1 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,480 I can't take your call right now, but if you leave your name and number at the 2 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,460 beep, I'll get right back to you. Thanks. 3 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:33,960 This is Larry. 4 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,500 Pronto printing. Your business cards are ready. 5 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,620 Hey, maybe when you pick them up, we could go for a drink or something. What 6 00:03:40,620 --> 00:03:41,620 you say? 7 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,640 Hello, Mrs. Hansfield. This is Rosemary Barnes. 8 00:03:46,020 --> 00:03:48,060 That matter we talked about last week. 9 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,240 I've decided to go with another investigator. 10 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,640 Sorry. 11 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,080 My name is Brad Loomis. I'm with the investment firm of James Ashford in 12 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,600 I'd like to talk to you about... 13 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:07,440 Sorry 14 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:17,079 I'm 15 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:20,300 late. I'll talk fast. My kids have got swim lessons in half an hour. 16 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,680 You heard her talk fast. 17 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,560 This meeting wasn't my idea. 18 00:04:28,260 --> 00:04:29,980 But your secretary called my secretary. 19 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,560 Not mine. You called. 20 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,360 No, he called and told my son I was supposed to meet you two here. I did 21 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,840 Were you calling my son a liar? 22 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,600 Wait a minute. Hold it, hold it, hold it. What the hell's going on here? 23 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,800 Oh, my grandmother was right. 24 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,200 She always said you can tell how well people know each other by how intensely 25 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,200 they argue. 26 00:04:51,340 --> 00:04:52,340 Mr. 27 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,460 Sands. Oh, and Mr. Boyer, then, and Ms. Proctor. 28 00:04:57,860 --> 00:05:00,860 Ben Matlock. I'm sorry for the confusion. I called the meeting. 29 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:02,840 Would you care for a drink? 30 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,480 What do you want? 31 00:05:05,140 --> 00:05:07,840 I'm just trying to find out who killed Rob Casey. 32 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,040 You remember Rob Casey? 33 00:05:09,460 --> 00:05:13,920 He was the man who was going to send each of you a set of bees. 34 00:05:15,740 --> 00:05:18,080 Why would a complete stranger send me a photograph? 35 00:05:18,910 --> 00:05:22,290 Well, he needed $40 ,000, and he needed it quick. 36 00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:28,810 And my guess is that these pictures tell a story you'd assume the police not 37 00:05:28,810 --> 00:05:32,490 hear. Are you saying he was trying to blackmail one of us? 38 00:05:32,890 --> 00:05:34,110 Or all of you. 39 00:05:34,450 --> 00:05:38,330 Well, as I say, that's a guess. The man with all the answers is dead. 40 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:43,130 Anything else, Mr. Matlock? As a matter of fact, yes. 41 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:45,610 Party favors. 42 00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:47,710 There you are. 43 00:06:11,859 --> 00:06:13,720 Hi. I'd like to see Jeffrey Barr. 44 00:06:14,740 --> 00:06:17,000 He had some kind of emergency meeting. 45 00:06:20,590 --> 00:06:23,390 Are you interested in having something videotaped? 46 00:06:24,630 --> 00:06:26,190 No, it's personal. 47 00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:28,470 I'm an old friend of his, Tyler Hudson. 48 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:31,350 You have heard him speak of me, haven't you? 49 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:37,210 No. Well, I don't get into town very often. 50 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:41,190 I guess out of sight, out of mind. 51 00:06:44,230 --> 00:06:45,470 Do you mind if I wait? 52 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:48,970 Sure. You can wait in my office. 53 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,700 Out here is okay. 54 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:07,340 Hello? Read proof. 55 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,500 Oh, that's terrible. I'm so sorry. 56 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,980 Hold on. I'll pull your tape right now. 57 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,460 I have your tape right here, Mr Franklin. 58 00:07:56,860 --> 00:07:58,920 Shall I messenger it over to your insurance company? 59 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:00,580 That's what we're here for. 60 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,020 If you need anything else, just call us. 61 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:07,900 Mr Hudson? 62 00:08:51,210 --> 00:08:52,210 Hello, Linda. 63 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:54,930 How'd you get in here? 64 00:08:55,870 --> 00:08:56,870 Tyler. 65 00:08:58,390 --> 00:09:00,950 He's the reason your answer machine doesn't work. 66 00:09:01,930 --> 00:09:04,330 We figured you'd stop by to see why. 67 00:09:04,770 --> 00:09:05,910 Please just leave. 68 00:09:06,370 --> 00:09:08,810 Somebody doesn't want you to talk to me. 69 00:09:09,830 --> 00:09:10,990 You don't understand. 70 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:14,150 Then make me understand. 71 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:17,790 They got my boy! 72 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,220 Someone broke in here last week and they stole the log I kept on Rob Casey. 73 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:26,680 They left a note, said they have David. 74 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:31,300 If I didn't testify against Michael Koskoff, I'd never see him again. 75 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:33,800 I'm sorry. 76 00:09:33,860 --> 00:09:36,200 I'm just trying to buy some time. I'm going crazy. 77 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,220 Did they say when they'd contact you again? 78 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:42,540 Sometime today. 79 00:09:44,220 --> 00:09:45,560 David has asthma. 80 00:09:46,250 --> 00:09:48,990 If he gets upset or frightened, he's going to get very sick. 81 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:51,290 Does he know his medication? 82 00:09:51,730 --> 00:09:52,870 He knows what he needs. 83 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:59,830 Well, he's bright and he's inventive. Maybe he'll figure out a way to get it. 84 00:10:00,270 --> 00:10:01,850 Whoever has him lets him. 85 00:10:02,570 --> 00:10:04,010 And why would they care? 86 00:10:07,450 --> 00:10:10,370 Somebody in on this thing made a desperate move. 87 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:11,910 Very desperate. 88 00:10:27,820 --> 00:10:31,680 Somebody is coming to this drugstore to pick up David's medicine. He's probably 89 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:32,680 in there already. 90 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,120 So soon? 91 00:10:34,580 --> 00:10:37,180 Mr. Marshall said someone called in the prescription. 92 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,280 That was less than an hour ago. 93 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:43,040 Linda, when this guy comes out of the drugstore, be cool. 94 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:47,600 Sure. And the object here is for him to lead us to David, okay? Okay. 95 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:48,900 All right. 96 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:56,340 Linda, just take it easy, okay? This is going to work, I promise. 97 00:11:06,130 --> 00:11:07,130 Thank you, Mr. Marshall. 98 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:13,590 There you go. 99 00:11:13,810 --> 00:11:16,270 Yeah, that's him. That's one of Dominic Vincent's hoods. 100 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:18,030 Linda! Linda! 101 00:12:23,790 --> 00:12:24,890 Here's the kid's prescription. 102 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:26,910 Had some trouble picking it up. 103 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:40,650 I've been met. Hello, Ben. 104 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:42,390 Tyler, where are you? 105 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:47,870 I'm across the street from a house at 6624 Langdon Avenue. I saw him. 106 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:51,790 One of Donovan Vincent's goons has dropped off his prescription. 107 00:12:52,350 --> 00:12:53,350 Yeah, well... 108 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,960 We can't do anything that might get David hurt, so just don't do anything. 109 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,980 in your car. Watch the house. 110 00:12:59,420 --> 00:13:00,760 You got it. All right. 111 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,220 We have to do something. 112 00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:05,620 I know. 113 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,560 Mr. Matlock, I'm shocked. 114 00:13:19,020 --> 00:13:20,320 I respect family. 115 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,200 I wouldn't kidnap a kid. 116 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,460 Whoever took David Hansfield works for you. 117 00:13:25,940 --> 00:13:26,940 Hey, Dom. 118 00:13:27,380 --> 00:13:28,520 You birdied the sucker. 119 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:30,220 All right. 120 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:32,780 I don't know anything about this kidnapping. 121 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,140 But I'll look into it. I appreciate it. 122 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,260 I expect to see David very soon. 123 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,220 With a little luck, Mr. Matlock. 124 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:44,000 You do believe in luck, don't you? 125 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,460 Whatever work, Mr. Benson. 126 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,060 Linda, what the hell are you doing here? You didn't think I was going to wait in 127 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:10,060 the office. I guess not. 128 00:14:10,740 --> 00:14:11,740 How many men in there? 129 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:14,920 There's one, I think. The guy that grabbed David left. 130 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Let's go. Wait a minute. Now, Ben specifically said for us to wait. Let go 131 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,640 me. Wait a minute. Now, what are you going to do? Just walk up and knock on 132 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,540 door? That's my kid in there. You got a better idea? Hold on a minute. 133 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:26,740 Close the door. 134 00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:30,760 If you're not careful, you might wind up getting him hurt. 135 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,440 Let's be smart about this, okay? 136 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:42,540 It's poppin' chips, kid. 137 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Knock yourself out. 138 00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:49,800 Oh, no! There they go again! 139 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:56,100 Hi. 140 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,200 Do you know anything about cars? 141 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,660 I think there's something wrong with mine. 142 00:15:05,180 --> 00:15:06,180 I don't know. 143 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,020 Please do something. 144 00:15:15,340 --> 00:15:16,340 I don't know if I can do anything. 145 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Bless you. 146 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:29,220 See? 147 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:37,500 The radiator's bone dry. When's the last time you checked it? 148 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,200 I don't know. 149 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Never. 150 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,480 Hello, David. Remember me? 151 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,080 You're that guy who works for my mom. 152 00:15:56,460 --> 00:15:59,040 With your mom. I work with your mother. 153 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,180 Where is she? She's outside. 154 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,560 I want her to come in. She wants you to come out. 155 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,600 No. 156 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,200 David, your mother is waiting for you outside. 157 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:13,780 That's what the other guy said. 158 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,040 No. 159 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:20,400 Did you have a hose or a bucket? 160 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:21,759 A what? 161 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,000 A bucket, a bucket. 162 00:16:23,380 --> 00:16:27,580 No. Maybe some distilled water. It comes in a bottle. 163 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:30,900 All right, I'll get some of that. That'd be great. You mean now? 164 00:16:31,380 --> 00:16:32,560 Well, yeah, I mean now. 165 00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:35,380 Well, there's this thing. I think this is it. 166 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:36,700 What? 167 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:34,420 He's okay. 168 00:17:40,300 --> 00:17:46,480 Thank you. 169 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,260 Vincent's hood died before he reached the hospital. 170 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:56,740 What about the one who was holding David? 171 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,480 He was one of the lesser hoods. He just hasn't been convicted of murder yet. 172 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,080 I had a feeling you'd go after David yourself. 173 00:18:08,860 --> 00:18:10,140 I couldn't help it. 174 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,120 I... I know. He's your son. 175 00:18:15,540 --> 00:18:17,880 I'm glad I have a hotline to the police. 176 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,240 Thanks. 177 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,940 I've caused you a lot of trouble. 178 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:28,320 I lied in court. I hurt the case. 179 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,880 Remember I told you, being a woman in this business isn't easy. 180 00:18:34,939 --> 00:18:37,220 Well, like the fellow says, ain't nothing easy. 181 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,160 We got over one hump. Now let's see if we can get over another one. 182 00:18:56,180 --> 00:18:58,360 Okay, uh, Kim, bedtime is at 8 .30. 183 00:18:58,580 --> 00:18:59,580 Yeah. 184 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Nine o 'clock. 185 00:19:02,939 --> 00:19:06,660 and there are peanut butter cookies and apple juice in the fridge for their 186 00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,160 snack. All right. 187 00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:11,760 I probably won't be home till late, so just feel free. Make yourself 188 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,800 comfortable, okay? Okay, don't worry about a thing. 189 00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:15,180 Hey, Mom. 190 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:19,300 Bye. Bye -bye, sweetie. Okay, bye. Listen to Kim. 191 00:20:34,030 --> 00:20:36,630 All clear Here we go 192 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,160 Phone line. 193 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,220 Phone line. 194 00:21:21,020 --> 00:21:22,240 Phone line. 195 00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:26,620 Bingo, alarm line. 196 00:21:54,190 --> 00:21:55,750 Alarms out. Go. 197 00:22:13,550 --> 00:22:14,710 Freeze. 198 00:22:37,780 --> 00:22:39,140 Clear. Okay. 199 00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:21,850 We in. 200 00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:59,760 Put that down and place your hands behind your heads. 201 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,680 Oh. 202 00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:08,800 Oh, yeah, you're in trouble now. 203 00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:13,280 Breaking into a post office is a federal offense, gentlemen. 204 00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:16,120 Oh, and ladies. 205 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,120 So is kidnapping. 206 00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:20,920 And I want to see you serve every minute on that. 207 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:23,660 And then there's first -degree murder. 208 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,660 That's not exactly a misdemeanor. 209 00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:28,690 So who's going to be the first to give himself a break? 210 00:24:31,810 --> 00:24:33,410 Who's going to tell us what's going on here? 211 00:24:36,270 --> 00:24:37,270 Nobody. 212 00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:39,890 Okay. All right, take him downtown. 213 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:56,010 Just might have something. 214 00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:05,090 It's safe in the gun from the pictures. 215 00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:14,170 Maybe Charles Deming can tell us what they mean. 216 00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:33,980 Uh, Ben Matlock, Linda Hansfield, Charles Dibb. It's a pleasure. 217 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:37,840 Well, I understand you'd like me to identify one of our safes. Yeah. 218 00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:39,220 Uh, 219 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:40,360 that's not one of ours. 220 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:44,520 But it has your name on it. Yeah. Well, that's just a label here. I'll show you. 221 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:48,700 You see, somebody peeled that off one of our boxes just like that. 222 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,280 We would never do that. 223 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:55,480 But just to be sure, there would be a serial number on the bottom. AA -47 224 00:25:56,260 --> 00:25:58,080 No, that's definitely not one of ours. 225 00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:00,180 Well... 226 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,460 Did one of these ever get away from you, lose it, misplaced it? 227 00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:05,360 One was stolen once. When? 228 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,120 Four years ago. It was the only time anyone ever broke in and got away with 229 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,020 jewelry. I remember that robbery. 230 00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:13,319 Yeah? Yeah. 231 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,220 The insurance company reimbursed me for every item that was stolen, right down 232 00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:18,119 to the last earring. 233 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,500 Hey, you had a record of everything. 234 00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:22,400 I had a videotape of everything. 235 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,440 Oh. 236 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:35,670 Jeffrey Barr's company did the videotaping? Yeah. Two months before the 237 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:37,830 was robbed, nothing was ever recovered. 238 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:40,350 This is it, folks. 239 00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:44,150 Three people committed the break -in while a fourth person waited in the car 240 00:26:44,150 --> 00:26:46,010 outside. Sound familiar? 241 00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:50,670 Same M .O. as the post office. Only back then, three people did the breaking -in 242 00:26:50,670 --> 00:26:52,390 because Rob Casey was still alive. 243 00:26:53,030 --> 00:26:56,090 You think the guns in that safe were the ones used in the jewelry heist? 244 00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:00,610 Tyler just called from ballistics, and those guns were not used in the heist. 245 00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:02,510 You're kidding. 246 00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:06,770 No. They weren't even manufactured until two years ago. Neither was the safe. 247 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:09,750 And you know that label that was on the safe? 248 00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:14,610 Rob Casey put that label there because he was bluffing? 249 00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:19,470 And as soon as we find out who fell for it... 250 00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:31,250 Mr. Barr, how long have you known Mitchell Sands and Nancy Brock? 251 00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:36,270 On the advice of counsel, I invoke my Fifth Amendment rights, and I decline to 252 00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:37,189 answer that question. 253 00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:39,810 How about the decedent, Rob Casey? 254 00:27:40,670 --> 00:27:44,110 On the advice of counsel, I invoke my Fifth Amendment rights, and I... Fine, 255 00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:45,130 fine, fine, fine, fine. 256 00:27:45,370 --> 00:27:51,870 Mr. Barr, you go into people's homes and businesses and 257 00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:55,390 videotape their possessions for insurance policies. Is that correct? 258 00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:57,210 Yeah, that's correct. 259 00:27:57,290 --> 00:27:58,290 Okay. 260 00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:06,090 Here is a videotape that we subpoenaed from your company library, and 261 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:09,470 the name of the man you made it for is right here on the box. Would you read 262 00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:11,350 that name aloud for us, please? 263 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:14,150 It's Mitchell Sands. 264 00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:15,390 Mitchell Sands, okay. 265 00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:17,330 And your name's on here, too. Why? 266 00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:22,410 It's because you're the one who made the videotape. 267 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:26,500 Right? Answering that question might tend to incriminate me. Oh, that's fine, 268 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:31,720 fine, fine. We have a cassette player right here, and all we have to do is pop 269 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,780 it in, and we'll hear your voice behind the camera and see you talking to your 270 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:40,680 client, Mitchell Sands, and his former girlfriend, Nancy Proctor. 271 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:46,760 All right, all right, all right. I had a passing acquaintance with both of them, 272 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,280 but that was four years ago. 273 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:49,500 Four years ago. 274 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:50,900 Okay. 275 00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:55,600 Now, here's another videotape that we subpoenaed. 276 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,780 And would you read the name that's on this box? 277 00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:03,080 Charles Deming Jewelers. Right. And the date? 278 00:29:04,540 --> 00:29:07,720 April 7, 1985. And your name's on here, too. 279 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,520 That's correct. 280 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:17,280 Just two months after you made this videotape, this jewelry store was 281 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,520 robbed. Do you remember that? 282 00:29:20,020 --> 00:29:26,140 Vaguely. Vaguely. Because of this videotape, the insurance company covered 283 00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:29,440 entire $2 million loss. Now you remember? 284 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,400 Yes, I remember. 285 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,640 Yeah. 286 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:35,660 I've looked at this tape, and it's interesting. 287 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:37,100 I'm talking detail. 288 00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:44,060 Anybody who looked at this tape would get a very good idea of the security 289 00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:45,720 system in this store. 290 00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:53,090 Particularly your passing acquaintance, Mitchell Sands, who was once 291 00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:55,610 an electrical engineer. 292 00:29:56,070 --> 00:30:00,730 Objection. Relevant. Relevancy. Relevancy. I'm going to show relevancy. 293 00:30:01,030 --> 00:30:02,970 Over. Thank you. 294 00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:12,730 Uh, this safe was found in a post office box, 295 00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:17,010 registered... To Rob Casey. Maybe you recognize him. 296 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:24,490 And on the bottom, there's a sign, little tag there, says Charles Deming 297 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:25,630 Jewelers. You recognize him? 298 00:30:25,910 --> 00:30:26,910 No. 299 00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:30,290 Well, I think you recognize him. There. 300 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:34,310 Oh, uh -oh. 301 00:30:35,470 --> 00:30:42,190 The police ran ballistic tests on these this morning and dusted them for 302 00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:43,190 prints. 303 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,340 Care to guess what they found? 304 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,920 Look, that doesn't mean that I killed Casey. 305 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,879 Say again? 306 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,460 I said that this does not mean that I killed Rob Casey. 307 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,520 They found nothing. 308 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,980 Rob Casey was bluffing. These were not the safe and the gun that were used in 309 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:04,980 the heist. 310 00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:09,420 My guess is he got rid of them four years ago like he was supposed to. 311 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,840 But then he got to thinking. 312 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,460 And he went out and he bought this safe and these guns as kind of a little 313 00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:19,500 insurance policy. 314 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:27,140 In case, if, and when he ever wanted to blackmail his 315 00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:33,360 former associates, Mitchell Sands, Nancy Proctor, and you. 316 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,500 I don't know what you're talking about. 317 00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:42,060 Where were you at 6 o 'clock the night Rob Casey was killed? 318 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,740 I was videotaping the home and... Don't tell me that you were at Mr. and Mrs. 319 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,560 Dorfman's because I know you left there before 5 .30. 320 00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:54,320 So where were you really, Mr. Barr? 321 00:31:55,980 --> 00:32:01,040 I, uh... I went to Nancy Proctor's house. I had to talk to her. And did 322 00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:07,380 No. No, she wasn't there. So we don't know where you were really, do we? 323 00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:10,520 Yeah, ask the babysitter. 324 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:13,610 She saw me. She'll tell you I was there. Her name was Kim Kyoto. 325 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,110 She saw me. She'll say that I was there right at six o 'clock. Ask her. 326 00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:21,790 I'm done. 327 00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:33,950 If the killer isn't Mitchell Sands, I'll eat your hat. 328 00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:37,210 I don't wear a hat. 329 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:45,240 Well, if you did, I'd eat it. Well, according to the biggest crime boss in 330 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,780 state, he's not. 331 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:52,520 But Nancy Proctor was at her son's piano lesson. I checked it out myself. 332 00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:56,480 I checked out the ice cream parlor she took him to afterwards. 333 00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:03,360 I even know what flavors they ordered. Well, we're missing something. 334 00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:06,240 What makes you think we're going to find it here? 335 00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:09,110 I don't know. This is where he was killed. 336 00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:53,170 What you got? 337 00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:57,930 A 1936 proof set. 338 00:33:58,850 --> 00:34:02,610 How did the fire department miss this? I guess they weren't looking for 339 00:34:02,610 --> 00:34:03,610 something like that. 340 00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:07,610 Are they valuable? 341 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:11,070 I look for stuff like this all the time. 342 00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:14,550 That penny, $200. 343 00:34:16,630 --> 00:34:19,850 That buffalo head nickel, $700. 344 00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:23,070 A dime, about 400. 345 00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:28,050 That 50 cents, $2 ,000. 346 00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:35,949 Ooh, 347 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:38,210 what's this worth? 348 00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:42,310 25 cents. 349 00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:43,790 That's a little. 350 00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:47,250 That's a 1987 quarter. 351 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:55,540 You know, this would be worth much more as a set than if he broke it up. He'd 352 00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:56,560 never break this up. 353 00:34:58,180 --> 00:35:02,200 Do you think there might be a 1936 quarter around here somewhere? 354 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,660 Not if we're lucky. 355 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,080 Keep looking. 356 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,280 Gin up. 357 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,880 Wrist down. 358 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:22,400 Raise those fingers. 359 00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:24,220 Higher, higher. 360 00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:26,320 Sit up straight. 361 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,240 Elbows in. 362 00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:30,440 Keep going. 363 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,080 Steady, steady. 364 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:34,020 Feel the tempo. 365 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,840 That's it. 366 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,080 So, you have more questions about Artie Proctor? 367 00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,160 Yes, I forgot to ask you when I was here before. 368 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,260 Did his mom drop him off for his lesson and then pick him up later, or did she 369 00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:49,238 wait for him? 370 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:53,460 Artie's lesson is only a half hour. Nancy always waits for him. 371 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,580 So his mother was in here from 6 to 6 .30. 372 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,500 Oh, not in here. No. No. 373 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,900 In the library. 374 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,560 Parents must wait in here. 375 00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:11,540 Their presence in there would distract the students. 376 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,840 Shoulders back. 377 00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:16,220 Wrists down. 378 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,220 Tempo. Tempo. 379 00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:25,030 Do you always keep these doors closed? 380 00:36:25,330 --> 00:36:26,330 Yes. 381 00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:30,670 So you wouldn't know for sure whether she stayed or left? 382 00:36:31,630 --> 00:36:33,230 No, I wouldn't. 383 00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:39,150 Mrs. Proctor will be here at four tomorrow for Artie's regular lesson. 384 00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:40,150 ask her and then call you? 385 00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:42,550 No, no. No, please don't say anything. 386 00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:43,870 All right. 387 00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:45,530 Thank you for your time, though. 388 00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:49,710 Uh, you say, uh... 389 00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:53,760 Artie's regular lesson was Wednesdays at 4. 390 00:36:54,020 --> 00:36:58,480 Yes. But on the 17th, he came at 6. 391 00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:03,040 Well, Mrs. Proctor called the night before and asked if she could 392 00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:04,740 Artie's one of my favorites. 393 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:05,980 I said, fine. 394 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,760 Oh, well, thank you. We enjoyed that. 395 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,060 Casey's house is five minutes from here. 396 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,420 She killed him. 397 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,460 She snuck out. She killed him. She snuck back in. 398 00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:35,700 I want my spot. 399 00:37:57,130 --> 00:38:01,450 The note said if I didn't testify against Michael Koskoff, that I'd never 400 00:38:01,450 --> 00:38:02,450 son again. 401 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:04,330 So is that what you did? 402 00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:11,610 I testified earlier that I saw Michael Koskoff leaving the scene of the murder. 403 00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:15,010 When in fact, I didn't see anybody at all. 404 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:20,370 Why would someone force you to lie in court like that? 405 00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:25,270 So that Michael Koskoff would be convicted and the real murderer. 406 00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:28,930 The person who kidnapped my son would get away. 407 00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:33,590 When you found your son, he was wearing a jacket. 408 00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:38,070 Yes. I asked you to bring that jacket to court with you today. 409 00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:39,850 You did it. 410 00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:45,030 I ask that this jacket be marked Defense Exhibit J for identification. 411 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:46,770 It shall be still marked. 412 00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:48,010 Thank you. 413 00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:49,810 Is this your son's jacket? 414 00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:51,270 No. 415 00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:53,690 And when I examined it... 416 00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:57,970 I found this label sewn into the lining. 417 00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:59,170 What does it say? 418 00:39:00,290 --> 00:39:02,250 It says Artie Proctor. 419 00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:05,370 Nancy Proctor, Mr. 420 00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:09,230 Barr and Mr. Sand's mutual friend, has a son named Artie, doesn't she? 421 00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:10,830 Yes, she does. 422 00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:15,090 No further questions. 423 00:39:16,810 --> 00:39:17,810 No questions. 424 00:39:18,910 --> 00:39:20,270 Witness may step down. 425 00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:21,750 Mr. Matlock. 426 00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:25,030 Call Nancy Proctor to the stand. 427 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:28,330 You recognize this coat? 428 00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:32,210 Yes, it used to be my son's. Used to be? 429 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:34,810 He lost it several weeks ago. 430 00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:37,350 I have no idea how it ended up here. 431 00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:41,030 I think you have a very good idea. 432 00:39:42,130 --> 00:39:46,610 I think you're a good mother and you would never let anybody's little boy go 433 00:39:46,610 --> 00:39:48,550 without a warm jacket. 434 00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:53,410 Are you saying that I had something to do with the kidnapping? 435 00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:55,810 You had everything to do with it. 436 00:39:57,550 --> 00:39:58,970 That is not true. 437 00:40:00,290 --> 00:40:02,790 I have two small children of my own. 438 00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:09,370 I think kidnapping is the most despicable, the most heinous of all 439 00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:16,210 And that's exactly why you thought you could get away with it. You knew you had 440 00:40:16,210 --> 00:40:21,950 a surefire way to get another mother, Linda Hansfield, to help convict Michael 441 00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:25,670 Koskoff and get you off the hook for the murder of Ron Casey. 442 00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:27,380 Objection. No foundation. 443 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,880 Assumes facts not in evidence. 444 00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:32,160 Sustained. Okay. 445 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:39,260 Where were you between 6 and 6 .30 p .m. on March 17th? 446 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,300 I was at my son's weekly piano lesson. I was waiting for him there. 447 00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:46,160 Does he usually have his lesson at 6? 448 00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:51,080 Well, usually it's at 4. I had to reschedule it. I forget why. 449 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,020 But you were waiting for him right there in the room? 450 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,530 Yes. Now, are you sure we have spoken with the music teacher? 451 00:40:59,810 --> 00:41:01,710 Well, I was actually in another room. 452 00:41:02,110 --> 00:41:03,009 Uh -huh. 453 00:41:03,010 --> 00:41:05,590 Where did you park that evening? 454 00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:08,030 Where did I park? 455 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:10,230 Objection. Relevance. 456 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:15,430 Your Honor, I must be able to ask this witness where she parked. It goes to the 457 00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:17,510 alibi, and this coat demands it. 458 00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:23,010 Overruled. So, thank you. Where did you park that evening? Which side of the 459 00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:24,010 street? North or south? 460 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,140 The south side. 461 00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:30,280 Did you get a ticket? 462 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,080 No. 463 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,400 No. 464 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:40,640 Well, these people all parked on the same side 465 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,880 of the street that you say you parked, but they all got tickets. Do you know 466 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,819 why? 467 00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:48,060 I have no idea. 468 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:52,860 Rush hour traffic regulation. There's a sign right in front of the house. 469 00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:56,900 Maybe because you usually go at four, you never noticed it. 470 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,340 Now, why did all these people get parking tickets and you didn't? 471 00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:03,740 The meter maid somehow missed me. 472 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,400 Or maybe you missed her. 473 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:13,940 Did you sneak out of that house, drive the less than two miles to Rob Casey's 474 00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:19,460 house, go in, kill him, drive back, sneak back in the library of the music 475 00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:21,700 teachers just before the lesson ended? 476 00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:26,990 No. You were in on that jewelry store heist four years ago, weren't you? 477 00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:29,630 And everything went fine for a while. 478 00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:35,590 But then Rob Casey began to realize the only way 479 00:42:35,590 --> 00:42:39,450 out of his problems was to blackmail you. 480 00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:44,990 And you knew that he worked for Michael Koskoff, and you knew where the gun was 481 00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:48,010 kept, and you stole that gun, and you killed Rob Casey. 482 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:51,090 None of that is true. 483 00:42:53,290 --> 00:42:55,370 Where did you go after the music lesson? 484 00:42:55,750 --> 00:43:00,170 I took my son to get ice cream, as I always do. 485 00:43:00,450 --> 00:43:02,990 He went to a parlor at 9th and Maple. 486 00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:09,250 Yes. And you ordered one butter pecan cone and one fudge ripple cone. 487 00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:14,090 Yes. And you paid $1 .80 for them in exact change. 488 00:43:14,850 --> 00:43:16,150 I don't remember. 489 00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:20,310 Well, the boy who waited on you remembered. 490 00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:27,350 Because this is one of the coins you paid him with. 491 00:43:28,330 --> 00:43:30,990 A 1936 quarter. 492 00:43:31,310 --> 00:43:34,250 He kept it because he knew it was old. 493 00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:36,790 He thought maybe it was valuable. 494 00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:40,890 And it was much more valuable than he thought. 495 00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:42,390 It's proof. 496 00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:48,450 The thing about a coin like this is the only place you can find them now is in a 497 00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:50,790 collection or in a store. 498 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,780 Rob Casey worked in. 499 00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:56,460 What were you doing with it? 500 00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,240 I have no idea. 501 00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:06,540 The thing about coin proofs is you have to have a whole set 502 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:12,900 from one year. A penny, nickel, dime, quarter, fifth cent piece. 503 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,100 And Rob Casey had that, kept it in a plastic box on a table. 504 00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:21,760 I know because I found it. 505 00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:25,300 It was melted. But everything was there. 506 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,220 Except this quarter. 507 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,120 I found a quarter. It was 1987. 508 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:40,660 Now, how do you suppose that 1987 quarter was there and 509 00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:43,700 you wound up with this 1936? 510 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:46,400 I don't know. 511 00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:49,140 How about this? 512 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:55,960 You went over there ostensibly to give him the blackmail money. He knew you, so 513 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,020 he let you in the back door. 514 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,120 You put your purse down on the table where he kept his coin collection. 515 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,920 Opened your purse, take out the blackmail money, but you took out a 516 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,580 I don't know what happened then. You shot him and he fell on the table, or he 517 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:15,760 jumped at you as you shot him and you both fell on the table. 518 00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:22,300 Anyhow... You and him and the table and your purse and the coin collection all 519 00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:25,540 went to hell in a tea kettle. I mean, stuff went everywhere. 520 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,320 Well, you had to get out of there, so you picked up your purse and see if you 521 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,240 had anything else on the floor, maybe lipstick, a powder puff or a comb or 522 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,060 something. Here's a coin. Pick it up, put it in there, and get out of there. 523 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,580 And then you went to the ice cream parlor, bought some ice cream. 524 00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:46,560 Only thing is, 525 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,020 You're overpaid by almost $1 ,000. 526 00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:57,260 He was blackmailing all of you, wasn't he? 527 00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:03,080 How did you get picked to kill him? 528 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,680 Did you volunteer or did you draw straws? 529 00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:20,230 Maybe you ought to invoke the fifth. 530 00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:29,390 How do you feel? 531 00:46:29,950 --> 00:46:34,690 Happy is how I feel. Happy and relieved and eager to get back to my coin shop. 532 00:46:38,610 --> 00:46:39,610 Tyler? 533 00:46:43,330 --> 00:46:44,330 Congratulations. 534 00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:45,870 Congratulations to you. 535 00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:48,110 You know, He'd make a pretty good team. 536 00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:50,170 This is going to work out okay. 537 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:56,310 What is going to work out okay? Well, I'm glad to see you've settled your 538 00:46:56,310 --> 00:46:57,970 differences. This is going to work out okay. 539 00:46:58,330 --> 00:46:59,590 What's going to work out okay? 540 00:47:00,470 --> 00:47:02,610 Linda's agreed to work with us from time to time. 541 00:47:03,210 --> 00:47:04,210 Do you like hot dogs? 542 00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:06,150 I can't stand them. 543 00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:08,070 This is not going to work out okay.