemed like I was loyal to him, 371 00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:46,665 I think, because he was the big head of everything. 372 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:49,668 But everything I sacrificed was for the animals. 373 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:53,906 Joe admitted to shooting some of the tigers, outright. 374 00:17:53,972 --> 00:17:55,607 Were you outraged by that? 375 00:17:56,241 --> 00:17:58,977 Yes, uh... Obviously, I was. 376 00:17:59,945 --> 00:18:02,681 But at that point, it's out of my control. 377 00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:05,451 Joe always had a way of explaining his actions. 378 00:18:05,517 --> 00:18:10,889 So, "They were old, they were injured, they were suffering," is what we got. 379 00:18:10,956 --> 00:18:13,492 After seeing all the episodes, has it changed your views 380 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:16,862 on whether these animals should be kept in captivity? 381 00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:19,498 I never thought that they should be kept in captivity. 382 00:18:19,565 --> 00:18:20,899 But I knew the reality of it, 383 00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:24,236 and the reality of it is, they cannot be returned to the wild. 384 00:18:24,303 --> 00:18:27,239 And there's not much of a wild for them to return to. 385 00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:29,308 Saff, you identify as a man. 386 00:18:29,374 --> 00:18:33,178 Were you upset when they kept referring to you as "she" on the show? 387 00:18:33,245 --> 00:18:36,515 I don’t think it bothered me as much as it bothered everyone else. 388 00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:38,951 Um, I didn't really pay it any mind. 389 00:18:39,017 --> 00:18:44,123 One of the biggest moments in the show is when your arm is horribly injured. 390 00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:46,358 And... 391 00:18:46,425 --> 00:18:50,195 And you laugh. Yes, the horrible injury you suffered, it's hilarious. 392 00:18:50,262 --> 00:18:52,764 I've seen a couple of interviews you've done 393 00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:57,302 and you don’t seem to have any regrets about it getting taken off. 394 00:18:57,870 --> 00:19:01,740 No, I don’t. I know I made the right decision when I made it 395 00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:04,009 and I would make that decision over and over again. 396 00:19:04,076 --> 00:19:05,911 So, no, I don’t have any regrets. 397 00:19:06,578 --> 00:19:10,682 When you got injured, did you go, "Oh, no, 398 00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:15,687 a man with a bleached mullet, who's not an EMT and dressed like one, 399 00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:17,256 is gonna try to save my life"? 400 00:19:17,322 --> 00:19:20,893 Yeah. No, I don’t think I even remember what he was wearing on the day. 401 00:19:20,959 --> 00:19:24,963 I had more pressing priorities to worry about. 402 00:19:25,030 --> 00:19:28,167 I assumed that it was almost instantaneous when it happened? 403 00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:31,170 Or did the tiger fight you for your arm? 404 00:19:31,236 --> 00:19:35,007 Oh, no. There's no fight between me and a 600-pound tiger. No. 405 00:19:35,073 --> 00:19:37,776 It took all of 15 to 20 seconds maybe, 406 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:40,579 from the time he bit me to the moment he let me go. 407 00:19:40,646 --> 00:19:44,383 Wow. Did you... Was it awkward with the cat afterwards? 408 00:19:44,816 --> 00:19:49,621 Um, no, not for me, and I would never know from him. 409 00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:51,623 We did have to obviously move him, 410 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:54,126 so his life did change drastically in that sense. 411 00:19:55,127 --> 00:19:58,997 But he didn't look at your right arm and start licking his chops or anything? 412 00:19:59,064 --> 00:20:01,300 Not in front of me. No. 413 00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:03,969 Now, did you watch the actual footage of the attack? 414 00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:06,371 I have. Over and over. Yes, sir. 415 00:20:06,438 --> 00:20:09,107 Oh, my gosh! Over and over? 416 00:20:09,174 --> 00:20:13,011 There was a time and place where we actually used it as a safety video. 417 00:20:13,078 --> 00:20:15,147 Did he ever give you any money for that? 418 00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:17,149 Or was he like, "No fuckin' way!"? 419 00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:23,422 No, I mean, we didn't even have any further of a conversation than, 420 00:20:23,488 --> 00:20:26,925 "This should be the one thing people need to see before they decide 421 00:20:26,992 --> 00:20:29,461 if this is a career move they wanna make." 422 00:20:29,528 --> 00:20:32,364 Can you tell us the story of the Thanksgiving dinner? 423 00:20:32,431 --> 00:20:35,601 - Was there more to that than we saw? - Yes, there definitely was. 424 00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:37,002 They showed him serving it, 425 00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:39,371 but they never explained what he was doing. 426 00:20:39,438 --> 00:20:43,842 He fed people for free, a full Thanksgiving dinner 427 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:47,579 that him and his family cooked, you know, for the entire night prior. 428 00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:52,551 Every single year since I've been there, and I've been there for almost ten years. 429 00:20:52,618 --> 00:20:54,953 I've seen him give the jacket off his back for people. 430 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:57,489 And I think that wasn't highlighted enough. 431 00:20:57,556 --> 00:21:00,792 Joe did a lotta messed up stuff. That's a fact, and that's shown, 432 00:21:00,859 --> 00:21:02,728 and now the entire world knows it. 433 00:21:02,794 --> 00:21:04,663 But he did a lotta good things, too. 434 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:06,398 Who would you trust first again, 435 00:21:06,465 --> 00:21:09,334 Joe Exotic or the tiger who bit your arm off? 436 00:21:09,401 --> 00:21:12,638 The tiger. I never stopped trusting the tiger. 437 00:21:12,738 --> 00:21:16,508 And this is a Facebook fan question. 438 00:21:16,575 --> 00:21:18,944 Do you think that Joe deserves to be in jail? 439 00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:21,413 I think, uh, justice was served. 440 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,149 But I still don’t wanna see that man die in prison. 441 00:21:24,216 --> 00:21:26,752 Now, big huge serious question, 442 00:21:26,818 --> 00:21:30,789 'cause the Internet has been casting this movie. 443 00:21:30,856 --> 00:21:32,457 Who should play you? 444 00:21:32,524 --> 00:21:35,861 I mean, I still go back to the kid 445 00:21:35,927 --> 00:21:38,330 who played Johnny Tsunami just because of looks. 446 00:21:38,397 --> 00:21:40,666 - Right. - I mean, he looks just like me, so... 447 00:21:40,732 --> 00:21:44,002 I'm gonna pitch Ken Jeong that he should... He's just gonna... 448 00:21:44,069 --> 00:21:46,772 - That would be so amazing. - ...have to have a lot of makeup. 449 00:21:46,838 --> 00:21:50,108 'Cause you're very young, but he's a very old man, 450 00:21:50,175 --> 00:21:53,312 so he's gonna really have to use some prosthetics. 451 00:21:54,546 --> 00:21:57,549 When this young man wanted to pursue a career in politics, 452 00:21:57,616 --> 00:22:00,886 no one told him that would mean sleeping in a zoo. 453 00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:04,189 He's Joe Exotic's campaign manager, Josh Dial. 454 00:22:04,256 --> 00:22:06,325 Josh, thanks for coming on. How are you? 455 00:22:06,391 --> 00:22:08,860 Hey, I'm doing good. Glad to be here. 456 00:22:08,927 --> 00:22:13,398 How long were you with Joe while the cameras were following you? 457 00:22:13,465 --> 00:22:18,437 When the folks first started filming Joe, I was already working for Joe. 458 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:23,275 So, I've known the producers and directors, you know, since day one. 459 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,544 The way they did this documentary, 460 00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:29,881 it's fair, it's balanced and I just think it's a wonderful production. 461 00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:34,686 Right. I mean, it's funny 'cause Jeff Lowe has issues about how it's put together. 462 00:22:34,753 --> 00:22:36,722 Well, the truth hurts. The truth hurts. 463 00:22:36,788 --> 00:22:41,293 You obviously knew who Joe was 464 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,096 before you ever started working for him. 465 00:22:44,162 --> 00:22:45,597 -How did you see him? -Sure. 466 00:22:45,664 --> 00:22:47,466 What was your opinion before you met him? 467 00:22:47,532 --> 00:22:50,268 That he was batshit crazy. 468 00:22:50,335 --> 00:22:53,438 And I knew walking up to that zoo, looking for a job, 469 00:22:53,505 --> 00:22:56,975 that I was gonna be working for a batshit crazy person, 470 00:22:57,075 --> 00:23:01,646 um, who was very shady as far as his business dealings went. 471 00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:05,484 Um, but I did it anyway. I mean, how often do you get to say, 472 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:07,552 "Hey, I'm running for governor, 473 00:23:07,652 --> 00:23:10,589 and I want you to be in charge of my entire campaign"? 474 00:23:10,655 --> 00:23:12,591 I mean, that's so hard to turn down, 475 00:23:12,657 --> 00:23:14,960 especially since I'm a Political Science major. 476 00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:17,162 I got a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. 477 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:22,834 I got to hold baby tigers, lemurs, take care of baby animals in my office. 478 00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:28,306 I once saw a guy get his finger bit off by a bear outside my office window. 479 00:23:28,373 --> 00:23:30,876 I mean, stuff that I'll never see again in my life. 480 00:23:30,942 --> 00:23:34,479 Josh, you lived at the zoo. What was it like? 481 00:23:34,546 --> 00:23:39,551 The best part was the lions, every morning they did their roars. 482 00:23:39,618 --> 00:23:41,987 So about seven, eight o'clock in the morning, 483 00:23:42,053 --> 00:23:44,055 which would be time to get up anyways, 484 00:23:44,122 --> 00:23:47,859 all the windows in the house would rattle with the noise 485 00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:50,862 and the reverberation of the lions' voices. 486 00:23:50,929 --> 00:23:56,701 Our alarm clocks was, you know, 30, 40 lions all roaring at once. 487 00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:58,069 -It was amazing. -Yeah. 488 00:23:58,136 --> 00:24:02,174 I only have two lions here at my house in Studio City, California. 489 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,341 That's not nearly as cool. 490 00:24:04,643 --> 00:24:07,045 Did Joe ever try anything romantically with you? 491 00:24:07,646 --> 00:24:12,651 No. No. Joe's type is young and dumb. 492 00:24:12,717 --> 00:24:16,221 He wants them 17, 18 years old. 493 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:20,826 And me, as a 31-year-old person, I aged out about 12 years ago. 494 00:24:20,892 --> 00:24:23,795 So I never had to worry about anything like that with Joe. 495 00:24:23,862 --> 00:24:27,866 You were in the room when Travis shot himself. 496 00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:29,468 Tell us about that. 497 00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:32,504 The thing is, I had to go in that office every day 498 00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:34,005 and sit in that same chair 499 00:24:34,072 --> 00:24:37,175 and look at that bullet hole in the wall every day for a year-and-a-half 500 00:24:37,242 --> 00:24:39,311 after Travis killed himself. 501 00:24:39,377 --> 00:24:41,279 And I never was able to get counseling 502 00:24:41,346 --> 00:24:44,249 'cause Joe didn't help me and neither did Jeff Lowe. 503 00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,952 Um, so, what my plan is, 504 00:24:47,018 --> 00:24:49,387 hopefully I might be able to raise some money, 505 00:24:49,454 --> 00:24:52,591 enough to get me some counseling, get all my meds. 506 00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:55,026 And once I'm back stable and ready to go, 507 00:24:55,093 --> 00:24:57,395 I want to jump back into campaigning for sure. 508 00:24:57,462 --> 00:25:02,567 Obviously, that moment is the most tragic moment of the whole show. 509 00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:05,170 When he walked in, was he talking to you? 510 00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:06,571 Yeah, we were talking. 511 00:25:06,638 --> 00:25:10,509 He was telling me about his gun. Joe just bought him a Ruger. 512 00:25:10,575 --> 00:25:13,512 He said, "Hey, you know, a Ruger won't fire without a clip." 513 00:25:13,578 --> 00:25:16,882 And I said, "Really?" And he said, "Yeah." 514 00:25:16,948 --> 00:25:20,185 Right then, he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger, 515 00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:22,687 to prove to me that it wouldn't fire without a clip. 516 00:25:22,754 --> 00:25:25,123 However, it must have had one in the chamber. 517 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:26,525 Do you think he had any intention 518 00:25:26,591 --> 00:25:29,094 of deliberately shooting himself in that moment? 519 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,365 No. No, 'cause I was looking at him in the eyes when he did it 520 00:25:33,431 --> 00:25:36,601 and I could see the surprise and the fear in his eyes. 521 00:25:36,668 --> 00:25:39,337 I could see that... I mean, basically, translated, 522 00:25:39,404 --> 00:25:42,140 he's like, "Oh, crap. What did I just do?" 523 00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:46,545 I mean, maybe five seconds of his eyes I could read it and then he was gone. 524 00:25:47,445 --> 00:25:49,981 -Oh, my gosh. Uh... -Yeah. 525 00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:53,885 Someone on Facebook asked, "Did anyone think to get Joe counseling 526 00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:56,154 after Travis' death?" 527 00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:58,557 Was that a thing that Joe even considered? 528 00:25:58,623 --> 00:26:01,960 What Joe did is he spoke to a shaman. 529 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:04,095 Did that do anything, did you think? 530 00:26:04,162 --> 00:26:06,765 No. I felt like it worsened his condition. 531 00:26:06,831 --> 00:26:10,001 You know, I'm all for holistic approaches, 532 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:13,905 but sometimes you need real legitimate counseling and medication. 533 00:26:13,972 --> 00:26:15,373 He wasn't getting it. 534 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,944 Were you surprised when he was found guilty on all 19 counts? 535 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:21,446 Uh, no. No, I wasn't. I wasn't. 536 00:26:21,513 --> 00:26:27,052 People in Oklahoma hate Joe Exotic. He's gay. This is a very red state, 537 00:26:27,118 --> 00:26:29,588 um, and us gay folk are very... 538 00:26:29,654 --> 00:26:31,690 We're almost an endangered species here. 539 00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:35,293 But other reasons, you know, animal violations, stuff like that. 540 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,364 Do you think Carole's sanctuary, as it's called, 541 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,500 do you think it's a better set-up than Joe's zoo? 542 00:26:42,567 --> 00:26:45,337 Or do you see them as pretty much the same? 543 00:26:45,403 --> 00:26:47,372 They're the same. They're all the same. 544 00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:49,341 All these animal folks are the same. 545 00:26:49,407 --> 00:26:51,076 All they care about is that money. 546 00:26:51,142 --> 00:26:54,579 Has there been anything that was put out on the Internet 547 00:26:54,646 --> 00:26:56,214 that you disagree with strongly? 548 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,784 I don't do drugs. Like, I've had a lot of people being mean to me, 549 00:26:59,851 --> 00:27:03,788 like, saying I do meth and stuff. I guess 'cause I'm associated with Joe Exotic. 550 00:27:03,855 --> 00:27:05,991 I've never touched the stuff a day in my life. 551 00:27:06,057 --> 00:27:09,127 And that's really what hurts. I wanna clear that up. 552 00:27:09,761 --> 00:27:13,698 Joe obviously wanted to be famous. And now he is... 553 00:27:13,765 --> 00:27:15,266 - Sure. - ...probably more famous 554 00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:16,501 than he ever imagined. 555 00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:17,869 Do you think he even knows 556 00:27:17,936 --> 00:27:19,838 - the scope of his fame now? - Oh, yeah. 557 00:27:19,904 --> 00:27:22,207 He's communicating with some of his old fans, 558 00:27:22,273 --> 00:27:24,643 and he's having them run Facebook pages. 559 00:27:24,709 --> 00:27:28,947 So he's getting... He's getting all the messages people are sending. 560 00:27:29,014 --> 00:27:32,017 All the money people are raising for him, he's getting all that. 561 00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:35,887 Yeah. He's in the loop on this, and he's loving every minute of it. 562 00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:37,255 -I guarantee that. -He is. 563 00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:39,924 On camera, you said, "Fuck the feds." 564 00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:42,060 -Are you... -Yeah, fuck the feds. 565 00:27:42,127 --> 00:27:45,363 Are you worried about saying stuff like that? 566 00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:49,034 Yeah, I mean, I am definitely. It definitely gives me some worry. 567 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,970 I don't know very many people that do like the feds. 568 00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:53,004 I mean, 569 00:27:53,071 --> 00:27:56,041 the federal government's failed us on so many levels. 570 00:27:56,107 --> 00:28:00,178 So, you know, I have no problem saying it once again. Fuck the feds. 571 00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:03,581 They need to be working for us. Their paychecks come from us. 572 00:28:03,648 --> 00:28:06,918 Their tax money that they blow, it comes from us. 573 00:28:06,985 --> 00:28:09,688 So I feel like I have every right as an American to say, 574 00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:11,556 "Fuck the feds. Do your job." 575 00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:12,824 You heard it, folks. 576 00:28:13,558 --> 00:28:17,328 And now, let's hear from one of the men who captured Joe Exotic's heart. 577 00:28:17,395 --> 00:28:20,298 One-third of the Tiger King throuple. 578 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,735 He was a man of few words and even fewer teeth. 579 00:28:23,802 --> 00:28:26,071 But as you're about to see, that's all changed. 580 00:28:26,137 --> 00:28:28,873 Well, some of that's changed. Here is John Finlay. 581 00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:31,876 Now, there's something... I'm looking at you, there's something... 582 00:28:33,111 --> 00:28:35,180 different-looking about you. 583 00:28:35,246 --> 00:28:37,148 That's right. You're wearing a shirt. 584 00:28:37,215 --> 00:28:39,217 No, I'm kidding. And congrats on your... 585 00:28:39,284 --> 00:28:41,219 -teeth look amazing. -Thank you. 586 00:28:41,286 --> 00:28:45,824 It took a while to get 'em, but once I actually got 'em, 587 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:49,694 it took me a while to get 'em to where I was able to really wear 'em. 588 00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:52,530 And now I pretty much wear 'em all the time. 589 00:28:52,597 --> 00:28:55,333 They look amazing. And the, uh... 590 00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:59,003 I don't know what you call that, the goatee, the Van Dyke, is... 591 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:03,441 You look like a character out of a... A mythical cowboy, 592 00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:05,310 like a mythical Western. I love it. 593 00:29:05,376 --> 00:29:07,679 In the documentary, you had a lot of tattoos 594 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:11,182 and you had a big tattoo on the lower part of your stomach, 595 00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:14,119 covering another tattoo. How is that healing? 596 00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:17,255 You know, it is completely finished. 597 00:29:17,322 --> 00:29:19,858 It's still kind of in the healing process. 598 00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:23,228 But a lot of people are dissing the tattoo artist. 599 00:29:23,294 --> 00:29:24,195 Really? 600 00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:27,932 Oh, yes. They are dissing my tattoo artist, like, hard core. 601 00:29:27,999 --> 00:29:31,669 -Why? -Because in the documentary, 602 00:29:31,736 --> 00:29:33,104 they showed it not finished. 603 00:29:34,038 --> 00:29:38,309 I've actually had it completely finished since then. 604 00:29:38,376 --> 00:29:41,079 It looks 100 times better than what it did, 605 00:29:41,146 --> 00:29:44,983 and it will be revealed, but I don't know when. 606 00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:46,718 So you, obviously, 607 00:29:47,719 --> 00:29:49,220 were in a relationship with Joe 608 00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:53,658 and involved with a woman who worked at the zoo. 609 00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:56,127 Were there a lot of people hooking up at the zoo? 610 00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:58,129 From what I understand, yes. 611 00:29:58,196 --> 00:30:01,533 I've seen a lot of relationships form because of it 612 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,436 and I've seen a lot of relationships end because of what was going on. 613 00:30:05,503 --> 00:30:08,606 Would you say, "Meet me in the tiger cage number four 614 00:30:08,673 --> 00:30:12,510 and we'll just try to avoid the 400-pound cat while we do it"? 615 00:30:12,577 --> 00:30:14,012 How did it work? 616 00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:16,748 I don't know anything about that. 617 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:20,952 Okay. All right. So, going back, so Joe, 618 00:30:21,019 --> 00:30:25,590 he dedicated a song to you, and was it flattering? 619 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:28,526 Was it embarrassing? Was it alarming? 620 00:30:28,593 --> 00:30:30,528 Do you remember the words? 621 00:30:30,595 --> 00:30:33,998 Um, no, I don't exactly remember the words. 622 00:30:34,065 --> 00:30:37,001 Some of them were bad. Some of them were great. 623 00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:40,371 Some of them were just way off the wall. 624 00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:42,373 And that, clearly not his voice. 625 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,976 There's been tons of press about it not being his voice. 626 00:30:45,043 --> 00:30:46,711 That is not him singing. 627 00:30:46,778 --> 00:30:50,081 How quickly did you watch the documentary 628 00:30:50,148 --> 00:30:51,783 after it came out? 629 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:55,753 I actually watched it that night, and me and my fiancée 630 00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:57,722 both binge-watched it in seven hours. 631 00:30:57,789 --> 00:31:01,426 Wow! Netflix is very happy to hear that. 632 00:31:02,794 --> 00:31:05,263 I had to know what was on it, and so did she. 633 00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:09,734 And we had to be kind of prepared to know what was gonna go on. 634 00:31:09,801 --> 00:31:14,005 How else are you supposed to know what's going on without watching something? 635 00:31:14,072 --> 00:31:16,908 Were you happy about how you were portrayed? 636 00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:20,345 No, I was not. I mean, I was portrayed 637 00:31:20,411 --> 00:31:25,850 as a drugged-out hillbilly, and that was not me then. 638 00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:30,255 I've been... At that time, I was four to five years clean. 639 00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:32,056 So, you had quit while you were with Joe? 640 00:31:32,123 --> 00:31:33,491 When my daughter was born, 641 00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:40,231 I decided to never touch another drug ever again. 642 00:31:40,298 --> 00:31:41,399 Very cool. 643 00:31:41,466 --> 00:31:42,700 How old's your daughter? 644 00:31:42,767 --> 00:31:45,637 She's four right now, almost five. 645 00:31:45,703 --> 00:31:46,938 No tattoos yet? 646 00:31:47,005 --> 00:31:48,973 Just a couple of placeholders, maybe? 647 00:31:49,173 --> 00:31:51,576 Uh, none that I know of. 648 00:31:52,877 --> 00:31:55,747 How do you tell somebody that you're falling in love with... 649 00:31:56,814 --> 00:31:59,450 You go, "Hey, remember that guy 650 00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:03,554 that ran for governor and he had that big cat zoo, and the bleached mullet? 651 00:32:03,621 --> 00:32:06,824 Yeah? Well, I used to be married to that guy." 652 00:32:06,891 --> 00:32:08,126 How does that go down? 653 00:32:08,192 --> 00:32:11,362 You know, we've never held anything back from each other. 654 00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:13,965 We tell each other everything that goes on. 655 00:32:14,032 --> 00:32:18,303 The big distinct feature in your interviews was always 656 00:32:18,369 --> 00:32:20,071 that you were shirtless. 657 00:32:20,138 --> 00:32:22,373 So, why were you shirtless the whole time? 658 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,374 I got tattoos. 659 00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:25,510 Why not show off and... 660 00:32:25,576 --> 00:32:28,613 I mean, it was a little cold, but it was fun. 661 00:32:29,981 --> 00:32:33,851 Yeah. Hey. Well, that's why I'm shirtless for this interview. 662 00:32:36,854 --> 00:32:39,691 Right now, I'm gonna speak to Rick Kirkham. 663 00:32:39,757 --> 00:32:43,661 You know Rick. He's the guy right at the beginning of the documentary 664 00:32:43,728 --> 00:32:46,931 who looks like he's in some sort of badass Western. 665 00:32:46,998 --> 00:32:51,069 He wears that cool hat. He smokes indoors. 666 00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:53,204 It's Rick Kirkham, ladies and gentlemen. 667 00:32:53,304 --> 00:32:56,441 - Uh, Rick, how's it going? - I'm doing fine. 668 00:32:56,507 --> 00:32:59,110 A little cold here in Norway. How are you doing? 669 00:32:59,177 --> 00:33:01,779 I'm well. What are you doing in Norway? 670 00:33:01,846 --> 00:33:02,814 Why did you move there? 671 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,017 First, it was the farthest distance I could get away from Oklahoma 672 00:33:06,084 --> 00:33:07,185 and that zoo. 673 00:33:07,251 --> 00:33:10,355 Secondly, I fell in love with a Norwegian girl a few years ago 674 00:33:10,421 --> 00:33:12,690 and thought I'd take advantage of the disaster 675 00:33:12,757 --> 00:33:14,726 and just come marry her and move here. 676 00:33:14,792 --> 00:33:17,128 Has Tiger King mania reached Norway? 677 00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:20,631 Has Tiger King mania reached Norway? Let me just show you. 678 00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:24,802 This is just the paper, the newspaper that came out yesterday. 679 00:33:25,603 --> 00:33:29,607 Two pages of my picture on the front page. 680 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:31,976 -Yeah, it's hit Norway in a big way. -Wow. 681 00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:33,344 It's number one in Norway. 682 00:33:33,411 --> 00:33:36,080 I can't even take a walk down at the fjord 683 00:33:36,147 --> 00:33:39,083 without somebody walking their dog, coming by pointing, going, 684 00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:43,488 "That's him! That's him!" in Norse. "That Tiger King." You hear Tiger King, 685 00:33:43,554 --> 00:33:45,890 if I walk through the mall. 686 00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:49,994 Now, obviously, you've been producing for many years. 687 00:33:50,061 --> 00:33:51,362 - Have you ever... - Yeah. 688 00:33:51,429 --> 00:33:53,698 ...been close to anything like this? 689 00:33:54,565 --> 00:33:56,534 You know, when I worked at Inside Edition, 690 00:33:56,601 --> 00:33:58,503 I started that show back in 1989, 691 00:33:58,569 --> 00:34:02,340 I got used to having a little bit of fame. I was there for eight years 692 00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:05,443 - and people pretty much knew who I was. - Mmm-hmm. 693 00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:09,480 But I gotta tell you, nothing, nothing compares to this series. 694 00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:13,418 This documentary series has... It's become a phenomenon. 695 00:34:13,484 --> 00:34:17,555 Who's the more disturbed individual, Joe Exotic or Bill O’Reilly? 696 00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:22,627 Wow! You know what? That is a great question, Joel. 697 00:34:22,693 --> 00:34:24,362 Great question. Well, let's see. 698 00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:28,166 I would say that Joe Exotic is more evil 699 00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:31,135 and Bill O’Reilly is more of just an asshole. 700 00:34:32,203 --> 00:34:34,305 How many years ago did you meet Joe? 701 00:34:34,372 --> 00:34:37,041 Joe had put an ad on craigslist, 702 00:34:37,108 --> 00:34:39,610 and it was such an outrageous ad. 703 00:34:39,677 --> 00:34:42,980 This guy plays with tigers, he's a gay cowboy. 704 00:34:43,047 --> 00:34:45,850 He shoots his guns. So I called him. 705 00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,486 Straight out he said, "Rick, what the fuck do you want?" 706 00:34:48,553 --> 00:34:49,921 on the telephone. I said, 707 00:34:49,987 --> 00:34:52,790 "I wanna fucking come up and talk to you about your show." 708 00:34:52,857 --> 00:34:55,193 And I went up that night and I sat down with him 709 00:34:55,259 --> 00:34:58,262 and we talked about doing the show. And I didn't bring anything. 710 00:34:58,329 --> 00:35:02,333 I was in the clothes I was wearing and, boom, I was living inside a crazy zoo. 711 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,704 When did you first realize the real danger 712 00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:09,607 of his flamboyant persona? 713 00:35:09,674 --> 00:35:11,976 I mean, what was the moment you went, "Oh, wait. 714 00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:14,745 This might... This might all go away"? 715 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,549 You know, um, I began... About three months in, 716 00:35:18,616 --> 00:35:22,954 I began to see him do things to animals that I knew was wrong. 717 00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:24,589 And as I have admitted, 718 00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:29,627 I sold out my own journalistic integrity by not just going to the authorities 719 00:35:29,694 --> 00:35:32,029 or to an animal rights activist and saying, 720 00:35:32,096 --> 00:35:34,232 "Hey. You need to come in and stop this guy." 721 00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:36,834 Because the things that I saw were wrong. 722 00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:40,738 There's a story that I've told a few people about a horse. 723 00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:43,207 This old woman had a horse, in a horse trailer. 724 00:35:43,274 --> 00:35:45,943 She pulled in one day, and she was really upset. 725 00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:49,147 She was crying. And Joe turned around and said, "Rick, go grab the camera. 726 00:35:49,213 --> 00:35:50,348 Videotape all of this." 727 00:35:50,414 --> 00:35:53,184 And Joe went up and started giving her a hug. 728 00:35:53,251 --> 00:35:55,620 She said, "Joe, can you please take care of my horse? 729 00:35:55,686 --> 00:35:59,790 He needs to go out to pasture and he's old and can you give him a good life?" 730 00:35:59,857 --> 00:36:02,994 And Joe's like, "I have plenty of land. Of course we will." 731 00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,362 And she cried. 732 00:36:04,428 --> 00:36:07,899 He said, "Unhitch the horse trailer, we'll bring it back to you tomorrow. 733 00:36:07,965 --> 00:36:10,234 We'll give the horse a great little life out here." 734 00:36:10,301 --> 00:36:14,405 No sooner did that lady get off the park than Joe said "Rick, follow me." 735 00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:16,240 Walked right up to the horse trailer, 736 00:36:16,307 --> 00:36:18,609 pulled the Western revolver out of his holster, 737 00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:20,912 shot the horse dead and said, 738 00:36:20,978 --> 00:36:24,682 "I don't take care of nobody's animals. And now, they're tiger meat." 739 00:36:24,749 --> 00:36:27,251 And he had the horse cut up and fed to the tigers. 740 00:36:27,318 --> 00:36:30,721 It was unbelievably cruel. Unbelievably cruel. 741 00:36:30,788 --> 00:36:33,324 That's un... It's unreal. 742 00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:36,027 Did you ever see him kill a lion or tiger? 743 00:36:36,093 --> 00:36:38,829 I did. I saw him shoot two tigers, actually. 744 00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:40,965 One of them because he was pissed off at the tiger 745 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:44,368 because the tiger nearly bit him one day. The guy was a cruel man. 746 00:36:44,435 --> 00:36:47,004 Do you think he's skipping around his cell? 747 00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:49,106 Or do you think he's punching the wall? 748 00:36:49,173 --> 00:36:53,110 I'll be honest with you. I don't think Joe Exotic will leave prison alive. 749 00:36:53,177 --> 00:36:55,179 I don't think he'll be able to stand it. 750 00:36:55,246 --> 00:37:00,051 Even if he got out with good behavior in ten, 12 years, he won't live that long. 751 00:37:00,117 --> 00:37:02,386 What's really eating him up is people like me 752 00:37:02,453 --> 00:37:05,056 who are getting so much attention instead of him. 753 00:37:05,122 --> 00:37:07,225 He doesn't get any of the money that's coming out. 754 00:37:07,291 --> 00:37:10,595 He doesn't get any of the accolades, he doesn't get any of the opportunities. 755 00:37:10,661 --> 00:37:13,164 He doesn't get anything. Except three meals a day. 756 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,266 Think about the amount of money he could make now 757 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,968 - just on appearances. - Yeah. 758 00:37:17,034 --> 00:37:20,037 You know, the one thing that wasn't pointed out in the docuseries 759 00:37:20,104 --> 00:37:24,175 that's really important to know, too, Joe was terrified of big cats. 760 00:37:24,775 --> 00:37:27,878 He was scared to death of lions and tigers. 761 00:37:27,945 --> 00:37:30,047 And in the shots that you see in there 762 00:37:30,114 --> 00:37:33,184 where he's in with the two tigers, the white one and the other one, 763 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:36,687 the white one is blind and the other one is on tranquilizers. 764 00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:39,590 It's idiotic to think how he's become famous 765 00:37:39,657 --> 00:37:43,761 as "The Tiger King" when he's so terrified of big cats. 766 00:37:43,828 --> 00:37:46,864 Wow! I did not know that. 767 00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:50,134 What did you think of Joe's supposed plot to kill Carole? 768 00:37:50,201 --> 00:37:52,236 I mean, he asked me to kill Carole one time. 769 00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:53,938 But, you know, it was like a joke. 770 00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:56,674 He was like, "I'll make you a rich man if you'll kill Carole." 771 00:37:56,741 --> 00:37:59,644 "Ah. Ha-ha! Okay. Whatever." But that's when he got serious. 772 00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:02,847 When I left the park and the zoo burned, the studio burned, 773 00:38:02,913 --> 00:38:04,982 that's when Joe started downhill hard. 774 00:38:05,049 --> 00:38:08,286 As it all shook out, do you regret feeding it at all? 775 00:38:09,387 --> 00:38:13,424 I regret ever meeting Joe Exotic because... 776 00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:16,694 I went in because I saw there was a great opportunity 777 00:38:16,761 --> 00:38:22,500 for an incredibly wonderful show about big animals and this crazy zookeeper. 778 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:29,273 But I too was sucked in to the surreal world of Joe Exotic. 779 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:32,276 I will never get over... I still have nightmares, Joel. 780 00:38:32,343 --> 00:38:35,946 I still have nightmares today. I had nightmares last night. 781 00:38:36,013 --> 00:38:37,915 And since this docuseries has been back, 782 00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:41,185 I've had more nightmares about having lived on that park. 783 00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:43,087 -I want to put this chapter away. -Wow. 784 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:46,190 But it keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 785 00:38:46,257 --> 00:38:50,428 The one thing that I think that can come out of this docuseries that is good, 786 00:38:50,494 --> 00:38:53,331 people are now going, "Free the animals." 787 00:38:53,397 --> 00:38:55,232 I think that's the best thing. 788 00:38:55,299 --> 00:38:59,437 As you've seen, the Internet has cast the movie. 789 00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:01,105 Who would you like to play you? 790 00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:04,775 I think the one person that's been brought up is Billy Bob Thornton. 791 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:08,179 I think he might make... He might make a good Rick Kirkham. 792 00:39:10,481 --> 00:39:12,149 Well, there you have it. 793 00:39:12,216 --> 00:39:15,019 I hope this satisfied your hunger for more stories 794 00:39:15,086 --> 00:39:17,388 from the wild world of Tiger King. 795 00:39:17,922 --> 00:39:19,357 We learned a lot today. 796 00:39:19,423 --> 00:39:24,428 We discovered that Joe Exotic doesn't have many allies left amongst his old zoo crew. 797 00:39:24,495 --> 00:39:29,133 We found out the hottest Tiger King celebrity hangout is Walmart. 798 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,735 And, most importantly, 799 00:39:30,801 --> 00:39:34,372 we learned that there is no job offer that I'll turn down. 800 00:39:34,438 --> 00:39:36,841 I'm Joel McHale. This is my couch. 801 00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,910 And I'll see you at the end of the next documentary series 802 00:39:39,977 --> 00:39:43,280 that becomes a surprise sensation during a global pandemic. 803 00:39:43,347 --> 00:39:44,915 Thanks for watching.