1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,019 So you feel like I'm pushing an agenda? 2 00:00:04,340 --> 00:00:05,760 Yeah. What is the agenda? 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,780 You hate white people, okay? So why don't you get over yourself? Why don't 4 00:00:09,780 --> 00:00:13,700 apologize for your ancestors from thousands of years ago? Because you're 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Louis. Aren't you? Aren't you white? 6 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:21,140 Yeah. Oh, so why don't you apologize for who you are? Because you're a disgrace. 7 00:00:21,780 --> 00:00:22,860 You're seething now. 8 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,200 No, you're seething. You look like you're about to start crying. You're the 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,200 that's crying. Why are you so triggered? 10 00:00:26,300 --> 00:00:27,300 Come on, man. 11 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:28,700 Okay, let's finish this. 12 00:00:30,250 --> 00:00:34,350 For several months, I'd been spending time with a new incarnation of the far 13 00:00:34,350 --> 00:00:36,830 right. America first, bitch! 14 00:00:39,450 --> 00:00:42,750 You think America should be majority white? 15 00:00:43,010 --> 00:00:47,610 Yes, yes. It's not a bigoted thing, it's not a white nationalist thing or a 16 00:00:47,610 --> 00:00:48,610 hateful thing. 17 00:00:48,650 --> 00:00:49,650 America first! 18 00:00:50,010 --> 00:00:51,110 America first! 19 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:57,370 A movement spawned online and defined by racism, misogyny and homophobia. 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,660 Racism's a new rock and roll, and I'm the biggest rock star of all. 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,220 Using social media and streaming to radicalize its young audience. 22 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:10,180 Let me tell you a joke. Black lives don't matter. 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,860 Isn't there some part of you that thinks that's not really where I want to be? 24 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:18,460 No, I actually enjoy racist humor and misogyny. I think that's awesome. I 25 00:01:18,460 --> 00:01:20,220 we need more racist jokes, to be honest. 26 00:01:20,780 --> 00:01:23,140 You will not replace us! 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,000 You will not replace us! 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:33,380 At a time when internet hate is increasingly leading to real world 29 00:01:33,380 --> 00:01:37,340 was attempting to understand the motivation and the technique of a new 30 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:39,580 generation of homegrown extremists. 31 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:41,640 You did a Nazi salute. 32 00:01:42,020 --> 00:01:43,200 I did not do a Nazi salute. 33 00:01:43,580 --> 00:01:45,780 You should get the f*** out of my house. 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,360 On the front line of a cultural war. 35 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:52,100 Are you kind of making a documentary about me while I make one about you? 36 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:55,670 Well, I can't tell you, but you're dealing with one of the world's most 37 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:56,930 intricate internet trolls. 38 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:27,940 In Orlando, Florida, outside CPAC, the Conservative Political Action 39 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:31,720 I was with the followers of a rising star of the far right. 40 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,280 His 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:43,060 name 42 00:02:43,060 --> 00:02:44,360 is Nicholas J. Fuentes. 43 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,080 22 years old and a fan of Donald Trump, he's considered too extreme, even for 44 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,720 the right wing of the Republican Party. 45 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,500 and it's banned from their events. 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,980 I'd like to go to CPAC. 47 00:02:56,220 --> 00:02:58,800 No, you cannot. There are no more tickets. There's no more tickets? 48 00:03:00,540 --> 00:03:01,540 CPAC sucked. 49 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,280 It's gay. 50 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:04,400 They're not conservative. 51 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,420 Yeah, we're leaving. 52 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:07,459 We're leaving. 53 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:08,800 America first! 54 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:10,140 America first! 55 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,540 Reportedly barred from CPAC, for the last two years, Nick has run his own 56 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:20,460 AFPAC, the America First Political Action Conference, a short distance 57 00:03:25,460 --> 00:03:28,620 We were the first television crew it allowed in to film. 58 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,660 Okay, so here we are. This is going to be our conference tomorrow. 59 00:03:32,060 --> 00:03:35,660 You're in charge of this, right? Yeah. We got our helpers around. They're just 60 00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:36,660 setting up the tables. 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,180 So they're putting out these which are stickers, right? Yes. America first 62 00:03:40,180 --> 00:03:41,560 bitch. Yeah. 63 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,100 There should be a comma there because it's not like, you know, I'm an America 64 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,100 first bitch. 65 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,420 They messed it up. Yeah. 66 00:03:49,180 --> 00:03:52,240 That makes it sound like you're the bitch. Right, I know. 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,840 that's the worst possible outcome. I know. You could go around just doing a 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,860 comma in all of them. Yeah, yeah, we could get a white sharpie. 69 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:07,040 Otherwise, I know. In terms of what America First represents, am I right in 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,020 thinking that for you something that you call demographics is big? 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:12,739 It's radical. 72 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:13,478 What is that? 73 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,140 Well, demographics is just obviously the people that comprise the nation. 74 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,560 And, you know, people take that to mean race. 75 00:04:20,910 --> 00:04:23,010 And race is a big part of it. But demographics. 76 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:27,930 Is it for you? Big part of it, period. I think, you know, just racial 77 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:31,390 demographics are very salient right now, given Black Lives Matter. 78 00:04:31,690 --> 00:04:36,250 But it's about recognizing that race is not everything, but it's not nothing. If 79 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:40,290 you change the people in America and you change the place that is America, is it 80 00:04:40,290 --> 00:04:41,510 really still America anymore? 81 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,780 Is it really still our home? I think that's the question. And the answer to 82 00:04:45,780 --> 00:04:46,579 is no. 83 00:04:46,580 --> 00:04:48,920 Am I right in thinking you want no immigration? 84 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,420 Yeah, more or less. 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,700 Including legal? 86 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:53,500 Correct, yeah. 87 00:04:57,140 --> 00:04:58,260 How's the setup coming? 88 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:05,000 In the last several years, Nick has emerged as the new voice of the far 89 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:11,570 hosting a nightly show which he streamed from Chicago to thousands of homes 90 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:13,330 around the US and the world. 91 00:05:13,930 --> 00:05:16,730 Why do we need people coming into our countries? 92 00:05:16,970 --> 00:05:21,670 The United States was doing just fine before all these immigrants came here. 93 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:25,110 take them out of countries like the Middle East. How do they repay that 94 00:05:25,110 --> 00:05:27,150 generosity? They rape our children. 95 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:30,350 And you see skulls, you see filth. 96 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:36,270 In his broadcasts, Nick embraces views and language that are racist, 97 00:05:36,410 --> 00:05:41,830 sexist and anti -Semitic, packaging the most extreme statements as jokes and 98 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:42,830 irony. 99 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,240 What's your problem with Jews? What is your problem with the Jewish people? Why 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,540 on earth do you have such a problem with them? I say, you know what? I have a 101 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:53,720 big problem with Jews. 102 00:05:53,980 --> 00:05:56,860 There's not enough of them. There's not enough of them to go around. 103 00:05:57,340 --> 00:06:03,160 Hello, folks. Nick Fuentes here. We are in sunny Charlottesville, Virginia. 104 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,640 In 2017, aged just 18, he was at the infamous Unite the Right rally in 105 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,640 Charlottesville, Virginia. 106 00:06:11,020 --> 00:06:12,020 Hands up! 107 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:18,390 Where anti -racism protester Heather Heyer was killed by a Hitler -obsessed 108 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:19,390 -year -old. 109 00:06:21,470 --> 00:06:26,070 The tragic outcome and the evident extremism of the event led to the 110 00:06:26,070 --> 00:06:28,470 disintegration of the so -called alt -right. 111 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:32,990 Many younger members regrouped under Nick's leadership. 112 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:40,030 I'm Louis, how do you do? Nice to meet you. Are you part of the cause? 113 00:06:40,810 --> 00:06:41,830 Yes, sir. Absolutely. 114 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:44,530 How did you first find out about Nick and America First? 115 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:47,770 Well, you know, there was a lot of confusion in kind of the right -wing 116 00:06:47,770 --> 00:06:51,570 political space at the time. And there were some very nasty people, you know, 117 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:56,250 kind of involved in different movements, different groups. And Nick was like one 118 00:06:56,250 --> 00:07:00,030 of the only people who was kind of identifying what these guys were doing 119 00:07:00,030 --> 00:07:03,690 and how we could build something that was like infinitely better, you know. 120 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:07,390 What did you see, Nick, that was, as you saw it being done incorrectly? 121 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,740 I went to Charlottesville to protest the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue. 122 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,220 I went to Charlottesville to protest mass immigration. 123 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:19,160 Then you get there and you see people throwing up a Roman salute and, you 124 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,960 you see a Nazi flag and it's like, well, this isn't really what I signed up for. 125 00:07:23,020 --> 00:07:26,640 And all these people are like total freaks. They don't like America. They're 126 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,220 Christian. So what the hell are we really doing here? So America first kind 127 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:36,020 emerged from that moment of confusion of where does the Internet right wing go 128 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:37,560 after Trump? 129 00:07:37,930 --> 00:07:38,970 And after Charlottesville. 130 00:07:39,550 --> 00:07:40,870 We're almost ready for a test. 131 00:07:41,230 --> 00:07:42,230 Okay, great. 132 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:44,810 Getting our projectors set up. 133 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:46,550 Wow, look at that. 134 00:07:47,470 --> 00:07:49,770 Hey, Steven. This is Louis Theroux. 135 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:50,629 Are you familiar? 136 00:07:50,630 --> 00:07:52,670 Yeah, nice to meet you. How are you doing? Oh, yeah, nice to meet you. Yeah, 137 00:07:52,670 --> 00:07:56,270 likewise. CBC, right? Yeah, that's it. This guy's a documentarian, too. 138 00:07:56,650 --> 00:07:59,910 You are, too? Are you here filming as well? Yeah, we're going to be doing a 139 00:07:59,910 --> 00:08:02,670 documentary. About Nick? Yeah. Who is yours for? 140 00:08:03,370 --> 00:08:06,730 It's for America First. For me. So you're funding it? Mm -hmm. 141 00:08:07,590 --> 00:08:08,590 Very cool. 142 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:12,590 That'll be nice because then you can decide what goes in and what doesn't go 143 00:08:12,590 --> 00:08:13,590 That's right, yeah. 144 00:08:16,570 --> 00:08:18,090 What's going on, Junior? 145 00:08:18,710 --> 00:08:20,210 Are you going to AFPAC too? 146 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:22,230 Yes. 147 00:08:22,430 --> 00:08:25,030 How are you doing? Can we say hi? I'm Louis from the BBC. 148 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:26,830 Nice to meet you. 149 00:08:27,250 --> 00:08:29,370 Hi. Are you part of America First as well? 150 00:08:29,650 --> 00:08:31,490 I don't think you're a reporter. Oh, okay. 151 00:08:31,950 --> 00:08:33,370 No problem. Cute baby. 152 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:39,830 I was curious to speak to a female member of the tribe because so far I've 153 00:08:39,830 --> 00:08:41,549 mainly been seeing guys. Yeah, it's all guys. 154 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:46,430 I mean, we try to, as best as we can, keep women out of the inner circle. 155 00:08:46,610 --> 00:08:49,810 when they get involved in these dissident political movements, they tend 156 00:08:49,810 --> 00:08:53,990 total disaster because this is a high pressure, extremely high pressure 157 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:58,010 environment. Women tend to crack under the pressure and they tend to cause 158 00:08:58,010 --> 00:09:01,470 friction within the group. Is it your view that women... 159 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:05,680 Really, their role is in the home rather than in the workplace? 160 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:11,460 Yeah, 100%. Women have been convinced that it's dignified to abandon your 161 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:16,280 children, I mean, from their womb, literally, to go work in an office, you 162 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,400 to go work for a corporation. 163 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:22,100 How sick is that? Women should still have the right to vote, right? 164 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,800 I mean, I don't think so, but that's probably not going away anytime soon. 165 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:30,420 That's pretty fringe, isn't it, thinking women? 166 00:09:31,390 --> 00:09:32,830 Maybe you shouldn't have the right to vote. 167 00:09:33,170 --> 00:09:37,190 Yeah, but, I mean, look, the society's broken. 168 00:09:37,730 --> 00:09:42,470 So people that are in the mainstream are, you know, they're participating in 169 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:44,010 totally broken system, you know. 170 00:09:44,290 --> 00:09:48,490 So it's like, if the society's totally destroyed, wouldn't it be the people on 171 00:09:48,490 --> 00:09:51,930 the fringes that are, would have the antidote? 172 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:55,490 Whatever side of the fringe, but wouldn't it be the people on the 173 00:09:55,770 --> 00:09:59,730 Because the people on the inside are fucking everything up, you know, for 174 00:09:59,730 --> 00:10:00,730 of a better word. 175 00:10:02,090 --> 00:10:03,090 That's how I see it. 176 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:23,970 To his young fans, Nick is an icon. 177 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:29,310 Many of them have come up socialising via online video games, immersed in the 178 00:10:29,310 --> 00:10:30,310 culture of the internet. 179 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,360 How would you characterize what Nick is doing? Is he on the rise, do you think? 180 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,840 He has become, in only four years, the most successful dissident political 181 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,160 movement in modern history. 182 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,600 And he has the capability to get thousands of young people to show up in 183 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:46,660 state in a moment's notice. 184 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,100 How is he doing that? 185 00:10:48,460 --> 00:10:52,680 In that gaming and meme culture, right? And he uses the same type of ironic 186 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,560 jokes that they do. So that's how he's able to attract a younger crowd. 187 00:10:56,750 --> 00:11:00,290 You seem young. Are you at university at the moment? I am, yes. You're a 188 00:11:00,290 --> 00:11:01,370 student? That's correct. 189 00:11:01,630 --> 00:11:05,230 It's important to get young people politically engaged to control not only 190 00:11:05,230 --> 00:11:08,570 direction that the country is headed as a whole, but especially the direction 191 00:11:08,570 --> 00:11:12,610 that the conservative movement is headed in. Are you a gamer? Is that part of 192 00:11:12,610 --> 00:11:13,950 what's going on as well? 193 00:11:14,250 --> 00:11:17,630 I think that's generally something that would fit into the personality of a lot 194 00:11:17,630 --> 00:11:20,190 of the attendees of this conference. I think, you know, we generally like to 195 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:23,190 game a little bit of, you know, Fortnite, Call of Duty here and there. 196 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:25,190 How did you connect with Nick? 197 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,480 We used to play Fortnite together. 198 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,480 You and Nick? Yeah. For real? 199 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:29,700 It's the new golf course. 200 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:33,400 Through Trump and through politics and stuff, we kind of had similar ideas and 201 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,280 stuff, and we just kind of became friends over the Internet, over Twitter. 202 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,780 Alongside his gamer following, Nick has also made inroads in the political 203 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:46,320 establishment. Among the attendees was former congressman Steve King. 204 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,480 One of the things that Nick and America first have been criticized for is being 205 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,340 racist, right? I mean, that's basically... He's accused of being a 206 00:11:53,340 --> 00:11:54,340 supremacist. 207 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:01,020 An anti -Semitic? What we believe is that we are created by God and all of us 208 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:05,120 created in his image. And once you accept that, then there's no room for 209 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,180 racism whatsoever. 210 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:11,420 And the interaction I've had with the young people that are here, this is the 211 00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:16,520 energy core that will put America back on the rails again because so much of 212 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,160 has run off the rails in the last year. 213 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:23,480 The event was sold out with around 300 attendees. 214 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,020 and thousands more watching live online. 215 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,780 A young underground bringing the taboo culture of the darker parts of the 216 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:32,520 Internet into the real world. 217 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:48,080 When I see what's going on in the country, I don't want to listen to some 218 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,980 these five -hour podcasts about policymaking. 219 00:12:51,850 --> 00:12:56,490 I want to get in front of somebody and say, it's America first, bitch. 220 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:05,830 America is a Christian nation. 221 00:13:09,850 --> 00:13:16,770 America ceases to retain 222 00:13:16,770 --> 00:13:19,190 that English cultural framework. 223 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:26,800 and the influence of European civilization, if it loses its white 224 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:33,440 core, and if it loses its faith in Jesus Christ, then this is not 225 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,900 America anymore. 226 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:45,660 And I know some people aren't going to like me saying this. I'm sure you all 227 00:13:45,660 --> 00:13:48,020 going to love what I'm about to say, but... 228 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,300 People watching at home are not, some of them are not going, it's controversial. 229 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,440 Well, it's really, it's true, but it's something that you can't say anymore. 230 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,360 White people founded this country. 231 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,520 This country wouldn't exist without white people. 232 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,120 And white people are done. 233 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:49,120 It was shocking to hear Nick's vision using lies and distortion to promote an 234 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,520 ethos of white identity and racial division. 235 00:14:52,460 --> 00:14:56,780 The following day, Nick released a tweet to show that one of his speakers had 236 00:14:56,780 --> 00:15:00,000 been a sitting congressman, Arizona's Paul Gosar. 237 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Outside of its annual AFPAC get -together, Nick's movement exists 238 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,240 online community. 239 00:15:12,490 --> 00:15:16,450 sharing ideas via message boards, in -jokes, and live streams. 240 00:15:18,670 --> 00:15:22,750 They're storming the Capitol right now? Really? Dude, I'm at the Capitol. 241 00:15:23,850 --> 00:15:29,090 One of Nick's closest associates is a self -described internet troll named 242 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:31,730 Gionet, better known as Baked Alaska. 243 00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:34,090 Other side of the building! 244 00:15:34,330 --> 00:15:36,650 They breached the building! Other side! Everyone! 245 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:37,970 Patriots, let's go! 246 00:15:38,490 --> 00:15:39,790 Other side of the building! 247 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,620 Baked Alaska was at the U .S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, where he live 248 00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:47,560 -streamed himself from a congressional office. 249 00:15:53,180 --> 00:15:53,800 He 250 00:15:53,800 --> 00:16:05,220 specializes 251 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:07,160 in confrontational live -streams. 252 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,020 and was facing a case of assault using pepper spray. 253 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,500 I'd arranged to meet at his house on the outskirts of Phoenix, Arizona. 254 00:16:25,540 --> 00:16:29,740 Knowing of his fondness for provoking those he views as political enemies, I 255 00:16:29,740 --> 00:16:31,880 would be attempting to maintain my composure. 256 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:39,700 May I come in? Yes. 257 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,020 Hey, Steve. How are you doing? Good. How are you, Luke? Nice to see you. 258 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:51,600 How are you doing? Should I call you Baked or Tim or... You can call me 259 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,820 Baked is all right. How are you doing? Now, I've already caught that we're 260 00:16:54,820 --> 00:16:59,800 filmed. Yes. I thought that might happen, and it's kind of part of what 261 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,660 this interesting, right? Is it going out live? 262 00:17:02,020 --> 00:17:02,739 Uh, no. 263 00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:04,380 So is it just for your film? 264 00:17:04,619 --> 00:17:06,480 Yeah, well, we just don't trust journalists, dude. 265 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:08,079 Like... 266 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,960 Journalists have been my worst enemy. 267 00:17:11,339 --> 00:17:12,339 They suck. 268 00:17:12,339 --> 00:17:16,900 How am I supposed to trust the media when you have mainstream media literally 269 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:21,599 pushing out narratives that I'm a neo -Nazi? I'm not a Nazi, guys, of course. 270 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,460 Calling me a racist, neo -Nazi, et cetera. So how am I supposed to trust 271 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:29,080 media? Like, you seem like a cool guy. 272 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:31,240 You're still part of the mainstream media, though. 273 00:17:32,740 --> 00:17:35,420 You were at the Capitol insurrection, right? 274 00:17:36,170 --> 00:17:38,210 I wouldn't call it an insurrection. What would you call it? 275 00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:39,470 Capital riots. 276 00:17:39,670 --> 00:17:40,569 The riots? 277 00:17:40,570 --> 00:17:43,070 An insurrection would be something that people planned. 278 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:47,630 Hey, look, there were people there that did some dumb shit. I wasn't violent. 279 00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:49,470 I didn't vandalize anything. 280 00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:55,570 I am very right -wing, obviously, and I believe in America first, but I 281 00:17:55,570 --> 00:17:58,550 want nothing to do with any sort of violence. 282 00:17:59,130 --> 00:18:01,490 You do consider yourself very right -wing. 283 00:18:01,730 --> 00:18:02,730 Yes. 284 00:18:03,410 --> 00:18:04,410 That is fair. 285 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:07,060 Far right? 286 00:18:08,060 --> 00:18:11,380 I mean, I would say probably, yeah. 287 00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:16,600 Like, people will say far right as, like, a smear, and I used to be like, 288 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,600 no, no, I'm not far right. 289 00:18:18,060 --> 00:18:21,560 But, I mean, I just don't really care that much anymore. 290 00:18:24,060 --> 00:18:28,660 Bates had grown up a child of Christian missionaries in Alaska and pursued a 291 00:18:28,660 --> 00:18:31,140 career doing viral journalism in Los Angeles. 292 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,420 Later, he'd created memes... and performed social media stunts in support 293 00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:37,760 Trump and the far right. 294 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:43,900 Even your haters would describe you as a social media genius or a social media 295 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:46,060 innovator. Yeah, I agree. I think that's true. 296 00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:49,860 Oh, yeah. I mean, I worked for BuzzFeed as their social media strategist. 297 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:55,200 Which is a pretty liberal kind of more celebrity -focused outfit, right? Yeah, 298 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,100 very liberal. You were at Chantville. You were chanting, you will not replace 299 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:04,220 us. I believe white people should stand up for themselves, but I'm not like a 300 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:07,100 white supremacist or nationalist or anything like that. 301 00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:11,760 I don't only want to be around white people. I think I would like to be 302 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,400 majority of white people, similar to how our nation was founded. It was about 303 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,920 like 75%, 80%. I think that's fine because I want our country to stay 304 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,480 homogenous. But the ones who weren't white were in chains. 305 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,340 Well, I don't support slavery, so. 306 00:19:29,420 --> 00:19:32,440 This is a little living room where I watch America First. Why have we got 307 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,440 Fuentes up there? 308 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,220 That's my favorite show. I was watching it before you guys came in. For real? 309 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,640 Yeah. Nick is the most genius political mind I've ever come across. 310 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:42,920 In what way? 311 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:50,160 He just speaks exactly how it is from the heart, and he doesn't care if 312 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,800 something's going to be seen as politically incorrect or anything like 313 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:01,710 just... uh truly speak the truth he's only 22 and he's like i'm ready for him 314 00:20:01,710 --> 00:20:06,910 be president like i know i know 100 nick's gonna be president you can clip 315 00:20:06,910 --> 00:20:12,870 you know stephen how are we doing for your documentary are you getting what 316 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:19,850 need mainstream media is viewed as the enemy of course yeah you know, 317 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:23,350 type in Louis Theroux, and the first thing that comes up is, like, Louis 318 00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:25,210 is a neo -Nazi or, you know, whatever. 319 00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:28,010 It's not nice for that to come up as the first result. 320 00:20:28,290 --> 00:20:29,330 Did it say that on Wikipedia? 321 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:32,790 Yeah, look, here. Tim G. and A., more commonly known as Baked Alaska, is an 322 00:20:32,790 --> 00:20:36,750 American neo -Nazi, anti -Semitic conspiracy theorist. You've tweeted that 323 00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:37,750 control the media. 324 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:39,209 Yeah, I did that. 325 00:20:39,210 --> 00:20:42,790 You can see how that would be, um, anti -Semitic. 326 00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:48,510 I think anti -Semitic is sort of like... a made -up term, like I think Jewish 327 00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:50,110 people think they can't be criticized. 328 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:55,390 If you said white people suck, that's literally an acceptable phrase in 329 00:20:55,390 --> 00:20:56,850 society, in America, okay? 330 00:20:57,090 --> 00:21:02,390 If I said Jews suck, oh my gosh, oh, you're anti -Semitic. I don't think any 331 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:04,590 group of people should get a free pass. 332 00:21:04,790 --> 00:21:05,830 I disagree with that. 333 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,620 What do you disagree with? Well, the idea that the same rules should apply to 334 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:13,940 all races, like where historically white people have been in power. 335 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,400 You know, a lot of it is to do with how power fits. 336 00:21:16,780 --> 00:21:21,680 If you're doing comedy or people are getting roasted, I think you should be 337 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,000 to use any means necessary. 338 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,360 I mean, this is a great song. 339 00:21:27,340 --> 00:21:28,340 Have you seen this one? 340 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:31,820 One more time, oh, one more time. 341 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:39,020 I just wanna make fun of a liberal and I'll feel fine One more time, 342 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:45,620 one more time I didn't do nothing but I'll pay the crime Twitter 343 00:21:45,620 --> 00:21:51,680 is fucking gay Twitter is fucking gay 344 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:58,380 Twitter is fucking gay Twitter is 345 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:04,260 fucking gay Twitter is really gay Oh, yeah, it's fucking gay. Yeah. 346 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,280 I made this when I got banned from Twitter. 347 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,260 One more time. 348 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,100 I didn't do nothing, but I'll pay the crime. 349 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,080 I didn't do nothing, but I'll pay the crime. 350 00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:25,780 I don't think I had heard that one before. 351 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,440 Nice. I'm glad I got a... 352 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,100 Show that to you. Do you remember what it was that got you kicked off Twitter? 353 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:37,880 I mean, dude, these days you don't really have to say much. And I think I 354 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,100 something like, ban all Muslims from the US. 355 00:22:40,340 --> 00:22:43,300 And then... You wrote that on Twitter? Yeah. Why? 356 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,680 Because it was funny. 357 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,380 I don't support any immigration. 358 00:22:46,660 --> 00:22:49,360 You know, we can't have an unlimited amount of people here. But if you want 359 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,920 ban all immigration, why did you mention Muslims specifically? 360 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,340 It was responding to Trump's immigration ban because... 361 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,220 A lot of the Muslims are higher risk for, you know, terrorist attacks. 362 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:03,500 Some shit like that. 363 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:08,360 But that, you could see that was a kind of divisive and provocative statement. 364 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:09,740 Yeah, of course. 365 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,040 That's why I tweeted it. 366 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:21,780 It was a puzzling formula. 367 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,520 Playing at being racist while also being racist. 368 00:23:26,140 --> 00:23:28,580 and accusing critics of lacking a sense of humour. 369 00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:41,540 The master of this approach was, of course, Nick. 370 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,020 Since I'd last seen him, I'd dug further into his broadcasts. 371 00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:50,420 His agenda was white nationalist in all but name. 372 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:56,550 to replace us in our own country. You think they really like white people? 373 00:23:56,550 --> 00:23:59,770 really care about white people? They want to kill you. They want to see you 374 00:23:59,770 --> 00:24:03,130 dead. Putting white racial interest above all else. 375 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:09,370 Stop acting like black women. Black women are fucking obnoxious. And 376 00:24:09,370 --> 00:24:11,910 particular animosity towards Jewish people. 377 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:16,310 They will protect against hatred for everything except for Christianity, 378 00:24:16,510 --> 00:24:19,910 whiteness, and right -wing political views. 379 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,960 Everything else is protected. 380 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:25,900 If you're short, dumb, ugly, retarded, if you're in a wheelchair, if you're 381 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:30,320 black, if you're Muslim, Jewish, if you're Jewish, if you're a Zionist, if 382 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,100 you're Jewish, if you're in a wheelchair, if you're Jewish, it's all 383 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:42,020 Following on from our encounter in Florida, he'd arranged to meet in his 384 00:24:42,020 --> 00:24:43,120 hometown of Chicago. 385 00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:49,390 I was curious to find out how a disturbing figure like Nick with cutting 386 00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:52,570 to a large and growing audience of impressionable young men. 387 00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:59,430 In the past, a voice like yours would have had to come up through a TV network 388 00:24:59,430 --> 00:25:05,210 or some kind of news outlet, right? Right. But you built your voice and your 389 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:08,530 platform using social media, would that be correct? 390 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:13,630 So, I mean, I basically have a very intuitive sense, as all Generation Z do, 391 00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:16,430 social media, smartphones and the... 392 00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:20,590 information ecosystem you know the mechanics of it are are pretty 393 00:25:20,590 --> 00:25:25,690 straightforward you know i mean you create content you share it you hope 394 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:29,370 people notice it and that they'll uh you know that that's what social media is 395 00:25:29,370 --> 00:25:34,350 at that time then you were a youtuber in a sense i was i was a youtuber like 396 00:25:34,350 --> 00:25:41,250 pewdiepie yeah i am like you dropped out of college were your parents pushing 397 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:44,550 back at all thinking like what's nick doing he's just in the basement 398 00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:47,260 Recording, like, homemade videos. 399 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,640 Yeah, and they pushed me. They said, you know, what are you going to do? You've 400 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,460 got to get a job or go to school. You've got to have a plan. And I told them, 401 00:25:56,460 --> 00:26:00,940 why don't you just give me one year to explore this? And if it works out, then 402 00:26:00,940 --> 00:26:04,660 I'll keep doing it. And if it doesn't work out, then I'll abandon it and I'll 403 00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:06,140 get a job or I'll go back to school. 404 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,140 And it worked out. 405 00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:15,750 Nice day, boy. 406 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:19,210 Usually I would have the top down, get a little ice cream. 407 00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:21,810 See, I'm a simple guy. Am I a sick guy? 408 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:27,430 Did someone say you were a sick guy? Yeah, people, well, I mean, they imply 409 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:28,750 Hate monger. 410 00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:32,590 Yeah, I'm not a hate, I'm a love monger. I'm out here mongering love. 411 00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:43,540 In one of the pieces of footage I'd come across, Nick had talked about our 412 00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:45,900 meeting in Florida and his impression of me. 413 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,240 Alexander says, what's Louis Theroux like? Is he doing a documentary with 414 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:52,300 He is. 415 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,580 You know, he has the same problem that all journalists do. He's pretentious, 416 00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:58,240 know. Here's a little piece of advice. 417 00:26:59,420 --> 00:27:03,200 To be a good investigator, you got to be humble, okay? 418 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,100 We may talk about Jewish power and we may talk about black crime, but that 419 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:10,100 doesn't mean that, you know. 420 00:27:10,910 --> 00:27:14,590 I wake up every day animated by racial hatred. You know, I mean, that's just 421 00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:15,590 retarded, frankly. 422 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:20,730 And pretentious liberal journalists either are, you know, too arrogant to 423 00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:21,629 understand that. 424 00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:25,250 They think they know it all or whatever, or they don't even care. And they just 425 00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:27,130 have their own agenda. They've got their worldview. 426 00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:29,430 It was almost a little bit disappointing. 427 00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:31,410 It was almost a little bit disappointing. 428 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:34,810 It's your parents' place, am I right? Yes. 429 00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:36,210 Are your parents around? 430 00:27:36,730 --> 00:27:38,010 No, no, they're not around. 431 00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:42,040 Back at his parents' house where he lived, recording his dreams from the 432 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,880 basement, I decided to challenge him on his comments. 433 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,760 I saw the monologue you did about me. 434 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:51,860 Yeah, I did do a monologue about you. I just want you to know that I 435 00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:56,380 fundamentally disagree with what you promote and with what you stand for. But 436 00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:59,520 I'm here because I'm curious about you. Right. Does that make sense? 437 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,900 Totally. You disagree with what I stand for. I disagree with what you stand for. 438 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,060 But I tend to operate with people in good faith. I wonder if it's helpful 439 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:09,060 to... 440 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:14,000 Almost like put the cards on the table in a way, right? Because you've been 441 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,360 characterized as white nationalist, right? Repeatedly. Sometimes you come 442 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:23,300 to embracing the term and all through so much of your commentary is an idea of 443 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,960 like... white racial identity is being poured to your belief system. 444 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:32,100 I've not advocated on my show for a whites -only nation or for ethnic 445 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:37,400 or for this idea that non -whites cannot participate in American identity or 446 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,040 America. What you do think is that America should be majority white. 447 00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:43,260 Yes, yes. 448 00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:46,280 I saw a video of you. It looked like an undercover recording. 449 00:28:46,580 --> 00:28:50,280 It was. I know what you're talking about. Where you said, someone said, you 450 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,280 think... 451 00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:56,960 mixed race relationships are like bestiality. And your reply was, well, 452 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,360 both degenerate. Yeah. 453 00:28:59,290 --> 00:29:00,990 This was like four years ago. 454 00:29:01,230 --> 00:29:02,470 It was a private conversation. 455 00:29:02,830 --> 00:29:06,650 But, you know, I was playing devil's advocate about this idea that 456 00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:11,210 relationships are totally like the best idea. I happen to be very old school. 457 00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:12,350 I'm very traditional. 458 00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:16,110 It's not a value that I have that that's a good thing or even necessarily 459 00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:19,850 something that's appropriate. It's not a bigoted thing. It's not a white 460 00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:24,350 nationalist thing or a hateful thing, which is... You give people a lot of 461 00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:27,050 though. You were talking about gay people getting married. 462 00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:28,129 Uh -huh. 463 00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:30,910 And your line was like, I don't want them getting married. 464 00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:35,410 And other people say, I don't care what you do as long as you do it in your 465 00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:38,510 bedroom. Right. And you said, I don't even want you doing it in your bedroom. 466 00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:40,510 Yeah. I think it's gross what goes on there. 467 00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:41,990 And, no, 468 00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:45,870 I don't think they should be doing it. Some people, because conservatives. 469 00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:47,710 you were less careful on that one. That was interesting. 470 00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:50,430 What do you mean less careful? Well, there was no irony. 471 00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:54,830 There was less of a twinkle in your eye when you said that. Well, I mean, look. 472 00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:59,250 I make a lot of jokes online. I am ironic a lot of the time, but people can 473 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:03,290 discern my real views. I'm Catholic. The Catholic view is we want to live in a 474 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:07,490 decent, virtuous society where people are not doing immoral, gravely sinful 475 00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:13,730 things. You have expressed a degree of sympathy or even common cause with 476 00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:18,210 white nationalists. I don't understand the hang -up on, so why are you not a 477 00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:20,930 white nationalist? So aren't you a white nationalist? I mean, why are you so 478 00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:22,750 interested in that in particular? 479 00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:24,310 Categorizing me as that thing. 480 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,120 Because that's the most prohibited part of your beliefs. What makes you Nicholas 481 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,380 J. Fuentes, right, is the fact that there's a racial component. 482 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,520 Right, right. Even the right wing of the Trumpers, what makes you different from 483 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:47,280 them is that you talk about Jewish power, alleged Jewish power, and black 484 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,360 crime, and that you're talking about white, specifically white identity. 485 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,280 I want America to work. I believe in America. We've just got to stop 486 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,280 immigration. That's all. 487 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,840 Can we watch you doing your show? 488 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,040 Yes. 489 00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:06,060 Nick told me his streams, hosted on his own website, reach as many as 10 ,000 490 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:07,160 live viewers a night. 491 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:12,280 Good evening, everybody. You are watching America First. My name is 492 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,420 Fuentes. We have a great show for you tonight. Very excited to be back with 493 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:18,240 here tonight on Monday. 494 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:20,180 Seems like... 495 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,340 Though he is technically banned from most social media companies, clips from 496 00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:30,060 show often go viral and are seen by millions across different platforms. 497 00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:33,980 When you go out there and you say, I don't care about the browning of 498 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:37,980 and you say that there's going to be no consequences from that, that people are 499 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:39,500 interchangeable, well, you're lying. 500 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,880 He said he makes up to $4 ,000 per show from people who pay him to respond to 501 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,120 their messages and that the donations have made him a millionaire. 502 00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:51,330 Morton Trump says, can women even be funny, though? 503 00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:52,990 No, they can't be. 504 00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:57,750 And often when they're funny, they're unintentionally funny. The real question 505 00:31:57,750 --> 00:32:02,650 is, can women be intentionally funny? The answer is no. After nearly three 506 00:32:02,650 --> 00:32:06,670 of nonstop streaming, close to midnight, Nick wrapped things up. 507 00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:10,530 As always, I'm Nicholas J. Fuentes. Thank you for watching, and I'll see you 508 00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:13,250 tomorrow. Until then, have a great rest of your evening. 509 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,040 Okay. Whoa. 510 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:21,440 Did you enjoy that? 511 00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:24,880 Well, it's more enjoyable in the first hour. 512 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:28,620 Victor Lasker thinks you're going to be president one day. Oh, yeah? 513 00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:33,460 I don't know about that, but maybe. 514 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,800 You'd like to be. I would, I would. I'm not going to lie. 515 00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:41,120 Who wouldn't be? Who wouldn't want to? I wouldn't want to. No? 516 00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:53,440 Nick's political aims are supported by many in far -right circles. 517 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,420 The neo -Nazi Daily Stormer website has repeatedly endorsed his strategy of 518 00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:02,420 pushing a more PR -friendly brand of white nationalism. 519 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,120 But his main constituency has been online gamers, incels, and so -called 520 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,120 pros. 521 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,940 This guy's the fucking winner, dude. Like, this guy's the fucking winner. 522 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:19,160 going to do what it takes to win, you know. 523 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,400 One of those who lent early enthusiastic support in his homemade streaming show 524 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,860 was a gamer named Matt Evans, better known as Beards and Beardly. 525 00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:35,160 A friend and political ally of Nick, they discussed the need for a less off 526 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,820 -putting, more optical version of white nationalism in freewheeling online 527 00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:40,820 conversations. 528 00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:43,290 We're having a lot of success politically. 529 00:33:43,550 --> 00:33:47,530 The message is getting out. We're waking people up. People are talking about 530 00:33:47,530 --> 00:33:48,530 ending democracy. 531 00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:53,050 Now is not the time to be fucking around and to be caught off guard because we 532 00:33:53,050 --> 00:33:54,770 want to be nice. Well, you know what? 533 00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:58,670 Sabotaging the white race and sabotaging our movement isn't nice. 534 00:33:58,990 --> 00:34:00,910 I'd met him briefly at AFPAC. 535 00:34:01,150 --> 00:34:05,670 Since then, candid footage from an anonymous source had been posted online 536 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:08,350 showing him leaving the event in Nick's car. 537 00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:12,120 and delivering what looked very much like a Nazi salute. 538 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,620 Another grainy image suggested it might not be by mistake. 539 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,340 Beardson lives in a small town in western Kentucky. 540 00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:29,320 You got that off the internet? 541 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,100 Yeah. How much did they charge you for that? It was only like 12 bucks. 542 00:34:36,489 --> 00:34:41,690 i wasn't that committed 12 bucks i thought it'd be more than that no a 543 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:46,290 -shirt costs more than that oh you must take value off it having my face on it 544 00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:50,630 how you doing doing all right thank you for having us yeah no problem so like 545 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:54,090 why do you like why the hell do you want to talk to me well because you were a 546 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:59,880 pack and um you you they call you the general in the movement yeah they call 547 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,240 nick general one of his trusted lieutenants i don't know about that but 548 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:08,760 so weird talking to you with three faces of me staring back we're trying to get 549 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,340 a sense of the movement so -called dissident right whatever you want to 550 00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:17,810 that thing that you're a part of that used to be called white nationalism but 551 00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:19,750 guess that's not a term that's in favor anymore. 552 00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:22,790 No, I mean, I'm not a white nationalist or anything. 553 00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:24,590 You kind of have to say that, right? 554 00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:26,310 To be optical? 555 00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:28,690 No, I'm not even a political guy. 556 00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:30,350 Really? No, I'm a gamer, dude. 557 00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:31,790 I play video games. 558 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:34,530 Is that the line you're taking? 559 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:38,250 Because it is a political movement. Like, the Knicks outfit is explicitly 560 00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:41,070 political. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm just friends with the guy. 561 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:44,370 Are we all right to go in? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, thank you. 562 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:50,400 This is your new place? You just moved in? Literally just like three hours ago, 563 00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:51,420 picked up the keys to the place. 564 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,640 Oh, okay. 565 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:54,380 How would you characterize what you do? 566 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,420 Comedian. Kind of a troll, could we say? 567 00:35:57,740 --> 00:35:58,740 Yeah. 568 00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:04,160 I mean, as far as like, I don't know, my vague political beliefs or whatever, I 569 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:10,160 mean, I'm a punk rock kid, you know? I look at whatever is anti -authoritarian. 570 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,280 I've always been a guy that goes against the grain, you know, making... 571 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,900 edgy jokes on the internet is punk rock you know what i mean but we're not gonna 572 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:22,520 be silly about it and pretend that there's no racial dimension to what 573 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,100 involved in well yeah i mean of course like you have to i mean you have to be 574 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,680 honest about it and have a conversation about it but it's not some like racial 575 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,900 hatred you know but that's the way it always comes across right anytime you 576 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,880 bring up the idea of race or you talk about racial division in this country 577 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,780 obviously it must mean that you hate all the other races that's the way that 578 00:36:40,780 --> 00:36:42,700 it's perceived every single time and it's not true 579 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,260 So how was AFPAC? It was fun. 580 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,740 Speeches were cool, I guess. Can I get something out of the way? Yeah, go 581 00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:49,940 Okay. 582 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,960 So on the day, on the last day I was there, you were leaving with Nick in a 583 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,800 Yeah. And you did a Nazi salute. 584 00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:57,420 Oh, I didn't mean to. 585 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,600 I was just trying to wave. 586 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,140 But it was quite clearly a Nazi salute. It wasn't a Nazi salute. 587 00:37:02,380 --> 00:37:03,380 Can we look at it? 588 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,980 Look, it was an accident if it was. I was just trying to do one of those. Have 589 00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:11,560 you seen it? Yeah, it looks kind of bad. I'll be honest with you, it did look 590 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,080 bad. Dude, I'm not a Nazi, man. 591 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,320 If this is what it's going to be, I'm not going to... No, but we've got to... 592 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,860 mean, I would look like a chump if I didn't bring it up, right? 593 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,380 Wouldn't I? I think you look like a chump bringing it up. 594 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:24,680 Do you really think I'm a Nazi? 595 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:29,100 See, look, right there. See how I'm going like that? Like a military salute. 596 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:30,840 That one, but you did it twice. 597 00:37:31,780 --> 00:37:36,300 You're at an event whose entire kind of raison d 'etre really is to say, hey, 598 00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:37,019 you know what? 599 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:38,040 We're not the alt -right. 600 00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:40,920 We don't want anything to do with those guys. Yeah. 601 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:47,180 We don't want swastikas. We don't want any of that Hitler esoteric. Right. 602 00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:49,380 You know, in a sense, you had one job. 603 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,040 Right. And you failed. 604 00:37:52,990 --> 00:37:55,390 Because you did a two nazi salute. 605 00:37:55,610 --> 00:37:56,830 I did not do a nazi salute. 606 00:37:57,050 --> 00:38:01,130 Well, it looked like you know that word optic Yeah, that term of like, oh, yeah, 607 00:38:01,170 --> 00:38:04,510 i'm very familiar with the term. Yeah, you know what else i'm familiar with is 608 00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:10,590 the term bad journalism You should get the fuck out of my house. I'm not in 609 00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:13,150 house Yeah, well you can leave because I don't want this interview done. 610 00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:15,050 Can we de -escalate please? 611 00:38:15,310 --> 00:38:19,070 No Are you going to sit there and say I'm doing a Nazi salute? 612 00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:22,390 I asked you if you were. It was quite evident you looked like one. 613 00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:23,630 Get the fuck out of my house. 614 00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:24,690 Are you kidding me? 615 00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:26,770 When did you lose your sense of humor? 616 00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:28,850 When did you lose your sense of integrity? 617 00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:31,348 That's it? 618 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:32,350 Yeah, that's it. 619 00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:36,130 Yeah, you too. Bye -bye. 620 00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:44,750 How about you go back to the UK and sit on a fucking dick and spin? How about 621 00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:45,750 that? 622 00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:53,450 Ejected by a surprisingly thin -skinned troll, what was most striking was that 623 00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:58,250 someone who gave Nazi salutes was also offended by being asked about them. 624 00:38:58,890 --> 00:39:00,490 But we weren't finished yet. 625 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:08,130 What's going on, my dudes? 626 00:39:09,850 --> 00:39:13,410 Beardson was about to hit back on his one -man streaming channel. 627 00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:18,450 I wanted to go live to talk about my latest experience that I just had. 628 00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:19,930 Literally just had it just a second ago. 629 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:24,370 And if you're watching this, Louis, which I'm sure you probably are, yeah, 630 00:39:24,370 --> 00:39:25,370 fuck yourself. 631 00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:26,850 You're a disingenuous hag. 632 00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:32,230 Oh, hey, I'm getting a phone call right now. I'm getting a phone call. 633 00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:35,450 Hello? Hey, I'm watching you. 634 00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:38,190 Yeah, are you? We were about to have a conversation. 635 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,060 I asked you a straightforward question. 636 00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:43,940 Like, how did you expect that that would not come up? 637 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:49,240 Because it wasn't, because you're the only person that has ever once said that 638 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:50,240 to me about that. 639 00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:53,040 I'm not dealing with this. I'm not dealing with your pretentiousness, and 640 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,000 not dealing with your slander, okay? You can either listen to what I have to 641 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,400 say, or you can go fuck yourself. 642 00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:01,420 Well, I understand you're annoyed now. 643 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:05,600 Why don't you explain to me what your views are? 644 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:10,300 Why don't you explain to me how you're a total fucking scumbag? How about that? 645 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,900 I'm not dumb. I'm not an idiot, Louis. You're not goading a fucking interview 646 00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,400 out of me. You are a piece of shit, and I don't like you. 647 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:22,360 Listen, you're involved in a movement that's been characterized by its enemies 648 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,960 as white nationalists. Here, Louis, go fuck yourself. I have nothing left to 649 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,580 to you. Eat shit. Bye -bye. 650 00:40:58,270 --> 00:41:01,910 Beardson's machismo seemed symptomatic of America First. 651 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,300 and the far -right male persona generally. 652 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:13,840 Given the pervasive misogyny of the movement, I was curious to meet a woman 653 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,480 any way connected with America First. 654 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,780 Hello, Nick Fuentes. This is Dr. 655 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,560 Milfy. How are you doing today? 656 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,840 I'm doing all right. How are you doing? 657 00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:28,420 Brittany Venti is a sometime friend of Nick Fuentes and Beards and Beardly. 658 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:38,030 She too was raised on the internet, gravitating to the darker areas of the 659 00:41:39,390 --> 00:41:41,990 She'd also been at Charlottesville with Baked Alaska. 660 00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:55,230 In her online videos, she plays the role of a gamer 661 00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:58,350 girl who trolls her mainly male audience for donations. 662 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,440 It's not my fault that I deserve money more than you. It's not my fault that 663 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,120 someone likes me more than you. Lately, Brittany had fallen out with Nick 664 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,160 Puentes and his team. She said due to some jokes she'd made about them online. 665 00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:15,280 That's fine. I'm okay with being hated. I'm always hated. It makes no difference 666 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,200 to me. What do I have to lose by telling the truth? 667 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,260 I'd arranged to see her at her home in New York. 668 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:32,970 Hello, I'm Louie. How do you do? I'm good. 669 00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:34,190 May I come in? 670 00:42:36,970 --> 00:42:38,970 So this is where you do your work? 671 00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:43,930 Yes. And you've got a pink purple MAGA hat up there. Are you a Trump fan? 672 00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:45,870 I like the fact that he trolls. 673 00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:49,570 That's my favorite part about him. He lower taxes and he's kind of like 674 00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:51,210 provocative. 675 00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:54,890 Kind of like how my style is. It reminds me of that. 676 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,720 You don't mind getting a pink mug, do you? 677 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,940 I like a pink mug. 678 00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:03,520 That's very progressive. 679 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:08,400 I was curious how Brittany had got involved in the far right in the first 680 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,180 and where she stood with it now. 681 00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:17,000 You were at Charlottesville, right, when they were chanting, you will not 682 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,920 replace us and Jews will not replace us. 683 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:24,340 I didn't even know fully the details about Charlottesville. I was told a few 684 00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:27,750 days ahead of time by a friend, like... You need to go to this event. You need 685 00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:30,590 to go to this event. But what about the message and the whole Jews will not 686 00:43:30,590 --> 00:43:31,730 replace the chant? 687 00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:36,050 I assume that they were just joking, like saying it like tongue in cheek. 688 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:40,010 Because one person said it and then some people started saying it. 689 00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:44,230 So that's why I say maybe some people are joking about it. I don't know. 690 00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:45,550 They weren't joking. 691 00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:51,670 I mean, people say stuff that's like anti -Semitic, but it's like tongue in 692 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:52,549 cheek sometimes. 693 00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:54,470 So like I said, the line of irony. 694 00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:57,130 sometimes gets a little bit blurry. 695 00:43:57,550 --> 00:44:01,310 I think you should be able to joke about most things so long as it's not like 696 00:44:01,310 --> 00:44:02,430 threatening to harm someone. 697 00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:05,450 You were online very early, right? 698 00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:11,250 Yeah. I didn't have any friends, and that's why I turned to the Internet for 699 00:44:11,250 --> 00:44:16,250 friendship. Was there some sense in which you were, like, finding your 700 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:18,810 online? Oh, definitely, for sure. 701 00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:23,270 I thought it was so funny. It was just so wild back then, like the Wild West. 702 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,580 From being inside the movement somewhat, right? Which we could say you were, 703 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,380 right? Yeah, I've been able to observe a lot of it. What's your take on what 704 00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:38,060 America First is about and what Nick Fuentes is about? 705 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,800 Back in the day, I definitely thought more of it was joking than not. But then 706 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,560 it became not a joke. 707 00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:50,520 Like, for example, when they say, like, don't race, Nick, and you have to be 708 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,520 like... 709 00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:58,890 none at all like that type of thing or when it's like about how all 710 00:44:58,890 --> 00:45:01,990 women are whores it's like no that's actually not tongue -in -cheek like 711 00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:08,470 initially thought because I thought like oh well like I'm not the modern woman I 712 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:13,770 definitely want a husband and I'm conservative like there should be no 713 00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:19,110 they have a problem with me but no it didn't matter not good enough so I 714 00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:21,170 realized that when I saw like how 715 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:24,000 How horrible they were to me. 716 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,020 And by horrible you mean? 717 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:32,640 Insulting, harassing, try to report you, get your stuff taken down. 718 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,420 I think the worst thing I've seen is the bits and things. Have you seen that? 719 00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:39,440 Yeah, I did see it once. 720 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,580 So would you be comfortable showing it to me? 721 00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:43,500 Don't feel any pressure to do it? 722 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,040 Yeah, I mean... You sure? Yeah. 723 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,800 In person. And I'm married. I'm going to fucking put my dick in your fucking 724 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,720 asshole. I'm going to remove your pants. I'm going to remove my pants. I'm going 725 00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,640 to stick my dick in your ass. I'm going to rape you. Because you're such a dumb 726 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,640 fucking bitch. 727 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:05,620 That you do not understand. 728 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,180 You have involved yourself into a community that you do not understand. 729 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,080 And for that, you're going to get anally raped. 730 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,920 Okay. 731 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:33,960 I mean, I guess that there's a sense of humor with the obscenity of it, like, 732 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,820 but it doesn't make it okay to say that because it's still, like, extremely 733 00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:46,780 inappropriate and disrespectful. I feel like disrespectful is too nice of a 734 00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:47,780 word. 735 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,000 I just think it's because his buddies didn't like me, so it's like, oh, you 736 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,120 can't like Brittany Venti, so gotta turn. 737 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,860 I think that's what it is. 738 00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:59,510 because, like I said, they have a problem with women no matter what flavor 739 00:46:59,510 --> 00:47:00,510 woman you are. 740 00:47:04,690 --> 00:47:08,890 The attacks on Brittany by her former friends seem to have opened her eyes to 741 00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:11,170 the misogyny of the movement she'd been part of. 742 00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:16,190 But it was striking that she still made light of the hatefulness of the anti 743 00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:18,110 -Semitic chanting at Charlottesville. 744 00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:29,500 Experts increasingly view the greatest terrorist threat in the US as coming 745 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:33,000 the far right and highlight the global reach of the message. 746 00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:39,560 It was after a 2019 attack in Christchurch, New Zealand in which 51 747 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,860 killed by a terrorist steeped in the culture of the internet that Faked 748 00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:45,800 had released a surprising video. 749 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,540 was radicalized by the alt -right and became a right -wing extremist. 750 00:47:59,540 --> 00:48:04,800 he does is the 101 playbook for right -wing extremists, and I know because 751 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,380 hung around these guys in the past. 752 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,800 We need to start educating people the difference between Internet culture and 753 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,000 reality before things go way out of hand like they did in New Zealand. 754 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,200 But within months... he'd reverted back to his far -right positions, embracing a 755 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,420 full -time career as a live -streaming internet troll. 756 00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:29,780 Increasingly, I'd wondered about the danger of internet hate translating into 757 00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:30,820 real -world harm. 758 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,820 With that in mind, I'd arranged to meet him in Tampa, Florida, where he was 759 00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:39,780 streaming. I was hoping to understand the dark seduction of the online 760 00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:44,480 community, knowing it would involve another dose of highly upsetting 761 00:48:48,689 --> 00:48:51,710 Guys, we're going to have some fun later tonight. 762 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:53,630 Don't miss it. 763 00:48:54,610 --> 00:48:55,610 Louie, are you in the chat? 764 00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:57,530 Louie! 765 00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:58,930 Louie! 766 00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:06,430 Nice to see you. How's it going? 767 00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:07,710 Good. 768 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:09,230 We're live here, guys. Say hello. 769 00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:10,510 Louie Thoreau. 770 00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:13,490 I told him we had a special guest today. And that was me? 771 00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:14,710 That was you, yeah. 772 00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:20,940 With Baked were two other lower -profile far -right streamers, one going by 773 00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:23,920 Lolv, another Woozer. How's it going? 774 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,980 Nick and Baked's documentary maker friend Stephen Martinez was also along 775 00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:29,879 the ride. 776 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,960 OK. You've been streaming for three hours? Yeah. And you've got 331 people 777 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,120 watching live? 778 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,380 Yeah. And it's on YouTube. 779 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,200 Yes, on YouTube. I thought you'd been deplatformed from YouTube. 780 00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:45,380 Yeah, I have. So how are you doing it? I just make new channels all the time. 781 00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:47,180 Wow! 782 00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:49,320 Doomer Squidward sent $100 yoga. 783 00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:50,439 Let's go! 784 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,440 Thank you so much! 785 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:52,578 07's in chat. 786 00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:53,980 Doomer Squidward, thank you, homie. 787 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,460 Fake streams are how he makes his income. 788 00:49:56,780 --> 00:49:59,000 They involve him provoking passers -by. 789 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,660 Step back. Get the fuck out of here. This is my production, not yours. 790 00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:07,120 spurred on by viewers who donate money to play racist or otherwise provocative 791 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,420 music and messages on a speaker around his neck. 792 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,980 Is this one of those German military marching songs with Nazi 793 00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:18,980 connotations? 794 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:22,960 I don't know if it has Nazi connotations. 795 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,140 It's just a nice German song, you know. I had the uncomfortable feeling my 796 00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:29,880 presence was making him more money. 797 00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:33,150 So I decided to keep in the background as much as possible. 798 00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:34,990 Hey, we got some Cubans out here. 799 00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:37,690 Mexico, USA, baby. 800 00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:40,590 Yeah. Trump, Trump 2024. 801 00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:43,530 Yeah. Let's vote for Trump. 802 00:50:44,050 --> 00:50:45,250 What was racist? 803 00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:50,770 Calling us Cubans. I asked, I asked. I asked, I said, are you Cuban? Hey, I 804 00:50:50,770 --> 00:50:55,250 swear, they're donating a bad song right now. Saying the N -word. 805 00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:59,670 Much of the content played on Baked Speaker was the most offensive racial 806 00:50:59,670 --> 00:51:03,310 language. Please chill out with that. Please chill out with that. 807 00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:09,010 They seem to enjoy playing best risk gay and then sometimes outright racist 808 00:51:09,010 --> 00:51:10,650 material. Is that fair? 809 00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:12,030 Yeah. What's that about? 810 00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:14,170 It's comedy. It's edgy humor. 811 00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:17,550 They play whatever they can to make us uncomfortable. 812 00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:21,910 It's not a cross -section of the broader society, is it? It's almost like a self 813 00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:23,270 -selected community of... 814 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,420 hard right trolls not everyone is right wing though it's not really but more 815 00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:33,700 than half of it has been extreme racial abuse or extreme racial content 816 00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:38,020 anonymous than three dollars louis basically we just hate to get the new 817 00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:43,680 it's not so much a right wing left wing thing it's like a human versus subhuman 818 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,840 thing you know oh man um okay 819 00:51:50,580 --> 00:51:54,300 The fact that it's so horrible, like what's coming in, does that ever make 820 00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:56,860 think maybe you're doing something wrong? 821 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:03,360 No, not really, because we live in a world where you can't hear any of this 822 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,560 language. It's all extremely censored. 823 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,280 It's all, you know, so taboo and so forbidden that to me, you know, some of 824 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,080 stuff I don't like to hear. But for the most part, a lot of it's refreshing. 825 00:52:24,110 --> 00:52:27,610 As the evening wore on, Bates did more stunts with strangers. 826 00:52:28,070 --> 00:52:33,870 His dream, a queasy mix of playfulness, accompanied 827 00:52:33,870 --> 00:52:38,530 by racist messages paid for by donors on his speaker. 828 00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:49,670 It seemed, in a way, a distillation 829 00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:51,470 of the far -right internet impulse. 830 00:52:52,050 --> 00:52:57,090 Shock and offence, driven by the whims of anonymous trolls and an influencer 831 00:52:57,090 --> 00:52:58,350 looking for clicks. 832 00:52:59,290 --> 00:53:00,310 You don't know me. 833 00:53:00,550 --> 00:53:02,390 You guys are fucking retards. He knows. 834 00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:05,310 You're not the arbiter of truth here, bitch, okay? 835 00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:11,050 As we headed to a final location, Baked talked unguardedly about me. 836 00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:16,050 You know, they manipulate and act like they're interested in me as a streamer, 837 00:53:16,110 --> 00:53:19,750 but whenever I show them good streams, they're like, they just want to talk 838 00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:20,750 about, like... 839 00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:25,830 They want to talk about all their buzz topics to, like, make us look bad. 840 00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:30,410 In the early hours of the morning, I'd seen more than enough. 841 00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:36,350 I decided to challenge Baked about the potentially lethal consequences of his 842 00:53:36,350 --> 00:53:39,970 far -right beliefs by using his own words against him. 843 00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:42,670 OK, let's finish this. OK. Yes. 844 00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:48,330 In 2019, you said you'd recently left the alt -right and regretted ever 845 00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:50,070 contributing anything to that culture. 846 00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:53,310 Mm -hmm. You said I was just... So what does this have to do with live 847 00:53:53,310 --> 00:53:55,570 streaming? You said I was just... I thought you were interested in live 848 00:53:55,570 --> 00:53:56,269 streaming. I am. 849 00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:59,610 No, you're just interested in your bullshit little agenda. No, this is a 850 00:53:59,610 --> 00:54:02,730 from you. I was just a normal guy who liked memes and I got radicalized. 851 00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:05,970 No, that's bullshit. And then you said about your alt -right career... No, no, 852 00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:08,070 no, no. ...it had been a pretty big disaster, to be honest. 853 00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:09,430 No, no, no, no, no. 854 00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:15,190 Your point was that in the aftermath of 51 people being killed, Muslim people at 855 00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:16,330 prayer in their... 856 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,920 I don't think it's good. I don't support violence. Yeah, Louis. 857 00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:22,820 Can I make the bigger point, though, which is that many people would see the 858 00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:29,520 language of racial division as contributing to a climate where 859 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,700 violent acts flourish, right? 860 00:54:34,279 --> 00:54:39,260 No, here you go with the manipulating again. Here you go with the manipulating 861 00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:43,720 again. No, no, you say, oh, it's not a hit piece, I want to know about 862 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:45,320 streaming. You don't give a fuck about streaming. 863 00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:46,940 No, it's not. 864 00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:48,420 No, you said it's not. 865 00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:53,660 You went straight to trying to call, label me in America first as white 866 00:54:53,660 --> 00:54:55,960 nationalist, light, and all this dumb shit. 867 00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:59,240 And it's just like, everyone can see through your fucking gay agenda. 868 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,120 No, you're a piece of shit, dude. I gave you a chance. 869 00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:04,190 You're anti -Christian. 870 00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:08,310 You're anti -white. You're a fucking punk. You're a lying piece of shit. 871 00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:09,710 And that's all you do. 872 00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:13,110 I tried to give you a chance to be real and genuine, but you're not a real human 873 00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:16,730 being. No, you're not capable of that, Louie. Why don't you apologize for your 874 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:20,470 fucking ancestors from thousands of years ago? Because you're white, Louie. 875 00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:21,690 Aren't you? Aren't you white? 876 00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:27,530 Yeah. Oh, so why don't you apologize for who you are? Because you're a disgrace. 877 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,980 Why am I a disgrace? 878 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:31,198 Because you're white. 879 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,200 Apparently, we should be guilty. We should feel terrible for being white, 880 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,060 We can't have a majority of white people because we'd have a great country with 881 00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:40,759 low crime. 882 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:41,760 God forbid that. 883 00:55:42,460 --> 00:55:46,840 Why don't you just, um, isn't it all, like, isn't it basically white 884 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,380 nationalism? Oh, wow, there we go. There it comes out. 885 00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:53,200 That's not offensive to you, is it? 886 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,380 You're a liar, I mean... You are a white nationalist. No, I'm not. I think 887 00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:00,420 everyone should be able to stand up for their culture, absolutely. That's my 888 00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:05,180 point. So you think it's got a negative connotation, but in a descriptive sense, 889 00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:05,939 it's accurate. 890 00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:09,540 You promote white racial loyalty and a white racial consciousness. White racial 891 00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:10,540 consciousness, yeah. 892 00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:13,380 Absolutely. It's semantics in the end. 893 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,530 So what do you think of Baked Alaska now that you've hung out with me for a 894 00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:19,308 couple of days? 895 00:56:19,310 --> 00:56:24,130 I think you're obviously a talented broadcaster and streamer. And I also 896 00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:27,510 that parts of what you do, I find deeply poisonous. Right. 897 00:56:27,850 --> 00:56:32,610 And I think that it's anti -Semitic and it's racist. And that's what I think. 898 00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:34,250 All right. I think we're good. 899 00:56:34,550 --> 00:56:36,430 Yeah. I'm not a white nationalist. I got it. 900 00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:38,310 You got to get that out of your head. 901 00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:40,490 Stop believing the lies. 902 00:56:44,330 --> 00:56:48,050 Bates' political self -labelling was, in the end, immaterial. 903 00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:54,970 His record of racist, homophobic and misogynistic views spoke for itself in 904 00:56:54,970 --> 00:57:01,410 vast digital catalogue of the Internet, elevating the interests of white racial 905 00:57:01,410 --> 00:57:07,570 identity above all else in America and viewing it exclusively as under threat. 906 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,580 consider what's happening right now in America as anything other than a 907 00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:20,320 being perpetrated against the white man. And if you're one of those people that 908 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,220 says that being pro -white is racist, is white supremacist, white nationalist, 909 00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:28,100 guess what? You're on the side of white genocide. 910 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,780 In a world where everyone can have their own platform, it may have been 911 00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:38,000 inevitable that the voices of the political fringe would be more amplified 912 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,480 would influence more people. 913 00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:44,210 Twenty years ago, Nick Fuentes would have been an almost invisible figure. 914 00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:51,590 Now, thanks to the 915 00:57:51,590 --> 00:57:55,450 internet, his message reaches young people in homes around the world. 916 00:57:57,290 --> 00:58:03,670 His avowed aim to undermine democracy and advance the power of white men, 917 00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:07,210 irony to mask an ambition that is deadly serious. 918 00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:14,620 There is nothing that can stop an idea whose time has come. And America first, 919 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,900 the time has come now.