1 00:00:02,657 --> 00:00:07,524 [music] 2 00:00:07,628 --> 00:00:10,010 [Judy] I think of Ronnie every day. 3 00:00:10,872 --> 00:00:14,393 This was him, taken the day his son was born. 4 00:00:15,877 --> 00:00:17,672 He was 24 years old. 5 00:00:19,571 --> 00:00:21,918 I see things that remind me of him. 6 00:00:22,022 --> 00:00:23,540 I see his picture. 7 00:00:24,748 --> 00:00:26,405 I find pennies on the road 8 00:00:26,509 --> 00:00:28,407 and I say, "Oh, Ronnie was here" 9 00:00:28,511 --> 00:00:31,031 because he used to give me all his pennies. 10 00:00:31,652 --> 00:00:35,587 So I will dive under a table for a penny if I think it's... 11 00:00:35,690 --> 00:00:37,313 She really will. She would get hit by a car 12 00:00:37,416 --> 00:00:39,142 trying to get a damn penny, trust me. 13 00:00:39,246 --> 00:00:41,248 And because it's a penny from heaven. 14 00:00:42,352 --> 00:00:44,044 And I know that sounds crazy 15 00:00:44,147 --> 00:00:46,218 and people might look at me like it's crazy, 16 00:00:46,322 --> 00:00:48,324 but it's my healing. 17 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:51,189 He's with me all the time. 18 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:55,434 I know I lost my son, 19 00:00:55,538 --> 00:01:00,646 but never once would anyone come forward and tell the truth. 20 00:01:00,957 --> 00:01:03,132 It had to be drug out of them. 21 00:01:03,235 --> 00:01:05,341 We had to connect the dots. 22 00:01:06,031 --> 00:01:13,349 [music] 23 00:01:15,178 --> 00:01:21,253 [music] 24 00:01:21,357 --> 00:01:23,186 Are those koi still alive or are they... 25 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:25,499 Yeah, well, I don't know about the alive part, 26 00:01:25,602 --> 00:01:28,778 but this summer, I'm gonna build a cover for this 27 00:01:28,881 --> 00:01:31,608 that is raccoon-proof. 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,887 [Judy] My name is Judy Weaver. 29 00:01:34,991 --> 00:01:37,373 I'm from Orlando, Florida. 30 00:01:38,477 --> 00:01:41,722 Nowadays, it's amusement parks, 31 00:01:42,136 --> 00:01:45,139 but we were here before Disney, 32 00:01:45,243 --> 00:01:47,452 when it was really nice. 33 00:01:48,556 --> 00:01:51,076 And it was very quaint, quiet. 34 00:01:51,180 --> 00:01:53,043 Neighbors helped neighbors. 35 00:01:53,147 --> 00:01:56,081 We took walks and fed the ducks. 36 00:01:56,185 --> 00:01:58,532 And I like cars, 37 00:01:58,635 --> 00:02:01,190 so I taught the kids how to change a tire, 38 00:02:01,293 --> 00:02:03,157 how to change the oil, 39 00:02:03,261 --> 00:02:04,503 and just everything. 40 00:02:05,021 --> 00:02:08,024 [Deborah] My mom Judy is tenacious, that's for sure. 41 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:10,578 She is like a dog with a bone at times. 42 00:02:10,682 --> 00:02:13,202 And I think I got that straight from her. 43 00:02:15,756 --> 00:02:16,998 I'm Deborah Murray. 44 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:18,931 I'm the oldest, 45 00:02:19,035 --> 00:02:20,933 and then Ronnie was under me about five and a half years. 46 00:02:21,037 --> 00:02:24,834 And then our sister was about 11 years younger than me. 47 00:02:24,937 --> 00:02:26,318 They were total opposite 48 00:02:26,422 --> 00:02:28,562 as far as the energy went. 49 00:02:28,941 --> 00:02:31,979 Tammy was very loving and affectionate. 50 00:02:32,393 --> 00:02:34,844 Debbie could get a book, and sit, 51 00:02:34,947 --> 00:02:36,535 and read for hours, 52 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,848 and Ronnie had to tear up things. 53 00:02:39,918 --> 00:02:40,850 [Deborah] You walk in a room 54 00:02:40,953 --> 00:02:43,301 and he'd have a fan pulled completely apart. 55 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,719 He was always curious about how things worked. 56 00:02:48,098 --> 00:02:51,240 So I didn't want him using my things. 57 00:02:51,343 --> 00:02:53,207 So I ran him off a lot. 58 00:02:53,483 --> 00:02:55,140 [Judy] He was a handful. 59 00:02:55,244 --> 00:02:57,487 But he was a joy. 60 00:02:57,591 --> 00:03:00,249 He always wanted to be the peacemaker. 61 00:03:00,352 --> 00:03:02,285 He never wanted to disappoint. 62 00:03:02,389 --> 00:03:04,667 He always wanted me to be proud of him. 63 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:11,052 Back in 2005, 64 00:03:11,536 --> 00:03:14,366 Ronnie ended up coming to live with me. 65 00:03:14,470 --> 00:03:17,611 He started having trouble with his personal life. 66 00:03:18,474 --> 00:03:21,166 He became an addict. 67 00:03:21,615 --> 00:03:24,445 And he was ashamed of what he was doing. 68 00:03:25,584 --> 00:03:28,346 [Deborah] He was battling drugs. 69 00:03:29,347 --> 00:03:31,763 Ronnie had interactions with people 70 00:03:31,866 --> 00:03:33,316 living in that community 71 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:35,560 that were dealing in drugs. 72 00:03:36,975 --> 00:03:39,357 A not so great situation. 73 00:03:43,153 --> 00:03:45,397 [Judy] And on June 27th, 74 00:03:45,984 --> 00:03:48,676 Ronnie wanted to go to the store to get a pack of cigarettes. 75 00:03:48,987 --> 00:03:51,231 His car was in front of my car. 76 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:55,649 So he used his bicycle to go down to the store. 77 00:03:56,891 --> 00:03:58,755 It had started raining. 78 00:03:59,308 --> 00:04:00,930 I didn't want him to leave. 79 00:04:01,033 --> 00:04:04,865 I could feel something wasn't gonna go right. 80 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:09,421 And he's so, "Mom, don't get paranoid." 81 00:04:09,525 --> 00:04:11,975 He says, "I'll be back in 10 minutes." 82 00:04:12,528 --> 00:04:15,082 He kissed me on my left cheek and told me he loved me, 83 00:04:15,185 --> 00:04:17,533 and I'll always remember that 84 00:04:17,636 --> 00:04:20,260 that's what I heard out of his mouth. 85 00:04:22,538 --> 00:04:24,954 I think most people aren't blessed to have that 86 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:26,887 when they lose their loved ones. 87 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,133 Ten, fifteen minutes later, 88 00:04:32,237 --> 00:04:34,308 I was in the shower and I heard 89 00:04:34,412 --> 00:04:36,724 my daughter, Tammy, come home from work. 90 00:04:36,828 --> 00:04:40,487 She came and said there's sirens pretty close to the house. 91 00:04:40,797 --> 00:04:44,698 And I jumped out of the shower and called Ronnie. 92 00:04:44,801 --> 00:04:46,527 He didn't answer the phone. 93 00:04:52,809 --> 00:04:55,502 Got in the van and went looking for him. 94 00:04:59,022 --> 00:05:01,646 [Deborah] I was home, getting ready for bed, 95 00:05:01,749 --> 00:05:03,233 and my mom called and said 96 00:05:03,337 --> 00:05:05,063 there had been an accident. 97 00:05:05,512 --> 00:05:07,721 And she was on the scene. 98 00:05:09,032 --> 00:05:12,242 I found all the commotion where the police department was 99 00:05:12,346 --> 00:05:13,899 and where the fire department was. 100 00:05:14,003 --> 00:05:17,040 And you see the paramedics all out 101 00:05:17,144 --> 00:05:19,422 and the people standing around. 102 00:05:19,526 --> 00:05:21,390 They were some of the shady people 103 00:05:21,493 --> 00:05:22,839 in the neighborhood. 104 00:05:23,392 --> 00:05:25,635 I could see them whispering things. 105 00:05:25,739 --> 00:05:27,499 It was like a nightmare. 106 00:05:27,844 --> 00:05:30,675 I pulled in and an old man says 107 00:05:30,778 --> 00:05:33,609 it's a young man down the road. 108 00:05:35,162 --> 00:05:36,853 And he looked at me and he says, 109 00:05:36,957 --> 00:05:38,924 "Oh, it's your son. 110 00:05:39,028 --> 00:05:40,478 It's Ronnie." 111 00:05:41,133 --> 00:05:43,481 The paramedics were trying to hook him up 112 00:05:43,584 --> 00:05:45,828 on the stretcher and everything. 113 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:48,037 And that's when I found him. 114 00:05:51,005 --> 00:05:53,180 [Deborah] When my mom came upon the scene, 115 00:05:53,283 --> 00:05:56,632 it was just like something you wish you could unsee. 116 00:05:56,977 --> 00:05:59,082 There was blood all over the place 117 00:05:59,186 --> 00:06:02,362 and Ronnie was in an unconscious state. 118 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:07,884 We were being fed a little bit of information here and there 119 00:06:07,988 --> 00:06:10,093 from some of the people watching. 120 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:11,819 What they said happened that night 121 00:06:11,923 --> 00:06:15,029 was that Ronnie just simply fell off a bike 122 00:06:15,133 --> 00:06:17,169 and hit his head on a curb. 123 00:06:20,207 --> 00:06:23,244 [Judy] This is where Ronnie was supposed to have been hurt. 124 00:06:23,486 --> 00:06:26,386 As you can see, still, there are no curbs. 125 00:06:26,489 --> 00:06:27,663 [Deborah] There's still no curbs. 126 00:06:27,766 --> 00:06:28,974 So there's still no curbs here. 127 00:06:29,078 --> 00:06:31,736 [Deborah] No curbs up there. They don't exist. 128 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,014 [Judy] Everything was telling me, "This isn't right. 129 00:06:34,117 --> 00:06:35,291 Something's not right." 130 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:37,776 I'd started observing everything. 131 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,814 Well, he fell on a bike that's not there. 132 00:06:40,917 --> 00:06:43,575 "Where's the bike? Where did he fall?" 133 00:06:43,679 --> 00:06:45,163 "He hit a curb." 134 00:06:45,266 --> 00:06:46,613 "There's no curb. 135 00:06:46,716 --> 00:06:48,511 Where'd he hit the curb?" 136 00:06:49,063 --> 00:06:51,618 When they're getting Ronnie on the stretcher, 137 00:06:51,721 --> 00:06:55,725 I'm seeing him, now, his pockets are inside out. 138 00:06:55,829 --> 00:06:57,486 And they said there was nothing else. 139 00:06:57,589 --> 00:06:59,867 He had nothing else on him. 140 00:06:59,971 --> 00:07:02,560 I know he had a wallet when he left. 141 00:07:02,663 --> 00:07:05,252 I know he had money when he left. 142 00:07:05,355 --> 00:07:07,323 I wanted to know how, if he hit a curb, 143 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:08,842 fell off his bike, 144 00:07:08,945 --> 00:07:11,638 how did the pockets come inside out of his pants? 145 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:14,054 Nobody had an answer for that. 146 00:07:15,124 --> 00:07:18,472 I saw one police officer in a car. 147 00:07:18,576 --> 00:07:20,785 He did not come out and take names, 148 00:07:20,888 --> 00:07:24,236 didn't bring a clipboard out and ask any questions. 149 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:25,997 He was just sitting there. 150 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:30,104 It was raining. He didn't wanna get wet. 151 00:07:30,208 --> 00:07:32,382 EMTs told me his name was Spike. 152 00:07:32,486 --> 00:07:36,145 I said, "My God, who on Earth would name their name Spike?" 153 00:07:36,248 --> 00:07:40,045 I never got to talk to him because he left. 154 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:44,256 But my concern was then, was to be with my son. 155 00:07:44,843 --> 00:07:47,087 We will find out the answers later. 156 00:07:51,125 --> 00:07:52,644 [Deborah] When we arrived to the hospital, 157 00:07:52,748 --> 00:07:55,267 I asked that we'd be able to see Ronnie. 158 00:07:55,854 --> 00:07:57,960 We went back into trauma to see him. 159 00:07:58,063 --> 00:07:59,030 That was awful, 160 00:07:59,133 --> 00:08:01,135 and I wish I could take that away. 161 00:08:01,584 --> 00:08:03,862 There was severe brain trauma. 162 00:08:03,966 --> 00:08:06,624 There was brain swelling. 163 00:08:07,383 --> 00:08:10,904 And the doctor that was going to be doing his brain surgery 164 00:08:11,007 --> 00:08:15,391 was explaining the two areas of injury to his head, 165 00:08:15,702 --> 00:08:17,462 a temporal lobe injury 166 00:08:17,566 --> 00:08:20,292 and an injury to the back of the head. 167 00:08:20,396 --> 00:08:23,744 Made you wonder how in the world he hit his head twice, 168 00:08:23,848 --> 00:08:25,953 falling off the bicycle one time. 169 00:08:26,057 --> 00:08:28,369 So it's still not making any sense. 170 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,302 [Judy] I called the police. 171 00:08:30,406 --> 00:08:34,962 I asked them, "Why has no one come to check on my son? 172 00:08:35,066 --> 00:08:37,724 I have questions that I want answers for 173 00:08:37,827 --> 00:08:39,691 and nobody's willing to come." 174 00:08:40,071 --> 00:08:43,453 "Well, the officer said he took the report. 175 00:08:43,557 --> 00:08:46,249 "He seen it only as an accident. 176 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:48,976 "There was no foul play. 177 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,428 Just a bicycle accident." And that was it. 178 00:08:52,739 --> 00:08:54,775 No investigating needed. 179 00:09:05,130 --> 00:09:08,237 Even though the story was he had fallen on his bike, 180 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:09,790 the bike had disappeared. 181 00:09:09,894 --> 00:09:13,932 I threatened to call and have it reported as stolen. 182 00:09:14,036 --> 00:09:16,625 Shortly after that, the bike did appear. 183 00:09:17,073 --> 00:09:19,351 At some point, someone had brought the bike up 184 00:09:19,455 --> 00:09:21,733 to her front porch. 185 00:09:22,113 --> 00:09:24,322 Somebody rolled up in the middle of the night 186 00:09:24,425 --> 00:09:25,634 when we were asleep. 187 00:09:25,944 --> 00:09:29,051 As you can see, there are no scratches on the bike. 188 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:30,742 I've never washed it or anything, 189 00:09:30,846 --> 00:09:32,986 just put air in the tire. 190 00:09:33,745 --> 00:09:37,162 There was no damage to the bicycle at all. 191 00:09:37,818 --> 00:09:40,338 [Judy] Nothing had happened on that bicycle. 192 00:09:40,441 --> 00:09:43,859 Everything was like it was when Ronnie rode off on it. 193 00:09:44,342 --> 00:09:48,760 That was my first evidence that something else had happened. 194 00:09:48,864 --> 00:09:51,970 He was not on this bike when he got hurt. 195 00:09:52,074 --> 00:09:55,077 It was not the cause of his death. 196 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:59,806 "Oh, well, sorry it happened, but it was just an accident." 197 00:09:59,909 --> 00:10:01,635 That's what I was getting. 198 00:10:01,842 --> 00:10:03,568 No one was going to help us. 199 00:10:03,672 --> 00:10:06,295 I couldn't buy into that. 200 00:10:06,709 --> 00:10:09,747 It was up to us to go and investigate it. 201 00:10:09,850 --> 00:10:12,819 You're not gonna take me out of the equation. 202 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,035 [music] [birds chirping] 203 00:10:22,138 --> 00:10:23,312 [Deborah] It doesn't appear there was 204 00:10:23,415 --> 00:10:26,487 any type of investigation done at the scene. 205 00:10:26,591 --> 00:10:30,837 There were no police sent or dispatched to the hospital. 206 00:10:31,113 --> 00:10:33,425 It was just determined very quickly 207 00:10:33,529 --> 00:10:35,842 it was a bicycle fall. 208 00:10:38,016 --> 00:10:40,570 And that may have been misconstrued 209 00:10:40,881 --> 00:10:42,987 because the sheet I actually got a copy of 210 00:10:43,090 --> 00:10:46,059 shows "motorcycle accident." 211 00:10:46,784 --> 00:10:49,165 When the police arrived, there was no motorcycle 212 00:10:49,269 --> 00:10:50,408 and there was no bike. 213 00:10:50,511 --> 00:10:55,206 Whatever it was, it was minutes that it was looked into. 214 00:10:58,347 --> 00:11:01,453 Ronnie was laid up at the hospital in a coma. 215 00:11:02,075 --> 00:11:04,525 I think it was immediate to investigate 216 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:06,424 because it didn't make sense. 217 00:11:06,873 --> 00:11:08,806 We tried to research who was who, 218 00:11:08,909 --> 00:11:10,359 what their criminal record looked like, 219 00:11:10,462 --> 00:11:12,154 what the activity was going on down there 220 00:11:12,257 --> 00:11:13,673 at the duplex. 221 00:11:15,985 --> 00:11:17,366 I didn't know what I was doing. 222 00:11:17,469 --> 00:11:18,781 My mom didn't know what she was doing. 223 00:11:18,885 --> 00:11:20,369 We just were going with the flow. 224 00:11:23,406 --> 00:11:25,305 [motor vehicle roaring] 225 00:11:25,408 --> 00:11:28,515 Now, if I had my Firebird, we'd be sounding like that 226 00:11:28,618 --> 00:11:30,897 'cause it's got a Formula 5.0 in it. 227 00:11:31,829 --> 00:11:33,623 It's getting a paint job. 228 00:11:34,072 --> 00:11:35,384 Yeah, this is a little six-banger, 229 00:11:35,487 --> 00:11:38,767 but, hey, it does the job. What can I say? 230 00:11:39,526 --> 00:11:45,014 [music] 231 00:11:45,118 --> 00:11:47,707 [Deborah] We didn't have to go far to investigate. 232 00:11:47,810 --> 00:11:49,985 The duplex was right up from my mom's house. 233 00:11:50,088 --> 00:11:51,503 We could just drive by there. 234 00:11:53,505 --> 00:11:55,266 I started going that way then 235 00:11:55,369 --> 00:11:57,475 because I wanted to see who was around 236 00:11:57,578 --> 00:11:58,510 and who wasn't. 237 00:12:00,236 --> 00:12:04,102 This is the main house here where my son was hurt. 238 00:12:05,241 --> 00:12:07,036 [Deborah] We spoke to many people. 239 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:09,349 We found out the place was a drug house 240 00:12:09,452 --> 00:12:11,144 that sold everything. 241 00:12:11,972 --> 00:12:14,216 [Deborah] Then we were realizing some of the people 242 00:12:14,319 --> 00:12:17,702 that were witnesses that evening lived there, 243 00:12:17,806 --> 00:12:19,773 and the police took the word 244 00:12:19,877 --> 00:12:21,533 for what they said happened that night 245 00:12:21,637 --> 00:12:22,949 and left it alone. 246 00:12:24,882 --> 00:12:26,746 And I file a complaint 247 00:12:26,849 --> 00:12:28,368 with the Orange County Sheriff's Department 248 00:12:28,471 --> 00:12:29,990 at that point 249 00:12:30,094 --> 00:12:33,960 and received phone calls regarding my complaint letter. 250 00:12:34,305 --> 00:12:37,032 It was a detective, and he said Ronnie was at a house 251 00:12:37,135 --> 00:12:38,965 that was well known for drugs, 252 00:12:39,068 --> 00:12:42,900 so he might not have been an innocent victim in this, 253 00:12:43,348 --> 00:12:47,283 and there were far more imperative cases than Ronnie's 254 00:12:47,387 --> 00:12:48,906 to check into. 255 00:12:51,909 --> 00:12:54,221 [Judy] There shouldn't be a line drawn 256 00:12:54,325 --> 00:12:56,465 because you're this or you're that. 257 00:12:57,569 --> 00:12:59,468 That's not acceptable. 258 00:13:00,055 --> 00:13:02,643 There is loved ones that care for those people. 259 00:13:02,747 --> 00:13:07,787 Anyone that gets hurt, there's somebody that loves them. 260 00:13:08,201 --> 00:13:10,686 And they want the right thing done for them 261 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:13,033 just like they would for anyone else. 262 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:18,521 [music] 263 00:13:18,625 --> 00:13:22,836 I knew Ronnie was unconscious and he may not make it. 264 00:13:23,561 --> 00:13:26,288 So I need to find out from the streets 265 00:13:26,391 --> 00:13:27,668 what's been told. 266 00:13:28,014 --> 00:13:30,085 When the police brush you off, 267 00:13:30,188 --> 00:13:31,811 they brush you off at the scene 268 00:13:31,914 --> 00:13:33,398 and they brush you off on the phone, 269 00:13:33,502 --> 00:13:35,607 then, yeah, you take it to the streets, 270 00:13:35,711 --> 00:13:38,887 because the streets are the ones that have the answers. 271 00:13:40,302 --> 00:13:42,614 [Deborah] She would talk to everybody, 272 00:13:42,718 --> 00:13:44,824 but it was never different 273 00:13:44,927 --> 00:13:47,481 than the falling-off-the-bike story. 274 00:13:48,034 --> 00:13:49,967 You have an entire duplex community 275 00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:52,901 that potentially saw what happened, 276 00:13:53,004 --> 00:13:55,627 but they weren't open to sharing that information. 277 00:13:56,145 --> 00:13:58,768 Felt like they were hiding from something that happened. 278 00:13:58,872 --> 00:14:00,943 Just didn't make a lot of sense. 279 00:14:01,702 --> 00:14:05,016 [Judy] They said that Ronnie was horsing around with the bike, 280 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,260 and he popped a wheelie and hit the curb, 281 00:14:07,363 --> 00:14:10,021 and he curb threw him down on the ground. 282 00:14:10,435 --> 00:14:13,473 He did used to do that when he was a teenager, 283 00:14:13,576 --> 00:14:15,509 but not as a grown man. 284 00:14:15,924 --> 00:14:17,615 And the only reason he rode the bike 285 00:14:17,718 --> 00:14:19,859 was to get to the store and back. 286 00:14:20,307 --> 00:14:22,551 He didn't go in the rainstorm 287 00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:24,518 with a bike to pop a wheelie. 288 00:14:27,970 --> 00:14:31,284 During the time that Ronnie was on life support, 289 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,735 we would visit the hospital daily. 290 00:14:34,943 --> 00:14:37,014 It was primarily just spent 291 00:14:37,117 --> 00:14:39,361 talking to doctors, trying to find out 292 00:14:39,464 --> 00:14:41,052 the prognosis. 293 00:14:41,156 --> 00:14:44,573 There was discussions on what they could expect 294 00:14:44,676 --> 00:14:46,506 would happen with Ronnie. 295 00:14:47,058 --> 00:14:48,749 [Judy] He wasn't getting better. 296 00:14:49,095 --> 00:14:51,683 The fever wasn't going away in the brain 297 00:14:51,787 --> 00:14:54,031 and it kept killing cells. 298 00:14:54,134 --> 00:14:57,310 I said, "Well, will he ever recognize me?" 299 00:14:57,413 --> 00:14:59,968 "No." "Will he know who he is?" "No." 300 00:15:00,071 --> 00:15:02,177 Everything was no, no, no. 301 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,799 [Deborah] He was never gonna move again. 302 00:15:03,903 --> 00:15:04,938 He was never gonna have a thought. 303 00:15:05,042 --> 00:15:06,457 There was no brain left. 304 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,149 So at this point, you have to make a decision. 305 00:15:09,253 --> 00:15:14,465 Move him to long-term care or take his life support away. 306 00:15:15,604 --> 00:15:18,296 [monitor beeping] 307 00:15:27,478 --> 00:15:31,413 How do you end someone's life that you love so much? 308 00:15:31,516 --> 00:15:38,661 [music] 309 00:15:38,765 --> 00:15:40,215 But how do you look at somebody 310 00:15:40,318 --> 00:15:43,183 that you know was so full of life, 311 00:15:43,770 --> 00:15:48,602 just lay there and they're at everyone's mercy? 312 00:15:48,982 --> 00:15:51,053 How do you do that? 313 00:15:53,055 --> 00:15:54,746 It's not easy. 314 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:58,578 I could feel Ronnie begging me to let him go. 315 00:15:58,681 --> 00:16:00,131 I could feel him. 316 00:16:00,235 --> 00:16:02,823 And I know that I don't want that for myself, 317 00:16:02,927 --> 00:16:06,379 and I did not want that for my child. 318 00:16:07,552 --> 00:16:10,348 They did all the preparation they needed to do. 319 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:12,488 And when he passed, 320 00:16:12,592 --> 00:16:15,112 he died the minute that he was born. 321 00:16:15,215 --> 00:16:19,530 It was 8:00, same time in the same hospital. 322 00:16:22,533 --> 00:16:25,156 [Deborah] When the death certificate was issued, 323 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:28,953 it was listed as an accidental death. 324 00:16:29,264 --> 00:16:32,267 I really felt disappointed that this was it, 325 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:34,752 that this was all we were gonna get. 326 00:16:34,855 --> 00:16:36,754 The ball was dropped the night it happened. 327 00:16:36,857 --> 00:16:39,446 The ball was dropped when it went to the detective. 328 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:42,932 And it just kept on bouncing a few more times after that. 329 00:16:43,174 --> 00:16:44,796 It needs to be made right. 330 00:16:46,936 --> 00:16:50,250 [Judy] I needed to know what happened to my child. 331 00:16:51,044 --> 00:16:53,598 I needed to know for myself. 332 00:16:54,151 --> 00:16:56,774 I needed to get as much information as I could. 333 00:16:56,877 --> 00:17:00,536 And so, Debbie and I decided to go just tell the neighbors 334 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,540 that Ronnie is alive and he's talking. 335 00:17:05,334 --> 00:17:09,649 He's going to a rehab, and then they're gonna send him home. 336 00:17:09,959 --> 00:17:12,203 The people living in that duplex community 337 00:17:12,307 --> 00:17:14,826 did not know that he'd never woke up. 338 00:17:14,930 --> 00:17:17,243 They thought Ronnie was talking 339 00:17:17,346 --> 00:17:20,142 and Ronnie was telling a story, 340 00:17:20,246 --> 00:17:22,110 and it's not the story y'all are telling. 341 00:17:22,213 --> 00:17:23,697 It's a different story. 342 00:17:23,801 --> 00:17:26,735 She was stirring the pot, pressing them for the truth. 343 00:17:28,909 --> 00:17:32,258 The next day, there was a girl riding down the road 344 00:17:32,361 --> 00:17:36,193 and she was asking me, "How is your son doing?" 345 00:17:36,296 --> 00:17:41,301 And I recognized her from that night. 346 00:17:41,577 --> 00:17:43,786 I said, "Well, he's got a big headache." 347 00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:46,513 I said, "But he's sitting up, telling a different story. 348 00:17:46,617 --> 00:17:48,412 "He said it didn't go down like that. 349 00:17:48,515 --> 00:17:50,621 He never fell on his bike." 350 00:17:51,898 --> 00:17:53,865 She said, "Oh," and that was it. 351 00:17:53,969 --> 00:17:55,212 Next thing I know, 352 00:17:55,315 --> 00:17:57,697 I seen somebody walking toward my house. 353 00:18:00,976 --> 00:18:03,323 You can tell from his eyes, 354 00:18:03,737 --> 00:18:05,567 this guy wasn't right. 355 00:18:11,573 --> 00:18:13,195 [Judy] at my doorstepowed up 356 00:18:13,299 --> 00:18:14,990 introduced himself. 357 00:18:15,404 --> 00:18:17,130 He said he goes by Jay. 358 00:18:17,544 --> 00:18:19,857 I didn't believe what his name was 359 00:18:20,306 --> 00:18:23,171 because it seemed like he was fishing for what I knew. 360 00:18:23,826 --> 00:18:27,002 He thought Ronnie was up and telling his story. 361 00:18:27,382 --> 00:18:30,799 We didn't really know how he fit into this. 362 00:18:30,902 --> 00:18:32,145 We didn't know his angle. 363 00:18:32,249 --> 00:18:33,595 It just seemed like 364 00:18:33,698 --> 00:18:35,631 he was feeding information to distance himself 365 00:18:35,735 --> 00:18:38,531 from his involvement in what happened. 366 00:18:39,256 --> 00:18:41,672 [Judy] He said that Ronnie had a disagreement 367 00:18:41,775 --> 00:18:43,639 with another person 368 00:18:43,915 --> 00:18:46,125 over some money he owed him. 369 00:18:46,435 --> 00:18:48,265 And so he punched him. 370 00:18:48,955 --> 00:18:52,683 [Deborah] Jay introduced the whole he got hit part, 371 00:18:52,786 --> 00:18:56,445 which was different than the falling off the bike story. 372 00:18:56,549 --> 00:19:00,622 It went from popping wheelies to being hit. 373 00:19:01,070 --> 00:19:04,246 So it had already changed. 374 00:19:04,867 --> 00:19:06,662 [Judy] No, I didn't believe anything he said. 375 00:19:06,766 --> 00:19:10,563 I just told him, "Well, there was an investigation going." 376 00:19:11,426 --> 00:19:14,705 And he got real quiet. 377 00:19:15,223 --> 00:19:18,053 And then he was wanting us to see 378 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:21,539 that he had his concealed weapn permit. 379 00:19:21,988 --> 00:19:23,990 He pulled it out of his wallet 380 00:19:24,093 --> 00:19:26,130 and he addressed me with it. 381 00:19:26,613 --> 00:19:28,753 [Deborah] We didn't know why. 382 00:19:28,857 --> 00:19:31,377 We didn't know to take it as a threat. 383 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,793 Is it intimidation? 384 00:19:33,896 --> 00:19:34,966 We didn't know. 385 00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:36,520 [Judy] I stood there and I said, 386 00:19:36,623 --> 00:19:38,487 "Well, I'm not gonna shut up 387 00:19:38,591 --> 00:19:41,180 until I found out what happened to my son." 388 00:19:41,939 --> 00:19:43,837 And then he left. 389 00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:46,150 [Deborah] We were just very confused. 390 00:19:46,254 --> 00:19:48,221 Now there's an extra layer. 391 00:19:48,325 --> 00:19:52,018 This man we don't know came to the house 392 00:19:52,121 --> 00:19:54,193 possibly carrying a weapon. 393 00:19:54,296 --> 00:19:56,574 You have to be a little careful 394 00:19:56,678 --> 00:19:59,094 because we don't know his role. 395 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:00,613 We don't know him. 396 00:20:03,823 --> 00:20:06,446 [birds chirping] 397 00:20:08,172 --> 00:20:10,243 We didn't know his legal name. 398 00:20:10,830 --> 00:20:13,108 But we knew his nickname was Jay. 399 00:20:13,384 --> 00:20:15,317 So I did a search on 400 00:20:15,421 --> 00:20:17,492 the Orange County Clerk of the Courts. 401 00:20:17,595 --> 00:20:20,011 You could look for evictions, 402 00:20:20,115 --> 00:20:21,185 a criminal record. 403 00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:23,981 Even so much as a traffic citation, 404 00:20:24,084 --> 00:20:25,189 you would find record. 405 00:20:25,293 --> 00:20:26,570 You could see where their address was 406 00:20:26,673 --> 00:20:28,399 at the time that happened. 407 00:20:28,779 --> 00:20:31,609 I found an eviction that was issued 408 00:20:31,713 --> 00:20:34,543 to that address where Ronnie was hurt. 409 00:20:35,026 --> 00:20:37,926 I looked up a couple of the names on social media. 410 00:20:38,029 --> 00:20:40,239 And I found pictures of Jay. 411 00:20:40,791 --> 00:20:45,520 Then I found his girlfriend's details from that. 412 00:20:45,623 --> 00:20:48,212 I managed to get his first name. 413 00:20:48,592 --> 00:20:50,801 It ended up being that his name was Jason. 414 00:20:52,389 --> 00:20:55,357 Debbie discovered that his girlfriend's daughter 415 00:20:55,461 --> 00:20:58,878 went to the school down the street. 416 00:20:59,396 --> 00:21:01,225 I asked around. 417 00:21:01,329 --> 00:21:02,571 One of the people told me 418 00:21:02,675 --> 00:21:05,781 that it was Jason Gailey 419 00:21:05,885 --> 00:21:07,956 and he lived in that neighborhood 420 00:21:08,059 --> 00:21:09,544 where Ronnie got hurt. 421 00:21:09,958 --> 00:21:11,925 That's probably the difference in our dynamics. 422 00:21:12,029 --> 00:21:13,444 Let's see. 423 00:21:13,548 --> 00:21:16,136 I was more the computer and paper trail gal, 424 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,139 and my mom, she would talk more 425 00:21:19,243 --> 00:21:21,038 and be able to glean more information 426 00:21:21,141 --> 00:21:22,626 from talking to people. 427 00:21:23,316 --> 00:21:26,975 I ended up talking to the guy that was Jason's mailman, 428 00:21:27,389 --> 00:21:30,806 trying to find out what information I could. 429 00:21:31,462 --> 00:21:34,465 Apparently, Jason's the drug boss in the duplex. 430 00:21:34,569 --> 00:21:37,157 He has a license to carry a concealed weapon. 431 00:21:37,503 --> 00:21:39,850 And he has a little bit of attitude. 432 00:21:39,953 --> 00:21:43,094 He was known for it, plain and simple. 433 00:21:44,199 --> 00:21:49,273 [music] [birds chirping] 434 00:21:49,377 --> 00:21:51,517 [Judy] These are Debbie's notes. 435 00:21:51,827 --> 00:21:54,209 She's more organized than me. 436 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:55,866 [chuckling] 437 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,560 This is his medical examiner. 438 00:22:00,871 --> 00:22:03,529 This is the original death certificate, 439 00:22:03,632 --> 00:22:06,152 and at this point, it said 440 00:22:06,255 --> 00:22:09,328 the manner of death was accident. 441 00:22:09,914 --> 00:22:13,815 I finally got ahold of someone at the coroner's department. 442 00:22:13,918 --> 00:22:18,060 And I asked could they please go back through 443 00:22:18,164 --> 00:22:21,892 the report and go back through his injuries 444 00:22:21,995 --> 00:22:24,204 that they found on him, 445 00:22:24,377 --> 00:22:25,827 and see if there was anything 446 00:22:25,930 --> 00:22:29,589 that could say he fell off a bike and hit his head. 447 00:22:30,176 --> 00:22:33,075 And they said there was no way humanly possible 448 00:22:33,179 --> 00:22:36,044 that the injuries that he had sustained to his head 449 00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:39,185 could come from falling off a 24-inch bike 450 00:22:39,288 --> 00:22:41,394 when you were 5'10". 451 00:22:41,774 --> 00:22:44,501 And it was something that had been inflicted on him. 452 00:22:52,301 --> 00:22:53,958 At about six months after all this, 453 00:22:54,062 --> 00:22:56,961 there is in here another death certificate 454 00:22:57,065 --> 00:22:59,343 for a homicide 455 00:22:59,447 --> 00:23:01,069 where it was changed to homicide 456 00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:04,383 because of their findings and their autopsy. 457 00:23:05,763 --> 00:23:09,042 Uh, let's see what else is in here. 458 00:23:12,011 --> 00:23:15,980 Mm, someone drew a picture of Uncle Ronnie. 459 00:23:16,084 --> 00:23:19,846 [chuckling] One of Deb's kids, I'm sure. [chuckling] 460 00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:24,403 And drew a halo over the top of his head. 461 00:23:28,855 --> 00:23:30,098 [Deborah] We worked really hard 462 00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,928 to change Ronnie's death certificate. 463 00:23:33,032 --> 00:23:35,586 Every day, you're faced with things you've never dealt with 464 00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:38,451 and didn't think you would ever have to deal with. 465 00:23:38,831 --> 00:23:41,143 But this was validation for Ronnie. 466 00:23:41,247 --> 00:23:42,731 He was a victim of a homicide 467 00:23:42,835 --> 00:23:46,804 and he had the right to have that known. 468 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:48,772 This point, they needed to hand this back 469 00:23:48,875 --> 00:23:50,429 to the detective in charge. 470 00:23:50,532 --> 00:23:53,259 And they needed to do their job. 471 00:23:53,362 --> 00:23:55,123 Well, nothing really happened. 472 00:23:56,124 --> 00:23:59,472 So I requested a copy of the 911 tape 473 00:23:59,576 --> 00:24:02,337 from the night of Ronnie's accident. 474 00:24:02,717 --> 00:24:03,890 We didn't know who made the call, 475 00:24:03,994 --> 00:24:05,927 but we knew, at that time, that it was somebody 476 00:24:06,030 --> 00:24:07,446 in the duplex community. 477 00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:11,588 And whoever it was, that call to 911, 478 00:24:11,691 --> 00:24:14,383 actually saw what happened. 479 00:24:14,487 --> 00:24:16,593 We needed to meet that person. 480 00:24:24,773 --> 00:24:26,913 I was coming home, so I figured, 481 00:24:27,017 --> 00:24:29,468 "Let me go down there and look around." 482 00:24:30,538 --> 00:24:32,643 There used to be a big dumpster light 483 00:24:32,747 --> 00:24:35,577 between all of these buildings when they were apartments. 484 00:24:35,681 --> 00:24:38,718 And I saw the supervisor 485 00:24:38,822 --> 00:24:41,687 that takes care of the land here. 486 00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:43,896 And I recognized him. 487 00:24:45,587 --> 00:24:47,900 So I started asking him questions. 488 00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:50,834 He was telling me that there was eyes and ears, 489 00:24:50,937 --> 00:24:54,216 and that I needed to stay home where I was safer, 490 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,633 and that he didn't know how safe I would be, 491 00:24:56,736 --> 00:24:59,981 asking the wrong people the wrong questions. 492 00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:05,469 That maintenance man, he knew a lot of the inside scoop 493 00:25:05,918 --> 00:25:09,231 on the drug dealer, Jason, aka Jay, 494 00:25:09,335 --> 00:25:12,131 because he had to go into the apartments 495 00:25:12,407 --> 00:25:14,167 and repair things. 496 00:25:15,479 --> 00:25:18,206 He saw that Jason had cameras 497 00:25:18,309 --> 00:25:22,210 right there between the alley and the duplex. 498 00:25:23,349 --> 00:25:25,662 Jason used to video everybody. 499 00:25:25,765 --> 00:25:27,664 That's how he did his drug dealing. 500 00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:30,252 He would know who pulled in that driveway. 501 00:25:30,598 --> 00:25:31,875 Didn't stop us still. 502 00:25:31,978 --> 00:25:33,635 We still came and got pictures. 503 00:25:33,739 --> 00:25:34,774 When it cool off some, 504 00:25:34,878 --> 00:25:36,327 they'd all be sitting on the walls 505 00:25:36,431 --> 00:25:37,812 of these two houses. 506 00:25:38,675 --> 00:25:39,710 [Deborah] There would be a lot of activity 507 00:25:39,814 --> 00:25:41,229 outside of the duplex. 508 00:25:41,332 --> 00:25:43,611 And I think once or twice, they even yelled at her 509 00:25:43,714 --> 00:25:44,957 'cause she was driving by, 510 00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:47,580 snapping pictures out of her car window. 511 00:25:48,132 --> 00:25:51,411 Did I do things that put my life in danger? Yes. 512 00:25:52,033 --> 00:25:53,862 But I wanted to find out the truth. 513 00:25:53,966 --> 00:25:55,761 And how are you gonna find out if they don't come to you? 514 00:25:55,864 --> 00:25:57,625 You gotta go to them. 515 00:26:02,077 --> 00:26:04,010 Eventually, the maintenance guy 516 00:26:04,114 --> 00:26:07,566 connected me with the name of the 911 caller, 517 00:26:08,152 --> 00:26:09,533 a guy named Mike. 518 00:26:09,844 --> 00:26:13,019 Mike had told him about the phone call. 519 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:16,471 His story was that Jason hit Ronnie 520 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:17,783 during a fight. 521 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:19,957 When Ronnie got hurt, 522 00:26:20,061 --> 00:26:23,271 Jason took him inside the apartment 523 00:26:23,892 --> 00:26:26,688 and they laid him in the living room on the floor. 524 00:26:27,102 --> 00:26:30,002 And they were cleaning him up. 525 00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:33,143 They weren't gonna even call the police. 526 00:26:33,661 --> 00:26:35,870 They weren't gonna call anybody. 527 00:26:36,871 --> 00:26:40,253 Jason threatened them, all of them. 528 00:26:40,357 --> 00:26:44,533 They were forbidden to call 911. 529 00:26:44,879 --> 00:26:46,639 But after Mike realized 530 00:26:46,743 --> 00:26:49,262 the seriousness of Ronnie's injuries, 531 00:26:49,366 --> 00:26:50,643 he felt bad. 532 00:26:50,747 --> 00:26:52,714 Mike went to a payphone 533 00:26:52,818 --> 00:26:55,648 that was on the backside of the duplexes, 534 00:26:55,752 --> 00:26:57,512 away from the cameras, 535 00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,860 and made the phone call from a payphone. 536 00:27:01,205 --> 00:27:04,346 [Deborah] Mike did ride the bike to the payphone 537 00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:06,003 to make the call. 538 00:27:06,107 --> 00:27:09,317 That's why there was no bike when the police showed up. 539 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,768 So, that, we could finally understand. 540 00:27:11,871 --> 00:27:15,185 [birds chirping] 541 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,810 [Deborah] Mike said that 542 00:27:19,914 --> 00:27:22,295 the emergency response team actually found Ronnie 543 00:27:22,399 --> 00:27:24,159 inside the duplex. 544 00:27:25,091 --> 00:27:27,646 He had been moved to a sofa. 545 00:27:28,819 --> 00:27:30,407 When the paramedics came, 546 00:27:30,510 --> 00:27:32,581 he was moved back out. 547 00:27:33,065 --> 00:27:36,793 They never asked why Ronnie was inside the duplex. 548 00:27:37,794 --> 00:27:39,209 When the police arrived, 549 00:27:39,312 --> 00:27:41,176 if someone had actually investigated that night, 550 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,799 that whole bicycle story 551 00:27:42,902 --> 00:27:44,663 would've been blown out of the water. 552 00:27:45,353 --> 00:27:46,734 But no one did. 553 00:27:49,633 --> 00:27:51,635 I called the state attorney's office 554 00:27:51,739 --> 00:27:54,569 and told him we had witness statements 555 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:59,022 that could link Jason to what happened to my son. 556 00:27:59,332 --> 00:28:02,404 And they're saying, "Oh, oh, wrong line." 557 00:28:02,508 --> 00:28:04,855 And they tried to bluff it out. 558 00:28:04,959 --> 00:28:07,064 So I was telling Debbie, "I can't get anywhere 559 00:28:07,168 --> 00:28:09,826 "because I'm considered a distraught mom, 560 00:28:09,929 --> 00:28:12,242 I'm crazy, I don't know what I'm talking about." 561 00:28:13,346 --> 00:28:16,039 Debbie kept all the information together. 562 00:28:16,142 --> 00:28:17,523 She figured, "Well, one day, 563 00:28:17,626 --> 00:28:19,628 we'll get someone that'll hear us." 564 00:28:19,939 --> 00:28:21,458 [Deborah] I had faxed information 565 00:28:21,561 --> 00:28:23,046 to the detective 566 00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:25,117 so that he could go further. 567 00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:28,223 Just mapped out the evidence we had 568 00:28:28,327 --> 00:28:31,019 and documented it into letter form. 569 00:28:31,571 --> 00:28:35,092 My mom and I provided him with a picture of Jason. 570 00:28:35,196 --> 00:28:37,923 And we told him that this was the person 571 00:28:38,026 --> 00:28:39,821 that we thought hit Ronnie. 572 00:28:39,925 --> 00:28:42,237 We gave him names and contact information 573 00:28:42,341 --> 00:28:45,309 for the witnesses my mom spoke to. 574 00:28:45,689 --> 00:28:48,105 We would see what information he would be able to get. 575 00:28:48,209 --> 00:28:50,314 Being a law enforcement official, 576 00:28:50,418 --> 00:28:52,731 I figured he'd be better at it than us. 577 00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:56,148 Six months later, 578 00:28:56,251 --> 00:28:58,426 I asked had they spoke to the individual 579 00:28:58,529 --> 00:29:00,462 that we believed hit Ronnie. 580 00:29:01,291 --> 00:29:04,881 There had never been any contact made with him at all. 581 00:29:06,883 --> 00:29:09,989 No, still, no one had ever spoke to him. 582 00:29:10,576 --> 00:29:11,784 Still. 583 00:29:11,888 --> 00:29:13,372 We reached a dead end. 584 00:29:13,475 --> 00:29:14,753 We don't know how to... 585 00:29:14,856 --> 00:29:17,134 What's the expression? Can't fight City Hall? 586 00:29:17,238 --> 00:29:19,861 We didn't know what else to do. 587 00:29:31,735 --> 00:29:33,806 [Judy] It had been seven years 588 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:35,601 since my son's death. 589 00:29:35,704 --> 00:29:37,603 The police weren't doing anything. 590 00:29:37,706 --> 00:29:39,881 It was a closed deal and that was it. 591 00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:43,298 I was working in a restaurant. 592 00:29:43,609 --> 00:29:46,405 And this police officer came in. 593 00:29:46,888 --> 00:29:49,442 And, of course, I didn't know who he was. 594 00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:51,513 [Paul] The night I met Judy Weaver, 595 00:29:51,617 --> 00:29:53,964 I decided to grab some food real quick. 596 00:29:54,068 --> 00:29:55,690 When I was there, eating my dinner, 597 00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:58,589 one of the employees who turned out to be Judy walked by 598 00:29:58,693 --> 00:30:00,281 and we struck up a conversation. 599 00:30:00,384 --> 00:30:03,249 He says, "Oh," he says, "How are you tonight?" 600 00:30:03,353 --> 00:30:05,804 And I said, "I'm good." And I said, "How are you?" 601 00:30:05,907 --> 00:30:08,151 And he says, "Oh, it's quiet." 602 00:30:08,496 --> 00:30:11,430 Says, "Never anything happening on a Monday night." 603 00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:14,329 Well, I said, "A lot of things happen on a Monday night. 604 00:30:14,433 --> 00:30:16,607 My son was killed on a Monday night 605 00:30:16,711 --> 00:30:17,988 in the pouring-down rain." 606 00:30:18,092 --> 00:30:20,611 I said, "So don't tell me nothing happens 607 00:30:20,715 --> 00:30:23,545 in Orlando on a Monday night." 608 00:30:24,063 --> 00:30:25,962 She started speaking about the case to me, 609 00:30:26,065 --> 00:30:27,515 and while I was talking to her, 610 00:30:27,618 --> 00:30:29,828 she explained to me about the displeasure 611 00:30:29,931 --> 00:30:32,175 of a sergeant by the name of Spike Hopkins 612 00:30:32,278 --> 00:30:34,556 who did nothing about the case. 613 00:30:35,488 --> 00:30:37,697 [Judy] I was telling him the investigating officer 614 00:30:37,801 --> 00:30:39,734 was somebody with a dog's name, 615 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,115 and his name was Spike, 616 00:30:41,218 --> 00:30:43,600 and who on Earth would name their kid Spike? 617 00:30:43,703 --> 00:30:46,396 I was going on, cutting down the police officer 618 00:30:46,499 --> 00:30:48,018 and how sorry he was, 619 00:30:48,122 --> 00:30:49,571 and how I wished he could have lived 620 00:30:49,675 --> 00:30:51,366 through the years I had lived 621 00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:53,610 and know what I felt. 622 00:30:53,713 --> 00:30:55,474 It wasn't nice. 623 00:30:55,715 --> 00:30:57,131 But I was honest. 624 00:31:00,272 --> 00:31:02,343 [Paul] When you told me your story, 625 00:31:02,791 --> 00:31:05,725 and how bad this Sergeant Spike was, 626 00:31:05,898 --> 00:31:07,106 my heart dropped. 627 00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:09,005 I remember sitting there, thinking, 628 00:31:09,108 --> 00:31:11,870 "Oh, she obviously hasn't seen my name tag." 629 00:31:12,387 --> 00:31:14,734 Could I have walked out of there and said I am sorry 630 00:31:14,838 --> 00:31:16,288 to hear about your circumstances 631 00:31:16,391 --> 00:31:17,703 and you'd never known it was me? 632 00:31:17,806 --> 00:31:19,153 I didn't know who you were. 633 00:31:19,256 --> 00:31:20,706 - You could've been anybody. - Right. 634 00:31:20,809 --> 00:31:22,259 I could've, but after hearing 635 00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:24,123 you're a mother who lost her son, 636 00:31:24,227 --> 00:31:26,539 there is no way I could walk out on you 637 00:31:26,643 --> 00:31:27,575 after that. 638 00:31:27,678 --> 00:31:29,094 [Judy] I went off on the guy. 639 00:31:29,197 --> 00:31:31,130 And he said to me, 640 00:31:31,234 --> 00:31:33,961 "Well, as you were talking to me, 641 00:31:34,064 --> 00:31:35,997 things started ringing a bell." 642 00:31:36,101 --> 00:31:39,414 And he pushed his chair back, and he says, 643 00:31:39,518 --> 00:31:42,038 "Let me formally introduce myself. 644 00:31:42,141 --> 00:31:46,387 I was the investigating officer, aka Spike." 645 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:51,219 I was shocked, number one. 646 00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:53,877 Well, you know, I talked very badly of you. 647 00:31:53,981 --> 00:31:55,706 - Right. Rightly so. - Um. 648 00:31:56,052 --> 00:31:59,365 I never had a kind word to say about you, at all. 649 00:31:59,469 --> 00:32:00,435 [Paul] Right. 650 00:32:00,539 --> 00:32:03,162 I hated what you represented, so... 651 00:32:03,266 --> 00:32:04,819 And I can't blame you one bit. 652 00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:07,063 I can't blame you one bit. 653 00:32:07,166 --> 00:32:08,788 I just felt so bad for the woman, 654 00:32:08,892 --> 00:32:10,963 especially because I dropped the ball 655 00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:12,827 the night of the event. 656 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,174 And then law enforcement and nobody else 657 00:32:15,278 --> 00:32:16,451 would do anything to help her. 658 00:32:16,555 --> 00:32:18,626 I wanted to get to the bottom of this. 659 00:32:19,144 --> 00:32:20,248 I went into the parking lot 660 00:32:20,352 --> 00:32:22,181 where my police vehicle was parked, 661 00:32:22,285 --> 00:32:23,838 and I was gonna do everything I could 662 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,219 within my power to make sure 663 00:32:25,322 --> 00:32:27,946 that this mom got justice for her son. 664 00:32:28,532 --> 00:32:30,879 I got on the computer and wrote an email 665 00:32:30,983 --> 00:32:33,020 to our cold case detectives 666 00:32:33,123 --> 00:32:35,194 to have them reopen the case 667 00:32:35,298 --> 00:32:38,197 so we truly could do the right thing. 668 00:32:39,578 --> 00:32:43,582 After that, out of guilt or compassion, 669 00:32:43,685 --> 00:32:46,412 Spike became my friend. 670 00:32:46,516 --> 00:32:48,863 He started coming over and checking on me, 671 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,313 did I need anything? 672 00:32:50,416 --> 00:32:52,798 And he handpicked these two detectives 673 00:32:52,901 --> 00:32:54,696 to do the cold case. 674 00:32:54,938 --> 00:32:56,698 They were both remarkable. 675 00:32:56,802 --> 00:33:00,047 Couldn't have picked any two better detectives 676 00:33:00,150 --> 00:33:01,703 to have done that. 677 00:33:02,566 --> 00:33:04,223 [Deborah] They really beat it into the ground. 678 00:33:04,327 --> 00:33:06,674 They went back and talked to everybody. 679 00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:08,572 These guys even collected some things 680 00:33:08,676 --> 00:33:10,816 that I had, that they could not find 681 00:33:10,919 --> 00:33:12,542 in their original case file. 682 00:33:14,199 --> 00:33:15,994 They worked this hard. 683 00:33:17,961 --> 00:33:20,170 [Paul] Based on the research and the investigation 684 00:33:20,274 --> 00:33:23,001 that Judy and her daughter were able to do, 685 00:33:23,656 --> 00:33:24,899 the cold case detectives 686 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,420 got the witnesses identified, the suspect identified. 687 00:33:29,248 --> 00:33:31,181 And they actually flew out and tracked down 688 00:33:31,285 --> 00:33:33,045 some of the witnesses from that night 689 00:33:33,149 --> 00:33:35,461 in other states around the country. 690 00:33:36,462 --> 00:33:39,258 Going out and speaking to the eyewitnesses of this, 691 00:33:39,362 --> 00:33:41,674 they were actually able to get the motive 692 00:33:41,778 --> 00:33:43,538 and how the crime occurred. 693 00:33:46,438 --> 00:33:48,578 And their information corroborated 694 00:33:48,681 --> 00:33:50,407 what Judy found out. 695 00:33:51,684 --> 00:33:54,446 Ronnie was actually struck on the head 696 00:33:55,136 --> 00:33:57,173 and did not fall off of a bicycle. 697 00:34:00,866 --> 00:34:05,008 The witnesses were very upfront with the cold case detectives. 698 00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:09,012 I think some of them truly wanted my mom to have 699 00:34:09,116 --> 00:34:10,910 some form of closure. 700 00:34:11,014 --> 00:34:13,844 There were details that came out we didn't know about. 701 00:34:15,536 --> 00:34:18,021 [Judy] The night that my son was killed, 702 00:34:18,677 --> 00:34:22,060 Jason was pistol-whipping an older man 703 00:34:22,163 --> 00:34:25,097 in that driveway over something, 704 00:34:25,201 --> 00:34:28,687 over $10 or something, they said. 705 00:34:28,997 --> 00:34:32,863 Ronnie was riding his bike, and he intervened. 706 00:34:34,002 --> 00:34:35,901 Ronnie said to Jason, 707 00:34:36,004 --> 00:34:39,732 "Why don't you pick on someone closer to your age?" 708 00:34:40,388 --> 00:34:44,151 And he went after my son with the butt of a gun. 709 00:34:45,393 --> 00:34:47,188 [Deborah] That's what hit the side of Ronnie's head, 710 00:34:47,292 --> 00:34:48,741 was that gun, 711 00:34:49,742 --> 00:34:51,089 which was impact one. 712 00:34:51,192 --> 00:34:54,264 Impact two was when he lost consciousness, 713 00:34:54,368 --> 00:34:56,404 was immediately paralyzed on his left side, 714 00:34:56,508 --> 00:35:00,201 and fell backwards and smacked his head on the concrete. 715 00:35:05,068 --> 00:35:06,690 After they got all the information 716 00:35:06,794 --> 00:35:09,831 and everything together, and all the witnesses, 717 00:35:09,935 --> 00:35:12,075 I figured they had enough cause 718 00:35:12,179 --> 00:35:14,112 to arrest Jason. 719 00:35:14,871 --> 00:35:18,530 But the detectives wanted to get someone on tape. 720 00:35:19,462 --> 00:35:21,222 [Deborah] I think, at that point, 721 00:35:21,326 --> 00:35:23,121 they were worried Jason would claim 722 00:35:23,224 --> 00:35:26,710 it was an accidental hitting of 723 00:35:26,814 --> 00:35:29,782 because of the dispute between he and the other man. 724 00:35:29,886 --> 00:35:33,234 So they asked how I would feel about wearing a recording device 725 00:35:33,338 --> 00:35:35,616 and go down and speak with the witness 726 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,137 to see if he would say anything incriminating. 727 00:35:40,207 --> 00:35:41,587 So I agreed to that, 728 00:35:41,691 --> 00:35:44,314 and they head across the street in a car 729 00:35:44,418 --> 00:35:45,798 so they could watch, 730 00:35:45,902 --> 00:35:48,870 and I approached and chatted with him. 731 00:35:49,526 --> 00:35:52,357 It's a silly lead into, but I had to ask him, 732 00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:53,599 "What happened that night? 733 00:35:53,703 --> 00:35:55,808 What really happened that night?" 734 00:35:55,912 --> 00:36:00,779 And I was just... I was a bundle of nerves. 735 00:36:01,469 --> 00:36:05,542 You never know if you're dealing with people that are shady. 736 00:36:06,336 --> 00:36:07,855 I was scared for her. 737 00:36:07,958 --> 00:36:10,651 I don't want anything to happen to her too. 738 00:36:14,448 --> 00:36:19,763 [music] [birds chirping] 739 00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:22,697 [Judy] Debbie, when I was speaking with Spike yesterday, 740 00:36:22,801 --> 00:36:25,113 he did not know you wore the wire. 741 00:36:25,217 --> 00:36:26,391 [Deborah] Well, why would he? 742 00:36:26,494 --> 00:36:28,186 They would have no reason to keep him totally... 743 00:36:28,289 --> 00:36:30,015 Well, because they were keeping him updated, 744 00:36:30,118 --> 00:36:31,603 but he thought that was fascinating 745 00:36:31,706 --> 00:36:33,708 that you were brave enough to wear a wire. 746 00:36:33,812 --> 00:36:35,745 I wasn't afraid. I could've taken him. 747 00:36:36,539 --> 00:36:38,196 [laughs] 748 00:36:39,024 --> 00:36:45,893 [music] 749 00:36:45,996 --> 00:36:47,274 I'm not sure what he said 750 00:36:47,377 --> 00:36:50,277 because I was a wreck, 751 00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:53,349 but I asked the detectives to tell me what he said. 752 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:56,662 It had came out that Jason had a gun in his hand. 753 00:36:56,766 --> 00:36:58,492 He had taken it back to his apartment. 754 00:36:58,595 --> 00:37:00,632 He had asked his girlfriend to hide the gun. 755 00:37:00,735 --> 00:37:02,047 And he threatened all of them 756 00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:03,635 if they told them what happened. 757 00:37:03,945 --> 00:37:06,224 I think that was why the cold case detectives 758 00:37:06,327 --> 00:37:08,812 decide to proceed with charges. 759 00:37:09,192 --> 00:37:11,953 You have a weapon in your hand 760 00:37:12,057 --> 00:37:13,507 that you took the time to hide. 761 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:15,716 I don't think there was a lot of accident 762 00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:17,165 involved in that. 763 00:37:17,683 --> 00:37:19,133 [Reporter] Jason Brian Gailey 764 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:20,928 is charged with second-degree murder 765 00:37:21,031 --> 00:37:23,931 because Judy Weaver just wouldn't let it go. 766 00:37:29,764 --> 00:37:31,697 [Paul] It's not normal for family members 767 00:37:31,801 --> 00:37:34,044 to conduct their own investigation, 768 00:37:34,148 --> 00:37:36,184 but they were instrumental 769 00:37:36,288 --> 00:37:38,359 in giving us enough probable cause 770 00:37:38,463 --> 00:37:40,258 to arrest the suspect. 771 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:43,053 If they weren't beating the streets 772 00:37:43,157 --> 00:37:44,952 and talking to the people, 773 00:37:46,022 --> 00:37:47,403 we would never be here today, 774 00:37:47,506 --> 00:37:50,198 and the person who was arrested 775 00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:51,545 would've never been arrested. 776 00:37:51,648 --> 00:37:52,994 [Reporter] Based on the new information, 777 00:37:53,098 --> 00:37:56,584 Jason Gailey is picked up and charged with murder. 778 00:37:56,688 --> 00:37:59,691 And a mother's intuition made it happen. 779 00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:07,043 [Judy] By the next day, it went on the news. 780 00:38:07,146 --> 00:38:08,527 It was on every channel. 781 00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:10,288 There was people lined up 782 00:38:10,391 --> 00:38:14,153 out there with cameras and facing my house. 783 00:38:14,602 --> 00:38:17,295 I opened my front door and shut it in a hurry. 784 00:38:17,398 --> 00:38:18,986 And I called Debbie and I said, 785 00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:21,747 "My God, that's what we should've done first 786 00:38:21,954 --> 00:38:23,784 "was gone to the media, 787 00:38:24,129 --> 00:38:26,580 "and we wouldn't have had to wait seven years 788 00:38:26,683 --> 00:38:28,996 for them to start an investigation." 789 00:38:30,308 --> 00:38:33,000 [Deborah] After Jason was arrested, 790 00:38:33,103 --> 00:38:35,899 he was charged with second-degree murder. 791 00:38:36,279 --> 00:38:38,730 And then there was a timeframe 792 00:38:38,833 --> 00:38:41,802 in which the state attorney has to decide 793 00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:43,735 to proceed with charges. 794 00:38:45,668 --> 00:38:47,325 I was able to talk to the detectives 795 00:38:47,428 --> 00:38:49,982 several times, and they kept me up to date. 796 00:38:50,466 --> 00:38:51,812 I was excited that we could provide 797 00:38:51,915 --> 00:38:54,746 Judy and her daughter and Ronnie some justice, 798 00:38:55,643 --> 00:38:58,025 only to have the state attorney drop the charges. 799 00:38:59,544 --> 00:39:01,546 This person was gonna walk free. 800 00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:08,207 The state attorneys were not confident 801 00:39:08,311 --> 00:39:11,452 that the jury would see these witnesses 802 00:39:11,556 --> 00:39:13,730 having clear mind and being able 803 00:39:13,834 --> 00:39:15,870 to remember details all that well 804 00:39:15,974 --> 00:39:18,494 because so much time had went by. 805 00:39:21,013 --> 00:39:24,327 [Judy] On the TV, it actually showed Jason. 806 00:39:24,569 --> 00:39:26,467 And he just had a smirk on his face. 807 00:39:26,571 --> 00:39:28,642 He never said anything. 808 00:39:30,057 --> 00:39:32,404 I don't know what their intention was 809 00:39:32,508 --> 00:39:33,612 when they led him out, 810 00:39:33,716 --> 00:39:35,234 but it didn't matter. 811 00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:37,064 He was done anyway. 812 00:39:38,237 --> 00:39:39,929 He overdosed and died. 813 00:39:40,032 --> 00:39:43,381 Was at about a week after he got out of jail. 814 00:39:47,592 --> 00:39:49,456 [Deborah] Breakfast is ready! 815 00:39:49,801 --> 00:39:51,181 [Man] Katie, do you want some bacon? 816 00:39:51,285 --> 00:39:53,287 You guys wanna come grab a plate? 817 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:54,322 Get some breakfast? 818 00:39:54,426 --> 00:39:55,841 Have chicken? 819 00:39:56,290 --> 00:39:58,292 [Man] Take that, go sit down. 820 00:39:58,948 --> 00:40:02,227 He might be enjoying my plate if he can lean forward. 821 00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:03,815 [Woman] Careful, he's quick. 822 00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:05,679 [Judy] That's funny. 823 00:40:06,783 --> 00:40:09,890 The job had been done-- late, belated, 824 00:40:10,166 --> 00:40:11,961 but it had been done. 825 00:40:12,202 --> 00:40:14,895 And we knew what had happened. 826 00:40:15,551 --> 00:40:17,898 I knew Ronnie had done a good thing in the end. 827 00:40:18,381 --> 00:40:20,556 He had tried to help somebody. 828 00:40:20,659 --> 00:40:23,524 And Ronnie's buried, he's gone. 829 00:40:23,628 --> 00:40:25,353 He did not die for no reason, 830 00:40:25,457 --> 00:40:28,287 but we have to continue to live. 831 00:40:28,391 --> 00:40:34,432 [music] 832 00:40:34,535 --> 00:40:37,055 [Judy] It still bothers me some, you know? 833 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,022 And I'm sorry if I get teary eyed. 834 00:40:39,126 --> 00:40:42,785 It's still... It's just an emotion for a minute 835 00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:44,718 and you're gonna cut it, right? 836 00:40:45,235 --> 00:40:46,616 [laughs] 837 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,794 But he was always doing for someone else, 838 00:40:52,415 --> 00:40:55,556 which is what happened to him the night he was hurt. 839 00:40:56,074 --> 00:40:58,697 And, but that was just how he was. 840 00:40:58,801 --> 00:41:00,492 He was always that way. 841 00:41:00,596 --> 00:41:09,225 [music] 842 00:41:11,779 --> 00:41:13,781 [Deborah] There's no way. You can't close it. 843 00:41:13,885 --> 00:41:15,403 [Judy] There's never gonna be a closure. 844 00:41:15,507 --> 00:41:17,958 [Deborah] No, he's at peace, he's been at peace since... 845 00:41:18,061 --> 00:41:20,650 I believe he's been at peace since the day he died. 846 00:41:20,754 --> 00:41:23,135 When you let him go, he can go in peace. 847 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,519 I'm just grateful that you were there with me 848 00:41:27,623 --> 00:41:28,762 during that time. 849 00:41:28,865 --> 00:41:30,522 I think you gave me some strength. 850 00:41:30,626 --> 00:41:34,492 I think Ronnie's proud of what we've done 851 00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:36,424 on his behalf. 852 00:41:36,528 --> 00:41:38,565 Looking at it, I think it made us stronger. 853 00:41:38,668 --> 00:41:39,980 Yeah, I know. 854 00:41:43,155 --> 00:41:44,778 [Judy] I believe it made us closer. 855 00:41:44,881 --> 00:41:47,919 We were fighting for the same thing. 856 00:41:48,333 --> 00:41:51,509 We were fighting for justice, for the truth. 857 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,960 That's a bond that will never break. 858 00:41:55,409 --> 00:41:59,517 And you're gonna get justice where justice is deserved. 859 00:42:01,311 --> 00:42:03,659 Just have to have faith. 860 00:42:04,936 --> 00:42:10,942 [music] 861 00:42:12,046 --> 00:42:15,533 [ducks quacking] [birds cawing] 862 00:42:27,096 --> 00:42:39,039 [music] 863 00:42:57,851 --> 00:43:01,268 Violent death of undetermined means. 864 00:43:01,371 --> 00:43:03,028 On the next episode of 865 00:43:03,132 --> 00:43:05,755 "True Crime Story: Citizen Detective"... 866 00:43:05,859 --> 00:43:10,001 Why didn't they fully investigate my sister's case? 867 00:43:10,104 --> 00:43:14,177 I just wanted to know, whatever the truth was. 868 00:43:14,281 --> 00:43:16,732 We all knew something was horribly wrong. 869 00:43:16,835 --> 00:43:19,251 This was murder. 870 00:43:19,355 --> 00:43:23,393 "True Crime Story: Citizen Detective." 871 00:43:23,497 --> 00:43:25,361 ♪