1 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,000 ♪ 2 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 ♪ 3 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 ♪ 4 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 ♪ 5 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 ♪ 6 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 ♪ 7 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 {\an8} 8 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,720 {\an8} 9 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,240 {\an8} 10 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,600 {\an8} 11 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:12,960 Hi, Dad. 12 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Sorry, huh. Was I a little late? - HI. 13 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,480 At that time? 14 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,120 I prepared something different from the usual sandwiches. 15 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,800 Uh... Gnocchi. 16 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,519 But you've always hated cooking. 17 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,840 I... tried to remember just like mom made them. 18 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,120 - Excellent. - Yes? 19 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,280 I swear, delicious. 20 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,080 {\an8} 21 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,720 If that's okay with you, I would prefer to speak Italian. 22 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,600 Whatever you want, this is your space. 23 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,320 Uhm, okay. 24 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,840 I really don't know where to start. 25 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,199 Some start by talking... of the violent side, 26 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,839 instead others... leave from distant memories, 27 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,879 but the important thing here, 28 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,000 it's up to her to decide where to start. 29 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,920 As I think you already know, I am aware of the fact I remember very little. 30 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,760 Sometimes I have flashes of some episodes... 31 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,920 ...memories that came back after, and that... is... 32 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,039 ...in the days following the event, 33 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,120 I didn't know what happened to my sister... nothing. 34 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,120 I arrived at the trial as if I were there by mistake. 35 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,360 "Would I have killed my sister? But what are you saying? 36 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,600 I had the impression that they were talking someone else's, not me. 37 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,400 And when did some memory return? 38 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,160 I spent the first few years in prison passed through a psychiatric hospital. 39 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,159 There with a good psychologist, 40 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,400 I started to remember something... 41 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,120 ...but I remembered it vaguely. 42 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,279 I didn't know if they were my memories or the memories of something 43 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,080 that I had heard at the trial. 44 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Then... the psychologist took me on my sister's grave and... 45 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,240 ...and there for the first time I saw the image of fire. 46 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,200 Of my sister who was burning. 47 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Look, I understand what you're feeling. 48 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,440 I wouldn't want to influence her, but maybe it could start from... 49 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,280 ...a memory that comes back to her frequently. 50 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,279 A lived situation, even far away, 51 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,479 but that in perspective of the story 52 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,639 which has been done in these years, has become more significant, 53 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,920 compared to what happened. 54 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,240 Hmm... 55 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,799 Do you mind if I get up? 56 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,679 Yes, of course, as I told you, it's his space. 57 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,960 You don't have to ask my permission. Mh. 58 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,920 My mother didn't want me... 59 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,720 ...he told me often, very clearly. 60 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,239 "I did everything to lose you, I was taking the stairs," 61 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,720 "I used to lift huge weights, but no way, you wanted to be born." 62 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,560 When did he tell you this sentence? 63 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,439 Hmm... 64 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,640 The first time I gave it to him-I gave it to him I heard it was from her friends... 65 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,640 ...with whom he had a coffee from us. 66 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,639 He was afraid I would be born with a malformation, 67 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,760 given his age. 68 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,960 When I was born my mother had 45 years old and... 69 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,640 ...and I always remember her sad and in a bad mood. 70 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,880 I think she went into depression after I was born, without knowing it. 71 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,280 That's why I was saying that everything was fine. 72 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,840 But there were many things left unsaid... 73 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,000 ...and this was true both at home that outside. 74 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,639 It's a strange little town... they all know each other, 75 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,080 everyone knows everything of all the others... 76 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,680 ...and appearances matter a lot. 77 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,480 Everything must look neat and clean, reassuring... 78 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,040 ..everything has to be perfect. 79 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,240 And did this apply to her too? 80 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,320 In a certain sense, yes. 81 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,160 She wanted to... do everything to be able to please others? 82 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,720 Yes, unfortunately. 83 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,600 And today? 84 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,560 This desire to please others... are you still trying it? 85 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,600 I don't know, it's hard to say. 86 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:21,560 AND... 87 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:23,360 ...who with me? 88 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,720 During this meeting? 89 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:29,880 I would not know... 90 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:32,920 ...can be. 91 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,079 Mrs. Zanetti, the essential condition 92 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,359 because these meetings help him to build an intimate truth 93 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,360 and personal... 94 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,080 ...is that she be as sincere as possible. 95 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,959 If she lies knowing she is lying, all this work is useless, 96 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,599 for her obviously, but also for my research. 97 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,599 The results would be false, false and deceptive, 98 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,040 and worse still... 99 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,920 ..she will end up being more confused than before. 100 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,680 It's been since I was a child that no one ever believes me. 101 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,200 Sorry if I was inappropriate, and... 102 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,519 ...it was my duty to point it out. 103 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,640 No... no problem. 104 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,440 {\an8} 105 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,080 {\an8} 106 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,879 Good morning. Good morning. 107 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,960 Good morning. 108 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,519 ELISA: I must have had about eight years 109 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,960 and... I saw some shoes in a shop in the center... 110 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,480 ..they were red, very beautiful. 111 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,079 When I read the price... I have to be wrong, 112 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,639 I had read 29 francs, 113 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,039 but then at the checkout, when I was with my mom, 114 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,880 we found out that the price was 129 francs. 115 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,959 So my mother, so as not to lose the face, he bought them anyway. 116 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,760 Then when we got home, he told me... 117 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,480 ..of all colors. 118 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,879 If you remember the words what did his mother say? 119 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,719 She was very angry, he called me spoiled, 120 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,559 of the liar... he didn't want to believe me 121 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,480 when I told her that I had just misread the price. 122 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,240 She accused me of deceiving her, of having lied to her. 123 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,480 But the next day at school, everyone was looking at my shoes. 124 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,600 I was so proud... 125 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,480 ..and I said it was a gift of my mother. 126 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,320 I said it with pride. 127 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,920 {\an8} 128 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,640 FATHER Here. 129 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,879 How did you know? why did this book interest me? 130 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Ottavio recommended it to me, the bookseller. 131 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,320 Did you tell him it was for me? - No... 132 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,880 ..well, he understood it. 133 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,640 I don't say anything and he doesn't ask. 134 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,600 Listen, Dad, I... 135 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,919 ...I decided to start a series of meetings with a criminologist 136 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,079 who holds three lectures here at university. 137 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,080 "Meetings"? 138 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,360 And for what? 139 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,280 It's not for an expertise like in the old days of the process, is... 140 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,519 ...for a study 141 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,919 that this criminologist is conducting for years. 142 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,840 I think he'll want to make a book about it later. 143 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,199 And you are the one who has to study? 144 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,440 No, he also met other inmates. 145 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,840 Don't worry. 146 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,080 What could happen? 147 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,560 So maybe I can understand it too. a little more. 148 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,159 I remember that it made you suffer meet these people, 149 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,599 criminologists, psychologists, put it small, 150 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,239 but so much so that, enough, you closed yourself off and didn't speak anymore. 151 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,480 It was a long time ago. 152 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,440 I'm better now. 153 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,599 He's doing much better. 154 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,200 Come on, it's late. Don't worry. 155 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,759 Hey, dad. - Oh, are you still like this? 156 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,759 I'll get dressed here, don't worry. 157 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,919 And you all tell me "take it easy", I'm obviously not at peace. 158 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,999 It will all be fine. 159 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,680 Yes. Go and see where it is at. your sister, come on. 160 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,560 Yes, maybe a little further here. 161 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,120 - Nail. - Finished? - Yes, thank you. 162 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,200 You're always late. - Hi, Franck. 163 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,840 Help me with the bow tie. 164 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Are you excited? 165 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,839 Not very much. I don't believe you. 166 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,040 You're nervous and your neck is sore all sweaty. 167 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,440 Katia, are you still like this? 168 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,400 The dress is here. - Let me see. 169 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,400 It's the graduation one, you liked it a lot. 170 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,200 I liked it ten years ago instead. 171 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,359 Elisa? 172 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,320 I don't know, it's locked inside, I tried I knocked and he answered me rudely. 173 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,240 Go see for yourself, tell her to hurry up. 174 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,040 I go. 175 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Elisa, can I? 176 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,240 Yes. 177 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,520 Are you still like this? Aren't you getting ready? 178 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,800 Yes, I'm getting ready now. 179 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,440 Can I dress up for you? 180 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Yes. 181 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,320 What's wrong? 182 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:12,360 Nothing. 183 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,280 You have a face... 184 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,840 I said I have nothing. 185 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,359 Are you sorry that Franck has not asked you to be a witness, 186 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,360 True? 187 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,960 Be his witness, Elisa. 188 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,840 - I don't care. Come on, let's go. - Don't get involved... 189 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,720 ...Understood? 190 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,720 As you like. 191 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,520 Thinking back to my family It made me confused. 192 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,800 And... and maybe a little anger too. 193 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,920 What do you mean anger? 194 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,119 I agreed to work in my father's company, 195 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,439 but... it wasn't that at all what I wanted to do in life. 196 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,759 It refers to carpentry of his father? 197 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,519 What did he inherit with his brother? 198 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,120 Yes it is, it's there that's where it all started. 199 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,840 It hadn't been my idea... 200 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,520 ...it was my brother's project. 201 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,000 For him... it was his world, not for me. 202 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,400 I tried to make it mine alone because I wanted to please him. 203 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,080 "To please him." 204 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,840 All my life I've been searching to adapt to... 205 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,560 ...to what I imagined it to be the desire of others. 206 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,079 If I know... what people they expect from me 207 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,599 and I can make it happen, 208 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,279 then I have the feeling that others consider me, 209 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,800 that I exist in their eyes. 210 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,520 It's just this way that I no longer feel invisible. 211 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,199 Invisibility and anger, started from this today. 212 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,279 And... maybe these feelings were already appeared 213 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,160 when he talked about his mother. 214 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,559 He remembers other times when... 215 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Yes, with my father. 216 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,280 He had placed great trust in him in me. 217 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,519 He was convinced that his wishes corresponded to mine, 218 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,880 that... my destiny was in the family business... 219 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,760 ...I would not know. 220 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,359 Actually, he never imposed anything on me. Nothing... 221 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,039 The day he signed me up to the accounting course, 222 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440 I could have... gotten up and leave... 223 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,520 ...but I didn't. 224 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,160 We can say that I am... freely obliged. 225 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,920 "Freely obliged", a beautiful expression. 226 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,280 A beautiful oxymoron. 227 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,800 Yes, I freely obliged myself to do what he wanted. 228 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,200 Join the company as soon as you finish the studies and... 229 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,039 ..and in the end that place became the cause of all that 230 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,040 what happened. 231 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,600 What do you mean, can you... explain it to me? 232 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,959 After I started working, 233 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,719 I found myself between the anvil and the hammer, 234 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,279 my father on one side and my brother on the other 235 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,280 who were discussing how to manage the company. 236 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,119 Until my father, exhausted, he sold the business to us. 237 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,560 At that point, my father demanded that it was me... 238 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,760 ...to have 51% of the shares... 239 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,119 ...and that I was the administrator unique. 240 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,120 I accepted... 241 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,280 ...I was probably 20 years old, maybe... 242 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,359 ...but I wanted to live up to it, 243 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,440 that my father saw that I could do it, that I was capable. 244 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,159 Then my brother started with his delusions of grandeur, 245 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,080 he ordered tons of wood... 246 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,879 ...he dreamed of building a new shed on the land 247 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,319 of family. 248 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040 It's obvious that he doesn't either I was able to say no. 249 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,760 What was his relationship with his brother? 250 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160 Franck and I were very close. 251 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,120 Allies, so to speak. 252 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320 When I was little, it was the only one who played with me. 253 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,880 He always picked me up... he gave me kisses... 254 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,840 ...we laughed together. 255 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,920 What is your relationship now? 256 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,480 Nobody. 257 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,120 When my father decided to... 258 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,960 ...come here to visit me as often as possible possible, my brother... 259 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,680 ...asked him to choose between him etc. 260 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,600 "If you choose her, forget about having a son". 261 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,840 My father kept coming to find me 262 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,400 and my brother... he doesn't have them anymore... addressed the word. 263 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120 And my father never saw him again his grandchildren. 264 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,240 He talked about his mother, of his father and his brother... 265 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,720 ...but never about his sister. 266 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,200 Because for me my sister doesn't it no longer existed. 267 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,200 For a long time now. 268 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,840 When I was little, I was more attached to my brother than to her. 269 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,759 Then when I was 15, 270 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,479 she went to live her life, alone. 271 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,559 We grew up with a certain idea of family, of being united, 272 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,840 and she rejected all of this. 273 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,640 And I wanted it. 274 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,160 So I built a wall between us, me on my side and she on the other. 275 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,679 She came closer to us again, 276 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,400 when the company was about to go in bankruptcy... to help us. 277 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,120 AND... 278 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,039 ...with your father, can I ask you? what are you talking about? 279 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,440 when is he coming to visit her? 280 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,440 We never talk about... 281 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,840 ...of what happened, if-if that's what he means. 282 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,600 Our relationship has begun after... after the fact. 283 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,719 Sometimes I think we should do this, but... he never talks about it, 284 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,840 so... I'm not saying anything. - Sure, I understand. 285 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,560 Hmm... 286 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,680 I'm sorry if I interrupt. his story, but... 287 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,400 ...I think that... out of respect from me and her, towards sister... 288 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,640 ...we should start saying "homocide". 289 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,560 We no longer say "the fact". 290 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,520 She committed a horrible act, irreparable... 291 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,000 ..and we must not forget it. Do you agree? 292 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,240 Good morning. 293 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,799 - Good morning. - Good morning. 294 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,040 Can you make me a coffee? Black, strong? 295 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960 Can you give me that muffin too, please? 296 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,079 I met his father at the station, 297 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,719 but I don't think he has me recognized 298 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,160 because I was in civilian clothes. 299 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,560 My father has always been a little distracted. 300 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,160 She could have come closer. 301 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,399 My father always likes to talk with some Italians. 302 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,240 I didn't feel like it because... 303 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,199 ...some articles have come out about her and... I didn't know 304 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,800 whether he had read them or not. 305 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,360 But they say he can work now. out... 306 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,960 ...the legal deadlines have expired, can apply. 307 00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,680 They can rest assured... 308 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,600 ...I have no intention whatsoever to ask for semi-liberty. 309 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,160 Katia, we have to go. 310 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,999 You should go back to the doctor, 311 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,240 that gives you something so you don't get sick vomiting... every time you eat. 312 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,960 To make me say it for the umpteenth time what is stress? 313 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,720 As soon as I calm down it will pass. 314 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,920 Come on, get ready. 315 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,520 An appointment to show the house in the evening? 316 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,520 But how does he do it, what does he see in the evening? 317 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,960 He works during the day, he can only see her in the evening. 318 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,280 Why don't you go with them? 319 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,159 No, there's no need. 320 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,840 Dad, stay here, it's better if you stay with mom, huh? 321 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,000 As you wish. 322 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,719 Then it seemed like this to me a good person on the phone, 323 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,280 this lawyer... lawyer? 324 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,000 Damasio. Damasio, right. 325 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,919 Come on, let's hope that finally this evening the girl makes up her mind 326 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,080 to buy the house... 327 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400 ..so we put a nice stone there above all this story. 328 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,280 There she is. It must be her. 329 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,959 Come on, let's go inside the house. 330 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,520 Let's turn on the lights and when he arrives he will see us. 331 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,800 Elisa? 332 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,920 How did the meeting go? with the lawyer last night? 333 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,120 Oh, are you listening to me? 334 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,200 - Dad, I'm sleeping. - But I called you a thousand times. 335 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,760 Sorry, I didn't hear the calls. 336 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,240 Where is Katia? 337 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,680 Mhm, I don't know where it is. 338 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,040 Will be... 339 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,720 ...she will have gone back to sleep at home. 340 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,799 I do not know, the lawyer was late, 341 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640 she said she would stay there waiting for her. 342 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,599 He said he would call you, didn't he do it? 343 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,000 And she left, why? Did you have an argument? 344 00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,720 You know how Katia is... 345 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,640 He sent me a message... 346 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,919 ..she said she went back to sleep At home 347 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,000 and that the lawyer never arrived. 348 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,999 And let's call this lady, maybe he had a setback, 349 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,439 what do I know, let's set up another meeting. 350 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,840 I don't have his number... 351 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,160 ...I always called her from the phone in Katia. 352 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,040 And call your sister. 353 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,400 Okay, I'll call her. 354 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,760 It appears detached. 355 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,760 He'll be sleeping. 356 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,400 Lucky her that she can sleep until late. 357 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,040 When he wakes up he will call you. 358 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,400 Hi, Dad. 359 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,160 - How are you? - Fine you? 360 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,800 Well. 361 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,080 Eli, what's up? 362 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000 What's wrong? 363 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,599 I heard that the newspapers have started talking about myself again. 364 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,600 Don't think about it, let them say. 365 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,160 You care about me, I don't even notice it. 366 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,560 Anyway, there is good news, right? You could ask out. 367 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,960 When the time comes we will understand. 368 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,720 Look what I brought you. 369 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,120 I hope you like it. 370 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,400 Have you seen Franck again? 371 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,880 Don't mention it... you know your brother. 372 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560 Clara gave them to me last week last, when we saw each other... 373 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,160 ..grandparents understand each other. - They've gotten really big. 374 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,160 You know, with the criminologist... 375 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,520 ...we're talking a lot about the past. 376 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,280 About mom... 377 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,680 ..of the family, of Franck... 378 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,360 ..about me and you. 379 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,720 It hasn't always been easy between us, right? 380 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,600 Good morning. 381 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,759 At 20 she became an administrator unique in the family business? 382 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,800 Yes, that's how it is... 383 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,639 ...and when it all began to go wrong, 384 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,879 nobody asked me how I felt. 385 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,080 Everyone accused me. 386 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,000 "How is it possible, how could you, what have you done? 387 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,240 For my brother too it was me to the person in charge. 388 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,240 And the word "fail", "to have failed"... 389 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,680 ...what feelings does it bring up in you? 390 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,359 I couldn't stand being considered a failure in the eyes 391 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,000 of my brother and my father. 392 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,680 I felt the failure of the company inside me... 393 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,320 ...it burned deep inside me. 394 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,439 And my brother continued to repeat to myself that it was me 395 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,240 that I had ruined the company, you understand? 396 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:18,760 That it was me. 397 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,360 Do you know what hurts me the most? 398 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,000 It's just that... 399 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,639 ...if I had told my father: 400 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,800 "Dad, I need help... I can't do it"... 401 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,640 ...maybe the company, in the end, it would have failed anyway... 402 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,440 ...but everything else would have gone in another way. 403 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,279 But I was obsessed with the idea to be considered the cause 404 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,520 of all our evils. 405 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,519 And that's when I got the idea to pass the blame on 406 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,520 about my sister... 407 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,320 ...that's where I thought of the letter. 408 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:03,720 What letter? 409 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,039 A letter I wrote al computer 410 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,599 with a completely different story invented, 411 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,039 I pretended to be her 412 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,280 and I said it was her to manipulate me. 413 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,200 So he wrote a fake letter, pretending to be Katia? 414 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,120 Yes. - That's it, huh? 415 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,360 And then he sent it to his father? Yes, I posted it myself. 416 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:32,360 And so in this letter... Did Katia say she had manipulated her? 417 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,279 Yes, I wrote that he had me manipulated, 418 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,320 that had... that had done to me open an account in his name... 419 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,120 ..and that is why the company was failed. 420 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,560 That's how I got myself into a trap alone... 421 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,279 After sending the letter, my son this: 422 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,200 "Shit. What do I do now? Something's not working." 423 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,479 "What do I do with Katia?" 424 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,119 "How do I convince her to support the version of the letter" 425 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,240 "that I wrote, signed in his place?". 426 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,920 And when he wrote this letter... 427 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,400 ...was his sister still alive? 428 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,000 Yes, I wrote it... 429 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,360 ...when she was sedated and locked up in the house for sale. 430 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,400 I swear I had no idea of what I had to do. 431 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,840 Um... Excuse me, but... 432 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,720 ...because he chose his sister, was he in conflict with her? 433 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,160 No... no, not at all. 434 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,120 No, she was living her life, if it was... 435 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,440 ...she had moved away from the family... 436 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,880 ...had nothing to do with with us. 437 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,919 During our last meeting she said 438 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,840 that... he really wanted it because of this. 439 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:35,840 Listen... 440 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,480 ...I don't know how he will take the proposal what am I about to do but... 441 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,279 ..as I told you in general, 442 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,839 I always predict a period of three meetings per inmate. 443 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,440 But she's just getting started to remember and... 444 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,400 ...I thought a lot and I think that it is... useful to delve deeper... 445 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,160 ...and continue our meetings. 446 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:01,720 What do you think? 447 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,199 Here it is. 448 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,639 This explains why he is not responding on the phone, she ran away. 449 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,359 No. Katia wouldn't do that... Mom. Don't you want to understand? 450 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,039 He wrote it clearly, 451 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,199 Katia ran away with the money which he took from the crates 452 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,520 of our society. Elisa... 453 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,759 ..is what is written here true? One day Katia came to the office, 454 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,319 seeing me worried for the progress of the company, 455 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,279 she offered to give me a hand. 456 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,480 I felt the weight of responsibility... 457 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,840 ..she told me not to worry, that... 458 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,400 ..that she would have been close to me but... 459 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,080 ..it's clear that he manipulated me. And how? 460 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,039 He convinced me to open an account jointly held, 461 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,079 connected with the company 462 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,280 from which he made payments that only she could do. 463 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,640 Why don't you-don't you tell me? spoke? 464 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,280 Because I trusted... she's my sister. 465 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,320 Besides, you too are… always trusted her, or not? 466 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,559 As we have trusted you, entrusting the company to you. 467 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,760 Here are the results. 468 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,599 We need to go to the police immediately... 469 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,600 Enough. 470 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,880 First you blamed Elisa, now Katia... 471 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,040 ..think about what you've done with your delusions of grandeur instead. 472 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,839 I don't put the police inside one thing 473 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,360 which concerns our family, let's be clear. 474 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,000 There must be an explanation. 475 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,800 We're waiting for Katia to come back. 476 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,520 He will decide how things went. 477 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:47,720 Cow. 478 00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,680 How are you feeling? 479 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,120 Where are we? 480 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,640 You're at home, stay calm. 481 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,000 Here. Drink this. 482 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,520 But drink it all, come on. 483 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,199 ELISA: I see myself again at the wheel of my car, 484 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,399 I was going back and forth like a madwoman, 485 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,839 between the new apartment of my parents 486 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,040 and the old house... 487 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,600 ..where I kept my sister locked up and sedated with Lorazepam. 488 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,840 I had to keep everything under control, 489 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,440 ..I had to invent every day an excuse to disappear... 490 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,000 ..while my parents were looking for my sister... 491 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,360 ..and then pretend too to look for it with them. 492 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:31,720 Zanetti? 493 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,200 Everything OK? 494 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,640 Zanetti, what's going on? 495 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,000 Yes, sorry. I'll be right there. 496 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,560 It made me worried. 497 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,880 Luckily I was on duty. 498 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,359 By the way, Karbusi was... a tomb, 499 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,919 he didn't make a fuss, he worked for two. 500 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,760 Karbusi cares a lot about me... in short, we help each other. 501 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,319 Zanetti I-I can make it match the image I have of her 502 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,559 with... with what I've read in the newspapers. 503 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,399 I can't believe it that she could have... 504 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,400 Yes. 505 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,160 I was able. 506 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,920 Mrs. Zanetti? 507 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000 Cow? 508 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,760 Is anyone there? 509 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,400 Is anyone there? 510 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,319 Madam, it's me... I'm Elisa. 511 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,320 Ah, Elisa. 512 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,999 Um, I was worried, I saw the smoke 513 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,800 and I was about to call the fire department. 514 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,919 With all the weeds that have formed 515 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,120 since you put it up for sale the house and you left... 516 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,359 I came for that, to remove weeds and burn them. 517 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,360 Brava. 518 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,160 It's-it's all right, I'm finishing and going. 519 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,600 I was scared. 520 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,319 No, everything's fine, Thank you for your interest. 521 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,320 Well, between neighbors... 522 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,640 Oh my God ex... 523 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,000 ..well I'm sorry that you sell the house, eh. 524 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,679 "Since we started the meetings," 525 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,039 "I'm trying to put together the memories," 526 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,279 "after my conviction," 527 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,119 "thinking back to all the facts described from the judge," 528 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,759 "the only explanation that I could give myself," 529 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,880 "it was that I had killed my sister in a fit of rage." 530 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,480 "While now, my memory has changed..." 531 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,320 "..it's like I'm reliving those moments." 532 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,720 "I feel emotions that I had removed." 533 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,399 "I was just scared, it wasn't anger," 534 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,640 "it was a fear that took my breath away." 535 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,919 "Fear of being discovered," 536 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,759 "fear of what he would think my mother," 537 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:58,640 "my father, Frank, if Katia had told them the truth..." 538 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,480 "..that it wasn't her to have written the letter, but me." 539 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,680 "With all that that would have resulted from it." 540 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,240 It's the first time that speaks of fear. 541 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,480 Because it's the first time that I see things this way. 542 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,200 And it's harder to admit that it was fear... 543 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,880 ...rather than a fit of anger. 544 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,800 He had the courage to reopen the drawers of his memory with me. 545 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,520 No courage, professor... 546 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,120 ...no courage. 547 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,920 Maybe I just did it... just out of necessity. 548 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,400 I've never had the courage in my life... 549 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,800 ...just fear... 550 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,680 ...especially about myself. 551 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,280 Are you afraid of yourself? Yes, of myself. 552 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,759 Because I had the strength to take away someone's life, 553 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,480 because I wanted one of my own. 554 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,559 And the most terrible thing was that when I got home, 555 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,360 after killing and burned my sister... 556 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,000 ...I put my head on the pillow and I felt at peace. 557 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,680 A peace I had never felt... 558 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,120 ...and that... and that I have never most tested in life. 559 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,000 She's starting to change. 560 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,680 However, if we admit... 561 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,920 ...that the spring what triggered it was... 562 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,480 ...fear, this... 563 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,760 ...this gives the idea of ​​a sort of plan. 564 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,799 A "plan"? 565 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,799 Yes, as if in his head he was thinking 566 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,199 that killing and burning his sister, 567 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,559 all the troubles, all the problems that he had created, would disappear 568 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,800 or... they would be dissolved. 569 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,360 And from a certain point on, it acts on fear... 570 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,439 ...on the never-ending wave of his feeling 571 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,280 to be... unmasked... 572 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,039 ..let others discover, according to his perception, obviously, 573 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,080 that she is a failure. This word is the key to everything. 574 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,279 The failure of the carpentry, becomes his personal failure. 575 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,640 She said it herself, in a previous meeting. 576 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,759 Sorry, but I'd like to stop here. for today, if I may. 577 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,000 We have arrived... at a moment crucial, at a turning point. 578 01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,280 I want to leave. 579 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,000 As you wish. 580 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,400 I thought about her a lot in these last few days. 581 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,800 I've read his books... 582 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,880 ...she writes about other criminals come me. 583 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,279 And I asked myself: 584 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,920 "What drives you to meet people like me?". 585 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,400 Your question makes me wonder... deeply. 586 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,879 But... right now I think it is more important to talk about it 587 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,039 which is emerging from his words. 588 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,880 He still keeps talking about me and not her. 589 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,480 I asked her what drives her. 590 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,960 Mrs. Zanetti, you are to take his story back into his own hands. 591 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:07,279 I am convinced that those who commit an irreparable act like his, 592 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,920 must not remain stuck to the crime for which he is convicted. 593 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,200 He still doesn't answer me. 594 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,560 Goodbye, professor. 595 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,839 They question you, they follow me everywhere. 596 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,919 There must be a reason... the police are not stupid 597 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,279 and we're not stupid either. Will you stop? 598 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,960 No, I won't stop, I won't stop, I won't stop! 599 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,720 Leave me at the bank... the appointment with the director. 600 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:54,600 Close. 601 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:01,239 And then... it was you... the last one not to see Katia, right? 602 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,479 When did you go for that lawyer 603 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,999 to show the house. 604 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,479 From that moment on we no longer have it. Katia, 605 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,079 so tell me what happened? - I told you a thousand times... 606 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,879 Your father will have called you dozens of times that evening there, 607 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,959 why didn't you answer? - Because I didn't hear. 608 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,079 Why didn't you answer? 609 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,399 I didn't hear the calls, I told you! 610 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,759 You don't understand what this means! - Lower your voice. 611 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,400 I'm not lowering my voice! Shut up. - You shut up! 612 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,279 So, you have to tell the truth. 613 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,639 You don't want to tell them? That's fine. Tell us! 614 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,159 To your father! Eh? Who always defends you. 615 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,840 But I know you, you know, I know you! 616 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,359 I can't take it anymore, look, I can't take it anymore. 617 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,080 Zanetti... is everything okay? 618 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,840 Zanetti? 619 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,520 Everything OK? - Yes, everything is fine. 620 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,520 {\an8} 621 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,960 {\an8} 622 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,639 Hello. - Hi, Dad. 623 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,440 You're early. You too. 624 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,240 Look, I don't have... time today. 625 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,359 What happens? 626 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,480 There's a girl at the bar who... is she was sick and didn't show up. 627 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,760 Sorry, I'm so sorry, If I had known beforehand I would have warned you. 628 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,719 No problem, if you have to go, go. 629 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,439 Yes - See you next time. 630 01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:29,440 All right. 631 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,239 I brought you some muffins... girls do them, 632 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,239 those of the pastry shop, they are very good. 633 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,279 Thank you. 634 01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,520 So maybe you can eat them during the journey... 635 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,799 Excuse me. Don't worry. 636 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,919 No, sorry. These things happen. 637 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,160 Yes, but... 638 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,040 The important thing is that you're well. - Yes... come on. 639 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,880 HI. Hi, Dad. 640 01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,680 HI. 641 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,800 Zanetti? 642 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,000 What are you doing here? 643 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,920 Has the interview finished? 644 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,120 Yes, I would like to go back. 645 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,279 - How come? - I-I don't feel very well. 646 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:51,799 I'll have her taken to the infirmary. 647 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,200 No there is no need, I prefer to go back. 648 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,159 All right, I'll call the female officer. No, there's really no need. 649 01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,280 Go, he's coming now. 650 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,600 {\an8} 651 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,200 {\an8} 652 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,160 Good morning, Mr. Zanetti. 653 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,200 Good morning. 654 01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:19,880 Your daughter won't be coming today. 655 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:21,999 Again? 656 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,000 He told me to tell her who would like to be alone for a while. 657 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,440 But are you feeling well? Yes, yes, everything is fine. 658 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:35,160 Sit down... 659 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,200 ...can you give this to Elisa? Some books and a notebook. 660 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,279 Of course. She'll be happy. Goodbye. 661 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,280 Until we meet again. 662 01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,920 {\an8} 663 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,799 Mrs. Elisa Zanetti she showed up at the gendarmerie 664 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,999 to report for theft his sister, Katia Zanetti, 665 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,679 disappeared a month earlier. 666 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,719 This delay in reporting he made us suspicious, 667 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,759 we then searched the houses of the Zanetti family. 668 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,400 Both the one where they lived and the one that they had put up for sale. 669 01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,519 At the back of the house placed for sale, 670 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,720 we found the body charred by Katia Zanetti. 671 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,079 And when you found it the body you suspected 672 01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,080 by Elisa Zanetti? 673 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:53,199 Yes, thanks to the bugs. inserted into the Zanetti house, 674 01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:59,199 we heard of an argument between the mother and her daughter. 675 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,239 Hearing the noises of the fight, 676 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:02,999 we intervened immediately. 677 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,759 Once inside we saw Elisa Zanetti 678 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:11,039 who tried to set fire to the body of the fainted mother. 679 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,719 How did he do it? with his sister's body. 680 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,599 The mother got away with it. with a small burn, 681 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,839 we arrested the accused 682 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:22,039 and, from that moment on, he stopped totally to answer 683 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,120 to our questions. 684 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,360 {\an8} 685 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,120 Anais! 686 01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:14,760 Annals! 687 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:19,800 Annals! 688 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:27,960 Annals! 689 01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,480 {\an8} 690 01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,120 Good evening. - Good evening. 691 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:02,440 Please sit down... Thank you for coming. 692 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,159 Do you want anything? No thank you. 693 01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,320 Safe? Mh-mh. 694 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:11,200 Did he want to see me? 695 01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:13,519 Yes. 696 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,680 I wanted to explain to you why I followed his lessons. 697 01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,800 I read one of his books... 698 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,280 ...which talked about young delinquents. 699 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,760 I wanted to understand, I hoped to understand. 700 01:23:32,440 --> 01:23:34,239 What I would like to know, 701 01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,720 what I was looking for in his books... 702 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,920 ...I don't think he can... in any way please... 703 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,000 ...but I wanted to be sure. 704 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,639 Last winter my son... he was coming home, 705 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,280 after saying goodbye to his friends at a party. 706 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,479 He ran into a group of thugs, 707 01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:07,680 who was bothering an elderly lady who slept on the street. 708 01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:16,240 He came closer... to tell them in short, leave her alone. 709 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:20,720 He must have spoken to him politely... 710 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:22,840 ...smiling... 711 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,040 ...and this smile, they... 712 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,560 ...they couldn't stand it. 713 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,120 They have unloaded all their violence against him. 714 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,440 They stabbed him several times... 715 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,480 ...and they left him there... to die. 716 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,879 It was the old lady herself to call for help, 717 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,200 in the end they arrested them all. 718 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:55,599 It was a gang of kids, 719 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,840 like the ones my son is talking about he worked as a volunteer. 720 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,000 I also went in their neighborhood... 721 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:05,720 ...I don't know why. 722 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:07,720 Maybe... 723 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,480 ...what was I looking for... 724 01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,560 ...maybe know a little more about who had taken me... 725 01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:16,320 ...the person... 726 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,000 ...dearest to my heart. 727 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,120 It didn't do me any good to look evil... 728 01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,920 ...as she says... to nothing. 729 01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:38,160 - Did you try to talk to us? - No. 730 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,520 During the process, some of them wrote to me. 731 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,160 I've never read those letters... 732 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,240 ...but I didn't even destroy them... 733 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,840 ...I was afraid that in the letters I they asked for forgiveness. 734 01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:01,040 The pain and resentment I feel towards them... 735 01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,120 ...I need them. 736 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,520 They support me, they support me. 737 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:11,880 Do you understand me? 738 01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:18,200 I wanted to understand. I hoped to understand. 739 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,560 I just felt guilty of my resentment. 740 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,440 She...made me feel guilty. 741 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,800 She has every right to feel hatred and resentment... 742 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,520 ...it's legitimate, I understand, but... 743 01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,679 ..give yourself the opportunity to understand 744 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,040 how... a culprit arrived to do evil... 745 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,799 ...can be a way for victims not to get trapped in hatred 746 01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,959 that they feel. Without this, discredit their pain. 747 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:55,720 Only the words of the guilty... 748 01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:58,880 ...only the words of the guilty. 749 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,559 Because my son, the victim, does not speak no more. 750 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,039 I understand, madam, his son had... 751 01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,320 No, that's enough, sorry. 752 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:15,920 She is brave. 753 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,320 Let's move on to the reading. of the sentence. 754 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,399 The defendant is held accountable for the crimes of kidnapping 755 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,559 and murder of her sister Katia Zanetti, 756 01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,919 as well as attempted murder of the mother, 757 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,200 trying to strangle her and set it on fire. 758 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,599 To clarify the criminal plan of Mrs. Zanetti, 759 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,999 I add that it was pretended Attorney Damasio 760 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,679 to divert the family from selling of the house. 761 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,679 This court for so, taking into account the mitigating circumstances, 762 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,519 as presented in the report of Defense, 763 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,639 of proven partial incapacity to understand and want, 764 01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,399 certified by a malformation to the right frontal lobe of the skull, 765 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,120 compatible with amnesia... 766 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,199 ..Elisa Zanetti sentenced to a prison sentence of 20 years. 767 01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:37,319 The session is adjourned 768 01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,399 and the documents are filed at the disposal of the parties. 769 01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,320 Good morning. 770 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:14,920 Thank you. 771 01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,360 Thank you for accepting to see me again... 772 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,199 ...and sorry if I behaved so bad. 773 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,399 No, it's nothing... don't worry. 774 01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:26,400 Let's go. 775 01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:45,320 Come in. 776 01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,680 What I had inside was impossible to say. 777 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,160 Sometimes there are no more words. 778 01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:15,720 There are only facts left. 779 01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,640 "My idea wasn't to do them of evil, just to gain time." 780 01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,480 "My sister had to temporarily disappear." 781 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,920 "The hours passed, the days..." 782 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,800 "..and I said to myself: And now... and now?" 783 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,840 "Then I thought that I had to convince her..." 784 01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,360 "..reveal my plan, what I had thought." 785 01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:07,119 "And for once, just for once in my life," 786 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:11,000 "I tried to create an alliance, to ask for help." 787 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,560 "The problem is, when I reduced the dose of Lorazepam….” 788 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,760 "..to talk to her, she started to understand." 789 01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:22,840 "She was furious..." 790 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,080 "..he was ranting at me." 791 01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:28,440 "Then she calmed down..." 792 01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,759 "..and affectionate as she knew how to be she told me:" 793 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,520 "Elisa, you're not well, you need help..." 794 01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,880 "..let's go to dad's together and let's tell him the truth." 795 01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,279 "If he hadn't said this sentence, 796 01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,680 "it could be that it would still be alive... maybe." 797 01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,360 "I can't know." 798 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,920 "The fact is that the truth he wanted telling dad was..." 799 01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:56,640 "..that I was sick..." 800 01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,400 "..and this was not possible." 801 01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,000 "At that moment I gave in." 802 01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,040 "Katia had made the mistake to look at me..." 803 01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,480 "..and he saw me for that that I am." 804 01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,200 "At that moment I lost totally in control..." 805 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,240 "..and it all happened automatically." 806 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,880 "I wasn't realizing of what I did, is the truth." 807 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:28,920 "I just wanted her to shut up." 808 01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:32,160 "I didn't care about anything else." 809 01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,040 "I wanted him to stop talking." 810 01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,720 "I put my hands around her around the neck". 811 01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,360 Do you want me to read it? 812 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,320 I'll read it out loud because I think that... 813 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,840 ...it's important that you listen to what he has written. 814 01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:24,880 Do you agree? 815 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,839 "I put my hands around her around the neck," 816 01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,159 "she managed to free herself" 817 01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,920 "and she went out the back of the house." 818 01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,799 "I reached her, I put her hands around the neck again" 819 01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,040 "and I held tighter." 820 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,400 "So strong that when I left her go, he had lost consciousness." 821 01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:52,040 "Falling to the ground... he hit the head..." 822 01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,560 "..and I started to panic..." 823 01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,360 "..I tried to help her, but... she didn't react." 824 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,200 "I understood immediately that I had killed her." 825 01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,079 "Maybe at that moment, a part of me said to myself:" 826 01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,439 "Okay, let's try to save what can be saved. 827 01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:14,079 "Katia is gone now, the letter is in my father's hands," 828 01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:19,040 "maybe I can still turn it around the situation in my favor." 829 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,639 "There was a can of gasoline for the lawnmower," 830 01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,319 "I poured it over him," 831 01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:30,080 "then... I lit a cigarette and I threw it at him." 832 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:36,399 "She caught fire and I can't say if it lasted thirty seconds, 833 01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:40,680 "a minute, a minute and a half... I do not know." 834 01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,839 "I just know that during a brief moment," 835 01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,039 "as if I had woken up, I said to myself:" 836 01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:49,679 "What are you doing?" 837 01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:53,239 "Then I took the water hose to put out the fire, 838 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,079 "but it was too late." 839 01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,039 "I covered it with a cloth, 840 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,599 "one of the ones we used to cover the wood" 841 01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:02,080 "and I left." 842 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,799 "I came back home of my parents and there," 843 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:10,359 "a silence inside me that I don't have never heard again," 844 01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,240 "as if nothing had happened, not even failure." 845 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,280 "Suddenly... everything was intact." 846 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,120 He watched it burn. 847 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:32,560 Yes. 848 01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:35,480 Was he screaming? 849 01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:39,560 No. 850 01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:45,320 Of course, he had lost consciousness... right? 851 01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:50,920 I pray every day that it wasn't... 852 01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,280 ...that she wasn't still alive. 853 01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,480 That he didn't hear anything. 854 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,720 His testimony is precious... 855 01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,040 ...but I think we should build a new story. 856 01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,800 Starting from the fact that now she... remembers 857 01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:22,360 ...and... 858 01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:27,040 ...maybe it's possible that... I have always remembered. 859 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:29,960 There is no amnesia. 860 01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:33,520 I wanted to kill her... 861 01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:36,760 ...I wanted to do it. 862 01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,040 When he says I'm changing... 863 01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,640 ...I would really like to be able to believe. 864 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,040 Because I don't like that that I was... 865 01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:57,560 ...in conclusion... 866 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,080 ...I don't like that one either that I am today. 867 01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:09,480 Listen. 868 01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:15,040 Even if there are some inconsistencies, she started to tell her story. 869 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,439 The more we try to understand together what happened, 870 01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:22,000 the more she will be able to look after you... 871 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,680 ..without running away from his responsibilities... 872 01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:30,000 ..without being constantly overwhelmed by guilt... 873 01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,360 ..which is right for her to feel. 874 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,239 And so, in the end... 875 01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,200 ..will be able to honor the memory of his sister. 876 01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,360 {\an8} 877 01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:00,400 Subtitles by SKY ITALIA