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AN ORIGINAL DOCUMENTARY FROM NETFLIX
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AVAILABLE ROOMS
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They couldn't hear me.
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They couldn't see me.
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But I could hear and see them.
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OFFICE
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It has been a secret for 47 years.
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No one can undo it.
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Certainly.
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Many will call me a pervert…
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Window viewer.
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I am prepared for that.
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But I have to tell someone
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because I didn't want to die
and let all be lost.
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The beginning...
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...must grab the reader's attention.
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First page, paragraph and sentence.
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How do you start?
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I had worked as a reporter
since I was 15.
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Now I am 80 years old.
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I have throughout my life
lived through other people's experiences
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and was an accurate portrayer.
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An observer.
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Which considers others. Listening.
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I take my time
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and care about the people
which I write about
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because I see something in them
that I can recognize myself in.
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I live in a nice terraced house.
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In a densely populated area
in East Manhattan.
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I am always well dressed.
Clothes make a difference.
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Dad was a tailor and always well dressed.
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As a child I had clothes made for me.
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Dad was a proud tailor
and I became a haughty journalist.
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I have a converted wine cellar.
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A "bunker".
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There is probably 50 years of research here
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driven by endless curiosity.
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I can see who I was with,
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who I had dinner with, where I was.
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Everything is there.
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So little written!
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I have filed everything chronologically.
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"Gay Talese, -53,
running boy, New York Times.”
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Here we have the 60s, -66.
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Here's the Sinatra thing and Joe DiMaggio...
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I have all my articles,
as well as notes.
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I keep everything.
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THE LIFE OF AN AUTHOR
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Some of the boxes testify to
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gathered material as time suffices
ended up in books and magazines.
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Everything is valuable.
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You learn even when you are not writing.
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Now I'm ready for a gin martini.
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It never ends.
The stories never die.
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Many reporters believe that when they are done,
then it's all over.
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Sometimes it has only just begun.
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MOTEL
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I'm working on it
a story about Gerald Foos
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who decided to buy a motel
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with the clear purpose
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to monitor all that
as people did in private rooms.
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He could see what people were doing in their rooms
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by looking down through the vents
which gave him access to everything
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where he sat crouching.
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It is absolutely incredible.
You can't make it up.
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You can't make it up.
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- Shall we start?
- The camera is rolling.
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Gerald, when do you think you became a voyeur?
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I grew up in
a sexually isolated environment.
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Yes.
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Mom and Dad didn't tell anything about sex.
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I had to learn on my own.
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I knew there was more to life…
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...and more with sex.
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I knew there had to be more.
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I told Donna I was a voyeur.
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She said, "That's what window peepers are called, isn't it?"
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I said, “Yes.
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But I call it voyeurism.”
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I said, "I want a laboratory."
She said, "What?"
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I said, “I want to buy a laboratory.
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I think I know how,
but it has to be foolproof
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in case someone finds out."
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It was a tourist route.
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Those were the kind of people
who lived there.
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Yes.
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I didn't find the right place
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and suddenly I discovered the Manor House.
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Manor House Motel.
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I looked at the motel
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and fell for it
because that was exactly what I wanted.
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Describe what the motel looked like.
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It had a steep roof
and I could walk along the middle.
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There I decided
to build the observation platform.
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- Okay.
- It took a year.
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- Yes.
- Because I didn't want to make any mistakes.
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I said, “I get to build most of it
on your own
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for no one shall know what I do."
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I thought to myself
some kind of ventilation grill.
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- Yes.
- Heat ventilation.
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But I focused on something completely private,
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so that they could not hear me
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or see me,
while I could hear and see them.
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You and Donna owned it together
until she died.
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Your marriage to Anita Clark...
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She did the job just as well
as your first wife.
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The great thing is that you found
two cooperative women.
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You could perhaps say
that God was involved.
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I connect most things to God.
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How powerful one must be
to create a universe?
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I like the idea of a higher being.
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He can do this...
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...then it disappears.
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Gone.
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It suits me to write about a voyeur
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because I am one myself.
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As a writer
I want to get into other people's lives.
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I decide how the story is told,
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how it is shaded, colored and choreographed.
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And here we have a cuckoo
who decides to
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to build a cathedral,
a little fantasy motel.
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He thinks he will see
amazing things,
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a sexual circus every single night of the week.
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Our acquaintance began with a letter.
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I received it on January 7, 1980.
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"Dear Mr. Talese,
since I heard about your study
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about sex from coast to coast in the United States
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which will be published
in Thy Neighbor's Wife,
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so I have felt
that I can contribute information to it
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or future books."
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The letter continues.
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He concludes with:
"You can contact me at this address."
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I definitely wanted to know more about him.
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I have great respect for Gay.
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We have a good and trusting relationship.
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He was like a god to me.
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Mr. Talese is one of America's prides.
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He has written The power and the Glory,
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which was published in the New York Times.
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You wrote the mob book, Honor Thy Father.
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- How do I take care of myself?
- That's right.
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Now you're back with Thy Neighbor's Wife,
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an eight-year study of sex in America.
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This will be the most talked about book of the decade.
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You visited a place called Sandstone?
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A nudist community in Los Angeles.
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You watched people and stuff?
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More than that. I mean...
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You know what jokes you're going to hear
in talk shows.
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It starts here.
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I became a resident writer
in a sexually liberated society.
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We had sex with other people.
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How did it affect your sex life at home?
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Was it...
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My wife was not happy, as you can understand.
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We have daughters.
We were well known in the community.
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It was as if I did
a reprehensible thing.
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Health at Nan Talese. Mrs. Talese.
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What I disliked was the writings about it.
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TALES'S SEX JOURNEY
A DIRTY BOOK
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And I wanted to protect Catherine and Pamela,
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so that they would not be harmed by it.
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I looked at myself
as standing at the front door,
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with arms out
to not let them into our house.
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Is it the end of Gay's sex research?
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It's not up to me.
He does what feels right to do.
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I sold my soul, if you will.
It settles.
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I would have done anything
for the story.
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I had to do it,
to write it down.
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I was there. I participated.
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I didn't sit next to you with the press card
around my naked body.
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It was no big deal,
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because I always have
a different self-concept.
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I wanted the truth,
and in this book, as a reporter,
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I got the truth.
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How to get it?
You have to participate and be there.
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Don't listen to what people say.
See what they do.
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Year 1980
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I flew to meet him.
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I wanted to make sure
that he did not lie.
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I would be a voyeur with the voyeur.
I would become his companion.
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One evening I got up and looked.
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He said, "Follow along."
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Via the warehouse,
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up the steps to a ledge.
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There is a locked door.
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The attic door. He had the only key.
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We went in and he locked the door behind me.
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Lights were seen in some places.
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The sound of television sets.
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Voices.
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He leaned forward in a bright place...
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...and pointed down
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and we saw a very handsome couple
who had oral sex.
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He did like this.
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I leaned further and further forward
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and looked attentively.
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Then I felt a hand on my neck.
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It was the voyeur that pulled me up,
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quiet but firm.
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I looked at him.
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And my damn red silk tie
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was only half a meter from the woman's head
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when she sucked the guy on the bed.
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Crikey!
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He said: "Be careful with the tie."
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I couldn't write about him
without using his name.
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There is no point
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to write about privacy
without using real names.
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Then you can write fiction.
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He didn't want to,
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but he continued the collaboration with me.
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It has continued for over 30 years.
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I'll see what I find.
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Letter. I have copies of all of them.
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The problem in journalism is
that it is about too short a time.
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Reporters talk to people
and never meet them again.
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Short interviews.
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But I like to keep in touch
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because there is a chance
that one a few decades later
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may meet them again
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and find out what happened since the last time.
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I called him and said:
"I think you're ready for this."
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He said: “I sold the motel in 1997.
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It is probably time-barred.
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Most of them are dead anyway.
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I'm 78..."
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I said, "I'm 80,
so hurry if you want to do it
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for soon we will both be gone."
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An extract from the story of Gerald Foos
will be published in New Yorker
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and then comes Grove Atlantic
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to publish a book.
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Hello.
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Susan Morrison, you are so famous!
As long as you don't ask the guys down there.
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The guys at the front desk
had never heard of the New Yorker.
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His name is Foos, Gerald Foos. F-O-O-S.
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He was never caught.
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- Did you meet after Thy Neighbor's Wife?
- When I was done with it.
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The book was mentioned in newspapers.
I got a lot of publicity.
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He happened to read something in the Denver Post.
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And he is still interested…
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Yeah, I just can't…
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I don't want to go any further
until it's done, because…
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...I don't want him to die.
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- How old is he?
- 78.
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I'm 81, so I should think about…
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Soon one of us will die,
so I want to finish first.
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What worries me is
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that if I tell the reader
that I watched...
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I saw some sex, but... I'm so blasé.
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But if I write that I saw nothing
the reader loses interest.
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- Don't worry.
- That's all.
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I'm glad you didn't see more than that
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because it could seem too unpleasant.
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He is not unpleasant.
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I really have to explain that.
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He is rideable.
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One could have believed
that he works at a car company
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or in the insurance industry.
He is like anyone else.
261
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That's all.
262
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Gerald, tell me how you became a voyeur.
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My parents and I were on a farm
east of Ault in Colorado.
264
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We lived opposite
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mother's sister, Katheryn Eckhart.
266
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She was younger and had a different body shape
267
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and she had freckles.
268
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I didn't really know what freckles were,
but I wanted to find out.
269
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So she was a very attractive woman?
270
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She was beautiful.
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In my eyes
She was the most beautiful woman I had ever seen.
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- So?
- Yes, she was.
273
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I had enough
went to bed at nine o'clock.
274
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I sat on the edge of the bed
and felt a sudden desire.
275
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I went to the window and looked out
276
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and it felt like an attraction.
277
00:17:27,989 --> 00:17:32,296
I looked straight into Aunt Katheryn's bedroom.
278
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A mysterious force took over the whole body.
279
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I think it was due to puberty.
280
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The window called to me.
281
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Beaming. The window called.
282
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I don't know...
It can probably be described in other words.
283
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No, it's perfect.
You are a poet without knowing it.
284
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You come up with something.
285
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No, it is not necessary.
That's the best word.
286
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"The window called", right?
287
00:18:01,856 --> 00:18:04,016
Anita, surely that is a good word?
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I got to the window.
289
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- At that time, no one pulled down the blinds.
- I didn't know that. Is that right?
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- There was a mirror.
- Mirror?
291
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I could look at the mirror
292
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and see everything she did in her room.
293
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Her hair was red and beautiful.
Pubic hair was…
294
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- Red.
- Very much, and she had big breasts.
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My God.
296
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For that reason
I have become breast fixated.
297
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No talk about it.
298
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And then you started masturbating?
299
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She is the main character in your masturbation dreams.
300
00:18:41,646 --> 00:18:42,783
They will say:
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"Great! Is that how the voyeur started?
Was that why…”
302
00:18:46,817 --> 00:18:50,500
Psychiatrists will consider…
303
00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:52,877
You become famous
in every single medical journal.
304
00:18:52,907 --> 00:18:56,339
They might want to talk to me,
but then I say: Well...
305
00:18:56,369 --> 00:18:59,759
...open the wallet, and we can talk.
306
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Only if I get paid.”
307
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No bad...
You are very American.
308
00:19:07,088 --> 00:19:09,373
When you contacted me
309
00:19:10,049 --> 00:19:11,729
did you write a long letter
310
00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,691
and told
that you wanted to share it with me,
311
00:19:15,721 --> 00:19:18,986
but you didn't want to
that I should write about you.
312
00:19:19,016 --> 00:19:20,926
That was our agreement.
313
00:19:21,936 --> 00:19:24,847
So why did you write to me?
314
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I probably wanted to be widely known
315
00:19:30,361 --> 00:19:35,002
because I did something
which no one else had managed.
316
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- Or even thought about.
- And I hoped they wouldn't
317
00:19:38,995 --> 00:19:41,092
just wanted to see me
318
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like a perverted window viewer.
319
00:19:44,584 --> 00:19:48,432
Because I wasn't.
I was actually a researcher.
320
00:19:48,462 --> 00:19:51,018
How often did I tell you that?
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00:19:51,048 --> 00:19:51,936
Often.
322
00:19:51,966 --> 00:19:55,002
I said I was a researcher
and I believe that.
323
00:19:59,181 --> 00:20:01,153
We said to Gay, “We want you
324
00:20:01,183 --> 00:20:05,324
trying to get Foos
to reflect on it all.
325
00:20:05,354 --> 00:20:09,579
Did he have any concerns?
Why did he want to tell?
326
00:20:09,609 --> 00:20:11,706
What did he think he contributed?"
327
00:20:11,736 --> 00:20:14,709
He saw himself as a scientist.
328
00:20:14,739 --> 00:20:16,085
A ridiculous claim.
329
00:20:16,115 --> 00:20:21,924
I have never doubted
that Foos has serious problems.
330
00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:28,035
A sociopath
who just wanted attention.
331
00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:30,182
THE JOURNALS OF THE VOYEUR
332
00:20:30,212 --> 00:20:35,813
But as a whole, it's like Foos
has been producing for decades
333
00:20:35,843 --> 00:20:38,337
extremely fascinating.
334
00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:41,652
It is full of strange details.
335
00:20:41,682 --> 00:20:44,864
It's a fantastic picture
of the state of the United States
336
00:20:44,894 --> 00:20:49,327
which is interesting
and remarkable in itself.
337
00:20:49,357 --> 00:20:51,329
HANDWRITTEN OBSERVATIONS OF FOOS.
338
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,750
In 1980, he promised
to show me all those pages
339
00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:59,462
which he had written in ruled blocks.
340
00:20:59,492 --> 00:21:04,550
"About 35 years old, white male,
178 cm, 80 kg, white-collar worker.
341
00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:08,929
Wife, 35 years, 163 cm, slim, dark hair.
342
00:21:08,959 --> 00:21:11,057
Possibly of Italian descent. Educated."
343
00:21:11,087 --> 00:21:12,767
Someone new moves in.
344
00:21:12,797 --> 00:21:14,560
"Unknown woman.
345
00:21:14,590 --> 00:21:17,605
30 year old black male. Unknown occupation."
346
00:21:17,635 --> 00:21:18,856
Here we have some sex.
347
00:21:18,886 --> 00:21:21,400
Sometimes these kinds of overviews come along.
348
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:24,403
“Oral sex without intercourse, five.
349
00:21:24,433 --> 00:21:26,072
Intercourse only, 29.
350
00:21:26,102 --> 00:21:29,325
Only masturbation, 1.
Male orgasms, 35.
351
00:21:29,355 --> 00:21:30,993
Female orgasms, seven."
352
00:21:31,023 --> 00:21:34,184
It shows
that women don't have much fun.
353
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:44,236
You were looking at between 2000
and 3,000 people a year.
354
00:21:45,913 --> 00:21:49,783
- You put in a lot of time.
- I sat there until dawn.
355
00:21:52,712 --> 00:21:55,518
Donna used to come up with a Coke.
356
00:21:55,548 --> 00:21:57,853
- Sometimes she brought a sandwich.
- Okay.
357
00:21:57,883 --> 00:21:58,979
She knew I was there.
358
00:21:59,009 --> 00:22:02,296
“Poor Gerald is up there
and he has not eaten."
359
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,570
You can only masturbate
a couple of times a night.
360
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,428
As a young person, you can do it
three, four, five times.
361
00:22:10,688 --> 00:22:13,390
I became interested in certain people.
362
00:22:14,525 --> 00:22:16,414
DOCTOR AND NURSE
363
00:22:16,444 --> 00:22:19,438
I knew of course
who were in the rooms.
364
00:22:19,905 --> 00:22:23,879
I tried to keep them
by offering good prices.
365
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:24,839
MARRIED COUPLE FROM MONTANA
366
00:22:24,869 --> 00:22:28,342
Once he looked at a nice couple.
367
00:22:28,372 --> 00:22:30,094
25-YEAR-OLD WAREHOUSE WORKER
STYLISH
368
00:22:30,124 --> 00:22:33,035
22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN
SLIM WAIST
369
00:22:38,674 --> 00:22:41,794
He's really looking forward
370
00:22:42,261 --> 00:22:45,547
a really good sex show.
371
00:22:46,807 --> 00:22:50,094
When they are about to undress,
372
00:22:50,811 --> 00:22:52,763
then the guy switches off
373
00:22:53,272 --> 00:22:55,619
and turns off the television set.
374
00:22:55,649 --> 00:22:59,874
The voyeur is not only disappointed.
He is angry.
375
00:22:59,904 --> 00:23:03,335
They have failed him. And what does he do?
376
00:23:03,365 --> 00:23:05,859
I climbed down and jumped into the car.
377
00:23:06,243 --> 00:23:12,157
He turns on the headlights
and parks outside the window.
378
00:23:13,334 --> 00:23:16,161
He climbs up and now he can see them.
379
00:23:22,593 --> 00:23:26,859
The guy sees the headlights
outside the extended window
380
00:23:26,889 --> 00:23:30,259
and says:
"Some idiot left the headlights on."
381
00:23:34,563 --> 00:23:39,079
When he writes, he often refers
to himself in the third person.
382
00:23:39,109 --> 00:23:40,706
THE VOYEUR LOOKED AT THE WOMAN
383
00:23:40,736 --> 00:23:41,999
THE VOYEUR
384
00:23:42,029 --> 00:23:48,130
On the observation platform
is the voyeur as its own being.
385
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,114
I think we exist side by side.
386
00:23:53,749 --> 00:23:56,472
All the hours you put in...
387
00:23:56,502 --> 00:23:59,683
It's not like watching
Way down the throat.
388
00:23:59,713 --> 00:24:01,749
It's not hardcore.
389
00:24:02,091 --> 00:24:05,878
You get to see sex,
but not as often as one might think.
390
00:24:08,556 --> 00:24:10,444
It's not boring.
391
00:24:10,474 --> 00:24:13,719
It's actually worse than that.
It's real.
392
00:24:14,853 --> 00:24:16,597
Life is tiring.
393
00:24:17,481 --> 00:24:21,810
It's people
which gives expression to life's lead.
394
00:24:23,028 --> 00:24:24,917
He writes down even the boring stuff
395
00:24:24,947 --> 00:24:27,524
and that is the very value of it all.
396
00:24:28,576 --> 00:24:31,840
Among hundreds of stories
397
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:36,095
there are some
where people behave rather strangely.
398
00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:38,681
Once the cleaning lady came and said:
399
00:24:38,711 --> 00:24:41,392
"There must be
a sheep in one of therooms
400
00:24:41,422 --> 00:24:43,040
for I hear belching."
401
00:24:43,507 --> 00:24:47,273
So he climbs up and sees two men.
402
00:24:47,303 --> 00:24:49,233
One is dressed as a sheep
403
00:24:49,263 --> 00:24:52,174
and the other lies on top,
and they have sixs
404
00:24:52,641 --> 00:24:55,344
and he sounds like a sheep.
405
00:24:55,978 --> 00:25:01,225
Once someone came to the motel
with a bucket of chicken
406
00:25:01,775 --> 00:25:04,061
from KFC.
407
00:25:05,571 --> 00:25:10,921
He sat down on the bed,
brought out this many napkins
408
00:25:10,951 --> 00:25:13,716
and put them on the edge of the bed,
409
00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:17,344
then he started eating the chicken.
410
00:25:17,374 --> 00:25:19,430
Sometimes I got hungry.
411
00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:21,974
He obviously got messy.
412
00:25:22,004 --> 00:25:26,333
So he wiped his hands on the bedspread.
413
00:25:28,218 --> 00:25:30,899
He up there got angry and said: "You bastard!"
414
00:25:30,929 --> 00:25:31,900
You bastard!
415
00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:33,632
He said, "Who was that?"
416
00:25:34,058 --> 00:25:35,404
He went to the window,
417
00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:38,365
pulled back the curtain
and looked in one direction
418
00:25:38,395 --> 00:25:40,556
and then ate the second.
419
00:25:40,981 --> 00:25:42,578
No one there.
420
00:25:42,608 --> 00:25:46,228
He was not caught. It was the only time
as he lost his head.
421
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:50,127
What annoyed me the most were dogs.
422
00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:52,568
I hated when they were in the rooms.
423
00:25:52,951 --> 00:25:55,466
He sits up there completely silent,
424
00:25:55,496 --> 00:25:57,593
almost without breathing,
425
00:25:57,623 --> 00:26:00,054
and it came to pass that dogs…
426
00:26:00,084 --> 00:26:02,264
They sat and watched.
427
00:26:02,294 --> 00:26:07,249
He heard everything.
The little rascal knew about it.
428
00:26:10,219 --> 00:26:13,714
It happened that I became depressed,
because this is how it was...
429
00:26:15,391 --> 00:26:19,344
I climbed up in the evening
and moved between the rooms.
430
00:26:20,229 --> 00:26:27,269
The only thing I heard was
screaming, shouting, complaining and swearing.
431
00:26:28,612 --> 00:26:31,126
That sort of thing bothers me.
432
00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:35,172
By watching people
who did inappropriatethings
433
00:26:35,202 --> 00:26:39,635
I began to dislike many.
434
00:26:39,665 --> 00:26:45,329
He became quite cynical.
He wanted to deceive people.
435
00:26:47,089 --> 00:26:50,479
I started by planting dildos.
436
00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:52,398
THE VOYEUR BOUGHT FIFTY DILDOS
437
00:26:52,428 --> 00:26:55,818
In addition to the Bible that usually lies
on one side of the bed
438
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,612
the voyeur placed porn magazines.
439
00:26:58,642 --> 00:27:02,908
I wanted to find out
if they were to use the stuff
440
00:27:02,938 --> 00:27:04,410
or come to the office and say:
441
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,663
"Clean the rooms properly.
Get a cleaning lady."
442
00:27:07,693 --> 00:27:10,520
A couple of women and men did.
443
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,398
But the women who used the stuff?
444
00:27:14,825 --> 00:27:16,547
It was another five.
445
00:27:16,577 --> 00:27:17,548
THE EXPERIMENT
446
00:27:17,578 --> 00:27:20,092
Gerald Foos conducted a test
447
00:27:20,122 --> 00:27:25,472
where he left a small suitcase
in the wardrobe in one of the 12 rooms
448
00:27:25,502 --> 00:27:29,601
and when the guests arrived and checked in
449
00:27:29,631 --> 00:27:33,126
the voyeur picked up the phone
and talked to his wife.
450
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:37,818
“I got a call from someone
who forgot a bag with 1000 dollars
451
00:27:37,848 --> 00:27:39,319
in one of the rooms.
452
00:27:39,349 --> 00:27:42,656
Do you know if anyone has found it?”
453
00:27:42,686 --> 00:27:44,575
So they went to their room.
454
00:27:44,605 --> 00:27:47,369
When they hung up the clothes, they saw the bag.
455
00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:50,914
The lock was small and easy to break open.
456
00:27:50,944 --> 00:27:55,085
I sat up there and watched them.
457
00:27:55,115 --> 00:27:57,504
And they broke the damn lock.
458
00:27:57,534 --> 00:28:00,215
Now they had to
to get rid of the bag.
459
00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:03,218
They smuggled it out of the room,
460
00:28:03,248 --> 00:28:06,221
put it in the tailgate and drove off with it.
461
00:28:06,251 --> 00:28:10,706
One person threw it out
through the bathroom window.
462
00:28:17,471 --> 00:28:20,799
You are so beautiful.
The handsome gentleman's name is Tony.
463
00:28:21,183 --> 00:28:22,780
- Hello!
- What are you going to do?
464
00:28:22,810 --> 00:28:24,720
A large part of the time
465
00:28:26,522 --> 00:28:28,223
as a voyeur lays down
466
00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:32,436
driven by anticipation.
467
00:28:35,739 --> 00:28:40,444
One hopes they will do something
that makes it feel worth it.
468
00:28:42,162 --> 00:28:43,926
You invest a lot of time
469
00:28:43,956 --> 00:28:46,220
and get very little for it,
470
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:50,037
but once in a while
witnessing a murder.
471
00:28:52,172 --> 00:28:56,605
I worry too much
and I foresaw things.
472
00:28:56,635 --> 00:29:01,131
I might be seen as an accomplice.
473
00:29:04,101 --> 00:29:10,640
I sat and observed
and saw a white man and a white woman.
474
00:29:11,316 --> 00:29:12,788
He was a drug dealer.
475
00:29:12,818 --> 00:29:15,249
SMALL-SCALE DRUG DEALER AND FRIEND
476
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:19,691
I saw him selling drugs to youths.
477
00:29:20,826 --> 00:29:24,842
He hid it in a vent.
478
00:29:24,872 --> 00:29:27,783
He unscrewed the grille and put it there.
479
00:29:29,877 --> 00:29:32,057
He had his warehouse there.
480
00:29:32,087 --> 00:29:33,100
SELLING DRUGS
481
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:36,103
The voyeur who had a son with a drug problem
482
00:29:36,133 --> 00:29:38,585
got angry when he saw drugs being sold.
483
00:29:39,011 --> 00:29:42,881
Guess what I did
when he left the room.
484
00:29:44,099 --> 00:29:46,822
I unscrewed the grille, took the drug
485
00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:48,970
and flushed it down the toilet.
486
00:29:50,522 --> 00:29:53,934
When he came back that evening
he went there and...
487
00:29:57,821 --> 00:30:01,461
When he picked up the bag
and saw that it was empty
488
00:30:01,491 --> 00:30:03,130
he started accusing people.
489
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,903
"Who the hell has been here?"
490
00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:08,594
The only one who knew about the hiding place
was the girlfriend.
491
00:30:08,624 --> 00:30:11,972
He accuses her and she denies,
492
00:30:12,002 --> 00:30:13,807
but it must have been her.
493
00:30:13,837 --> 00:30:16,456
Who else?
"It wasn't me." "Yes."
494
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,188
She says, "I don't know anything."
495
00:30:19,218 --> 00:30:21,503
He starts hitting her.
496
00:30:22,763 --> 00:30:25,068
IT GOT VIOLENT DURING THE VOYEUR.
497
00:30:25,098 --> 00:30:27,571
She stood up and came close to him.
498
00:30:27,601 --> 00:30:31,054
He hits her. "Where is it?"
He gets a leg kick.
499
00:30:32,522 --> 00:30:34,099
He went completely crazy.
500
00:30:34,524 --> 00:30:37,998
He grabbed his throat
and tried to strangle her.
501
00:30:38,028 --> 00:30:40,083
He just kept going.
502
00:30:40,113 --> 00:30:43,775
I thought, "Come on, let her go."
503
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:47,841
Soon he stopped
and she fell to the floor.
504
00:30:47,871 --> 00:30:51,199
SHE FELL UNCONSCIOUS TO THE FLOOR.
505
00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:56,163
She ended up right under me.
506
00:30:57,756 --> 00:30:59,478
I can swear to it
507
00:30:59,508 --> 00:31:03,732
that I saw the chest
move up and down.
508
00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:08,049
He got angry
and started throwing things around.
509
00:31:08,517 --> 00:31:11,281
He picked up her bag,
emptied it on the bed
510
00:31:11,311 --> 00:31:13,555
and took all her money.
511
00:31:14,439 --> 00:31:17,184
Out the door, into the car and gone.
512
00:31:25,409 --> 00:31:29,029
The voyeur sat there and saw everything
513
00:31:29,788 --> 00:31:31,948
without doing anything.
514
00:31:32,332 --> 00:31:38,433
He was motionless and confused.
Petrified and passive.
515
00:31:38,463 --> 00:31:41,311
I looked and I swear...
516
00:31:41,341 --> 00:31:44,920
I promise and swear
that I saw the chest moving.
517
00:31:45,887 --> 00:31:48,235
And I thought: "She'll be fine."
518
00:31:48,265 --> 00:31:51,113
THE VOYEUR WAS CONFIDENT
THAT THE WOMAN HAD SURVIVED.
519
00:31:51,143 --> 00:31:52,155
So I stuck.
520
00:31:52,185 --> 00:31:56,765
I felt so bad
that I quit for the evening.
521
00:32:02,946 --> 00:32:06,378
Next morning the cleaning lady came
522
00:32:06,408 --> 00:32:09,381
and I watched as she went through the rooms.
523
00:32:09,411 --> 00:32:12,134
Soon she came to that room.
524
00:32:12,164 --> 00:32:15,033
She opened the door and stepped inside.
525
00:32:18,962 --> 00:32:21,935
Suddenly she ran out
and I said, “Oh no.”
526
00:32:21,965 --> 00:32:24,646
She came into the office and said, “Gerald…
527
00:32:24,676 --> 00:32:28,025
I think the woman in room ten is dead.”
528
00:32:28,055 --> 00:32:31,987
Donna came in and said, "She's dead, Gerald."
529
00:32:32,017 --> 00:32:34,114
DEATH IN ROOM NUMBER TEN
530
00:32:34,144 --> 00:32:35,595
The police came...
531
00:32:36,688 --> 00:32:39,683
Soon the coroner arrived in his little van.
532
00:32:40,067 --> 00:32:41,434
I thought:
533
00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:45,542
- "I'm sick." Do you understand?
- Yes.
534
00:32:45,572 --> 00:32:48,858
"It could be my fault."
535
00:32:54,122 --> 00:32:58,347
We have an agreement. Gerald Foos
and I have a deal.
536
00:32:58,377 --> 00:33:02,497
I tell the truth, he lives with it.
537
00:33:04,257 --> 00:33:06,980
He no longer owns the motel.
538
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:11,777
In 1997 he sold it
to an unknowing Korean family.
539
00:33:11,807 --> 00:33:15,947
When he sold it, he made sure
to take the magic valves with him.
540
00:33:15,977 --> 00:33:18,325
He said it was all covered up.
541
00:33:18,355 --> 00:33:21,725
That looks pretty sloppy.
542
00:33:24,027 --> 00:33:30,650
Certain situations could lead to
that I end up in prison.
543
00:33:31,159 --> 00:33:34,779
I feel anxious and nervous.
544
00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:40,347
When we started talking a year ago
We thought it was time
545
00:33:40,377 --> 00:33:44,059
because it may be time-barred.
546
00:33:44,089 --> 00:33:47,334
But now I have found out something new...
547
00:33:49,886 --> 00:33:53,235
But they're prosecuting me, not you.
548
00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:55,362
- Because I...
- You say that...
549
00:33:55,392 --> 00:33:57,781
This letter that you wrote to me…
550
00:33:57,811 --> 00:33:58,949
I read it this morning.
551
00:33:58,979 --> 00:34:01,201
In the letter you warn me about
552
00:34:01,231 --> 00:34:04,454
that you don't want to
that the motel's name is published.
553
00:34:04,484 --> 00:34:06,206
You write that if that happens,
554
00:34:06,236 --> 00:34:08,375
so can the Korean who has no idea
555
00:34:08,405 --> 00:34:12,712
lose guests,
which may lead to damages.
556
00:34:12,742 --> 00:34:16,780
I also write about
what is happening with Anita and me.
557
00:34:18,582 --> 00:34:22,180
One would believe
that I reached him.
558
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:25,997
I hadn't spoken to him
without permission.
559
00:34:27,215 --> 00:34:30,063
Nothing would have happened,
as for over 30 years.
560
00:34:30,093 --> 00:34:31,648
I haven't changed my mind.
561
00:34:31,678 --> 00:34:36,174
But he suddenly forgets
what we have agreed upon.
562
00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:43,410
If there is no trust
between you and the source,
563
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,475
then you have big problems.
564
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,208
When you have won someone's trust
565
00:34:50,238 --> 00:34:53,900
one must have a lot of patience.
566
00:34:54,701 --> 00:34:57,674
You don't want to make the person's life
567
00:34:57,704 --> 00:34:59,989
harder than it already is.
568
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:07,601
- Jerry, I've been doing this all my life.
- I know.
569
00:35:07,631 --> 00:35:09,207
It comes naturally.
570
00:35:09,758 --> 00:35:11,376
There she is.
571
00:35:11,968 --> 00:35:18,403
Anita was married to a truck driver.
572
00:35:18,433 --> 00:35:20,280
He was raw.
573
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:23,346
She had two children
and one of them was disabled.
574
00:35:24,147 --> 00:35:27,329
So both the lives of Gerald's two wives
575
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:32,334
and his own life
bordered by sorrow and sickness.
576
00:35:32,364 --> 00:35:38,507
When you think about
what they have to their advantage
577
00:35:38,537 --> 00:35:40,155
you don't come up with much.
578
00:35:44,709 --> 00:35:46,661
I turn it off.
579
00:35:47,254 --> 00:35:50,582
We have several alarm systems as protection.
580
00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:52,979
And... Enter.
581
00:35:53,009 --> 00:35:54,814
Do you have a surveillance camera?
582
00:35:54,844 --> 00:35:57,317
No, I haven't.
583
00:35:57,347 --> 00:35:58,548
What a pity.
584
00:36:01,685 --> 00:36:04,157
Anita and I have no housekeepers.
585
00:36:04,187 --> 00:36:05,659
That's not why we're here.
586
00:36:05,689 --> 00:36:08,495
We can start with the Barbie dolls, shall we?
587
00:36:08,525 --> 00:36:09,725
Okay.
588
00:36:10,277 --> 00:36:12,520
These dolls are interesting.
589
00:36:12,946 --> 00:36:15,502
His obsession is extreme.
590
00:36:15,532 --> 00:36:19,798
Here are the coins that Anita has collected this year.
591
00:36:19,828 --> 00:36:21,091
Crikey!
592
00:36:21,121 --> 00:36:23,552
As a child he noticed both
593
00:36:23,582 --> 00:36:26,096
that the aunt's body was beautiful
594
00:36:26,126 --> 00:36:27,869
and that she collected things.
595
00:36:28,253 --> 00:36:29,724
This is my stamp collection.
596
00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:32,811
- This box. And this one,
- My God!
597
00:36:32,841 --> 00:36:36,147
He said to his mother
that he wanted to start collecting things
598
00:36:36,177 --> 00:36:37,941
like his beautiful aunt Katheryn.
599
00:36:37,971 --> 00:36:42,279
It started his lifelong hobby of collecting.
600
00:36:42,309 --> 00:36:44,990
Here I have two Luger pistols.
601
00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:47,033
Motel owners must be armed.
602
00:36:47,063 --> 00:36:49,516
I am always armed.
603
00:36:50,358 --> 00:36:54,729
The basement looks like a museum.
604
00:36:55,405 --> 00:36:58,086
How many cards do you have?
605
00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:00,046
Two to three million.
606
00:37:00,076 --> 00:37:01,214
- Cards?
- Cards.
607
00:37:01,244 --> 00:37:03,883
There lies a million
which I have never checked.
608
00:37:03,913 --> 00:37:04,801
Crikey!
609
00:37:04,831 --> 00:37:07,242
I don't even know what they contain.
610
00:37:08,084 --> 00:37:11,141
He wanted to tell, among other things
611
00:37:11,171 --> 00:37:12,309
to get attention
612
00:37:12,339 --> 00:37:16,271
and be able to brag about your sports collection
613
00:37:16,301 --> 00:37:17,981
which he wanted to sell.
614
00:37:18,011 --> 00:37:20,859
These cards
make us multi-millionaires.
615
00:37:20,889 --> 00:37:22,757
Just the cards themselves.
616
00:37:23,516 --> 00:37:26,448
This Mickey Mantle card
617
00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:30,410
can be worth anything between 200
and a million dollars.
618
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,872
Once upon a time
I had more than a thousand.
619
00:37:33,902 --> 00:37:38,335
He throws out a lot of prizes
and I don't know if he's crazy.
620
00:37:38,365 --> 00:37:41,212
I am not a collector per se.
621
00:37:41,242 --> 00:37:43,923
This card could be worth 500000.
622
00:37:43,953 --> 00:37:45,634
- My God.
- Maybe more.
623
00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:47,135
Who is that?
624
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:49,763
How would I know what they are worth?
625
00:37:49,793 --> 00:37:51,806
How do I know he's not exaggerating?
626
00:37:51,836 --> 00:37:53,036
I don't know.
627
00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:56,394
But if I see him as a prattle,
628
00:37:56,424 --> 00:38:00,690
that could be due to
that I believed what he saw.
629
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,592
What you must know in this life is
which decisions one should and should not make.
630
00:38:06,184 --> 00:38:09,699
I can attest
that the description of the room was correct.
631
00:38:09,729 --> 00:38:13,182
I know the wind...
I was there and saw it.
632
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:19,876
But he has told the rest
and he is my only source.
633
00:38:19,906 --> 00:38:22,734
It is unwise to have only one source.
634
00:38:36,172 --> 00:38:37,310
When I write
635
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:40,855
I try to guard against mistakes
636
00:38:40,885 --> 00:38:45,694
which can be checked
and deduced to sloppy reporting.
637
00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:46,945
THE JOURNALS OF THE VOYEUR
638
00:38:46,975 --> 00:38:49,114
The murder. It is still unclear.
639
00:38:49,144 --> 00:38:50,240
NOVEMBER 10, 1977
640
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:52,409
I know the date and year.
641
00:38:52,439 --> 00:38:58,519
A woman who probably was
between 20 and 30 years old was found dead.
642
00:38:59,028 --> 00:39:02,815
So we have to find out who she was.
643
00:39:03,533 --> 00:39:04,859
I really want to know
644
00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:08,007
too many will be skeptical
645
00:39:08,037 --> 00:39:10,323
to the truth.
646
00:39:10,915 --> 00:39:13,221
I contacted the police, the coroner
647
00:39:13,251 --> 00:39:15,745
and the newspaper Denver Post.
648
00:39:16,212 --> 00:39:20,145
They checked their records and said:
649
00:39:20,175 --> 00:39:23,940
"We find nothing about the death."
650
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:26,422
How can there be nothing?
651
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,759
I don't know how that is possible.
652
00:39:30,185 --> 00:39:32,303
It should be in the registers.
653
00:39:33,605 --> 00:39:36,202
I shouldn't have to look long.
654
00:39:36,232 --> 00:39:39,789
The date and place should be enough.
655
00:39:39,819 --> 00:39:41,708
There should be someone
656
00:39:41,738 --> 00:39:47,902
which matches the description
of a woman who died in a motel...
657
00:39:49,245 --> 00:39:53,595
And is of the right age.
It shouldn't be...
658
00:39:53,625 --> 00:39:54,909
We're probably there.
659
00:39:56,461 --> 00:39:57,870
Thanks.
660
00:39:58,630 --> 00:40:00,059
TYPE: MURDER
STATUS: OPEN
661
00:40:00,089 --> 00:40:01,708
Here, please.
662
00:40:02,509 --> 00:40:04,397
- Go ahead, Mr. Talese.
- Thank you.
663
00:40:04,427 --> 00:40:07,255
DENVER POLICE
UNKNOWN
664
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:12,405
Jamison Stoltz,
the editor who works on the book,
665
00:40:12,435 --> 00:40:17,035
found a murder that took place
a few kilometers away at a motel
666
00:40:17,065 --> 00:40:18,850
two or three weeks from the date.
667
00:40:21,236 --> 00:40:24,292
This came up
because I was looking for information,
668
00:40:24,322 --> 00:40:27,837
just like you
about the murder that he writes about.
669
00:40:27,867 --> 00:40:33,301
CITY OFFICERS FOUND IRENE CRUZ DEAD
670
00:40:33,331 --> 00:40:36,596
STRANGLED TO DEATH
671
00:40:36,626 --> 00:40:39,203
Could Gerald have woven this in?
672
00:40:39,587 --> 00:40:41,434
I don't know.
673
00:40:41,464 --> 00:40:44,270
I don't think the whole truth
674
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,648
if it all ever comes out.
675
00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:48,525
The only one who knows is Gerald
676
00:40:48,555 --> 00:40:51,653
and he may not even remember everything.
677
00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:55,114
I like the way you write:
"I keep nothing secret from the readers."
678
00:40:55,144 --> 00:40:57,784
According to him, she fell between the chairs.
679
00:40:57,814 --> 00:40:59,014
Yes.
680
00:41:00,275 --> 00:41:05,416
Why would he
portray yourself as a coward?
681
00:41:05,446 --> 00:41:10,443
Why would he invent the worst
in a book about him?
682
00:41:11,244 --> 00:41:14,551
If I repeat it,
then all sympathy is lost,
683
00:41:14,581 --> 00:41:18,242
even from the most sympathetic
and morbid the reader.
684
00:41:20,295 --> 00:41:23,601
Gerald is a fascinating person,
685
00:41:23,631 --> 00:41:26,938
but I would
bet my life or my reputation
686
00:41:26,968 --> 00:41:30,733
on that all that he has told about
687
00:41:30,763 --> 00:41:33,800
is completely true? No, I wouldn't.
688
00:41:34,976 --> 00:41:37,512
PHOTOS OF "THE VOYEUR" GERALD FOOS
689
00:41:40,148 --> 00:41:43,893
GT, as I say
when I talk about him...
690
00:41:44,986 --> 00:41:47,083
...said: “Can't you do something?
691
00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:50,233
Can't you do
an illustration for the book?"
692
00:41:50,658 --> 00:41:52,151
A little brighter.
693
00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:54,862
What do parents not do?
694
00:41:56,414 --> 00:42:00,763
I was given a postcard to start from.
This picture.
695
00:42:00,793 --> 00:42:03,600
I didn't like the perspective and the snow,
696
00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:06,749
so I thought I'd look
after other pictures on the net.
697
00:42:07,216 --> 00:42:09,647
We'll take a look.
698
00:42:09,677 --> 00:42:12,713
I checked street view and saw this.
699
00:42:13,681 --> 00:42:15,800
The last picture.
700
00:42:17,435 --> 00:42:21,618
I called dad and said:
"You know what? It's been torn down."
701
00:42:21,648 --> 00:42:22,869
What did he say?
702
00:42:22,899 --> 00:42:27,081
"How do you know? How did you find out?"
703
00:42:27,111 --> 00:42:29,981
I said, "Google Maps."
"You and your internet!"
704
00:42:37,664 --> 00:42:38,948
Come again.
705
00:42:40,124 --> 00:42:41,387
What the hell...
706
00:42:41,417 --> 00:42:42,617
CALL UP
707
00:42:42,961 --> 00:42:44,328
Okay.
708
00:42:44,963 --> 00:42:46,225
- Hello?
- Gerald?
709
00:42:46,255 --> 00:42:47,518
Hey Gay!
710
00:42:47,548 --> 00:42:51,586
Last night I found out
711
00:42:52,136 --> 00:42:55,381
that the Manor House Motel no longer exists.
712
00:42:56,099 --> 00:42:57,111
Who said that?
713
00:42:57,141 --> 00:43:00,907
- It has been demolished.
- Really? I didn't know that.
714
00:43:00,937 --> 00:43:04,494
- Listen...
- But it doesn't matter.
715
00:43:04,524 --> 00:43:07,997
Wait a little. You will probably be relieved
716
00:43:08,027 --> 00:43:12,043
because it was you who asked me
not to use the motel's name.
717
00:43:12,073 --> 00:43:12,961
That's right.
718
00:43:12,991 --> 00:43:16,005
I just told Anita
who thinks it's good.
719
00:43:16,035 --> 00:43:17,006
Yes, but listen...
720
00:43:17,036 --> 00:43:20,031
I don't know.
They probably got paid well for it.
721
00:43:20,581 --> 00:43:22,470
- Listen...
- They got enough...
722
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:25,181
They probably got a million dollars for it.
723
00:43:25,211 --> 00:43:27,684
It honestly feels pretty good.
724
00:43:27,714 --> 00:43:28,851
Yes?
725
00:43:28,881 --> 00:43:33,231
Now we don't have to argue
with those idiots.
726
00:43:33,261 --> 00:43:34,983
The Koreans who owned it
727
00:43:35,013 --> 00:43:36,359
- or who were they?
- Yes.
728
00:43:36,389 --> 00:43:40,446
But we managed to write down the story
before the demolition.
729
00:43:40,476 --> 00:43:43,992
Yes, and we have videos and pictures
and all the rest.
730
00:43:44,022 --> 00:43:46,369
- Even...
- We have everything possible.
731
00:43:46,399 --> 00:43:50,289
The documentary films
even photographed the rooms
732
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:54,419
when they greeted you and recorded.
733
00:43:54,449 --> 00:43:57,547
I'm quite excited about the book.
734
00:43:57,577 --> 00:44:00,008
It could be one of your best.
735
00:44:00,038 --> 00:44:03,469
Now the New Yorker will surely come
to publish it.
736
00:44:03,499 --> 00:44:05,096
You just wait
737
00:44:05,126 --> 00:44:08,516
that it should be published by the New Yorker
738
00:44:08,546 --> 00:44:10,601
- and then it's time.
- Exactly.
739
00:44:10,631 --> 00:44:12,603
- See you.
- Now we have reason
740
00:44:12,633 --> 00:44:14,105
to thank the Lord.
741
00:44:14,135 --> 00:44:18,401
We can cheer for you and the motel.
742
00:44:18,431 --> 00:44:19,799
Bye then.
743
00:44:22,185 --> 00:44:23,469
Okay.
744
00:44:24,062 --> 00:44:27,076
When you do something for a long time,
then the situation changes.
745
00:44:27,106 --> 00:44:32,415
You can write something based on reality
and believe that everything is in place.
746
00:44:32,445 --> 00:44:33,458
And what happens then?
747
00:44:33,488 --> 00:44:38,212
The place where everything takes place,
the motel itself,
748
00:44:38,242 --> 00:44:40,882
goes up in smoke and you have to solve it.
749
00:44:40,912 --> 00:44:43,259
So you don't have to go there?
750
00:44:43,289 --> 00:44:45,595
- Would it be worth it?
- Yes.
751
00:44:45,625 --> 00:44:48,056
- For us...
- Would that be it?
752
00:44:48,086 --> 00:44:51,809
That would be effective
to film the empty lot.
753
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:55,292
If you're going there anyway
I might as well come along.
754
00:45:43,975 --> 00:45:46,322
There isn't much left.
755
00:45:46,352 --> 00:45:48,137
They have cleared away.
756
00:45:53,609 --> 00:45:57,313
This feels a bit unfunny...
757
00:45:59,365 --> 00:46:01,963
I liked the place
758
00:46:01,993 --> 00:46:04,904
and I built most of it myself.
759
00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:08,824
And now it's gone.
760
00:46:11,669 --> 00:46:14,350
As it says in the Bible,
761
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:17,228
everything has its time.
762
00:46:17,258 --> 00:46:22,213
I think the motel's time was over.
763
00:46:22,930 --> 00:46:24,944
- What do you think?
- Sad.
764
00:46:24,974 --> 00:46:26,342
- Still?
- Yes.
765
00:46:26,893 --> 00:46:32,201
Last night I dreamed about the place and cried.
766
00:46:32,231 --> 00:46:33,995
Gerald said, "What is it?"
767
00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:37,999
I said, "Nothing."
He repeated, "What is it?"
768
00:46:38,029 --> 00:46:39,625
I said, “I miss the motel.
769
00:46:39,655 --> 00:46:42,525
I dreamed that I was still working...
770
00:46:43,117 --> 00:46:45,673
...and it felt real."
771
00:46:45,703 --> 00:46:49,698
I woke up and lay there crying.
772
00:46:57,506 --> 00:47:00,501
Now the place belongs to someone else.
773
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:06,465
He used the word "redress".
774
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,928
He said: "I want to ease my conscience."
775
00:47:11,938 --> 00:47:16,684
By being identified
with the reasonably respectable work
776
00:47:17,944 --> 00:47:20,187
does he want redress.
777
00:47:23,115 --> 00:47:24,775
We'll see.
778
00:47:25,326 --> 00:47:27,131
Sit down, and I'll get my foot in.
779
00:47:27,161 --> 00:47:30,051
Thanks. You are so kind.
780
00:47:30,081 --> 00:47:33,930
When this is over
I hope you, me and Anita
781
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,182
can be as good friends as before.
782
00:47:36,212 --> 00:47:38,455
Hopefully even better friends.
783
00:47:43,052 --> 00:47:46,088
I have known him since 1980.
784
00:47:48,265 --> 00:47:53,282
I have read through
all his hazy notes
785
00:47:53,312 --> 00:47:55,660
and tried to clarify what is true.
786
00:47:55,690 --> 00:47:59,476
I try to be so careful
as one can be
787
00:48:00,611 --> 00:48:02,563
with an untrustworthy person.
788
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:07,213
When dealing with the New Yorker
everything must be right.
789
00:48:07,243 --> 00:48:10,841
I want everything to be right.
But I worry about the fact-checking.
790
00:48:10,871 --> 00:48:14,387
They have people controlling everything
791
00:48:14,417 --> 00:48:17,390
and I'm not looking forward
792
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:19,600
that someone from the New Yorker
793
00:48:19,630 --> 00:48:24,438
calls him up
and asks a lot of questions.
794
00:48:24,468 --> 00:48:28,422
He often has no idea.
795
00:48:31,058 --> 00:48:34,178
This story
is really based on only one source.
796
00:48:36,063 --> 00:48:39,370
Gay had actually been on the scene
797
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,395
and he knew
that the platforms existed.
798
00:48:43,779 --> 00:48:47,691
We knew that all
was not plucked out of thin air.
799
00:48:48,242 --> 00:48:50,131
But at New Yorker
800
00:48:50,161 --> 00:48:53,259
everything must match to the letter.
801
00:48:53,289 --> 00:48:55,886
Addresses, dates, spelling of names.
802
00:48:55,916 --> 00:49:00,558
Our fact checkers are very thorough
when they control all that.
803
00:49:00,588 --> 00:49:03,499
We will always value it.
804
00:49:05,217 --> 00:49:08,399
The question was
if we could make this something
805
00:49:08,429 --> 00:49:12,653
that doesn't have Gerald Foos
notes as primary source.
806
00:49:12,683 --> 00:49:16,073
Because some things didn't add up
with Gerald's descriptions.
807
00:49:16,103 --> 00:49:17,450
THE VOYEUR BOUGHT THE MOTEL
808
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,433
He described
that he bought the motel in a certain year.
809
00:49:22,109 --> 00:49:24,457
We got hold of the deed of sale
810
00:49:24,487 --> 00:49:29,920
and saw that the date
in his notes did not match.
811
00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:31,964
NOVEMBER 15, 1966
JULY 31, 1969
812
00:49:31,994 --> 00:49:35,843
When we found that kind of discrepancy,
813
00:49:35,873 --> 00:49:38,637
we wanted the reader to know
all that we knew
814
00:49:38,667 --> 00:49:42,246
regarding Gerald's fault.
815
00:49:42,713 --> 00:49:49,253
We clarified that everything he saw
was his responsibility.
816
00:49:52,807 --> 00:49:58,115
The Voyeur says he bought the motel
in 1966 and I quote that.
817
00:49:58,145 --> 00:50:04,977
The fact checker found out
that he did not buy it until 1969.
818
00:50:05,444 --> 00:50:08,042
How hard can it be?
819
00:50:08,072 --> 00:50:10,544
He should know that kind of information
820
00:50:10,574 --> 00:50:12,943
gotta be right… I mean…
821
00:50:13,577 --> 00:50:16,864
Come in! I wish... Open the door!
822
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:22,181
The reviewer asked:
823
00:50:22,211 --> 00:50:25,351
"Are you sure it was -66?"
824
00:50:25,381 --> 00:50:28,437
I said, "Yes."
He said, "Could it have been -69?"
825
00:50:28,467 --> 00:50:34,298
“Yes, it very well might have been.
One of the nines may have ended up in the wrong direction.
826
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,261
But I don't know that."
827
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:42,431
I said, "It is possible."
828
00:50:44,942 --> 00:50:46,747
I pointed it out.
829
00:50:46,777 --> 00:50:49,416
"Sorry, I was wrong. The papers were gone."
830
00:50:49,446 --> 00:50:52,441
I don't care about that.
One must remember such purchases.
831
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:56,882
He started taking notes in 1966
832
00:50:56,912 --> 00:51:00,052
and even specified specific dates
as on November 26.
833
00:51:00,082 --> 00:51:04,703
The 28th of November and the 4th of December.
1966, -67 and -68.
834
00:51:05,504 --> 00:51:09,750
Did he go back or make it up?
What did he do?
835
00:51:12,219 --> 00:51:14,546
It doesn't add up.
836
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:19,468
I wonder how much
I can trust him.
837
00:51:21,145 --> 00:51:24,306
I know the motel is real. I was there.
838
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:26,453
He gets the date wrong.
839
00:51:26,483 --> 00:51:28,998
It settles if he opened the motel
840
00:51:29,028 --> 00:51:35,192
in 1965, 1966, 1967 or 1968.
It makes no difference.
841
00:51:35,576 --> 00:51:39,216
He ran the motel for 15-20 years,
842
00:51:39,246 --> 00:51:42,324
and then he had time to see many things.
843
00:51:43,792 --> 00:51:46,620
The story is the story,
and I move on.
844
00:51:50,007 --> 00:51:52,229
I don't feel well at all today.
845
00:51:52,259 --> 00:51:54,815
It does not bode well
846
00:51:54,845 --> 00:51:59,007
because when i feel like this
there is always a storm coming.
847
00:52:02,353 --> 00:52:04,805
Anita and I are loners.
848
00:52:05,272 --> 00:52:07,995
We don't hang out with the neighbors.
849
00:52:08,025 --> 00:52:11,957
During our time in the motel business, we realized
850
00:52:11,987 --> 00:52:13,959
that it is pointless.
851
00:52:13,989 --> 00:52:17,713
The only thing you do is expose yourself
852
00:52:17,743 --> 00:52:21,905
and then they just come
to talk about one with other neighbors.
853
00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:25,409
That's what neighbors do.
854
00:52:29,338 --> 00:52:32,541
Look, the blue jay is here.
There are two of them.
855
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:34,980
Look at them.
856
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:37,880
They don't know they are being photographed.
857
00:52:39,515 --> 00:52:42,092
We know no one is coming to visit.
858
00:52:42,643 --> 00:52:45,032
No one ever comes here.
859
00:52:45,062 --> 00:52:47,389
- None.
- Except the postman.
860
00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:50,204
We have no friends.
861
00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:52,728
All our friends are dead.
862
00:52:53,404 --> 00:52:55,731
- Your friends.
- Yes, unfortunately.
863
00:52:56,490 --> 00:52:58,275
You are all I have.
864
00:53:00,035 --> 00:53:05,365
You will be here when it happens
and that's how I want it.
865
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,579
I just mean we're in the same boat.
866
00:53:11,088 --> 00:53:13,415
That's all. I have no one else.
867
00:53:21,598 --> 00:53:26,220
Everyone worries about the damn article.
868
00:53:26,603 --> 00:53:29,076
Surely the voyeur does too.
869
00:53:29,106 --> 00:53:31,308
He has reason to worry.
870
00:53:32,276 --> 00:53:36,438
He's sitting there in a suburb of Denver
871
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,608
and waiting to be crucified.
872
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,327
Here we have it.
873
00:54:11,357 --> 00:54:15,978
On the front page of the New Yorker
where it is best seen.
874
00:54:16,362 --> 00:54:23,172
I couldn't have imagined
a more effective layout.
875
00:54:23,202 --> 00:54:27,718
The voyeur's name, Gerald Foos,
is clearly stated in the title.
876
00:54:27,748 --> 00:54:32,953
"Gerald Foos bought a motel
to watch the guests have sex.
877
00:54:33,337 --> 00:54:35,225
He saw much more than that."
878
00:54:35,255 --> 00:54:36,748
A fantastic headline.
879
00:54:38,050 --> 00:54:40,606
Regardless of the content
learns he likes that the article is visible
880
00:54:40,636 --> 00:54:44,234
because he wanted to be discovered.
881
00:54:44,264 --> 00:54:46,362
If he died, no one would care.
882
00:54:46,392 --> 00:54:48,093
But if he dies now,
883
00:54:48,977 --> 00:54:52,576
that's how people know him.
884
00:54:52,606 --> 00:54:54,953
He gets an obituary in the New York Times.
885
00:54:54,983 --> 00:54:56,914
Gerald Foos gets an obituary.
886
00:54:56,944 --> 00:55:00,417
Why? Because he is a voyeur
who talked to me.
887
00:55:00,447 --> 00:55:03,734
Mentioned in the New Yorker. That's how it is.
888
00:55:05,452 --> 00:55:07,091
This is scary.
889
00:55:07,121 --> 00:55:11,637
A motel owner in Aurora
watched as the guests were intimate
890
00:55:11,667 --> 00:55:13,472
without them knowing about it.
891
00:55:13,502 --> 00:55:14,848
It went on for several decades.
892
00:55:14,878 --> 00:55:17,601
The details are in the New Yorker.
893
00:55:17,631 --> 00:55:22,564
The Manor House Motel was located here
at Colfax and Scranton.
894
00:55:22,594 --> 00:55:24,900
Beyond all that sex
895
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:27,820
as Gerald Foos claims
that he witnessed here,
896
00:55:27,850 --> 00:55:31,323
then he must have witnessed a murder
without reporting it.
897
00:55:31,353 --> 00:55:33,784
- Huh?
- I did report it.
898
00:55:33,814 --> 00:55:36,703
...said he got a letter from Foos
in 1980.
899
00:55:36,733 --> 00:55:41,417
He had bought the motel to
satisfy their voyeuristic needs.
900
00:55:41,447 --> 00:55:44,128
When they were there he waited for the wind
901
00:55:44,158 --> 00:55:46,130
and asked his wife to lie down on the bed
902
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,007
and see if she could
see him through the grating.
903
00:55:49,037 --> 00:55:50,551
He lives in Brighton.
904
00:55:50,581 --> 00:55:53,595
Live from Aurora, Lance Hernandez.
905
00:55:53,625 --> 00:55:54,638
Unbelievable.
906
00:55:54,668 --> 00:55:55,952
- What?
- Unbelievable.
907
00:55:56,837 --> 00:55:59,164
Now I'm a little shakier.
908
00:56:05,387 --> 00:56:07,714
The man is nervous.
909
00:56:08,474 --> 00:56:13,095
For several years he has been hiding in the attic.
Now he has been taken out of there.
910
00:56:13,937 --> 00:56:16,326
But I have told him:
911
00:56:16,356 --> 00:56:20,268
“Don't go out, don't open the door
or answer the phone."
912
00:56:22,779 --> 00:56:25,127
Hello?
913
00:56:25,157 --> 00:56:29,256
A woman at the Denver Post
that you and Gay Talese have met.
914
00:56:29,286 --> 00:56:32,092
- How did she get my number?
- I don't know.
915
00:56:32,122 --> 00:56:33,699
Hi, it's Gerald.
916
00:56:34,082 --> 00:56:36,472
- She already knows the book.
- Yes.
917
00:56:36,502 --> 00:56:39,475
What do you want to ask about?
918
00:56:39,505 --> 00:56:41,393
I wonder if you have read it
919
00:56:41,423 --> 00:56:42,436
and what you thought.
920
00:56:42,466 --> 00:56:45,210
Well...
921
00:56:45,928 --> 00:56:48,463
It's my life. My secret life.
922
00:56:48,764 --> 00:56:51,069
We will write about it in tomorrow's paper
923
00:56:51,099 --> 00:56:52,654
and we want your opinion.
924
00:56:52,684 --> 00:56:56,074
I wish I could say more than that.
925
00:56:56,104 --> 00:56:58,160
- Wait a minute.
- No, Gerald.
926
00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:01,663
Wait until July when the book comes out.
927
00:57:01,693 --> 00:57:03,165
That is my suggestion.
928
00:57:03,195 --> 00:57:05,834
Then you can call and interview me.
929
00:57:05,864 --> 00:57:07,669
But you didn't film anything, did you?
930
00:57:07,699 --> 00:57:11,486
Never. It was before
the electronic era.
931
00:57:11,954 --> 00:57:14,197
Now that's enough.
932
00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,806
I can't say more than that.
933
00:57:18,836 --> 00:57:23,165
It depends
that my contract is still valid.
934
00:57:23,549 --> 00:57:25,145
Hang up.
935
00:57:25,175 --> 00:57:28,273
I don't answer
a few more questions right now.
936
00:57:28,303 --> 00:57:29,942
Gerald, I have to go!
937
00:57:29,972 --> 00:57:32,194
And my wife is leaving.
938
00:57:32,224 --> 00:57:34,404
She has something to do and…
939
00:57:34,434 --> 00:57:35,761
Gerald!
940
00:57:36,353 --> 00:57:39,389
Thank you very much. Bye then.
941
00:57:39,773 --> 00:57:41,370
How did she get my number?
942
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,373
Maybe she got it from Gay
for they had spoken.
943
00:57:44,403 --> 00:57:46,291
They're going to write about it in the Denver Post,
944
00:57:46,321 --> 00:57:49,316
so it eases the pressure.
945
00:58:22,274 --> 00:58:25,435
I spoke with the Denver Post reporter
946
00:58:27,905 --> 00:58:29,835
on the phone and an article was written.
947
00:58:29,865 --> 00:58:34,861
But there is nothing in it
which has not already appeared in the New Yorker.
948
00:58:38,749 --> 00:58:40,700
I picked up the newspaper at five o'clock this morning
949
00:58:41,168 --> 00:58:44,079
and when I saw it I thought, "Holy shit."
950
00:58:44,755 --> 00:58:51,711
It says… “Former motel owner
think he's the world's number one voyeur."
951
00:58:52,054 --> 00:58:57,008
There's Gerald. At the motel office.
952
00:58:57,517 --> 00:59:02,472
It says: "Sex, lies,
but no video tapes for the hotel owner."
953
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:05,475
Here is Gay Talese's book.
954
00:59:06,735 --> 00:59:09,604
If it rings, I just don't answer
955
00:59:10,572 --> 00:59:13,587
because I think my siblings
will call.
956
00:59:13,617 --> 00:59:15,694
I don't know what to say.
957
00:59:17,204 --> 00:59:22,033
Gerald told me to say
that it is not true.
958
00:59:22,834 --> 00:59:25,954
But that's it.
959
00:59:28,173 --> 00:59:30,520
Now it has broken loose.
960
00:59:30,550 --> 00:59:34,232
I was just talking to a friend in Minnesota.
961
00:59:34,262 --> 00:59:36,568
Everyone already knows about it.
962
00:59:36,598 --> 00:59:39,467
People know about it all over the country.
963
00:59:41,311 --> 00:59:44,347
I'm not feeling well.
I'm shaking like a fucking aspen leaf.
964
00:59:58,745 --> 01:00:05,118
It's calm now, but not for long.
I don't think so.
965
01:00:07,713 --> 01:00:10,644
I have something to say.
We must sit down.
966
01:00:10,674 --> 01:00:12,459
I'm pissed off.
967
01:00:13,093 --> 01:00:14,794
Really pissed off.
968
01:00:15,929 --> 01:00:19,257
It's probably my fault, but...
969
01:00:20,684 --> 01:00:22,864
I'm afraid.
970
01:00:22,894 --> 01:00:24,638
I am very scared
971
01:00:25,272 --> 01:00:29,768
because I love her and do anything
to protect her.
972
01:00:31,111 --> 01:00:34,272
But when Gay Talese...
973
01:00:37,492 --> 01:00:41,967
...says that about my card collection.
974
01:00:41,997 --> 01:00:44,553
I didn't want to include that.
975
01:00:44,583 --> 01:00:48,828
I don't want people to know
that I have cards for a million dollars.
976
01:00:49,379 --> 01:00:52,853
What happens if I get sued?
977
01:00:52,883 --> 01:00:56,773
If they seize the house and everything inside it?
978
01:00:56,803 --> 01:00:58,692
Then I can't even sell it
979
01:00:58,722 --> 01:01:01,528
because it is seized
and worth several millions
980
01:01:01,558 --> 01:01:05,532
and then they get the money.
981
01:01:05,562 --> 01:01:07,034
What the...
982
01:01:07,064 --> 01:01:09,661
I never got to see anything!
983
01:01:09,691 --> 01:01:14,166
He never showed the damn script.
984
01:01:14,196 --> 01:01:16,668
He never showed that thing
985
01:01:16,698 --> 01:01:19,901
which would be in the New Yorker.
986
01:01:20,368 --> 01:01:24,801
I had been relentless. "Off with it!"
987
01:01:24,831 --> 01:01:29,347
You can't take it with you.
You don't write about people's money.
988
01:01:29,377 --> 01:01:31,600
I'm really mad at Gay.
989
01:01:31,630 --> 01:01:35,645
I'm mad as hell
because he should have asked me.
990
01:01:35,675 --> 01:01:38,857
It's about me! Not about him.
991
01:01:38,887 --> 01:01:43,403
He tries to portray himself
like the big star.
992
01:01:43,433 --> 01:01:44,738
“I am the star.
993
01:01:44,768 --> 01:01:48,283
I have written a lot of books
and here I am."
994
01:01:48,313 --> 01:01:51,266
So he writes nonchalantly about me.
995
01:01:52,943 --> 01:01:55,707
That's the only thing that pisses me off
996
01:01:55,737 --> 01:01:58,001
and I'm really pissed off.
997
01:01:58,031 --> 01:02:01,651
Gay and I are going to be in big trouble.
998
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:09,909
“He's still thinking
why the Foos spilled their secrets.
999
01:02:11,169 --> 01:02:13,496
Money can be a reason.
1000
01:02:14,548 --> 01:02:17,375
Talese draws parallels…
1001
01:02:18,802 --> 01:02:20,587
...to the Unabomber...
1002
01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:25,258
...and Deep Throat.
1003
01:02:27,769 --> 01:02:31,598
Men who didn't want to
take their secrets to the grave.
1004
01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:38,104
Foos hopes to recognize after 30 years
and receive redress."
1005
01:02:39,406 --> 01:02:41,274
Isn't that true?
1006
01:02:42,534 --> 01:02:47,781
Approximately.
But you don't count other people's assets.
1007
01:02:48,331 --> 01:02:51,221
- Gerald, excuse me...
- I understand.
1008
01:02:51,251 --> 01:02:53,390
It's not Gay's fault.
It's your fault too.
1009
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:54,954
Everything is my fault.
1010
01:02:55,547 --> 01:02:58,166
- Has he called you?
- No.
1011
01:02:59,509 --> 01:03:02,899
What the hell does he think it is, a competition?
1012
01:03:02,929 --> 01:03:05,026
Gerald, there is a time difference...
1013
01:03:05,056 --> 01:03:08,051
Bullshit. It is 10 o'clock in New York.
1014
01:03:10,187 --> 01:03:12,492
It will be...
1015
01:03:12,522 --> 01:03:16,684
- Calm down.
- I don't want to fall out with him.
1016
01:03:17,110 --> 01:03:20,834
I just want to say that I love you
and that you may calm down.
1017
01:03:20,864 --> 01:03:23,149
Okay, honey. Thanks.
1018
01:03:27,746 --> 01:03:29,531
She is smart.
1019
01:03:41,676 --> 01:03:44,816
- Do you understand?
- He trusts you.
1020
01:03:44,846 --> 01:03:47,861
I know, but he doesn't
if you tell.
1021
01:03:47,891 --> 01:03:50,572
I shouldn't have to.
You should talk to him...
1022
01:03:50,602 --> 01:03:54,180
Don't come between us.
1023
01:03:55,482 --> 01:03:57,225
Don't change it.
1024
01:03:58,276 --> 01:04:00,979
Gay, sorry if I disturb. It's Gerald.
1025
01:04:02,572 --> 01:04:07,110
I just want to talk
about some of the things...
1026
01:04:08,161 --> 01:04:11,156
I just want to talk if possible.
1027
01:04:11,748 --> 01:04:14,784
Call when you can. I would appreciate it.
1028
01:04:19,047 --> 01:04:22,000
Come on! This computer is hopeless.
1029
01:04:23,218 --> 01:04:29,736
"You called yourself a pioneer,
a truth teller, a chance taker,
1030
01:04:29,766 --> 01:04:32,197
a man who can be compared to say the least
1031
01:04:32,227 --> 01:04:35,180
with Alfred Kinsey and Masters and Johnson.
1032
01:04:35,730 --> 01:04:38,912
Although they are held in high esteem today,
1033
01:04:38,942 --> 01:04:42,249
so they were painted black when they entered
1034
01:04:42,279 --> 01:04:44,939
and they were seen as obscene and criminal.
1035
01:04:45,490 --> 01:04:48,485
Now Gerald Foo's story is common knowledge
1036
01:04:49,286 --> 01:04:54,052
and then Gerald Foos must,
who is brave and strong, endure.
1037
01:04:54,082 --> 01:04:55,345
You stand for a while
1038
01:04:55,375 --> 01:04:58,306
because you want to tell the truth
about who youare
1039
01:04:58,336 --> 01:05:00,183
and why you know what you know.
1040
01:05:00,213 --> 01:05:03,770
Fight on
as athletes and pioneers must do.
1041
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,336
Greetings, Gay Talese, your friend.”
1042
01:05:15,812 --> 01:05:18,348
Now you get to meet the villain.
1043
01:05:18,815 --> 01:05:21,413
Does it have anything to do with your book?
1044
01:05:21,443 --> 01:05:22,831
- You wrote a book, right?
- Yes.
1045
01:05:22,861 --> 01:05:24,249
I know who you are.
1046
01:05:24,279 --> 01:05:25,417
Get on.
1047
01:05:25,447 --> 01:05:27,711
I just got a call.
1048
01:05:27,741 --> 01:05:29,504
A threatening call.
1049
01:05:29,534 --> 01:05:32,841
I'm terrified
and don't know what to do.
1050
01:05:32,871 --> 01:05:35,927
The caller meant business.
1051
01:05:35,957 --> 01:05:38,054
It rang and he said:
1052
01:05:38,084 --> 01:05:41,266
“I will make sure my friends kill you
1053
01:05:41,296 --> 01:05:42,767
for you threaten me."
1054
01:05:42,797 --> 01:05:44,853
- I'm also nervous.
- No danger.
1055
01:05:44,883 --> 01:05:47,564
He said, "I'm going to threaten you."
1056
01:05:47,594 --> 01:05:50,608
- He said...
- "I have friends." I didn't hear everything.
1057
01:05:50,638 --> 01:05:53,069
I have come up with one more thing.
1058
01:05:53,099 --> 01:05:57,971
He said, "Now you are being watched."
1059
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,306
Thanks.
1060
01:06:02,317 --> 01:06:05,979
That bastard. Damn.
1061
01:06:07,906 --> 01:06:09,774
That bastard.
1062
01:06:11,242 --> 01:06:12,881
I don't know what to do.
1063
01:06:12,911 --> 01:06:15,133
If I'm going to pick up the weapons
1064
01:06:15,163 --> 01:06:16,676
and place them
1065
01:06:16,706 --> 01:06:19,679
so that they are directed in different directions.
1066
01:06:19,709 --> 01:06:23,496
- Don't be so nervous.
- I don't know.
1067
01:06:24,381 --> 01:06:27,250
Sometimes you get nervous
when you are ready to die.
1068
01:06:28,635 --> 01:06:30,815
- No.
- I said a while ago
1069
01:06:30,845 --> 01:06:34,048
that I think I'm dying
before the book comes out.
1070
01:06:35,016 --> 01:06:36,968
The pressure is too great.
1071
01:06:40,063 --> 01:06:43,891
I feel it in both arms and legs.
I'm afraid.
1072
01:06:48,071 --> 01:06:49,167
"At 10:00.
1073
01:06:49,197 --> 01:06:53,401
Coming and killing me
because I'm a worthless perv.
1074
01:06:54,244 --> 01:06:56,674
Had my address and my number.
1075
01:06:56,704 --> 01:07:00,450
I thought the voice sounded familiar,
but I wasn't sure."
1076
01:07:11,136 --> 01:07:13,421
Can't hide anymore.
1077
01:07:17,267 --> 01:07:19,218
Sometimes I think that
1078
01:07:20,311 --> 01:07:22,096
it's not real.
1079
01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:26,267
It's like a dream world.
1080
01:07:27,110 --> 01:07:31,292
I dreamed almost all night
about being chased.
1081
01:07:31,322 --> 01:07:35,276
I was chased by people
who tried to catch me.
1082
01:07:36,911 --> 01:07:40,051
I ran and hid and...
1083
01:07:40,081 --> 01:07:42,533
It went on for a long time.
1084
01:07:49,174 --> 01:07:53,106
If I had known how it would feel
1085
01:07:53,136 --> 01:07:56,422
a couple of years ago,
then I wouldn't have done this.
1086
01:07:59,809 --> 01:08:02,970
I don't know if that will change.
1087
01:08:12,989 --> 01:08:16,818
I thought there would be controversy
when it was published in the New Yorker.
1088
01:08:18,411 --> 01:08:23,658
Almost everyone who reads it sees it
as a fascinating story.
1089
01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:27,098
People will react negatively
1090
01:08:27,128 --> 01:08:30,164
without thinking about it in a serious way.
1091
01:08:30,548 --> 01:08:33,104
The fact that he was a voyeur
1092
01:08:33,134 --> 01:08:35,356
and built it specifically
to watch people,
1093
01:08:35,386 --> 01:08:37,296
and did it for 30 years…
1094
01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:39,402
...is disgusting.
1095
01:08:39,432 --> 01:08:41,070
You can be upset by it.
1096
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:45,033
That would be strange
if you don't get upset by it.
1097
01:08:45,063 --> 01:08:49,058
But it doesn't have to be bad
for the sale of the book.
1098
01:08:52,278 --> 01:08:56,065
The publisher told me
not to talk to anyone.
1099
01:08:57,617 --> 01:09:00,570
According to this, I am untrustworthy.
1100
01:09:01,746 --> 01:09:04,824
We are weeks away from the publication of the book.
1101
01:09:06,543 --> 01:09:08,953
He needs someone to hold his hand.
1102
01:09:09,837 --> 01:09:12,707
I'll take that on.
1103
01:09:15,051 --> 01:09:20,631
It's my last chance
to take control of the book.
1104
01:09:22,392 --> 01:09:25,823
There will be no honeymoon in Denver.
1105
01:09:25,853 --> 01:09:27,555
There will be resistance.
1106
01:09:29,107 --> 01:09:31,704
That someone of his caliber
1107
01:09:31,734 --> 01:09:35,542
coming from New York to meet us...
1108
01:09:35,572 --> 01:09:37,565
We are just ordinary people.
1109
01:09:38,825 --> 01:09:41,736
He doesn't socialize with ordinary people.
1110
01:09:42,829 --> 01:09:45,593
When Gay comes here he always says
1111
01:09:45,623 --> 01:09:48,721
that we should be smartly dressed, not like now.
1112
01:09:48,751 --> 01:09:53,706
He is used to
to hang out with snooty people.
1113
01:09:54,591 --> 01:09:56,667
Everyone he knows...
1114
01:09:57,051 --> 01:10:01,714
They are managing directors of companies.
1115
01:10:03,641 --> 01:10:06,385
Most of them are famous.
1116
01:10:08,563 --> 01:10:11,578
I have criticized Gay a couple of times.
1117
01:10:11,608 --> 01:10:14,080
I would have liked
that he told me more.
1118
01:10:14,110 --> 01:10:18,105
But I won't let it
destroy our relationship.
1119
01:10:20,283 --> 01:10:21,859
That applies to the book.
1120
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:23,903
We must stick together.
1121
01:10:24,537 --> 01:10:26,656
If we don't stick together...
1122
01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:28,678
...then we have nothing.
1123
01:10:28,708 --> 01:10:30,660
How nice it turned out.
1124
01:10:35,715 --> 01:10:38,000
I want to see who gets out of the car first.
1125
01:10:38,968 --> 01:10:41,524
There's old Gay.
1126
01:10:41,554 --> 01:10:43,923
He bought us something.
1127
01:10:44,307 --> 01:10:47,051
- Roses!
- My God.
1128
01:10:48,645 --> 01:10:50,867
- Roses.
- It wouldn't have been necessary.
1129
01:10:50,897 --> 01:10:54,203
I know,
but he wants to set everything right.
1130
01:10:54,233 --> 01:10:56,853
He knows we've had a hard time.
1131
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,251
Hey Gay! How is it? Get on.
1132
01:11:00,281 --> 01:11:02,086
- Flowers.
- Thank you.
1133
01:11:02,116 --> 01:11:04,714
- You watch!
- How is it?
1134
01:11:04,744 --> 01:11:08,030
Where did you get the tan? Okay.
1135
01:11:08,706 --> 01:11:11,763
Gerald, you make history.
1136
01:11:11,793 --> 01:11:17,352
The editor was a little worried.
He worried about the reaction of readers.
1137
01:11:17,382 --> 01:11:21,439
But they loved it.
It is certainly one of the best.
1138
01:11:21,469 --> 01:11:22,690
It's unbelievable.
1139
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,047
That's what people say. You can't make it up.
1140
01:11:26,099 --> 01:11:27,383
It doesn't work.
1141
01:11:29,686 --> 01:11:33,242
We sat and read it all.
1142
01:11:33,272 --> 01:11:35,308
It was...
1143
01:11:36,275 --> 01:11:38,748
Both good and bad.
No declaration of love.
1144
01:11:38,778 --> 01:11:42,919
Some of it was surprising,
but it was okay.
1145
01:11:42,949 --> 01:11:47,173
I might have gotten a little upset
1146
01:11:47,203 --> 01:11:48,383
because I had not seen
1147
01:11:48,413 --> 01:11:51,427
- what you had written.
- I know.
1148
01:11:51,457 --> 01:11:54,847
I never got to see any script.
1149
01:11:54,877 --> 01:11:56,766
You are entitled to your opinion
1150
01:11:56,796 --> 01:11:59,268
now, in a month and in five years.
1151
01:11:59,298 --> 01:12:03,064
What you don't want to do is
to falsely say
1152
01:12:03,094 --> 01:12:06,442
that we cooperated
and that I showed the text.
1153
01:12:06,472 --> 01:12:09,654
You don't need a lecture
about journalism.
1154
01:12:09,684 --> 01:12:11,280
But we journalists,
1155
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:14,409
if we are honest
and not any tricksters,
1156
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,744
which many are, but not me…
1157
01:12:16,774 --> 01:12:18,371
I do my best.
1158
01:12:18,401 --> 01:12:20,998
It is published with my name on the cover.
1159
01:12:21,028 --> 01:12:23,584
Those who dislike it can shoot the messenger
1160
01:12:23,614 --> 01:12:27,255
and write bad reviews,
which people undoubtedly do.
1161
01:12:27,285 --> 01:12:28,923
That's how it works.
1162
01:12:28,953 --> 01:12:31,926
- Any more questions?
- We didn't get a clear answer.
1163
01:12:31,956 --> 01:12:36,597
That with
that you started writing in 1966...
1164
01:12:36,627 --> 01:12:40,935
What actually happened?
1165
01:12:40,965 --> 01:12:43,813
He explained that the date was wrong.
1166
01:12:43,843 --> 01:12:47,233
Instead of -69...
He already answered that.
1167
01:12:47,263 --> 01:12:49,652
- He has answered.
- Confusion.
1168
01:12:49,682 --> 01:12:52,405
You pull up the dates again,
1169
01:12:52,435 --> 01:12:54,073
but he already answered.
1170
01:12:54,103 --> 01:12:55,908
- What do you want to hear?
- We'll be done soon.
1171
01:12:55,938 --> 01:12:57,493
Hurry up.
1172
01:12:57,523 --> 01:12:59,454
A simple question for you, Gerald.
1173
01:12:59,484 --> 01:13:00,747
- Sure.
- Okay.
1174
01:13:00,777 --> 01:13:04,855
Is there anything you regret
with the book and the collaboration with Gay Talese?
1175
01:13:05,281 --> 01:13:07,253
It is a valid question.
1176
01:13:07,283 --> 01:13:10,903
In short, you have been asked
if you were to redo it
1177
01:13:11,454 --> 01:13:14,010
or maybe it's…
Ask the question yourself.
1178
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,262
- That is the question.
- Make sure it's your question
1179
01:13:16,292 --> 01:13:18,473
because I don't want to change it.
1180
01:13:18,503 --> 01:13:21,934
I don't want to demand an answer.
Ask the question your way.
1181
01:13:21,964 --> 01:13:24,520
Gerald, if you got a chance
to redo it,
1182
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:26,814
would you then help with the book?
1183
01:13:26,844 --> 01:13:30,568
Have you not already asked
and recorded that question?
1184
01:13:30,598 --> 01:13:33,196
He had concerns, didn't he?
1185
01:13:33,226 --> 01:13:35,323
- Yes, he had.
- Then he gets to say it.
1186
01:13:35,353 --> 01:13:38,826
I'm here... This is wrong.
1187
01:13:38,856 --> 01:13:41,204
You talked to him and got an answer.
1188
01:13:41,234 --> 01:13:42,330
- Now that I'm here...
- No.
1189
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,208
...I influence his answer.
Don't you understand that?
1190
01:13:45,238 --> 01:13:47,126
Do you have any regrets or not?
1191
01:13:47,156 --> 01:13:50,421
The answer is affected.
It's not fair to him.
1192
01:13:50,451 --> 01:13:55,259
Let him be critical of me.
You clean up the answer.
1193
01:13:55,289 --> 01:13:59,096
He has not...
It is clear that he has concerns.
1194
01:13:59,126 --> 01:14:01,265
Why shouldn't he have it?
1195
01:14:01,295 --> 01:14:03,893
- I told him... Wait.
- If you want...
1196
01:14:03,923 --> 01:14:06,896
“You know what: I didn't think so
that you would use it.
1197
01:14:06,926 --> 01:14:09,732
- You should have asked."
- I know.
1198
01:14:09,762 --> 01:14:12,902
Why can't he be critical?
1199
01:14:12,932 --> 01:14:15,530
- I've probably already said that.
- Say it!
1200
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,699
I would ask you
not to include the murder in the book.
1201
01:14:18,729 --> 01:14:20,618
You did. You asked me...
1202
01:14:20,648 --> 01:14:23,621
But I did as I wanted.
1203
01:14:23,651 --> 01:14:26,040
I didn't do as you wanted.
1204
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:28,292
- Tell people.
- You had a right to it.
1205
01:14:28,322 --> 01:14:29,585
We had a contract.
1206
01:14:29,615 --> 01:14:31,462
You have the right to criticize me.
1207
01:14:31,492 --> 01:14:33,256
They have no right to ask the same question
1208
01:14:33,286 --> 01:14:34,465
if you clean up the answer.
1209
01:14:34,495 --> 01:14:36,843
I didn't hear your answer.
1210
01:14:36,873 --> 01:14:39,762
When I'm here,
then you are not as sincere
1211
01:14:39,792 --> 01:14:43,015
as you would have been without me.
That's how journalism works.
1212
01:14:43,045 --> 01:14:46,102
How can you... How do you know what they're thinking?
1213
01:14:46,132 --> 01:14:47,854
What is wrong
1214
01:14:47,884 --> 01:14:52,316
is that they have already asked the question
when I wasn't there.
1215
01:14:52,346 --> 01:14:55,611
Now that I'm here
they try to elicit a different answer,
1216
01:14:55,641 --> 01:14:58,865
so that you appear as a hypocrite.
Don't you understand?
1217
01:14:58,895 --> 01:15:01,450
- I understand.
- That's how journalism works.
1218
01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:03,744
They are not credible journalists.
1219
01:15:03,774 --> 01:15:06,539
They are cameramen, but they don't know…
1220
01:15:06,569 --> 01:15:10,209
- So you think that because I had...
- They are deceiving you.
1221
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,671
Would I say anything to them
that I wouldn't tell you?
1222
01:15:13,701 --> 01:15:15,756
That's right.
1223
01:15:15,786 --> 01:15:18,676
- I don't know that.
- That's probably more true than false.
1224
01:15:18,706 --> 01:15:21,304
- That's what people do.
- We don't want to be deceived.
1225
01:15:21,334 --> 01:15:25,391
No, but you want him
to give different answers.
1226
01:15:25,421 --> 01:15:27,059
Was it a sensitive topic?
1227
01:15:27,089 --> 01:15:29,604
I know questions are tricky
1228
01:15:29,634 --> 01:15:31,439
because I know how it works.
1229
01:15:31,469 --> 01:15:34,317
I don't want to be on your side
and defend yourself.
1230
01:15:34,347 --> 01:15:36,944
I have not written a biography.
1231
01:15:36,974 --> 01:15:39,739
I write for myself
and you are your own person.
1232
01:15:39,769 --> 01:15:43,139
We stop. Is it over? are we ok
1233
01:15:46,776 --> 01:15:48,477
That was a good question.
1234
01:15:51,697 --> 01:15:53,649
Come here. I have a question.
1235
01:15:54,408 --> 01:15:55,838
- Are you feeling well?
- Yes.
1236
01:15:55,868 --> 01:15:58,946
Come and get a hug.
1237
01:15:59,455 --> 01:16:01,427
Here are all friends,
1238
01:16:01,457 --> 01:16:04,847
but as Gay says,
so it won't always be like that.
1239
01:16:04,877 --> 01:16:07,224
Yes. You have to stay away from them.
1240
01:16:07,254 --> 01:16:09,832
If you start talking before the book is released
1241
01:16:10,216 --> 01:16:12,855
will they use it against the book
1242
01:16:12,885 --> 01:16:16,150
- to make it worse.
- Do they want to blackmail me?
1243
01:16:16,180 --> 01:16:18,736
They want to take advantage of you
because you are a hot topic.
1244
01:16:18,766 --> 01:16:20,738
You are new. You have been on the internet.
1245
01:16:20,768 --> 01:16:24,033
You've been to the New Yorker.
You are a hot topic.
1246
01:16:24,063 --> 01:16:25,973
- I understand.
- Okay.
1247
01:16:26,691 --> 01:16:28,746
Go in to the camera.
I want to sit here.
1248
01:16:28,776 --> 01:16:30,790
A pinch of fresh air?
1249
01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:32,938
I can stay here for an hour.
1250
01:16:35,408 --> 01:16:39,048
It's private and that's how I want it.
1251
01:16:39,078 --> 01:16:41,175
I'm used to private spaces.
1252
01:16:41,205 --> 01:16:43,719
The spaces where no one sees me,
where I see them.
1253
01:16:43,749 --> 01:16:44,992
Good.
1254
01:16:46,752 --> 01:16:50,893
I have given up
enough work and time.
1255
01:16:50,923 --> 01:16:54,021
I waited for him for more than 25 years
1256
01:16:54,051 --> 01:16:58,192
to get him out of the dark wind.
1257
01:16:58,222 --> 01:17:01,362
But I waited with great patience
1258
01:17:01,392 --> 01:17:06,472
until I could bring him out
and his story in the light.
1259
01:17:06,939 --> 01:17:08,139
The story is good.
1260
01:17:08,524 --> 01:17:12,102
I will keep in touch
with him till we die.
1261
01:17:14,488 --> 01:17:16,460
How nice!
1262
01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:17,942
Okay.
1263
01:17:20,411 --> 01:17:24,468
Many researchers want you to believe
that they are always professional,
1264
01:17:24,498 --> 01:17:26,637
objective and in control,
1265
01:17:26,667 --> 01:17:29,745
that they do everything in the name of work,
but that is not true.
1266
01:17:31,839 --> 01:17:36,105
I think everyone
who ventures into such a risky existence
1267
01:17:36,135 --> 01:17:39,775
or immerses himself in something
which can be ground-breaking...
1268
01:17:39,805 --> 01:17:42,778
I want to see my work as groundbreaking.
1269
01:17:42,808 --> 01:17:44,843
But you always take risks.
1270
01:17:45,269 --> 01:17:46,991
What does it look like?
1271
01:17:47,021 --> 01:17:49,076
It fits.
1272
01:17:49,106 --> 01:17:51,016
It is perfect.
1273
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:57,960
You have many points in the book,
but what's the point now?
1274
01:17:57,990 --> 01:18:02,111
You have done thorough research.
What do we gain from it?
1275
01:18:02,661 --> 01:18:05,801
Offer some advice after all the work.
1276
01:18:05,831 --> 01:18:09,096
I want to be identified as a reporter,
not a champion.
1277
01:18:09,126 --> 01:18:11,724
I am a field reporter
who has told about the United States.
1278
01:18:11,754 --> 01:18:13,059
Some dislike it.
1279
01:18:13,089 --> 01:18:15,291
Some see it as truthful.
1280
01:18:19,845 --> 01:18:22,423
Everyone wants to write
the great American novel.
1281
01:18:22,932 --> 01:18:24,737
For what the hell reason?
1282
01:18:24,767 --> 01:18:28,846
I want to do something that no one wants to see
as big, but as it is in my opinion.
1283
01:18:34,568 --> 01:18:37,374
I dislike your methods
and at first Ithought
1284
01:18:37,404 --> 01:18:39,585
that you were just a scumbag.
1285
01:18:39,615 --> 01:18:43,380
But you're just a reporter
trying to show something.
1286
01:18:43,410 --> 01:18:45,571
That's the kindest thing you can say about me.
1287
01:18:46,455 --> 01:18:49,261
I never know what people will think.
1288
01:18:49,291 --> 01:18:51,118
I have received many bad reviews.
1289
01:18:55,256 --> 01:18:58,208
The voyeur is full of big dreams.
1290
01:18:58,759 --> 01:19:01,462
He thinks he's going to be a star
1291
01:19:02,012 --> 01:19:05,049
and that the book will be read
throughout the world.
1292
01:19:06,058 --> 01:19:09,573
I don't know what will happen.
Not him either.
1293
01:19:09,603 --> 01:19:11,055
We'll see.
1294
01:19:11,605 --> 01:19:15,809
THE WEEK OF THE BOOK RELEASE
1295
01:19:20,114 --> 01:19:22,358
What the hell are we doing?
1296
01:19:23,367 --> 01:19:24,610
How...
1297
01:19:27,746 --> 01:19:31,137
I have only received bad news
for three days.
1298
01:19:31,167 --> 01:19:33,535
My biggest mistake
1299
01:19:34,211 --> 01:19:37,456
where to talk to
a Washington Postreporter.
1300
01:19:38,674 --> 01:19:40,459
- Paul Farhi.
- Paul Farhi.
1301
01:19:43,596 --> 01:19:45,923
I'm so tired
that I don't even remember my name.
1302
01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:54,451
I received an email from Farhi. He wrote:
“I would like to talk to you.
1303
01:19:54,481 --> 01:19:56,850
I want to discuss some deviations.
1304
01:19:57,318 --> 01:20:03,043
I have information that invalidates
large parts of what you wrote
1305
01:20:03,073 --> 01:20:08,112
and leads to doubt
about your reputation as a reporter."
1306
01:20:09,914 --> 01:20:13,470
Year 1980
did the voyeur sell the motel to someone,
1307
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:16,849
- a friend named...
- Earl.
1308
01:20:16,879 --> 01:20:20,249
- Earl Ballard.
- Earl Ballard.
1309
01:20:20,966 --> 01:20:22,418
I had never heard the name.
1310
01:20:22,801 --> 01:20:27,443
How could I quote
from the voyeur's journals
1311
01:20:27,473 --> 01:20:30,905
when he is under six years of age
didn't even own the damn motel?
1312
01:20:30,935 --> 01:20:36,660
I am speechless,
furious, frustrated and helpless.
1313
01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:38,245
I cannot defend myself
1314
01:20:38,275 --> 01:20:44,857
for the Washington Post reporter
gave me factual information
1315
01:20:45,866 --> 01:20:49,173
which he has verified
and the actions are public.
1316
01:20:49,203 --> 01:20:53,219
I felt... I have failed.
The book is a failure.
1317
01:20:53,249 --> 01:20:59,621
So I said the book is like washed away.
1318
01:21:01,006 --> 01:21:06,065
GAY TALESE DISTANCES FROM LATEST BOOK
WHEN CREDIBILITY IS QUESTIONED
1319
01:21:06,095 --> 01:21:08,442
"I'm not going to promote the book."
1320
01:21:08,472 --> 01:21:11,445
“How can I do that
when the credibility is like washed away?"
1321
01:21:11,475 --> 01:21:15,387
Now I have flushed the damn book.
1322
01:21:15,938 --> 01:21:17,326
Now it's over.
1323
01:21:17,356 --> 01:21:23,312
The article in the Washington Post
has reached the whole world.
1324
01:21:23,988 --> 01:21:27,336
GAY TALESE DISTANCES FROM HIS BOOK
BEFORE IT IS PUBLISHED
1325
01:21:27,366 --> 01:21:30,047
FLUSHED AWAY
1326
01:21:30,077 --> 01:21:31,840
DROPPED HIS OWN BOOK
1327
01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:33,550
AUTHOR IN THE HOT AIR.
1328
01:21:33,580 --> 01:21:35,469
This is the end.
1329
01:21:35,499 --> 01:21:37,554
This is the end for me.
1330
01:21:37,584 --> 01:21:39,848
FACED WITH CREDIBILITY QUESTIONS
1331
01:21:39,878 --> 01:21:41,475
HAS GAY TALESE BEEN SCAMMED?
1332
01:21:41,505 --> 01:21:44,728
He lied to me.
I interviewed a liar.
1333
01:21:44,758 --> 01:21:47,898
I never saw Gerald as…
1334
01:21:47,928 --> 01:21:52,403
I didn't talk to Walter Cronkite.
I was talking to a madman.
1335
01:21:52,433 --> 01:21:55,572
I thought I knew a little,
but I didn't know him at all.
1336
01:21:55,602 --> 01:22:00,452
He took me on a long trip
which destroys
1337
01:22:00,482 --> 01:22:03,185
my career and my reputation.
1338
01:22:03,986 --> 01:22:07,272
Answer and ask them to call you back.
1339
01:22:10,242 --> 01:22:14,758
I called Gerald Foos.
I said, “What the hell is going on?”
1340
01:22:14,788 --> 01:22:18,408
I was mad.
The book was already published.
1341
01:22:19,293 --> 01:22:23,914
I screamed: “My reputation is ruined!
1342
01:22:24,506 --> 01:22:25,749
Yours too.
1343
01:22:26,175 --> 01:22:30,316
Our fucking careers are over.
Now we're done.
1344
01:22:30,346 --> 01:22:33,152
I have been led behind the light
1345
01:22:33,182 --> 01:22:36,655
or led by you
in search of a true and good story.
1346
01:22:36,685 --> 01:22:37,740
It's really good.
1347
01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:40,492
But now I have to
defend it as non-fiction.
1348
01:22:40,522 --> 01:22:42,494
I didn't believe
that I wrote fiction.
1349
01:22:42,524 --> 01:22:45,602
You have made me stand out
like a trickster."
1350
01:22:48,822 --> 01:22:51,900
I thought Earl Ballard was dead.
1351
01:22:52,576 --> 01:22:55,758
He wasn't in the story that much,
1352
01:22:55,788 --> 01:22:58,407
so I thought I'd leave it at that.
1353
01:22:58,791 --> 01:23:02,556
But the opposite was true, so...
1354
01:23:02,586 --> 01:23:05,664
Earl and I observed together.
1355
01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:10,335
The purchase of the Manor House
was his whole motivation.
1356
01:23:10,677 --> 01:23:14,798
My agreement with him
just be a friend to another.
1357
01:23:15,849 --> 01:23:18,343
Or voyeur to voyeur.
1358
01:23:19,561 --> 01:23:24,828
When I sold it to him,
he let me come and go as I pleased.
1359
01:23:24,858 --> 01:23:26,685
Almost every night.
1360
01:23:27,653 --> 01:23:31,064
But he doesn't want anyone to know
that he was a voyeur.
1361
01:23:32,366 --> 01:23:34,610
His word is against mine.
1362
01:23:35,202 --> 01:23:37,883
And the book...
1363
01:23:37,913 --> 01:23:41,033
It sounds like God is tearing it apart.
1364
01:23:44,336 --> 01:23:45,766
It's gloomy here.
1365
01:23:45,796 --> 01:23:49,666
It is cloudy
and it fits when I feel like this.
1366
01:23:51,135 --> 01:23:54,421
I wish
that I could hide somewhere.
1367
01:23:55,472 --> 01:24:00,114
Gay said: “We will die old men
1368
01:24:00,144 --> 01:24:02,721
and we will be seen as liars.”
1369
01:24:08,986 --> 01:24:12,835
I disappointed everyone. Especially Gay.
1370
01:24:12,865 --> 01:24:18,153
He is such a proud and sincere man,
and I ruined his life.
1371
01:24:28,797 --> 01:24:32,417
But it's too late.
The damage is already done.
1372
01:24:33,302 --> 01:24:36,254
It took a toll on the book. It is dead.
1373
01:24:37,514 --> 01:24:39,466
It's really dead.
1374
01:24:41,351 --> 01:24:45,430
AUTHOR FEELS CHEATED
1375
01:24:48,692 --> 01:24:50,310
How many do they have?
1376
01:24:51,028 --> 01:24:53,667
Here it is. A?
1377
01:24:53,697 --> 01:24:56,650
- Did they sell three?
- Total.
1378
01:24:57,284 --> 01:24:59,486
oh god...
1379
01:24:59,745 --> 01:25:01,905
The book is truly hidden.
1380
01:25:02,456 --> 01:25:03,907
No one will see it.
1381
01:25:07,252 --> 01:25:09,558
- No one will see it.
- Can I watch?
1382
01:25:09,588 --> 01:25:11,852
In New York I thought
1383
01:25:11,882 --> 01:25:13,959
that it would sell five million.
1384
01:25:14,718 --> 01:25:16,732
What reviews?
1385
01:25:16,762 --> 01:25:19,902
- Do you want to see them?
- I want to see a couple of them.
1386
01:25:19,932 --> 01:25:23,697
This one is from the New York Times.
This one is from Vulture.
1387
01:25:23,727 --> 01:25:25,991
"Controversial." That doesn't sound good.
1388
01:25:26,021 --> 01:25:30,829
JACK SHAFER REVIEWS GAY TALES
CONTROVERSIAL BOOKS ABOUT VOYEURISM
1389
01:25:30,859 --> 01:25:33,874
They claim that everything
which I have written is a lie.
1390
01:25:33,904 --> 01:25:35,856
They claim Gay knows about it.
1391
01:25:36,615 --> 01:25:41,507
Who is this idiot, Jack Shafer?
1392
01:25:41,537 --> 01:25:45,052
This is the worst
that I have ever seen.
1393
01:25:45,082 --> 01:25:46,825
Can I see, Anita?
1394
01:25:48,752 --> 01:25:54,166
This one really kills the book.
1395
01:25:54,716 --> 01:25:57,753
Not a single good word.
1396
01:25:59,179 --> 01:26:03,737
I understand why he hasn't called.
He absorbed all of this.
1397
01:26:03,767 --> 01:26:08,054
I've only read the first page
and it's pure nightmare.
1398
01:26:09,606 --> 01:26:13,185
I think we're pulling in the book
and forget the matter.
1399
01:26:17,447 --> 01:26:18,335
Here.
1400
01:26:18,365 --> 01:26:21,735
We knew something was up.
You didn't want to tell.
1401
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,118
He has been criticized
because he didn't report me.
1402
01:26:30,752 --> 01:26:32,349
It says like this.
1403
01:26:32,379 --> 01:26:35,874
"Talese is equally guilty." "Pity back."
1404
01:26:36,675 --> 01:26:39,898
Talese said:
“Again, I have to be responsible for myself.
1405
01:26:39,928 --> 01:26:41,922
But the real problem lies ahead."
1406
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:49,012
There seems to be a crack
between Gay and me.
1407
01:26:49,938 --> 01:26:52,911
It can never be fixed.
1408
01:26:52,941 --> 01:26:57,124
I blame him and he blames me.
It's just the way it is.
1409
01:26:57,154 --> 01:27:00,398
And all this…
1410
01:27:01,575 --> 01:27:04,528
I feel like ruining it.
1411
01:27:06,246 --> 01:27:09,886
The voyeur is pointed out
1412
01:27:09,916 --> 01:27:11,888
like really disgusting.
1413
01:27:11,918 --> 01:27:14,663
You are.
1414
01:27:15,339 --> 01:27:17,582
My God, Anita.
1415
01:27:18,091 --> 01:27:19,292
Well…
1416
01:27:19,926 --> 01:27:21,503
I guess so…
1417
01:27:37,194 --> 01:27:40,208
- What do you do for a living?
- Nothing.
1418
01:27:40,238 --> 01:27:41,710
CONGRATULATIONS GERALD!
1419
01:27:41,740 --> 01:27:43,211
- Gerald?
- What is it?
1420
01:27:43,241 --> 01:27:45,589
Has that honor today
1421
01:27:45,619 --> 01:27:46,923
How kind!
1422
01:27:46,953 --> 01:27:50,010
Has that honor today
1423
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,221
Have the honor, dear Gerald
1424
01:27:53,251 --> 01:27:56,183
Has that honor today
1425
01:27:56,213 --> 01:27:57,893
Want to blow out the candle?
1426
01:27:57,923 --> 01:27:59,541
Make a wish first.
1427
01:28:28,912 --> 01:28:31,531
Late Night with Seth Meyers.
1428
01:28:32,374 --> 01:28:34,534
Tonight, Kristen Wiig.
1429
01:28:35,544 --> 01:28:37,099
Keke Palmer.
1430
01:28:37,129 --> 01:28:39,184
Author Gay Talese.
1431
01:28:39,214 --> 01:28:40,352
There he is.
1432
01:28:40,382 --> 01:28:42,896
With 8G Band with Thomas Lang.
1433
01:28:42,926 --> 01:28:44,231
Welcome back.
1434
01:28:44,261 --> 01:28:45,565
Our next guest
1435
01:28:45,595 --> 01:28:48,276
is one of the 20th century
most influential journalists.
1436
01:28:48,306 --> 01:28:51,405
His latest book The Voyeur's Motel
available to buy now.
1437
01:28:51,435 --> 01:28:54,721
Now we welcome
the talented legend Gay Talese!
1438
01:29:02,612 --> 01:29:04,543
I wanted to be a writer
1439
01:29:04,573 --> 01:29:07,921
for the wrong rather than the right people,
on the wrong side.
1440
01:29:07,951 --> 01:29:11,383
In this book you found someone
which may be on the wrong page.
1441
01:29:11,413 --> 01:29:12,759
He contacted you
1442
01:29:12,789 --> 01:29:15,721
and said:
“I think you want to write about this.”
1443
01:29:15,751 --> 01:29:18,662
- He contacted the right person.
- Yes
1444
01:29:19,671 --> 01:29:20,767
I have a question.
1445
01:29:20,797 --> 01:29:22,394
You were interviewed in the Washington Post
1446
01:29:22,424 --> 01:29:25,480
because discrepancies had been found
in his history
1447
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:27,899
what was true when he owned the hotel.
1448
01:29:27,929 --> 01:29:32,320
You even write in the book
that you cannot vouch for everything.
1449
01:29:32,350 --> 01:29:34,448
Was it fair by Washington Post
1450
01:29:34,478 --> 01:29:36,324
to criticize you
because everything was not right?
1451
01:29:36,354 --> 01:29:40,787
This may sound self-serving,
but that is not my intention.
1452
01:29:40,817 --> 01:29:42,372
The Washington Post was wrong.
1453
01:29:42,402 --> 01:29:46,543
According to them, he did not own the motel
for a period.
1454
01:29:46,573 --> 01:29:49,337
I didn't know about it and got upset.
1455
01:29:49,367 --> 01:29:52,048
I said: "I cannot defend the book."
1456
01:29:52,078 --> 01:29:55,385
But the next day I called
the one who bought the motel
1457
01:29:55,415 --> 01:29:58,805
and he said: "No, he kept the key."
1458
01:29:58,835 --> 01:30:03,018
If I had known then as I know now,
1459
01:30:03,048 --> 01:30:04,728
had I not distanced myself.
1460
01:30:04,758 --> 01:30:06,855
I made a mistake and overreacted.
1461
01:30:06,885 --> 01:30:09,357
I became very angry and embarrassed
1462
01:30:09,387 --> 01:30:13,800
because I had always been proud of
to be a reliable reporter.
1463
01:30:21,107 --> 01:30:24,144
If Gay were here I would have said:
“I'm sorry.
1464
01:30:24,861 --> 01:30:29,607
I know we somehow
can agree.
1465
01:30:31,409 --> 01:30:36,176
We always trusted each other
1466
01:30:36,206 --> 01:30:37,969
and I think I let you down
1467
01:30:37,999 --> 01:30:42,454
by not telling the truth
on Earl Ballard.”
1468
01:30:44,673 --> 01:30:48,710
In the journals I wrote about the voyeur.
1469
01:30:49,678 --> 01:30:52,839
It is empty and lonely.
1470
01:30:54,766 --> 01:30:57,489
You have no one to talk to
1471
01:30:57,519 --> 01:30:59,596
or tell how you feel for.
1472
01:31:01,773 --> 01:31:05,372
When I talk to you, I feel it
1473
01:31:05,402 --> 01:31:07,729
as if something were opening
1474
01:31:09,072 --> 01:31:13,151
and I can free myself
from those thoughts.
1475
01:31:15,203 --> 01:31:16,633
I love you.
1476
01:31:16,663 --> 01:31:20,762
I feel a kind of kinship with you
1477
01:31:20,792 --> 01:31:23,828
which I don't know very many.
1478
01:31:27,716 --> 01:31:30,293
It surprised me
1479
01:31:31,052 --> 01:31:33,817
that you achieved such a good collaboration.
1480
01:31:33,847 --> 01:31:39,594
I never believed
that you would come and film him.
1481
01:31:42,814 --> 01:31:47,185
When I got permission to ask you to come,
1482
01:31:48,820 --> 01:31:55,109
So he started on the first day
to speak freely.
1483
01:31:57,912 --> 01:32:02,367
I thought, "Does he know what he's doing?"
1484
01:32:07,213 --> 01:32:08,560
THE LIFE OF AN AUTHOR
1485
01:32:08,590 --> 01:32:13,002
He opened his home to you,
his bedroom and his wife.
1486
01:32:15,138 --> 01:32:18,800
He liked the publicity
and he turned on the camera.
1487
01:32:22,103 --> 01:32:24,180
And there it was.
1488
01:32:24,981 --> 01:32:26,808
The reverse situation.
1489
01:32:31,196 --> 01:32:33,356
Now he is guarded.
1490
01:34:50,752 --> 01:34:52,954
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