1 00:00:14,773 --> 00:00:16,637 [John] For the past 45 years, 2 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:19,743 I have been investigating the unsolved death 3 00:00:19,847 --> 00:00:22,229 of my sister, Theresa Allore. 4 00:00:23,747 --> 00:00:27,510 Theresa disappeared in Quebec, Canada, 5 00:00:27,613 --> 00:00:29,581 in 1978. 6 00:00:30,547 --> 00:00:33,274 We were being told by the police 7 00:00:33,378 --> 00:00:36,105 that it could've been a drug overdose, 8 00:00:36,208 --> 00:00:38,417 homicide is off the radar. 9 00:00:39,832 --> 00:00:41,903 She was not a drug addict. 10 00:00:42,249 --> 00:00:45,321 To me, her being found in her bra, 11 00:00:45,424 --> 00:00:48,669 in her underwear, in the middle of nowhere, 12 00:00:49,118 --> 00:00:52,328 suggests sexual murder. 13 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:57,126 I just wanted to know whatever the truth was. 14 00:00:58,989 --> 00:01:00,612 It's decades later. 15 00:01:06,376 --> 00:01:08,344 I wasn't supposed to do my... 16 00:01:09,862 --> 00:01:11,588 whole life doing this. 17 00:01:14,004 --> 00:01:15,937 I know my parents worry about me. 18 00:01:16,041 --> 00:01:18,837 I know my brother worries. 19 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:27,466 [Andre] I feel very much that this is 20 00:01:27,570 --> 00:01:29,848 a story about two tragedies. 21 00:01:30,297 --> 00:01:32,126 It's important for me to be here today 22 00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:36,717 to be part of the work that John started 23 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:40,721 on the investigation of my sister, Theresa's, death. 24 00:01:42,343 --> 00:01:45,174 I seriously thought about not doing it, 25 00:01:45,277 --> 00:01:48,453 but I wouldn't be able to live with myself 26 00:01:48,556 --> 00:01:50,696 if I didn't partake in this 27 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,736 and try to complete the story in some way, for John 28 00:01:56,185 --> 00:01:59,153 and for the family, for all of us. 29 00:01:59,257 --> 00:02:05,228 [music] 30 00:02:13,547 --> 00:02:18,241 I ride a bike and I cycle at least 30 miles every day 31 00:02:18,345 --> 00:02:22,418 because I need two hours to myself. 32 00:02:23,522 --> 00:02:26,698 My sister, definitely, I think, found a sense 33 00:02:26,801 --> 00:02:28,941 of escape on the bike. 34 00:02:29,218 --> 00:02:33,394 I even find myself adopting her style, 35 00:02:33,498 --> 00:02:35,465 which was to ride low. 36 00:02:36,190 --> 00:02:38,917 And it's not a heady thing. I don't make too much about it, 37 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:40,608 but I know what it is. 38 00:02:40,884 --> 00:02:42,576 I know why I do it. 39 00:02:43,301 --> 00:02:46,821 The more I'd investigate the murder of my sister, 40 00:02:46,925 --> 00:02:50,998 the more I'm forced to confront 41 00:02:51,101 --> 00:02:54,277 the horror of Theresa's death 42 00:02:55,002 --> 00:02:59,731 because your whole objective is to know the truth. 43 00:03:00,283 --> 00:03:02,423 So I'm being forced to confront 44 00:03:02,527 --> 00:03:04,356 the place I don't really wanna go 45 00:03:04,460 --> 00:03:06,324 whether I like it or not. 46 00:03:10,328 --> 00:03:13,434 I come from a family of a brother and a sister. 47 00:03:13,538 --> 00:03:15,643 Theresa was my older sister. 48 00:03:15,747 --> 00:03:18,784 I also have an older brother, Andre. 49 00:03:19,233 --> 00:03:20,855 We, all three of us, were born 50 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:23,375 in Southern Ontario in Canada. 51 00:03:23,893 --> 00:03:27,137 [Andre] It was always a fun time growing up, 52 00:03:27,241 --> 00:03:29,588 and with John and Theresa, 53 00:03:29,692 --> 00:03:32,350 there was always something going on. 54 00:03:33,143 --> 00:03:34,731 There was never a dull moment. 55 00:03:35,525 --> 00:03:39,564 Theresa was fun, adventurous, 56 00:03:40,012 --> 00:03:41,428 caring. 57 00:03:41,531 --> 00:03:44,672 She would stick up for the little guy, 58 00:03:44,776 --> 00:03:47,951 and I definitely looked up to Theresa. 59 00:03:48,055 --> 00:03:49,505 We all did. 60 00:03:52,404 --> 00:03:54,648 By the late summer of 1978, 61 00:03:54,751 --> 00:03:58,307 Theresa had decided on going to Champlain College 62 00:03:58,583 --> 00:04:01,413 in a rural town called Lennoxville, 63 00:04:01,517 --> 00:04:04,934 about 100 miles outside of Montreal. 64 00:04:05,037 --> 00:04:08,040 My brother was also at the same school. 65 00:04:13,667 --> 00:04:18,085 Theresa was last seen around 6:00 in the evening 66 00:04:18,188 --> 00:04:20,536 outside the dining hall 67 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,917 where students traditionally waited for the bus. 68 00:04:23,021 --> 00:04:27,405 Her residence was about 10 kilometers from the campus. 69 00:04:29,372 --> 00:04:33,514 The first realization that something is wrong 70 00:04:33,618 --> 00:04:36,862 is that she had told a couple of friends 71 00:04:36,966 --> 00:04:39,658 that she might stop by their room 72 00:04:39,762 --> 00:04:42,178 to listen to records later, 73 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:44,353 after she finished her book report, 74 00:04:44,456 --> 00:04:46,493 and she's a no-show. 75 00:04:49,012 --> 00:04:50,359 People are like, 76 00:04:50,462 --> 00:04:52,671 "Well, maybe she decided to go back to Montreal. 77 00:04:52,775 --> 00:04:54,846 We'll see her in class Monday morning." 78 00:04:56,537 --> 00:04:59,333 Monday arrives. There's no sign of Theresa. 79 00:04:59,816 --> 00:05:03,717 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 80 00:05:03,820 --> 00:05:07,445 Fellow students notify my brother who was there 81 00:05:07,548 --> 00:05:10,310 and say, "None of us have seen Theresa." 82 00:05:11,621 --> 00:05:15,660 My worry meter at that time was very, very high. 83 00:05:16,039 --> 00:05:17,558 Went to her room. 84 00:05:17,938 --> 00:05:20,250 Things look like they hadn't been touched 85 00:05:20,354 --> 00:05:22,460 and she hadn't been there. 86 00:05:23,115 --> 00:05:26,464 Then, Friday, I called home and I said, 87 00:05:26,567 --> 00:05:29,018 "Theresa has been missing for a week." 88 00:05:30,744 --> 00:05:33,160 [John] My parents come into my bedroom 89 00:05:33,263 --> 00:05:34,299 and they say to me, 90 00:05:34,403 --> 00:05:35,852 "Theresa's missing. 91 00:05:35,956 --> 00:05:39,442 We're gonna drive to Quebec to find out what's going on." 92 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:47,105 There's meetings between my parents and the police 93 00:05:47,208 --> 00:05:48,658 and school officials. 94 00:05:48,762 --> 00:05:51,212 Some of the theories that the authorities told my parents 95 00:05:51,316 --> 00:05:53,422 were, "Your daughter is a runaway. 96 00:05:53,698 --> 00:05:55,320 Your daughter is a drug dealer 97 00:05:55,424 --> 00:05:56,770 and she's running drugs. 98 00:05:56,873 --> 00:05:58,219 Your daughter is a lesbian. 99 00:05:58,323 --> 00:06:01,913 She's ashamed and she's decided to isolate herself." 100 00:06:03,052 --> 00:06:06,193 None of those theories made sense to my family. 101 00:06:06,573 --> 00:06:10,231 But a missing person investigation was initiated. 102 00:06:10,335 --> 00:06:13,442 There were posters made up with Theresa's photo, 103 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:14,960 "Have you seen this women?" 104 00:06:15,064 --> 00:06:17,963 And notices in the local newspapers. 105 00:06:18,826 --> 00:06:21,277 [Andre] My parents thought that the local police 106 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:23,244 who were involved in the investigation 107 00:06:23,348 --> 00:06:26,006 were doing what they needed to do. 108 00:06:27,145 --> 00:06:29,941 But it wasn't really going anywhere. 109 00:06:41,055 --> 00:06:42,712 Now it's Christmas time 110 00:06:42,816 --> 00:06:44,404 and we're all back home, 111 00:06:44,507 --> 00:06:47,476 dealing with Theresa's disappearance. 112 00:06:47,579 --> 00:06:50,410 We all knew something was horribly wrong. 113 00:06:51,134 --> 00:06:54,552 [John] Our Christmases were so full of life. 114 00:06:55,380 --> 00:06:57,071 That was gone. 115 00:06:58,659 --> 00:07:01,282 But there was always that hope 116 00:07:01,386 --> 00:07:04,389 that this would resolve itself. 117 00:07:04,493 --> 00:07:06,702 And she would show up, and it would be 118 00:07:06,805 --> 00:07:10,499 some kind of grandiose misunderstanding. 119 00:07:25,514 --> 00:07:29,241 Good Friday, April 13th, 1979, 120 00:07:29,345 --> 00:07:30,691 it's spring. 121 00:07:30,795 --> 00:07:32,866 Snow is starting to melt. 122 00:07:33,729 --> 00:07:35,869 There's a musk rat trapper 123 00:07:35,972 --> 00:07:39,113 at the side of the road in Compton, Quebec, 124 00:07:39,389 --> 00:07:41,702 which is about a kilometer 125 00:07:41,806 --> 00:07:46,017 from the student residence where Theresa had been living. 126 00:07:46,569 --> 00:07:49,089 And he goes into a small wooded area 127 00:07:49,192 --> 00:07:50,746 to set some traps. 128 00:07:50,849 --> 00:07:55,475 And he sees, in, near some brush, 129 00:07:55,578 --> 00:07:58,029 what he thinks is a mannequin. 130 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:00,169 And as he gets closer, 131 00:08:00,272 --> 00:08:03,172 he realizes that it's the body of a woman. 132 00:08:05,243 --> 00:08:09,419 Face down, in a small body of water, 133 00:08:09,523 --> 00:08:12,250 in her bra and her underwear. 134 00:08:12,561 --> 00:08:15,149 And he immediately phones the police. 135 00:08:17,773 --> 00:08:21,466 One of the investigators at the scene 136 00:08:21,570 --> 00:08:22,778 knew that Theresa has been missing 137 00:08:22,881 --> 00:08:24,676 for five-and-a-half months, 138 00:08:24,780 --> 00:08:26,782 so he makes the phone call to my father, 139 00:08:26,885 --> 00:08:30,199 and asked him to come and identify the body. 140 00:08:37,551 --> 00:08:41,797 We all got in the car and drove to the headquarters 141 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:45,076 of the Sûreté du Québec in downtown Montreal 142 00:08:45,179 --> 00:08:48,976 which housed the coroner's office at that time. 143 00:08:49,598 --> 00:08:52,566 And my father walked down a hallway 144 00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:54,534 into the morgue. 145 00:08:55,224 --> 00:08:58,745 [Andre] To this day, I remember him coming back. 146 00:08:59,573 --> 00:09:01,575 He was as white as a ghost. 147 00:09:02,162 --> 00:09:05,061 And he just told us that it was Theresa. 148 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,996 [John] The guy who went down that hallway 149 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:12,655 was not the guy who came out the other side 150 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:15,175 and he was never quite the same again. 151 00:09:20,042 --> 00:09:22,596 When they actually do the autopsy, 152 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:28,084 the coroner says, "My conclusion is violent death... 153 00:09:30,431 --> 00:09:32,261 of undetermined means." 154 00:09:34,504 --> 00:09:37,438 Well, what does that mean? 155 00:09:38,336 --> 00:09:41,960 Violent death caused by her, caused by someone else? 156 00:09:42,064 --> 00:09:43,134 What is it? 157 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:52,868 [Andre] "Undetermined violent means," 158 00:09:53,454 --> 00:09:55,284 those words alone... 159 00:09:59,184 --> 00:10:02,256 Don't provide you with any closure, 160 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,362 at all, on Theresa's death. 161 00:10:05,915 --> 00:10:09,850 [John] My parents were being told by the police, 162 00:10:09,954 --> 00:10:12,163 essentially, that this was her fault, 163 00:10:12,266 --> 00:10:15,235 that it could've been a variety of options 164 00:10:15,338 --> 00:10:16,926 that all blamed her. 165 00:10:17,444 --> 00:10:21,413 "It was a drug overdose and she wandered there. 166 00:10:21,724 --> 00:10:25,003 Some students found her dead in her bed 167 00:10:25,107 --> 00:10:26,142 and panicked, 168 00:10:26,246 --> 00:10:28,455 so decided to wrap her in a blanket 169 00:10:28,558 --> 00:10:30,181 and dump her there." 170 00:10:32,183 --> 00:10:34,910 The message going out to the press is the same message. 171 00:10:35,013 --> 00:10:37,050 There's an article that's published 172 00:10:37,153 --> 00:10:38,948 very prominently, and the headline is, 173 00:10:39,052 --> 00:10:41,675 "Theresa Allore, a history of drugs 174 00:10:41,779 --> 00:10:43,884 or a drug story?" 175 00:10:45,023 --> 00:10:49,131 It was a very intense few days. 176 00:10:49,407 --> 00:10:50,995 Overwhelming. 177 00:10:53,825 --> 00:10:55,171 For five-and-a-half months, 178 00:10:55,275 --> 00:10:57,933 we all questioned what was going on here. 179 00:11:06,148 --> 00:11:08,978 [Andre] I returned to Champlain College 180 00:11:09,082 --> 00:11:11,118 and I was asked to attend a meeting 181 00:11:11,222 --> 00:11:13,638 with the head investigator on the case. 182 00:11:13,983 --> 00:11:18,919 And he presented me with two of Theresa's personal items. 183 00:11:19,748 --> 00:11:21,991 Number one was her wallet. 184 00:11:22,095 --> 00:11:25,374 And number two was her gray scarf. 185 00:11:25,788 --> 00:11:28,066 And he said, "We found the scarf 186 00:11:28,170 --> 00:11:29,861 in the field by the bridge in Compton 187 00:11:29,965 --> 00:11:33,002 and the wallet over on McDonald Road," 188 00:11:33,106 --> 00:11:35,246 which was miles away. 189 00:11:36,557 --> 00:11:38,111 [John] Theresa's red wallet 190 00:11:38,214 --> 00:11:41,839 had been found at the side of a back road 191 00:11:41,942 --> 00:11:44,911 as if it had been tossed from a moving vehicle, 192 00:11:45,014 --> 00:11:48,846 which was inconsistent and bizarre. 193 00:11:51,227 --> 00:11:55,507 I don't think we ever really made sense of it. 194 00:11:55,611 --> 00:11:57,820 My parents seemed to think 195 00:11:57,924 --> 00:12:00,961 that something happened at the residence, 196 00:12:01,065 --> 00:12:03,067 something must've happened. 197 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:04,551 Of course, to a certain extent, 198 00:12:04,654 --> 00:12:07,209 you do put that on yourself 199 00:12:07,657 --> 00:12:10,453 because I was at that residence, okay? 200 00:12:10,557 --> 00:12:12,248 Everybody knew one another. 201 00:12:12,352 --> 00:12:15,148 We were all living somewhat together. 202 00:12:15,251 --> 00:12:17,426 How could I not know something? 203 00:12:19,842 --> 00:12:21,706 [John] Right around the one-year anniversary 204 00:12:21,810 --> 00:12:23,156 of her disappearance, 205 00:12:23,259 --> 00:12:25,745 my father was at a crossroads. 206 00:12:25,848 --> 00:12:27,919 "Were they going to take legal action 207 00:12:28,023 --> 00:12:30,577 against the police force or against the school?" 208 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,268 What was the next step? 209 00:12:32,372 --> 00:12:35,444 And I think he just made the decision, 210 00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:37,204 "I need to live now 211 00:12:37,618 --> 00:12:40,483 with my two surviving children and my wife 212 00:12:40,587 --> 00:12:42,416 'cause that's the priority, 213 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,868 and leave matters inconclusive 214 00:12:45,972 --> 00:12:48,181 in regard to the death of Theresa." 215 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,010 At various points, 216 00:12:50,114 --> 00:12:53,220 I think we all blamed ourselves for this 217 00:12:53,324 --> 00:12:57,224 because we were unable to do anything to stop it. 218 00:12:58,018 --> 00:13:01,781 But we all decided it was best to move on. 219 00:13:07,338 --> 00:13:10,410 By 2002, I'm no longer living in Canada 220 00:13:11,031 --> 00:13:13,620 and I had a family of my own. 221 00:13:13,723 --> 00:13:15,795 I had a five-year-old daughter 222 00:13:15,898 --> 00:13:18,452 and I began to question the legacy 223 00:13:18,556 --> 00:13:21,283 of my elder sibling dying, 224 00:13:21,386 --> 00:13:25,632 and what was the message in that entire horrible event? 225 00:13:25,735 --> 00:13:27,876 What was I going to tell my children? 226 00:13:28,290 --> 00:13:30,154 I didn't have a good answer. 227 00:13:30,982 --> 00:13:32,984 So I realized that I needed 228 00:13:33,088 --> 00:13:38,162 to learn about everything to do with my sister's death. 229 00:13:41,337 --> 00:13:43,546 But I'm living in North Carolina, 230 00:13:43,961 --> 00:13:47,516 so I had to very quickly become a cyber detective 231 00:13:47,619 --> 00:13:50,864 to do the majority of my investigation online. 232 00:13:51,140 --> 00:13:53,177 [Andre] John was determined 233 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,869 to investigate Theresa's case 234 00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:59,148 and get to the bottom of what exactly happened. 235 00:13:59,252 --> 00:14:01,047 I was probably a little more apprehensive 236 00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:04,567 about jumping right into this. 237 00:14:05,016 --> 00:14:07,087 [John] The initial step was looking through 238 00:14:07,191 --> 00:14:11,229 libraries of newspaper digests and things like that. 239 00:14:11,609 --> 00:14:13,922 And I phoned the Quebec police. 240 00:14:14,025 --> 00:14:16,062 And I said, 241 00:14:17,201 --> 00:14:20,583 "Can I see my sister's case file?" 242 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,345 They said, yes, I can. 243 00:14:23,448 --> 00:14:24,760 So the next step 244 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:28,177 was to fly to Quebec and visit the police headquarters 245 00:14:28,281 --> 00:14:30,283 where the case file was. 246 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,978 And it all just cascaded from there. 247 00:14:40,983 --> 00:14:43,606 An investigator brought a box 248 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:46,437 and I methodically went through 249 00:14:46,540 --> 00:14:48,853 papers and testimonies, 250 00:14:48,957 --> 00:14:51,649 and translating, what does this mean? 251 00:14:52,132 --> 00:14:54,134 At the conclusion of that day, 252 00:14:54,238 --> 00:14:55,446 as I left, I asked, 253 00:14:55,549 --> 00:14:57,862 "What about the physical evidence? 254 00:14:57,966 --> 00:15:00,727 What about the bra and underwear?" 255 00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:02,349 And he said, 256 00:15:02,453 --> 00:15:04,904 "It's been destroyed. It's been disposed of." 257 00:15:05,007 --> 00:15:09,080 And I said, "It's been-- It's been what?" 258 00:15:09,391 --> 00:15:11,393 Well, when did that happen?" 259 00:15:11,496 --> 00:15:13,982 He said, "Well, that happened about five years 260 00:15:14,085 --> 00:15:15,673 after she was found." 261 00:15:16,087 --> 00:15:18,055 And he said it in a manner 262 00:15:18,158 --> 00:15:20,333 that was like, "Well, we do this all the time." 263 00:15:20,436 --> 00:15:22,991 I was shocked. This was another aha moment. 264 00:15:25,717 --> 00:15:28,824 While in Quebec, it was very important for me 265 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:30,930 to see physical places. 266 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,312 I wanted to see where Theresa was found, 267 00:15:34,416 --> 00:15:35,900 where the wallet was found. 268 00:15:36,004 --> 00:15:38,558 I wanted to see where she was last seen. 269 00:15:40,525 --> 00:15:44,288 And I'm right at the site where her body was found, 270 00:15:45,013 --> 00:15:49,638 trying to reconcile these theories 271 00:15:49,741 --> 00:15:53,814 of she might've overdosed in the residence 272 00:15:53,918 --> 00:15:56,817 or she might've been a runaway. 273 00:15:57,404 --> 00:16:01,132 With how she was found, how she was dressed, 274 00:16:01,236 --> 00:16:02,892 what was missing, 275 00:16:02,996 --> 00:16:05,757 what was found further away, 276 00:16:07,173 --> 00:16:08,760 I came to a conclusion 277 00:16:08,864 --> 00:16:11,625 that this was not a drug overdose. 278 00:16:11,867 --> 00:16:14,318 This was a murder. 279 00:16:19,599 --> 00:16:24,397 This is a panorama of the dump site. 280 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:28,125 At a certain point, I wanted for the public, 281 00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:30,403 particularly the residence of Sherbrooke, 282 00:16:30,506 --> 00:16:32,819 Eastern Townships, Lennoxville, 283 00:16:32,922 --> 00:16:35,546 to know what I was learning. 284 00:16:36,236 --> 00:16:38,480 And so I had a friend, Patrician Pearson, 285 00:16:38,583 --> 00:16:41,655 who was a crime writer for Toronto newspapers, 286 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,244 and in the summer of 2002, 287 00:16:44,348 --> 00:16:48,800 the two of us, together, wrote a series of three articles. 288 00:16:48,904 --> 00:16:53,081 And I started a website called Who Killed Theresa? 289 00:16:53,184 --> 00:16:57,499 Which investigated the unsolved murder of my sister. 290 00:17:00,847 --> 00:17:05,093 The whole purpose of it was for people to come forward 291 00:17:05,196 --> 00:17:07,923 and contribute information. 292 00:17:08,268 --> 00:17:10,926 After the articles, a reporter contacted me 293 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:12,479 for a follow-up interview 294 00:17:12,583 --> 00:17:14,792 and then, rather nonchalantly, he told me 295 00:17:14,895 --> 00:17:17,864 that he had a document that he had retrieved. 296 00:17:17,967 --> 00:17:20,280 And it was a second coroner's report, 297 00:17:20,384 --> 00:17:21,488 not the one that said, 298 00:17:21,592 --> 00:17:23,456 "Violent death of undetermined means." 299 00:17:24,284 --> 00:17:26,769 This document was from the day 300 00:17:26,873 --> 00:17:31,395 of the discovery of the body, April 13th, 1979. 301 00:17:32,534 --> 00:17:35,847 The new document was faxed over to me, 302 00:17:36,158 --> 00:17:38,919 so I'm reading along and it says, 303 00:17:39,023 --> 00:17:42,164 "Strangulation marks around the neck." 304 00:17:45,271 --> 00:17:48,446 And I'm like, "What? 305 00:17:48,860 --> 00:17:50,448 How does this piece of evidence 306 00:17:50,552 --> 00:17:53,486 reconcile with a drug overdose?" 307 00:17:54,314 --> 00:17:56,592 To me, it points to homicide. 308 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,492 But what you read on paper 309 00:17:59,595 --> 00:18:02,564 is only leading you to more questions 310 00:18:02,667 --> 00:18:04,876 for which you want more information, 311 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:07,120 which leads to more questions. 312 00:18:07,224 --> 00:18:09,640 So one of the things I wanted to do 313 00:18:09,743 --> 00:18:13,747 was to verify if there was drugs in her system 314 00:18:13,851 --> 00:18:15,439 when she died. 315 00:18:16,785 --> 00:18:20,685 And I was trying to find the toxicological report. 316 00:18:20,858 --> 00:18:22,239 And lo and behold, 317 00:18:22,342 --> 00:18:24,275 it was in my father's pile of documents. 318 00:18:24,379 --> 00:18:25,828 But it was kinda hidden, 319 00:18:25,932 --> 00:18:29,349 and it seems to me that he hadn't looked at it either. 320 00:18:29,763 --> 00:18:33,284 When I looked at the toxicological report, 321 00:18:33,388 --> 00:18:35,321 it stated undeniably 322 00:18:35,424 --> 00:18:39,877 that there were no evidence of drugs in her system. 323 00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:41,120 None. Nothing. 324 00:18:41,223 --> 00:18:43,432 This was a huge eye-opener 325 00:18:43,536 --> 00:18:46,573 to hear something that was determined 326 00:18:46,677 --> 00:18:51,199 years ago but was kept from the family. 327 00:18:51,647 --> 00:18:53,477 [John] You have another document 328 00:18:53,580 --> 00:18:56,411 that flies in the face of the police's theory. 329 00:18:56,514 --> 00:19:00,208 They say drugs, this document says no drugs. 330 00:19:00,656 --> 00:19:03,280 I began to realize that, "Wait a minute, 331 00:19:03,383 --> 00:19:07,629 the police are an inhibitor to the process." 332 00:19:09,355 --> 00:19:14,291 Why didn't they fully investigate my sister's case? 333 00:19:16,534 --> 00:19:20,089 The realization that my sister, Theresa, was murdered 334 00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:23,369 naturally led to "By who?" 335 00:19:24,749 --> 00:19:27,890 So I began to look at the public record 336 00:19:27,994 --> 00:19:30,652 about what else was going on at that time 337 00:19:30,755 --> 00:19:33,793 in the area around the college campus 338 00:19:33,896 --> 00:19:35,174 and came to find 339 00:19:35,277 --> 00:19:37,279 that not only was it a time 340 00:19:37,383 --> 00:19:40,455 of intensely clustered sexual assaults against women, 341 00:19:40,558 --> 00:19:45,011 but also there were an awful lot of murders happening 342 00:19:45,253 --> 00:19:49,015 that I felt were related or informative 343 00:19:49,118 --> 00:19:51,120 to Theresa's murder. 344 00:19:51,707 --> 00:19:54,020 The earliest case at 17 months 345 00:19:54,123 --> 00:19:55,918 before Theresa's incident, 346 00:19:56,022 --> 00:19:59,198 a woman in her 20s named Louise Camirand 347 00:19:59,301 --> 00:20:02,235 is last seen at a corner store 348 00:20:02,339 --> 00:20:04,099 in downtown Sherbrooke. 349 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:08,690 Her body is found in the woods just outside of Sherbrooke. 350 00:20:08,793 --> 00:20:12,418 She was raped and there was a boot lace around her neck. 351 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:16,249 In January 1978, 352 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,389 10-year-old Manon Dubé 353 00:20:18,493 --> 00:20:20,943 goes missing in downtown Sherbrooke. 354 00:20:21,392 --> 00:20:24,430 Her body is found in a creek 355 00:20:24,533 --> 00:20:28,917 not far from where Theresa's body was found. 356 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:33,301 In June, 18-year-old Carole Fecteau 357 00:20:33,404 --> 00:20:36,994 is found naked in a stream. 358 00:20:37,097 --> 00:20:41,654 Her wallet is found deposited by the side of the road. 359 00:20:43,138 --> 00:20:44,277 None of the cases, 360 00:20:44,381 --> 00:20:46,866 Dubé, Louise Camirand, Carole Fecteau, 361 00:20:46,969 --> 00:20:48,902 were ever solved. 362 00:20:49,938 --> 00:20:53,700 One of the things that just seemed logical to me to do, 363 00:20:53,804 --> 00:20:56,807 "Why don't we document where they were found 364 00:20:56,910 --> 00:21:00,328 and see if there is some kind of association 365 00:21:00,431 --> 00:21:03,469 with the geographic plot points?" 366 00:21:03,572 --> 00:21:07,369 The most striking thing about the map, initially, 367 00:21:07,473 --> 00:21:10,441 is somebody is committing a crime 368 00:21:10,545 --> 00:21:14,859 in the cluster around downtown Sherbrooke 369 00:21:15,204 --> 00:21:18,691 and then disposing of the evidence. 370 00:21:19,208 --> 00:21:21,832 What I suspected was that one offender 371 00:21:21,935 --> 00:21:24,766 was responsible for these murders. 372 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:27,734 [Andre] John was developing 373 00:21:27,838 --> 00:21:31,704 more of a serial killer type of theory 374 00:21:31,807 --> 00:21:33,671 around what had happened to Theresa. 375 00:21:33,775 --> 00:21:36,467 This wasn't just an isolated case anymore. 376 00:21:36,571 --> 00:21:38,711 There were other women in the area 377 00:21:38,814 --> 00:21:41,403 that died in similar situation. 378 00:21:41,507 --> 00:21:44,579 I needed the muscle of a professional 379 00:21:44,682 --> 00:21:47,961 and that muscle was Kim Rossmo. 380 00:21:48,065 --> 00:21:50,170 He's a Canadian who was trained 381 00:21:50,274 --> 00:21:54,140 as a behavioral profilest by the FBI in Quantico. 382 00:21:54,243 --> 00:21:55,969 And we went to him and said, 383 00:21:56,073 --> 00:21:59,766 "Well, I have a map where I plotted all these points." 384 00:21:59,973 --> 00:22:02,838 He said, "That's geographic profiling." 385 00:22:03,667 --> 00:22:05,220 Through the data points, 386 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:07,153 what you wanna arrive at 387 00:22:07,256 --> 00:22:09,017 is a probable location 388 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:13,332 of where the offender lived or habituated, 389 00:22:13,435 --> 00:22:16,438 and ultimately who that offender was. 390 00:22:16,542 --> 00:22:19,717 And I asked him, "Based on what we know, 391 00:22:19,821 --> 00:22:22,479 can you suggest an offender 392 00:22:22,582 --> 00:22:27,449 who would most likely be responsible for these murders?" 393 00:22:27,553 --> 00:22:30,418 And he said, "Yes, I can, 394 00:22:30,521 --> 00:22:33,559 and his name is Luc Gregoire." 395 00:22:34,939 --> 00:22:36,803 Kim Rossmo told me 396 00:22:36,907 --> 00:22:39,806 Luc Gregoire had a rap sheet in the area 397 00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:44,086 for numerous sexual assaults and rapes. 398 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:46,226 And in 1993, 399 00:22:46,330 --> 00:22:49,816 he committed the murder of a convenient store clerk, 400 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,648 and for that, he was convicted and given a life sentence. 401 00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:56,754 [Andre] I thought that Luc Gregoire 402 00:22:56,858 --> 00:22:58,411 could have been the person 403 00:22:58,515 --> 00:23:01,518 who is responsible for Theresa's death 404 00:23:01,621 --> 00:23:04,452 and other women who died of a similar nature 405 00:23:04,555 --> 00:23:06,246 in the area. 406 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,802 [John] So Kim Rossmo contacted the Sûreté du Québec, 407 00:23:09,905 --> 00:23:12,598 saying that it's highly probable 408 00:23:12,701 --> 00:23:15,601 that these unsolved murders 409 00:23:15,704 --> 00:23:17,810 were committed by one person 410 00:23:17,913 --> 00:23:22,504 and the cases need to be looked at together. 411 00:23:22,953 --> 00:23:26,128 So that was the lever that was pulled to say, 412 00:23:26,232 --> 00:23:30,374 "Okay, police, you have your professional verdict. 413 00:23:30,478 --> 00:23:32,894 Investigate these crimes 414 00:23:32,997 --> 00:23:36,794 as the possible work of a serial sexual offender." 415 00:23:37,692 --> 00:23:41,834 The evidence was stacking up against Gregoire. 416 00:23:41,937 --> 00:23:44,940 It felt I was moving in the right direction. 417 00:23:50,705 --> 00:23:52,845 [music] 418 00:23:52,948 --> 00:23:55,641 The pursuit of Luc Gregoire 419 00:23:55,744 --> 00:24:00,300 was done in conjunction with the Sûreté du Québec. 420 00:24:00,784 --> 00:24:02,682 I have had helpful investigators 421 00:24:02,786 --> 00:24:04,650 and not so helpful investigators. 422 00:24:04,753 --> 00:24:07,756 And for a time, I had a very helpful investigator 423 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:11,519 who planted a mole in Gregoire's cell 424 00:24:11,622 --> 00:24:15,937 to see if they could get Gregoire to admit something 425 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,456 and he never did. 426 00:24:18,215 --> 00:24:21,874 And then in 2015, he died in prison. 427 00:24:23,082 --> 00:24:25,947 There was no follow-up from the police. 428 00:24:27,155 --> 00:24:31,815 I wanted justice for my sister and my family, 429 00:24:31,918 --> 00:24:35,439 so I partnered again with Patricia Pearson 430 00:24:35,543 --> 00:24:37,165 to write a book. 431 00:24:37,614 --> 00:24:40,030 It was called Wish You Were Here. 432 00:24:40,133 --> 00:24:44,724 And it laid out the case against Luc Gregoire. 433 00:24:45,863 --> 00:24:47,831 One of the points of the book 434 00:24:47,934 --> 00:24:49,488 was for people to respond to it 435 00:24:49,591 --> 00:24:51,559 and say, "You're right" or "You're wrong." 436 00:24:52,283 --> 00:24:56,115 The book comes out in the fall of 2020. 437 00:24:56,218 --> 00:25:00,499 You go fishing and you wait to see what you're gonna catch. 438 00:25:05,780 --> 00:25:09,231 After the book was published, it took a while, 439 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,200 but, eventually, people started to come forward 440 00:25:12,303 --> 00:25:13,960 with potential suspects. 441 00:25:14,443 --> 00:25:16,894 And in the fall of 2021, 442 00:25:16,998 --> 00:25:19,794 I received an email from a person 443 00:25:19,897 --> 00:25:23,004 living in the Eastern Townships and Sherbrooke 444 00:25:23,107 --> 00:25:25,316 who I will call Alex, 445 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,664 who wanted to report to me 446 00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:31,150 a deathbed confession by a relative 447 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,704 named Gerald Lachance. 448 00:25:33,911 --> 00:25:36,707 And it was about an episode 449 00:25:36,811 --> 00:25:39,365 where he was involved in the abduction 450 00:25:39,468 --> 00:25:41,574 and murder of a young woman 451 00:25:41,678 --> 00:25:45,164 in the fall of 1978. 452 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,513 So the story is this. 453 00:25:49,617 --> 00:25:52,447 Gerald Lachance was out joyriding 454 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:55,381 with his older brother, Regis Lachance 455 00:25:55,657 --> 00:25:58,764 and a third person who was described 456 00:25:58,867 --> 00:26:00,973 as younger in the driver's seat. 457 00:26:02,146 --> 00:26:04,390 And they picked up a young female hitchhiker 458 00:26:04,493 --> 00:26:09,257 in Lennoxville, Quebec where my sister was last seen. 459 00:26:10,638 --> 00:26:12,916 They proceeded to drive. 460 00:26:13,848 --> 00:26:15,539 Somewhere along the way, 461 00:26:15,643 --> 00:26:18,024 they pulled over at the side of the road, 462 00:26:18,128 --> 00:26:21,200 and Regis got out of the passenger seat 463 00:26:21,303 --> 00:26:24,755 and dragged the young woman out of the car 464 00:26:24,859 --> 00:26:26,274 down an embankment, 465 00:26:26,377 --> 00:26:29,139 and disappeared into the darkness in the night. 466 00:26:31,003 --> 00:26:32,867 After a period of time, 467 00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:36,456 Gerald gets out of the car to see what's happened. 468 00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:38,942 He walks down the embankment 469 00:26:39,045 --> 00:26:41,323 and discovers his older brother 470 00:26:41,427 --> 00:26:44,741 holding the hitchhiker underwater 471 00:26:44,844 --> 00:26:47,502 as if to drown or choke them. 472 00:26:47,813 --> 00:26:49,159 He says, "What's going on?" 473 00:26:49,262 --> 00:26:52,749 Regis bursts out and says, "Get back in the car." 474 00:26:53,715 --> 00:26:55,786 And they drive off in the night, 475 00:26:55,890 --> 00:27:00,895 leaving this young female victim dead or near death. 476 00:27:03,173 --> 00:27:05,900 The description of the event eerily matched 477 00:27:06,003 --> 00:27:08,316 what could've happened to my sister, Theresa. 478 00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:13,804 Alex said, also, that the older brother, Regis, 479 00:27:13,908 --> 00:27:16,358 was already deceased by this point. 480 00:27:16,704 --> 00:27:18,706 And that not only was he responsible 481 00:27:18,809 --> 00:27:20,846 for other crimes in the area, 482 00:27:20,949 --> 00:27:23,469 he may have been responsible for other murders. 483 00:27:23,572 --> 00:27:28,267 Alex cited the '77 murder of Louise Camirand. 484 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:34,445 They cited the murder of Carole Fecteau in 1978. 485 00:27:35,136 --> 00:27:36,896 They also mentioned that the police 486 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,795 possibly knew of him 487 00:27:38,898 --> 00:27:41,487 and that he was a protected member 488 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:43,523 of organized crime. 489 00:27:44,179 --> 00:27:48,287 Protected means he was a police informant, 490 00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:52,601 meaning the lead suspect in your sister's murder 491 00:27:52,705 --> 00:27:55,121 is protected by the police. 492 00:27:55,535 --> 00:27:58,159 It is, "Holy [bleep]." 493 00:28:00,471 --> 00:28:02,335 Takes your breath away, yeah. 494 00:28:06,029 --> 00:28:08,859 I wanna introduce a piece of evidence here, 495 00:28:08,963 --> 00:28:11,103 the red wallet, belonging to my sister 496 00:28:11,206 --> 00:28:14,554 which she had in her possession the day she died. 497 00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:17,799 The moment that Regis Lachance 498 00:28:17,903 --> 00:28:19,767 was profiled as a suspect, 499 00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:21,078 there was this realization 500 00:28:21,182 --> 00:28:25,634 that the wallet may hold a DNA sample 501 00:28:25,738 --> 00:28:28,845 that would match Regis Lachance. 502 00:28:29,569 --> 00:28:33,608 And I took the wallet and the Lachance DNA swab 503 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,231 to a local lab. 504 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,372 They test them and what came back 505 00:28:39,476 --> 00:28:42,375 is frustratingly the worst possible result. 506 00:28:42,479 --> 00:28:44,412 It was inconclusive. 507 00:28:44,757 --> 00:28:47,691 The wallet contained male DNA. 508 00:28:47,795 --> 00:28:49,417 We didn't know who it belonged to. 509 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:54,111 That was disappointing, very frustrating, 510 00:28:54,215 --> 00:28:58,357 another dead end in so many dead ends. 511 00:28:58,460 --> 00:29:02,948 But you pick up and you try something else. 512 00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:11,922 I don't go there. 513 00:29:12,026 --> 00:29:13,544 I can't go there. 514 00:29:13,648 --> 00:29:15,719 The idea of holding the wallet 515 00:29:15,823 --> 00:29:19,896 and it holding some powerful connection 516 00:29:19,999 --> 00:29:21,380 with Theresa, 517 00:29:21,483 --> 00:29:23,313 all of that is true. 518 00:29:23,416 --> 00:29:27,662 But none of that is very useful to me 519 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:28,905 as an investigator 520 00:29:29,008 --> 00:29:33,357 because you're trying not to mourn the victim. 521 00:29:33,461 --> 00:29:35,843 You're trying to solve their murder. 522 00:29:42,711 --> 00:29:44,817 So now I wanna go to Canada 523 00:29:44,921 --> 00:29:46,681 for the specific purpose 524 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,408 of finding even more supporting evidence 525 00:29:49,511 --> 00:29:52,135 that is compelling to say 526 00:29:52,238 --> 00:29:55,207 that this is the right suspect, Regis Lachance. 527 00:30:05,493 --> 00:30:11,464 [music] 528 00:30:29,724 --> 00:30:31,968 [Andre] It's gonna be hard to say what I wanna say. 529 00:30:32,071 --> 00:30:34,039 It's really gonna be hard. 530 00:30:39,596 --> 00:30:41,598 I don't know if I can do it. 531 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,641 [bleep] 532 00:30:53,334 --> 00:30:56,993 March 30th was a devastating day. 533 00:30:57,096 --> 00:31:00,928 My phone rang and it was a state trooper. 534 00:31:03,551 --> 00:31:06,830 "John has been involved in an accident." 535 00:31:07,417 --> 00:31:10,869 "Okay, what kind of an accident has John been involved in?" 536 00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:12,525 There's silence. 537 00:31:12,629 --> 00:31:15,356 "Where is John? Is he in the hospital?" 538 00:31:17,358 --> 00:31:19,256 "No, he died in the accident. 539 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,225 He was struck by a car on his bike." 540 00:31:28,231 --> 00:31:29,749 I broke down and cried. 541 00:31:29,853 --> 00:31:31,441 I couldn't talk to him anymore. 542 00:31:31,544 --> 00:31:33,892 I had to hand the phone to my wife. 543 00:31:35,134 --> 00:31:38,172 We just couldn't believe it, that this had happened. 544 00:31:51,426 --> 00:31:55,879 Both John and Theresa died tragic deaths. 545 00:31:56,569 --> 00:31:58,709 It's really difficult to deal with, 546 00:31:58,813 --> 00:32:02,403 to get your head around. Why? 547 00:32:03,335 --> 00:32:06,614 What did we do wrong to deserve something like this? 548 00:32:08,788 --> 00:32:10,549 Where do you go from here? 549 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:13,586 Where do you go from here? 550 00:32:26,461 --> 00:32:29,499 John has done so much on his own 551 00:32:29,602 --> 00:32:32,916 over the last 35 years 552 00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,298 with all of this investigative work. 553 00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:37,783 This case continues forward 554 00:32:37,886 --> 00:32:41,511 even without John being here. 555 00:32:42,443 --> 00:32:43,754 And I think that's very important 556 00:32:43,858 --> 00:32:45,239 to continue to do. 557 00:32:50,106 --> 00:32:53,005 [John] There is a journalist, Nicolas Bérubé, 558 00:32:53,109 --> 00:32:54,903 who we're going to meet with in Montreal 559 00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:58,977 and discuss the potential of publishing a new article. 560 00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:03,947 When I learned that John was killed riding his bike, 561 00:33:04,051 --> 00:33:05,535 doing what he loved, 562 00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:08,538 it was such a shock. 563 00:33:09,435 --> 00:33:11,023 Two days after his passing, 564 00:33:11,127 --> 00:33:13,094 he was supposed to fly to Montreal. 565 00:33:13,198 --> 00:33:15,131 We were supposed to meet 566 00:33:15,234 --> 00:33:19,411 and discuss the way the story could move forward. 567 00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:24,830 John learned that Gerald and Regis Lachance 568 00:33:24,933 --> 00:33:27,798 were two brothers who lived in the Sherbrooke area 569 00:33:27,902 --> 00:33:30,353 at the time Theresa was found. 570 00:33:31,975 --> 00:33:33,977 They were very violent men. 571 00:33:34,357 --> 00:33:36,876 John believed that Regis Lachance 572 00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:41,364 was the best candidate for being his sister's killer. 573 00:33:42,813 --> 00:33:44,470 We got this information 574 00:33:44,574 --> 00:33:48,164 through a deathbed confession from his brother. 575 00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:55,447 I think Theresa was hitchhiking from Lennoxville to Compton 576 00:33:55,550 --> 00:34:01,142 and she thought that she was going to get a ride 577 00:34:01,246 --> 00:34:03,386 back to the Compton residence. 578 00:34:03,489 --> 00:34:06,458 And she got in the car with the wrong people. 579 00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:14,949 It's a hard thing to really process in your head, 580 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:16,675 the way that she died. 581 00:34:18,401 --> 00:34:21,473 Probably 'cause, to a certain extent, I don't want to. 582 00:34:29,446 --> 00:34:31,517 [Nicolas] Prior to his death, John gave me 583 00:34:31,621 --> 00:34:34,106 the contact information of this person, 584 00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:36,971 the family member who got the deathbed confession. 585 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,904 And I contacted this family member, 586 00:34:39,007 --> 00:34:42,942 interviewed them to write a story about the confession. 587 00:34:43,391 --> 00:34:46,153 But a few days before the article was to publish, 588 00:34:46,256 --> 00:34:48,189 this family member contacted me 589 00:34:48,293 --> 00:34:50,571 and basically they had cold feet. 590 00:34:52,366 --> 00:34:56,473 If the story comes out, it might upset some people 591 00:34:56,577 --> 00:34:58,303 who are still alive today. 592 00:34:58,406 --> 00:35:01,168 Even if it's a story that happened many decades ago, 593 00:35:01,271 --> 00:35:03,860 they have people that could basically hurt you 594 00:35:03,963 --> 00:35:05,310 if you cross them, 595 00:35:05,413 --> 00:35:08,416 and so I decided with my editors 596 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,384 to not publish this story 597 00:35:10,487 --> 00:35:13,766 because it would put this person in danger. 598 00:35:15,458 --> 00:35:17,494 And I know John was upset about that. 599 00:35:17,598 --> 00:35:20,118 He was not happy but he understood. 600 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:22,810 I feel that my duty now 601 00:35:22,913 --> 00:35:26,641 is to publish his best theory that we have 602 00:35:26,917 --> 00:35:28,298 and to do it in a way 603 00:35:28,402 --> 00:35:31,819 that wouldn't jeopardize the safety of this person. 604 00:35:32,268 --> 00:35:35,478 And now I feel that it's upon me to do it. 605 00:35:45,729 --> 00:35:47,145 Hello, Mr. Nicolas. 606 00:35:47,248 --> 00:35:48,249 Hi, Stéphane, how are you? 607 00:35:48,353 --> 00:35:49,526 Pretty good. Yourself? Come on in. 608 00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:51,149 I'm good, I'm good, thank you. 609 00:35:51,528 --> 00:35:54,497 Stéphane Luce worked with John for many years. 610 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,119 He's met with that person 611 00:35:56,223 --> 00:35:58,017 who's part of the Lachance family 612 00:35:58,121 --> 00:36:00,123 and got a deathbed confession. 613 00:36:00,365 --> 00:36:02,263 What brought me and John together 614 00:36:02,367 --> 00:36:04,472 was the fact that I was seeking people 615 00:36:04,576 --> 00:36:08,269 that have lived the same thing that I lived. 616 00:36:09,201 --> 00:36:11,410 We both lost a loved one. 617 00:36:11,514 --> 00:36:14,172 He lost a sister and I lost my mother. 618 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,692 She was murdered back in 1981. 619 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:19,763 We became good friends. 620 00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:23,215 Once the first or second beer was taken, 621 00:36:23,319 --> 00:36:24,975 we would talk about cases 622 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:27,599 and it would last for a few hours. 623 00:36:28,151 --> 00:36:31,810 I'm writing this story around the idea 624 00:36:31,913 --> 00:36:35,986 that John had contact with Regis Lachance's family member. 625 00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:37,850 [Stéphane] I heard lots of things. 626 00:36:37,954 --> 00:36:42,303 The most interesting element was that Regis Lachance theory. 627 00:36:42,407 --> 00:36:43,822 There were three persons in the car. 628 00:36:45,617 --> 00:36:48,171 [Nicolas] I got the same story you had. 629 00:36:48,275 --> 00:36:51,070 Regis Lachance reportedly was in the back 630 00:36:51,174 --> 00:36:52,555 with Theresa 631 00:36:52,658 --> 00:36:56,110 and there was Gerald Lachance, Regis' brother. 632 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,043 And there was a third person 633 00:36:58,146 --> 00:37:01,426 who apparently was the driver. 634 00:37:02,944 --> 00:37:05,223 [Stéphane] That's what I wanted to talk about with John. 635 00:37:05,326 --> 00:37:09,019 Who's that third person? Who's that driver? 636 00:37:09,606 --> 00:37:11,608 And I said it to the police first 637 00:37:11,712 --> 00:37:14,577 and I don't think they took me seriously. 638 00:37:15,474 --> 00:37:17,752 Finding out who that person is 639 00:37:17,856 --> 00:37:19,927 I think would be the key to the answer 640 00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:21,756 of this investigation. 641 00:37:26,658 --> 00:37:31,697 [music] 642 00:37:31,801 --> 00:37:37,151 The point to all of this is there is still the potential 643 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:41,120 that the young man who was driving the car that night 644 00:37:41,224 --> 00:37:42,432 is still alive 645 00:37:42,536 --> 00:37:45,608 and therefore is a potential witness 646 00:37:45,711 --> 00:37:48,404 to the murder of my sister. 647 00:37:51,545 --> 00:37:55,031 The driver, that person might still be alive today. 648 00:37:55,134 --> 00:37:58,552 What sense do you have of who that person might be? 649 00:37:58,655 --> 00:38:00,795 It must be somebody very, very close 650 00:38:00,899 --> 00:38:03,591 to the Lachances, most probably a friend 651 00:38:03,695 --> 00:38:05,973 or maybe someone part of the family. 652 00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:07,699 [John] At one point, I was corresponding 653 00:38:07,802 --> 00:38:11,427 with a defense attorney who had worked in that area, 654 00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:13,532 and he had told me about a case 655 00:38:13,636 --> 00:38:15,707 that he had worked on 656 00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:18,537 that had been really screwed up 657 00:38:18,641 --> 00:38:23,197 as consequence to the police's actions 658 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:25,855 and, in particularly, the testimony 659 00:38:25,958 --> 00:38:27,443 of a police informant. 660 00:38:27,546 --> 00:38:29,928 The police informant's name was Regis Lachance 661 00:38:31,481 --> 00:38:36,175 We were shocked because, did that status protect him 662 00:38:36,279 --> 00:38:37,970 from scrutiny? 663 00:38:38,557 --> 00:38:40,766 Did the investigators have an incentive 664 00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:44,701 to do dig in too deep into who killed Theresa? 665 00:38:52,088 --> 00:38:54,780 Did they explore every avenue 666 00:38:54,884 --> 00:38:58,646 or it was more convenient not to do that? 667 00:38:58,750 --> 00:38:59,923 Did they ask 668 00:39:00,786 --> 00:39:03,479 and they didn't like the answer they were given? 669 00:39:09,139 --> 00:39:11,556 This article can keep the ball rolling. 670 00:39:11,659 --> 00:39:13,523 - True. - Maybe a person 671 00:39:13,627 --> 00:39:15,353 who was afraid to talk 672 00:39:15,456 --> 00:39:17,838 40 years ago or even 20 years ago, 673 00:39:17,941 --> 00:39:20,599 maybe now they have something they wanna get off their chest. 674 00:39:20,703 --> 00:39:24,223 Yeah, exactly. At least answers will be given to the family. 675 00:39:24,327 --> 00:39:26,640 You know? I mean, John's parents 676 00:39:26,743 --> 00:39:30,816 and then John's brother still need answers. 677 00:39:31,507 --> 00:39:33,405 [Nicolas] If that person is still alive today, 678 00:39:33,509 --> 00:39:36,270 the hope was that they can come forward 679 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,341 and they can be contacted by the police 680 00:39:38,445 --> 00:39:40,619 or it was at least a possibility 681 00:39:40,723 --> 00:39:43,208 that they could help solve this. 682 00:39:43,864 --> 00:39:46,763 Well, I hope that someone will come forward 683 00:39:46,867 --> 00:39:49,973 and say what happened that night. 684 00:39:50,077 --> 00:39:54,184 I count on that article to get more answers. 685 00:40:01,088 --> 00:40:03,297 [Andre] John's legacy is, of course, 686 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:06,058 the investigation work that he's done 687 00:40:06,162 --> 00:40:08,371 around my sister's death. 688 00:40:08,475 --> 00:40:12,030 He worked so hard on Theresa's case. 689 00:40:12,479 --> 00:40:14,101 It's also more than that. 690 00:40:14,204 --> 00:40:17,449 John had many different facets of his life. 691 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,451 He was a stage actor, 692 00:40:19,555 --> 00:40:22,350 budget director for the town of Durum. 693 00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:24,249 He was a family man. 694 00:40:24,352 --> 00:40:26,803 He loved his three daughters. 695 00:40:28,736 --> 00:40:33,120 I will definitely miss John. 696 00:40:43,095 --> 00:40:44,372 No. 697 00:40:44,718 --> 00:40:47,721 My daughter is gonna be so happy that you did. 698 00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:49,654 Whether it makes the final cut or not, 699 00:40:49,757 --> 00:40:50,862 she's just gonna be happy. 700 00:40:58,594 --> 00:41:01,251 I wish Theresa could've known my kids. 701 00:41:02,770 --> 00:41:05,463 I see so much of her in them, 702 00:41:05,566 --> 00:41:07,154 in all of them. 703 00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:12,573 That's really the problem when somebody dies. 704 00:41:12,918 --> 00:41:14,886 It's less about the tragedy 705 00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:17,820 that they didn't fulfill their life. 706 00:41:18,234 --> 00:41:20,719 Although, that is sorrowful. 707 00:41:20,823 --> 00:41:26,173 It's more about how they left you 708 00:41:26,553 --> 00:41:29,038 to fulfill your life without them. 709 00:41:30,695 --> 00:41:32,490 On a very real level, 710 00:41:32,593 --> 00:41:35,907 I never feel that I don't have my sister. 711 00:41:37,909 --> 00:41:40,152 Spiritually, or whatever you believe, 712 00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:43,777 their wisdom carries on and informs you, 713 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,918 or becomes your wisdom or your sixth sense. 714 00:41:48,402 --> 00:41:50,197 I'm not alone on this quest. 715 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,751 I'm not alone. I've never felt that way. 716 00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:55,547 All we do on this earth 717 00:41:55,996 --> 00:41:58,446 ultimately, is we move through space 718 00:41:58,550 --> 00:42:01,415 and it's just not the kick 719 00:42:01,933 --> 00:42:05,005 that it was, moving through space, without her. 720 00:42:05,108 --> 00:42:11,045 [music] 721 00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:34,241 [music] 722 00:42:57,644 --> 00:43:01,026 What happened to my mom wasn't suicide. 723 00:43:01,130 --> 00:43:04,133 On the next episode of "True Crime Story: 724 00:43:04,236 --> 00:43:05,755 Citizen Detective"... 725 00:43:05,859 --> 00:43:07,757 Woman: Her hand could not have been on the gun 726 00:43:07,861 --> 00:43:09,621 at the time it was fired. 727 00:43:09,725 --> 00:43:14,384 I thought I should go ahead and do some actual investigation. 728 00:43:14,488 --> 00:43:16,214 They just covered it up. 729 00:43:16,317 --> 00:43:19,182 I'm not the only one who believes that he killed her. 730 00:43:19,286 --> 00:43:21,737 "True Crime Story: Citizen Detective."