1 00:00:12,972 --> 00:00:14,272 There was a composite picture 2 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:16,348 in the paper of the suspect. 3 00:00:16,392 --> 00:00:19,852 I looked at it over and over and over again. 4 00:00:19,895 --> 00:00:22,145 I was really gripped by fear. 5 00:00:22,189 --> 00:00:24,649 I couldn't let it go. 6 00:00:24,692 --> 00:00:27,032 So I took the picture 7 00:00:27,069 --> 00:00:29,159 and went down to my friend and showed her, 8 00:00:29,196 --> 00:00:30,946 and we both were kind of stunned 9 00:00:30,990 --> 00:00:33,160 by how much it looked like Ted. 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,620 So she and I called the police anonymously 11 00:00:36,662 --> 00:00:39,672 from a telephone booth and asked them, 12 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:41,917 "Did he have a watch on his right arm?" 13 00:00:41,959 --> 00:00:44,499 Because Ted wore his watch on his right wrist. 14 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:47,795 And they said, "Well, nobody's reported that." 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,550 So we asked them, "Is the Volkswagen really bronze?" 16 00:00:50,593 --> 00:00:53,643 Because his car was very dull brown, 17 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:55,679 and they said yes, it was bronze, 18 00:00:55,723 --> 00:00:58,313 so it was like, " that's not my Ted, then." 19 00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:02,645 After I took my friend home, 20 00:01:02,688 --> 00:01:05,518 I went over to Ted's house. 21 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:08,486 And we laid on his floor and talked, 22 00:01:08,527 --> 00:01:10,777 and he was just Ted. 23 00:01:10,821 --> 00:01:14,031 I felt crazy, like, "Why would I even think this?" 24 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:15,744 'Cause I'd had four years with this man. 25 00:01:15,785 --> 00:01:20,915 I knew that he wasn't capable of doing these things. 26 00:01:20,956 --> 00:01:22,706 And yet... 27 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:25,670 It turns out that he was. 28 00:02:17,513 --> 00:02:19,813 It was some grouse hunters. 29 00:02:19,849 --> 00:02:22,059 They were hunting grouse in the area, 30 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:25,434 and they found one of the skulls there. 31 00:02:25,469 --> 00:02:28,726 With the proximity to the Sammamish Park, 32 00:02:28,774 --> 00:02:31,944 I felt that it was definitely going to be something big. 33 00:02:34,572 --> 00:02:36,322 I had been a lifeguard at that state park 34 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:37,575 for three years, 35 00:02:37,616 --> 00:02:41,866 and had lived very close to where the crime scene was, 36 00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:45,542 and so I knew that area extremely well. 37 00:02:45,583 --> 00:02:48,503 Both Ott and Naslund, 38 00:02:48,544 --> 00:02:51,264 the two women that were taken from Lake Sammamish, 39 00:02:51,297 --> 00:02:53,377 were found there. 40 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,220 We had them on their hands and knees, 41 00:03:00,264 --> 00:03:01,854 shoulder to shoulder, 42 00:03:01,891 --> 00:03:07,901 going through weeds in the grass. 43 00:03:07,938 --> 00:03:11,318 With Janice Ott, we found her lower jawbone, 44 00:03:11,358 --> 00:03:12,688 so we knew that was her. 45 00:03:12,735 --> 00:03:15,195 And with Denise Naslund, we found her skull 46 00:03:15,237 --> 00:03:19,117 and her jawbone, so we knew that was her. 47 00:03:19,158 --> 00:03:23,248 We found four different femur bones. 48 00:03:23,287 --> 00:03:25,867 So who were the other two? We didn't know. 49 00:03:25,915 --> 00:03:29,035 We suspected that it might be Georgann Hawkins. 50 00:03:29,084 --> 00:03:33,094 But we had not other identifiable parts. 51 00:03:36,467 --> 00:03:39,387 Ted had moved to Utah. 52 00:03:39,428 --> 00:03:43,888 He was going to law school at the University of Utah. 53 00:03:43,933 --> 00:03:47,773 We were trying to have a long distance relationship. 54 00:03:47,811 --> 00:03:50,481 Even though I was still suspicious of him, 55 00:03:50,522 --> 00:03:53,152 I liked being around him because he was just his regular self 56 00:03:53,192 --> 00:03:57,322 and my fears would dissipate. 57 00:03:57,363 --> 00:04:01,243 I really wanted him to ask me to go with him, 58 00:04:01,283 --> 00:04:03,453 and it was really unclear about whether we were going to 59 00:04:03,494 --> 00:04:06,044 move together or not. 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,630 And so things were just... 61 00:04:09,667 --> 00:04:13,587 they felt out of step. 62 00:04:14,588 --> 00:04:19,548 NewsWatch 2 at 6. 63 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:21,603 I was a reporter at KUTV, 64 00:04:21,637 --> 00:04:23,927 the NBC station at that time. 65 00:04:23,973 --> 00:04:27,273 I was the first female television reporter there. 66 00:04:27,309 --> 00:04:28,519 Standby, here we go. 67 00:04:30,604 --> 00:04:32,314 I spent my life in Utah 68 00:04:32,356 --> 00:04:35,476 pushing into a male-dominated world. 69 00:04:35,526 --> 00:04:36,686 Let's see. 70 00:04:36,735 --> 00:04:38,945 I didn't focus on the fact that I was 71 00:04:38,988 --> 00:04:40,608 the only female out there. 72 00:04:40,656 --> 00:04:41,866 What am I saying? 73 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:43,777 I loved my job more than life itself, 74 00:04:43,826 --> 00:04:46,996 and I just put my head down and did my job. 75 00:04:47,037 --> 00:04:48,537 Heavy snow landed on travellers 76 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:49,960 in the Midwest. 77 00:04:49,999 --> 00:04:51,499 Got a couple of months with real heavy snowfall. 78 00:04:51,542 --> 00:04:53,462 We had a number of ball games today. 79 00:04:53,502 --> 00:04:55,382 This is Sandi Gilmour, NewsWatch 2. 80 00:04:55,421 --> 00:04:57,591 Barbara Grossman, NewsWatch 2, 81 00:04:57,631 --> 00:04:59,381 at the Salt Lake Hall of Justice. 82 00:04:59,425 --> 00:05:01,465 For a female to come out and have 83 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:05,640 as visible of a job that I had 84 00:05:05,681 --> 00:05:07,351 and obviously wasn't Mormon, 85 00:05:07,391 --> 00:05:09,231 with the last name of Grossman, 86 00:05:09,268 --> 00:05:11,558 it was challenging. 87 00:05:11,603 --> 00:05:13,813 Our reporter Barbara Grossman has covered... 88 00:05:13,856 --> 00:05:16,186 When Senator Hubert Humphrey came to town 89 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:17,903 there was a press conference, 90 00:05:17,943 --> 00:05:21,863 and I kept trying to ask my questions, 91 00:05:21,905 --> 00:05:23,945 and the male reporters there 92 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:26,831 wouldn't let me interject my questions. 93 00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:28,329 And after a while Senator Humphrey 94 00:05:28,370 --> 00:05:32,250 stopped the press conference and said, 95 00:05:32,291 --> 00:05:34,461 "Gentlemen, I'm going to teach you a lesson, 96 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:37,171 "and that is women have the same rights as men. 97 00:05:37,212 --> 00:05:40,222 "So you all need to sit down and let this young lady 98 00:05:40,257 --> 00:05:41,507 "ask her questions." 99 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:43,720 I mean, I always knew in my heart I was equal, 100 00:05:43,761 --> 00:05:46,471 but boy, that gave me ammunition. 101 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:48,643 Thank you very much Barbara. 102 00:05:48,682 --> 00:05:51,392 An update on Utah's drought picture. 103 00:05:51,435 --> 00:05:53,435 And we'll have the reasons 104 00:05:53,479 --> 00:05:55,939 why Utah's Humane Society director resigned. 105 00:05:55,981 --> 00:05:56,981 That's coming up. 106 00:05:58,275 --> 00:06:00,435 You know, there aren't a lot of big stories, 107 00:06:00,486 --> 00:06:02,946 especially back then, that happened in Salt Lake City. 108 00:06:02,988 --> 00:06:05,618 And then it was like, "" you know? 109 00:06:05,657 --> 00:06:08,367 "Here we are and girls are disappearing." 110 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:10,290 It seemed to be like every Friday night. 111 00:06:10,329 --> 00:06:14,289 There was a pattern, and people were frightened. 112 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:17,043 These girls being taken off the streets. 113 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:24,507 A few weeks after Ted left Seattle for Utah, 114 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:27,351 my friend went home to visit her parents 115 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,097 and when I picked her up at the airport, 116 00:06:29,139 --> 00:06:31,929 the first thing she said when she got in the car was, 117 00:06:31,975 --> 00:06:33,595 "I don't want to scare you, but it's happening 118 00:06:33,644 --> 00:06:37,234 "down there in Utah." 119 00:06:37,272 --> 00:06:39,022 She heard on the car radio 120 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:44,106 the Police Chief of Midvale's daughter had been missing 121 00:06:44,154 --> 00:06:47,574 and her body had been found by deer hunters 122 00:06:47,616 --> 00:06:50,866 and the abductions had stopped here. 123 00:06:50,911 --> 00:06:52,621 There were all these coincidences. 124 00:06:52,663 --> 00:06:55,583 It's like... I couldn't let it go. 125 00:06:55,624 --> 00:07:01,714 It scared me out of my wits. 126 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:06,005 So the next day I called King County in Seattle, 127 00:07:06,051 --> 00:07:08,221 and the detective who answered the phone 128 00:07:08,262 --> 00:07:09,762 was really patient, 129 00:07:09,805 --> 00:07:14,055 because I told him in one of those big long stings of, 130 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:16,191 I know I'm wrong, but I'm having these thoughts 131 00:07:16,228 --> 00:07:19,608 type sentences, and so he just listened. 132 00:07:19,648 --> 00:07:21,648 And I said, "Well, my boyfriend's name is Ted, 133 00:07:21,692 --> 00:07:23,192 "and he drives a Volkswagen," 134 00:07:23,235 --> 00:07:25,065 and the detective stopped me and he said, 135 00:07:25,112 --> 00:07:29,032 "You don't mean Theodore Robert Bundy, do you?" 136 00:07:29,074 --> 00:07:30,784 He said they'd already looked at him 137 00:07:30,826 --> 00:07:33,696 and just didn't think he looked like a good candidate. 138 00:07:33,745 --> 00:07:36,075 And he said, "Well, let's get together 139 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:38,083 "and talk some more about this." 140 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:39,745 And so I agreed to do that. 141 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:42,053 And we went through the albums that I have 142 00:07:42,087 --> 00:07:47,127 of pictures of Ted, and he took a few. 143 00:07:47,176 --> 00:07:49,256 After I had met with him, I felt like, 144 00:07:49,303 --> 00:07:50,933 "Well, he's the pro. 145 00:07:50,971 --> 00:07:53,221 "He's gonna check it out, 146 00:07:53,265 --> 00:07:54,975 "and he'll give me the definitive answer." 147 00:07:55,017 --> 00:07:57,387 So I finally called him back and asked him 148 00:07:57,436 --> 00:08:01,436 if he'd had a chance to show those pictures to the witness. 149 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:05,241 And it was like he just couldn't remember who I was. 150 00:08:05,277 --> 00:08:08,857 You know, I'd told him all about our sex life, 151 00:08:08,906 --> 00:08:11,486 and he just kind of... 152 00:08:11,533 --> 00:08:13,543 It's like, "Who is this again?" 153 00:08:13,577 --> 00:08:16,407 It's like... and to me it was like the main-- 154 00:08:16,455 --> 00:08:18,165 it was so significant. 155 00:08:18,207 --> 00:08:20,497 To him it was just like, "Who?" 156 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:22,212 And then he said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." 157 00:08:22,252 --> 00:08:24,382 And he said they showed the pictures to the witness. 158 00:08:24,421 --> 00:08:28,341 She went through the pile, said this man was too old. 159 00:08:28,383 --> 00:08:30,893 We were still together long distance, 160 00:08:30,928 --> 00:08:33,258 and I just thought, you know, 161 00:08:33,305 --> 00:08:34,925 the police have checked him out. 162 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:36,483 He's not their guy, 163 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:39,686 so stop trying to convict your boyfriend 164 00:08:39,728 --> 00:08:41,898 is what I was telling myself. 165 00:08:45,651 --> 00:08:48,611 She was my secretary then, 166 00:08:48,654 --> 00:08:50,534 and so that's when I got to know Liz 167 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:53,622 a lot better than before. 168 00:08:53,659 --> 00:08:56,539 Once in a while I would get those signs 169 00:08:56,578 --> 00:08:58,998 and little traces that she needed the little bit 170 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:03,089 of sympathy and understanding. 171 00:09:03,126 --> 00:09:04,666 And I would take her into my office, 172 00:09:04,711 --> 00:09:06,591 which was next door. 173 00:09:06,630 --> 00:09:09,930 You say, "Are you all right? Are you feeling okay?" 174 00:09:09,967 --> 00:09:12,177 She went so quiet, 175 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:15,849 and you could tell that she didn't want to talk 176 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:19,849 and I sure didn't want to pry. 177 00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:22,903 And so... 178 00:09:22,938 --> 00:09:26,858 sad to watch it. 179 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:33,870 I do have pretty good recollection; 180 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:36,787 I was probably nine or ten, 181 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:38,827 visiting with him in Utah. 182 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:40,500 You know, he was going to law school 183 00:09:40,539 --> 00:09:42,119 and he had sent me home early. 184 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:45,995 I was really upset with him, 'cause it was out of the blue. 185 00:09:46,044 --> 00:09:47,094 He said in a way that, you know, 186 00:09:47,129 --> 00:09:49,009 "I got something really important to do. 187 00:09:49,047 --> 00:09:52,177 "I really-- yeah, things are really tough right now." 188 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:53,797 And so I dropped it. 189 00:09:53,844 --> 00:09:55,434 You know, I figured, well... 190 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:57,930 it didn't matter what it was. 191 00:09:57,973 --> 00:10:01,023 It just upset me that, you know, "Shoot, man, 192 00:10:01,059 --> 00:10:03,439 "I was having a good time here with you," you know? 193 00:10:06,023 --> 00:10:08,983 I remember we were at the airport 194 00:10:09,026 --> 00:10:10,106 waiting to get on the plane; 195 00:10:10,152 --> 00:10:12,322 we were standing by ourselves over by a window, 196 00:10:12,362 --> 00:10:14,532 and I looked over at him, 197 00:10:14,573 --> 00:10:17,583 and he had this look on his face. 198 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,907 He was looking one direction 199 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:22,123 and I was looking at his profile 200 00:10:22,164 --> 00:10:25,544 and the side of him, you know, and... 201 00:10:25,584 --> 00:10:26,844 I don't think he saw me looking at him 202 00:10:26,877 --> 00:10:31,337 'cause he... I can see this look on his face, and... 203 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:34,431 he was horrified and disgusted about something. 204 00:10:37,888 --> 00:10:40,268 There was never any a time 205 00:10:40,307 --> 00:10:43,807 that he'd ever changed plans on me like that, 206 00:10:43,852 --> 00:10:47,862 so extremely. 207 00:10:47,898 --> 00:10:50,438 I think that he felt his urges coming on, 208 00:10:50,484 --> 00:10:53,364 knew he was about to go murder somebody, 209 00:10:53,403 --> 00:10:57,243 and he had enough responsible attitude 210 00:10:57,282 --> 00:11:01,662 to get me out of the picture so I wouldn't be... 211 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:06,253 Yeah, involved with it. 212 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:16,720 I grew up in Murray. 213 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,850 My grandmother had a 25-acre farm. 214 00:11:20,889 --> 00:11:22,889 We just spent weekends down there, 215 00:11:22,933 --> 00:11:24,773 and she had a big garden, 216 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:28,730 and it was just wonderful. 217 00:11:28,772 --> 00:11:30,152 We did dangerous things. 218 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:33,490 We climbed up in silos that were really tall 219 00:11:33,527 --> 00:11:35,397 that we probably could have fallen off, 220 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:37,355 and we went in caves, 221 00:11:37,406 --> 00:11:39,566 dirt caves that were in the back, 222 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:41,536 down the hill from my grandmother's house. 223 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:45,866 And I never worried about anyone ever harming us. 224 00:11:47,999 --> 00:11:50,089 I didn't really drive in high school. 225 00:11:50,127 --> 00:11:52,497 I had a older sister that drove us everywhere 226 00:11:52,546 --> 00:11:56,336 so it was really nice to have my own car. 227 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:59,143 It was a '74 Camaro. 228 00:11:59,177 --> 00:12:01,967 It was maroon with a black top. 229 00:12:02,013 --> 00:12:06,563 The payments were something like 63 or 67 dollars a month. 230 00:12:06,601 --> 00:12:09,401 And I got the car, and I loved it. 231 00:12:09,438 --> 00:12:10,648 I thought it was beautiful. 232 00:12:10,689 --> 00:12:12,939 I was always washing it in their big long driveway, 233 00:12:12,983 --> 00:12:14,993 and I just... I just loved it. 234 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:22,452 I had gotten off work, 235 00:12:22,492 --> 00:12:25,162 and decided I'd head over to the mall. 236 00:12:25,203 --> 00:12:29,173 It was dark, and kind of a drizzly night. 237 00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:31,627 I came up to a bookstore, 238 00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:35,918 and that's when a man approached me. 239 00:12:35,964 --> 00:12:39,634 I think he introduced himself as being a police officer, 240 00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:42,596 and his name was Officer Roseland. 241 00:12:42,637 --> 00:12:45,557 And he said, "Is your licence plate number..." 242 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:47,639 and he read off my license plate number. 243 00:12:47,684 --> 00:12:50,444 I said, "Yes, that's my license plate number." 244 00:12:50,479 --> 00:12:54,269 And he said, "We caught someone trying to break into your car." 245 00:12:57,194 --> 00:13:00,534 He asked me if I could go out to the car with him 246 00:13:00,572 --> 00:13:04,122 and see if anything had been taken. 247 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:07,039 We got out to my car and I opened the door 248 00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:09,158 and I could see nothing was missing. 249 00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:10,956 At that point I could kind of smell 250 00:13:10,999 --> 00:13:13,419 alcohol on his breath. 251 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:17,590 I said, "Dp you have some kind of ID or something I can see?" 252 00:13:17,631 --> 00:13:22,011 I... just wasn't really sure about him. 253 00:13:22,052 --> 00:13:25,642 But he showed me some identification. 254 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:30,560 I probably was trying to be nice. 255 00:13:30,602 --> 00:13:32,192 I was trying to do the right thing, 256 00:13:32,229 --> 00:13:34,109 and I was trying to be a good person, 257 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:37,937 and he was an authority figure. 258 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:41,074 He said they've taken him down to the police station. 259 00:13:41,112 --> 00:13:42,992 If you could come down and fill out 260 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:45,081 this complaint against him, we have him. 261 00:13:45,116 --> 00:13:47,326 So I said I would. 262 00:13:47,369 --> 00:13:48,829 We walked over to his car, 263 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:52,830 and it was a beat-up Volkswagen. 264 00:13:52,874 --> 00:13:56,554 Right when I was in the car, I knew I had made a mistake. 265 00:13:56,586 --> 00:13:59,666 Suddenly he just pulled the car over 266 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,804 and it kind of went up on the side of the curb 267 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:06,642 and that's when I started absolutely freaking out. 268 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,810 I remember screaming at him, "What are you doing? 269 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:11,309 "This isn't the police station. 270 00:14:11,351 --> 00:14:12,601 "What are you doing?" 271 00:14:12,644 --> 00:14:14,524 And he wasn't saying anything. 272 00:14:14,563 --> 00:14:16,403 He wasn't answering me, 273 00:14:16,439 --> 00:14:22,239 and I could tell he just changed. 274 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:24,359 I remember him pulling out a gun 275 00:14:24,406 --> 00:14:26,946 and him saying to me, "I'll blow your head off." 276 00:14:26,992 --> 00:14:29,122 And I remember thinking, "Go ahead. 277 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,830 "I'm... I'll die right here." 278 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:35,252 I think back then you were told 279 00:14:35,292 --> 00:14:37,712 not to fight off your attacker. 280 00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:38,962 If you were being raped, 281 00:14:39,004 --> 00:14:41,424 if you tried to fight him off it'd make him mad. 282 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:45,304 Just to, you know, let it happen. 283 00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:48,053 And I was angry at him 284 00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:51,676 for him thinking he could do something like that to me. 285 00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:53,555 And I remember thinking, 286 00:14:53,602 --> 00:14:57,022 "My parents are never gonna know what happened to me." 287 00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:59,193 I might've never been found. 288 00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:02,322 I just-- that was my feeling was to fight. 289 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,620 And I just had to get away with all my strength. 290 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:08,776 I opened the passenger side 291 00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:12,655 and just fell out onto the... to the street 292 00:15:12,704 --> 00:15:15,084 and he came out after me 293 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:16,753 out the passenger side. 294 00:15:16,791 --> 00:15:19,711 I remember feeling a crowbar in his hand-- 295 00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:22,463 he was trying to hit me over the head with it-- 296 00:15:22,505 --> 00:15:24,295 and struggling for a while, 297 00:15:24,341 --> 00:15:26,551 and then a car came along. 298 00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:28,433 I ran out into the street 299 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,810 and just threw open their door, 300 00:15:30,847 --> 00:15:33,887 and just jumped in on him. 301 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,353 I really don't know how I got away. 302 00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:37,814 I was so small, 303 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,904 and I just think I had this strength 304 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:45,070 that just came from somewhere to get away from him. 305 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:52,043 Debi was attending a play with her family 306 00:15:52,077 --> 00:15:53,407 at Viewmont High School 307 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:56,293 on the night of November 8th, 1974. 308 00:15:56,331 --> 00:15:58,121 She left the play early to pick up her brother 309 00:15:58,166 --> 00:15:59,496 at an ice rink. 310 00:15:59,542 --> 00:16:01,502 Debi never got to her car. 311 00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:03,514 The hardest part, as Mrs. Kent says, 312 00:16:03,546 --> 00:16:06,546 is the heartache of not knowing. 313 00:16:09,844 --> 00:16:12,354 Bountiful was a very safe spot. 314 00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:14,019 I grew up in that area, 315 00:16:14,057 --> 00:16:18,307 and it was a great place to have a family. 316 00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:19,603 I had never stopped to think 317 00:16:19,646 --> 00:16:22,646 that something bad could happen to anyone that I knew. 318 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,856 I was teaching Dance, English. 319 00:16:29,906 --> 00:16:33,736 I was involved with all of the extracurricular activities. 320 00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:37,075 We were doing a musical production of The Redhead 321 00:16:37,122 --> 00:16:39,332 and I was helping the kids in the dressing rooms, 322 00:16:39,374 --> 00:16:42,384 then I would run out and take care of the ticket office. 323 00:16:42,419 --> 00:16:44,749 And just right inside of the front doors 324 00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:46,296 to the auditorium, 325 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:49,009 I noticed a man standing over against 326 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:51,180 what was the office at that time, 327 00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:55,519 out of place for Bountiful, very well-dressed. 328 00:16:55,557 --> 00:16:58,477 He came out into the middle of the hall and he said, 329 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:02,438 "Has anybody ever told you you have beautiful eyes?" 330 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,980 I remember he put his hand up and he said, 331 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:10,405 "I need somebody to come out and identify this car. 332 00:17:10,447 --> 00:17:12,817 "Have you got just a second?" 333 00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:17,786 His eye contact made me very uncomfortable, 334 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:20,369 and I had never been in the presence of anyone 335 00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:23,285 that made me feel that way before. 336 00:17:23,334 --> 00:17:25,174 And I said, "If you need some help 337 00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:29,381 I will go get some boys or some men to come and help you." 338 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,974 And he said, "No, no, no. Don't need that." 339 00:17:33,011 --> 00:17:37,771 And, um, left. 340 00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:39,807 And when I got back to the dressing room 341 00:17:39,851 --> 00:17:43,981 our vice principal was at the back of the stage, 342 00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:47,152 and I said, "There's a guy standing out here. 343 00:17:47,192 --> 00:17:50,572 "Something's a little bit fishy. Don't know what it is." 344 00:17:50,612 --> 00:17:54,072 And he said, "I'll check it out and see if he needs something." 345 00:17:54,115 --> 00:17:56,525 I said, "I'd appreciate that." 346 00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:01,456 And later when I was sitting in the auditorium 347 00:18:01,498 --> 00:18:03,708 and he came back in, and when I saw this 348 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,710 little girl get up and exit, 349 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:11,933 well, all of a sudden he stood up and walked out. 350 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:16,386 I never put the two together. 351 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:22,020 The story I remember the most 352 00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:25,150 and the one that-- I hope I can keep my composure-- 353 00:18:25,188 --> 00:18:28,228 is the mom, Belva Kent. 354 00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:32,284 She turned the porch light on that night, 355 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,740 and every night, 356 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:36,530 hoping to bring her daughter back home. 357 00:18:36,574 --> 00:18:38,704 Those are the things that... 358 00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:40,203 That's just one family. 359 00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:43,365 Think about all the other families he ripped apart. 360 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:45,754 Nighttime at the Kents' home in Bountiful, 361 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,002 this front porch light burns for Debi. 362 00:18:48,044 --> 00:18:50,464 Mrs. Kent vowed when her daughter disappeared, 363 00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:54,465 "I'll turn the light off only when Debi comes home." 364 00:18:54,509 --> 00:18:57,549 Michael Rawson, NewsWatch 2, Bountiful. 365 00:18:57,595 --> 00:19:01,465 Because the situation with me 366 00:19:01,516 --> 00:19:08,056 ended the way it did that night... 367 00:19:08,106 --> 00:19:13,026 a little girl was murdered. 368 00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:18,579 And every day of my life for at least the next 20 years, 369 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,786 I felt such guilt. 370 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:25,867 If I had just done it a little bit differently, 371 00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:30,035 Debi Kent would still be here. 372 00:19:30,086 --> 00:19:33,796 I don't think you get over that. 373 00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:46,939 On January 12th, 1975, 374 00:19:46,978 --> 00:19:49,768 Caryn Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn. 375 00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:51,154 Earlier that Saturday evening, 376 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,030 Caryn Campbell sat with her fiance, 377 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,317 Dr. Raymond Gadowski, in front of a fire 378 00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:57,321 in the lobby of the Wildwood Inn. 379 00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:59,623 About 8 o'clock in the evening she caught the elevator 380 00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:01,617 to the lobby to the second floor. 381 00:20:01,659 --> 00:20:06,409 That was the last time Gadowski saw her alive. 382 00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:09,956 I concluded that someone 383 00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:13,881 had approached her with some ruse, 384 00:20:13,922 --> 00:20:17,132 and she went with them peacefully. 385 00:20:17,175 --> 00:20:20,135 She vanished, and, um... 386 00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:25,848 we didn't find her until February. 387 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:28,272 Caryn was laying there totally nude. 388 00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:33,521 She had been... she had been brutally beaten, 389 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:39,526 raped, and left on the Owl Creek Road. 390 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:46,833 We didn't have anything except a dead body. 391 00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:49,041 No evidence and no leads. 392 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:52,212 The deputy district attorney came out, he says, 393 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,051 "You may never find out who did this." 394 00:21:03,972 --> 00:21:06,062 The word is that both you and Seattle police 395 00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,099 are proceeding on the assumption 396 00:21:08,142 --> 00:21:10,022 that there are more bodies out here, 397 00:21:10,061 --> 00:21:13,691 that perhaps maybe even all of the girls might be here. 398 00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,651 We keep finding more and more every day. 399 00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:17,072 You get in that woods 400 00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:18,440 and you just don't know what's in there. 401 00:21:18,486 --> 00:21:22,616 It's so thick and it's so overgrown with bushes 402 00:21:22,657 --> 00:21:25,447 that you could find anything, you know, 403 00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,583 a couple hours from now or five minutes from now. 404 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:29,000 It doesn't matter. 405 00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:32,669 Radio check. 406 00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:37,589 I was not allowed to go to Taylor Mountain. 407 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,920 I was told that because I was a girl 408 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:44,216 I was not used to the rough terrain. 409 00:21:44,262 --> 00:21:46,762 And I was a backpacker 410 00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:48,886 and a hiker and a Girl Scout. 411 00:21:51,269 --> 00:21:53,899 I wanted to make sure 412 00:21:53,938 --> 00:21:56,068 that if it was Susan Rancourt 413 00:21:56,107 --> 00:21:59,527 that I saw her. 414 00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:02,279 I have always... 415 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,991 carried the guilt that I couldn't have done more. 416 00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:18,174 When my sister disappeared, 417 00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:21,222 my parents worked very hard, 418 00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,877 because there was a long time where we did not know 419 00:22:22,925 --> 00:22:24,255 what had happened to her, 420 00:22:24,302 --> 00:22:28,012 and they hired detectives and put rewards, 421 00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:30,636 and my mother really threw herself into 422 00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:33,313 anything she could do to try to figure out what happened. 423 00:22:36,814 --> 00:22:38,484 You know, it was... 424 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,784 it was hard for us to even talk about her. 425 00:22:40,818 --> 00:22:43,238 To bring her up caused so much pain 426 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,529 for my mother that... 427 00:22:46,574 --> 00:22:51,914 ...it's almost like we had to forget her completely. 428 00:22:51,954 --> 00:22:56,464 You... you can't remember the good times 429 00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:59,301 because that causes pain. 430 00:22:59,337 --> 00:23:01,957 So you forget. 431 00:23:02,006 --> 00:23:04,296 So my family lost not only my sister, 432 00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:07,352 we lost memories, 433 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:11,516 because we couldn't share that because it was too painful, 434 00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:13,727 so there was a hole. 435 00:23:13,768 --> 00:23:17,478 There was a hole bigger than the loss of my sister; 436 00:23:17,522 --> 00:23:21,982 it was the hole of the happy times of my family. 437 00:23:49,846 --> 00:23:52,516 Up on Taylor Mountain, Lynda Ann Healy, 438 00:23:52,557 --> 00:23:55,887 Susan Elaine Rancourt, Roberta Kathleen Parks, 439 00:23:55,935 --> 00:23:57,305 and Brenda Ball. 440 00:23:57,353 --> 00:23:59,773 And then previously in September 441 00:23:59,814 --> 00:24:02,444 we identified Janice Ott and Denise Naslund. 442 00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:06,953 So there are six people definitely identified. 443 00:24:06,988 --> 00:24:08,778 I was just going to the downtown library 444 00:24:08,823 --> 00:24:11,663 doing research in the newspaper reading room 445 00:24:11,701 --> 00:24:13,241 and reading the Salt Lake Tribune, 446 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:14,906 and I was stunned to find out 447 00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:17,924 that there... there had been an abduction 448 00:24:17,957 --> 00:24:19,827 where the woman got away, 449 00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:23,706 and the perpetrator had been driving a brown Volkswagen. 450 00:24:23,754 --> 00:24:26,424 Well, that was my worst fear come true. 451 00:24:30,845 --> 00:24:32,175 So I just fell apart. 452 00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:34,641 I was borderline hysterical. 453 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:35,732 Called my bishop; 454 00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:37,346 I'd gone back to church at that time. 455 00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,443 I was looking for something, 456 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,648 some kind of spiritual peace, 457 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,780 and he said, "Well you're gonna have to talk to the police 458 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:47,777 "and just tell them that you're continuing to be 459 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:50,110 "worried about your friend." 460 00:24:50,156 --> 00:24:53,576 So I called Salt Lake and I talked to a detective, 461 00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:56,498 and he asked me, "Well, why are you calling now?" 462 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:58,787 He said, "We've already checked him out." 463 00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:01,041 And he's just grilling me about 464 00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:03,093 "We've already looked at him. 465 00:25:03,127 --> 00:25:05,087 "He's not a good candidate." 466 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:09,929 So I was just like mortified when I got off the phone. 467 00:25:09,967 --> 00:25:13,097 I had spent a sleepless night, 468 00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:17,347 and my dad had some contacts on police forces in Utah. 469 00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:20,351 I felt like as a man he would be taken more seriously 470 00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:23,734 than I had been taken. 471 00:25:23,773 --> 00:25:25,943 And... 472 00:25:25,983 --> 00:25:27,403 he declined to get involved. 473 00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:30,493 He said, "If you're wrong, you're gonna ruin Ted's career." 474 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:33,739 And I said, "Okay," and we hung up, 475 00:25:33,783 --> 00:25:35,993 and we never talked about it again. 476 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,245 And I think as a parent, 477 00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:39,826 I've thought about this and I thought, 478 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,632 "God, if it was my kid that called with this crazy talk, 479 00:25:43,668 --> 00:25:45,128 "I'd be calling her the next day 480 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:48,129 "to ask her what the hell's going on, to follow up." 481 00:25:48,172 --> 00:25:51,882 But not my dad. 482 00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:54,466 I think that my dad completely discounted 483 00:25:54,512 --> 00:25:55,852 what I was thinking. 484 00:25:55,888 --> 00:26:00,058 I mean, he so liked Ted, as we all did. 485 00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:03,271 I feel, in hindsight, that he chose Ted, 486 00:26:03,312 --> 00:26:05,442 and not his daughter. 487 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,950 It was just traumatic. 488 00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:28,877 The key that happens is when Ted Bundy 489 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:32,131 is driving through a Salt Lake subdivision 490 00:26:32,174 --> 00:26:35,054 and a cop who works in that area didn't recognize the car, 491 00:26:35,094 --> 00:26:36,604 and thought, "Well, that's peculiar," 492 00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:38,467 and he was pulled over. 493 00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:42,394 And he sees handcuffs, a ski mask, 494 00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:45,805 pantyhose with an eye and nose hole cut out, 495 00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,145 an ice pick, rope, 496 00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,190 and garbage bags. 497 00:26:57,742 --> 00:27:03,332 I ran into Ted's former landlady in Seattle, 498 00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:05,212 and she told me the funniest thing happened. 499 00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:07,669 She said a woman detective came around 500 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,250 and was asking questions about Ted. 501 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:13,046 And by this time I thought Ted had been cleared, 502 00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:15,550 so the bottom just fell out of my stomach. 503 00:27:20,181 --> 00:27:23,851 The next day I called the police and I said, 504 00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:26,313 "Well, could I speak to the woman detective?" 505 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,194 And she said, "Can you come down here?" 506 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:29,900 And so I left work immediately 507 00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:32,690 and went down to the police station. 508 00:27:32,735 --> 00:27:33,895 When I first met Liz 509 00:27:33,944 --> 00:27:37,284 she was concerned, afraid, 510 00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:42,873 an anxious woman who needed to know the truth. 511 00:27:42,912 --> 00:27:44,792 Because I was working sex crimes, 512 00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:50,960 I could see that it was a very difficult situation. 513 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:54,633 She was talking to the police about her boyfriend, 514 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,973 about somebody she thought she loved, 515 00:27:57,009 --> 00:28:01,349 someone that she thought she was gonna spend her life with. 516 00:28:01,389 --> 00:28:04,179 She was more empathetic 517 00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:06,685 about how torn I felt. 518 00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:10,057 She seemed to understand why I was still so conflicted 519 00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:14,526 and couldn't really stick with one viewpoint 520 00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:15,898 for very long. 521 00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:17,945 Well, it takes a great amount of courage 522 00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:23,238 for anybody to turn in someone whom they're involved with, 523 00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:25,615 because what if they're wrong? 524 00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:28,003 She knew that her relationship with Ted 525 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,500 would change forever if she reported him. 526 00:28:32,545 --> 00:28:33,955 She started the interview by saying, 527 00:28:34,004 --> 00:28:36,474 "Did you know that Ted was arrested in Salt Lake City?" 528 00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,047 And I said, "No." 529 00:28:38,092 --> 00:28:39,342 And she said, 530 00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:41,965 "Do you want to see a picture of what was in his car?" 531 00:28:42,012 --> 00:28:44,562 Everything was laid out on a flat surface, 532 00:28:44,598 --> 00:28:47,518 and there was a rope and handcuffs and ski masks 533 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,060 and pantyhose with eyeholes cut in them. 534 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:53,694 I mean, it was so far out of the realm of anything 535 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,862 that had ever happened to me. 536 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,111 Like, my boyfriend could be killing people? 537 00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:12,667 I did see that she was struggling with 538 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:15,630 trying to conceptualize what was happening. 539 00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:17,381 Was her boyfriend a killer, 540 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:21,013 or was he just in a series of circumstances 541 00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:25,061 that were coincidences? 542 00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:29,517 She just had to take it in and really understand 543 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,900 that her boyfriend was not the man she knew. 544 00:29:41,447 --> 00:29:43,277 I don't remember who I talked to, 545 00:29:43,324 --> 00:29:44,994 maybe it was a law official, 546 00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:46,544 said that they had a suspect; 547 00:29:46,577 --> 00:29:50,497 they had caught this person with all these things in his car-- 548 00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:54,379 an ice pick, a crowbar. 549 00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:57,338 I didn't know if I could really identify him 550 00:29:57,379 --> 00:29:58,879 from a picture, 551 00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:03,053 but I knew if I could just see him in person I would know him. 552 00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:10,643 He walked right out with all the other guys 553 00:30:10,684 --> 00:30:12,654 that were in the lineup-- I knew it was him. 554 00:30:12,686 --> 00:30:15,646 I could tell from his mannerisms and his walk, 555 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:17,649 and then when he turned around and faced me 556 00:30:17,691 --> 00:30:20,401 I knew it was him immediately. 557 00:30:20,444 --> 00:30:22,824 That the first personal identification. 558 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,533 We had some guy out there named Ted 559 00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:26,083 who was doing all these things, 560 00:30:26,116 --> 00:30:27,446 but nobody identified him, 561 00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:30,503 but she could identify him in this line. 562 00:30:32,665 --> 00:30:33,705 My secretary came in 563 00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:35,829 and said that there was a phone call 564 00:30:35,876 --> 00:30:37,996 from Salt Lake City Police Department. 565 00:30:38,045 --> 00:30:43,215 They almost immediately said, did I know Ted Bundy? 566 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:46,009 Did I know Ted Bundy? 567 00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:49,523 And I don't even know that I answered the question. 568 00:30:49,557 --> 00:30:53,687 I think it just so clearly dawned on me 569 00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:58,067 that Ted Bundy was the Ted that we'd been looking for. 570 00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:02,994 And it was as though an explosion went off. 571 00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:04,818 Um... I just knew it. 572 00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:07,163 You just knew it. 573 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:08,329 How could you miss it? 574 00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:10,407 How could you not be aware of it? 575 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:12,582 Here's Ted Bundy. 576 00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:16,501 And it had to be the same Ted Bundy. 577 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:19,712 How would you feel if you had hired him, 578 00:31:19,753 --> 00:31:22,343 you had done a psychological profile, 579 00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:24,221 you'd worked with the police all this time, 580 00:31:24,258 --> 00:31:28,008 and it turns out to be this person? 581 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,263 How would you feel? 582 00:31:29,305 --> 00:31:32,175 You would feel like a fool. 583 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:35,814 To be so involved in that case 584 00:31:35,853 --> 00:31:39,363 and then have it be somebody that you knew. 585 00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:40,978 And what makes me so angry at him 586 00:31:41,025 --> 00:31:45,775 is that he did not do one positive thing for this world, 587 00:31:45,821 --> 00:31:51,581 and he killed so many young women who would have. 588 00:33:39,268 --> 00:33:40,978 Detective Thompson called me 589 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:42,479 from Salt Lake City, 590 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,691 and he said something like, "Get ready. 591 00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:50,203 "We're gonna arrest Ted for attempted kidnapping." 592 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:52,737 And I just immediately fell apart 593 00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:55,411 because it was like my worst fear come true. 594 00:33:55,451 --> 00:33:57,911 Even though I'd had all of these conversations 595 00:33:57,953 --> 00:34:00,503 with the police, 596 00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:03,039 I was still hoping that it wasn't true, 597 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:04,713 and that something, somehow, 598 00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:07,212 would... would prove that. 599 00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:09,974 I was still going back and forth constantly. 600 00:34:10,007 --> 00:34:11,217 "This can't be true." 601 00:34:11,258 --> 00:34:12,928 "He's innocent." 602 00:34:12,968 --> 00:34:16,178 And yet here he was, going to be arrested. 603 00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:18,141 It's kind of like I froze. 604 00:34:18,182 --> 00:34:21,232 It felt like the bottom of my stomach fell out. 605 00:34:21,268 --> 00:34:24,978 And... I just had to tell Molly. 606 00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:29,231 I remember my mom picked me up 607 00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:31,146 at my friend's house 608 00:34:31,195 --> 00:34:33,605 and took me to this nearby park 609 00:34:33,655 --> 00:34:36,445 and told me that now he was being suspected of 610 00:34:36,492 --> 00:34:38,992 attempted kidnapping. 611 00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:41,496 And... 612 00:34:41,538 --> 00:34:46,838 And that mystified me too. It just made no sense. 613 00:34:46,877 --> 00:34:49,837 And I had such grief about it. 614 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,340 It was so terrible to see him accused of these things, 615 00:34:53,383 --> 00:34:56,763 and I thought it was a terrible mistake. 616 00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:03,596 She loved Ted. 617 00:35:03,644 --> 00:35:05,774 She was really upset. 618 00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:10,573 It was horrible. 619 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:12,859 So he started writing letters right away 620 00:35:12,903 --> 00:35:15,533 when he was in jail in Salt Lake, 621 00:35:15,572 --> 00:35:19,372 and asking me if I would stand by him. 622 00:35:19,409 --> 00:35:21,289 And he talked about me and my daughter 623 00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:23,248 being the best thing that ever happened to him, 624 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:25,538 and that's what he really missed. 625 00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:28,092 I felt like he was manipulating me. 626 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,496 I wanted to say goodbye, 627 00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:33,045 but I didn't really want to say goodbye. 628 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:35,050 I thought we were just locked together, 629 00:35:35,092 --> 00:35:37,392 and it was very painful for me. 630 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:44,428 Okay, this is from October 25th... 631 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,096 1975. 632 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,774 It's from the Salt Lake City jail. 633 00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,824 "What can I say except I love you. 634 00:35:50,858 --> 00:35:53,358 "What can I do except want to touch and hold you? 635 00:35:53,402 --> 00:35:56,202 "What could I hope for except to hope that someday 636 00:35:56,238 --> 00:35:58,658 "we can be together forever? 637 00:35:58,699 --> 00:36:01,369 "I love you more and more forever and forever. 638 00:36:01,410 --> 00:36:04,040 "This I know is true. 639 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,869 "God love you and be with you. 640 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,590 It's just so intense, 641 00:36:11,628 --> 00:36:13,508 and I... I share those... 642 00:36:13,547 --> 00:36:16,217 I shared those feelings at that time with him, 643 00:36:16,258 --> 00:36:18,548 so it just made my heart... 644 00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:21,354 it just felt this heart connection. 645 00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:27,689 I was in and out of denial. 646 00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:28,898 There's all these coincidences, 647 00:36:28,937 --> 00:36:30,477 and then I would think, 648 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,652 "No, remember these good times we've had. 649 00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,572 "We know who he is; he's not this person." 650 00:36:36,612 --> 00:36:40,122 So I was drinking a lot to shut my mind up. 651 00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:51,881 We had a relationship with Liz 652 00:36:51,919 --> 00:36:53,339 so that we could call her. 653 00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:55,008 We tasked her with finding 654 00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:57,797 documents and records and things, 655 00:36:57,841 --> 00:37:00,971 and also she was providing us with information. 656 00:37:01,011 --> 00:37:03,971 So she would call us; we would call her. 657 00:37:04,014 --> 00:37:05,814 We had a very... very cordial, 658 00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:08,389 almost collaborative relationship, 659 00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:11,145 but we also recognized that this was a very stressful 660 00:37:11,188 --> 00:37:15,818 thing for her because she was still in contact with Ted 661 00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:18,649 and still in some ways considered herself 662 00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:22,655 to be his girlfriend. 663 00:37:22,699 --> 00:37:25,039 I started to see a psychiatrist and he said, 664 00:37:25,077 --> 00:37:26,497 "As long as you're talking to Ted 665 00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:29,246 "and you're seeing and dealing with the police, 666 00:37:29,289 --> 00:37:32,329 "you're gonna have this mass confusion in your head, 667 00:37:32,376 --> 00:37:35,086 "so you're gonna have to like just stop contact." 668 00:37:35,128 --> 00:37:37,048 And so I told Kathy that I wasn't gonna be 669 00:37:37,089 --> 00:37:40,129 interacting with the police anymore. 670 00:37:42,219 --> 00:37:45,349 Ted was on the phone all the time. 671 00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:47,809 All the time. 672 00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:50,229 And the realization came to me, 673 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,268 she's Ted's girl, 674 00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:55,862 and she probably will always be Ted's girl. 675 00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:59,609 All of those years of this passionate love between them, 676 00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,613 that's why she hung on. 677 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:05,986 After seeing what happened to her 678 00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:10,254 I could never at any point ever blame her. 679 00:38:13,375 --> 00:38:17,125 It was Ted's parents who bailed him out of jail. 680 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,840 He had written an open letter, 681 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,090 which was published in the press, 682 00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:21,842 thanking his many supporters, 683 00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:24,763 and there were many of them who came to his defence. 684 00:38:27,222 --> 00:38:30,982 He showed up at our house when he was out on bail 685 00:38:31,018 --> 00:38:34,518 and he said, "You know, Monkey, 686 00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:36,113 "if there's anything at all 687 00:38:36,148 --> 00:38:40,068 "you'd like to know about the charges against me, 688 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:41,320 "you can ask me. 689 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,781 "I'd be more than happy to talk with you about it." 690 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:46,912 And I said... 691 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:50,950 "Okay, did you do it?" 692 00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,076 And he laughed it off. 693 00:38:53,123 --> 00:38:57,383 "No, you know I didn't. Of course I didn't do it." 694 00:38:57,419 --> 00:38:59,299 What did you think when he said that? 695 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:01,297 That he didn't do it? 696 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,969 I wanted to believe that. 697 00:39:12,642 --> 00:39:14,062 You kind of recommitted to him 698 00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:15,442 in a sense, didn't you? 699 00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:16,479 I did. 700 00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:17,771 Why did you do that? 701 00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:19,614 I can't explain it. 702 00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:21,689 I, um... 703 00:39:21,735 --> 00:39:23,945 I mean, I just looked in his face 704 00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:27,067 and I felt like, "This man is not a killer. 705 00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:28,735 "There's no way this can be true. 706 00:39:28,784 --> 00:39:31,874 "This is... this is the Ted I've known for so many years." 707 00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:36,122 And I did a complete flip where I said, 708 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:38,206 "Well, I love this man. 709 00:39:38,251 --> 00:39:41,131 "As long as I can, I'm gonna be with him." 710 00:39:41,171 --> 00:39:42,171 And we were. 711 00:39:42,214 --> 00:39:45,224 When he was out on bail, we were together. 712 00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,600 There are always people that don't understand 713 00:39:55,644 --> 00:39:59,154 why people stay in relationships 714 00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:00,859 that aren't healthy. 715 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:03,609 I think that it's very unfair of people 716 00:40:03,652 --> 00:40:07,992 to judge why somebody does that or doesn't do it. 717 00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:11,791 It might not seem logical to most people 718 00:40:11,827 --> 00:40:14,657 but a lot of it has to do with hope, 719 00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:18,584 that people hope to the very end 720 00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,625 that their loved one isn't the person 721 00:40:20,669 --> 00:40:22,749 that's done the bad thing. 722 00:40:36,101 --> 00:40:38,151 I remember I was sent over to the courthouse 723 00:40:38,186 --> 00:40:40,606 to cover this. 724 00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:45,147 We knew that we were involved in something huge, 725 00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:47,703 but we all couldn't wrap our heads around it. 726 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:52,827 We were all just... 727 00:40:52,868 --> 00:40:53,948 "Really? 728 00:40:53,994 --> 00:40:57,714 "It could be this guy doing that stuff?" 729 00:40:57,747 --> 00:40:59,117 We were afraid that they would call me 730 00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:01,996 as a witness, so I stayed in Seattle. 731 00:41:02,043 --> 00:41:03,593 Then he called me and said, "I want you here," 732 00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,298 so I flew down there. 733 00:41:06,339 --> 00:41:08,509 I felt like everybody in the courtroom was... 734 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:09,840 had stopped breathing. 735 00:41:09,885 --> 00:41:13,005 I mean, the parents of some of the abducted women 736 00:41:13,054 --> 00:41:14,564 were there. 737 00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:15,848 Ted was nervous. 738 00:41:15,891 --> 00:41:17,731 I mean, it was just a real... 739 00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,977 Waiting for the judge to come in was just agonizing. 740 00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:27,939 I remember being on the witness stand for hours, 741 00:41:27,986 --> 00:41:33,576 um... being questioned by his attorneys 742 00:41:33,617 --> 00:41:38,327 trying to say that I didn't have the right man, of course, 743 00:41:38,371 --> 00:41:41,121 and how did I know that he was the right man? 744 00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:43,416 That I was mistaken. 745 00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,960 Bundy, he was down there sitting 746 00:41:46,004 --> 00:41:48,514 with a smirk on his face, 747 00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,298 always really arrogant, 748 00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:54,102 kind of laughing when I'd answer the questions. 749 00:41:54,137 --> 00:41:55,507 You know, we have our theories 750 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:57,715 as to how it happened and why she did make an identification, 751 00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:00,386 but... but I don't conclude 752 00:42:00,435 --> 00:42:02,555 that it was because she got a good look at her abductor 753 00:42:02,604 --> 00:42:04,484 and was able to remember him. 754 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,362 I don't think that happened. 755 00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,239 I remember a woman in the neighbourhood 756 00:42:09,277 --> 00:42:11,657 that I'd grown up in, running into her 757 00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:16,076 and she said, "Carol are you sure you have the right man?" 758 00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:18,037 And I said, "Yes, I do." 759 00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:19,958 And she had daughters. 760 00:42:19,996 --> 00:42:21,246 And I just... 761 00:42:21,289 --> 00:42:24,499 It was just really hard to deal with. 762 00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,052 There was a lot of people that just couldn't believe 763 00:42:27,087 --> 00:42:29,707 that he could do something like that. 764 00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,513 There was a... 765 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,393 kind of a culture of disbelief. 766 00:42:39,432 --> 00:42:41,602 There were definitely people that thought 767 00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:44,983 that he was being railroaded. 768 00:42:45,021 --> 00:42:48,781 When he was brought into court that morning 769 00:42:48,817 --> 00:42:51,987 and I found myself for a brief moment 770 00:42:52,028 --> 00:42:53,948 saying to the guys who were yelling to him, 771 00:42:53,989 --> 00:42:55,449 "Ted, how many girls did you kill? 772 00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:56,950 "What'd you do with the bodies?" 773 00:42:56,992 --> 00:42:58,872 For a brief moment I found myself saying, 774 00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:03,670 "Hey, guys, innocent until proven guilty." 775 00:43:03,707 --> 00:43:06,667 Ted Bundy wasn't a Charles Manson type person. 776 00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:08,090 He was the guy next door. 777 00:43:08,128 --> 00:43:09,958 He was the guy you'd meet up at the University of Utah 778 00:43:10,005 --> 00:43:11,085 and have coffee with, 779 00:43:11,131 --> 00:43:13,221 and, you know, be intrigued by him. 780 00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:17,428 And at that moment I realized 781 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,970 how so many girls went with him, 782 00:43:20,015 --> 00:43:22,555 and that scared me. 783 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,850 In a Salt Lake City trial, 784 00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:26,733 Bundy was convicted of trying to kidnap Carol DaRonch 785 00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:28,731 from a shopping centre in Murray. 786 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,653 She managed to escape from his Volkswagen 787 00:43:30,692 --> 00:43:34,112 and testified against him at the trial. 788 00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:37,494 There was quite a stir in the courtroom, 789 00:43:37,532 --> 00:43:44,162 and immediately the guards came and handcuffed Ted. 790 00:43:44,205 --> 00:43:45,455 I rushed up and gave him a hug, 791 00:43:45,498 --> 00:43:48,168 but by this time he was already in handcuffs. 792 00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:49,379 He couldn't hug me back. 793 00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:52,419 He just felt hot and sweaty. 794 00:43:52,464 --> 00:43:54,634 It was incredibly emotional. 795 00:43:54,674 --> 00:43:58,724 I felt like this has been a terrible travesty of justice, 796 00:43:58,762 --> 00:44:02,392 that this should not be happening. 797 00:44:10,023 --> 00:44:13,493 I got very, very, very drunk at the airport 798 00:44:13,526 --> 00:44:17,276 on the way back from his trial. 799 00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,622 Um, in fact, I got in a fight 800 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:22,117 with a woman at the airport bar. 801 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,500 When I got home I didn't go back to work 802 00:44:24,537 --> 00:44:27,367 because I was just too, too upset, 803 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,375 and I just could drink 24/7. 804 00:44:36,091 --> 00:44:39,891 The Salt Lake cops who had searched Bundy's apartment, 805 00:44:39,928 --> 00:44:41,468 one of the things the cops found 806 00:44:41,513 --> 00:44:44,603 was Bundy's credit card receipts. 807 00:44:44,641 --> 00:44:47,521 And when they ran those credit card receipts, 808 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,980 they found that the killing of Caryn Campbell near Aspen, 809 00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:55,532 Bundy had purchase gas at the same time. 810 00:44:55,568 --> 00:44:59,948 Bundy would drive, two, three, four hundred miles, 811 00:44:59,989 --> 00:45:04,489 leaving a trail of gas receipts to be detected later on. 812 00:45:15,296 --> 00:45:16,336 I looked at them. 813 00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:19,011 When I saw the very first card on top, 814 00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:21,550 it was, "There it is." 815 00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:26,064 The credit cards showed us a real pattern on his driving. 816 00:45:26,099 --> 00:45:29,059 This has really given me something 817 00:45:29,102 --> 00:45:31,812 to definitively 818 00:45:31,855 --> 00:45:35,475 be able to get him in or out of this case. 819 00:45:35,525 --> 00:45:37,735 And it put him in it. 820 00:45:42,907 --> 00:45:44,777 Theodore Bundy is in Colorado tonight, 821 00:45:44,826 --> 00:45:47,196 where he will stand trial for first-degree murder. 822 00:45:47,245 --> 00:45:49,325 Bundy is accused of killing Caryn Campbell 823 00:45:49,372 --> 00:45:50,672 of Dearborn, Michigan. 824 00:45:50,707 --> 00:45:51,997 She was vacationing in Aspen 825 00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:54,711 at the time of her death in 1974. 826 00:45:57,172 --> 00:46:00,552 We drove up to Glenwood Springs to interview Ted. 827 00:46:00,592 --> 00:46:02,302 And halfway up, 828 00:46:02,343 --> 00:46:04,393 we called the station to check in 829 00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:05,639 and my news director said, 830 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,270 "Ted just called, he wants to cancel the interview." 831 00:46:08,308 --> 00:46:10,018 And we were, I don't know where we were. 832 00:46:10,059 --> 00:46:12,399 So I... went to a payphone, 833 00:46:12,437 --> 00:46:13,937 called Ted at the jail. 834 00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:17,400 I said, "Ted, we're halfway up here, you can't..." 835 00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:19,492 "Okay, come on up." 836 00:46:24,532 --> 00:46:26,782 Come on guys. 837 00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:28,036 We knew we had a scoop. 838 00:46:28,077 --> 00:46:30,327 I mean, he did not let anyone else interview him, 839 00:46:30,371 --> 00:46:32,831 so that was a big deal. 840 00:46:32,874 --> 00:46:34,924 He had been in the Utah State Prison 841 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:36,879 for the kidnapping of Carol DaRonch 842 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,300 so he went from this highly guarded prison 843 00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:41,669 to this country jail. 844 00:46:41,716 --> 00:46:43,426 I mean, if you look at the footage 845 00:46:43,468 --> 00:46:46,008 and see what it was like... 846 00:46:46,054 --> 00:46:49,644 We were shocked. We were shocked. 847 00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:50,982 First of all, 848 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:53,307 I guess I should just ask, "How are you doing up here?" 849 00:46:53,353 --> 00:46:54,523 That's a... 850 00:46:54,562 --> 00:46:57,272 That's a short question deserving a long answer. 851 00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:59,605 I'm doing well. I feel good. 852 00:46:59,651 --> 00:47:02,571 And... working hard on my case. 853 00:47:02,612 --> 00:47:04,032 There were so many different personalities 854 00:47:04,072 --> 00:47:05,452 that I saw. 855 00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,870 The winking, and being the charismatic Ted, 856 00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,540 and, you know, "Be on my side," 857 00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:14,829 and "I'm not the Bundy Monster that everyone's saying I am." 858 00:47:14,874 --> 00:47:17,544 I knew what he was trying to do. He was trying to work me. 859 00:47:17,585 --> 00:47:18,835 There's always one thing 860 00:47:18,878 --> 00:47:20,918 that amazed me-- as you know, I covered your trial; 861 00:47:20,964 --> 00:47:25,724 when the judge found you guilty of second-degree kidnapping, 862 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,970 - you never showed any emotion. - Yeah. 863 00:47:28,012 --> 00:47:29,762 For somebody who believes he is so innocent, 864 00:47:29,806 --> 00:47:32,016 why was there no emotion? 865 00:47:32,058 --> 00:47:35,438 People say, "Ted Bundy didn't show any emotion. 866 00:47:35,478 --> 00:47:36,848 "There must be something in there." 867 00:47:36,896 --> 00:47:38,856 I showed emotion. You know what people said? 868 00:47:38,898 --> 00:47:42,188 "See, he really can get violent and angry." 869 00:47:42,235 --> 00:47:43,695 I look back on that interview, 870 00:47:43,736 --> 00:47:45,486 which was 40 years ago, 871 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:47,410 and I'm a little angry at myself, 872 00:47:47,448 --> 00:47:50,488 because I find myself smiling at him, 873 00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:52,695 and I was doing that to try to get into his graces 874 00:47:52,745 --> 00:47:54,865 to try to get some information out. 875 00:47:54,914 --> 00:47:56,754 The little bit that I did push 876 00:47:56,791 --> 00:47:58,381 and he started pounding his chest, 877 00:47:58,418 --> 00:48:00,128 said, "I'm not the Bundy Monster." 878 00:48:00,169 --> 00:48:02,709 I mean, that's how defensive he was. 879 00:48:02,755 --> 00:48:05,295 When we left I knew it was empty, 880 00:48:05,341 --> 00:48:08,511 but we'd still gotten the interview. 881 00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:10,893 Convicted kidnapper Ted Bundy is in Aspen, 882 00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,180 arguing a motion relating to a first-degree murder trial. 883 00:48:14,225 --> 00:48:16,135 The former University of Utah law student 884 00:48:16,185 --> 00:48:18,435 is defending himself on charges he killed... 885 00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:21,269 We had a very attentive clerk of the court. 886 00:48:21,316 --> 00:48:24,236 She came to us and she said, "He's gonna go escape, 887 00:48:24,277 --> 00:48:26,197 "and I know how he's gonna do it." 888 00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:28,907 Bundy would always approach her about doing Xerox, 889 00:48:28,948 --> 00:48:32,788 and the Xerox was located in front of a window, 890 00:48:32,827 --> 00:48:34,947 and he would always look up and down 891 00:48:34,996 --> 00:48:37,536 the back of the courthouse. 892 00:48:37,582 --> 00:48:39,712 We went right to the Sheriff's Office with it 893 00:48:39,751 --> 00:48:42,171 and we've told them about it. 894 00:48:42,211 --> 00:48:44,421 This is the plan, and he's got to be watched. 895 00:48:44,464 --> 00:48:45,804 He's going to go. 896 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,300 During a recess in the hearing 897 00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:49,432 Bundy was allowed to go to the law library 898 00:48:49,469 --> 00:48:51,549 at the rear of the courtroom on the second floor 899 00:48:51,596 --> 00:48:54,056 of the Pitkin County Courthouse. 900 00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:57,478 There, the unwatched, uncuffed Bundy went to the window 901 00:48:57,518 --> 00:49:01,608 and leapt two storeys to freedom. 902 00:49:01,648 --> 00:49:04,228 They just weren't doing their job. 903 00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:08,780 Bundy came here Wednesday 904 00:49:08,821 --> 00:49:11,031 after spending a miserable night in the rain. 905 00:49:11,074 --> 00:49:13,414 Then last night, Bundy said he walked into Aspen, 906 00:49:13,451 --> 00:49:14,871 took this car, which was unlocked 907 00:49:14,911 --> 00:49:16,831 and had the keys in the ignition. 908 00:49:16,871 --> 00:49:19,081 That's when Bundy was apprehended. 909 00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:20,463 - Hi, Ted. - How ya doin'? 910 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:21,460 Good. How are you? 911 00:49:21,501 --> 00:49:23,461 I'm here. 912 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,259 I was at my parents' house 913 00:49:34,305 --> 00:49:39,435 for the holidays in Utah, and Ted called me. 914 00:49:39,477 --> 00:49:41,347 And the first thing I said to him, I said, 915 00:49:41,396 --> 00:49:42,766 "I've asked you not to call me here 916 00:49:42,814 --> 00:49:44,904 "because it just causes difficulty," 917 00:49:44,941 --> 00:49:46,441 because my parents didn't like the fact 918 00:49:46,484 --> 00:49:48,784 that I was still interacting with him. 919 00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:51,740 And he said, "Well, I just needed to call you 920 00:49:51,781 --> 00:49:54,781 "and tell you I love you and goodbye." 921 00:49:54,826 --> 00:49:56,196 And I said, "How many times 922 00:49:56,244 --> 00:49:58,874 "have we done this with each other?" 923 00:49:58,913 --> 00:50:02,673 So I had no idea that he was gonna leave 924 00:50:02,709 --> 00:50:04,339 and escape. 925 00:50:04,377 --> 00:50:05,837 Bundy was being held here 926 00:50:05,878 --> 00:50:07,758 in the Garfield County Jail. 927 00:50:07,797 --> 00:50:10,377 The former law student ripped out a light fixture 928 00:50:10,425 --> 00:50:12,385 and then manoeuvred himself up through 929 00:50:12,427 --> 00:50:15,507 a 12-inch by 12-inch hole in the ceiling. 930 00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,135 Detective Keppel called me and told me 931 00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:19,851 that Ted was gone, 932 00:50:19,892 --> 00:50:21,942 and told me if I hear from him, 933 00:50:21,978 --> 00:50:25,188 I'm obligated to call the detectives, 934 00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,691 and he's dangerous. 935 00:50:26,733 --> 00:50:28,363 Ground units, helicopters, and dogs 936 00:50:28,401 --> 00:50:30,071 have been searching for Bundy. 937 00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:31,111 Roadblocks have been set up 938 00:50:31,154 --> 00:50:33,114 around the town of Glenwood Springs, 939 00:50:33,156 --> 00:50:35,576 and an all-points bulletin has been issued. 940 00:50:35,616 --> 00:50:37,736 I was mostly afraid that he was gonna come back 941 00:50:37,785 --> 00:50:41,245 and think that I was gonna help him remain free, 942 00:50:41,289 --> 00:50:42,619 which I couldn't do, 943 00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:45,165 because that would put me in jeopardy. 944 00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:47,209 I felt very vulnerable. 945 00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:48,963 What if I refuse to help him? 946 00:50:49,005 --> 00:50:51,915 Will he kill me? Will he kill my daughter? 947 00:50:51,966 --> 00:50:55,256 I was starting to feel afraid.