1 00:00:07,299 --> 00:00:08,839 Well, they're still looking for murder suspect 2 00:00:08,884 --> 00:00:11,104 Theodore Bundy, who celebrated New Year's Eve 3 00:00:11,137 --> 00:00:15,267 by escaping from a Colorado jail. 4 00:00:15,349 --> 00:00:18,189 Bundy's escape bordered on a Houdini escapade. 5 00:00:18,227 --> 00:00:21,897 The 5'11", 145-pound former law student 6 00:00:21,939 --> 00:00:25,149 ripped out a light fixture and steel grating in the ceiling 7 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:26,862 and then manoeuvred himself up through 8 00:00:26,902 --> 00:00:29,532 a 12-inch by 12-inch hole in the ceiling. 9 00:00:29,572 --> 00:00:31,072 Ground units, helicopters, and dogs 10 00:00:31,115 --> 00:00:32,865 have been searching for Bundy. 11 00:00:32,908 --> 00:00:33,948 Roadblocks have been set up 12 00:00:33,993 --> 00:00:36,043 around the town of Glenwood Springs, 13 00:00:36,078 --> 00:00:38,498 and an all-points bulletin has been issued. 14 00:00:38,539 --> 00:00:39,789 If Bundy is ever recaptured, 15 00:00:39,832 --> 00:00:42,212 the Colorado prosecution will continue 16 00:00:42,293 --> 00:00:44,673 and he could be prosecuted for one of the Utah murders 17 00:00:44,712 --> 00:00:46,712 before this thing is all over with. 18 00:00:46,756 --> 00:00:48,046 But for the moment, 19 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:51,140 Theodore Bundy is merely an escaped convicted kidnapper 20 00:00:51,177 --> 00:00:56,767 and now one of the FBI's most wanted men. 21 00:00:56,807 --> 00:00:59,387 My dreams at this time were extremely vivid. 22 00:01:03,397 --> 00:01:05,937 A lot of times they centred around my daughter. 23 00:01:08,444 --> 00:01:11,614 Things like she was either really injured 24 00:01:11,655 --> 00:01:15,325 or she was really sick and I needed help, 25 00:01:15,367 --> 00:01:17,197 and the police told me that they wouldn't help me 26 00:01:17,244 --> 00:01:19,374 because I wouldn't help them before, 27 00:01:19,413 --> 00:01:21,173 and I was like, "But here's my... 28 00:01:21,207 --> 00:01:24,377 "My little girl needs help," and they said, "Sorry." 29 00:01:24,418 --> 00:01:26,748 And it was just... it was just awful. 30 00:01:26,796 --> 00:01:28,296 I'd have to like lay in bed and think, 31 00:01:28,339 --> 00:01:31,679 "Did this happen, or was this a dream?" 32 00:01:31,717 --> 00:01:34,217 Like, I dreamt one night that I had helped Ted 33 00:01:34,261 --> 00:01:36,561 bury the first victim, 34 00:01:36,597 --> 00:01:40,727 and I said that if he promised to never do it again, 35 00:01:40,768 --> 00:01:42,138 I would forgive him. 36 00:01:42,186 --> 00:01:43,396 It's just like I woke up thinking, 37 00:01:43,437 --> 00:01:47,437 "My god, what's my subconscious doing?" 38 00:02:23,477 --> 00:02:25,477 Here in Houston, 35 new astronauts 39 00:02:25,521 --> 00:02:28,151 have now officially joined the space program. 40 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:31,030 Ahead for some of America's first six women in space 41 00:02:31,068 --> 00:02:33,948 will be diverse missions, such as... 42 00:02:33,988 --> 00:02:35,448 Is there any particular experiment 43 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:36,909 in the program designed to take advantage 44 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:38,659 of the fact that you are a woman? 45 00:02:38,701 --> 00:02:40,661 I don't really know exactly what experiments 46 00:02:40,703 --> 00:02:42,963 are planned for any of the shuttle missions, 47 00:02:42,997 --> 00:02:47,787 but as far as the accommodations and the training, 48 00:02:47,835 --> 00:02:49,835 we're all astronauts, 49 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:52,209 and we're not distinguished whether we're male or female. 50 00:02:53,257 --> 00:02:55,127 Astronaut Resnik got here early, 51 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:58,595 and is flown back seat of the T-38 jet trainer. 52 00:02:58,637 --> 00:03:00,557 So almost 20 years after the first astronauts 53 00:03:00,598 --> 00:03:04,388 were chosen, NASA finally has women and black astronauts. 54 00:03:04,435 --> 00:03:06,095 There'll be flying aboard the space shuttle 55 00:03:06,145 --> 00:03:07,515 in two years. 56 00:03:07,563 --> 00:03:09,983 This is Jules Bergman, ABC News... 57 00:03:10,024 --> 00:03:12,614 ...the rather amazing story of Mr. Bundy. 58 00:03:12,651 --> 00:03:15,111 But law enforcement officials here were confident 59 00:03:15,154 --> 00:03:18,994 that Bundy would be found again sooner or later. 60 00:03:19,033 --> 00:03:21,333 This is Sandy Gilmour, Newswatch 2, 61 00:03:21,368 --> 00:03:23,748 in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. 62 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:25,247 He rambled around a little bit. 63 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:27,749 He went to Chicago and then he went to Michigan. 64 00:03:27,791 --> 00:03:31,841 He watched the Rose Bowl game in a bar in Ann Arbor, 65 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:35,929 when he cheered for UW and got roaring drunk, he said. 66 00:03:37,801 --> 00:03:39,261 You know, I was a teenager 67 00:03:39,303 --> 00:03:40,473 when he was arrested, 68 00:03:40,512 --> 00:03:43,222 and I didn't really see the escaping as him 69 00:03:43,265 --> 00:03:45,725 being full-on guilty, 'cause, you know, 70 00:03:45,768 --> 00:03:47,768 I mean, I was a kid; I was just being stupid 71 00:03:47,811 --> 00:03:51,191 and naive, you know, I was thinking... 72 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,571 like the... the Fugitive story. 73 00:03:53,609 --> 00:03:56,239 Richard Kimball ran away to find the real killer, 74 00:03:56,278 --> 00:03:59,448 you know, probably what I was thinking. 75 00:03:59,490 --> 00:04:00,780 And at the same time, I was... 76 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:02,704 A part of me was blocking it out going, 77 00:04:02,743 --> 00:04:06,373 "Dude, whatever it is, pssht... 78 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:07,873 "You can't do nothing about it. 79 00:04:07,915 --> 00:04:09,625 "Don't let it ruin your life." 80 00:04:09,667 --> 00:04:12,207 You know, it was part of me trying to protect myself 81 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,552 from all the pain, but I just said, 82 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:15,377 "Man, just go outside and ride your skateboard." 83 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:17,132 "Fuck him," you know? 84 00:04:17,174 --> 00:04:20,594 "If he's guilty, then... scumbag gets what he gets." 85 00:04:20,636 --> 00:04:21,636 You know? 86 00:04:34,984 --> 00:04:37,574 I knew a few of the girls beforehand. 87 00:04:37,611 --> 00:04:39,781 Um, I didn't know all of them, of course, 88 00:04:39,822 --> 00:04:41,782 and I knew girls at other houses as well, 89 00:04:41,824 --> 00:04:45,494 but there was just something that drew me to Chi Omega. 90 00:04:45,536 --> 00:04:49,116 In sororities, you tend to become a family. 91 00:04:49,164 --> 00:04:50,584 You form a sisterhood 92 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:53,134 and you become friends with these girls. 93 00:04:53,168 --> 00:04:55,048 I think more so than other sororities, 94 00:04:55,087 --> 00:04:57,627 we were a little bit different. 95 00:04:57,673 --> 00:05:00,683 The girls had their own desires and wishes, 96 00:05:00,718 --> 00:05:02,338 and they weren't all the same. 97 00:05:02,386 --> 00:05:04,846 So we were definitely not a cookie-cutter 98 00:05:04,888 --> 00:05:07,928 kind of organization. 99 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:10,595 Lisa was so honoured to be a student 100 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:13,904 at Florida State University, and just so happy to be there. 101 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:21,664 She taught me how to do a line dance. 102 00:05:21,697 --> 00:05:23,277 She had the hardest time 103 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,203 teaching me how to do this line dance. 104 00:05:25,242 --> 00:05:27,752 Now, I had had years of ballroom dance training. 105 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:31,246 I had, at that point, I think 18 years of ballet training, 106 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:33,790 but I could not get this line dance down, 107 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:36,094 and she was so patient with me. 108 00:05:36,128 --> 00:05:38,168 But through the course of her teaching and instructing me, 109 00:05:38,213 --> 00:05:40,173 we would just crack up laughing. 110 00:05:46,096 --> 00:05:47,596 We had gone to bed. 111 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:51,059 I don't recall what it was that stirred me. 112 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:52,941 I just, for whatever reason, 113 00:05:52,978 --> 00:05:56,688 went immediately to Lisa's room and opened the door and went in. 114 00:05:56,732 --> 00:05:57,782 There she was. 115 00:05:57,816 --> 00:05:59,186 You know, she was covered in blood. 116 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:00,904 She was absolutely covered in blood. 117 00:06:00,944 --> 00:06:03,494 And she was moaning. 118 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,570 And I, you know, reached out to her, 119 00:06:05,616 --> 00:06:07,736 and she was touching her mouth, 120 00:06:07,785 --> 00:06:09,615 and to this day, I, you know, 121 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:11,291 I have that memory of her. 122 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,293 Four young women were beaten with a club 123 00:06:15,334 --> 00:06:17,634 and two of them were strangled to death last night 124 00:06:17,669 --> 00:06:19,339 by a man who found his victims 125 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,219 sleeping in this sorority house on the Tallahassee Campus 126 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:24,087 of Florida State University. 127 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:26,434 A man was seen leaving the house with a club, 128 00:06:26,470 --> 00:06:27,680 and another co-ed was beaten... 129 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:29,351 Um, I still have the image in my mind, 130 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:31,729 and I still, you know, care for her deeply, 131 00:06:31,767 --> 00:06:34,557 and I just wish I could've done something. 132 00:06:34,603 --> 00:06:35,983 The killer came in from the night 133 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:37,311 and then returned to it 134 00:06:37,356 --> 00:06:40,186 with an ease that has so far baffled police 135 00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:43,034 and left most co-eds here terrified. 136 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:45,030 He clubbed and then strangled to death 137 00:06:45,072 --> 00:06:48,582 20-year-old Lisa Levy and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman. 138 00:06:48,617 --> 00:06:50,487 At least one of them was raped. 139 00:06:50,536 --> 00:06:52,996 Then he brutally beat three more sleeping co-eds, 140 00:06:53,038 --> 00:06:55,368 Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner. 141 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,285 Cheryl Anne Thomas was severely beaten 142 00:06:57,334 --> 00:06:59,924 in her apartment six blocks away. 143 00:06:59,962 --> 00:07:01,922 I think there was this thought 144 00:07:01,964 --> 00:07:03,764 that as long as you didn't do harm to another 145 00:07:03,799 --> 00:07:05,589 or put yourself in a bad situation 146 00:07:05,634 --> 00:07:09,264 that you could not be harmed. 147 00:07:12,558 --> 00:07:15,188 And in fact, these were totally innocent women 148 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:17,307 that were, you know, unjustly attacked, 149 00:07:17,354 --> 00:07:19,404 and two lives were taken. 150 00:07:23,485 --> 00:07:25,775 I always took my newspaper 151 00:07:25,821 --> 00:07:27,611 on my morning break, 152 00:07:27,656 --> 00:07:29,826 and when I was reading the paper, 153 00:07:29,867 --> 00:07:33,447 I saw this photograph of a young woman 154 00:07:33,495 --> 00:07:36,075 peering out from behind a curtain 155 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:39,793 at the Chi Omega Sorority House in Florida, 156 00:07:39,835 --> 00:07:41,955 and I had this really bad feeling 157 00:07:42,004 --> 00:07:46,724 that it might be the work of Ted. 158 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:48,758 The front door of the Chi Omega House 159 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,472 was not only locked today, 160 00:07:50,512 --> 00:07:52,852 a policeman stood guard on the other side. 161 00:07:52,890 --> 00:07:55,930 We knew we had somebody who was in a rage, 162 00:07:55,976 --> 00:07:57,556 somebody who wanted to murder, 163 00:07:57,603 --> 00:08:00,193 somebody who was capable of brutality 164 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:04,030 like I had never seen before, and I had seen a lot. 165 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:05,647 Blood-stained bedsheets 166 00:08:05,694 --> 00:08:07,994 and numerous bags of other evidence were prepared... 167 00:08:08,030 --> 00:08:11,910 As I was leaving the Chi Omega House after daybreak, 168 00:08:11,950 --> 00:08:13,540 I got a phone call, 169 00:08:13,577 --> 00:08:16,997 and it was investigators from out west 170 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:18,329 telling me that, you know, 171 00:08:18,373 --> 00:08:22,633 had you thought about the possibility it was Ted Bundy? 172 00:08:22,669 --> 00:08:26,089 I said, "Well, you know, this isn't his kind of crime." 173 00:08:26,131 --> 00:08:29,221 This was a mass murder all in one location in a house, 174 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:32,389 and there is nothing in Ted Bundy's history 175 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:35,599 to indicate that he would operate in that manner. 176 00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:38,981 So I wrote his name down because they gave it to me, 177 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:42,309 but I did not and could not fathom 178 00:08:42,356 --> 00:08:44,856 that he made his way to Tallahassee 179 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:47,030 and then changed his M.O. completely 180 00:08:47,069 --> 00:08:48,859 and did something like this. 181 00:08:51,365 --> 00:08:53,865 He was looking for a college campus. 182 00:08:53,909 --> 00:08:54,989 That's where he felt comfortable. 183 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:58,615 That's where he wanted to operate. 184 00:08:58,664 --> 00:09:00,084 It's a migratory store, 185 00:09:00,123 --> 00:09:02,923 almost like an animal migrating somewhere 186 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,540 in search of a place to settle, 187 00:09:04,586 --> 00:09:07,256 in search of a place to-- in search of prey. 188 00:09:07,297 --> 00:09:10,627 I mean, it's very... it's very primal. 189 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:20,980 And then he stole a Florida State University van, 190 00:09:21,019 --> 00:09:24,649 changed plates on it, again trying to cover his tracks, 191 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:27,030 and trolled over a hundred miles over to Lake City, 192 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:28,817 this small little town. 193 00:09:31,113 --> 00:09:32,663 That little 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. 194 00:09:32,698 --> 00:09:34,908 I mean... 195 00:09:34,950 --> 00:09:37,410 this girl in middle school walking along, 196 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:39,872 and he takes her, and... 197 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:43,133 found her in a hog shed or whatever that was. 198 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:47,840 12 years old. 199 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:49,299 A child. 200 00:09:54,386 --> 00:09:55,796 She looked like a 12-year-old. 201 00:09:55,846 --> 00:09:58,466 She didn't look-- you know, she wasn't-- 202 00:09:58,515 --> 00:10:00,175 she didn't look older than her years. 203 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:01,305 She was a child. 204 00:10:01,351 --> 00:10:03,061 She was taken in front of her own school. 205 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:08,777 As a mother, you're trying 206 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:12,777 to give your daughters the best life ever. 207 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:14,241 But, you know, 208 00:10:14,281 --> 00:10:18,291 what I really brought into her life was... 209 00:10:18,327 --> 00:10:23,117 rapes and murders and lies and craziness. 210 00:10:25,709 --> 00:10:28,089 It took me a long time to take it in, 211 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:31,548 what that means to me. 212 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:34,380 I mean, it was... 213 00:10:34,426 --> 00:10:35,676 It was hurtful 214 00:10:35,719 --> 00:10:40,389 in the same that every single murder that he committed, 215 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:42,682 every attack that he carried out, 216 00:10:42,726 --> 00:10:45,476 was hurtful to me. 217 00:10:50,734 --> 00:10:54,364 This girl could be my twin, you know? 218 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:56,494 We were the same. 219 00:10:56,531 --> 00:10:59,741 And I really grappled with, 220 00:10:59,785 --> 00:11:02,575 "Does this have anything to do with me?" 221 00:11:02,621 --> 00:11:05,871 And... 222 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:12,593 That's devastating. 223 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,560 The recklessness of it seems to suggest 224 00:11:24,601 --> 00:11:29,021 that he was careening towards an end of some kind. 225 00:11:34,945 --> 00:11:37,195 February 15th, 1978, 226 00:11:37,239 --> 00:11:40,329 somewhere around 1:30 am in the morning, 227 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:43,787 while on patrol with the Pensacola Police Department, 228 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:47,119 I noticed a Volkswagen Bug coming out of the alleyway 229 00:11:47,165 --> 00:11:49,375 behind Oscar Woerner's restaurant. 230 00:11:49,418 --> 00:11:51,878 No headlights. 231 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,670 I came up behind him and activate my blue lights 232 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:58,335 same time I'm running the tag, 233 00:11:58,385 --> 00:12:01,965 and the tag come back as a stolen vehicle. 234 00:12:02,013 --> 00:12:04,183 I didn't have a backup anywhere close by. 235 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:06,604 There was only three of us working the entire city 236 00:12:06,643 --> 00:12:09,483 of Pensacola that night. 237 00:12:09,521 --> 00:12:13,531 I got him out of the car and had him laying on the pavement. 238 00:12:13,567 --> 00:12:15,777 He kept saying, "Officer, what's wrong? 239 00:12:15,819 --> 00:12:17,399 "Officer, what's wrong?" 240 00:12:17,446 --> 00:12:18,906 Well, initially when I was putting-- 241 00:12:18,947 --> 00:12:20,157 placing the handcuffs on him, 242 00:12:20,198 --> 00:12:21,408 he kicked my feet out from under me 243 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:23,200 and struck me with a handcuff 244 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:25,293 that had been placed on one wrist, 245 00:12:25,328 --> 00:12:26,958 and of course knocked me off my feet, 246 00:12:26,997 --> 00:12:28,957 and that's when it started. 247 00:12:28,999 --> 00:12:30,209 I was chasing him, 248 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:32,840 hollering "Halt," and so forth. 249 00:12:32,878 --> 00:12:34,878 Well, he turned, and all I seen was a nickel, 250 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:36,971 and thought it was a gun, 251 00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:40,177 so I levelled down and fired. 252 00:12:40,218 --> 00:12:42,388 So I said, "My god, I've killed him." 253 00:12:43,555 --> 00:12:45,555 And when I went to see if he was shot, 254 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:47,519 I bend down, he grabbed my wrist, 255 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,269 and we had a struggle for control of my revolver. 256 00:12:50,312 --> 00:12:51,732 And it's a heavy pistol, 257 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:54,111 and when I broke it away, 258 00:12:54,149 --> 00:12:57,149 it swung and slapped him on the cheek. 259 00:12:57,194 --> 00:13:00,664 And if you see pictures right after the suspect was arrested, 260 00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:02,567 there's a big bruise on the side of his cheek, 261 00:13:02,616 --> 00:13:08,366 and that was from my pistol barrel. 262 00:13:08,413 --> 00:13:10,923 There's no doubt in my mind that he'd have killed me 263 00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:14,037 if he had taken my gun away from me. 264 00:13:14,085 --> 00:13:17,255 He didn't give us much information initially. 265 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:19,667 The driver's licence that he had 266 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:24,506 was in the name of Kenneth Misner. 267 00:13:24,554 --> 00:13:27,724 Norman Chapman was the detective on call, 268 00:13:27,766 --> 00:13:31,686 and me and Norman started interview him. 269 00:13:31,728 --> 00:13:33,268 I kept keying on his eyes. 270 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:36,533 His eyes were alarming to me. 271 00:13:36,566 --> 00:13:39,106 They were deep, steel-blue eyes, 272 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:41,362 and at first I couldn't figure out what it was 273 00:13:41,404 --> 00:13:43,244 I was keying on, 274 00:13:43,281 --> 00:13:47,291 but it was his eyes. 275 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,287 And it was also the feeling. 276 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,749 Once I got around him, I had this feeling 277 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:53,540 I'd never felt before. 278 00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:56,293 It was a feeling of, um... 279 00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:58,416 I guess the best way to describe it 280 00:13:58,463 --> 00:14:02,593 was a frustration and doom. 281 00:14:02,634 --> 00:14:04,394 And from then on, when I got this feeling, 282 00:14:04,427 --> 00:14:07,057 I knew I'd been around somebody who'd murdered somebody, 283 00:14:07,097 --> 00:14:10,557 not somebody who killed somebody in self-defence, 284 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,480 somebody who had murdered somebody. 285 00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:16,861 By this time, everybody in the investigation is saying, 286 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:19,398 "Chapman, who do you have?" 287 00:14:19,442 --> 00:14:21,152 And I said, "Well, I don't know." 288 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:22,494 "Well, how come you don't know?" 289 00:14:22,529 --> 00:14:24,199 Well, see, we didn't have computers or anything 290 00:14:24,239 --> 00:14:27,239 back in the 70s. 291 00:14:27,284 --> 00:14:30,414 We had to take him to the first appearance for the judge. 292 00:14:36,334 --> 00:14:37,674 No, sir. 293 00:14:37,711 --> 00:14:39,751 I thought, sure, him going before the judge 294 00:14:39,796 --> 00:14:41,626 it did tell who he was. 295 00:14:41,673 --> 00:14:42,673 He said, I ain't tell you. 296 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,596 So the judge refused to set a bond on him 297 00:14:51,641 --> 00:14:54,191 because he didn't know who he was. 298 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:58,227 So I bring him back to the police station. 299 00:14:58,273 --> 00:15:00,573 His attorneys went in, talked a few minutes, 300 00:15:00,609 --> 00:15:02,439 and then when they called me in, 301 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:06,815 they said he wants to wait until he contacts some people 302 00:15:06,865 --> 00:15:08,985 before he releases his identification. 303 00:15:09,034 --> 00:15:12,624 There's some people he wants to let them know he's in custody. 304 00:15:12,662 --> 00:15:13,832 I says, "Okay." 305 00:15:13,872 --> 00:15:16,122 I says, "I will give him two hours to call anybody 306 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:19,876 "he wants to before I put him back in his cell." 307 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,169 I said, "He gotta call collect, 308 00:15:21,212 --> 00:15:22,592 "because Pensacola Police Department 309 00:15:22,631 --> 00:15:25,341 "pays for no more phone calls." 310 00:15:30,555 --> 00:15:32,095 Are you aware that this interview is being taped? 311 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:33,390 Yes. 312 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:34,813 Is it taped with your approval? 313 00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:36,351 Yes. 314 00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:37,354 Okay. 315 00:15:37,395 --> 00:15:38,725 Would you describe the telephone call 316 00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:41,072 that you received from Ted Bundy? 317 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:42,067 He called collect. 318 00:15:42,108 --> 00:15:45,448 My daughter accepted the charges. 319 00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:47,067 I told him that he shouldn't be calling me, 320 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:48,243 that my phone had a trap on it, 321 00:15:48,281 --> 00:15:50,121 and he said that he was in custody, 322 00:15:50,158 --> 00:15:52,198 and I asked him where and he said Florida. 323 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:54,253 He said-- he repeated over and over again 324 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:56,457 that this was really gonna be bad when it broke, 325 00:15:56,498 --> 00:15:58,288 that it was not gonna break until tomorrow morning. 326 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:02,383 It'd be in the press, but it was gonna be really ugly. 327 00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:03,630 And I said, 328 00:16:03,672 --> 00:16:06,012 "I was really afraid that you might be in that area 329 00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:07,799 "and that you might have done it." 330 00:16:07,842 --> 00:16:09,722 And he said, 331 00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:11,891 "You know, I can't really talk to you about things." 332 00:16:11,930 --> 00:16:15,520 He said, "I wish I could sit down and tell you things 333 00:16:15,558 --> 00:16:17,978 "without anybody listening." 334 00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:20,519 And I said, "Are you trying to tell me that you're sick?" 335 00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:22,233 And he said, "Back off." 336 00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:24,363 He got really angry. He said, "Back off." 337 00:16:24,401 --> 00:16:25,821 He says, "That's not it at all." 338 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:28,610 And I wasn't-- I was really confused. 339 00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:32,575 Took me a long time to, like, calm down after that. 340 00:16:32,617 --> 00:16:34,367 Theodore Bundy came back to Tallahassee 341 00:16:34,411 --> 00:16:37,041 early Sunday morning in a Pensacola police cruiser 342 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,670 escorted by Leon County sheriff's deputies. 343 00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:41,748 It was in Tallahassee that Bundy allegedly stole 344 00:16:41,793 --> 00:16:44,343 21 credit cards, three sets of identification, 345 00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:45,799 and a Volkswagen. 346 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:47,299 Authorities also say they can... 347 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:51,260 Saturday morning at 2 he called again, collect, 348 00:16:51,302 --> 00:16:53,302 and he said that he wanted to talk about 349 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:56,556 what we'd been talking about on the first phone call. 350 00:16:56,599 --> 00:16:58,689 And I said, "You mean about being sick?" 351 00:16:58,727 --> 00:16:59,977 And he said, "Yes." 352 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,349 Sherriff Ken Katsaris said investigators 353 00:17:01,396 --> 00:17:04,816 will continue pursuing all leads in the Chi Omega murders 354 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:07,818 despite having Bundy as a prime suspect. 355 00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:11,741 He told me that he... 356 00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:14,781 he knew now there was something that he couldn't be around. 357 00:17:14,826 --> 00:17:17,536 And when I asked him what, he said, "Don't make me say it." 358 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:23,419 So I knew that he was meaning young, beautiful women. 359 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,090 He just was addicted to killing. 360 00:17:28,506 --> 00:17:31,296 And he started to tell me about this force, 361 00:17:31,342 --> 00:17:34,012 is what he called it, 362 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:36,563 and he said it would just start building within him, 363 00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:39,978 and he would... 364 00:17:40,018 --> 00:17:41,728 It would take him, you know, days 365 00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:44,150 before he really acted out. 366 00:17:44,189 --> 00:17:45,689 But once he acted out, 367 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:50,822 it was just over. 368 00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:52,242 And he mentioned the day 369 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,490 that the two women were abducted from Lake Sammamish. 370 00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:00,115 And he said, "I remembered when you and I 371 00:18:00,163 --> 00:18:05,753 "went to eat hamburgers after that, and ice cream." 372 00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:08,514 And he said, "I remembered what had happened." 373 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:11,046 He said, "It wasn't like I'd had a blackout." 374 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:13,800 And he said, "But it was just like it was over." 375 00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:16,553 And I was just shocked, 376 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,886 because I thought if he did do these things 377 00:18:18,932 --> 00:18:21,772 that he had to have two personalities 378 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:22,980 or something like that, 379 00:18:23,019 --> 00:18:26,939 but he was telling me that this is just him. 380 00:18:29,484 --> 00:18:31,994 Why do you think he did that? 381 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:36,490 I think he was... beat. 382 00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:40,123 I think he... he knew that he... 383 00:18:40,161 --> 00:18:42,791 he couldn't live in freedom anymore 384 00:18:42,831 --> 00:18:46,421 because he was too murderous. 385 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:48,629 He said to me, "Didn't you always know?" 386 00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:50,550 And it's just like... 387 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,758 "Well, yes and no." 388 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,089 And it's like... 389 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,394 I dunno. It's very... 390 00:18:56,427 --> 00:19:00,637 It's a very confusing emotional conversation. 391 00:19:00,682 --> 00:19:02,432 Um... 392 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,480 I asked him 393 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,190 if I somehow played a part in what had happened, 394 00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:11,032 and he said no, 395 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:12,817 that for years before he even met me, 396 00:19:12,861 --> 00:19:15,611 he'd been fighting the same sickness, 397 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:19,445 and that when it broke, we just happened to be together. 398 00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:24,662 I feel like for so long... 399 00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:26,576 this mental confusion that I had about, 400 00:19:26,624 --> 00:19:28,424 is he guilty, is he capable, 401 00:19:28,459 --> 00:19:31,499 is he really a nice, wonderful guy 402 00:19:31,546 --> 00:19:33,456 that I should love, or...? 403 00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,336 And that mental confusion 404 00:19:35,383 --> 00:19:39,183 I think was all just part of me not being able 405 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:41,720 to face the facts. 406 00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:43,024 And once I got off the phone, 407 00:19:43,057 --> 00:19:45,387 I just felt like... 408 00:19:45,435 --> 00:19:47,145 I was glad to know the truth, 409 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:51,266 but I also felt like the truth was just so ugly 410 00:19:51,316 --> 00:19:55,526 that I just felt like... 411 00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:57,820 I felt really upset, 412 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,164 and very desolate that this was true, 413 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:03,239 that this man I knew did these things. 414 00:20:03,286 --> 00:20:04,906 Not only did I know him, I loved him. 415 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:07,964 So it was very difficult. 416 00:20:09,876 --> 00:20:11,206 Wanted for questioning 417 00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:14,712 in at least 36 cases of rape, murders, and missing women 418 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:18,256 in several western states since 1973. 419 00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:21,931 The FBI said Bundy escaped from a jail near Aspen, Colorado 420 00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:23,431 last December. 421 00:20:23,473 --> 00:20:26,983 He was awaiting trial there on a sex slaying charge. 422 00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:29,518 In January, according to Florida police, 423 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:31,482 Bundy was living in Tallahassee 424 00:20:31,522 --> 00:20:34,732 at the time when five Florida State University co-eds 425 00:20:34,776 --> 00:20:37,486 were attacked on or near the campus. 426 00:20:37,528 --> 00:20:41,908 Two of the young women died as a result of the attack... 427 00:20:41,950 --> 00:20:43,530 He alluded to Tallahassee. 428 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:46,036 I asked him specifically about the Florida murders, 429 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:49,079 and he told me that he didn't want to talk about them. 430 00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:51,423 But then in the same conversation he said 431 00:20:51,459 --> 00:20:55,339 that he felt like he had a disease like alcoholism, 432 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:58,130 like the alcoholic that couldn't take another drink. 433 00:21:00,218 --> 00:21:02,508 I really thought he was gonna confess. 434 00:21:02,553 --> 00:21:06,473 That's what he was talking about. 435 00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:08,476 So I was really disappointed in the following days 436 00:21:08,518 --> 00:21:11,438 when he didn't. 437 00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:12,979 When he called me in my office 438 00:21:13,022 --> 00:21:17,192 after a few weeks of not confessing, 439 00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:22,155 I could have easily fallen into a chatty conversation with him 440 00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:23,738 because that was our pattern, 441 00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:25,583 but I... I already knew 442 00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:28,828 that I was coming out from under the spell, 443 00:21:28,871 --> 00:21:31,331 but at that point the spell was broken, 444 00:21:31,374 --> 00:21:33,584 and I just hung up on him. 445 00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:39,878 I was in the early stages of my journalism career, 446 00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,224 and I met an attorney 447 00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:43,929 who was at that point representing Ted Bundy. 448 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:45,600 He called me and asked if I would be interested 449 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,348 in covering the Ted Bundy case, 450 00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:49,390 and in particular be interested in speaking with Bundy 451 00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:50,814 face-to-face. 452 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:52,812 So I said, "Okay." 453 00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:56,232 I walked in with this attorney, 454 00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:58,444 and he was sitting with a stack of papers, 455 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:00,074 and he was writing, 456 00:22:00,111 --> 00:22:01,821 and the first thing I noticed was that there was 457 00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:04,203 classical music playing on the radio, 458 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,490 and I asked him about that. 459 00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:08,123 And he said, "Yeah, that's the local college 460 00:22:08,161 --> 00:22:10,581 "public radio station." 461 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:15,544 He was very soft-spoken, 462 00:22:15,585 --> 00:22:17,335 very charming, 463 00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:20,378 made direct eye contact the whole time. 464 00:22:20,423 --> 00:22:22,593 I began to ask him about different parts of his life, 465 00:22:22,633 --> 00:22:23,933 his childhood. 466 00:22:23,968 --> 00:22:25,718 I was probing the same things that people would probe 467 00:22:25,762 --> 00:22:27,392 for years thereafter. 468 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:28,930 What kind of a childhood did he have? 469 00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:31,063 What was the relationship with his mother? 470 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:33,560 And the more we talked, 471 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,153 the more normal he seemed to be. 472 00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:43,911 On my way out, I was really shaken. 473 00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:46,566 Here was somebody who I knew in my heart 474 00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:49,786 had killed many women, I just knew it. 475 00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:52,247 And yet I felt that the person I was speaking with 476 00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:55,118 in that jail cell was not the person 477 00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:56,916 who did all these horrible things. 478 00:22:56,959 --> 00:22:58,379 The fact that someone 479 00:22:58,419 --> 00:23:01,669 whose background was so similar to mine 480 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:05,384 could host a being 481 00:23:05,426 --> 00:23:08,506 capable of doing those horrible things, 482 00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:10,774 I just couldn't separate myself from him. 483 00:23:14,811 --> 00:23:16,651 If he was capable of it, 484 00:23:16,687 --> 00:23:19,567 then I had to confront the notion that maybe 485 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:22,937 I could have been capable of something like that. 486 00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:31,736 A man who was a suspect in several cases 487 00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:33,286 of murder in four states 488 00:23:33,329 --> 00:23:36,669 has been formally charged in Florida with three. 489 00:23:38,668 --> 00:23:39,628 Okay... 490 00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:40,629 Ladies and gentlemen of the press, 491 00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:42,380 I'm meeting with you tonight 492 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:46,801 to inform you that Theodore Robert Bundy 493 00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:50,223 has been indicted by the Grand Jury of Leon County 494 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:51,763 this afternoon and... 495 00:23:51,806 --> 00:23:55,426 I was the director of the investigation 496 00:23:55,476 --> 00:23:57,146 that involved Ted Bundy. 497 00:23:57,186 --> 00:24:00,356 I had the authority to take over, 498 00:24:00,398 --> 00:24:03,648 and to discharge my duties by directing, and I did. 499 00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:09,283 I did not want to lose total control over him. 500 00:24:09,323 --> 00:24:10,993 Every time he did anything, 501 00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:15,453 it was approved by me. 502 00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:19,536 So, one person took, and I admit it, 503 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:21,594 absolute control. 504 00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:22,837 ...back here. 505 00:24:22,879 --> 00:24:24,379 I don't want any motioning to me. 506 00:24:24,422 --> 00:24:27,592 I went to Judge Cowart and to Harry Morrison, 507 00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:29,053 who was the state attorney, 508 00:24:29,093 --> 00:24:30,973 and said, "Here's my dilemma. 509 00:24:31,012 --> 00:24:32,352 "We have the indictment. 510 00:24:32,388 --> 00:24:34,348 "I want to get it out of the way, 511 00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:36,480 "but the media wants to be there." 512 00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:37,807 Judge Cowart said, 513 00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:40,522 "Sheriff, read that indictment tonight." 514 00:24:40,563 --> 00:24:41,903 I have copies for you. 515 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:42,939 You do. 516 00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:44,072 I have copies of the indictment 517 00:24:44,108 --> 00:24:45,898 to give each of you, so you're not... 518 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:47,073 Harry Morrison, the state attorney said, 519 00:24:47,111 --> 00:24:48,361 "I agree. It's your jail; 520 00:24:48,404 --> 00:24:50,454 "it's your inmate. Handle it." 521 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,329 I said, "Okay." 522 00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:55,486 I had no idea how he was going to react. 523 00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:02,924 Gentlemen, I'm not to be paraded. 524 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,340 Step out, Mr. Bundy. 525 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:10,508 What do we have here, Ken? 526 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:11,551 Let's see. 527 00:25:11,594 --> 00:25:13,144 It's an indictment. All right. 528 00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:14,639 Why don't you read it to me? 529 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,720 You're up for election aren't you? 530 00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:17,766 Mr. Bundy... 531 00:25:17,808 --> 00:25:18,808 You got it, didn't you? 532 00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:20,061 Mr. Bundy... 533 00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:21,352 You told them that you were gonna get me. 534 00:25:21,395 --> 00:25:22,975 He said he was gonna get me, okay? 535 00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,522 You've got the indictment. It's all you're gonna get. 536 00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:27,856 Let's read it. Let's go. 537 00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:30,452 Theodore Robert Bundy, you are charged... 538 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,278 Ken Katsaris realized what a bounty he had, 539 00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:36,294 and I just thought he was, you know, a guy on the way up, 540 00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:38,157 a showman, 541 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,924 and I think he saw this as an opportunity 542 00:25:40,957 --> 00:25:44,957 to get local state but also national media 543 00:25:45,002 --> 00:25:48,552 by putting someone on display in his care, 544 00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:50,379 which was not ethical at all. 545 00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,434 He was willing to risk a show 546 00:25:52,468 --> 00:25:54,348 to sort of trot him out. 547 00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:57,177 Unprecedented, no legal reason for the show 548 00:25:57,223 --> 00:26:00,393 other than just seeking publicity for himself, 549 00:26:00,434 --> 00:26:01,604 as Katsaris. 550 00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,944 Now, in Bundy he had a willing victim. 551 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:08,570 I mean, Bundy realized the media could help him, 552 00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:10,359 because it had in the past, 553 00:26:10,403 --> 00:26:13,533 to humanize him. 554 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:17,912 And so any opportunity he got to use the press, 555 00:26:17,952 --> 00:26:19,122 he would use. 556 00:26:19,161 --> 00:26:20,541 ...the death of said Lisa Levy. 557 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,079 My chance to talk to the press. 558 00:26:22,123 --> 00:26:24,923 Contrary to section 78204 Florida Statute. 559 00:26:24,959 --> 00:26:26,539 I'll plead not guilty right now. 560 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:29,005 And your grand jurors being present... 561 00:26:29,046 --> 00:26:31,086 Obviously I got a lot of criticism 562 00:26:31,132 --> 00:26:35,392 because the media got to see the indictment reading. 563 00:26:35,428 --> 00:26:38,258 But they got a chance to see Ted Bundy 564 00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:42,436 with those eyes piercing, and him saying, 565 00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:45,806 "I am gonna plead not guilty right now." 566 00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,105 I've been kept in isolation for six months. 567 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:49,939 I've been kept away from the press. 568 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,284 I've been buried by you. 569 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:52,819 You've been talking for six months. 570 00:26:52,862 --> 00:26:56,242 I think it's my turn now. All right? 571 00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:57,662 We got a court order that you-- 572 00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:58,870 there wont be any press interviews. 573 00:26:58,909 --> 00:27:00,289 Sure there won't be any press interviews. 574 00:27:00,328 --> 00:27:02,458 You've given them out. I'm gagged, you're not. 575 00:27:02,496 --> 00:27:03,496 Okay. 576 00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:04,539 will read you your rights. 577 00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:05,672 I'll be heard. 578 00:27:05,708 --> 00:27:07,748 He was a guy powerless at this point, 579 00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:11,513 in a jumpsuit, being subjected to a show 580 00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:14,337 by someone who had complete control over his life. 581 00:27:14,383 --> 00:27:17,303 It changed the balance, because before that, 582 00:27:17,345 --> 00:27:19,715 the feelings against Ted were running very high. 583 00:27:19,764 --> 00:27:21,354 I mean, the feelings in Tallahassee 584 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,850 were very, very raw in these killings 585 00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:25,643 and the injuring of these women, 586 00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:29,566 and it may have slowed down the sort of community-wide anger 587 00:27:29,607 --> 00:27:33,397 and fear that had been generated by Ted. 588 00:27:33,444 --> 00:27:36,034 I have to say that when I look at that tape, 589 00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:40,122 it really looks like a media event. 590 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:41,909 See what I'm saying? 591 00:27:41,952 --> 00:27:43,912 That's why I never responded. 592 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:45,504 Everybody has their own opinion. 593 00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:46,919 But what's your response to that? 594 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:47,997 What do you say to that? 595 00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:51,302 I don't care what you think. 596 00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:52,417 While the trial was getting underway 597 00:27:52,463 --> 00:27:53,633 here at the courthouse, 598 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,262 the 8th floor of the bank building next door 599 00:27:55,299 --> 00:27:57,009 was buzzing with activity. 600 00:27:57,051 --> 00:28:01,141 Theodore Robert Bundy is national news. 601 00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:02,850 The Bundy trial, in effect, 602 00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:07,350 was the OJ trial of 1979. 603 00:28:07,395 --> 00:28:09,265 Three key things happened in court today 604 00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:11,613 as the murder trial of Ted Bundy continues 605 00:28:11,649 --> 00:28:14,739 in these three days of free trial hearings. 606 00:28:14,777 --> 00:28:16,817 The major surprise came late in the afternoon 607 00:28:16,862 --> 00:28:19,952 when Bundy, wearing a Seattle Mariners T-shirt, 608 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,450 took the stand... 609 00:28:21,492 --> 00:28:23,622 We knew we had a big story. 610 00:28:23,661 --> 00:28:25,661 We knew that it was a first 611 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:28,374 in terms of a big, national, international trial 612 00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:29,826 on television. 613 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,585 Tonight, Ted Bundy and cameras in the courtroom. 614 00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:34,378 We're in the newsroom on the ninth floor 615 00:28:34,422 --> 00:28:37,762 of the Metro Justice building, five floors above the courtroom. 616 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,510 Keep your pieces short 617 00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:42,812 so that we can all get on the air. 618 00:28:42,847 --> 00:28:44,347 Smile, Ted. 619 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,560 I mean, the networks were there. 620 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:46,559 We had a feed room. 621 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,060 We built a newsroom in a courthouse. 622 00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:50,733 If the verdict is guilty of murder 623 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:51,941 in the first degree, 624 00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:53,571 Bundy could be sentenced to die. 625 00:28:53,607 --> 00:28:57,527 You had young women who had been brutally murdered 626 00:28:57,570 --> 00:29:00,820 by a really good-looking guy that didn't fit the pattern. 627 00:29:00,865 --> 00:29:02,365 I mean, it had all the elements. 628 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:05,238 It was made for TV, and TV was there. 629 00:29:05,286 --> 00:29:08,956 Three, two, one. 630 00:29:08,998 --> 00:29:10,288 Here he comes. 631 00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:12,632 Is anybody using a walkie-talkie on this floor? 632 00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:14,708 You're breaking up the feed! 633 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,843 Get ready, Larry, it's coming up. 634 00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:20,973 Murder trials are drama more than anything else. 635 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:22,300 They're ritualized dramas: 636 00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:23,934 a beginning, a middle, and an end. 637 00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:26,811 There's usually a resolution, unlike many things in life. 638 00:29:26,849 --> 00:29:28,479 I prefer to be in the courtroom every day 639 00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:30,477 because that's just the way I do what I do. 640 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,649 Sometimes you just feel something in the courtroom, 641 00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,479 a look on somebody's face, you know, 642 00:29:35,524 --> 00:29:38,074 an intake of breath in the jury box. 643 00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:39,200 During what might be the most 644 00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:41,156 brutally descriptive day of testimony, 645 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,237 Ted Bundy looked more like a defence attorney 646 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:46,082 than a defendant on trial for his life. 647 00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:48,118 When Ted insisted on defending himself, 648 00:29:48,162 --> 00:29:50,832 he wanted to show that he was a competent lawyer 649 00:29:50,873 --> 00:29:52,373 in the making. 650 00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:56,416 But then I think the limelight infected him in some way, 651 00:29:56,462 --> 00:29:59,172 and I think he was really then playing to this 652 00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:01,125 much larger audience than that 12 people 653 00:30:01,175 --> 00:30:02,545 in the jury box. 654 00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:04,143 You gonna talk to me, or are you gonna talk to them? 655 00:30:04,178 --> 00:30:05,598 I'm gonna show this to Mr. Miller. 656 00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,848 He was focused on managing his image, 657 00:30:08,891 --> 00:30:11,691 but when he stood up to question a witness, 658 00:30:11,727 --> 00:30:13,807 it wasn't because there was a point to it, 659 00:30:13,854 --> 00:30:16,484 it was he was standing up to question a witness, 660 00:30:16,524 --> 00:30:18,444 and they caught that on camera. 661 00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,444 Do you recall her telling you that she... 662 00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,736 she remembers the assailant being young? 663 00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:24,320 Objection. 664 00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:26,445 And he looked like a lawyer and he asked questions, 665 00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:28,872 his mouth moved, and so, you know, 666 00:30:28,911 --> 00:30:30,201 therefore the public would say, 667 00:30:30,246 --> 00:30:33,366 "Wow, that's amazing. This guy's like a lawyer." 668 00:30:33,415 --> 00:30:37,035 And the fact that the press, you know, responded to him 669 00:30:37,086 --> 00:30:39,046 just encouraged him. 670 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,430 I thought he enjoyed it too much. 671 00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:46,887 I would see him on TV carrying boxes of legal documents, 672 00:30:46,929 --> 00:30:49,639 and playing the role of attorney 673 00:30:49,682 --> 00:30:53,442 like this is his big chance to act like an attorney. 674 00:30:53,477 --> 00:30:56,147 It was just bizarre. 675 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:57,818 Nita, do you see the man that you saw 676 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:01,436 at the door of the Chi Omega house on January 15, 1978, 677 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:04,950 Yes, I believe I do. 678 00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:07,279 I was at my grandparents' house in the summer, 679 00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:09,874 and it was my habit to watch TV in the mornings 680 00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:11,580 down there, and... 681 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:17,590 This is the first time that I've seen him in life. 682 00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,416 I would sit and watch this every day, 683 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,381 and nobody really understood what I was watching. 684 00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:25,383 ...and I think I recognize it now better 685 00:31:25,426 --> 00:31:28,006 than I ever have before. 686 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,313 That was the moment for me 687 00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:31,676 where I just... my whole world shifted 688 00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:35,984 and I saw him as something entirely different. 689 00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:38,520 It's one thing to know that someone's probably guilty, 690 00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:41,074 but it's another thing to really understand 691 00:31:41,108 --> 00:31:43,188 guilty of what. 692 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:46,155 My jaw was broken in three places. 693 00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:49,736 I had lacerations on my shoulder 694 00:31:49,783 --> 00:31:52,413 and like whiplash on my neck. 695 00:31:52,453 --> 00:31:55,753 And I had cuts on my head. 696 00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:57,789 I had a broken jaw. 697 00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:00,093 Some of my teeth were knocked out. 698 00:32:00,127 --> 00:32:03,797 It was... 699 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,719 really... 700 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,140 so shattering to see 701 00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:14,141 these murdered women, 702 00:32:14,183 --> 00:32:17,773 to see the evidence that depicted their smashed heads, 703 00:32:17,811 --> 00:32:21,861 and... 704 00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:25,529 hear about the physical things 705 00:32:25,569 --> 00:32:27,319 that were inflicted upon them, 706 00:32:27,363 --> 00:32:30,823 and see the evidence of such. 707 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:34,826 It was horrendous. 708 00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:39,210 And I knew. 709 00:32:43,087 --> 00:32:46,507 It's just like, where do you get disbelief 710 00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:49,928 at that point? 711 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,888 I couldn't find it, and I loved him very much. 712 00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:57,688 Still? 713 00:32:57,726 --> 00:33:01,646 At that time, yes, I loved him very much. 714 00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:10,566 There were some journalists who felt 715 00:33:10,614 --> 00:33:12,454 that Bundy was innocent, 716 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,331 that he couldn't have done this. 717 00:33:16,745 --> 00:33:19,075 He was relaxed and confident in court, 718 00:33:19,123 --> 00:33:21,043 and took the time to chat a few minutes with me 719 00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:23,463 about Seattle, about his family, 720 00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:25,302 and to welcome me to Miami, 721 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:27,627 smiling when the guard very obviously wanted 722 00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:29,803 our conversation to end. 723 00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:33,262 He got coverage that fell for his act. 724 00:33:33,303 --> 00:33:35,263 That was a failure on the part of the press, 725 00:33:35,305 --> 00:33:38,095 a failure to look deeper and think harder 726 00:33:38,142 --> 00:33:41,852 about what it was they were dealing with. 727 00:33:46,275 --> 00:33:47,895 Theodore Robert Bundy at age 25, 728 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:50,403 a Republican campaign worker in Seattle. 729 00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:52,986 At 28, a University of Utah law student. 730 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,911 At 30, a Colorado jail escapee 731 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,490 and one of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted men. 732 00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:58,946 That must've been a terrifying moment 733 00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,956 for this young man who has maintained his innocence 734 00:34:00,998 --> 00:34:04,838 in every crime he has been accused of. 735 00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:08,667 It's a discounting of the stories of the women 736 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:13,224 in favour of the central hero, 737 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:14,680 for lack of a better word, 738 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,930 being the most important character in the narrative. 739 00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:19,933 Each day the courtroom is filled with spectators 740 00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:22,805 drawn by a fascination with Theodore Bundy himself, 741 00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:25,403 or by the gruesome details of the crimes. 742 00:34:25,439 --> 00:34:28,069 You try to imagine yourself in his place 743 00:34:28,108 --> 00:34:29,528 and to see how he's feeling, 744 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:31,858 looking at the pillows with bloodstains and everything, 745 00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:34,324 if he really did it or not. 746 00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:35,954 It scares me be in the same room with him, 747 00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:39,911 but I know there's other people in there, so... 748 00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:41,213 Why do you do it? 749 00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:42,916 I don't know. 750 00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:44,746 But one woman who has been at the trial 751 00:34:44,792 --> 00:34:45,962 for the past four days, 752 00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:47,381 and who frequently confers with Bundy, 753 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,459 has another impression entirely. 754 00:34:49,505 --> 00:34:52,215 Carole Boone believes Bundy is completely innocent. 755 00:34:52,257 --> 00:34:54,337 Some have called her his girlfriend. 756 00:34:54,384 --> 00:34:58,764 She prefers to be known as just a close personal friend. 757 00:34:58,806 --> 00:35:00,216 In the beginning people were saying, 758 00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:03,095 "Have you heard about this woman, Carole Boone?" 759 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:06,233 She was in the courtroom I think pretty much every day. 760 00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:09,401 She was not expressive, 761 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,321 except for this weird smile she had 762 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,070 when she would talk about stuff. 763 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,162 She was just a little strange, 764 00:35:16,198 --> 00:35:18,028 and no matter what happened, 765 00:35:18,075 --> 00:35:19,825 no matter what the day's testimony was, 766 00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:21,698 she would have an explanation for why it was wrong 767 00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,865 or not incriminating. 768 00:35:23,914 --> 00:35:25,674 Carole Boone says she first met Ted Bundy 769 00:35:25,707 --> 00:35:27,707 five years ago when they worked in the same office 770 00:35:27,751 --> 00:35:29,381 in Seattle, Washington. 771 00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:30,919 Since that time, she has followed him, 772 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,673 helping him prepare his legal cases, from Utah, 773 00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:36,085 where he was convicted of kidnapping a young woman, 774 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:39,224 to Colorado, where he is suspected of murdering another, 775 00:35:39,263 --> 00:35:40,813 and finally now to Florida. 776 00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:43,848 Let me put it this way. I... I don't think that... 777 00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:45,522 that Ted belongs in jail. 778 00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:48,111 The things in Florida don't concern me. 779 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,356 Carole would come up and just talk to 780 00:35:50,399 --> 00:35:52,989 individual reporters, and my memory is 781 00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:57,236 that she would be spinning for Ted. 782 00:35:57,281 --> 00:36:00,371 She was definitely talking on his behalf, 783 00:36:00,409 --> 00:36:02,789 and she seemed absolutely sincere. 784 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:04,538 Boone says she has twice been allowed 785 00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:05,750 to visit Bundy in jail 786 00:36:05,789 --> 00:36:08,209 since he was brought to Miami six days ago. 787 00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:13,420 She describes him as nervous but cautiously hopeful. 788 00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:14,923 Well, what did you make of him 789 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,045 taking up with Carole Boone? 790 00:36:19,386 --> 00:36:22,256 I'm just glad it wasn't me. 791 00:36:22,306 --> 00:36:24,766 I'll call Carole Boone. 792 00:36:24,808 --> 00:36:26,688 I just felt like she's gonna be 793 00:36:26,727 --> 00:36:28,807 just as roped in as I was, 794 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,694 she's gonna be used just like I was. 795 00:36:31,732 --> 00:36:34,282 This isn't gonna end well for her. 796 00:36:34,318 --> 00:36:37,648 And are you familiar with the defendant, myself? 797 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:38,736 Yes. 798 00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:39,740 And how long have you known me? 799 00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,031 Since May of 1974. 800 00:36:42,075 --> 00:36:45,445 He had spent a lifetime observing women 801 00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,995 and deciding which was going to become a victim, 802 00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:51,171 and I think he could tell 803 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:54,709 when women had the codependence issue 804 00:36:54,755 --> 00:36:59,465 where they wanted to help him in any way they could. 805 00:36:59,509 --> 00:37:01,719 I don't think they had reason to charge Ted Bundy 806 00:37:01,762 --> 00:37:05,352 with... with murder in either Leon County or... 807 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:06,890 or Columbia County. 808 00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:09,104 You know, all the facts of the case, 809 00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:11,654 I don't understand how she made it through all of that 810 00:37:11,688 --> 00:37:13,858 and still believed in him. 811 00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,069 What is that picture of? 812 00:37:15,108 --> 00:37:19,398 That's a photograph of you, 813 00:37:19,446 --> 00:37:22,816 taken several years ago, before you were in custody. 814 00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,656 But I do believe she believed in him. 815 00:37:25,702 --> 00:37:26,912 I mean, I can't judge her. 816 00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:31,674 I can't judge any single person, you know, in this story. 817 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,288 I mean, we all just did the best we could. 818 00:37:34,336 --> 00:37:38,506 But I don't-- I'm not sure why her story went like that. 819 00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:41,343 ... that these two right here, 820 00:37:41,385 --> 00:37:45,715 which are State's exhibits number six and seven... 821 00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,064 On one of the days that they presented 822 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:48,979 the autopsy photographs, 823 00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:51,187 what I was seeing was the graphic evidence 824 00:37:51,228 --> 00:37:53,228 of the damage he did to these women. 825 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:57,651 You know, they're horrific pictures, horrible stuff. 826 00:37:57,693 --> 00:37:58,743 As I looked at these women, 827 00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:01,447 these women looked like women who I knew. 828 00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:03,318 I was the same age as Bundy. 829 00:38:03,365 --> 00:38:05,865 I was still on the fringes of a college campus, 830 00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:08,409 and these were faces of people 831 00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:10,663 that I could see on my own campus 832 00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:12,916 in my own college town. 833 00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:15,628 On that day, I left the trial coverage 834 00:38:15,669 --> 00:38:17,879 and was having dinner with another journalist 835 00:38:17,921 --> 00:38:19,511 and I just in the middle of dinner, 836 00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:23,468 I just started to weep because it was so horrific. 837 00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:26,220 How could you maintain that intensity 838 00:38:26,263 --> 00:38:29,523 of hatred for women 839 00:38:29,558 --> 00:38:32,848 and be able to do this time after time after time? 840 00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:51,615 The verdict is in. 841 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,213 Guilty on seven counts, 842 00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:54,998 including assault and burglary, 843 00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,002 attempted murder, and murder. 844 00:38:57,044 --> 00:38:59,304 At this point, the judge has recessed the jury 845 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:00,707 until Saturday morning. 846 00:39:00,756 --> 00:39:03,086 At that time, the 12 members will decide 847 00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:05,723 whether to recommend the death penalty. 848 00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:07,221 This court, independent of, 849 00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:10,142 but in agreement with, the advisor's sentence 850 00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:11,602 rendered by the jury 851 00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:14,191 does hereby impose the death penalty 852 00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:16,607 upon the defendant, Theodore Robert Bundy. 853 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:20,026 All of us who covered that trial can remember 854 00:39:20,067 --> 00:39:23,987 categorically what he said to Bundy 855 00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:27,659 when he-- after he sentenced him to die. 856 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,369 Take care of yourself, young man. 857 00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:30,369 Thank you. 858 00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:32,080 I say that to you sincerely. 859 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,000 Take care of yourself. 860 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,669 It's a tragedy for this court to see 861 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,878 such a total waste, I think, of humanity 862 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,630 that I have experienced in this court. 863 00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:44,381 You're a bright young man. 864 00:39:44,424 --> 00:39:45,634 You'd have made a good lawyer. 865 00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,585 I'd have loved to have you practice in front of me, 866 00:39:47,636 --> 00:39:50,386 but you went another way, partner. 867 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:51,720 Take care of yourself. 868 00:39:51,765 --> 00:39:53,345 I don't have any animosity to you. 869 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,731 I want you to know it. Take care of yourself. 870 00:39:55,769 --> 00:39:59,149 - Thank you. - Court will be in recess. 871 00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:01,779 That he would say that to him with no concern 872 00:40:01,817 --> 00:40:05,737 really for what these women actually experienced... 873 00:40:05,779 --> 00:40:07,489 It's almost paying homage to him, 874 00:40:07,531 --> 00:40:09,951 and that is a scary, scary thing. 875 00:40:09,991 --> 00:40:11,121 Following this court case, 876 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,409 he will stand trial in Lake City, Florida 877 00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:14,873 for another death, 878 00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:18,583 that of 12-year-old Kimberly Anne Leach. 879 00:40:25,549 --> 00:40:27,679 Wearing a blue bowtie and a big grin, 880 00:40:27,717 --> 00:40:30,637 Theodore Bundy faced the jury for the last time. 881 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,179 They reconvened to hear testimony from both sides 882 00:40:33,223 --> 00:40:35,853 before deciding whether to recommend life in prison 883 00:40:35,892 --> 00:40:37,642 or the death penalty. 884 00:40:37,686 --> 00:40:40,806 The defence called only one witness, Carole Boone. 885 00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:42,186 Acting as his own lawyer, 886 00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:44,822 Bundy questioned her about his character. 887 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,820 She said he's a kind, warm, patient man, 888 00:40:47,863 --> 00:40:50,123 a very positive part of her life. 889 00:40:50,157 --> 00:40:52,907 Then the convicted man popped the question. 890 00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:55,501 - Will you marry me? - Yes, I will. 891 00:40:55,537 --> 00:40:58,077 Then I do hereby marry you, okay. 892 00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:01,253 When they got married, I just thought... 893 00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:02,673 I felt slightly disgusted 894 00:41:02,711 --> 00:41:06,551 just because it was such a Ted... 895 00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:10,720 showboating type thing to do. 896 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,510 He married her on the stand, 897 00:41:14,556 --> 00:41:17,846 at the trial of this girl 898 00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:21,563 who he... 899 00:41:21,605 --> 00:41:25,065 raped and mutilated and murdered, 900 00:41:25,108 --> 00:41:27,688 and... 901 00:41:27,736 --> 00:41:31,276 every year that I have gained since then, 902 00:41:31,323 --> 00:41:36,373 I think about her and the years that she did not gain. 903 00:41:39,372 --> 00:41:40,922 The prosecution called the marriage proposal 904 00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:43,247 a charade, and asked the jury to consider 905 00:41:43,293 --> 00:41:45,303 the timing of the announcement. 906 00:41:45,337 --> 00:41:47,837 The jury deliberated about 45 minutes. 907 00:41:47,881 --> 00:41:51,181 They came back with a decision of death. 908 00:41:51,218 --> 00:41:52,968 A majority of the jury advise and recommend 909 00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:55,181 to the court that it impose the death penalty 910 00:41:55,222 --> 00:41:57,392 upon the defendant, Theodore Robert Bundy, 911 00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:59,602 dated this 9th day of February, 1980, 912 00:41:59,643 --> 00:42:01,983 in Orlando, Orange County, Florida. 913 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:04,230 It is further ordered that you, Theodore Robert Bundy, 914 00:42:04,272 --> 00:42:05,862 be taken by the proper authority 915 00:42:05,899 --> 00:42:08,279 to the Florida State Prison, and there be kept 916 00:42:08,318 --> 00:42:12,358 and closely confined till the date of your execution is set. 917 00:42:22,165 --> 00:42:23,535 I mean, so many women died, 918 00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:25,923 and I just felt like, "Why am I still alive?" 919 00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:27,841 And I was miserable. 920 00:42:27,879 --> 00:42:30,379 I think about the fear that they must've felt 921 00:42:30,423 --> 00:42:33,183 once this charming man turned into the monster 922 00:42:33,218 --> 00:42:35,848 that he was. 923 00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:38,597 I just felt decimated. 924 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,730 That I was a complete failure as a human being 925 00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:45,268 and as a mother, 926 00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:48,733 and... 927 00:42:48,775 --> 00:42:52,025 that I really didn't deserve 928 00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:55,120 to be alive. 929 00:42:57,659 --> 00:43:00,249 And I should be dead too.