1 00:00:04,490 --> 00:00:06,890 (Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Upgrade to Unlimited to remove this message.) Peter Pan is a very old soul. 2 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:10,600 And he finds these families. 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,220 He takes the children to Neverland, where they remain young forever. 4 00:00:29,060 --> 00:00:33,140 I've seen children shower me with love. 5 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:35,220 They just want to touch me and hug me. 6 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,740 Hang in there and cry and don't let go. 7 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,200 Michael Jackson met Gavin Arvizo in 2000. 8 00:00:47,780 --> 00:00:49,440 He was 10 years old. 9 00:00:50,620 --> 00:00:52,540 And he was dying of cancer. 10 00:01:01,460 --> 00:01:05,760 Michael wanted me to edit a short film about Michael and Gavin. 11 00:01:09,260 --> 00:01:11,340 And I don't think it was meant for the public to see. 12 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,140 When I see this footage, I feel uncomfortable. 13 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,460 Is it possible that Michael is a child molester? 14 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:34,700 Is it possible that he did something to this boy? 15 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,980 Dozens of investigators raided Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch. 16 00:01:42,860 --> 00:01:48,340 The search is linked to allegations by a 12-year-old boy that he was molested by Jackson. 17 00:01:49,820 --> 00:01:55,320 I was told that if you say or do anything, you will end your career. 18 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:58,820 Michael had some kind of control over me. 19 00:02:00,980 --> 00:02:03,280 I didn't say what I should have said. 20 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:05,680 Tonight, Jackson is wanted by the police. 21 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,540 All accusations against Michael were a hoax. 22 00:02:11,060 --> 00:02:12,940 Michael Jackson arrested. 23 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:16,880 He had a succession of boys come into his room and spend the night. 24 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:20,020 He could abuse children with almost impunity. 25 00:02:24,410 --> 00:02:26,710 I remember Gavin's mother saying: 26 00:02:27,090 --> 00:02:30,850 I don't care what he offers, I will never accept the devil's money. 27 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:35,930 A jury in Santa Maria, California, reached a verdict. 28 00:02:36,850 --> 00:02:41,430 If he's found guilty, it won't be a trip back to Neverland, but straight to prison. 29 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:43,130 Do you think he is innocent? 30 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:49,290 After everything you've seen, do you still think he's possibly innocent? 31 00:03:13,330 --> 00:03:15,390 Michael Jackson has a lot at stake. 32 00:03:16,650 --> 00:03:19,590 After years of scandal and some pretty strange behavior, 33 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:22,470 the king of pop may have to fight to keep his title. 34 00:03:24,250 --> 00:03:28,310 At one time, singer Michael Jackson was the hottest showbiz artist in the world, 35 00:03:28,450 --> 00:03:30,410 but then his career declined sharply. 36 00:03:31,410 --> 00:03:40,040 When I met Michael Jackson, he was renting a beautiful house near Central Park. 37 00:03:40,860 --> 00:03:44,760 I walk in and Michael is in this room. 38 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:47,760 It was a little like that, you know, there wasn't much light. 39 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,340 And he is very shy. 40 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Michael is very shy. 41 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,160 So I started asking questions like: What are you doing in New York? 42 00:03:54,820 --> 00:03:56,620 Well, I'm finishing my album Invincible. 43 00:03:57,380 --> 00:03:59,620 Little did I know that this had been happening for a decade. 44 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:06,630 I was rabbi at Oxford University for 11 years. 45 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:12,290 And because I was so involved in the space of helping people order their lives, 46 00:04:12,450 --> 00:04:14,470 I felt like I could do this for Michael. 47 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:20,089 I mean, everyone knew that Michael Jackson was in trouble somehow, 48 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:23,370 that he was a little off. 49 00:04:23,410 --> 00:04:23,990 He was different. 50 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:30,230 In fact, if we want to be a little less kind, his name was Wacko Jacko. 51 00:04:32,950 --> 00:04:36,210 We started talking and the conversation started to flow. 52 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:38,770 It probably turned into a two, three hour meeting. 53 00:04:39,490 --> 00:04:43,110 And then he immediately starts sharing even these very private things. 54 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:48,070 Testing, one, two, three, testing. 55 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:54,370 OK, let me ask you: were you happy when I was little? 56 00:04:56,290 --> 00:04:57,790 No one has heard these tapes before. 57 00:04:59,470 --> 00:05:03,170 And the things Michael reveals on these tapes have no precedence. 58 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:07,670 My father made sure we rehearsed every day. 59 00:05:07,970 --> 00:05:09,130 We had a bell in our hand. 60 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:11,810 If you got out of rhythm, you would feel really bad. 61 00:05:11,810 --> 00:05:15,610 She would be breaking furniture and it was just terrible. 62 00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:19,370 My mother, she's always been here now. 63 00:05:19,710 --> 00:05:21,270 Joe, no, you're going to kill him. 64 00:05:21,370 --> 00:05:23,150 No, no, Joe is awesome. 65 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:26,010 Throw yourself and hit as hard as you can. 66 00:05:27,550 --> 00:05:29,470 How did I feel listening to this? 67 00:05:31,050 --> 00:05:31,630 Discouraged. 68 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:36,730 But I began to understand Michael much more deeply. 69 00:05:37,790 --> 00:05:40,190 My father comes home late. 70 00:05:41,930 --> 00:05:42,810 Open the door. 71 00:05:44,330 --> 00:05:45,430 The door is locked. 72 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:47,770 So I'm giving you five seconds. 73 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:49,150 If you don't open it, I'll kick it. 74 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:50,630 And he starts kicking. 75 00:05:51,030 --> 00:05:52,590 Boom, kicking, like breaking the door. 76 00:05:53,110 --> 00:05:54,790 Why do you sign this contract today? 77 00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:55,870 I will, I don't know. 78 00:05:55,950 --> 00:05:57,070 He'll, well, sign it. 79 00:05:57,290 --> 00:05:58,890 If you don't sign, you'll be in trouble. 80 00:06:02,430 --> 00:06:06,230 Joseph had this thing, I'm raising men, not boys. 81 00:06:07,850 --> 00:06:09,150 Crying was unacceptable. 82 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:14,490 Anything he thought of made them look a little feminine, 83 00:06:15,490 --> 00:06:17,690 This didn't sit well with him. 84 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:22,210 His father wanted him to be an artist, 85 00:06:22,310 --> 00:06:24,070 but he never gave her unconditional love. 86 00:06:25,650 --> 00:06:28,450 He told me, do you understand that since the age of five, 87 00:06:28,470 --> 00:06:32,990 I was taken to clubs where we saw things, nightclubs. 88 00:06:34,630 --> 00:06:38,090 Every night I was in clubs with a lady who took off all her clothes, 89 00:06:38,590 --> 00:06:39,850 threw her panties into the audience, 90 00:06:39,850 --> 00:06:41,470 and the man grabbed them and cut them. 91 00:06:41,890 --> 00:06:44,390 She would put these things on her breasts and move them, 92 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:45,930 and then she showed everything. 93 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,620 His brothers whenever they were on tour when they were adults 94 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 there were many women who came and went from the hotels 95 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,620 with all that, you know, rock and roll stuff. 96 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,460 Except Michael. 97 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,280 Michael would run away from it. 98 00:07:04,450 --> 00:07:07,690 Sometimes, even by his own admission, he cried. 99 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:11,250 He always told me he thought it was disgusting. 100 00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:14,350 Has this led you to believe that sex can be gross? 101 00:07:14,530 --> 00:07:15,110 Yes, possibly. 102 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:19,050 This is not the best way to find out what love and sex are. 103 00:07:21,540 --> 00:07:25,180 I've always said, if I ever have children, I will never behave this way. 104 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,900 I said, I'm not going to touch a hair on their head. 105 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,180 Because people always talk about abuse, abuse, and that's not true. 106 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,700 I'm totally the opposite. 107 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,520 Michael was robbed of that childhood innocence. 108 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,180 And Michael spent his life trying to get the world's attention, 109 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,240 thinking it might make up for it. 110 00:07:43,540 --> 00:07:44,540 And that never happened. 111 00:07:56,730 --> 00:08:00,170 I met Michael Jackson in 1984. 112 00:08:01,650 --> 00:08:04,410 The Jackson Five were on the Victory Tour, their reunion. 113 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:08,370 Michael introduced the moonwalk to the world back then. 114 00:08:08,370 --> 00:08:10,070 I saw Michael Jackson. 115 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:17,070 At that time, his popularity was through the roof. 116 00:08:26,220 --> 00:08:29,080 When you think about 1984 and you think about Michael Jackson, 117 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,580 you think about this dark-skinned black man who is a woman, 118 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,559 whether they were black, white or whatever, 119 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,980 they were crazy about him. 120 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:39,780 I thought he was the most handsome guy ever. 121 00:08:40,299 --> 00:08:41,020 He was sexy. 122 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:41,940 He was charming. 123 00:08:41,940 --> 00:08:43,440 He was electric. 124 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,180 He was the King of Pop. 125 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,520 And there was this mystery to him too, because he never said much. 126 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,260 He lives here with his mother and two sisters, 127 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:57,320 a boa constrictor, a llama and a room full of mannequins. 128 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,760 He loves mannequins. 129 00:08:59,420 --> 00:09:03,240 He is a Jehovah's Witness, does not smoke, drink, or swear, 130 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:06,560 He loves Disneyland and is very shy. 131 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,400 And then Michael did something strange. 132 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:17,120 In the late 80s and early 90s, he stopped having adult friends. 133 00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:22,720 I know the family members were wondering: what is going on there? 134 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,680 He basically cut them off. 135 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,540 And then, of course, he built this amazing place, Neverland. 136 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:50,400 It was a very isolated farm, about 3,000 acres. 137 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,500 So there was this contradictory dichotomy of him, on the one hand, 138 00:09:55,540 --> 00:09:58,960 being the most recognized artist on Earth, 139 00:09:59,620 --> 00:10:01,880 and then, on the other hand, never visible. 140 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:10,700 So when you built Neverland, it was your special place to protect yourself? 141 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:15,720 I could walk around the lake and not know I'm being spied on. 142 00:10:17,580 --> 00:10:23,540 I was just creating, in my life, things that I never did as a child. 143 00:10:31,810 --> 00:10:35,930 Peter Pan knew what the true golden magic of childhood was all about. 144 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:40,830 And he would find these families and take the children to Neverland, 145 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:42,050 where they stay young forever. 146 00:10:45,970 --> 00:10:47,550 It was in the summer of 2000. 147 00:10:48,470 --> 00:10:51,850 My family and I arrived at Neverland. 148 00:10:54,330 --> 00:10:58,050 Michael was so reclusive, never visible, always hidden. 149 00:10:58,750 --> 00:11:02,450 And I would tell him: you're a young guy and you don't have any friends here. 150 00:11:03,190 --> 00:11:05,490 He was totally alienated from his father. 151 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:08,370 And I began to understand that Michael was living a nightmare. 152 00:11:18,060 --> 00:11:19,260 Stop pulling down. 153 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:19,680 To stop. 154 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:28,180 Come on, watch your fingers. 155 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,040 Lower your hand. 156 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:39,820 Working for Michael Jackson was crazy all the time. 157 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,860 Michael, did you sign my photo from yesterday? 158 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,320 Can you give it back to me, please? 159 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:45,660 Sorry, I didn't see it. 160 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Okay, we have to go. 161 00:11:48,060 --> 00:11:49,180 We have to go. 162 00:11:49,180 --> 00:11:50,640 Careful, we have to go. 163 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:55,320 Pull it back. 164 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,520 Why are they helping us out there? 165 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,620 Okay, until the end. 166 00:11:59,740 --> 00:12:00,220 All the way up. 167 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Let go. 168 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:06,580 I was a 21-year-old producer trying to make it in Hollywood. 169 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:09,660 One project led to another project. 170 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:16,460 And before I know it, I'm working for the biggest star in the history of stardom, Michael Jackson. 171 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:20,700 From that day forward, for years to come, 172 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:24,420 Michael's director of photography and I shot everything for Michael. 173 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Entering a public place with Michael Jackson 174 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:35,100 it can only be adequately or sufficiently understood if you actually saw it happen. 175 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:48,260 There is no comparison between Michael Jackson fans and the rest of the fans. 176 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,040 It's a totally different planet. 177 00:13:04,090 --> 00:13:07,650 It's the people who really look up to Michael Jackson, 178 00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:11,990 not only as a man, but also as god and his religion. 179 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:21,030 It's like the biblical version of modern stardom. 180 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,240 But I have very few memories of when I actually felt Michael was happy. 181 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,300 I think the only times I've seen Michael really happy 182 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:41,740 it was when he was playing, when he was surrounded by children. 183 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:46,820 And that's why Neverland was perfect for Michael Jackson. 184 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:55,500 If any child could build the house of their dreams, they would build Neverland Ranch. 185 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:03,700 A train station, a carousel, roller coasters, a zoo. 186 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,780 It was simply surreal. 187 00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:11,220 Michael Jackson, in my opinion, was just a child. 188 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:21,280 I've never seen a sexual side of Michael Jackson. 189 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,140 I saw an asexual man who wanted to be 12 years old and wanted to have water balloon fights. 190 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,560 Welcome to Neverland. 191 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:31,020 And have a wonderful day. 192 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,880 I saw many children visiting Neverland. 193 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:43,900 I saw a ton of sick kids with big smiles on their faces. 194 00:14:45,860 --> 00:14:48,160 I wanted to be a place where I could bring sick children and 195 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,040 disadvantaged and disadvantaged across the world. 196 00:14:54,820 --> 00:14:57,740 A haven for them where they could feel safe and have some escapism. 197 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,360 Or kids who have never seen this kind of thing in the city center, 198 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:03,940 you know, breathe fresh air and see the mountain. 199 00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:11,570 You have all these sick kids who came to Neverland Ranch and met Michael Jackson 200 00:15:11,570 --> 00:15:16,290 and met this figure similar to Peter Pan and had a lot of fun 201 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:19,870 for a day before returning to a cancer hospital. 202 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,840 Michael wanted me to understand that he had noble motives, 203 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,600 that he was a good person, that he had a kind heart, 204 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,240 that he was genuinely dedicated to children in general and sick children in particular. 205 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:42,080 And Michael kept telling me that a child who has cancer, 206 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,900 who he had met and befriended, was coming to stay for the first time. 207 00:15:54,890 --> 00:15:57,650 Gavin Arvizo was a 10-year-old boy. 208 00:15:58,270 --> 00:16:02,650 He was small, fragile and had terminal cancer. 209 00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:09,830 I remember having to edit a Michael and Gavin short film. 210 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,580 The video was made for Gavin's family and Michael to enjoy and for Michael to have. 211 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,840 And I don't think it was meant for the public to see. 212 00:16:29,650 --> 00:16:33,970 The first time you see this, I think you are a little surprised, 213 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:36,870 especially if you don't know Michael Jackson very well. 214 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:46,210 It was very uncomfortable because it's a grown man apparently having a picnic 215 00:16:46,930 --> 00:16:47,810 with a 10 year old child. 216 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:55,460 It shows Michael and Gavin holding hands. 217 00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:59,820 And the soundtrack that Michael specifically wanted to use was 218 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:02,720 I'll Be There, which is a very, very sweet song. 219 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:08,540 But it seems to sound like romantic music to the adult ear. 220 00:17:08,980 --> 00:17:10,579 But he wanted to be your best friend. 221 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:16,000 He wanted to give this boy the best possible memories he could at the end of his life. 222 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,520 I'm leaving the scene. 223 00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:34,850 Gavin has just had chemotherapy and is not feeling well. 224 00:17:35,650 --> 00:17:36,850 It just touches your heart. 225 00:17:38,110 --> 00:17:41,330 To me, he represents a white light that we see before we die. 226 00:17:41,450 --> 00:17:42,970 He is that light, that hope. 227 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:44,730 Don't be afraid, come. 228 00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:46,170 It's like an angel. 229 00:17:56,290 --> 00:18:01,730 I walked into Gavin's hospital room and there was a giant gift basket 230 00:18:02,350 --> 00:18:04,550 full of things like PlayStations. 231 00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:10,190 And I said, who gave you this? 232 00:18:11,290 --> 00:18:13,070 And Gavin said, Michael. 233 00:18:14,530 --> 00:18:19,890 It was the first time I heard about Michael Jackson's involvement in Gavin's life. 234 00:18:22,970 --> 00:18:29,910 I was teaching stand-up comedy at the Laugh Factory to kids from tough neighborhoods. 235 00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:34,470 And Gavin was naturally funny. 236 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:41,880 The Arvizos lived in East Los Angeles in a one-bedroom apartment. 237 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:49,770 There were mattresses on the floor and sheets sharing where the parents slept. 238 00:18:49,770 --> 00:18:51,090 and where the children slept. 239 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:55,500 Janet Arvizo had three children. 240 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,500 She was an effervescent and outgoing person who wanted to give her children opportunities, 241 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,060 even if they didn't have a lot of money. 242 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,180 Gavin was a very loving child and his father was abusive. 243 00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:10,900 So he craved attention. 244 00:19:12,340 --> 00:19:16,380 We had comedians who often work at the Laugh Factory helping out as mentors. 245 00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:20,500 I saw so many people going out of their way to help Gavin and this family. 246 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,120 And then he was introduced to Michael Jackson because they thought he would be happy with it. 247 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:38,270 Gavin was talking to me about how much fun he was having at Neverland and how I should go with them. 248 00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:47,360 Janet told me that Michael and Gavin were playing a lot of pranks, 249 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:51,300 lots of getting people together, lots of fun wrestling. 250 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,760 And I would say, where is everyone sleeping? 251 00:19:58,020 --> 00:20:00,280 She said, oh, we're sleeping in the cabins. 252 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,770 I never told her, I worry. 253 00:20:06,970 --> 00:20:14,450 But my opinion was that Michael Jackson was probably sexually attracted to children. 254 00:20:19,060 --> 00:20:23,120 I knew about Jordan Chandler's accusations. 255 00:20:24,220 --> 00:20:27,220 So this was 10 years before Gavin. 256 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:31,040 Michael Jackson is at the center of a criminal investigation. 257 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Pop star Michael Jackson is facing child abuse allegations. 258 00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:38,040 He knew how to manipulate his world. 259 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,540 I'm not guilty of these allegations, but if I'm guilty of anything, 260 00:20:44,140 --> 00:20:49,820 It's giving everything I have, everything I have to give to help children around the world. 261 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:56,060 Jackson settled the case out of court and paid his accuser around $20 million. 262 00:20:56,620 --> 00:21:00,360 There is a widespread feeling that he still has something to hide. 263 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:04,360 Michael Jackson built an amusement park in the middle of nowhere. 264 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:12,260 I don't think this is the behavior of someone who isn't sexually attracted to children. 265 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:17,720 But we don't know the truth because we're not in the room. 266 00:21:18,380 --> 00:21:20,820 Therefore, all we can do is formulate an opinion. 267 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:29,700 And I wasn't worried about Gavin being targeted because he had cancer. 268 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:30,560 He was dying. 269 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:39,680 I thought, why not let him go, pet the giraffe, just enjoy it. 270 00:21:44,860 --> 00:21:46,880 I took Gavin to Neverland. 271 00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:49,940 He will be able to climb trees at age 10. 272 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:55,580 We look up and up, at the leaves and the branches, and you hear the water below. 273 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,860 Everyone should have this experience and never feel like I'm too old to climb a tree. 274 00:22:04,830 --> 00:22:06,310 Your love for him was incredible. 275 00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:07,710 It's special. 276 00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:16,520 Michael and Gavin have obviously bonded through Gavin's illness 277 00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:23,400 and his family had an obvious and reasonable reason to really adore Michael. 278 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,460 My name is Star and I'm really sad about my brother being sick and everything. 279 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,780 All they know about cancer is aggressive and all that. 280 00:22:38,420 --> 00:22:39,220 And that. 281 00:22:40,340 --> 00:22:43,560 The Arvizos' youngest child was named Star. 282 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:48,320 And when you met Star, he only talked about his future in comedy and TV. 283 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,920 Star just wanted to be a famous kid. 284 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,000 Star wanted to be a TV presenter. 285 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:56,720 Star wanted a lot from Los Angeles and the world of fame. 286 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:05,440 Obviously, if you are placed in Michael Jackson's world and have access to cameras and 287 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,800 Neverland Ranch, you've just hit the big time. 288 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,360 Goodnight. 289 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,660 Welcome to the Neverland Channel. 290 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:12,900 My name is Star. 291 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,440 Here we are live from Neverland Park. 292 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,800 As you can see, the children are excited and full of popcorn. 293 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,720 Michael paid a large production team to make a television pilot. 294 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:27,180 You are watching the Neverland channel. 295 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:32,820 All kids, all fun, 24 hours around the world. 296 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:35,540 And were the exploits around Neverland Ranch, 297 00:23:36,020 --> 00:23:38,720 meet the elephants, feed the giraffes, get on the train. 298 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,860 Look, Michael has so many grassy fields. 299 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,380 I love being here. 300 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:45,120 Kind of like Nickelodeon in Neverland. 301 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:49,520 Wow, look at all the types of tours there. 302 00:23:51,540 --> 00:23:53,020 Gavin participated a little. 303 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:56,040 But Star was the host. 304 00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:01,820 As you can see, I'm here with the elephants and their trainers. 305 00:24:03,060 --> 00:24:04,240 Can I ask you? 306 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:09,460 Obviously it was out of the goodness of Michael's heart to make this child a star. 307 00:24:09,460 --> 00:24:13,400 feel good about something or do something for the child. 308 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,940 There it is. 309 00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:18,980 It is unique to Neverland's prehistoric animals. 310 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,420 And there you have it, exclusive to elephants. 311 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,360 And that's a wrap. 312 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,220 On the surface, Neverland seems like a wonderful experience for children. 313 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,580 They felt like the most special boys in the world. 314 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,740 They wanted more of this. 315 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:40,700 Here I am with my good friend, Gavin. 316 00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:45,040 But Michael Jackson was very good at seducing these children. 317 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,080 He introduced himself to the world. 318 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:49,560 I am Peter Pan. 319 00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:58,960 And the spin control he never had as a child was to disarm us. 320 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,540 Well, my favorite program is video. 321 00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:02,940 But it was a facade. 322 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,300 Because I want to be the greatest dancer in the world. 323 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:12,860 Gavin was a fierce boy. 324 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,780 But he suffered. 325 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:19,340 They had to remove a giant tumor from his abdomen. 326 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:21,500 They also removed one of his kidneys. 327 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,320 I said goodbye to him in my prayers every night when I left the hospital. 328 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,760 We thought he was going to die. 329 00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:38,990 I spoke to Gavin again last night. 330 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:41,630 I was crying a lot on the phone. 331 00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:43,450 He said, you called me daddy. 332 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:45,590 I said, can I call you daddy? 333 00:25:45,810 --> 00:25:46,190 Of course. 334 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:52,330 Michael helped organize blood transfusions. 335 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:54,330 He helped organize certain cancer care. 336 00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:58,770 And who knows why or how. 337 00:25:59,450 --> 00:26:03,790 But somehow Gavin Arvizo survived a terminal form of cancer. 338 00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:12,130 My heart just opened. 339 00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:16,870 And he would actually recover. 340 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:19,390 And I was impressed by that. 341 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,520 We went to buy Christmas presents. 342 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,660 I remember Gavin's hair had grown back. 343 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,700 I was almost crying. 344 00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:36,560 But when I saw him that Christmas and he was healthy, 345 00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:45,160 It was then that I worried about how he might actually be in danger from Michael Jackson. 346 00:27:00,770 --> 00:27:08,490 After Gavin got better, Janet told me she couldn't talk to Michael Jackson 347 00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:10,950 and they weren't being invited back to Neverland. 348 00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:16,190 So there were all these confusing things going on. 349 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:20,030 But I know what Gavin is like. 350 00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:23,350 And, you know, when he became friends with Michael Jackson, 351 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:25,190 he wanted to be friends with Michael Jackson. 352 00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:26,490 And he wanted to spend time with Michael. 353 00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:36,330 Well, after spending three years with the 20 million dollar reputation, 354 00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:41,590 Michael Jackson wants to shake the world with his first studio album of new music in 10 years. 355 00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:50,310 I'm at the Beverly Hills Hotel meeting Michael Jackson for the first time. 356 00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:56,530 I got a call from a friend at Sony who was complaining 357 00:27:56,530 --> 00:28:00,490 and very worried that Michael Jackson's album wouldn't be released on time. 358 00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:06,790 And that was a problem because it was costing a million dollars, you know, a tiny thing. 359 00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:11,390 My role was to make sure they were able to record. 360 00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:15,730 When you work with rap artists and stuff like that, it's like there are no prostitutes, 361 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:20,430 no blows. We need to do this and we have a due date for the 15th. 362 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:23,850 I'm there to talk business. 363 00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:29,050 But then there was a mysterious man who appeared with a briefcase 364 00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:32,750 filled only with pharmaceuticals. 365 00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:38,330 There were a lot of pills and drugs. Demerol was a big problem. 366 00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:44,320 And then we went around the corner and went to a pharmacy and bought more medicine. 367 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,960 I'm like, what the hell? What is this genius? What are you talking about? He's on drugs. 368 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:57,140 In the studio, I realized very quickly that we're not focused on what we should be focused on. 369 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,700 He only wakes up at three in the afternoon and then you sit there waiting 370 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,980 for hours and hours and hours. And then he gets up and I don't feel like it. 371 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:15,240 He wasn't even there half the time. I thought, why doesn't anyone say anything? 372 00:29:17,020 --> 00:29:22,080 He was surrounded by yes, people. And if you didn't say yes, you would be taken into a corner. 373 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,140 Miguel! 374 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:31,580 My biggest concern was the fact that he was dizzy and out of it all the time. 375 00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:35,780 The fact that he called me from Neverland here in this house and told me: 376 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:39,580 Shmuley, I love you. I miss you. 377 00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:44,680 And I would say to Michael, you know this is going to kill you. 378 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,840 Shmuley, he's a doctor. And that. I said, Miguel, 379 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,080 You know, you're too smart to convince yourself of that. There's nothing medical about it. 380 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,980 I was trying to save him from dying.