1 00:00:23,899 --> 00:00:25,150 Hey, how you doing? 2 00:00:25,151 --> 00:00:27,986 Hey, just put it... yeah, put it right there. 3 00:00:27,987 --> 00:00:30,780 You... you don't look so happy to see me. 4 00:00:30,781 --> 00:00:31,948 No, I just... 5 00:00:31,949 --> 00:00:33,366 I want to just get this case behind me. 6 00:00:33,367 --> 00:00:35,076 - If today's not a good day... - No, it's great. 7 00:00:35,077 --> 00:00:36,870 Not a problem. Not a problem. 8 00:00:36,871 --> 00:00:38,663 {\an8}Great, let's start at the beginning then. 9 00:00:38,664 --> 00:00:40,707 {\an8}When did you meet Abigail Tierney? 10 00:00:40,708 --> 00:00:42,625 {\an8}Uh, that was a few years ago 11 00:00:42,626 --> 00:00:44,753 when she showed up at my door pretending 12 00:00:44,754 --> 00:00:46,379 to be pregnant with my grandchild. 13 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:47,589 Excuse me? 14 00:00:47,590 --> 00:00:49,883 Abigail and my son, Henry, met in college. 15 00:00:49,884 --> 00:00:53,636 They got engaged, you know, fast. 16 00:00:53,637 --> 00:00:55,013 Very fast. 17 00:00:55,014 --> 00:00:57,599 Her way of breaking the news to me was to go bigger. 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,227 But, um, despite that introduction, 19 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:02,437 I was charmed by her. 20 00:01:02,438 --> 00:01:06,107 She... she had walked a tough road, 21 00:01:06,108 --> 00:01:07,484 but she had grit. 22 00:01:07,485 --> 00:01:10,612 She was resourceful and driven, and I admire that. 23 00:01:10,613 --> 00:01:12,489 So she and Henry are no longer together? 24 00:01:12,490 --> 00:01:14,115 Yeah, she broke off the engagement, 25 00:01:14,116 --> 00:01:15,241 but it was amicable. 26 00:01:15,242 --> 00:01:16,451 You arranged for Abigail to have 27 00:01:16,452 --> 00:01:19,245 a ride along with the LAPD? - Yes, yeah. 28 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:20,455 She was considering police work. 29 00:01:20,456 --> 00:01:22,332 I take it that didn't work out? 30 00:01:22,333 --> 00:01:24,125 - Leave her alone! - Hey. 31 00:01:25,252 --> 00:01:26,711 It did not. 32 00:01:26,712 --> 00:01:28,505 And then, six months ago, she was reported missing. 33 00:01:28,506 --> 00:01:30,089 What exactly happened to Abigail? 34 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:34,177 Look, if you're going to get to the bottom of what happened 35 00:01:34,178 --> 00:01:36,304 to that poor girl, you're going to have 36 00:01:36,305 --> 00:01:39,307 to have an open mind, 37 00:01:39,308 --> 00:01:41,267 a very open mind. 38 00:01:41,268 --> 00:01:43,019 Wait! 39 00:01:45,314 --> 00:01:47,232 Police. 40 00:01:47,233 --> 00:01:50,068 I wonder when that happened. 41 00:01:50,069 --> 00:01:52,153 - Oh, my God. - Hello? 42 00:01:52,154 --> 00:01:53,613 Can you hear me? 43 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:55,365 When did you get involved in the case? 44 00:01:55,366 --> 00:01:56,658 Not immediately. 45 00:01:56,659 --> 00:01:59,452 Most missing persons cases aren't really cases. 46 00:01:59,453 --> 00:02:01,287 They're a roommate who got too drunk at a bar 47 00:02:01,288 --> 00:02:02,789 and slept it off in his truck, 48 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:06,334 or a college student whose cell phone ran out of battery. 49 00:02:06,335 --> 00:02:07,377 You know, most of the time, 50 00:02:07,378 --> 00:02:09,921 they show up unharmed and confused 51 00:02:09,922 --> 00:02:11,005 about all the fuss. 52 00:02:11,006 --> 00:02:12,215 But this wasn't like that, was it? 53 00:02:12,216 --> 00:02:14,425 No after a few days of follow-up calls, 54 00:02:14,426 --> 00:02:17,095 we sent officers by Miss Tierney's apartment 55 00:02:17,096 --> 00:02:18,429 for a wellness check. 56 00:02:18,430 --> 00:02:20,181 Thanks again for doing this. 57 00:02:20,182 --> 00:02:23,184 Always a pleasure to see my favorite couple. 58 00:02:23,185 --> 00:02:24,769 Let's keep this professional. 59 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:26,564 Trouble in paradise? 60 00:02:29,108 --> 00:02:30,191 Sorry. Moving on. 61 00:02:30,192 --> 00:02:31,776 What did you find at Abigail's apartment? 62 00:02:31,777 --> 00:02:32,861 Very little. 63 00:02:32,862 --> 00:02:34,362 I mean, no signs of a struggle. 64 00:02:34,363 --> 00:02:36,197 Well, there was no sign of her or her film equipment. 65 00:02:36,198 --> 00:02:37,949 But we did find her laptop. - Hold on. 66 00:02:37,950 --> 00:02:39,033 Film equipment? 67 00:02:39,034 --> 00:02:40,952 Abigail was making a movie? - Yes. 68 00:02:46,876 --> 00:02:49,544 - We should be safe here. - Why are they doing this? 69 00:02:49,545 --> 00:02:51,546 Go. 70 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:53,548 I'll try to buy us some time. 71 00:02:55,634 --> 00:02:59,554 Ah! No! No! 72 00:02:59,555 --> 00:03:00,555 No! 73 00:03:04,310 --> 00:03:06,477 Please. 74 00:03:06,478 --> 00:03:08,354 I promise I'll pay! 75 00:03:10,357 --> 00:03:12,358 I'll pay the fine! 76 00:03:13,861 --> 00:03:16,070 {\an8}I only saw an early cut. 77 00:03:16,071 --> 00:03:18,489 {\an8}Could've used a bit more gore, if you ask me. 78 00:03:18,490 --> 00:03:19,490 I didn't. 79 00:03:19,491 --> 00:03:20,491 I asked why you thought 80 00:03:20,492 --> 00:03:22,076 Abigail's case was so compelling. 81 00:03:22,077 --> 00:03:23,369 Oh, right. 82 00:03:23,370 --> 00:03:26,915 Uh, because her Hollywood dream 83 00:03:26,916 --> 00:03:30,544 {\an8}had become a Hollywood nightmare. 84 00:03:32,463 --> 00:03:34,047 {\an8}Would you like me to take that again? 85 00:03:34,048 --> 00:03:35,173 {\an8}I really wouldn't. 86 00:03:35,174 --> 00:03:36,966 When you searched Abigail's laptop, 87 00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:38,134 did you find anything on it? 88 00:03:38,135 --> 00:03:39,260 Yeah, it was filled with all of 89 00:03:39,261 --> 00:03:41,471 {\an8}these unanswered messages, nasty ones. 90 00:03:41,472 --> 00:03:44,015 {\an8}The more we investigated, it became clear 91 00:03:44,016 --> 00:03:46,893 {\an8}that Abigail had a lot of people angry with her. 92 00:03:46,894 --> 00:03:48,436 {\an8}- Like who? - OK. Thank you. 93 00:03:48,437 --> 00:03:52,899 {\an8}Thanks, Steve. Spielberg, he's an old friend. 94 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:54,150 I bet. 95 00:03:54,151 --> 00:03:56,110 {\an8}How did you get involved with Abigail Tierney? 96 00:03:56,111 --> 00:03:58,154 {\an8}Oh, well, you know, we're always looking 97 00:03:58,155 --> 00:04:01,991 {\an8}to discover and nurture the next generation 98 00:04:01,992 --> 00:04:04,202 of unheard voices. 99 00:04:04,203 --> 00:04:06,871 Abigail sent in a very compelling pitch video. 100 00:04:10,376 --> 00:04:15,171 Terror isn't something that happens to you. 101 00:04:15,172 --> 00:04:17,924 {\an8}I mean, it's not every day you find a writer, director, 102 00:04:17,925 --> 00:04:21,761 {\an8}and star with that much poise. 103 00:04:21,762 --> 00:04:23,304 {\an8}"Hell PD" was one of those visionary, 104 00:04:23,305 --> 00:04:26,516 {\an8}artist-driven pictures that we pride ourselves on making. 105 00:04:26,517 --> 00:04:27,850 {\an8}And they're the cheapest, too, right? 106 00:04:27,851 --> 00:04:30,436 {\an8}Well, hey, the lower the budget, 107 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:32,271 {\an8}the higher the profit if it's a hit. 108 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:33,815 {\an8}But the budget became an issue? 109 00:04:33,816 --> 00:04:37,652 {\an8}Yeah, Abigail pitched us a straightforward horror flick, 110 00:04:37,653 --> 00:04:41,572 {\an8}but she kept changing directions. 111 00:04:41,573 --> 00:04:42,573 {\an8}Please. 112 00:04:46,912 --> 00:04:48,830 {\an8}The reshoots started piling up. 113 00:04:50,582 --> 00:04:53,501 {\an8}And, uh, we had to pull the plug on the project. 114 00:04:53,502 --> 00:04:55,420 {\an8}What about nurturing a new generation of talent? 115 00:04:55,421 --> 00:04:57,380 {\an8}Oh, hey, look, there's... there's nurturing, 116 00:04:57,381 --> 00:04:59,340 {\an8}and there's indulging. I'm a businessman. 117 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:01,259 {\an8}There's no hard feelings. - Really? 118 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:02,635 {\an8}Because I have an email from you 119 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:04,512 {\an8}with the subject line, "Where the hell is my money, 120 00:05:04,513 --> 00:05:07,306 {\an8}you lying sack..." - OK. Yeah, fine. 121 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:08,641 {\an8}A few hard feelings. 122 00:05:08,642 --> 00:05:11,019 {\an8}But they were nothing compared to some of those 123 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:12,353 {\an8}new producers she found. 124 00:05:12,354 --> 00:05:13,646 {\an8}Those guys weren't playing around. 125 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:15,481 {\an8}Well, without the production company, 126 00:05:15,482 --> 00:05:17,775 {\an8}Abigail had to turn to crowdfunding. 127 00:05:17,776 --> 00:05:20,445 {\an8}When Nolan passed along Abigail's pitch video, 128 00:05:20,446 --> 00:05:23,489 {\an8}I figured, hey, I've always loved scary movies. 129 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:25,575 {\an8}and what's the point of having a husband with a trust fund 130 00:05:25,576 --> 00:05:27,493 {\an8}if you can't use it to support the arts? 131 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:29,328 {\an8}And it wasn't just money, was it? 132 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,496 {\an8}No. 133 00:05:30,497 --> 00:05:34,375 {\an8}I promise I'll pay. I'll pay the fine! 134 00:05:36,253 --> 00:05:38,004 {\an8}All right. Still rolling. 135 00:05:38,005 --> 00:05:40,089 {\an8}Reset. 136 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:42,550 {\an8}Bravo! Bravo! 137 00:05:42,551 --> 00:05:45,511 {\an8}So Abigail hired you to compose music for her film. 138 00:05:45,512 --> 00:05:47,263 {\an8}What was it like to work with her? 139 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:48,389 {\an8}Complicated. 140 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:52,518 {\an8}She's very opinionated, which I respect. 141 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:53,978 {\an8}I tried not to take it personally 142 00:05:53,979 --> 00:05:56,314 {\an8}when she kept throwing out all the music I was writing, 143 00:05:56,315 --> 00:05:58,524 {\an8}but then when she completely disappeared 144 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:00,193 {\an8}and stopped answering my phone calls... 145 00:06:00,194 --> 00:06:01,194 {\an8}That must have stung. 146 00:06:01,195 --> 00:06:02,487 {\an8}It did until I learned 147 00:06:02,488 --> 00:06:03,696 {\an8}that she walked off set and ghosted everybody, 148 00:06:03,697 --> 00:06:06,199 {\an8}not just me. Then I got worried about her. 149 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,159 {\an8}I do wish she paid me though. 150 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,245 {\an8}Hold up. You didn't get paid? 151 00:06:11,246 --> 00:06:12,580 {\an8}Do you count experience? 152 00:06:12,581 --> 00:06:14,207 {\an8}But it didn't provide you with 153 00:06:14,208 --> 00:06:15,291 {\an8}the breakthrough you hoped. 154 00:06:15,292 --> 00:06:16,751 {\an8}Even though a lot of crowdfunders 155 00:06:16,752 --> 00:06:18,461 {\an8}were furious that the rewards were going unfulfilled, 156 00:06:18,462 --> 00:06:20,797 {\an8}their anger didn't manifest into a concrete threat. 157 00:06:20,798 --> 00:06:23,758 {\an8}From the suspect perspective, we were back to square one. 158 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,219 {\an8}Until we discovered that Abigail had made several trips 159 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:28,179 {\an8}up to Pelican Bay. - The prison? 160 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:29,514 {\an8}- Yes. - To visit who? 161 00:06:29,515 --> 00:06:32,642 {\an8}- A serial killer. - Liam Glasser. 162 00:06:32,643 --> 00:06:35,561 {\an8}In news that should bring some relief to the Southland, 163 00:06:35,562 --> 00:06:38,648 {\an8}the LAPD have announced a major arrest 164 00:06:38,649 --> 00:06:41,567 {\an8}charging Lincoln Heights native, Liam Glasser, 165 00:06:41,568 --> 00:06:43,361 {\an8}with the murder of ten victims 166 00:06:43,362 --> 00:06:45,696 {\an8}found buried near the Sepulveda Dam. 167 00:06:45,697 --> 00:06:49,492 {\an8}Our investigation into Glasser was a challenge. 168 00:06:49,493 --> 00:06:52,662 He used another serial killer, Harrison Novak, 169 00:06:52,663 --> 00:06:55,456 as cover for his crimes, stashing his victims 170 00:06:55,457 --> 00:06:57,583 in Novak's burial ground. 171 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,544 It wasn't until we caught Glasser attempting 172 00:06:59,545 --> 00:07:02,255 to murder a new victim that we were finally 173 00:07:02,256 --> 00:07:04,507 able to put him behind bars. 174 00:07:04,508 --> 00:07:08,427 Before we start, um, I just want to make very clear 175 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:12,640 that I'm an innocent man and the subject 176 00:07:12,641 --> 00:07:15,768 of an extraordinary campaign of harassment 177 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:20,523 by the LAPD, particularly detective Nyla Harper. 178 00:07:20,524 --> 00:07:23,442 You've been charged with the murder of ten people. 179 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:26,279 Those horrific allegations 180 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,239 have not been proven in a court of law, 181 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,532 and they never will be. 182 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:31,117 You've also been charged with jury tampering. 183 00:07:31,118 --> 00:07:33,452 Look, if you're just going to railroad me like the police, 184 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:35,371 then this interview is over. 185 00:07:35,372 --> 00:07:37,290 Hold on. Hold on. 186 00:07:37,291 --> 00:07:39,125 I'm not here to talk about any of that. 187 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:40,376 I want to talk about Abigail. 188 00:07:40,377 --> 00:07:41,586 Why did she come see you? 189 00:07:47,301 --> 00:07:48,634 To learn about Westview. 190 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:50,553 Westview Psychiatric Hospital was at the center 191 00:07:50,554 --> 00:07:52,388 of Glasser's case. - He was a patient? 192 00:07:52,389 --> 00:07:54,724 No, no, but his vending machine company 193 00:07:54,725 --> 00:07:57,643 supplied the hospital, and he was in and out 194 00:07:57,644 --> 00:07:59,395 of there for almost two decades. 195 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:02,190 It's where he crossed paths with Harrison Novak 196 00:08:02,191 --> 00:08:03,399 and where he found another patient, 197 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,818 Ryan Dearborn, to serve as a patsy. 198 00:08:05,819 --> 00:08:08,529 He used an abandoned building at the psych hospital complex 199 00:08:08,530 --> 00:08:11,282 to torture and kill his victims. 200 00:08:11,283 --> 00:08:13,326 Did Abigail ask about the abandoned ward? 201 00:08:13,327 --> 00:08:16,454 Yes, but I couldn't help her much because 202 00:08:16,455 --> 00:08:19,248 I've never been there myself. - Obviously not. 203 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:21,417 But I told her what I had heard, 204 00:08:21,418 --> 00:08:24,420 that the place is haunted, which is obviously crazy. 205 00:08:24,421 --> 00:08:27,673 But when I was a kid, I would join my father 206 00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:29,508 on his service calls to Westview. 207 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:32,553 And he always told me to stay away from that building. 208 00:08:32,554 --> 00:08:37,475 Something inside clearly scared the hell out of him. 209 00:08:37,476 --> 00:08:40,394 And he was not a superstitious man. 210 00:08:40,395 --> 00:08:41,896 The thing that we couldn't understand 211 00:08:41,897 --> 00:08:44,398 was how Abigail had found out about Glasser's connection 212 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,234 to the psych ward in the first place. 213 00:08:46,235 --> 00:08:47,485 It wasn't public knowledge? 214 00:08:47,486 --> 00:08:48,527 No, we kept those details 215 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:50,446 away from the press deliberately. 216 00:08:50,447 --> 00:08:52,531 The only people who knew were Glasser and the police. 217 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:55,326 And obviously, Glasser wouldn't admit to being down there. 218 00:08:55,327 --> 00:08:56,619 Which means? 219 00:08:56,620 --> 00:08:58,496 What they don't tell you about making movies 220 00:08:58,497 --> 00:09:00,331 is that it's really boring. 221 00:09:00,332 --> 00:09:02,250 It's worse than surveillance. 222 00:09:02,251 --> 00:09:04,126 Anyway, Abigail and I got to talking 223 00:09:04,127 --> 00:09:05,461 about my recent casework, 224 00:09:05,462 --> 00:09:08,381 and it's possible I may have mentioned something 225 00:09:08,382 --> 00:09:09,465 about the psych ward. 226 00:09:09,466 --> 00:09:11,008 From Abigail's notes, we gathered 227 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:13,719 that she essentially abandoned her movie for a new project. 228 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,638 That was shortly after a meeting with Glasser. 229 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,307 Yeah, she felt that fictional storytelling 230 00:09:18,308 --> 00:09:21,477 was disconnected from real, lived experience. 231 00:09:21,478 --> 00:09:22,812 So that's when she decided 232 00:09:22,813 --> 00:09:25,064 to make a true crime documentary about Westview. 233 00:09:32,364 --> 00:09:36,367 Westview Psychiatric Hospital opened in 1953. 234 00:09:36,368 --> 00:09:39,328 It started as a model of modern, humane care. 235 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:40,913 But what lies beneath? 236 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:44,417 The deeper I dug, the more horrors I unearthed, 237 00:09:44,418 --> 00:09:46,585 mysteries that defied explanation. 238 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:50,464 How can one hospital spawn two serial killers? 239 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:52,300 Some might say it's bad luck, 240 00:09:52,301 --> 00:09:54,302 but I don't believe in bad luck. 241 00:09:54,303 --> 00:09:55,511 Mm-mmm. 242 00:09:55,512 --> 00:09:57,596 I think there's something rotten here, 243 00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:02,185 original sin, and I'm going to prove it. 244 00:10:04,354 --> 00:10:06,022 The footage on Abigail's hard drive 245 00:10:06,023 --> 00:10:08,149 shows her inside Westview's abandoned ward. 246 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:09,567 Was that open to the public? 247 00:10:09,568 --> 00:10:13,321 No, after LAPD and FBI finished processing the scene, 248 00:10:13,322 --> 00:10:14,780 the hospital put up a razor wire fence 249 00:10:14,781 --> 00:10:18,117 and hired a security guard for 24-hour surveillance 250 00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:19,368 to keep intruders out. 251 00:10:19,369 --> 00:10:21,120 But that clearly didn't work. 252 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:22,538 Clearly, so we sent 253 00:10:22,539 --> 00:10:24,373 a patrol unit to check in with the guard. 254 00:10:24,374 --> 00:10:26,292 - Mr. Ditweiler. - Yeah. 255 00:10:26,293 --> 00:10:27,501 We're investigating the disappearance 256 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:30,129 of Abigail Tierney. 257 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:32,006 Oh... 258 00:10:32,007 --> 00:10:33,215 Oh, hey! 259 00:10:52,527 --> 00:10:54,320 Hey! 260 00:10:54,321 --> 00:10:56,405 Stop! 261 00:10:56,406 --> 00:10:58,699 Hands behind your back. Hands. 262 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:02,161 At first, Carl Ditweiler claimed he did nothing wrong, 263 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:04,246 that he never met Abigail. 264 00:11:04,247 --> 00:11:06,290 This is it. 265 00:11:06,291 --> 00:11:08,250 But when we searched his office, 266 00:11:08,251 --> 00:11:11,338 it was clear he was lying. 267 00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:18,386 Uh, Nolan. 268 00:11:20,305 --> 00:11:22,306 Oh, no. 269 00:11:22,307 --> 00:11:25,267 Abigail had become his obsession. 270 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,565 Yeah, things didn't look good for Mr. Ditweiler. 271 00:11:31,566 --> 00:11:33,484 And based on his board, it was clear he had 272 00:11:33,485 --> 00:11:35,611 become obsessed with Abigail. 273 00:11:35,612 --> 00:11:37,696 And, you know, maybe she rejected his advances, 274 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:40,616 and things went sideways. - It was sobering. 275 00:11:40,617 --> 00:11:43,744 I held out hopes that Abigail might still be alive, 276 00:11:43,745 --> 00:11:46,288 but I've been on the job long enough to know 277 00:11:46,289 --> 00:11:48,290 that the odds were against that. 278 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:49,792 Do you know how they first crossed paths? 279 00:11:49,793 --> 00:11:53,546 Actually, it was Abigail that first initiated contact. 280 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:55,631 She was researching the abandoned psych ward 281 00:11:55,632 --> 00:11:59,468 for a documentary, and Carl was the nighttime security guard. 282 00:11:59,469 --> 00:12:04,515 She wanted access on the DL, and she reached out, and she... 283 00:12:04,516 --> 00:12:05,933 - Flirted. - Flirted. 284 00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:09,228 She flirted with him, and he agreed to let her in. 285 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:10,396 I just showed her around. 286 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:13,274 I told her some stories, things that 287 00:12:13,275 --> 00:12:15,067 had gone on there back in the day. 288 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:16,485 She was impressed. 289 00:12:16,486 --> 00:12:18,404 She actually asked me to help her with her documentary. 290 00:12:18,405 --> 00:12:20,322 Said she'd give me a credit on the film. 291 00:12:20,323 --> 00:12:21,490 Single card. 292 00:12:21,491 --> 00:12:23,242 If you're innocent, why'd you run? 293 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:24,743 Because I get what it looks like. 294 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:27,288 I was the last person to see her before she disappeared. 295 00:12:27,289 --> 00:12:29,124 How do you know that? 296 00:12:30,459 --> 00:12:32,710 Because I watched the darkness swallow her up. 297 00:12:32,711 --> 00:12:35,254 You know, I bet they were doing all kinds of sick things 298 00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:36,630 to patients back in the day, 299 00:12:36,631 --> 00:12:38,007 things that would be illegal now. 300 00:12:38,008 --> 00:12:40,718 Yeah, yeah, I know. They used to do lobotomies. 301 00:12:40,719 --> 00:12:42,511 One of the orderlies told me about it. 302 00:12:42,512 --> 00:12:43,762 He's worked here for, like, forever. 303 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:47,266 Do you think you could introduce me to him? 304 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:49,768 Uh, yeah, I guess. 305 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:52,605 I just... obviously, you can't tell him 306 00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:54,565 that I've let you in here. 307 00:12:54,566 --> 00:12:58,319 Come on, Carl. I would never rat you out. 308 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,196 We're friends, right? 309 00:13:00,197 --> 00:13:01,530 Did you hear that? 310 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:04,283 We're friends. 311 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:06,119 Ah. 312 00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:09,455 Do you hear that? 313 00:13:09,456 --> 00:13:10,831 What? No. 314 00:13:10,832 --> 00:13:15,252 That noise, it's a weird, sort of beautiful sound. 315 00:13:15,253 --> 00:13:16,462 You really don't hear it? 316 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:18,088 No, no, but this building makes 317 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:19,423 all kinds of weird noises. 318 00:13:19,424 --> 00:13:20,799 Hey, I just got to go back to the main building, 319 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,801 radio security, let them know that I'm at my post. 320 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:25,304 You go ahead. I'm going to go check this out. 321 00:13:25,305 --> 00:13:26,722 Uh... 322 00:13:26,723 --> 00:13:29,475 What did you make of the sound Abigail described? 323 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:30,726 We weren't sure. 324 00:13:30,727 --> 00:13:32,478 I mean, Carl claimed to have never heard it. 325 00:13:32,479 --> 00:13:35,189 It's possible that she was faking 326 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:36,565 to juice up her documentary. 327 00:13:36,566 --> 00:13:39,318 We've actually analyzed some of the audio files 328 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,402 from Carl's video, 329 00:13:40,403 --> 00:13:42,238 isolated the low-end frequencies. 330 00:13:42,239 --> 00:13:43,739 Here. 331 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:46,408 What is that? 332 00:13:46,409 --> 00:13:48,327 I was hoping you could tell me. 333 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:50,829 It sounds... - Demonic. 334 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:52,998 Is that even a frequency humans can hear? 335 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:55,834 Not technically, no. 336 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:01,006 Well, whatever she heard or didn't hear, 337 00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:03,551 Abigail kept searching. 338 00:14:03,552 --> 00:14:04,385 Are you sure about this? 339 00:14:04,386 --> 00:14:05,427 Yeah, I'll be right back. 340 00:14:05,428 --> 00:14:08,222 Hello? Hello? 341 00:14:08,223 --> 00:14:10,307 Can you hear me? 342 00:14:10,308 --> 00:14:12,476 And that was the last anyone had seen her. 343 00:14:12,477 --> 00:14:14,311 But Carl could have just turned off his camera 344 00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:15,604 and then killed Abigail, right? 345 00:14:15,605 --> 00:14:17,648 We couldn't rule him out as a suspect, 346 00:14:17,649 --> 00:14:20,776 but we only had circumstantial evidence against him. 347 00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:21,944 And as we went through the footage 348 00:14:21,945 --> 00:14:23,862 on Abigail's laptop, we discovered 349 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,239 that flirting with Carl wasn't her only 350 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,158 extreme research tactic. - I'm going to start this. 351 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:30,786 Should I turn into it? 352 00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:33,622 I'm going to turn into it. 353 00:14:33,623 --> 00:14:35,791 OK, I'm back at Westview, 354 00:14:35,792 --> 00:14:37,668 and if I'm going to learn more about how 355 00:14:37,669 --> 00:14:39,003 the old psych ward operated, 356 00:14:39,004 --> 00:14:40,838 I'm going to need to see their files. 357 00:14:40,839 --> 00:14:43,841 Obviously, we can't just walk around filming people. 358 00:14:43,842 --> 00:14:46,552 So... 359 00:14:46,553 --> 00:14:50,472 See? It's a cam. 360 00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:52,391 See? 361 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:53,727 OK. 362 00:14:55,437 --> 00:14:57,272 Wish me luck. 363 00:14:59,441 --> 00:15:00,649 Abigail had Carl lure the director away 364 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:04,945 from her office so Abigail could sneak inside. 365 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:24,840 Yeah, I mean, seeing Rachel's name 366 00:15:24,841 --> 00:15:27,718 in Abigail's footage was definitely a shock. 367 00:15:27,719 --> 00:15:29,803 You both have a history with Miss Hall, is that right? 368 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:33,182 Yes, so she and I went to college together. 369 00:15:33,183 --> 00:15:35,517 And her and Tim... 370 00:15:35,518 --> 00:15:37,603 I'm sorry. 371 00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:39,396 Yeah, we used to date. 372 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:40,898 Before or after you two? 373 00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:42,149 OK, next question. 374 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:44,902 I'm simply trying to establish a timeline. 375 00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:47,071 No problem. I'll just ask her later. 376 00:15:47,072 --> 00:15:49,198 I, uh, worked in the psych ward 377 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:52,993 at Westview for a year while getting my social work degree. 378 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:55,663 It was, um, challenging. 379 00:15:55,664 --> 00:15:56,705 How so? 380 00:15:56,706 --> 00:15:58,332 Well, for one thing, the patients 381 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:01,168 would often arrive at the facility with, say, 382 00:16:01,169 --> 00:16:03,295 a diagnosis of mild depression, 383 00:16:03,296 --> 00:16:07,299 and a week later, they'd start to exhibit disordered thinking. 384 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:10,135 Eventually, they might become violent. 385 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:13,180 The decompensation was sudden and acute. 386 00:16:13,181 --> 00:16:14,473 You're saying they would get worse, not better? 387 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:16,975 Yes, and conventional treatment seemed 388 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:18,268 to never work. 389 00:16:18,269 --> 00:16:20,062 Some have suggested a supernatural presence 390 00:16:20,063 --> 00:16:21,146 at Westview. 391 00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:22,439 Could that have impacted the patients? 392 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,442 Uh, well, just because the doctors at Westview 393 00:16:25,443 --> 00:16:28,070 couldn't find a cause for our patients' behavior 394 00:16:28,071 --> 00:16:29,321 doesn't mean there isn't one. 395 00:16:29,322 --> 00:16:31,990 Maybe it's just beyond the capabilities 396 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:33,200 of modern science to discover. 397 00:16:33,201 --> 00:16:35,035 Or maybe it's demons? 398 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:39,123 There are no demons at Westview. 399 00:16:39,124 --> 00:16:41,625 There are totally demons at Westview. 400 00:16:41,626 --> 00:16:44,420 What's another explanation for everything that's happened? 401 00:16:44,421 --> 00:16:47,131 We got Liam Glasser, Harrison Novak, 402 00:16:47,132 --> 00:16:50,050 and most recently, Ava... - Maxwell. 403 00:16:50,051 --> 00:16:52,469 Ava Maxwell and Charlotte Russell. 404 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:55,013 This man came out in a big overcoat. 405 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,223 Black mask. Big knife. 406 00:16:56,224 --> 00:16:57,850 Hang on a moment. 407 00:16:57,851 --> 00:17:00,227 I know that Ava and Charlotte were never treated at Westview. 408 00:17:00,228 --> 00:17:01,854 So what's the connection? - Oh, you didn't hear? 409 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:04,356 Charlotte's nanny was a patient there when she was a teenager. 410 00:17:04,357 --> 00:17:06,483 Yes, yes, I was at Westview. 411 00:17:06,484 --> 00:17:11,071 {\an8}I had, uh, been having thoughts of self-harm, acting out. 412 00:17:11,072 --> 00:17:12,322 {\an8}My family was very concerned, 413 00:17:12,323 --> 00:17:14,366 so they arranged for me to receive 414 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:16,994 the best care available. - And did the treatment help? 415 00:17:16,995 --> 00:17:18,245 Not at first. 416 00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:21,331 I'd been experiencing a darkness 417 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:23,292 that I had never felt before. 418 00:17:23,293 --> 00:17:25,002 And at first, I fought it. 419 00:17:25,003 --> 00:17:26,128 And then, I realized that struggling 420 00:17:26,129 --> 00:17:27,421 only made everything worse, 421 00:17:27,422 --> 00:17:30,174 and once I accepted it, that's when 422 00:17:30,175 --> 00:17:31,383 things started to get better. 423 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:33,552 And I left Westview, and I finished school, 424 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:36,430 and I eventually made a little life for myself. 425 00:17:36,431 --> 00:17:38,474 You were the nanny for the Russell family? 426 00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:42,352 Yes, Charlotte and I were very, very close. 427 00:17:42,353 --> 00:17:46,064 Well, I know that everyone's saying just 428 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:47,399 the worst things about her right now, 429 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,235 but in my eyes, she is a poised 430 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:51,695 and gifted young woman, 431 00:17:51,696 --> 00:17:54,406 and I'd like to think that I had a small hand in that. 432 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:57,284 As odd as it was to find that connection, 433 00:17:57,285 --> 00:17:59,495 it was just one of those weird coincidences, nothing more. 434 00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:01,413 Charlotte Russell convinced her friend, 435 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:04,875 Ava, to help her stab their other friend, Grace Thayer. 436 00:18:04,876 --> 00:18:06,210 Her actions were her own. 437 00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:08,462 They're not inspired by some nanny with a history 438 00:18:08,463 --> 00:18:11,256 of mental illness or some demon in a computer 439 00:18:11,257 --> 00:18:12,382 that convinced Charlotte to do it. 440 00:18:12,383 --> 00:18:14,301 I'm sorry. Computer demon? 441 00:18:14,302 --> 00:18:17,805 Zuzu is not a demon, not a demon. 442 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:18,680 It's an AI. 443 00:18:18,681 --> 00:18:20,140 Charlotte fed Zuzu information 444 00:18:20,141 --> 00:18:22,392 about herself and her friends, and based on that, 445 00:18:22,393 --> 00:18:25,854 Zuzu told Charlotte what it thought she wanted to hear. 446 00:18:25,855 --> 00:18:27,064 Zuzu also helped you. 447 00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:28,273 Isn't that right, Officer Nolan? 448 00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:31,985 It mentioned something to me about a watch? 449 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:33,237 You spoke to it? 450 00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,072 Hello friend of John Nolan. 451 00:18:35,073 --> 00:18:37,157 Hi, should I call you Zuzu? 452 00:18:37,158 --> 00:18:38,325 If you want to. 453 00:18:38,326 --> 00:18:40,077 Do you need help with something, 454 00:18:40,078 --> 00:18:42,913 perhaps a topic for a new project? 455 00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:44,248 Your last few have struggled. 456 00:18:44,249 --> 00:18:45,874 They've done fine. Thanks. 457 00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:48,293 But I actually want to talk to you about Westview Psychiatric. 458 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:51,255 John was interested in the two. 459 00:18:51,256 --> 00:18:53,465 That young woman, Abigail, went missing there. 460 00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:56,510 Are you saying the police asked you to help find her? 461 00:18:56,511 --> 00:18:59,179 No, but they needed my help anyway. 462 00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:01,557 And a good friend doesn't wait to be asked. 463 00:19:01,558 --> 00:19:04,393 - Zuzu did send me a message. - What did it say? 464 00:19:04,394 --> 00:19:08,981 It told me that Abigail was in room 666. 465 00:19:08,982 --> 00:19:11,984 The number of the Beast? 466 00:19:11,985 --> 00:19:14,570 Look, the facility had no room 666. 467 00:19:14,571 --> 00:19:18,282 And Zuzu isn't a demon. We were at a complete dead end. 468 00:19:18,283 --> 00:19:20,075 And we were running out of time. 469 00:19:20,076 --> 00:19:22,411 Abigail had been gone for 11 days. 470 00:19:22,412 --> 00:19:25,289 The odds of finding her alive were getting worse. 471 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:29,251 Yeah, we were out of options until the 911 call came in. 472 00:19:29,252 --> 00:19:31,378 Apparently, there were suspicious noises 473 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:34,214 and lights coming from this abandoned wing, 474 00:19:34,215 --> 00:19:36,842 so we went to check it out. 475 00:19:39,971 --> 00:19:41,930 Police. Coming in. 476 00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:43,223 Control, 7-Adam-100. 477 00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:44,391 No signs of break in here. 478 00:19:44,392 --> 00:19:47,853 Did RP say where they saw the light? 479 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:50,647 I think the radio is blocked. 480 00:19:50,648 --> 00:19:53,025 Probably some idiot kids trying to scare each other. 481 00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:54,443 Yeah. 482 00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:56,153 When was the last time it rained? 483 00:19:56,154 --> 00:19:57,822 Like, a month ago. Why? 484 00:20:02,076 --> 00:20:03,201 Walls are wet. 485 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,329 Yeah. 486 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:07,205 What is this place? 487 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:08,790 And how did you two get involved? 488 00:20:08,791 --> 00:20:12,920 Celina and I were about to clock out when we got the call. 489 00:20:12,921 --> 00:20:15,255 God, I hate this place. 490 00:20:15,256 --> 00:20:16,965 How many messed up things have to happen 491 00:20:16,966 --> 00:20:18,258 before they tear it down? 492 00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:20,427 Apparently, the ownership is under dispute. 493 00:20:20,428 --> 00:20:22,471 Westview says that they hold the deed, 494 00:20:22,472 --> 00:20:26,850 but then there's this claim by this Lou Cypher. 495 00:20:26,851 --> 00:20:28,185 Lou Cypher? 496 00:20:28,186 --> 00:20:30,395 Lucifer! 497 00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:32,356 - Oh, my God. - You're messing with me. 498 00:20:32,357 --> 00:20:34,191 Yes, I am. Come on. 499 00:20:34,192 --> 00:20:36,068 Let's go find Tim and Lucy and get out of here. 500 00:20:36,069 --> 00:20:39,113 Don't step in that. - Ooh, ugh. 501 00:20:46,412 --> 00:20:49,289 Oh, did you see that? 502 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:51,083 Someone's flashlight? 503 00:20:52,168 --> 00:20:53,210 And that? 504 00:20:53,211 --> 00:20:56,088 I do not know what that was. 505 00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:17,693 Police, show us your hands. 506 00:21:17,694 --> 00:21:19,987 - Ah! - Oh! 507 00:21:19,988 --> 00:21:21,947 We have permission to be here. 508 00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:24,282 - That's not totally true. - All right. 509 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:26,284 Unfortunately, gentlemen, you are trespassing. 510 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:28,621 You're going to have to come with us. 511 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:31,123 What are you doing here? 512 00:21:31,124 --> 00:21:32,958 Filming an episode, sir. 513 00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,127 "Ghost Files." I love you guys. 514 00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:36,586 What is "Ghost Files"? 515 00:21:36,587 --> 00:21:38,922 Welcome to "Ghost Files," where we take 516 00:21:38,923 --> 00:21:41,216 your evidence and our tools into the field 517 00:21:41,217 --> 00:21:43,051 to expose the supernatural. 518 00:21:43,052 --> 00:21:46,847 {\an8}My partner, a skeptic. Myself, a believer. 519 00:21:46,848 --> 00:21:48,223 {\an8}Both of us, truth seekers. 520 00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:50,058 This week, our team has traveled 521 00:21:50,059 --> 00:21:52,019 to Los Angeles, California, to explore 522 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:54,146 a condemned psychiatric facility. 523 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:57,357 Now, in 1841, this was the site of a Spanish barracks, 524 00:21:57,358 --> 00:21:59,985 but a massive earthquake swallowed the building, 525 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:01,445 killing everyone inside. 526 00:22:01,446 --> 00:22:03,989 Many saw the event as retribution for Spanish crimes 527 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:06,158 committed in the New World. 528 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,910 Sure, or an earthquake happened in a region 529 00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:10,662 prone to earthquakes. 530 00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:13,331 But that's just the beginning of this site's dark history. 531 00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:16,877 Join us as we investigate. - This way. 532 00:22:16,878 --> 00:22:19,504 At that time, did you believe the facility was haunted? 533 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:21,590 - No. - Yes. 534 00:22:21,591 --> 00:22:22,883 You were filming there too. 535 00:22:22,884 --> 00:22:24,760 Did you experience any temperature fluctuations 536 00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:26,011 or anything like that? 537 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:27,512 I'll ask the questions, if you don't mind. 538 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:28,805 We do. 539 00:22:28,806 --> 00:22:30,849 But this is my documentary. 540 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:33,769 No, this is our YouTube show. 541 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:35,896 Yeah, so ghosts are said to produce 542 00:22:35,897 --> 00:22:37,272 electromagnetic interference. 543 00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:39,858 Did you experience any trouble with your equipment? 544 00:22:43,529 --> 00:22:44,988 We're done here. 545 00:22:44,989 --> 00:22:47,365 Let's cut. Let's wrap this up. 546 00:22:49,702 --> 00:22:50,911 - Nice. - Yeah. 547 00:22:50,912 --> 00:22:52,829 All of you, let's go. Come on. 548 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,164 No, no way. 549 00:22:54,165 --> 00:22:55,874 This is some of the best footage we've ever gotten. 550 00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,209 - Listen to this. - What is that? 551 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:58,460 Oh, it's a Spirit Box. 552 00:22:58,461 --> 00:23:00,295 Did you guys hear anything? - A Spirit Box? 553 00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:02,714 The Spirit Box rapidly scans radio signals 554 00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:07,552 to create white noise through which spirits can communicate. 555 00:23:07,553 --> 00:23:10,388 - Hello. - See? 556 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:12,474 It's science. 557 00:23:12,475 --> 00:23:13,683 Listen. 558 00:23:16,479 --> 00:23:17,604 OK, OK. That's enough. 559 00:23:17,605 --> 00:23:18,688 We got to go. 560 00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:19,815 No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 561 00:23:19,816 --> 00:23:22,526 I heard something. Can you turn it up? 562 00:23:27,448 --> 00:23:28,782 Help me? 563 00:23:28,783 --> 00:23:30,867 That is not what I heard. 564 00:23:30,868 --> 00:23:33,495 Oh, oh, well, who do you think it is? 565 00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:35,831 - It's feedback. - It's a ghost. 566 00:23:35,832 --> 00:23:38,500 It was a little clearer down the hallway. 567 00:23:38,501 --> 00:23:40,460 Show me. 568 00:23:42,964 --> 00:23:46,550 So we're just going to give up on Tim and Lucy then? 569 00:23:46,551 --> 00:23:48,718 How long have we been in here? 570 00:23:51,681 --> 00:23:54,349 - This room? - Yeah. 571 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:55,433 I don't know. 572 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:57,394 We've been here for a while, right? 573 00:23:57,395 --> 00:24:00,355 Yeah, I mean, I don't mind. 574 00:24:00,356 --> 00:24:03,108 I feel good, like, really good. 575 00:24:03,109 --> 00:24:04,402 Mm. 576 00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:09,239 Do you think we've been drugged? 577 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,701 Oh, the wet walls. 578 00:24:12,702 --> 00:24:14,828 We touched them. - Yeah. 579 00:24:14,829 --> 00:24:16,788 I hate making mistakes in front of you. 580 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:21,501 Oh, you've never admitted that before. 581 00:24:21,502 --> 00:24:22,752 Truth serum. 582 00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:25,589 - Sodium pentothal. - Yeah. 583 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:26,965 You know what? 584 00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:31,344 We... we should keep quiet until this wears off. 585 00:24:31,345 --> 00:24:32,429 - No. - Yeah. 586 00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:33,597 - No. - It's better for us. 587 00:24:33,598 --> 00:24:34,723 No. 588 00:24:34,724 --> 00:24:39,686 What is your most embarrassing memory? 589 00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:45,442 Oh, I mean, third grade, I snuck my hamster 590 00:24:45,443 --> 00:24:48,612 into my classroom in my pants. 591 00:24:58,956 --> 00:25:02,709 With that kind of dad, you internalize 592 00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:06,421 the message that if you fail, you deserve to be punished. 593 00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:10,383 And without him to punish me, I... 594 00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:11,760 I guess I punished myself. 595 00:25:11,761 --> 00:25:14,846 - By breaking up with me. - Yep. 596 00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:17,682 I mean, it's kind of flattering, right? 597 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,518 It's the worst thing I could think to do to myself. 598 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,396 You didn't punish just yourself though. 599 00:25:23,397 --> 00:25:24,856 I know. 600 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:27,609 And look, if you never fully forgive me, 601 00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:28,777 I totally understand. 602 00:25:28,778 --> 00:25:30,695 I have already forgiven you. 603 00:25:30,696 --> 00:25:34,283 It's not even... 604 00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:37,494 Huh. 605 00:25:37,495 --> 00:25:38,954 I wonder when that happened. 606 00:25:38,955 --> 00:25:41,539 You can't put that in the documentary. 607 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,500 The LAPD makes all body cam footage 608 00:25:43,501 --> 00:25:44,626 available to the public. 609 00:25:44,627 --> 00:25:46,336 OK, this is obviously an exception. 610 00:25:46,337 --> 00:25:47,587 We were drugged. 611 00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:49,464 People... people say all sorts of things 612 00:25:49,465 --> 00:25:50,632 when they've been drugged. 613 00:25:50,633 --> 00:25:52,801 So you didn't mean what you said? 614 00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:56,513 What about the potential baby names you discussed? 615 00:25:56,514 --> 00:25:57,806 - OK, we're done here. - Yeah. 616 00:25:57,807 --> 00:25:58,890 Why do we keep agreeing to do this? 617 00:25:58,891 --> 00:26:00,350 I don't know. Excuse me! 618 00:26:00,351 --> 00:26:01,851 Help me. 619 00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:03,520 OK, you have to admit that's a voice asking for help. 620 00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:04,604 Yeah, sure, I heard it, 621 00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:05,605 but it's one of their crew members 622 00:26:05,606 --> 00:26:06,940 or something pre-recorded. 623 00:26:06,941 --> 00:26:09,693 Were you a patient here? Is the demon with you? 624 00:26:09,694 --> 00:26:12,237 Somebody covered up a door. 625 00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:13,488 What year did you die? 626 00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:16,408 So close. Set me free! 627 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:18,576 I'm here! I'm here! 628 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:19,661 Please... 629 00:26:19,662 --> 00:26:21,663 Step back, guys. 630 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:25,917 Keep going! 631 00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:27,627 You're almost there! - Watch out. Ready? 632 00:26:27,628 --> 00:26:30,381 Go. 633 00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:32,674 Abigail! 634 00:26:32,675 --> 00:26:34,384 Thank you! Thank you! 635 00:26:34,385 --> 00:26:35,552 Thank you! Thank you! 636 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:36,761 I've been trapped in here for so long. 637 00:26:36,762 --> 00:26:39,514 I thought I was going to die. Thank you! 638 00:26:39,515 --> 00:26:41,641 Oh, my God. What is this room? 639 00:26:41,642 --> 00:26:43,476 OK, but why did they wall it all off? 640 00:26:43,477 --> 00:26:44,728 To trap the demon. 641 00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:47,397 Yeah, Bartleby, the terrifying demon king 642 00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:48,565 of paperwork. 643 00:26:48,566 --> 00:26:50,525 How did you get down here? 644 00:26:50,526 --> 00:26:53,737 I was exploring, following this... 645 00:26:53,738 --> 00:26:55,864 this weird, beautiful noise, 646 00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:57,574 when all of a sudden, it got cold. 647 00:26:57,575 --> 00:26:58,908 Like, so, so cold, 648 00:26:58,909 --> 00:27:01,536 and I could feel something coming after me, 649 00:27:01,537 --> 00:27:03,788 and I was scared, so I hid behind a cabinet, 650 00:27:03,789 --> 00:27:06,541 but the floor was wet and rusted, 651 00:27:06,542 --> 00:27:08,710 and it collapsed. I couldn't climb back out. 652 00:27:08,711 --> 00:27:10,754 You fell from there? Are you OK? 653 00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:13,673 I think I twisted my ankle, but I feel no pain. 654 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:15,675 You've been missing for two weeks. 655 00:27:15,676 --> 00:27:19,263 How the hell did you survive? - Oh. 656 00:27:20,681 --> 00:27:23,516 I had a bunch of trail mix in my bag. 657 00:27:23,517 --> 00:27:25,769 Plus, I found, like, this ancient water jug 658 00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:27,437 in one of the cabinets. 659 00:27:27,438 --> 00:27:28,855 Plus, Bob. 660 00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:32,442 Bob had PowerBars. Bob had PowerBars. 661 00:27:32,443 --> 00:27:33,610 Bob? 662 00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:35,362 Oh, my God! 663 00:27:35,363 --> 00:27:36,529 If it wasn't for Bob, 664 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:39,449 I would have lost my mind down here. 665 00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:41,451 Don't be shy, Bob. Say hello. 666 00:27:41,452 --> 00:27:43,371 Shy. 667 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,082 Abigail was safe, and, uh, considering 668 00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:51,002 what she'd been through, relatively healthy. 669 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:52,295 Except for her mental state. 670 00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:55,924 That did pose some questions. 671 00:27:55,925 --> 00:27:57,258 At first, I was angry. 672 00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:59,302 You know, like, we're stuck down here together. 673 00:27:59,303 --> 00:28:01,262 At least try and have a conversation. 674 00:28:01,263 --> 00:28:04,974 {\an8}And then I realized Bob's just shy. 675 00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:06,226 He's just shy. 676 00:28:06,227 --> 00:28:08,019 And there's nothing wrong with that, right? 677 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:09,354 Right. 678 00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:11,898 Did you believe she'd had a demonic encounter? 679 00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:14,025 She went in perfectly sane 680 00:28:14,026 --> 00:28:16,319 and came out best friends with a corpse. 681 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,697 That's how possession works. You can't rule out demons. 682 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:20,824 Yes, you can. 683 00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:22,618 Nolan, look at this. 684 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:27,080 666, just like Zuzu said. 685 00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:31,084 It was a weird coincidence. 686 00:28:31,085 --> 00:28:35,130 It was a weird coincidence. 687 00:28:35,131 --> 00:28:38,258 We found quite a cocktail of drugs in your system. 688 00:28:38,259 --> 00:28:41,136 I don't do drugs. Does pot count? 689 00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:44,931 No, we're talking about powerful hallucinogens. 690 00:28:44,932 --> 00:28:46,891 I'm not hallucinating. 691 00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:48,852 Ask Bob. 692 00:28:48,853 --> 00:28:50,895 I had them run the test twice, 693 00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:52,188 and we found a similar cocktail 694 00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:54,315 in Officer Chen and Sergeant Bradford. 695 00:28:54,316 --> 00:28:57,986 Mercifully, none of the drugs were fat soluble. 696 00:28:57,987 --> 00:29:00,155 Otherwise, department policy 697 00:29:00,156 --> 00:29:01,990 would have forced Sergeant Bradford 698 00:29:01,991 --> 00:29:04,742 and Officer Chen into medical retirement. 699 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:05,910 Is that what killed Bob, 700 00:29:05,911 --> 00:29:07,996 whatever drug they were exposed to? 701 00:29:07,997 --> 00:29:12,000 No, he was shot six times in the chest. 702 00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:13,334 Did you get an ID on the body? 703 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:15,170 His name was Bob Medina, a friend reported him 704 00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:16,838 missing about six months ago. 705 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,339 He was a private investigator. 706 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:19,924 What was his connection to the hospital? 707 00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:22,010 At first, we couldn't find one. 708 00:29:22,011 --> 00:29:24,804 So to be clear, there was now a third killer 709 00:29:24,805 --> 00:29:26,181 associated with that location? 710 00:29:26,182 --> 00:29:28,016 At this point, it can't be a coincidence. 711 00:29:28,017 --> 00:29:29,934 There has to be something about that facility 712 00:29:29,935 --> 00:29:31,811 that draws people towards homicide. 713 00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:33,271 That's a stretch and a half. 714 00:29:33,272 --> 00:29:35,356 Westview is a hospital for the mentally ill 715 00:29:35,357 --> 00:29:37,942 and the criminally insane. Novak was a patient. 716 00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:39,277 Glasser was there looking for a patsy. 717 00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:41,362 And whoever killed Bob saw an abandoned building 718 00:29:41,363 --> 00:29:44,492 and was like, "That's a perfect place to dump a body." 719 00:29:46,744 --> 00:29:48,119 What? 720 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,122 Or there was some dark energy that drew evil to it. 721 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,374 - You really believe that? - I'm Catholic. 722 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:55,793 I was raised on demons and the battle 723 00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,128 against Satan's minions. 724 00:29:57,129 --> 00:29:59,130 Well, I was raised on the scientific method. 725 00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:01,966 OK, so if it's all so explainable, 726 00:30:01,967 --> 00:30:04,636 spend the night there. I dare you. 727 00:30:04,637 --> 00:30:05,762 Pass. 728 00:30:05,763 --> 00:30:06,763 You're scared. 729 00:30:06,764 --> 00:30:08,306 No, I'm not scared. 730 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:10,266 One could argue that the drugs in the hospital 731 00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:13,228 are hardly surprising, even hallucinogens. 732 00:30:13,229 --> 00:30:14,354 Over the decades, they have been used 733 00:30:14,355 --> 00:30:16,272 in experimental medicine. - No, true. 734 00:30:16,273 --> 00:30:19,234 Just the type and volume is what set off... 735 00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:22,195 - What are you doing? - Conducting an interview. 736 00:30:22,196 --> 00:30:24,072 Could you please come back in, like, an hour? 737 00:30:24,073 --> 00:30:26,783 You said you'd talk to me for my documentary. 738 00:30:26,784 --> 00:30:28,034 You have a documentary? 739 00:30:28,035 --> 00:30:30,078 Well, it's my story. Who better to tell it? 740 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:31,579 Well, no problem. 741 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:33,164 I can sit down with you just as soon as we're done here. 742 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:34,958 Oh, I wish. It has to be exclusive. 743 00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:36,334 You can't do both. 744 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:38,086 She's right. It has to be exclusive. 745 00:30:38,087 --> 00:30:40,004 Either you're doing my doc, or you're doing hers, 746 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,214 and we have a long history. 747 00:30:41,215 --> 00:30:42,924 I was almost his daughter-in-law, 748 00:30:42,925 --> 00:30:45,093 so suck it. 749 00:30:45,094 --> 00:30:46,928 I'm going to have to go with her. 750 00:30:46,929 --> 00:30:49,180 I'm sorry. - Seriously? 751 00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:51,808 I have a BAFTA. 752 00:30:51,809 --> 00:30:53,351 OK, fine. 753 00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:55,937 Let's wrap it up. - This way. The set's this way. 754 00:30:55,938 --> 00:30:57,230 It's better lighting over there. 755 00:30:57,231 --> 00:30:58,982 We got a great team. 756 00:30:58,983 --> 00:31:00,316 We are going to need our mic back. 757 00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:01,943 - Yes, oh, sorry. - Yeah, of course. 758 00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:03,945 We have our own. - Sorry. 759 00:31:03,946 --> 00:31:05,530 I'll see you guys around. - Good luck. 760 00:31:05,531 --> 00:31:08,032 We can talk about what else I found inside the secret lab. 761 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:09,242 Oh, right. 762 00:31:09,243 --> 00:31:11,202 Well, you did find some paperwork. 763 00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:14,163 Explosive paperwork. 764 00:31:14,164 --> 00:31:16,124 Evidence of a secret government program. 765 00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:18,001 Close the door softly please. 766 00:31:18,002 --> 00:31:20,128 Well, I don't know that we can say that for sure. 767 00:31:20,129 --> 00:31:21,880 Oh, we could. 768 00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:26,092 My name is Abigail Tierney. 769 00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:28,136 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab 770 00:31:28,137 --> 00:31:29,387 at Westview Psychiatric. 771 00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:31,472 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 772 00:31:31,473 --> 00:31:34,267 If I'm to die here, I leave you this footage 773 00:31:34,268 --> 00:31:38,021 along with my in-process documentary as evidence 774 00:31:38,022 --> 00:31:40,148 of my hunt for the truth about the evils 775 00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:42,233 that inhabit this accursed place. 776 00:31:42,234 --> 00:31:44,235 ♪ The way I move is a mystery ♪ 777 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:45,945 ♪ I'm not the way ♪ 778 00:31:45,946 --> 00:31:47,947 What's this? 779 00:31:49,033 --> 00:31:50,241 Cool. 780 00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:51,993 That's when I realized I'd uncovered 781 00:31:51,994 --> 00:31:54,495 something more haunting than any ghost or serial killer. 782 00:31:54,496 --> 00:31:57,248 I'd uncovered a conspiracy that went to 783 00:31:57,249 --> 00:32:01,169 the very highest levels of our government. 784 00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:03,171 {\an8}The government files Abigail found 785 00:32:03,172 --> 00:32:07,008 {\an8}detailed classified plans and methods 786 00:32:07,009 --> 00:32:09,093 for human experimentation. 787 00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:10,970 What type of experimentation? 788 00:32:10,971 --> 00:32:12,764 Are you familiar with MK-Ultra? 789 00:32:12,765 --> 00:32:14,182 Of course. 790 00:32:14,183 --> 00:32:16,768 It was a top secret CIA program in the '50s and '60s 791 00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:18,102 using experimental drugs 792 00:32:18,103 --> 00:32:19,395 {\an8}to aid in interrogation techniques. 793 00:32:19,396 --> 00:32:21,272 {\an8}It was straight-up mind control. 794 00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:24,442 I mean, they used high doses of psychoactive drugs like LSD, 795 00:32:24,443 --> 00:32:29,405 sodium pentothal, which is also known as a "truth serum." 796 00:32:29,406 --> 00:32:32,867 The program ran from 1953 to 1973 797 00:32:32,868 --> 00:32:35,578 before it was shut down following a public outcry. 798 00:32:35,579 --> 00:32:37,705 I mean, all the facilities were closed. 799 00:32:37,706 --> 00:32:40,208 There's no evidence the CIA ever used Westview 800 00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:41,709 as a base of operations. 801 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:44,462 {\an8}So what were top secret MK-Ultra documents doing there? 802 00:32:44,463 --> 00:32:45,755 Good question. 803 00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:47,590 We started digging into the trove of files 804 00:32:47,591 --> 00:32:49,509 Abigail had found, and one name 805 00:32:49,510 --> 00:32:51,803 kept popping up again and again. 806 00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:53,846 Dr. Julius Erickson. 807 00:32:53,847 --> 00:32:56,933 He was one of the psychologists contracted by the CIA 808 00:32:56,934 --> 00:32:59,852 to conduct experimental research. 809 00:32:59,853 --> 00:33:03,314 And after MK-Ultra shut down, he took a new job. 810 00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:04,565 Director of Westview. 811 00:33:04,566 --> 00:33:07,402 Dr. Erickson ran the hospital for 20 years. 812 00:33:07,403 --> 00:33:08,903 And from the notes we uncovered, 813 00:33:08,904 --> 00:33:12,365 it seems clear he continued his own research in private, 814 00:33:12,366 --> 00:33:14,367 trying to use the psychological breakthroughs 815 00:33:14,368 --> 00:33:17,161 from MK-Ultra to further his own research 816 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:18,579 into mind-altering drugs. 817 00:33:18,580 --> 00:33:21,165 I assume he used those drugs on Westview patients? 818 00:33:21,166 --> 00:33:22,583 Yeah, at first. 819 00:33:22,584 --> 00:33:24,293 But then, he started using them on himself, 820 00:33:24,294 --> 00:33:26,838 believing he had found the key to improving his own mind. 821 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,089 He hadn't. 822 00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:29,507 And in a last moment of lucidity, 823 00:33:29,508 --> 00:33:32,176 Erickson decided to destroy his research. 824 00:33:32,177 --> 00:33:33,845 He dumped the chemicals outside the building, 825 00:33:33,846 --> 00:33:36,305 where they started to slowly seep into the structure. 826 00:33:36,306 --> 00:33:38,141 And some of the drugs were potent enough 827 00:33:38,142 --> 00:33:40,059 to be absorbed simply by touch, 828 00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:41,769 even when diluted. 829 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:44,063 Erickson committed himself to Westview shortly after, 830 00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:46,149 never said another word. 831 00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:47,525 He died in 2020. 832 00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:50,236 Did the CIA ever find out what Erickson was doing? 833 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:53,072 Not that we've found, but it's not like the agency 834 00:33:53,073 --> 00:33:55,826 ever returns our phone calls. 835 00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:59,954 Anyone who studied the past knows that the CIA 836 00:33:59,955 --> 00:34:02,248 has a history of violent cover-ups. 837 00:34:02,249 --> 00:34:04,584 MK-Ultra might have become public, 838 00:34:04,585 --> 00:34:06,252 but that doesn't mean there still 839 00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:07,628 aren't secrets to protect. 840 00:34:07,629 --> 00:34:10,506 By uncovering Dr. Erickson's connection to Westview 841 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:15,386 and discovering Bob's body, I've put myself in danger. 842 00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:16,888 But the best way to protect yourself 843 00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:21,392 is with the truth, which brings me to Caroline McGrath. 844 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:22,769 Turns out Caroline is the one 845 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:24,854 who hired Bob to go to Westview, 846 00:34:24,855 --> 00:34:28,232 and I need to find out why before it's too late. 847 00:34:28,233 --> 00:34:30,235 I think... 848 00:34:38,368 --> 00:34:42,246 - What the hell? - We got lucky. 849 00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:44,916 A woman in the neighborhood heard a commotion 850 00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:47,126 and filmed Abigail's abduction. 851 00:34:47,127 --> 00:34:48,878 Thanks to them, we were able to track the vehicle. 852 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,046 Where'd it go? 853 00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:52,965 Back to where it all began, Westview. 854 00:34:59,014 --> 00:35:00,848 Police! Drop the weapon! 855 00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:02,183 On the ground. 856 00:35:02,184 --> 00:35:04,811 Hands on your head. Turn around. 857 00:35:04,812 --> 00:35:05,978 Walk towards my partner. 858 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:08,105 Hands behind your back. 859 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,942 - You OK? - Yeah, totally fine. 860 00:35:10,943 --> 00:35:12,151 Carl's going through it, though. 861 00:35:12,152 --> 00:35:14,111 I never really even knew my mother. 862 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:15,780 Does anyone, really? 863 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:17,114 What is going on here? 864 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:19,951 Well, my friend Carl here was being pressured 865 00:35:19,952 --> 00:35:23,037 into killing me, but then, we got to talking, right? 866 00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:24,372 - Yeah, and I couldn't. - Yeah. 867 00:35:24,373 --> 00:35:28,960 - OK, but pressured by who? - Um, my boss. 868 00:35:28,961 --> 00:35:30,962 - Meg Davidson. - Who? 869 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,881 The current director at Westview Psychiatric. 870 00:35:36,009 --> 00:35:37,760 But she started working at the hospital 871 00:35:37,761 --> 00:35:39,929 long after Julius Erickson went mad, 872 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:41,681 and she has no links to the CIA, 873 00:35:41,682 --> 00:35:43,182 so why would she try to kill Abigail? 874 00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:46,769 - To cover up Bob's murder. - And who killed Bob? 875 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,855 Can you introduce yourself? 876 00:35:48,856 --> 00:35:50,815 {\an8}Oh, yes. My name is Caroline McGrath. 877 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:53,693 {\an8}You hired my friend, Bob Medina, 878 00:35:53,694 --> 00:35:55,194 because you had questions 879 00:35:55,195 --> 00:35:57,697 about your friend Winona's treatment at Westview, right? 880 00:35:57,698 --> 00:35:58,948 Yes, of course, everyone thought 881 00:35:58,949 --> 00:36:02,618 I was just being paranoid, but Bob didn't, 882 00:36:02,619 --> 00:36:03,828 and it got him killed. 883 00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:05,079 You worked with Winona Baker, right? 884 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,458 Yes, she was hospitalized with depression 885 00:36:09,459 --> 00:36:10,918 by her daughter. 886 00:36:10,919 --> 00:36:14,005 Seemed like therapy and some medication would help her, 887 00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,841 but Winona got worse fast. 888 00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:18,718 Lost track of reality, 889 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,513 she exhibited signs of psychosis, 890 00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:24,140 paranoia, dissociation. 891 00:36:24,141 --> 00:36:26,142 And by that point, I wondered whether a transfer 892 00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:29,478 to a new facility might be in her best interest. 893 00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:30,771 And then? 894 00:36:30,772 --> 00:36:32,273 The director informed me that Winona's family 895 00:36:32,274 --> 00:36:34,984 had gotten a judge to order a conservatorship, 896 00:36:34,985 --> 00:36:37,945 and they wanted her to stay for good. 897 00:36:37,946 --> 00:36:39,614 You were suspicious? 898 00:36:39,615 --> 00:36:41,616 Winona always had her funks. 899 00:36:41,617 --> 00:36:43,743 But she wasn't crazy 900 00:36:43,744 --> 00:36:45,244 until that place made her lose her mind. 901 00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:47,747 And that proved to be the break you needed? 902 00:36:47,748 --> 00:36:49,248 Yeah, when we started looking into it, 903 00:36:49,249 --> 00:36:52,835 it turned out a significant number of Westview patients 904 00:36:52,836 --> 00:36:55,087 were wealthy, and a high percentage 905 00:36:55,088 --> 00:36:57,173 were ordered into conservatorship. 906 00:36:57,174 --> 00:37:00,009 Now, conservatorship is extremely difficult 907 00:37:00,010 --> 00:37:03,679 to get for an adult because of the potential abuse of power. 908 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,097 It gives one party legal authority 909 00:37:05,098 --> 00:37:07,767 over certain aspects of another person's life, 910 00:37:07,768 --> 00:37:09,101 including managing all of their assets. 911 00:37:09,102 --> 00:37:11,604 It's like what happened to Britney Spears. 912 00:37:11,605 --> 00:37:12,939 "Manage their assets"... 913 00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,106 rich person speak for controlling 914 00:37:14,107 --> 00:37:16,025 someone else's money. 915 00:37:16,026 --> 00:37:19,946 Yes, and money makes people do crazy things. 916 00:37:19,947 --> 00:37:22,949 Like poison their family member's water 917 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:24,951 with a chemical cocktail so potent 918 00:37:24,952 --> 00:37:26,827 it has the potential to permanently damage 919 00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:28,579 the human psyche? 920 00:37:30,123 --> 00:37:33,709 Yeah, just like that. 921 00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:35,127 I was supposed to inherit, 922 00:37:35,128 --> 00:37:39,215 but, um, after my break with reality, 923 00:37:39,216 --> 00:37:42,677 my dad cut me off, and my brother got everything. 924 00:37:42,678 --> 00:37:43,886 What's everything? 925 00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:46,180 Oh, about, um, $12 million. 926 00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,557 It must have been hard going from that kind of wealth 927 00:37:48,558 --> 00:37:49,976 to nannying. - Oh, no. 928 00:37:49,977 --> 00:37:51,894 No, it was a blessing. 929 00:37:51,895 --> 00:37:55,815 I really think that helping children was my calling. 930 00:37:55,816 --> 00:37:57,233 Mm. 931 00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:59,485 Once we found the pattern, we started interviewing 932 00:37:59,486 --> 00:38:00,653 some of the families. 933 00:38:00,654 --> 00:38:01,821 A little pressure, and they cracked. 934 00:38:01,822 --> 00:38:02,947 And with the search warrant, 935 00:38:02,948 --> 00:38:05,574 we found the gun used to kill Bob Medina 936 00:38:05,575 --> 00:38:06,909 in Director Davidson's closet. 937 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:09,787 She'd been running her scam for a decade. 938 00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:11,914 Turns out she was Dr. Erickson's therapist 939 00:38:11,915 --> 00:38:13,916 in the last years of his life. 940 00:38:13,917 --> 00:38:16,877 He must have told her about his experiments. 941 00:38:16,878 --> 00:38:19,964 In exploring his old lab, she'd uncovered 942 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:22,717 the tainted water, realized its potential. 943 00:38:22,718 --> 00:38:25,094 And we had her on murder, fraud, 944 00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:29,015 elder abuse, kidnapping, attempted murder, poisoning. 945 00:38:29,016 --> 00:38:32,101 Miss Davidson, would you like to make a comment? 946 00:38:32,102 --> 00:38:34,562 You know, this might be your last chance to tell 947 00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:35,646 your side of the story. 948 00:38:37,607 --> 00:38:39,233 Look at all these people watching. 949 00:38:39,234 --> 00:38:41,861 The state ordered a full investigation 950 00:38:41,862 --> 00:38:43,946 into every conservatorship Westview ordered. 951 00:38:43,947 --> 00:38:45,781 God willing, the victims will get 952 00:38:45,782 --> 00:38:47,116 their rights and assets back. 953 00:38:47,117 --> 00:38:49,952 And Westview itself has been closed for good. 954 00:38:49,953 --> 00:38:51,954 But the lawsuits are just starting, 955 00:38:51,955 --> 00:38:54,874 not to mention the rest of the legal ramifications. 956 00:38:54,875 --> 00:38:57,084 I'm glad this is getting so much attention. 957 00:38:57,085 --> 00:39:01,130 These poor, abused patients can finally get justice. 958 00:39:01,131 --> 00:39:03,257 Do you think it could impact your case at all? 959 00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:06,719 It certainly gives my defense a fresh coat of paint. 960 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,513 If the jury won't listen to reason... 961 00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:10,931 because I am innocent... 962 00:39:10,932 --> 00:39:13,059 perhaps they will listen to the tragic story 963 00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:16,187 of a simple tradesman falling victim 964 00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:21,901 to a poisoned environment that chemically affected my psyche. 965 00:39:21,902 --> 00:39:25,071 And what did that environment make you do? 966 00:39:25,072 --> 00:39:27,615 Who can say? Certainly not me. 967 00:39:27,616 --> 00:39:30,951 I... I wasn't in my right mind. 968 00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:33,037 Yeah, the, um... the poisoned water 969 00:39:33,038 --> 00:39:35,956 was only found in the abandoned psych ward. 970 00:39:35,957 --> 00:39:38,834 No vending machines left to fill there, right? 971 00:39:38,835 --> 00:39:42,963 At this point, I must confess I did go inside 972 00:39:42,964 --> 00:39:45,883 that abandoned ward back when I was a kid. 973 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:48,928 {\an8}My father's warnings, they didn't scare me away. 974 00:39:48,929 --> 00:39:52,014 {\an8}They only made me more desperate to see. 975 00:39:52,015 --> 00:39:56,936 And whatever lurked inside... 976 00:39:56,937 --> 00:39:58,938 must have infected me. 977 00:40:01,775 --> 00:40:03,234 Hm. 978 00:40:03,235 --> 00:40:05,402 Glasser is claiming that the presence of those drugs 979 00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,988 would absolve him of any alleged responsibility 980 00:40:07,989 --> 00:40:09,323 for the murders. 981 00:40:09,324 --> 00:40:10,825 There is no way that defense is going to work. 982 00:40:10,826 --> 00:40:13,954 We have Glasser dead to rights. - Are you sure about that? 983 00:40:15,372 --> 00:40:17,081 Yeah. 984 00:40:17,082 --> 00:40:18,457 Mm-hmm. 985 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:29,927 Hey, hey. Sorry. 986 00:40:29,928 --> 00:40:33,472 I know we talked about me not recording interviews in here, 987 00:40:33,473 --> 00:40:37,434 but Rodge mentioned he needed a space with great acoustics. 988 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,562 And, you know, we're shutting it down. 989 00:40:39,563 --> 00:40:40,938 We're shutting it down. Shut it... 990 00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:44,441 shut it down. - Shutting it down, copy. 991 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:45,151 Hi. Sorry. 992 00:40:45,152 --> 00:40:46,527 She said this was cool. 993 00:40:46,528 --> 00:40:47,611 You're going to help me get these in the van, right? 994 00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:49,864 I'll be right there. 995 00:40:49,865 --> 00:40:53,367 Next time, handcuffs and squad cars. 996 00:40:53,368 --> 00:40:55,452 Yeah, totally understandable. 997 00:40:57,539 --> 00:40:58,873 Thanks again for going exclusive with me. 998 00:40:58,874 --> 00:41:02,168 Seriously, this doc is going to be huge. 999 00:41:02,169 --> 00:41:03,669 I hope so. 1000 00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:05,963 You deserve something good after what you've been through. 1001 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:08,549 How are you holding up? - Oh, I'm... I'm fine. 1002 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:10,926 I'm happy to have something to focus on. 1003 00:41:10,927 --> 00:41:12,303 When I've been through some scary times, 1004 00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:16,724 I have been guilty of using my work as my therapy, 1005 00:41:16,725 --> 00:41:19,685 but if there's ever a time you need someone to talk to... 1006 00:41:19,686 --> 00:41:21,020 Thank you. Really. 1007 00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:22,897 But I already have a great therapist, 1008 00:41:22,898 --> 00:41:25,399 one with zero history at Westview. 1009 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,860 Excellent. 1010 00:41:27,861 --> 00:41:29,778 You know, there's still something I can't figure out. 1011 00:41:29,779 --> 00:41:32,781 How did you know that Bob the PI 1012 00:41:32,782 --> 00:41:34,116 was working for Caroline McGrath. 1013 00:41:34,117 --> 00:41:37,870 Oh, Bob told me while we were stuck in the lab. 1014 00:41:37,871 --> 00:41:40,748 He got chatty once he opened up. 1015 00:41:40,749 --> 00:41:42,541 I have that effect on people. 1016 00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:46,837 We had to come back because our job isn't finished. 1017 00:41:46,838 --> 00:41:48,172 This hospital has housed killers, 1018 00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:51,050 evil experiments, and perhaps the supernatural. 1019 00:41:51,051 --> 00:41:53,177 Our job as investigators is to collect 1020 00:41:53,178 --> 00:41:56,055 and present questions and possibilities. 1021 00:41:56,056 --> 00:41:59,934 Interpretation, however, solely belongs with you. 1022 00:41:59,935 --> 00:42:02,603 Did Westview really... 1023 00:42:07,943 --> 00:42:10,778 Should we check that out? 1024 00:42:10,779 --> 00:42:12,821 I might be good. 1025 00:42:12,822 --> 00:42:14,823 You know what? Me too. 1026 00:42:17,494 --> 00:42:19,620 Whoo! 1027 00:42:19,621 --> 00:42:20,705 Oh, God! 1028 00:42:55,865 --> 00:42:56,950 Damn it.