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I never told anyone

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about any of the sexual
stuff that went on.

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I felt special.

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I was this boy from the
other side of the world

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and Michael chose me.

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Yeah, there's no question
I was like head over heels

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in love with Michael.

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And he said he loved me.

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What's your name?
My name's Wade.

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His name's Wade.
How old are you Wade?

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Ten.
Ten years old.

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A real momentum had
started behind my career

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in the dance world,
starting to do music videos,

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commercials,
and acting in TV shows.

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Go on, Wade!
Show what else you can do!

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A lot of it became
about impressing Michael.

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Hopefully make him happy
and make him impressed,

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and, you know,
get that stamp of approval.

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Yeah, Wade!

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Give Wade a hand!

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Yeah!

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There was a kind of
mass sleepover at Neverland.

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I would've been about 11.

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And it was Jordy,

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Jordan Chandler,

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Macaulay Culkin,

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and myself.

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Jordy was the new kid,

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the new boy, and the one who was

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super close with Michael.

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Michael and Jordy
would disappear a lot.

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And I remember this
particular moment when...

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all of us kids
and Michael were...

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were hanging out in Michael's
bedroom in Neverland.

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All of a sudden,
Michael and Jordy were gone.

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They had gone in
one of his bathrooms,

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and the door was closed.

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You know, I used to be

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the boy who was in there
with Michael.

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You know, I just knew
in my gut that...

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that's what they were doing
when they were disappearing.

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They were doing all of
that same sexual stuff.

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Good morning, everyone.
Michael Jackson is at the center

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of a criminal investigation
in Los Angeles.

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One report talks
of child abuse charges.

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Official reports
obtained by NBC News

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detail the allegations
against Jackson,

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made by a 13-year-old boy.

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He told a case worker that
a four-month-long relationship

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with Jackson began with
the singer hugging him,

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and ended with various sex acts.

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When pop star Michael Jackson
dropped out of sight two weeks ago,

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there was much speculation that he was trying
to duck child molestation allegations.

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Jackson's people claim the
charges are part of an extortion plot.

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They claim that Michael is more
of a victim than a suspect.

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He loved children. He
missed out on his childhood.

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He just enjoyed
being with children.

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I can hear him saying to me,

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"I would never hurt a child."

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He would cry.

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"I could never hurt a child,"

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and he would break into tears.

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Very convincing.

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You know, I'd been told
that Wade was sleeping,

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doing sleepovers with Michael,
and sleeping in his bed.

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And then you hear stories of,
you know,

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someone accusing him
of molesting a child,

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and I'm, like, holy crap, is...

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Is that what's happening
with my brother?

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The next big thing I remember

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was two cops
showing up at my door.

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They said that
Michael had been charged

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with child abuse.

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I said to Wade, you know,

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"You've done nothing wrong.
You can tell us.

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It's not your fault,
you've done nothing wrong."

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Wade was very stoic.

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But this was...

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you know, terrifying
right from the get.

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This is the first time that...

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anyone ever...

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directly asked me, you know,

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did Michael Jackson
ever touch you sexually

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or anything like that?

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Without flinching,

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without batting an eyelash,

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you know, my answer was no.

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No way.
Absolutely not.

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You know, did this...
Did he ever touch you here?

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Did this sort of thing
ever happen? Did he ever

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show you...
any pornography?

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All of those sorts of
questions, you know.

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Over and over again,
without flinching,

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my answer was no,
absolutely not. Never.

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Obviously, as a mother,

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when these allegations
were brought to us,

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the first thing when I get Wade

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by himself,
I said to him, "Okay.

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"So, as your mother,
I need to ask you,

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has Michael ever done anything
inappropriate with you?"

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And he was so convincing.

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"Absolutely not.

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"He has never ever
done anything. Never."

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You know, as soon as the cop
started asking me these questions,

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the first thing that
came to mind for me was

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everything that Michael started
saying to me when I was seven.

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You know, if anyone
ever found out that...

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we were doing any of these sort
of things, these sexual things,

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that he and I would go to jail
for the rest of our lives.

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It was terrifying.

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Why is Michael Jackson,

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an adult,

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repeatedly

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sleeping in the same bed

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with a young boy?

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It is important to note

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that children everywhere

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are watching

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to see how this child,

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who has been brave
enough to come forward,

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to make his allegations

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will be treated.

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They may be fearful

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about what will happen to them

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if they come forward

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to make a charge
against a celebrity,

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or against a powerful person.

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There have
been many disgusting statements

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made recently
concerning allegations

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of improper conduct on my part.

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These statements about
me are totally false.

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They served
a search warrant on me,

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which allowed them to view
and photograph my body,

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including my penis,

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my buttocks, my lower torso,

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thighs, and any other area
that they wanted.

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It brings tears to my eyes

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when I see any
child who suffers.

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I am not guilty
of these allegations,

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but if I am guilty of anything,

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it is of giving
all that I have...

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All that I have to give

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to help children
all over the world.

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It is of loving children
of all ages and races.

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It is of gaining sheer joy

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from seeing children with their
innocent and smiling faces.

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To my friends and fans,

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thank you very much
for all of your support.

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Together, we will see this
through to the very end.

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I love you very much,

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and may God bless you all.

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I love you. Goodbye.

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He had been,

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I think, a little absent

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from my life.

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And then, he's back in it

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'cause he needs
you for something.

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He needs you to testify.

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So honestly,
you're happy that he's back.

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You're kind of just excited
that he's talking to you again.

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First heard it on the news.

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Totally shocked.

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I told my husband,
"We need to talk to Jimmy."

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He said Michael
did not touch him.

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"Are you all all right?
Did anything happen to you?"

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"No, Mom."

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It was like,
"No, Mom," like that.

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It would go for months without
talking, or seeing each other.

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Now all of a sudden, once...

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this Jordy case kind of
exploded in the press...

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every day, he would call.

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Electronic
Friday, 3:12 p.m.

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Gabby!

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It's Apple Head.
Um, I was wondering maybe...

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Sometime tomorrow
night, we could see a movie.

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It'd be really nice.

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So, I'll call you tomorrow.

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I'll sleep in tomorrow,

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and then maybe we can
do something. Thank you!

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Goodbye.

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Bye, Little One.

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After these phone calls had been
going on for a while, there were...

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I mean, you know,
really similar, each one,

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and just the same
sort of talk, and...

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I mean, what I understand now
as coaching sessions, you know.

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I went in to meet his lawyers
for, like, a rehearsal.

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They gave me... They did,
like, a mock interview.

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You know, kind of role-playing

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a policeman or lawyer and...

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You know, "We know you guys
have done this. We have photos.

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So, just tell us...
Just tell us about it."

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That... That's like a ploy.
Like, they don't know,

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they don't have photos,
just tell them no.

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That's, like, the golden rule.

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You know, just don't tell them,

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and they don't actually know,
or they can't prove it.

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It was reported
in Vanity Fair that,

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that Michael convinced
his 13-year-old mother...

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The mother of his 13-year-old
accuser to allow...

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To allow him to move in

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with them in the same house,
and that for three months,

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he slept in the same bed
with this 13-year-old boy.

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I mean, at best,
would you describe

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Michael Jackson's behavior

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as just extremely weird?

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Well, I wouldn't accept what
I read in Vanity Fair, Katie,

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and that's one of the things I'd
like to talk about at some point.

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But, let me say this. I think
when the facts come out,

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that you'll find out
that Michael Jackson

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loves children, and he loves
them in a very, very proper way.

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You know, very much said...

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He used the... "They want
fame and money" card.

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Like, that was... So, kind of what
he... he pitched to everybody.

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Um, so, that's
what he told my parents,

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and they believed him.

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And I said to Michael,

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why is this boy
doing this to you?

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And he said, "Oh, it's
not him. It's his father.

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His father wants money."

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I asked if he was
angry with the boy.

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He said, "No,
I'm not angry with him."

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And I thought, what a good man.

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What a good man Michael is.

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He's not even mad at the child.

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Thank you.

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Jackson likes to surround
himself with young children,

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and some of them have been
speaking out on his behalf.

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Last night, this girl,
who says she and her brother

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have spent lots of time
with Jackson,

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talked to station
KNBC in Los Angeles,

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denouncing the allegations
of child molestation.

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I think it's sick, personally,

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because Michael
loves little kids.

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You know, I've known Michael
since I was 10. Mm-hmm.

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He's never done anything to me.

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He's never done
anything to my brother.

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I loved this man.
I trusted him.

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I didn't think he would
ever do anything.

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You know that he's famous
and people could do this,

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and people could be after
money and stuff like that.

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So, that wasn't hard to believe.

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Joy Robson said
she did not believe

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Jackson would molest anyone.

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You just develop that trust
with him immediately.

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He's just a very special person.

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Because we were so close
with Michael, obviously...

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I wanted to believe that.

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But more than anything,
I believed my son.

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I believed that
he would've told me

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had something happened.

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Sources tell CNN, authorities
may attempt to bring Wade

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before the grand juror.

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I was excited by the idea
of being able to defend him,

254
00:13:44,625 --> 00:13:47,706
and being able to save him.

255
00:13:47,709 --> 00:13:49,706
Yeah, you know,
there's been different times

256
00:13:49,709 --> 00:13:51,539
where it'd just
be me and Michael.

257
00:13:51,542 --> 00:13:52,664
Then there'd be other times

258
00:13:52,667 --> 00:13:54,330
where he has other
friends over, too.

259
00:13:54,333 --> 00:13:58,080
It's just... a slumber party.
We just have a lot of fun.

260
00:13:58,083 --> 00:14:02,163
I've been there when these kids
have been in Michael's room.

261
00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,247
I've been there with them.
It's just party time.

262
00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:08,288
They watch videos.
They eat junk food.

263
00:14:08,291 --> 00:14:11,330
They play video games.

264
00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:14,539
They play so hard,
they fall asleep.

265
00:14:14,542 --> 00:14:16,831
They're exhausted.
They fall asleep.

266
00:14:16,834 --> 00:14:18,497
There's nothing more
to it than that.

267
00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:21,038
From your standpoint,
does it seem unusual

268
00:14:21,041 --> 00:14:24,997
for a 34-year-old man
to have kids sleeping over?

269
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,038
Not when you know
Michael's background.

270
00:14:27,041 --> 00:14:29,831
Under normal circumstances,
possibly, yes.

271
00:14:29,834 --> 00:14:33,247
But Michael, everybody knows
he didn't have a childhood.

272
00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:37,038
Soon, it will be Jackson's
turn himself to respond to questions.

273
00:14:37,041 --> 00:14:40,622
The teen said that when they traveled
together to Monaco last May, quote,

274
00:14:40,625 --> 00:14:43,956
"That's when the whole thing
really got out of hand.

275
00:14:43,959 --> 00:14:46,956
"He then masturbated me
to climax. After that,

276
00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:49,455
"Michael Jackson
masturbated me many times

277
00:14:49,458 --> 00:14:51,664
both with his hand
and with his mouth."

278
00:14:51,667 --> 00:14:54,205
Among the documents filed
with the court were excerpts

279
00:14:54,208 --> 00:14:57,205
of depositions by several
former Jackson employees,

280
00:14:57,208 --> 00:14:59,914
including Jackson's chauffeur,
who said he dropped

281
00:14:59,917 --> 00:15:01,789
the entertainer off
at the boy's house

282
00:15:01,792 --> 00:15:04,622
on overnight visits
30 days in a row.

283
00:15:04,625 --> 00:15:06,372
Also included was a deposition

284
00:15:06,375 --> 00:15:08,831
of former Jackson maid,
Blanca Francia,

285
00:15:08,834 --> 00:15:11,664
who claims that at
Jackson's Neverland Ranch,

286
00:15:11,667 --> 00:15:13,580
he has a closet within a closet

287
00:15:13,583 --> 00:15:16,706
in which he kept pictures
and videotapes of children.

288
00:15:16,709 --> 00:15:19,080
She also claims
to have seen Jackson naked

289
00:15:19,083 --> 00:15:21,455
with young boys
on several occasions.

290
00:15:21,458 --> 00:15:24,747
Jackson publicly denied
the allegations last week

291
00:15:24,750 --> 00:15:28,414
at the NAACP Image Awards
in Pasadena.

292
00:15:28,417 --> 00:15:31,455
Everyone is presumed to be
innocent, and totally innocent,

293
00:15:31,458 --> 00:15:34,038
until they are
charged with a crime,

294
00:15:34,041 --> 00:15:36,831
and then convicted
by a jury of their peers.

295
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,539
He asked me to testify.

296
00:15:40,542 --> 00:15:43,747
There was like a pretrial,
so I went to court.

297
00:15:43,750 --> 00:15:46,792
I remember going
in there, and...

298
00:15:48,125 --> 00:15:52,080
being very... robotic.

299
00:15:52,083 --> 00:15:54,789
I mean, I had, like I said,
rehearsed it so much,

300
00:15:54,792 --> 00:15:57,330
that it was just going
through the motions.

301
00:15:57,333 --> 00:16:00,914
They asked, and, you know,
I said no, of course.

302
00:16:03,041 --> 00:16:06,288
Just like part of my job...

303
00:16:06,291 --> 00:16:08,706
to, you know,
to do that for Michael.

304
00:16:08,709 --> 00:16:12,747
He's a very, very nice,
kind person.

305
00:16:12,750 --> 00:16:15,247
He wouldn't hurt anybody.

306
00:16:15,250 --> 00:16:18,250
He doesn't have
a mean bone in his body.

307
00:16:18,875 --> 00:16:21,000
Like, I knew it was true...

308
00:16:22,917 --> 00:16:26,622
but I couldn't let
myself go there,

309
00:16:26,625 --> 00:16:29,208
and it was just like Jordy...

310
00:16:30,125 --> 00:16:32,917
was the enemy.

311
00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:38,542
Michael...
told me that I had to lie.

312
00:16:39,959 --> 00:16:42,914
And that's what I did.

313
00:16:42,917 --> 00:16:44,706
I lied.

314
00:16:44,709 --> 00:16:46,914
I know Michael very well.

315
00:16:46,917 --> 00:16:49,583
I know he wouldn't do
anything like that.

316
00:16:49,917 --> 00:16:53,497
Has he ever tried
to do anything with you

317
00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:56,372
that would even be
considered questionable?

318
00:16:56,375 --> 00:16:58,250
No, nothing.

319
00:16:58,709 --> 00:17:00,497
Nothing at all.
Has never touched you?

320
00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:03,288
Mm-mm.
Have you ever seen Michael naked?

321
00:17:03,291 --> 00:17:04,583
No.

322
00:17:05,375 --> 00:17:07,997
There's a stunning development
in the Michael Jackson story.

323
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,372
NBC News has confirmed
that lawyers for the entertainer

324
00:17:11,375 --> 00:17:15,163
accused of sexually molesting
a 14-year-old boy

325
00:17:15,166 --> 00:17:18,706
are now seeking an out-of-court
settlement in that case,

326
00:17:18,709 --> 00:17:20,747
and that lawyers for both sides

327
00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:23,288
are actively
negotiating an agreement

328
00:17:23,291 --> 00:17:24,956
which could be announced
as soon as tomorrow.

329
00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:27,706
Jackson reportedly
is prepared to pay

330
00:17:27,709 --> 00:17:30,789
at least $10 million
to settle this case.

331
00:17:30,792 --> 00:17:33,664
I don't have any...

332
00:17:33,667 --> 00:17:38,288
guilt about... not being able
to tell the truth.

333
00:17:38,291 --> 00:17:44,458
I had no choice but to say what I did
in that deposition when I was 11.

334
00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:51,455
That was what I had to say.

335
00:17:51,458 --> 00:17:53,455
We wish to jointly announce

336
00:17:53,458 --> 00:17:56,539
a mutual resolution
of this lawsuit.

337
00:17:56,542 --> 00:17:59,163
The resolution of this case

338
00:17:59,166 --> 00:18:00,956
is in no way

339
00:18:00,959 --> 00:18:03,664
an admission of guilt
by Michael Jackson.

340
00:18:03,667 --> 00:18:05,914
Then, when they
settled out of court,

341
00:18:05,917 --> 00:18:08,080
I asked him why he did that,

342
00:18:08,083 --> 00:18:10,247
and he said, "My attorney said

343
00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:13,872
"it would cost me more
money to fight it,

344
00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:16,497
so it was better
for me to settle it."

345
00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:19,539
The accuser settled the
civil lawsuit against Jackson,

346
00:18:19,542 --> 00:18:23,163
reportedly for between
five and 25 million dollars.

347
00:18:23,166 --> 00:18:25,166
Then they took that money.

348
00:18:26,291 --> 00:18:28,664
People said to me that
just proves he's guilty.

349
00:18:28,667 --> 00:18:30,247
And I would say no.

350
00:18:30,250 --> 00:18:35,330
That to me proves that all it
was about all along was money.

351
00:18:35,333 --> 00:18:38,872
How much money
would make it okay

352
00:18:38,875 --> 00:18:41,622
for your child to be abused?
Ten million? No.

353
00:18:41,625 --> 00:18:43,664
Twenty million? Oh, maybe.

354
00:18:43,667 --> 00:18:47,789
I said, "To me, no amount of
money would make that okay."

355
00:18:47,792 --> 00:18:50,747
If I thought
that he had touched my son,

356
00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:54,414
I would not stop
till he was behind bars.

357
00:18:58,750 --> 00:19:00,580
We wanted to buy another house,

358
00:19:00,583 --> 00:19:04,875
and Michael gave us a loan
at a very low percentage rate.

359
00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:09,580
My husband had already
had a deposition.

360
00:19:09,583 --> 00:19:11,664
We were on Michael's camp.

361
00:19:11,667 --> 00:19:15,580
My son also for Michael.

362
00:19:15,583 --> 00:19:18,038
And after that was
all said and done

363
00:19:18,041 --> 00:19:21,622
is when Michael
forgave the debt.

364
00:19:21,625 --> 00:19:24,914
Michael said, "No, I don't
want you to pay me anymore,"

365
00:19:24,917 --> 00:19:27,205
um, "It's a gift."

366
00:19:27,208 --> 00:19:29,247
So, he did buy us a house.

367
00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:33,455
It's just coincidental,
he wasn't buying us off,

368
00:19:33,458 --> 00:19:36,831
but the timing's right there.

369
00:19:36,834 --> 00:19:38,917
Just sounds bad.

370
00:19:40,291 --> 00:19:41,583
Yeah.

371
00:19:54,875 --> 00:19:58,414
My mom and I went to Neverland

372
00:19:58,417 --> 00:20:01,083
soon after that for a few days.

373
00:20:02,166 --> 00:20:05,497
You know, same sort of...
physical scenario happened,

374
00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:10,166
meaning Mom stayed in one of the
rooms upstairs at Neverland, and...

375
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,872
and I went into Michael's room,
and into Michael's bed, and...

376
00:20:14,875 --> 00:20:20,122
and the same sexual stuff
all happened again.

377
00:20:20,125 --> 00:20:24,038
First hearing that, you know,
that he wanted to see me,

378
00:20:24,041 --> 00:20:26,959
that he wanted me
to come there felt so good.

379
00:20:27,792 --> 00:20:30,917
I'm back, like,
we're coming back together.

380
00:20:34,834 --> 00:20:39,956
Michael! Michael! Michael!

381
00:20:45,709 --> 00:20:47,664
Michael!

382
00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:49,789
He would just call
every once in a while.

383
00:20:49,792 --> 00:20:53,542
He gave me a car
when I turned 16.

384
00:20:54,583 --> 00:20:55,914
I was very much into filmmaking,

385
00:20:55,917 --> 00:20:58,163
and I was doing
my filmmaking classes,

386
00:20:58,166 --> 00:21:02,163
and Michael tells you that,
"You don't need school.

387
00:21:02,166 --> 00:21:05,497
"Nobody who ever did
anything good goes to school."

388
00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:08,914
So, he'd say, "You don't need it.
All you need is me."

389
00:21:08,917 --> 00:21:15,041
He very much said, you know, "You're
gonna be like a little Spielberg."

390
00:21:16,667 --> 00:21:19,997
Michael would fund
these short films,

391
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,414
and I made those
all throughout high school.

392
00:21:23,417 --> 00:21:27,667
And I made a 35mm
short film at Neverland.

393
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:31,539
And he talked to my parents

394
00:21:31,542 --> 00:21:34,163
'cause I was in some
of the advanced classes,

395
00:21:34,166 --> 00:21:36,455
and he said,
"You don't need math."

396
00:21:36,458 --> 00:21:40,330
So, he convinced my parents
to pull me out of the classes,

397
00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:44,372
so that I can kind of don't
have to worry about studying,

398
00:21:44,375 --> 00:21:46,414
and just focus on filmmaking.

399
00:21:46,417 --> 00:21:50,455
And he would... he'd tell them,
"Don't worry. I'll be there."

400
00:21:50,458 --> 00:21:55,997
He very much is, like,
making you depend on him.

401
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,330
Like, "Don't go get
an education.

402
00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:00,539
Just... I'll take care of it."

403
00:22:00,542 --> 00:22:03,580
And then when he went away,
it just kind of derailed,

404
00:22:03,583 --> 00:22:06,542
and I was pretty lost.

405
00:22:17,250 --> 00:22:19,122
Well, it was apparently
more than just a rumor.

406
00:22:19,125 --> 00:22:21,706
Press agents have now
confirmed that Michael Jackson

407
00:22:21,709 --> 00:22:25,747
and Lisa Marie Presley
are husband and wife.

408
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:28,247
The two say they
denied their marriage for months

409
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:31,288
in an attempt to avoid
the glare of the media.

410
00:22:31,291 --> 00:22:33,372
Mrs. Presley-Jackson
issues a statement

411
00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:35,664
saying she's very much
in love with Michael

412
00:22:35,667 --> 00:22:37,917
and looks forward
to raising a family.

413
00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:42,330
I remember Michael saying to me

414
00:22:42,333 --> 00:22:45,080
that he's gonna have to...

415
00:22:45,083 --> 00:22:48,831
have these public
relationships with women,

416
00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:51,539
so that people don't
think anything.

417
00:22:52,792 --> 00:22:55,497
He would always say
he's gonna get married.

418
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,706
He said he'd have to go
get married at some point,

419
00:22:57,709 --> 00:23:00,414
but that it wouldn't
mean anything.

420
00:23:00,417 --> 00:23:03,956
So one day, I got
a phone call from Michael.

421
00:23:03,959 --> 00:23:06,122
He said, "Stephanie,
I'm not gonna be able

422
00:23:06,125 --> 00:23:08,080
to come over as often."

423
00:23:08,083 --> 00:23:09,872
It was a short phone call.

424
00:23:09,875 --> 00:23:13,831
Hung up, went to my husband and
said, "We've just been dumped."

425
00:23:13,834 --> 00:23:17,122
Yeah, it was an emptiness.
I loved him.

426
00:23:17,125 --> 00:23:19,622
He was one of my children,
so it was a...

427
00:23:19,625 --> 00:23:23,038
a child leaving the home.

428
00:23:23,041 --> 00:23:24,956
That's how it felt.

429
00:23:29,542 --> 00:23:33,125
Again, I was
seeing less of Michael.

430
00:23:34,083 --> 00:23:36,917
Still talking to him but less.

431
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,622
Two to three times a year.

432
00:23:40,625 --> 00:23:44,664
Still, every time that
I was physically with him

433
00:23:44,667 --> 00:23:48,038
and stayed the night
with him anywhere,

434
00:23:48,041 --> 00:23:50,455
the same sexual stuff happened.

435
00:23:54,875 --> 00:23:57,455
My dance world was
kind of really building,

436
00:23:57,458 --> 00:24:00,208
and moving towards me
being a choreographer.

437
00:24:02,291 --> 00:24:05,163
The dance studio that I had
been going to for years,

438
00:24:05,166 --> 00:24:07,664
I came to them
and said I wanna teach.

439
00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:08,956
They gave me a shot,

440
00:24:08,959 --> 00:24:12,038
substituting for other teachers.

441
00:24:12,041 --> 00:24:13,997
They gave me my own class
and really quickly,

442
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,997
that class became
massive, packed.

443
00:24:18,792 --> 00:24:21,580
Michael was preparing

444
00:24:21,583 --> 00:24:25,372
for his History world tour.

445
00:24:25,375 --> 00:24:30,706
I was...
brought by Michael's driver

446
00:24:30,709 --> 00:24:34,580
to the dance studio,
where Michael was rehearsing,

447
00:24:34,583 --> 00:24:37,372
for me to be able to watch rehearsal
a little bit and hang out.

448
00:24:41,375 --> 00:24:44,247
And that night, he took me back,

449
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:46,417
with Michael back to the hotel.

450
00:24:54,792 --> 00:24:57,205
And so, I'm 14
at this point, and...

451
00:24:57,208 --> 00:25:00,497
I've had a major growth spurt.

452
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,125
I'm probably...

453
00:25:04,417 --> 00:25:05,747
five-eleven.

454
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:11,914
So, the same
or taller than Michael.

455
00:25:11,917 --> 00:25:15,083
Just a whole different
physical vibe.

456
00:25:21,208 --> 00:25:23,580
And at some point in the night,

457
00:25:23,583 --> 00:25:27,414
you know, we slip
back into the routine,

458
00:25:27,417 --> 00:25:31,247
the same sort of sexual stuff.

459
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:36,789
And I don't remember how
exactly it evolved to this,

460
00:25:36,792 --> 00:25:40,709
how it moved to this next stage,

461
00:25:42,959 --> 00:25:46,291
but what ended up
happening is...

462
00:25:49,375 --> 00:25:52,458
Michael, uh, tried to...

463
00:25:54,709 --> 00:25:59,333
penetrate me, um,
in my anus, with his penis.

464
00:26:04,458 --> 00:26:06,288
You know, trying for a while,

465
00:26:06,291 --> 00:26:09,622
and, I guess, was able to a bit,

466
00:26:09,625 --> 00:26:12,080
but it was really painful.

467
00:26:12,083 --> 00:26:15,038
And too painful for me,

468
00:26:15,041 --> 00:26:17,583
so, so he stopped.

469
00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:27,330
Yeah, I don't remember us, like,

470
00:26:27,333 --> 00:26:31,125
talking about it
or anything like that, or...

471
00:26:32,291 --> 00:26:34,330
acting like...

472
00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:39,041
anything particularly different
had happened.

473
00:26:39,875 --> 00:26:41,664
I think after that,

474
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:45,542
after it wasn't working,
after it was too painful for me,

475
00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:51,542
we kind of went back
to our regular sexual routine.

476
00:26:58,625 --> 00:27:00,497
The next morning,

477
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,667
Michael had like a recording
session to prepare for.

478
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,372
He handed me
some new, like, camera

479
00:27:09,375 --> 00:27:12,372
that he had gotten,
that I could play with.

480
00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:27,872
I was dropped off by his driver,

481
00:27:27,875 --> 00:27:33,041
um, back to my condo
in Hollywood.

482
00:27:33,875 --> 00:27:36,372
And then, that afternoon,

483
00:27:36,375 --> 00:27:39,706
my mother receives a phone call

484
00:27:39,709 --> 00:27:42,747
from Michael's
personal secretary

485
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:44,664
that Michael...

486
00:27:44,667 --> 00:27:47,580
wants to see Wade right away.

487
00:27:53,375 --> 00:27:55,747
I think I was picked up
again by Michael's driver,

488
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:57,205
and brought to the dance studio

489
00:27:57,208 --> 00:27:59,417
where he was back in rehearsals.

490
00:28:00,333 --> 00:28:02,080
Right away,
he just went right into it.

491
00:28:02,083 --> 00:28:05,539
He was kind of
super nervous and said,

492
00:28:05,542 --> 00:28:12,250
"What did you do with your
underwear from last night?"

493
00:28:14,417 --> 00:28:16,583
I said, "I don't know. I...

494
00:28:17,208 --> 00:28:19,330
"I don't know. I took
them off and, you know,

495
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:21,831
showered and put new ones on."

496
00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:26,125
He said, "You gotta go home
and find them.'

497
00:28:28,125 --> 00:28:31,291
"And I don't... you know...

498
00:28:32,458 --> 00:28:34,667
"I don't know
if there's any, um,

499
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,583
"There might be
some blood on them.

500
00:28:41,417 --> 00:28:44,247
If there is, you gotta
get rid of them."

501
00:28:47,083 --> 00:28:49,959
How long does it
take for you to get home?

502
00:28:52,291 --> 00:28:55,792
Got back in the car and he
drove me back to the condo, and...

503
00:28:57,291 --> 00:29:00,539
luckily, not luckily, you know,
I guess my mother hadn't...

504
00:29:00,542 --> 00:29:03,500
found them, hadn't tried to
clean them or anything yet.

505
00:29:06,709 --> 00:29:08,330
I found the underwear,
and there was

506
00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:11,000
some drops of blood
on the inside.

507
00:29:11,792 --> 00:29:14,000
Your blood?
My blood.

508
00:29:17,834 --> 00:29:23,038
I... grabbed them, sort
of stuffed them in my pocket,

509
00:29:23,041 --> 00:29:25,372
down into the garage,

510
00:29:25,375 --> 00:29:28,000
and threw them in the bin.

511
00:29:29,625 --> 00:29:33,041
That was the last...

512
00:29:34,834 --> 00:29:40,125
sexual experience
that I remember with Michael.

513
00:29:45,125 --> 00:29:47,125
Excuse me!

514
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,372
Wedding bells have
rung again for Michael Jackson.

515
00:30:04,375 --> 00:30:07,455
The superstar is on a working
honeymoon this morning,

516
00:30:07,458 --> 00:30:10,288
with his new bride in Australia.

517
00:30:10,291 --> 00:30:13,080
It's the first leg
of his History world tour,

518
00:30:13,083 --> 00:30:15,872
and Michael Jackson is
mixing music with marriage

519
00:30:15,875 --> 00:30:17,539
in Sydney, Australia.

520
00:30:17,542 --> 00:30:18,997
The Gloved One giving his hand

521
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,205
to longtime friend, Debbie Rowe,

522
00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:24,664
who also happens to be six
months pregnant with his baby.

523
00:30:29,458 --> 00:30:32,414
Somewhere in 2001 or 2002,

524
00:30:32,417 --> 00:30:34,872
I think some desire started

525
00:30:34,875 --> 00:30:37,330
building in me to, uh,

526
00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:40,959
want to try and connect
with Dad more.

527
00:30:42,583 --> 00:30:44,747
And we had a couple
of phone conversations

528
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:47,247
when he was still in Australia.

529
00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:50,163
He told me some stories
of his life and...

530
00:30:50,166 --> 00:30:54,580
and, I don't know, it felt like
the beginning of something.

531
00:31:01,041 --> 00:31:03,750
I had moved from
Brisbane to the Gold Coast.

532
00:31:04,709 --> 00:31:06,080
He was living down the coast,

533
00:31:06,083 --> 00:31:09,163
so I was seeing him
a little bit more often.

534
00:31:09,166 --> 00:31:10,997
We would meet
and, like, go to a pub

535
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,706
and play some pool and talk.

536
00:31:14,709 --> 00:31:17,706
I don't know if he was
even working at that point.

537
00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:20,792
You know, he didn't really
have any much money.

538
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,997
You know, I think he was
probably just living on,

539
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,959
you know, like the government
kind of handout.

540
00:31:27,834 --> 00:31:30,330
He'd kind of gone downhill.

541
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:36,125
I would see my
dad usually about...

542
00:31:36,834 --> 00:31:38,622
maybe every two years.

543
00:31:38,625 --> 00:31:42,497
And his mental
and emotional state

544
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:46,500
just really continued
to degrade over the years.

545
00:31:48,375 --> 00:31:53,125
He was diagnosed
with bipolar disorder.

546
00:31:54,583 --> 00:31:59,330
He was doing things like
disappearing in the night and,

547
00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:04,997
and going on walks
through the city, through LA.

548
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,625
And catching buses,
and, and we'd have to find him.

549
00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:13,372
You know, I think
it kind of scared

550
00:32:13,375 --> 00:32:15,163
Wade a little bit, and...

551
00:32:15,166 --> 00:32:19,997
and Chantal, which didn't help
their relationship at all.

552
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:24,122
I mean, I think it terrified me,

553
00:32:24,125 --> 00:32:25,997
but my reaction to it

554
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,038
was just to get angry.

555
00:32:29,041 --> 00:32:30,706
And like, I just
wanted him to go.

556
00:32:30,709 --> 00:32:33,500
Should we go on, continue?

557
00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:38,000
Wade really pushed my dad away.

558
00:32:40,583 --> 00:32:42,580
He didn't understand
why he had to...

559
00:32:42,583 --> 00:32:45,372
to understand him 'cause
he didn't even know him really.

560
00:32:45,375 --> 00:32:49,542
You know, didn't feel that he
needed this person in his life.

561
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:54,122
We talked a lot, and at
some point, he said to me,

562
00:32:54,125 --> 00:32:56,122
"Don't you ever let
anybody tell you

563
00:32:56,125 --> 00:32:58,539
that you did the wrong thing."

564
00:32:58,542 --> 00:33:02,205
He said, "You did
the right thing for Wade,

565
00:33:02,208 --> 00:33:03,997
and it was the right
thing for me."

566
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,038
He said, "I learned to stand
on my own two feet.

567
00:33:07,041 --> 00:33:09,539
"I was so dependent on you,

568
00:33:09,542 --> 00:33:11,622
"and I had to learn
to live without you,

569
00:33:11,625 --> 00:33:14,375
and stand on my own
two feet." So, he did...

570
00:33:15,375 --> 00:33:18,580
he did rise above it
for a while.

571
00:33:18,583 --> 00:33:22,542
It's only when
Shane left that, um...

572
00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:25,747
he couldn't cope anymore.

573
00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:34,291
At that point, I didn't
know if I was leaving for good.

574
00:33:34,917 --> 00:33:36,914
I said,
"I'm taking six months off

575
00:33:36,917 --> 00:33:38,959
to go and hang out
with the family."

576
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,205
The day that I left,

577
00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:47,414
my grandparents,
his mom and dad, and Dad,

578
00:33:47,417 --> 00:33:51,250
came over to say goodbye
before I headed to the airport.

579
00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:56,667
And I remember Dad
didn't say a word.

580
00:33:57,083 --> 00:33:59,997
Not... just, nothing at all.
He was just...

581
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,414
kind of like a statue.

582
00:34:01,417 --> 00:34:05,291
Kind of just staring off
in the distance and, um...

583
00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:08,250
and then I remember, like,

584
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,208
saying goodbye
and giving him a hug,

585
00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:15,539
and I don't... I don't
even think he hugged me.

586
00:34:15,542 --> 00:34:17,372
I think he just stood
there while I hugged him.

587
00:34:17,375 --> 00:34:20,583
He was just, you know, like...

588
00:34:21,417 --> 00:34:24,122
you know, the lights were on,
but no one was home.

589
00:34:39,583 --> 00:34:43,834
I feel like I'd been
here for a day, maybe.

590
00:34:44,959 --> 00:34:48,163
Mom was driving
around in the car.

591
00:34:48,166 --> 00:34:51,497
I get a phone call,
and it was...

592
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,664
like, my girlfriend at the time,

593
00:34:54,667 --> 00:34:56,247
from Australia.

594
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:59,000
And she was
a police officer as well.

595
00:34:59,834 --> 00:35:02,497
And she called me and said, uh,

596
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:07,497
You know, "Sorry, Shane,
but your dad's dead."

597
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:12,667
The day that he left,
his father hung himself.

598
00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:20,375
I think my response was
just anger, at first.

599
00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:26,038
"You asshole." Basically,
I was kind of pissed off.

600
00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:29,375
He had hung himself...
in his apartment.

601
00:35:31,417 --> 00:35:33,583
His mom and dad found him.

602
00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:43,205
I was... in a recording session.

603
00:35:43,208 --> 00:35:47,163
I was writing and producing
some music for a pop group.

604
00:35:47,166 --> 00:35:49,831
Got out of the recording
session, went to my car,

605
00:35:49,834 --> 00:35:55,789
and I had all these kind of
missed calls from my mother.

606
00:35:55,792 --> 00:35:57,834
She told me...

607
00:36:01,125 --> 00:36:03,288
"Your dad died."

608
00:36:03,291 --> 00:36:05,247
I brought all the children in...

609
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:07,539
Home for the night,
and we stayed up all night,

610
00:36:07,542 --> 00:36:10,959
and we laughed and we cried
and we laughed and we cried.

611
00:36:12,125 --> 00:36:15,038
But then, from...

612
00:36:15,041 --> 00:36:17,709
I think, the next day...

613
00:36:21,875 --> 00:36:24,080
I don't know, I felt like
I just started

614
00:36:24,083 --> 00:36:26,497
...stitching myself up
again already.

615
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:28,706
One, two, three, four.

616
00:36:39,041 --> 00:36:41,580
I mean, after the funeral
was done, and we went back

617
00:36:41,583 --> 00:36:44,080
to Los Angeles,

618
00:36:44,083 --> 00:36:46,747
I just went back to
the business of moving on,

619
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:49,497
and getting back to work.

620
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,706
<i>♪ And I see what's
really going on ♪</i>

621
00:36:53,709 --> 00:36:57,580
At 17, with 'NSYNC,
I directed what I think,

622
00:36:57,583 --> 00:37:00,288
at the time, was
considered the largest tour,

623
00:37:00,291 --> 00:37:03,414
I mean, just in scale, the size
that had ever happened.

624
00:37:06,208 --> 00:37:09,956
<i>♪ Baby, you're not
the only one ♪</i>

625
00:37:09,959 --> 00:37:13,080
You might not have heard of
Wade Robson, but right now,

626
00:37:13,083 --> 00:37:15,872
he's one of the biggest
names in world music.

627
00:37:15,875 --> 00:37:18,288
The Queensland-born 19-year-old

628
00:37:18,291 --> 00:37:19,956
has found fame and fortune

629
00:37:19,959 --> 00:37:22,664
as the most sought-after
hit-maker in America.

630
00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:25,956
The creative force behind
pop star Britney Spears

631
00:37:25,959 --> 00:37:27,580
and boy band 'NSYNC.

632
00:37:27,583 --> 00:37:31,789
At 16, after the
family had moved to LA,

633
00:37:31,792 --> 00:37:34,664
he started choreographing
Britney Spears.

634
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:38,288
She was so impressed, she asked
him to take creative control

635
00:37:38,291 --> 00:37:40,706
of every facet of her worldwide

636
00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:43,125
Dream Within A Dream tour.

637
00:37:43,667 --> 00:37:45,330
She works real hard,
so that's important.

638
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:49,163
And I'm a workaholic,
and a slave driver, you know.

639
00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:52,455
But she's willing to put in
the work, so that's always...

640
00:37:52,458 --> 00:37:54,163
that always helps. Um...

641
00:37:54,166 --> 00:37:56,706
You're probably every
guy's hero, you know that?

642
00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:58,247
I guess so.

643
00:37:58,250 --> 00:38:00,205
Thank you so much, Little Rock.

644
00:38:00,208 --> 00:38:03,288
You've been such
a wonderful audience!

645
00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:07,125
Michael had some sort
of obsession with Britney.

646
00:38:08,375 --> 00:38:12,205
And he would call me,
and he'd wanna know,

647
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:15,163
um, you know, what it was
like working with her,

648
00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:17,622
and what she was like, and, uh,

649
00:38:17,625 --> 00:38:19,872
"Isn't she sexy?
Isn't she beautiful?"

650
00:38:19,875 --> 00:38:21,580
One and two and three and...

651
00:38:21,583 --> 00:38:25,083
Wondering if I can set up,
like, a way for them to meet.

652
00:38:25,667 --> 00:38:29,208
And in those conversations,
as well, Michael was really...

653
00:38:30,291 --> 00:38:36,330
interested in my...
sexual life with girls.

654
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:42,455
I remember that being
just really weird,

655
00:38:42,458 --> 00:38:47,831
considering Michael
and I's whole sexual history.

656
00:38:47,834 --> 00:38:50,872
It was a weird pull 'cause
while at the same time,

657
00:38:50,875 --> 00:38:55,247
I mean, I still...
loved him deeply.

658
00:38:57,083 --> 00:39:02,038
Maybe one day,
I was gonna be the friend

659
00:39:02,041 --> 00:39:06,330
for him that he could have
a real, honest,

660
00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:09,163
vulnerable conversation with.

661
00:39:09,166 --> 00:39:12,458
The one person that he could
really be real with.

662
00:39:27,125 --> 00:39:30,831
My name is Laura Primack,
and I am James's wife.

663
00:39:30,834 --> 00:39:33,789
I grew up in the suburbs
outside of Chicago.

664
00:39:33,792 --> 00:39:35,247
I went to college
on the East Coast.

665
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:38,163
I went to an art school
in Rhode Island, and...

666
00:39:38,166 --> 00:39:40,914
afterwards, I thought,
before I settle back home,

667
00:39:40,917 --> 00:39:42,288
I should try the other coast.

668
00:39:45,542 --> 00:39:49,455
There was a dive bar very close
to my apartment in Hollywood.

669
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:54,455
And I would go there on
almost a nightly basis.

670
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:02,414
One night, a girlfriend
of mine said

671
00:40:02,417 --> 00:40:04,956
she wanted to go there
'cause she had a crush

672
00:40:04,959 --> 00:40:08,831
on a guy in the band,
which was actually James.

673
00:40:14,125 --> 00:40:16,247
He was in a band called Skylab.

674
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:18,288
The singer was British,

675
00:40:18,291 --> 00:40:21,038
and the music was kind of
like Smashing Pumpkins

676
00:40:21,041 --> 00:40:22,914
or Radiohead and, um,

677
00:40:22,917 --> 00:40:24,163
they were really fun to watch.

678
00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:26,330
They were really
good performers.

679
00:40:31,834 --> 00:40:33,330
So, I went to the bar
to meet her,

680
00:40:33,333 --> 00:40:36,622
and she ended up
falling ill, didn't come.

681
00:40:36,625 --> 00:40:39,288
So, when James's band was up
at the bar, buying drinks,

682
00:40:39,291 --> 00:40:42,000
I decided to go up
and introduce myself.

683
00:40:43,834 --> 00:40:45,664
I mean, he looked the part.
He looked awesome,

684
00:40:45,667 --> 00:40:47,664
but the first thing he said
when I told him I was there

685
00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:49,789
to see him 'cause my friend
thought he was cute was,

686
00:40:49,792 --> 00:40:52,747
"I don't think you're
talking about me."

687
00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:55,831
He seemed so wholeheartedly

688
00:40:55,834 --> 00:40:58,872
modest and humble and...
It just caught me off guard

689
00:40:58,875 --> 00:41:02,872
'cause that's not what I had
experienced in Los Angeles so far.

690
00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:13,997
She was really sweet,

691
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,375
and, um, she's very upbeat.

692
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:20,122
She just turned out
to be a great person,

693
00:41:20,125 --> 00:41:21,914
so I got lucky.

694
00:41:21,917 --> 00:41:25,664
I think the first night
that I went to his house,

695
00:41:25,667 --> 00:41:28,038
um, it was late at night.

696
00:41:28,041 --> 00:41:30,914
He probably had a band practice,
so maybe I got there at 11:00,

697
00:41:30,917 --> 00:41:33,789
but he had candies
on the side of the bed,

698
00:41:33,792 --> 00:41:35,914
and an intention that we were
gonna watch Harry Potter.

699
00:41:35,917 --> 00:41:38,956
I mean, that was his, like, "Come on
over we'll have a date night thing."

700
00:41:38,959 --> 00:41:42,330
And I thought the fact that he had
just bought me candies was adorable.

701
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,163
So, I think we moved
in together about

702
00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:46,247
six months after
we'd started dating.

703
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:47,872
I think right around
that time, too,

704
00:41:47,875 --> 00:41:51,914
James had been taking art
classes at a local art school

705
00:41:51,917 --> 00:41:54,414
and doing his homework
in our office.

706
00:41:54,417 --> 00:41:57,622
And at that point, we were
growing, we needed more help,

707
00:41:57,625 --> 00:42:00,789
and our owner said, "Why don't
come in and work with us?"

708
00:42:00,792 --> 00:42:02,914
So, we went from dating,
to living together,

709
00:42:02,917 --> 00:42:04,747
to living together
and working together,

710
00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:07,539
so it got very
intense very quick

711
00:42:07,542 --> 00:42:10,080
when you combine
all those things.

712
00:42:10,083 --> 00:42:12,080
It was a pretty
traditional start.

713
00:42:12,083 --> 00:42:14,455
That's not to say that, um,

714
00:42:14,458 --> 00:42:16,706
there weren't ups and downs,
but from my perspective,

715
00:42:16,709 --> 00:42:20,080
they were the kinds of ups and
downs that most relationships had.

716
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:29,997
Secrets will eat you up.

717
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,372
It sucks life out of you,

718
00:42:33,375 --> 00:42:36,831
just deteriorates
you from the inside.

719
00:42:36,834 --> 00:42:40,122
Like a part of you is dead.

720
00:42:40,125 --> 00:42:42,288
It kind of took everything I had

721
00:42:42,291 --> 00:42:45,455
to function during the day,

722
00:42:45,458 --> 00:42:48,917
to let other people see me
as a functioning person.

723
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,250
So, it took a lot
of effort to...

724
00:42:55,333 --> 00:42:57,750
to keep it together.

725
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,706
And then, I would go home
and... and be a wreck.

726
00:43:02,709 --> 00:43:06,166
And it was hard... I'm sure
it was hard on my wife.

727
00:43:12,417 --> 00:43:16,706
You know, James had a lot of...
personality quirks.

728
00:43:16,709 --> 00:43:18,372
You know, he'd go through

729
00:43:18,375 --> 00:43:20,956
bouts where he just wanted
to stay in bed all weekend

730
00:43:20,959 --> 00:43:23,997
and watch TV, or, um...

731
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,914
you know, be a little bit
more antisocial.

732
00:43:25,917 --> 00:43:30,247
But, for me, especially 'cause I
know that I am a people person, I...

733
00:43:30,250 --> 00:43:32,706
A lot of these things, I just
assumed were what it's like

734
00:43:32,709 --> 00:43:34,163
when you're not a people person.

735
00:43:34,166 --> 00:43:37,080
I loved it. I mean,
from my perspective,

736
00:43:37,083 --> 00:43:39,330
"Oh, let's stay in
and cuddle and watch movies,

737
00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:41,497
and be in the dark and never
leave the house."

738
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,997
And then, you know, maybe after
the first year, I was like,

739
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,664
"Well, should we just go to Target and get
groceries, or do something?"

740
00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:52,080
Later on, as it didn't
really go away, it...

741
00:43:52,083 --> 00:43:55,539
You know, it could get a little
bit more boring or confusing.

742
00:43:57,041 --> 00:43:59,622
I couldn't sleep, and...

743
00:43:59,625 --> 00:44:02,997
I would have just
panic attacks about

744
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,247
things that shouldn't give
me panic attacks, and...

745
00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:10,038
One of the weird things is not
liking yourself and not knowing why.

746
00:44:10,041 --> 00:44:14,622
Like, I didn't know why
I had these problems

747
00:44:14,625 --> 00:44:16,664
or felt these ways.

748
00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:19,497
Constant anxiety and...

749
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,667
and then depression and...

750
00:44:23,583 --> 00:44:26,539
not knowing why
you're like that.

751
00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:32,539
When I was in my early 20s,
I did a lot of...

752
00:44:32,542 --> 00:44:37,872
substances to help deal with it.

753
00:44:37,875 --> 00:44:41,208
At the time, I didn't know
that that's what I was doing.

754
00:44:41,917 --> 00:44:45,831
But then, when I got
off the substances,

755
00:44:45,834 --> 00:44:48,247
and there was
nothing to mask it,

756
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:50,250
was when I was...

757
00:44:51,917 --> 00:44:57,789
really noticed
that I was anxious all the time.

758
00:45:02,458 --> 00:45:05,872
How the
hell did you get up there?

759
00:45:05,875 --> 00:45:07,959
Oh, baby.

760
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:10,539
It's pretty.

761
00:45:11,875 --> 00:45:15,917
My name is Amanda Robson,
and I am Wade's wife.

762
00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:20,455
Wade and I met at a nightclub,

763
00:45:20,458 --> 00:45:23,622
and I was working
as a promoter there.

764
00:45:23,625 --> 00:45:26,455
My girlfriend and I
were just like totally

765
00:45:26,458 --> 00:45:28,122
playing around
on the dance floor,

766
00:45:28,125 --> 00:45:30,122
dancing very goofy.

767
00:45:30,125 --> 00:45:33,080
And Wade and his friends,

768
00:45:33,083 --> 00:45:35,831
kind of like, jokingly

769
00:45:35,834 --> 00:45:38,664
called us out to do
like a little battle,

770
00:45:38,667 --> 00:45:41,625
which I didn't know
who Wade was at the time.

771
00:45:43,166 --> 00:45:45,455
This huge crowd

772
00:45:45,458 --> 00:45:48,288
began to form around us,

773
00:45:48,291 --> 00:45:51,497
and then Wade and his
friends went into this

774
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,914
full-on choreographed routine

775
00:45:53,917 --> 00:45:57,789
and made us look
really ridiculous.

776
00:46:02,875 --> 00:46:05,914
My girlfriend that
I was at the club with

777
00:46:05,917 --> 00:46:08,455
was like, "Do you know
who that is? That's

778
00:46:08,458 --> 00:46:11,872
Wade Robson,
'NSYNC's choreographer,"

779
00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:16,166
and, you know,
thought it was very cool.

780
00:46:17,083 --> 00:46:19,414
And I thought he was
a total asshole.

781
00:46:19,417 --> 00:46:21,997
He was 19,

782
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,205
and I was 22.

783
00:46:24,208 --> 00:46:26,080
On our first date,

784
00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:28,163
I remember him, um,

785
00:46:28,166 --> 00:46:30,622
you know, mentioning
Michael Jackson was

786
00:46:30,625 --> 00:46:35,872
a huge part of why
they came over from Australia,

787
00:46:35,875 --> 00:46:38,372
and that Michael was his

788
00:46:38,375 --> 00:46:41,747
teacher and role model.

789
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,747
It was like, wow,
that sounds really intense.

790
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:46,539
That's what it
sounded like to me.

791
00:46:51,166 --> 00:46:56,372
I had really started
a whole new aspect

792
00:46:56,375 --> 00:46:59,997
of my adult life with Amanda.

793
00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:09,997
She'd, you know, been
this incredible breath

794
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,414
of fresh air to me.

795
00:47:16,625 --> 00:47:20,414
And her perspective on life,

796
00:47:20,417 --> 00:47:24,455
what life meant to her, what
relationships meant to her

797
00:47:24,458 --> 00:47:26,959
was just so clear.

798
00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:43,080
Good afternoon.
I'm Ken Shemwell,

799
00:47:43,083 --> 00:47:45,291
undersheriff,
Santa Barbara County.

800
00:47:46,583 --> 00:47:48,163
In June of 2003,

801
00:47:48,166 --> 00:47:50,580
the Santa Barbara County
Sheriff's Department

802
00:47:50,583 --> 00:47:52,956
received information
that a 13-year-old boy

803
00:47:52,959 --> 00:47:55,997
was a possible
victim of lewd acts.

804
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,455
The allegation claimed that
entertainer Michael Jackson

805
00:47:59,458 --> 00:48:02,831
had engaged in these
activities with the victim

806
00:48:02,834 --> 00:48:05,163
while a guest
at the Neverland Ranch.

807
00:48:05,166 --> 00:48:07,414
Is the manager here?

808
00:48:07,417 --> 00:48:09,122
Manager?
Manager.

809
00:48:09,125 --> 00:48:12,122
I'm gonna get a uniform for you.
Okay.

810
00:48:12,125 --> 00:48:14,455
We got, uh...

811
00:48:14,458 --> 00:48:16,205
This morning, investigators

812
00:48:16,208 --> 00:48:18,163
effected the service
of a search warrant

813
00:48:18,166 --> 00:48:19,956
as a part of an investigation.

814
00:48:22,792 --> 00:48:26,789
An arrest warrant for
Mr. Jackson has been issued

815
00:48:26,792 --> 00:48:29,333
on multiple counts
of child molestation.

816
00:48:30,041 --> 00:48:34,455
Boom, there's these
new allegations.

817
00:48:36,333 --> 00:48:39,455
And all of this
craziness unfolds,

818
00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:41,792
I mean, that I see via the news.

819
00:48:46,917 --> 00:48:49,330
Good day, everyone.
Pop star Michael Jackson

820
00:48:49,333 --> 00:48:52,038
is now under arrest, and,
at this hour, is in the custody

821
00:48:52,041 --> 00:48:54,834
of a Santa Barbara, California
Sheriff's department.

822
00:48:55,667 --> 00:49:00,831
Michael in handcuffs was,
uh, painful to see.

823
00:49:00,834 --> 00:49:03,288
When Michael
Jackson was arrested,

824
00:49:03,291 --> 00:49:05,664
his mugshot was taken,
he was fingerprinted,

825
00:49:05,667 --> 00:49:07,163
he gave up his passport,

826
00:49:07,166 --> 00:49:09,330
and he was released
on $3 million bond.

827
00:49:09,333 --> 00:49:15,706
His lawyer called the charges that could send
Jackson away to prison for years a big lie.

828
00:49:15,709 --> 00:49:17,038
If anybody doesn't think,

829
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,247
based upon what's
happened so far,

830
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:20,914
that the true motivation

831
00:49:20,917 --> 00:49:23,205
of these charges
and these allegations

832
00:49:23,208 --> 00:49:26,372
is anything but money,
and the seeking of money,

833
00:49:26,375 --> 00:49:28,414
then they're living
in their own Neverland.

834
00:49:28,417 --> 00:49:31,163
Jackson faces
nine charges total,

835
00:49:31,166 --> 00:49:34,414
seven for committing a lewd
act on a child under 14,

836
00:49:34,417 --> 00:49:36,330
and two for giving the child

837
00:49:36,333 --> 00:49:40,038
an intoxicating agent
for the purpose of molestation.

838
00:49:40,041 --> 00:49:44,247
We will land on you
like a ton of bricks.

839
00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:46,956
We will land on you
like a hammer.

840
00:49:46,959 --> 00:49:48,872
If you do anything

841
00:49:48,875 --> 00:49:51,706
to besmirch
this man's reputation,

842
00:49:51,709 --> 00:49:55,580
we will unleash a legal torrent
like you've never seen.

843
00:49:55,583 --> 00:49:56,914
We will demand...

844
00:49:56,917 --> 00:49:58,872
Michael called,

845
00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:02,333
and I hadn't talked to him
in a really long time.

846
00:50:03,625 --> 00:50:07,125
And I had known
of the trial, so...

847
00:50:08,709 --> 00:50:13,038
I kind of saw the pattern
from before happen again.

848
00:50:15,417 --> 00:50:17,747
He called my parents,

849
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:21,497
and tried to convince them to...

850
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:24,750
testify for him
and get involved.

851
00:50:25,792 --> 00:50:29,038
And my dad was very much

852
00:50:29,041 --> 00:50:31,750
like, back to,
"Let's protect Michael."

853
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:36,914
Michael could do no wrong
in my husband's eyes.

854
00:50:36,917 --> 00:50:41,247
He felt what Michael did for the
world made the world happy...

855
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:45,747
All his songs about peace
and love in the world.

856
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:50,291
That's how my husband saw
Michael... the songs he sang.

857
00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:55,080
And he truly believed it.

858
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:06,455
<i>♪ Make a better place
for you and for me ♪</i>

859
00:51:06,458 --> 00:51:09,706
I absolutely didn't
believe the first time.

860
00:51:09,709 --> 00:51:13,288
It was wrong.
It was the father's greed.

861
00:51:13,291 --> 00:51:15,622
And then the second time,

862
00:51:15,625 --> 00:51:17,872
I started to question it
in my head.

863
00:51:17,875 --> 00:51:20,831
The accuser is
reportedly a 12-year-old boy,

864
00:51:20,834 --> 00:51:22,455
befriended by Jackson.

865
00:51:22,458 --> 00:51:24,414
The child is
described in reports

866
00:51:24,417 --> 00:51:26,622
as having met Jackson
through a charity

867
00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:29,163
that grants wishes
for ill children.

868
00:51:31,667 --> 00:51:33,414
We didn't know this boy at all.

869
00:51:33,417 --> 00:51:37,956
This was during a period where we really
didn't have much to do with Michael.

870
00:51:37,959 --> 00:51:39,956
Once again, I thought,
you know, this is a kid

871
00:51:39,959 --> 00:51:43,163
who was suffering from
cancer, and I thought,

872
00:51:43,166 --> 00:51:45,580
defending Michael,
this was just another case

873
00:51:45,583 --> 00:51:49,288
where Michael's probably paying
for all his medical bills,

874
00:51:49,291 --> 00:51:52,500
and these people are
taking advantage of it.

875
00:51:53,583 --> 00:51:55,872
That information
about Gavin's mother,

876
00:51:55,875 --> 00:51:57,914
she had been arrested
for shoplifting,

877
00:51:57,917 --> 00:51:59,956
and she had blamed
the security people.

878
00:51:59,959 --> 00:52:02,247
There was a big
thing about that.

879
00:52:02,250 --> 00:52:06,000
They spin information
against the parents.

880
00:52:06,834 --> 00:52:08,539
I believed it all.

881
00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:12,372
He said that he wanted
to show me how to masturbate.

882
00:52:12,375 --> 00:52:14,875
He wanted to show
you how to masturbate?

883
00:52:15,542 --> 00:52:18,083
Okay.
Yeah, and then I said no.

884
00:52:20,291 --> 00:52:22,497
And then he said
he could do it for me.

885
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:23,834
Okay.

886
00:52:25,709 --> 00:52:27,709
And did he do it for you?

887
00:52:35,709 --> 00:52:37,875
Go ahead, Gavin.
It's fine.

888
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:41,372
He put his hand in my pants.

889
00:52:41,375 --> 00:52:43,539
Did he put it on the outside?

890
00:52:43,542 --> 00:52:45,288
Inside.
Inside?

891
00:52:45,291 --> 00:52:47,163
What did he do next?

892
00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:49,709
He started...
masturbating me.

893
00:52:50,458 --> 00:52:52,247
Okay.

894
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:53,542
Yeah.

895
00:52:54,917 --> 00:52:57,789
I told him
I didn't want to do that.

896
00:52:57,792 --> 00:53:00,414
Did he stop?
I told him not to.

897
00:53:00,417 --> 00:53:02,747
He kept on doing it.

898
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:05,417
In the time
that I was with Wade...

899
00:53:07,583 --> 00:53:10,997
you know, he didn't hear
from Michael a whole lot.

900
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,583
Michael all of a sudden
started to, um,

901
00:53:16,417 --> 00:53:19,872
was starting to communicate with Wade a
whole bunch and reaching out to him.

902
00:53:19,875 --> 00:53:22,789
But it was like, everyday.

903
00:53:22,792 --> 00:53:25,122
The first conversation

904
00:53:25,125 --> 00:53:29,083
after he was arrested
was like...

905
00:53:31,417 --> 00:53:34,163
a continuation, like
picking right back up

906
00:53:34,166 --> 00:53:38,455
from the phone conversations
when I was 11,

907
00:53:38,458 --> 00:53:42,455
and the Jordy Chandler
investigation was going on.

908
00:53:42,458 --> 00:53:45,750
"Here they are again,
trying to take me down.

909
00:53:47,041 --> 00:53:49,288
These evil people."

910
00:53:54,083 --> 00:53:57,831
I would like to thank
the fans around the world...

911
00:53:57,834 --> 00:53:59,288
Can you speak up, please?

912
00:53:59,291 --> 00:54:02,125
I would like to thank
the fans around the world

913
00:54:02,792 --> 00:54:05,872
for your love and your support,
from every corner of the Earth.

914
00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:07,747
My family,
who's been very supportive.

915
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:10,455
My brother Randy,
who's been incredible.

916
00:54:10,458 --> 00:54:13,288
I wanna thank the community
of Santa Maria.

917
00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:15,664
I want you to know that I...

918
00:54:15,667 --> 00:54:18,542
I love the community
of Santa Maria very much.

919
00:54:19,375 --> 00:54:22,455
It's my community.
I love the people.

920
00:54:22,458 --> 00:54:24,580
I will always love the people.
My children were born

921
00:54:24,583 --> 00:54:27,288
in this community.
My home is in this community.

922
00:54:27,291 --> 00:54:28,747
I will always love
this community

923
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:30,247
from the bottom of my heart.

924
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:32,792
That's why I moved here.
Thank you very much.

925
00:54:34,834 --> 00:54:39,080
So, I was 21
or 22 at this point,

926
00:54:39,083 --> 00:54:42,497
and I really did not wanna
go through this again.

927
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,914
I did not wanna testify.

928
00:54:44,917 --> 00:54:48,580
So, at some point,
I worked up the courage

929
00:54:48,583 --> 00:54:52,792
to tell Michael
that I don't wanna testify.

930
00:54:53,375 --> 00:54:57,208
I remember silence
on the phone for a while.

931
00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:02,038
He said, "You know, I...

932
00:55:02,041 --> 00:55:06,664
"You know, I understand. I understand
it's really hard and it's...

933
00:55:06,667 --> 00:55:10,375
"it's tough to go through this with
all of the media and everything.

934
00:55:13,208 --> 00:55:17,333
"Yeah, but, you know,
we can't let them do this to us.

935
00:55:19,166 --> 00:55:21,375
We can't let them take us down."

936
00:55:22,834 --> 00:55:25,500
Us, us, us, you know?

937
00:55:27,250 --> 00:55:30,080
I was kind of breaking, like,

938
00:55:30,083 --> 00:55:32,250
having a nervous breakdown.

939
00:55:33,250 --> 00:55:34,956
And I didn't wanna be involved.

940
00:55:34,959 --> 00:55:37,125
And so I told my mom...

941
00:55:38,125 --> 00:55:41,875
then that he wasn't
a good person.

942
00:55:44,208 --> 00:55:45,792
And that, um...

943
00:55:46,667 --> 00:55:48,375
I don't want them involved.

944
00:55:50,583 --> 00:55:52,583
So, that was tough.

945
00:55:55,625 --> 00:55:58,414
Jimmy was
over, and he said to me,

946
00:55:58,417 --> 00:56:01,122
"Michael's an evil man."

947
00:56:01,125 --> 00:56:03,789
And I just said okay.

948
00:56:03,792 --> 00:56:08,580
And... I stood up
and I hugged him.

949
00:56:08,583 --> 00:56:11,247
And, "Do you wanna go to...
Do you wanna go get help?"

950
00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:14,288
"Oh, no, no, Mom!
And you can't tell anybody!

951
00:56:14,291 --> 00:56:16,664
You can't... "He was so afraid

952
00:56:16,667 --> 00:56:19,414
that I would tell somebody.

953
00:56:19,417 --> 00:56:22,080
Super scared, like...

954
00:56:22,083 --> 00:56:23,831
like a nervous-breakdown scared.

955
00:56:23,834 --> 00:56:27,706
It was a begging sort of,
"You can't tell anybody!"

956
00:56:27,709 --> 00:56:30,622
"I promise that. I promise
I won't tell anybody."

957
00:56:30,625 --> 00:56:34,706
And I felt that I had fucked up
so much the first time,

958
00:56:34,709 --> 00:56:38,914
that I wasn't the mother that
I should've been, guarding him,

959
00:56:38,917 --> 00:56:41,580
that he's come to me
with this truth

960
00:56:41,583 --> 00:56:44,789
that's killing him right now,

961
00:56:44,792 --> 00:56:47,288
I wasn't gonna tell anybody.

962
00:56:47,291 --> 00:56:49,997
I could be there for him now.

963
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,664
I didn't talk with her
really about it.

964
00:56:53,667 --> 00:56:55,789
I couldn't talk about it.

965
00:56:55,792 --> 00:57:00,291
I just said enough
to, like, not get them involved.

966
00:57:01,834 --> 00:57:04,789
And she never... pushed.

967
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,831
For once in his
life, Michael Jackson

968
00:57:08,834 --> 00:57:10,706
was not the center of attention,

969
00:57:10,709 --> 00:57:14,372
even though this has been
a crucial day in his trial.

970
00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,455
The focus instead
was on the defense's

971
00:57:16,458 --> 00:57:19,372
first celebrity witness,
the actor Macaulay Culkin.

972
00:57:19,375 --> 00:57:22,122
The prosecution had suggested

973
00:57:22,125 --> 00:57:25,997
that in the early 1990s, he was
one of a number of young boys

974
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,959
who'd been sexually
abused by Jackson.

975
00:57:30,166 --> 00:57:33,831
Actually, Wade had asked me not to
testify, that's how it started.

976
00:57:33,834 --> 00:57:36,080
He came to me and said,

977
00:57:36,083 --> 00:57:38,163
"I do not want you
to testify this time.

978
00:57:38,166 --> 00:57:40,497
I'm not going to either."

979
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,872
And he said, "Just...
You know, I don't wanna

980
00:57:42,875 --> 00:57:44,831
go through all that again.
I've had enough."

981
00:57:44,834 --> 00:57:47,747
I said, "Well, okay, I'm gonna
ask you as an adult now."

982
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:50,497
He was 21 at this point. I said,
"I haven't asked you this

983
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:52,706
"for many, many years,
since you were a child.

984
00:57:52,709 --> 00:57:55,080
"But I'm gonna ask you one
more time, as an adult.

985
00:57:55,083 --> 00:57:59,038
Did Michael ever do anything
inappropriate with you?"

986
00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:02,539
And he, once again, looked
me in the eye and said, "No.

987
00:58:02,542 --> 00:58:04,539
He never did."

988
00:58:04,542 --> 00:58:05,956
I said, "So..."

989
00:58:05,959 --> 00:58:08,080
I said, "I think
you need to testify.

990
00:58:08,083 --> 00:58:09,372
This is your friend."

991
00:58:09,375 --> 00:58:11,622
And I said,
"I think at this point,

992
00:58:11,625 --> 00:58:13,163
"you and Macaulay Culkin
are probably

993
00:58:13,166 --> 00:58:16,455
"the only two people in
the world who can save him.

994
00:58:16,458 --> 00:58:17,914
"And if Michael goes to prison,

995
00:58:17,917 --> 00:58:20,205
he won't survive prison,
you know that."

996
00:58:20,208 --> 00:58:22,872
Like, I would have dreams and...

997
00:58:22,875 --> 00:58:25,414
Of Michael being in jail

998
00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:27,706
and being killed in jail,

999
00:58:27,709 --> 00:58:30,914
or dying in jail.
I mean, just like...

1000
00:58:30,917 --> 00:58:34,372
Those two things,
Michael Jackson and jail,

1001
00:58:34,375 --> 00:58:37,122
just did not go together for me.

1002
00:58:37,125 --> 00:58:42,539
I mean, I still...
loved him deeply, you know?

1003
00:58:42,542 --> 00:58:45,247
Macaulay Culkin
almost single-handedly

1004
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:47,497
devastated and shook
the foundation

1005
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:51,580
of the prosecution's pattern
evidence against Michael Jackson.

1006
00:58:51,583 --> 00:58:53,747
Certainly, if
the jury believes Culkin,

1007
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:56,622
it will be a significant
boost for the defense.

1008
00:59:01,417 --> 00:59:04,163
And he asked me to testify,

1009
00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:06,664
and, um, I said no.

1010
00:59:06,667 --> 00:59:09,622
And he got really angry at me,

1011
00:59:09,625 --> 00:59:12,291
and, um, he threatened me.

1012
00:59:13,792 --> 00:59:15,455
I had never seen him this angry.

1013
00:59:15,458 --> 00:59:18,789
It was like, more like,
"Okay, you're enemy now."

1014
00:59:18,792 --> 00:59:21,122
He threatened me
with his lawyers,

1015
00:59:21,125 --> 00:59:24,080
and said that I had perjured
myself years ago,

1016
00:59:24,083 --> 00:59:27,831
and that he has the best
lawyers in the world and...

1017
00:59:27,834 --> 00:59:29,914
that they were gonna get me.

1018
00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:33,080
And I just said,

1019
00:59:33,083 --> 00:59:37,205
"I don't want any part of it.
You'll hear nothing from me.

1020
00:59:37,208 --> 00:59:38,539
You know, don't worry."

1021
00:59:38,542 --> 00:59:40,789
I was just trying
to calm him down

1022
00:59:40,792 --> 00:59:43,414
to get him off the phone.

1023
00:59:52,291 --> 00:59:56,000
The last time I talked to him
was near the end of the trial.

1024
00:59:58,166 --> 01:00:00,706
And he tried again to...

1025
01:00:00,709 --> 01:00:03,291
He wanted me to testify.

1026
01:00:04,166 --> 01:00:08,831
And he, like,
went into a spiel about...

1027
01:00:08,834 --> 01:00:11,163
"I'm sorry I haven't
been there for you,

1028
01:00:11,166 --> 01:00:13,163
"like, for directing
and all that stuff.

1029
01:00:13,166 --> 01:00:15,333
"Let's do something.

1030
01:00:16,583 --> 01:00:18,625
I know I haven't been there."

1031
01:00:19,417 --> 01:00:21,956
And, uh, I cut
the conversation short.

1032
01:00:21,959 --> 01:00:24,333
I just said, you know,

1033
01:00:25,083 --> 01:00:27,834
"Just don't call again,"
and I hung up.

1034
01:00:28,792 --> 01:00:31,500
And that was the last time
I spoke to him.

1035
01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:38,997
Michael, he had
been reminding Wade,

1036
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,038
you know, how Wade
could support him

1037
01:00:41,041 --> 01:00:43,414
and how much he loved him.

1038
01:00:43,417 --> 01:00:45,664
He wanted to talk to me, saying,

1039
01:00:45,667 --> 01:00:48,038
you know, how much
he cared about me

1040
01:00:48,041 --> 01:00:50,831
and how happy I was
in Wade's life, and...

1041
01:00:50,834 --> 01:00:53,834
Suddenly having a lot of, uh...

1042
01:00:55,041 --> 01:00:58,038
interest in Wade's life,
and how he was doing,

1043
01:00:58,041 --> 01:01:00,414
and that felt
really good to Wade.

1044
01:01:00,417 --> 01:01:02,375
And then within...

1045
01:01:03,333 --> 01:01:05,914
a week or so after that,

1046
01:01:05,917 --> 01:01:10,041
I received a subpoena
to testify.

1047
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:24,038
Reportedly, the grand
jury will hear testimony

1048
01:01:24,041 --> 01:01:26,956
from Jackson's now
14-year-old accuser.

1049
01:01:26,959 --> 01:01:29,706
But it's also been reported
that testimony will be heard

1050
01:01:29,709 --> 01:01:32,872
from Jackson's 1993
molestation case,

1051
01:01:32,875 --> 01:01:35,414
which was settled out of court.

1052
01:01:35,417 --> 01:01:37,455
I remember asking Wade,

1053
01:01:37,458 --> 01:01:40,914
"Nothing happened to you,
right? Like, you were never...

1054
01:01:40,917 --> 01:01:42,872
Like, he never did
anything to you, did he?"

1055
01:01:42,875 --> 01:01:46,330
I just needed to...
just put it out there.

1056
01:01:46,333 --> 01:01:48,539
And he assured me,

1057
01:01:48,542 --> 01:01:51,625
"No. No. Never."

1058
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:54,539
And I believed him.

1059
01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:59,747
The idea of this truth

1060
01:01:59,750 --> 01:02:03,247
coming out, and Amanda
knowing about it,

1061
01:02:03,250 --> 01:02:05,455
and my family knowing about it,

1062
01:02:05,458 --> 01:02:08,455
and everybody in
the entertainment business,

1063
01:02:08,458 --> 01:02:11,622
in my career knowing about it,

1064
01:02:11,625 --> 01:02:15,247
I mean, was just
a ridiculous idea

1065
01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:17,789
that was never going to happen,
in my mind,

1066
01:02:17,792 --> 01:02:21,583
because, in my mind,
my whole life would be over.

1067
01:02:22,750 --> 01:02:27,330
If I questioned Michael's...

1068
01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:30,625
perspective, that he was
telling me about Gavin,

1069
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:35,622
that I felt like I would,
you know, I would break,

1070
01:02:35,625 --> 01:02:38,875
like, I couldn't be
as strong as I needed to be.

1071
01:02:46,667 --> 01:02:48,288
He was worried.

1072
01:02:48,291 --> 01:02:52,330
We had had dinner the night
before at Neverland,

1073
01:02:52,333 --> 01:02:55,288
and he was definitely subdued.

1074
01:03:00,667 --> 01:03:04,247
So, we were at the
ranch with all his family.

1075
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:06,455
Michael didn't look well.

1076
01:03:06,458 --> 01:03:07,997
He looked very sick.

1077
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,789
His kids were there,
everybody was there.

1078
01:03:11,792 --> 01:03:15,875
Like, his mind was just
in a whole nother place.

1079
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,208
I remember...
all of us sitting at dinner.

1080
01:03:21,041 --> 01:03:25,709
And... Paris, his daughter,

1081
01:03:27,458 --> 01:03:30,622
just wanting to-to...

1082
01:03:30,625 --> 01:03:32,539
wanting her dad's attention.

1083
01:03:32,542 --> 01:03:35,914
Kind of like, pulling on his
arm, and pulling on his fingers,

1084
01:03:35,917 --> 01:03:38,038
and "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy!"

1085
01:03:38,041 --> 01:03:41,872
And he was, I mean,
he just, he wasn't there.

1086
01:03:41,875 --> 01:03:44,914
I remember that,
just feeling really sad.

1087
01:03:44,917 --> 01:03:47,580
What if he loses?
What if he goes to jail?

1088
01:03:47,583 --> 01:03:49,539
You know, and these are
the last couple of times

1089
01:03:49,542 --> 01:03:52,375
that they see
their daddy, you know?

1090
01:03:53,166 --> 01:03:57,000
Which built my conviction
even that much more

1091
01:03:58,250 --> 01:04:00,834
to, uh, to save him.

1092
01:04:01,417 --> 01:04:06,497
I think that definitely
helped Wade to go into the...

1093
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:08,872
you know, court room feeling,

1094
01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:11,455
you know, that he wanted
to support Michael,

1095
01:04:11,458 --> 01:04:13,414
and feeling good about that.

1096
01:04:17,792 --> 01:04:20,497
To me, it was like
here was his, you know,

1097
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:24,041
lifelong friend that
just really needed him.

1098
01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:26,997
Looking back,

1099
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,914
I mean, it's horrifying
to think about,

1100
01:04:29,917 --> 01:04:32,458
you know, the...

1101
01:04:33,542 --> 01:04:37,583
what that experience
really represented for Wade.

1102
01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:40,038
Love is so powerful.

1103
01:04:45,917 --> 01:04:48,125
And I remember how...

1104
01:04:49,291 --> 01:04:51,288
white he looked,

1105
01:04:51,291 --> 01:04:55,539
and his face was
really thin, drawn out.

1106
01:04:55,542 --> 01:04:57,706
Innocent! Innocent!
Innocent!

1107
01:04:57,709 --> 01:04:59,750
He looked like a statue.

1108
01:05:01,458 --> 01:05:03,125
Lifeless.

1109
01:05:09,709 --> 01:05:14,122
I testified, which was hard.

1110
01:05:14,125 --> 01:05:18,122
I mean, I think for anybody,
being on the stand

1111
01:05:18,125 --> 01:05:21,458
is just a scary scenario.

1112
01:05:22,208 --> 01:05:25,497
Because you feel like lawyers
and different are attacking you,

1113
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:27,580
and they're saying
different things, and...

1114
01:05:27,583 --> 01:05:30,831
you know, you have
this feeling of, like...

1115
01:05:30,834 --> 01:05:33,706
did I just put
my friend in jail?

1116
01:05:33,709 --> 01:05:35,330
I was up there
for a couple hours.

1117
01:05:35,333 --> 01:05:37,288
The whole scenario was intense.

1118
01:05:37,291 --> 01:05:40,914
Wade was up for a long time.

1119
01:05:40,917 --> 01:05:43,205
You know, if this
didn't go well for Michael,

1120
01:05:43,208 --> 01:05:45,997
he was gonna go to jail
for the rest of his life.

1121
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,497
I was going to my grave
with that truth,

1122
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:52,539
of the sexual stuff that
happened between Michael and I.

1123
01:05:52,542 --> 01:05:54,414
There was no way in hell

1124
01:05:54,417 --> 01:05:57,667
I was ever telling
anybody in the universe.

1125
01:05:59,083 --> 01:06:00,709
And that was... period.

1126
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:03,080
Choreographer Wade Robson

1127
01:06:03,083 --> 01:06:05,247
acknowledged sharing
a bed with the singer

1128
01:06:05,250 --> 01:06:07,205
many times when he was a child,

1129
01:06:07,208 --> 01:06:09,539
but he denied
ever being molested.

1130
01:06:09,542 --> 01:06:12,372
"Did Mr. Jackson
ever molest you at any time,"

1131
01:06:12,375 --> 01:06:13,872
the defense lawyer asked.

1132
01:06:13,875 --> 01:06:16,622
"No, never,"
Wade Robson replied.

1133
01:06:16,625 --> 01:06:20,122
That contradicts testimony from
a former Michael Jackson maid,

1134
01:06:20,125 --> 01:06:23,372
who'd said she'd seen the
singer showering with the boy.

1135
01:06:23,375 --> 01:06:25,539
We've seen a parade
of witnesses saying

1136
01:06:25,542 --> 01:06:28,205
Michael Jackson's not a good
guy, this is what I saw him do.

1137
01:06:28,208 --> 01:06:31,539
If you can get one or two
or three people on that stand

1138
01:06:31,542 --> 01:06:34,330
who say,
"They were talking about me.

1139
01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:37,455
It never happened,"
very powerful.

1140
01:06:37,458 --> 01:06:40,414
Innocent! Innocent!
Innocent!

1141
01:06:40,417 --> 01:06:43,205
We the jury in
the above entitled case

1142
01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:47,789
find the defendant not guilty of
a lewd act upon a minor child.

1143
01:06:47,792 --> 01:06:49,914
Count four verdict: Not guilty.

1144
01:06:49,917 --> 01:06:52,831
Count five verdict: Not guilty.

1145
01:06:55,583 --> 01:06:57,747
And there it is, all 10 counts.

1146
01:06:57,750 --> 01:07:00,080
Not guilty on all 10 counts.

1147
01:07:00,083 --> 01:07:03,914
Michael Jackson will be
walking out of this courtroom

1148
01:07:03,917 --> 01:07:05,455
a free man.

1149
01:07:05,458 --> 01:07:09,539
Michael's innocent!
Michael's innocent!

1150
01:07:09,542 --> 01:07:13,163
A jury of 12 decided
the outcome of this trial.

1151
01:07:13,166 --> 01:07:15,038
Using the standard
of reasonable doubt,

1152
01:07:15,041 --> 01:07:17,664
they rendered a verdict
that was based on the facts

1153
01:07:17,667 --> 01:07:20,539
and evidence and within
the guidelines of the law.

1154
01:07:20,542 --> 01:07:23,080
We expected probably
better evidence,

1155
01:07:23,083 --> 01:07:24,539
you know, something that was

1156
01:07:24,542 --> 01:07:26,247
a little more convincing.

1157
01:07:26,250 --> 01:07:30,122
We just couldn't abide
the story of the mother for one.

1158
01:07:30,125 --> 01:07:34,291
I disliked it intensely when
she snapped her fingers at us.

1159
01:07:35,166 --> 01:07:39,205
That's when I thought, "Don't
snap your fingers at me, lady."

1160
01:07:42,291 --> 01:07:47,122
I feel that, uh, Michael Jackson

1161
01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:49,288
probably has molested boys.

1162
01:07:49,291 --> 01:07:53,080
After some of the testimony
was offered,

1163
01:07:53,083 --> 01:07:55,163
I can't believe that,

1164
01:07:55,166 --> 01:07:59,205
that this man could sleep
in the same

1165
01:07:59,208 --> 01:08:03,247
bedroom for 365 straight days,

1166
01:08:03,250 --> 01:08:06,497
uh, and not do something more

1167
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:09,455
than just watch television
and eat popcorn.

1168
01:08:11,291 --> 01:08:14,956
Yeah, like, I can't
imagine if I was Gavin,

1169
01:08:14,959 --> 01:08:18,288
or if I was Jordy at that time.

1170
01:08:18,291 --> 01:08:21,580
You know, no-no justice...
being served,

1171
01:08:21,583 --> 01:08:25,333
and not being believed
by so many people.

1172
01:08:27,542 --> 01:08:29,709
For Gavin, I wish I...

1173
01:08:30,583 --> 01:08:32,997
was at a place where

1174
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,497
I could tell the truth and...

1175
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:39,041
be a comrade with him.

1176
01:08:40,417 --> 01:08:43,080
You know, stopping
Michael and stopping

1177
01:08:43,083 --> 01:08:47,291
a lot of other kids
from being abused.

1178
01:08:48,375 --> 01:08:50,914
I just wasn't ready.

1179
01:08:50,917 --> 01:08:53,288
I wasn't able, when I was 11,

1180
01:08:53,291 --> 01:08:55,417
and when I was 22.

1181
01:08:56,542 --> 01:09:00,038
And I remember feeling
happy, for sure,

1182
01:09:00,041 --> 01:09:04,417
that he was acquitted,
that he wasn't going to jail.

1183
01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:09,539
I didn't believe or understand

1184
01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:11,372
that the sexual stuff
that happened

1185
01:09:11,375 --> 01:09:13,875
between Michael and I was abuse.

1186
01:09:15,250 --> 01:09:19,580
I didn't feel like
I was hurt by it.

1187
01:09:19,583 --> 01:09:23,664
That it was anything bad
that happened to me.

1188
01:09:23,667 --> 01:09:25,917
At that point, it was...

1189
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:31,789
I loved Michael.
Michael loved me.

1190
01:09:31,792 --> 01:09:35,539
This was something that
happened between us, that's it.

1191
01:09:35,542 --> 01:09:40,163
But I still had absolutely no
understanding that I was affected.

1192
01:09:40,166 --> 01:09:43,247
Or any feeling that
I was affected negatively.

1193
01:10:02,583 --> 01:10:04,914
In other news, could
Michael Jackson be planning

1194
01:10:04,917 --> 01:10:07,205
a comeback right
here in Las Vegas?

1195
01:10:07,208 --> 01:10:10,205
Lately, he has been
hiding out overseas,

1196
01:10:10,208 --> 01:10:13,163
making no public
appearances at all,

1197
01:10:13,166 --> 01:10:15,288
until, that is, Christmas Eve,

1198
01:10:15,291 --> 01:10:18,288
when he suddenly showed up
here at Caesar's Palace,

1199
01:10:18,291 --> 01:10:19,497
out of the blue,

1200
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:22,956
and began doing holiday
shopping with his kids.

1201
01:10:29,917 --> 01:10:33,997
I was in Vegas for...

1202
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,122
maybe about six months,
and I was choreographing

1203
01:10:36,125 --> 01:10:39,122
a Cirque Du Soleil show.

1204
01:10:39,125 --> 01:10:42,372
And at that point, Michael was
living in Vegas with his kids.

1205
01:10:45,458 --> 01:10:47,288
I wanted him to come see
the show,

1206
01:10:47,291 --> 01:10:49,997
and I asked him to write
some words

1207
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,333
for the dancers in the show, some words of
inspiration before opening night and...

1208
01:10:56,834 --> 01:10:59,500
And one of the things he kept...

1209
01:11:00,625 --> 01:11:05,664
asking as we were
planning getting together was,

1210
01:11:05,667 --> 01:11:08,497
"You know, make sure... you're
gonna bring some wine? Yeah?"

1211
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:12,831
So, this was a new dynamic,
which I liked as well 'cause I,

1212
01:11:12,834 --> 01:11:16,831
you know, me trying to have this
kind of normal experience with him.

1213
01:11:16,834 --> 01:11:19,414
Like, wow, cool. I'll be able
to sit there with Michael

1214
01:11:19,417 --> 01:11:21,330
and have a glass of wine and...

1215
01:11:21,333 --> 01:11:24,122
talk about real
stuff and, you know.

1216
01:11:32,458 --> 01:11:35,330
Amanda and I go
to the grocery store and get

1217
01:11:35,333 --> 01:11:37,122
hot dogs and all
that kind of stuff,

1218
01:11:37,125 --> 01:11:39,831
and couple bottle
of wines and...

1219
01:11:39,834 --> 01:11:41,834
and go to the house.

1220
01:11:42,917 --> 01:11:45,583
And so, it's Michael
and the three kids.

1221
01:11:46,417 --> 01:11:47,872
You know, once we got in,

1222
01:11:47,875 --> 01:11:50,497
one of the first
things he asked was,

1223
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:52,205
"Did you bring the wine?"

1224
01:11:52,208 --> 01:11:53,914
We had some, um,

1225
01:11:53,917 --> 01:11:56,414
those sort of larger
red plastic cups

1226
01:11:56,417 --> 01:11:58,997
and he grabbed one
of those and just

1227
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,539
filled one up to the brim,
you know, with white wine,

1228
01:12:02,542 --> 01:12:05,288
and just chugged it down,

1229
01:12:05,291 --> 01:12:08,875
and then he kept going back
and was filling it up and...

1230
01:12:09,333 --> 01:12:11,330
So, I mean, this was
my first experience

1231
01:12:11,333 --> 01:12:14,831
of ever seeing him drink at all.

1232
01:12:14,834 --> 01:12:17,122
It was nice, and we would
crack some jokes.

1233
01:12:17,125 --> 01:12:19,163
There was still that feeling
of kind of reminiscing

1234
01:12:19,166 --> 01:12:21,831
about our relationship
from the past.

1235
01:12:21,834 --> 01:12:25,539
We watched a movie
with the kids.

1236
01:12:25,542 --> 01:12:28,625
You know, he just kept...
kept drinking.

1237
01:12:30,917 --> 01:12:32,580
And then at some point,

1238
01:12:32,583 --> 01:12:36,747
we're getting kind
of into the evening,

1239
01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:40,875
Michael says, "I'm gonna
go upstairs for a second."

1240
01:12:42,333 --> 01:12:44,414
Thirty minutes goes by,

1241
01:12:44,417 --> 01:12:46,831
an hour goes by, um,

1242
01:12:46,834 --> 01:12:49,372
you know, nothing from Michael,
he never comes back down.

1243
01:12:49,375 --> 01:12:51,497
Probably an hour,
hour and a half,

1244
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:53,789
and we're just there with the
kids, and it's getting late now.

1245
01:12:53,792 --> 01:12:56,583
It's like 10,
or something like that.

1246
01:12:57,125 --> 01:13:00,622
So, Amanda and I are like,
"What do we...?"

1247
01:13:00,625 --> 01:13:02,872
You know, "What do we do?"

1248
01:13:02,875 --> 01:13:06,038
And I remember
asking the kids, like,

1249
01:13:06,041 --> 01:13:07,789
"Do you wanna go check on...

1250
01:13:07,792 --> 01:13:09,956
on your dad, if he's okay?"

1251
01:13:09,959 --> 01:13:12,166
And they were just
sort of like, "Nah.

1252
01:13:13,041 --> 01:13:14,831
He's fine."

1253
01:13:14,834 --> 01:13:16,580
Like it was, I mean,
it was noth...

1254
01:13:16,583 --> 01:13:19,792
It seemed like it was nothing
out of the ordinary for them.

1255
01:13:20,959 --> 01:13:24,291
And that was
the last time I saw him.

1256
01:13:37,709 --> 01:13:39,372
We're getting some
breaking news coming into

1257
01:13:39,375 --> 01:13:40,956
the Situation Room right now.

1258
01:13:40,959 --> 01:13:43,831
What are we picking up?
Apparently, Michael Jackson

1259
01:13:43,834 --> 01:13:46,163
suffered cardiac
arrest this afternoon.

1260
01:13:46,166 --> 01:13:49,330
He was rushed
to UCLA Medical Center.

1261
01:13:49,333 --> 01:13:51,747
CNN sources are now saying,

1262
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:54,664
multiple sources,
that Michael Jackson

1263
01:13:54,667 --> 01:13:56,330
is in a coma.

1264
01:13:56,333 --> 01:13:57,872
You see the number of people

1265
01:13:57,875 --> 01:14:00,288
that have already gathered
outside the hospital.

1266
01:14:00,291 --> 01:14:02,831
If that isn't testament
to the star power

1267
01:14:02,834 --> 01:14:05,709
of Michael Jackson,
I don't know what is.

1268
01:14:14,125 --> 01:14:17,956
I was in my house.

1269
01:14:17,959 --> 01:14:21,667
I was working on some
choreography for a show.

1270
01:14:22,208 --> 01:14:24,872
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

1271
01:14:24,875 --> 01:14:28,914
And I believe it
was a friend of mine

1272
01:14:28,917 --> 01:14:32,000
who texted me and said,
"Turn on the news.

1273
01:14:33,041 --> 01:14:34,080
Now."

1274
01:14:35,709 --> 01:14:38,497
I think the first image I saw

1275
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:42,622
was the paramedics

1276
01:14:42,625 --> 01:14:47,583
that were carrying Michael
to the hospital.

1277
01:14:48,417 --> 01:14:51,330
You know, that Michael had had
some sort of cardiac arrest

1278
01:14:51,333 --> 01:14:52,831
or something like that.

1279
01:14:52,834 --> 01:14:55,747
And we're just
getting this in right now,

1280
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:58,455
and it's very, very sad news,

1281
01:14:58,458 --> 01:15:00,872
Jim Moret and to
all of our viewers.

1282
01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:03,038
Both the Los Angeles Times

1283
01:15:03,041 --> 01:15:06,372
and CBS News are
both now reporting

1284
01:15:06,375 --> 01:15:08,831
that Michael Jackson has died.

1285
01:15:08,834 --> 01:15:12,163
CNN can now confirm
from the LA Coroner

1286
01:15:12,166 --> 01:15:13,956
that Michael Jackson is dead.

1287
01:15:13,959 --> 01:15:17,497
Jackson appeared to
have suffered from cardiac arrest.

1288
01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:18,914
He was 50 years old.

1289
01:15:18,917 --> 01:15:22,083
Michael! Michael!
Michael...

1290
01:15:23,542 --> 01:15:25,914
It's not like I just got a call

1291
01:15:25,917 --> 01:15:29,622
from my friend's mother
to tell me that my friend died.

1292
01:15:29,625 --> 01:15:32,831
You know, you're watching it,
like, on a newscast.

1293
01:15:32,834 --> 01:15:35,205
You know, just a whole
different way of finding out

1294
01:15:35,208 --> 01:15:38,458
that somebody you know died,
and I'm a mess.

1295
01:15:39,458 --> 01:15:43,414
Are you serious? Yeah, no, he died
of a heart attack tonight in LA.

1296
01:15:43,417 --> 01:15:46,288
A heart attack!?

1297
01:15:49,125 --> 01:15:51,747
So much of my
story, so much of my life,

1298
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:54,914
has been him,
you know, I came to America.

1299
01:15:54,917 --> 01:15:58,372
Like, everything, and he's been
such a big part of our life...

1300
01:15:58,375 --> 01:16:02,122
then all of sudden, just gone.

1301
01:16:02,125 --> 01:16:04,831
I guess you'd
call it being in shock.

1302
01:16:04,834 --> 01:16:06,834
I mean, just being...

1303
01:16:07,625 --> 01:16:11,125
numb and not believing.

1304
01:16:16,208 --> 01:16:20,122
I was at work, and I
think a friend of mine texted.

1305
01:16:20,125 --> 01:16:23,956
Said, "I'm sorry,"
and I was like, for what?

1306
01:16:23,959 --> 01:16:26,750
And then I looked on
the news and saw it and...

1307
01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:29,497
I was sad.

1308
01:16:29,500 --> 01:16:33,497
My first reaction
was being really sad.

1309
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:36,288
It's like we would
never be friends again.

1310
01:16:36,291 --> 01:16:38,288
I'd never know him again.

1311
01:16:38,291 --> 01:16:40,372
I danced when
I heard that he died.

1312
01:16:40,375 --> 01:16:42,747
I was laying in bed.
The news came on.

1313
01:16:42,750 --> 01:16:44,497
I got out of bed and I was,

1314
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:48,747
"Oh, thank God. He can't
hurt anymore children."

1315
01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:51,497
Those were my thoughts,
and I danced.

1316
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:54,247
He can't hurt anymore children!

1317
01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:57,667
I was so happy he died.

1318
01:16:59,333 --> 01:17:02,997
I had a jacket that
Michael had given me.

1319
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,291
I curled up in bed
with the jacket for a week.

1320
01:17:06,875 --> 01:17:09,667
I could not believe it.

1321
01:17:10,875 --> 01:17:14,122
It was like, it was losing
a family member.

1322
01:17:14,125 --> 01:17:15,872
We had loved him
for a long time.

1323
01:17:15,875 --> 01:17:19,500
We'd been friends
with him for over 20 years.

1324
01:17:20,041 --> 01:17:22,539
It was hard to accept.

1325
01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:28,372
You know, you drive in the car,

1326
01:17:28,375 --> 01:17:31,580
and you hear
their music and you cry.

1327
01:17:31,583 --> 01:17:33,664
It's all around
you all the time,

1328
01:17:33,667 --> 01:17:36,497
so you grieve for multiple
days, you know, and you have

1329
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,330
beautiful moments where you
remember beautiful memories

1330
01:17:39,333 --> 01:17:41,664
of being at the ranch
and all these great things

1331
01:17:41,667 --> 01:17:44,372
and remembering him
as a beautiful person,

1332
01:17:44,375 --> 01:17:47,205
but then also being...
feeling really sad.

1333
01:18:00,041 --> 01:18:01,747
I didn't know how to feel.

1334
01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:05,914
I just kind of started going for
walks around the neighborhood.

1335
01:18:05,917 --> 01:18:08,372
And, you know, people are
trying to call me like crazy,

1336
01:18:08,375 --> 01:18:11,414
and get in contact with me, and
I didn't wanna talk to anybody.

1337
01:18:11,417 --> 01:18:12,914
I didn't wanna talk
to my mother,

1338
01:18:12,917 --> 01:18:14,580
I didn't wanna talk to anyone.

1339
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:19,580
I remember him
just sitting on curbs

1340
01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:23,205
and just being really
incredibly emotional.

1341
01:18:23,208 --> 01:18:25,580
A lot of...

1342
01:18:25,583 --> 01:18:29,205
yeah, a lot of, like,
curling up and crying.

1343
01:18:29,208 --> 01:18:33,205
And the press inquiries were
coming through my agents and...

1344
01:18:33,208 --> 01:18:35,330
and it got to the point
where they finally said to me,

1345
01:18:35,333 --> 01:18:37,914
"Listen, you gotta
do a statement."

1346
01:18:37,917 --> 01:18:40,914
So, I remember going to...

1347
01:18:40,917 --> 01:18:44,959
a sort of park in Santa Monica
to sit down and try and...

1348
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,291
figure out what I wanted to say.

1349
01:18:51,333 --> 01:18:56,831
It was extremely
loving and grateful

1350
01:18:56,834 --> 01:18:58,914
for Michael in my life,

1351
01:18:58,917 --> 01:19:01,622
and talking about
he's the reason I dance,

1352
01:19:01,625 --> 01:19:04,747
the reason I make music,

1353
01:19:04,750 --> 01:19:08,625
and ending with, you know, "I'll
never stop missing him, but..."

1354
01:19:09,709 --> 01:19:11,455
You know, "Now, he's..."

1355
01:19:11,458 --> 01:19:14,664
Something along the lines of,
"Now, he's," uh...

1356
01:19:14,667 --> 01:19:18,706
"blessing the heavens
with a melody and a moonwalk."

1357
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:21,372
Something like that.

1358
01:19:21,375 --> 01:19:24,580
He tried his
hard to please everybody.

1359
01:19:24,583 --> 01:19:28,497
The sick, he donates
so much money to the sick.

1360
01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:30,747
He helped the blind.
He helped...

1361
01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:33,288
everybody that needed help,

1362
01:19:33,291 --> 01:19:34,414
and he was glad to do it.

1363
01:19:34,417 --> 01:19:37,580
I've seen Michael
help so many people,

1364
01:19:37,583 --> 01:19:39,831
and sometimes,
he would go and cry about it

1365
01:19:39,834 --> 01:19:43,497
because he felt sorry for
the people that he was helping.

1366
01:19:48,583 --> 01:19:51,997
Michael had a lot
of great attributes,

1367
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,706
and he was great
in a lot of ways,

1368
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:57,250
and you loved him
in a lot of ways.

1369
01:19:59,083 --> 01:20:00,414
And then...

1370
01:20:00,417 --> 01:20:03,709
you know, Michael does
these things to you

1371
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,831
that are not healthy,

1372
01:20:07,834 --> 01:20:10,000
but you still have...

1373
01:20:10,834 --> 01:20:13,664
um, you still have love for him.

1374
01:20:13,667 --> 01:20:16,539
So, it's really hard to...

1375
01:20:16,542 --> 01:20:20,205
have those two feelings
together.

1376
01:20:20,208 --> 01:20:22,580
I still today...

1377
01:20:22,583 --> 01:20:25,038
am grappling with that.

1378
01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:35,455
It is estimated
that before it's over,

1379
01:20:35,458 --> 01:20:37,872
this will be viewed by between

1380
01:20:37,875 --> 01:20:40,080
750 million

1381
01:20:40,083 --> 01:20:43,583
to a billion people
around the world.

1382
01:20:45,166 --> 01:20:48,956
We were contacted
to come to the funeral.

1383
01:20:48,959 --> 01:20:53,330
You know, we went to the big
funeral at the Staples Center.

1384
01:20:53,333 --> 01:20:56,580
<i>♪ We are the world ♪</i>

1385
01:20:56,583 --> 01:20:59,831
<i>♪ We are the children ♪</i>

1386
01:20:59,834 --> 01:21:02,997
<i>♪ We are the ones who make
the brighter place ♪</i>

1387
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,247
<i>♪ So let's start giving ♪</i>

1388
01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:07,330
<i>♪ Let's start giving ♪</i>

1389
01:21:07,333 --> 01:21:09,956
I mean, that was
a surreal experience.

1390
01:21:09,959 --> 01:21:12,038
I mean, not your average

1391
01:21:12,041 --> 01:21:13,997
memorial or funeral.

1392
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,414
<i>♪ It's true,
we make a better... ♪</i>

1393
01:21:15,417 --> 01:21:19,455
You know, musical performances
and...

1394
01:21:19,458 --> 01:21:24,706
Michael's image
up on the massive screen.

1395
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:27,872
You know, at first it felt
like, oh, this is a big hoopla.

1396
01:21:27,875 --> 01:21:29,622
But it actually was

1397
01:21:29,625 --> 01:21:31,747
really nice,
respectful, you know.

1398
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:33,747
The fans, everybody, were quiet.

1399
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:36,122
It actually felt like
a ceremony and...

1400
01:21:36,125 --> 01:21:39,205
it was very emotional for
all of us that were there.

1401
01:21:39,208 --> 01:21:42,372
Wade sobbed at
the memorial service

1402
01:21:42,375 --> 01:21:44,956
like I've never heard him sob.

1403
01:21:44,959 --> 01:21:47,455
He put his head in his hands,

1404
01:21:47,458 --> 01:21:49,414
and actually sobbed and sobbed.

1405
01:21:49,417 --> 01:21:51,625
He didn't do that
when his father died.

1406
01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:58,664
That's the last time I remember

1407
01:21:58,667 --> 01:22:02,625
crying about him being dead.

1408
01:22:07,333 --> 01:22:10,291
And then, I went back to work.

1409
01:22:11,083 --> 01:22:12,667
I mean...

1410
01:22:15,291 --> 01:22:16,580
Yeah.

1411
01:22:16,583 --> 01:22:18,834
I went back to work, full pelt.

1412
01:22:19,667 --> 01:22:22,333
Left right, left
right, left right...

1413
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,872
Step! Step!

1414
01:22:26,875 --> 01:22:28,831
You know, it was
a new phase in my career in,

1415
01:22:28,834 --> 01:22:31,038
kind of, choreography
and stage directing.

1416
01:22:33,667 --> 01:22:34,914
Clap! Clap!

1417
01:22:34,917 --> 01:22:36,580
Amanda and I were married now.

1418
01:22:36,583 --> 01:22:40,580
We were starting to work
together a bit, creatively.

1419
01:22:40,583 --> 01:22:43,875
The phones are ringing! Like, say yes, yes!
You know, work begets work.

1420
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,664
Like this is time to explode. This
is what you've been working for.

1421
01:22:47,667 --> 01:22:51,372
But he'd be in the adrenaline
of a job,

1422
01:22:51,375 --> 01:22:56,956
and it was always followed
by lulls of depression.

1423
01:22:56,959 --> 01:22:59,038
You know, I'm just
a perfectionist, and...

1424
01:22:59,041 --> 01:23:04,375
I just was never really
able to enjoy my work.

1425
01:23:05,375 --> 01:23:07,122
It wasn't fun,

1426
01:23:07,125 --> 01:23:09,747
and the more success I gained,

1427
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:11,455
the less fun it became.

1428
01:23:11,458 --> 01:23:13,372
It was just more about pressure.

1429
01:23:19,041 --> 01:23:21,789
And he went through this really

1430
01:23:21,792 --> 01:23:24,455
dark, sort of sad,

1431
01:23:24,458 --> 01:23:27,458
lonely... a depression, in a way.

1432
01:23:30,417 --> 01:23:34,038
I don't know what's going on. I think I'm
gonna have a heart attack or something.

1433
01:23:34,041 --> 01:23:36,247
He was freaking out.

1434
01:23:36,250 --> 01:23:38,747
He was so afraid that
whatever decision he made

1435
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:40,580
was gonna be the wrong one.

1436
01:23:40,583 --> 01:23:44,080
"I've gotta stop, like...
I can't go through this

1437
01:23:44,083 --> 01:23:46,414
and not figure
out what's wrong."

1438
01:23:54,458 --> 01:23:56,706
So, we were all struggling,
trying to find out

1439
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:58,750
what all this was about.

1440
01:24:02,208 --> 01:24:06,875
Amanda is so clear about
how she felt about everything,

1441
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,792
and could communicate it,
and I just couldn't.

1442
01:24:11,458 --> 01:24:15,706
I would be sad, I would
get angry, and I just...

1443
01:24:15,709 --> 01:24:17,789
And she would ask me
what's wrong,

1444
01:24:17,792 --> 01:24:19,959
and I would just say
I don't know.

1445
01:24:27,667 --> 01:24:29,956
We had been working a ton,

1446
01:24:29,959 --> 01:24:34,205
traveling a lot, doing lots
of exciting work, and...

1447
01:24:34,208 --> 01:24:36,455
I remember telling
myself, you know,

1448
01:24:36,458 --> 01:24:38,455
when I can't think of anything

1449
01:24:38,458 --> 01:24:41,664
but becoming a mom,
that will be the time that,

1450
01:24:41,667 --> 01:24:44,333
you know, we think
about starting a family.

1451
01:24:45,792 --> 01:24:50,122
And Koa arrived on this Earth,

1452
01:24:50,125 --> 01:24:52,542
November 10th, 2010.

1453
01:24:55,417 --> 01:24:58,747
I just entered this

1454
01:24:58,750 --> 01:25:02,667
state of absolute euphoria,

1455
01:25:03,333 --> 01:25:09,500
thinking, like, this is
the most important job

1456
01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:13,747
I've ever had, being a father.

1457
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:16,539
Koa's birth was, um,

1458
01:25:16,542 --> 01:25:21,872
directly aligned
with, uh, Wade receiving,

1459
01:25:21,875 --> 01:25:25,497
um, his dream job opportunity.

1460
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:28,163
You know, Michael had
always prophesied to Wade

1461
01:25:28,166 --> 01:25:30,163
that he would be
a film director,

1462
01:25:30,166 --> 01:25:33,038
like Steven Spielberg
film director,

1463
01:25:33,041 --> 01:25:35,414
that that's what
he was working towards.

1464
01:25:35,417 --> 01:25:38,372
You know, so these are
kind of two really, uh,

1465
01:25:38,375 --> 01:25:42,956
intense life happenings
at the same time.

1466
01:25:42,959 --> 01:25:46,872
Becoming a father
and getting my first gig

1467
01:25:46,875 --> 01:25:50,205
as a feature film director.

1468
01:25:50,208 --> 01:25:53,205
The demands of the film

1469
01:25:53,208 --> 01:25:55,372
started to become more apparent.

1470
01:25:55,375 --> 01:25:57,205
It was a big budget film,

1471
01:25:57,208 --> 01:26:02,539
and there's a lot of people
looking for answers from him,

1472
01:26:02,542 --> 01:26:07,080
in reference to story, in reference
to, you know, production.

1473
01:26:07,083 --> 01:26:11,122
And fatherhood was
also on his plate.

1474
01:26:11,125 --> 01:26:15,959
I stopped being able
to sleep at all.

1475
01:26:16,667 --> 01:26:21,622
Lying in bed
for eight, nine hours,

1476
01:26:21,625 --> 01:26:23,959
staring at the walls.

1477
01:26:25,125 --> 01:26:28,706
Stressed and anxiety
and fears beyond belief.

1478
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:32,038
It gets to the point
where I'm barely operating.

1479
01:26:32,041 --> 01:26:35,122
I remove myself from the film.
I remove myself from any work.

1480
01:26:35,125 --> 01:26:38,580
I disappeared from the world.

1481
01:26:38,583 --> 01:26:41,250
You know, agents, managers,
"Don't call me."

1482
01:26:42,291 --> 01:26:45,789
I was barely talking
to my family.

1483
01:26:45,792 --> 01:26:48,247
Whatever was
going on inside of him,

1484
01:26:48,250 --> 01:26:50,122
I mean, it was relentless.

1485
01:27:01,792 --> 01:27:04,497
They say time heals
all wounds, but that...

1486
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:06,789
I don't think
time heals this one.

1487
01:27:06,792 --> 01:27:08,959
It just gets worse.

1488
01:27:12,208 --> 01:27:15,458
You can't talk to anybody
about it. You don't...

1489
01:27:16,458 --> 01:27:19,789
You don't get advice
or a perspective.

1490
01:27:19,792 --> 01:27:22,122
You're stuck...

1491
01:27:22,125 --> 01:27:24,291
keeping a secret, and then...

1492
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:28,497
So, you don't ever...

1493
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:32,706
You don't ever figure it out.
You're just stuck.

1494
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:35,455
I could see he was
having a rough time,

1495
01:27:35,458 --> 01:27:39,497
just with his body
language, and I...

1496
01:27:39,500 --> 01:27:41,747
"Do you... Honey, do you
want to go to a psychiatrist?"

1497
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:44,872
"No!" That was an absolute no.

1498
01:27:44,875 --> 01:27:46,500
Um...

1499
01:27:47,959 --> 01:27:49,831
He just wouldn't talk.
He wouldn't open up.

1500
01:27:49,834 --> 01:27:53,038
Jimmy wouldn't, was...
He was different.

1501
01:27:53,041 --> 01:27:54,789
It's fine for brief moments,

1502
01:27:54,792 --> 01:27:57,000
but when you spend years
like that,

1503
01:27:58,208 --> 01:28:00,208
and you don't sleep well...

1504
01:28:01,458 --> 01:28:03,625
you kind of go crazy.

1505
01:28:05,375 --> 01:28:06,664
When Cillian was born,

1506
01:28:06,667 --> 01:28:08,997
he had a little bit
of a breakdown.

1507
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,122
And again,
me being me, I thought,

1508
01:28:11,125 --> 01:28:13,872
"Well, this must happen to dads
when they have their first kid.

1509
01:28:13,875 --> 01:28:17,997
It just makes people feel
scared," and I understood, and...

1510
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,872
I-I know I'm probably
sounding incredibly naive,

1511
01:28:20,875 --> 01:28:22,956
but some of the things
he did and didn't do,

1512
01:28:22,959 --> 01:28:25,914
I just attributed to...
this is our life.

1513
01:28:25,917 --> 01:28:28,914
This is, you know,
he sleeps an awful lot,

1514
01:28:28,917 --> 01:28:31,372
and so I'll stay up
and I'll take care of the kids,

1515
01:28:31,375 --> 01:28:33,747
or, you know, he can't be around

1516
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:36,664
the friends and the schools
the way I am, so I'll do that.

1517
01:28:36,667 --> 01:28:39,956
It was sort of survival mode, I
guess, is a good way to put it.

1518
01:28:39,959 --> 01:28:42,455
It was like, this is our scenario,
and we love each other,

1519
01:28:42,458 --> 01:28:44,664
so we're gonna work around
whatever this is.

1520
01:28:44,667 --> 01:28:46,583
I think the...

1521
01:28:47,959 --> 01:28:52,706
abuse symptoms intensify
when you have kids.

1522
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:55,038
Like, it ramps up even more.

1523
01:28:56,458 --> 01:29:00,208
And then you see
how, like, innocent kids are.

1524
01:29:00,959 --> 01:29:03,747
I think having kids...

1525
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:06,208
kind of shoves
that in your face.

1526
01:29:07,542 --> 01:29:11,414
He's getting closer to the age
I was when I was abused.

1527
01:29:14,291 --> 01:29:19,914
So, that is difficult
to deal with and see...

1528
01:29:19,917 --> 01:29:23,917
Watch him kind of
become you at that age.

1529
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,080
Found a therapist.

1530
01:29:32,083 --> 01:29:33,539
Trying to figure out

1531
01:29:33,542 --> 01:29:35,706
what the hell was wrong with me.

1532
01:29:35,709 --> 01:29:38,122
I went through
the story of my life,

1533
01:29:38,125 --> 01:29:40,917
and I went through the...

1534
01:29:42,750 --> 01:29:45,497
story of my life with Michael,

1535
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:49,622
but just... the good parts,

1536
01:29:49,625 --> 01:29:51,997
just the creative inspiration,
and the work,

1537
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,747
and friendship,
and all of that stuff.

1538
01:29:54,750 --> 01:29:59,247
And I was saying things
at this point, like, to Amanda,

1539
01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:02,789
"I don't know...
I don't know who I am.

1540
01:30:02,792 --> 01:30:04,789
"Like, I don't know what I want.

1541
01:30:04,792 --> 01:30:07,080
"I don't know left from right.

1542
01:30:07,083 --> 01:30:09,205
"All I know is you and Koa.

1543
01:30:09,208 --> 01:30:13,080
Like, that's all that makes
any sense to me."

1544
01:30:16,917 --> 01:30:19,414
It was so incredibly
frightening,

1545
01:30:19,417 --> 01:30:23,831
'cause for him to just sit still...
he was just terr...

1546
01:30:23,834 --> 01:30:27,288
There was just terror
in his eyes, all the time.

1547
01:30:28,583 --> 01:30:30,664
I would tell myself,
like, on our porch,

1548
01:30:30,667 --> 01:30:32,956
like, "Just keep it together,"

1549
01:30:32,959 --> 01:30:35,831
like, "It's gonna be okay.

1550
01:30:35,834 --> 01:30:39,956
We're gonna... He's gonna be okay.
We're gonna figure this out."

1551
01:30:41,792 --> 01:30:47,166
So, at this point, Koa is about...
a year and a half.

1552
01:30:48,917 --> 01:30:52,747
I start to...

1553
01:30:52,750 --> 01:30:56,375
have these images of...

1554
01:30:57,417 --> 01:31:00,539
the kind of sexual stuff
that happened

1555
01:31:00,542 --> 01:31:03,205
between Michael and I

1556
01:31:03,208 --> 01:31:05,041
happening to Koa.

1557
01:31:06,166 --> 01:31:07,875
And seeing...

1558
01:31:09,166 --> 01:31:12,706
Michael doing it to Koa,

1559
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:14,834
what he did to me.

1560
01:31:15,834 --> 01:31:19,706
And my immediate...

1561
01:31:21,208 --> 01:31:26,831
...emotional, uh, reaction
to-to having those images

1562
01:31:26,834 --> 01:31:31,539
is just this, uh, rage and...

1563
01:31:31,542 --> 01:31:35,914
disgust and...
you know, violent feeling.

1564
01:31:35,917 --> 01:31:41,375
Like, I would kill anyone who
did anything like that to Koa.

1565
01:31:42,458 --> 01:31:45,250
What I started thinking was...

1566
01:31:47,125 --> 01:31:50,375
you know, how...
how can I have such...

1567
01:31:51,583 --> 01:31:53,997
clear feelings,

1568
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,580
negative, horrible
feelings about the idea

1569
01:31:57,583 --> 01:32:01,372
of that sexual stuff
happening to Koa,

1570
01:32:01,375 --> 01:32:04,747
but when I think
about Michael and I,

1571
01:32:04,750 --> 01:32:07,956
and all of that sexual stuff
going on...

1572
01:32:07,959 --> 01:32:10,747
I don't...
I don't feel anything.

1573
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:14,750
That's probably kind of weird.

1574
01:32:16,458 --> 01:32:20,163
And I start thinking, you know,
if I'm gonna go into therapy

1575
01:32:20,166 --> 01:32:22,539
and try and really
get to the bottom

1576
01:32:22,542 --> 01:32:25,372
of whatever the hell is
going on with me,

1577
01:32:25,375 --> 01:32:30,414
I probably have to talk about
the sexual stuff that went on.

1578
01:32:38,083 --> 01:32:41,872
I go in for a session
with Dr. Shaw.

1579
01:32:41,875 --> 01:32:44,625
"You know,
all the stuff about, um...

1580
01:32:45,959 --> 01:32:49,664
"all the allegations,
and, like, Michael Jackson...

1581
01:32:49,667 --> 01:32:53,166
"molesting kids
and all that stuff, um...

1582
01:32:55,792 --> 01:32:57,414
"It was, uh...

1583
01:32:57,417 --> 01:33:00,125
It was true. It happened to me."

1584
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:13,330
There were little things that we
would try and do and look forward to.

1585
01:33:13,333 --> 01:33:17,247
Dinners or something, you know,
to try and put on a happy face,

1586
01:33:17,250 --> 01:33:18,997
and to, like, look forward
to something,

1587
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,500
instead of, like,
the dread and fear of...

1588
01:33:22,375 --> 01:33:23,792
our reality.

1589
01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:27,789
Wade and Amanda were
living in Santa Monica,

1590
01:33:27,792 --> 01:33:31,834
and food trucks were, like, the
big thing in LA at the time.

1591
01:33:32,875 --> 01:33:35,706
And I spoke with Erica, my wife,

1592
01:33:35,709 --> 01:33:38,664
on the phone
as I'm driving there.

1593
01:33:38,667 --> 01:33:42,622
And she, uh, she says, uh...

1594
01:33:42,625 --> 01:33:46,789
"I gotta tell you about a crazy,
crazy dream I had last night."

1595
01:33:46,792 --> 01:33:48,330
Uh...

1596
01:33:48,333 --> 01:33:51,622
Wade had told her

1597
01:33:51,625 --> 01:33:54,375
that Michael Jackson
had abused him.

1598
01:33:55,375 --> 01:33:58,038
Uh, she said it was so real,

1599
01:33:58,041 --> 01:34:01,208
she woke up from the dream
actually crying about it.

1600
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,914
My brother and Amanda

1601
01:34:04,917 --> 01:34:06,497
go and walk towards
the food trucks,

1602
01:34:06,500 --> 01:34:09,580
and we're waiting for some food,
and we're just chatting,

1603
01:34:09,583 --> 01:34:11,706
and my brother...

1604
01:34:11,709 --> 01:34:14,667
comes out of nowhere
and says, uh,

1605
01:34:15,333 --> 01:34:18,997
"You know, my wife had
this crazy dream."

1606
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:24,542
Like, my first instinct
when he said that was to...

1607
01:34:26,834 --> 01:34:29,122
crack a joke.

1608
01:34:29,125 --> 01:34:33,789
And a joke that had sort of
become kind of standard for me,

1609
01:34:33,792 --> 01:34:36,414
which was, you know,

1610
01:34:36,417 --> 01:34:39,747
"Yeah, man. I don't know.
I mean, if it... was true,

1611
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:42,997
"I don't know why
I wasn't sexy enough.

1612
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,622
Like, what was wrong with me?"

1613
01:34:45,625 --> 01:34:48,792
And that was my instinct, to
kind of go right to that joke.

1614
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:52,580
But I just couldn't,
I couldn't this time.

1615
01:34:52,583 --> 01:34:56,205
I mean, this was, like,
just an hour and a half ago

1616
01:34:56,208 --> 01:34:59,125
that I had told Dr. Shaw
for the first time.

1617
01:35:00,125 --> 01:35:02,291
So, my head just dropped.

1618
01:35:06,250 --> 01:35:09,747
And then I just kind of,
I just looked up and said,

1619
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:11,917
"It is true."

1620
01:35:14,208 --> 01:35:17,333
And, um, and I'm looking at him,

1621
01:35:18,083 --> 01:35:21,417
and I'm like, is he telling me
a joke or something right now?

1622
01:35:22,375 --> 01:35:25,706
And I'm like,
"What do you mean?"

1623
01:35:25,709 --> 01:35:27,914
And all sorts of things
are going through my head,

1624
01:35:27,917 --> 01:35:31,122
like the amount of years that,

1625
01:35:31,125 --> 01:35:33,789
you know,
he's defended this guy.

1626
01:35:35,291 --> 01:35:37,792
I remember, uh, Amanda...

1627
01:35:41,959 --> 01:35:44,664
...was, uh, was on my left,

1628
01:35:44,667 --> 01:35:47,458
and I remember,
physically, she just, um...

1629
01:35:49,792 --> 01:35:51,747
she just caved in,

1630
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:54,458
like someone punched
her in the chest.

1631
01:35:59,583 --> 01:36:02,706
And my brother sort of had
the opposite physical reaction.

1632
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:04,914
Like, his chest
kind of puffed out.

1633
01:36:04,917 --> 01:36:07,163
He got... angry.

1634
01:36:07,166 --> 01:36:09,166
I think his
first word was, "What?"

1635
01:36:10,834 --> 01:36:14,333
There was a real kind
of anger in his eyes.

1636
01:36:19,375 --> 01:36:23,163
The... It's like the world was,
kind of like spinning,

1637
01:36:23,166 --> 01:36:26,667
and all I could see was
Chantal was holding Koa.

1638
01:36:27,291 --> 01:36:29,747
So, it's like a blur,

1639
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:34,080
and I just honed in on Koa,
and I needed to hold him.

1640
01:36:34,083 --> 01:36:35,997
And then they come over to me,

1641
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,539
and as soon as
they come to the table,

1642
01:36:38,542 --> 01:36:43,208
Shane turns to me, and he says,

1643
01:36:43,959 --> 01:36:47,247
"Wade, tell Chantal
what you just told us."

1644
01:36:47,250 --> 01:36:52,455
My sister's always been the one in
my life who's... more emotional,

1645
01:36:52,458 --> 01:36:57,038
like much more readily available,
wears her heart on her sleeve.

1646
01:36:57,041 --> 01:37:00,667
And I remember the look
in her eyes and just, um...

1647
01:37:01,709 --> 01:37:05,542
her just staring at me,
and just tears, you know.

1648
01:37:06,792 --> 01:37:10,372
I was hurt and angry for Wade.

1649
01:37:10,375 --> 01:37:14,372
I was upset for myself
and my relationship that I had,

1650
01:37:14,375 --> 01:37:16,917
and then I was really
scared for my mom.

1651
01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:24,455
I was afraid that my mom
would commit suicide.

1652
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:29,917
'Cause it's not like
it was uncommon for me.

1653
01:37:33,417 --> 01:37:37,250
But I was afraid that my mom
would do something to herself,

1654
01:37:39,291 --> 01:37:43,083
because of the shame of,
you know, her not knowing or...

1655
01:37:44,750 --> 01:37:47,417
you know.

1656
01:37:48,125 --> 01:37:49,917
It's like this was the...

1657
01:37:51,083 --> 01:37:55,122
The story that I had been
telling all these years...

1658
01:37:57,208 --> 01:38:00,288
...the lies that I had
been telling about,

1659
01:38:00,291 --> 01:38:03,706
you know, that none of this
sexual stuff ever happened,

1660
01:38:03,709 --> 01:38:07,455
like, that was... that story...

1661
01:38:07,458 --> 01:38:10,038
that version of
the story was the...

1662
01:38:10,041 --> 01:38:13,038
the whole foundation of my life,

1663
01:38:13,041 --> 01:38:16,122
and my sister's,
and my brother's life.

1664
01:38:16,125 --> 01:38:17,580
I mean, like,

1665
01:38:17,583 --> 01:38:20,667
my whole life with
Michael is the reason...

1666
01:38:21,625 --> 01:38:25,205
my family split apart,
and we moved to America,

1667
01:38:25,208 --> 01:38:28,625
and, you know, like,
it's all wrapped up in that.

1668
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:34,414
And now it's like this whole...

1669
01:38:34,417 --> 01:38:38,250
the whole foundation of this
story was bullshit, you know?

1670
01:38:45,208 --> 01:38:48,664
But there's a child.

1671
01:38:48,667 --> 01:38:50,330
The fact that I needed
to take care of him,

1672
01:38:50,333 --> 01:38:54,163
whatever he needed next,
got us home.

1673
01:38:54,166 --> 01:38:57,831
And now it's my and Wade's
first time alone.

1674
01:39:02,333 --> 01:39:05,914
And he's like, "Do you
wanna ask me anything?"

1675
01:39:05,917 --> 01:39:10,330
And I... And I said,
"Are you confused?

1676
01:39:10,333 --> 01:39:14,122
Like is there any confusion
as to like how...

1677
01:39:14,125 --> 01:39:19,834
What is like appropriate
to how you love Koa?"

1678
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:23,125
And Wade was like,
"Absolutely not."

1679
01:39:25,375 --> 01:39:28,330
I had no knowledge
of child sexual abuse,

1680
01:39:28,333 --> 01:39:30,372
or the, um,

1681
01:39:30,375 --> 01:39:34,372
psychological way
it plays out into adulthood.

1682
01:39:34,375 --> 01:39:37,122
You know, I was incredibly naive
on the subject.

1683
01:39:37,125 --> 01:39:41,414
So, to me, you know,
the fact that he had...

1684
01:39:41,417 --> 01:39:43,580
had lied about it to me,

1685
01:39:43,583 --> 01:39:48,789
I thought the repercussions must
be something that... affected...

1686
01:39:48,792 --> 01:39:53,166
That he was scared of in relation
to me, or to us, or his...

1687
01:39:53,875 --> 01:39:55,375
I don't know.

1688
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:00,041
It's like I... I used to be
the person that said...

1689
01:40:00,875 --> 01:40:04,372
you know,
"Oh, that person's after money,

1690
01:40:04,375 --> 01:40:07,706
or they're trying to bring
Michael down, and he's famous."

1691
01:40:07,709 --> 01:40:10,208
And I was the person
that said all that.

1692
01:40:11,125 --> 01:40:14,083
You know, and then now being
on the other side of it...

1693
01:40:14,750 --> 01:40:17,414
you know, now I understand why
people are saying that to me,

1694
01:40:17,417 --> 01:40:19,583
but at the same time,
it's like...

1695
01:40:21,083 --> 01:40:22,789
you know, I'm awake now.

1696
01:40:22,792 --> 01:40:27,372
It's like I see the reality,
and I see the truth,

1697
01:40:27,375 --> 01:40:30,580
and I, you know,
the pattern of what happened,

1698
01:40:30,583 --> 01:40:33,455
and-and that it happened
to my brother.

1699
01:40:33,458 --> 01:40:36,914
But I feel so bad
for every little boy

1700
01:40:36,917 --> 01:40:39,831
prior that tried to talk,

1701
01:40:39,834 --> 01:40:42,917
and got shut up really fast.

1702
01:40:43,834 --> 01:40:45,247
It's so hard to believe

1703
01:40:45,250 --> 01:40:47,917
that he would do that
to a little boy,

1704
01:40:48,041 --> 01:40:53,458
someone as beautiful
and talented as Wade was.

1705
01:40:54,792 --> 01:40:57,500
It's just overwhelming
to think that.

1706
01:41:00,208 --> 01:41:03,288
He's ruined, here,
a lot of lives,

1707
01:41:03,291 --> 01:41:05,291
a lot of lives.

1708
01:41:07,417 --> 01:41:12,834
What began to happen
was just this...

1709
01:41:14,208 --> 01:41:19,125
...emotional, like,
upheaval that was just...

1710
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:25,333
all of these...
anger and sadness and...

1711
01:41:26,458 --> 01:41:29,917
you know, back and forth, all
over the place, unpredictable.

1712
01:41:30,041 --> 01:41:33,166
I mean, just coming out
of me constantly.

1713
01:41:37,792 --> 01:41:43,291
After about... two weeks
after I first told Dr. Shaw,

1714
01:41:44,792 --> 01:41:47,163
I, uh, I told Mom I wanted her

1715
01:41:47,166 --> 01:41:51,205
to come into a therapy
session with me.

1716
01:41:51,208 --> 01:41:52,914
I didn't tell her why.

1717
01:41:52,917 --> 01:41:55,997
I spent 30 minutes
with the therapist first,

1718
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,706
just to have a chat,
talk about things.

1719
01:41:58,709 --> 01:42:01,163
So then...

1720
01:42:01,166 --> 01:42:04,330
after 30 minutes,
Wade joined us,

1721
01:42:04,333 --> 01:42:07,834
and we sat together
on the couch, and...

1722
01:42:09,834 --> 01:42:12,041
he turned to me and said...

1723
01:42:15,875 --> 01:42:19,580
that Michael Jackson
had abused him

1724
01:42:19,583 --> 01:42:22,208
from age seven to 14.

1725
01:42:26,375 --> 01:42:30,041
Uh... It was like
being hit by a truck.

1726
01:42:30,875 --> 01:42:33,417
I really didn't know.

1727
01:42:37,208 --> 01:42:39,539
I remember her just...

1728
01:42:39,542 --> 01:42:40,997
I mean, just...

1729
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,539
tears streaming down
her face instantly,

1730
01:42:43,542 --> 01:42:44,997
and this kind of

1731
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,997
collapse in her body,
and then she just...

1732
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,664
kind of reached out
to grab me and she...

1733
01:42:50,667 --> 01:42:52,706
The first thing she said was,
"How could you not...

1734
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:54,872
"How could you not have told me?

1735
01:42:54,875 --> 01:42:57,083
How could you not have told me?"

1736
01:43:01,458 --> 01:43:03,622
That's a real
complicated question.

1737
01:43:03,625 --> 01:43:05,288
You know, I couldn't...

1738
01:43:05,291 --> 01:43:06,831
I couldn't answer that question.

1739
01:43:06,834 --> 01:43:10,917
I held him and held him.
We sobbed together.

1740
01:43:12,834 --> 01:43:16,083
And I said, "Well,
I have to take some...

1741
01:43:17,250 --> 01:43:18,664
"of the blame for this.

1742
01:43:18,667 --> 01:43:21,914
I am your mother,
and I didn't protect you."

1743
01:43:21,917 --> 01:43:24,792
And that's what he wanted
to hear, apparently.

1744
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,789
I couldn't really...
I don't know,

1745
01:43:30,792 --> 01:43:32,959
I couldn't really hug her yet.

1746
01:43:34,083 --> 01:43:35,750
I mean, I just...

1747
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:40,291
Very beginning for me
and very confused about, uh...

1748
01:43:41,208 --> 01:43:44,792
just my relationship
with, with Mom.

1749
01:43:49,083 --> 01:43:53,789
I was angry... at my mom.

1750
01:43:53,792 --> 01:43:55,706
I was angry at my mom
before that.

1751
01:43:55,709 --> 01:43:59,792
I was angry for her breaking up the
family, to start with, for this whole...

1752
01:44:01,291 --> 01:44:03,288
Michael Jackson nonsense.

1753
01:44:03,291 --> 01:44:06,288
Like, I don't care
who some guy is,

1754
01:44:06,291 --> 01:44:11,372
how do you leave your seven-year-old
or eight-year-old kid

1755
01:44:11,375 --> 01:44:14,163
to have sleepovers
at their house?

1756
01:44:14,166 --> 01:44:17,163
I mean, that's
just fucking crazy.

1757
01:44:17,166 --> 01:44:19,497
Like, as a parent,
I don't understand

1758
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:21,706
how that is even possible.

1759
01:44:21,709 --> 01:44:23,747
For five months after that,

1760
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:26,625
Amanda wouldn't allow me
into their home.

1761
01:44:29,625 --> 01:44:32,247
Wade and I would meet
so that I could see Koa.

1762
01:44:32,250 --> 01:44:34,330
We'd have to meet in a park.

1763
01:44:34,333 --> 01:44:36,580
I was so hurt. I was so...

1764
01:44:36,583 --> 01:44:40,163
I'd always had such a great relationship
with Amanda and all my family.

1765
01:44:40,166 --> 01:44:41,997
I've never had
anything like this happen.

1766
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,125
That was the hardest
thing for me to deal with.

1767
01:44:47,875 --> 01:44:51,080
And I thought she blamed me.

1768
01:44:51,083 --> 01:44:55,747
Now, I'm hearing stories about
what was done to his young body,

1769
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:57,834
with his mom...

1770
01:44:59,375 --> 01:45:03,038
close by, in-in another room.

1771
01:45:03,041 --> 01:45:06,580
Me being a young mom,
you know, and my just,

1772
01:45:06,583 --> 01:45:08,872
you know, how could you ever

1773
01:45:08,875 --> 01:45:12,455
let your young child sleep
in the bed of a stranger?

1774
01:45:12,458 --> 01:45:14,580
You know, I just
couldn't comprehend it.

1775
01:45:14,583 --> 01:45:16,500
Wade and I met...

1776
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:19,083
and...

1777
01:45:20,834 --> 01:45:24,038
he said there's things
that he needed to say to me.

1778
01:45:24,041 --> 01:45:26,500
He told me...

1779
01:45:27,667 --> 01:45:31,208
that he felt no emotion for me.

1780
01:45:35,583 --> 01:45:37,872
As a mother, that's like,

1781
01:45:37,875 --> 01:45:41,208
the last thing you wanna
hear from your child.

1782
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:48,250
He said he had no...
had no feelings for me.

1783
01:45:49,333 --> 01:45:51,414
You know, I remember
asking her, like,

1784
01:45:51,417 --> 01:45:53,706
"How did you not know?"

1785
01:45:53,709 --> 01:45:55,956
You know, and she just
kept saying, "I don't know.

1786
01:45:55,959 --> 01:45:58,372
"I don't know. I don't know
how I didn't know.

1787
01:45:58,375 --> 01:46:00,580
"You don't think...

1788
01:46:00,583 --> 01:46:03,747
"that I wish I knew?
You know, that I...

1789
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:06,041
that I wish I didn't
see this?" You know.

1790
01:46:06,959 --> 01:46:10,872
But it's changed,
it affected everyone's lives.

1791
01:46:10,875 --> 01:46:15,250
My family's life, the anger from
my family in Australia, and...

1792
01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:19,959
the anger from my family
towards my mother, like...

1793
01:46:20,917 --> 01:46:23,872
it goes so deep.

1794
01:46:23,875 --> 01:46:25,455
She did everything she could.

1795
01:46:25,458 --> 01:46:29,956
She turned her life upside down...
even her marriage.

1796
01:46:29,959 --> 01:46:34,622
She had turned everything
upside down because of Michael.

1797
01:46:34,625 --> 01:46:38,288
It's not easy to accept,

1798
01:46:38,291 --> 01:46:40,959
even at this stage.

1799
01:46:42,083 --> 01:46:46,455
The... The abuse...
was a bomb

1800
01:46:46,458 --> 01:46:50,914
that dropped in our life
and exploded,

1801
01:46:50,917 --> 01:46:54,622
like, you know, and ripped apart

1802
01:46:54,625 --> 01:46:56,789
everything that we found sound

1803
01:46:56,792 --> 01:46:59,914
and secure and safe.

1804
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,747
Of course, I want James
to be happy and feel better,

1805
01:47:10,750 --> 01:47:13,789
but I don't always know
how to get him there.

1806
01:47:13,792 --> 01:47:16,372
A few things had happened, um,

1807
01:47:16,375 --> 01:47:19,709
that just, sort of,
sent him on a spiral.

1808
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:25,831
His father got sick,
work got very challenging.

1809
01:47:25,834 --> 01:47:29,747
All these things were
coming together, and, um,

1810
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:31,539
he just...

1811
01:47:31,542 --> 01:47:34,330
he went some place else.
He went to a dark place.

1812
01:47:36,208 --> 01:47:39,330
He started drinking a lot.
He started going out at night.

1813
01:47:39,333 --> 01:47:41,497
Um, he wouldn't come home.

1814
01:47:41,500 --> 01:47:46,247
During that time was the first
time we were really fighting.

1815
01:47:46,250 --> 01:47:48,542
I didn't understand
what was going on at all.

1816
01:47:49,166 --> 01:47:51,831
That was the first time
we ever talked about,

1817
01:47:51,834 --> 01:47:54,789
you know, this isn't
a relationship right now.

1818
01:47:54,792 --> 01:47:56,997
Is this heading towards
divorce? I mean,

1819
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,539
that was the first time we ever
talked about things like that.

1820
01:48:00,542 --> 01:48:04,205
I had, like, a
lot of self-hatred,

1821
01:48:04,208 --> 01:48:06,208
and I didn't know why.

1822
01:48:07,291 --> 01:48:09,038
And you're not
putting it on him.

1823
01:48:09,041 --> 01:48:11,288
You're putting it on yourself.

1824
01:48:11,291 --> 01:48:14,539
You think it's your doing.

1825
01:48:14,542 --> 01:48:17,417
That's part of the manipulation.

1826
01:48:18,625 --> 01:48:21,375
People, they might look
at me and see a grownup,

1827
01:48:22,083 --> 01:48:25,706
but you... need to see

1828
01:48:25,709 --> 01:48:29,414
we're mentally little kids.

1829
01:48:29,417 --> 01:48:32,417
We've just gotten...
just gotten older.

1830
01:48:39,208 --> 01:48:40,831
Good morning.
Good to see you.

1831
01:48:40,834 --> 01:48:43,080
You know that the things you're
gonna say here this morning,

1832
01:48:43,083 --> 01:48:44,872
and perhaps in a court of law,

1833
01:48:44,875 --> 01:48:47,706
are gonna get a lot of attention,
make a lot of headlines.

1834
01:48:47,709 --> 01:48:49,163
So, before I ask you specifics,

1835
01:48:49,166 --> 01:48:51,747
what's your mindset right now?

1836
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:53,956
What's my mindset. Um...

1837
01:48:53,959 --> 01:48:56,291
I feel strong. I feel...

1838
01:48:57,333 --> 01:48:59,080
like this is
the right thing to do,

1839
01:48:59,083 --> 01:49:01,372
'cause this is my truth.
Despite what some people

1840
01:49:01,375 --> 01:49:03,664
may say after you say these things?
Yes.

1841
01:49:03,667 --> 01:49:06,414
I had to defend the lie,

1842
01:49:06,417 --> 01:49:08,417
you know, for so many years.

1843
01:49:09,792 --> 01:49:11,622
And I didn't wanna do
that anymore.

1844
01:49:11,625 --> 01:49:14,080
You know, I was just
trying to declare this

1845
01:49:14,083 --> 01:49:17,664
whole new life for myself,

1846
01:49:17,667 --> 01:49:19,914
based on the truth.

1847
01:49:19,917 --> 01:49:22,205
Let me take you back
to 2005, Wade, all right,

1848
01:49:22,208 --> 01:49:25,038
the child molestation trial
of Michael Jackson.

1849
01:49:25,041 --> 01:49:27,414
You were the first witness
called by the defense,

1850
01:49:27,417 --> 01:49:30,747
and the attorney for Michael
Jackson said he called you first

1851
01:49:30,750 --> 01:49:33,747
because you were so
convincing and powerful,

1852
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:36,455
asserting the innocence
of Michael Jackson.

1853
01:49:36,458 --> 01:49:39,539
And here we are these years
later, and you're going to say

1854
01:49:39,542 --> 01:49:41,288
just the opposite.
Right.

1855
01:49:41,291 --> 01:49:43,417
What happened?

1856
01:49:44,125 --> 01:49:45,997
First of all, one thing
I wanna clear up is that

1857
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,038
this is not a case
of repressed memory.

1858
01:49:49,041 --> 01:49:50,831
Which has been reported in the press.
Yeah.

1859
01:49:50,834 --> 01:49:54,500
I never forgot one moment
of what Michael did to me.

1860
01:49:55,208 --> 01:49:58,330
But I was psychologically
and emotionally

1861
01:49:58,333 --> 01:50:01,497
completely unable and unwilling

1862
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:03,997
to understand that
it was sexual abuse.

1863
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,706
So, what are you alleging
that he actually did?

1864
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:10,747
He sexually abused me
from seven years old until 14.

1865
01:50:10,750 --> 01:50:13,497
And even though
there's lots of...

1866
01:50:13,500 --> 01:50:16,205
parts of it that are still...

1867
01:50:16,208 --> 01:50:19,205
scary and uncomfortable, um,

1868
01:50:19,208 --> 01:50:21,163
to talk about
these sort of things,

1869
01:50:21,166 --> 01:50:23,997
and talk about these
sexual details and this...

1870
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,997
crazy stuff that happened

1871
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,333
between Michael and I...

1872
01:50:31,667 --> 01:50:35,000
it still feels
a whole lot better than...

1873
01:50:36,625 --> 01:50:38,542
than the lie did.

1874
01:50:39,417 --> 01:50:41,205
You have these symptoms,

1875
01:50:41,208 --> 01:50:44,872
and then you find out that
somebody else has them and...

1876
01:50:44,875 --> 01:50:48,041
and then they went through
something that you went through.

1877
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:52,250
I really just wanted to talk
to Wade 'cause...

1878
01:50:53,083 --> 01:50:54,706
you feel so alone.

1879
01:50:56,625 --> 01:50:59,875
I think I told my wife
after Wade...

1880
01:51:00,959 --> 01:51:03,709
came out,
maybe a few weeks after.

1881
01:51:04,375 --> 01:51:06,834
Telling her was...

1882
01:51:13,625 --> 01:51:16,205
like, no going back.

1883
01:51:16,208 --> 01:51:18,580
At that point in time, we had
a computer in our bedroom,

1884
01:51:18,583 --> 01:51:20,330
and I was working late at night.

1885
01:51:20,333 --> 01:51:21,831
And he was sitting
at the edge of the bed,

1886
01:51:21,834 --> 01:51:24,330
just waiting for me to finish,
which was not like him.

1887
01:51:24,333 --> 01:51:27,080
And I, you know, was working,
working, working. He's like,

1888
01:51:27,083 --> 01:51:30,747
"Can you please just stop?" And
he sounded so irritated with me.

1889
01:51:30,750 --> 01:51:32,747
I was like, you know,
what the heck?

1890
01:51:32,750 --> 01:51:34,497
I turn off the computer,
and I turned around,

1891
01:51:34,500 --> 01:51:38,414
and that's when I saw how
serious and sad his face was.

1892
01:51:38,417 --> 01:51:41,580
And he said, "Laura,
I have to tell you something."

1893
01:51:41,583 --> 01:51:44,205
And he just said,
"Bad things have happened.

1894
01:51:44,208 --> 01:51:48,250
You know, Michael wasn't...
He wasn't a good guy." And...

1895
01:51:48,875 --> 01:51:52,288
he just clearly was
a ball of emotions,

1896
01:51:52,291 --> 01:51:54,330
and, um, and I was scared.

1897
01:51:54,333 --> 01:51:56,872
It was just like
a punch in the chest.

1898
01:51:56,875 --> 01:52:00,083
You're not positive
it's the right decision...

1899
01:52:00,959 --> 01:52:03,080
and then thinking that

1900
01:52:03,083 --> 01:52:05,792
that action's gonna ruin
your life...

1901
01:52:08,792 --> 01:52:11,330
is... I can... I don't know.

1902
01:52:11,333 --> 01:52:15,789
I can't even, I can't describe
how scary it is.

1903
01:52:15,792 --> 01:52:19,372
It wasn't a heavy,
long conversation.

1904
01:52:19,375 --> 01:52:21,288
It was a cry.

1905
01:52:21,291 --> 01:52:24,122
He sort of just...
We gave each other a hug,

1906
01:52:24,125 --> 01:52:28,997
and he showed me
Wade's interview,

1907
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:33,122
and he just sort of cried and...

1908
01:52:33,125 --> 01:52:35,038
He didn't go into
much detail then.

1909
01:52:35,041 --> 01:52:37,163
It was just more of this like...

1910
01:52:37,166 --> 01:52:40,125
Oh, wow. Our life
just got heavy.

1911
01:52:41,917 --> 01:52:44,997
It still feels shameful.

1912
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,709
I still have...

1913
01:52:47,625 --> 01:52:50,333
feelings that it was...

1914
01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:54,542
like, my fault.

1915
01:52:58,792 --> 01:53:00,831
And now, TMZ breaks the news

1916
01:53:00,834 --> 01:53:03,372
to pop star Omarion
that Wade Robson

1917
01:53:03,375 --> 01:53:06,872
is suing Michael Jackson
for child sex abuse!

1918
01:53:06,875 --> 01:53:08,747
What?
Yes.

1919
01:53:08,750 --> 01:53:10,163
He's suing Mike?

1920
01:53:10,166 --> 01:53:12,372
Yes.
MJ? The person that's dead?

1921
01:53:12,375 --> 01:53:14,122
All of the above, actually!

1922
01:53:14,125 --> 01:53:16,664
He said Michael never touched me,
but, yes, I slept in his bed,

1923
01:53:16,667 --> 01:53:20,539
by myself with him, and he
was in his 30s, I was seven.

1924
01:53:20,542 --> 01:53:22,997
He should sue his mom
for letting him go sleep

1925
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:25,539
with Michael Jackson
when he's seven years old.

1926
01:53:25,542 --> 01:53:27,706
Wade Robson, I put
him on as my witness

1927
01:53:27,709 --> 01:53:30,247
and he was subjected to
a withering cross-examination

1928
01:53:30,250 --> 01:53:33,747
by prosecutor Ron Zonen from the Santa
Barbara District Attorney's Office.

1929
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:36,956
I mean, Ron went after him,
and Ron's a good prosecutor.

1930
01:53:36,959 --> 01:53:40,414
He would not waver. He was
adamant he was never touched.

1931
01:53:40,417 --> 01:53:43,997
And my understanding was Safechuck
repeatedly said the same thing.

1932
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,038
So, to suddenly come
back years later,

1933
01:53:46,041 --> 01:53:48,122
and say we want
millions of dollars,

1934
01:53:48,125 --> 01:53:50,956
we were brainwashed,
we had repressed memory,

1935
01:53:50,959 --> 01:53:53,539
we didn't face the facts,
we didn't deal with reality...

1936
01:53:53,542 --> 01:53:55,539
I just find very,
very suspicious.

1937
01:53:55,542 --> 01:53:57,709
The story just keeps changing.

1938
01:53:58,792 --> 01:54:00,455
His story

1939
01:54:00,458 --> 01:54:02,583
keeps changing.

1940
01:54:06,417 --> 01:54:10,122
I have really fucking
had it with you, dude.

1941
01:54:10,125 --> 01:54:11,622
Fuck you.

1942
01:54:11,625 --> 01:54:13,914
Fuck you to fucking hell.

1943
01:54:13,917 --> 01:54:15,747
Fuck you, Wade!

1944
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:18,455
Fuck, I hate you so much!

1945
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,038
The die-hard Michael fans,

1946
01:54:27,041 --> 01:54:29,083
some of them are...

1947
01:54:30,125 --> 01:54:34,539
very, um... hateful.

1948
01:54:34,542 --> 01:54:37,080
It's been scary for me,

1949
01:54:37,083 --> 01:54:39,789
as a mom, with our child.

1950
01:54:39,792 --> 01:54:45,038
You know, in regard to the,
the threats that come from...

1951
01:54:45,041 --> 01:54:46,706
that Wade receives.

1952
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:50,247
I'm not gonna lie
and say that that's not hard...

1953
01:54:50,250 --> 01:54:54,122
to see and to hear and to feel,

1954
01:54:54,125 --> 01:54:57,455
um, people not believing me,
and people thinking

1955
01:54:57,458 --> 01:55:00,330
that it's all about the money,
about nothing but the money.

1956
01:55:00,333 --> 01:55:03,080
A judge has
dismissed a choreographer's claim

1957
01:55:03,083 --> 01:55:05,997
that Michael Jackson
molested him as a child.

1958
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,706
Los Angeles Superior Court
Judge Mitchel Becklov

1959
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:12,122
dismissed Wade Robson's
claim on Tuesday,

1960
01:55:12,125 --> 01:55:15,956
after determining he waited
too long to file it in court.

1961
01:55:15,959 --> 01:55:17,956
He did not
rule on the credibility

1962
01:55:17,959 --> 01:55:20,455
of Robson's
allegations themselves.

1963
01:55:20,458 --> 01:55:23,664
This is where they
officially threw out his case.

1964
01:55:28,083 --> 01:55:30,497
These people don't
even know Michael.

1965
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:32,664
They know Michael Jackson,

1966
01:55:32,667 --> 01:55:34,831
the amazing musician,

1967
01:55:34,834 --> 01:55:36,997
and the amazing superstar.

1968
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:40,667
I'm not taking anything away from
Michael's talent as a superstar.

1969
01:55:41,834 --> 01:55:46,205
But as a man, as a human being,

1970
01:55:46,208 --> 01:55:48,375
he's hurt people.

1971
01:55:49,250 --> 01:55:51,414
And those people that he's hurt

1972
01:55:51,417 --> 01:55:53,497
should have a chance
to talk about it,

1973
01:55:53,500 --> 01:55:56,372
and they should be
allowed to be okay.

1974
01:55:56,375 --> 01:55:58,497
The way that I understand it,
it's very common

1975
01:55:58,500 --> 01:56:02,330
for this type of abuse to be
registered later in life.

1976
01:56:02,333 --> 01:56:04,455
That when you're that
small and that hurt,

1977
01:56:04,458 --> 01:56:07,414
you don't even understand
what's happened to you.

1978
01:56:07,417 --> 01:56:10,497
So, I mean, we can't change it.

1979
01:56:10,500 --> 01:56:12,539
Michael's gone,
but it doesn't change the fact

1980
01:56:12,542 --> 01:56:14,205
that he destroyed these people,

1981
01:56:14,208 --> 01:56:16,497
and that the world still
goes on loving him.

1982
01:56:21,208 --> 01:56:24,455
He had so many
good parts about him.

1983
01:56:24,458 --> 01:56:28,038
People think his music's
great, so he's great.

1984
01:56:28,041 --> 01:56:29,872
And people grew
up with him, too,

1985
01:56:29,875 --> 01:56:33,163
'cause he was a star
since he was a little kid.

1986
01:56:33,166 --> 01:56:35,580
So, to think that that person

1987
01:56:35,583 --> 01:56:39,208
is doing the worst
possible things to kids...

1988
01:56:41,667 --> 01:56:46,667
you know, that's tough,
I think, for people to...

1989
01:56:47,917 --> 01:56:50,288
wrap their heads around.

1990
01:56:50,291 --> 01:56:53,917
I didn't protect my son.

1991
01:56:55,834 --> 01:56:59,458
That will always,
always haunt me.

1992
01:56:59,875 --> 01:57:02,414
I had one job. I had one child.

1993
01:57:02,417 --> 01:57:04,208
And I had one job.

1994
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,872
And I fucked up.

1995
01:57:11,542 --> 01:57:14,041
So, I had all these months

1996
01:57:14,792 --> 01:57:16,956
of loving my life with Michael,

1997
01:57:16,959 --> 01:57:21,789
and traveling, and living
the good life, so to speak,

1998
01:57:21,792 --> 01:57:24,959
all those wonderful memories...

1999
01:57:25,583 --> 01:57:31,038
it was all based on, um,
the suffering of my son.

2000
01:57:31,041 --> 01:57:34,455
My son had to suffer
for me to have this life.

2001
01:57:35,917 --> 01:57:40,706
My son is messed up today
because of it.

2002
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:43,458
And I'm messed up
today because of it.

2003
01:57:44,750 --> 01:57:48,706
So you keep secrets and secrets,
and secrets kill you.

2004
01:57:48,709 --> 01:57:50,959
And everything's been
a secret...

2005
01:57:51,834 --> 01:57:54,166
and finally, can say something.

2006
01:57:56,875 --> 01:58:00,706
I don't wanna know too
much about what went on.

2007
01:58:00,709 --> 01:58:02,956
I don't wanna have
that discussion with him

2008
01:58:02,959 --> 01:58:05,917
because that would give
me nightmares.

2009
01:58:06,625 --> 01:58:10,414
I don't wanna hear that,
so I have not really had

2010
01:58:10,417 --> 01:58:13,122
a discussion about
the sexual side of it.

2011
01:58:13,125 --> 01:58:16,166
I don't know what else
I could've done,

2012
01:58:16,667 --> 01:58:19,125
but whatever it is,
I wish I had.

2013
01:58:20,542 --> 01:58:22,872
I don't know if I'll ever really

2014
01:58:22,875 --> 01:58:25,706
fully forgive her to what
happened to the family

2015
01:58:25,709 --> 01:58:27,914
and what happened to Wade.

2016
01:58:27,917 --> 01:58:30,583
Um, I still love her and all.

2017
01:58:31,166 --> 01:58:34,291
You know, still support her
as much as I can, but...

2018
01:58:35,375 --> 01:58:38,000
there's some things that
I don't know if you...

2019
01:58:38,917 --> 01:58:41,125
I don't know if I can forgive.

2020
01:58:46,166 --> 01:58:50,414
I don't know how many
there are that Michael abused,

2021
01:58:50,417 --> 01:58:53,872
but you can only imagine
what the power that he had

2022
01:58:53,875 --> 01:58:55,914
and the influence that he had.

2023
01:58:55,917 --> 01:58:59,038
We, like, the public knows
how many children were there.

2024
01:58:59,041 --> 01:59:02,333
And then there's all the children
that we don't know about.

2025
01:59:07,792 --> 01:59:14,205
If my story of abuse
with Michael and...

2026
01:59:14,208 --> 01:59:16,667
and all of the ways
that it affected me...

2027
01:59:17,375 --> 01:59:20,038
if speaking that truth,

2028
01:59:20,041 --> 01:59:23,747
other survivors of
child sexual abuse,

2029
01:59:23,750 --> 01:59:25,872
at the hands of anybody,

2030
01:59:25,875 --> 01:59:27,622
could be helped in any way,
shape or form,

2031
01:59:27,625 --> 01:59:30,372
by me coming forward
and speaking it,

2032
01:59:30,375 --> 01:59:32,247
I wanted to be able to do that.

2033
01:59:32,250 --> 01:59:35,417
I wanna be able
to speak the truth...

2034
01:59:36,417 --> 01:59:39,709
as loud as I had to speak
the lie for so long.

2035
01:59:42,917 --> 01:59:45,288
It's just the
fame, the whole thing,

2036
01:59:45,291 --> 01:59:47,458
you do get caught up in it.

2037
01:59:49,417 --> 01:59:52,080
Maybe I can forgive him,
at some point,

2038
01:59:52,083 --> 01:59:55,208
if I tried to understand
that he was sick...

2039
01:59:58,875 --> 02:00:02,080
but forgiving myself
is another thing.

2040
02:00:02,083 --> 02:00:05,417
I don't know if
I will ever do that.

2041
02:00:13,917 --> 02:00:17,625
He took my son's childhood away.

2042
02:00:19,417 --> 02:00:23,330
He took the man
he could've been away.

2043
02:00:23,333 --> 02:00:25,458
He was a pedophile.

2044
02:00:27,291 --> 02:00:31,250
You know, the word says it all:
Pedophile.

2045
02:00:33,125 --> 02:00:35,288
I think they thought they
were doing the right thing,

2046
02:00:35,291 --> 02:00:37,831
and he's the biggest star,
and he's gonna...

2047
02:00:37,834 --> 02:00:39,997
"I'm gonna help your son, and...

2048
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,622
"You're son's amazing,

2049
02:00:41,625 --> 02:00:43,500
and I'm gonna be there
for him."

2050
02:00:44,125 --> 02:00:46,291
It's all a big seduction.

2051
02:00:47,166 --> 02:00:49,291
So, do I blame them?

2052
02:00:53,625 --> 02:00:56,291
I'm still working on it.