1 00:00:00,217 --> 00:00:02,844 Who's that? Who is that? 2 00:00:02,870 --> 00:00:05,072 Just a patient. Road traffic accident. 3 00:00:05,376 --> 00:00:07,301 We're only holding two cards, Stella. 4 00:00:07,421 --> 00:00:11,168 One, we have him two, we have her and she's alive, 5 00:00:11,176 --> 00:00:13,519 the rest is a disaster. 6 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:16,279 - Do you have a friend called Daisy? - Why? 7 00:00:16,279 --> 00:00:18,112 There's something about her online, 8 00:00:18,319 --> 00:00:20,079 how she met Daddy one time. 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,879 Am I being interviewed under caution? 10 00:00:21,999 --> 00:00:24,839 - Yes, you are. - I knew that Rose was in that boot 11 00:00:24,959 --> 00:00:26,458 and I needed to get to her. 12 00:00:26,493 --> 00:00:28,511 And what about Mr Spector's life? 13 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:30,999 Did you not have a duty to protect that? 14 00:00:33,158 --> 00:00:34,711 I need some help in here! 15 00:00:34,964 --> 00:00:36,123 Rose, what are you doing? 16 00:00:36,127 --> 00:00:37,503 - I want to go home. - You can't. 17 00:00:37,534 --> 00:00:38,817 I want to go home! 18 00:00:38,892 --> 00:00:40,424 A man has come forward 19 00:00:40,442 --> 00:00:42,947 having seen Spector's photograph on the news. 20 00:00:42,997 --> 00:00:44,895 He says Spector looks like a man who rents 21 00:00:44,911 --> 00:00:46,926 a lock-up from him in East Belfast, 22 00:00:47,220 --> 00:00:49,079 under the name Baldwin. 23 00:00:49,199 --> 00:00:52,120 We've just landed a not uninteresting little case. 24 00:00:52,287 --> 00:00:53,691 The Belfast Strangler. 25 00:00:53,811 --> 00:00:54,862 You stay away from him! 26 00:00:54,896 --> 00:00:56,738 I haven't been near him! You need to get a grip! 27 00:00:56,749 --> 00:00:58,597 You're obsessed, it's pathetic! 28 00:00:58,963 --> 00:01:01,092 Who's pathetic now?! 29 00:01:01,125 --> 00:01:02,324 Ma'am. 30 00:01:03,933 --> 00:01:05,126 Hello, Daddy. 31 00:01:05,187 --> 00:01:06,668 It's me, Olivia. 32 00:01:06,896 --> 00:01:08,161 Why are you so big? 33 00:01:08,561 --> 00:01:11,557 And you, you look different, older. 34 00:01:11,882 --> 00:01:13,402 What's happening to me? 35 00:01:14,876 --> 00:01:16,152 More victims? 36 00:02:21,133 --> 00:02:24,590 _ 37 00:02:24,624 --> 00:02:27,970 _ 38 00:02:28,009 --> 00:02:32,615 _ 39 00:02:44,583 --> 00:02:47,475 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com - 40 00:03:30,347 --> 00:03:31,642 Are you in pain? 41 00:03:48,616 --> 00:03:49,832 Here. 42 00:04:26,484 --> 00:04:28,324 We've seen fragments before, 43 00:04:28,324 --> 00:04:30,792 bits of pages that didn't burn in the car. 44 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:33,061 Enough to confirm that he kept journals, but 45 00:04:33,422 --> 00:04:34,965 nothing like this. 46 00:04:35,644 --> 00:04:38,582 Nothing so extensive, nothing so detailed. 47 00:04:39,249 --> 00:04:42,933 I'd put it to Spector that between 48 00:04:42,956 --> 00:04:45,475 the strangulation of Rose and the 49 00:04:45,542 --> 00:04:47,045 murder of Fiona Gallagher, 50 00:04:47,073 --> 00:04:49,244 that there must have been other attacks. 51 00:04:50,008 --> 00:04:51,779 He said that there were no other attacks, 52 00:04:51,829 --> 00:04:54,084 that Fiona Gallagher was his first murder. 53 00:04:55,164 --> 00:04:57,200 During that gap in time, he 54 00:04:57,572 --> 00:05:01,318 suggested that he always had a "project" to work on. 55 00:05:02,694 --> 00:05:04,484 Are these those "projects"? 56 00:05:05,524 --> 00:05:06,784 A.S. 57 00:05:09,631 --> 00:05:12,044 Might live in the Holylands area, 58 00:05:12,472 --> 00:05:14,342 who might be a journalist... 59 00:05:15,052 --> 00:05:17,583 ... who seems to wake up late every day 60 00:05:17,703 --> 00:05:19,265 and skip breakfast. 61 00:05:20,524 --> 00:05:23,149 Who wears a cream robe after her bath 62 00:05:23,715 --> 00:05:27,250 and sometimes doesn't completely close her bedroom curtains. 63 00:05:29,313 --> 00:05:32,227 Or, R.W... 64 00:05:32,684 --> 00:05:35,162 who cycles to the university most days off, 65 00:05:35,174 --> 00:05:37,021 somewhere in the Lisburn Road. 66 00:05:37,743 --> 00:05:41,199 Always brings her lunch with her and eats in the botanic gardens. 67 00:05:42,182 --> 00:05:44,246 Who has clear, pale skin, 68 00:05:44,551 --> 00:05:45,994 wears close-fitting clothes 69 00:05:46,027 --> 00:05:49,562 and walks with a short stride that Spector likes. 70 00:05:51,854 --> 00:05:56,720 Where on the continuum of his violence do these journals fit? 71 00:05:58,368 --> 00:06:01,020 Are they just fantasies that sustain him, 72 00:06:01,093 --> 00:06:02,696 feed his appetites? 73 00:06:03,407 --> 00:06:05,055 Or are they a record... 74 00:06:07,220 --> 00:06:09,012 ... of nine more murders? 75 00:06:10,644 --> 00:06:12,180 What time of day is it? 76 00:06:12,444 --> 00:06:14,266 Morning, afternoon, night? 77 00:06:15,948 --> 00:06:17,229 Morning. 78 00:06:17,564 --> 00:06:18,761 Where are we? 79 00:06:21,364 --> 00:06:23,123 Belfast General Hospital. 80 00:06:24,564 --> 00:06:26,591 Can you remember the name of your nurse? 81 00:06:31,220 --> 00:06:32,396 Kiera. 82 00:06:34,524 --> 00:06:36,730 Are you married, or do you have a partner? 83 00:06:36,850 --> 00:06:37,964 I'm married. 84 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:41,891 Can you remember any other family members? 85 00:06:44,916 --> 00:06:48,095 Sally Ann has a father, John, 86 00:06:49,105 --> 00:06:51,244 and a mother, Carol. 87 00:06:51,477 --> 00:06:53,524 We call her Cici. 88 00:06:53,524 --> 00:06:54,978 And what about you? 89 00:06:58,274 --> 00:06:59,351 Me? 90 00:06:59,564 --> 00:07:01,054 Do you have any family? 91 00:07:02,564 --> 00:07:03,795 No. 92 00:07:04,106 --> 00:07:05,284 Why is that? 93 00:07:07,268 --> 00:07:08,617 My mother died. 94 00:07:09,544 --> 00:07:11,181 And what about your father? 95 00:07:13,766 --> 00:07:15,642 When I was growing up, he was known as 96 00:07:15,675 --> 00:07:16,974 Peter Baldwin. 97 00:07:18,044 --> 00:07:22,040 I thought that man was my father, 98 00:07:22,611 --> 00:07:24,209 till he left us. 99 00:07:25,447 --> 00:07:27,183 My mother told me that 100 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:29,580 he wasn't my real father, he was... 101 00:07:30,751 --> 00:07:32,183 just a man. 102 00:07:34,636 --> 00:07:36,717 When did you become Paul Spector? 103 00:07:39,124 --> 00:07:40,440 Erm... 104 00:07:40,934 --> 00:07:43,126 just before I met Sally Ann. 105 00:07:44,641 --> 00:07:46,222 And why did you change? 106 00:07:49,225 --> 00:07:50,540 Wanted a... 107 00:07:50,844 --> 00:07:52,243 clean start. 108 00:07:52,676 --> 00:07:54,940 - New life. - Why's that? 109 00:07:56,833 --> 00:07:57,965 Not sure. 110 00:08:00,524 --> 00:08:02,416 Has that new life worked for you? 111 00:08:12,671 --> 00:08:16,366 The sheer volume of garments suggests there were very many 112 00:08:16,394 --> 00:08:18,530 fetish burglaries at that time. 113 00:08:19,084 --> 00:08:20,733 His journals talk of... 114 00:08:21,721 --> 00:08:23,484 ... climbing scaffolding, 115 00:08:23,604 --> 00:08:26,315 finding windows open, doors unlocked, 116 00:08:26,371 --> 00:08:27,919 alarms not set. 117 00:08:29,484 --> 00:08:32,203 I took this photograph to be of a woman. 118 00:08:33,244 --> 00:08:35,033 On closer inspection... 119 00:08:35,882 --> 00:08:37,658 it's clear it's a mannequin. 120 00:08:39,284 --> 00:08:40,915 And these pictures of him. 121 00:08:43,964 --> 00:08:45,249 The bondage, 122 00:08:46,137 --> 00:08:47,980 the auto asphyxiation... 123 00:08:49,739 --> 00:08:51,387 ... introduce a new 124 00:08:51,908 --> 00:08:55,216 element to our understanding of his sexual behaviour. 125 00:08:56,524 --> 00:08:59,257 Has any information returned to you 126 00:08:59,268 --> 00:09:01,787 over the last 12 hours voluntarily? 127 00:09:03,713 --> 00:09:05,017 I don't think so. 128 00:09:07,404 --> 00:09:08,757 Hold this in your hand. 129 00:09:10,364 --> 00:09:11,693 Keep it safe. 130 00:09:12,084 --> 00:09:14,489 Can you give it back to me in 15 minutes' time? 131 00:09:15,033 --> 00:09:16,176 Yes. 132 00:09:17,341 --> 00:09:19,322 Who's the British Prime Minister? 133 00:09:21,259 --> 00:09:22,529 Tony Blair. 134 00:09:24,927 --> 00:09:26,619 Have you heard of Facebook? 135 00:09:28,334 --> 00:09:30,159 - Yes. - What is it? 136 00:09:31,564 --> 00:09:32,856 It's... 137 00:09:33,455 --> 00:09:35,547 a social networking site. 138 00:09:36,396 --> 00:09:38,066 And what about Twitter? 139 00:09:41,884 --> 00:09:43,349 I don't know what that is. 140 00:09:43,469 --> 00:09:46,284 So you don't know what a tweet is, or tweeting? 141 00:09:49,684 --> 00:09:51,491 The sound a bird makes. 142 00:09:54,204 --> 00:09:55,753 What's a hashtag? 143 00:09:59,127 --> 00:10:00,298 No idea. 144 00:10:02,278 --> 00:10:03,649 Presumably, 145 00:10:03,843 --> 00:10:05,941 I'm supposed to know what these things are? 146 00:10:07,528 --> 00:10:08,644 Maybe. 147 00:10:11,767 --> 00:10:13,365 The main thing 148 00:10:13,421 --> 00:10:15,901 is that we identify and find these women. 149 00:10:17,524 --> 00:10:19,142 Use the initials, 150 00:10:19,692 --> 00:10:21,240 look at solved or unsolved 151 00:10:21,262 --> 00:10:24,125 sexually motivated murders, or attempted murders, 152 00:10:24,308 --> 00:10:27,799 particularly strangulations occurring in homes and apartments, 153 00:10:28,770 --> 00:10:30,928 check Missing Persons for 154 00:10:31,366 --> 00:10:33,048 suspected foul play. 155 00:10:35,124 --> 00:10:37,724 We need to know if these women are alive or dead. 156 00:10:41,630 --> 00:10:43,805 I think that's all, unless there's anything else? 157 00:10:44,027 --> 00:10:45,453 We've confirmed the list of 158 00:10:45,464 --> 00:10:47,689 children's homes Spector was in, 159 00:10:47,711 --> 00:10:49,526 following the death of his mother. 160 00:10:49,782 --> 00:10:52,251 We have lists of all his fellow pupils, 161 00:10:52,256 --> 00:10:54,193 including those at Gortnacull. 162 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:56,644 Any news on the Benedetto girl? 163 00:10:56,764 --> 00:10:59,844 Uniforms called at her house this morning, Ma'am. 164 00:10:59,844 --> 00:11:01,345 She didn't come home last night, 165 00:11:01,362 --> 00:11:03,484 her mother has no idea where she is. 166 00:11:03,737 --> 00:11:05,912 A warrant's been issued for her arrest. 167 00:11:08,324 --> 00:11:09,674 Thank you all. 168 00:11:11,724 --> 00:11:14,019 What's the last full day you remember? 169 00:11:17,649 --> 00:11:19,186 It was with Olivia. 170 00:11:20,074 --> 00:11:21,164 Go on. 171 00:11:23,844 --> 00:11:25,051 Erm... 172 00:11:25,884 --> 00:11:27,315 I took her to a playgroup, 173 00:11:27,886 --> 00:11:29,734 a musical playgroup. 174 00:11:31,233 --> 00:11:32,963 She loves dancing. 175 00:11:34,244 --> 00:11:35,521 And, erm... 176 00:11:36,004 --> 00:11:37,481 they all sing songs, 177 00:11:38,219 --> 00:11:39,772 The Wheels On The Bus. 178 00:11:41,194 --> 00:11:43,940 She touches all the right places when 179 00:11:43,963 --> 00:11:46,437 she does Head, Shoulders, Knees And Toes. 180 00:11:49,044 --> 00:11:52,580 Then we went for lunch in the park. 181 00:11:55,084 --> 00:11:58,324 She was pedalling on her tricycle. 182 00:12:00,604 --> 00:12:04,090 There's a pair of swans on the water there, 183 00:12:04,512 --> 00:12:06,124 nine or ten babies. 184 00:12:06,509 --> 00:12:08,007 Ugly ducklings. 185 00:12:10,004 --> 00:12:11,687 She was talking loads. 186 00:12:12,408 --> 00:12:13,829 She's always getting me to 187 00:12:14,345 --> 00:12:16,037 play make believe with her. 188 00:12:16,804 --> 00:12:19,534 It sounds to me like Olivia is about two years old. 189 00:12:19,767 --> 00:12:21,049 Yes. 190 00:12:21,776 --> 00:12:23,252 But she isn't, is she? 191 00:13:59,585 --> 00:14:02,409 Can you describe what the memory loss feels like to you? 192 00:14:09,044 --> 00:14:10,124 Well... 193 00:14:12,284 --> 00:14:14,999 it feels like it's night-time and... 194 00:14:16,764 --> 00:14:18,418 there's a thunderstorm and 195 00:14:19,034 --> 00:14:20,982 I'm standing on a hillside... 196 00:14:22,324 --> 00:14:23,657 and I've been asked to 197 00:14:24,134 --> 00:14:26,775 draw a map of the valley below. 198 00:14:29,044 --> 00:14:30,604 There's lightning flashes. 199 00:14:31,581 --> 00:14:33,120 They light up the land, 200 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,116 but only for a few seconds, 201 00:14:35,364 --> 00:14:37,204 not long enough to draw the map. 202 00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:48,564 Can you recall who you are? 203 00:14:48,684 --> 00:14:49,993 In the sense of what 204 00:14:50,005 --> 00:14:51,875 you were like and what you're like now? 205 00:14:52,291 --> 00:14:54,467 Your trait characteristics? 206 00:14:56,724 --> 00:14:58,318 Erm... 207 00:15:00,388 --> 00:15:02,036 I'm told I have a son. 208 00:15:05,084 --> 00:15:06,426 I've no reason to 209 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:08,812 think that people are lying to me, but... 210 00:15:09,804 --> 00:15:11,420 ... I don't feel it. 211 00:15:13,964 --> 00:15:16,432 I'm told I'm in trouble with the police. 212 00:15:17,964 --> 00:15:19,604 I don't know what I've done. 213 00:15:23,444 --> 00:15:26,288 I think that I might be different 214 00:15:26,599 --> 00:15:29,262 but I don't know why. 215 00:15:31,455 --> 00:15:32,687 I feel like 216 00:15:33,314 --> 00:15:34,984 I'm an all-right person? 217 00:16:01,898 --> 00:16:03,585 It will all come back to me, won't it? 218 00:16:05,578 --> 00:16:08,264 Your anterograde memory is working well. 219 00:16:10,838 --> 00:16:12,709 Anything else you've forgotten, 220 00:16:12,909 --> 00:16:14,157 you can relearn. 221 00:16:17,703 --> 00:16:19,451 But the ownership has gone. 222 00:17:01,037 --> 00:17:02,796 Gibson? 223 00:17:02,835 --> 00:17:06,468 Patrick Spencer, ICU Consultant, Belfast General Hospital. 224 00:17:07,044 --> 00:17:08,970 Thank you for calling me back, Doctor. 225 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:11,446 - I understand he's conscious? - He is. 226 00:17:11,828 --> 00:17:13,652 His physiology is normalising. 227 00:17:14,048 --> 00:17:16,212 He's cardiovascularly stable... 228 00:17:16,332 --> 00:17:17,863 and has made good progress given the 229 00:17:17,905 --> 00:17:20,943 massive insult and blood loss from the bullet wounds... 230 00:17:21,428 --> 00:17:22,844 But? 231 00:17:23,141 --> 00:17:25,576 But there is an issue. 232 00:17:25,888 --> 00:17:27,553 Although his short-term memory 233 00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:29,780 seems to be functioning adequately... 234 00:17:30,524 --> 00:17:32,478 ... it seems Mr Spector has suffered 235 00:17:32,513 --> 00:17:35,044 quite extensive long-term memory loss. 236 00:17:44,868 --> 00:17:46,456 OK. 237 00:17:48,565 --> 00:17:50,424 I'm just going to move your legs 238 00:17:50,438 --> 00:17:53,628 to the edge of the bed, here. OK... 239 00:17:53,676 --> 00:17:55,480 I'm now going to take your arm now. 240 00:17:58,151 --> 00:17:59,684 OK, here we go... 241 00:18:05,815 --> 00:18:06,967 Keep going. 242 00:18:07,452 --> 00:18:09,297 Over here... 243 00:18:10,684 --> 00:18:11,974 Here. 244 00:18:16,816 --> 00:18:19,653 OK, that's good. Well done. 245 00:18:21,477 --> 00:18:23,953 Apparently, he's docile, 246 00:18:24,073 --> 00:18:27,426 well oriented in time and space and has... 247 00:18:27,613 --> 00:18:30,794 established good relations with his doctors and nurses. 248 00:18:30,794 --> 00:18:32,420 (For pity's sake!) 249 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,701 It seems he can acquire new information 250 00:18:35,715 --> 00:18:38,616 and keep track of his medical procedures, but that he has 251 00:18:38,871 --> 00:18:41,291 almost no recollection of the events 252 00:18:41,307 --> 00:18:43,977 that have taken place over the last six years or so. 253 00:18:44,038 --> 00:18:46,170 Are we supposed to be taking this seriously? 254 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:49,114 I think we have to. 255 00:18:50,054 --> 00:18:51,674 Are they linking this... 256 00:18:52,335 --> 00:18:54,859 ... this impairment directly to the shooting? 257 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:58,914 The nature of the amnesia has not been established yet. 258 00:19:00,003 --> 00:19:02,899 It... It might be organic, an 259 00:19:02,927 --> 00:19:05,019 injury to the brain because of blood loss 260 00:19:05,035 --> 00:19:07,155 or a resultant lack of oxygen, 261 00:19:07,554 --> 00:19:09,874 or it could be psychogenic, 262 00:19:10,223 --> 00:19:12,371 a result, perhaps, of trauma. 263 00:19:13,502 --> 00:19:16,632 But until they do an MRI scan, they can't really say. 264 00:19:17,836 --> 00:19:19,989 So, perform the MRI scan. 265 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:22,947 Spector has retained metal fragments 266 00:19:22,952 --> 00:19:24,484 from the bullet in his body. 267 00:19:25,721 --> 00:19:27,480 If they contain iron, 268 00:19:27,486 --> 00:19:29,078 the fragments can be heated up 269 00:19:29,089 --> 00:19:31,495 and the magnet can drag them through the body and 270 00:19:31,498 --> 00:19:33,490 cause more organ damage. 271 00:19:33,540 --> 00:19:35,931 Are they conducting psychological tests yet? 272 00:19:36,148 --> 00:19:37,518 Yes, they are. 273 00:19:37,714 --> 00:19:39,616 The Consultant Neuropsychologist 274 00:19:39,633 --> 00:19:41,758 - is an Alison Walden. - But Jim's right. 275 00:19:41,947 --> 00:19:45,020 He must be feigning, surely? Or at the very least, 276 00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:47,761 - exaggerating his symptoms? - To what end? 277 00:19:48,871 --> 00:19:50,375 The law does not concern itself 278 00:19:50,392 --> 00:19:52,367 with the present state of mind of the criminal defendant, 279 00:19:52,406 --> 00:19:54,120 only with the state of mind 280 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:55,852 at the time the crime was committed. 281 00:19:55,885 --> 00:19:58,443 And Spector's was clearly conveyed 282 00:19:58,471 --> 00:20:00,330 in his confession. He clearly understood 283 00:20:00,341 --> 00:20:01,972 the difference between right 284 00:20:02,194 --> 00:20:04,435 and wrong at the time of the crimes, 285 00:20:04,468 --> 00:20:06,605 and, therefore, he will be held accountable. 286 00:20:07,254 --> 00:20:09,954 But it is founded on memory-based evidence. 287 00:20:11,194 --> 00:20:13,730 And he's saying that he can't remember any of the crimes. 288 00:20:13,742 --> 00:20:16,355 It poses all sorts of problems for the courts. 289 00:20:16,866 --> 00:20:19,834 It's almost like he's claiming that he's innocent. 290 00:20:20,234 --> 00:20:22,624 It seems there's more than usual pressure 291 00:20:22,641 --> 00:20:24,954 to build the evidential case against him. 292 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:29,372 That's precisely what we're doing, sir. 293 00:20:31,834 --> 00:20:34,217 What will happen to him if the defence does ask 294 00:20:34,228 --> 00:20:35,715 for a mental health assessment? 295 00:20:35,765 --> 00:20:39,711 His potential dangerousness suggests a forensic unit 296 00:20:39,933 --> 00:20:41,853 rather than a hospital ward. 297 00:20:41,914 --> 00:20:43,268 And where would that be? 298 00:20:43,388 --> 00:20:45,726 The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast. 299 00:20:45,846 --> 00:20:47,202 Who will assess him? 300 00:20:47,695 --> 00:20:49,349 August Larson. 301 00:20:49,565 --> 00:20:52,390 He's the Consultant Forensic Psychiatrist. 302 00:20:52,424 --> 00:20:53,955 Very experienced, 303 00:20:54,133 --> 00:20:56,691 very used to giving expert testimony in court. 304 00:20:58,455 --> 00:21:00,558 The sooner we get him out of the hands of the medics, 305 00:21:00,586 --> 00:21:02,927 and back into the justice system, the better. 306 00:21:19,276 --> 00:21:20,613 Thanks, Alison. 307 00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,340 Kiera Sheridan. Mr Spector's dedicated nurse. 308 00:21:37,373 --> 00:21:39,055 She provides him with one-to-one care. 309 00:21:39,094 --> 00:21:40,448 She will limit your visit 310 00:21:40,503 --> 00:21:42,823 - if patient status warrants it. - Thank you. 311 00:21:42,943 --> 00:21:44,238 She'll show you in. 312 00:21:51,954 --> 00:21:53,556 What about the wife? 313 00:21:54,849 --> 00:21:56,514 I'm worried about her. 314 00:21:57,606 --> 00:21:59,160 It's obviously been a 315 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,691 devastating blow to her 316 00:22:00,697 --> 00:22:02,969 as it would be to anyone who seems to have had 317 00:22:03,089 --> 00:22:04,909 no real suspicions. 318 00:22:05,425 --> 00:22:07,539 But there's no possibility of her 319 00:22:07,795 --> 00:22:09,404 repeating the offence. 320 00:22:10,213 --> 00:22:11,850 She's admitted her guilt, 321 00:22:11,861 --> 00:22:13,634 she's corrected the facts. 322 00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:14,986 She might even end up being 323 00:22:15,003 --> 00:22:16,512 a witness for the prosecution. 324 00:22:18,271 --> 00:22:20,147 I think we should drop the charges. 325 00:22:20,267 --> 00:22:21,556 If she'd told the truth, 326 00:22:21,584 --> 00:22:24,081 in the first place, about Spector's whereabouts, 327 00:22:24,425 --> 00:22:26,689 then we could have investigated him more closely 328 00:22:27,205 --> 00:22:29,292 and, perhaps, Rose Stagg would not have been put 329 00:22:29,292 --> 00:22:31,012 through the ordeal that she has. 330 00:22:33,232 --> 00:22:34,758 I just feel 331 00:22:35,174 --> 00:22:37,166 that pursuing her through the courts 332 00:22:37,183 --> 00:22:38,874 will likely have a very bad effect 333 00:22:38,897 --> 00:22:40,828 on her mental and physical health. 334 00:22:42,482 --> 00:22:44,158 Is prosecution 335 00:22:44,485 --> 00:22:46,616 really in the public interest? 336 00:22:46,816 --> 00:22:49,074 As Director of Public Prosecutions, 337 00:22:49,086 --> 00:22:50,795 I have to say, I think it is. 338 00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:53,354 How things will unfold with Spector is unclear. 339 00:22:53,354 --> 00:22:56,211 Prosecuting his wife sends a clear signal: 340 00:22:57,116 --> 00:22:58,426 we mean business 341 00:22:58,546 --> 00:23:01,129 and no-one involved will be getting off lightly. 342 00:23:04,297 --> 00:23:06,462 Sally Ann Spector miscarried 343 00:23:06,473 --> 00:23:07,882 in police custody. 344 00:23:09,652 --> 00:23:12,399 That's a devastating thing to happen to any woman, 345 00:23:13,148 --> 00:23:14,347 but particularly her. 346 00:23:14,358 --> 00:23:16,538 Her identity is wrapped up 347 00:23:16,555 --> 00:23:18,764 in her children and those that she cares for. 348 00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:21,521 She's perceived as an angel 349 00:23:21,543 --> 00:23:23,019 by the parents of the babies 350 00:23:23,019 --> 00:23:24,989 she looks after in the NICU. 351 00:23:25,461 --> 00:23:27,098 Now, it appears as if 352 00:23:27,281 --> 00:23:29,544 she's lost everything, her marriage, her 353 00:23:30,193 --> 00:23:32,474 work, her unborn child. 354 00:23:34,654 --> 00:23:37,417 She's paid a very high price for her naivety. 355 00:23:37,473 --> 00:23:39,314 I can't believe that, of all people, 356 00:23:39,332 --> 00:23:42,928 you are suggesting that we treat Sally Ann paternalistically. 357 00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:46,985 I say we move ahead with the charges 358 00:23:47,285 --> 00:23:49,788 and we can use them as leverage against Spector. 359 00:23:49,849 --> 00:23:51,686 I do think we need to bear in mind 360 00:23:51,691 --> 00:23:54,077 the seriousness of the offence. 361 00:23:57,707 --> 00:23:59,466 We accepted instructions 362 00:23:59,516 --> 00:24:00,952 on your behalf from your wife 363 00:24:00,954 --> 00:24:02,401 when you were unconscious. 364 00:24:02,467 --> 00:24:05,619 Today is an opportunity for you to say if you are 365 00:24:05,739 --> 00:24:07,891 happy for us to be representing you. 366 00:24:08,984 --> 00:24:10,682 I believe that the nature 367 00:24:10,754 --> 00:24:13,051 of your injuries has been explained to you? 368 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,022 Yes. 369 00:24:15,554 --> 00:24:17,702 And you understand that you were in police custody 370 00:24:17,708 --> 00:24:18,940 when you were shot? 371 00:24:19,522 --> 00:24:21,794 Yes, but I still don't know why. 372 00:24:21,814 --> 00:24:23,314 No-one will tell me. 373 00:24:25,383 --> 00:24:27,502 An individual called James Tyler 374 00:24:27,508 --> 00:24:28,734 was responsible. 375 00:24:36,464 --> 00:24:37,890 I don't know who that is. 376 00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:40,587 Why did he shoot me? 377 00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:42,646 I need to get more information from the police 378 00:24:42,651 --> 00:24:44,050 before I can explain that. 379 00:24:44,955 --> 00:24:47,274 The more pressing issue, Mr Spector, 380 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:49,727 is that the police have charged you 381 00:24:49,738 --> 00:24:52,135 with a number of very serious crimes. I mean, 382 00:24:52,790 --> 00:24:55,114 the most serious crimes on the Statute Book. 383 00:24:56,469 --> 00:24:57,762 What crimes? 384 00:24:57,882 --> 00:24:59,194 A series of murders. 385 00:25:05,148 --> 00:25:06,596 What sort of murders? 386 00:25:07,407 --> 00:25:09,016 With your permission, 387 00:25:09,136 --> 00:25:11,430 let me take you through the police charge sheet. 388 00:25:13,561 --> 00:25:15,937 All the, er... alleged crimes 389 00:25:15,992 --> 00:25:17,524 took place in Belfast. 390 00:25:19,305 --> 00:25:22,801 The police claim that on the 10th day of December, 2011, 391 00:25:22,834 --> 00:25:25,314 you murdered University lecturer Fiona Gallagher 392 00:25:25,342 --> 00:25:27,867 in her home before fleeing the scene. 393 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,358 Death by strangulation. 394 00:25:31,718 --> 00:25:36,024 That on the 15th of March, 2012, 395 00:25:36,551 --> 00:25:40,003 you murdered architect Alice Monroe in her home, 396 00:25:40,194 --> 00:25:41,835 strangling her with a ligature. 397 00:25:43,228 --> 00:25:46,297 They allege that you then washed and dried her body, 398 00:25:46,641 --> 00:25:48,516 before putting her back to bed 399 00:25:48,738 --> 00:25:50,314 and posing her body. 400 00:25:50,874 --> 00:25:54,786 That on the 16th of April, 2012, 401 00:25:55,030 --> 00:25:58,266 you murdered solicitor Sarah Kay in her home, 402 00:25:58,305 --> 00:26:00,074 strangling her with a ligature. 403 00:26:01,845 --> 00:26:04,792 They allege that you washed 404 00:26:04,842 --> 00:26:06,914 and dried Sarah's body, 405 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,308 washed and dried her bedclothes... 406 00:26:10,434 --> 00:26:13,136 ... painted her finger nails red, 407 00:26:13,175 --> 00:26:15,272 before posing her in her bed 408 00:26:15,392 --> 00:26:16,893 and taking photographs. 409 00:26:18,074 --> 00:26:21,049 Sarah Kay was pregnant at the time of her death. 410 00:26:24,074 --> 00:26:25,700 That four days later, 411 00:26:25,766 --> 00:26:28,380 on the 20th of April, 2012... 412 00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:32,292 ... you attacked and strangled 413 00:26:32,364 --> 00:26:35,194 accountant Annie Brawley in her home. 414 00:26:37,834 --> 00:26:40,034 They claim that you... 415 00:26:40,154 --> 00:26:42,829 also murdered her brother Joseph Brawley 416 00:26:43,154 --> 00:26:45,032 when he tried to defend his sister, 417 00:26:45,314 --> 00:26:46,935 stabbing him three times 418 00:26:46,962 --> 00:26:49,387 with some decorating shears. 419 00:26:49,648 --> 00:26:51,357 You, then, fled the scene. 420 00:26:51,895 --> 00:26:54,442 Annie Brawley survived the attack. 421 00:26:59,037 --> 00:27:01,051 I don't recognise any of these people. 422 00:27:01,684 --> 00:27:03,671 I've never seen these people before. 423 00:27:04,504 --> 00:27:05,954 There's more. 424 00:27:07,677 --> 00:27:10,314 They allege that on May the 3rd, 425 00:27:10,619 --> 00:27:13,771 you abducted Rose Stagg from her home, 426 00:27:14,864 --> 00:27:17,022 imprisoned her unlawfully 427 00:27:17,142 --> 00:27:19,203 and detained her against her will. 428 00:27:25,645 --> 00:27:26,914 I know her. 429 00:27:29,674 --> 00:27:32,789 - Rose what, who did you say? - Stagg. 430 00:27:33,588 --> 00:27:36,568 Perhaps you know Mrs Stagg better as Rose McGill? 431 00:27:39,448 --> 00:27:40,713 Yes. 432 00:27:43,154 --> 00:27:45,085 But I haven't seen her 433 00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:47,150 in the last four years or so. 434 00:27:48,221 --> 00:27:50,402 When did you last see her, do you think? 435 00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:54,669 Early summer. 436 00:27:55,407 --> 00:27:56,794 2002. 437 00:27:58,376 --> 00:28:01,154 2002 is ten years ago, not four. 438 00:28:01,622 --> 00:28:04,286 Have you been listening to the charges, Mr Spector? 439 00:28:04,634 --> 00:28:06,074 It's May 2012. 440 00:28:10,074 --> 00:28:11,074 I'm sorry. 441 00:28:12,394 --> 00:28:13,597 I'm sorry. 442 00:28:17,376 --> 00:28:18,914 What happened to Rose? 443 00:28:20,274 --> 00:28:21,514 She's alive. 444 00:28:23,175 --> 00:28:25,240 The police say you led them to her. 445 00:28:26,072 --> 00:28:28,103 She was found in the boot of her own car. 446 00:28:28,530 --> 00:28:30,983 The police suggest you left her trapped. 447 00:28:31,316 --> 00:28:32,853 Left her to die. 448 00:28:38,514 --> 00:28:40,274 Why would I do that to Rose? 449 00:29:05,314 --> 00:29:07,464 The police say they have a confession. 450 00:29:07,994 --> 00:29:10,094 That you made a number of admissions. 451 00:29:12,242 --> 00:29:13,554 I've, um... 452 00:29:13,554 --> 00:29:14,988 no memory of that. 453 00:29:15,434 --> 00:29:17,685 We think it makes sense for your first appearance in court 454 00:29:17,701 --> 00:29:18,756 to be as soon as possible 455 00:29:18,795 --> 00:29:21,608 because it will initiate the evidential disclosure process. 456 00:29:21,914 --> 00:29:23,455 Will you be strong enough? 457 00:29:25,420 --> 00:29:27,051 Once we are in receipt of those documents, 458 00:29:27,062 --> 00:29:28,994 we will look at the detail of that confession 459 00:29:29,114 --> 00:29:31,739 and take you through every bit of evidence against you, 460 00:29:31,859 --> 00:29:33,082 every witness statement, 461 00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:35,074 page by page, line by line. 462 00:29:36,328 --> 00:29:37,588 Is that all clear? 463 00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:42,110 Yes. 464 00:29:42,837 --> 00:29:44,074 Any questions? 465 00:29:50,451 --> 00:29:52,674 I just need some time for it all to sink in. 466 00:29:53,031 --> 00:29:54,235 Of course. 467 00:29:57,274 --> 00:29:59,074 Do you know who that is? 468 00:30:04,184 --> 00:30:05,274 No. 469 00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:07,708 Should I? 470 00:30:07,947 --> 00:30:10,782 If any memories relevant to the case return to you, 471 00:30:10,854 --> 00:30:12,885 please contact Louise here. 472 00:30:15,155 --> 00:30:17,253 We're here to help you, Mr Spector. 473 00:30:18,679 --> 00:30:20,660 We will guide you through this. 474 00:30:21,354 --> 00:30:22,608 Thank you. 475 00:31:12,754 --> 00:31:15,225 Sorry, ma'am. Rose Stagg is here to see you. 476 00:31:17,872 --> 00:31:19,731 Set up an interview room, Dani. 477 00:31:20,208 --> 00:31:21,651 I'd like you to sit in. 478 00:31:22,428 --> 00:31:23,714 Of course. 479 00:31:30,074 --> 00:31:32,384 I woke to find him in bed with me. 480 00:31:37,434 --> 00:31:39,081 He took me downstairs, 481 00:31:39,386 --> 00:31:41,090 his hand over my mouth, 482 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,271 took me into the kitchen. 483 00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:47,272 Go on. 484 00:31:49,087 --> 00:31:50,979 He used my name. 485 00:31:52,073 --> 00:31:53,674 He called me Rose. 486 00:31:59,634 --> 00:32:02,211 I thought, perhaps, I recognised the voice. 487 00:32:05,646 --> 00:32:08,834 He said he didn't want to hurt me or my lovely family... 488 00:32:10,198 --> 00:32:12,162 ... but that he would if I cried out. 489 00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,700 And then he released me. 490 00:32:21,213 --> 00:32:24,154 And when I turned round, I recognised him. 491 00:32:27,983 --> 00:32:29,994 What did you think in that moment? 492 00:32:35,575 --> 00:32:36,994 Just for a moment... 493 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,681 ... I thought that maybe it would be all right. 494 00:32:41,924 --> 00:32:43,883 That maybe it was a joke, 495 00:32:44,632 --> 00:32:45,958 a game. 496 00:33:00,259 --> 00:33:01,668 What did you say? 497 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:06,563 I just said, "Peter?" 498 00:33:14,193 --> 00:33:15,359 He... 499 00:33:15,554 --> 00:33:17,190 made me dress from clothes 500 00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,110 that were hanging in the utility room. 501 00:33:20,994 --> 00:33:22,473 He made me write a note. 502 00:33:22,534 --> 00:33:24,249 He told me what to put. 503 00:33:27,257 --> 00:33:29,314 The house seemed so silent. 504 00:33:31,714 --> 00:33:34,088 The sound of the pen on the paper 505 00:33:34,099 --> 00:33:36,313 seemed really loud in my head. 506 00:33:37,334 --> 00:33:38,794 Like a whooshing. 507 00:33:41,412 --> 00:33:44,248 All I could think about was getting him out of there, 508 00:33:44,368 --> 00:33:46,114 away from Nancy. 509 00:33:48,275 --> 00:33:49,914 Did you resist him at all? 510 00:33:52,914 --> 00:33:54,754 Er... I was numb. 511 00:33:57,383 --> 00:33:59,114 I didn't really struggle 512 00:33:59,153 --> 00:34:02,194 until he was walking me towards that awful building. 513 00:34:06,122 --> 00:34:08,475 I thought, "If he takes me in there... 514 00:34:10,373 --> 00:34:12,215 ... I'm gonna die. 515 00:34:15,128 --> 00:34:17,114 I'm going to be the next victim." 516 00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:21,494 That's when I tried to run. 517 00:34:24,634 --> 00:34:26,366 But he was too strong. 518 00:34:34,963 --> 00:34:36,644 He made tapes of you. 519 00:34:38,348 --> 00:34:41,466 We found edited versions of those tapes on his phone. 520 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:45,895 You've seen them? 521 00:34:53,412 --> 00:34:55,681 He tied me to a chair. 522 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,394 It was fixed to the ground. 523 00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:01,769 And he sat behind the camera, 524 00:35:01,775 --> 00:35:03,362 so that when I looked at him, 525 00:35:03,833 --> 00:35:06,234 I was looking directly into the lens. 526 00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:10,531 He hardly spoke, he... 527 00:35:11,994 --> 00:35:13,544 He just stared at me. 528 00:35:19,465 --> 00:35:22,434 I tried everything I could to get through to him. 529 00:35:23,683 --> 00:35:26,873 I begged him, I flattered him, 530 00:35:26,993 --> 00:35:29,764 I insulted him. I tried to provoke him, even. 531 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,074 He didn't respond. 532 00:35:36,118 --> 00:35:37,328 His eyes were open, 533 00:35:37,334 --> 00:35:39,270 but it was like he was in a trance. 534 00:35:40,985 --> 00:35:42,910 Did he sexually assault you? 535 00:35:45,474 --> 00:35:46,474 No. 536 00:35:47,455 --> 00:35:48,854 I don't think so. 537 00:35:51,184 --> 00:35:53,559 Did he perform sex acts on himself? 538 00:35:54,181 --> 00:35:55,834 Did he masturbate in front of you? 539 00:35:56,712 --> 00:35:58,693 No. Just the filming. 540 00:36:05,059 --> 00:36:06,752 Are those healing all right? 541 00:36:10,127 --> 00:36:12,034 I'm told I did it to myself. 542 00:36:14,394 --> 00:36:16,213 I have no memory of that. 543 00:36:17,034 --> 00:36:20,325 We found the broken lens from a pair of sunglasses 544 00:36:20,354 --> 00:36:21,945 in the boot of your car. 545 00:36:22,284 --> 00:36:23,616 Your blood was on them. 546 00:36:23,638 --> 00:36:25,137 There were no other fingerprints. 547 00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:32,274 I can't work out if it's just marks... 548 00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:35,736 ... or if it's a message. 549 00:36:37,784 --> 00:36:39,474 When I first saw it... 550 00:36:40,647 --> 00:36:42,745 ... it looked like an attempt to write 551 00:36:43,478 --> 00:36:44,737 "I love you". 552 00:36:54,959 --> 00:36:56,394 Breathe. 553 00:37:06,754 --> 00:37:09,239 I always thought that I wanted... 554 00:37:10,737 --> 00:37:12,906 ... love and security. 555 00:37:14,714 --> 00:37:16,342 Now I just 556 00:37:16,975 --> 00:37:19,234 feel like I'm floating free... 557 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,634 ... in a void. 558 00:37:27,029 --> 00:37:28,661 Oh... 559 00:37:32,118 --> 00:37:34,959 You have such a strong sense of purpose. 560 00:37:36,994 --> 00:37:38,350 I feel like... 561 00:37:38,914 --> 00:37:41,794 there's nothing beneath my feet right now, like... 562 00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:45,274 ... nothing to steady them. 563 00:37:49,825 --> 00:37:52,338 It's as if I'm slightly drunk... ! 564 00:37:53,274 --> 00:37:55,462 Rose. Rose... 565 00:37:58,003 --> 00:37:59,318 Remember... 566 00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:01,874 ... you survived. 567 00:38:05,714 --> 00:38:07,314 You got through it. 568 00:38:09,994 --> 00:38:11,554 It's in the past. 569 00:38:27,577 --> 00:38:30,906 Paul Spector, a 32-year-old bereavement counsellor 570 00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:34,354 from South Belfast charged with four counts of murder 571 00:38:34,386 --> 00:38:37,471 is due to make his first appearance in court today. 572 00:38:37,674 --> 00:38:39,141 The four female victims, 573 00:38:39,163 --> 00:38:41,633 all young professional women in their 30s, 574 00:38:41,753 --> 00:38:44,069 were attacked in their homes at night. 575 00:38:44,189 --> 00:38:48,186 Three of those women died of manual or ligature strangulation. 576 00:38:48,985 --> 00:38:51,514 Spector, a married man and a father of two, 577 00:38:51,526 --> 00:38:55,554 is also charged with the attempted murder of accountant Annie Brawley 578 00:38:55,674 --> 00:38:58,124 and the abduction and unlawful imprisonment 579 00:38:58,244 --> 00:39:00,874 of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg... 580 00:39:31,828 --> 00:39:34,114 I worry this is all too soon for you. 581 00:39:35,685 --> 00:39:37,051 I'll be fine. 582 00:39:59,872 --> 00:40:01,239 Are you getting this? 583 00:40:01,872 --> 00:40:03,237 The victims' families... 584 00:40:03,274 --> 00:40:04,834 Detective Superintendent Gibson! 585 00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:06,289 The man you have in custody, 586 00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:07,943 - will he be appearing in court today? - Will you be making a statement 587 00:40:07,954 --> 00:40:09,120 any time soon? 588 00:40:09,697 --> 00:40:12,821 Chief Superintendent, is Spector appearing in person today? 589 00:40:12,874 --> 00:40:14,342 Give us an update on the condition 590 00:40:14,347 --> 00:40:15,768 of Rose Stagg... 591 00:40:36,918 --> 00:40:38,394 Are you ready for this? 592 00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:39,994 I'm a bit nervous, but, yeah. 593 00:40:40,619 --> 00:40:42,434 Yeah, shall we head up, then? 594 00:40:42,850 --> 00:40:45,147 - How are you? - Not too bad... 595 00:41:20,175 --> 00:41:21,396 Stand there. 596 00:41:32,028 --> 00:41:33,737 Look straight into that camera. 597 00:41:33,787 --> 00:41:36,866 You will be able to see the judge and the legal teams. 598 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:38,587 Answer any questions clearly. 599 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,807 The prosecution has suggested 600 00:41:59,813 --> 00:42:01,616 we read the shortened version of the charge. 601 00:42:01,638 --> 00:42:03,880 - Are you happy enough with that? - Yeah, that's fine. 602 00:42:09,114 --> 00:42:10,554 All rise. 603 00:42:16,994 --> 00:42:18,974 Thank you. Please sit. 604 00:42:24,252 --> 00:42:25,994 Are you ready to proceed, ma'am? 605 00:42:27,954 --> 00:42:29,185 I am. 606 00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:36,444 Mr Spector, can you see and hear the proceedings? 607 00:42:36,682 --> 00:42:38,064 Yes. 608 00:42:38,658 --> 00:42:40,567 The charges against the accused 609 00:42:40,595 --> 00:42:42,714 are stated as four counts of murder, 610 00:42:43,136 --> 00:42:44,878 one of attempted murder 611 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,374 and one of abduction and unlawful imprisonment. 612 00:42:48,807 --> 00:42:50,122 Can you confirm for the court 613 00:42:50,122 --> 00:42:51,886 that you are Peter Paul Spector? 614 00:42:52,846 --> 00:42:54,110 Yes. 615 00:42:54,138 --> 00:42:57,794 That your date of birth is the 25th May, 1979. 616 00:42:57,914 --> 00:42:59,314 That's correct. 617 00:42:59,692 --> 00:43:03,316 And that you live at 64, Tiberias Drive, Belfast, 618 00:43:03,338 --> 00:43:05,794 BT6 7KM? 619 00:43:06,607 --> 00:43:07,954 So I've been told. 620 00:43:12,445 --> 00:43:14,434 Why is he answering in that manner? 621 00:43:14,748 --> 00:43:16,573 Ma'am, if I may. 622 00:43:17,245 --> 00:43:19,598 My client has to answer in that manner 623 00:43:19,615 --> 00:43:21,954 because he has suffered significant memory loss. 624 00:43:22,212 --> 00:43:23,527 As you no doubt know, 625 00:43:23,555 --> 00:43:26,679 Mr Spector was shot while in police custody. 626 00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:30,808 He lost his spleen as a result and was in a coma for some time. 627 00:43:30,928 --> 00:43:33,078 The reason he is appearing from hospital 628 00:43:33,111 --> 00:43:35,780 is that he is still being held there in intensive care. 629 00:43:36,194 --> 00:43:37,673 I have written reports 630 00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,264 from the ICU Consultant, Dr Spencer, 631 00:43:40,274 --> 00:43:44,327 and from the Consultant Neuropsychologist Dr Alison Walden, 632 00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:46,402 that explain the nature and degree 633 00:43:46,407 --> 00:43:48,855 of my client's disability. 634 00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:51,818 Dr Walden is approved under Part 635 00:43:51,824 --> 00:43:54,434 of the Mental Health Order 1986. 636 00:43:54,554 --> 00:43:55,992 There's information there about 637 00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58,250 the treatment Mr Spector has undergone 638 00:43:58,261 --> 00:44:01,594 and an account of his behaviour in hospital. 639 00:44:01,641 --> 00:44:03,234 The memory loss, you will see, 640 00:44:03,234 --> 00:44:05,409 covers a period of approximately six years 641 00:44:05,442 --> 00:44:06,807 up to and including 642 00:44:06,927 --> 00:44:08,889 the recent shooting. 643 00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:12,862 One of the primary foundations of criminal law 644 00:44:12,895 --> 00:44:14,737 is that all defendants 645 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,560 are capable of actively participating in their defence. 646 00:44:18,988 --> 00:44:22,739 Mr Spector's amnesia prevents him from so doing. 647 00:44:23,699 --> 00:44:26,684 Whilst Mr Spector understands that he is in court 648 00:44:26,714 --> 00:44:29,164 and charged with a number of criminal offences 649 00:44:29,203 --> 00:44:31,317 and understands the nature and object 650 00:44:31,437 --> 00:44:33,515 and the possible consequences of the proceedings, 651 00:44:33,834 --> 00:44:35,394 he cannot enter a plea, 652 00:44:35,606 --> 00:44:38,215 he cannot consult with or assist his lawyer, 653 00:44:38,414 --> 00:44:40,754 he cannot give evidence in his own defence. 654 00:44:40,754 --> 00:44:44,064 On that basis, I feel I need to raise the issue of competence 655 00:44:44,184 --> 00:44:47,409 as to whether Mr Spector is fit to stand trial. 656 00:44:47,426 --> 00:44:49,301 Mr Healy, let me stop you there. 657 00:44:49,346 --> 00:44:52,198 The concerns you have raised are noted, 658 00:44:52,497 --> 00:44:53,957 but you know as well as I do 659 00:44:53,967 --> 00:44:56,697 that it's not a matter on which this court can adjudicate. 660 00:45:00,994 --> 00:45:02,226 Mr Spector, 661 00:45:02,498 --> 00:45:04,839 do you understand that your case 662 00:45:04,856 --> 00:45:06,904 must be sent to Crown Court? 663 00:45:07,708 --> 00:45:08,885 Yes. 664 00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:12,553 Then you will be held on remand in hospital 665 00:45:12,614 --> 00:45:14,367 until arrangements can be made 666 00:45:14,384 --> 00:45:17,874 to transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic 667 00:45:18,118 --> 00:45:20,354 where more tests can be done 668 00:45:20,382 --> 00:45:23,690 to determine the nature of your mental disability. 669 00:45:43,445 --> 00:45:45,326 That's the guy who's defending the murderer! 670 00:45:45,343 --> 00:45:48,162 Mr Healy, how does it feel to be defending the Belfast Strangler? 671 00:45:48,173 --> 00:45:50,904 The ALLEGED Belfast Strangler. 672 00:45:55,396 --> 00:45:58,194 Dressed in a blue sweatshirt and tracksuit bottoms, 673 00:45:58,194 --> 00:46:00,182 Mr Spector spoke only to confirm his name 674 00:46:00,193 --> 00:46:02,429 and date of birth during the ten-minute hearing, 675 00:46:02,549 --> 00:46:04,834 at that point proceedings took a bizarre twist 676 00:46:04,834 --> 00:46:07,352 as it became apparent that the alleged serial killer 677 00:46:07,396 --> 00:46:09,827 is suffering from significant memory loss. 678 00:46:10,216 --> 00:46:13,179 Mr Spector was remanded in custody to undergo further medical 679 00:46:13,223 --> 00:46:14,794 and psychiatric assessment. 680 00:46:14,794 --> 00:46:17,618 Following the hearing, the public prosecution service 681 00:46:17,618 --> 00:46:19,554 confirmed that Sally Ann Spector 682 00:46:19,554 --> 00:46:22,806 will appear in the Crown Court on Monday 2nd July 683 00:46:22,926 --> 00:46:25,259 to face charges of perverting the course of justice. 684 00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:27,807 The prosecution claims that Mr Spector's wife, 685 00:46:27,851 --> 00:46:30,354 provided her husband with false alibis. 686 00:46:50,434 --> 00:46:51,625 Gibson? 687 00:46:51,936 --> 00:46:53,895 Superintendent Gibson? 688 00:46:54,674 --> 00:46:55,962 Yes. 689 00:46:56,167 --> 00:46:58,071 I'm August Larson. 690 00:46:58,925 --> 00:47:00,757 I'm the consultant psychiatrist 691 00:47:00,773 --> 00:47:03,114 who has been asked to assess Paul Spector. 692 00:47:05,828 --> 00:47:08,303 It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor. 693 00:47:10,673 --> 00:47:12,354 Are you still working? 694 00:47:13,126 --> 00:47:14,425 Yes. 695 00:47:14,608 --> 00:47:16,114 Well, there you are. 696 00:47:17,421 --> 00:47:19,480 Before he's moved here, 697 00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:21,989 I need to determine the risk of violence 698 00:47:21,995 --> 00:47:23,892 towards himself and others 699 00:47:24,219 --> 00:47:25,912 and plan his management. 700 00:47:27,389 --> 00:47:30,280 Have you seen the list of crimes he's been charged with? 701 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,569 I received that information from the court, yes. 702 00:47:37,899 --> 00:47:39,531 In my experience, 703 00:47:39,603 --> 00:47:43,077 a history of previous violence is the best predictor for 704 00:47:43,155 --> 00:47:45,524 future violence for someone whether they are 705 00:47:45,579 --> 00:47:47,716 mentally disordered or not. 706 00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,208 And Paul Spector 707 00:47:50,596 --> 00:47:53,237 is a violent sexual sadist. 708 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,274 Why are you so kind to me? 709 00:48:06,154 --> 00:48:07,909 If I've done the things that the... 710 00:48:08,725 --> 00:48:11,289 police say I've done, then I'm a monster. 711 00:48:13,203 --> 00:48:14,674 It's my job. 712 00:48:20,817 --> 00:48:21,954 What? 713 00:48:25,211 --> 00:48:27,054 It says in your notes that there were tears 714 00:48:27,087 --> 00:48:28,954 in your eyes during your surgery. 715 00:48:29,878 --> 00:48:31,371 That you were crying. 716 00:48:35,674 --> 00:48:37,074 Was I? 717 00:48:39,862 --> 00:48:41,787 Does that mean anything to you? 718 00:48:46,527 --> 00:48:47,674 Perhaps... 719 00:48:49,794 --> 00:48:51,034 I just... 720 00:48:51,916 --> 00:48:54,757 - ... can't believe the memory loss is real. - _ 721 00:48:56,372 --> 00:48:58,675 He's just the sort of person who would feign 722 00:48:59,205 --> 00:49:02,104 amnesia if he felt that there was something to be gained from it. 723 00:49:02,425 --> 00:49:05,251 Even just for the sheer delight of duping people, 724 00:49:05,772 --> 00:49:08,241 particularly experts. 725 00:49:08,968 --> 00:49:11,232 Someone like me, for example? 726 00:49:11,994 --> 00:49:13,463 I'm just saying that, 727 00:49:13,497 --> 00:49:15,012 from my conversations with him, 728 00:49:15,045 --> 00:49:17,752 it seems to me that he exhibits, if anything, a 729 00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:20,815 superior memory for his violence. 730 00:49:21,431 --> 00:49:23,213 It's clear to me 731 00:49:23,447 --> 00:49:27,159 that he rehearsed the crimes in his mind over and over. 732 00:49:27,924 --> 00:49:30,150 They were heavily scripted. 733 00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:33,812 And so, the crimes themselves were memorable 734 00:49:33,932 --> 00:49:36,554 both in the way that they match the script 735 00:49:36,576 --> 00:49:38,554 and in the way that they differ. 736 00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:42,074 So, in my view, it's... 737 00:49:43,013 --> 00:49:45,674 ... extremely unlikely that he has... 738 00:49:45,898 --> 00:49:47,574 forgotten anything. 739 00:49:47,754 --> 00:49:49,472 Faced with memory loss, 740 00:49:49,516 --> 00:49:52,474 there is only one way a clinician can go 741 00:49:52,713 --> 00:49:54,594 and that is to investigate. 742 00:49:56,337 --> 00:49:58,154 If we take him here, 743 00:49:58,154 --> 00:50:00,605 then that is what I intend to do. 744 00:50:01,281 --> 00:50:02,419 If you have the time, 745 00:50:02,434 --> 00:50:05,271 I'd really appreciate getting a premorbid appraisal 746 00:50:05,314 --> 00:50:06,836 of Mr Spector from you. 747 00:50:06,875 --> 00:50:10,543 As someone who has had extensive dealings with him. 748 00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:13,556 Anything at all you can tell me about him 749 00:50:13,561 --> 00:50:15,703 would be extremely useful. 750 00:50:18,691 --> 00:50:20,514 I'll help in any way I can. 751 00:50:21,881 --> 00:50:23,257 Thank you. 752 00:50:24,045 --> 00:50:25,560 Good night. 753 00:50:27,241 --> 00:50:28,629 Good night. 754 00:50:41,637 --> 00:50:43,385 Everything went dark. 755 00:50:44,489 --> 00:50:47,208 And did time seem to speed up or slow down? 756 00:50:49,366 --> 00:50:50,681 It sped up. 757 00:50:52,554 --> 00:50:54,993 I was rushing through a tunnel. 758 00:50:56,725 --> 00:51:00,476 And did you see or feel surrounded by a brilliant light? 759 00:51:01,613 --> 00:51:02,828 There was a light. 760 00:51:02,856 --> 00:51:04,188 Can you describe it? 761 00:51:07,018 --> 00:51:08,544 Incredibly bright. 762 00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:10,669 - Blinding. - And hot? 763 00:51:11,612 --> 00:51:13,314 No, not hot. 764 00:51:15,314 --> 00:51:16,955 Did you come to a border or a 765 00:51:16,961 --> 00:51:18,503 point of no return? 766 00:51:22,514 --> 00:51:24,107 There was a point. Um... 767 00:51:24,462 --> 00:51:26,194 I felt I could have gone on. 768 00:51:27,347 --> 00:51:30,249 But there were voices calling me back. 769 00:51:30,671 --> 00:51:32,034 What voices? 770 00:51:33,154 --> 00:51:34,411 My daughter. 771 00:51:34,944 --> 00:51:36,203 Olivia. 772 00:52:03,937 --> 00:52:06,600 And was there anyone else there known to you, 773 00:52:07,105 --> 00:52:08,394 living or dead? 774 00:52:10,234 --> 00:52:11,434 Yes. 775 00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:13,221 Who? 776 00:52:18,234 --> 00:52:19,634 I think my mother. 777 00:52:21,484 --> 00:52:22,874 And what happened? 778 00:52:25,163 --> 00:52:27,455 How did you feel in her presence? 779 00:52:35,701 --> 00:52:37,034 Afraid. 780 00:52:38,471 --> 00:52:40,058 Did she speak to you? 781 00:52:43,687 --> 00:52:45,091 She was calling me. 782 00:52:45,801 --> 00:52:47,205 I think she wanted me to 783 00:52:47,721 --> 00:52:49,136 come to her. 784 00:52:49,736 --> 00:52:51,156 Towards the light. 785 00:52:52,638 --> 00:52:54,453 But there was other voices. 786 00:52:55,234 --> 00:52:57,154 My daughter calling me back. 787 00:53:00,763 --> 00:53:02,355 And did you want to come back 788 00:53:02,372 --> 00:53:03,549 to your body? 789 00:53:03,834 --> 00:53:05,430 Come back to life? 790 00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:11,474 No. 791 00:53:14,054 --> 00:53:16,229 But I couldn't just abandon her. 792 00:53:18,249 --> 00:53:19,794 Is that when you cried? 793 00:53:25,194 --> 00:53:26,474 Hey. 794 00:53:35,986 --> 00:53:37,339 Drink it all up. 795 00:53:42,634 --> 00:53:43,888 Good girl. 796 00:54:20,659 --> 00:54:22,594 You came close with dying. 797 00:54:25,181 --> 00:54:27,922 What do you now understand death to be? 798 00:54:28,111 --> 00:54:30,159 What does death mean to you now? 799 00:54:33,889 --> 00:54:35,443 I know that life 800 00:54:35,781 --> 00:54:37,718 is our only true possession. 801 00:54:39,994 --> 00:54:41,234 And death? 802 00:54:50,439 --> 00:54:52,553 I've found a murder that looks promising. 803 00:54:52,758 --> 00:54:54,923 Really? The right initials? 804 00:54:54,934 --> 00:54:56,593 That's not the connection. 805 00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:59,257 A law student. Susan Harper. 806 00:54:59,707 --> 00:55:01,532 Do you think she looks right? 807 00:55:02,454 --> 00:55:03,968 Yes, absolutely. 808 00:55:04,024 --> 00:55:05,955 - Just a bit younger. - 21. 809 00:55:06,075 --> 00:55:08,997 The only problem is there is someone doing time for it. 810 00:55:09,418 --> 00:55:11,776 It's an individual called David Alvarez. 811 00:55:11,804 --> 00:55:14,539 I remembered I saw his name yesterday 812 00:55:14,556 --> 00:55:16,502 on the list of children who were in Gortnacull 813 00:55:16,504 --> 00:55:17,969 at the same time as Spector. 814 00:55:18,089 --> 00:55:19,554 So, I've done some digging. 815 00:55:19,783 --> 00:55:21,348 And they are one and the same. 816 00:55:22,274 --> 00:55:24,717 The David Alvarez who's doing time for the murder 817 00:55:24,761 --> 00:55:26,092 is the same David Alvarez 818 00:55:26,115 --> 00:55:28,112 who was a fellow pupil of Spector's at the home. 819 00:55:28,956 --> 00:55:30,714 Why was Alvarez convicted? 820 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,514 His DNA on her body. 821 00:55:33,878 --> 00:55:35,742 A subsequent confession. 822 00:55:36,036 --> 00:55:37,754 That's pretty conclusive. 823 00:55:39,154 --> 00:55:40,554 What year is this? 824 00:55:41,026 --> 00:55:43,401 August 2002. 825 00:55:44,894 --> 00:55:46,194 In London. 826 00:55:47,714 --> 00:55:50,359 Now, there's a gap in Spector's time-line. 827 00:55:51,564 --> 00:55:53,328 We don't know where he was 828 00:55:53,605 --> 00:55:55,203 or what he was doing. 829 00:55:56,602 --> 00:55:58,672 No, we don't. 830 00:57:25,444 --> 00:57:27,036 I'll see you in the morning. 831 00:57:27,668 --> 00:57:29,074 Try and get some sleep. 832 00:57:39,354 --> 00:57:40,734 I'll pray for you.